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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,016 [Narrator] In 1975, Swansea City were down and almost out. 2 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,136 At the end of that season, 3 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:48,896 they were forced into the humiliation 4 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,496 of applying for reelection to the Fourth Division, 5 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,136 and you can't get any lower than that. 6 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,856 The Vetch Field was like the proverbial graveyard. 7 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,336 The pitch was bumpy and bare, the support likewise. 8 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,576 Home gates on Saturdays averaged under 2,000. 9 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,576 For the small amount of supporters and directors, 10 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,656 the future, such as it was, looked bleak. 11 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,120 But help was on the way. 12 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,800 I don't think I've ever been daunted in my life. 13 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,320 (upbeat rock music) 14 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,920 (crowd cheering) 15 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,696 If you grew up at Liverpool under Shankly, 16 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,416 you weren't allowed to be daunted about anything. 17 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,216 When I went to Liverpool, maybe, yeah, 18 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,896 I felt a little bit, a little bit like that. 19 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,920 (soft music) (crowd chattering) 20 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,456 We got off the train, Sue and myself, 21 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,696 on the platform there at Liverpool, 22 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,816 and Shanks was there with his trilby hat on 23 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,697 at the end of the platform. 24 00:02:15,721 --> 00:02:17,936 And he came on and he shook my hand, and he said, 25 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,976 "Welcome to Liverpool, son. 26 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,096 You've left Sunday school and you've come to church." 27 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,296 (John chuckles) 28 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Rock music. 29 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,736 What Shanks drummed into all us was that. 30 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,560 "No, no, no, you are the best, boys, you know, you." 31 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,120 We believed him. 32 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,176 [Interviewer] What is the Liverpool recipe book? 33 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Oh simplicity, and the will to win, 34 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:52,897 and helping each other. 35 00:02:52,921 --> 00:02:56,256 It's a form of socialism without the politics, of course. 36 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,496 Politics don't work, never will work, 37 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,936 time we got rid of them. 38 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,896 A form of socialism where you help me and I help you, 39 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:04,256 and at the end of the day, 40 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,576 they helped each other and they won. 41 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,816 Then they got the idea they're invincible. 42 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,976 And, of course, they were invincible. 43 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,200 They are invincible. 44 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,376 When I left Liverpool, 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,016 or I say when I left, I knew my time. 46 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,176 I'd had this thigh injury, this problem, 47 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,736 which had held me back a bit. 48 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,296 After a couple of months, this would get, 49 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,416 then it affected my training and one thing. 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,576 And then it was quite clear that there was a problem there. 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,600 And then I just was invited by the Gola sports firm 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,456 to go down to a sports trade fair in Swansea 53 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,496 at the old Dragon Hotel. 54 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,616 And I just got talking. 55 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,216 I met Malcolm Struel, got talking one or two things, 56 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,080 and the Swansea thing came up. 57 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,896 Through something happening about Swansea and playing. 58 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,536 Would I fancying about managing, 59 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,816 and I just said, "No", first of all, "no, no." 60 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,456 Then I thought huh, well, this is interesting. 61 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,480 (upbeat rock music) (birds squawking) 62 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,296 The main thing is that I've come back to South Wales really, 63 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,496 and that I'm going to put into practise 64 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,377 the things that I've learnt 65 00:04:16,401 --> 00:04:18,336 over the last eight years on Merseyside, 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,096 and I'll be putting them into practise at Swansea City. 67 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,336 And, of course, Swansea, when you grew up at Cardiff, 68 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,336 in football, Swansea is the enemy number one. You know, 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,216 So when I decided to go to Swansea from Liverpool, 70 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,496 it was like whoop. 71 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,680 A lot of people, a lot of raised eyebrows. 72 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,256 [Narrator] An inspired move 73 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,456 by Swansea City Chairman, Malcolm Struel, 74 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,496 led to the arrival in March '78 of what, in retrospect, 75 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,136 can truly be called a 'Football Messiah'. 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,656 With the club just in touch with promotion, 77 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,976 Struel persuaded Welsh international striker John Toshack 78 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,040 to leave Liverpool. 79 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,376 The city in general just absolutely sort of exploded. 80 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,936 I mean, we were all excited to be, you know, 81 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,857 There was a little bit of a trepidation 82 00:05:02,881 --> 00:05:05,536 because we didn't know quite how he was going to be. 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,457 I mean, Tosh at the time 84 00:05:06,481 --> 00:05:09,376 was only, what, 27, 28 years of age? 85 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,800 He was still a young man. 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,016 I'm hoping to give Swansea City, 87 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,736 and the people of this area, 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,776 the success that I feel it deserve. 89 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,216 I think that's the one thing that people forget 90 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,816 is that Tosh came as a player-manager. 91 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,216 We actually signed a First Division player. 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,736 But with his ability in training as much as anything, 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,176 we knew that the standards had to be lifted by everybody. 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,216 He brought a big time feel to the club 95 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,696 and really a belief that if you follow Tosh, 96 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,296 then you're going to be successful. 97 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,160 (upbeat rock music continues) 98 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,056 I remember all us, everybody - all the players, 99 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,536 we were all in the changing room at the Vetch. 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,216 Everybody's talking and sort of, 101 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,336 "Ooh, ooh, what's going happen?" 102 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,056 And then, of course, he come in with the chairman. 103 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,536 The chairman introduced him. 104 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,576 And there was like a minute silence, you know, 105 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,376 Everybody went deathly quiet. 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,456 I can remember the first day, sat in the dressing room 107 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,816 with our kit on. 108 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,080 And the kit that we had was our own kit. 109 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,296 Reds, greens and blues, you name it. 110 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,256 Shorts, all different colours, socks and everything. 111 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:30,136 Tosh came in smart, tie, suit. 112 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,136 Some people can just fill a room with a personality 113 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,576 and Tosh was able to do that. 114 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,416 And he's a big man, anyway, you know. 115 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,816 He's impressive looking when he walks into a room, 116 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:40,176 but he's got an aura about him. 117 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,496 I think all the top people, it's an aura, 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,496 it's a presence, and Tosh had that in abundance. 119 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,816 (crowd cheering) 120 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,816 He actually told us at the end of the speech then, 121 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,216 and "by the way," he said, "I'll have you lot 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,416 in the First Division within three years." 123 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,496 And I can remember looking across the dressing room 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,320 like this to Wyndham, and we were going. 125 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,736 It was genuinely one of those things that, you know, 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,736 as Tosh was talking to you, you know, 127 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,656 you actually would believe in him, type of thing. 128 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,816 And then, of course, he'd sort of 129 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,056 turn his back a little bit. 130 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,336 And me and Curt looked at each other 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,680 as if to say, we're in the Fourth Division now. 132 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,776 You know, First Division. 133 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,016 Does he know he's at Swansea City, 134 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,696 and not Manchester City? (Laughs) 135 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,496 And true to his word, we started believing in Tosh. 136 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,816 You know, the more sort of time went on, 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,600 you realise that, yeah, I mean, he was ambitious, 138 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,840 but he backed it up. 139 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,656 Fourth, Third, Second, First. 140 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Easy to say it, but a bit more difficult to do it. 141 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,120 (soft music) 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,336 Harry made a great contribution 143 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,656 because he cared about this football club. 144 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,816 And I had a man at the helm 145 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,856 who really put his heart and soul into it. 146 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,496 In fact, I think in his first full season, 147 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,696 he got us from the re-election situation 148 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:06,896 to about 10th in the league. 149 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,216 And that was the start of the way back. 150 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,056 When the time came, when I felt that Harry had taken us 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,936 as far as we could go, it was a terrible decision 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,056 to have to make the tell him 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,416 that I felt that he ought to step down, 154 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,976 step down to a number two position. 155 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,120 But it was a very, very difficult decision. 156 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:25,777 He took it really well 157 00:08:25,801 --> 00:08:28,256 because he felt that it was going to be good for the club. 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,016 And, of course, he was secure in the knowledge 159 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,296 that Tosh really wanted him to be there 160 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,656 because he relied upon his knowledge and his experience. 161 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:39,040 So the combination of the two was fantastic. 162 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Harry loved Tosh from the moment they met. 163 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,776 He was very happy to step down 164 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,976 and Tosh couldn't believe the welcome that he had, 165 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,977 first of all from Malcolm, 166 00:08:55,001 --> 00:08:56,816 but certainly from Harry, 167 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,200 because it was an open arms welcome. 168 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,176 I was so grateful for Harry. 169 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,056 I mean, he helped me when I went there first of all. 170 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,056 He told me, he said. 171 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,776 You know Harry had that thing, it was like. 172 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,016 "Ah you can't do that," he said. 173 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,040 "Harry, what about him?" 174 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,736 "When they play down here, down the Vetch, 175 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,016 you can send them out and go and have a cup of tea 176 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,496 up in the director's box there. 177 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,320 But once they get on that M4, 178 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,216 you're going to have your work cut out away from home. 179 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,456 "They get homesick." 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,480 (laughs) 181 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,976 I loved Harry because he sort of, he got myself involved. 182 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,336 He got Curt, Robbie, Charlo. 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,416 He knew us personally, and Tosh could see that. 184 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,776 He could see us and Harry together. 185 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,616 He knew that it was good. 186 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,816 And Tosh just gelled into it, 187 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,216 he was clever then 188 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,336 he just gelled into it. 189 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,936 But Harry was a great coach, a great manager. 190 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,776 Swansea through and through. 191 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,040 (soft music continues) 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,320 (crowd cheers) 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,096 (birds chirping) 194 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:21,936 [Interviewer] Did you find it very difficult 195 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,960 to become a manager? 196 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,136 Well, it's difficult to think 197 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,416 being a player-manager. 198 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,496 It's difficult because I'm trying to get over here 199 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,496 a way of playing, a way of training and a way of living 200 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,760 that I got used to myself at Liverpool. 201 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,976 I looked at the way that the side had been training, 202 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,816 and a lot of respect for Harry, God bless him, 203 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,136 but he really was up against it there. 204 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,536 (gentle music) 205 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,480 I mean, it was a case of some days 206 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,080 they would train over on the beach 207 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,496 just across the road there. 208 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,056 Other days they would go down Ashley Road 209 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,456 until the local park keeper, threw them off. 210 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,560 So it was, it was pretty difficult. 211 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,696 He changed everything, you know. 212 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,776 Even we used to take our own kit home. 213 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,456 Finish training, take your own kit home, 214 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,936 wash it to wear the following day. 215 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,960 All that changed. 216 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,416 The kit was washed for us. 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,696 He had washing machines plumbed in, 218 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,936 got in touch with Adidas so we had training kit. 219 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,400 And yes, it made you feel like a billion dollars. 220 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,576 It was a revelation really. 221 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,456 He came in and changed training. 222 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,096 And the preparation really was completely different 223 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,136 whereby we used to sort of just turn up at the club 224 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,896 on a Saturday for games. 225 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,896 We actually went away on a Friday night. 226 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,320 So the prep was excellent. 227 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,576 I tried to arrange for us to have a bite to eat. 228 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,496 We had Dolly who lived right down the corner 229 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,760 by the players' entrance. 230 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,816 He persuaded Dolly to go into the kitchen 231 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,296 to make us a little bit of. 232 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,136 It wasn't just so much the boys would eat it. 233 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,456 It's just for the fact that after training, 234 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,536 instead of everybody shooting off 235 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,016 in their different directions 236 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,536 that we all stayed together 237 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,240 just to mingle for an hour or so. 238 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,616 Dolly would come in 239 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,536 with a little bowl of soap each for us, 240 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:22,856 and then we'd just have one round of toast 241 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,760 and a sausage on it, you know. 242 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,817 You look back at it now 243 00:12:27,841 --> 00:12:29,960 and, yeah, it's really, really funny. 244 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,256 Dolly was a lady, 245 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,896 and I think she was originally from Devon or somewhere. 246 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,696 And you've got to remember a lot of the Welsh players 247 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,816 that were there, they'd been there 248 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,496 since they were young lads. 249 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,056 And Dolly looked after the players. 250 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,136 I mean, she guarded them. 251 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,536 She'd do anything for them. 252 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,296 She'd say, "No, I'm not doing it." 253 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,296 Next minute, she'd do it for them. 254 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,496 And she was a character. 255 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,896 But I'll tell you what, no one argued with her. 256 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,936 Even Toshack wouldn't argue with Dolly. 257 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,336 Nobody argued with Dolly. 258 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,440 (lively rock music) 259 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,896 I remember the night of my debut, against Watford. 260 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,296 I think, Swansea had been averaging about 5, 5,500. 261 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,976 19,000, 18,000, I think, turned up. 262 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,216 It was a fantastic day. 263 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,960 (crowd cheering) 264 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:28,737 It was a 3-3 draw. 265 00:13:28,761 --> 00:13:30,536 And it was a good way to start. 266 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,776 And obviously for Swansea 267 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,456 to get 17, 18,000 almost into the Vetch in those days 268 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,896 was a big, big thing. 269 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,536 [Interviewer] No regrets about the job? 270 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,816 Oh, no, certainly not! Never. 271 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:44,656 Terrific. 272 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,577 I enjoyed it. Fabulous. 273 00:13:45,601 --> 00:13:46,696 I haven't enjoyed a match so much 274 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,120 since Wales and Scotland. 275 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,920 (soft bass music) 276 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,976 We played Watford on the first game 277 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,136 and then the following week then 278 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,856 we had Crewe Alexandra away. 279 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,456 And Tosh give a speech and that. 280 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,016 I just turned to him and said, "Tosh, be careful today." 281 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,696 I said, "I know Crewe." 282 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,320 And said, "There's some nasty boys out there, you know." 283 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,736 And he said, "Wyndham, I've played against A.C. Milan, 284 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,016 Inter Milan, Juventus, Leeds United. 285 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,736 Are you serious?" 286 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,096 And he made me feel about that size. 287 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,216 All the boys giggled and laughed. 288 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,136 And I said, "Oh why did I say that?", you know. 289 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,576 Anyway, we go to play. 290 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,936 First corner we have. 291 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,576 Somebody takes the cross. 292 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,336 Somebody goes across Tosh, cracks his nose by there, 293 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,576 covered in blood. 294 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,496 At halftime then, 295 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,936 he looked as if he was playing for Liverpool, 296 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,296 he was all red. 297 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,616 We were all white and he was all red. 298 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,696 And he give us a team talk there. 299 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,496 And he turned to me and said, 300 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,576 "Don't you say anything?" 301 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,736 (laughs) 302 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:54,697 And I had to say it. 303 00:14:54,721 --> 00:14:55,936 I said, "You haven't played" 304 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,456 "against Crewe Alexandra, have you?" (laughs) 305 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,120 (crowd cheers) 306 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,136 To get promotion from the Fourth Division 307 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,816 initially to the Third, he had to bank on one thing. 308 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,336 And that was the players that he had. 309 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,216 Charlo, Robbie, Curt and himself 310 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,336 to score as many goals as you can, as you say. 311 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,056 They score three, we score four. 312 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,536 It happened a few times. 313 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,376 (upbeat rock music) 314 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,456 He wanted us on the front foot all the time. 315 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,576 Attack, Attack, Attack. 316 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,200 That's all he ever talked about. 317 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,376 And the likes of Robbie James and Curt, 318 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,080 obviously, he spotted that they were excellent. 319 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,936 Robbie was power, pure power. 320 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,776 Who passed people, knock people off things. 321 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,896 Just they don't even exist when Robbie was around. 322 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,576 Curt would turn you up in knots. 323 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,696 You'd think you had the ball when you were in training 324 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,176 and then he'd be gone. 325 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Charlo, you'd lose him and he'd be at the back of the net. 326 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,416 We had a nucleus of very local players as well, 327 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,016 and they knew how special it was to play for the club 328 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,656 and what it meant to everybody. 329 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,096 So it wasn't just you weren't just playing football 330 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,936 for yourselves or for the team, 331 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,976 you're playing for the city as well. 332 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,840 (upbeat rock music continues) 333 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,016 It's been a good club to me. 334 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,616 I've played for them for a long time, 335 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,936 and I've done all sorts of jobs, chores, 336 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,416 whatever you wish to call them. 337 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,536 And as long as I can get up in the morning 338 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,840 and come down to the Vetch Field, I'm happy. 339 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,056 Pretty advanced, are we? 340 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,336 [Interviewer] Again. 341 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,936 Eric, got to step to the side. 342 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Go on. 343 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,520 (soft music) 344 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,496 It's one of the saddest days. 345 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,456 I had literally nightmares about it for weeks afterwards. 346 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,480 I just, I remember walking into the medical room one day 347 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,336 just to ask, or just to see 348 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,416 how we were fixed the players for training. 349 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,920 Who could train, who couldn't, 350 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,280 and Harry just dropped to the floor, you know? 351 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,336 The doc was there fortunately enough. 352 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,800 The doc come running through 353 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,057 and sorted a few things out. 354 00:17:17,081 --> 00:17:18,296 Took him straight off to the hospital 355 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,296 and gone just like that, you know? 356 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,320 So that was one of the most difficult times, 357 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,840 obviously, 358 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,216 that I've had. 359 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,440 (gentle guitar music) 360 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,776 Tosh said, "Wyndham". 361 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,617 He said, "Come here." 362 00:17:39,641 --> 00:17:41,776 He pulled me to one side like that 363 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,936 and he said, "I've got bad news 364 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,976 that Harry has died this morning." 365 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,576 I said, "Died? 366 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,336 Harry Griffiths? 367 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:52,560 Yesterday he was fighting fit and that." 368 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,016 And I remember I said, "Tosh, I got to go." 369 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,216 I just went out, down to the beach. 370 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,096 And just had to walk, that's all. 371 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,456 I came back then to the training. 372 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,640 I was in quite early, so I just went down just to. 373 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,816 I couldn't believe it. 374 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,096 Imagine the team talk of players, 375 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,776 having to tell the players that Harry had passed away 376 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,416 in the morning of the game. 377 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,056 All this business about "let's go out" 378 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,896 "and do it for Harry" and all this. 379 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,016 That sounds great, you know, 380 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,616 but when you're actually in that position, 381 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,560 it was very, very difficult, very difficult. 382 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,336 You know, when we played that evening, 383 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,696 there was always that "where's Harry" type of thing. 384 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,080 For all the players, he had been a constant. 385 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,696 From when we all first started the club different times, 386 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,160 and Harry was always the constant there. 387 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,736 I think there's a lovely line from Robbie James actually 388 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,816 at the end of the match, they looked over to the dugout 389 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,816 and Robbie said, "Harry wasn't there." 390 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,697 "But he was," he said, 391 00:18:56,721 --> 00:18:58,616 "Because he was always looking after us, 392 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,240 always looking down on us, always encouraging us." 393 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,096 It might sound, I don't know, ironic a little bit, 394 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,536 but maybe it spurred us on, Harry, a little bit, 395 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,496 what happened, you know. 396 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,496 To say, "Come on, Harry wouldn't have liked that." 397 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,856 Or "Harry would have been proud of you there." 398 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,360 It spurred us on a little bit, 399 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,080 and getting promotion obviously 400 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,896 was Harry's team really, you know. 401 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,056 I mean, I'd just gone in on the end of it. 402 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,080 And, if you like, gave my little bit of whatever you want, 403 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,640 but I regard that promotion as Harry's really. 404 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600 (gentle synthesiser music) 405 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,696 [Interviewer] What are his particular qualities then, 406 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,537 do you think though? 407 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:30,800 Oh, that knowledge of the game, 408 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,896 and listening to people and picking people's brains. 409 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,776 And the determination he's got, a quiet determination. 410 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,976 I had a noisy determination. 411 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,240 John's is a little quieter, but just as effective. 412 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,336 (upbeat rock music) 413 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:48,616 Well, I felt, right, we've got up 414 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,816 to the Third Division now. 415 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,296 I mean, first thing you have to do 416 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,640 is sit down with the chairman and see what can we do here? 417 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,936 When I first heard that Ian Callaghan 418 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,416 and Tommy Smith were coming, I couldn't quite believe it, 419 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,080 but it was a case of Tosh and his contacts. 420 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,456 Tommy Smith was struggling with a lot of injuries. 421 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,136 Whereas there was nothing wrong with Cally. 422 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,856 He's just, Cally was like Gandalf. 423 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,776 He can play now I think. 424 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,136 He was going on and on and on, 425 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,296 but he just wasn't getting in the team 426 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,360 and slowed down a bit. 427 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,336 Smith was quite volatile on the field and off it, I think, 428 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:50,360 and it's fair to say, and Callaghan, quiet, modest, 429 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,736 but a fine player. 430 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,976 One of the finest passers 431 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,296 of the ball I've ever seen, I think. 432 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,120 Watching Tommy and Ian Callaghan 433 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,976 on "Match of the Day" as a kid, 434 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,016 and then all of a sudden they're sat next to you 435 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:02,857 in the changing room. 436 00:22:02,881 --> 00:22:04,840 It was a surreal moment really. 437 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,376 With Cally and Smith, it reinforced 438 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,656 what Tosh was telling us. 439 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,816 When you actually see the guys of that level, 440 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,336 who'd won the European Cup and played at that level, 441 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,136 doing what Tosh was asking, 442 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,896 showing you what Tosh was asking, 443 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:18,737 talking to you about it, 444 00:22:18,761 --> 00:22:22,016 it just resonated with you and it just stayed with you. 445 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,696 Fantastic habits, really were fantastic habit builders, 446 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,720 all of them. 447 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,136 I suppose Swansea was seen as the new Vegas. 448 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,016 People come and get you and take you down 449 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,656 to the starry lights of South Wales. 450 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,936 And the fact that they were doing it made it interesting. 451 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,696 The unfortunate thing is it's not like now. 452 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,656 We never saw any footage of it. 453 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,640 So there was just newspaper reports of what was going on. 454 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,376 We noticed that it give, 455 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,816 particularly Charlo, Curt, Robbie, these younger ones, 456 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,336 a bit of a lift to be with Tommy Smith and Cally. 457 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:04,496 We became really the talk of football, 458 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,377 at that level, 459 00:23:05,401 --> 00:23:07,376 and even a little bit higher as well. 460 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520 All of a sudden, the "Match of the Day" cameras were there. 461 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,816 People were taking a lot of notice. 462 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,720 Publicity wise, we were involved a lot. 463 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,640 The flood of national papers that came looking for stories 464 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,536 was quite incredible. 465 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,960 They all had their own men down at Swansea chasing stories. 466 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,416 And this was because of Tosh. 467 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,176 I think that the opposition were almost in awe, 468 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,736 when we were going out onto the pitch. 469 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,416 And he was like, especially over the tannoy, 470 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,616 then they announced the teams 471 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,736 and you could see them like nudging each other 472 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,400 and pointing at "There's Tommy Smith, there's Cally." 473 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,616 It wasn't that much different from playing at Liverpool, 474 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,016 because Tosh obviously played under Bob Paisley, 475 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,800 an absolutely fantastic manager. 476 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,536 Some of the tactics and the training 477 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,416 and what we'd done at Liverpool, 478 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,936 but then he had his own ideas. 479 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,696 And as I say, it turned out to be, for me, 480 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,816 a fantastic time at Swansea. 481 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600 (crowd chanting) 482 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,696 I think the things with all those games 483 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,776 was just the amount of support that we had. 484 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,496 So even though it was Third Division, 485 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,080 there were still big games. 486 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,616 They put maybe put a little bit of extra pressure on. 487 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,616 But, I mean, at that particular time, 488 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,936 I didn't know what 489 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,880 I didn't know what pressure was. 490 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,376 We were always told at Liverpool with Shanks and Bob, 491 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,776 "Pressure, pressure?" 492 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,176 That's when you've no work to go to, son, 493 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,656 and you have to stand in a queue 494 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,136 and wait to be paid money weekly. 495 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,696 "Pressure, the best days of your life." 496 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,576 And they certainly were. 497 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,600 (crowd chattering) (lively music) 498 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:05,176 [Interviewer] What sort of season 499 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,017 has it been for you, John? 500 00:25:06,041 --> 00:25:08,056 I mean, you've transformed Swansea City, haven't you? 501 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,216 The players you've brought. 502 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,376 You've got the crowds back here. 503 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,217 You must be delighted, 504 00:25:11,241 --> 00:25:13,336 whatever the outcome of the actual season's results. 505 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:14,696 Well, the main thing is 506 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,456 that we're filling the ground every week 507 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,776 and we're getting young players interested 508 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,056 in coming to the club. 509 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,296 And for me, that's the most significant thing 510 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,816 that's happened over the last 12 months. 511 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,936 People coming in here, filling the ground 512 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,896 and youngsters wanting to be part of Swansea City 513 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,616 because it's a club that we're trying to build here, 514 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640 not just a team. 515 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,296 [Interviewer] When you look at the top 516 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,217 of the Third Division, 517 00:25:36,241 --> 00:25:38,856 any one of the five sides could go up. 518 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,056 How do you see it finishing? 519 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,336 What's going to be the decisive factor? 520 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:43,896 Well, we've got two games left, 521 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,976 and if we win them both we'll finish as champions. 522 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,136 That I do know. 523 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,376 But further than that, your guess is as good as mine. 524 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,616 We go into the Chesterfield game 525 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,496 knowing that more or less, if we win the game, 526 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,216 then we're going to get promoted to the Second Division. 527 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,056 I think it was just written in the stars. 528 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,296 (lively music continues) 529 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,976 25,000 crowd. 530 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,376 The biggest crowd we'd had for, I don't know how many years. 531 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,720 2,000 when I first come here, 25,000 now cheering us on. 532 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,417 We knew it was going to be hard, 533 00:26:17,441 --> 00:26:19,120 but Chesterfield, for some reason, 534 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,016 was going to upset the party. 535 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,040 (lively music continues) (crowd cheering) 536 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,136 We didn't have 46 games to win promotion, 537 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,816 we had 8 minutes. 538 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,976 The crowd were getting a little bit frustrated, 539 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,136 but all of a sudden, there was a bit of a roar. 540 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,880 And I looked round, Tosh was getting his tracksuit off. 541 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,496 There was only one sub in those days. 542 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,096 And I worked out 543 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,680 that possibly the best place for me was substitute. 544 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,417 Tosh came on. 545 00:26:58,441 --> 00:27:01,296 A few minutes after, we got a free kick 546 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,800 on the edge of the box, which is about here. 547 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,920 He came up from the center half-position. 548 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,000 "Wait till I get on the edge of the box." 549 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,960 When it left my left foot, I thought, "that's it." 550 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,416 As the ball was coming over, 551 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,816 I could hear John Charles' words ringing in my ears, 552 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,000 "Put them back where they come from, son." 553 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,816 The goalkeeper's following the flight of the ball that way. 554 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,016 And it makes it all the more difficult for him. 555 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,296 If you head it down there, it's easy for him, 556 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,456 but if you head it back where they come from, son, 557 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,976 "it's all the more difficult for him to change direction." 558 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,176 And I mean 559 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,896 I seem to be up there for about 20 minutes 560 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,896 when I watch it on the television. 561 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,560 And the ball just seemed to go. 562 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,760 (crowd chattering) 563 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,440 (crowd cheering) (upbeat music) 564 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,016 John Toshack, you came on again and you did it again. 565 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,857 That's right, yes. 566 00:28:04,881 --> 00:28:06,256 A few people sweating, 567 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,736 but I don't know what all the fuss was about really. 568 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,856 [Interviewer] Did you really though 569 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,376 expect to go up in your first season? 570 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,416 Well, let me put it you this way. 571 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,336 We really intended to have a bloody good go. 572 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,096 That was a demolition of this ground 573 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,056 because the roof's came off every stand, 574 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,696 and people from all over Swansea, all over Wales, 575 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,856 were congratulating us at the end for, well, 576 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,200 2/3 of Tosh's dream really. 577 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,976 Tonight belongs to everybody connected with Swansea City. 578 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,776 I'm pleased for them because without being big-headed, 579 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,096 this is something that people like Tommy and myself 580 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,696 have come to expect every year. 581 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,816 But there's a lot of people who worked very hard for this. 582 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,856 Three or four year ago, 583 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,096 the club was down on its knees seeking re-election. 584 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,656 And I'm pleased that the people who stuck it out with 'em 585 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,216 and they've got their rewards tonight. 586 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,000 (crowd cheering) 587 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,456 I mean, everybody just relished the occasion. 588 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,377 It was such. 589 00:28:58,401 --> 00:29:00,856 The fact that we'd been in the doldrums 590 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,336 for quite a number of years, 591 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,776 then all of a sudden Tosh has come in 592 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,016 and we're back in the old Second Division. 593 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,936 As I say, for a lot of people, 594 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,136 they would've been happy with that. 595 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,536 And I think people assumed that, right okay, 596 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,256 we weren't big enough, good enough 597 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,576 to get into the old First Division, but see, 598 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Tosh had other ideas. 599 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,456 The main story after that was, 600 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,256 was Alan Curtis finally going to go 601 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,056 at the end of his year's contract, 602 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,880 which he'd signed the previous year. 603 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,656 And on the Monday morning, 604 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,216 the big man himself walks into the office, 605 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,336 taps me on the shoulder. And he said, "Alan's gone." 606 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,616 (soft music) 607 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,736 I said, "Right." 608 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,760 He's gone to Leeds, £350,000 club record, 609 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,240 panic in the office because we had no hint of it there. 610 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,776 But suddenly the back page story 611 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,240 became the front page story. 612 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,376 Leeds at the time, you know, they were, I guess, 613 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,120 they were probably the top two or three in the league. 614 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,656 It's like signing for one of the top four at the moment. 615 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,616 And it was one of those, even the players were saying to me, 616 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,936 some of the staff saying to me, 617 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,840 "It's an opportunity that you can't turn down." 618 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,336 Tosh then had to go into his first season 619 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800 in the Second Division without the talisman really. 620 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680 To lose Curt was a 621 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,936 a bit of a blow, 622 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,896 to say the least. 623 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,336 But then again, I mean that's football, you know 624 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,136 particularly when I look at it now. 625 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,856 If we're working with younger players 626 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,096 and the top clubs come and take them, it's a job well done. 627 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,296 Unfortunately, it's something 628 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,656 that's never, never, never changed over the years. 629 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,160 (soft music) 630 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,976 [Narrator] Seven years ago, Swansea City 631 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,856 were a tatty Fourth Division club facing bankruptcy. 632 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,096 The tatty image of the ground remains. 633 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,936 But today the club unveiled ambitious plans, 634 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,416 a facelift for the Vetch 635 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,256 to match the amazing progress made by manager, John Toshack. 636 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,896 I've always believed that it's not just enough 637 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,936 to build a team. 638 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,376 You've got to build a club, 639 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,296 and building a club means building a stadium, 640 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,176 a stadium that everybody: Management, players, directors, 641 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,376 can be proud of. 642 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,337 And that's what we're trying to do. 643 00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:39,616 And we think that by producing a stadium of this kind, 644 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,856 it'll help to give that sense of pride to everybody, 645 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,400 not least our supporters. 646 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,560 (upbeat music) 647 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,136 In fairness to the board and the chairman, 648 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,296 ever since I've been at the club, 649 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,696 everything that I've wanted I've got 650 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,976 and I don't think a manager can ask for any more than that 651 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 from his chairman or his director. 652 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,736 I remember going over the bridge at Port Talbot there 653 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,336 and looking across and thinking "not sure. 654 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,680 I'm not sure about this." 655 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,456 The Jersey Marine Road driving down, 656 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,936 it was like a bombed area, it was. 657 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,576 My wife actually did say to me, 658 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,720 "Wow, it's not really nice down here, is it?" 659 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,256 I come to Swansea Train Station, 660 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440 and when I come from the train, raining, 661 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,520 cold, 662 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,200 but it's summer? 663 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,136 As soon as you got into the town 664 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,656 and you got to the Vetch, you got to the Vetch 665 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,440 and Tosh he said, "Right." 666 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,736 His wife, as he was married to then, Sue, 667 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,336 who was a Cardiff girl. 668 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,256 She took my wife in the car 669 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,136 and drove her straight down to the Mumbles 670 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,776 and Caswell Bay and Langland Bay, 671 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,360 showing her all these places. 672 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,176 We met him at the Langland Bay Hotel 673 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,800 and we had a chat there, stayed there overnight. 674 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,576 Me and my wife just decided, we woke up in the morning, 675 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,336 a beautiful sunny day, Saturday morning, 676 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,976 looking over Langland Bay, yeah, let's go for this. 677 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,296 My wife come back, knocked the door, 678 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,416 she said, "Have you signed yet? 679 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,656 Have you signed yet?" 680 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,537 I said, "well, we haven't discussed." 681 00:33:43,561 --> 00:33:45,456 "Well, hurry up and sign! 682 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,696 It's fantastic, David. 683 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,600 It's brilliant, we love it down here." 684 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,496 I came to changing room. 685 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320 All players very kind, 686 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,496 like I'm there maybe two or three years. 687 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,136 Everybody friendly. 688 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,600 (upbeat music continues) 689 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,096 This is the amazing thing about Swansea, I think. 690 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,616 I've lived in London for over 20 years. 691 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,176 I have never set eyes on a professional footballer. 692 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,016 I mean, partly the times have changed and obviously, 693 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,416 they're not eating at the same restaurants as me, 694 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,976 but walking around Swansea you would regularly see, 695 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,176 especially Mumbles, you'd see players 696 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,800 just having a walk around. 697 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,416 I played for Fair wood Rangers for a while. 698 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,936 Toshack's youngest son, Craig, was playing. 699 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,416 So Tosh would be on the sides as we played football, 700 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,256 which, you know, obviously was like amazing. 701 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,096 I think that was the thing. 702 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,097 They were huge celebrities. 703 00:35:16,121 --> 00:35:18,496 And yet they were just about within reach 704 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,856 in a way that footballers just aren't these days, you know? 705 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,136 And that if you did sort of see one, 706 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,520 they'd happily talk to you. 707 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,936 There was a sort of humility about the team as well. 708 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,176 (gentle guitar music) 709 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,136 Living in Swansea in those times, especially as a kid, 710 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,376 I was 12, 13 at that time, 711 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,136 the players were just available and that availability, 712 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,136 I think, certainly to younger kids, 713 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,336 but it just felt for everybody, you know. 714 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,256 My dad would say, "Oh, I saw Robbie James 715 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,496 in Swansea on the weekend." 716 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,856 And everyone just seemed to know everybody in that time. 717 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,056 Certainly the bond between the fans, 718 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,536 literally on the North Bank, 719 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,296 and the players were so strong. 720 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,496 And I think Tosh sort of enhanced that as well. 721 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,496 I think he wanted it to be that way. 722 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,576 And they talk about the 12th man being the North Bank 723 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,896 and the Vetch itself. 724 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,576 And that was certainly fostered by the players 725 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,760 in and around the city. 726 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,376 Robbie James, he looked like one of us. 727 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,496 He had a real odd style of running. 728 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,216 He used to run with his thumbs up in front of him like that. 729 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,056 He had this sort of short, 730 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,776 sort of staccato stride to him really. 731 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,776 But then he would have this incredible power, 732 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,376 never seemed to lose a tackle. 733 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,656 He could shoot, he could finish, great in the air. 734 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,736 He had absolutely everything, 735 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,736 but he still encapsulated that kind of, that normality. 736 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,816 He had his moustache, he had his broken nose, 737 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,016 and he just seemed like one of us. 738 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,056 It's hard thing to explain really. 739 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,496 And that meant that we really, really were on his side 740 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,896 with everything that he did. 741 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,816 And what he did was just brilliant really for those years. 742 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,080 He was incredible. 743 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,136 The boys in those days used to come, stay up in a hotel, 744 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,016 which is now a nursing home, 745 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,056 which is right opposite to where I am. 746 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,216 And then in the morning they would walk down 747 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,016 and around the beach and back, back to the hotel. 748 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,456 And on one occasion, fair play, my boys were playing 749 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,256 and I think it was one of their birthdays or what have you, 750 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,416 but they were playing in the front lawn 751 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,496 with some kiddies nets, you know. 752 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,976 The next thing I know everybody was in the goal, 753 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,520 in the nets. 754 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,296 Money can't buy that kind of thing. 755 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,976 And that was a sort of team. 756 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,857 You felt it. 757 00:37:35,881 --> 00:37:37,816 They all wanted to. 758 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,256 They gave so much, they gave so much to the locality 759 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,280 and to the club. 760 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,816 People were very, very excited by the way that the club 761 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,760 was going at the moment at that time. 762 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,320 But it was nice to have little pockets 763 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,456 where you could just, not sneak away, 764 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,096 because you didn't need to sneak around anyway, 765 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,016 but just go and enjoy a quiet few minutes on your own. 766 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,536 And so it was nice. 767 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,176 It was nice at the time. 768 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,880 (lively music) 769 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,616 One of the great occasions in the Bay View 770 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,400 was when Neil Robinson's wife had a baby 771 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,576 and it was decided that we have to wet the baby's head. 772 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,936 It was customary to do that. 773 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,360 Oh, what a night that was. 774 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,576 Of course it was back in the day 775 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,976 where last orders was called at 10:30. 776 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,416 It was early hours of the morning. 777 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,896 The wee small hours, as they say. 778 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,656 There was a bang on the door. 779 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,896 The door was burst open. 780 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,016 And about six or seven policemen rushed in. 781 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,576 "Nobody move, everyone stay there. 782 00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,376 It's the police. 783 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,217 You're drinking after hours. 784 00:39:00,241 --> 00:39:01,736 You're drinking after time." 785 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,136 David Giles was on the mic. 786 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,216 He said, "Ladies and gentlemen, 787 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,080 I'd like to introduce the police." 788 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,936 I mean, it was a friendly raid, you know. 789 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,736 I think all the police were Swans. 790 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,016 They were all Swans fans. 791 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,456 Sergeant was there, "Right, Get everyone's name." 792 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,296 So you could see these young constables looking over you. 793 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,097 "Name?" 794 00:39:24,121 --> 00:39:25,896 Well, they knew it was Leighton James, 795 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,136 Leighton James, 796 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,976 Robbie James, David Giles. 797 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,520 Sarge, this is all the Swans team, this is. 798 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,456 He said, "Well, get their autographs then." (laughs) 799 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,736 And one of the police officers at the time 800 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,840 was in Swansea School Boys with me. 801 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,496 And he actually took my name and address. 802 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,656 He said, "I'm awful sorry." 803 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,896 But yeah, okay. 804 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,737 He said, "Yeah." 805 00:39:49,761 --> 00:39:51,016 He said, "What's your name?" 806 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,496 I said, "Look, you know my name." 807 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,256 I said, "You were in school with me." 808 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,456 I got the blame, funny enough. 809 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,920 I got the blame for that. 810 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,096 I remember getting up the following morning, 811 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,920 and thinking (sighs), I drove straight into the ground. 812 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,576 Walked in, Carol was in the secretary's office. 813 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,696 I said, "Is he in?" 814 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:14,760 She went, "Yeah." 815 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,256 I said, "Does he know?" 816 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,576 "Yeah." 817 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,600 I went, "Right." 818 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,016 Boss, I got to tell you. 819 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,520 After the game last night, 820 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,096 one or two of us got booked for drinking, 821 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,720 "having a drink after time in the Bay View." 822 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,680 And he went, "How many of you?" 823 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,320 And I just looked at him, I went, "28." 824 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,880 He went, "What?" 825 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,176 I said, "Yeah." 826 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,017 I said, "We go everywhere as a team. 827 00:40:51,041 --> 00:40:52,416 You should know that." 828 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,216 He went, "Right, who wasn't there?" 829 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,376 What upset me that day 830 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,440 was that I think two of them weren't there. 831 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,857 Dai Davis weren't there 832 00:41:03,881 --> 00:41:06,096 because his family was down from North Wales. 833 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,016 And one other, I can't remember who it was now. 834 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,336 But everybody else was there. 835 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,256 The following day, I find the two who weren't there 836 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,280 because I felt that a night out with the players 837 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,096 and everybody they should have all been there, 838 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,256 but a couple of them weren't so, yeah, 839 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,616 I wasn't happy with that. 840 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,400 (crowd cheering) 841 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,816 It was all for one, and one for all with Tosh. 842 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,936 I give him all credit to him for that. 843 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,616 He'd been taught well by the likes of Mr. Shankly 844 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,376 and Mr. Paisley at Liverpool. 845 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,456 And you got to remember, John was quite an intelligent man. 846 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,216 He wouldn't be listening to Shanks 847 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:54,656 and listening to Mr. Paisley and sort of dismissing it. 848 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,056 He would be taking in all the good knowledge 849 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,336 that he'd got off them. 850 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,840 (soft music) 851 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,416 A lot of us have gone into management, 852 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,760 ex-Liverpool players. 853 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,456 And I say this with all due respect, 854 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,160 they've all had Shanks to fall back on if you like. 855 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,016 But although I say it myself, 856 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,296 I think I just felt 857 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,496 that he had 858 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,520 a little bit of a special feel for me, you know. 859 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,496 You just didn't feel like letting Shankly down. 860 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,216 If you were training, 861 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,360 if you were on the football pitch training, 862 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,216 he had a habit if he was about 40, 50 yards away from you 863 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,056 and he wasn't happy with you about something, 864 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,776 Saturday's game or what it was, 865 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,576 he had a habit if he had Bob next to him or something, 866 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,296 he'd go like that. 867 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,137 He'd do that. 868 00:42:50,161 --> 00:42:51,776 He wasn't saying anything to Bob. 869 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,096 He'd point at you like that as if he was. 870 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,040 And you'd, ooh, you'd look the other way. 871 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,080 You certainly didn't want to get on his bad side. 872 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,360 (upbeat music) 873 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,360 He was really keen on us all being together 874 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,256 at all times now, as much as we can. 875 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,376 Because obviously if you fit together, 876 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,536 if we're all in here now or whatever, 877 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,376 and then when you go on the field to play, 878 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,680 you'll be together again. 879 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,176 I think he put a sign on the wall that said 880 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,096 that "in the event of us getting promotion, 881 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,776 there will be a group of players and staff 882 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,856 going to to Magaluf, Majorca, on a week's holiday." 883 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,360 And all the boys just looked around at each other. 884 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,856 They love the idea of going to Majorca for 10 days 885 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,976 and all being together, and having a good sing-song 886 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,600 and a few beers, warm weather and all sorts. 887 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,776 "We'll never get to Magaluf playing like that boys." 888 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,280 I'll tell you that now. 889 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,536 And their heads would go down. 890 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,936 And during the game then, say you're playing, 891 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,496 you're the goalie now, you're the full-back, 892 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,696 he'll say, "Don't make any mistakes 893 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,496 or you won't be going to Magaluf." 894 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,200 That's what he said. 895 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,456 We had a good win. 896 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,576 We played well. 897 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,120 "Hey, Majorca here we come." 898 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,576 Well, I always used to say, 899 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,856 that's the secret of his success. 900 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,056 It was great for team spirit. 901 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,656 Bonding, I think, they call it now. 902 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,296 Team spirit. 903 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,320 It was great in those days for these lads to get on the bus, 904 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,976 outside the Vetch and go to Rhoose Airport, in Cardiff, 905 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,256 and wait in a queue and get on a flight to Majorca. 906 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,256 In a proper prim and proper way, they really, as I say, 907 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,656 really looked forward to it. 908 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,840 (soft country music) 909 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,816 I think sometimes you need to go away 910 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,896 to appreciate almost what you've got. 911 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,096 Unfortunately, during my time out injured, 912 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,976 Jimmy Adams on was the manager of Leeds, who signed me. 913 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,440 Alan Clark then had sort of taken over the reins from him, 914 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,520 and he just wanted a little bit of a clear out. 915 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:55,256 He called me into his office and said, 916 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,296 "Look, we've had an offer and we've accepted the offer. 917 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,456 But obviously it's your decision." 918 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,176 So when I asked who the club was 919 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,776 and they said it was Swansea, 920 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,720 then I sort of punched the air. 921 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,096 I remember saying to him when he left, I said, 922 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,616 "I'm going to put half of that in the drawer in my office 923 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,056 and in 18 months - 2 years, 924 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,496 I'm going to go up to Leeds with that, 925 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,896 and they're going to let you come back." 926 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,536 He was like, "Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah." 927 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,136 And he laughed, and this, that, and the other, 928 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,536 but as it turned out, two seasons later, 929 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,120 we paid half of what we had sold him for, 930 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:38,720 and he came back. 931 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,896 It was an no-brainer for me to come back home 932 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,480 and also to play for the Swans. 933 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,296 We feel that we know him better than anyone else. 934 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,960 And eventually we'll get more from him than anyone else. 935 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,536 That was like a shot in the arm to everybody. 936 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,816 That was probably the point during the season 937 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,056 when I realised, hang on, this could be serious boys. 938 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,736 We got a chance here. 939 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,520 (crowd cheering) 940 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,376 Well, you and your side have shown that Swansea 941 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,336 are capable of getting to the top, 942 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,016 but now can you stay there until the end of the season? 943 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,256 Well, I don't think we've been out the top six all season 944 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,656 and we've had a good run in December, 945 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,296 which has pushed us up Second, as you say. 946 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,576 And that's something I think 947 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,776 that only time will tell really. 948 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,176 I think Tosh was always one of those 949 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,696 that didn't matter how you start the season. 950 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,896 Obviously, you've got to have a good middle bit, 951 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,536 but it's how you finish the season. 952 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,480 And I think that was always his mantra. 953 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,536 Preston was the last game of the season, obviously, 954 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,976 but the Saturday before we'd played Chelsea at home 955 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,936 and we had another one of them stellar games 956 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,816 where we just battered Chelsea. 957 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,856 We absolutely murdered them. 958 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,216 It was 3-0. 959 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,256 It could have been 5 or 6. 960 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,416 We were that good. 961 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000 (lively music) 962 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,176 And on the Monday night we had Luton at home 963 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,456 in a rearranged game, which was widely remembered 964 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,576 as probably the best game of football 965 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,080 seen at the Vetch that season. 966 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,896 That's as good a game as I've seen at any level, 967 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,920 anywhere in the world, magnificent match. 968 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,976 We knew now the ball was in our court. 969 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,456 So we were obviously quite confident. 970 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,176 Going up to Preston. 971 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,376 And there was an air of calm about the place. 972 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,736 There was a little bit of fear, I think, if anything. 973 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,656 Ironically, Preston had to win to stay up. 974 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,360 We're having to go up to Preston in Lancashire 975 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,240 to win a match. 976 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,616 A draw would have been no good for us. 977 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,096 We have to win the game to go into the First Division 978 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,136 for the first time in the club's history. 979 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,256 It's black and it's white. 980 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,936 There's no grey areas, boys. 981 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,776 You win, you're up. 982 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,176 You don't win and they do, you're down. 983 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,096 (John whistles) 984 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,136 Everything was there. 985 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,416 I mean, this was no sort of 986 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,736 end of season finale or whatever. 987 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,496 There is so much riding on this game 988 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,256 that you cannot believe it. 989 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,480 (suspenseful music) 990 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,056 I took the players up on the Friday 991 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,536 to the Holiday Inn in Liverpool, 992 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,536 and Shanks came over. 993 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,576 "They look all right, son. 994 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,336 "You're going to be all right," he said. 995 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,176 And all the players were a little bit. 996 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,976 As they walked down to go into the dining room, 997 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,256 he looked at them all. 998 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,456 "Right, all right, son, you'll be all right, son, tomorrow. 999 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,536 You'll be all right. 1000 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,216 They're ready." 1001 00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,816 And I thought, "Yeah." 1002 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,240 And this is against Preston. 1003 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,480 Shankly, Tom Finney, the old great Preston side, you know. 1004 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,296 I thought, imagine us going to Preston, 1005 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,936 Shanks sitting there in the director's box 1006 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,856 at Deepdale where he was revered, 1007 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,816 and wanting Swansea City, a little Welsh team, 1008 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,880 to win the game. 1009 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,920 So he came and he gave the lads a talking to, 1010 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,336 and they were all, as you can imagine, 1011 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,576 they were all like that with their eyes. 1012 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,457 I just felt that we can't. 1013 00:50:36,481 --> 00:50:38,336 We're not going to lose this game. 1014 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,776 [Reporter] On the motorways, heading north 1015 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,096 was an armada of cars 1016 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,176 trailing the club's black and white colours. 1017 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,776 Native northern accents were buried 1018 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,416 by the sound of South Wales as 10,000 made the journey, 1019 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,056 outnumbering Preston's fans 1020 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,560 and the club's second biggest crowd of the season. 1021 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,936 Supposed to be 10,000 people there. 1022 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,976 I'm sure I spoke to about 20, 30,000 people 1023 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,400 who reckoned they were at the game. 1024 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,776 I've never seen anything like it. 1025 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,576 Just about every car, every bus, every mini bus 1026 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,120 had a flag, had a banner. 1027 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,480 Shankly come into changing room. 1028 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,960 I watched Liverpool and Shankly, 1029 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,496 and he start to talk 1030 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,800 maybe four, five minute, like motivation. 1031 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,456 And after two, three minute, 1032 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,176 I say, "Which language this man talking?" 1033 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,856 Because I happy because people no understand me, 1034 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,136 but I now happy, I no understand him 1035 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,160 because it's fast Scottish, but motivation how he's talks. 1036 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,080 We all waiting to go out to win game. 1037 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,856 Bill Shankly was talking about the supporters, 1038 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,336 and how much it means to them. 1039 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,016 It would change our lives. 1040 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,280 But the fact that so many had turned up there 1041 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,416 and that we'd never been there before, and it was real, 1042 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,680 and the people back home. 1043 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,976 He just stressed the point of "don't let them down." 1044 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,296 He came up to you and he just shook your hand, 1045 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,656 and he said, "Are you ready, son? 1046 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,497 Are you ready?" 1047 00:52:24,521 --> 00:52:25,856 And he looked you right in the eye 1048 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,016 like I'm doing to you now. 1049 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,456 And you had to look at him and he said, "He's ready Tosh." 1050 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,736 And he'd go around every one of us. 1051 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,537 "Are you ready, son?" 1052 00:52:34,561 --> 00:52:36,496 And he said, "They're all ready Tosh. 1053 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,696 You're going to win. 1054 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,840 Don't worry about it." 1055 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,896 When Shankly was shaking your hand you think 1056 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,456 I'm playing now don't break my hand. 1057 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,400 (crowd chattering) 1058 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,536 So many things happened in that. 1059 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,240 So many things happened in that 90 minutes. 1060 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,936 The first 10 or 15 minutes of the game 1061 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,816 were actually far more nervous than the week before it. 1062 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,016 It was almost as if, well, you show us what you've got 1063 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,496 and we'll show you what we've got. 1064 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,736 And neither team was really on top. 1065 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,496 And I remember, Robbie knocked a long ball out to me. 1066 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,656 As the ball came, 1067 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,816 all my concentration went into controlling it first time. 1068 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,776 And it came down and 1069 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,520 virtually stuck to my foot. 1070 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,377 [Announcer] Leighton James. 1071 00:53:35,401 --> 00:53:38,120 And as I looked up, I thought, "right, I've got you." 1072 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,896 (crowd chattering) 1073 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,176 [Announcer] Leighton James. 1074 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,200 It's there. 1075 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,176 - Yeah. - [Interviewer] Fantastic. 1076 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,616 Make it sound easy, don't you? (Interviewer laughs) 1077 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,280 (lively music) 1078 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,376 We were 2 up at half time and, again, 1079 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,896 sort of, we had good control of the game. 1080 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,160 Then they pulled one back 1081 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,496 and then they put all sorts of pressure. 1082 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,680 They piled the pressure on the second half. 1083 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,056 I remember their big centre-half, Baxter, 1084 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,776 he had a header from a corner, and to this day 1085 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,456 I'm sure there was a little hole in the net. 1086 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,336 I thought it had gone through and out the other side. 1087 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,056 I thought the ball had gone through the net. 1088 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,136 He hit it and 1089 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,136 the next thing I saw, it was up in the back of the stand. 1090 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,600 And I thought, "Thank God for that." 1091 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,736 Well, I felt we had the surge of Swansea City fans 1092 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,136 pushing us forwards and blocking the goals and that 1093 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,680 as if we are going to win. 1094 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,616 And we're hanging on and hanging on and hanging on, 1095 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,656 then we broke away. 1096 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,576 I just tried to run it into the corner. 1097 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,016 Then all of a sudden it opened up. 1098 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,056 Robbie was inside, I played it into Robbie. 1099 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,216 I thought there was no safer pass, 1100 00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,296 Robbie was going to keep it. 1101 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,616 Robbie, God bless him, miscontrolled it, 1102 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,936 and again, again. 1103 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,496 Robbie miscontrolled it just a touch, 1104 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,040 just knocked it in my path. 1105 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,777 I had one touch, 1106 00:55:06,801 --> 00:55:07,976 and I think somebody in the background shouted. 1107 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,496 "Jeremy just smash it into the stands, 1108 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,696 save a little bit of time." 1109 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,040 So I tried to, but unfortunately hit the top corner, so. 1110 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,536 He hit it and that was it. 1111 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,216 (crowd cheering) 1112 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,296 [Announcer] Charles. 1113 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,736 (crowd cheering) 1114 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,840 (soft music) 1115 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:31,776 Those two minutes, 1116 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,736 they almost seemed like a little bit of a dream 1117 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,416 because they weren't going to come back from that. 1118 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,936 They were deflated. 1119 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,976 And, well, just the realisation that after all this time, 1120 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,096 the club had gone into the First Division. 1121 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,200 The Swans were in the First Division. 1122 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,736 I mean, I've been very, very fortunate, I tell you. 1123 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,600 Big clubs, Liverpool, Real Madrid, 1124 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,736 but (sighs) 1125 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,520 That day at Preston, 1126 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,016 takes some beating. 1127 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,976 I feel myself shivering now. 1128 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,840 (uplifting music) 1129 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:28,696 This is the greatest day of my life. 1130 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,616 I thought possibly that when I left Liverpool, 1131 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,416 I may have left days like this behind, 1132 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,320 but I've never known anything quite like this. 1133 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,920 The realisation 1134 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,976 boys, we've done it. 1135 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,040 First time this club's ever been in the top flight. 1136 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,080 That's down to us. 1137 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,456 He's done a remarkable, managing job. 1138 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,216 I would say possibly he's manager of the century. 1139 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:02,656 I mean, what he's achieved in Swansea 1140 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:03,880 in a short space of time 1141 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,736 he hasn't forgotten what he learnt. 1142 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,536 He prepared and adjusted 1143 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,696 and it's a great credit to Swansea and to John. 1144 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,600 (people chattering) 1145 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:15,976 I'm today very happy, 1146 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,776 and Swansea supporters, Swansea players, 1147 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,976 are very good for me, understand, for my family. 1148 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,240 Manager Toshack, my best friend. 1149 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,600 (crowd cheering) 1150 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,760 (crowd chanting) 1151 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,576 That day, the post sold out 1152 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,096 for the only time in its history. 1153 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,616 In fact, the size of the type it was actually bigger 1154 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,456 than when the post announced 1155 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,816 the end of the Second World War. 1156 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,440 (lively music) 1157 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,400 (crowd cheering) 1158 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,200 (players and people chattering) 1159 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,160 (crowd applauding) 1160 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,120 (horns honking) 1161 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,520 (people chanting) 1162 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,040 Rehearsals have gone well today for next season 1163 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,776 because I can assure you that this is only the start. 1164 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,920 (people cheering) 1165 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,216 It didn't surprise me at all what he's done John Toshack. 1166 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,536 What he has done at Swansea 1167 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,696 is the most remarkable thing 1168 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,016 that's been in the game since the war. 1169 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,576 That he took Swansea from the Fourth Division 1170 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,800 into the First Division in such a short space of time. 1171 00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,416 The most remarkable thing under the sun. 1172 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,257 Yeah. 1173 01:00:00,281 --> 01:00:02,160 And I think he's going to be the top manager. 1174 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,520 (soft music) 1175 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,520 (players chattering) 1176 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,416 We're not going into this division to make the numbers up. 1177 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,856 If you try to come and you push yourselves 1178 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,136 and push yourselves thinking you're going to come 4th, 1179 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,456 you come 8th and you've done well. 1180 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,480 But if you start talking about just staying up 18th, 1181 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,016 you finish 21st. 1182 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,056 That's what I learnt. 1183 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,320 (soft music continues) 1184 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,056 Nervously expectant, 1185 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,736 I think would be the best way to describe it. 1186 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:23,976 "But we've got to play Liverpool, 1187 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,696 got to be Man United, got to play Arsenal, Tottenham." 1188 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,320 "Yeah, and?" 1189 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,337 The town was bouncing. 1190 01:01:32,361 --> 01:01:33,416 Wherever you went, I mean, 1191 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,016 everybody was talking about the Swans. 1192 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,776 They're talking about the season, 1193 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,416 how they were looking forward to the coming season, 1194 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,376 how the fact that the club had never in the history, 1195 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,856 we'd ever played to the top flight. 1196 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:44,697 You know it was something 1197 01:01:44,721 --> 01:01:47,896 that the city had waited for a long time. 1198 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,936 And then, of course, the fixtures came out. 1199 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,896 First game of the season, home to Leeds United. 1200 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,336 And you're thinking, well, in that era, 1201 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,456 there weren't many bigger games in football 1202 01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,656 than Leeds United. 1203 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,336 (crowd cheering) 1204 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,480 Sometimes in life, and in football, 1205 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,976 you get a feeling that something is really going to happen. 1206 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,656 I mean, call it fantasy land, I know, 1207 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,376 but you just felt that they were going to win. 1208 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,080 (lively music) 1209 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,736 I think people say that, "ah, you know", 1210 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,480 "you got nothing to prove" and stuff like that, but you do. 1211 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,136 I think Trevor Cherry was the defender. 1212 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:36,937 And he picked the ball up 1213 01:02:36,961 --> 01:02:38,736 and I was just running at him basically. 1214 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,296 For the more he backed off, the more he backed off, 1215 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,480 then you just drop your shoulder, and it sounds easy enough. 1216 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:56,617 5-1. 1217 01:02:56,641 --> 01:03:00,056 I mean, what? How does this happen? 1218 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,736 You couldn't write a script better, could you? 1219 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,456 You couldn't if you tried to. 1220 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,816 Swansea 5 Leeds United 1. 1221 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,616 It was a super, super day all round. 1222 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,776 You know, 5-1. 1223 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,016 The momentum we got from that 1224 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,976 carried us on for the rest of the season. 1225 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,080 (lively music continues) 1226 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,000 (soft music) 1227 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,416 Obviously, it hit me pretty hard 1228 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,216 as it did all ex-Liverpool players, 1229 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,776 all Liverpool people generally. 1230 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,616 The city of Liverpool was stunned. 1231 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,520 (gentle music) 1232 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,400 I mean, it happened. 1233 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,056 I don't like to say ironically, 1234 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:49,056 but by a strange piece of fate, if you like. 1235 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,880 It happened a week before we were due to go to Liverpool. 1236 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,416 Tosh was terrible. 1237 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,736 Shankly was like his father in football 1238 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,760 and he had, Shankly, was always on the phone to Tosh 1239 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,576 because I knew all the calls that went through obviously. 1240 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,776 Well, but he had a private line, Tosh, 1241 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,536 and Shankly was always on the phone, 1242 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:13,976 and Tosh was always on the phone to him, 1243 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,016 And he was very quiet, yes, yeah. 1244 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,040 There was a lot of tea served that week. 1245 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,176 I was really proud to be asked by his family 1246 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,080 to carry the coffin 1247 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:32,897 at the funeral. 1248 01:05:32,921 --> 01:05:37,920 And as I say, it was a strange, strange time, 1249 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,416 really, really strange time for me. 1250 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,456 As I say, with the Swansea/Liverpool game 1251 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,616 at that particular time, 1252 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,080 and all I can remember being. 1253 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,560 (gentle music continues) 1254 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,776 Liverpool for me was one of the most important things 1255 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,416 that happened in my professional career. 1256 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,056 Probably the most important thing. 1257 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,376 Real Madrid, or whatever, or debut for Cardiff, of course, 1258 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,816 and teams that I played, 1259 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,736 but actually being signed by Shankly for £110,000 1260 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,736 at that particular time, a record, 1261 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,240 moving from Cardiff and going up to Liverpool. 1262 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,016 Three Championships, European Cups, UEFA Cups, 1263 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,160 all down to Shankly really. 1264 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,696 I will always be grateful for Shankly 1265 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,016 because I would never be where I am 1266 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,040 talking to you like this now if it hadn't been for him. 1267 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,920 (upbeat music) 1268 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,760 You can't learn to be a coach. 1269 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,160 I think coach is born. 1270 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,840 And I think he's born to be leader. 1271 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,536 There were great, terrific matches against top sides. 1272 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,616 I mean, the Liverpool game at An field, obviously, 1273 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,096 comes into mind. 1274 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,376 The game at Ipswich, against Bobby Robson's Ipswich, 1275 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,840 we were top top dogs to go there and beat them 3-2. 1276 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,096 We knew that in our day we could beat anybody 1277 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,120 and give anybody a game. 1278 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,720 Liverpool weren't meant to be beat by Swansea. 1279 01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,296 I mean, all of a sudden, Swansea was a big name. 1280 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:21,896 I'm not just talking about football. 1281 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,816 I'm talking about the city itself. 1282 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,760 The whole world was looking at us now. 1283 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,096 It is almost unbelievable really 1284 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,096 that we were top of the league 1285 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,600 and it's almost as if we can't win this league surely. 1286 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,216 We could have easily finished runners up in the league, 1287 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,000 which would've been even more of an outstanding achievement. 1288 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,096 I think it's one of the quickest times ever 1289 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,496 that one team had got from the Fourth to the First. 1290 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,456 And the great thing about it, 1291 01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:58,616 as I mentioned earlier on really, 1292 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,336 we had five or six local lads in the side 1293 01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,376 that went right through 1294 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,160 and that was the sort of the bond of the team. 1295 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,976 And to be there and go up to the First Division 1296 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,800 with those guys was absolutely fantastic. 1297 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,496 I would say that everybody, certainly myself included, 1298 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,280 would say that when you look back at your career, 1299 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,496 those four years, five years or whatever it was, 1300 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,656 that's probably the most happiest 1301 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,296 and the most successful time of our careers. 1302 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,360 And I don't think any one of us would swap it for anything. 1303 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,096 My Swansea days I regard 1304 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,320 as the happiest days of my football career. 1305 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,320 And I really do mean that. 1306 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,296 It was a journey full of emotion, obviously. 1307 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,360 Just an amazing, an amazing ride. 1308 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,217 I wouldn't say 'pinch myself'. 1309 01:10:00,241 --> 01:10:01,736 I just went along for the ride. 1310 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,176 I mean, it was a great ride from when Toshack came 1311 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,520 right until the very end. 1312 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,640 You just had to go along with it really. 1313 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,736 You know, (phone rings) at the same time 1314 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,440 I felt that we should really have scored more goals. 1315 01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,656 Can you just hold on a sec. (Men laugh) 1316 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,680 Hello? 1317 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,496 You got the wrong number, love, sorry. 1318 01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,976 Listen, don't phone through again on this number, will you? 1319 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,200 Phone An field. 1320 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,137 ♪ Swansea ♪ 1321 01:11:12,161 --> 01:11:13,536 ♪ Oh Swansea ♪ 1322 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,416 ♪ Oh city said I ♪ 1323 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:18,576 The old North Bank I can can see it now, 1324 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,896 I used to walk out and all over there, 1325 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,800 down the Vetch, it was a that. 1326 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,496 If you sit in the dugout, I could turn around 1327 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,816 and say to the chairman, "Oi, will you be quiet, please?" 1328 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,216 You know, I mean, they were that close to us. 1329 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,176 They could bang their hand on the top of our thing there. 1330 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,080 You see the stadiums now and the places where people play. 1331 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,496 The old Vetch Field and old Dolly, God bless her, 1332 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,160 the cleaning lady, you know, who lived just right next door. 1333 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,376 She'd come in, in the morning, 1334 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,536 she'd be there cleaning the restroom. 1335 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,576 "What are you moaning about now this morning again?" 1336 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,417 She'd be on there. 1337 01:11:56,441 --> 01:11:58,360 But I mean these people were, 1338 01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:01,056 for me at that particular time, 1339 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,736 what football is all about, you know? 1340 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,816 They'd say, "Ah you've done well, John." 1341 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,456 You've been lucky", you know. 1342 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:11,376 Real Madrid and there's his Wydad, 1343 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,016 and winning the championship there 1344 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,216 and going all over Africa. 1345 01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:15,736 And I'd say, "Yeah, yeah, that's right." 1346 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,016 I said, "But don't forget Dolly 1347 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,256 (laughs) 1348 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,656 Down at the old Vetch Field." 1349 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,776 I mean, that is where it all started. 1350 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,280 (soft music) 97706

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