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So, hi everybody.

We're back healing, an
awakening retreat this time.

It's the conversation with Scott KBY
and, um, I'll bring him right on.

Hi Scott.

Hi grace.

Thanks for having me on here.

Yeah, thank you for coming.

So Scott, you, um, you said to me, and
maybe that's a good place to start.

You said to me, you know, I just
want to talk about the inquiries

because that's what I'm doing now.

And I don't see myself really
as a spiritual teacher.

So can you comment on that?

I can.

I mean, the, the, the change
happened for me when I was

working with people in groups, in
private sessions a few years ago.

Is that a lot of people that
were coming to me were seeking,

uh, enlightenment or awakening.

And, you know, I was doing the best
I could, you know, spontaneously

kind of sharing from the direct
experience as they say, as teachers do.

But what I found out is that once I
started to have a more systematic way of

helping them look in a way that they could
actually look in their own experience, it

sort of took the teacher part out of it.

It seemed to like, just
cut me outta the picture.

And then I realized that I could
actually train other people

to facilitate those inquiries.

And then it became less about the teacher,
which thankfully, because it's not

about me and more about everybody being
able to look into their own experience

and, you know, cut through some of
the stuff that's creating suffering.

And that, it's just a huge, great
thing for me to be able, just to

step back and say, look, this work
is available to everybody now.

And we have people facilitating
it all over the place.

It's not about Scott Kilby.

Like it never was.

But it's just, I feel
that feels good to me.

You know, that that's, that
that's something that we're

contributing to this whole thing.

Yeah.

Well, it's certainly what, you know, what
made me ask you to come onto this retreat?

Because it seemed like, you know,
you're not a, a, a traditional,

you're not you, you're not, you're
not in any of the traditional healing

fields and yet you're doing something
with people that's very practical.

That's supposed to respond to,
you know, to, to, um, conditions,

issues, pain that they have that
they want to resolve in their lives.

So, you know, I mean, it could be
considered to contribute to their healing.

Yeah.

That, that's a good way to say
is that, is that all of the

facilitators and I are contributing.

To people healing, but you know, the
difference is, is that they're doing that,

not by relying on an outside authority,
but by actually taking tools inwardly.

And then so, and in some ways the
inwards become every everybody's

tools, they're everyone's tools
that nobody really owns them.

And yeah, so in that way,
we're all contributing to that.

And, and, and I feel good about being
able to contribute partly to that

instead of what I used to do, which
is to sit in front of the room where

all the focus was on me and somehow
what I was going to say, you know,

really meant something important.

And, and there was always something in, in
that whole situation that fell off for me.

And I couldn't pinpoint it, even if
I would try to sort of say, you know,

there's nobody here and there's no
teacher on some level, I was setting

it up as if there was because of the
setup in the room or because of, you

know, but the focus is now shifting
to away from me and into so that

everybody can look with these tools and.

Yeah, that, that feels
good for me to do that.

Mm-hmm yeah.

Mm-hmm

it's like, um, it's, it's a bit like the
shift from monarchy to democracy, right?

Yeah.

I love that.

Instead of being, instead of being
the king, that tells everybody what

to think, you know, you're actually
shifting to enabling everybody.

Yeah.

That's the right way.

So yeah.

To realize what's real.

Yeah.

What's true.

That's, that's a great way to say.

Yeah.

Shifting from mono,

just a quote to me, you know,
I'm a former political theorist,

so, ah, that explains it.

but Scott, um, so, so
let's get back to this.

Okay.

Um, what, what I'd also like to
know is how, how did you get there?

I mean, like, you know, you had an
awakening experience that was fairly

major, that, that created like a major
kind of upheaval in your life and,

you know, shifted you out of your
profession into doing something else.

And so why don't you tell us about that?

Because not everybody knows you and
also people are always very interested

in what, what's it like to have
one of those awaken experiences?

Um, yeah, I mean, I'll
talk about the experience.

It was, um, okay.

Yes.

What, what happened to me after
sort of inquiring in a certain way?

Although in a less structured
way than we do it now is, um,

just the, just the very, Hmm.

How do, how do you describe it?

Uh, It was the loss of, of something
that I thought I was, I guess you

could say it was just that that
feeling is that whatever Scott was

that was seeking this and seeking that.

And so caught up in that just felt
like a complete fiction at that point

mm-hmm and you know, and so that brought
a real lightness, like just, it was,

um, it wasn't even a thinking thing.

It's not like I thought
I'm having an awakening.

It was not like that.

Yeah.

It was just, it was almost like
the absence of that, but, you know,

and, and it was really okay, so
there was lots of laughter, lots of

joy and lots of streaming love and
everything that that's that true.

But the thing, what I found later is
that in some ways, not my whole body

didn't awaken mm-hmm, , you know,
it's like part of it did, um, the, the

head, cause I think a lot of people
have kind of like that head awakening,

like you, things get cleared away.

Um, and then, you know, I felt some
of that opening in my chest, but I can

definitely say that other parts of my body
were still contracted in certain ways.

And, and I was completely
unconscious of it.

Didn't even know, um, and, and walked
around for a while kind of thinking

that I'd had a final waking, like
I think a lot of people either seek

for, or claim to have had mm-hmm

And what happened is that I, I began to
investigate a little bit deeper and that's

where I saw, well, there's this whole
element of deepening that is really rich.

That's so rich.

Mm-hmm um, that to say, this is really
just about an experience robs us of that,

you know, it robs us of this deepening
experience that goes fully embodied it's

you can feel it in every where you start
to feel it in every level of your being,

you know, like always everything mm-hmm

So that's really kind of where the
inquiries came into is they came

from my own sort of leftover little
stuff, or maybe big stuff that was

still, you know, a contraction here
or there, or a story here or there an

addiction here or there that I began
to investigate with these inquiries.

And, um, you know, they were so
effective for me that I started to

wanna share 'em with, with other people.

So that's how.

Basically.

Yeah.

So, Scott, um, let me just, uh,
kind of follow this, follow this

expression a bit more, um, deepening,
you know, deepening of awakening.

Um, suddenly my teacher Ji talk a lot
about that still does, um, in the sense

that awakening is, is, is almost like a
moment where, you know, something shifts.

Um, and then it's like the
realization of that shift.

It's almost like it has to
become cellular at every level.

Yeah.

Or it has to like recontract everything
that's detract that's contracted, right?

Yeah.

So, and that can take maybe a lifetime
who knows, you know, I mean, uh, it's

possible that it's so absolute for
people that they there's nothing left.

There's no contraction left.

There's nothing that's still
sticky and, you know, potentially

painful or irritating or whatever.

But for most people it
seems that there is.

And, and so the interesting question
becomes, well, how do I live that?

Yeah.

And you know, there's also the little bit
of the, it's so easy to, to be deceived

when you have an awakening experience.

Even if it's not like a big bang kind of
thing, even if you have just this powerful

moment, like a lot of people do where
they mm-hmm really realize there's no

self, but it's not necessarily filled with
filled with a lot of bells and whistles.

It's just this sort of subtle recognition.

There's I think there's a little bit
of deception that can come in that

says, well, somehow I, this is, this
is a full awakening or a final awaken.

It's very easy to do.

Yes.

So easy to do.

And I think I did it.

And so many people that I know who, you
know, some teach and some don't did that.

Mm-hmm um, and some will admit
to the fact and some won't, you

know, that's what was going on.

Um, but yeah, like I love, I
forgot your teacher's name.

Say that again?

Goji goji, right?

Goji.

Yes.

I'm familiar.

So I love that because everything that
was contracted becomes uncontracted,

that's a great way of saying it really is.

And that's really, to me, one way of
talking about the deepening is just to,

but it's, it's such a rich exploration
and in some ways I think how long it

takes, it almost becomes irrelevant.

You know, when you're, when you're really
sort of just realizing this is a present

moment by moment being with, and you,
you're not really playing the time game

as much after mm-hmm you can investigate
if you're still playing the time game.

If you're still seeking in time,
you can investigate that mm-hmm and

then it becomes rather a deepening
that's very natural that happens.

And there's no, and all of the things
that were really worrisome in the

beginning, where you were trying to
get somewhere, you know, you're trying

to get to that place that can all kind
of start to relax where you, and then

you start, then you start seeing things
shifting in different ways in your life.

That's what happened for me.

And, um, yeah.

So, yeah.

Great topic.

So, um, you've been very open
about, you know, addictions and

having had to kind of, you know,
deal with those in your own life.

So maybe, maybe could chat,
just tell us a bit about that.

Like, you know, obviously that's
how the inquiries race started for

you in a kind of less formal way.

Yeah.

And I can, so would you say that was
one of your contractions, one of the

kind of places where, you know, things
got very contracted and, and, and,

and like the addictive behavior was a
seeming way out of that contraction.

Yeah.

That's exactly what I would say.

It's it's it's not.

Okay.

So yes, that's that's, that
was definitely the case.

the thing is, is I think this is,
this is an interesting topic because

someone will say, well, that,
you know, from an absolute sense,

addiction is just happening and you
could say that about everything.

Cause that's just obvious at some
point that everything is just

happening and you, and there could
be no interest in looking at that.

Right.

Um, but what I found was is
with the addiction, um, that

it was like an opportunity.

It was an opportunity to
see what was actually still

unconscious in my experience.

And what I came to found out is that
the contractions were unconscious.

I, I had not seen that they were there and
I had not seen how they were contributing

to the outward behavior of addictions.

And this was even after the
big experience, there were

things still happening.

Mm-hmm and I think that's
actually the case for a lot of

people, but I think sometimes.

Some sort of experience, some people
will say, Hey, you know, it's all just

happening and there's an addiction
here, which again, that's fine.

Except for there's still
something operating there on an

unconscious level that hasn't been
awoken to, if that's the right.

It hasn't, but there hasn't
been awakening to that yet.

Mm-hmm um, in, in addiction.

So as I began to explore that more,
it was just, again, an even deeper

relaxation in the midst of those things.

So that even those things could be,
could begin to relax, not just the

spiritual seeking, but these other
sort of seeking avenues of addiction.

Yeah.

Well seeking wellbeing when
you're not feeling well.

Right.

Because that's really the, the
mechanism that drives a lot yeah.

Of addictive behavior.

Absolutely.

Or probably any behavior.

Yeah.

yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

there's not anything else to
say for the rest of the retreat.

Cause that actually does
sum it up, you know?

Okay.

So, um, well, but you could, uh,
you could kind of deepen the, the

understanding of that maybe yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, when it comes
to the addictions, I think

you're you're right on.

And I mean, the, the, the, what I came to
see is that every time I was reaching out

towards something, whether it was money
or sex or, or, um, caffeine or sweets

mm-hmm , there was something in my body
somewhere mm-hmm that felt contracted

and dense, and it's almost like that
sensation was screaming out for something.

And it would just keep screaming every
day or regularly until it got looked at.

And then once, you know, once I could
look at it, then, you know, the outward

movement could start to relax, but.

And yeah, so that's, it was very
uncomfortable actually, and was

so uncomfortable that it was
just easier to drink some coffee

or reach for something else.

Yeah.

And, you know, um,

how do I say this?

It's that it's that resistance to
what's uncomfortable or the evasion

of what's uncomfortable, you know,
trying to get away from that.

Yeah.

That, that, um, you know, like a
therapist will look at too, or will be

dealing with, because typically what
happens is, you know, that when say,

you know, when I work with a client
and, uh, there's a painful issue, right.

So they have their
usual coping mechanisms.

some of which may be addictive.

Others may be more like mental, you
know, they go into a story mm-hmm and,

um, they need to understand it or they
need to find out why, why the person

did what they did or why they're
doing what they're doing and why

they're feeling, what they're feeling.

It's very kind of, Ooh,
it just turns in the head.

Right?

Yeah.

And all this is innovation of
what's painful or uncomfortable.

Yeah.

And so what I do a lot with people
is just trying to kind of invite

them to, to open to that discomfort.

Yeah.

And, you know, I, I, I I've, I
assume that that's what you're

doing with the inquiry too.

you know, except that maybe
it's a bit more structured.

I mean, you, you, you have like
a tool where you say, okay, you

look at this, you look at that.

Um, you know, yeah, yeah.

That is what we do.

And, and let me just, this is very
impromptu, but just as an explanation,

this is, this is not, but go ahead.

Perfect.

well, you can't see there's a pink
one, an orange one and a blue one.

Okay.

And those represent three aspects of our
experience, words, pictures, and energy.

Okay.

So what you're talking about is
getting people to sit with energy,

but what's difficult in that is
that's not always so easy to do.

Yeah.

Because, because the words in the
pictures are stuck to the energy.

So let's say that this is the energy.

Okay.

If we say, if I say to someone
drop into the energy, I used to say

this all the time in meetings, I
used to say, just drop into that.

And I thought that they were
just dropping into that, but what

they were dropping into was this.

Oh Scott, but I, I , I'm
going to be flippant.

I'm going to say that the
energy has to be orange Scott.

Oh,

okay.

You can choose the other colors.

I know what you mean though.

Yeah.

Cause the orange is energetic color.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

So, okay.

So, so orange is the energy and
the other two are the images

and the, and the thoughts.

Yeah.

Would you say, well, the words
and, and the words and pictures.

Yeah.

Okay.

And, and I think you're exactly right.

That's what we do with the inquiries
is we wanna really get people to

sit with the energy because that's
how it can, by letting it be, as

it is, it can start to release.

And that's very powerful.

But what happened in my old talks
is I would, I thought people were

being with the words and pictures.

I mean, being with the energy yeah.

Who I found out is that were very subtle.

Sometimes very unconscious
words and pictures that were

Velcro or stuck to the energy.

But the inquiries, what they do is
they, they systematically ask us to look

at, for example, a picture by itself.

Mm-hmm and see if that's the self, if
we're looking for a self mm-hmm , that's

one of the things we try to find things.

So if we're trying to find the one
who's alone, you know, if that's

your identity, the person who's
alone we ask is that picture by

itself, you the one who's alone.

And if they say yes, what they're
telling us is that there's

energy stuck to that picture.

That's the, what the yes.

Tells us.

Yes.

They're getting that.

So the picture may be a memory or
it may be a, a, an act just, just,

you mentioned it could be a kind
of, I don't know, like a key memory

that a person has of an event.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, we call 'em just
words or pictures, but okay.

But, but pictures could be
anything from very vague shapes

to very specific dad's face.

It could be picture, but they're all
we call them just pictures, you know,

mm-hmm um, so that tells us that,
that there's a pic, that, that it's

hard for them in that moment to sit
with the energy, because this picture,

whether it's a picture of dad's face
or whatever is feeling so important.

And that's why we wanna look at that
and see if that's the thing that we're

looking for, whatever the picture is.

And once they kind of see that that's
actually just a picture, it's not

who they are, then they it's easier
than to drop into just the feeling

mm-hmm and sit with that and see.

And then, so even though, but even
when we're sitting with that, you know,

there's often some words that go with it.

That's another VE or the words
are stuck with the energy.

Yes.

So we'll say, well, what
are the words coming up?

Or what does the sensation want?

And, and they'll say, well, it's
the words are coming up, or this is

familiar and I don't wanna let this go.

So then we have them look at
those, um, mm-hmm those words.

to really look at the, the words
themselves, not the meaning of

them, but the words to see if that's
the self that they're looking for.

Cause that's what we do.

We try to find a self or whatever.

And then, um, and then once the words
are peeled off again, so we just

keep peeling those things off so
they can really sit with that energy.

And then we ask, you know, is that
energy, the one who's, um, alone

or whatever we're looking for.

And uh, and then they say, well,
no, now that I've peeled everything

off, it's just that energy.

Okay.

Now can you just be with that?

Can you open to that?

You know, that's really what we do,
but that's, that's just part of what

we do, but yeah, it's just like that
exactly is being with the energy opening

to that feeling or that sensation
mm-hmm but more systematic way.

Mm-hmm mm-hmm and you find that
if you use that more systematic

way, that it's easier for people
finally to arrive just at that

energy level, at that feeling level.

I instantly saw a difference in
my private sessions years ago.

Mm-hmm when I started
using the systematic way.

It was just like, we were, I was
seeing breakthroughs like so much

faster and so much more like clear
for people when I wasn't just sort of

throwing things out spontaneously when
I was actually had a, a way of that.

They could look, you know, a way
of really tracking their experience

and it was really helpful that way.

So, yeah, I mean, just for me that
it's, it's been much more effective

in my own life too, you know, mm-hmm,
not just with my clients, but yeah.

Yeah.

I remember, um, I remember seeing on
Facebook some time ago, I can't remember

when, um, you are talking about having
cancer and, uh, responding to it with that

same, just looking with the same inquiry.

Yeah.

Um, and you know, cancer
is something that's very.

fear written for a lot of people.

And the fear is also something that
gets generated by the medical system.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I've had cancer myself,
so I know , I've been through the,

you know, the, the, the steps of that
and, uh, what would be interesting,

I mean, to, to hear you, you know,
like how, how did you respond to that?

I mean, how did you, what did
that look like effectively?

Like, you know, in reality,
how, how did you do this?

How did you use the inquiry for this?

Okay.

So when I was first diagnosed with
cancer, when the doctor said it,

there was just a very mild sensation
of anxiety that came up and lasted

literally about three or four seconds.

And then there was just
a piece mm-hmm okay.

But.

So that was fine.

You know, in other words, I
kind of already looked at a

lot of that stuff before then.

Mm-hmm and it just didn't, but
definitely somewhere during, uh,

the recovery process, what I noticed
that something that did trigger me

was, uh, again, something that was
unconscious in me, which is when all

these people tried to come and help
me, I was getting emails left and write

about, take this supplement, do this.

Why are you doing that?

Don't do this.

Mm-hmm . And, and what happened was
is that, that something within me

that got formed as a childhood, when
my dad used to try to take care of

me and it, there was this deficiency
story in me that I'm, I'm helpless,

that I can't take care of myself.

Yeah.

I thought it had been seen through,
because it was a nowhere on my

conscious radar, but, you know,
luckily we have other people

called it up again.

Right.

yeah.

Right.

You know, everybody's my teacher
is not just a cliche, right?

No, really.

So it was, it should
trigger something in me.

So that's what I did was I got to, what we
do with this work is we use relationship

to put a name to what's being triggered.

So for example, we called a Panorama.

So I put a Panorama of those people up
around me that were trying to help me.

And I asked, what is that mirroring
back about who I am, you know, in

this trigger and what came, the
words that came up for me were is

that I can't take care of myself.

Mm-hmm and you know, automatically
I got a picture of my dad.

I got the words, I can't
take care of myself.

I got that lump in my throat.

So what I did is I looked for the one
who couldn't take care of himself.

I looked through the words that pictures
and the energy, really looking everywhere

to see if I could find it and then, and
peeling away, eventually peeling away.

Those words and pictures.

I got to open to that energy
that had never been faced.

That particular that had
never been faced and felt.

there was a tremendous
release from that story.

It's almost like the entire, that
little ed of that story that had been

unconscious up until that point just sort
of became illuminated and then fell away.

And, you know, again, it just
makes life richer then, because

then you don't get that trigger.

People are just trying to help, you
know, they're just sending they're

well wishes that, you know, it was
a trigger in me that I had, I had

to recognize for myself and look at.

Hmm.

Yeah.

But I mean, just little things, like I'll
tell you a little bit about the cancer.

You know, I did have to
go through radiation.

It was, it was a hard decision.

The particular cancer that I had
was really responsive to radiation.

Mm-hmm , it's one of the unusual ones.

That's actually like 95, 90
8% responsive to radiation.

And I felt it was in my stomach and
there was a lot of, uh, nausea for about

mm-hmm a month mm-hmm so, one thing
I did is just, I looked for the threat.

That's our anxiety inquiry.

, you know, the, the body is
perceiving some threat, but a lot

of times it's not a real threat.

It's a threat that's being created
by words and pictures, um, that are

coming through words about the nausea
or mm-hmm pictures around, you know,

memories of the treatment or something.

So I went to look for the threat
in that, and then I couldn't

find it, you know, and, and not
being able to find that threat.

There was just that sensation
of nausea, which by the way, had

diminished a lot because of the
words and pictures being seen to.

And then yes, just so it's yeah.

It's like the treatment can be sometimes
bad or worse than the mm-hmm sometimes

it's that we don't just use this
inquiry with people on their condition.

We use it on the treatment, you
know, the stuff that they . Yeah.

it's crazy.

Isn't it?

I mean,

you know, cancer is such a, um,
cancer's such a teacher, isn't it?

If you let it be.

Yeah, because it's not
just the diagnostic.

It's, it's, it's the whole, I mean,
it's the whole journey from the

diagnostic to the treatments, the
various forms of treatments and

because most cancer treatments are
very invasive and, and kind of tough on

the body and tough on the psyche too.

Um, they are really bringing up
a lot of stuff, a lot of people.

And if you allow, if you allow yourself
to who actually let that be an opportunity

to go deeper and to, to, I mean, I would
say to just be with whatever comes up.

um, you would probably
say in inquiry, right?

Yeah.

Then it can actually be, I,
I experience it as incredibly

freeing it's incredibly freeing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and, you know, probably what you're
talking about when I'm talking about

are not much different being with is
what we do, you know, mm-hmm we just

do it with a certain question that yes.

Um, that peels stuff apart, but
it's it, a lot of what we do is just

being with stuff, just being, just
be with that picture for a second,

you know, just be with that feeling.

And that's a big part of what we do and,
and it has a incredible healing effect.

I mean, it does, it, it's really hard to
put into words, but it has an incredible

healing effect to really be with what
is, well, you know, what you described

this, this picture of, uh, not being able
to take care of yourself, . I mean, the

feeling I imagined that was, there was
one of, uh, helplessness or powerlessness.

Yeah.

Anger even sucks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so when you, when, when you really,
I mean, the, the, the paradoxical

thing is when you really just allow
the energy to be what it is, it

switches often into its opposite.

Yeah.

You know, like the powerlessness
becomes a, a huge experience of, well,

of course I can take care of myself.

I can do what I want.

Well, yeah.

It's just a real, you know, I have
the choice of doing whatever it is

that I feel like doing, or I feel
like trying out in terms of treatment

because, because that's my choice.

Yeah.

And, um, that, that, that
paradoxical thing that when you

no longer resist it, it shift.

You know, it, it, I mean, I, I
understand that energetically, right?

So if you, if you don't resist a
certain energy, it just shifts.

It's the resistance that
keeps it locked into place.

Absolutely.

It's sure.

So, so what you're doing with the
inquiry is just a very neat way of

helping people to get to the point where
they're no longer resisting the energy.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly what we're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, there's so many ways to
talk about that because it's hard to

talk about the benefits of this kind
of work or even being with, until you

go through it, mm-hmm , you have to sit
with it and see, you know, but yeah.

There's so many different
ways of looking at that.

Like just the, you know, people not
being feeling like they can't, they

cannot create freely or they can't,
they can't love and communicate

freely is a lot, has to do with
the resistance to core feelings.

they just haven't been met yet or core
stories that haven't really been examined

and, and not in a psychological sense,
but have not really been seen, you know?

Yes.

Um, and so yeah, it, if you look at that
stuff and it, and it tends to be cleared

away, there's obviously gonna be a greater
CAPA, greater ability to, or greater

freedom to create, for example, or greater
freedom to communicate and say, you know,

what you really feel, and what's really
going on for you mm-hmm or wherever that

blockage was, whether it's, you know,
anything, wherever that blockage was,

if you, if you meet it and you face it,
the potential that was blocked is yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, it's like the atom,
you know, I mean, when the

atom's no longer held and it.

in its, um, kind of usual structure.

It explodes into enormous energy.

Yeah.

Right.

that's a lot of energy.

, it's a lot of energy, but you know, I
mean, we have a lot of energy, right.

I mean, if we are no
longer in contraction, wow.

The energy that's set
free is, is enormous.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

I was just saying today,
I just feel so good.

You know, like just being able to walk
around, I feel like I'm a kid again.

I mean, just doing this work, it
just feeling like, you know, you

just, you know, where it's like,
you, you just feel good to be alive.

You just, just walk around, you know,
and, and parts of your body, you didn't

even know were kind of closed off or open.

It's like, wow.

What?

You know, it's awesome.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, if you're willing to
go deep with it, it really is.

Yeah.

and maybe that's the difference between
traditional, um, you know, traditional

advisor non-dual teachings and the,
the current kind of Western versions

of it that people come to to discover,
um, which is that there's something

there's something to be lived in this
life, you know, um, like this discovery,

that, of the potential that's there.

When, when there is, you know, contraction
that's set free, that's liberated.

Yeah.

Um, and in traditional teachings,

that doesn't matter, you know,
because it's at a human level.

It's, it's like not
interesting, but it seems,

I don't know.

It seems like that so many people in
the west who've woken up are looking to,

to, um, like, you know, even at Shanti
people, like at Shanti say it it's all

about how it's lived out, you know,
how, what, what does, what does it mean?

What does it mean in everyday life
to, to live in a way that's no longer

caught by the, by the concepts and the,
the identities that we thought we had.

Right.

you know, the, I think when you say
traditional teaching, you're talking

about Western therapy or therapeutic type.

Um, no, I'm talking about traditional
advisor teachings that come out

of Asia, uh, versus what the, the
Western kind of, you know yeah, yeah.

People like you, who, who somehow have
had awakening experiences, but who,

who, who feel the, the calling to take
them somewhere completely elsewhere?

You know?

No.

Yeah, that, that's the thing that
I like is not feeling like I'm

constrained to a certain thing.

I wanna be able to explore and.

And find out what works for
me, not what works for somebody

else, what works for me.

Mm-hmm and, and then, and not feel like I
can't go out beyond the bounds of certain

ideas that have been given to me now.

I was always sort of a rebel anyway.

I mean, just growing today, I
learned that I can't fit in the box.

You know, just that feeling of
being that little gay kid, you

tell me it's like this, and I'm
gonna tell you it's not like that.

Yeah.

You know, so that kind of, that, that
thing is in me is really to explore it.

And that's been the fun part of this is
to sort of say, you know, where, where

is even the traditional teaching still
feeling limited to me, where can we now?

Can we go beyond that?

Can we move beyond it and somewhere
else and explore and create.

And yeah, that's definitely
interesting to me.

And, you know, I think O once you are
no longer bound by the, the pictures

and the, and the, um, the words.

the energy will move
where it'll it'll move.

I mean, that's for each
of us to discover, right?

Yeah.

I mean, we can have no idea
about where that's going to move.

like, you know, when I, before I
had the, this, this notion that I

was going to organize this retreat,
I had no idea that I was gonna do.

Yeah, right.

And then all of a sudden it
kind of dropped into my space.

Yeah.

And it wouldn't leave so
that's how it's.

So I had to do something with it.

Right.

and, and that's awesome.

Cuz look what happened.

I mean, here you are.

I know, right?

It's beyond belief.

I mean, that's great.

That's how it happened.

It reminds me with the treatment
center, you know, that open up around

this work, we opening up a recovery
center in Palm Springs and it's it

happened exactly the same way cuz
I was going around giving talks.

Well, I was actually doing these
inquiries with people and people and

some people came up and said, look,
I want to give some money to you so

we can open up this treatment center.

And I was like, wow.

You know, like, didn't
see that coming, you know.

And then here I am
about to open the thing.

So it's like, yeah, you, we can't know.

And I think that's what I think
you're, you're totally right.

Is that when these things start to get
seen through and, and the self-limiting

beliefs are not there as much or at
all, then it's like, it feels like you

could just go, it just feels like you
could just go in whatever direction.

And it seems like things just happened.

I don't know how that works.

it just does.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Huh.

So Scott, this feels like
a kind of natural break.

So what I'd like to do is just go to the
YouTube comment page and see, uh, what

people are putting up in terms of comment
and whether anybody wants to come up to

ask you a question, would that be okay?

That'll be okay.

And let me say one thing
before you do that.

Um, you generously asked me if, if I
would work with somebody one on one with

the inquiries and reluctantly, I said no.

And let me explain why mm-hmm , there's
no better way to get a feel of this

work that we're doing than to either
to actually be facilitated in it.

Another good thing is to watch
somebody being facilitated.

But the problem with our time
constraint is that these facilitations

are often at least an hour long.

And if we don't give it that
much nurturing, something could,

could be brought up some energy.

And then the person could sort of
just be left there without being

able me being able to follow through.

And we like this.

We like the support system
that we have for people.

So thank you for the offer to
that, but in case anybody's

wondering why I'm not doing that.

That's the reason.

Yeah.

Thanks for, thanks for mentioning that.

Um, I mean, I.

I had asked Scott before the
session, whether he'd be willing

to demonstrate a, a, a, an inquiry
with somebody, even with myself.

I mean, I would've volunteered
cuz I would've been interested.

Right.

But, um, but he said, it's just, you
know, you can't leave somebody hanging.

Um, and I w he wouldn't
have the time to do it.

So, uh, there are videos that
people can watch aren't there

to, to see how that works.

Yeah.

And we are developing more
videos to, to help that.

Cause we're really trying to teach people
to look on their own mm-hmm and then

we also encourage people to go to living
inquiries.com to meet with facilitators.

Cause the best way to do it.

It's an interactive process.

Yeah.

Facilitators can really take you
deep, but there's also, if you wanna

do it on your own, we're working on
getting more materials out there to

help mm-hmm with that mm-hmm okay.

Okay.

So, um, maybe I should just mention at
this point, the, the way to get those to

those links is to just go to kby.com and
to then go into the living inquiries.

Yeah.

You basically have two choices@kby.com.

You can go towards the, the
addiction work, natural rest,

which will be up in December, or
you can go to the inquiry page.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you for mentioning that.

Oh my pleasure.

I mean, I'm happy to bring that
to people because it sounds

like a great, great thing.

Um, I just wanted to ask and I'm sure
people are curious about that too.

So I'm just going to ask it before
I look at the, at the, at the

comments page, um, how, how are you
running the center for recovery?

I mean, where do the inquiries
come into that framework?

Because I imagine you have to meet fairly.

tight medical requirements and
care requirements and whatever.

Yeah.

Um, surprisingly, to set up the
center, you don't have to, um, in

order to take insurance from people
which we intend to do is so that

people can afford to go there.

We have to have, I'll be actually
studying to, uh, get a, get a, uh,

certified as an addiction counselor
as part of the mm-hmm thing.

Of course mm-hmm and then so
will my other facilitators, but

we'll be doing my work there.

It's it's rather, which
is doing it guidelines.

We will be working with the medical group
for detox and for, to have a doctor, uh,

to deal with some of the medical issues.

So yeah, we've got it.

Yes.

There's quite a few things
we have to get in place.

Mm-hmm mm-hmm . But it's, it's really,
I mean, it's really exciting to see

somebody like you moving into that field
because you know, the medical field is, so

it needs, it needs, um, people like
you, you know, it needs new input and it

needs, uh, input from people that's fresh.

That's that, that isn't too caught in
the contractions of the medical yeah.

Uh, science and, and field.

Yeah.

It's definitely gonna be a different
approach to, to a lot of what's out there.

Yeah.

And I'm really, really excited about
it just to see what, how that unfolds.

Yeah.

Right.

Okay.

So Scott, I'll give you a minutes
break or two or three, and I'll look

at the, I'll look at the YouTube, uh,
page and see what's happening there.

Um,

okay.

So, um,

I'm just going, I have a friend
who's helping in the background and

she's kind of summing up the comments
from the, from the YouTube page.

So she says, uh, Kathleen
says, just curious, this seems

to be an interview format.

Is this the way the whole thing will be?

And Tamara says she really wants
to hear Scott speak for himself.

uh, Susan also says I would like
Scott to lead the discussion

some more somebody else agrees.

Okay.

Sounds like I'm talking too much, Scott

well about the interview format is that
one thing that the, the thing just to

clarify is that I don't do a lot of
what other non-dual teachers do anymore.

Like in other words, I wouldn't
come on here and point to presence.

That's not what I do anymore.

And I mm-hmm, , it's not a
comfortable thing for me anymore.

Um, I'm really here to talk about the
subject that is close to your heart

healing and awakening, and to do it in
the context of the work that we're doing.

And in that way, it sort of
is an interview type thing.

Um, so, you know, I would be, I'd be happy
though, to answer anybody's questions

or anything that they wanna know.

It's just that you're not gonna hear
me start just ranting about awakening.

You're not gonna hear that from me.

Cause I don't do that.

I don't, I don't do it, you know?

So, but I'd be happy to talk
about anything, especially

anything that's really specific
that somebody has to talk about.

Yeah.

Well, you know, there are these
comments, as I see on the YouTube

page, there's waking dreams
dream that says thank you, Scott.

You're awesome.

Um, and there are comments
about, uh, people wanting you

to lead the discussion more.

Um, but nobody seems to have a question.

Hmm.

Well, yeah, well, I'll lead a little
bit just to explain a little bit

more about the inquiries for people
who haven't and then if you see

a question just, okay, go ahead.

Um, yeah.

So the first thing about the
inquiries is that, um, what we do

is we try to find things mm-hmm we
assume that something is real.

You start off assuming
that something is real.

And, and a lot of times people
like to look for the self, but we

have them name it a certain way.

It has to feel personal to like, I'm
the black sheep mm-hmm or I, like

we said, I'm the one who's alone,
or often it's a deficiency story.

Like I'm not good enough or I'm
inadequate or I'm unloved or unsafe.

Those are the really core stories
that we carry around as humans.

And they have a lot to do with
what we're doing in the world.

Like of trying to be successful, trying
to seek enlightenment, trying to improve

ourselves, trying to get the right
relationship, trying to get the right job.

So what we do is we go looking
for that self in a systematic way,

as I was explaining by looking
at words and pictures and energy

in a literal kind of trying to
pinpoint exactly where that self is.

Mm-hmm and then, and not
being able to find it.

What happens is that you
get to meet energy that has

been unconscious and unmet.

And then in reading that
energy, it shifts through.

And as it shifts through the words
and the pictures shift with it

shifting through means that literally
just sort of seems transparent.

Mm-hmm , and, and it's a literal
not being able to find that self.

And in that you learn how to look
on your own as things come up.

So that you're being with things
with this certain question that

we give you with the inquiry, and
then we have two other inquiries.

And that's really just like
the bare explanation of that.

You really kind of have to dive in
with us and look, um, the, the other

two inquiries are the compulsion
inquiry and the anxiety inquiry

mm-hmm because Rippert SP has a really
good quote and I'm gonna butcher it.

But he says that about 5% of suffering
comes from the belief in a separate self

and 90 to 95% comes from fear and lack.

Ah, okay.

And I really like that, um, because
it really fits in what, with what

we're doing with the anxiety inquiry.

And the compulsion inquiry compulsion
is that movement outward towards

a substance, an activity, a person
in sort of in an addictive way.

Like I'm looking for this
person to fulfill me.

I'm looking for that substance
to make me feel better.

I'm looking for this teacher
to make me enlightened.

I'm looking for this program to cure me.

Mm-hmm so that's a compulsion.

It often becomes a compulsion to try
to run away from what's uncomfortable.

So what we do is we look for the urge or
the command, whatever it feels right for

somebody to actually find that thing.

So we might, if I'm working
with somebody on drinking wine,

mm-hmm, drink it every night.

I have them look for the urge to
drink wine mm-hmm . And so they move

through the words and the pictures and
the energy, and they can't find it.

They literally can't pinpoint it.

And when they can't pinpoint it, they
get to meet that energy that has been

unconscious and avoided in the same way.

And that energy can shift through.

And in that the compulsion goes
with it as you, and then, and then

we give them the tool so that they
can look in their own life from

that point on, on any compulsions.

And then anxiety is that fear part of what
Rupert said, you know, mm-hmm , um, and,

and lack is kind of the addiction thing.

I lack something.

So I'm looking for something, the
anxiety is the, the fight flight

or freeze response that we have
two things that happen in life.

And a lot of times we get
anxious or fearful around things

that are not really threats.

So in other words, we're
just thinking too much.

we think a lot.

And so we get scared.

So what we do is we look for the threat.

So if someone says, okay,
I'm, I'm experiencing anxiety.

We literally look for the
threat in their experience.

We look at the words, the pictures
and the interview to see if they

can pinpoint where the threat is.

And then again, in not being able to find
it, the whole thing just becomes, it just

falls apart and they get a relaxation
from the anxiety and that energy,

again, shifts through and becomes more
creative energy, more potential energy.

They can do something with, instead
of being afraid all the time.

Mm-hmm we work with those three inquiries
and we weave them together with people

so that it goes really deep for them.

And ultimately we wanna show them
how to do the looking on their own.

So, yeah, so I led the conversation.

There you go.

Okay.

And I have a few questions for you, Scott.

Okay.

Um, so there's one question from.

Gala, um, I'm dealing with
a long term chronic illness.

What are the key questions I should ask
myself gala so that, you know, if you

came to work with me or a facilitator,
what we would do is we would, we

would look to see what deficient
self is hooked into the condition.

First of all, for example, if I'm
suffering from cancer, we might ask,

okay, what does that mirror back about?

Who I am?

And sometimes people will say, well,
that means I'm broken or that I'm

unlovable, or that there's something
wrong with me fundamentally.

So that's the self that you've named
that is connected to the condition.

So we might then look for that self, that
particular self cause that's gonna be

really personal that self, and then we
would take you through it and you would

see that that's not actually who you are.

It's just a display of words
and pictures and energy.

That you've taken yourself to be.

And as that deficiency story
gets seen through an incredible

amount of the suffering around
the condition can start to relax.

So then you've got just the
physical sensations and maybe some

more stories even about anxiety.

Cause we might enter into the
anxiety inquiry there because of

the threat of what this condition
may mean for you in the future.

So we would look for the threat.

Um, and so the question
would be where's the threat.

So the question on both inquiries, if
you're doing the unfindable inquiries,

where is this person who's broken?

If I look at each set of words by
itself for each picture and each

energy by itself, where is the person
who's broken or where is the threat?

If I looked at those things
now that's basically how you

would do it with this work.

Those are the questions.

However, there's a few
really important nuances.

That we do as facilitators to help
you be with the energy so that

you don't get trapped in the head.

This is not a head inquiry.

It's not an intellectual thing.

So we have ways of keeping you
from getting distracted and from

looking at the right things.

And so what I would say to gala is if
you can't do this on your own is just

go work with one of my facilitators,
because a lot of them have been through

pretty serious illnesses or have worked
with people who have, and they know

exactly what to look at with you.

Okay.

Thanks, Scott.

And there's another question from Anna.

Laura, could you explain more about
the effective tool for dissolving

addiction called the compulsion inquiry?

Yeah.

Uh, probably best to give an example.

Um, and I gave the wine example a second
ago, but let's say someone came to me and

they were addicted to, um, pain killers.

So what's happening is, is that.

there's definitely an
energetic component to that.

In other words, their body is
feeling a craving or something

before they take the painkillers.

And also what's happening is right before
they pull, they put their hand into

the cabinet to grab the painkillers.

There's a little ghost.

We call the ghost image that comes up and
the images of the image of the pills or

an image of something that looks enticing.

And it's that image and that energy
together, which we call the Velcro effect.

That's what is the compulsion,
that image and that energy, or

perhaps it's words and energy.

So what we do is we have people look
for the command to take painkillers.

And so they would look at the mental
picture of the painkillers and see that

actually the command to take the pills
is nowhere on the picture, the command

to take it is not on the picture.

The reason that it looks like it's on the
picture is because there's energy stuck.

Uh, So we have them move into feeling just
the energy as best they can by itself.

And we have them sit with
it, quiet very quietly.

We have ways to get them
to get quiet with it.

And we ask where in that energy is
the command to take the painkillers.

And when they're really quiet
with it, they see that there's no

command in there that doesn't have
anything to do with painkillers.

It's just unmet energy that
hasn't been built as they feel it.

And the, it shifts through the
compulsion can start to fall away.

And then we work with people on any
anxiety that comes up through the anxiety

inquiry on the withdrawals or what life
would be like without the painkillers,

the fear based part of it, you know?

So that's how we would,
that's how we work with it.

Okay.

Great spot.

And there's another
question from waking dream.

Um, can the inquiry be
used to address addiction?

Sorry, can the inquiry
use to address addiction?

Can it also be used to address aversion?

Yes.

Aversion is the anxiety inquiry.

That's another way we talk about it.

Like an attraction and aver
Scott, we lost to try to run.

We lost you there.

Could you just repeat that?

Yeah, I will.

Um, yeah.

So avers, we just talk about in
terms of the anxiety inquiry.

So attraction and aversion are two ways
to talk about the compulsion and the

anxiety inquiry, because a compulsion
is a movement towards something

attraction towards something in order
to run away from some uncomfortable

feeling, whether we're running towards
a spiritual program or a drug or

something else, it's a movement.

Outward aversion is often the feeling
that there's something threatening here.

It's it can be a recoiling or a fight.

Or excuse me, a flight response for
something, an aversion to something.

And that's usually because of
the perception of some threat,

there's some threat somewhere.

And so for that, we use the anxiety
inquiry and see if you can find the

threat in the words, pictures and energy.

So yeah, almost anxiety inquiry is almost,
almost, almost always completely devoted

to the aversion aspect of our experience.

Mm-hmm yeah.

Okay.

Um, so there's a related question to,
uh, sorry, the feed's just kind of

bringing up all kinds of new stuff here.

Are you okay with, uh,
staying on for a bit?

Yeah.

So, um, let's see.

This YouTube feed sometimes is a bit
confusing, but here's the question.

Okay.

Um,

tomorrow I had your question,
but now I can't find it anymore.

Sorry.

Something was just removed.

Hmm.

Okay.

Um, I think there's a question that
just got removed, but there's another

one that says, can you point to
how to find your deficiency story?

Yes.

You know, the best way to
do it is to, to look at how

relationship reveals it to you.

We call it the boomerang.

In other words, if you look, if, if
there's somebody that's triggering

you outside yourself, or even an
object that's triggering you, like

it's something you're addicted to.

If you stop and ask what's this
mirroring back to me about my deficiency.

You'll, you'll start to feel something.

And then you can put a name
to that deficiency story.

Let me give you a couple of examples,
cuz Boomerang's really powerful

to start putting a name to that.

Let's say your, your mother and
your sister both trigger you.

You don't know why it just,
whenever you're around them, you're

so easily fly off the handle.

If you put, if you put them up in
front of you and you kind of stop

focusing on their behavior, stop
focusing on how they should be.

And ask that question.

What?

It's like a mirror relationship.

What are they mirroring back to me
about my identity in this relationship,

you might find out that you might
say, well, I was the one that's not,

I'm the one that's not truly loved or
I'm the one that doesn't fit in here.

Or I'm the one that's just
always not good enough.

You feel it because it's your story.

But you have to ask that question.

What is it MI?

What is, what is this relationship
mirroring back about who I am.

If you stay focused on other people,
you won't see the deficiency story.

You'll only see their, their
problems, their behavior.

And if you focus on yourself in a way
that is merely mental, if you just

run the story in your mind, you often
won't get it because you're too in it.

The story is you.

But if you ask that question, what
is she mirroring back about me

and sit quietly with feeling into
the body and you feel that pain.

There'll be some words that pop
up with that pain, as long as

you make it an identity question.

In other words, who am I
in relation to this person?

Or what is this person mirroring
back about who I am in terms

of a efficiency and that can
usually eliminate it actually.

Okay.

So I now found the, um, the other
question by tomorrow, would you say most

fear is to do with the fear of death?

Non-existence yeah.

Ultimately yes, but it looks like other
things at first, you know, it looks

like, oh gosh, I'm really afraid of
giving the speech tomorrow at work, or

I'm really afraid of being rejected, but
ultimately underlying all of that is the

fear of the death of the self or the,
of, of being nobody or none existence.

I think that's, and that's an inquiry
that we often do with people and

it has profound effect actually.

if you just kind of go right to the
jugular there and you really look

to see that that's really ultimately
what, what one is afraid of.

Yeah, absolutely.

See, one thing before I forget, I know
that there are people who came to the

retreat who are really kind of looking
for a more experiential experience here.

You know, whether it's a teacher pointing
or whatever, and you're probably gonna

get that over the weekend from a few
people, the way that this work works,

this is also is highly experiential,
but it takes to be facilitated on it.

So if, if everybody that we're
listening to, this were in the room

with me, that would be different.

We could be looking together, but
because I can't see you and I can't

hear you, I can't interact with you.

And so therefore we can't
really do this work together.

I can only talk about it.

And so you'll probably get other
teachers this weekend who will, um,

give you less of an interview form that.

Well, you know, Scott, I, I see
the questions also as a way for

people to just, um, maybe come to
know more about what you're doing.

Right.

And, you know, I, I know
you give weekend retreats.

So, I mean, during those retreats,
you have a lot of time with people.

So if they really feel called to
that form of inquiry, then you

know, I'd encourage you guys to
go and do a weekend with Scott.

Yeah.

We also have lots of deepening
courses by facilitators online

and living inquiries.com.

So there's lots of stuff going on.

It's not just me.

It's we're doing stuff all the time.

Yeah.

So here are some more questions.

Um, let see that I can find them.

Okay.

So gala says also, is there any way I
can be helpful to a friend who has an

addiction and who knows nothing about
inquiry other than being a caring friend?

Is there anything specific I should
ask or say, you know, strangely, I

would say the best thing you can do is
to look at whatever you believe about

yourself, yourself in that role, or even
about your friend, because it's almost

like when you clean up your side, even
though there aren't really sides, but

relatively there, are you clean up your
side about what you believe like, or do

you believe you're responsible or do you
believe, you know, whatever you believe

about yourself somehow that brings you
just to be present with the person.

And that's really the greatest gift
is, but it's hard to be present

if you're trying to fix somebody.

If you're trying to change them,
if you got a constant judgment of

them, if you feel like your role is
something conceptual with them, you

know, just kind of look at yourself
and then that takes care of itself.

Good.

Great.

great answer.

Um, I see one more
question from SIM Scott.

Can you say something about stopping the
search for enlightenment and whether that

is something that happens on its own?

Um, in other words, is, is there anything
one has to do or does it just happen?

It, you know, I, I might have once
said that it just happens now.

I know better.

And, and the way that is, because
we're ending that search with people

in these inquiries all the time.

It's a matter of being able to effectively
look at what, what is the assumption?

In other words, a lot of times this
is the reason the work got developed

is that people would call me up in
private session and they would say, I'm

seeking enlightenment, can you help me?

But what I heard was there's
something wrong with me.

That's what I heard them saying.

And the, and the belief was is that
if they would get to the awakening,

then they, then everything that
they thought that was wrong with him

would be washed away or something.

So what we did I started doing is
see if we could find that self who

there's something wrong with, or find
that self that's not good enough.

And when they couldn't find
that they lost interest in

enlightenment, the seeking guy.

So that's, so it's, it's not a
matter of just waiting around like

grace, like somehow you're gonna
catch a cold, you know, you're gonna

catch enlightenment or something.

It's a matter of really looking at what
the beliefs that are operating there.

And one of the beliefs is that there's
such a thing called enlightenment as

something inherent and true and real.

Like we have people look for enlightenment
all the time, not like to try to

find it and be enlightened, but to
see that it's just an empty concept.

But as, as long as you think
it's more than an empty

concept, you'll be chasing it.

Like you would chase a, a bottle
of whiskey as an alcoholic or

whatever else it would just know.

It's not, it's not like
catching a cold at all.

Just, you gotta look at an effective.

Direct way at the right things.

And then the stuff will fall
apart for you and, and you and

the, and the seeking can relax.

Scott, thank you.

That's, uh, that's such a great answer.

Um, you, you know, because it's true
that the search for enlightenment can

be just another way of, of running
away from the experience whatever's

there, you know, it can be a way
of, uh, fixing, fixing one's life.

And so it, it it's like it's a
searching that, that, that doesn't,

that doesn't stop and, and, you know,
, it's a, it's a good idea to look at

that, that idea itself, that search
itself and put that to inquiry too.

Yeah.

Take a look at it, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's uh, Sounds to me
like a very fruit move.

yeah.

It's it's making so for now

so I think that's a good way.

Good time to, to stop.

I don't see any more comments.

Let me just look one
more time or question.

Um,

okay.

Yes.

So somebody else had the same question
as MF Sam about the enlightenment.

So, um, and AYA asked you for
the answer you gave to, um,

obviously that's, that's a big one.

That's a big one.

It's a big one for anybody who's
into non-dual spirituality.

Yeah, it's a big one.

Yeah.

And so we're looking
at that kind of stuff.

Every day.

We have whole courses devoted
just to undoing that search.

So, yeah.

We're yeah.

I always could say before, before we
get off here, grace, that I hope that

this is a wonderful retreat for you,
cuz I you've been lovely to work with.

And um, I just hope it really
goes well and everybody gets

something out of it, you know?

No, thank you, Scott.

And thank you so much for, uh, for
coming and agreeing to, to be with us.

And uh, you know, I think everybody
needs to find what, what works for them.

Yeah.

And I'm sure the inquiries can
be very powerful and can work

for whoever feels drawn to them.

So if you do feel drawn to them,
explore them, you know, explore them

more, go to Scott's website, look at
some of the, uh, some of the videos.

And, um, who knows?

You might find some of the people
on the retreat in your next weekend.

Scott, are you still there?

I'm here.

Hello?

Hello, Scott.

Can you hear me?

Yeah, you, you disappeared
there for a bit.

okay.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

And, um, thank you for taking,
taking the additional time to ask

the question to answer the questions.

Yeah, my pleasure.

Lovely to meet you, Scott.

You too.

Yeah.

Good conversation.

I liked it.

bye Scott.

Bye-bye.

So, um, this ends the session with Scott.

Thank you for attending.

If you are watching this
session, uh, on YouTube.

um, you find, you found somehow the, the
video, this is a session which is part of

the ongoing healing and awakening retreat.

If you want to find out more about the
retreat, uh, you will do so by going on

the website, www.healingandawakening.com,
I'm grace BBE.

And, um, thank you everybody for
participating for your good questions that

helps God also talk more about how these
inquiries work, uh, for more specific

issues and in, in a more specific way.

And I'll see you back in, uh,
a bit less than an hour for the

conversation with Gina lake.

And, um, just wanted to add.

Uh, to the comments about some
people wanting to hear more

from Scott and less from me.

Um, I didn't do false advertising.

I said it was going to be
conversations, not just interviews.

So I'm happy to, um, have people who are
on these conversations to speak to you.

And, um, there's also an aspect
of it just being a conversation

between me and those persons.

So that's how I presented it
and that's how you get it.

So, um, I'll see you back soon.

Bye bye.