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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,463 --> 00:00:08,633     Now, if you tell the history               of slavery right,          2 00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:10,719         you got a big problem                   on your hands.            3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,556     The slave trader didn't take          some savage out of Africa.      4 00:00:14,597 --> 00:00:16,891        He took a human being.        5 00:00:16,933 --> 00:00:18,059           Now, if you want                      to look history           6 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:20,061      right straight in the eye,      7 00:00:20,103 --> 00:00:22,230          you're going to get                     a black eye.             8 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:25,066        [Kamau]   Wait a minute.                  Is this Bill Cosby?         9 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:26,568     Most Hollywood films, though,    10 00:00:26,609 --> 00:00:29,112          even the early ones                 weren't really nasty.        11 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,697          Nobody was sitting                     around saying,            12 00:00:30,739 --> 00:00:32,741         "Hey, let's take care                  of the niggers."           13 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:35,577      [Kamau]   Uh, did Bill Cosby               just drop the N-bomb?        14 00:00:35,618 --> 00:00:37,120         Are we talking about                 the same Bill Cosby?         15 00:00:37,162 --> 00:00:39,080         Bill Cosby's the only                Black man in America         16 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:40,623      who could do that and more            or less get away with it.      17 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:42,083          Napoleon once said,         18 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:43,626          "History is a fable                     agreed upon,             19 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:46,087       and the fable agreed upon                    up to now              20 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:48,715         is that American history                is white on white."         21 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:52,093     [Kamau]   What in the critical             race theory is going on?      22 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:54,971       ethereal percussive music     23 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:59,934                                    24 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:44,979        No, Cosby was very much                    a race man.             25 00:01:45,021 --> 00:01:46,356          He made that clear.         26 00:01:46,397 --> 00:01:48,775     The thing that's most evident               is his hosting            27 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:51,152          of the 1968 special         28 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,780            Black History:                  Lost, Stolen, or Strayed.      29 00:01:53,822 --> 00:01:55,365          It's actually written                    by Andy Rooney.           30 00:01:55,406 --> 00:01:57,951         There was a whole series               of specials that year        31 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:01,329              by CBS called                      Of Black America.          32 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:02,622         [chuckles] It's like,        33 00:02:02,664 --> 00:02:04,415         rather than burn down                 the neighborhoods,          34 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:06,334            let's put some                     Black people on TV.         35 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:07,961     Did you know, in some states,                it used to be            36 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:10,755       against the law to teach             Blacks to read or write?       37 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:12,632            That special is                     really powerful,           38 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,635        and it was not comedic                     in any way.             39 00:02:15,677 --> 00:02:17,846           It was not Cosby.          40 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:21,808        Cosby, he literally was            being militant about stuff      41 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:24,018         that you do not know            that they're not teaching you.    42 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:28,857       Sometimes we did get into          the history books all wrong.     43 00:02:28,898 --> 00:02:30,608          [Renée]   And what's                  interesting about it is,      44 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:32,652              he is quoting                      from history books.         45 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:35,488               He's angry.                         He's disgusted.           46 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,699            As for sambo...           47 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,409                sambo.                48 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:40,994        [Renée]   He goes through                this litany of names.        49 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:42,704       How about the North Pole?      50 00:02:42,745 --> 00:02:46,249       Well, the first man there           was Black--Matthew Henson.      51 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:49,252      All these names that nobody        knows because they were Black.    52 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,587       And the point he's making      53 00:02:50,628 --> 00:02:52,881               is about                   the whitewashing of history.     54 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,717            It talks about                     how our self-image          55 00:02:55,758 --> 00:02:59,637           has been deformed                   because of racism.          56 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:01,014          For the most part,          57 00:03:01,055 --> 00:03:02,765          the Black portraits                    have been drawn           58 00:03:02,807 --> 00:03:04,517           by white writers,                    white producers,           59 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:07,729          and white directors                 for a white audience.        60 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,064          Most Black parts were                the way white Americans       61 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:12,233            wanted them to be.         62 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:15,236        [Wayne]   He was talking                 about how it hurt him,       63 00:03:15,278 --> 00:03:16,571       that he would see these--      64 00:03:16,613 --> 00:03:19,532              and he even                   went after   Amos 'n' Andy,      65 00:03:19,574 --> 00:03:21,409          really came down hard                   on Stepin Fetchit.         66 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:23,536         [Cosby]   The tradition                  of the lazy, stupid,        67 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:26,164            crap-shooting,                   chicken-stealing idiot        68 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,916      was popularized by an actor     69 00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:31,753        named Lincoln Theodore                Monroe Andrew Perry.         70 00:03:31,794 --> 00:03:33,588       Cat made two million dollars    71 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:35,757              in five years                      in the middle '30s,         72 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:38,092               and everyone                  who ever saw a movie laughed    73 00:03:38,134 --> 00:03:40,595          at Stepin Fetchit.          74 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:43,223          Come out, come out,                   wherever you is!           75 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,766         This is a lot of fun,                      isn't it?              76 00:03:44,807 --> 00:03:46,601             To look back                      at that time, like,         77 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:48,895          I could appreciate                 this guy who was like,        78 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:50,438            "Okay, this is                      about knowledge."          79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,607           That's something                  I very much appreciate        80 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:55,485            and appreciate                   about him at that time.       81 00:03:55,526 --> 00:03:57,195          Did you know that?                          Huh?                 82 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:59,030               [Michael]                   That to me is the touchstone,    83 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:01,032        more than any other thing                  that he's done,           84 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:02,909          that   Black History:                 Lost, Stolen, or Strayed      85 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:05,078           is the thing that                I refer back to the most.      86 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:08,623           The burning part                  of "burn, baby, burn,"        87 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:11,417             is right here                     in this classroom.          88 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:13,294        [Kamau] Black History:              Lost, Stolen, or Strayed       89 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:16,965       was yet another Emmy-winning            project for Bill Cosby,       90 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:19,133           but that hard-edged               teacher persona didn't last.    91 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:20,969           Friend Mortimer.           92 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:22,971          [Kamau]   Bill Cosby                   spent the better part        93 00:04:23,012 --> 00:04:25,807      of the next decade perfecting              his specific version        94 00:04:25,848 --> 00:04:27,225             of a TV teacher,          95 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:28,893            a moral authority,         96 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:30,645        and this is the key part,      97 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:33,898              being someone                  that everybody could trust.     98 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:36,818          soft dramatic music        99 00:04:36,859 --> 00:04:40,238                                    100 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,491         [band playing lively                   percussive music]          101 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:45,660     It's   The New Bill Cosby Show.    102 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:47,996              [applause]              103 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:49,998      [Kamau]   But that wasn't all           Bill Cosby did in the '70s.     104 00:04:50,039 --> 00:04:53,876              He also tried                  every other job in showbiz.     105 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:55,461                [both]                             Bill Cosby.             106 00:04:55,503 --> 00:04:57,922             -You married?                            -No.                 107 00:04:57,964 --> 00:05:00,800                [Kamau]                        Between 1969 and 1976,       108 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:03,511              Bill Cosby had                  three different TV series,     109 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:05,638          none of which lasted,        110 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,391             but three series                for a Black man in the '70s?    111 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,310              That's a lot.                       That ain't normal.         112 00:05:10,351 --> 00:05:12,562       Frank, will you come on!       113 00:05:12,603 --> 00:05:13,855                [Kamau]                       He also spent the decade      114 00:05:13,896 --> 00:05:15,064             trying to become                       a movie star,            115 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:17,608       doing nearly a film a year.     116 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:19,736        There's an   I Spy   rip-off,      117 00:05:19,777 --> 00:05:21,321         a dark comedy where he's      118 00:05:21,362 --> 00:05:23,698           an abusive asshole.         119 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:25,450         Stop calling me Jugs.        120 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:26,826              [announcer]                     Bill Cosby is the Devil.      121 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:28,036             Want a light?            122 00:05:28,077 --> 00:05:29,620                [Kamau]                       He even plays the Devil.      123 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:32,790         And eternal damnation                      is yours!              124 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:33,791                [Kamau]                                 Yep.                125 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:35,460           soft Western music        126 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:37,378         Look, now he's a cowboy.      127 00:05:37,420 --> 00:05:38,838        You know how much money       128 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,882       that horse will bring us                just for studdin'?          129 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:41,966           What's studdin'?           130 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:52,060              Of course.                    I got drug by the horse.       131 00:05:52,101 --> 00:05:54,145       When the horse got tired,            they tied me to a truck.       132 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:56,064               [laughs]               133 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,443                 Uh...                134 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,070              not really.             135 00:06:02,111 --> 00:06:04,197              All right!              136 00:06:04,238 --> 00:06:06,032           [Kamau]   The films                 that worked best, though,      137 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:07,367           are a trio of movies        138 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:09,118           with actor/director                     Sidney Poitier--          139 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,703           a highbrow response         140 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:13,039            to the low budget                   Blaxploitation craze.        141 00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:15,333                [Todd]                      The two of them paired off.     142 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:18,086                I mean,                     it's a great combination.      143 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:21,714           Sidney, straight,                     like, corny guy           144 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:24,467    opposite Bill is just classic.    145 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:26,219      Same old same as old head?      146 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:28,346       [Kamau]   While these films            are definitely cult classics    147 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:31,182            with Black folks,                   they weren't big hits.       148 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,351       The amount of gatekeeping                  that went on             149 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:35,603       was epic for Bill Cosby.       150 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,940         You had to pass through                a million gatekeepers,       151 00:06:38,981 --> 00:06:41,359        and they all had to think             that you were not a threat     152 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,069            to the white power                      establishment,           153 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:45,196           that it would not                 reflect badly on them,        154 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:47,448    in fact, that it would reflect                well on them.            155 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,536       It was fucking impossible                  to get shit.             156 00:06:51,577 --> 00:06:55,123          It just--the racism                 was so fucking crazy.        157 00:06:55,164 --> 00:06:56,582      It was just literally like,     158 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:58,960      "You can't have this shit!                   Get away!"              159 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:00,670       But Cosby found a way...       160 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:04,132          Zoop-a-doop-a-doop,               boy, zoop-a-doop-a-doop.       161 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:07,301     Mistook me for some ugly dude        with a beard and a mustache.     162 00:07:07,343 --> 00:07:08,678               [person]                    I can understand how they--     163 00:07:08,719 --> 00:07:10,054               Shut up!               164 00:07:10,096 --> 00:07:13,808        -Now I forgot my line.                     -[laughter]             165 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:15,143      [Kamau]   But the weird thing                  about showbiz            166 00:07:15,184 --> 00:07:17,019      is that you can't control it.    167 00:07:17,061 --> 00:07:20,231        You can't force something                 to be successful.          168 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:22,942       So just think how different           Bill Cosby's life and career    169 00:07:22,984 --> 00:07:26,195           would've been if any                of those had been a hit.      170 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:27,989             ethereal music          171 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:31,534      Like, what if that Devil film            had been a blockbuster?       172 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:34,245        Then Bill Cosby is forever              typecast as the Devil.       173 00:07:34,287 --> 00:07:37,331               Forever!               174 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:40,168     [Kamau]   Does that dude end up                as America's dad          175 00:07:40,209 --> 00:07:43,129            with all the power              and trust that comes with it?    176 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:44,672            I don't think so.          177 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:49,844           Hi! How ya doin'?          178 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:50,928                [Kamau]                    But that's not what happened.    179 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,305           -Glad to see you!                          -Ooh!                180 00:07:52,346 --> 00:07:54,015                [Kamau]                     At the same time Bill Cosby     181 00:07:54,056 --> 00:07:56,100           is on prime time TV                       and movies,             182 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:57,894          he's also moonlighting                   on kids' shows.           183 00:07:57,935 --> 00:07:59,645               [person]                            Hey, you guys!           184 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:02,273         We're gonna turn it on      185 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,567        [Jamilah]   In the 1970s,              you see him really leaning     186 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:08,029    into becoming an authoritative             educational figure.         187 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:09,447        And so the relationship                     with PBS               188 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:10,907     becomes incredibly important     189 00:08:10,948 --> 00:08:12,450          because he talking                    directly to kids.          190 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:13,910           [telephone rings]          191 00:08:13,951 --> 00:08:16,245      Hello, there, this is, uh,      192 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:18,164     Honest John speaking to you.     193 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:20,833      Yes, sir, we have all kinds            of used cars for sale.        194 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:23,002       He thought that the world                 would be better           195 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:24,754         if young people, and               particularly young Black       196 00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:26,339           and brown people,                     were educated.            197 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:27,632                 Okay.                198 00:08:27,673 --> 00:08:30,009       Now, as fast as you can,                  along with me,            199 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:33,179        you say Picture Pages,            Picture Pages, Picture Pages.    200 00:08:33,221 --> 00:08:35,223      No, that's not fast enough.                 Now, come on.            201 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:37,099     Picture Pages, Picture Pages,        Picture Pages, Picture Pages.    202 00:08:37,141 --> 00:08:38,643                Faster!                           [stammering]             203 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:39,852                 Okay.                204 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:41,812       This is why we loved him.      205 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:43,731              Picture Pages,                      Picture Pages            206 00:08:43,773 --> 00:08:45,525               Time to get                      your Picture Pages         207 00:08:45,566 --> 00:08:47,026            [singing along]                  Time to get your crayons     208 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:48,194            And your pencils         209 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:49,487          This was the joint!         210 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:50,738              Picture Pages,                      Picture Pages            211 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:52,740                 Open up                        your Picture Pages         212 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:56,327         Time to watch Bill Cosby          do a Picture Page with you!     213 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:58,371        That's, like, childhood                   right there.             214 00:08:58,412 --> 00:09:01,415           Like, Bill Cosby                     was our teacher,           215 00:09:01,457 --> 00:09:03,751           and he was funny,                    and he was silly.          216 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,294          And for many of us,         217 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:08,172        he was the first Black             educator we had access to.      218 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,675        There you are, and here              I am, Professor Cosby,        219 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:14,011         the world's greatest              living authority on rhymes.     220 00:09:14,053 --> 00:09:17,473      [Marc]   90% of the nation's              teaching force is white.      221 00:09:17,515 --> 00:09:19,767        70% of the urban teaching               force is still white.        222 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:21,519              And back then,                     it was even bigger.         223 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:24,647          So, for many of us,              Bill Cosby on   Picture Pages     224 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,190             was the first                    Black teacher we saw.        225 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:29,277      -So you're seven years old?                     -Yes.                226 00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:30,653           -Are you married?                          -No.                 227 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:32,280                  Oh.                 228 00:09:32,321 --> 00:09:33,864        And he let us know that           something else was possible.     229 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:35,783            I mean, it was                   pretty important stuff.       230 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:37,743                [Cosby]                      There's nobody in here.       231 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:39,078          [Kamau]   It's funny,                   not a lot of people         232 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,122         remember   Picture Pages.       233 00:09:41,163 --> 00:09:43,666        I remember   Picture Pages.      234 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:46,168           It was a segment of              the TV show   Captain Kangaroo.    235 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:47,545             I'd be watching                     Captain Kangaroo           236 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,088        on my grandmother's floor,     237 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,215               and suddenly                   Picture Pages   came on.        238 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,884      And, whoop, I was like, "Oh!"    239 00:09:53,926 --> 00:09:56,637         Listen very carefully              to every word I'm saying.      240 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,390    [Kamau]   He wasn't just talking            to children in general.       241 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:01,309           He's talking to me.         242 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:03,436          He wants me to learn.        243 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:06,647         He wants me to be smart.                 He cares about me.         244 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:09,734          Shorter and longer.         245 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:13,112      My friend, smiling pretty.      246 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:16,324               [Tressie]                   In the moment, it looked like    247 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:20,828      a maturing Black celebrity      248 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:22,747        and sort of social icon       249 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:24,957           was just shaping                      his footprint.            250 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:27,126      You know, part of becoming         a celebrity is every celebrity    251 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:28,836     has to have their pet cause.     252 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,505         And pretty early on,                Bill Cosby had started        253 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:33,382      to double down on the fact                 that education            254 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:35,676         was going to be his.         255 00:10:35,718 --> 00:10:37,345                [Cosby]                       Hi, this is Bill Cosby.       256 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:39,347      I'd like for you to pay close            attention to this album.      257 00:10:39,388 --> 00:10:41,682                [Kamau]                      In 1971, he even released      258 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:44,727          a Grammy Award-winning              children's album entitled      259 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:49,398       Bill Cosby Talks to Kids                   About Drugs.             260 00:11:06,415 --> 00:11:07,708        There's a track called        261 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:09,794          "Uppers and Downers                  and Their Effects,"         262 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:11,045       and it's got groovy music                    under it.              263 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:26,060             slow, distorted                        jazz music             264 00:11:26,102 --> 00:11:28,979            [voice slowing]           265 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,528    And that is way more fucked up    266 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:37,655           to listen to than                the Spanish Fly routine.       267 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,877        [Kamau]   But the project                   from this period          268 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:53,754         he's most remembered for                   began quietly            269 00:11:53,796 --> 00:11:55,965       and under the radar in 1969.    270 00:11:56,006 --> 00:11:59,468            Hey, hey, hey!                      It's Fat Albert!           271 00:12:02,471 --> 00:12:04,098             [Doug laughs]            272 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:08,102       Fat Albert   is like a bag                full of Now or Laters.       273 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:11,188      A bag full of your favorite                Now or Laters,            274 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:13,232        'cause it was just like                  a joy headache.           275 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:14,608               [laughs]               276 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,277                Especially                      for a young Black kid,       277 00:12:16,318 --> 00:12:18,112       it was like a joy headache,                  it was like--            278 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:21,449         They're in the junkyard,               they're playing music.       279 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:24,118             Playin' hooky           280 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,786               Fat Albert.                           [laughs]               281 00:12:25,828 --> 00:12:27,538            It was wonderful.          282 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:30,082           Hey, Fat Albert!                       Hit me a fly!            283 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:33,794        Every kid that I knew,             you know, Saturday morning,     284 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:35,713      you're up, you're watching                    Fat Albert.             285 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:39,759     They would have an adventure,       and they would learn a lesson.    286 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,302         It was always joyful.        287 00:12:41,343 --> 00:12:42,636              [laughing]              288 00:12:42,678 --> 00:12:44,805               [Jamilah]                       Fat Albert is this kid       289 00:12:44,847 --> 00:12:47,141          based on, you know,                  one of his friends          290 00:12:47,183 --> 00:12:49,977          who he grew up with                    in North Philly           291 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,313           while he was living               in the Richard Allen Homes.     292 00:12:52,354 --> 00:12:54,523           This is a funny take                   on what it's like          293 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:57,151        to grow up as a Black kid                  in Philadelphia.          294 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:59,570         Fat Albert   was this,              you know, a neighborhood gang    295 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:03,157      of Black kids hanging out,            doing what the kids today      296 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:05,242               might say                     regular degular stuff.        297 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:08,412           Rudy, you're like               Thanksgiving Day at school.     298 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:10,456           Thanksgiving Day?          299 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:12,583      What's school on Saturday?      300 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:14,251               No class.              301 00:13:14,293 --> 00:13:16,170         Dude, I'm a teacher.         302 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:18,589      I do that with my students                  all the time.            303 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:19,840              [laughter]              304 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,094      [Kamau]   Like Doug E. Doug,             I also remember this show      305 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:25,805          to be a joy headache,        306 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:28,849            filled with songs,                   laughs, fun lessons.        307 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,518        Play it straight, gang.       308 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,770         That way, you'll get                 where you want to go,        309 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:35,105      not where you don't, right?     310 00:13:35,147 --> 00:13:36,524                Right.                311 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:39,026            We didn't have                 any Black animated cartoons     312 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:40,945           unless they were                buffooning and cooning us.      313 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:42,780       The only Black character             we had was the Peanuts--       314 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,448           we had Franklin.           315 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:45,825         He was just a chocolate              version of Charlie Brown.      316 00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:47,576               [laughs]               317 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:49,161     So, when you get   Fat Albert,     318 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:52,039              now you got                  a whole crew of Black folk      319 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:55,876       and not white characters             that were colored darker.      320 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:58,087        He's the funniest dude                in the whole school.         321 00:13:58,128 --> 00:13:59,922           [Marc]   These were                    actual Black people!        322 00:13:59,964 --> 00:14:02,550          Mushmouth--there is no            white person named Mushmouth!    323 00:14:02,591 --> 00:14:04,218          Yeah-be, hey-be, Ruby.       324 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,555       The funniest ball-be player                in-be the worbled.         325 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:10,182           Like, these were                     hood cats on TV.           326 00:14:10,224 --> 00:14:11,934          Bill Cosby gave us                     new characters,           327 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:13,394      new ideas, new identities.      328 00:14:13,435 --> 00:14:16,730          He wrote Black people                   into the cartoons.         329 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:20,401      That's what   Fat Albert   did,          and you learned something.      330 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:23,153      [Kamau]   This is also where              Bill Cosby really began       331 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,990          to perfect his "voice               of moral authority" thing      332 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:28,576             that we all came                     to know and trust.         333 00:14:28,617 --> 00:14:31,829      Take lying. Now, you start              broadcasting lies...         334 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:35,374            [voice echoing]                    Broadcasting lies!          335 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,502        And pretty soon nobody             believes anything you say.      336 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:39,920             That just had                      a strong effect--          337 00:14:39,962 --> 00:14:43,007          you know, this guy              with this Afro who, you know,    338 00:14:43,048 --> 00:14:46,093          looked and sounded                   very familiar to me         339 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,262         teaching this lesson             in this case about, you know,    340 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:52,433       why it's not a good idea                  to tell a lie.            341 00:14:52,474 --> 00:14:55,394         Of course, you know,                   what he was doing          342 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:59,940              off-screen                    versus what he's saying,       343 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:03,277         you know, on-screen,               are two different things.      344 00:15:04,653 --> 00:15:07,114         Hello, and the topic                   is creativity...           345 00:15:07,156 --> 00:15:08,866               [Jelani]                      Bill Cosby, you know, had      346 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:12,244       the very self-possessed,       347 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,622          dignified demeanor          348 00:15:14,663 --> 00:15:16,749        of a person who, to me,       349 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:21,003       appeared to be operating          in the world on his own terms.    350 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:23,255            And I remember                  being impressed by that.       351 00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:25,591        [host] How many of you                have seen   Fat Albert?        352 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:29,803           It is a phenomena                       because...              353 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:33,807       it's a show that preaches      354 00:15:33,849 --> 00:15:36,936        and hopefully teaches.        355 00:15:36,977 --> 00:15:39,104    That's why it is a phenomenon.    356 00:15:39,146 --> 00:15:41,065              -Your name?                      -It's Brad Heberly.         357 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:42,733      -And you watch   Fat Albert.                    -Mm-hmm.               358 00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:44,151                 Why?                 359 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:47,071           I guess I just--                  I like it, it's funny.        360 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:48,822       It's a good comedy for--       361 00:15:48,864 --> 00:15:52,785            But it also is                      a little more...           362 00:15:52,826 --> 00:15:55,621             not grown-up,                  but a little more mature.      363 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:57,581                [Kamau]                      Yeah, one thing kids love      364 00:15:57,623 --> 00:16:00,459               is cartoons                         that are mature.          365 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:03,587       You know, half of the fun            of life is anticipating.       366 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,965      [Kamau]   Without   Fat Albert,            kids like me don't grow up     367 00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:08,425           loving and trusting                       Bill Cosby.             368 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:11,679       We don't turn into teens who           love and trust Bill Cosby      369 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,015         and then adults who love               and trust Bill Cosby.        370 00:16:15,057 --> 00:16:16,433          I just have to imagine       371 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:18,185          that without all that                       wellspring             372 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:19,853         of good feeling for him,      373 00:16:19,895 --> 00:16:22,189           it would've changed                how so many of us reacted      374 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:25,234            when we found out                    what we found out...        375 00:16:25,275 --> 00:16:27,319      because during the same time,    376 00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:30,114        when Bill Cosby was doing             everything he could to get     377 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:32,533            to the next level                       of his career,           378 00:16:32,574 --> 00:16:34,159             there are women                       who have claimed          379 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:37,121        that he sexually assaulted                  or raped them.           380 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:38,956          And these allegations                    seemed to pop up          381 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,041            everywhere he was                     during this time,          382 00:16:41,083 --> 00:16:43,335               from the set                   of   Uptown Saturday Night,      383 00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,629            even from the set                     of   Picture Pages,          384 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:47,798         at the Playboy Mansion,       385 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,384        and while he's on the road             doing comedy in Nevada.       386 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,052           apprehensive music        387 00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:56,849      The Hilton hotel was where          Bill Cosby was the headliner.    388 00:16:56,890 --> 00:17:00,602    And so, one day, I was looking          at the gift shop jewelry       389 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:02,771        with my sister next to me.     390 00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:04,815       I think I was about 18 1/2,     391 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:07,526      and somebody came up to me                and put their arm          392 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:11,613       around my neck and said,               "Will you marry me?"         393 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:14,283          And I turned around                 to see who that was,         394 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,618       and there was Bill Cosby.      395 00:17:16,660 --> 00:17:19,163         And he invited all of us                    to his show,            396 00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:20,956       and then after the show,       397 00:17:20,998 --> 00:17:25,961    somebody came right over to me              and escorted me--          398 00:17:26,003 --> 00:17:29,965        I guess it was called,                 like, a green room.         399 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:34,386       And then everybody was gone,              but it was only me.         400 00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:38,390      And he had two white pills           in his hand, and he said--      401 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,642         and a glass of water,             and he said, "Take these."      402 00:17:42,644 --> 00:17:45,189     And I didn't know what to do.    403 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:47,900         Uh, I took the pills.        404 00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:52,446                                    405 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:57,743        Not in a million years,           especially given his persona,    406 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:01,705       would anyone have thought               that Bill Cosby...          407 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:06,460      ...would physically attack                and/or rape women          408 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:09,421          because you wanted                  to hang out with him,        409 00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,424             you wanted to...          410 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,218         sort of bask in the glow      411 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:18,013            of his relatable,                    charismatic persona.        412 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:20,933                [Kamau]                        But the general public       413 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:22,726         didn't know any of that.      414 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,269           We were just falling                 more and more in love        415 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:25,813         with him as an educator.      416 00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:29,149      You are funny, Bill Cosby.      417 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,401      [Kamau]   And he worked hard                to make sure we did.        418 00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:36,323                                    419 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,244           inquisitive music         420 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:41,578          [Marc]   Bill Cosby's                    a fascinating guy,         421 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:43,747       because for all of his talk     422 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,291                  about                        educational achievement,      423 00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:49,419        his educational journey's                real sketchy, right?        424 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:51,338    Bill Cosby attended one of the        top high schools in the city,    425 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,340          but he didn't graduate                     from there.             426 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:54,758                 He goes                      to Germantown High School,     427 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,343            but he drops out.          428 00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:59,221           He goes to the Navy,               and then he gets his GED.      429 00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:00,848               He then goes                     to Temple University,        430 00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:02,516        and he's an athlete there      431 00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,643       and doesn't quite finish                   then either.             432 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:05,894            They eventually                     give him a degree          433 00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:07,646    based on his life achievement,    434 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:09,231       which to a lot of people       435 00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:10,774      is just a secret-agent talk                  for, like,              436 00:19:10,816 --> 00:19:12,359     "You gave us a lot of money."    437 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,945     Then later on, he does go on     438 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:16,488       to get a master's degree                   in education             439 00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:18,574           from the University                    of Massachusetts,          440 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,118        and he gets his doctorate              in education from there,      441 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,079    although there is considerable            question among some--        442 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,790       among some--about whether      443 00:19:26,832 --> 00:19:29,960            he actually wrote                  the dissertation or not.      444 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:31,837            I'm willing to say                       that he did,            445 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,673       but the dissertation itself               is about   Fat Albert.        446 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,509                                    447 00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:41,513      He's in a doctorate program          while he's doing, you know,     448 00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:43,390        all his entertainment.        449 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,142           And so there were                    always questions           450 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,019         as to whether or not                  this was honorary,          451 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,478       whether he did the work,       452 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,063         whether somebody else                   did it for him.           453 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,401             There's a way                that he would have you think     454 00:19:54,443 --> 00:19:57,196     that he is a kind of champion           of educational success,       455 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,989            when, in fact,                he's had as rough and rugged     456 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,866       a pathway educationally,       457 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,577         as many of the people                   he criticizes.            458 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:06,079       [person]   This is when you              start to see Bill Cosby       459 00:20:06,121 --> 00:20:09,416        turn into Dr. Bill Cosby,      460 00:20:09,458 --> 00:20:11,043    which in the comedy community,    461 00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:14,588            people thought                  was pretentious as hell.       462 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:19,051        The Ed.D. is the lowest            doctorate that you can get.     463 00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:21,428     So a lot of people with Ed.D.    464 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,096           will be mad at me                    for saying that,           465 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,891            but, you know,                    you know what it is.         466 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:29,603         But for a PhD, like,                      it's like--             467 00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:32,439         it's like, you know,         468 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,108        playing in the G League              and playing in the NBA.       469 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,653              It's like,                      "Dude, you G League.         470 00:20:37,694 --> 00:20:39,321               You know,                    you a basketball player,       471 00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:40,614          but you G League."          472 00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:42,783        But, I mean, you know,        473 00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:45,494           he was certainly                      selling himself           474 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:48,455             as Dr. Cosby.            475 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,458        Two out of two doctors                recommend Coca-Cola.         476 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,961           A big, bold taste                 to really refresh you.        477 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:57,130    Two out of two doctors agree--         no prescription necessary.      478 00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:59,049        You know, I was a great                 basketball player          479 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,717        when I was in college.        480 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,595     One out of two doctors agree.    481 00:21:03,637 --> 00:21:08,058    When I met him, he had not yet            done   The Cosby Show.         482 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,977               So he was                    in the   Fat Albert   years,       483 00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:14,564      and he was getting his PhD             in education at UMass.        484 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,650                I studied                      in the music department       485 00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,110                  at the                     University of Massachusetts     486 00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:21,655            from 1974 to 1978.         487 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,993          There was a conference            held on campus for educators,    488 00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:30,122    and he was one of the featured         speakers at the conference.     489 00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:33,667      And I asked, "Why are they          bringing a stand-up comedian     490 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,670          and a TV star here                 to speak to educators?"       491 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:38,338           And someone said,          492 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:41,508          "Well, he's getting              his PhD here in education."     493 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:44,845       So I was there the night            he spoke at the conference.     494 00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:49,182       I have to say that he was          very serious about education     495 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,686     in a way that was impassioned             and that I admired.         496 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,521           And the next day,          497 00:21:54,563 --> 00:21:56,398             I was walking                 through the campus center,      498 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,235       and there was a commotion      499 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,904     in a small crowd to my right                as I walked by,           500 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,073            and I realized                 he was surrounded by people     501 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:06,867     who were seeking autographs.     502 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:08,785      So I thought, "I'm gonna go         over, and I'm gonna tell him     503 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:10,620               how much                    I appreciated his remarks,"     504 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,123        because I was studying                  education myself.          505 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:16,168          I stuck out my hand                  to shake his hand,          506 00:22:16,209 --> 00:22:18,337           'cause my father                   taught me to do that.        507 00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:21,715         And he took my hand,              and he wouldn't let it go.      508 00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:24,718       He made a comedy routine                     about it,              509 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,888     and I was blushing furiously     510 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,639         because I didn't know                     what to do,             511 00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:31,391             that this man                  would not let my hand go.      512 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,562         He wanted to know if             I was available that evening     513 00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,148          to go to a banquet               where he would be speaking      514 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,193                 with the                      Reverend Jesse Jackson,       515 00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:44,363        I didn't have any sense                that it was a date.         516 00:22:44,404 --> 00:22:47,574         I really didn't know                  what was going on.          517 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:50,202           And then he said,                 "So you're a teacher?"        518 00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:53,413              And I said,                    "Yes, but not exactly."       519 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,123       And he said, "What do you               mean not exactly?"          520 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,042               And I said,                      "I'm really a singer."       521 00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:58,877               And he said,                    "Oh, are you any good?"       522 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:02,297       And I said, "I think so,             but I'm not exactly sure       523 00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:04,216            in this moment                    what to do about it."        524 00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:07,260      And he said, "Well, I know              what to do about it."        525 00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,973         "I can introduce you                 to the right people.         526 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:14,518      I know exactly what to do."     527 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,605       And, frankly, that solved                a dilemma for me.          528 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:20,607              And, again,                      I never felt like--         529 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:23,610       because of his reputation                as a family man,           530 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:27,364    a father, married for so long,    531 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,408     it just never occurred to me     532 00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:32,953          that there might be              some ulterior motive there.     533 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:35,747     Two weeks later I was invited             to a "dinner party"         534 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,749              at his home                      in Shelburne Falls,         535 00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,084          and I just expected         536 00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:40,794        that I might meet part                    of his family            537 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:43,630     or I might meet other people         he wanted to introduce me to,    538 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:46,299      but we were the only people                 in the house.            539 00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:49,136          My antenna went up                   a little bit about,         540 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:50,929     "This is not what I expected,    541 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,765             I don't know                    how I feel about this."       542 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,976     But I wanted to be grown-up.     543 00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:01,231     He said he was going into the        other room to mix me a drink.    544 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,233           No question about               what I might like to drink,     545 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,485          nothing like that,                 just in the other room.       546 00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:08,071      He came back with something            that looked like water        547 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,199        but was a lot stronger                     than water.             548 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,619         It was his favorite--           he said his favorite beverage,    549 00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:18,290       but I have since learned,             he really didn't drink.       550 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,626     And he said, "We're gonna do         an improvisational exercise."    551 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:24,588      And I had never really had           any training as an actress,     552 00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,506           so I didn't know                what he was talking about.      553 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:31,094     So he set up a whole scenario        that he wanted me to pretend     554 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,972          that I was a queen,         555 00:24:34,014 --> 00:24:36,475         but that--and this is              gonna sound very strange,      556 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,186        it sounded very strange                      to me--               557 00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,189        but that I had oatmeal                  all over my face,          558 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,149      I needed to leave the room,     559 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,860          think about my face            as having oatmeal all over it,    560 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:51,490      and then return as regally         as I possibly could with the--    561 00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:54,034    knowing the oatmeal was there.    562 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,702             But he said,                  "But take a couple of sips      563 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:59,956          of your drink first              because you need to relax.      564 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:02,792            This won't work                  if you're not relaxed."       565 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:03,919               So I did.              566 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,670      So I came back in the room,     567 00:25:05,712 --> 00:25:08,840     and I did that, and he said,          "You're not relaxed enough.     568 00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,468      Take another couple of sips                of your drink."           569 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,011               So I did.              570 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,389      And I think the fourth time             we did the exercise,         571 00:25:16,431 --> 00:25:19,184               I noticed                    that my balance was off,       572 00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,811       and I remember thinking,                  "That's weird.            573 00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,565          I haven't even had                 a half of a drink yet."       574 00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:26,900        And then the next thing                      I knew,               575 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,818            I was waking up                  at two in the morning,        576 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,737             and Mr. Cosby                    was standing over me.        577 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,657         I was in a bed naked                   under the covers.          578 00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:35,492        He was standing over me                  in his bathrobe           579 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,369          with a toothbrush,                      waking me up,            580 00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:39,329              telling me                      that I needed to go.         581 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,588      I was very confused, Kamau.     582 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:51,883     I was also sicker than I had             ever felt in my life,        583 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,219          sick to my stomach.         584 00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:57,931          And I said to him,                    "What happened?"           585 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,475    And he said, "Oh, you threw up    586 00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,561            and passed out                     in my powder room."         587 00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,523    I had no recollection of that,    588 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,692              and I said,                      "Where's my dress?"         589 00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,861        And he said, "Oh, I had                    to wash it.             590 00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:13,280           It's over there."          591 00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:17,409          And I believed him                because I still believed       592 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,077           in his reputation          593 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,539      and therefore believed that         I had just humiliated myself     594 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,958           utterly in front                    of this famous man          595 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,585      who had offered to help me.     596 00:26:26,626 --> 00:26:29,170          I made it all about                   my responsibility          597 00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:31,423         and my embarrassment                     and my shame.            598 00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800     It never occurred to me that          he'd sexually assaulted me.     599 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,304         All I thought of was,             "I just humiliated myself."     600 00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:44,227       Mr. Cosby called me after          a long absence from my life--    601 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,479           I really thought                he'd disappeared for good--     602 00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:49,608     and surprised me, called me,              "How are you doing?         603 00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:51,943     I'm gonna be in Atlantic City                to do a show.            604 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,446             I'm gonna be                   on   The Dinah Shore Show,       605 00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:56,656       and I'd like you to come            'cause there's some people      606 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,116             that I'd like                    to introduce you to."        607 00:26:58,158 --> 00:26:59,200          And I said, "Okay."         608 00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,619          You know, I wanted                      to spend time            609 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,953             with this man                     that kept promising         610 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,747        I was either gonna get                  a role in a film           611 00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,249      or I was gonna be helped in        a singing career or something,    612 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,960      so I know what my part was.     613 00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:12,047         My part was, I wanted                what he was offering.        614 00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:14,758       I didn't want everything                that he was doing,          615 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,926             but I wanted                     what he was offering.        616 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,970                We went                     to   The Dinah Shore Show,       617 00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,680        which was very exciting       618 00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:23,892          because she was one            of those women pioneers in TV,    619 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,727           I mean, so it was                a real honor to meet her.      620 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:29,314       And then the next morning                   I woke up,              621 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,151        and my hair was a mess,               my makeup was a mess.        622 00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,111             I was naked.             623 00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:39,616         I was sick like I was               that time at his house.       624 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,826          And, honestly, that         625 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,537     and the fact that I couldn't          remember what had happened      626 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,873          were enough for me                   to connect the dots         627 00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,541       between those two events.      628 00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:52,712    And I was angry because I felt          like I'd been penetrated       629 00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:56,049       while I was unconscious.       630 00:27:56,091 --> 00:28:00,011      Had no recollection of it,          but that's how it felt to me.    631 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,390          And I got dressed,                    and I stalked out          632 00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:05,558          to the living room                   and confronted him          633 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,729           and asked him why               he had done what he'd done.     634 00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,316            And he told me                   I was being ungrateful        635 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,318      and that I needed to leave.     636 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,531          And he also told me             Camille was arriving in town.    637 00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:21,366          "You're ungrateful.                  You need to leave.          638 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,910         Camille is arriving."        639 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:28,873     So I left, and I never heard             from him again, ever.        640 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:32,460     I do not believe that he ever       wanted or intended to help me.    641 00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,755            I felt stupid.                        I felt naive.            642 00:28:35,797 --> 00:28:39,300            I felt ashamed.                       I felt angry.            643 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,637      I had a lot of conflicting               feelings about it.          644 00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:44,264          And since I thought                  I was the only one,         645 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:47,600       since I felt exceedingly           stupid for letting it happen,    646 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,269        and since I was ashamed       647 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:53,606     and took more responsibility          for it than I should have,      648 00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:55,525              why would--                 why would you talk about it?     649 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,026                 Why--                650 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,696     And also, with his reputation               the way it was            651 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:03,783       and believing that no one           would believe me if I did,      652 00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:06,453      why would I talk about it?      653 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,917            So what happens                    in sexual assault?          654 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:17,630     The first thing that happens            is a sense of confusion       655 00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:22,051           because somebody                      has betrayed...           656 00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:25,972              a belief...             657 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,766             that they had                      about the person.          658 00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:30,518           So, if I believed              that this person was a kind,     659 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,271            upstanding man                   who was gonna help me,        660 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,732           then how do I...           661 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,443       begin to accept the fact       662 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,612      that he could do something               so horrible to me?          663 00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:44,908     What does that say about him?        What does that say about me?     664 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:48,912        What does it say about             my ability to judge people?     665 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:53,458         And what does it say               about what value I hold?       666 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,253       This is also the purpose              of drugging a victim--        667 00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,672             so that they                     gaslight themselves.         668 00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,425            They don't know                that this was premeditated,     669 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:03,927            that there was                      grooming involved          670 00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:07,514            in getting her                  to whatever room it was,       671 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,474             that all this               was orchestrated intentionally    672 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,476          for her to not have                      the ability             673 00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,313       to know that her consent                   was violated.            674 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,942             When I began                      to practice law...          675 00:30:18,983 --> 00:30:22,028          persons who alleged                that they were victims        676 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,697      of rape and sexual assault      677 00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:28,660     were viewed with a great deal                of suspicion.            678 00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:33,039        In fact, there was even             a cautionary instruction       679 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,376          given to juries...          680 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,211               by judges              681 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:42,590     about believing the testimony    682 00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,676           of rape victims.           683 00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:47,011      We have evolved from there,     684 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:51,015           but we still have                 a long, long way to go,       685 00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,017                and...                686 00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:56,563          rapes by a stranger                    in a dark alley           687 00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:59,023            are less common           688 00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:02,652    than rapes and sexual assaults    689 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,280          by an acquaintance.         690 00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:08,575         [Sonalee]   A predator                   is someone who is--         691 00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:12,203            on the face of it,                   looks very charming.        692 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:14,747          It is often someone                    who understands           693 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,876      that they want to continue                 harming people            694 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:20,169       but without being caught.      695 00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:22,171     And so, in order to do that,     696 00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,258              a predator                 would have to project an image    697 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,927         of what they want people              to believe that they are      698 00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:32,724          so that they continue             to do harm behind the scenes.    699 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,642         The whole culture had                    a blind spot,            700 00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:37,937        and Bill Cosby kind of            operated within it, I think.     701 00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:41,649             dramatic music          702 00:31:41,691 --> 00:31:43,484              [laughter]              703 00:31:43,526 --> 00:31:45,987      Up in my room, on my menu,      704 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,114               they want                      a dollar thirty-five,        705 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:49,824          one egg, any style.         706 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:53,786           That's got to be                     a hell of an egg.          707 00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,748            It's got to be                    a hell of a chicken.         708 00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,250           And I want to see                    the rooster, too.          709 00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:02,420                                    710 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,798       [Kamau]   Bill Cosby spent               the '70s onstage a lot,       711 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,301        and one of his main spots                    was Nevada,             712 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,469             not just Vegas--          713 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:11,137             Reno, and Tahoe,          714 00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:13,431         which is kind of weird,                      honestly.              715 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,143         Cosby's fourth album              is recorded in Lake Tahoe.      716 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,814              It seemed like                 his favorite place to play,     717 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,734     and for those of us who play     718 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,612        Vegas or Reno or Tahoe,       719 00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,989              you notice                    most comedian's specials       720 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,659             are not taped                    any of those places.         721 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,786             They're usually                     in a city somewhere         722 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,913        or on a campus somewhere.      723 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,457             So it was really                      surprising to me          724 00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:42,835              that that was                    his home-base audience.       725 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,837      And to tell you the truth,                  to this day,             726 00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:46,631             I don't know                      what to make of it.         727 00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:49,092             dramatic music          728 00:32:53,012 --> 00:32:56,015       They call it the biggest             little city in the world.      729 00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,893             All the casinos                      and entertainment          730 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,728            was clustered in,          731 00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:03,940          it seemed like a four-              or five-block square area      732 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,025            in the early '80s.         733 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,944          When I moved to Reno,        734 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,155             I was about 22,           735 00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:13,783       and I got a job at Harrah's.    736 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,036       The weird and awkward thing     737 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,122              about applying                   for cocktail waitressing      738 00:33:19,163 --> 00:33:22,709             is you go to                the beverage manager's office.    739 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,712       You take off your jacket,         and you stand in front of him,    740 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:28,631      and he looks you up and down,              has you turn around         741 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,176      to make sure you look right     742 00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:33,845          and sexy, I guess.          743 00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,889           And it was gross,                 now that I think of it.       744 00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:39,517         And he did say to me,             "I want you to keep an eye      745 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,185           on those thighs,"          746 00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:42,562         looking at my thighs.        747 00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,397         And I'm like, "Okay."        748 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,066      And that was the end of it.     749 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,111      Nowadays, he'd be so sued,      750 00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,740          but I took it then,                    as we all did.            751 00:33:53,781 --> 00:33:56,034              Since I worked                   in one of the showrooms,      752 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,745          I was fortunate enough            to meet several people there.    753 00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,496          I met Smokey Robinson,       754 00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:04,208          and I met Loretta Lynn                   and Wayne Newton          755 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,586        and it was all wow to me,      756 00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:09,839          like glitz and glamour                    kind of thing.           757 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,382          When he would come                      to Harrah's,             758 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,009       I knew of him, of course.      759 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,886            Everybody did.            760 00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:18,306             I believe he had                a long friendly relationship    761 00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,600             with Mr. Harrah                     while he was alive.         762 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:24,437              He was a big,                     big draw at Harrah's.        763 00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:26,230         So what happened was,        764 00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:28,232    one of the cocktail waitresses    765 00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:31,277         in the showroom said,        766 00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,279             "Bill is having                        a pizza party.           767 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,614      Do you want to come with me?"    768 00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:36,115           And I said, "Sure."         769 00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:38,034       I thought she just wanted      770 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,536           a wingman kind of                     to go with her.           771 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,789           Bill Cosby opened                     the front door            772 00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,042            and greeted us.           773 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,461     I don't recall what he said--          'Hi," you know, whatever.      774 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,797        And he opened the door,       775 00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:52,799            and I realized                     there was no party.         776 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,801       It was just me and Judy.       777 00:34:54,842 --> 00:34:58,096        My initial thought was,           "Well, this is kind of cool.     778 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,264          This is Bill Cosby.         779 00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:03,851       I'll stay and have a beer              and a slice of pizza,        780 00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:06,187       and then I'll, you know,                  excuse myself."           781 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,439         He asked if we wanted                 to play backgammon,         782 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,399     and I'm a little competitive,    783 00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:13,069       so I'm like, "Yeah, baby,               I'll take you on."          784 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,990        And before we started,                he held out his hand,        785 00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:22,120         and I believe he said                they were Quaaludes.         786 00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:25,206     I can't recall that for sure.    787 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,750       And he said, "Do you want             to take one of these?"        788 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,003            And I had tried                     Quaaludes before,          789 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,091    and, to me, they just made you               a little drunk            790 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,427         without getting drunk               and having a hangover.        791 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,846          And I said, "Sure."         792 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:44,433      And I took one, and he put            a second one in my hand,       793 00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,644             and he said,                  "No, take two. It's okay."      794 00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,354               And he...              795 00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,523           And so I thought,          796 00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,526      "Okay, this is Bill Cosby.      797 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,153             He must know                   what he's talking about."      798 00:35:55,194 --> 00:35:57,363         I planned on staying                      initially,              799 00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,865         like, an hour anyway,        800 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,535       so I didn't think it was            gonna be as bad as it was,      801 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,872     and it was almost immediate.     802 00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,294     We started playing the game,               and everything--           803 00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:13,421              my head...              804 00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,424              everything                       was getting woozy.          805 00:36:16,465 --> 00:36:20,011        And I was looking down              at the backgammon board,       806 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,930       and I said, "This game's                not fair anymore."          807 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,473        And he said, "Why not?"       808 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,518        And I go, "'Cause I can             no longer see the board."      809 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,189      And I faceplanted straight           into the backgammon board.      810 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,734       The next thing I remember           is him helping me stand up      811 00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:37,486     and walking me up the stairs                 to a bedroom,            812 00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,197                because                     I couldn't really walk--       813 00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:40,656          he had to hold me,          814 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:43,576      and everything was spinning     815 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,412       and swirling and woozy--       816 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,040     and bringing me to a bedroom.    817 00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:50,917           I don't remember                    getting undressed.          818 00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:52,710       I don't remember getting                 into the bedroom.          819 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,253     I don't remember any of that.    820 00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:56,255     The next thing I do remember     821 00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:59,091         was the next morning                    when I woke up.           822 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:01,719      I, first of all, was like,             "Where the hell am I?"        823 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,598     And then I knew I was naked.     824 00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,769        And he was in bed naked                    next to me.             825 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:13,689           So he rolls over                 and starts talking to me,      826 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:18,444        and I apologized to him                 for passing out,           827 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,154      because I was embarrassed,      828 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,948              and I said,                 "I don't know what happened.     829 00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,449            I'm so sorry."            830 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,244             And I started                    grabbing my clothes,         831 00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:27,328          and I got dressed.          832 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,413     And I got to the front door,     833 00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,208          and I guess he was                actually walking me out,       834 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,585            and I remember                      opening the door           835 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,295          and seeing my car.          836 00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,297       And he stopped the door,       837 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,299       and he looked down at me,                  and he goes,             838 00:37:40,341 --> 00:37:43,135             "Now, this is                    between me and you."         839 00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,805         And he went like this             and put his finger on him,      840 00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:47,306         like, shh, be quiet.         841 00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:48,975                And...                842 00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:52,436      I said, "I wasn't planning             on alerting the media."       843 00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:53,771              And I left.             844 00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,315         The whole experience                  was so mortifying,          845 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,901         not because I thought                    I was raped,             846 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,655       but because I fucked up,                 I took the drugs,          847 00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,784             I passed out,                    you know, me, me, me.        848 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:11,747         I was perpetuating...        849 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,209      exactly what victim blaming              does all the time,          850 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,545       but I was blaming myself.      851 00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:21,507      I was the one perpetuating                    that myth              852 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,927     that I did something wrong...    853 00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:29,265     and therefore I got fucked...    854 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,642        in more ways than one.        855 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:35,938               [person]                       Quaalude is a white pill      856 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,648      a little smaller than a dime.    857 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,526            It was synthesized                     in India in 1951          858 00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:42,486              and later went                   on the worldwide market       859 00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:44,572              as a sedative                       or sleeping pill.          860 00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,743         Quaalude was steadily              increasing in popularity       861 00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,371             from the date                of its introduction in 1965,     862 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:56,042    and it reached peak popularity        in the United States in 1972.    863 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295          Millions and millions                    of prescriptions          864 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,214            were being written                  in the United States.        865 00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:03,758        It was actually routine       866 00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:07,178          to combine alcohol                      and Quaalude.            867 00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:11,223         The effect of combining                Quaalude with alcohol,       868 00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:13,934            it would allow you                       to get more             869 00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,729               out of both                        of the substances.         870 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:18,439       I mean, it's possible that--    871 00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:20,358           and really actually                       very likely             872 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:24,695                that Cosby                    was leveraging Quaalude's      873 00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:29,700            somewhat rosy,                   innocuous reputation...       874 00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,911         because he understood            that it was the sort of drug     875 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,496             that someone                      would want to take.         876 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:34,830       I mean, this is kind of,       877 00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,458             I think, one                  of the major misconceptions     878 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,461        about drug-facilitated                   sexual assault,           879 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:45,007           is this idea that                  there's some boundary        880 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,968          between consensual               and nonconsensual drug use,     881 00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:49,637       when it's often the case       882 00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:52,139              that people                 will consensually use a drug     883 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:54,558       because they're operating                on the assumption          884 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,186           that they're not               in the presence of a rapist.     885 00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,397          Someone can consent                 to taking a Quaalude         886 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,190              and consent                     to having a beverage         887 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,234        but not consent to any               of the sexual activity        888 00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,903           that might happen                when they're unconscious,      889 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,614         because what happens                      during sex              890 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,450      when we involve substances      891 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,911             is it messes                 with our ability to consent.     892 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:17,289             I would place               an enormous amount of emphasis    893 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,708         on the sexual assault        894 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,129       and very little emphasis       895 00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:25,965            on the drug use                  that may accompany it,        896 00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:29,468             which I think                 is largely inconsequential.     897 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,095     You know, when you go through            these medical reports        898 00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:34,140      and you look at the result      899 00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,684           of urine analysis                    in self-reported           900 00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:38,811           drug-facilitated                     sexual assaults,           901 00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:42,106             what you find                 is that it's often alcohol      902 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,316         that is responsible.         903 00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,986        And does that mean that           there are no date-rape drugs?    904 00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,487          No, it doesn't mean                     that at all.             905 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:50,448         It means that alcohol                is a date-rape drug,         906 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,492            and every time                    we place our emphasis        907 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:57,163        on some surreptitiously                administered powder         908 00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,165        that you have to guard                 your drink against,         909 00:40:59,206 --> 00:41:01,459       we're forgetting the fact           that it's the drink itself      910 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,170          that is most likely               what is going to be used.      911 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,797          So I think the idea              of what is a date-rape drug     912 00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:10,301        is almost like asking,              "What is a murder knife?"      913 00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:13,512            It's any knife                     used by a murderer.         914 00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:14,638          This is Bill Cosby.         915 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,015          Now that everybody                      has told you             916 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,683           about the dangers                     of doing drugs,           917 00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,977         I'd like to tell you              about some of the benefits.     918 00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:21,854         Just imagine yourself                     unconscious             919 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,106              making a visit                to a hospital emergency room,    920 00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:26,192               weeks in                      rehabilitation centers,       921 00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,860    nights in overcrowded prisons,    922 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,362          spending more money                 than you can afford,         923 00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:32,448         ruining your health,                 hurting your parents,        924 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,699        losing your loved ones,       925 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,160           and, most of all,                  destroying yourself.         926 00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:38,913          Remember what I say                  about doing drugs--         927 00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,041        I think you can say no.       928 00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,085          Oh, the hypocrisy.          929 00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,087     "Imagine you're unconscious"     930 00:41:47,129 --> 00:41:49,173          was the first thing                     that hit me.             931 00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841       He should have continued,      932 00:41:50,883 --> 00:41:53,886            "Because that's                 when I do my best work."       933 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:58,557         You don't often learn                  that your heroes           934 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,561              are really                   the worst sorts of villain.     935 00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:08,400      Like, that's not something           that's a normal experience.     936 00:42:08,442 --> 00:42:11,570          Or that this person              who you think of as a hero      937 00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:15,658     has fooled the entire country    938 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,744              about what                   their character really is.      939 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:21,747               soft music            940 00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:25,167                                    941 00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,338         It was so different.         942 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,091          I moved there in 1973.       943 00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,926         It was the cowboy town.       944 00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,554         There were maybe 60,000                 or 70,000 residents         945 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:38,222            that lived there.          946 00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,058             You'd see stars                     all over the place.         947 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,727             See gangsters                 at Las Vegas Country Club,      948 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,480          and one of the gals                 I played tennis with,        949 00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:49,775        her brother-in-law was              Tony "The Ant" Spilotro,       950 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,027            who ended up dead                      in a cornfield.           951 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,450             That's correct.           952 00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,535        They're there for a couple               of weeks at a time.         953 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,953          They're performers,         954 00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,580     and they still want to pursue                their off day            955 00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:04,206            and have some fun.         956 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,917        And so it was not uncommon               to see people there.        957 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,212                                    958 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,132    In 1981, I lived in Las Vegas.    959 00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:14,883          I was 24 years old          960 00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:18,554             and belonged                   to a private tennis club.      961 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,973           The name of the club              was Cambridge Racquet Club.     962 00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:24,935      It was where all the stars         that played tennis would come.    963 00:43:24,977 --> 00:43:27,313               That's where                     Andre Agassi trained.        964 00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:30,649             He was about ten               when I started playing there.    965 00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:34,069        I do have an incredible                 top-spin backhand          966 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,904            two-handed lob                  that I use in pickleball       967 00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:37,948        and I learned straight            from Andre when he was a kid.    968 00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:41,952    [applause, indistinct chatter]    969 00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,581        I was playing in the club            mixed doubles championship,     970 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:48,500       and the tournament director          asked, "Hey, Cosby's in town.    971 00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,210             He wants to play                 in the private tournament.     972 00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:51,462              Do you care?"            973 00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:54,506         [cheers and applause]        974 00:43:54,548 --> 00:43:56,175           My partner, Herman,                       and I said,             975 00:43:56,216 --> 00:43:57,718          "No, we don't care.                  We'll beat anybody.         976 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,928           That's all right.                     Bring him on."            977 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:04,391        And that's the first time                  that I met him.           978 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,060      He challenged us to a bet--     979 00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:08,771                if you                      and your partner beat us,      980 00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:11,065        you can come to my show             tonight, front-row seat.       981 00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:12,608       Okay, now let's get down                   to business.             982 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,109       I'm saying to my partner,      983 00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:16,862       "Okay, it's time to kick           some backside now, come on."     984 00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,366            I was 100% certain                  that my partner and I        985 00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,786         would beat Bill Cosby                  and his partner,           986 00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,621           and I'm going to                    tell you right now,         987 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,831       it's the only competitive                match in my life           988 00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:30,709    that I wish I hadn't have won.    989 00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:33,379      So it was late on a Saturday.    990 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,797          My partner, Herman,         991 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,882             happened to work                  at the Las Vegas Hilton       992 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,885         as the head maitre d'                  in the showroom,           993 00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:41,887      so he saw acts every night.     994 00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:43,806         And my extra bad luck        995 00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,974        is that he was working                     that night,             996 00:44:46,016 --> 00:44:47,893       so it was too late for me               to get anyone else,         997 00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,896     so I guess I'll go by myself.    998 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,399       When I got to the Hilton,      999 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,069    I said, "Hey, Herman, I'm here          for that front-row seat."      1000 00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:58,570               He said,                    "Well, you've been invited      1001 00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,531            to go backstage                  to his dressing room."        1002 00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:03,158        So someone, and I can't             describe or tell you who,      1003 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,411                took me                      into the dressing room.       1004 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,497        There was a giant array                of fruits and food,         1005 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,750            and Cosby came                      on my right side           1006 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:14,086             and handed me                     a champagne flute.          1007 00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,672        Now, I was just a kid,              but I knew what that was.      1008 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,173              And it had                      a clear liquid in it         1009 00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:19,425          with something red                     in the bottom,            1010 00:45:19,466 --> 00:45:21,427     and I assumed it to be fruit.    1011 00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:25,431        So I took a sip of what             I assumed was champagne,       1012 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:26,765      and I thought, "You'd think     1013 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,100         that he could afford                   something better.          1014 00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:30,185      This is a terrible taste."      1015 00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,354         But I drank probably                      half of it.             1016 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,107         But these are my last              three conscious memories.      1017 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:36,608         Looking to my left--         1018 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:38,944         I can't move my body,                    just my eyes.            1019 00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,739       I'm thinking, "That's the           biggest cappuccino machine      1020 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,574            I've ever seen.           1021 00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:46,744    I can't believe you're kissing          me wearing your wife's--       1022 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:49,121            an ID bracelet                with your wife's name on it,     1023 00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,874           and I didn't know              your skin would be so soft."     1024 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,127                 Done.                1025 00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:57,963       I don't know how I got home.            I don't know if I drove.      1026 00:45:58,005 --> 00:46:00,883       I would find it pretty hard             to believe that I drove.      1027 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:02,468               I went back                       to the tennis club,         1028 00:46:02,509 --> 00:46:04,178         and the tournament desk       1029 00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,806             handed me one                 of the old message papers.      1030 00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:09,892         Here, "Cosby called.              He wants you to call him."      1031 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,393            So I did call,            1032 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,438      and I was going to give him              a piece of my mind,         1033 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,148            but I never got                      those words out           1034 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,650      because he was so skilled.      1035 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,489       He said, "I'm sorry about            what happened last night.      1036 00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:27,326     I guess I got the wrong idea              of what you wanted          1037 00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:29,578     because you drank too much."     1038 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,416    And suddenly, I feel this big.    1039 00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:37,586      He also said, which hasn't             been talked about much,       1040 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,087      "Let me make it up to you.      1041 00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,006         You didn't get to see                      the show.              1042 00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,509       Come back tonight between           the first and second show.      1043 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,010       I don't have any friends.      1044 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,137         Everybody just thinks                     I'm a star,             1045 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,348        and I just want to play                   backgammon."             1046 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:50,933          And I fell for it.          1047 00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:53,977                I went.               1048 00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,021      I didn't--I said, "I'm not            drinking when I'm there,"      1049 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,689     because, remember, he told me            I had drank too much,        1050 00:46:57,731 --> 00:46:59,733          and so, of course,                  I'm gonna believe it.        1051 00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,444        He's an old Bill Cosby.                  What do I know?           1052 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:05,531            I'm just a kid               that must have made a mistake.    1053 00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:08,575           So I just assumed                      he was right.            1054 00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:12,412       Naive, drank too much...       1055 00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,707        but I know better now.        1056 00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:18,335         We played backgammon.                    He stood up.             1057 00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,629     "Okay, I got to go get ready                for the show."            1058 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,549         I stood up, expecting               to be taken to a seat,        1059 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:25,926        and he grabbed on to me       1060 00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,720      and was trying to kiss me,               but now I'm sober.          1061 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,097          He had an erection.         1062 00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,224            It was pressed                    right up against me,         1063 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:34,393         I got away from him.         1064 00:47:34,434 --> 00:47:36,061     I mean, he's bigger than me,     1065 00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023            but I was able                      to fend him off.           1066 00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:41,567        And I went home, going,       1067 00:47:41,608 --> 00:47:44,570     "Well, he has certainly shown                 who he is."             1068 00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:46,363     And someone said, "Why didn't           you go to the police?"        1069 00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:48,240        I didn't know adultery                was against the law.         1070 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,658        That's what I thought.        1071 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,243         That's all I thought.        1072 00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,663         That's all I thought.        1073 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,081      I don't know what happened.     1074 00:47:56,123 --> 00:47:58,083     I didn't wake up in his bed.     1075 00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,960          I don't have trauma         1076 00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:03,380           of precise rape.           1077 00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:06,174      I don't know what happened,        but I know something happened.    1078 00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:09,887         Kissing me without my            permission is sexual assault.    1079 00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:11,722           Now, would I want                   to get hypnotized?          1080 00:48:11,763 --> 00:48:13,140      You remember what that was?     1081 00:48:13,181 --> 00:48:14,182               Hell, no.              1082 00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:21,607         [Madame]   What is it?                 Bill Cosby: Himself.         1083 00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:23,150                 -Yes.                    -If it ain't you, who is it?     1084 00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,444           Well, it depends                   on who's in the room.        1085 00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:26,904              [laughter]              1086 00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,906      Madame, I want to thank you                for doing that,           1087 00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,198      but I feel a little silly.      1088 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,492      I didn't come here tonight                to push my album.          1089 00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,036             -Oh, well...                             -Yeah                1090 00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:35,704        ...it's almost as silly               as selling Coca-Cola,        1091 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,623        computers, and Jell-O,                      isn't it?              1092 00:48:39,249 --> 00:48:41,251           [Kamau]   There was                   a stand-up-comedy boom       1093 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,004        in the '70s that only got                bigger in the '80s.         1094 00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:47,049      Stand-up comics were becoming             as big as rock stars.        1095 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,927       Steve Martin, Richard Pryor,                 George Carlin,           1096 00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,804       and eventually Eddie Murphy.    1097 00:48:52,846 --> 00:48:55,474          And stand-up was also               becoming way more X-Rated.     1098 00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:56,975      Hope no one gets offended.      1099 00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,020     I want to talk about fucking.    1100 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,355         This is where you do                  your best fucking,          1101 00:49:01,396 --> 00:49:03,231          when you just start                  to learn your body          1102 00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:06,777    and getting all your shoulders             in on the fucking.          1103 00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,236          [Kamau]   Bill Cosby                    was still releasing         1104 00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:09,571          G-rated comedy albums.       1105 00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:21,667       But these weren't celebrated            like his earlier albums.      1106 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:24,503         It seemed like stand-up              comedy was passing him by,     1107 00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:27,130       and also, comedy was moving               away from the album         1108 00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:28,757           to something bigger.        1109 00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:31,551       HBO specials are starting                   to happen.              1110 00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:33,178               Robert Klein                       was the first one,         1111 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,138        and then Carlin jumped on,     1112 00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:38,100        and then, of course, Pryor            comes out with this film,      1113 00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:40,394            Richard Pryor:                      Live in Concert.           1114 00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:43,063      Even though HBO had already          done some comedy specials,      1115 00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,691            this was, like,                   the high water mark.         1116 00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:48,819     Richard Pryor had had success             taping his stand-up         1117 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,238            and releasing them                    in movie theaters.         1118 00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:53,365            What you taking                      my picture for?           1119 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,158       Who you gonna show it to?      1120 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,036        Sit your ugly ass down.       1121 00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:01,123     [Renée]   And that really built           up Richard Pryor's career.     1122 00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,792                [Wayne]                     I think Bill Cosby was like,    1123 00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:05,335         "Oh, you think you know       1124 00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:08,839        how to do a single-person                  comedy special?           1125 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,924              Guess what.                      Watch the master."          1126 00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,053                [Kamau]                       Bill Cosby: Himself--        1127 00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,222       If you're a true comedy fan,    1128 00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:21,226       you can tell that this dude            is a master at his craft.      1129 00:50:21,268 --> 00:50:22,728         [cheers and applause]        1130 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:25,564           Even the best comics                 you think of right now       1131 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,735           can't just sit down                   in a chair and kill.        1132 00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,738      First of all, in stand-up,          when you see comics sit down,    1133 00:50:32,779 --> 00:50:35,073       we be like, "You ain't--                   Who are you?             1134 00:50:35,115 --> 00:50:38,118        Motherfucker, you ain't             Bill Cosby, motherfucker.      1135 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,455            Boy, am I glad                      to be back here.           1136 00:50:41,496 --> 00:50:43,206               [Godfrey]                        Bill Cosby sat down         1137 00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,125          and had the microphone                     on his knee.            1138 00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:48,045      Are you fucking kidding me?     1139 00:50:48,086 --> 00:50:51,089     [person]   He's doing TV shows.               He's doing movies.         1140 00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:52,382           He's doing cartoons.        1141 00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,259        All those other things                      are fine,              1142 00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:58,221     but with   Bill Cosby: Himself,         he gets back to the roots.      1143 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,225        This is the transition                  from young Cosby,          1144 00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:06,354          like, the athlete,                  to, oh, I'm the dad.         1145 00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,107         He's not the sexy guy                      in   I Spy.              1146 00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,526               He's not                      sort of the cool uncle.       1147 00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,028                [Renée]                    He comes out wearing glasses.    1148 00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,948           He's a lot fleshier                  than he was in   I Spy.        1149 00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,785        Middle age is starting               to show in Bill Cosby.        1150 00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:22,788          He didn't come out                  in the leather suit.         1151 00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,790        It wasn't the swagger.        1152 00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:27,793           [Renée]   The stage                   is completely sparse.        1153 00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,461         Part of it's to keep                   the focus on him.          1154 00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,421     You're not getting distracted              by anything else.          1155 00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,048          You're just listening                  to what he's saying.        1156 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,966              [laughter]              1157 00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:36,760            It's a lot of his                    observational humor         1158 00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:38,929      in the most conversational                  kind of way.             1159 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,640    Like, you don't even feel like        you really watching stand-up.    1160 00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,642        [Kamau]   There are bits                    in this special           1161 00:51:43,683 --> 00:51:45,769               that people                     are still talking about.      1162 00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:48,021      Chocolate cake, coming up!      1163 00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:50,774             Four slices.                   [imitates blade slicing]       1164 00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,859             Daddy's great           1165 00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:58,532                 Give us                        the chocolate cake         1166 00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:02,828      And we had a ball until...      1167 00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:09,751                [Kamau]                    And the bit from this special    1168 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,671         that everybody remembers                  is the dentist.           1169 00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:17,634                [Cosby]                             Dentists...             1170 00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:20,095             tell you not                      to pick your teeth          1171 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:24,182     with any sharp metal object.     1172 00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:25,934     Then you sit in their chair.     1173 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:28,687              [chuckles]              1174 00:52:28,728 --> 00:52:32,274            Now the dentist                    pulls out a needle.         1175 00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,151    This is to deaden in the pain.    1176 00:52:34,192 --> 00:52:37,195               [laughs]               1177 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,531         Now, a regular doctor            giving you a shot will go...     1178 00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:41,324      [imitates needle plunging]                 And that's it.            1179 00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,534            Sound effects.            1180 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,202        Dentists don't do that.                    They go...              1181 00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:46,079      [imitates needle plunging]      1182 00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:52,377      So the dentist comes back.            You want to talk to him.       1183 00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:54,379             So you say...            1184 00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:58,216         [mumbling comically]         1185 00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,718         "I beg your pardon."         1186 00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:04,055         [mumbling comically]         1187 00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,057           Yeah, he got it.                   He's covering it all.        1188 00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:08,643      I love how he would imitate     1189 00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,146            a conversation                     between two people.         1190 00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:14,065         [mumbling comically]         1191 00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:21,990                [Kamau]                       This bit became so huge,      1192 00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:25,410       Bill Cosby could still close             on it 20 years later.        1193 00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:28,330    The Cosby dental joke is so...    1194 00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:31,499               so solid                      in our American culture       1195 00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:34,711     that if you do a dental joke,          it better be so different      1196 00:53:34,753 --> 00:53:35,921    'cause a motherfucker be like,    1197 00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,256          "That's Cosby, man.                      Switch up."             1198 00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:39,883                [Kamau]                     He's talking about his wife.    1199 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:41,343       He's talking about his kids.    1200 00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,094               He's talking                       about being a dad,         1201 00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:45,347          stuff a lot of comics                      talk about,             1202 00:53:45,388 --> 00:53:47,432             but it's the way                   he's talking about it.       1203 00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,434         You get just as angry                    with a child,            1204 00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:51,478      and you don't want to say,              "But what the filth?         1205 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,730       And I'll bust your filth                     and foul,              1206 00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:55,565       and I'll filth your face,      1207 00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,150              and, yeah,                       you filth and foul,         1208 00:53:57,192 --> 00:54:00,320     foul, filth and I'll filth in             your foul, filth."          1209 00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:03,657            As banal as all                   of the subjects are,         1210 00:54:03,698 --> 00:54:07,494               the level                      of comedic brilliance        1211 00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,413     as far as a performance goes                   for Cosby              1212 00:54:10,455 --> 00:54:12,290         is really underrated         1213 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:16,127        because he's not doing            anything shocking in any way.    1214 00:54:16,169 --> 00:54:19,256        I think there's one bit                of profanity in it.         1215 00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:21,091      He uses the word "asshole,"     1216 00:54:21,132 --> 00:54:23,510        but he uses it in a way       1217 00:54:23,551 --> 00:54:25,804           that the audience                      will forgive.            1218 00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:29,474      I said, "Tell me, you know,           what is it about cocaine       1219 00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:31,476     that makes it so wonderful?"     1220 00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:33,979      And the guy said, "Well...      1221 00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,982            it intensifies                     your personality."          1222 00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,820         And I said, "Yes, but             what if you're an asshole?"     1223 00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:47,993                [Kamau]                    And Bill Cosby does the thing    1224 00:54:48,034 --> 00:54:50,328          that after the success                    of this film,            1225 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,831       comics would repeatedly try                  to replicate.            1226 00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:54,833          He's using his special       1227 00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:58,211         to pitch his next idea--                    his TV show.            1228 00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:00,171       Latter half of that film,      1229 00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,173            it's all about                     being a family man,         1230 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:05,260      but especially being a father               of five children.          1231 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,429          Our children enjoy                      their dinner             1232 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:10,932      because my wife allows them           to listen to their music.      1233 00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:14,352         So, if you get to...                 [imitates bass line]         1234 00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:17,105         And the children eat,                     and they...             1235 00:55:17,147 --> 00:55:18,565                [Kamau]                           Sound familiar?           1236 00:55:22,777 --> 00:55:24,863         I don't look at them.                   I just keep...            1237 00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:29,909        [Renée]   He's giving you                the befuddled father.        1238 00:55:29,951 --> 00:55:32,162    You know, all these things are        kind of happening around him,    1239 00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:34,122         and he's just trying            to hold body and soul together    1240 00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,707     without killing his children.    1241 00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:40,378      Also, people with one child          do not have to go through--     1242 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,548      will you stop touching me?      1243 00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,009     I mean, if you got one child          and the child's doing that,     1244 00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:48,345     then you got to take it away,                  you know?              1245 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:50,972     [Kamau]   Somewhere, a TV exec            watched this and thought,      1246 00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:53,016        "Hmm, is America ready        1247 00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,727               for a new                      Black family sitcom?"        1248 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,355      Bill Cosby's genius is that     1249 00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,776           he took just this                 everyday mundane stuff        1250 00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:05,820         and literally crafted        1251 00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:10,075        this whole comedy aura                     around it.              1252 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:16,039        [Kamau]   If Bill Cosby's             career had ended that night,    1253 00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,917        he would've been cemented               as one of the greats.        1254 00:56:18,958 --> 00:56:23,046            But because of his               relentlessness in the '70s,     1255 00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:25,715              his connection                      to America's kids,         1256 00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,385        and the capricious nature                    of showbiz,             1257 00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,470       Bill Cosby would soon reach     1258 00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:32,889                 a level                      of fame, wealth, and power     1259 00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:35,350               that no one                       could have imagined.        1260 00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:39,687          You know, one thing                  I remember that...          1261 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:41,106        I was at work one day,        1262 00:56:41,147 --> 00:56:43,775       and somebody was talking               about   The Cosby Show,        1263 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,278              and I said...            1264 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,281          "That guy is not as             squeaky clean as you think."     1265 00:56:50,323 --> 00:56:52,117              I didn't care                       that he had a hit.         1266 00:56:52,158 --> 00:56:53,576              I didn't care                       if it was a flop.          1267 00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:55,120        I didn't care either way.      1268 00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:57,705    I just kept thinking that he's            got everybody fooled.        160744

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