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[man on voice message]
All right.
Buckle your seatbelt.
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This is gonna be the bet.
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If I won,
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I get to come over
to your house
with my bag of goodies.
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Uh, inside my bag of goodies
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there are several
different bundles
of shibari rope.
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Shibari is the Japanese art
of rope bondage.
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My bet was going to involve
showing up at your place
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and completely tying you up
and incapacitating you
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and then being able
to do whatever I wanted
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to every single hole
in your body
until I was done with you.
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[newscaster] Trouble for
Golden Globe nominee,
Armie Hammer,
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known for his roles
in The Social Network
and Call Me By Your Name.
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[newscaster]
Disturbing and racy messages
allegedly sent to women
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by the actor Armie Hammer
are trending on Twitter.
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Shocking DM's allegedly sent
from Armie Hammer's
public accounts
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are going viral
on social media.
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[journalist] How did
Armie Hammer go from
Hollywood golden boy
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to an alleged abuser?
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[newscaster] The actor
Armie Hammer has been
confirmed as the suspect
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in an alleged
sexual assault case
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by the Los Angeles
Police Department.
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I thought we were all joking
about that Armie Hammer stuff,
but that's real?
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I just found out
that that's real.
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I have a new development,
his aunt wrote a book
about their family,
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and let me tell you,
this stuff didn't start
with Armie.
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[Casey Hammer] I know
my grandfather
had a dark side,
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but I saw my father's
dark side firsthand,
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and I've seen
my brother's dark side.
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And I've just heard about
Armie's dark side,
but I believe it.
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[man] More. One more.
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[Casey] Every generation
in my family has been involved
in dark misdeeds...
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...and it just gets worse
and worse and worse.
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[exhales deeply]
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[exhales]
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[exhales]
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My name's Courtney Vucekovich,
um, I am from Dallas, Texas.
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I am the CEO and founder
of an app called FLASHD.
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I started that in 2017.
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I'm here to talk about...
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...what happened
in my relationship
with Armie Hammer.
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I would love to be able
to paint a picture
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of the red flags
that I saw and...
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...what happened in order
for me to get in the mindset
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where I was almost
fully controlled by somebody.
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I had lost
my entire sense of self.
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You're his. Completely.
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I think it was November,
December, 2019.
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I remember
the Christmas lights
in Highland Park Village.
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They light up.
It's super gorgeous.
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I'm just trying to enjoy
a night with my friends
at a bar in Dallas.
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Then my friend's like,
"That's Armie Hammer,
from the Facebook movie."
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I didn't know who he was.
Like, he was tall,
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and he didn't dress like
a frat boy, so I was like,
"Wow, yeah. He's super cute."
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We, like, saw each other
in passing, like,
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spoke very briefly at the bar,
and then I go home.
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[message notification rings]
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Then I woke up
the next morning,
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and he had added me
on Instagram.
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I followed him back,
and just sat there from afar
looking at each other's lives.
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He acts very goofy.
I remember being like,
"This is fun."
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It made him feel interesting.
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[newscaster] Breaking news
tonight as the COVID-19 virus
continues to spread,
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forcing millions of Americans
into lockdown,
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non-essential business
ordered to close.
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[Courtney Vucekovich]
COVID happened in March,
so with everything shut down,
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my business was on pause.
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So you're like, sitting there
with your thoughts.
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It was difficult,
and then June 2020,
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I get an Armie Hammer DM,
a little blue checkmark.
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He just chose to speak to me
one day, so I was like, "Hmm."
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You know, my brain,
I'm like...
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[sighs] "I've been doing
nothing for a month.
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It's COVID.
This is interesting."
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But I was very hesitant
because I see the persona
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that was public,
was he's married
and that he's the father
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of these two beautiful kids.
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So I was like,
"Aren't you married?"
You know?
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He's like, "My wife and I,
we have been separated
for almost two years."
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I've been living in New York.
She lives in LA.
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And I believed it
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because he would send me
text messages
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and call me every day,
constant communication.
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The second he woke up
to we'd fall asleep
on the phone together.
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And immediately he was just
sharing all these things
with me,
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intimate details about
his parents,
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family secrets, and I'm like,
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"Wow, this is, like,
really powerful. He must
feel, like, really safe."
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In return, I felt very safe
telling him mine.
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I had gotten out
of a really, really,
toxic relationship.
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And we were sharing
just very intimate things.
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A lot of the things
we shared were trauma
we experienced as children.
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And it is even
a deeper connection,
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like, really, like, rooted
those bonds for me,
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that he was so vulnerable
to share something
like this with me,
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because I'd never
told anybody.
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I wanted to help him.
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At the same time,
he's blowing me up
with compliments.
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"How could you be
this beautiful? This smart?
So funny?
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You're such a good listener.
You get me."
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It's like, he's like,
"I feel such an intense
connection with you.
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Is that crazy?
Are we being crazy?"
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And I'm just like,
"Maybe we are."
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Between the love bombing
and the attention,
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I felt like
this was all perfect,
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this was amazing,
this was, like,
what we're all taught to think
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is a fairy tale
when we're little.
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Not only is he an actor,
a pretty well-known actor...
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...he was gorgeous
and tall and...
What does he want with me?
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You know, to say,
to say that it didn't have
an effect would...
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I think it would have
an effect on anybody.
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Unfortunately, Armie Hammer
can't be here today,
which is probably better
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because we'd all
be staring at him
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since he's such
a God damn hunk.
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[Ryan Bailey] There's, like,
certain people that if they
shine their light on you,
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you believe, like,
you're the only person
in the room.
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There is an element
of that to Armie.
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[crowd cheering and clapping]
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[Bailey] I know Armie
through acting class.
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We were in the same
Tuesday night acting class
for years.
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I got to watch his,
kind of, rise to stardom.
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Armie had bit player roles
in the beginning.
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He would have a couple
of lines, you know?
It builds a resume.
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Hey! Star dork.
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[Bailey]
And then he got Gossip Girl,
and that was, what?
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Like, a couple of episodes?
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But we were all
in the same kind of boat.
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We were all just scrambling
to try to get auditions.
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The Social Network auditions
kinda hit like a tornado.
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Everybody was auditioning
for these roles, you know?
This is a great opportunity.
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Armie was cast
as the Winklevoss twins.
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They had the idea for Facebook
on the Harvard campus.
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You know, the attributes
are tall, good-looking,
comes from extreme wealth.
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Armie has all of those.
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And I do remember hearing
that David Fincher,
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the director
of The Social Network,
liked Armie's pedigree.
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These are millionaires.
Who knows better than that
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than a descendant
of Armand Hammer?
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I just can't get over
what a great name
"Armie Hammer" is.
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It's just a really hard
name to be when
you're like, five.
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Especially 'cause it's, like,
short for "Armand."
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Which is, like,
a big name
for a little kid, so...
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-You were named for
your great grandfather...
-Yeah.
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...who was the billionaire
owner of, uh,
Occidental Petroleum.
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-Yes.
-Which sounds like
the bad corporation
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-in a Batman movie,
by the way.
-[crowd laughs]
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[Bailey] Armie didn't like
speaking about his family
or his history.
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[Seth Abramovitch]
Having lived in Hollywood
for twenty years,
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you see the name Hammer
on museums and on parks.
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So I knew their family
had a lot of money and power.
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My name is Seth Abramovitch,
and I'm a journalist.
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I write for
the Hollywood Reporter.
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When I interviewed Armie,
he was in awards contention
for Call Me By Your Name,
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and was on
that teetering cusp
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of establishing himself
as a force to be contended
with within Hollywood.
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We started at Holmby Park
in Westwood, at his request.
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There's a big sign that says,
"The Armand Hammer
Golf Course."
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I was like,
"Look, it's your
great grandfather's name."
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[newscaster] Dr. Armand Hammer
has parlayed outstanding
private success
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into public power
as a Chairman and CEO
of Occidental Petroleum,
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a diversified
$16 billion company.
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Dr. Armand Hammer
is one of the world's
leading capitalists.
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[Abramovitch]
Armie's a very handsome actor
who came out of privilege,
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and the history of his family
is very interesting.
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He did not have
a typical childhood.
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So right away I was intrigued
by this person was.
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Armie was born
in Santa Monica, California,
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and he said his father made
an unusual decision,
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which was to move the family
to the Cayman Islands.
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He and his young brother
were brought there
from a young age.
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I was curious why out of all
the places in the world,
the Cayman Islands.
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I associate the Cayman Islands
with offshore bank accounts
that sort of can't be touched.
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So I assumed
it was something financial.
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They returned to Los Angeles,
I think he was
in seventh grade,
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and Armie started pursuing
this idea that he had
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when he was younger,
which was that he wanted
to be an actor.
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The Social Network
absolutely launched
his career.
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He was starring opposite
Justin Timberlake,
Andrew Garfield.
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It was the movie of the year.
That was what made him.
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I remember bumping into him,
and all of a sudden
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there's Armie
in a three-piece suit,
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looking amazing,
looking like a movie star.
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It's official. I have arrived.
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And Elizabeth was with him.
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-I'm here with
my beautiful wife.
-Hi.
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The roles just kept coming
where he was always playing
the handsome man...
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...but the problem
was it was a wave
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of box office bombs
after bombs.
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[Bailey] You know,
these movies weren't hitting.
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What movie besides
Social Network
had really made money?
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Thankfully,
Call Me By Your Name
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happened and got him
buzzing again.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Abramovitch]
There was this buzz
everywhere you looked
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in the run-up to this movie
coming out.
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It just sounded very daring,
very sexy.
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[Francesca Bacardi]
The two of them together
being sexual on screen
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was going to make headlines
no matter what.
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[Abramovitch] He already
was taking a real risk.
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Hollywood loves when an actor
takes a risk like that,
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and so that buzz
is really what pushed him
onto our cover.
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[Bacardi] You were reading
about him all the time.
People cared about him more.
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He, of course, was doing
massive press for the movie
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because he was on
on Oscar campaign.
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[paparazzi] Your fans
want to hear from you.
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At the time, you could say
Armie started
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cosplaying the life
of kind of a perfect
movie star, if you will.
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He seemed to be doing things
the exact right way.
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[Abramovitch] He had
the picture perfect marriage
he had two children.
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Everything he described
was very much lovey dovey
fairy tale.
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He came from this family
of wealth and privilege,
and his career was swimming.
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Generally, you did not get
the whiff of scandal
around him.
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There was one thing
that repeatedly came up
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when I talked to people
and told them
I was profiling him,
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and it was about, that he had
a sort of edgy interest
in BDSM sex.
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I did bring it up,
and he shut me down
pretty decisively.
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He said he has less
of a comment than even
if he had no comment.
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[interviewer] Julia...
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...are you okay to bring up
your phone
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-so we can talk about
some of those examples?
-Yeah.
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[Julia Morrison]
I haven't really
digested this one.
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He says...
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..."I have a fantasy about
having someone prove
their love and devotion
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and tying them up in a public
place at night and making
their body free use
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and seeing if they will fuck
strangers for me."
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[Morrison] When I first saw
that Armie Hammer
was following me,
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it was about a week
before quarantine,
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and I looked up
his Instagram, and I said,
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"Oh, it's the guy
from The Social Network."
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Like, you know,
he's a big movie star, he was
just in Call Me By Your Name.
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I opened up my messages
with the intention
of saying, you know,
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"Hey, thanks for the follow."
Or something like that.
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And I had seen
that he had already
messaged me in 2017.
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And it was this long message.
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He was inquiring about
a series of photographs of me.
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And when I reached out
back to him, almost exactly
three years later...
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...he got back to me
within an hour,
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and then we just
started talking.
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My name is Julia Morrison.
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I am a artist and writer,
uh, based in New York
and Los Angeles.
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That series of artworks
is titled For Arabella,
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by an artist named
Sarah Bahbah.
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They are about
a toxic relationship
and breaking free from that.
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You have, you know,
very existentialist sorts
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of captions
with beautiful girls.
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A lot of them
are quite provocative.
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I did ash him which artworks
of that series he was most
drawn in by.
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He said he liked that photo
of me being choked.
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He started saying
things like,
"God, you're so perfect.
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It's like you were made
for me."
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Which is ironic because,
you know, he just completely
missed the message.
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Being a young woman
in this industry
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where you're modeling,
acting, making art,
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people will shower you
with compliments,
and you're like,
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"Oh, yeah.
Well, my shit's tight."
You know?
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"Like, why wouldn't they
be obsessed with me?"
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[laughing] So, like,
I mean, I don't want to sound,
like, totally full of myself,
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but, no, I was not
fully alarmed at first.
I was more intrigued.
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He invited me to a play
really early on.
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I mean,
within a few hours, really,
of our conversation was,
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you know, "Oh, are you
in New York?
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I'm working on a play here.
Do you want to come?"
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And I was interested in going,
and then lockdown happened.
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Shortly after that,
things became sexual
in conversation.
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It didn't really seem
that unnatural at first for me
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because of the context
of the times that we were
going through in that moment.
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You know, my friends
were telling me about
Zoom dates
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[laughs] and phone sex
with so and so from, you know,
Hinge or Tinder,
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and I'm, you know,
speaking with Armie Hammer
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like this
in my Instagram DM's.
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Once the sexual nature
of the DM's started,
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it was all that he ever wanted
to talk about.
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He says to me,
"Fine, let's be open
and honest.
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"I've wanted to tie you up
since I saw those
god damn pictures
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and messaged you about it."
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"Shibari is how it's spelled.
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It's the Japanese art
of rope bondage
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with its cousin Kinbaku."
For total restraint.
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And then he was saying
to me about how
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if I were to submit
to him, um,
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at the level of, uh,
where he could, you know,
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call me and say one word
and get me to come
on demand,
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um, like Pavlovian dog style.
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Like, kind of getting you
into this, like,
submissive space
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where, like, you know,
he's, you know, the dominant.
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These are messages
that are being sent literally
within seconds of each other.
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You know, very heavy
and very frequent.
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"Let me take care
of everything?"
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"You don't think or worry
about anything except being
a good little pet.
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My own personal little slave."
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"In return you will
be worshipped, fed,
and fucked."
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I was like, like.
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But those little hearts
just means
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that you're engaged
or that you even received it.
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That's totally different
than actually being, like,
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in a intimate space
with someone.
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All of that very forward talk
was just kind of, like,
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back and forth like that
for six months.
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But I did google and see
that he had, you know,
had a family,
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and so I figured a man
who's married
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who is doing that with me,
I'm not naive enough to think
that I'm the only one.
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[Vucekovich] For July 4th,
he tells me he was doing
this road trip.
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He was going Miami to LA,
and he's gonna cross
through Texas.
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And I have had plans
to go into the Hamptons
with some friends.
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It was already set,
and he almost got
upset with me,
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that I was gonna be gone
when he was driving through.
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Somebody had my phone,
they're like,
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"Somebody named Armie
has called you
like 22 times."
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He sends me a picture
when I'm in the Hamptons
of my building in Dallas.
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At this point,
we've never spent
time together.
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So it was weird.
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I remember being like,
"Are we flirting
or is this scary?"
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I get back from New York,
and he left me this note.
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"Oh, this will be
a cute note."
So I open the envelope,
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and it just says,
"I'm going to bite
the fuck out of you."
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And then he autographed
this note.
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I didn't know how to feel
about the note, you know?
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It was, like...
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...he talks so sweetly
sometimes on the phone,
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just, like, compliments
and compliments,
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then you get a note that says,
"I'm going to bite
the fuck out of you."
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As crazy as that sounds,
I took it metaphorically,
not literally.
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I thought he just wanted
the intimacy, the closeness,
wanted us to be together.
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So I chose to look
at it as more flattering
than concerning.
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When I told my friends
about us talking,
I left that part out.
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I think that says a lot.
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[newscaster]
Elizabeth Chambers
and her actor husband,
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Armie Hammer, split.
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On Friday, the movie star
shared the news
in an Instagram post.
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Quote, "It has been
an incredible journey,
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but together, we've decided
to turn the page and move on
from our marriage."
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They released
a joint statement,
interestingly enough,
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so, you know, they were
gonna be super supportive
of each other.
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"This was an amicable split.
We've grown apart.
We've done everything."
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[Bailey] You know,
there's this thing of, like,
if you get married young,
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if you have kids young,
eventually you're gonna have
some sort of midlife crisis
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or something
that you're gonna explore
all of these darker sides.
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Or was that Armie all along?
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[airplane pilot]
We are number one
for departure.
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Please prepare the captains.
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[Vucekovich]
I was coming to LA.
I was coming to see a friend,
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and after
just talking constantly,
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Armie and I were
both, like, okay,
we have to meet.
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And this is a new
experience to me.
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I've never been
with somebody like this.
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[cell phone chiming]
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He's, like, we're
going on an adventure
to the desert.
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This is flirty!
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Fun, different,
but bizarre, risky.
I've never met this man.
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So I'm freaking out.
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I'm so anxious. I didn't know
what was gonna happen.
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When I got to LA,
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the plan was, Armie was
gonna pick me up after I had
dinner with my friends.
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I was very nervous,
and so was he.
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I mean, he was texting
me, like, "I can't believe
this. This... I'm so nervous."
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He pulls his truck up,
and I had my dog,
and I had a little suitcase.
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We saw each other
and we, like, kissed
on the lips immediately.
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And I was, like, I think
we were both, like, whoop?
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What? Like...
It just felt natural.
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I got in the car,
and then we were,
like, off to the desert.
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It was very surreal.
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I had spent, like,
the last month
talking to this person.
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Five hours a day,
and then you're spending
time with each other.
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We spent every day together
for the next three weeks.
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We spent a lotta time
in Twentynine Palms.
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Armie's friend owns
a motel that he's renovating.
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We painted it.
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I have a picture
of my little dog under
this, like, motel sign.
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[camera shutter clicking]
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Right here, this is where
we would have, like, you know,
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like, dinners right here
on this long table.
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Candlelit dinners.
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We didn't leave
each other's side.
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If my chair was a foot
away from his, he's
pulling my chair over.
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He always, like,
his hand's on my leg.
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It's like, even the first day
that we met, his hand was
always just, like, on my knee.
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Like, always needed
to be touching me,
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showing me affection,
making me feel really
comfortable, and really safe.
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It was so hot,
so I'd just be, like,
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in a bikini all day, like,
on the back of his scooter.
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At night, we would
go by the pool
in the back of the motel,
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and, like, put a projector out
and a screen and then
just, like, watch E.T.
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I just felt like,
I don't know, it felt
like another world.
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It felt magical.
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We really connected
just as two people,
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not a famous actor and me,
who's a very private person.
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I'm just a business
owner in Dallas.
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It's so not me
to drop everything
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and leave for a man, that's...
I've never been like that.
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00:28:12,924 --> 00:28:15,424
I think I was starting
to fall for him, for sure.
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I mean, I wouldn't have said,
"I love you," but it was...
It was heading towards that.
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I took a picture right there.
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Just a pose to remember
how happy I am for a second.
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I truly was so fuckin' happy.
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I was like, I can't believe
this is happening to me.
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But there were times that
something didn't feel right.
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This is the first time
at this tractor supply
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that he, like, looked
for those ropes.
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He would take me
in the rope section.
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00:29:01,070 --> 00:29:04,508
They were completely
out of rope and I was just,
like, thankful, you know?
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00:29:04,508 --> 00:29:07,253
Or I'm just, like,
"Okay, let's go!"
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00:29:07,322 --> 00:29:11,213
I think that's when
he sensed that that was
out of my comfort zone,
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00:29:11,282 --> 00:29:13,714
so he kind of softened.
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00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:21,530
One night, he was, like,
"Watch this movie, it's
called The Secretary."
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00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,822
It's one
of his favorite movies.
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00:29:23,892 --> 00:29:27,261
Maggie Gyllenhaal
is the assistant
to this lawyer
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00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,825
What is wrong
with you? That...
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[Vucekovich] He was training
her to be very submissive.
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She acts as the desk,
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00:29:36,745 --> 00:29:42,546
or she'll do the stapler
with her chin, or do
everything for him,
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and just, like, that's
what he wants from me?
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00:29:47,062 --> 00:29:54,252
And there was one thing
that happened to me,
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I don't even like
to think about it.
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00:29:59,950 --> 00:30:04,882
The situation that happened
was something... I didn't...
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00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:11,760
...I think it's
something you speak
about before it's done,
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00:30:12,664 --> 00:30:16,345
and we didn't
speak about this.
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00:30:16,414 --> 00:30:20,792
I... It was something that
has never been done to me,
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00:30:20,792 --> 00:30:24,995
and it is something that
is very degrading,
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00:30:25,065 --> 00:30:26,975
very belittling,
and I just don't...
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00:30:29,546 --> 00:30:31,873
I don't like to...
I don't wanna
put it out there.
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00:30:38,925 --> 00:30:41,635
Then I'm, like,
holy shit! I've gotta
get back to my life,
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00:30:42,503 --> 00:30:43,649
so I go home.
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00:30:50,214 --> 00:30:52,784
I broke down in the shower...
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00:30:54,244 --> 00:30:55,321
crying in the shower.
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00:30:56,780 --> 00:31:00,740
And I had
this wave
of anxiety,
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00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:02,894
it's like my body
was responding,
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00:31:02,894 --> 00:31:04,874
trying to be like, hey,
something's not right.
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00:31:06,332 --> 00:31:08,730
But I... I put it out
of my mind,
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00:31:08,730 --> 00:31:12,516
because when we talk, it's
like, "I miss you so much,
I miss you so much,"
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00:31:12,585 --> 00:31:14,773
"You should move to LA,
be my girlfriend."
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00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:17,484
He needed me,
and it felt nice,
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00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:20,610
and so we saw
each other about
a week later.
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00:31:22,694 --> 00:31:26,863
He's, like, giving
me quality time,
and constant communication,
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00:31:26,863 --> 00:31:30,857
and PDA, you just
feel so loved.
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00:31:33,637 --> 00:31:35,721
When we were together,
it felt good, but when
we were apart,
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00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:39,368
I had this, just, like,
pit in my stomach.
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00:31:39,368 --> 00:31:41,868
We didn't have
the conversation
where we're exclusive,
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00:31:41,868 --> 00:31:45,239
but we have all these talks
where I'm not supposed
to be with anybody,
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00:31:45,308 --> 00:31:46,802
so it's just him.
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00:31:46,802 --> 00:31:48,295
He wants complete
control of me,
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00:31:48,295 --> 00:31:52,325
and I didn't have
the mental capacity
to think about another soul.
442
00:31:52,395 --> 00:31:56,354
Because, you know, usually
he's sending me a thousand
texts and a hundred calls.
443
00:31:56,354 --> 00:32:01,564
I wasn't going on dates,
and that's how he wanted it.
444
00:32:01,564 --> 00:32:04,900
[reporter] Actress
Rumer Willis was spotted
on a date with Armie Hammer.
445
00:32:06,151 --> 00:32:08,895
The couple were photographed
walking around LA.
446
00:32:08,963 --> 00:32:13,063
According to an insider,
he's not looking
for a relationship,
447
00:32:13,132 --> 00:32:16,190
and they denied claims that
he is currently dating anyone.
448
00:32:20,566 --> 00:32:23,276
[Vucekovich] The thing
with Rumer happened and...
449
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,055
...he said it...
450
00:32:27,931 --> 00:32:29,182
...didn't mean anything.
451
00:32:29,182 --> 00:32:32,204
But it's like,
I remember seeing
452
00:32:32,204 --> 00:32:37,727
the way his hand
was around her,
453
00:32:37,727 --> 00:32:40,854
'cause he's very aggressive
with his hands.
454
00:32:40,854 --> 00:32:45,265
He always wanted to be, like,
hand on me, hand on my arm,
hugging me, like, always...
455
00:32:45,265 --> 00:32:47,766
...But, like, the way
he was touching her,
I was just, like...
456
00:32:47,836 --> 00:32:49,712
...Made me feel,
like, even smaller.
457
00:32:49,712 --> 00:32:56,173
And I felt betrayed,
so I tried to end it.
458
00:32:57,666 --> 00:33:02,634
I was supposed to come
back to LA in September.
459
00:33:08,296 --> 00:33:13,159
By this time he had
moved into this
teeny-tiny pool house.
460
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:17,744
So I go to the teeny-tiny
pool house and I'm like,
I'm gonna end it.
461
00:33:17,744 --> 00:33:19,169
When we were
at that pool house,
462
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:21,704
and I was, like,
"You're hurting me,
I can't do this anymore."
463
00:33:23,719 --> 00:33:26,394
He... And he said,
"No, you're... You're
gonna have to block me,
464
00:33:26,394 --> 00:33:27,679
you're gonna have
to do all these things."
465
00:33:30,076 --> 00:33:32,056
I leave, we're both crying.
466
00:33:55,156 --> 00:33:58,526
The next day,
I go to my friend's
in Beverly Hills,
467
00:33:58,596 --> 00:34:03,493
and we were on a walk
and he showed up
on his scooter,
468
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:06,933
where we were
walking, he had
my location on his phone.
469
00:34:06,933 --> 00:34:11,726
And... And I fell
right back into it.
470
00:34:11,726 --> 00:34:12,803
I thought it was romantic.
471
00:34:13,603 --> 00:34:15,825
I thought this...
He's fighting for me.
472
00:34:15,825 --> 00:34:18,848
And instead of going
back to Dallas, we went
on another road trip.
473
00:34:24,857 --> 00:34:27,150
I think when you really
care for somebody,
474
00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:31,874
it's kind a crazy
what your mind is willing
to look past or justify.
475
00:34:33,924 --> 00:34:38,752
But then... There, you know,
there's these things
that keep happening that...
476
00:34:38,821 --> 00:34:43,963
Just... I would have,
like, hand marks, like,
that would stay on my body.
477
00:34:46,638 --> 00:34:49,035
I think Armie took
that picture.
478
00:34:49,035 --> 00:34:50,806
He bites really hard...
479
00:34:52,161 --> 00:34:55,322
...and he tells you to wear
them like a badge of honor.
480
00:34:55,392 --> 00:34:58,761
Almost like he convinced
me that I'm lucky to have it.
481
00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:03,416
It's like... As fucked up
as that sounds,
482
00:35:03,416 --> 00:35:06,577
at that time, I was
interpreting that as love.
483
00:35:06,647 --> 00:35:09,286
Like, looking at it now
makes me sick.
484
00:35:09,356 --> 00:35:13,419
And he pushes
your boundaries
a little bit at a time.
485
00:35:14,984 --> 00:35:17,519
And then the tone
of the next trip
486
00:35:17,588 --> 00:35:20,819
just felt different
from the very beginning.
487
00:35:28,149 --> 00:35:29,989
[door closing]
488
00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:35,027
This time when he picked
me up, I saw a brown bag
and it had ropes in it.
489
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,205
We drove through Sedona.
490
00:35:47,289 --> 00:35:48,366
We get to this hotel.
491
00:35:50,624 --> 00:35:52,916
We have dinner.
492
00:35:52,916 --> 00:35:58,126
There's this gin,
vermouth, like, it's...
He orders four a these,
493
00:35:58,126 --> 00:36:00,315
I've had one margarita.
494
00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:04,693
And it's like, we're
not getting along.
495
00:36:05,353 --> 00:36:07,506
He's in a weird mood.
496
00:36:07,506 --> 00:36:12,300
Nothing about the moment
felt good. And then
he mentions the ropes.
497
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:13,863
I was... My heart dropped
in my stomach.
498
00:36:17,754 --> 00:36:22,513
He told me he's
only ever tied up
mannequins, never people.
499
00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:26,786
He wants to share this
with me. His fantasy,
this experience.
500
00:36:28,175 --> 00:36:30,676
Something new that he's
never tried with anybody.
501
00:36:36,616 --> 00:36:38,979
So then I was, like,
"I'm really not in the mood,
I don't feel good.
502
00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:40,264
I don't feel well."
503
00:36:40,334 --> 00:36:43,911
He was just like... Acted mad,
like, would look away, like,
504
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:46,482
I... I just was like,
how do I get outta this?
505
00:36:57,563 --> 00:37:01,696
And then that night,
he was drunk,
I was not,
506
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:08,679
and... I didn't say, "No."
507
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,159
Um, I said, "I didn't
feel good," I... I said
everything except, "No."
508
00:37:14,411 --> 00:37:18,301
[distorted] โช No you don't
have to try โช
509
00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:23,999
[Vucekovich] So he puts
on this creepy playlist,
510
00:37:24,762 --> 00:37:25,805
and...
511
00:37:30,251 --> 00:37:31,189
Just like...
512
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:34,558
Like...
513
00:37:35,809 --> 00:37:39,108
It's... The ropes were
around your neck,
514
00:37:39,108 --> 00:37:42,027
your wrists, your ankles,
behind your back.
515
00:37:42,027 --> 00:37:42,965
It's like...
516
00:37:42,965 --> 00:37:44,771
โช Thy will be done โช
517
00:37:44,841 --> 00:37:48,419
It was... I mean,
I had bruises,
I had... I hated it.
518
00:37:48,487 --> 00:37:53,386
It's like, I understand
that if this is, like,
your fantasy,
519
00:37:53,386 --> 00:37:55,991
or this is your thing...
520
00:37:55,991 --> 00:38:00,507
...more power to you,
but this was not... I didn't
like it, and it's like...
521
00:38:01,515 --> 00:38:03,703
it didn't feel
safe, or like...
522
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:09,644
I didn't feel, like, loved,
or it was just horrible.
523
00:38:09,644 --> 00:38:12,492
And you're like,
completely immobilized.
524
00:38:12,492 --> 00:38:16,522
And it's like, there's
something about trauma...
525
00:38:18,189 --> 00:38:20,897
...while you're immobilized
and can't move.
526
00:38:20,897 --> 00:38:24,128
There's that fight or flight,
you can't do either,
you're just stuck there.
527
00:38:24,128 --> 00:38:27,881
And I'm just closing
my eyes until it ended and...
528
00:38:29,444 --> 00:38:33,091
...and we just... He just went
to sleep like it was nothing.
529
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:35,731
Can we take a break?
530
00:38:41,671 --> 00:38:46,013
[Vucekovich] I almost
didn't wanna make it real
by writing it down, but...
531
00:38:47,854 --> 00:38:51,745
After that night,
this is what I took
away from it.
532
00:38:53,725 --> 00:38:57,824
"Armie wanted total control
of me and absolute compliance,
533
00:38:58,936 --> 00:39:01,750
destroying any sense
of bodily autonomy.
534
00:39:03,209 --> 00:39:05,015
His ultimate fantasy."
535
00:39:09,253 --> 00:39:13,317
After that scenario
in Sedona, I really started
to, kind of, unravel.
536
00:39:13,317 --> 00:39:15,402
It didn't sit well with me,
537
00:39:15,402 --> 00:39:19,604
but then it's followed up
with him pulling
me even closer.
538
00:39:19,674 --> 00:39:21,445
And being, like, "I want
you to meet my mom,"
539
00:39:22,522 --> 00:39:26,031
which is huge to me.
540
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:31,033
I think that's
a really big deal,
like, it felt like, okay...
541
00:39:31,033 --> 00:39:35,098
You know, I'm just clinging
to, like, little things
to make this okay.
542
00:39:38,154 --> 00:39:42,497
The situation with the ropes
was three days
before I met his mom.
543
00:39:42,497 --> 00:39:45,832
But at that point,
it was kind of like
a Band-Aid on a bullet wound.
544
00:39:45,901 --> 00:39:48,263
There was just, like...
Too much had happened.
545
00:39:49,409 --> 00:39:53,786
We broke up two days
after meeting his mom.
546
00:40:03,026 --> 00:40:06,187
I knew something about him
would come up in the future,
547
00:40:06,256 --> 00:40:08,132
because I know
how careless he is.
548
00:40:08,132 --> 00:40:13,447
I know how he texts,
and he just leaves trails
of all his madness everywhere.
549
00:40:25,154 --> 00:40:26,474
[dog barking]
550
00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:32,205
[computer starting up]
551
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:35,958
[typing]
552
00:40:38,562 --> 00:40:41,273
[Candice Cronkhite]
I woke up on the second
week of January.
553
00:40:41,273 --> 00:40:43,564
I got my coffee, I sat down.
554
00:40:43,564 --> 00:40:45,753
I started opening up Twitter
and combing through.
555
00:40:47,004 --> 00:40:51,277
My name is Candice Cronkhite
and my IG handle is BBFBravo.
556
00:40:52,632 --> 00:40:55,236
I've always been interested
in anything with pop culture.
557
00:40:55,236 --> 00:40:57,077
I really liked, you know,
558
00:40:57,077 --> 00:40:59,510
deep diving people's
backgrounds and why are
they the way that they are,
559
00:40:59,510 --> 00:41:03,678
and curating things
that the public may
not know about a person.
560
00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:09,480
I passed by a screenshot
of a DM with the headline,
561
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,057
"Armie Hammer's Ex-Girlfriend
Is Leaking His DM's."
562
00:41:20,038 --> 00:41:23,027
All of these screen grabs
that were pulled on Twitter
563
00:41:23,027 --> 00:41:27,577
were coming from a anonymous
account called houseofeffie.
564
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:34,143
When I opened
up that first text,
it was shocking.
565
00:41:46,614 --> 00:41:51,406
The content that you're
reading and you're like,
okay, this is a little kinky,
566
00:41:51,406 --> 00:41:54,533
to progressively getting
darker and darker.
567
00:41:56,201 --> 00:41:59,293
Like, "this is shocking"
to "this is disturbing."
568
00:42:03,322 --> 00:42:09,992
After a couple a text
messages, I would see this
one posted by houseofeffie.
569
00:42:30,591 --> 00:42:36,566
You know that there are some
kinky things, or things
that you are unfamiliar with,
570
00:42:36,636 --> 00:42:41,533
but the idea that somebody
gets off on raping somebody,
571
00:42:41,533 --> 00:42:45,181
and that is what they're
pretending to do,
572
00:42:45,181 --> 00:42:51,538
it's... It's... I...
[stammering] I can't...
It's just really... Sick.
573
00:42:57,096 --> 00:42:59,076
And so I couldn't stop.
574
00:42:59,144 --> 00:43:03,313
I had to do a story on it,
because I could tell that
this was gonna be big.
575
00:43:03,313 --> 00:43:06,753
Armie Hammer has
been in hot water
over leaked texts.
576
00:43:06,753 --> 00:43:09,914
Because of the community
guidelines, I'm not going
to say what that's about,
577
00:43:09,984 --> 00:43:12,902
but you could head
over to my IG highlights
to see for yourself.
578
00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:17,278
Sadly, I saw people
laugh it off
579
00:43:17,278 --> 00:43:19,293
and not believe
houseofeffie
580
00:43:19,363 --> 00:43:21,377
and give it
the attention it deserves.
581
00:43:29,297 --> 00:43:30,478
[text message chimes]
582
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:37,079
In January, I see a message
from the DeuxMoi account,
583
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,093
a gossip account.
584
00:43:39,163 --> 00:43:41,560
She knew that Armie
and I had been together
in a relationship,
585
00:43:42,845 --> 00:43:45,798
because my name had
already been leaked...
586
00:43:47,082 --> 00:43:49,758
...and so, DeuxMoi
would talk about it.
587
00:43:51,182 --> 00:43:55,455
The DeuxMoi account was
posting these screenshots
588
00:43:55,523 --> 00:43:58,130
from an account called
houseofeffie,
589
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:01,776
and they were really
sexually violent messages.
590
00:44:03,062 --> 00:44:05,008
So, she messaged me...
591
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:07,856
"Is this true?"
592
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,260
I know how this man speaks.
593
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:14,317
I could write a text
for him, I've seen
them a million times.
594
00:44:14,387 --> 00:44:18,450
I know the language he uses,
punctuation he uses.
595
00:44:21,022 --> 00:44:22,619
He always used
the word kitten.
596
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:26,267
He'd be like,
"hi, my little kitten."
597
00:44:27,205 --> 00:44:30,610
That was very common.
598
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:33,388
The messages that
House of Effie was showing,
599
00:44:34,326 --> 00:44:37,973
he said this exact
same word to me.
600
00:44:37,973 --> 00:44:40,023
You know, I was like,
"that's 100% true,
that's Armie."
601
00:44:51,278 --> 00:44:52,667
At that point,
602
00:44:52,667 --> 00:44:57,114
I just wanted to validate what
houseofeffie was saying.
603
00:45:12,989 --> 00:45:16,809
The next morning,
my life just blew up.
604
00:45:18,269 --> 00:45:21,083
[reporter 1]
Armie Hammer's ex-girlfriend,
Courtney Vucekovich...
605
00:45:21,083 --> 00:45:22,612
[reporter 2]
Courtney Vucekovich
has come forward
606
00:45:22,612 --> 00:45:24,938
with claims against
her ex, Armie Hammer...
607
00:45:24,938 --> 00:45:27,335
[Bacardi] Once Courtney was
willing to go on the record,
608
00:45:27,335 --> 00:45:30,011
this story blew wide open.
609
00:45:30,011 --> 00:45:34,317
It was about abuse
and power and gaslighting.
610
00:45:35,672 --> 00:45:38,729
He said things like he wanted
to barbecue and eat her.
611
00:45:40,883 --> 00:45:42,862
[reporter 1] What is
happening with Armie Hammer?
612
00:45:42,862 --> 00:45:45,920
[reporter 2] Disturbing
and racy messages allegedly
sent to women
613
00:45:45,988 --> 00:45:49,914
by the actor Armie Hammer
are trending on Twitter.
614
00:45:49,914 --> 00:45:53,701
[reporter 3] Shocking DMs
allegedly from Armie Hammer's
public accounts
615
00:45:53,771 --> 00:45:57,036
are going viral
on social media.
616
00:45:57,036 --> 00:46:00,405
[reporter 4] His sexually
graphic texts and DMs
are dominating.
617
00:46:00,474 --> 00:46:04,642
BDSM and even
cannibalism began trending.
618
00:46:04,642 --> 00:46:06,936
I think this specific
one that she posted
619
00:46:06,936 --> 00:46:09,333
really shocked people.
620
00:46:12,042 --> 00:46:14,439
I mean, he said,
"I'm 100% a cannibal."
621
00:46:17,183 --> 00:46:19,094
He's, like, "fuck, it feels
weird even saying that,"
622
00:46:19,094 --> 00:46:21,630
and I can picture him
saying that so vividly.
623
00:46:26,077 --> 00:46:29,653
And then he said that he shot
a deer and then ate its heart.
624
00:46:39,902 --> 00:46:42,090
There's this whole, then,
darker underbelly
that just starts
625
00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,078
getting you sicker and sicker.
626
00:46:45,078 --> 00:46:48,516
He's talking about
wanting to eat flesh.
627
00:46:48,516 --> 00:46:51,642
Really, really, really
horrific things and imagery.
628
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,930
Where does this end?
Where does this go?
629
00:47:01,161 --> 00:47:04,635
At this point people were just
running with the cannibalism.
630
00:47:04,635 --> 00:47:07,101
โช I'm loco Four Loko
mad like Hannibal โช
631
00:47:07,101 --> 00:47:09,706
โช but not like Armie Hammer
that dude's a cannibal โช
632
00:47:12,798 --> 00:47:16,480
[Vucekovich] Nobody cared
about anything except
the word cannibal.
633
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,302
Pretending like it
was all a joke didn't
sit well with me
634
00:47:20,302 --> 00:47:22,073
because it wasn't a joke.
635
00:47:25,964 --> 00:47:27,284
[Bailey]
Now it's entertainment.
636
00:47:27,284 --> 00:47:30,723
Now we're, like,
we're leaned in
637
00:47:30,793 --> 00:47:33,432
waiting to see
how dark this is.
638
00:47:33,432 --> 00:47:35,934
[reporter]
While the DMs
remain unverified,
639
00:47:35,934 --> 00:47:38,365
the stories have
kept coming in.
640
00:47:38,365 --> 00:47:42,012
Once Courtney came
forward, other women
started coming forward.
641
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:47,501
One of them was
the writer, Jessica.
642
00:47:47,501 --> 00:47:51,043
She had said, "if anyone's
questioning whether these
DMs are real,
643
00:47:51,043 --> 00:47:52,433
I'm here to tell
you that they are."
644
00:47:55,212 --> 00:47:57,714
[Bacardi] Paige Lorenze
was another woman involved
645
00:47:57,714 --> 00:47:59,276
with Armie Hammer.
646
00:47:59,276 --> 00:48:03,793
She told her whole story
and she did not hold back.
647
00:48:03,862 --> 00:48:06,364
He kind of just took
me in under his wing
and he really
648
00:48:07,406 --> 00:48:09,281
was so all-consuming,
649
00:48:09,351 --> 00:48:11,991
and he made me feel
like it was a safe space,
650
00:48:11,991 --> 00:48:13,242
made me feel like
this was normal,
651
00:48:13,242 --> 00:48:16,160
he made me feel like this
was gonna be fun and sexy,
652
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,119
but I think he used BDSM
as, like, a smokescreen,
653
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,454
ultimately, to hurt women
and inflict pain on women,
654
00:48:23,454 --> 00:48:24,879
which is the scariest part.
655
00:48:26,581 --> 00:48:30,367
Hollywood is a very
business-oriented industry,
656
00:48:30,367 --> 00:48:34,467
and now after Me Too
happened and Time's Up,
657
00:48:34,467 --> 00:48:37,106
nobody is taking
a chance on anybody.
658
00:48:37,106 --> 00:48:38,669
[reporter]
The actor Armie Hammer
659
00:48:38,669 --> 00:48:41,553
has been dropped
from the upcoming film
Shotgun Wedding,
660
00:48:41,553 --> 00:48:44,331
which he was due to be
starring in opposite
Jennifer Lopez.
661
00:48:44,401 --> 00:48:46,103
Armie said in a statement,
662
00:48:46,103 --> 00:48:48,986
"in light of the vicious
and spurious online
attacks against me,
663
00:48:48,986 --> 00:48:51,486
I cannot in good conscience
now leave my children
664
00:48:51,486 --> 00:48:53,466
for four months
to shoot a film."
665
00:48:53,466 --> 00:48:58,053
As soon as allegations
start to come out that
seem to have substance,
666
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:00,450
they're dropping you
like a hot potato.
667
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:04,618
WME immediately
dropped Armie Hammer.
668
00:49:04,688 --> 00:49:07,814
Armie Hammer has been
fighting for his career
669
00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:10,350
after being plagued
by a social media scandal.
670
00:49:17,645 --> 00:49:19,381
[Cronkhite] It was always
talking about how,
671
00:49:19,381 --> 00:49:21,813
"what is Armie going to do?
He lost this movie deal."
672
00:49:23,688 --> 00:49:25,808
Nobody was talking
about the victims.
673
00:49:25,877 --> 00:49:29,317
I just felt like I couldn't
leave the story alone.
674
00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:34,214
I really wanted to figure
out more about him.
675
00:49:34,214 --> 00:49:37,271
Wondering what different
things has he dropped
676
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:38,626
that we have all been missing.
677
00:49:40,884 --> 00:49:43,802
The first thing I saw
was a interview,
678
00:49:43,802 --> 00:49:48,109
one where he was talking
about tying a rope within
30 seconds...
679
00:49:48,179 --> 00:49:50,367
People get thrilled when you
pull out rope at a party.
680
00:49:50,437 --> 00:49:51,479
-Uh...
-[audience laugh]
681
00:49:51,479 --> 00:49:54,328
...and it was, like,
"hmm, that's weird."
682
00:49:54,328 --> 00:49:57,140
You look through the Twitter,
you look through Instagram,
683
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:59,955
you look at who he's
following on Instagram,
684
00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:01,831
He followed a lot
of shibari accounts,
685
00:50:01,831 --> 00:50:05,269
which is a form
of Japanese bondage.
686
00:50:05,269 --> 00:50:08,326
A lot of women
in suggestive poses.
687
00:50:08,326 --> 00:50:12,529
And then there was
an article on Playboy.
688
00:50:14,232 --> 00:50:17,150
[Bacardi] Armie Hammer
in Playboy said
689
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:19,721
he likes rough sex,
he likes to pull hair.
690
00:50:19,721 --> 00:50:23,020
Maybe a bit of choking,
but he would never
do it to his wife
691
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,584
because he respects
her too much.
692
00:50:26,633 --> 00:50:29,656
[Cronkhite] I found DMs
that were showing more texts
693
00:50:29,656 --> 00:50:32,399
and more and more
and more content
694
00:50:32,468 --> 00:50:37,263
relating to him being
involved in the BDSM world.
695
00:50:37,263 --> 00:50:39,799
At that point I was
just confused about it
696
00:50:39,867 --> 00:50:40,945
beyond Fifty Shades of Grey.
697
00:50:42,994 --> 00:50:44,732
Soon enough, I found out that
698
00:50:44,732 --> 00:50:47,093
if you set these
pre-determined boundaries
699
00:50:47,162 --> 00:50:49,282
and they're crossed
over and over again,
700
00:50:49,352 --> 00:50:50,532
that is a problem.
701
00:51:00,086 --> 00:51:01,579
The more research
that I've done,
702
00:51:01,648 --> 00:51:03,559
the more I found that
these things that he did
703
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,963
are actually not BDSM,
but he's calling them BDSM.
704
00:51:06,963 --> 00:51:10,715
But it's actually just
unsafe, um, behavior
705
00:51:10,715 --> 00:51:13,042
that would, you know,
normally be criminal.
706
00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:19,191
When I looked into it,
you could clearly tell
this was not BDSM.
707
00:51:20,094 --> 00:51:21,032
It was getting darker.
708
00:51:21,866 --> 00:51:23,637
This looked like abuse.
709
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:32,496
[Bacardi] And then Effie
of Instagram account
houseofeffie came forward.
710
00:51:32,565 --> 00:51:36,038
She had hired famed
attorney, Gloria Allred,
711
00:51:36,038 --> 00:51:37,672
who's known
for advocating for women.
712
00:51:38,644 --> 00:51:41,353
Effie is 24 years old,
713
00:51:41,353 --> 00:51:43,646
and she lives in Europe.
714
00:51:43,646 --> 00:51:48,647
She had a romantic
and an intimate relationship
with Armie Hammer
715
00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:53,754
on and off between
2016 to 2020.
716
00:51:53,754 --> 00:51:58,340
Effie issued a statement that
was an absolute bombshell.
717
00:52:02,613 --> 00:52:05,183
[Gloria Allred]
I'm attorney Gloria Allred.
718
00:52:05,183 --> 00:52:08,553
I'm a women's rights
attorney in Los Angeles.
719
00:52:08,553 --> 00:52:11,124
I'm a partner in a law firm.
720
00:52:11,124 --> 00:52:14,944
I deal with many victims
of rape, sexual assault...
721
00:52:16,473 --> 00:52:17,688
...and sexual harassment.
722
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,512
I do represent Effie.
723
00:52:26,582 --> 00:52:30,194
Victims need to have
support if they're going to...
724
00:52:30,194 --> 00:52:33,009
...come forward against
a rich, powerful,
famous figure.
725
00:52:34,501 --> 00:52:36,135
They shouldn't have
to do it alone.
726
00:52:37,627 --> 00:52:40,615
Doing it alone is
dangerous, it's frightening.
727
00:52:42,214 --> 00:52:44,090
This is not
for the faint of heart.
728
00:52:48,813 --> 00:52:52,635
I met Armie Hammer
on Facebook in 2016
729
00:52:52,635 --> 00:52:54,197
when I was 20 years old.
730
00:52:56,281 --> 00:52:58,679
The relationship
progressed rapidly
731
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,250
and the emotions from both
sides became really intense.
732
00:53:02,848 --> 00:53:05,660
He would often test
my devotion to him
733
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:08,683
by removing and crossing
my boundaries
734
00:53:08,683 --> 00:53:10,767
as he became
increasingly more violent.
735
00:53:12,955 --> 00:53:17,055
He abused me mentally,
emotionally and sexually.
736
00:53:18,375 --> 00:53:19,418
[sobbing]
737
00:53:23,586 --> 00:53:25,983
[Vucekovich]
How can you see somebody...
738
00:53:25,983 --> 00:53:29,213
...breaking down like that
and not feel for it...
739
00:53:30,256 --> 00:53:33,174
...and, oh,
it was hard to watch.
740
00:53:34,528 --> 00:53:35,570
[sobbing]
741
00:53:38,662 --> 00:53:42,448
On April 24th, 2017,
Armie Hammer...
742
00:53:44,741 --> 00:53:48,979
...violently raped me
for over four hours
in Los Angeles...
743
00:53:50,681 --> 00:53:54,676
...during which he repeatedly
slapped my head against a wall
744
00:53:54,744 --> 00:53:55,787
bruising my face.
745
00:53:57,871 --> 00:53:59,435
[over phone]
During those four hours,
746
00:53:59,435 --> 00:54:02,179
I tried to get away,
but he wouldn't let me.
747
00:54:06,556 --> 00:54:10,203
The way that she was
speaking through her story
748
00:54:10,203 --> 00:54:15,796
through tears, and her
conviction about what
she had been through,
749
00:54:15,796 --> 00:54:18,297
I just thought, you know,
every woman thinks,
750
00:54:18,367 --> 00:54:19,999
"oh, God, that could
have been me,"
751
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:22,882
you know, and it's been
really close to being me,
752
00:54:22,882 --> 00:54:25,314
and in other situations,
it has been me.
753
00:54:25,384 --> 00:54:28,336
So, I was really grateful,
754
00:54:28,406 --> 00:54:32,853
um, for what she
had done in her bravery
of coming forward.
755
00:54:34,937 --> 00:54:38,514
[Bacardi] She came forward
and told everything...
756
00:54:38,514 --> 00:54:41,224
He also committed other
acts of violence against me
757
00:54:41,294 --> 00:54:42,787
to which I did not consent.
758
00:54:51,437 --> 00:54:55,293
...and it launched a police
investigation within the LAPD.
759
00:54:55,293 --> 00:54:59,113
[reporter] The actor Armie
Hammer has been confirmed
as the suspect
760
00:54:59,113 --> 00:55:01,336
in an alleged
sexual assault case
761
00:55:01,336 --> 00:55:03,525
by the Los Angeles
Police Department.
762
00:55:03,525 --> 00:55:06,478
[Bacardi] Right now,
Armie's being represented
by Andrew Brettler
763
00:55:06,478 --> 00:55:10,195
who's known for his
defense of people accused
764
00:55:10,195 --> 00:55:12,558
of sexual abuse
or sexual misconduct,
765
00:55:12,558 --> 00:55:16,030
and that seemed
a very strategic move.
766
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:19,262
And in a statement vehemently
denied any wrongdoing
767
00:55:19,262 --> 00:55:20,408
on behalf of his client.
768
00:55:21,971 --> 00:55:24,681
I know his attorney well,
769
00:55:24,681 --> 00:55:26,557
we've had many cases...
770
00:55:28,258 --> 00:55:31,871
...against that firm, and I
have said many years ago
771
00:55:31,871 --> 00:55:33,435
and it's still true today,
772
00:55:33,435 --> 00:55:36,179
that firm represents
Hollywood bad boys...
773
00:55:37,672 --> 00:55:39,375
...and I represent
the women they hurt.
774
00:55:44,063 --> 00:55:47,155
Even in BDSM relationships,
775
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:50,316
consent is still
at the heart of it.
776
00:56:01,051 --> 00:56:05,115
It doesn't mean that
anyone can do anything...
777
00:56:06,192 --> 00:56:09,284
...to anyone during
a sexual relationship.
778
00:56:09,284 --> 00:56:12,236
If she withdraws her consent,
779
00:56:12,305 --> 00:56:14,911
and he continues,
that's a crime.
780
00:56:16,057 --> 00:56:17,411
Simple as that.
781
00:56:18,697 --> 00:56:20,955
Kinky is not against the law.
782
00:56:21,511 --> 00:56:22,831
Rape is.
783
00:56:29,397 --> 00:56:31,759
[Lauren Skae]
I do think a lot
of women and men
784
00:56:31,759 --> 00:56:34,189
can relate to engaging
with somebody
785
00:56:34,189 --> 00:56:36,587
who presented themselves
786
00:56:36,587 --> 00:56:39,644
in an almost too good to be
true way in the beginning
787
00:56:39,714 --> 00:56:42,632
that was really just
a manipulation tactic
788
00:56:42,632 --> 00:56:44,716
that led to really
bad behavior.
789
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,321
My name is Lauren Skae,
790
00:56:47,321 --> 00:56:49,578
I go by the Zen Blonde
on social media.
791
00:56:51,073 --> 00:56:52,983
Okay, so, Armie's
lawyers have spoken,
792
00:56:53,053 --> 00:56:54,477
and they called these
claims outrageous
793
00:56:54,477 --> 00:56:57,256
and said that all of his
encounters were consensual.
794
00:56:57,326 --> 00:56:59,548
So, I saw the Armie Hammer
case unfolding,
795
00:56:59,618 --> 00:57:02,466
and in hearing all
these stories, I wanted
to amplify them
796
00:57:02,536 --> 00:57:06,184
because I wanted to push
them towards justice.
797
00:57:06,184 --> 00:57:08,059
I had so many tips coming in,
798
00:57:08,129 --> 00:57:09,831
and it wasn't just
tips about Armie,
799
00:57:09,831 --> 00:57:11,845
it was tips about
the whole family.
800
00:57:11,915 --> 00:57:14,000
Armie Hammer's not
only a famous actor,
801
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,265
but a famous actor whose
family is an institution.
802
00:57:17,334 --> 00:57:20,043
And then, eventually,
my friend tipped me off
803
00:57:20,043 --> 00:57:23,379
that the Hammer family
was crazy and that there
were a few books about it.
804
00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:27,964
Casey Hammer
is Armie Hammer's aunt.
805
00:57:28,034 --> 00:57:29,840
I found Casey's
book on Audible,
806
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,904
so I downloaded it,
and immediately
started listening to it,
807
00:57:33,904 --> 00:57:37,968
and literally, like, could not
believe what I was hearing.
808
00:57:37,968 --> 00:57:39,149
[Casey Hammer]
"That is when I understood
809
00:57:39,219 --> 00:57:41,129
that the red down her
front was blood.
810
00:57:42,241 --> 00:57:45,646
She was screaming
for my father to stop.
811
00:57:45,646 --> 00:57:49,154
I could see pain and fear
shooting out from her eyes.
812
00:57:49,222 --> 00:57:51,238
I heard her voice in my head,
813
00:57:51,307 --> 00:57:53,114
'Run! Run!'
814
00:57:54,087 --> 00:57:55,893
I was paralyzed with fear."
815
00:57:58,186 --> 00:58:00,686
I was so infuriated
by the book.
816
00:58:00,686 --> 00:58:03,708
For me, like,
just observing it from afar,
817
00:58:03,708 --> 00:58:07,876
it seemed like it was
a multi-generational trend.
818
00:58:07,876 --> 00:58:11,525
That very, like,
wealthy, privileged men
819
00:58:11,595 --> 00:58:16,944
got away with different
bad things throughout
these generations.
820
00:58:17,014 --> 00:58:19,028
And then I'm on Google,
and I'm, like,
821
00:58:19,028 --> 00:58:20,591
"I can't be the one
that tied this together,
822
00:58:20,591 --> 00:58:22,120
I can't be the one
that tied this together,
823
00:58:22,154 --> 00:58:25,281
this has to be something
that's known, I'm just
late to the story."
824
00:58:25,351 --> 00:58:27,365
And then realizing
that nobody knows this
825
00:58:27,435 --> 00:58:28,963
and then feeling like...
826
00:58:30,005 --> 00:58:31,638
...I need to put this
out immediately,
827
00:58:31,638 --> 00:58:33,929
this needs to immediately
become part of the narrative.
828
00:58:35,909 --> 00:58:37,648
I'm gonna let everyone
catch up with the Armie stuff,
829
00:58:37,648 --> 00:58:40,496
but I have a new development,
his aunt wrote a book about
their family.
830
00:58:40,496 --> 00:58:42,893
And let me tell you the stuff
didn't start with Armie.
831
00:58:42,963 --> 00:58:46,331
He is the great grandson
of Armand Hammer,
an oil tycoon.
832
00:58:46,331 --> 00:58:50,153
His son, Julian,
who would be Armie's
grandfather, was insane.
833
00:58:50,153 --> 00:58:52,897
He beat the living
daylights out of his wife.
834
00:58:52,897 --> 00:58:55,294
I posted everything
in rapid succession
835
00:58:55,294 --> 00:58:57,274
as I was still
listening to the book.
836
00:58:58,802 --> 00:59:00,574
The first video
started going viral,
837
00:59:00,574 --> 00:59:02,519
and then everyone jumped
to the videos after,
838
00:59:02,589 --> 00:59:06,445
and some people were
literally watching them live.
839
00:59:06,445 --> 00:59:10,092
She ended up finding
photos of her dad, again,
Armie's grandfather,
840
00:59:10,092 --> 00:59:12,246
watching as one
of the housekeepers
841
00:59:12,246 --> 00:59:13,948
performed a sexual
act on another man.
842
00:59:13,982 --> 00:59:18,116
I have to say, like,
things exploded
on TikTok really quickly.
843
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,409
It grew overnight.
844
00:59:22,285 --> 00:59:24,369
When it started going
viral, I was, like,
845
00:59:24,369 --> 00:59:26,279
"oh, no, this is a real human,
846
00:59:26,349 --> 00:59:28,433
I should have maybe alerted
her that I was doing this."
847
00:59:32,602 --> 00:59:36,145
[Casey] I remember someone
texted me and said,
848
00:59:36,145 --> 00:59:38,959
"someone's blowing
you up on TikTok."
849
00:59:38,959 --> 00:59:41,043
I remember pulling
up that video
850
00:59:41,043 --> 00:59:44,655
and I was watching
comments on the screen.
851
00:59:44,655 --> 00:59:47,678
Things like, "are you
sure it's his aunt?
852
00:59:47,678 --> 00:59:49,589
Did anybody do a DNA test?"
853
00:59:50,318 --> 00:59:51,777
I mean, it makes sense.
854
00:59:52,715 --> 00:59:54,625
I had been erased
from the family.
855
00:59:55,911 --> 00:59:59,488
[Skae] She actually
reposted me on Instagram.
856
00:59:59,488 --> 01:00:02,060
She said, "I don't know
who you are, but thank you."
857
01:00:02,060 --> 01:00:04,560
[Casey] Part of me
was kind of pleased
858
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,200
because the world
was finding out,
859
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:08,590
and the other
part of me was...
860
01:00:09,944 --> 01:00:11,750
"oh, my God, I'm dead.
861
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:13,349
My brother's gonna
fucking kill me."
862
01:00:16,961 --> 01:00:18,838
What Armie is experiencing...
863
01:00:20,087 --> 01:00:22,763
came from, I'm convinced...
864
01:00:22,832 --> 01:00:25,541
...maybe even further
back than my grandfather.
865
01:00:25,541 --> 01:00:27,556
Because you just
don't wake up...
866
01:00:28,703 --> 01:00:31,274
...and become this dark...
867
01:00:32,524 --> 01:00:35,546
...controller, abuser.
868
01:00:35,546 --> 01:00:37,942
There has to be
a seed that's planted.
869
01:00:42,459 --> 01:00:44,925
My grandfather built
an oil empire.
870
01:00:44,925 --> 01:00:47,114
He had politicians
in his back pocket,
871
01:00:47,114 --> 01:00:48,990
so, he never took
no for an answer.
872
01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:51,074
His life was
all about secrets.
873
01:00:52,671 --> 01:00:55,485
My father had loaded
guns all over the house.
874
01:00:56,180 --> 01:00:57,952
He used to shoot at me.
875
01:00:57,952 --> 01:00:59,688
-[gunshot]
-[Casey] It was terrifying.
876
01:01:01,183 --> 01:01:03,371
That's the sign
of a true monster.
877
01:01:03,371 --> 01:01:07,122
You can look in the mirror
and not see any fault
878
01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:08,686
or that you're doing
anything wrong.
879
01:01:08,686 --> 01:01:11,812
And that's how deep
it goes with my brother,
880
01:01:11,812 --> 01:01:15,702
and that's why he's so scary
because he has no conscience.
881
01:01:17,093 --> 01:01:19,281
Now, it's Armie.
882
01:01:19,281 --> 01:01:23,657
Every generation in my
family has been involved
in dark misdeeds,
883
01:01:23,657 --> 01:01:27,270
and it just gets worse
and worse and worse.
884
01:01:27,340 --> 01:01:31,508
There's so much beneath
the surface that now is
finally coming to light.
885
01:01:33,975 --> 01:01:37,205
My name is Casey Hammer,
and I'm about to reveal
886
01:01:37,205 --> 01:01:40,019
the dark twisted secrets
of the Hammer family.
76904
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