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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:47,081 --> 00:02:49,641 - Good morning, Dr Lüders. - Good morning. 2 00:02:49,881 --> 00:02:52,001 May we do a quick interview with you? 3 00:02:52,241 --> 00:02:54,921 Okay, but just a minute and not a second longer! 4 00:02:55,161 --> 00:02:59,001 Then I have to leave this wonderful place, I'm afraid. 5 00:02:59,201 --> 00:03:01,961 - I don't want to end up under a car either. - No! 6 00:03:02,161 --> 00:03:05,561 - All the best on your 80th birthday. - Thank you. 7 00:03:05,801 --> 00:03:09,081 And congratulations on your honorary doctorate. 8 00:03:09,361 --> 00:03:12,521 We'd like to ask you a few questions. 9 00:03:12,761 --> 00:03:15,081 How close are we to achieving 10 00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:18,601 your greatest goal: equal rights for women? 11 00:03:18,841 --> 00:03:21,321 We've come some way, but we're not there yet. 12 00:03:21,561 --> 00:03:25,521 If we don't continue to fight, we'll lose what we've achieved so far. 13 00:03:26,441 --> 00:03:30,121 - May I ask you another question? - Okay. 14 00:03:30,321 --> 00:03:34,721 You're known in the Bundestag for your excellent mediating skills. 15 00:03:34,961 --> 00:03:37,561 How do you view the role of women as mediators 16 00:03:37,801 --> 00:03:39,961 in the business of politics today? 17 00:03:40,201 --> 00:03:45,121 Politics today would not be possible without the mediating influence of women 18 00:03:45,321 --> 00:03:48,241 because men have a strong tendency to quarrel 19 00:03:48,481 --> 00:03:52,121 and women have an equally strong tendency to reconcile. 20 00:03:52,361 --> 00:03:53,921 - Thank you. - My pleasure. 21 00:03:57,721 --> 00:04:05,801 FEMOCRACY 22 00:05:11,801 --> 00:05:16,401 DEAR GENTLEMEN 23 00:05:16,641 --> 00:05:22,561 Power is viewed as something unfeminine. I've never understood that. 24 00:05:22,801 --> 00:05:27,801 I can remember the first major event I was involved in, 25 00:05:28,041 --> 00:05:31,521 with Susanne von Paczensky, and Eva Rühmkorf in Berlin. 26 00:05:31,761 --> 00:05:33,881 Big posters everywhere. I was so proud. 27 00:05:34,161 --> 00:05:38,281 And the posters said: "Women and power?" So with a question mark at the end. 28 00:05:38,521 --> 00:05:40,641 I was the only person on the panel 29 00:05:40,881 --> 00:05:43,801 who said I didn't see the point of the question mark. 30 00:05:44,041 --> 00:05:49,201 That I want to have power, that power is not something bad per se. 31 00:05:49,481 --> 00:05:53,361 Rather, the way that people wield this power can be bad 32 00:05:53,601 --> 00:05:55,681 and this should be questioned. 33 00:05:55,921 --> 00:05:59,281 But if I'm powerless, I'm not able to influence anything. 34 00:05:59,561 --> 00:06:03,601 And precisely because I'm a woman, I don't want to be without influence. 35 00:06:03,841 --> 00:06:06,121 I want power so that I can have a say 36 00:06:06,401 --> 00:06:09,001 and fight for things that matter to me. 37 00:07:11,001 --> 00:07:14,641 My German teacher always told me in no uncertain terms: 38 00:07:14,881 --> 00:07:17,841 "Ursula, politics is not a feminine pursuit." 39 00:07:18,081 --> 00:07:21,441 And the more she said that to me, 40 00:07:21,721 --> 00:07:24,481 the more I exasperated her, of course. 41 00:07:25,081 --> 00:07:29,041 She motivated me to get more and more involved in politics. 42 00:07:29,281 --> 00:07:32,241 When I got my school leaving certificate, she said, 43 00:07:32,481 --> 00:07:35,081 "We wish you all the best for the future, 44 00:07:35,281 --> 00:07:38,601 that you become another Hamm-Brücher, but with our values." 45 00:07:38,841 --> 00:07:41,161 Hamm-Brücher was a Bavarian politician 46 00:07:41,441 --> 00:07:45,281 with a combative approach, who did a lot for educational policy, 47 00:07:45,521 --> 00:07:49,241 but her combative way was not the convent school's style. 48 00:07:49,841 --> 00:07:52,481 So I was allowed to follow in her footsteps, 49 00:07:52,801 --> 00:07:55,641 as long as I stuck to their values. 50 00:07:55,881 --> 00:07:59,041 Since entering Bavarian State Parliament in 1950, 51 00:07:59,281 --> 00:08:02,761 Hildegard Hamm-Brücher has fought to improve educational policy. 52 00:08:02,961 --> 00:08:06,321 Her independent spirit, moral courage and expertise 53 00:08:06,601 --> 00:08:10,721 have made her one of the best-known cultural policymakers in Germany. 54 00:08:12,321 --> 00:08:15,441 And what is currently her most pressing political goal? 55 00:08:15,681 --> 00:08:21,081 Improvements to the external and internal conditions in schools for our children 56 00:08:21,321 --> 00:08:23,481 are urgently required, 57 00:08:23,721 --> 00:08:28,601 but have unfortunately been neglected all too often in the past. 58 00:08:29,321 --> 00:08:33,521 My mother really urged me to study hard. 59 00:08:33,761 --> 00:08:36,681 She hadn't got her school leaving certificate, 60 00:08:36,921 --> 00:08:39,401 so she said, "Make sure you study, my girl! 61 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:42,641 No one can take that knowledge away from you." 62 00:08:42,881 --> 00:08:46,441 My father was more conservative in these matters 63 00:08:46,681 --> 00:08:51,041 and said, "Don't learn too much, my girl. You'll never find a husband!" 64 00:08:51,281 --> 00:08:53,241 A woman faces two questions in life: 65 00:08:53,481 --> 00:08:56,841 What should I wear? And what should I cook? 66 00:08:57,081 --> 00:08:58,801 That was the image of the woman. 67 00:08:59,041 --> 00:09:03,441 The man is the provider, the woman is the housewife and mother 68 00:09:03,721 --> 00:09:08,601 and once he's reached a certain position, she makes it possible for him 69 00:09:08,841 --> 00:09:11,161 to invite guests to the house, 70 00:09:11,441 --> 00:09:14,841 to entertain and lead a social life. 71 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:20,681 And she can use her own education to nurture and develop the children. 72 00:09:20,921 --> 00:09:23,321 I remember a girl in my class… 73 00:09:24,201 --> 00:09:26,321 We were at a grammar school, 74 00:09:26,561 --> 00:09:29,601 and she said she wanted to study maths. 75 00:09:30,561 --> 00:09:33,601 We were her classmates and even we fell off our chairs 76 00:09:33,841 --> 00:09:37,201 because we just couldn't imagine a girl studying maths. 77 00:09:37,481 --> 00:09:40,681 Whenever a woman or a girl marched to a different tune, 78 00:09:40,921 --> 00:09:44,281 it was made clear to her that she was breaking with convention. 79 00:09:44,561 --> 00:09:48,521 "Ah, she will get married" followed me everywhere I went. 80 00:09:48,761 --> 00:09:52,241 Up to and including the time I went to university. 81 00:09:52,481 --> 00:09:58,281 When I started studying law in Berlin, less than 10% of the students were women. 82 00:09:58,521 --> 00:10:04,641 Or in lectures in Hamburg when the famous Professor Raape 83 00:10:05,401 --> 00:10:09,201 addressed the lecture hall with "dear gentlemen…" 84 00:10:09,441 --> 00:10:14,241 in spite of the fact that I and the few other girls in the hall 85 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:18,761 had purposely sat in the front row, he continued to use "gentlemen". 86 00:10:21,161 --> 00:10:27,361 MRS MINISTER 87 00:10:29,801 --> 00:10:32,881 "… I still have the right to speak here!" 88 00:10:35,281 --> 00:10:40,001 "You have entrusted me with the task of leading the German Reich." 89 00:10:40,641 --> 00:10:45,841 "The reunification of our free fatherland, this is our ultimate goal." 90 00:10:47,361 --> 00:10:51,161 "We want to take a chance on more democracy." 91 00:10:51,401 --> 00:10:56,441 "There will be no experiments in the area of foreign policy!" 92 00:11:01,401 --> 00:11:04,361 "No experiments because they would lead 93 00:11:04,601 --> 00:11:07,361 to the downfall of the German people once again." 94 00:11:12,041 --> 00:11:16,441 I was at the Konrad Adenauer Foundation yesterday, looking at the photos: 95 00:11:16,721 --> 00:11:18,721 nothing but black suits. 96 00:11:18,961 --> 00:11:23,681 Photos of the leading committees and ministers back then. 97 00:11:23,921 --> 00:11:26,801 Black suits and not a woman to be seen. 98 00:11:27,041 --> 00:11:31,921 At some point I said, "You can't have half a democracy. 99 00:11:33,961 --> 00:11:36,881 A nation is made up of both men and women." 100 00:11:37,161 --> 00:11:39,121 In general, I believe that women 101 00:11:39,361 --> 00:11:42,761 have something to offer in all areas, including politics. 102 00:11:43,001 --> 00:11:47,281 There's even a chance that a woman could become a federal minister. 103 00:11:47,561 --> 00:11:50,481 I bet it'd liven up cabinet meetings, Minister. 104 00:11:50,721 --> 00:11:52,841 But not just as décor, I hope! 105 00:11:53,081 --> 00:11:54,721 I'd like to believe 106 00:11:54,961 --> 00:11:58,321 there's many a capable woman in this grand country of ours 107 00:11:58,601 --> 00:12:01,241 with the expertise required to add something 108 00:12:01,481 --> 00:12:05,241 to the men's complex discussions on order and the country's future. 109 00:12:05,481 --> 00:12:09,761 Yes, I was very serious just now: women can contribute to cabinet meetings 110 00:12:10,001 --> 00:12:12,761 in a way that men can't, don't you think, Minister? 111 00:12:13,001 --> 00:12:17,161 I do believe that women can help us with our work, also in the cabinet. 112 00:12:17,441 --> 00:12:20,601 That was my first really significant experience 113 00:12:20,841 --> 00:12:23,001 as a member of the Bundestag. 114 00:12:23,241 --> 00:12:28,481 The female CDU MPs were summoned by Mrs Brauksiepe. 115 00:12:29,921 --> 00:12:33,001 We decided to ask for a woman on every committee. 116 00:12:33,241 --> 00:12:36,321 And Adenauer hadn't appointed a single woman to the cabinet. 117 00:12:36,721 --> 00:12:42,481 Then four female MPs went to see Adenauer. Mrs Brauksiepe in an elegant little hat. 118 00:12:49,961 --> 00:12:56,641 WOMEN AND THE CONFLICTING PRIORITIES OF TODAY'S SOCIETY 119 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:20,081 "Have the demeanour of a lady and fight like a warhorse." 120 00:13:20,361 --> 00:13:23,561 Aenne Brauksiepe, CDU 121 00:13:23,801 --> 00:13:27,961 And then they came back and said, "We've done it!" 122 00:13:28,561 --> 00:13:33,321 And we enthusiastically backed Dr Schwarzhaupt. 123 00:13:33,561 --> 00:13:35,321 She was fantastic. 124 00:13:35,561 --> 00:13:40,321 She became Minister of Health, but that wasn't all she did. 125 00:13:40,561 --> 00:13:42,921 As a very young woman, 126 00:13:43,161 --> 00:13:47,001 she was also in Stresemann's German People's Party 127 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:49,241 in a leading administrative role. 128 00:13:49,481 --> 00:13:52,841 Then she was very active in the Confessing Church 129 00:13:53,081 --> 00:13:56,601 and then after the war she was active in the rebuilding efforts. 130 00:13:57,081 --> 00:13:59,561 Dr Schwarzhaupt did a really good job 131 00:13:59,801 --> 00:14:03,201 and introduced a lot of new things. 132 00:14:03,761 --> 00:14:09,241 Such as food labelling and other things that hadn't existed before. 133 00:14:12,641 --> 00:14:15,001 I swear, so help me God. 134 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:30,321 "Consider yourself a gentleman amongst gentlemen!" 135 00:14:30,561 --> 00:14:33,041 Konrad Adenauer, 1961 136 00:14:33,241 --> 00:14:37,881 Dr Schwarzhaupt, your appointment as Germany's first female minister 137 00:14:38,081 --> 00:14:41,121 leaves us with the small dilemma of how address you. 138 00:14:41,401 --> 00:14:43,881 "Minister" or the female form "Ministerin"? 139 00:14:44,081 --> 00:14:46,921 I would say "Ministerin", as I am a woman 140 00:14:47,161 --> 00:14:49,521 and as the German language 141 00:14:49,761 --> 00:14:52,801 has a male and a female form for these kinds of words. 142 00:14:53,041 --> 00:14:57,961 This may appear a little ungallant, but is it perhaps worth considering 143 00:14:58,201 --> 00:15:04,201 whether a woman in politics should or must hold a particular position 144 00:15:04,441 --> 00:15:06,801 just because she is a woman? 145 00:15:07,041 --> 00:15:10,201 Your question doesn't strike me as that ungallant. 146 00:15:10,481 --> 00:15:14,361 It's a question I've faced for 20 years, wherever I've worked. 147 00:15:14,601 --> 00:15:18,641 But personally, I've had very encouraging experiences 148 00:15:18,881 --> 00:15:22,721 which have shown me that women are capable of a great deal, 149 00:15:22,961 --> 00:15:26,481 because people often expect a lot of us in other areas. 150 00:15:26,721 --> 00:15:30,641 And we contribute something different to a man. 151 00:15:31,361 --> 00:15:34,601 If I were to work like a man and talk like a man, 152 00:15:34,841 --> 00:15:39,001 I may as well have sent my husband here 20 years ago. 153 00:15:39,241 --> 00:15:43,281 But this isn't the case. "Vive la difference", if you will. 154 00:15:43,521 --> 00:15:46,881 We all make our own unique contribution to get the job done. 155 00:16:38,241 --> 00:16:40,561 REBEL WOMEN 156 00:16:40,801 --> 00:16:44,441 - There's no one around to decide. - Gentlemen! 157 00:16:44,681 --> 00:16:49,241 In the hour of need, decisive decisions must be decided! 158 00:16:49,481 --> 00:16:53,121 And in the history of humankind, there were always plucky women 159 00:16:53,361 --> 00:16:55,281 who stepped in to save the day. 160 00:16:55,521 --> 00:16:59,441 I'm the firm's longest-serving employee, so I'm in command here! 161 00:17:00,401 --> 00:17:02,681 Good heavens! 162 00:17:03,521 --> 00:17:07,441 The women fought their battles alone at first, each to her own. 163 00:17:07,681 --> 00:17:12,441 And then in the 1970s, women discovered each other, as it were, 164 00:17:12,681 --> 00:17:15,241 women who were in the same situation. 165 00:17:15,481 --> 00:17:20,681 We stopped competing against each other for that one post allocated to a woman. 166 00:17:20,921 --> 00:17:26,761 Instead, we joined forces to fight for the creation of more "women's posts". 167 00:17:27,001 --> 00:17:31,801 I started to get interested in politics and to take part in political events. 168 00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:34,801 Up until then, I didn't believe in my abilities… 169 00:17:35,041 --> 00:17:39,081 I should add that I was married to someone who didn't believe in them either. 170 00:17:39,361 --> 00:17:43,721 And I started to go to political events and suddenly I realised: 171 00:17:43,961 --> 00:17:46,561 "Oh, people listen when you make a point." 172 00:17:46,801 --> 00:17:50,201 I suddenly felt two metres taller and really validated, 173 00:17:50,481 --> 00:17:54,201 and worked up the courage to really get involved. 174 00:17:54,761 --> 00:17:58,801 How do you manage to balance your career and your family life? 175 00:17:59,841 --> 00:18:04,521 Unfortunately, this is a question that people only ask female politicians. 176 00:18:04,961 --> 00:18:07,321 You have to make compromises 177 00:18:07,601 --> 00:18:10,001 and organise your life a bit differently, 178 00:18:10,241 --> 00:18:12,841 but you manage it, just like business women 179 00:18:13,041 --> 00:18:15,001 and farmer's wives do. 180 00:18:15,241 --> 00:18:18,841 The father of my children couldn't deal with this new role at all. 181 00:18:19,041 --> 00:18:24,241 Suddenly I'd stopped being the person who idolised him as "lord and master" 182 00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,241 and kept my mouth shut. 183 00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:30,161 I developed my own opinions. He couldn't handle it and we separated. 184 00:18:30,441 --> 00:18:34,281 In '68 I did my final exams in Berlin and then went back to Tübingen, 185 00:18:34,521 --> 00:18:38,121 where I was chair of the district authority for a while. 186 00:18:38,321 --> 00:18:42,841 And then from 1970, I led the Social Democrat women's wing 187 00:18:43,041 --> 00:18:45,081 in Baden-Württemberg, 188 00:18:45,321 --> 00:18:49,561 somewhat to the horror of the top brass in the region. 189 00:18:49,801 --> 00:18:53,521 They weren't too happy about our good-natured "onslaught". 190 00:18:53,761 --> 00:18:58,201 Because of course we said that in the upcoming local government elections 191 00:18:58,481 --> 00:19:02,041 we wanted to increase the share of women on the municipal councils 192 00:19:02,241 --> 00:19:04,441 by at least 50 percent, if not more. 193 00:19:04,681 --> 00:19:09,201 And to achieve this, we examined the internal party regulations, 194 00:19:09,441 --> 00:19:12,361 worked out how to put together a budget, 195 00:19:12,601 --> 00:19:15,201 how to present ourselves, 196 00:19:15,441 --> 00:19:19,161 how men typically behave when they're on committees 197 00:19:19,401 --> 00:19:22,441 how they negate women, how we can tackle this, and so on. 198 00:19:22,681 --> 00:19:25,681 We really enjoyed it, and it was a success, too. 199 00:19:27,241 --> 00:19:30,321 My name is Herta Däubler-Gmelin, I'm 29 years old, 200 00:19:30,561 --> 00:19:34,121 I've been an MP since 19 November, and I'm also a Swabian. 201 00:19:37,601 --> 00:19:40,801 "In parliament a woman on her own is like a flower, 202 00:19:41,041 --> 00:19:43,641 en masse, they are like weeds." 203 00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:46,641 Throughout history A wind of emancipation has blown 204 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:49,641 From humans to infusoria 205 00:19:49,881 --> 00:19:53,481 Women everywhere want to seize the throne 206 00:19:53,721 --> 00:19:57,561 From the Amazons to the little madams in Berlin 207 00:19:58,001 --> 00:20:01,361 A thundering roar can be heard 208 00:20:02,361 --> 00:20:06,081 "What the men can do we learned long ago 209 00:20:06,401 --> 00:20:09,761 And maybe we can do it better too!" 210 00:20:10,321 --> 00:20:13,681 Out of the Reichstag, out they go! 211 00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:17,081 Out of the Landtag, out they go! 212 00:20:17,361 --> 00:20:20,441 Out of their manly manors, out they go! 213 00:20:20,681 --> 00:20:23,801 We'll make them ours, don't you know? 214 00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:26,721 Get the men out of here 215 00:20:26,961 --> 00:20:29,801 Get the men out of there 216 00:20:30,041 --> 00:20:32,761 Get the men out of everywhere 217 00:20:33,001 --> 00:20:35,641 They've been around too long, I swear 218 00:20:35,881 --> 00:20:38,401 Out of that house, out they trot 219 00:20:38,641 --> 00:20:42,161 It's time that the women had a shot! 220 00:20:57,081 --> 00:20:58,841 - May I? - Be my guest. 221 00:21:07,441 --> 00:21:10,201 Try that on with the matron, Mr Körtler. 222 00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:14,161 - You'll get a smack in the face. - Well, she might not like it. 223 00:21:14,761 --> 00:21:17,121 But you do. It's clear as day. 224 00:21:17,401 --> 00:21:19,121 You're mistaken. 225 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:21,921 I'm going easy on you because you're sick. 226 00:21:22,601 --> 00:21:25,801 I don't feel that sick, actually. 227 00:21:29,241 --> 00:21:30,921 The cheek! 228 00:21:31,521 --> 00:21:33,401 - What's up? - Oh, nothing… 229 00:21:33,641 --> 00:21:37,201 - Some people think nurses are fair game! - It's just harmless fun. 230 00:21:37,801 --> 00:21:42,201 Before the summer recess, there was a big education policy debate in the Bundestag 231 00:21:42,481 --> 00:21:45,281 and I was giving the last speech. 232 00:21:45,521 --> 00:21:50,201 I made my way back to my seat and when I was halfway there, 233 00:21:50,441 --> 00:21:52,841 Stücklen blocked my path and said, 234 00:21:53,081 --> 00:21:56,721 "Ms Schuchardt…" And then he ran his thumb down my back. 235 00:21:57,481 --> 00:22:00,681 And suddenly he gave the CSU a thumbs-up. 236 00:22:01,281 --> 00:22:03,281 I said, "What was that about?" 237 00:22:03,961 --> 00:22:07,081 "We made a bet: Is she wearing a bra or not?" 238 00:22:07,561 --> 00:22:09,601 So I said, "And?" "She's not." 239 00:22:10,001 --> 00:22:12,641 Someone must have tipped off the press. 240 00:22:13,361 --> 00:22:17,361 The summer recess was over and I thought, "Oh, God, how terrible!" 241 00:22:17,601 --> 00:22:20,001 So I went to the Executive Committee HQ 242 00:22:20,241 --> 00:22:23,601 and said, "Mr Stücklen, I'm sorry. I didn't tell the press." 243 00:22:24,201 --> 00:22:27,841 And he actually said to me, "Oh, don't worry, Ms Schuchardt, 244 00:22:28,041 --> 00:22:30,321 it boosted my liberal image." 245 00:22:30,601 --> 00:22:33,361 You had to learn to fend off the advances 246 00:22:33,601 --> 00:22:37,961 without becoming the man's arch enemy in the parliamentary group. 247 00:22:38,281 --> 00:22:42,121 Let me put this bluntly: we have nothing against old men, 248 00:22:42,481 --> 00:22:46,521 nor do we have anything against old women, or against young women. 249 00:22:46,761 --> 00:22:49,561 I'll just add that too. But… but… 250 00:22:49,801 --> 00:22:55,441 Dear Ms… Ms Nickels, Ms Hickel, Ms Vollmer, Ms Schoppe, 251 00:22:55,681 --> 00:22:58,401 we'll all grow old one day. 252 00:22:58,641 --> 00:23:03,321 It's true that some of you look pretty good, but… 253 00:23:04,161 --> 00:23:08,241 But… back to the topic of old men, I'll say this much: 254 00:23:08,481 --> 00:23:13,241 the ravages of time are also taking their toll on you, 255 00:23:13,481 --> 00:23:15,441 I'll just point that out. 256 00:23:15,681 --> 00:23:18,921 You really had to master this game: 257 00:23:19,161 --> 00:23:23,921 fend him off, but don't slight him as a man. 258 00:23:24,161 --> 00:23:26,721 It was the same in all parliamentary groups. 259 00:23:26,921 --> 00:23:30,921 And I'm sorry to say that journalists also made passes on us. 260 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:34,761 One of the most taboo subjects in the political arena 261 00:23:34,961 --> 00:23:38,041 is the private life of politicians in Bonn. 262 00:23:38,281 --> 00:23:42,681 A Sunday paper and the Greens have now lifted this veil of discretion. 263 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:45,761 The Green Party MP Klaus Hecker from Kronberg in Hessen 264 00:23:46,001 --> 00:23:47,841 has come under fire 265 00:23:48,081 --> 00:23:52,401 for allegedly groping the breasts of Green Party parliamentary group staff, 266 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,561 to put it rather crudely. 267 00:23:54,961 --> 00:23:58,441 Ms Schoppe, is there any truth to the allegations against Mr Hecker? 268 00:23:59,081 --> 00:24:03,121 Yes, Mr Hecker did indeed touch the breasts of three women. 269 00:24:03,401 --> 00:24:06,681 Wouldn't it be better to solve this conflict on a personal level 270 00:24:06,921 --> 00:24:09,401 instead of reaching for the political cudgel? 271 00:24:09,641 --> 00:24:12,721 A slap in the face wouldn't have been unreasonable. 272 00:24:12,961 --> 00:24:15,201 If it had been an isolated incident, 273 00:24:15,481 --> 00:24:19,441 a conflict between Klaus Hecker and one woman, but it's not. 274 00:24:19,681 --> 00:24:22,841 It's a problem in society and we want to highlight this. 275 00:24:23,081 --> 00:24:26,401 What do you think about breast-grabbing and bum-pinching? 276 00:24:27,201 --> 00:24:30,241 - It's a hot topic. - No one does that to me anymore! 277 00:24:30,561 --> 00:24:35,001 You shouldn't do it at work, but in your free time, I think it's fine. 278 00:24:35,241 --> 00:24:38,641 If it was something extra special, then I would do it. 279 00:24:38,881 --> 00:24:41,921 Have you ever thought of doing something like that? 280 00:24:42,161 --> 00:24:46,041 - Thought about it? I've done it! - And what happened? 281 00:24:46,241 --> 00:24:50,161 Nothing. The woman said it was nice. But I wasn't in the Bundestag. 282 00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:52,601 I looked after VIPs at the airport, 283 00:24:52,841 --> 00:24:56,321 all the politicians who were "in" back then: Strauß, Stücklen… 284 00:24:56,561 --> 00:25:01,161 I have to say that during my time working at the airport, 285 00:25:01,401 --> 00:25:04,721 I didn't only see the politicians in a positive light. 286 00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:10,161 When I think of the MeToo debate and some of the men I was looking after, 287 00:25:10,441 --> 00:25:14,481 who got onto the plane in the morning, drunk out of their minds, 288 00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:16,761 I could tell a story or two. 289 00:25:17,001 --> 00:25:20,241 I have been touched and experienced other things. 290 00:25:20,521 --> 00:25:25,481 I was at one of Richard Stücklen's events when I was starting out in politics. 291 00:25:25,721 --> 00:25:30,161 I came in and he said, "She's not married. But she's not that ugly." 292 00:25:30,441 --> 00:25:32,801 I would just have loved to… 293 00:25:33,041 --> 00:25:36,721 If all those people hadn't been there, I would have slapped him. 294 00:25:36,961 --> 00:25:39,441 A helping hand for lawyer Friedrich Bohl, 295 00:25:39,681 --> 00:25:42,721 a member of Hesse State Parliament since 1970. 296 00:25:42,961 --> 00:25:44,681 His next stop: Bonn. 297 00:25:44,921 --> 00:25:49,161 Richard Stücklen explains to Mrs Bohl what she has let herself in for. 298 00:25:50,681 --> 00:25:54,721 If my wife hadn't showed me so much understanding, 299 00:25:55,161 --> 00:25:59,401 I would never have achieved what I have in politics 300 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:02,801 - over the last 31 years. - I bet! 301 00:26:03,041 --> 00:26:06,801 You won't get anywhere if you don't have the right wife. 302 00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:10,561 Some people also trivialise the MeToo debate today. 303 00:26:12,441 --> 00:26:17,441 If women had spoken out sooner, people in these areas might have developed 304 00:26:17,681 --> 00:26:20,001 a different kind of awareness. 305 00:27:15,361 --> 00:27:24,121 GERMANY UNDER THE COVERS 306 00:27:31,881 --> 00:27:34,761 I'd like to say a few words about yesterday evening, 307 00:27:35,001 --> 00:27:37,601 ladies and gentlemen. 308 00:27:37,841 --> 00:27:42,361 The loutish behaviour here last night was simply unacceptable. 309 00:27:43,321 --> 00:27:46,881 You really have to raise your game, gentlemen, 310 00:27:47,081 --> 00:27:51,001 to stop the values of this house going completely to the dogs. 311 00:27:56,281 --> 00:28:00,961 The debate around Paragraph 218 has started once again. 312 00:28:01,161 --> 00:28:04,441 This paragraph, which sets out certain conditions 313 00:28:04,681 --> 00:28:07,921 to allow a woman to terminate a pregnancy, 314 00:28:08,161 --> 00:28:12,601 has not lessened the suffering women must endure when they have an abortion. 315 00:28:12,841 --> 00:28:16,161 If you listen to it again, it was a very unemotional speech. 316 00:28:16,441 --> 00:28:20,081 She didn't really raise her voice. 317 00:28:20,401 --> 00:28:23,441 She spoke rather quietly. 318 00:28:24,481 --> 00:28:27,841 She probably knew what was coming and was bracing herself. 319 00:28:29,161 --> 00:28:33,321 We are in a society which is standardising living conditions, 320 00:28:33,561 --> 00:28:36,401 creating standard fashions, standard flats, 321 00:28:36,641 --> 00:28:40,441 standard opinions, and also standard morals. 322 00:28:41,401 --> 00:28:45,201 As a result, we now have couples going to bed in the evening 323 00:28:45,441 --> 00:28:49,281 and performing a standard drill before going to sleep. 324 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:54,081 Which often involves the man performing a reckless act of penetration. 325 00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:57,601 I say reckless, because most men 326 00:28:57,841 --> 00:29:01,321 do not take any steps to prevent pregnancy. 327 00:29:01,561 --> 00:29:03,441 I admired her for it. 328 00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:08,361 I probably wouldn't have chosen those words in the Bundestag at that time, 329 00:29:08,601 --> 00:29:10,241 but I agreed with them. 330 00:29:10,481 --> 00:29:13,201 That speech was a moment to rejoice 331 00:29:13,441 --> 00:29:16,921 for all women interested or involved in the women's movement. 332 00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:21,081 No one had ever spoken like that in the Bundestag before. 333 00:29:21,281 --> 00:29:25,001 We are calling for spousal rape to be made a punishable act. 334 00:29:25,641 --> 00:29:28,921 We are asking you to finally acknowledge 335 00:29:29,161 --> 00:29:34,161 that women also have a right to determine what happens to their bodies and lives. 336 00:29:34,401 --> 00:29:36,121 We are asking all of you 337 00:29:36,361 --> 00:29:40,881 to put a stop to the everyday sexism here in parliament. 338 00:29:55,441 --> 00:29:59,521 The atmosphere during Waltraud Schoppe's speech was just disgusting. 339 00:29:59,761 --> 00:30:02,801 Calling someone a "witch" may not be very nice, 340 00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:05,561 but it's not below the belt. 341 00:30:05,801 --> 00:30:08,921 They shouted out things that were clearly sexual. 342 00:30:09,161 --> 00:30:13,481 Things like: "No one wants to sleep with you anyway." 343 00:30:13,721 --> 00:30:18,561 Really nasty things that I'd never expected MPs to say. 344 00:30:35,041 --> 00:30:37,441 I can see I've said the right thing: 345 00:30:37,721 --> 00:30:39,841 I've touched a nerve. 346 00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:49,641 It was, well… 347 00:30:50,201 --> 00:30:53,921 it was awkward for the men at times. 348 00:30:54,161 --> 00:30:58,161 You really felt sorry for the men who had to make such a racket 349 00:30:58,401 --> 00:31:00,321 when she said certain things 350 00:31:00,561 --> 00:31:05,441 because they felt that their innermost being was under attack, 351 00:31:05,681 --> 00:31:10,241 that they were no longer accepted as the natural rulers of the world. 352 00:31:10,481 --> 00:31:15,201 Our male colleagues hadn't realised how they actually treated us. 353 00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:18,961 To them, we were like pretty trimmings, little flowers, 354 00:31:19,161 --> 00:31:22,441 but not necessarily serious politicians 355 00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:25,641 who had as much to say as they did. 356 00:31:26,001 --> 00:31:28,041 It would be a real turning point 357 00:31:28,281 --> 00:31:31,601 if we had a chancellor up here, for example, 358 00:31:31,841 --> 00:31:34,521 who pointed out to us all 359 00:31:34,761 --> 00:31:38,761 that there are forms of lovemaking which are sensual 360 00:31:39,001 --> 00:31:43,001 and which completely eliminate the chance of getting pregnant. 361 00:31:45,481 --> 00:31:50,961 However, you can only talk about something if you understand it a little. 362 00:31:55,161 --> 00:31:58,761 In all seriousness, I'd never discuss this with the chancellor. 363 00:31:58,961 --> 00:32:01,001 Anyone whose policies… 364 00:32:03,761 --> 00:32:09,001 whose policies destroy the environment, and enable inhumane activities, 365 00:32:09,241 --> 00:32:14,121 has forfeited the chance of being part of the conversation about sensuality. 366 00:32:19,361 --> 00:32:22,321 The floor is yours: Mr Kleinert, Hanover. 367 00:32:24,641 --> 00:32:26,321 President… 368 00:32:27,801 --> 00:32:31,001 Ladies and gentlemen. 369 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:33,921 We are not half as uptight 370 00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:38,121 as I would imagine many people may now think… 371 00:32:43,401 --> 00:32:46,681 after hearing that speech just now. 372 00:32:52,401 --> 00:32:56,401 There are many different people living in this land, 373 00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:58,961 very healthy, balanced, 374 00:32:59,201 --> 00:33:03,041 and merry people… merry in a perfectly healthy way. 375 00:33:03,241 --> 00:33:08,161 But they don't make their lifestyle the topic of a plenary debate. 376 00:33:13,161 --> 00:33:16,801 If I remember correctly, it was your first speech in the Bundestag 377 00:33:17,001 --> 00:33:19,241 and you're met with this torrent… 378 00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:23,281 of jocularity, but it didn't feel friendly or relaxed, 379 00:33:23,521 --> 00:33:26,201 at least as far as I saw it… 380 00:33:27,161 --> 00:33:30,081 It was more like you were being jeered at. 381 00:33:30,721 --> 00:33:36,521 Well, I have to say: I never expected the parliament to be jocular or relaxed. 382 00:33:37,041 --> 00:33:41,881 And when they started laughing and attacking me, 383 00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:47,441 I thought to myself: "There's still a lot of groundwork to be done here." 384 00:33:47,681 --> 00:33:50,081 And that's what us women plan to do. 385 00:34:19,161 --> 00:34:26,481 WAR AND PEACE 386 00:34:29,801 --> 00:34:34,201 TODAY IN PARLIAMENT 387 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:41,001 NATO'S DUAL-TRACK DECISION 388 00:34:41,841 --> 00:34:46,641 The foreign policy of this country is hanging in the balance. 389 00:34:47,601 --> 00:34:50,681 We must not allow the Soviet Union to succeed, 390 00:34:51,121 --> 00:34:54,921 aided by its colossal efforts to expand its armaments, 391 00:34:55,121 --> 00:34:57,081 which cannot be justified 392 00:34:57,321 --> 00:35:01,481 by any discernible defence or security concerns, 393 00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:05,041 in intimidating us here in Western Europe, 394 00:35:05,281 --> 00:35:08,561 in curtailing our freedom to act on the political stage 395 00:35:08,801 --> 00:35:11,881 and in breaking our ties with the United States. 396 00:35:28,121 --> 00:35:32,801 President, ladies and gentlemen, first I'd like to ask you not to laugh. 397 00:35:33,121 --> 00:35:36,681 The chain around my neck isn't carnival decoration. 398 00:35:36,921 --> 00:35:41,001 In Hiroshima and Japan, it is more highly regarded than our Order of Merit. 399 00:35:41,241 --> 00:35:45,081 And I'd ask you to give the chain the respect it deserves. 400 00:35:49,641 --> 00:35:52,121 It's made up of a thousand cranes. 401 00:35:52,321 --> 00:35:56,321 The crane is Japan's national symbol for happiness and peace. 402 00:35:56,801 --> 00:35:59,561 And there's an old legend that goes: 403 00:35:59,801 --> 00:36:04,681 Fold 1,000 cranes and you will be granted happiness, blessings and a long life. 404 00:36:04,921 --> 00:36:07,601 And after the bomb fell, 405 00:36:07,841 --> 00:36:11,441 a lot of survivors in a state of misery and desperation, 406 00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:13,761 were emboldened by this thought 407 00:36:14,001 --> 00:36:16,481 and they tried to fold 1,000 cranes 408 00:36:16,721 --> 00:36:19,881 before they died from the radiation. 409 00:36:20,121 --> 00:36:25,001 In 1982 I helped launch the peace movement in my region. 410 00:36:25,241 --> 00:36:28,801 And I started a women's peace movement on purpose 411 00:36:29,001 --> 00:36:31,241 because I realised 412 00:36:31,521 --> 00:36:35,921 that it could help counteract the negative image of the peace movement, 413 00:36:36,121 --> 00:36:39,921 that everyone was controlled by Moscow or they were freaks, 414 00:36:40,121 --> 00:36:43,321 that they have nothing better to do all day than protest, 415 00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:46,321 if mothers, grandmas and children were part of it. 416 00:36:46,561 --> 00:36:50,121 So we weaved shut the gates of barracks, organised breakfasts… 417 00:36:50,361 --> 00:36:55,001 The Commanding Officer even turned up on his bike to take a secret look. 418 00:36:55,201 --> 00:36:59,241 They weren't counting on any of that and it turned their world upside down. 419 00:37:22,561 --> 00:37:24,201 Ms Nickels, 420 00:37:24,441 --> 00:37:30,001 Your dismay at the consequences of the disaster in Hiroshima is moving. 421 00:37:30,681 --> 00:37:33,001 I share this dismay, 422 00:37:33,241 --> 00:37:35,481 because as a child 423 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:40,521 I experienced the night-time bombing raids in my native Koblenz, which lay in ruins. 424 00:37:40,761 --> 00:37:43,121 I was buried alive twice. 425 00:37:43,401 --> 00:37:47,441 So I know what horrors war can bring. 426 00:37:48,401 --> 00:37:51,401 I also know from what he has told me, 427 00:37:51,641 --> 00:37:53,961 that our chancellor Helmut Kohl 428 00:37:54,201 --> 00:37:57,081 also suffered very personal losses in the war. 429 00:37:58,121 --> 00:38:01,681 Aged 13 he was enlisted in a school fire-fighting squad 430 00:38:01,921 --> 00:38:04,721 during the bombing raids in Ludwigshafen. 431 00:38:04,961 --> 00:38:09,201 And his brother died as a soldier. 432 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:14,121 Well, Helmut Kohl was an emotional man, it's important to know that. 433 00:38:14,401 --> 00:38:20,161 And I recall getting down from the lectern and going down those two steps, 434 00:38:20,521 --> 00:38:23,561 and going past where the chancellor was sitting. 435 00:38:23,801 --> 00:38:27,801 He placed his paw on my shoulder as a gesture of recognition, 436 00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:30,561 and told me I'd done a good job. 437 00:38:30,881 --> 00:38:34,681 What I find so awful is that many people in the peace movement 438 00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:39,001 are turning this dispute into a debate on basic principles. 439 00:38:39,761 --> 00:38:43,561 That they view themselves as the "public conscience" 440 00:38:43,801 --> 00:38:47,721 and destroy peace within our country with their intolerance. 441 00:38:51,361 --> 00:38:55,161 I reject the claim that the peace movement is fear-mongering. 442 00:38:55,401 --> 00:38:59,001 The fearmongers are sitting over there on the government bench, 443 00:38:59,201 --> 00:39:01,281 spreading fear among us. 444 00:39:01,961 --> 00:39:06,001 If our methods of peaceful resistance and civil disobedience 445 00:39:06,241 --> 00:39:08,961 transgress legal regulations and laws, 446 00:39:09,121 --> 00:39:14,041 it's because we rely on a higher law, the law of our conscience, 447 00:39:14,281 --> 00:39:17,561 and because we know that the power of the state is not absolute. 448 00:39:17,801 --> 00:39:21,601 Petra Kelly was already an icon back then. To some, she was a saint. 449 00:39:22,201 --> 00:39:24,201 To others, she was… 450 00:39:25,401 --> 00:39:28,281 They didn't have a terribly positive opinion of her. 451 00:39:28,521 --> 00:39:31,641 But the women were strong, they were really strong, 452 00:39:31,881 --> 00:39:34,361 and not just about the NATO decision. 453 00:39:34,601 --> 00:39:39,161 Another huge issue was Wackersdorf, the reprocessing plant in Bavaria, 454 00:39:39,401 --> 00:39:41,881 and women were incredibly active there. 455 00:39:42,121 --> 00:39:46,081 A final word on the children in the peace movement. 456 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,961 Parents have been shamed 457 00:39:49,201 --> 00:39:54,281 for bringing their children along to the peace protest on 22 October. 458 00:39:55,081 --> 00:39:59,161 I have three children of my own and I can tell you this: 459 00:39:59,441 --> 00:40:01,641 it's more the other way around. 460 00:40:01,881 --> 00:40:05,921 Children as young as ten are taking their parents with them. 461 00:40:06,361 --> 00:40:08,761 Two topics… Yes, I think that's good. 462 00:40:09,001 --> 00:40:12,481 There are two topics close to their hearts: 463 00:40:12,721 --> 00:40:15,321 The death of the forests and expanding armaments. 464 00:40:16,121 --> 00:40:20,841 I'd like to conclude my speech with a banner carried by young people 465 00:40:21,241 --> 00:40:24,201 which read: "You treat the planet 466 00:40:24,441 --> 00:40:27,721 as if you had another one in the cellar." 467 00:40:28,521 --> 00:40:31,321 Let's show them that they were wrong. 468 00:40:33,801 --> 00:40:37,721 It was women, and women across all political parties, 469 00:40:37,961 --> 00:40:41,721 who approached the debate on armaments, for example, 470 00:40:41,961 --> 00:40:45,001 by addressing the real problems far more than the men. 471 00:40:45,241 --> 00:40:50,081 This made me very happy to feel that something does unite us. 472 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:54,001 I won't pretend it's all harmonious, but there is a consensus, 473 00:40:54,201 --> 00:40:57,721 perhaps because they're much more connected to everyday life. 474 00:40:58,481 --> 00:41:03,121 As long as we're governed by men who only have missiles on the mind, 475 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:07,681 and not much else going on up there, things will not improve. 476 00:41:07,921 --> 00:41:12,881 This country doesn't need new missiles. What this country needs is new men. 477 00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:27,121 READING THE RIOT ACT 478 00:41:56,241 --> 00:42:00,121 VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN HELMUT SCHMIDT 1 OCTOBER 1982 479 00:42:00,321 --> 00:42:02,081 President. 480 00:42:03,081 --> 00:42:06,801 Dear colleagues. 481 00:42:08,241 --> 00:42:11,761 I cannot express my lack of confidence in the chancellor 482 00:42:12,121 --> 00:42:15,161 considering that only a few months ago 483 00:42:15,441 --> 00:42:17,801 I expressed my confidence in him. 484 00:42:20,521 --> 00:42:23,761 I don't think either of these gentlemen deserve this. 485 00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:27,481 Helmut Schmidt being toppled without the say of the electorate, 486 00:42:27,721 --> 00:42:31,921 and you, Helmut Kohl, becoming chancellor without the say of the electorate. 487 00:42:38,441 --> 00:42:41,041 Hildegard Hamm-Brücher was a very respected politician 488 00:42:41,241 --> 00:42:46,001 who held some really fantastic speeches in the Bundestag. 489 00:42:46,401 --> 00:42:50,321 She wasn't easy, nor were her dealings with women. 490 00:42:50,561 --> 00:42:54,761 She wasn't a "woman's woman", we said back then. 491 00:42:55,001 --> 00:42:58,881 It wasn't a given that she would stand up for other women. 492 00:42:59,121 --> 00:43:03,241 But then the situation arose that we're all familiar with… 493 00:43:03,521 --> 00:43:05,761 with the vote of no confidence. 494 00:43:06,721 --> 00:43:08,801 And it was absolutely clear to us 495 00:43:09,041 --> 00:43:13,041 once we'd decided to vote against it, that she would give the speech. 496 00:43:13,401 --> 00:43:18,121 In my opinion, both of these courses of action 497 00:43:18,361 --> 00:43:22,481 leave the unsavoury aftertaste of violated democratic principles. 498 00:43:22,721 --> 00:43:26,521 One could say that they damage the moral and ethical integrity 499 00:43:26,761 --> 00:43:28,641 of power changeovers. 500 00:43:28,881 --> 00:43:30,801 And this is not… 501 00:43:34,321 --> 00:43:36,201 This is not… 502 00:43:38,361 --> 00:43:42,601 I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. You don't, and you also made that clear. 503 00:43:42,841 --> 00:43:46,201 This is not an acceptable course of action. 504 00:43:46,561 --> 00:43:51,241 It was clear to us all that this speech had set off an earthquake, 505 00:43:51,481 --> 00:43:56,481 and then that this would send shockwaves throughout the FDP. 506 00:43:56,841 --> 00:44:01,041 Just two years ago, the voters gave a clear mandate 507 00:44:01,281 --> 00:44:05,561 in favour of a social-liberal coalition. 508 00:44:06,121 --> 00:44:08,641 So we have to consult the voters 509 00:44:08,881 --> 00:44:11,121 before we change this arrangement. 510 00:44:17,641 --> 00:44:21,281 Handshake between Dr Hildegard Hamm-Brücher 511 00:44:21,521 --> 00:44:23,641 and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. 512 00:44:23,881 --> 00:44:27,961 That was a very personal and succinct explanation 513 00:44:28,201 --> 00:44:32,601 of how she will choose to vote in the upcoming ballot. 514 00:44:34,961 --> 00:44:38,881 Some of what I have heard here today, the pleas, 515 00:44:39,401 --> 00:44:42,681 the grievances and the emotions, 516 00:44:42,921 --> 00:44:45,801 can only be viewed 517 00:44:46,041 --> 00:44:49,321 as an attack on our constitution. 518 00:44:58,841 --> 00:45:02,601 When a member of parliament chooses to express their opinion, 519 00:45:03,721 --> 00:45:07,121 be they male or female members, 520 00:45:08,281 --> 00:45:11,801 and state that they will act according to their conscience, 521 00:45:12,881 --> 00:45:18,601 and this is then described as an attack on our constitution… 522 00:45:22,881 --> 00:45:25,641 as an attack on our constitution, 523 00:45:27,321 --> 00:45:29,681 then the leadership of the… 524 00:45:30,321 --> 00:45:34,961 I only intend to say three sentences and I ask you to please hear me out. 525 00:45:35,161 --> 00:45:38,081 I still have the right to speak here! 526 00:45:44,161 --> 00:45:48,561 This constitution is a moral institution of German politics. 527 00:45:48,801 --> 00:45:51,081 And if within this constitution, 528 00:45:51,321 --> 00:45:56,521 whether it suits one person more than another in a particular situation, 529 00:45:56,761 --> 00:46:00,241 we reach decisions, we work, we fight for a cause, 530 00:46:00,481 --> 00:46:02,561 this cannot be viewed as immoral, 531 00:46:02,801 --> 00:46:05,921 nor as unchristian, as the honourable lady suggests. 532 00:46:14,321 --> 00:46:16,241 The MP Dr Helmut Kohl 533 00:46:16,481 --> 00:46:20,681 has been elected as Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. 534 00:46:28,761 --> 00:46:33,601 For the voters, electing Helmut Kohl was a serious breach of trust. 535 00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,321 It violated what had been promised before the election. 536 00:46:37,601 --> 00:46:41,241 And we weren't alone: the people were up in arms. 537 00:46:41,481 --> 00:46:44,041 It went against the principle of good faith 538 00:46:44,241 --> 00:46:47,081 and that's also why 539 00:46:47,281 --> 00:46:51,241 I was so upset with Genscher, who'd kept it secret to the last. 540 00:46:52,001 --> 00:46:53,641 We never spoke again. 541 00:46:54,401 --> 00:46:58,641 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a real veteran of the party conference circuit. 542 00:46:58,881 --> 00:47:04,281 I've attended most of the conferences that have taken place in Germany since 1967, 543 00:47:04,561 --> 00:47:08,761 but I've never experienced a conference where so many tears have been shed. 544 00:47:09,001 --> 00:47:12,361 Something really must have happened within this party. 545 00:47:12,801 --> 00:47:15,201 I hope that you will understand 546 00:47:15,481 --> 00:47:21,161 that as a matter of self-respect in view of the outcome of these events, 547 00:47:21,401 --> 00:47:24,121 I will not run for the National Board of the FDP. 548 00:47:24,881 --> 00:47:29,321 There was more to come: for Ingrid Matthäus-Maier, re-electing Genscher 549 00:47:29,601 --> 00:47:34,041 and approving the power handover in Bonn meant a loss of face for the FDP 550 00:47:34,281 --> 00:47:37,281 and a new centre-right, pro-business stance. 551 00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:40,801 Final concerns, final advice, final objections, 552 00:47:41,041 --> 00:47:46,121 but they will not change her mind: the FDP is no longer her political home 553 00:47:46,401 --> 00:47:48,961 and for a few moments the conference 554 00:47:49,161 --> 00:47:52,121 loses its business-like mood when she explains: 555 00:47:52,361 --> 00:47:56,001 So I have decided to resign from my posts in the FDP 556 00:47:56,201 --> 00:47:58,481 and to leave the FDP. 557 00:48:23,201 --> 00:48:26,201 She is not the only one to leave the party that evening, 558 00:48:26,441 --> 00:48:28,361 others hesitate, at a loss. 559 00:48:28,601 --> 00:48:32,001 Will this spark an exodus from the FDP after the conference? 560 00:48:32,241 --> 00:48:33,761 This is what many fear. 561 00:48:33,961 --> 00:48:37,521 And that's what happened too, with some tragic results. 562 00:48:38,281 --> 00:48:40,241 I saw friendships 563 00:48:40,481 --> 00:48:44,401 and even marriages fall apart because of the change of coalition. 564 00:48:44,641 --> 00:48:49,001 Life changed for a lot of us after that. For me, for example. 565 00:48:49,481 --> 00:48:54,961 There was never any doubt about it. I could never have voted for Kohl. 566 00:48:55,601 --> 00:48:57,841 And I knew only too well 567 00:48:58,081 --> 00:49:02,361 that my career as a politician would suffer as a result. 568 00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:08,921 TAKING A CHANCE ON MORE WOMEN 569 00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:21,081 May I introduce you to the chancellor? 570 00:50:21,361 --> 00:50:25,201 He'll be happy to finally meet the chairwoman of a… 571 00:50:25,441 --> 00:50:30,321 May I introduce Ms Matthäus? The chairwoman of our Young Democrats. 572 00:50:30,561 --> 00:50:33,361 So you've already had dealings with each other? 573 00:50:33,601 --> 00:50:35,441 Oh, yes, we have! 574 00:50:37,161 --> 00:50:42,201 She is paraded around parties in Bonn like a bird of paradise, a rare specimen, 575 00:50:42,441 --> 00:50:44,241 a woman who, aged 26, 576 00:50:44,481 --> 00:50:48,241 is head of one of the three major political youth organisations. 577 00:50:48,961 --> 00:50:52,081 But Ingrid Matthäus, new chairwoman of the Young Democrats, 578 00:50:52,321 --> 00:50:54,881 wants to prove herself to her political fathers 579 00:50:55,081 --> 00:50:59,081 and would rather challenge than please, especially her own party chairman. 580 00:50:59,321 --> 00:51:02,401 Many people were surprised that a woman was made chair 581 00:51:02,641 --> 00:51:05,121 of such a big organisation for the first time. 582 00:51:05,361 --> 00:51:09,121 Do you think it's normal for a woman to hold such a position? 583 00:51:09,361 --> 00:51:14,281 It's normal to me and it's not unusual in our organisation, the Young Democrats, 584 00:51:14,521 --> 00:51:19,361 because we have chairwomen at municipal, district and state level. 585 00:51:19,601 --> 00:51:24,001 But of course in public life up until now, it certainly hasn't been the norm. 586 00:51:24,241 --> 00:51:28,881 But I hope that it will encourage a few other women to follow suit, 587 00:51:29,081 --> 00:51:32,801 even if it doesn't solve the fundamental problems in our society 588 00:51:33,041 --> 00:51:35,721 which still impede female emancipation. 589 00:51:35,961 --> 00:51:38,761 I remember what the German Press Agency wrote, 590 00:51:39,001 --> 00:51:43,641 and they weren't completely wrong: "aggressive and attractive". 591 00:51:43,881 --> 00:51:48,281 I noticed early on that it can be a problem as a woman, 592 00:51:48,881 --> 00:51:50,881 if you're active in the party, 593 00:51:51,161 --> 00:51:53,281 if you're decisive, 594 00:51:53,521 --> 00:51:56,441 you have a goal and are determined to get a majority. 595 00:51:56,681 --> 00:51:59,601 If you were a man, I'm sure that people would say, 596 00:51:59,841 --> 00:52:02,881 "Oh, he's so decisive, he has great ideas 597 00:52:03,161 --> 00:52:05,241 and goals he wants to achieve!" 598 00:52:05,481 --> 00:52:09,041 Over all my years in politics, I can say from experience 599 00:52:09,241 --> 00:52:11,441 that when women say, 600 00:52:11,681 --> 00:52:14,481 "I want this to happen and I'll fight for it", 601 00:52:14,721 --> 00:52:18,481 it's viewed much more critically than if a man says it. 602 00:52:18,721 --> 00:52:21,761 A man is viewed as decisive and not overbearing. 603 00:52:22,761 --> 00:52:24,921 As it never rains but it pours, 604 00:52:25,161 --> 00:52:27,801 our next item is about the expulsion of men 605 00:52:28,001 --> 00:52:31,081 from the paradise of the Green front bench, 606 00:52:31,321 --> 00:52:34,121 if indeed it ever was a paradise. 607 00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:38,481 What happened in the Green Party is something familiar to all, 608 00:52:38,721 --> 00:52:42,361 it seems to be the norm in the average marriage today: 609 00:52:42,601 --> 00:52:46,321 the women took command. 610 00:52:46,561 --> 00:52:50,721 In a marriage, this happens gently and almost imperceptibly over many years. 611 00:52:50,961 --> 00:52:55,401 The ladies of the Green Party, however, managed to railroad it through, 612 00:52:55,681 --> 00:52:59,441 in unsentimental fashion, using brute force. 613 00:52:59,681 --> 00:53:03,881 The most rotten male chauvinists couldn't have managed such a feat. 614 00:53:04,201 --> 00:53:08,241 We're trying out something new and sending a signal 615 00:53:08,481 --> 00:53:12,041 to all women in our party to get more involved 616 00:53:12,241 --> 00:53:14,241 and to women in other parties. 617 00:53:14,481 --> 00:53:18,841 And we also want to send a signal beyond the borders of the Federal Republic 618 00:53:19,081 --> 00:53:22,361 to encourage more women to play a part in politics. 619 00:53:22,641 --> 00:53:25,681 Six women had been elected to the party executive 620 00:53:25,921 --> 00:53:28,281 and they almost keeled over with shock. 621 00:53:28,561 --> 00:53:31,721 It's hard to imagine, but the FAZ newspaper wrote: 622 00:53:31,961 --> 00:53:35,441 "The men dutifully licked the boots of female emancipation 623 00:53:35,681 --> 00:53:38,041 until they kicked them to the curb." 624 00:53:38,281 --> 00:53:42,361 Or they talked about the "gynaecocracy", and I thought: 625 00:53:42,601 --> 00:53:47,441 "My God, if you see a group of men, you don't say 'urolo…gracy', do you?" 626 00:53:47,681 --> 00:53:50,041 The terms they came up with! 627 00:53:50,281 --> 00:53:54,001 And these were serious presenters and journalists, 628 00:53:54,201 --> 00:53:57,241 and this stuff just came out of them. 629 00:53:57,481 --> 00:54:00,681 And everyone wanted to interview you, of course. 630 00:54:00,921 --> 00:54:03,441 And it was an interesting experience. 631 00:54:03,681 --> 00:54:06,521 I was standing next to Nowottny and thought: 632 00:54:06,761 --> 00:54:09,881 "What's going on there?" Because he was really small. 633 00:54:10,161 --> 00:54:15,041 He had this little transparent stool which made him taller than me, of course. 634 00:54:15,241 --> 00:54:18,361 "Ah, that's how he does it." I had a whale of a time! 635 00:54:19,481 --> 00:54:21,281 Christa Nickels' first day 636 00:54:21,521 --> 00:54:24,201 as the newly elected Green Party Secretary. 637 00:54:24,441 --> 00:54:29,081 On Tuesday, she took over the party helm in the Bundestag with five other women. 638 00:54:29,281 --> 00:54:33,121 A surprise coup, the background of which is gradually becoming clearer. 639 00:54:33,361 --> 00:54:36,361 Nervous yet high-spirited, Nickels starts business 640 00:54:36,601 --> 00:54:39,081 with her colleagues from other parties. 641 00:54:40,081 --> 00:54:44,201 You shouldn't blow your own trumpet and I don't want to praise myself, 642 00:54:44,481 --> 00:54:48,321 but I do feel that I got off to a fairly good start today. 643 00:54:48,561 --> 00:54:51,361 Of course I'm still rough around the edges, 644 00:54:51,601 --> 00:54:54,361 I still have to settle in and get the hang of things, 645 00:54:54,601 --> 00:54:57,361 but I've no doubt I'll manage that. 646 00:54:57,601 --> 00:55:01,121 - So gender doesn't count in this job? - Certainly not. 647 00:55:01,321 --> 00:55:05,361 It's your intellect that counts, and long hair doesn't stunt that. 648 00:55:05,601 --> 00:55:08,001 When we voted in the women's executive, 649 00:55:08,241 --> 00:55:12,121 a number of women in the SPD, left-leaning ones too, 650 00:55:12,321 --> 00:55:14,321 were completely outraged: 651 00:55:14,561 --> 00:55:18,121 "There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater!" 652 00:55:18,321 --> 00:55:21,081 And the women from the CSU, 653 00:55:21,281 --> 00:55:24,601 who had really socially conservative views, 654 00:55:24,841 --> 00:55:27,761 they were really happy and congratulated us. 655 00:55:28,001 --> 00:55:30,721 The world had gone topsy-turvy and we thought, 656 00:55:30,961 --> 00:55:33,601 "What's got into the women in the SPD?" 657 00:55:33,841 --> 00:55:37,161 I didn't really give the "feminarchy" in the Green Party 658 00:55:37,441 --> 00:55:39,801 all that much thought. 659 00:55:40,481 --> 00:55:42,681 But what I will say is: 660 00:55:42,921 --> 00:55:44,961 I appreciate men 661 00:55:45,201 --> 00:55:48,801 and think that the male perspective is important, 662 00:55:49,001 --> 00:55:51,401 but not in that excess. 663 00:55:53,241 --> 00:55:57,041 I congratulated them, I congratulated them in writing, 664 00:55:57,241 --> 00:56:01,201 and they made that public, of course. 665 00:56:01,521 --> 00:56:06,681 And then I got an angry letter from my parliamentary party secretary, 666 00:56:06,921 --> 00:56:09,841 asking me if I'd taken leave of my senses. 667 00:56:10,081 --> 00:56:13,721 Why was I supporting this nonsense and even congratulating them? 668 00:56:13,961 --> 00:56:19,081 But without the women in the Green Party and without the SPD women's quota, 669 00:56:19,321 --> 00:56:22,481 it would never have been possible in the CDU. 670 00:56:22,721 --> 00:56:26,001 It's a little hard at first to be faced by a wall of men. 671 00:56:26,241 --> 00:56:31,321 They have particular expectations of you, they want to see if you'll "man up". 672 00:56:31,561 --> 00:56:35,761 And of course you still face prejudice. Here's a story from the last election. 673 00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:39,681 I organised a get-together one Sunday in a village in Upper Bavaria, 674 00:56:39,921 --> 00:56:41,561 which was a lot of work. 675 00:56:41,801 --> 00:56:44,681 After the event, an elderly farmer came up to me: 676 00:56:44,921 --> 00:56:49,081 "You'll find a good man, my girl. Then you won't need to do this anymore." 677 00:56:49,321 --> 00:56:53,121 It had to happen then because women in general were taking a stand. 678 00:56:53,361 --> 00:56:56,401 There was the new women's movement, Alice Schwarzer, 679 00:56:56,641 --> 00:56:58,841 one thing enabled the other. 680 00:56:59,081 --> 00:57:04,321 Things were happening inside and outside of parliament, "pollinating" each other. 681 00:57:06,761 --> 00:57:10,001 Stand your ground, don't give in 682 00:57:10,241 --> 00:57:13,361 You have got this far 683 00:57:13,601 --> 00:57:17,121 Don't budge, don't let them win 684 00:57:17,321 --> 00:57:20,241 Stay true to who you are 685 00:57:20,801 --> 00:57:23,641 Under the pavement 686 00:57:24,601 --> 00:57:26,721 There lies a beach 687 00:57:28,641 --> 00:57:33,241 Reach out your hand and grab a stone from the sand 688 00:57:39,201 --> 00:57:42,441 Don't let anyone tell you 689 00:57:43,161 --> 00:57:46,281 What you should or should not do 690 00:57:46,521 --> 00:57:49,761 You get to have your say 691 00:57:50,161 --> 00:57:53,201 And do things just your way 692 00:57:53,641 --> 00:57:55,801 Under the pavement 693 00:57:57,641 --> 00:57:59,521 There lies a beach 694 00:58:00,921 --> 00:58:06,601 Reach out your hand and grab a stone from the sand 695 00:58:08,401 --> 00:58:10,481 Dance and give a twirl 696 00:58:12,081 --> 00:58:15,121 You'll never be "their girl" 697 00:58:15,801 --> 00:58:17,601 Scare them away 698 00:58:19,361 --> 00:58:22,681 Laugh loud, now hear me say: Your turn! 699 00:58:22,961 --> 00:58:26,081 Even old hands at the party conference circuit 700 00:58:26,361 --> 00:58:29,281 cannot recall seeing as many women 701 00:58:29,521 --> 00:58:33,481 at other events of this kind as there were at the CDU conference 702 00:58:33,721 --> 00:58:35,681 in Essen's Grugahalle. 703 00:58:35,921 --> 00:58:38,841 Heiner Geißler's vision of transforming the CDU 704 00:58:39,081 --> 00:58:44,001 into an advocate of a "new partnership", as the Secretary General calls it, 705 00:58:44,601 --> 00:58:47,921 made the mood at the CDU event at the heart of the Ruhr Valley 706 00:58:48,121 --> 00:58:53,121 more amicable, and more importantly, showed that it was looking to the future. 707 00:58:53,401 --> 00:58:57,001 The party wants to achieve equality between men and women 708 00:58:57,201 --> 00:59:01,081 in everyday life by the year 2000. 709 00:59:01,281 --> 00:59:02,921 An ambitious goal. 710 00:59:03,121 --> 00:59:06,441 In the run-up to this conference, Heiner Geissler announced 711 00:59:06,721 --> 00:59:10,961 that he would give up his post as Minister for Family Affairs afterwards 712 00:59:11,201 --> 00:59:16,521 so that he could devote himself to his duties as General Secretary. 713 00:59:16,761 --> 00:59:21,361 So I said to the Frauenunion: "Ladies, the time has finally come to demand 714 00:59:21,601 --> 00:59:25,401 the appointment of a second woman in the cabinet. 715 00:59:25,641 --> 00:59:30,081 Kohl can forget his conference in Essen if he doesn't pledge to do that." 716 00:59:30,361 --> 00:59:33,401 I assume the CDU doesn't want to look utterly ridiculous 717 00:59:33,641 --> 00:59:36,441 and will appoint a second female minister. 718 00:59:36,681 --> 00:59:39,761 I believe that it should be at least three or four. 719 00:59:40,001 --> 00:59:44,081 The number of CDU female ministers should at least correspond 720 00:59:44,361 --> 00:59:48,521 to the number of female party members, considering the party's goals. 721 00:59:48,761 --> 00:59:50,321 This is nothing new, 722 00:59:50,561 --> 00:59:53,681 you know the numbers, I think it's 21 percent. 723 00:59:53,921 --> 00:59:56,561 - I think we may have to… - May I comment on that? 724 00:59:56,801 --> 00:59:59,561 - In a minute. - You keep going off topic. 725 00:59:59,801 --> 01:00:02,201 No, I'll finish my point if I may. 726 01:00:02,481 --> 01:00:06,121 So we'll have to make do with a second token woman. 727 01:00:06,361 --> 01:00:08,721 And then the ladies replied, 728 01:00:08,961 --> 01:00:13,281 "But then he won't choose one of us. He'll be really annoyed with us." 729 01:00:13,561 --> 01:00:17,321 And I said, "Well, if you're too scared, I'll do it on my own." 730 01:00:17,561 --> 01:00:21,201 And it got a lot of coverage in the press: 731 01:00:21,881 --> 01:00:24,561 "Helmut Kohl can forget his party conference 732 01:00:24,801 --> 01:00:28,121 if he doesn't pledge to appoint a second female minister." 733 01:00:28,401 --> 01:00:32,521 And then he informed me, but not directly, of course: 734 01:00:32,761 --> 01:00:37,081 I shouldn't get any ideas into my head. I was not going to be the second minister. 735 01:00:37,361 --> 01:00:39,601 Just look at how events unfolded. 736 01:00:39,841 --> 01:00:43,561 Before the conference, after publication of their principles, 737 01:00:43,801 --> 01:00:49,361 a female politician stuck her neck out and said, "How about a second minister?" 738 01:00:49,801 --> 01:00:52,801 From then on, it was all negotiated behind closed doors. 739 01:00:53,041 --> 01:00:55,121 No woman dared say another word. 740 01:00:55,401 --> 01:01:00,001 A very high-profile, capable female politician said to me, and I quote: 741 01:01:00,201 --> 01:01:03,921 "Oh, we don't want to discuss that, because we know our Helmut Kohl. 742 01:01:04,121 --> 01:01:07,481 If we mention it again, he'll be so mad we won't get a second seat." 743 01:01:07,761 --> 01:01:11,881 - Oh no, that's just not true. - It is! There but for the grace of Kohl. 744 01:01:12,241 --> 01:01:14,721 Kohl said to Schäuble and Geissler: 745 01:01:14,921 --> 01:01:17,641 "I'm not that stupid: I won't do an Edward Heath 746 01:01:17,881 --> 01:01:20,081 and let a Thatcher on board." 747 01:01:20,841 --> 01:01:23,881 That really amused me when I heard about that. 748 01:01:24,121 --> 01:01:27,081 But at the party conference, he had to announce 749 01:01:27,321 --> 01:01:32,521 that a second woman would join the cabinet and that woman was Rita Süssmuth. 750 01:01:42,041 --> 01:01:46,641 There she is: Professor Rita Süssmuth, Heiner Geißler's successor. 751 01:01:47,761 --> 01:01:50,601 Up to now, she worked in social education in Dortmund. 752 01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:54,241 The 48-year-old will become the new Minister of Family Affairs 753 01:01:54,521 --> 01:01:56,001 in mid-September. 754 01:01:56,201 --> 01:01:59,561 Her appointment came as a big surprise to many. 755 01:01:59,801 --> 01:02:03,721 You're also said to be very loyal, but does this loyalty go so far 756 01:02:04,081 --> 01:02:07,561 as to considering yourself a "transitional" minister? 757 01:02:08,721 --> 01:02:12,761 Well, I am loyal if the situation and the people 758 01:02:13,441 --> 01:02:15,841 require it and make it possible. 759 01:02:16,081 --> 01:02:20,481 What's really important to me is that each person is true to themselves. 760 01:02:20,761 --> 01:02:22,321 I am who I am. 761 01:02:22,561 --> 01:02:26,241 My predecessor was a different person with his own identity. 762 01:02:26,521 --> 01:02:29,161 Very self-assured, aren't you, Professor? 763 01:02:29,401 --> 01:02:34,001 A number of female MPs in the CDU and CSU will not be pleased. 764 01:02:34,201 --> 01:02:37,241 Yes, it's true, we were rather offended 765 01:02:37,481 --> 01:02:40,081 when Rita Süssmuth turned up. 766 01:02:42,441 --> 01:02:46,841 You see, the Union had been in opposition for so long. 767 01:02:47,081 --> 01:02:51,761 There was no way to move up the ranks, and the women just ploughed on and on. 768 01:02:53,801 --> 01:02:57,081 I did find it very difficult at the beginning. 769 01:02:57,361 --> 01:03:02,641 They didn't rate my chances much in the papers: 770 01:03:02,881 --> 01:03:04,681 "She'll be gone in six months." 771 01:03:04,921 --> 01:03:06,321 I must admit 772 01:03:06,601 --> 01:03:11,401 that this particularly spurred me on to say: 773 01:03:11,641 --> 01:03:13,601 "That's not what I want. 774 01:03:13,841 --> 01:03:17,121 If I take on this challenge, I'm going to stick it out." 775 01:03:17,721 --> 01:03:20,641 Rita Süssmuth didn't have a political background. 776 01:03:20,881 --> 01:03:24,121 She was a woman with traditional values, 777 01:03:24,401 --> 01:03:27,001 but she was actually way ahead of her time. 778 01:03:27,201 --> 01:03:30,441 She'd be a good fit for Angela Merkel's CDU today. 779 01:03:30,681 --> 01:03:35,081 Back then, she was a pure white raven surrounded by a sea of CDU black. 780 01:03:35,321 --> 01:03:38,121 And they'd got her on board 781 01:03:38,321 --> 01:03:42,201 to give the impression that they were equipped for the future, 782 01:03:42,441 --> 01:03:45,281 also because of the emerging women's movement 783 01:03:45,521 --> 01:03:47,921 and the Green Party women in parliament. 784 01:03:48,121 --> 01:03:51,921 And then she was confronted with the HIV crisis 785 01:03:52,121 --> 01:03:54,641 and took a completely unorthodox approach. 786 01:03:54,881 --> 01:03:57,841 Very effective, but very controversial within her party. 787 01:03:58,081 --> 01:04:01,601 After fierce clashes with Bavaria, the minister pushed through 788 01:04:01,841 --> 01:04:05,681 her policy of fighting AIDS with a comprehensive awareness campaign 789 01:04:05,921 --> 01:04:08,401 and counselling, rather than tough new laws. 790 01:04:15,281 --> 01:04:18,601 Tina, how much are these condoms? 791 01:04:22,081 --> 01:04:26,721 We're not talking about showing understanding for the homosexual scene. 792 01:04:26,961 --> 01:04:31,041 What is essential here is to make it clear that this is contra naturam, 793 01:04:31,281 --> 01:04:35,281 which means "against nature", and is fundamentally deviant behaviour. 794 01:04:35,521 --> 01:04:39,601 We finally have to make protection of the majority in our society 795 01:04:39,841 --> 01:04:43,761 our top priority and stop concerning ourselves with 796 01:04:44,001 --> 01:04:46,801 how we can better understand the margins of society. 797 01:04:47,041 --> 01:04:51,001 We have to make these margins thinner. We have to thin them out. 798 01:04:51,241 --> 01:04:56,041 We must make it clear to our young people that this does not offer them a future. 799 01:04:56,561 --> 01:05:01,361 It highlighted all the things that were still taboo in society: 800 01:05:02,041 --> 01:05:04,041 homosexuals, 801 01:05:04,281 --> 01:05:09,641 who were painted as the villains spreading AIDS all across our country. 802 01:05:10,201 --> 01:05:12,281 And taking a stand against that 803 01:05:12,521 --> 01:05:18,281 naturally meant that I was often at odds with the official party line. 804 01:05:18,521 --> 01:05:22,521 At some point, it was common knowledge that she and Helmut Kohl 805 01:05:22,761 --> 01:05:24,761 had become adversaries. 806 01:05:25,001 --> 01:05:29,601 He was absolutely furious that she was so different to how he'd imagined 807 01:05:29,841 --> 01:05:33,601 and she was pretty shocked by the macho posturing, 808 01:05:33,841 --> 01:05:37,801 not only in the case of Kohl, but in this milieu in general. 809 01:05:38,041 --> 01:05:41,081 Rita Süssmuth on the way to announcing her candidacy 810 01:05:41,361 --> 01:05:43,641 for the office of Bundestag President. 811 01:05:43,881 --> 01:05:47,161 She had become a nuisance to the powers that be in Bonn, 812 01:05:47,441 --> 01:05:51,681 who "promoted her out of the way" into the second-highest office of state. 813 01:05:52,601 --> 01:05:54,961 We were all outraged. 814 01:05:55,681 --> 01:05:58,081 And we all quickly tried 815 01:05:58,321 --> 01:06:00,841 to get various proposals 816 01:06:01,041 --> 01:06:05,481 off the ground in a way that would allow them to survive 817 01:06:05,761 --> 01:06:09,361 when she wasn't there anymore to hold her protective hand 818 01:06:09,601 --> 01:06:12,001 over certain important projects. 819 01:06:12,441 --> 01:06:14,681 If I am elected to this office, 820 01:06:14,921 --> 01:06:18,321 I will remain Rita Süssmuth and an active politician. 821 01:06:18,601 --> 01:06:22,201 I have no intention of turning my back on politics. 822 01:06:22,441 --> 01:06:24,761 I really wanted to remain a minister 823 01:06:26,881 --> 01:06:30,961 and I came out of the meeting and wasn't one anymore. 824 01:06:33,041 --> 01:06:35,161 For my team, 825 01:06:35,441 --> 01:06:37,361 for our team and for me, 826 01:06:37,601 --> 01:06:42,321 that was a really sad moment, and I thought I was powerless. 827 01:06:42,561 --> 01:06:46,241 She also made something of the job of Bundestag President. 828 01:06:46,481 --> 01:06:50,641 Because you can use the office in very different ways. 829 01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:54,881 And she really did a lot to advance women's issues. 830 01:06:55,121 --> 01:06:58,201 Whatever the topic, she never failed to address 831 01:06:58,481 --> 01:07:01,361 sensitive points and take people to task. 832 01:07:01,601 --> 01:07:06,481 Of course, at first people thought, "Now she's quiet. We've silenced her." 833 01:07:06,721 --> 01:07:11,561 But she knew that they hoped this and she didn't give in. 834 01:07:11,881 --> 01:07:14,401 Rita Süssmuth caused quite a sensation 835 01:07:14,641 --> 01:07:17,921 at the party conference in Bremen in September 1989, 836 01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:21,201 when she joined Lothar Späth and Heiner Geißler 837 01:07:21,481 --> 01:07:24,481 in an unsuccessful attempt to oust the chancellor. 838 01:07:25,241 --> 01:07:29,521 What would have become of the CDU as a party of the people, 839 01:07:29,761 --> 01:07:34,161 if we hadn't had the women's party conference in Essen, 840 01:07:34,441 --> 01:07:39,281 and as a result of this… and I say this after some consideration… 841 01:07:39,521 --> 01:07:43,121 we didn't now have the most politically significant, popular 842 01:07:43,361 --> 01:07:48,121 and respected woman in our midst, namely, Rita Süssmuth. 843 01:07:48,321 --> 01:07:50,081 Where would we be then? 844 01:08:05,441 --> 01:08:09,481 He'd probably had a different image of me: the good Catholic woman. 845 01:08:12,281 --> 01:08:14,241 One of our own. 846 01:08:14,961 --> 01:08:17,481 And that wasn't me. 847 01:08:19,241 --> 01:08:23,361 I would never have been able to stay true to myself 848 01:08:23,601 --> 01:08:26,241 if I'd fit that image. 849 01:09:22,561 --> 01:09:29,361 PETRA AND HANNELORE 850 01:09:47,841 --> 01:09:49,091 Oh, lovely. 851 01:09:49,321 --> 01:09:51,481 The air is the best here. 852 01:10:38,921 --> 01:10:43,081 I've noticed that you're rather fond of boots. 853 01:10:44,441 --> 01:10:50,001 And I know that you've worn through a pair or two in the service of the party. 854 01:10:50,201 --> 01:10:55,201 It goes without saying that these boots are black in line with party colours… 855 01:11:01,641 --> 01:11:04,121 And above all they're meant to help you 856 01:11:04,321 --> 01:11:07,241 to fight the next few election campaigns 857 01:11:07,481 --> 01:11:09,481 at your husband's side. 858 01:11:26,161 --> 01:11:28,641 Petra Kelly carries her own bags. 859 01:11:28,841 --> 01:11:32,041 She doesn't deserve pity, yet some men in the Greens look on 860 01:11:32,281 --> 01:11:35,001 as this woman slaves away until she drops. 861 01:11:35,201 --> 01:11:37,561 After all, "she is emancipated", 862 01:11:37,801 --> 01:11:40,961 meaning: she alone is responsible for her actions. 863 01:11:42,201 --> 01:11:44,321 THE INTERVIEW CHALLENGE 864 01:11:49,081 --> 01:11:52,401 Like many women, ma'am, you suffer from living 865 01:11:52,681 --> 01:11:55,481 - in your husband's shadow. - So you always claim! 866 01:11:57,801 --> 01:11:59,961 But doesn't it bother you 867 01:12:00,201 --> 01:12:03,281 to be a silent, albeit attractive figure on the margins? 868 01:12:03,521 --> 01:12:07,121 You're claiming I'm silent again, but you're not there all the time. 869 01:12:07,361 --> 01:12:10,201 I accompanied a lot of Helmut Kohl's state visits. 870 01:12:10,441 --> 01:12:15,721 She really shone on trips abroad, with her fluent English and fluent French, 871 01:12:15,961 --> 01:12:18,441 which wasn't the case with Chancellor Kohl. 872 01:12:18,881 --> 01:12:21,721 I got a real glimpse into this marriage, 873 01:12:21,961 --> 01:12:24,921 but it never occurred to me to write or talk about it. 874 01:12:25,161 --> 01:12:28,881 I didn't even talk to my husband about it. 875 01:12:29,361 --> 01:12:33,081 A lot of people really underestimated this woman. 876 01:12:33,481 --> 01:12:35,721 You also talked about bringing 877 01:12:35,961 --> 01:12:38,241 more tenderness to politics. 878 01:12:38,521 --> 01:12:41,601 Should politicians start hugging or even kissing each other? 879 01:12:41,841 --> 01:12:46,361 That wouldn't be so bad, but they already do that enough, albeit in a formal way. 880 01:12:46,601 --> 01:12:50,201 No, tenderness in politics means that it should be for the people, 881 01:12:50,441 --> 01:12:54,121 it's about loving your neighbour, and tenderness also means 882 01:12:54,361 --> 01:12:59,241 being careful about how you protect the integrity of what's important to you. 883 01:12:59,481 --> 01:13:03,761 Politics also requires a certain caution if it strives to be ecological. 884 01:13:04,001 --> 01:13:06,761 Tenderness means trying to understand each other, 885 01:13:07,001 --> 01:13:10,481 deconstructing our image of the enemy, both out there and within. 886 01:13:28,241 --> 01:13:30,961 We've finally made it into the Bundestag! 887 01:13:34,961 --> 01:13:38,121 I see Petra Kelly as the first global politician. 888 01:13:38,401 --> 01:13:44,121 She really valued people's rights to self-determination: 889 01:13:44,321 --> 01:13:47,121 Aborigines, Native Americans, 890 01:13:47,361 --> 01:13:50,681 and also the Black Power Movement. 891 01:13:50,921 --> 01:13:53,921 She was a real role model and got sacks full of post. 892 01:13:54,201 --> 01:13:59,001 Mr Beuys, it's not easy to describe Petra Kelly, 893 01:13:59,201 --> 01:14:02,841 such a multi-faceted character, and so dedicated. 894 01:14:03,041 --> 01:14:06,561 What would you say: is she a little work of art? 895 01:14:06,801 --> 01:14:09,881 If she is a work of art, I'd say she's a big one. 896 01:14:10,161 --> 01:14:14,601 A large, important and powerful work of art within the movement. 897 01:14:15,681 --> 01:14:18,521 And, of course, above all she's a human being, 898 01:14:18,761 --> 01:14:24,041 and her way of being comes across in such an uninhibited fashion, 899 01:14:24,281 --> 01:14:25,881 with full force. 900 01:14:26,081 --> 01:14:29,721 This force can't be brought to a halt, it can't be stopped. 901 01:14:29,961 --> 01:14:32,721 A lot of people want Petra to finally stop, 902 01:14:32,961 --> 01:14:35,481 but she's unstoppable, thank God. 903 01:14:36,161 --> 01:14:40,241 In spite of all his talents, your husband is sometimes accused 904 01:14:40,641 --> 01:14:42,721 of being provincial at heart. 905 01:14:42,961 --> 01:14:47,321 - And this verdict rubs off on his wife. - Ah, I see. 906 01:14:47,721 --> 01:14:50,241 Does it offend you when someone says, 907 01:14:50,481 --> 01:14:55,481 "There is something rather provincial about that Mrs Kohl"? 908 01:14:55,721 --> 01:14:57,841 We all have to come from somewhere. 909 01:14:58,081 --> 01:15:00,841 Provincialism is a tricky question in my case. 910 01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:04,241 In the introduction, you said I'd moved 17 times. 911 01:15:04,521 --> 01:15:07,001 You were wrong. It was 19 times. 912 01:15:07,201 --> 01:15:10,681 So which province are we talking about? You tell me. 913 01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:13,841 Well, we could list all of the 17 or 19 places… 914 01:15:14,081 --> 01:15:16,721 - But you know what I mean. - Of course. 915 01:15:16,961 --> 01:15:19,881 I know you're trying to wiggle your way out of it. 916 01:15:20,161 --> 01:15:22,961 So you don't think you're provincial? 917 01:15:23,161 --> 01:15:28,441 You want to hear my personal opinion on whether I'm provincial? Just say so. 918 01:15:28,681 --> 01:15:29,931 - No. - No. 919 01:15:30,081 --> 01:15:31,721 - Period? - End of story. 920 01:15:33,321 --> 01:15:37,881 Ms Kelly, you just said that the movement had a strength all of its own 921 01:15:38,081 --> 01:15:40,721 and it had nothing to do with the media. 922 01:15:40,961 --> 01:15:44,441 I heard you speak for the first time today and I must say 923 01:15:44,681 --> 01:15:47,841 it has a whole lot to do with the media. 924 01:15:48,081 --> 01:15:50,441 The media have painted such a picture of you, 925 01:15:50,721 --> 01:15:53,281 I wondered who on earth would turn up! 926 01:15:53,601 --> 01:15:56,921 And then you gave a speech like that. Good heavens! 927 01:15:57,961 --> 01:16:00,521 She kind of lost her effect in parliament. 928 01:16:00,761 --> 01:16:03,721 It was a bit like seeing a deer 929 01:16:03,961 --> 01:16:07,081 who had been chased into that room. 930 01:16:07,321 --> 01:16:10,121 Suddenly, all the magic was gone. 931 01:16:10,321 --> 01:16:12,401 She really lost her impact 932 01:16:12,641 --> 01:16:17,321 and the conservative politicians seized the chance to ridicule her. 933 01:16:17,561 --> 01:16:21,801 Since I've been in Bonn, I've become more and more hostile towards men. 934 01:16:22,841 --> 01:16:27,281 I'm talking from my own experience: for the first time I've lost my confidence 935 01:16:27,561 --> 01:16:30,881 and everything that gave me courage to speak in public 936 01:16:31,161 --> 01:16:32,721 in the Bundestag. 937 01:16:32,921 --> 01:16:37,841 I get this tremendous fear and anxiety if I have to speak in the Bundestag. 938 01:16:38,721 --> 01:16:43,561 I'm concerned because I can see that she's wearing herself out unnecessarily, 939 01:16:43,801 --> 01:16:49,081 that she's giving too much of herself and letting herself be ripped to shreds. 940 01:16:49,401 --> 01:16:53,241 And of course I'm also worried that she'll be exploited. 941 01:16:53,481 --> 01:16:56,961 That's the big danger for anyone who becomes a prominent figure. 942 01:16:57,201 --> 01:17:02,561 Yes, let's face it: the standards are set by some actress or other. 943 01:17:02,801 --> 01:17:06,641 Who have been coached and styled for a particular role 944 01:17:06,881 --> 01:17:08,761 and they have their lines. 945 01:17:09,001 --> 01:17:13,041 And if they don't manage it, they repeat it thirty times over. 946 01:17:13,841 --> 01:17:15,641 And then it's great. 947 01:17:15,881 --> 01:17:18,241 People like me stand here at 8 p.m. 948 01:17:18,521 --> 01:17:21,561 after five interviews and various other activities, 949 01:17:21,801 --> 01:17:24,561 in "freefall", as it were, and have to ad-lib. 950 01:17:33,641 --> 01:17:36,201 The lives of the former Green MPs 951 01:17:36,441 --> 01:17:39,721 Petra Kelly and Gerd Bastian ended in tragedy. 952 01:17:40,161 --> 01:17:43,401 This afternoon, investigators announced the cause of death: 953 01:17:43,641 --> 01:17:48,641 The former Bundeswehr general firstly shot his 44-year-old partner. 954 01:17:48,881 --> 01:17:51,081 Bastian then committed suicide. 955 01:17:51,361 --> 01:17:54,361 The reasons behind his actions are still unclear. 956 01:17:59,761 --> 01:18:04,321 Maybe Gert Bastian thought that if he couldn't be there to look after her, 957 01:18:04,561 --> 01:18:06,321 she'd just fall apart. 958 01:18:06,561 --> 01:18:09,441 That was a major error of judgement. 959 01:18:09,681 --> 01:18:12,801 And a patriarchal, protective judgement, too. 960 01:18:13,041 --> 01:18:18,441 Maybe Petra Kelly would have got burnout, as we call it today, 961 01:18:18,721 --> 01:18:22,761 maybe she'd have disappeared for years, having treatment somewhere, 962 01:18:23,001 --> 01:18:26,641 but I'm a hundred percent certain that Petra… 963 01:18:28,001 --> 01:18:31,561 if she'd had the chance to grow old, 964 01:18:31,801 --> 01:18:34,681 she'd have had a second shot. 965 01:18:42,321 --> 01:18:46,521 Hannelore Kohl, the wife of the former federal chancellor, is dead. 966 01:18:46,761 --> 01:18:50,401 She took her life in her house in Ludwigshafen-Oggersheim. 967 01:18:50,641 --> 01:18:54,201 In farewell letters to family and friends she explained her motives: 968 01:18:54,441 --> 01:18:57,081 she had a serious illness, an allergy to light. 969 01:18:57,281 --> 01:19:00,601 The illness had left her barely able to leave the house. 970 01:19:02,721 --> 01:19:06,321 After her funeral, Bernhard Vogel told me 971 01:19:06,561 --> 01:19:10,041 that he'd gone to visit Hannelore, 972 01:19:10,241 --> 01:19:14,641 and he'd arranged to go out and eat with her. 973 01:19:14,881 --> 01:19:18,121 And Hannelore was wearing a white silk blouse, 974 01:19:18,401 --> 01:19:21,081 which kind of draped over her hands, 975 01:19:21,281 --> 01:19:24,121 with these wide sleeves. 976 01:19:24,601 --> 01:19:29,281 And he could see these dark blotches on her skin, 977 01:19:29,521 --> 01:19:31,041 wet blotches. 978 01:19:31,241 --> 01:19:35,041 And when Hannelore noticed he was looking at them, 979 01:19:35,241 --> 01:19:39,401 she pulled her sleeve back and you could see red, raw skin. 980 01:19:39,961 --> 01:19:41,961 And then Bernhard Vogel said, 981 01:19:42,201 --> 01:19:46,561 "A person can't carry on living like that. 982 01:19:46,801 --> 01:19:49,481 That was the moment I realised this." 983 01:20:09,161 --> 01:20:11,081 DAD 984 01:20:11,281 --> 01:20:14,481 Otto Schily, SPD, will now speak. 985 01:20:19,641 --> 01:20:22,921 Allow me to add some personal remarks. 986 01:20:32,441 --> 01:20:34,321 My uncle Fritz Schily, 987 01:20:35,721 --> 01:20:40,441 a sincere and honest man, was a colonel in the Luftwaffe. 988 01:20:45,081 --> 01:20:49,001 Towards the end of the war, he was… 989 01:21:07,561 --> 01:21:09,241 I'm sorry. 990 01:21:13,241 --> 01:21:15,641 9 MAY 1945 991 01:21:16,881 --> 01:21:21,841 Today we bring you the last Wehrmacht report of this war. 992 01:21:22,081 --> 01:21:26,041 Since midnight the weapons on all fronts are silent. 993 01:21:27,241 --> 01:21:29,521 By the order of the Grand Admiral, 994 01:21:29,761 --> 01:21:33,321 the Wehrmacht ceased its hopeless fighting. 995 01:21:34,681 --> 01:21:39,241 With this, a nearly six-year heroic struggle has ended. 996 01:21:40,241 --> 01:21:44,801 It brought us great victories, but also heavy defeats. 997 01:21:45,801 --> 01:21:48,401 The German Wehrmacht 998 01:21:48,641 --> 01:21:52,601 has been honourably defeated by superior forces. 999 01:21:53,321 --> 01:21:56,441 There will now be a three-minute silence. 1000 01:22:00,441 --> 01:22:04,721 After weeks of controversy, the exhibition is finally opening in Munich: 1001 01:22:04,961 --> 01:22:09,481 "The War of Extermination: the Crimes of the Wehrmacht from 1941 to 1944". 1002 01:22:09,721 --> 01:22:14,121 Lord Mayor of Munich, Christian Ude, today accused the CSU 1003 01:22:14,401 --> 01:22:19,241 of fuelling a Neo-Nazi campaign across Germany against the exhibition. 1004 01:22:19,521 --> 01:22:23,081 In my opinion, this exhibition is offensive towards my father. 1005 01:22:23,521 --> 01:22:27,561 I believe that it amounts to incitement of the people, 1006 01:22:28,401 --> 01:22:31,481 slandering the memory of the deceased. 1007 01:22:32,721 --> 01:22:34,601 - It's not… - Arsehole! 1008 01:22:38,401 --> 01:22:40,641 - …to show… - We don't want you here! 1009 01:22:40,881 --> 01:22:44,441 The press are liars! The press are liars! 1010 01:22:45,321 --> 01:22:49,121 - He's on your side! - The press are liars! 1011 01:22:49,321 --> 01:22:52,121 I can still remember how my sister and I 1012 01:22:52,361 --> 01:22:57,081 went to see the exhibition on the Wehrmacht 1013 01:22:57,281 --> 01:22:59,321 and how anxious we were. 1014 01:22:59,561 --> 01:23:03,481 We didn't talk about it until we left the exhibition. 1015 01:23:03,721 --> 01:23:06,361 We were both scared of the same thing: 1016 01:23:06,601 --> 01:23:10,241 it would have been a crazy coincidence, but we hoped we didn't see 1017 01:23:10,481 --> 01:23:12,401 any photos of our dad. 1018 01:23:13,441 --> 01:23:16,561 We were both really worried about it 1019 01:23:16,801 --> 01:23:19,361 and I think a lot of people in our generation 1020 01:23:19,601 --> 01:23:25,121 were worried about seeing their father or grandfather or brother, 1021 01:23:25,321 --> 01:23:28,801 seeing someone you didn't want to see there. 1022 01:23:29,161 --> 01:23:33,961 And then it even became a topic of debate in the Bundestag. 1023 01:23:34,681 --> 01:23:37,921 Everybody knew about it, but you didn't talk about it. 1024 01:23:38,161 --> 01:23:40,281 It was a really taboo topic. 1025 01:23:40,521 --> 01:23:44,681 Then people starting discussing it in public and in their families: 1026 01:23:44,921 --> 01:23:47,481 everyone had a story to tell 1027 01:23:47,721 --> 01:23:50,121 and it was like a veil of lead 1028 01:23:50,401 --> 01:23:54,201 which had enveloped post-war Germany. 1029 01:23:55,601 --> 01:23:59,681 Therefore this is a matter which affects our relations 1030 01:23:59,921 --> 01:24:02,961 with an entire generation of this country. 1031 01:24:04,001 --> 01:24:07,201 Whoever attempts, and attempts are being made, 1032 01:24:07,961 --> 01:24:10,961 to brand an entire wartime generation 1033 01:24:11,201 --> 01:24:15,121 as members and accomplices of a criminal organisation, 1034 01:24:15,321 --> 01:24:19,401 they want to strike Germany at its core, and we will fight back against this. 1035 01:24:19,641 --> 01:24:21,801 Christa Nickels, the floor is yours. 1036 01:24:23,401 --> 01:24:25,481 President, dear colleagues. 1037 01:24:25,721 --> 01:24:28,761 My mother told me that in the 1950s, my father… 1038 01:24:29,001 --> 01:24:32,161 a man toughened by life, who always worked hard, 1039 01:24:32,441 --> 01:24:34,561 never slept with the window open 1040 01:24:34,801 --> 01:24:38,841 and cried out in his sleep every night about fire, about children. 1041 01:24:39,081 --> 01:24:41,241 She said it was just awful. 1042 01:24:42,961 --> 01:24:46,841 Of course, I loved my father a great deal. 1043 01:24:48,161 --> 01:24:51,081 I never heard him talk about what it was like 1044 01:24:51,281 --> 01:24:54,401 to shoot at another human being for the first time. 1045 01:24:54,641 --> 01:24:58,401 And then there was that handshake between our chancellor and Mr Reagan 1046 01:24:58,641 --> 01:25:01,161 at Bitburg cemetery where SS soldiers are buried. 1047 01:25:01,401 --> 01:25:03,241 For the first time, I realised 1048 01:25:03,481 --> 01:25:06,481 that on the only photo of my father from this period, 1049 01:25:06,721 --> 01:25:10,561 he's in a black uniform with a skull and crossbones insignia. 1050 01:25:10,801 --> 01:25:12,841 I was already a Green MP by then. 1051 01:25:13,081 --> 01:25:15,921 I didn't dare ask my father about it. 1052 01:25:16,641 --> 01:25:19,121 I found it extremely difficult. 1053 01:25:19,321 --> 01:25:22,121 I just didn't have the heart to do it. 1054 01:25:22,321 --> 01:25:25,881 And then in 1989, with the Green Party parliamentary group 1055 01:25:26,081 --> 01:25:30,041 I went to Warsaw to commemorate 50 years since the invasion of Poland. 1056 01:25:30,281 --> 01:25:32,081 We went to Majdanek. 1057 01:25:32,281 --> 01:25:37,361 And I only know that Dad was in France, in Russia and in Poland. 1058 01:25:37,601 --> 01:25:40,441 I know that he was captured in Lviv. 1059 01:25:41,161 --> 01:25:44,761 Then I went to Majdanek concentration camp and I have to tell you 1060 01:25:44,961 --> 01:25:47,281 I really fell to pieces one night. 1061 01:25:47,561 --> 01:25:50,121 I was absolutely appalled by the camp, 1062 01:25:50,321 --> 01:25:55,561 but also by how these men had been exploited, my father included. 1063 01:25:55,801 --> 01:25:59,921 They were mainly men, men who loved life and their children. 1064 01:26:00,161 --> 01:26:04,241 I was appalled by how these men had been used in this criminal war. 1065 01:26:04,481 --> 01:26:07,641 They weren't strong enough to take another path. 1066 01:26:07,881 --> 01:26:10,521 They burdened themselves with a terrible guilt 1067 01:26:10,761 --> 01:26:13,121 and were too weak to take another path. 1068 01:26:13,401 --> 01:26:16,081 All of the men and the women and the children, 1069 01:26:16,281 --> 01:26:19,841 I'm the daughter of one of those soldiers, 1070 01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:22,081 feel the impact to this day. 1071 01:26:22,321 --> 01:26:27,041 And Mr Dregger, it's not true that if we show the wounds, 1072 01:26:27,241 --> 01:26:32,001 if we show the unvarnished truth and start to talk about it, 1073 01:26:32,841 --> 01:26:37,241 we're dragging the people involved through the mud or badmouthing them. 1074 01:26:37,521 --> 01:26:41,361 On the contrary, the best thing that could happen 1075 01:26:41,601 --> 01:26:46,361 would be to create a climate in Germany where the elderly fathers and mothers, 1076 01:26:46,601 --> 01:26:50,121 and the children, some older than others, I'm 45 now… 1077 01:26:50,321 --> 01:26:53,361 could come together and have a calm conversation 1078 01:26:53,601 --> 01:26:55,721 about what happened to them. 1079 01:26:55,961 --> 01:26:59,281 I wanted to say that and I must admit I'm impressed by the debate. 1080 01:26:59,561 --> 01:27:04,161 I thought long and hard about speaking up because of course people kept saying: 1081 01:27:04,401 --> 01:27:06,681 "How could you? He was your father." 1082 01:27:06,921 --> 01:27:10,481 But I'm not tarnishing the family name because anyone who knows me 1083 01:27:10,721 --> 01:27:14,081 knows how much I love and loved my parents, my father included. 1084 01:27:14,361 --> 01:27:18,121 And if this debate has helped in any way to change things 1085 01:27:18,321 --> 01:27:23,281 it's because we've started to present our political ideas and our own stories 1086 01:27:23,521 --> 01:27:27,921 in an honest, unvarnished way, using simple yet horrific images. 1087 01:27:28,161 --> 01:27:31,521 That's what I hope for, and I believe this Wehrmacht exhibition 1088 01:27:31,761 --> 01:27:34,921 may be able to set precisely this in motion, 1089 01:27:35,161 --> 01:27:40,241 unless we start to plaster over the wounds and give people false consolation, 1090 01:27:40,481 --> 01:27:42,441 stones instead of bread, 1091 01:27:42,681 --> 01:27:46,241 if today, we say to the people who were involved: 1092 01:27:46,481 --> 01:27:49,681 "It shouldn't hurt you anymore because you had no choice." 1093 01:27:49,921 --> 01:27:52,201 That doesn't help at all. Thank you. 1094 01:28:41,681 --> 01:28:45,601 MRS CHANCELLOR 1095 01:28:45,841 --> 01:28:48,681 Are women simply too modest in politics? 1096 01:28:48,921 --> 01:28:53,841 They say they're not after a majority, although more women vote than men. 1097 01:28:54,081 --> 01:28:58,841 But then to think you could be as strong or stronger in the various parliaments, 1098 01:28:59,081 --> 01:29:02,161 that we could have a female state minister-president, 1099 01:29:02,441 --> 01:29:05,401 a female party leader or even a female chancellor? 1100 01:29:05,721 --> 01:29:10,281 It wouldn't have been possible. You have to keep your feet on the ground. 1101 01:29:11,441 --> 01:29:15,641 A female chancellor in the 1970s and 80s was unthinkable. 1102 01:29:15,881 --> 01:29:18,681 You couldn't jump up and say, "Here I am!" 1103 01:29:18,921 --> 01:29:22,321 Even if you'd been blessed with every talent imaginable, 1104 01:29:22,601 --> 01:29:25,561 it wouldn't have made a difference. 1105 01:29:25,801 --> 01:29:29,521 If the choice had been between the most talented woman of the 1970s 1106 01:29:29,761 --> 01:29:33,281 and some dumb male clown, the clown would have got the job. 1107 01:29:34,201 --> 01:29:36,201 No question about that. 1108 01:29:36,561 --> 01:29:40,361 I always dreamed of being chancellor, if I'm really honest. 1109 01:29:40,601 --> 01:29:43,321 And someone else backed me too. 1110 01:29:43,561 --> 01:29:46,601 There's an old interview in the Spiegel 1111 01:29:46,841 --> 01:29:50,361 where Franz-Josef Strauß says which woman he'd choose as chancellor 1112 01:29:50,601 --> 01:29:52,641 and it was Renate Hellwig. 1113 01:29:52,881 --> 01:29:56,521 Of course, that was a red flag for Helmut Kohl. 1114 01:29:57,401 --> 01:30:01,281 But Strauß didn't do it to please you, he did it to annoy Helmut Kohl. 1115 01:30:01,521 --> 01:30:03,721 - Yes, but… - No, no. 1116 01:30:03,961 --> 01:30:07,041 All the same, I was the only candidate! 1117 01:30:07,321 --> 01:30:10,641 I did run for the post of Young Democrat Chairwoman. 1118 01:30:10,881 --> 01:30:13,201 We know. Did you want to be chancellor? 1119 01:30:13,481 --> 01:30:14,841 Well, I… 1120 01:30:15,801 --> 01:30:18,521 - You'd have been excellent. - Great, maybe so. 1121 01:30:18,761 --> 01:30:21,561 On the other hand, 1122 01:30:21,801 --> 01:30:27,681 chancellors always have this extreme desire, 1123 01:30:27,921 --> 01:30:32,081 this absolute need to gain power and they will stop at nothing. 1124 01:30:32,361 --> 01:30:37,921 I observed this and I partly admired it and partly feared it. 1125 01:30:38,161 --> 01:30:40,441 But I never wanted to be like that. 1126 01:30:40,681 --> 01:30:44,201 If I could have become chancellor without all that, then maybe. 1127 01:30:44,481 --> 01:30:46,601 And why can't you say, "Absolutely! 1128 01:30:46,841 --> 01:30:49,801 Theoretically speaking, I would have done it." 1129 01:30:51,161 --> 01:30:53,161 No, I can't! 1130 01:30:53,401 --> 01:30:56,161 Do you seriously think that my party 1131 01:30:56,401 --> 01:31:00,601 would accept Mrs Merkel's offer of talks under these circumstances 1132 01:31:00,841 --> 01:31:03,761 when she says she wants to become chancellor. 1133 01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:06,521 Let's not get too carried away now! 1134 01:31:06,761 --> 01:31:11,721 The German voters sent out a clear signal as far as the chancellor candidate goes. 1135 01:31:12,521 --> 01:31:17,401 "I swear that I will dedicate my efforts to the well-being of the German people 1136 01:31:17,641 --> 01:31:21,361 promote their welfare, protect them from harm, 1137 01:31:22,081 --> 01:31:26,281 uphold and defend the Basic Law and the laws of the Federation, 1138 01:31:26,561 --> 01:31:29,241 perform my duties conscientiously, 1139 01:31:29,481 --> 01:31:32,321 and do justice to all. 1140 01:31:32,921 --> 01:31:35,201 So help me God." 1141 01:31:36,161 --> 01:31:38,881 Sometimes history makes you lose hope. 1142 01:31:39,081 --> 01:31:43,641 But sometimes it also makes you want to let out a little whoop of joy. 1143 01:31:43,881 --> 01:31:45,681 I mean… 1144 01:31:46,921 --> 01:31:50,881 of course I can't support everything Angela Merkel does politically. 1145 01:31:51,161 --> 01:31:54,161 But what I find really wonderful 1146 01:31:54,401 --> 01:31:59,121 is how she became chancellor and how long she's stayed chancellor. 1147 01:31:59,521 --> 01:32:03,441 At any rate, she's very adept at dealing with power. 1148 01:32:03,681 --> 01:32:06,881 The way she fends off her older and younger rivals 1149 01:32:07,161 --> 01:32:10,481 with a flick of the wrist… it's certainly impressive. 1150 01:32:10,721 --> 01:32:15,361 "You must fight tooth and nail, but make it appear smooth and effortless." 1151 01:32:15,601 --> 01:32:20,321 I learned this lesson, too, and I know that "fight" isn't the right word… 1152 01:32:20,561 --> 01:32:23,041 in the context of the women's movement 1153 01:32:23,241 --> 01:32:26,081 and certainly not for male-female relations, 1154 01:32:26,281 --> 01:32:28,881 but it is the right approach. 1155 01:32:51,561 --> 01:32:53,681 In 1908 women weren't even allowed 1156 01:32:53,921 --> 01:32:57,841 to attend political events or meetings of political associations. 1157 01:32:58,081 --> 01:33:00,081 In 1918 they first got the vote. 1158 01:33:00,361 --> 01:33:02,721 Then it was taken away again. 1159 01:33:03,881 --> 01:33:07,281 They "manned up" during the war, 1160 01:33:07,561 --> 01:33:12,761 but then let themselves be driven back into the kitchen, 1161 01:33:13,281 --> 01:33:17,161 making space for the men who had returned from the war. 1162 01:33:17,401 --> 01:33:20,281 These things take time, you know, 1163 01:33:20,521 --> 01:33:23,041 because it's a battle, a battle for power. 1164 01:33:23,241 --> 01:33:26,161 Each position which is occupied by a woman 1165 01:33:26,401 --> 01:33:29,881 won't be occupied by a man anymore, so they have something to lose. 1166 01:33:30,081 --> 01:33:33,081 So we have to make it clear that it's not really a loss. 1167 01:33:33,361 --> 01:33:36,241 Maybe it's better if men and women join forces. 1168 01:33:36,481 --> 01:33:39,161 But implanting this awareness 1169 01:33:39,401 --> 01:33:41,641 in people's minds, 1170 01:33:42,721 --> 01:33:44,721 that's difficult. 1171 01:33:44,961 --> 01:33:48,441 But maybe we'll manage it over the next 25 years. 1172 01:33:53,601 --> 01:33:55,201 I think we will. 1173 01:34:12,641 --> 01:34:14,161 Are we all ready? 1174 01:34:36,361 --> 01:34:38,441 Well… we're done. 1175 01:34:57,201 --> 01:34:59,681 "Ladies, if we do nothing today, 1176 01:34:59,881 --> 01:35:03,001 we will live tomorrow as we did yesterday." 1177 01:35:03,241 --> 01:35:07,041 Unfortunately, this appeal by Annemirl Bauer from 1988 1178 01:35:07,241 --> 01:35:09,481 still rings true today. 1179 01:35:09,721 --> 01:35:11,761 For the first time in 20 years, 1180 01:35:12,001 --> 01:35:15,681 the share of women in the Bundestag has fallen to just 30.7 percent. 1181 01:35:15,921 --> 01:35:19,561 Women are still paid less than men, are less likely to be promoted 1182 01:35:19,801 --> 01:35:22,761 and carry the greatest burden in family life. 1183 01:35:23,001 --> 01:35:26,521 Populists would like to send women back to the kitchen and nursery 1184 01:35:26,761 --> 01:35:30,601 and the Internet is rife with hate against dedicated female politicians. 1185 01:35:30,841 --> 01:35:33,881 What former Health Minister Käte Strobel once said 1186 01:35:34,161 --> 01:35:36,041 is as relevant today as ever: 1187 01:35:36,241 --> 01:35:43,161 "Politics is far too serious a matter to be left in the hands of men alone!" 101614

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