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There's been a murder.
I wouldn't have rung normally,
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but this one's unusual.
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Fun and games in here. Ray Collins,
arrested two and a half years ago
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on suspicion of sexual assault
of children under 13.
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I struggled to cope
with the guilt of what he did.
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It's a scar that never fades.
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We're dealing with two accused
yet unconvicted paedophiles,
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both attacked
with unusual brutality.
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This could just be the start.
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She's my daughter,
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and we will all be scarred by this
for the rest of our lives.
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She used the same words.
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Mr Regis, it is my responsibility
to inform you, you are free to go.
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Revenge diminishes us.
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When you decide you have the right
to enact your own punishment,
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where does it lead?
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Hi.
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Sorry, man.
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Did I wake you up?
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No, no. No, you're good.
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I made some coffee.
You want some?
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Er... Sure.
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Do you want some milk?
Some sugar?
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No, thanks.
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So, how're you getting on with Hal?
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Erm...
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Harry.
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Great, man.
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He's a really good boy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's great.
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They can be hard work, though,
sometimes, can't they, kids?
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Yeah.
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He comes to stay here quite a bit,
to give his mum break,
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and, I mean,
he can be a right little sod.
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The amount of times
that I have nearly...
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You know?
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But that's the deal, isn't it?
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As a parent, or uncle, or anyone,
really, who's in charge of kids.
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You've gotta be better than that.
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Yeah.
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So there's no obvious connection
in the three cases at the CPS,
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and the lawyers handling the
Statham, Collins and Dawlish cases
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were all different. And?
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And Statham
was attacked in early 2015.
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Why would the assailant then wait
over two years
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before attacking two more
in as many days? I don't know.
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I just...
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I just think it's significant
that all three were attacked in ways
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that inflicted fairly uniquely
appalling violence.
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I'm saying why does it necessarily
have to be one person
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rather than one idea
done by several people?
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You got any theories who?
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Yeah. I think we have to keep
looking at family connections.
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Friends of friends, maybe
an organised group of vigilantes.
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Absolutely. I'm just...
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saying, I see a very
distinct rage here.
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See one or recognise one?
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Sorry, that just...
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Sorry.
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If I'm right, we have a man in jail
in Nico Kashell
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who can tell us who owns that rage.
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Right, I have to go visit
my old governor.
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I've got to be there
at three o'clock.
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In the meantime, can you get me
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or can someone get me
Kashell's home address, please?
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Yeah. Do you want me to set up
an interview with his wife?
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No. Just the address for now.
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I could never have done such
horrible things to anyone, Lisa.
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Let alone a child!
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Which is why the case is collapsing,
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because I've been
the victim of an injustice.
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And all I'm asking now is if we
could just put the last six months
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behind us and get on with
the rest of our lives!
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You know what surprises me
more than anything, Mark?
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More than you being out, even?
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It's you thinking
I would ever want to spend
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a moment more with you
than these few minutes now.
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I sat in court.
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I heard the charges.
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I wept for that poor child
and her family.
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I wished you could
go to prison for life.
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I'm so ashamed of ever having had
any feelings for you.
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And I want you to leave, now.
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I only wanted a place to kip,
anyway.
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I'll see you around, Lisa.
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I promise you that.
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Bitch!
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Hello, William.
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All right, boss?
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Hey!
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Yeah, yeah. Good to see you.
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All right. Don't overdo it.
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In you go. Thank you.
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Sorry about the, er... mess.
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I was never one
for the old domesticity.
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Sandra used to do all that.
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Yeah. Sorry to hear about that.
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Yeah, well...
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They all piss off in the end,
don't they?
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Can hardly blame them, really,
can we?
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Coffee?
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Er, no.
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Tea? No, I'm fine, honestly.
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Little sharpener.
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I have to be back in town at five,
so...
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How are you?
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Yeah, I'm-I'm good.
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Two years clear now,
so fingers crossed.
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It's great to hear that.
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Sit.
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So... fire away.
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You wanted to hear about
the Statham case.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I just want to see
if there's a link
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between that and two new cases.
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One GBH, one murder,
both known convicted paedophiles.
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A link?
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Yeah.
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What, you mean...
It can't be the perpetrator.
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Statham's man's doing
an eight-stretch, isn't he?
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Nico Kashell, yeah.
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Actually, if we can...
if we can come back to him.
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First, I just want to ask you,
why do you think the CPS
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didn't prosecute Statham
for the sexual assault?
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Well, the evidence wasn't brilliant.
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Why waste time trying to convict
a 30-70 case
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when you can convict half a dozen
80-20 cases for the same money?
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OK.
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And in terms of Kashell...
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do you think it was definitely him
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who attacked Statham?
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He confessed, Will.
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Yeah, but, you know,
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people confess for all sorts of
reasons, don't they?
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It's not always cos they did it.
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His car was photographed
half a mile from Statham's house
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an hour before the attack.
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We found carpet fibres
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similar to the carpet
found in Statham's house
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inside Kashell's car.
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On the passenger side.
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I'm not saying that he wasn't
involved in some way.
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I just...
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I don't buy him
being the actual assailant.
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His little girl
had been raped by this man.
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He destroyed their lives.
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And the rage?
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Well, the rage he felt
when they dropped the charges -
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the rage we all felt...
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I believe 100% he could have done
what he did.
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Give it up, fella.
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Cos the shape,
the order you're looking for...
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doesn't exist.
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The world is random...
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chaotic...
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and cruel.
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And you know that better than most.
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'Guv, it's Josie.
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'I've just texted you
the Kashell home address,
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'but his wife's not back until six.'
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'Let me know if you want me
to set up an interview.'
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If Kashell's wife had known I was
coming, she could have wiped it.
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Wiped what? You don't even know
there's anything on it.
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If I'm right, and Kashell
is doing someone else's time,
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then his wife must have known.
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My guess is she would
have been in on it,
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so emails, address books, contacts
are a good place to start.
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Except anything you find
you won't be able to use
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cos you got the information
illegally.
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Josie, there are going to be more
deaths unless we catch the killer,
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so does that really matter?
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Yes.
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Fine. I'll do it myself.
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OK, fine. I'll do it.
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I need to speak to the brief
from the CPS
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who handled the Statham case.
Can you set up a meeting?
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Yeah.
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So I went through all her contacts,
and not surprisingly,
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there was no number listed under
Debbie Collins or Gail Watkins.
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I went back and tried
the initials DC and GW,
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and that's when I found
a number for a Derek Collier.
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Did you ring it? And?
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Debbie Collins answered.
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Yes!
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Ha!
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Was there any Gail Watkins
connection?
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Not that I've found yet.
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So you think it was actually them
together, or...?
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We'll have to run down
both their alibis,
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but it seems unlikely, doesn't it?
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I mean,
they're both small women physically.
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I doubt even together they could
have overpowered any of those men.
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It's not impossible, I guess.
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Maybe they paid someone.
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Maybe, but maybe
they didn't want money.
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Maybe a sense of justice done
was enough.
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Justice done for who?
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For the families, yeah, but why
would someone else do that for them,
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commit such brutal assaults?
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Cos they could.
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Cos they were unhinged.
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Cos they understood that pain.
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'It had nothing to do with
a lack of evidence.'
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If we think any case stands
half a decent chance of success,
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particularly one as serious
as Statham's, we take it to trial,
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and in this instance,
we authorised charges.
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So why didn't it go?
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This is all in the files.
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It was the parents.
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They withdrew their cooperation.
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What do you mean?
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Sorry - they withdrew
their cooperation?
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Yes, they didn't want
their daughter to testify
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or to be examined by counsel.
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Despite all the special measures
we put in place,
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they thought it
would be too traumatic for her.
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Might have still
secured a conviction
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but it would have made it
extraordinarily difficult.
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OK. OK. I need to talk to you
about couple of other cases.
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No, I'm sorry,
I've got to go to a conference.
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Or you could just come down
the station.
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Which cases?
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So, the parents in the Collins,
Dawlish and Statham cases
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all caused them to collapse
themselves by withdrawing
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the cooperation of their children
from the police and the CPS
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within the same three-month period.
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And why would anyone do that?
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Exactly.
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It's completely counterintuitive,
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unless... you come at it from a
different angle and ask yourselves
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if maybe they wanted to keep
the suspects out of prison.
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Shit!
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They thought prison was a let-off.
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Exactly.
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I think this group of parents
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collectively decided on
a far worse punishment
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for their children's abuser.
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And how did they justify their
sudden non-cooperation to the CPS?
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They just...
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They just said it
would be to traumatic for the kids.
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We need to speak to Debbie Collins
again.
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Yes, and we need to get a warrant
for Nico Kashell's house.
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It's time to pay his wife a visit.
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So am I under arrest?
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No.
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Greta, you're not under arrest.
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But I am gonna ask you
some questions
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and I do have to caution you
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and tell you that you don't have
to say anything,
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but it may harm your defence
if you do not mention
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when questioned something
you later rely on in court,
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and anything you do say may be
used in evidence, OK?
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Yes.
256
00:16:39,851 --> 00:16:40,853
OK.
257
00:16:41,855 --> 00:16:44,859
Why would you disguise Debbie's name
258
00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:47,864
unless you didn't want people to
know that you were connected to her?
259
00:16:47,865 --> 00:16:49,868
I don't know.
260
00:16:49,869 --> 00:16:53,875
Maybe I was worried
when her husband got attacked.
261
00:16:53,876 --> 00:16:55,878
Worried that we might think
you were involved?
262
00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,561
Maybe. Are you?
263
00:16:57,562 --> 00:16:58,885
No.
264
00:17:00,888 --> 00:17:02,251
So when did you last speak to her?
265
00:17:03,894 --> 00:17:06,898
Er... I don't know,
maybe a year ago?
266
00:17:06,899 --> 00:17:08,902
And how did you know her?
267
00:17:08,903 --> 00:17:12,909
There was a group I went to
for families
268
00:17:12,910 --> 00:17:15,914
who'd been affected by abuse.
269
00:17:15,915 --> 00:17:17,758
Was it this one?
270
00:17:19,922 --> 00:17:20,924
Yeah.
271
00:17:20,925 --> 00:17:22,207
Did you meet Gall Watkins there?
272
00:17:23,929 --> 00:17:25,932
Er... I only went a couple of times.
273
00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:27,295
I really don't remember.
274
00:17:28,778 --> 00:17:29,939
Who ran it?
275
00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:30,942
Er...
276
00:17:30,943 --> 00:17:34,948
It was a circle, you sat in a circle
of chairs and just talked.
277
00:17:34,949 --> 00:17:35,950
I don't think anyone...
278
00:17:35,951 --> 00:17:38,955
Someone must have booked
the hall, mustn't they?
279
00:17:38,956 --> 00:17:39,957
I guess.
280
00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,960
Well, whose number's this?
281
00:17:41,961 --> 00:17:43,964
It was just an answering service
282
00:17:43,965 --> 00:17:45,967
so that you could let them know
if you were going.
283
00:17:45,968 --> 00:17:46,970
Where was it?
284
00:17:46,971 --> 00:17:50,976
Some sort of old council building,
I think it was.
285
00:17:50,977 --> 00:17:53,982
It was... behind Warren Street.
286
00:17:56,988 --> 00:18:00,353
Greta, this file of phone contacts
was amended on the day
287
00:18:00,354 --> 00:18:02,196
that Ray Collins was murdered.
288
00:18:02,197 --> 00:18:03,999
In fact...
289
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,003
I mean, look at that,
290
00:18:06,004 --> 00:18:08,849
it was only two hours after
our estimated time of his death.
291
00:18:19,027 --> 00:18:21,710
I have a daughter
who was sexually abused
292
00:18:21,711 --> 00:18:26,038
and a husband serving eight years
in a high security prison,
293
00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:28,042
so perhaps you'll understand why
294
00:18:28,043 --> 00:18:33,050
I don't weep for men like Collins,
but I didn't kill him.
295
00:18:33,051 --> 00:18:37,057
Debbie did call me to tell me
what had happened, but when he died,
296
00:18:37,058 --> 00:18:39,062
I was in church with my daughter.
297
00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:45,073
Thanking God for giving us all
the strength we needed to survive.
298
00:18:46,074 --> 00:18:49,439
She might have been telling
the truth about her alibi,
299
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,084
but she's lying about other stuff.
300
00:18:52,085 --> 00:18:54,088
They all are.
301
00:18:54,089 --> 00:18:56,772
We keep the pressure on.
302
00:18:56,773 --> 00:18:58,095
'So, we just wanted to talk to you'
303
00:18:58,096 --> 00:19:01,101
about something you said
last time we spoke.
304
00:19:02,103 --> 00:19:09,114
You said, "I struggle to cope
with all the guilt at what he did",
305
00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:12,120
"what his lawyer did,
what the CPS did to our family."
306
00:19:13,643 --> 00:19:16,127
And I find that a bit odd.
307
00:19:16,128 --> 00:19:19,132
Cos actually, it was you
who withdrew your cooperation
308
00:19:19,133 --> 00:19:20,815
and caused the case to collapse,
wasn't it?
309
00:19:20,816 --> 00:19:22,818
Who told you that?
310
00:19:22,819 --> 00:19:24,141
I spoke with the CPS.
311
00:19:24,142 --> 00:19:26,144
Did they tell you why
I withdrew cooperation?
312
00:19:26,145 --> 00:19:27,507
Why don't you tell me?
313
00:19:27,508 --> 00:19:30,151
Because your lot messed up.
314
00:19:30,152 --> 00:19:32,355
You interviewed one of my girls
without a responsible adult.
315
00:19:32,356 --> 00:19:33,998
Because my solicitor said
316
00:19:33,999 --> 00:19:36,162
the defence would have made
mincemeat of her.
317
00:19:36,163 --> 00:19:38,167
Well, why not just have her be
interviewed again?
318
00:19:39,208 --> 00:19:41,372
I'm guessing you don't have kids.
319
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:44,216
So you don't know what it's like,
320
00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:47,182
watching someone you love
more than anything else in the world
321
00:19:47,183 --> 00:19:51,190
have to dredge it all up again
and again and again.
322
00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:53,193
That's why.
323
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:05,214
Tell me about your relationship
with Greta Kashell.
324
00:20:07,218 --> 00:20:09,220
I don't have a relationship
with Greta Kashell.
325
00:20:09,221 --> 00:20:11,224
Yeah, but you know she is,
don't you?
326
00:20:11,225 --> 00:20:12,227
I met her a few times.
327
00:20:12,228 --> 00:20:13,428
Where?
328
00:20:13,429 --> 00:20:17,235
At a support group I went to
occasionally, but we're not friends.
329
00:20:17,236 --> 00:20:21,242
I've met her... We've spoken
maybe twice in as many years.
330
00:20:21,243 --> 00:20:22,245
And Gail Watkins?
331
00:20:22,246 --> 00:20:24,247
Same. At SCAR?
332
00:20:24,248 --> 00:20:26,252
Yes.
333
00:20:28,616 --> 00:20:33,263
Debbie, we have a warrant
to search your house.
334
00:20:33,264 --> 00:20:36,268
When we do, we're going to go
through your phone records
335
00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:39,275
and your computer and your diaries
and your address books.
336
00:20:40,276 --> 00:20:42,279
You really think it was us?
337
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,282
Was it?
338
00:20:43,283 --> 00:20:45,284
No.
339
00:20:45,285 --> 00:20:47,288
Did you ask someone
to do it for you?
340
00:20:47,289 --> 00:20:49,291
No. Do you know who did it?
341
00:20:49,292 --> 00:20:50,294
No.
342
00:20:55,303 --> 00:20:57,306
Debbie, this is your chance,
343
00:20:57,307 --> 00:20:59,631
this is your opportunity
to tell us your side of the story.
344
00:21:01,835 --> 00:21:06,321
Because I think in your heart
you want to talk to me.
345
00:21:06,322 --> 00:21:09,327
I think you are involved
in these events somehow,
346
00:21:09,328 --> 00:21:11,331
and I think you regret it.
347
00:21:12,533 --> 00:21:14,537
I think you regret it very much.
348
00:21:17,703 --> 00:21:19,346
I think you wanna talk.
349
00:21:25,356 --> 00:21:26,358
No.
350
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,361
I have nothing further to say.
351
00:21:38,379 --> 00:21:42,385
The assault and murder last week
of as yet unnamed man.
352
00:21:42,386 --> 00:21:45,591
It's been confirmed by local
residents that both men have been
353
00:21:45,592 --> 00:21:51,081
arrested previously in connection
with allegations of child sex abuse.
354
00:21:51,082 --> 00:21:52,403
Now, other news,
355
00:21:52,404 --> 00:21:55,409
and in the City,
the FTSE 100 is up...
356
00:22:04,425 --> 00:22:06,428
Staffe.
357
00:22:06,429 --> 00:22:08,471
A result from the search
of Debbie Collins' house.
358
00:22:08,472 --> 00:22:10,956
This was found in a kitchen drawer.
359
00:22:10,957 --> 00:22:13,801
It's got Greta Kashell in there
and Gail Watkins
360
00:22:13,802 --> 00:22:15,444
and a number of other names
361
00:22:15,445 --> 00:22:18,450
which I'm guessing are other parents
that she met at the support group.
362
00:22:21,135 --> 00:22:23,458
Can I...
363
00:22:23,459 --> 00:22:25,982
OK, OK, we need to run this through
Intel, PNC, CMS,
364
00:22:25,983 --> 00:22:27,465
Custody and Command And Control.
365
00:22:27,466 --> 00:22:29,469
I want to know what
the crimes against their kids were,
366
00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:31,472
whether the suspects
were prosecuted,
367
00:22:31,473 --> 00:22:34,477
where all the suspects are now
and where all those parents were
368
00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:37,483
when Statham, Collins
and Dawlish were attacked.
369
00:22:37,484 --> 00:22:40,489
Yeah, we're getting closer,
we're getting closer.
370
00:22:41,491 --> 00:22:43,494
This is good work, Dave.
371
00:22:57,269 --> 00:22:58,271
Oi.
372
00:22:58,272 --> 00:23:00,274
Present.
373
00:23:00,775 --> 00:23:01,777
We all clubbed together.
374
00:23:01,777 --> 00:23:02,778
You shouldn't have.
375
00:23:02,779 --> 00:23:05,783
That's what I said.
It's just man flu.
376
00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:09,790
Er, so the answering service number,
did you get any joy from BT?
377
00:23:09,791 --> 00:23:11,473
Yeah, name and an address.
378
00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:14,799
Unfortunately, the name's
John Smith,
379
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,806
line and bills were registered
to a serviced office in the city.
380
00:23:18,807 --> 00:23:19,809
What about how they paid?
381
00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:22,813
I'm waiting to hear
back from the billing department.
382
00:23:22,814 --> 00:23:25,818
They said it might take a couple
of days, so...
383
00:23:25,819 --> 00:23:26,860
Jesus, all right!
384
00:23:26,861 --> 00:23:28,824
Almost making me feel guilty.
385
00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:30,827
Almost.
386
00:23:30,828 --> 00:23:31,830
Right, I'm off to the SCAR
meeting hall.
387
00:23:31,831 --> 00:23:33,832
Call me on the billing as soon as.
388
00:23:33,833 --> 00:23:35,876
OK. Just to be clear, this isn't
what you give sick people.
389
00:23:35,877 --> 00:23:37,840
It hasn't been for about 20 years.
390
00:23:37,841 --> 00:23:39,363
It tastes nice, though, doesn't it?
391
00:24:09,897 --> 00:24:11,900
I'll let you know, girls, all right?
392
00:24:11,901 --> 00:24:16,909
Well, as I said, they always
paid in cash, I remember that.
393
00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:17,911
So when was the last time they came?
394
00:24:17,912 --> 00:24:20,916
What? The SCAR group,
when was the last time they met?
395
00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:21,918
I don't know.
396
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,761
About 18 months ago.
397
00:24:23,762 --> 00:24:24,924
Here's the paperwork.
398
00:24:25,926 --> 00:24:27,928
I should have chucked this out.
399
00:24:27,929 --> 00:24:30,933
In fact, I only saw it
was still there when you rang.
400
00:24:30,934 --> 00:24:33,939
Do you think if we asked
you to take part in a video ID,
401
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,942
you'd be able to recognise
any of the people that were here?
402
00:24:35,943 --> 00:24:37,946
Maybe the ones
that paid you the rent?
403
00:24:37,947 --> 00:24:39,949
I don't know, really.
404
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:41,151
Long time ago.
405
00:24:41,153 --> 00:24:42,314
Maybe.
406
00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:44,157
OK. Well, we'll give you
a shout when we're done.
407
00:24:44,158 --> 00:24:45,640
Thanks a lot for your help.
408
00:24:59,986 --> 00:25:01,668
Give me that.
409
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:02,991
It's just a kid's drawing.
410
00:25:09,002 --> 00:25:10,004
Will?
411
00:25:10,005 --> 00:25:13,008
This is printed on a HOLMES page.
412
00:25:13,009 --> 00:25:14,011
Our HOLMES?
413
00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:15,532
Yeah.
414
00:25:15,533 --> 00:25:18,018
Only a copper would be
able to print this out.
415
00:25:20,021 --> 00:25:21,023
Yeah.
416
00:25:22,025 --> 00:25:24,028
Staffe.
417
00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:26,032
Shit. When?
418
00:25:26,033 --> 00:25:27,715
OK.
419
00:25:31,882 --> 00:25:34,045
Nico Kashell just tried
to top himself.
420
00:25:34,046 --> 00:25:36,049
Shit!
421
00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:39,055
I'm beginning to have
a very unpleasant thought.
422
00:25:40,057 --> 00:25:44,063
Kashell would have known
Bob Jessop pretty well.
423
00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:47,068
He'd have had a lot of contact
with him through the investigation.
424
00:25:47,069 --> 00:25:48,071
Whoa, that is quite a thing.
425
00:25:48,072 --> 00:25:50,073
Do you seriously think Jessop
could be involved?
426
00:25:50,074 --> 00:25:52,077
I dunno. This way.
427
00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:54,281
I dunno, I hope not, but...
428
00:25:54,282 --> 00:25:57,086
I'm going to consider it
a possibility anyway.
429
00:25:57,087 --> 00:25:59,089
I guess.
430
00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:01,094
Just keep this between us, yeah?
431
00:26:02,096 --> 00:26:03,458
Of course.
432
00:26:07,105 --> 00:26:08,467
DI Jessop.
433
00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:13,114
What about him?
434
00:26:13,115 --> 00:26:14,117
Well...
435
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:21,129
you must have got to know him
through the investigation.
436
00:26:24,135 --> 00:26:26,339
I met him twice.
437
00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:30,506
Our relationship was with
the family liaison officer.
438
00:26:33,151 --> 00:26:34,994
Hardly knew Jessop.
439
00:26:36,156 --> 00:26:39,522
Who attacked Statham, Nico?
440
00:26:41,165 --> 00:26:44,009
Cos it wasn't you, was it?
441
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:45,171
Did you pay someone?
442
00:26:45,172 --> 00:26:47,174
Did Jessop introduce you to someone?
443
00:26:47,175 --> 00:26:50,180
I mean, you're an accountant,
for Christ's sake!
444
00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:53,185
How did you-how did you
get hold of chloroform?
445
00:26:53,186 --> 00:26:55,189
How did you get into his house?
Guv.
446
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:57,193
Just stop lying to us,
you little prick! Guv!
447
00:27:09,735 --> 00:27:12,219
'We will all be scarred
by this for the rest of our lives.'
448
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:14,583
'I dreamed
about killing him a million times.
449
00:27:14,584 --> 00:27:18,229
'I thought about what I'd do,
to make him suffer.
450
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:22,076
'The rage he felt
when they dropped the charges -
451
00:27:22,077 --> 00:27:23,239
'the rage we all felt...'
452
00:27:25,924 --> 00:27:27,447
He's not a happy bunny.
453
00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:31,453
What?
454
00:27:31,454 --> 00:27:34,097
I went through the list
and checked all the names.
455
00:27:34,098 --> 00:27:38,265
Of the other victims' cases, they
all went to trial, no halted cases,
456
00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:39,268
no parents pulling out...
457
00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:41,271
Except then, this morning,
458
00:27:41,272 --> 00:27:43,274
I saw an update on HOLMES
459
00:27:43,275 --> 00:27:47,281
relating to one of the surnames
in Debbie Collins' diary,
460
00:27:47,282 --> 00:27:48,803
another parent whose daughter
461
00:27:48,804 --> 00:27:51,328
was allegedly assaulted by a man
named Mark Regis.
462
00:27:51,329 --> 00:27:53,291
This guy?
463
00:27:53,292 --> 00:27:54,294
Yeah.
464
00:27:54,295 --> 00:27:56,818
So it turns out that Regis
was released two days ago,
465
00:27:56,819 --> 00:28:01,307
when the victim's family suddenly
withdrew their cooperation.
466
00:28:05,314 --> 00:28:07,316
Do we have an address for him?
467
00:28:07,317 --> 00:28:09,320
His bail address was his wife's,
468
00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:11,323
but she just told me
she chucked him out.
469
00:28:11,324 --> 00:28:12,326
Did she have any idea where he went?
470
00:28:12,327 --> 00:28:13,689
No.
Well, we need to find him, now.
471
00:28:43,381 --> 00:28:47,388
Yeah, can I have the number
for my local police station, please?
472
00:28:51,395 --> 00:28:53,399
That's OK.
473
00:28:56,244 --> 00:28:57,406
Hello?
474
00:28:59,409 --> 00:29:02,414
And Harry's really loved spending
time with you, so thank you.
475
00:29:02,415 --> 00:29:04,417
What time are you pushing off
tomorrow?
476
00:29:04,418 --> 00:29:07,623
Paolo's got a job interview
about three o'clock,
477
00:29:07,624 --> 00:29:10,428
then he'll come back here
and we'll probably push off then.
478
00:29:10,429 --> 00:29:12,431
I mean... You can...
479
00:29:12,432 --> 00:29:15,437
You could stay tomorrow night if
you want. I can cook you something.
480
00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:17,441
He's got to meet a friend in town,
so...
481
00:29:18,483 --> 00:29:20,806
Well, why don't the three of us
go out,
482
00:29:20,807 --> 00:29:23,451
you, me and Harry, catch a film?
483
00:29:23,452 --> 00:29:25,976
It's probably just best
that I go with him.
484
00:29:31,466 --> 00:29:34,471
Well, I'm gonna miss you both.
485
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,562
He's asked me to marry him.
486
00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:49,498
He wants to have more children,
a brother or sister for Harry...
487
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:56,509
a-and you know how much
I wanted a real family, Will.
488
00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:00,517
And he's the loveliest person when
he doesn't drink, I promise you.
489
00:30:06,528 --> 00:30:08,532
Dinner!
490
00:30:11,537 --> 00:30:12,539
Well, if, um...
491
00:30:17,548 --> 00:30:19,551
if that's
what'll make you happy...
492
00:30:22,556 --> 00:30:24,560
I'm happy for you.
493
00:30:39,627 --> 00:30:42,431
Smells delicious.
494
00:30:42,432 --> 00:30:43,593
Thank you.
495
00:30:43,594 --> 00:30:44,595
What is this?
496
00:30:44,596 --> 00:30:45,958
Risotto. Mushroom.
497
00:31:16,652 --> 00:31:17,654
Hey.
498
00:31:17,655 --> 00:31:19,656
You've been ignoring my calls.
499
00:31:19,657 --> 00:31:21,500
Er, yeah, sorry.
500
00:31:21,501 --> 00:31:22,662
Work's been insane.
501
00:31:22,663 --> 00:31:26,669
Well, I was just calling to say
if you do need me tomorrow,
502
00:31:26,670 --> 00:31:28,673
I'm still around.
503
00:31:31,358 --> 00:31:32,680
How about if I need you now?
504
00:32:12,751 --> 00:32:14,754
'We can certainly expect
some thunder and heavy rain,
505
00:32:14,755 --> 00:32:16,757
'lasting well into the afternoon,
506
00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:19,763
'with scattered showers
carrying on until the night...'
507
00:32:19,764 --> 00:32:21,766
'Heavy showers
and high humidity levels.
508
00:32:21,767 --> 00:32:25,773
'This will last
well into the evening...'
509
00:32:25,774 --> 00:32:26,776
'It was the last attack.
510
00:32:26,777 --> 00:32:29,780
'Police believe that further
assaults may be possible
511
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,784
'and have asked
members of the public...'
512
00:32:31,785 --> 00:32:32,827
Fuck!
513
00:32:57,831 --> 00:32:59,834
So is this the case?
514
00:32:59,835 --> 00:33:02,840
Or tomorrow, or...?
515
00:33:04,843 --> 00:33:06,526
Christ knows.
516
00:33:08,891 --> 00:33:11,856
Hardly even know
my own name at the moment.
517
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,865
My latest wild theory
is that Bob Jessop did it.
518
00:33:18,548 --> 00:33:19,869
How's old Bob?
519
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:22,875
Yeah, if you think
I'm in bad shape...
520
00:33:23,917 --> 00:33:25,880
I heard Sandra left him.
521
00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:27,563
How did you hear that?
522
00:33:27,564 --> 00:33:29,887
You know.
She rang me after you and me split.
523
00:33:29,888 --> 00:33:31,891
We stayed in touch.
524
00:33:32,893 --> 00:33:34,896
I've always liked Sandra.
525
00:33:34,897 --> 00:33:36,899
She didn't deserve what he did.
526
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,903
What did he do?
527
00:33:38,904 --> 00:33:39,905
Had an affair.
528
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:42,911
What?
529
00:33:42,912 --> 00:33:45,595
You're joking me?
530
00:33:45,596 --> 00:33:48,920
Somebody actually let Bob Jessop
put his penis inside them.
531
00:33:48,921 --> 00:33:49,923
I thought you knew.
532
00:33:49,924 --> 00:33:51,285
My God!
533
00:33:51,286 --> 00:33:53,128
Who was the unlucky lady?
534
00:33:53,129 --> 00:33:54,931
Some woman from the CPS.
535
00:33:54,932 --> 00:33:56,935
Yeah? He met her on a case.
536
00:33:56,936 --> 00:33:57,937
A Ruth...
537
00:33:57,938 --> 00:33:59,981
Ruth... someone.
538
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:23,982
Boss, it's me.
539
00:34:23,983 --> 00:34:25,987
It's Will.
540
00:34:26,989 --> 00:34:28,991
I need to talk to you.
541
00:34:28,992 --> 00:34:30,193
I know you were seeing Ruth
542
00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:34,000
at the same time that she was
handling the Kashell case.
543
00:34:34,001 --> 00:34:36,004
I can see your light
from the street, sir.
544
00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:37,006
I know you're in there.
545
00:34:38,008 --> 00:34:40,012
Open the door, sir!
546
00:34:46,022 --> 00:34:48,026
Suppose you'd better come in, then.
547
00:34:51,031 --> 00:34:52,554
Argh!
548
00:34:57,042 --> 00:35:00,728
I told you to walk away, lad!
549
00:35:31,463 --> 00:35:33,105
Yeah? Boss?
550
00:35:33,106 --> 00:35:35,108
Yeah? You all right?
551
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:36,111
Yeah.
552
00:35:38,115 --> 00:35:39,116
What's up?
553
00:35:39,117 --> 00:35:41,801
Bob Jessop just sent us a note.
554
00:35:42,803 --> 00:35:44,806
It's a confession to the attacks.
555
00:35:46,129 --> 00:35:48,132
I'm on my way.
556
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,161
'It was dropped in by him
at two in the morning'
557
00:36:05,162 --> 00:36:09,169
and it's a full confession
to Statham, Collins and Dawlish.
558
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:12,174
We've got a team
checking the airports and the ports,
559
00:36:12,175 --> 00:36:16,182
but that was only opened at eight,
so he'll have a head start.
560
00:36:19,187 --> 00:36:20,870
If you're gonna run...
561
00:36:23,194 --> 00:36:25,198
why not just run?
562
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,203
And why all this?
563
00:36:33,573 --> 00:36:36,217
Unless it's a distraction.
564
00:36:38,221 --> 00:36:41,225
You said we've got people
searching the ports for Jessop,
565
00:36:41,226 --> 00:36:42,228
searching the airports.
566
00:36:42,229 --> 00:36:44,231
Have we got anyone looking for him?
567
00:36:44,232 --> 00:36:47,236
Mark Regis? Shit!
568
00:36:47,237 --> 00:36:49,239
We've got an address for him now,
so...
569
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,242
I'm coming.
570
00:36:51,244 --> 00:36:54,248
And, you know, I'm sure I'm wrong,
571
00:36:54,249 --> 00:36:57,254
Jessop's our man and Regis is fine
572
00:36:57,255 --> 00:36:59,258
but it's just best to check, OK?
573
00:37:02,945 --> 00:37:04,266
What's that?
574
00:37:04,267 --> 00:37:06,271
It's a list of SCAR attendees.
575
00:37:07,272 --> 00:37:11,278
The one we found
at Debbie Collins' house.
576
00:37:11,279 --> 00:37:12,641
Richard and Rebecca Allerton?
577
00:37:12,642 --> 00:37:14,285
Yeah?
578
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:18,292
What was their story?
579
00:37:18,293 --> 00:37:21,296
Er, their daughter
was raped three years ago.
580
00:37:21,297 --> 00:37:23,381
There was a full investigation
but no-one was caught.
581
00:37:24,823 --> 00:37:26,306
Er...
582
00:37:27,308 --> 00:37:28,309
OK.
583
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,314
OK, um, you guys...
584
00:37:31,315 --> 00:37:34,000
I'll meet you downstairs, all right,
I'm just going to make a call.
585
00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:55,357
'Rick.'
586
00:37:55,358 --> 00:37:57,360
Hello, Will.
587
00:37:57,361 --> 00:37:59,363
'Hi. Where are you?'
588
00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:02,410
Just, er, out.
589
00:38:03,892 --> 00:38:06,056
'Do we need to talk?'
590
00:38:07,739 --> 00:38:09,382
What about?
591
00:38:10,384 --> 00:38:12,387
'You and your missus.'
592
00:38:14,391 --> 00:38:16,394
Why would we need to talk about
me and Becca?
593
00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:20,442
I've just seen
a couple's name on a list.
594
00:38:23,407 --> 00:38:26,411
Richard and Rebecca Allerton.
595
00:38:26,412 --> 00:38:28,415
'That's a good spot.
596
00:38:28,416 --> 00:38:31,421
'We never did get married
in the end.'
597
00:38:32,423 --> 00:38:36,790
Er... Right, you got a pen
and I'll give you an address?
598
00:38:36,791 --> 00:38:39,435
Poplar DLR...
599
00:38:43,122 --> 00:38:44,483
You go on.
600
00:38:44,484 --> 00:38:46,447
Something else has come up.
601
00:38:46,448 --> 00:38:47,449
Is everything OK?
602
00:38:47,449 --> 00:38:48,451
It's fine.
603
00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:50,295
I'll meet you there.
604
00:39:17,503 --> 00:39:18,704
Hello, sir.
605
00:39:18,705 --> 00:39:20,507
You called our station.
606
00:39:20,508 --> 00:39:22,510
Yeah, I did.
Thanks for coming, officer.
607
00:39:22,511 --> 00:39:24,515
My pleasure entirely, Mark.
608
00:39:30,526 --> 00:39:32,528
This one here.
609
00:39:32,529 --> 00:39:33,531
Yeah.
610
00:39:36,737 --> 00:39:38,539
Mr Regis?
611
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:42,386
Mr Regis, it's DI Pulford
and DC Chancellor from the police.
612
00:39:42,387 --> 00:39:44,550
We just want to make sure you're OK.
613
00:39:45,552 --> 00:39:47,555
Mr Regis?
614
00:39:47,556 --> 00:39:48,678
Mr Regis, are you down here?
615
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:07,591
Rick?
616
00:40:17,609 --> 00:40:19,452
Rick?
617
00:40:24,141 --> 00:40:25,462
Hello, mate.
618
00:40:25,463 --> 00:40:27,627
Do go through.
619
00:40:30,632 --> 00:40:32,636
Jesus Christ!
620
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,643
Fun and games?
621
00:40:38,165 --> 00:40:40,649
Rick, what are you doing?
This is insane!
622
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:44,656
Do you know what Mark here
did to his victims, the details?
623
00:40:44,657 --> 00:40:46,659
Yeah, I read the files.
He raped her, Will.
624
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:48,503
I didn't.
625
00:40:48,504 --> 00:40:51,027
When she was 11 years old.
626
00:40:51,028 --> 00:40:56,677
And then, he told her if she went
to the police he'd find out
627
00:40:56,678 --> 00:41:01,046
where she lived and then
rape and kill her mother.
628
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:05,693
Been a bit of a star at school
up till then.
629
00:41:05,694 --> 00:41:07,697
Six months later, she's
cutting herself, smoking weed.
630
00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:09,741
Now, my little...
631
00:41:10,743 --> 00:41:13,226
Siany...
632
00:41:13,227 --> 00:41:15,711
chose pills.
633
00:41:15,712 --> 00:41:17,714
Becca found her in time.
634
00:41:17,715 --> 00:41:20,720
I'm so sorry, Rick.
635
00:41:20,721 --> 00:41:23,725
I didn't know any of that
till today.
636
00:41:23,726 --> 00:41:26,731
No, well, why should you?
Private matter.
637
00:41:28,735 --> 00:41:32,741
Yeah, so, the thing is, it's not
enough, is it, just to lock them up?
638
00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:33,783
Not even to kill them.
639
00:41:33,784 --> 00:41:37,751
What they really need
to understand is the pain...
640
00:41:39,754 --> 00:41:42,759
so then they can tell
the others like them
641
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,767
what it's like and then maybe,
maybe they'll stop.
642
00:41:47,768 --> 00:41:49,771
Yeah.
643
00:41:49,772 --> 00:41:51,975
I mean, I'm not gonna lie,
it's hard to get it right,
644
00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:54,780
and one of the fuckers
went and died on me,
645
00:41:54,781 --> 00:41:56,623
so I'm gonna go
easy on old Mark here.
646
00:41:56,624 --> 00:41:58,466
Please, please don't.
647
00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:00,790
Rick. Rick! What do you reckon?
648
00:42:00,791 --> 00:42:01,793
Both feet?
649
00:42:01,794 --> 00:42:04,838
Foot and a hand?
What about Becca and Siany?
650
00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:07,803
How are they gonna cope?
651
00:42:07,804 --> 00:42:09,806
How are they gonna cope
with the pain
652
00:42:09,807 --> 00:42:11,811
of you been taken away
for a life sentence?
653
00:42:13,654 --> 00:42:15,657
Already lost me, I'm afraid.
654
00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:17,822
You were wrong about the man flu.
655
00:42:18,823 --> 00:42:20,666
Tumour.
656
00:42:20,667 --> 00:42:22,829
Metastasised,
657
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,838
stage IV as of three weeks ago.
658
00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:30,844
There is no stage V.
659
00:42:30,845 --> 00:42:32,847
'Guv, it's Josie.'
660
00:42:32,848 --> 00:42:35,372
Just wondering where you are.
Call me.
661
00:42:35,373 --> 00:42:37,856
Did he say anything
about where he was going, Ray?
662
00:42:37,857 --> 00:42:39,860
'No, but... Hang on.
663
00:42:39,861 --> 00:42:41,703
'Yeah, there's a post-it
on his desk.
664
00:42:41,704 --> 00:42:43,227
'An address in Poplar.'
665
00:42:44,869 --> 00:42:48,876
It was actually at the Marsden
where I met Bob Jessop,
666
00:42:48,877 --> 00:42:50,879
and we got chatting, as you do.
667
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,884
Found out we were both old bill,
and then one day,
668
00:42:53,885 --> 00:42:57,891
he started to tell me
about the Kashell case.
669
00:42:57,892 --> 00:42:59,896
Course, then I told him all about...
670
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,907
Siany, and...
671
00:43:08,111 --> 00:43:10,915
he suggested we try SCAR
672
00:43:10,916 --> 00:43:13,599
cos Greta and Nico went there,
673
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,123
and then we did.
674
00:43:16,766 --> 00:43:17,927
You know?
675
00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:20,933
We all knew it wasn't enough.
676
00:43:22,937 --> 00:43:23,939
And then...
677
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:25,140
well,
678
00:43:25,141 --> 00:43:27,946
one day Bob had this idea...
679
00:43:29,308 --> 00:43:31,952
for a rougher type of justice.
680
00:43:31,953 --> 00:43:35,959
After I did what I did
to Statham, I was asked to stop,
681
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,807
but then last month I found out I
only had a few weeks and I thought,
682
00:43:40,808 --> 00:43:41,969
"No, fuck it, let's have some fun."
683
00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:46,979
And then when you rang just now,
well, I thought, "Yeah..."
684
00:43:50,986 --> 00:43:52,990
"this is my chance..."
685
00:43:55,995 --> 00:43:57,998
"to give something back."
686
00:43:57,999 --> 00:44:00,202
Something back?
687
00:44:00,203 --> 00:44:04,008
A chance for you to see what it
looks like, what it feels like,
688
00:44:04,009 --> 00:44:06,012
proper revenge.
689
00:44:06,013 --> 00:44:08,016
You think I could do
something like this?
690
00:44:08,017 --> 00:44:11,021
If you had the people
who killed your parents
691
00:44:11,022 --> 00:44:14,547
here in this room right now,
yes, mate, I do.
692
00:44:14,548 --> 00:44:17,553
But, there's no point
arguing the toss.
693
00:44:19,036 --> 00:44:22,040
Let's just find out...
694
00:44:22,041 --> 00:44:24,045
what it feels like.
695
00:44:35,064 --> 00:44:36,066
No.
696
00:45:33,207 --> 00:45:35,170
Gov?
697
00:45:35,171 --> 00:45:36,172
Gov!
698
00:45:41,181 --> 00:45:43,184
Sorry, sweetheart.
699
00:45:43,185 --> 00:45:44,187
Will!
700
00:45:44,188 --> 00:45:46,190
Arrgh...
701
00:46:06,226 --> 00:46:07,747
Got it.
702
00:46:07,748 --> 00:46:09,230
Cheers.
703
00:46:09,231 --> 00:46:11,434
They've got Jessop.
704
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,237
Where?
705
00:46:13,238 --> 00:46:14,240
Dover.
706
00:46:17,245 --> 00:46:20,250
How much do you think
they did know? The other families?
707
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,282
Enough.
708
00:46:39,284 --> 00:46:40,646
Bring 'em in.
709
00:46:42,289 --> 00:46:44,293
All of them.
710
00:46:58,999 --> 00:47:05,690
Listen, um... if you and Paolo
ever need any time to yourself,
711
00:47:05,691 --> 00:47:09,336
I mean, then Harry can always
come and stay at mine.
712
00:47:09,337 --> 00:47:12,382
I mean, I'll take leave, I'll do
whatever needs to be done
713
00:47:12,383 --> 00:47:16,349
just to make sure that
his well-being
714
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:18,353
was our number one priority.
715
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,363
We'll be fine.
716
00:47:24,364 --> 00:47:26,367
Thank you.
717
00:47:32,378 --> 00:47:34,382
Bye, Uncle Will.
718
00:47:35,305 --> 00:47:41,562
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