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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,591 --> 00:00:10,630 Incomplete portrait of Gertrude Stein 2 00:00:20,001 --> 00:00:22,640 As is said to be the case for the dying, she was able to see clearly and freely 3 00:00:22,901 --> 00:00:27,076 the things like they really are and not like one would like them to be. 4 00:00:30,281 --> 00:00:32,977 I have always been bothered by the fact that people take a bigger interest in my person than in my work 5 00:00:33,421 --> 00:00:39,519 If my work wasn't there, nobody would take any interest in me, so why aren't they more interested in my work? 6 00:00:40,561 --> 00:00:47,558 But all in all I don't know how well you know my work, so maybe I'd better tell you everything. 7 00:00:47,931 --> 00:00:53,870 For a long time I didn't know what childhood was, but I remember a miracle 8 00:00:53,941 --> 00:00:56,739 But possessing something and rememb- ering are two very different things 9 00:00:56,971 --> 00:01:01,180 There's a moment from childhood or any time like a country school. 10 00:01:01,441 --> 00:01:06,208 And I ask myself if I should talk about what I remember as I do about what I don't 11 00:01:08,251 --> 00:01:12,824 If I remember what I remember, then why do I remember? 12 00:01:13,621 --> 00:01:17,591 I remember it so well that it seems that I don't remember after all 13 00:01:17,991 --> 00:01:20,801 And if it doesn't resemble then I don't really remember. ls it any use? 14 00:01:27,001 --> 00:01:31,711 I was a little girl from California and I discovered like everybody the difference between life and death. 15 00:01:32,841 --> 00:01:37,483 I discovered that stars are moving worlds, I discovered comets, the wind and the rain 16 00:01:38,711 --> 00:01:47,619 Grass, flowers, butterflies didn't interest me like before, but there was books and food, food and books: two great things 17 00:01:48,021 --> 00:01:53,664 During childhood there is almost everything, if not in fact everything 18 00:01:54,001 --> 00:02:00,702 One suspects that life and death are quite alike. One isn't sure but one wonders 19 00:02:01,171 --> 00:02:04,641 It's when the desire to become legendary sets in. 20 00:02:05,141 --> 00:02:11,478 All that they say, all that they know, all that they repeat is legend 21 00:02:11,911 --> 00:02:21,991 lt must be legencl to be taught, feet & legs to be part of it, hands & fingers also, but less legendary than legs & feet 22 00:02:24,961 --> 00:02:29,705 To play in a garden by nightfall during childhood is legend 23 00:02:29,931 --> 00:02:33,697 You can feel it. It's like this every time at dusk. 24 00:02:34,441 --> 00:02:38,366 I remember having become legend many times during my childhood 25 00:02:38,841 --> 00:02:43,756 Me and my brother became legendary when we mounted dusty mountain roads 26 00:02:44,951 --> 00:02:49,820 When we camped, pulled a little earl, lay close to each other 27 00:02:49,921 --> 00:02:54,187 and all other boys and girls could have done like we did, we were legendary 28 00:02:54,561 --> 00:02:59,225 And later on, one likes to read, because books always talk about legendary persons 29 00:03:03,871 --> 00:03:07,546 My mother had been ill for a long time and was unable to move 30 00:03:07,671 --> 00:03:11,744 So when she died we had gotten used to get by without her 31 00:03:14,241 --> 00:03:17,779 I have said everything about her in The Making of Americans 32 00:03:18,011 --> 00:03:22,482 But it's only fiction and what use is fiction 33 00:03:22,881 --> 00:03:30,765 That it's fiction is true in itself, and after all The Making of Americans isn't really fiction 34 00:03:30,791 --> 00:03:38,527 It's a description on how everybody who ever lived eats, drinks, loves, sleeps 35 00:03:38,931 --> 00:03:50,911 talks, walks, activate, forgets, disputes, loves, despises, works, sits down 36 00:03:51,311 --> 00:04:00,390 Some descriptions are longer than others. There's a lengthy one on my mom and dad 37 00:04:01,021 --> 00:04:06,493 It's not really a description, after all, what's the use of remembering things? 38 00:04:06,731 --> 00:04:12,328 And in our time, one doesn't really occupy oneself much with memories 39 00:04:16,241 --> 00:04:25,252 My dad couldn't be woken up. My brother entered the room from the window, cried that he was dead and that was true. 40 00:04:28,021 --> 00:04:32,947 Our life without dad was the start of a very agreeable life 41 00:04:33,121 --> 00:04:41,028 I reflected on every sort of dads. Dads come and go 42 00:04:41,761 --> 00:04:46,004 When people haven't had a dad they all want to have one 43 00:04:46,231 --> 00:04:49,940 And when they have one, everybody starts to regret they have one 44 00:04:50,871 --> 00:04:57,754 Sometimes dukes and barons become dads and kings and priests too 45 00:04:58,251 --> 00:05:05,953 In the agreeable 18th Century everybody get fed up with always having a dad 46 00:05:06,221 --> 00:05:12,956 And little by little the capitalists and the synclicalists too become dads and then the communists get into it 47 00:05:13,591 --> 00:05:21,839 Maybe the 21st Century will be likable like the 18th where people forgot to be a dad 48 00:05:27,181 --> 00:05:38,422 That's how my childhood was. The 19th Century didn't end easily, like centuries never do. It's hard to kill a century 49 00:05:38,551 --> 00:05:44,490 It's like the old jokes about mothers-in-law and centuries become as annoying as them 50 00:05:45,761 --> 00:05:54,339 The 19th Century had no logic. It had hopes, aspirations, discoveries, but no logic 51 00:05:54,701 --> 00:05:57,238 I really love logic 52 00:05:57,611 --> 00:06:04,505 That's why I have made my contribution to killing the 19th Century 53 00:06:04,881 --> 00:06:08,681 Like a gangster armed with a machine gun 54 00:06:47,091 --> 00:06:55,465 Gertrude Stein enters Radcliffe College where she leaves youth and solitude 55 00:06:56,201 --> 00:07:05,667 There she takes pleasure in seeing all kinds of people ancl a profound impression is left-t on her by William James 56 00:07:06,171 --> 00:07:09,106 Keep your freedom of spirit, he often said 57 00:07:09,181 --> 00:07:17,691 When a student said "What I tell you is true", he replied, "Yes, it's mostly true" 58 00:07:21,021 --> 00:07:25,890 Gertrude Stein had been to the opera every night for a week 59 00:07:26,561 --> 00:07:33,865 It was the exams for James' course. She couldn't write anything on the paper 60 00:07:35,171 --> 00:07:46,685 "Dear Professor James, I feel incapable of an exam in philosophy today", she wrote 61 00:07:47,481 --> 00:08:01,703 The next clay she got a card saying: "Dear Miss Stein, I understand your state of mind, which I often share myself" 62 00:08:02,261 --> 00:08:08,075 And on the top he had put the note, the highest any student had gotten on the course 63 00:08:09,441 --> 00:08:12,945 Gertrude Stein followed medical lectures in Baltimore 64 00:08:13,041 --> 00:08:15,316 The last years she started to get really bored 65 00:08:15,641 --> 00:08:21,352 A professor told her that he wouldn't give her the note needed for her diploma 66 00:08:21,521 --> 00:08:28,791 He told her, "Miss, all you have to do is follow the lectures this summer" 67 00:08:28,921 --> 00:08:32,664 Not at all, she replied. You have no idea how thankful I am 68 00:08:32,991 --> 00:08:39,499 You are making it impossible for me to practice medicine, which bored me stiff 69 00:08:39,831 --> 00:08:42,698 That was the end of Gertrude Stein's medical studies 70 00:08:42,941 --> 00:08:47,913 Her brother had settled in Paris. She joined him and started to write 71 00:08:48,081 --> 00:08:49,514 She wrote a novel 72 00:08:50,081 --> 00:08:59,592 Her apartment in 27 rue Fleurus had two floors, four rooms, a kitchen and a big studio 73 00:09:00,121 --> 00:09:08,802 That's where I met her. I moved into rue Fleurus and our Paris adventure started 74 00:09:10,061 --> 00:09:15,670 Gertrude Stein bought a painting from a young Spaniard called Picasso one day 75 00:09:16,071 --> 00:09:19,313 How that happened, none of them could remember 76 00:09:19,811 --> 00:09:26,956 The first time Picasso came to dinner and the first time Stein posed for a painting 77 00:09:26,981 --> 00:09:29,575 they could remember. The rest had been forgotten 78 00:09:29,581 --> 00:09:35,463 She wrote a negro story, Melanctha Herbert, second of the Three Lives stories 79 00:09:35,561 --> 00:09:42,057 Gertrude Stein went to Montmartre to pose for Picasso and went back each day 80 00:09:42,231 --> 00:09:46,497 by foot, meditating and forming phrases. Three Lives had been finished 81 00:09:46,771 --> 00:09:51,640 Gertrude Stein asked her sister-in-law to read it. She did and was very moved 82 00:09:52,311 --> 00:09:57,385 This delighted Gertrude Stein, who didn't think that anybody could take an interest 83 00:09:57,911 --> 00:10:04,123 At the time, she didn't ask people what they thought, only if they wanted to read 84 00:10:04,251 --> 00:10:08,585 Now she thought: If they agree to read, they'll end up liking it 85 00:10:20,801 --> 00:10:27,411 She needed am editor. After some research she ended up printing it herself 86 00:10:27,841 --> 00:10:31,982 Somebody told her about a publisher in New York who published historical works 87 00:10:32,351 --> 00:10:36,879 Three Lives was printed in USA and copies were sent to France for correction 88 00:10:36,921 --> 00:10:42,188 One day a young American presented him- self and said he wanted to see Miss Stein 89 00:10:42,461 --> 00:10:47,751 The director of Grafton Press wants to know if your knowledge of English is 90 00:10:47,761 --> 00:10:52,334 He asked a bit embarrassed. I'm American, Stein said with indignation. 91 00:10:52,601 --> 00:10:57,243 You don't think I have gotten a proper education, she asked, laughing 92 00:10:57,911 --> 00:11:03,315 I will write to your director and tell him that every word was written consciously 93 00:11:03,581 --> 00:11:09,577 Every word was meant to be like this and all I ask from him is to print it 94 00:11:09,681 --> 00:11:12,787 I will take the full responsabilty 95 00:11:12,821 --> 00:11:20,364 When the book had gotten much attention from critics, the editor wrote a frank letter 96 00:11:20,431 --> 00:11:26,666 saying that he had been surprised by the favorable reviews, but that he has proud of having printed the book 97 00:11:27,131 --> 00:11:32,569 The reception was overwhelming, because the author was completely unknown 98 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:40,515 The autumn exhibition was a step in official recognition of the outlaws of the independent salon 99 00:11:40,551 --> 00:11:47,525 There were many beautiful pictures, ancl a very good one by someone called Matisse, which wasn't really beautiful 100 00:11:47,921 --> 00:11:54,406 It was a portrait of a woman with a fan. It was very strange in its colour and its anatomy 101 00:11:54,501 --> 00:11:56,856 It pleased Gertrude Stein, who bought it 102 00:11:57,261 --> 00:12:00,333 She was upset to see so many people making fun of it 103 00:12:00,431 --> 00:12:07,507 She couldn't grasp why she found it so natural, while other found it so natural to find it absurd 104 00:12:07,541 --> 00:12:13,537 like she later couldn't understand why her writings, who seemed so clear, caused anger and mockery 105 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:20,623 She often said: My writing is clear as mud, but mud settles and clear streams run on and disappear 106 00:12:21,621 --> 00:12:25,728 Now I want to talk about the pictures that were in Gertrude Stein's house 107 00:12:25,791 --> 00:12:31,775 There were plenty of Renoir, Cezanne, two Gauguins, a Monticelli, some Manguins 108 00:12:31,831 --> 00:12:37,645 two Vallottons, a Toulouse-Lautrec, a Daumier, a small Delacroix and a moderate sized Greco 109 00:12:37,971 --> 00:12:44,979 enormous Picassos, two rows of Matisses, a big portrait of a woman by Cezanne and some very little Cezannes 110 00:12:45,081 --> 00:12:52,192 People were coming to see the paintings all the time and it started to get intolerable 111 00:12:52,521 --> 00:12:57,356 That was the reason why Gertrude Stein started to write at night time 112 00:12:57,931 --> 00:13:04,473 She had started The Making of Americans and was fighting words and phrases 113 00:13:04,801 --> 00:13:12,207 Especially the phrases. It began with an old daily theme that she had written when at Radcliffe 114 00:13:12,571 --> 00:13:18,578 "Once an angry man dragged his father along the ground to his own orchard 115 00:13:18,711 --> 00:13:24,115 'Stop' cried the old man at last. 'Stop' I did not drag my father beyond this tree" 116 00:13:24,491 --> 00:13:32,660 It was to be the story of a family but it was getting to be a history of all living beings, all who ever were or are or could be living 117 00:13:32,831 --> 00:13:45,869 lt was at this time that she got the habit that lasted to the war, which breaks a lot of habits, to work from 11 pm to daybreak 118 00:13:46,141 --> 00:13:54,480 She tried to finish before the sun rose and the birds started to sing, because from then on it wasn't comfortable to go to sleep 119 00:13:55,351 --> 00:14:00,596 At that time there were a lot of birds in the trees, but there are less now 120 00:14:01,161 --> 00:14:06,690 But at that time, the morning and the birds often caught her in the middle of her work 121 00:14:07,161 --> 00:14:11,006 So she went out. And she tried to get accustomed to the sun and the birds 122 00:14:11,271 --> 00:14:21,112 before she went to bed. Sunrises are very good, she said, if you approach them softly through the end of the night 123 00:14:21,341 --> 00:14:27,507 But if you have to face them suddenly in the middle of the morning, they are awful 124 00:15:29,911 --> 00:15:38,956 Her style slowly started to change. Before she was interested in the interior of persons, their character ancl inner life 125 00:15:39,491 --> 00:15:43,518 Now she wanted to express the rhythm of the visible world 126 00:15:43,961 --> 00:15:50,059 It was a slow and painful transformation, and she went through many different experiences in order to get there 127 00:15:50,731 --> 00:15:54,542 She looked, she listened and she described 128 00:15:55,471 --> 00:16:02,582 I have always been haunted by the problem of the relation of the exterior being with the interior being 129 00:16:02,941 --> 00:16:12,748 A question that occupies her in painting is the difficulty of representing the human that leads the artist to paint still-lifes 130 00:16:13,191 --> 00:16:17,423 Because, after all, the human life can't be rendered in painting 131 00:16:17,931 --> 00:16:26,031 She tried in various ways to describe, to invent words, but she soon gave up 132 00:16:26,371 --> 00:16:32,071 She was working in English and would have to solve her problems inside the language 133 00:16:32,111 --> 00:16:34,784 The idea of making up words shocked her 134 00:16:35,641 --> 00:16:45,016 She hated the abnormal. To her, the simplicity of the normal was more interesting and complex 135 00:16:45,151 --> 00:16:50,487 She stood by her task, describing objects and rooms filled with objects 136 00:16:50,691 --> 00:16:53,228 and with this she made the book Tender Buttons 137 00:16:53,761 --> 00:16:59,074 However she said that it is the whole of that which concerns men and women 138 00:16:59,231 --> 00:17:04,237 which is interesting, and that's why she never stopped to do her series of portraits 139 00:17:04,671 --> 00:17:07,879 This is how she started to write these portraits 140 00:17:30,001 --> 00:17:33,425 I started to read and first I thought that she was kidding me 141 00:17:33,771 --> 00:17:40,176 and protested. Then I read the rest of the page and was completely seduced 142 00:20:10,321 --> 00:20:18,626 In 1914, war broke out. For years already Picasso's paintings had been showing 143 00:20:18,771 --> 00:20:25,244 the structure of Spanish villages with houses fusing with the landscape 144 00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:29,145 For him this was always the principle of the camouflage of war 145 00:20:29,541 --> 00:20:37,721 In the first year of war, Picasso, Stein and I were walking down boulevard Raspail 146 00:20:38,191 --> 00:20:44,733 a cold winter evening. There is nothing colder than bd Raspail a cold winter evening 147 00:20:45,231 --> 00:20:48,325 All of a sudden down the street came some big cannon 148 00:20:48,361 --> 00:20:53,697 the first one any of us had seen painted, that is camouflaged 149 00:20:53,831 --> 00:21:00,111 Pablo stopped. He was spellbound. We did this, he said. He was right 150 00:21:00,441 --> 00:21:05,652 The order of this war wasn't at all like the preceding ones 151 00:21:05,911 --> 00:21:15,115 There wasn't a figure in center surrounded by other figures, but a composition that had nor start nor finish 152 00:21:15,521 --> 00:21:21,027 A composition where one corner was as important as the other 153 00:21:21,731 --> 00:21:24,199 In a word: Cubism 154 00:21:28,401 --> 00:21:34,340 We had seen villages and houses destroyed, but this was different 155 00:21:35,041 --> 00:21:42,618 I remember hearing a nurse once say and the only thing she did say of the front was: It's an absorbing landscape 156 00:21:43,781 --> 00:21:50,220 It was humid and dark with some living creatures scattered here and there 157 00:21:50,791 --> 00:21:58,072 Gertrude Stein once said: A war is never fatal, but it is always lost 158 00:21:59,071 --> 00:22:08,082 Before the war, Picasso, Apollinaire,Matisse Derain and Braque spent their clay together 159 00:22:08,341 --> 00:22:13,881 Picasso looked like an Apollon followed by four enormous grendiers 160 00:22:14,281 --> 00:22:21,153 Derain & Braque were huge, Matisse wasn't small. Apollinaire was big and robust 161 00:22:21,591 --> 00:22:30,829 Poor Guillaume. He had been injured during the war. A bit of his cranium was blown off 162 00:22:30,961 --> 00:22:36,866 Picasso told me Guillaume died the day of Armistice, and that he watched over him 163 00:22:37,501 --> 00:22:42,177 It was hot, the windows were open ancl the crowd outside was yelling "Death to Guillaume" (the German emperor) 164 00:22:43,011 --> 00:22:48,722 And since one had always called him Apollinaire, Guillaume was deeply hurt even while in agony 165 00:22:48,951 --> 00:22:52,216 The death of Guillaume changed the life if all his friends 166 00:22:52,491 --> 00:22:58,259 It was just after the war, blood was every- where and everybody went their own way 167 00:22:58,591 --> 00:23:05,076 Guillaume had the gift of grouping people. Now friendships were dissolving 168 00:23:05,431 --> 00:23:11,472 Everybody was sad and shaken. The whole universe seemed shaken up. 169 00:23:11,641 --> 00:23:15,577 The whole universe seemed sad. Guillaume Apollinaire was dead. 170 00:23:16,241 --> 00:23:19,256 The old life had ended 171 00:23:20,511 --> 00:23:27,417 An old woman in the village said to Stein: The people who laughed before the war don't laugh any more 172 00:23:27,921 --> 00:23:32,756 She didn't know if it was because they didn't know how to laugh anymore or because they wouldn't laugh 173 00:23:33,561 --> 00:23:39,932 Maybe people will laugh again if a whole generation won't hear of the war 174 00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:47,043 But maybe not, she said. Maybe we'll never laugh like that again 175 00:23:47,541 --> 00:23:54,583 The first years after the war Gertrude Stein worked a lot, but not like before the war. Not every night, but at any time of clay 176 00:23:54,651 --> 00:24:01,147 At this time she worked with great care slowly and very concentrated 177 00:24:01,421 --> 00:24:04,686 We observed that she was very preoccupied 178 00:24:04,761 --> 00:24:09,755 Gertrude Stein has a deep love of what the French call "le metier" 179 00:24:09,761 --> 00:24:15,142 Everybody should have only one metier like everybody should have only one language 180 00:24:15,241 --> 00:24:18,438 Her job was to write and her language was English 181 00:24:18,671 --> 00:24:22,107 Gertrude Stein has always been dominated by the spirit of exactitude 182 00:24:22,281 --> 00:24:27,810 She knows that the beauty resulting from emotion must never be taken to be the cause of emotion 183 00:24:27,911 --> 00:24:34,521 Prose and poetry should always be the exact reproduction of an interior or exterior reality 184 00:24:34,791 --> 00:24:40,730 She says poetry is essentially a vocabulary just as prose is essentially not 185 00:24:41,061 --> 00:24:43,529 And what is this vocabulary on which poetry is completely based? 186 00:24:43,661 --> 00:24:46,869 It's a vocabulary entirely based on the noun 187 00:24:47,171 --> 00:24:52,666 as prose is essentially and determinately and vigorously not based on the noun 188 00:24:52,841 --> 00:25:02,921 Poetry is concerned with using with abusing, with losing with wanting with denying with avoiding with adoring with replacing the noun 189 00:25:03,121 --> 00:25:06,921 It is doing that always doing that, doing that doing nothing but that 190 00:25:06,991 --> 00:25:12,031 When she said "A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose" 191 00:25:12,061 --> 00:25:14,234 She made poetry 192 00:25:14,361 --> 00:25:20,197 What did she do? She really caressed a noun and she spoke to it 193 00:25:20,371 --> 00:25:26,276 Some day somebody asked her why she wrote "A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose" 194 00:25:26,641 --> 00:25:35,117 She answered that in that verse, for the first time in a century in English poetry, the rose was really recl 195 00:25:35,981 --> 00:25:38,745 She understands very well the mechanisms of creation 196 00:25:38,951 --> 00:25:41,715 That's why her opinions are so valuable to her friends 197 00:25:42,221 --> 00:25:46,533 I often hear Picasso say, after she has made a remark about one of his paintings 198 00:25:46,591 --> 00:25:49,833 and illustrating it in talking about what she herself wants to do 199 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:56,406 "Tell me". They sit clown knee to knee and talk about clogs, death, misfortune 200 00:25:56,701 --> 00:26:01,013 Since Picasso is Spanish, he finds life painful. Gertrude Stein often tells me: 201 00:26:01,271 --> 00:26:04,775 Pablo just convinced me that I am as unhappy as he is 202 00:26:05,151 --> 00:26:12,216 "Are you unhappy?" I ask. "N0" she laughs, "no, I don't think that I'm unhappy" 203 00:26:12,891 --> 00:26:18,466 Ezra Pound dined at our place. Stein liked him but didn't find him very amusing 204 00:26:18,861 --> 00:26:25,369 She said that he was a good town orator. Very good if you were local, otherwise not 205 00:26:25,731 --> 00:26:32,876 Ezra talked a lot about T. S. Eliot. Gertrude wasn't too keen on meeting him 206 00:26:33,041 --> 00:26:37,876 but everybody said that she should, and she finished by vaguely consenting 207 00:26:38,551 --> 00:26:42,146 One day the door bell rang and Eliot entered 208 00:26:42,551 --> 00:26:48,194 He and Gertrude Stein had a formal conversation, mostly on infinitives 209 00:26:48,491 --> 00:26:56,102 Finally Eliot rose and said that if he printed anything of Stein's in the Criterion it would have to be her very latest thing 210 00:26:56,431 --> 00:27:01,425 He left and Gertrude Stein said that we were no longer obliged to visit him 211 00:27:01,871 --> 00:27:07,116 She started writing a portrait of T. S. Eliot and called it the fifteenth of November, 212 00:27:07,241 --> 00:27:13,783 that being this day and so there could be no doubt but that it was her latest thing 213 00:27:14,511 --> 00:27:19,585 It was all about wool is wool and silk is silk 214 00:27:19,891 --> 00:27:23,588 or wool is woolen and silk is silken 215 00:27:23,961 --> 00:27:28,261 She sent it to T. S. Eliot who naturally didn't publish it 216 00:27:30,461 --> 00:27:35,342 We were supposed to go to Hollywood to see Charlie Chaplin. And we went there 217 00:28:27,891 --> 00:28:30,860 Gertrude Stein liked Charlie Chaplin a lot 218 00:28:31,191 --> 00:28:34,627 They talked about cinema. He told her something 219 00:28:34,931 --> 00:28:42,303 He said that in silent film you could do things that you couldn't do on stage 220 00:28:42,771 --> 00:28:50,177 You could change the rhythm, but with an accompanying voice you couldn't anymore 221 00:28:50,581 --> 00:28:53,049 You were bound to the rhythm that was given by the voice 222 00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:59,989 Gertrude Stein talked about her opera, Four Saints In Three acts, and what she had wanted to do 223 00:29:00,391 --> 00:29:05,863 She had wanted to do a piece where nothing happened 224 00:29:06,361 --> 00:29:12,027 She had done it and it was interesting. He said yes, he understood that 225 00:29:12,371 --> 00:29:19,140 She said that films would be like news- papers, pure habit with nothing interesting 226 00:29:19,271 --> 00:29:26,507 One only asks of an artist to be interesting and he's only that if nothing happens 227 00:29:26,711 --> 00:29:29,384 If something happens it's just like everything else 228 00:29:29,781 --> 00:29:35,515 And the sure thing was that what's interesting is when nothing happens 229 00:29:35,591 --> 00:29:45,671 Chaplin wanted the sense of movement to be his invention, Stein claimed the non-event 230 00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:52,406 Both loved to talk, and had to stop them- selves in order to let the other person have the word 231 00:29:52,811 --> 00:30:01,355 After dinner, people gathered around Stein, asking how she had gotten such publicity 232 00:30:01,851 --> 00:30:07,346 Because of my small audience, she said. With a big audience you get no way 233 00:30:07,821 --> 00:30:15,398 Great publicity comes from real poetry, and real poetry only has a small audience 234 00:30:15,861 --> 00:30:21,595 Not a big audience, but it is really interes- ting and causes thus a great publicity 235 00:30:21,801 --> 00:30:28,206 This seemed to preoccupy them, as they wanted both an audience and big publicity 236 00:30:28,371 --> 00:30:33,047 Thet asked themselves how an author like Gertrude Stein could become popular 237 00:30:33,111 --> 00:30:38,595 It's easy! People are writing comprehen- sible things all the time and one is bored 238 00:30:38,891 --> 00:30:45,433 Bored because one feels one understands. One starts to like the incomprehensible 239 00:30:45,761 --> 00:30:53,429 Stein said: "The great reception I get is not caused by my comprehensible books 240 00:30:53,671 --> 00:30:56,344 but the incomprehensible ones 241 00:32:10,111 --> 00:32:15,549 Many people came to Gertrude Stein to ask her to write her autobiography 242 00:32:15,751 --> 00:32:18,379 but she always said: "Impossible" 243 00:32:18,721 --> 00:32:24,557 She started to talk me into writing MY autobiography. "Think of it" she said 244 00:32:24,691 --> 00:32:31,665 "think of the money". And she started to make up titles like "My Life With The Great" 245 00:32:31,931 --> 00:32:34,104 "My Twenty-five Years With Gertrude Stein" 246 00:32:34,671 --> 00:32:42,715 Then she started to get serious and say: "Really, you must write the autobiography" 247 00:32:44,241 --> 00:32:48,883 I am a pretty good housekeeper & a pretty good gardener & a pretty good secretary 248 00:32:49,151 --> 00:32:56,865 & a pretty good editor & a pretty good vet for dogs & I found it difficult to add being a pretty good author 249 00:32:57,161 --> 00:33:02,463 Stein said, it does not look to me as if you were ever going to write that autobiography 250 00:33:02,561 --> 00:33:09,137 You know what I'm going to do. I am going to write it as simply as Defoe did 251 00:33:09,671 --> 00:33:15,644 the autobiography of Robinson Crusoe. And she has and this is it 252 00:34:51,271 --> 00:34:56,880 In the summer I live on the French country- side in a village with about 2O families 253 00:34:57,781 --> 00:35:05,085 I know them all. And I know their oxen, their cows, their clogs, who know me back 254 00:35:05,451 --> 00:35:09,421 Me, my cars and my dogs 255 00:35:11,391 --> 00:35:15,964 We were there in september 1939 when France declared war on Germany 256 00:35:16,161 --> 00:35:18,971 I was very afraid 257 00:35:20,371 --> 00:35:23,636 I was so sure that there would be no war 258 00:35:24,171 --> 00:35:25,342 And here it came 259 00:35:27,311 --> 00:35:34,114 I started to make a book for children, and only allowed myself to think about the stories that would be included there 260 00:35:35,581 --> 00:35:41,190 I walked during daytime composing stories. I walked in the evening composing stories 261 00:35:41,521 --> 00:35:43,819 I went to sleep composing stories 262 00:35:44,991 --> 00:35:48,666 And I was quite successful at distracting my mind from the realities of war 263 00:35:48,961 --> 00:35:53,273 But when Alice Toklas said of a house by the road: "What a lovely house" 264 00:35:53,431 --> 00:35:58,095 I said "I won't look at it. All that will be destroyed" 265 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:06,111 I had predicted that when I had cut to the end of the garden, the war would be over 266 00:36:07,111 --> 00:36:11,150 Today all the boxwood is cut and war isn't over 267 00:36:13,121 --> 00:36:20,835 How can a strong nation like Germany be afraid of a handful of Jews? 268 00:36:22,461 --> 00:36:25,874 No doubt they're scared because hatred is fear 269 00:36:27,331 --> 00:36:31,745 And after all, what can they do? What can they do to them? 270 00:36:32,711 --> 00:36:38,741 Since this time all is so alike that it's different. And everything is just different 271 00:36:40,151 --> 00:36:43,882 The 21st Century will no doubt be a difficult and troubled time 272 00:36:45,151 --> 00:36:48,996 Faith in progress and peace will cease to exist 273 00:36:49,891 --> 00:36:52,018 Everybody knows, but nobody says it 274 00:36:52,731 --> 00:36:55,188 Because nobody has confidence in anybody else anymore 275 00:36:55,561 --> 00:37:00,373 And since nobody has faith in the possibility of being peaceful and happy 276 00:37:02,601 --> 00:37:06,640 Maybe people will realize what the French know so well 277 00:37:07,011 --> 00:37:10,879 The it's better to be vanquished and then win than to win and be vanquished 278 00:37:12,451 --> 00:37:20,119 But everybody will also be absorbed by the daily occupations 279 00:38:06,171 --> 00:38:12,815 So, I'm an American who's lived half her life in France. Not the half 280 00:38:12,871 --> 00:38:16,113 that made me, but the half where I have done what I have done 281 00:38:17,511 --> 00:38:24,178 I have done things, written real poems, real plays, real phrases 282 00:38:24,351 --> 00:38:29,323 and real paragraphs, but I have never said things in a simple manner 283 00:38:30,191 --> 00:38:33,160 But I have wanted, I should have had just that 284 00:38:34,561 --> 00:38:39,999 When I have written a story, I have written it as story 285 00:38:42,271 --> 00:38:50,042 And I have found that there is comfort in novels, because they present things as they could have happened 286 00:38:50,341 --> 00:38:58,225 In other word by remembering something. Everybody can remember 287 00:38:58,951 --> 00:39:02,216 And if one can do it, then why do it? 288 00:39:03,421 --> 00:39:08,632 So I wanted to tell what I knew the way I knew it 289 00:39:08,931 --> 00:39:10,796 and not the way I remembered it 290 00:39:11,701 --> 00:39:16,866 I have considered the words to a point where I knew their weight and volume 291 00:39:17,241 --> 00:39:22,577 I placed them among other words and I started to make portraits of people 292 00:39:23,581 --> 00:39:26,755 At the start I did the same thing that film does 293 00:39:27,551 --> 00:39:30,975 I did a succession of affirmations about the person 294 00:39:31,881 --> 00:39:34,224 till I had a created a whole 295 00:39:35,351 --> 00:39:40,755 I didn't think in terms of film. I had never been to the cinema at the time 296 00:39:41,961 --> 00:39:46,796 But one belongs to one's time, and our time is no doubt the time of cinema 297 00:39:47,801 --> 00:39:53,444 And one must express what the world one lives in is doing 298 00:39:54,041 --> 00:39:57,579 In the cinema two images are never alike 299 00:39:58,411 --> 00:40:00,811 Each one is a little different from the one preceeding 300 00:40:02,151 --> 00:40:06,349 Each time I said that the person I was portraying was such and such 301 00:40:07,651 --> 00:40:10,063 The thing I was referring to was a little different from the preceding one 302 00:40:11,161 --> 00:40:15,165 And this way I elaborated little by little a portrait. And I said 303 00:40:15,761 --> 00:40:19,436 a great number of times a person was such a thing 304 00:40:19,471 --> 00:40:26,309 and each time there was a difference that allowed the portrait to progress and exist in the present 305 00:40:27,111 --> 00:40:32,777 I had discovered what was fundamentally interesting in the interior of a person 306 00:40:33,711 --> 00:40:38,182 and I should find it not from what they said or did 307 00:40:38,321 --> 00:40:41,688 but from the intensity of movement inside him or her 308 00:40:42,961 --> 00:40:48,957 What bothers me is telling: saying something without saying more 309 00:40:49,461 --> 00:40:51,463 than the thing being told. That's what telling something is 310 00:40:52,331 --> 00:40:55,266 After all, human beings take an interest in two things 311 00:40:55,631 --> 00:41:00,671 Reality and how to tell it 312 00:41:02,841 --> 00:41:06,481 I have always wanted what I write to be banal and simple 313 00:41:06,751 --> 00:41:09,049 And I ask myself if I have succeeded in doing that 314 00:41:09,681 --> 00:41:14,892 If something isn't sufficiently banal and simple, it's nothing at all 315 00:41:18,591 --> 00:41:22,800 That's what's pleased me about being surrounded by people not speaking English all these years 316 00:41:23,361 --> 00:41:27,331 Most of them are unable to read a word of my writings 317 00:41:28,471 --> 00:41:33,613 I like to live here, with plenty of people and alone with the English language and myself 318 00:41:35,571 --> 00:41:41,385 A chapter of Americans starts like this: I have written for myself and for strangers 319 00:41:52,021 --> 00:41:57,095 In New York they filmed me for the news and invited me to come watch the movie 320 00:41:57,931 --> 00:42:01,367 I didn't like seeing myself moving and talking like that 321 00:42:02,131 --> 00:42:05,100 I got a strange feeling, and I didn't like that feeling 322 00:42:05,201 --> 00:42:09,376 It's strange to be yourself, because you're never yourself in your own eyes 323 00:42:09,711 --> 00:42:14,080 Except in the memories that you have, but of course you don't believe in those 324 00:42:14,951 --> 00:42:21,447 That's the problem with autobiography: You don't believe in it yourself 325 00:42:21,791 --> 00:42:26,057 Why should you believe in it? You know very well that's not you 326 00:42:26,391 --> 00:42:30,304 It couldn't be you because you couldn't have exact memories 327 00:42:30,461 --> 00:42:36,639 and if you had exact memories, that sounds false, false because it's not exact 328 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:39,098 Obviously, you are never yourself 329 00:42:39,771 --> 00:42:44,276 I have thought a lot about how one is one self for one self 330 00:42:45,111 --> 00:42:48,183 About the fact that you are present to yourself on the inside all the time 331 00:42:48,811 --> 00:42:54,920 But a minute earlier you could only have a memory of yourself and not the sense of what you were 332 00:42:55,351 --> 00:42:59,856 And I started to think that to the degree that you are what you think you are 333 00:43:00,031 --> 00:43:04,400 you don't have the sense of time 334 00:43:05,101 --> 00:43:08,434 You only have the sensation of time when you remember what you were 335 00:43:09,071 --> 00:43:12,074 And that's when I said: What good is it to be a little girl 336 00:43:12,401 --> 00:43:15,336 when you are going to be a woman? What good is it for? 337 00:43:16,511 --> 00:43:24,384 People are grown ups in their own eyes, they never consider themselves a little child 338 00:43:24,851 --> 00:43:27,524 or a very old adult 339 00:43:27,991 --> 00:43:30,892 In Gulliver's Travels is described people who never die 340 00:43:30,961 --> 00:43:35,227 And this seems to prove that death is necessary 341 00:43:35,561 --> 00:43:37,756 Because those who don't die don't live either 342 00:43:39,731 --> 00:43:44,668 And I thought that in order not to die there was no need to be old 343 00:43:45,841 --> 00:43:52,440 Why not stay young and immortal? Why not go on forever if you feel like it? 344 00:43:53,881 --> 00:43:57,226 The time of early childhood certainly go very slow 345 00:43:57,781 --> 00:44:03,185 And if it went infinitely slow, why not live indefinitely? 346 00:44:04,791 --> 00:44:07,931 Later I told myself that if nobody died 347 00:44:08,291 --> 00:44:11,033 Earth would be completely filled up 348 00:44:11,761 --> 00:44:17,404 And I wouldn't have existed. I couldn't have tried to be something else 349 00:44:18,701 --> 00:44:20,942 So why not die? 350 00:44:23,681 --> 00:44:30,723 When I was eight, I was shocked to learn that there was nothing about the afterlife or eternity in the ancient testament 351 00:44:32,251 --> 00:44:35,118 I checked the text and there was nothing there 352 00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:43,963 There was a God and he spoke, but there was nothing about eternity 39243

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