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The human body perceives information in different ways.

One way it receives information is through lights,

and that's through our eyes.

So, our eyes respond to light for different colours,

and those are the colours of the rainbow that

we're familiar with, the red, orange, yellow,

green, blue, indigo, and violet.

So, if you talk about it in numbers we can talk

about that as being blue light's about 400 nanometres

in wavelength and the red light is around about

700 nanometres in wavelength.

So, that section of the electromagnetic spectrum

is what we perceive with our eyes, but that's a tiny

section of the vast spectrum that exists out there.

You can have many other wavelengths or other colours

which we don't perceive.

So, if we go to the red end of the spectrum we see up

to nice red colours, beautiful sunset colours

say for instance, but beyond the red we have something

we call infrared.

Now, our eyes don't detect that but our bodies can.

We feel infrared as that sensation of heat on your skin,

so your skin has detectors for that, but it's not

what our eyes see.

But it's like colour, but our eyes don't see it.

Beyond that we move out into microwaves

and radio waves with much longer wavelengths

of up to several meters in length.

And, those sort of wavelength of light, or electromagnetic

radiation are other colours, if you like that we can't

detect, not with our eyes but we can detect those

with radio telescopes.

And, if you come down to the other end beyond the blue

and the violet we have ultraviolet, which again we don't

sense, although it effects our skin by giving us

sunburn for instance.

We can go further down to shorter and shorter wavelengths.

We have such things as gamma rays and x-rays.

So, this whole spectrum of light is a series of colours

of which we only detect a very, very narrow part,

an extremely narrow part of that whole spectrum of light.

- S-T-S-U-V, during the 1990s NASA

carried out space shuttle missions and recorded

footage like this.

In this footage of what seems to be a formation

of objects moving over the earth, one object can be seen

escaping the atmosphere as we hear NASA explaining

the technology that they use to capture these images.

- This mission control Houston.

This view is being taken with the glow camera

housed in Endeavour's payload bay as

one of four different experiments that are hitching

a ride on the International Extreme Ultraviolet

Hitchhiker payload that is housed in

Endeavour's payload bay.

- A glow camera is a nickname used

for the technology that can capture things which

cannot be seen by the human eye, but are visible

in the ultraviolet light spectrum.

Down here on the surface of the Earth the atmosphere

limits what radiation can get to the ground.

Optical light can obviously get to the ground,

'cause that's what we see with our eyes.

We've evolved to accept that radiation which comes to us

from in the sky, from the sun and from other stars.

Some radio wavelengths get through to the surface

of the Earth, but most other wavelengths are blocked.

So, we're protected from the vast amount of the

ultraviolet wavelengths and the gamma rays and x-rays.

So, this is an aspect of more recent astronomy

which we've had to do from space.

So, the space age has allowed us to look at gamma rays

from space and x-rays from space and ultraviolet radiation

from objects in space.

- STS-80, November 1996, this mission

has given NASA fascinating footage of what appears

to be UFO sightings.

Visual phenomena which NASA have explained away

as space ice and debris.

We see in the recording peculiar objects that seem

to be moving over Africa.

The most notable visualization that occurs is an object

that enters the camera's shot in a transparent

or almost corporeal state.

Only to shine into existence once it finds its position

within the atmosphere.

Furthermore there seems to be multiple objects

which appear to hold a circular formation

with the final object moving into the center

and lighting up.

The illuminated objects seem to stay cohesively

in this formation blinking with the few along the top

ascending back into orbit.

Could space junk or ice perform these kinds of manoeuvres?

The seeming deliberate nature of the movement

of these objects seems near impossible to explain away

as naturally occurring phenomena.

Former NASA employee James O'Berg has determined

the objects to be just ice, which can be illuminated

based on near Earth conditions.

Other scientists like Doctor Jack Kasher say that

this explanation is impossible.

NASA has had a number

of cases where they have dealt in some fashion

with UFOs, and of course, that is, I'm sure,

classified and kept secret and hidden from the public.

- Throughout NASA's history correspondents

have been steadfast and actively denied any

UFO activity in space.

However, we will see that during the course of over

20 STS missions NASA's own space cameras have caught

what is arguably the most interesting UFO footage.

Statistically, it's a certainty there are hugely

advanced civilizations, intelligences, lifeforms out there.

I believe they're so advance that

they're even doing interstellar travel.

I believe it's possible.

But Musgrave is years later, he seemed amused by them

and definitely not threatened by them.

So, you know all the astronauts get trained

in these phenomena.

Suddenly, I look up and I see these five lights

and they seem to fly by.

- One of our pioneer astronauts was

Brigadier General Jame McDivitt.

In 1965, General McDivitt spent four days in outer space

as command pilot of Gemini IV.

General Mdivitt have you ever seen a UFO?

Yes, during my flight on Gemini IV in 1965

I saw and object in space fairly close to our spacecraft

that I could not identify.

It looked to me like maybe the upper stage

of another rocket.

I tried to take some pictures of it, but unfortunately

the pictures did not come out properly.

We never were able to identify what it was

and all our radar tracking data indicated

that there shouldn't have been another object

anywhere near us at the time.

There is abundant evidence that we are being contacted,

that civilizations have been visiting us for

a very long time.

And, it was only later when I began to embrace

the UFO phenomena, the cover up, studying all these

organizations that were covering up and having some

direct experience myself as a researcher no longer

beholden to funding from NASA or the university environment

that I began to double check some of Carl's work.

And, I saw, for example, the famous face in Cydonia in Mars

photographed by Viking in 1975 which shows this gigantic

human mesa that resembles a human face about a mile across.

Carl and I debated this

and it was very, very disappointing to be because

not only was Carl wrong he also fudged data.

He published a picture of the face

in Parade magazine, a popular article, saying that the face

is just a natural formation.

But, he doctored the picture to make it

not look like a face.

And, I began to realize just directly from a scientific

point of view, not only hearsay, that this man

was colluding with NASA, that there might be more

to this than before.

There are some people at NASA that are working on

material that's classified so you would have

different levels of security clearances

and compartmentalized stuff especially at

the top secret level.

It was the same in Livermore, although I did have

a security clearance most of the stuff that I worked on

was compartmentalized because well you had to have

a need to know.

And, they let you know enough about it but it was not shared

between departments, that material is not.

- Even though there have been credible,

educated scientists like Doctor Mitchell backing

the theory that we are being visited mainstream scientists

like Doctor Andrew Jacob believe that all of this technology

is being used to detect quasars or other scientifically

accepted space phenomena.

Andrew believes we are building monumental technology

to simply learn more about our universe than we ever did.

Radio telescopes see things which are so faint

they have to be extremely large and sometimes you might

combine multiple radio telescopes together to get

even more information.

The big project in the Australian outback and in

southern Africa is the SKA project, the Square Kilometre

Array, concentrated in western Australia, but spread

across the whole country and also there'll be another

segment of it in southern Africa.

Eventually, they'll be working together and to produce

a telescope almost the size of the Earth.

But, the large collecting area means it's an extremely

sensitive telescope and it's designed to detect

pulsars, designed to detect potential emissions

if there's any aliens out there.

If they discover a signal that protocol tells them

what they'll do with the information and who they'll

contact first and when they'll release it.

The protocol says that it will be released publicly,

the knowledge will become public, it won't stay private.

You've got so many people involved in these programs

and people tell stories.

People tell people things.

No one is gonna be able to keep it quiet if anyone

finds a signal from elsewhere or even any evidence

whether it's intelligent or not, but finding any

evidence of life elsewhere in the universe will be known.

It won't be kept quiet.

There's no way you could do that even if

you wanted to, I'm sure.

Top secret stuff could be, for example, any craft

that the astronauts saw when they were up on the moon.

And, there were code words that would be used in

that type of situation.

There was an incident with the space shuttle Discovery

where Don Ratch who is a UFO researcher was listening.

He liked to listen to the shuttle talking back

and forth with Houston.

After an hour and a half he heard one of the astronauts

say we have a fire.

Maybe they had a fire, maybe they didn't.

Nobody seemed to be getting excited.

And, UFO researchers think that what happens in that

situation is that they have spotted a UFO or some kind

of extraterrestrial space craft and that's a code

that they use to describe that.

So, he sat down right away and started recording.

- Houston, this is Discovery we still have

the alien spacecraft.

And, a couple minutes later he heard someone

on that same channel he had been listening to

saying, and this is a direct quote,

"Houston, this is Discovery we still have the alien"

"spacecraft under observance."

NASA was presented with that, they denied that that

was an astronaut, although it was on that same channel.

I guess you need about 20 words for a voice print

analysis and there are only 13 words so we could not

prove that it was somebody at NASA saying that.

But, it was kind of fishy because it was on that same

channel that Don Ratch had been listening to

for a couple hours.

That would have to be a very classified topic

because anything like that with UFOs

would be classified to some extent.

And, I know a number of astronauts have seen UFOs

but they're very reluctant to talk about them.

- SCS-73, mission day three, October 21st,

1995 astronaut Catherine Coleman is seen peering out

a capsule window when she is heard saying this:

- We have an unidentified flying object.

- The communication goes silent.

It is well known that the space shuttle has two radio

channels, one for public broadcast and another which

is an encrypted channel for the Department of Defence.

It remains possible that the missing part of this

transmission was sent on the encrypted channel.

Well, if there are code words then I think it's pretty

clear the astronauts would have to know them before

they go up into orbit.

And then, if they use them fine if they see something.

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- We see another light going by

on the ground there.

It could have been a star, Bill.

- Okay, roger.

- With another camera angle we get

a little view of the Astro-2 telescopes moving

offscreen now as the camera is panned upward.

And, that gives us a look at the

sky above Endeavour

with stars visible

on this black and white camera,

a low light sensitive camera.

But, we now have lost...

That would have to come, I would think, from some

astronauts being debriefed and mentioning that they

had seen something or else that NASA suspects that

it's possible that they might see something and so

they developed some code words to use.

- STS-63, another interesting piece of footage

with some equally interesting commentary.

NASA claimed these to be ice crystals that look

like a bed of diamonds.

However, when observing this triangular formation

of objects on the horizon they seem to be entering

the Earth's atmosphere at a slow pace.

And, based on the distance from the ISS these objects

are large enough to be prominent at such a distance.

- Columbia, Houston we're looking our

payload bay camera and it looks like a lot of moonlight

glinting off the ocean, a whole sparkling bed of diamonds

out there, is that a real picture or we just getting

some video fuzz?

- Say Houston we're recording that.

That's some of the ice crystals that we were dumping

out earlier, and yeah it's a beautiful picture.

But, when NASA developed cameras that could see

into invisible wavelengths of light, into infrared,

far infrared, and then you get into near, far,

and extreme ultraviolet sensitivity this is when

there was a wealth of phenomena.

- Looks like you got an object

right in front of you Mark, can you look out there?

- I don't see what you're talking about.

- Nevermind.

- Are we missing something?

I don't see anything.

- Yeah, we think the camera filter

came off, Mark.

It's about your 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock going away.

Don't worry about it.

- Columbia, Houston could you tell us

what your TV view is showing?

- Well, the sun has actually risen

on the belly side of the orbiter so we're getting some light

scattered down from a very bright pale onto the camera lens

and then those little white dots moving around

are little ice crystals surrounding the orbiter.

So, as we come into across

the terminator guess we'll turn on one of the colour cameras.

- Copy that, I was waiting for the opening

credits of Star Trek to go down the screen there.

- Thank you, there's a lot of people

flipping out up here.

- I'll bet, and we know.

- STS-80, at the beginning of this sequence

we see an electrical storm taking place

in the Earth's atmosphere.

This high energy environment also shows

multiple objects congregating nearby.

We see the first object materialize and descend

into the middle of the atmosphere where it slows down

and then finally holds it's position.

Would space ice be able to stop and maintain

it's pace so gracefully?

I know that NASA uses iridium for the mirrors

to capture ultraviolet light looking for space imagery.

And, you know the astronauts are trained to observe

this phenomena, especially with working with those cameras,

special CCDs and sensors.

You'll see these vaporous kind of see through foggy looking

discs that would be moving and assembling,

and even assembling and stopping.

With these cameras you're not seeing all the light,

you're only seeing part of it.

And that's a very small amount of light because it's

the light that's interacting with the background

of the space environment.

So, whatever space is made of zero point energy,

it's certainly not a vacuum, it's exciting those particles

and they emit a tiny bit of energy.

You cannot buy a camera over the counter today,

professionally or legally, so it's kind of

playing with that.

I remember this one camera came out.

I'm trying to remember the name of the camera.

It wasn't a Nikon or a Canon or anything like that.

It was like Sigma or something like that

and accidentally it could see ultraviolet light.

And, after 1,000 units of the camera got out

they canceled all the sales.

You couldn't buy it, I wanted to get one.

You couldn't get one.

And, it almost proved that they didn't want people

seeing in those spectra of light.

- What seems even more suspicious

is the fact that the camera man is manually tracking

the object while filming.

When it starts to ascend from its initial position

the camera zooms in and focuses on the object.

Is this not evidence that NASA holds at least some interest

in these phenomena?

- What attracted you to physics?

I started teaching, taught physics and astronomy here

at Nebraska, Omaha for 34 years.

And, during that time I also taught for 17 summers

and for a number of times during the year

at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

in Livermore, California.

I had a security clearance and I studied the effects

of nuclear weapons.

I studied electromagnetic theory and nuclear theory,

a bunch of different things and atmospheric physics.

And, I did that for 17 summers.

And, that was a big part of my research.

I also got a grant to work for NASA.

The Star Wars program came into being about 1983 or so.

And so, I had worked on nuclear weapons and the effects

from 75 on up through there and other different

electro magnetic theory problems.

And, it was after 1983 and if I were to guess maybe 1984, 85

through 88, something like that, I worked on the microwave

laser and maybe other aspects of the Star Wars program, too.

There was supposed to be a ground based system where

you could shoot down the missiles that would come out.

And, we also were gonna have space platforms.

I think the x-ray laser was gonna be up on

the space platform, but that was gonna be a part of it

that we have space satellites up there with the weapons

that would then come into use if they ever had to be used.

I don't know where they are now, but they're at least

close enough to using it that we had to study

what would happen with it.

- STS-48, September 13th, 1991 it appears

there is something coming from the Earth's surface

in response to an object entering the atmosphere.

Soon after this footage was shot Doctor Kasher wrote

a full scientific analysis of the event.

He submitted his findings to NASA and the public.

You need training or understanding on how to deal with

something that's vaporous and not easy to see,

but yet is showing up on these cameras and is not physical.

So, they didn't know whether to believe it or not,

but he was mystified.

The data was there, it was clearly there.

- And, what got you interested in STS-48?

Why is this an important event that took place

in NASA researches?

It was 1991, September 15th, I believe, and Don Ratch

again, was taking some video on the NASA select TV station

that they broadcast out for everybody to watch,

sent it to Harry Jordan, one of my cohorts here in Omaha.

And, he shared the video with me.

And, we both looked at it and knew there was something

really going on here, something quite interesting.

And so, I was on the Sightings television program

and I kind of showed some of the trajectories and all.

And, because of that I was put in contact with

an individual at the University of Wisconsin in Milwaukee

who studied little critters that move in Lake Michigan.

And, they had a grid that they put over the television

picture and so they could trace in 1/30th of a second

intervals where the objects were.

And so, this was completely ideal to use.

And so, I got a grant from the Fund for UFO Research

and they overlaid the television picture and I got

all kinds of position time coordinates for

all the bunch of the little lights that

were in the STS-48 video.

And, taking those data I was able to calculate

all kinds of several different motions, accelerations,

and velocities and so on, in three dimensions.

And, the result of that was that I developed

five direct proofs that the objects

in the video were not ice particles,

which is kind of the first bail out explanation

that people that would look at it

might say that these objects might be.

And so, with my five proofs just from the data itself,

analyzing all the velocities and so on I proved

that they could not be ice particles.

And so, what were they then?

You don't have any more options.

If they're not ice particles they can't be comets,

they can't be meteors, they can't be satellites,

because they don't change direction

and these things change direction.

And so, that leaves you just with one other option,

some kind of space craft.

In the case of STS-48 I think it was very similar.

I think they saw something coming in and they shot at it.

The air glow and right below it, hard to see,

is the surface of the Earth.

This is the Earth down here.

This is above the atmosphere.

That's a star.

This is the second object that is of interest to us.

And, it's slowly coming up, as you can see.

In a little bit you're gonna see the main object

pop up here, go over, and you'll see some flashes down here.

And then, it's gonna sharply cut back here.

Seconds later a streak is gonna go through there,

right where it had been.

Here we go, and there's gonna be a flash down here.

There's your flash, here it goes.

And, there goes the streak.

And, there's a second streak right there, hard to see.

And, these objects are moving, too.

This one actually moved up in this direction

after the flash.

So, that's the main thing and these two objects here

are the ones that are of interest, plus the streak

which is a different type of quality that goes through there

right after the main object leaves.

You can't tell by watching the video but the main object

actually paused for half a second before it turned

back up the other direction.

- Discovery Houston,

continue. And, we're gonna

continue on here and they're gonna bring the camera

down and put it away in the cargo bay.

I don't know what this thing is, but it's really

a very interesting object, too.

- Water dump, attitude will take

about 15 minutes and in order to start the dump on time

we'd like for you to do that manoeuvre now.

We need it to prevent contamination.

- Okay, understand you want us to start

the spa water dump.

And, it's coming down, you're gonna be able to see

that it was focused at infinity because once it gets

down here the side of cargo bay is gonna be out of focus.

And, here's the side of the cargo bay out of focus

and then they'll refocus it, now you can see it.

Then, it's gonna turn toward the front and you're gonna

be able to see the whole front of the cargo bay.

So, here it goes.

The way they behaved out there depending on how far

away from the shuttle they were was an extraordinary thing.

To the extent that if they were 10 miles or farther

from the shuttle they were behaving in ways that

were vastly beyond anything that we can do on the Earth.

Four NASA employees were given this to offer their opinion.

They just watched the video, they did no analysis of it.

And, what they came up with was reasonable that it had

to be ice particles and that's as far as they took it.

Did not say a single thing about there were two streaks

that went up through there, like you might expect

from a missile.

I was able to rule out at least five different proofs

that they were not ice particles.

And, if they weren't they only other viable option

is some kind of space craft.

And, the way it behaved, again I can't prove how far

away it was from the shuttle, if it was a mile away

that's unbelievably close, that's dangerous.

If it's 10 miles away it accelerated in a fashion

that was beyond anything that humans could stand, 100 Gs

it would be, which would destroy a human being.

And then, as you start going out beyond 10 miles

then we're talking about quantum leaps in technology

beyond what we have.

And so, to me the logical conclusion is that these

were space craft from somewhere else out in space

away from the shuttle.

And, it's hard to explain those two streaks that

went through there unless it is in terms of one good

explanation might be that they were missiles

that we might be firing at them.

And, that's a scary thing, too.

But, I don't believe that their craft that

the military would be alarmed about.

I think it's possible the military could be preparing

for some type of space war based on their own paranoia

and their own schizophrenia about not being able to handle

what cameras are seeing.

- At the end of NASA's Atlantis shuttle mission

the STS-115, when the crew was supposed to make

a controlled re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere

a UFO tracked the space station and blocked the entry way.

This was a potentially dangerous event that could have

resulted in the death of the crew had there been

a collision or an unexpected redirection

during their descent.

NASA's explanation was that this large object

was simply a piece of plastic.

But, a piece of plastic very much like this that's used

to install tiles was there before,

is most likely what we saw in that

camera view floating away.

Crazy alert, aliens after Atlantis?

Official video from the latest NASA space shuttle mission

appears to show what might be UFOs in space.

A segment from the live NASA feed shows the cargo bay

of the space shuttle Atlantis and what appears to be

three flying objects directly above the shuttle.

The objects are in motion in a triangular formation,

how we often imagine UFOs might move.

The narrator of the live feed tries to explain

the objects away with a less than convincing story,

take a listen.

- This is mission control Houston

with Atlantis Commander Brent Jett talking with us.

Trent Terry works here in mission control, about an object

the crew members floated outside the windows of

the space shuttle Atlantis.

Describing it as some kind of reflective or metallic

looking cloth but definitely not a rigid or a metal object.

Yeah right, there just happened to be three identical

pieces of massive metallic cloth moving around

in a constant formation in space.

Certainly, one of the most convincing UFO videos yet

it appears more likely than ever that we might have

company in our universe.

- Gary McKinnon has been a prolific figure

in the hacking world since 2002 when he committed

the biggest military server security break in in history.

In 2003, he became subject to bail conditions including

a requirement to sign in at his local police station

every evening and to remain at his home address every night.

If extradited to the U.S. and charged McKinnon would have

to face up to 70 years in prison.

Here's your list of charges.

You hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force,

the Department of Defence and NASA amongst other things.

Why?

I was in search of suppressed technology.

- I'm here with Gary McKinnon and we're here

to talk about his possible extradition to the United States

for some hacking that he's done and some investigation

he's also done on the part of UFOs and disclosure.

Maybe you could explain exactly what you're in for

or up for, I guess, might be a better word.

Apparently, it's seven counts of intentional

malicious damage and unauthorized access.

Each count carrying 10 years maximum.

- Exactly what were you looking for

when you were doing this?

At first I was looking for anything to do with UFOs.

As I got more into the subject and listened to more

serious talk and discussion about the subject

and was introduce to the Disclosure Project

I realized there were 400 witness testimonials

from people that worked from everything as simple as

air traffic control up to military radio operators

right up to the men and women in charge of whether or not

to launch nuclear missiles.

I thought, these are surely credible people.

I've been doing this every night, all night practically

for two years not really looking after myself very much.

So, data things are a bit mangled 'cause it wasn't even

really a hack to get into it.

It was just large scale phishing of like passwords.

The administrator account, a lot of the time on a corporate

network or a large organization like the Army or the NASA

isn't actually used, there isn't an administrator.

But, it's a built in account, so you can't delete it.

You can rename it.

But, that's for say if someone wanted to do something

system wide across the whole network they would use

that account to log in remotely because that gives you

full control over the machine.

Well obviously, they must have IT staff

that look after things.

- Right, and didn't you encounter one such

person or was he an IT guy on the other end?

Yeah, yeah he was a network engineer.

Because I had graphical remote control of the machines,

like literally like sitting in the chair opposite

the screen, opposite the monitor I think I must have

got the time zone wrong or he was working late hours

or whatever, but he obviously saw the mouse

moving across the screen.

And, next thing I know word pad flashes up and someone

types, "Who are you?"

And, I panicked, didn't want to get caught.

I thought very quickly on my feet and turned around

my own investigations into an explanation.

So on the screen I said, "I'm from NIPRNet Security,"

which is the non-classified internet protocol

and router network.

"And, obviously there was some unauthorized scanning"

"coming from this machine and I'm here to investigate it."

And, he immediately, he was a good ploy to my human nature

tried to impress me with his knowledge and show me

this little virus scan and pretty much showed me

that the machine was clean.

- Wow.

And then, moved along.

- So, what did you find out?

About the UFO thing, as far as I'm concerned,

it may sound circumstantial to some,

but as far as I'm concerned it's proven.

As part of the Disclosure Project, there was Donna Hare,

a NASA photographic scientist who had up to secret clearance

was in building eight in Johnson Space Center,

she says in the testimony.

And, that one of her colleagues was doing some

photographic work, invited her over to look at it

and she saw a high res satellite imagery maybe

half a k above the treetops, I think it was like

a white disc and she at first thought, ah it's a blob

in the emulsion, it's some kind of fault

in the photographic process.

And he said, "Well look, blobs in the emulsion don't have"

"perfectly formed shadows going in the same direction

"as the trees," et cetera, et cetera,

all the detail was there.

And, she basically was saying that they had this whole

place in building eight for air brushing out UFOs

on a regular basis 'cause they then sent on,

NASA sent on their images to universities and the like.

And, having been all over other NASA installations already

I assumed the blank password scanning method would work

the same in Johnson Space Center and it did.

Once I was in there I used various network commands

to strip out the machines that were in building eight.

And, got onto to those and the very first one I was on

literally had what she said.

I can't remember if it was filtered in raw processed

and unprocessed, but it was definitely photos

whereby there was a transformation in the data taking place

between one and the other.

These folders were full of images in a proprietary

NASA format or in a format I'd never seen before,

no jpegs or gifs.

They were also two to three megabytes in size,

big on a 56k dial up modem.

There was no way I was gonna download it,

it's like five minutes per megabyte.

So, what I did, the remote control program that

gives you graphical control of the machine turned

the resolution right down, turned it down to I think

four bit colour and then on the desktop

of the NASA machine navigated to the folder,

double clicked on the first image.

The application launched, the image comes up on the screen

but it's still very, very slow.

And, what I saw, I was hoping to see was exactly

what she was describing, saucers and very definite imagery.

And, what instead I saw was I assume was the Earth,

this is in sort of shades of Gray, but you had the Earth's

hemisphere, took about 2/3rds of the screen.

And then, halfway between the top of the hemisphere

and the bottom of the picture there was a classic

sort of cigar shaped object, but you know with those

little golf ball domes, geodesic domes above, below,

and on this side, and I assume the other side as well,

so the left and right as well, and was very slightly

flattened cigar ends.

No seams, no rivets, no sort of telemetry and antennae.

When it was photographed it was about 3/4 of the way down

on the screen.

And, you're seeing the mouse move, you right click

the local area network icon changes to disconnect.

Natch, that's me, and that's why it was such

a strange moment.

It was triumphant in a way, I thought, I've completely

corroborated what Donna Hare has said.

- On October 16, 2012 then Home Secretary

Theresa May announced to the House of Commons

that the extradition had been blocked saying that

Mister McKinnon is accused of serious crimes,

however McKinnon happens to suffer from Asperger's Syndrome

as well as other depressive illnesses.

Because of this the decision to extradite was considered

incompatible with his basic human rights.

This case highlights a potential truth embargo

and the lengths that major governments might go

to protect secrets.

And again, once again, I know cameras have gotten

so much better that it's very possible that they're

able to see these things in the colour spectrums.

- After exploring potential hard evidence

for UFOs in outer space what about all the sightings

that have occurred on land?

- Tell me about the first time you noticed

something strange in the sky above Dunedoo.

Well, I came out here in late 2012 in August

and pretty much the second night I was staying here

I noticed a strange ball of light moving across

the house in the backyard on the property behind us.

And, it was moving very slow over the rooftops.

And, it was actually illuminating the rooftops

underneath it as it was moving.

This thing is phenomenal.

It was just highly unusual, and this was around 11 p.m.

in the evening.

And, in this town here there's not many people

who are up at night.

There's not many street lights.

The town prides itself on being one of the astronomy

capitals of Australia because of the fact they not

much light pollution like in the city.

So, yeah the second night I was here I saw a very strange,

large, spherical ball which was half the size

of the house hovering above the house

and then heading north, in the direction north

it was very unusual so and it just

continued since then unabated, the sightings.

It's been a lot of people have seen it now,

up to 80 people have come up here and seen it

from all over in Australia.

And, it's just getting bigger and bigger in number,

the actual eye witnesses to what's going on.

- I mean, how long do you think it's

gonna take till people accept that these things are real?

How do you mean accept?

At what level of the population becomes,

you mean when it becomes a socially logical,

sociologically real, I don't know.

When does it reach a level like that?

It won't happen in Australia.

Our most favorite TV show, new TV show started

it was a belly flop thing where people jump off

the sides of pool to see how big the splash they make

in the pool.

That's a TV show.

If that can get aired how would this stuff get aired?

- Can you talk a little bit about that

'cause I'm very interested in the fact that people

tend to absorb their time with

sort of nonsensical information, right,

things that just don't really advance their thinking?

You've got people that are watching belly flop shows, right?

That was great that you talked about that.

Tell me how you can relate that to maybe somebody

who spends way too much time watching footie,

a bunch of guys smashing... It's the same thing,

there's no difference.

- Go ahead, talk about that.

What our problem it's the dumbing down of society.

It's across, it's cross-cultural.

You're not supposed to think anymore.

What's really scary to me is if you watch that

morose garbage on TV and drink special amounts

of methyl alcohol and put your money in a special box

where you have very high odds of pulling it and follow

a football team through an inflatable bladder around

and go to work and die at 62.3 having 2.4 kids that's

normal, but actually looking up into the sky

and looking at things, or looking at stuff from

a slightly different angle is not normal?

That's what really scares me 'cause what we're interested

in is technically not normal.

And, as Damien told you he almost attracted a psychiatric

label for filming what he's seeing.

So, they're implying it was a hallucination,

but he's filming it.

To me, you're attracting a decent case of medication

if you feel I can film my hallucination.

That a doctor can suggest how it describes facts,

that to me is really scary.

'Cause this is an aberrant belief system,

we're on the fringe of society.

This is an outlier belief system.

This is insane what we're talking about.

- But, tell me what is sane.

Well sane is being a robot, taking your brain out

and just going to work and doing and never thinking

outside the box.

That's how they classify sanity, never actually thinking.

And, none of us are running around like headless chooks.

We're holding down jobs and mortgages and blah, blah, blah.

So, we're not completely nuts, but our belief system

is nutty enough there to actually look up into the sky.

And, Damien's maybe even more dangerous 'cause

he's filming something that's not supposed to exist.

- One of the most controversial events

that has taken place was a massive daylight sighting

that happened in Australia.

- With the Westall incident just tell us

about what happened and why it's important to the world.

The Westall incident is an absolutely fascinating

flying saucer incident.

It's probably the largest mass witnessed daylight sighting

of a flying saucer, certainly in Australia

and probably in the world.

On the sixth of April in 1966 in a place called Westall

in the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne, Australia's

second largest city, at around 10:15 in the morning

some students who were out on the playing field

at Westall high school noticed, just out of the blue,

this flying saucer type object appeared above them

in the sky.

And, within several minutes a huge number of the students

at both Westall high school and the neighbouring

primary school next door, Westall State School

witnessed this flying saucer shaped object.

Some people say it was one, quite a few witnesses

remember seeing more than one, two or three flying

low in the sky above the two Westall schools.

And then, the students watched as the flying saucer

flew several hundred meters to the south of the school

and disappeared behind a grove of pine trees.

Because so many of the students saw the flying saucer

going into the direction of this place called the Grange

and so many of the students knew the Grange so well

because it was an area very close to their school

they did what they knew very much against

the school's rules, jumped the school boundary fence,

raced over the road and chased after the flying saucer.

A small number of student were lucky enough to arrive

in time to see the flying saucer still on the ground,

or at least very close to the ground and they watched it

as it lifted up, tilted onto it's side, and then

flew off at an incredible speed.

- Are any of those students alive today?

Nearly all of those students are still with us,

still alive today.

I've been in touch with almost 100 witnesses

who remember seeing the flying saucer themselves,

about 150 students who remember seeing the circles

left behind in the grassy paddock where the flying

saucer came down, and something like 60 students

who were lucky enough to have seen both of those things.

- Now, in the history of this event

there was one individual, quite prolific, who would be

Andrew the science teacher.

Can you tell us a bit about his involvement

and how it may have affected his life?

Sure, well Mister Andrew Greenwood was one of the

two science teachers at the school at that time.

There was a male teacher and a female teacher.

Andrew Greenwood was teaching science to a class at the time

when the flying saucer appeared and a student rushed in

to his class from outside.

A girl who had been doing physical education at the time

yelling out, "There's a flying saucer outside",

"a flying saucer outside."

After a few minutes Andrew gathered his class together

and went out to investigate himself.

And, sure enough, getting out onto the playing field

he saw a flying saucer for himself as did the students

who were in his science class.

Andrew was very much affected by what he had seen.

He could clearly see what it was that the students saw,

as well, and about a week or two later there was a knock

at his door at his home.

And, he opened the door to see two uniformed Royal

Australian Air Force officers on his doorstep.

He thought, "Okay, they're coming around to talk to me"

"about what I've seen to take down more details"

"about what I had seen."

But, in fact, they'd come around to do the very opposite.

They came around to say, "Andrew, there are no such things

"as flying saucers and we don't want you talking again

"about what you say you saw.

"In fact, if you talk again to the media," at that point

in time he had spoken to the local newspaper and his

account and his photograph had appeared in the newspaper.

"If you talk again about what you have seen we will"

"make sure that you don't teach again in this state."

They were coming around to threaten him to put

the hard word on him.

Now obviously, he was very shaken by this and he remembers

thinking at the time, "If there are no such things"

"as flying saucers why are you two Air Force officers"

"so keen for me to not say that I've seen one?"

"Why are you two people so keen for me not to talk"

"about what I have seen."

- The arm in the lower right corner

of the picture which was a position that Anna had

put it in to assist in our station keeping test.

- A German space agency.

A German space agency.

- If there were a danger out there in the stars,

another intelligence that was willing to enter

our atmosphere without permission, willing to alter

our way of life by simply revealing themselves

what could be the reason, why now?

Could it be to eventually take advantage or exploit

mankind as a resource?

That certainly would be a worthy cause for NASA

to keep secrets.

Or, is there something even more unbelievable at hand?

Perhaps a group of elite humans have closed the world

off from this interaction.

Or maybe these off-worlders themselves are the ones

trying to keep the secrets.

NASA has partnered with Robert Bigelow who's an

unconventional figure in the aerospace world.

He's more at home on the Vegas strip then at America's

space agency and he's obsessed with aliens and UFOs.

In the Spring of last year he and NASA carried out

an historic test to prove his high flying technology

is ready to support humans in space.

Witnessing those explosions in the 50s and 60s

you weren't aware of the ultimate ramifications

of those kinds of things.

But, there was a real strong feeling of energy

and a secretiveness and so forth.

It was cool.

- He told us this is where his grandparents

had a close encounter with a UFO and explains

the alien looking out from the side of Bigelow Aerospace.

You believe in aliens?

I'm absolutely convinced, that's all there is to it.

Do you also believe that UFOs have come to Earth?

There has been and is an existing presence,

an E.T. presence.

And, I've spent millions and millions, I've probably

spent more as an individual than anybody else in

the United States has ever spent on this subject.

Is it risky for you to say in public that you

that you believe... I don't give a damn.

In UFOs and aliens?

I don't care.

You don't worry that some people will say that

you're that guy, he sounds like he's crazy.

I don't care. Why not?

It's not gonna make a difference.

It's not gonna change reality of what I know.

Do you imagine that in our space travels

we will encounter other forms of intelligent life?

You don't have to go anywhere.

You can find it here?

Yeah.

.srt Synced and Corrected by Dan4Jem, AD.I.MMXVIII

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