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-My guest today is the living
definition of a mogul.
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Let's go down the list.
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He writes, directs,
produces, acts.
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To raise the game
to another level, well,
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the guy decided to create
his own studio empire.
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I want to say that again,
because I don't want that
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just to speed past you
or fall on deaf ears.
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He created a studio empire.
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And there's only one man,
only one man
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that I can be talking about,
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and that one man
is right here today.
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It's an honor to call
this one man
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a friend, actually a friend,
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an inspiration,
a goddamn reason to want.
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I'm talking about
none other than Mr. Tyler Perry.
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Come on out here, T.P.
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Woo-hoo-hoo.
-Thank you, man.
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-How are you, sir?
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-I'm good, man. I'm good.
-Goo to see you, man.
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-Where the hell are we?
We in your in your wine room?
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What's happening?
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-Well, I make it look like
whatever I want it to look like,
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for the people here, T,
to keep the lie alive,
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we're in my wine cellar.
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T, I am very excited
to have you on here.
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I believe that
these conversations happen
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over a glass of wine.
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T.P, do you drink?
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-Yes, but I'm doing dry
this month.
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-Dry? You're going
dry this month?
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-Yeah, just this month. Yeah.
I'm gonna just do --
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-What happened last month?
-I was drinking too much.
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So I said, yeah, last month.
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I said I'm gonna do
30 days of just no drinking.
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So, yeah. You got wine?
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Well, you don't have to drink,
by the way.
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I'm not pressuring you to drink.
Did you fall?
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-What do you mean, fall?
-When somebody going dry
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for a month, something happened.
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-No, no, no. Just like --
-Where'd you wake up?
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-Okay, I was in Mexico,
chained to a mule.
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The mule's name was Areba.
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-Yeah, something bad happen.
-And that was that.
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-I'm going to bring out
my somme.
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He's going dry this month,
so can we get T.P. some water?
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What do you want?
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-Anything.
-Ginger ale from Mr. Perry.
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-Ginger ale.
That works all day long.
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It looks like we doing it.
-What am I drinking?
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-Mr. Hart, you are drinking
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Spring Mountain
Cabernet Sauvignon.
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Exquisite. Elegant.
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24 months in about 30%.
New French oak.
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It's incredible.
-Dammit.
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-2017 vintage, Mr. Hart.
-That's what I'm talking about.
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Because if it was 2016, I would
have told you it was shit.
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-Absolutely.
-Got to have '17.
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7 was the year.
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-I wouldn't have took it
if it wasn't '17.
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My guy. Thank you so much.
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-Very welcome, gentlemen.
Please enjoy.
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-I appreciate you, man.
Cheers.
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-Cheers, brother. Cheers.
-To you.
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To you.
-To you.
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-And to you, coming, joining me
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into the conversation
we're about to have.
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I'd love to start in the now.
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Because it's easier
to go backwards, right?
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You're not just a talent.
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You are a self-made
fucking mogul.
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You are a groundbreaker.
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You are a reason for business
deals to now be redefined,
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because you did
the unconventional
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and the untraditional.
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You did shit that people
didn't think
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could be done, right?
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As you sit now in the seat
that you sit in,
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shake the hands of
so many powerful people
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and fuck, they associate you
at the same level of power.
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I mean, damned
if you're not aligned
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the same level of power.
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Oprah, Barack, Michelle.
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Those are just some names.
Jay-Z, Beyoncรฉ.
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I mean, we can go down the list
of our black fucking leaders
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within our culture
of just people in general.
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You shake their hand
and they shake your hand back.
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Your reason for being in a venue
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and being somewhere is
just as important as theirs.
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How does that
make you feel today?
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Does that register with you?
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-That's a really good question.
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I don't know if I
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totally take it all in,
as much as it is.
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I'm still Maxine's baby.
I'm still my mother's son.
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I'm still the kid
that came from New Orleans.
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I'm still the kid who who
went through all this stuff,
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just with a whole
different world
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that's a lot bigger
than it was once before.
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But it feels great
to be mentioned
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with some of those people
that have influence.
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You know, that is really
what's important,
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to have influence
and not only to have it,
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but use it for the right things
in the right moments,
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at the right situation,
the right times.
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And let me just say this,
and then we'll get back to
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what you're saying.
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Watching you,
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'cause we're ten years,
almost ten years apart,
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like within a couple of months,
ten years plus,
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and watching your trajectory
and what you're doing
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and how you're doing it and then
the moves you're making,
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I've been watching it
for a long time.
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I was like, "that's smart."
"Oh, that's smart."
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"Oh, misstep there,
but no, he got it over here."
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Oh, he did ten steps over here."
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So that's what it's about, man.
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If we're in these positions
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and we've got these names
and these platforms,
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it's for us to take
those moments
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and say, hey, here's a road map.
Here's what I did.
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Anybody who wants to look at it
and take it and learn, let's go.
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I constantly run into people --
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Jay-Z will tell you
the same thing --
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who of, you know,
younger feel like,
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"Nah, man, I ain't doing
that shit.
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What you talking about? Nah.
I won't talk that."
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But the information is
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with the people
who already done it, right?
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So take take the information
so that you can be better,
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be stronger,
be more and understand.
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So I just really,
really appreciate
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just how you've been
a student of
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just so many different things,
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watched it, and just taken it
all to another level.
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-Well, I'm a student.
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I'm a student of those
that have done it
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and those that have
done it right.
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I'm going to give you
something funny
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just for you to understand
why I had to have you on.
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-Okay.
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-So my mom has
never been to a comedy show.
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My mom has never
seen me perform.
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My mom has never seen me
in my success, right?
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The one thing that me
and my brother did for my mom,
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my mom was still living
in Philadelphia, PA,
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at the Tower Theater.
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My mom was
a very religious woman.
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Me and my brother
got her tickets
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to a Tyler Perry "Madea" play.
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-You've got to be kidding me.
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-Hand on the Bible.
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I swear to God.
-Wow.
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-Hand on the Bible, right?
We bought her tickets to a play.
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You know, we didn't have
the best seats in the house,
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but we had seats
in the Tower Theater.
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I'll never forget this,
because the Tower Theater
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was a big deal
for anything to come through.
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-Yeah.
-Right?
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-This is Philadelphia, PA,
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so there's not many places
that you can go.
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So you coming was something
that the church,
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my mom, it was a conversation.
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My brother, at the time,
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he wasn't doing
the right things in life.
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He had the money to get
the tickets. We got the tickets.
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Let's not get into
what my brother did, okay?
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We got the tickets.
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But one of the happiest moments
of my mom's life
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was the association
of her and her sons
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at a play that had
religious beliefs, background.
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-Wait, you went, too?
-I had to.
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-First of all, I don't know
what you're saying.
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I don't know why you said it
like that.
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-No, no, I didn't say
it like that.
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Just the thought of,
there's a young Kevin Hart
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in my audience.
-Tyler, I was 15 years old.
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-Wow.
-I was 15 years old.
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-16, 16.
-Wow.
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-But this is a play that me
and my brother took my mom to.
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This is one of the few things
that my mom did with her sons.
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But we treated her.
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My brother, older brother,
me and my brother are
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eight years apart.
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My mom was so happy at
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the fact that she did this
with her boys.
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"Holy fuck. I'm watching Madea.
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I'm watching this moment.
I'm watching a live play."
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I had no idea where my life
is going to take me.
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I had no idea what my career
would bring,
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or is going to bring,
and for years,
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I've held on to this.
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I've held on to this thing,
'cause I'm like,
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this man don't even
fucking know.
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Like, I'm connected
to a piece of a puzzle
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he has no idea exists.
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And that puzzle,
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that puzzle was
the only entertainment
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that I've ever seen
my mom go to.
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-Wow.
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-My mom never associated
herself with me
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in a comedy show, a bar.
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A comedy club, smoky.
She didn't do smoke.
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She didn't do alcohol.
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That was a safe haven for her.
-Man.
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-So it's connected.
-Yeah.
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-So me wanting to talk to you
in this particular environment,
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well, there's a lot
of reason for it.
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Because, A, I remember back
then, watching and seeing
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what your version of
live entertainment was.
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And now I look back then,
you made that a business.
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-Yeah.
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-It's your fucking business.
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-Well, before we go there,
I just the thought of --
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first of all, mothers,
mothers and their sons,
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and just the thought of --
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one of my biggest worries
was that my mother,
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I wouldn't make it
a quick enough for her to see it
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or be able to take care of her
or be able to --
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for her to understand, you know,
that my dreams were real.
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I did make it,
and she died in 2009,
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but she got
a chance to see it all.
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So to know that your mother
was there with you
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in that moment
and never got to see
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this level of success for her
son on this side of heaven,
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because she's
that kind of woman.
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She's totally looking down
and having a whole lot of hand
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in what's happening
in your life, right?
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So, for you to have
this moment with her there
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means so much to me,
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because I know exactly
what that means,
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when you have your mother that
you love and you care about.
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And she didn't
get to see it, man.
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So that's incredible.
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-How does how does
Tyler Perry know
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to tap into that audience then?
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-Oh, listen, I grew up
in the house with my father,
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who was a motherfucking man,
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and my mother loved him
with all her might and strength.
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So here I am, a kid that
he hated because I was creative.
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I would write and draw.
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He's like, "Look at this shit.
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The fuck you think you --
Get them --"
244
00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:04,127
You know, he'd hit me
upside the head
245
00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:05,712
and all this other stuff,
right?
246
00:09:05,754 --> 00:09:07,881
But her love and her passion,
247
00:09:07,922 --> 00:09:09,382
not just for me,
but for him, blew my mind.
248
00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:11,843
I'm like, how can you love
this horrible person?
249
00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:13,219
-You and your dad are
not close, I assume.
250
00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:14,512
-No, not at all.
251
00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,306
I haven't talked to him
in probably 11 years.
252
00:09:16,348 --> 00:09:18,016
But he gets a check every month.
253
00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,851
Brand new house. Brand new car.
254
00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:21,561
Absolutely
Because my mother asked me to.
255
00:09:21,603 --> 00:09:24,773
So I gave him what he gave me.
256
00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:26,024
We were never hungry.
257
00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:27,400
There was always
food in the house,
258
00:09:27,442 --> 00:09:28,651
and the lights were always on.
259
00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:29,903
So I make sure
he have that, right?
260
00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,529
-Okay.
-But he's missing the best part,
261
00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:32,739
which is a relationship with me.
262
00:09:32,781 --> 00:09:36,868
Anyway, but just
being at her apron,
263
00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:38,828
watching her struggle
and go through this stuff,
264
00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:43,249
I had a very open heart
to not only her,
265
00:09:43,291 --> 00:09:46,878
but just women,
black women and my sisters
266
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,880
and what they dealt with,
with men and struggling
267
00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:50,215
just watching black --
268
00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:52,425
-How many sisters?
-I had two older sisters.
269
00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:55,095
I don't know how you can sit
in the lap of a black woman
270
00:09:55,136 --> 00:09:57,430
and watch her go through
that kind of hell
271
00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:58,765
and it not affect you.
272
00:09:58,807 --> 00:10:00,266
So all my first movies
were about my mother
273
00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,310
subconsciously,
"Diary of a Mad Black Woman."
274
00:10:02,352 --> 00:10:04,396
You know, the critics
are saying, "This is bullshit."
275
00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:05,939
This and that.
276
00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:07,941
But what the thought of
this character
277
00:10:07,982 --> 00:10:09,693
meeting a man who was abusive
278
00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:11,111
and then find another man
that loved her
279
00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,779
was something
I wanted for my mother.
280
00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:13,947
Like, you're worthy of love.
281
00:10:13,988 --> 00:10:15,323
You're worthy of
somebody doing that.
282
00:10:15,365 --> 00:10:19,035
So that's where
all of the career started.
283
00:10:19,077 --> 00:10:22,122
So being on stage and
looking out and seeing
284
00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:24,916
nothing but a sea of
mostly black women,
285
00:10:24,958 --> 00:10:27,210
dragging their boyfriends,
dragging my husbands in,
286
00:10:27,252 --> 00:10:32,132
it was something that
I tapped into that I realized,
287
00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,509
"Wait a minute, this is bigger
than just you up here
288
00:10:34,551 --> 00:10:35,802
telling a joke, man.
289
00:10:35,844 --> 00:10:37,137
You got to take this thing
seriously."
290
00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:40,890
-What I find
the most intriguing is
291
00:10:40,932 --> 00:10:42,809
the church crowd,
the church audience.
292
00:10:42,851 --> 00:10:45,311
-Yeah.
-The loyalty
293
00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:49,024
that they have presented
and that they have had
294
00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:52,068
to you and your world.
-Yeah.
295
00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:53,486
-When you talk about
just live --
296
00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:55,113
let's talk about the live show.
297
00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:57,323
I'm going back, Tower Theater.
My mom, live show, sold out.
298
00:10:57,365 --> 00:11:00,035
I'm talking about merchandise.
I'm talking about playbooks.
299
00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:03,663
I'm talking about shirts.
I'm talking about hats.
300
00:11:03,705 --> 00:11:05,040
There's so much.
301
00:11:05,081 --> 00:11:07,500
There's a real business
around this thing.
302
00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:08,960
And at this time,
303
00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:11,046
well, you were at
the forefront of the business.
304
00:11:11,087 --> 00:11:13,757
And granted, this is
the higher side of the career.
305
00:11:13,798 --> 00:11:15,342
It starts off small.
-Right.
306
00:11:15,383 --> 00:11:18,803
-So when you get here,
you're now seeing the business.
307
00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:22,432
You're now seeing this thing.
You're putting people in place.
308
00:11:22,474 --> 00:11:23,767
Who the fuck...?
309
00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:28,188
Who helped you with that
then in that space?
310
00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:32,484
Who acted as your liaison
to information?
311
00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:34,110
-Trial by error, man.
312
00:11:34,152 --> 00:11:36,363
When I was started doing these
shows and doing these plays,
313
00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:37,697
I started learning.
314
00:11:37,739 --> 00:11:39,574
Like, I'm boy from New Orleans.
315
00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,451
I don't know.
316
00:11:41,493 --> 00:11:43,036
This one girl worked for me.
317
00:11:43,078 --> 00:11:44,704
She was from Newark,
318
00:11:44,746 --> 00:11:47,290
and she was hard,
quick, and fast.
319
00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:48,958
And I'm just like, whoa,
and I'm a boss.
320
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,794
I got to figure out, okay,
how do I work with you
321
00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:55,006
and how do I get the best out
of you and everybody be happy?
322
00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:57,008
Then I had somebody from
California who was, "Yo, dude."
323
00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,343
It was all ladies,
324
00:11:58,385 --> 00:11:59,886
so I got all these
different personalities.
325
00:11:59,928 --> 00:12:01,221
So here I am as their boss,
326
00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:03,139
trying to figure out,
how do I navigate?
327
00:12:03,181 --> 00:12:05,058
How do I get the best
out of every person?
328
00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,268
Well, same skill set now,
329
00:12:07,310 --> 00:12:08,603
when you've got hundreds
and thousands of people
330
00:12:08,645 --> 00:12:10,146
coming into the studio.
331
00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:13,108
It's like, okay, who are they?
What makes them click?
332
00:12:13,149 --> 00:12:15,026
What is the best way
to get the best out of them?
333
00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,404
Even with money.
Nobody taught me about money.
334
00:12:17,445 --> 00:12:19,406
Nobody.
My folks didn't have any money.
335
00:12:19,447 --> 00:12:22,242
And there was a pathology of,
you don't get money
336
00:12:22,283 --> 00:12:24,202
until the next week
when you're broke,
337
00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,787
so you have to be broke
to get more money.
338
00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:28,289
That was
the pathology of our life.
339
00:12:28,331 --> 00:12:29,958
And I grew up
with that thinking, okay,
340
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,167
I got to get rid of
all of this money
341
00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:32,544
so that I can have more money.
342
00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:35,505
The first year that
I made money, in '98,
343
00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:37,966
I made $100,000 on my play.
I was like, whoa.
344
00:12:38,008 --> 00:12:40,051
Then I get to the end
of the year and got...
345
00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:42,095
Bro, you got like $30,000
in taxes you can't pay.
346
00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:43,304
-Taxes, bro.
-Yeah, right?
347
00:12:43,346 --> 00:12:44,764
-Be able to have money
after taxes.
348
00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:46,266
-Exactly right.
349
00:12:46,307 --> 00:12:48,268
So having all of these,
it was all trial by error,
350
00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:50,270
and I thank God --
this is what I thank God most.
351
00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:51,980
I've watched people
win the lottery.
352
00:12:52,022 --> 00:12:53,356
I've watched
these young kids blow up
353
00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,942
and be hugely successful
all at once.
354
00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:58,611
And I feel bad for them,
because what I know is,
355
00:12:58,653 --> 00:13:02,323
ball players coming in,
you come in from nothing
356
00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:04,117
and somebody drops
$1,000,000 on you,
357
00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:05,952
that's almost the worst thing
they can do for you
358
00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,579
if you don't know what to
do with it.
359
00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,956
-You get the world in a minute.
-That's not good, man.
360
00:13:09,998 --> 00:13:12,625
And I would tell anybody,
even my son,
361
00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:13,960
who's 7 years old,
362
00:13:14,002 --> 00:13:17,547
who, he has this thing,
he's like,
363
00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:19,299
"Dad, I don't know about
going on your plane."
364
00:13:19,341 --> 00:13:21,259
I was like,
"What's wrong on my plane?"
365
00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,094
He's like, "I like Mommy's
plane better."
366
00:13:23,136 --> 00:13:24,804
-Mommy's plane
got a bunch of people.
367
00:13:24,846 --> 00:13:26,306
-Yeah, exactly.
368
00:13:26,348 --> 00:13:27,724
You went in Mommy's plane,
it had a lot of people.
369
00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:29,309
Okay, well, you go
keep going on Mommy's plane,
370
00:13:29,351 --> 00:13:32,854
and until you can afford
what Daddy fly on,
371
00:13:32,896 --> 00:13:34,105
you stay on Mommy's plane
372
00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:35,482
so you understand
what that is, right?
373
00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:37,650
But it's all about
just making sure that
374
00:13:37,692 --> 00:13:40,987
as all of these things
are happening to you,
375
00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:42,655
that you're taking
in the information.
376
00:13:42,697 --> 00:13:44,324
That's what I'm saying. That's
what I like about you, man.
377
00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:46,117
You like? "Hmm,
How did that happen?
378
00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,536
How did that happen?"
Ask the questions. Be curious.
379
00:13:48,578 --> 00:13:51,247
Never be too arrogant to say,
"I don't know what you mean."
380
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:52,832
I've been on the phone
with accountants.
381
00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:54,209
They were like, "Well,
if you total the sum of this,
382
00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:57,045
and da da da and over here."
383
00:13:57,087 --> 00:13:58,338
It's like, "Hold on.
384
00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:00,173
I'm the only black person
on this phone.
385
00:14:00,215 --> 00:14:02,092
I don't know what the shit
you talking about."
386
00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:03,468
Not only slow it down.
387
00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:05,929
Explain this to me
as if I'm a 2-year-old.
388
00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:07,222
-That's what I meant
by "slow it down."
389
00:14:07,263 --> 00:14:08,682
-Yeah, right, right.
390
00:14:08,723 --> 00:14:10,433
-Break it down to me in a way
that I can understand it.
391
00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:12,143
-And not be embarrassed
about it.
392
00:14:12,185 --> 00:14:13,687
Flat out not be embarrassed
about it,
393
00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:14,979
because I want to know.
394
00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:16,523
I want to know
what you're telling me.
395
00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:18,316
You holding my money, you
handle this, and I don't know?
396
00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:20,568
No, explain that to me.
-Mm-hmm.
397
00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:23,988
Well, Tyler, just for a second,
let's just put a pause in it.
398
00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,199
Little pin.
Guys, we got to take a break.
399
00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:29,494
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
400
00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:35,291
**
401
00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:43,675
**
402
00:14:43,717 --> 00:14:45,301
-Welcome back.
403
00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:48,304
I'm still here with the man, the
myth, the mogul, Tyler Perry.
404
00:14:48,346 --> 00:14:51,016
Well, here's the thing
that I find, like,
405
00:14:51,057 --> 00:14:53,685
the most mind-blowing, right?
406
00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:57,731
It's like, you find yourself
in this moment,
407
00:14:57,772 --> 00:14:59,899
and you have the
opportunity to be an anomaly.
408
00:14:59,941 --> 00:15:01,609
Oh, my God.
409
00:15:01,651 --> 00:15:03,194
This can be something
410
00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:08,700
that nobody else saw it being,
you know, studios, execs, etc.
411
00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:11,619
It's their job to find out
what people are going to see.
412
00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:14,414
They find you. "Oh, my God.
Look at this shit here.
413
00:15:14,456 --> 00:15:18,585
Holy fuck.
He did this many cities.
414
00:15:18,626 --> 00:15:19,794
He did this thing."
415
00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:21,046
-No.
-What the fuck?
416
00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:22,881
-Wasn't that way.
-How did they come?
417
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,299
-I came out to Hollywood.
418
00:15:24,341 --> 00:15:25,508
You know, Charles King
was my agent at the time,
419
00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:27,385
and I tell him
all I want to do,
420
00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:28,470
and he starts sending me to all
these meetings of Hollywood.
421
00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,221
"Well, you have to go here.
422
00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:31,806
You have to do this. You have to
talk to this person."
423
00:15:31,848 --> 00:15:33,558
I'm like, okay,
so I go to these meetings,
424
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,226
and these white folks
look at me like, "Who are you?"
425
00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:38,313
I am sold out all across
the country, black people --
426
00:15:38,355 --> 00:15:39,981
I can't walk down
the street in the south
427
00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:41,316
without somebody saying hello.
428
00:15:41,358 --> 00:15:42,776
Just -- right? Right?
-Yes.
429
00:15:42,817 --> 00:15:46,154
-And I get here
and nobody knows who I am.
430
00:15:46,196 --> 00:15:48,740
So I'm like, okay, I take
all these meetings.
431
00:15:48,782 --> 00:15:51,326
I'm like, alright, I'm out of
here. I can't do this.
432
00:15:51,368 --> 00:15:52,786
I'll just go and keep
selling this out of my trunk
433
00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:54,496
like I've always been doing
with my DVDs, right?
434
00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:56,956
They were bootlegging
the hell out of my stuff.
435
00:15:56,998 --> 00:15:58,833
These bootleggers made me pretty
famous, too, though.
436
00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:01,294
-It's the best.
What are you talking about?
437
00:16:01,336 --> 00:16:05,048
It's the best gift to a curse.
438
00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:06,841
-Yes.
439
00:16:06,883 --> 00:16:08,343
If I had gotten that money
440
00:16:08,385 --> 00:16:09,844
that they were getting, been
a whole different world.
441
00:16:09,886 --> 00:16:11,346
-No, it wouldn't have,
442
00:16:11,388 --> 00:16:12,889
because if you had gotten
that money they were getting,
443
00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:15,433
you wouldn't have got the money
that you're getting now,
444
00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,352
because you would have got
that money early on.
445
00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:20,438
If "Soul Plane"
didn't get bootlegged,
446
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,857
I wouldn't have got the
credibility to go on the road
447
00:16:22,899 --> 00:16:26,277
and have an audience doing
comedy at the end of the day.
448
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:27,529
-I don't know if
that was "Soul Plane."
449
00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,280
-I'll go with you,
but I don't know.
450
00:16:29,322 --> 00:16:31,408
-We don't have to go --
-I think it was your talent.
451
00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:33,535
Let's hold up on something here.
452
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:36,037
Fuck it, Tyler.
You don't have to goddamn get --
453
00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:37,497
Let's not get caught up
on titles.
454
00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:39,290
-It's positive, right?
-Yes, it's positive.
455
00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:40,750
-Okay, great.
-But regardless,
456
00:16:40,792 --> 00:16:43,795
when you talk about --
-[ Laughing ]
457
00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:48,466
You talk about the moment.
You talk about bootlegging.
458
00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:50,051
You talk about the way
that you did it.
459
00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:56,141
I'm really curious as to when
the fucking business side
460
00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:57,684
clicked in. [ Snaps fingers ]
461
00:16:57,726 --> 00:17:00,687
You take the meetings.
You're out here now, alright?
462
00:17:00,729 --> 00:17:03,398
They're all presenting you
or not presenting you.
463
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,942
You go, "Fuck you. I'mma go
finish doing it this way."
464
00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:07,485
But then they got
to come make a deal with you.
465
00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:11,823
So when did you get
the thing to go,
466
00:17:11,865 --> 00:17:13,074
"Here's how I want to do it."
467
00:17:13,116 --> 00:17:14,576
Yeah.
-"Not like that."
468
00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:16,536
-Yeah, I want to own it.
Childhood.
469
00:17:16,578 --> 00:17:19,372
My father, subcontractor,
built the house,
470
00:17:19,414 --> 00:17:22,125
went to work every day,
rain, sleet and snow.
471
00:17:22,167 --> 00:17:23,835
The white man who owned the
house would come by in the rain
472
00:17:23,877 --> 00:17:25,545
and see if we were out there
working, and say hey.
473
00:17:25,587 --> 00:17:28,590
He'd go home on to his house
in his nice Cadillac.
474
00:17:28,631 --> 00:17:30,759
My father's still there,
struggling, working.
475
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,219
Come home Friday,
he gets his check. He got $800.
476
00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:35,805
He is so happy.
"Made $800 this week.
477
00:17:35,847 --> 00:17:38,391
Shit, I'm gonna go out and get
me some malt liquor."
478
00:17:38,433 --> 00:17:41,394
Great. Got your $800.
Great. Alright, there it is.
479
00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:44,105
But then I'm watching the man
who own the house.
480
00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:45,940
He sold it and made $80,000.
481
00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:47,567
I told my mother, I was like,
482
00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:49,194
"Why don't you all do that?
Why can't you do that?
483
00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:50,779
They couldn't see it.
484
00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:53,782
And I don't blame them.
They came from rural Louisiana.
485
00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:58,495
My mother's hope
for me and dream for me --
486
00:17:58,536 --> 00:17:59,829
I was trying to get the plays to
work and they wouldn't work,
487
00:17:59,871 --> 00:18:01,623
she said, "That shit
ain't never gonna work."
488
00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:03,625
She's mad because
I had borrowed $300.
489
00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:05,960
I had rented a van
and it was $300
490
00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:07,754
to do the play,
and I couldn't pay her back.
491
00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:10,924
She was mad as hell and she was
just cussing, smoking.
492
00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,509
"I don't know why
you're doing that shit.
493
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:13,802
These fuckin' plays
ain't never gonna work.
494
00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,721
This shit!
Get you a motherfuckin' job!
495
00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,265
Go to the phone company,
make about $300 a week.
496
00:18:19,307 --> 00:18:20,600
Get you some benefits,
and that's it."
497
00:18:20,642 --> 00:18:23,186
That was her --
that's your life, right?
498
00:18:23,228 --> 00:18:24,938
-That's it.
-Realistic for them.
499
00:18:24,979 --> 00:18:26,564
-That's the plan.
-Right.
500
00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:29,567
But for me, I was just like, no,
that's something more for me.
501
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,820
So I don't want to be the man
who was building the house.
502
00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:35,198
I want to be the man who owns
the house and sells the house.
503
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,367
So that's where it came in.
I was gonna own everything.
504
00:18:37,409 --> 00:18:41,121
First shows,
I wanted my name on the ticket.
505
00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:42,664
These little, janky promoters,
506
00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:43,957
you know how some of those
can be around the country.
507
00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:45,500
-Balling your money up
and paying you.
508
00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:46,960
-There you go.
"Here you go. Here you go."
509
00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:48,545
If you get it.
-Yes.
510
00:18:48,586 --> 00:18:50,005
-Maybe, maybe.
-If you get it.
511
00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:51,339
-"We didn't do good tonight."
512
00:18:51,381 --> 00:18:53,508
-"But all them people
out there?" "No."
513
00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:56,344
-"I thought we was sold out?"
-"No, no, no, no."
514
00:18:56,386 --> 00:18:58,513
"-You know,
I padded him tickets."
515
00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:00,598
-"I don't want you coming in
here to an empty theater."
516
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,517
-"Yeah, we gave most
of them seats away."
517
00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:03,810
-"I can't do that to you.
518
00:19:03,852 --> 00:19:05,145
Not our first time
working together."
519
00:19:05,186 --> 00:19:06,354
-"It's gonna be alright, though.
520
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:07,856
All of that's the radio.
521
00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,524
The radio gave
all them seats away."
522
00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:11,067
Yeah, the radio
gave all them seats away so.
523
00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:12,652
So you know the stories, right?
524
00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:13,903
-Yes.
525
00:19:13,945 --> 00:19:18,366
-So, but I remember
going into this city
526
00:19:18,408 --> 00:19:19,743
and not seeing my name
on the marquee.
527
00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,244
I said, "Y'all got to put
my name on the marquee."
528
00:19:21,286 --> 00:19:22,537
"Well, Tom Jones is
here next week."
529
00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:24,039
"Take his name down.
530
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,707
You got to put my name on
if I'm performing tonight."
531
00:19:25,749 --> 00:19:27,542
They thought, "This nigga's
arrogant. He's crazy."
532
00:19:27,584 --> 00:19:29,377
What I was doing
was building a brand.
533
00:19:29,419 --> 00:19:31,296
I wanted people
to remember the name.
534
00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:32,505
The name had to be
on the ticket.
535
00:19:32,547 --> 00:19:33,882
I wanted them to
remember the name.
536
00:19:33,923 --> 00:19:35,300
It wasn't that I was
trying to be arrogant.
537
00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:36,551
I'm trying to build a brand.
538
00:19:36,593 --> 00:19:37,844
You don't see
Coca-Cola walking around
539
00:19:37,886 --> 00:19:39,554
saying, "Don't put
Coca-Cola on that."
540
00:19:39,596 --> 00:19:41,389
We're building a brand.
-The branding with the name.
541
00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:42,891
-So with that, with ownership,
542
00:19:42,932 --> 00:19:44,351
and then watching Oprah
and realized
543
00:19:44,392 --> 00:19:45,977
that she owned her show,
I was like,
544
00:19:46,019 --> 00:19:49,647
"Okay, I'm not selling anything.
I'm going to own everything."
545
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:51,608
-When you say you watched Oprah,
546
00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:55,653
is this you as just a student
or a fan?
547
00:19:55,695 --> 00:19:57,781
-I didn't know her.
Yeah, as a fan.
548
00:19:57,822 --> 00:20:00,408
I remember reading the article
about her owning her show,
549
00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:01,826
and I was just,
"What does that mean?"
550
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,661
Because she had
renegotiated her show with,
551
00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:05,747
I think it was King World,
where she had gotten ownership.
552
00:20:05,789 --> 00:20:07,457
I'm like, "How did she --
What does that mean?"
553
00:20:07,499 --> 00:20:08,792
And then I'm like,
554
00:20:08,833 --> 00:20:11,086
"Well, how is she making
all this money?
555
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,712
Oh, because she owns it."
556
00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:15,090
And because of syndication.
She might get mad I said this.
557
00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:18,968
I'm just going to tell you,
sometimes she say,
558
00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:20,637
"You know, there were times
I was getting checks
559
00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:22,430
that I thought were
Social Security numbers,
560
00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:23,848
they were so big,"
you know what I mean?
561
00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:26,935
-Yes, I believe it.
-Yes, right?
562
00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:28,812
-Yes, yes, yes.
563
00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:30,480
That's information
that needs to be given,
564
00:20:30,522 --> 00:20:32,273
because the shock factor.
565
00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,984
Now, being friends now,
it's incredible,
566
00:20:35,026 --> 00:20:36,277
because I can call her up
567
00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,113
at this point
in her career and life,
568
00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:39,989
and we really lean on each other
for a lot of things.
569
00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:42,158
I was like, "Hey, this, this
and this is going on and this."
570
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,494
"Oh, I went through that in '86.
Here's what you do."
571
00:20:44,536 --> 00:20:46,830
You know, having that
kind of information.
572
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,082
Or calling her up recently
and saying, "Hey, you know,
573
00:20:49,124 --> 00:20:52,585
there's something going on
with the studio where
574
00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:54,462
what they're trying
to get me to do is huge.
575
00:20:54,504 --> 00:20:57,632
And it's kind of wild
and it's amazing."
576
00:20:57,674 --> 00:20:58,967
She's like, "You know,
I think you should do it,
577
00:20:59,009 --> 00:21:00,719
because I did this,
this and this,
578
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,263
and it seems like the new
version of this, this and this."
579
00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:07,559
-The thing that also acts
as an intriguing factor for me
580
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,437
with you is, it just keeps
progressing, right?
581
00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:11,855
We're coming
from the world of plays.
582
00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:14,315
We're coming from the world
of sold-out shows,
583
00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:15,734
and the opportunity
that comes after.
584
00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:17,819
I find out now
that you went and made --
585
00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:20,530
you went, took the meetings
and after taking the meetings,
586
00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:22,866
you figure out the best thing
that works for you.
587
00:21:22,907 --> 00:21:24,492
-Well, I'll tell you what
happened with that, real quick.
588
00:21:24,534 --> 00:21:26,119
I just went to all these
different meetings.
589
00:21:26,161 --> 00:21:27,704
They were like,
"We want to change this."
590
00:21:27,746 --> 00:21:29,039
Talking about "Diary of
a Mad Black Woman."
591
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,999
I was like,
"I'm not changing anything.
592
00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:32,375
"We want to change this. You've
got to add this to the script."
593
00:21:32,417 --> 00:21:33,877
And I'm like, but you're white.
594
00:21:33,918 --> 00:21:35,462
You don't understand.
This is what the audience wants.
595
00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:38,506
-So you were taking
the material to them?
596
00:21:38,548 --> 00:21:39,799
-Yes.
-At the time. Okay.
597
00:21:39,841 --> 00:21:41,551
-Yeah, to a couple of studios.
-Okay.
598
00:21:41,593 --> 00:21:43,345
And it just didn't work,
so I called Charles,
599
00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,138
"I'm out. I'm going to Atlanta
and selling out of my trunk."
600
00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:47,682
Then I got a call from Mike
Pasternak over at Lionsgate.
601
00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:50,101
And the reason he said
602
00:21:50,143 --> 00:21:52,228
he called me is
two things happened.
603
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:55,565
This is why I love when we come
together on the same page.
604
00:21:55,607 --> 00:21:57,650
He was leaving a show,
605
00:21:57,692 --> 00:21:59,527
and I had just played
the Kodak Theater,
606
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,738
and the black people
607
00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:03,239
crowding around, trying to
get to their cars.
608
00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:05,075
And he goes, "Hey,
what'd you guys see tonight?"
609
00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:06,326
"Tyler Perry."
610
00:22:06,368 --> 00:22:07,660
He had never heard of me, right?
611
00:22:07,702 --> 00:22:08,995
So he goes to the office
the next day, right?
612
00:22:09,037 --> 00:22:10,997
He goes to the studio
at Lionsgate,
613
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,333
and he has a meeting
with DL Hughley.
614
00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:14,751
And he says, "Hey, man,
615
00:22:14,793 --> 00:22:16,252
have you ever herd of this guy,
Tyler Perry?"
616
00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:17,921
DL's like, "Man, this guy's huge
all over the country."
617
00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:21,675
I get a phone call saying,
"Hey, Tyler, he came.
618
00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,718
He wanted to do this movie.
What do we have to do?"
619
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,470
I was so pissed, I said,
620
00:22:25,512 --> 00:22:27,555
listen,
I'll put up half the money.
621
00:22:27,597 --> 00:22:29,766
I'm going to own 100% of it,
and that's it.
622
00:22:29,808 --> 00:22:31,726
And Charles called me back,
he said,
623
00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:32,936
"Tyler, they're never
going to do that."
624
00:22:32,977 --> 00:22:34,604
I said, "Well, shit,
I don't care."
625
00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:35,897
Called me back, he's like,
"They're going to do it."
626
00:22:35,939 --> 00:22:37,732
-Wow. We got to
take a break, guys.
627
00:22:37,774 --> 00:22:40,568
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
628
00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:54,874
**
629
00:22:54,916 --> 00:22:56,960
-Guys, welcome back.
This is "Hart to Heart."
630
00:22:57,002 --> 00:22:59,254
And I'm still talking
to the mogul.
631
00:22:59,295 --> 00:23:02,716
Yes, Tyler Perry.
You know what's crazy, though?
632
00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:06,636
Let me tell you
how fucking crazy times are.
633
00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:14,102
You came at the time where
Lionsgate was like,
634
00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:18,148
"Fuck it, we got to figure out
other ways to compete.
635
00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:22,861
We got to figure out other ways
to get our end-of-year number
636
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:25,488
that end-of-year revenue
to make sense.
637
00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:27,657
Let's think outside the box.
638
00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:29,659
Nobody else is
doing stuff over here.
639
00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,161
Maybe this is over here."
640
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,788
So whoever's in that meeting
is fighting it, going,
641
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:35,582
"This guy's selling out
this many tickets.
642
00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:36,958
These people are coming
to see this.
643
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,376
If he's asking for this,
give it to him.
644
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:40,837
If it works, oh, my God.
what does it mean for us?"
645
00:23:40,879 --> 00:23:43,840
-Not quite, because the budget
was $5.4 million.
646
00:23:43,882 --> 00:23:45,675
I put up half.
They put up the other half.
647
00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:47,093
And they didn't trust it
so much --
648
00:23:47,135 --> 00:23:48,845
-But you had ownership.
-Hold on.
649
00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:50,263
-They took that other half
and they sold it to BET.
650
00:23:50,305 --> 00:23:51,681
-Ooh.
651
00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:53,266
-'Cause that's how much
they believed in it.
652
00:23:53,308 --> 00:23:55,769
-Off the bat, immediately.
-Yeah, which is great, though.
653
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:57,771
That's what I tell people
when they run around saying,
654
00:23:57,812 --> 00:23:59,147
"Oh, look at me, look at me."
655
00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:00,357
Stop trying to
tell people who you are.
656
00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:02,317
Shut the fuck up and sit down.
657
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,194
Don't give people your resume
walking in the room,
658
00:24:04,235 --> 00:24:07,197
because you make the best deals
when you're underestimated.
659
00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:08,907
I don't need to tell you
what I've done.
660
00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:10,450
Don't look at my following.
Don't do that.
661
00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,535
Don't know who I am.
662
00:24:12,577 --> 00:24:14,412
Let me show you
how to make this deal.
663
00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:15,789
So please underestimate me.
664
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:17,332
-Wow.
-And that way,
665
00:24:17,374 --> 00:24:18,792
and then the next one came up
and they were like --
666
00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:20,043
Because the guy said to me,
667
00:24:20,085 --> 00:24:21,961
I went to dinner
with another guy
668
00:24:22,003 --> 00:24:23,421
in this company,
who ran the company.
669
00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:26,883
He said, "These movies
if they do $20 million --"
670
00:24:26,925 --> 00:24:29,135
He's like, "This movie
will never do $20 million."
671
00:24:29,177 --> 00:24:33,223
I mean, the first week,
he laughed at me.
672
00:24:33,264 --> 00:24:35,225
-In general.
-Dropped that movie.
673
00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:37,310
$20-something million,
first weekend.
674
00:24:37,352 --> 00:24:39,229
Everybody's scrambling,
going, "Who's this?
675
00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:41,064
Who's Tyler Perry?
What the hell happened?"
676
00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:43,358
So the next one was like,
"Hey, I still own it, guys.
677
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,944
But this time, you got
to pull up all the money."
678
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,654
-Yeah.
-Then the next one,
679
00:24:47,696 --> 00:24:48,905
yeah, you got to
put up all the money.'
680
00:24:48,947 --> 00:24:50,407
But here's what I didn't know.
681
00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:53,576
That when they're talking
about, "Tyler, this budget,"
682
00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:55,370
I didn't realize,
here's another thing
683
00:24:55,412 --> 00:24:58,289
we don't know as black people,
that on their sales calls,
684
00:24:58,331 --> 00:25:01,751
when they were doing things,
talking to their board
685
00:25:01,793 --> 00:25:03,128
and stocks, they were going,
686
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:05,880
"Hmm, well, we have
two Tyler Perry movies,
687
00:25:05,922 --> 00:25:08,091
and every time one drop,
the stocks went up."
688
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:10,343
And when I caught it,
I was like,
689
00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:11,845
Oh, I got you.
690
00:25:11,886 --> 00:25:13,471
So I'm helping your bottom line.
691
00:25:13,513 --> 00:25:17,434
-I'm helping your even.
-Yes.
692
00:25:17,475 --> 00:25:21,730
And then what they did was, we
started making better money.
693
00:25:21,771 --> 00:25:23,523
And here comes "Hunger Games."
694
00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:24,816
They ain't put the money
back to me.
695
00:25:24,858 --> 00:25:27,027
It went to "Hunger Games."
-No, no, no.
696
00:25:27,068 --> 00:25:29,029
That money is going back
into these other things.
697
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:31,114
-Broader, bigger.
Same thing in television.
698
00:25:31,156 --> 00:25:34,784
TBS, "House of Pain"
was a huge hit on the network.
699
00:25:34,826 --> 00:25:36,286
You know, a huge hit.
What happened to it?
700
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,038
Because after film,
I went right into television.
701
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,331
Huge hit. What did they do?
702
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:45,253
My shows were, like, $300,000
an episode for me to do.
703
00:25:45,295 --> 00:25:47,213
I was figuring it
all out, right?
704
00:25:47,255 --> 00:25:49,507
When they started making money,
got that number up,
705
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:50,884
they didn't reinvest in me.
706
00:25:50,925 --> 00:25:52,344
They took that money
and went and bought
707
00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,637
"Modern Family" reruns for
$1-something million.
708
00:25:54,679 --> 00:25:56,348
I go, hmm.
709
00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:57,932
Okay, so let me understand this.
710
00:25:57,974 --> 00:26:00,060
So every time I come in
and I help your bottom line
711
00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:03,146
and I change it,
you do something to push me out
712
00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:04,981
so you can go
and make more money.
713
00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:07,025
So now I figured out, okay,
714
00:26:07,067 --> 00:26:08,568
I got to get
some stock over here.
715
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,111
I got to get some ownership.
716
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,404
I got to figure all this out
as we're doing this.
717
00:26:11,446 --> 00:26:13,281
I'm not doing this anymore
by my lonesome.
718
00:26:13,323 --> 00:26:15,575
-The crazy thing about
the business is,
719
00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,745
everyone questions your moves,
everyone questions your path.
720
00:26:20,038 --> 00:26:21,956
I want to talk about
Tyler Perry,
721
00:26:21,998 --> 00:26:23,541
and I want to talk about
the man and the mind.
722
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:24,751
-Yeah.
723
00:26:24,793 --> 00:26:26,294
-Did you ever get
fucking flustered?
724
00:26:26,336 --> 00:26:28,088
-With us? For sure, man.
725
00:26:28,129 --> 00:26:29,964
-Okay.
-To walk into these rooms
726
00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:31,716
and sit with white folks and
727
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,009
and try to get them
to understand
728
00:26:33,051 --> 00:26:35,303
and fighting
and battling with them,
729
00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:37,222
and then come out
and then have us say,
730
00:26:37,263 --> 00:26:40,058
"He's a coon and a buffoon.
Why this nigga got on a dress?
731
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,851
What's he doing? Why is this?"
732
00:26:41,893 --> 00:26:43,103
When I'm hearing
733
00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:45,105
all this noise, man,
it was crazy,
734
00:26:45,146 --> 00:26:47,023
because there were
no black people on television.
735
00:26:47,065 --> 00:26:49,192
Before diversity became a thing,
736
00:26:49,234 --> 00:26:51,861
Tyler Perry was the only one
out there for a long time.
737
00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,363
There was a moment
where every movie --
738
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:56,700
after the '90s, where
we had all these black hits,
739
00:26:56,741 --> 00:26:58,326
everything stopped for a minute.
740
00:26:58,368 --> 00:27:01,955
When the CW and WB merged, all
those black shows went away,
741
00:27:01,996 --> 00:27:03,456
and I was
the only one out there.
742
00:27:03,498 --> 00:27:05,583
And what I found out
is that people take shots at
743
00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:07,252
the deer they can see.
744
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:09,254
Nobody else was doing anything,
so here I am in this moment.
745
00:27:09,295 --> 00:27:10,964
"Okay, what are you
going to do, Tyler?
746
00:27:11,006 --> 00:27:12,841
You trying to get somewhere.
You got to focus.
747
00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:14,384
You know exactly
what you want to do.
748
00:27:14,426 --> 00:27:17,137
You gonna listen to this noise
and let them talk you out
749
00:27:17,178 --> 00:27:18,763
of what you know is yours?"
750
00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:21,349
-By the way, as you're winning.
751
00:27:21,391 --> 00:27:24,227
-Every time.
-As you're winning.
752
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:27,647
We're talking about noise
that's coming in
753
00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:28,857
as you're winning.
754
00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:30,567
We're not talking about noise
755
00:27:30,608 --> 00:27:33,945
to the fail, which, of course,
is a different type of noise.
756
00:27:33,987 --> 00:27:36,031
We're talking about noise
that's coming in
757
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:37,323
as you're
knocking down barriers,
758
00:27:37,365 --> 00:27:38,742
as you're doing
the unconventional.
759
00:27:38,783 --> 00:27:40,243
-For us.
-Yes.
760
00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:44,247
As you're creating
different pipelines of revenue.
761
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:46,291
-Building my whole foundation,
762
00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:49,085
so I can get to
the studio ownership.
763
00:27:49,127 --> 00:27:50,420
So all of it was a part of it.
764
00:27:50,462 --> 00:27:52,088
So I had to keep my eye
on that up there.
765
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:54,549
You got all this noise here.
I see. I hear y'all.
766
00:27:54,591 --> 00:27:57,010
But I'm staying right here,
because I'm looking up there.
767
00:27:57,052 --> 00:27:59,095
And when I think about somebody
who I love dearly,
768
00:27:59,137 --> 00:28:00,347
who was Whitney,
and I did all I could
769
00:28:00,388 --> 00:28:03,016
to try and help her, man,
Whitney Houston.
770
00:28:03,058 --> 00:28:06,728
I believe she still
would have been alive today
771
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:12,275
had we not tried to make her
into something she wasn't.
772
00:28:12,317 --> 00:28:14,903
Her being booed
at the Soul Train Awards
773
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:16,237
were one of the worst things
774
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,198
that could have happened
to her in her life.
775
00:28:18,239 --> 00:28:21,034
People saying she's white
or she's this or she's that
776
00:28:21,076 --> 00:28:22,619
made her want to show --
777
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:25,622
Because you know, she came
to this industry very young,
778
00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:28,500
but it made her want to show
that she was something different
779
00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,211
instead of just realizing,
let me keep my eye on this,
780
00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:32,879
because she's got
the best voice in the world.
781
00:28:32,921 --> 00:28:34,297
If she had kept her eye on that,
782
00:28:34,339 --> 00:28:35,840
none of this other stuff
would have mattered.
783
00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:37,467
-It's the curse
of trying to prove.
784
00:28:37,509 --> 00:28:39,219
-Yes.
-Right?
785
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:43,473
I think, you know,
you're no better
786
00:28:43,515 --> 00:28:47,435
and I'm no better than
787
00:28:47,477 --> 00:28:50,355
being a victim of the curse
of trying to prove.
788
00:28:50,397 --> 00:28:55,360
It's very hard to avoid
the world of trying to prove.
789
00:28:55,402 --> 00:28:57,445
"Hold on. What?
790
00:28:57,487 --> 00:29:00,156
Because I -- Hold up.
Who you talking to?
791
00:29:00,198 --> 00:29:01,991
'Cause don't get it
fucked up for one minute.
792
00:29:02,033 --> 00:29:05,120
I can --"
It's a thing, right?
793
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:10,166
And the crazy thing that I think
we have to deal with
794
00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:11,501
or some of us
have to deal with,
795
00:29:11,543 --> 00:29:16,047
is finding a way
to compartmentalize that.
796
00:29:16,089 --> 00:29:19,259
Keep that at bay
and stay on the course,
797
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,553
and look at the good
that's happening on the course,
798
00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:25,015
because this makes
fucking look over here
799
00:29:25,056 --> 00:29:27,267
and for a second,
800
00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:28,852
you stop looking at
all the great here.
801
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:31,146
-I learned the hard way, man.
I learned the hard way.
802
00:29:31,187 --> 00:29:33,273
It's like driving a car
and things are going
803
00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:35,191
so well, it's 100 miles an hour.
804
00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:37,318
But you keep looking down here
to see what's going on,
805
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,195
you're gonna run into something,
806
00:29:39,237 --> 00:29:40,697
instead of getting
to the destination.
807
00:29:40,739 --> 00:29:42,365
Because by the time
you get to the destination,
808
00:29:42,407 --> 00:29:44,868
all of that noise,
none of it matters.
809
00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:46,036
All those people
who are talking,
810
00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:47,454
trying to get --
it doesn't matter.
811
00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:50,331
Because I've seen
the very same people
812
00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:52,500
who were my worst critics
come and say,
813
00:29:52,542 --> 00:29:54,377
"Hey, man, oh, my God.
This is amazing.
814
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:57,422
It's amazing. Look what you did.
815
00:29:57,464 --> 00:29:59,382
How did you do it?
How did you do it?"
816
00:29:59,424 --> 00:30:01,843
Actually, I did it
because I ignored your ass.
817
00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:03,261
Right? I kept moving.
-Wow.
818
00:30:03,303 --> 00:30:05,221
-Know what I mean? Yeah.
-Wow.
819
00:30:05,263 --> 00:30:06,723
I'm not gonna ignore you.
820
00:30:06,765 --> 00:30:08,975
I'm gonna take a second to stop.
I'm gonna take a break.
821
00:30:09,017 --> 00:30:10,226
-We're taking breaks?
-Yes.
822
00:30:10,268 --> 00:30:11,895
-Oh, okay, great.
-Just a quick one.
823
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:14,189
We've got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
824
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:15,565
-More "Hart to Heart"
when we get back.
825
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:17,567
-No, Tyler, we do have
more "Hart to Heart."
826
00:30:17,609 --> 00:30:20,028
-Tyler, you can't say it.
Let me say it.
827
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:21,279
-Okay, it's your show. Sorry.
828
00:30:21,321 --> 00:30:22,906
-We'll have more
"Hart to Heart."
829
00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:24,282
-Always produce shit. I was
just trying to help you out.
830
00:30:24,324 --> 00:30:25,617
-It's fucking ridiculous.
831
00:30:25,658 --> 00:30:27,035
-Got more "Hart to Heart"
when we come back.
832
00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:33,333
**
833
00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:41,466
**
834
00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,468
-We're back, having another
great conversation --
835
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:44,678
-Wait, no, Tyler, goddamn it!
-I'm sorry.
836
00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,721
-How fast is he?
-I'm sorry. Go ahead.
837
00:30:46,763 --> 00:30:49,432
-Did you fucking catch that?
-I'm sorry. Go ahead.
838
00:30:49,474 --> 00:30:52,018
-We are back. We're still here
on "Hart to Heart."
839
00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:54,145
I'm still with the man, the
myth, the legend, Tyler Perry.
840
00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:57,273
Tyler,
I love what you're saying.
841
00:30:57,315 --> 00:30:58,858
I love the knowledge
and I love the information
842
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,443
that you're dropping and giving.
843
00:31:00,485 --> 00:31:02,821
Here's why, because I feel like
people need to understand
844
00:31:02,862 --> 00:31:04,489
and need to know.
845
00:31:04,531 --> 00:31:06,324
Once again,
I'm going from a side of
846
00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:09,619
what the fuck I'm curious about.
847
00:31:09,661 --> 00:31:11,121
What is it that I'm like,
how, why, what?
848
00:31:11,162 --> 00:31:12,706
Because I know
the questions I have
849
00:31:12,747 --> 00:31:14,249
and I know those questions
possibly match
850
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:16,376
the questions that
my audience has.
851
00:31:16,418 --> 00:31:18,503
Here's the next piece
of the puzzle, man.
852
00:31:18,545 --> 00:31:20,422
We were talking about
the outside noise
853
00:31:20,463 --> 00:31:21,840
before we took a break.
854
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:23,466
Like, "Oh, I hear it. I see it."
855
00:31:23,508 --> 00:31:28,471
What project, what were you on,
what were you doing
856
00:31:28,513 --> 00:31:34,561
when you felt the most
like, "Oh, shit.
857
00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:36,438
Here's some heat
from the outside noise.
858
00:31:36,479 --> 00:31:38,314
It's starting to bother me."
859
00:31:38,356 --> 00:31:41,401
-Yeah, that's Madea.
That's Madea from day one.
860
00:31:41,443 --> 00:31:42,569
-Okay.
-From day one.
861
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:45,530
My whole my whole point
in Madea,
862
00:31:45,572 --> 00:31:46,531
I saw Eddie do "The Klumps" and
I go, I'm gonna try my hand
863
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:47,907
at a female character, man.
864
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:49,868
Walked out on stage at
Chicago Regal Theater,
865
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:51,327
seven nights at Stony Island.
866
00:31:51,369 --> 00:31:53,538
First time, had the costume on,
walked out there,
867
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:55,415
because I had a celebrity
that didn't show up
868
00:31:55,457 --> 00:31:56,875
who was supposed to be
the lead of the show.
869
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,209
You know how you get the
870
00:31:58,251 --> 00:32:00,253
"starring so-and-so
from 'Good Times'".
871
00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:01,755
You know,
one of those in your show.
872
00:32:01,796 --> 00:32:04,341
But this wasn't
any of those people.
873
00:32:04,382 --> 00:32:07,052
But this was an R&B singer
we had hit on the radio,
874
00:32:07,093 --> 00:32:08,386
and she didn't show up.
875
00:32:08,428 --> 00:32:09,888
So I end up having
to go out as Madea,
876
00:32:09,929 --> 00:32:12,724
and be out on stage longer
than I thought I would.
877
00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:14,684
And I was scared shitless.
Man, I'm telling you.
878
00:32:14,726 --> 00:32:17,228
David Mann and Tamela Mann,
who plays Brown and Cora,
879
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:18,521
they'll tell you,
I was scared to death,
880
00:32:18,563 --> 00:32:20,273
and I'm out there
and I'm doing it.
881
00:32:20,315 --> 00:32:22,067
Then I move around and
people are laughing.
882
00:32:22,108 --> 00:32:23,568
It's like, oh.
883
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,404
So I started to lean into it
to see what would happen.
884
00:32:26,446 --> 00:32:28,782
And the more I leaned into,
the more they loved it.
885
00:32:28,823 --> 00:32:32,911
Alright, cut to me realizing
this is not just...
886
00:32:32,952 --> 00:32:34,579
I went to the next play,
the audience was like,
887
00:32:34,621 --> 00:32:36,373
"Where's Madea? Where's Madea?
We wanna see Madea."
888
00:32:36,414 --> 00:32:39,542
Cut to understanding that
I was on to something early on.
889
00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:41,586
I thought, okay, this is great.
It's selling out the shows.
890
00:32:41,628 --> 00:32:44,381
I didn't know it was
a multibillion dollar franchise.
891
00:32:44,422 --> 00:32:47,384
-It's the brand.
-Yeah. Within itself.
892
00:32:47,425 --> 00:32:48,677
-Madea's a brand.
-Yeah.
893
00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:50,261
-But to have people go,
and you know,
894
00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:54,432
have people picketing
outside of the theaters,
895
00:32:54,474 --> 00:32:56,393
this white evangelical
896
00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:59,020
saying I'm a transsexual
who's going to hell,
897
00:32:59,062 --> 00:33:00,522
because God does not like --
898
00:33:00,563 --> 00:33:02,774
Martin gave a dress.
Eddie gave a dress.
899
00:33:02,816 --> 00:33:03,858
But you're going to hell.
900
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:05,443
Having people
coming up and saying,
901
00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:06,695
"What's wrong with you?
Why you still in a dress?
902
00:33:06,736 --> 00:33:08,321
You are emasculating
black men."
903
00:33:08,363 --> 00:33:09,781
Just hearing all of that,
904
00:33:09,823 --> 00:33:12,492
that was the one that
made me go, "Hmm."
905
00:33:12,534 --> 00:33:15,620
-This is after the shows?
This is during the shows?
906
00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:16,955
The height?
907
00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:18,206
-From the beginning on up.
908
00:33:18,248 --> 00:33:21,459
And the higher I went,
the worse it got.
909
00:33:21,501 --> 00:33:22,836
But I had to, again,
910
00:33:22,877 --> 00:33:24,754
keep my eyes on the prize
in understanding that
911
00:33:24,796 --> 00:33:26,589
why would I walk away
from something
912
00:33:26,631 --> 00:33:29,592
that has given so much joy
to so many people, number one?
913
00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:31,803
But number two,
the best part about Madea --
914
00:33:31,845 --> 00:33:35,140
if you watch any play,
like, the last 20 or 30 minutes,
915
00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:36,683
I could sit in a chair
like this.
916
00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:38,435
She ain't doing
a whole bunch of stuff.
917
00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:39,811
But I'm spitting wisdom to us
918
00:33:39,853 --> 00:33:41,646
that we have
not even dealt with.
919
00:33:41,688 --> 00:33:43,356
-There's a message.
-Absolutely.
920
00:33:43,398 --> 00:33:44,607
-Madea's never not
had a message.
921
00:33:44,649 --> 00:33:46,443
-Powerful words that I love.
922
00:33:46,484 --> 00:33:49,821
So what I realized
is that those voices,
923
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:52,449
that noise is trying
to talk me out of something
924
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,826
that is helping a lot of people,
number one.
925
00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:56,828
And secondly, trying to
talk me out of something
926
00:33:56,870 --> 00:34:00,832
that was the foundation
for everything else I built.
927
00:34:00,874 --> 00:34:05,337
So why would I do that when
I know this is working?
928
00:34:05,378 --> 00:34:06,838
It's working.
People are being moved.
929
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,591
They've been inspired by it.
And again,
930
00:34:09,632 --> 00:34:11,926
if there hadn't been that,
I wouldn't be sitting here
931
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,512
talking to you about the studio
and all the other stuff.
932
00:34:14,554 --> 00:34:19,809
-It's very hard for me
to understand how people
933
00:34:19,851 --> 00:34:24,397
compromise or try
and contradict the work
934
00:34:24,439 --> 00:34:26,649
that somebody put into a craft,
935
00:34:26,691 --> 00:34:31,613
an entity, an IP and brand
that's working.
936
00:34:31,654 --> 00:34:33,448
-Yeah.
-I don't --
937
00:34:33,490 --> 00:34:35,658
I don't get that.
That's tough for me.
938
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:37,285
-And I understand exactly
what you're saying.
939
00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,204
But I tell you, I've gotten
to a point in life where I go,
940
00:34:39,245 --> 00:34:40,538
"Okay,
you don't have to get it."
941
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,374
Listen, you think 40 is great.
942
00:34:42,415 --> 00:34:43,750
Wait till you hit
about 50, man.
943
00:34:43,792 --> 00:34:47,212
You just get to
a whole place of just, "Eh.
944
00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:48,588
You don't matter."
945
00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:50,215
Other people,
when it comes to that stuff.
946
00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:54,552
But what is important about that
is, again, what is your purpose?
947
00:34:54,594 --> 00:34:56,388
What is your intention?
What are you looking at?
948
00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:58,640
My intention in life,
from the time I wake up
949
00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,058
in the morning to
the time I go to bed,
950
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,518
how can I do something good?
951
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,228
How can I help someone?
What is this all about?
952
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,605
Because what I know
about Madea,
953
00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,692
everything that I've done,
all of that is seed planning,
954
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:12,153
fertilizer for my whole life,
for all those years.
955
00:35:12,195 --> 00:35:15,740
And I'm seeing the other side
of what I planed then,
956
00:35:15,782 --> 00:35:17,534
because of what
I was doing there.
957
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:19,661
If I was a person
who was doing something awful,
958
00:35:19,703 --> 00:35:21,663
horrible, terrible to people,
959
00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:23,832
I personally
couldn't live with myself,
960
00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:26,543
and I don't believe that I would
have this level of success
961
00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:28,420
because of
the kind of person I am.
962
00:35:28,461 --> 00:35:29,754
If I was a horrible ass person
963
00:35:29,796 --> 00:35:31,339
and I lived my life horribly
and had success,
964
00:35:31,381 --> 00:35:32,799
that's a horrible person
who had success.
965
00:35:32,841 --> 00:35:34,676
But I live my life
with the intention of good.
966
00:35:34,718 --> 00:35:38,555
So when good comes back to me
and for me, I expect it,
967
00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:39,931
and I'm grateful for it, right?
968
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:41,641
Because I go, okay,
oh, I put that out
969
00:35:41,683 --> 00:35:42,934
and now it's coming back.
970
00:35:42,976 --> 00:35:44,477
Like you saying
being at the play
971
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:45,770
all those years ago,
and your mother there.
972
00:35:45,812 --> 00:35:47,605
That's something good
coming back to me
973
00:35:47,647 --> 00:35:49,441
that I can hold on to,
you know what I mean?
974
00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:51,359
-We got to stop.
We got to pay bills, guys.
975
00:35:51,401 --> 00:35:54,779
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
976
00:35:54,821 --> 00:36:00,702
**
977
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,877
**
978
00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:11,504
-Well, I hope you didn't lose
the steam, because I didn't.
979
00:36:11,546 --> 00:36:12,839
It's "Hart to Heart,"
and we're back.
980
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:14,215
And I'm still talking
to Tyler Perry.
981
00:36:14,257 --> 00:36:18,011
I've seen you take trips.
You go to these places.
982
00:36:18,053 --> 00:36:19,596
You off the
fucking face of this Earth.
983
00:36:19,637 --> 00:36:22,223
I was on social media.
I follow you.
984
00:36:22,265 --> 00:36:23,516
You had a picture of like,
985
00:36:23,558 --> 00:36:25,727
there was a moose
outside your room.
986
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:27,687
-That's Wyoming.
-Wyoming.
987
00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:29,272
-Well, for black people, that's
off the face of the Earth.
988
00:36:29,314 --> 00:36:31,983
-You're like, "Oh, look at this.
A moose is there."
989
00:36:32,025 --> 00:36:35,028
But you're like, "I'm writing.
I'm in a think tank."
990
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:39,240
For you to go on your
creative binges, these benders,
991
00:36:39,282 --> 00:36:40,533
you separate yourself.
992
00:36:40,575 --> 00:36:42,702
What do you do?
-Just like I'm on crack.
993
00:36:42,744 --> 00:36:44,788
-Yeah. What do you do?
Like for you, because you go,
994
00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:47,499
you come back with ideas,
IPs, whatever.
995
00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:50,710
Like, is there a period of time
that you take out of the year
996
00:36:50,752 --> 00:36:52,671
or a certain amount
where you go,
997
00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:54,673
"I'm going to distance myself
998
00:36:54,714 --> 00:36:57,842
and this time is taken
to do said things."
999
00:36:57,884 --> 00:37:01,054
-I have an island in the Bahamas
1000
00:37:01,096 --> 00:37:03,348
that I bought
for my 40th birthday,
1001
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:04,974
and I have a house in Wyoming.
1002
00:37:05,016 --> 00:37:07,686
And those places,
you can't go anywhere.
1003
00:37:07,727 --> 00:37:10,730
In the Bahamas, if the guy
1004
00:37:10,772 --> 00:37:12,899
who has the island
probably a mile away
1005
00:37:12,941 --> 00:37:16,277
turns off his cellular tower,
you don't have cell service.
1006
00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:17,696
So it's perfect.
1007
00:37:17,737 --> 00:37:20,573
So I sit there
for two weeks, two weeks,
1008
00:37:20,615 --> 00:37:22,742
I come up with 22 episodes,
1009
00:37:22,784 --> 00:37:24,369
write them,
send them to Atlanta.
1010
00:37:24,411 --> 00:37:25,912
Okay, there's "Sisters."
1011
00:37:25,954 --> 00:37:28,164
I'll take a week, do nothing,
get drunk, hang out.
1012
00:37:28,206 --> 00:37:31,084
Go to Wyoming. Two weeks.
Sit there, 22 episodes.
1013
00:37:31,126 --> 00:37:33,086
Okay, guys, there's "Oval."
Send them all back.
1014
00:37:33,128 --> 00:37:36,923
So when I get back, I've got
120-130 episodes written.
1015
00:37:36,965 --> 00:37:38,591
I'm like, okay,
now we're gonna direct them,
1016
00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:39,801
because I can't do them both
at the same time.
1017
00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:42,846
So I have to write them,
make them happen
1018
00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:44,931
you know,
make sure the scripts are right
1019
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,891
and make sure
the audience will love them.
1020
00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:48,476
And listen, we're killing. These
shows are killing on BET.
1021
00:37:48,518 --> 00:37:49,728
-Mm-hmm.
-Killing.
1022
00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:52,063
Do that,
and then on to the next thing.
1023
00:37:52,105 --> 00:37:55,900
-How do you figure out the team?
What's that system?
1024
00:37:55,942 --> 00:37:57,861
-Honestly, they're only
about five or six people
1025
00:37:57,902 --> 00:37:59,696
at the top of my team
who handle it.
1026
00:37:59,738 --> 00:38:01,072
I put it in that person's hands,
1027
00:38:01,114 --> 00:38:02,866
then they put it in
somebody else's hands,
1028
00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:04,242
then somebody else's hands,
and they all have it ready.
1029
00:38:04,284 --> 00:38:06,453
So when I show up,
they're ready to go.
1030
00:38:06,494 --> 00:38:08,913
We'll do casting over --
1031
00:38:08,955 --> 00:38:10,373
They'll send me
pictures and auditions.
1032
00:38:10,415 --> 00:38:11,916
I'll take a look at them.
1033
00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:14,836
And when I come to work,
they know everything's in line.
1034
00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:16,880
So it's about
five or six people,
1035
00:38:16,921 --> 00:38:18,423
and they handle everything.
1036
00:38:18,465 --> 00:38:22,052
-Is it set up for you
to take a step back, in a way?
1037
00:38:22,093 --> 00:38:25,347
-Where I am right now at 52 is,
I'm looking at the exit, right?
1038
00:38:25,388 --> 00:38:29,517
Which is, in order to exit
a company that I built like this
1039
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,019
is going to take
about 10 to 15 years,
1040
00:38:31,061 --> 00:38:34,189
because at last check,
there was about 3,500 cars
1041
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:36,649
coming through the gate a day.
-Wow.
1042
00:38:36,691 --> 00:38:39,027
That's jobs.
-Jobs, yeah.
1043
00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:42,030
So I have to be
in a position of, okay,
1044
00:38:42,072 --> 00:38:43,990
you got 10, 15 years
here, buddy.
1045
00:38:44,032 --> 00:38:45,867
What are you doing
to make that happen,
1046
00:38:45,909 --> 00:38:48,495
so you can walk away,
own it, oversee it.
1047
00:38:48,536 --> 00:38:51,664
So I've just started putting
some great people in place.
1048
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,083
I'm pulling them
from everywhere.
1049
00:38:53,124 --> 00:38:54,334
Like, you got a couple
of people around here
1050
00:38:54,376 --> 00:38:55,460
I'm looking at pulling.
1051
00:38:55,502 --> 00:38:56,670
-I'm sorry.
-Did I say --
1052
00:38:56,711 --> 00:38:58,838
That was
the quiet part out loud.
1053
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,924
-You did say it out loud.
You definitely let me hear it.
1054
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,884
-That was the quiet part
out loud.
1055
00:39:02,926 --> 00:39:05,345
So no, I'm starting
to put those people.
1056
00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:07,180
-You're stealing people,
is what you're saying, Tyler.
1057
00:39:07,222 --> 00:39:08,848
-Starting to put the right
people in the right positions.
1058
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:10,600
-Sound like you stealing
motherfuckers from people's --
1059
00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:12,352
-So that they can --
-I tell you what!
1060
00:39:12,394 --> 00:39:14,229
Let a motherfucker
look Tyler in the eye!
1061
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:19,693
You look Tyler
in the eye, you're done!
1062
00:39:19,734 --> 00:39:23,822
No eye contact
with Tyler before he leaves!
1063
00:39:23,863 --> 00:39:26,241
As a matter of fact,
when Tyler walks out,
1064
00:39:26,282 --> 00:39:29,411
I want everybody
in this corner over here.
1065
00:39:29,452 --> 00:39:30,787
Jesus Christ.
1066
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:32,997
-So that's what I'm
working on right now.
1067
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,209
-Is there an age --
is there a --
1068
00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:38,712
I mean, dude, I'm asking
1069
00:39:38,753 --> 00:39:42,048
not just because of like --
-I'm old.
1070
00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:45,051
-No, actually, 52. I thought
you were a little older.
1071
00:39:45,093 --> 00:39:47,220
52, you're young.
But I'm asking --
1072
00:39:47,262 --> 00:39:48,888
-Why'd you think I was
a little older?
1073
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:50,473
-You've been doing it
for a long time.
1074
00:39:50,515 --> 00:39:52,058
I associate with my mom.
-Okay, okay.
1075
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,185
-So you've been doing it
for a long fucking time.
1076
00:39:54,227 --> 00:39:57,939
But I'm like,
1077
00:39:57,981 --> 00:40:00,150
you have
a punctuation already set?
1078
00:40:00,191 --> 00:40:02,861
You're saying 52.
So it could have been 55.
1079
00:40:02,902 --> 00:40:04,446
Yeah, it could be 60.
-Yeah.
1080
00:40:04,487 --> 00:40:05,780
-At age 60, I want to...
1081
00:40:05,822 --> 00:40:09,868
My fear is,
I don't want to set a date
1082
00:40:09,909 --> 00:40:12,996
too late and I'm hunched.
1083
00:40:13,038 --> 00:40:15,999
Or I'm at the party
and you got to explain
1084
00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:18,084
to me what's going on,
I don't want that.
1085
00:40:18,126 --> 00:40:20,754
-Oh, you know him, too?
-Yeah. Yeah.
1086
00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:22,297
-I don't want you to have that.
1087
00:40:22,339 --> 00:40:26,051
"Kevin, look this way. They want
to tell you what you did."
1088
00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:27,761
-You know. You know.
-"Who they?"
1089
00:40:27,802 --> 00:40:29,804
-Don't mention his name.
-I don't want to do that.
1090
00:40:29,846 --> 00:40:31,181
I don't want you
to do that to me.
1091
00:40:31,222 --> 00:40:33,350
-Yeah. No.
-I don't want you to wake me up
1092
00:40:33,391 --> 00:40:35,018
at my celebration,
1093
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:38,480
where you go, "Kevin,
we celebrating you today."
1094
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:40,023
-"Kevin, Kevin. Get up."
1095
00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:42,609
-"Tell them I said I want --"
1096
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:44,194
-They called you, man.
-They want me to go up there?
1097
00:40:44,235 --> 00:40:46,404
-No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no.
1098
00:40:46,446 --> 00:40:47,697
-Diane?
1099
00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:48,740
Diana Ross was the best
to ever do it.
1100
00:40:48,782 --> 00:40:50,367
-No, your grandchildren did.
1101
00:40:50,408 --> 00:40:52,744
Your grandchildren.
They took it for you. You okay.
1102
00:40:52,786 --> 00:40:54,245
-I don't want that.
-Yeah.
1103
00:40:54,287 --> 00:40:57,290
So I have a point
1104
00:40:57,332 --> 00:41:01,503
that I know is going to act
as my punctuation,
1105
00:41:01,544 --> 00:41:02,754
where I'm going to be done.
1106
00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:04,464
-Well, wherever that is,
1107
00:41:04,506 --> 00:41:07,884
you need to start 10, 15 years
before you think it is.
1108
00:41:07,926 --> 00:41:09,427
So that's where I am now.
1109
00:41:09,469 --> 00:41:11,304
What does the exit look like?
How does that happen?
1110
00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:13,306
And listen, I don't know.
My son's 7 years old.
1111
00:41:13,348 --> 00:41:15,183
I don't know what he's going to
want to do at 25, 30.
1112
00:41:15,225 --> 00:41:16,935
Maybe he'll want to drive Uber.
1113
00:41:16,976 --> 00:41:18,144
If that's what you want to do,
great. Be good at it.
1114
00:41:18,186 --> 00:41:19,938
If you don't want this, great.
1115
00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:21,648
I'll make all this shit
go public,
1116
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:24,067
and it will be done.
-It'll be done.
1117
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:26,027
But I'm actually looking for,
what does that look like
1118
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:27,320
on the other side of this?
1119
00:41:27,362 --> 00:41:30,115
'Cause it's a lot, man.
It's draining.
1120
00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:31,658
It's a lot to be
in this position,
1121
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:34,160
to be under this microscope,
to see your family suffer,
1122
00:41:34,202 --> 00:41:36,079
everybody suffer,
you know what I'm saying?
1123
00:41:36,121 --> 00:41:37,497
Of course you know
what I'm saying.
1124
00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:39,165
-I know exactly what
you're fucking saying.
1125
00:41:39,207 --> 00:41:41,251
-At some point you go,
okay, where's the exit?
1126
00:41:41,292 --> 00:41:45,714
-Well, I think the biggest
piece of pressure
1127
00:41:45,755 --> 00:41:49,092
comes from like...
-You. Yourself.
1128
00:41:49,134 --> 00:41:51,094
-You're putting your pressure
1129
00:41:51,136 --> 00:41:55,932
on not only what you're doing,
but it starts to go,
1130
00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:59,102
"Do you guys understand
what I'm trying to do?"
1131
00:41:59,144 --> 00:42:02,355
-Let me tell you the difference
for me, though.
1132
00:42:02,397 --> 00:42:07,110
I look at all of the people
who could have done it,
1133
00:42:07,152 --> 00:42:09,154
who had the opportunity
to do it, who didn't.
1134
00:42:09,195 --> 00:42:10,530
-Mm-hmm.
1135
00:42:10,572 --> 00:42:13,867
-And I look at, I think
about my Aunt May,
1136
00:42:13,908 --> 00:42:16,536
Uncle Alf, is what we
called him, her husband,
1137
00:42:16,578 --> 00:42:18,038
and Papa Rod, who was the bed.
1138
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,581
This man was a slave.
1139
00:42:19,622 --> 00:42:21,249
I remember being a little kid,
seeing him in the bed.
1140
00:42:21,291 --> 00:42:23,877
He was a former slave.
I think about all of them.
1141
00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,879
And I go, "This fell on me."
1142
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,173
-Yeah.
-All of it.
1143
00:42:28,214 --> 00:42:31,343
So, number one, I got to
honor it and see it through.
1144
00:42:31,384 --> 00:42:33,720
I got to see it all the way
through to the end.
1145
00:42:33,762 --> 00:42:35,805
Exhausted. Tired. Frustrated.
1146
00:42:35,847 --> 00:42:38,558
Got enough money to say,
bye, peace, I'm out.
1147
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,809
Y'all figure it out.
1148
00:42:39,851 --> 00:42:41,394
But what happens
with all of those people
1149
00:42:41,436 --> 00:42:43,730
who have those dreams and those
visions and those hopes
1150
00:42:43,772 --> 00:42:45,273
and they were tied into mine?
1151
00:42:45,315 --> 00:42:49,027
Everybody's destiny is tied
into someone's destiny.
1152
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:51,279
So if you're not doing
what you're supposed to,
1153
00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:53,323
what's happening to them?
-Yeah.
1154
00:42:53,365 --> 00:42:55,075
-I don't want to get
to the end of my life and say,
1155
00:42:55,116 --> 00:42:56,493
"Damn, I wish I had done that,
1156
00:42:56,534 --> 00:42:58,036
because this many people
would have been helped,
1157
00:42:58,078 --> 00:42:59,412
or that many people
would have been helped."
1158
00:42:59,454 --> 00:43:01,081
And I know that sounds
really like, whatever,
1159
00:43:01,122 --> 00:43:02,415
but it's honest to God,
it's truly how I feel.
1160
00:43:02,457 --> 00:43:04,084
-You don't want to quit on them.
-Yeah. Yeah.
1161
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:07,128
-You don't want to quit on
the plan that's not done.
1162
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:08,713
-Yeah.
-That's not complete.
1163
00:43:08,755 --> 00:43:11,424
-By the way, that's a hell
of a fucking burden, though.
1164
00:43:11,466 --> 00:43:13,551
-It is, but I want
to leave like Cicely Tyson, man.
1165
00:43:13,593 --> 00:43:15,845
And the only reason
I say this is because
1166
00:43:15,887 --> 00:43:17,430
she said this in her book --
1167
00:43:17,472 --> 00:43:18,973
I took care of her for the last
15 years of her life.
1168
00:43:19,015 --> 00:43:20,433
Nobody knew that.
1169
00:43:20,475 --> 00:43:24,312
She came to work on "Why
Did I Get Married?" one day.
1170
00:43:24,354 --> 00:43:26,940
I just wrote her in, paid her
a million dollars for one day.
1171
00:43:26,981 --> 00:43:29,901
She made $6,000 on "Sounder."
1172
00:43:29,943 --> 00:43:31,945
Imagine, that's
what they paid her,
1173
00:43:31,986 --> 00:43:34,614
and to be that age
and into your nineties
1174
00:43:34,656 --> 00:43:36,866
and still having to work.
1175
00:43:36,908 --> 00:43:38,201
The last 15 years of her life,
1176
00:43:38,243 --> 00:43:39,994
I was able to make it
some of her best.
1177
00:43:40,036 --> 00:43:41,538
She would tell me
that all the time.
1178
00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:44,165
But I say that too,
that's the way I want to leave.
1179
00:43:44,207 --> 00:43:46,501
Like I was on her, "Cicely,
you got to write this book.
1180
00:43:46,543 --> 00:43:47,919
Oh, you got to write this book."
1181
00:43:47,961 --> 00:43:49,462
Because she would
tell me stories, random shit.
1182
00:43:49,504 --> 00:43:51,589
She's like, "Yeah,
Elizabeth Taylor, you know.
1183
00:43:51,631 --> 00:43:53,591
Yeah, I had to sue her
because she did such and such."
1184
00:43:53,633 --> 00:43:54,884
What are you doing?
1185
00:43:54,926 --> 00:43:56,177
"Yeah, me and Miles
were talking --"
1186
00:43:56,219 --> 00:43:57,804
Miles..? You were married
to Miles Davis.
1187
00:43:57,846 --> 00:43:59,264
Why aren't you
writing this down?
1188
00:43:59,305 --> 00:44:00,890
She finally writes the book.
1189
00:44:00,932 --> 00:44:02,350
She goes out
to promote the book.
1190
00:44:02,392 --> 00:44:04,227
We have a conversation
that night.
1191
00:44:04,269 --> 00:44:05,979
She's like, "Yeah, I'm tired.
I'm gonna go home."
1192
00:44:06,021 --> 00:44:09,566
Goes home, lays down, and dies.
1193
00:44:09,607 --> 00:44:11,484
That's how you want to leave.
1194
00:44:11,526 --> 00:44:13,653
96. You've done it all.
1195
00:44:13,695 --> 00:44:15,113
"I'm out, y'all."
1196
00:44:15,155 --> 00:44:17,115
No pain, no suffering,
in her right mind.
1197
00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:19,701
Sharp as a whip
all the way to the end.
1198
00:44:19,743 --> 00:44:21,453
So that's what I'm looking for.
1199
00:44:21,494 --> 00:44:22,746
Where is that, you know?
1200
00:44:22,787 --> 00:44:24,247
How do you get to that
1201
00:44:24,289 --> 00:44:27,250
and look at all of the doors
that you open behind you?
1202
00:44:27,292 --> 00:44:29,919
-I think you're
well on your way.
1203
00:44:29,961 --> 00:44:31,254
Let's take a break.
1204
00:44:31,296 --> 00:44:32,672
We'll be back
with more "Hart to Heart."
1205
00:44:32,714 --> 00:44:35,383
It's going to get
a little deeper before we go.
1206
00:44:46,686 --> 00:44:50,899
**
1207
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:52,901
-D.L. Hughley.
-No. Oh, Jesus.
1208
00:44:52,942 --> 00:44:54,194
-Thank you, D.L.
I appreciate it.
1209
00:44:54,235 --> 00:44:57,197
-It's not --
We're not coming from --
1210
00:44:57,238 --> 00:44:58,573
There's no other show.
1211
00:44:58,615 --> 00:45:00,241
-I appreciate it. Okay.
I thought it was --
1212
00:45:00,283 --> 00:45:02,327
-Guys, this is "Hart to Heart,"
and we're back.
1213
00:45:02,369 --> 00:45:03,328
-Yeah.
1214
00:45:03,370 --> 00:45:05,205
-I don't want to wrap it up.
1215
00:45:05,246 --> 00:45:06,706
I don't want to wrap it up,
but all good things
1216
00:45:06,748 --> 00:45:08,917
come to an end, and
before this comes to an end --
1217
00:45:08,958 --> 00:45:11,711
Marvel...
-Uses.
1218
00:45:11,753 --> 00:45:16,758
-Marvel uses Tyler Perry Studio.
1219
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:24,099
The biggest bankable
fucking bet in entertainment.
1220
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:26,476
When it comes to Marvel,
when it comes to DC,
1221
00:45:26,518 --> 00:45:29,187
comes to this world
of characters
1222
00:45:29,229 --> 00:45:36,236
and fucking crazy fan base
that never leaves,
1223
00:45:36,277 --> 00:45:38,113
that's going to make money
no matter what,
1224
00:45:38,154 --> 00:45:40,031
they go through you,
1225
00:45:40,073 --> 00:45:43,451
the guy who they say,
1226
00:45:43,493 --> 00:45:45,245
"Oh, man, I don't know.
Why are you doing this?"
1227
00:45:45,286 --> 00:45:47,372
-Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
-"Come on, man."
1228
00:45:47,414 --> 00:45:48,623
-Somebody came through the gate,
1229
00:45:48,665 --> 00:45:51,376
one of the producers
on some show,
1230
00:45:51,418 --> 00:45:53,503
he saw "Tyler Perry Studios."
1231
00:45:53,545 --> 00:45:55,255
He goes through the gates,
he sees the stages.
1232
00:45:55,296 --> 00:45:57,716
He goes, "Wait, the Madea dude?"
1233
00:45:57,757 --> 00:46:00,301
-The Madea dude.
-Yeah.
1234
00:46:00,343 --> 00:46:05,473
I'm like, "Hellur.
Hellur. Come on in."
1235
00:46:05,515 --> 00:46:06,725
[ Both laugh ]
1236
00:46:06,766 --> 00:46:08,810
"Y'all want some lemonade
or something?"
1237
00:46:08,852 --> 00:46:10,186
Shit, yeah.
1238
00:46:10,228 --> 00:46:11,980
That's right. Come on.
1239
00:46:12,022 --> 00:46:14,649
[ Both laugh ]
That's right.
1240
00:46:14,691 --> 00:46:18,486
-I say that to say, man,
there is a gift in every curse.
1241
00:46:18,528 --> 00:46:19,571
-Yeah.
1242
00:46:19,612 --> 00:46:21,489
-You're a man of
the fucking people.
1243
00:46:21,531 --> 00:46:24,659
And you're a really,
really important part of change.
1244
00:46:24,701 --> 00:46:30,498
And I truly do hope
that the abundance of flowers
1245
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,543
that should be thrown at you
will be thrown
1246
00:46:33,585 --> 00:46:35,837
when you can fucking
really register and see it.
1247
00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:37,339
-I appreciate that.
1248
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:38,757
-Because when you say
things like,
1249
00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:40,675
"No, I hear it.
I hear the murmurs.
1250
00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:42,719
I hear things, whatever."
1251
00:46:42,761 --> 00:46:44,262
I want you here
1252
00:46:44,304 --> 00:46:46,181
because I want to give you
my version
1253
00:46:46,222 --> 00:46:49,351
of fucking, you doing it.
-Thanks.
1254
00:46:49,392 --> 00:46:50,852
-I shouldn't have to say that.
1255
00:46:50,894 --> 00:46:52,645
because it comes
within the proof.
1256
00:46:52,687 --> 00:46:57,025
The proof is present
of what you're doing.
1257
00:46:57,067 --> 00:46:59,444
But more importantly.
1258
00:46:59,486 --> 00:47:03,490
I'm not able to be
the businessman that I am
1259
00:47:03,531 --> 00:47:05,950
if you didn't do what you did.
-I appreciate that, man.
1260
00:47:05,992 --> 00:47:07,577
Thank you.
1261
00:47:07,619 --> 00:47:09,204
-If you didn't break the ground,
open up the doors,
1262
00:47:09,245 --> 00:47:12,707
create the conversations,
I can't follow suit.
1263
00:47:12,749 --> 00:47:14,125
I don't have a blueprint.
1264
00:47:14,167 --> 00:47:16,461
That blueprint was set by you,
1265
00:47:16,503 --> 00:47:20,382
and your fucking blueprint,
well, it's become massive.
1266
00:47:20,423 --> 00:47:22,092
I don't have
Tyler Perry Studios.
1267
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:23,385
-Yeah.
-But I went and got
1268
00:47:23,426 --> 00:47:25,261
some stages based off of you.
1269
00:47:25,303 --> 00:47:27,430
-That's awesome.
-And your fucking studio.
1270
00:47:27,472 --> 00:47:30,183
-That's awesome.
-I had no idea.
1271
00:47:30,225 --> 00:47:31,559
I had no idea that people
1272
00:47:31,601 --> 00:47:33,311
would come and fucking
rent spaces from you.
1273
00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:37,691
That you could own
and do a project for them,
1274
00:47:37,732 --> 00:47:40,777
but then get paid,
and I had no idea.
1275
00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:42,404
Tyler,
1276
00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:47,492
you have laid out the
business fucking blueprint
1277
00:47:47,534 --> 00:47:50,870
to people that want to
be in the business.
1278
00:47:50,912 --> 00:47:52,080
-I appreciate that, man.
1279
00:47:52,122 --> 00:47:53,707
And that's what I wanted to do,
1280
00:47:53,748 --> 00:47:55,458
because I'm tired of people
talking about #OscarsSoWhite.
1281
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,544
I'm tired of people talking
about, "We need diversity.
1282
00:47:57,585 --> 00:48:00,505
We need more jobs. We need --"
I'm tired of that, man.
1283
00:48:00,547 --> 00:48:03,508
It's just like, y'all go ahead
and do that and I appreciate it.
1284
00:48:03,550 --> 00:48:06,386
If want me to stand
with you, I'm there.
1285
00:48:06,428 --> 00:48:09,431
But the truth is,
when more of us start to do
1286
00:48:09,472 --> 00:48:11,766
what I've done,
what you're doing,
1287
00:48:11,808 --> 00:48:15,812
what Jay's doing, stand up
and take the position of,
1288
00:48:15,854 --> 00:48:17,147
how do we build it so that
1289
00:48:17,188 --> 00:48:18,898
we don't have to be
in those positions?
1290
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:21,776
That's when the change
that lasts forever,
1291
00:48:21,818 --> 00:48:24,279
because what'll happen is there
will be tremendous guilt.
1292
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,823
And I've seen this many times --
George Floyd's death
1293
00:48:26,865 --> 00:48:28,908
and we need diversity and we
need this and we need that,
1294
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:32,662
and then there's this uprising
of the anger behind that.
1295
00:48:32,704 --> 00:48:35,623
Like, you know,
I read an article today
1296
00:48:35,665 --> 00:48:39,127
about white people losing jobs
to minorities and women
1297
00:48:39,169 --> 00:48:40,462
and black people
in the business,
1298
00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:42,172
and all of these things
in the business
1299
00:48:42,213 --> 00:48:43,506
that are saying,
you have to do this,
1300
00:48:43,548 --> 00:48:44,716
you have to do that,
you have to do that.
1301
00:48:44,758 --> 00:48:46,176
You have to have
this many minorities
1302
00:48:46,217 --> 00:48:47,802
in order for your movie
to be qualified.
1303
00:48:47,844 --> 00:48:50,138
As I've read all of that stuff,
I know it's going to cause
1304
00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:51,639
a lot of resentment.
1305
00:48:51,681 --> 00:48:53,099
When the pendulum
swings this way,
1306
00:48:53,141 --> 00:48:54,642
it swings back
the other way hard.
1307
00:48:54,684 --> 00:48:56,353
And when it comes back
the other way,
1308
00:48:56,394 --> 00:48:58,646
I worry about what
would happen for us, right?
1309
00:48:58,688 --> 00:49:01,316
But if more of us
are in positions of ownership
1310
00:49:01,358 --> 00:49:02,650
and control and business,
1311
00:49:02,692 --> 00:49:04,986
then we can effect
long-lasting change.
1312
00:49:05,028 --> 00:49:09,616
-I'm not even going to try to
repunctuate an amazing sentence,
1313
00:49:09,657 --> 00:49:14,954
but I promise you,
you, Oprah, Hov, B,
1314
00:49:14,996 --> 00:49:20,627
Lee Daniels, Shonda Rhimes,
1315
00:49:20,669 --> 00:49:24,339
Lena Waithe,
1316
00:49:24,381 --> 00:49:29,761
Ava, Kenya Barris.
1317
00:49:29,803 --> 00:49:32,681
There's so many
of us that are creating,
1318
00:49:32,722 --> 00:49:35,266
that are trying, some own,
some don't, whatever.
1319
00:49:35,308 --> 00:49:39,896
But there's a ballpark
of commitment,
1320
00:49:39,938 --> 00:49:41,189
of people that are trying.
1321
00:49:41,231 --> 00:49:42,565
-Yeah.
-Right?
1322
00:49:42,607 --> 00:49:45,193
And some are cracking
a code correctly and
1323
00:49:45,235 --> 00:49:46,611
some are figuring it out, right?
1324
00:49:46,653 --> 00:49:48,822
Some are trying
their best to figure it out.
1325
00:49:48,863 --> 00:49:51,783
But you don't get to a place
of even understanding
1326
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:55,078
that you can without
the examples of who did.
1327
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,329
So, if nothing else,
1328
00:49:56,371 --> 00:49:57,831
from this episode
of "Hart to Heart,"
1329
00:49:57,872 --> 00:50:01,710
I want you to take away,
well, Tyler's a person that did.
1330
00:50:01,751 --> 00:50:04,462
He's a person is going
to continue to do,
1331
00:50:04,504 --> 00:50:08,883
and the trajectory
of what can happen afterwards
1332
00:50:08,925 --> 00:50:14,055
is so fucking promising, because
he's already broke the barrier.
1333
00:50:14,097 --> 00:50:15,598
Dude, I'm a fan. I'm a friend.
1334
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,892
But more importantly,
I'm a student.
1335
00:50:17,934 --> 00:50:19,894
Continue to be
a fucking mentor, man.
1336
00:50:19,936 --> 00:50:22,689
Continue to be a mentor.
Don't stop, man.
1337
00:50:22,731 --> 00:50:25,150
Fucking Atlanta
is really black Hollywood.
1338
00:50:25,191 --> 00:50:26,443
-I want the same for you, man.
1339
00:50:26,484 --> 00:50:28,153
-Yes, sir.
-Same for you. Don't stop.
1340
00:50:28,194 --> 00:50:29,529
-Yes, sir. Well, I owe you.
1341
00:50:29,571 --> 00:50:30,822
The ball's in your court now.
1342
00:50:30,864 --> 00:50:32,574
So I don't know
what you're gonna ask.
1343
00:50:32,615 --> 00:50:34,242
I don't know what you want.
-Okay.
1344
00:50:34,284 --> 00:50:35,744
-But handshake on this.
1345
00:50:35,785 --> 00:50:38,204
-Right now, I want you
not to stop.
1346
00:50:38,246 --> 00:50:39,789
Don't stop.
-Okay.
1347
00:50:39,831 --> 00:50:41,416
-Have you been COVID tested?
-No.
1348
00:50:41,458 --> 00:50:43,209
That's what I wanted
to talk to you about.
1349
00:50:43,251 --> 00:50:44,753
This set ain't safe.
-Okay, guys.
1350
00:50:44,794 --> 00:50:46,254
-Yeah.
I've been doing this different.
1351
00:50:46,296 --> 00:50:47,464
-Okay.
-Alright?
1352
00:50:47,505 --> 00:50:48,715
We different around here.
1353
00:50:48,757 --> 00:50:50,091
-Okay, got it.
-Guys, let's wrap it up.
1354
00:50:50,133 --> 00:50:52,344
-Can I get a mask, guys?
I'm gonna need a mask.
1355
00:50:52,385 --> 00:50:53,928
[ Laughing ]
1356
00:50:53,970 --> 00:50:55,597
-All jokes aside, guys,
it's "Hart to Heart."
1357
00:50:55,638 --> 00:50:57,766
This is fucking Tyler Perry.
One time, guys. Come on.
1358
00:50:57,807 --> 00:50:59,142
[ Applause ]
Tyler fucking Perry, man.
1359
00:50:59,184 --> 00:51:00,393
-That's awesome.
1360
00:51:00,435 --> 00:51:03,813
**
1361
00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:06,775
-Kevin Hart here
with another life antidote.
1362
00:51:06,816 --> 00:51:10,904
Life can throw you a U-turn.
U-turns are unexpected.
1363
00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:13,156
Sometimes U-turns
are for the best.
1364
00:51:13,198 --> 00:51:14,657
I'm talking about bunions.
1365
00:51:14,699 --> 00:51:16,618
Your shit flipped the other way.
1366
00:51:16,659 --> 00:51:18,703
Stop wearing shoes.
1367
00:51:18,753 --> 00:51:23,303
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