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Now, if you tell the history
of slavery right,
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you got a big problem
on your hands.
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The slave trader didn't take
some savage out of Africa.
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He took a human being.
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Now, if you want
to look history
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right straight in the eye,
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you're going to get
a black eye.
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[Kamau] Wait a minute.
Is this Bill Cosby?
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Most Hollywood films, though,
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even the early ones
weren't really nasty.
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Nobody was sitting
around saying,
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"Hey, let's take care
of the niggers."
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[Kamau] Uh, did Bill Cosby
just drop the N-bomb?
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Are we talking about
the same Bill Cosby?
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Bill Cosby's the only
Black man in America
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who could do that and more
or less get away with it.
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Napoleon once said,
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"History is a fable
agreed upon,
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and the fable agreed upon
up to now
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is that American history
is white on white."
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[Kamau] What in the critical
race theory is going on?
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ethereal percussive music
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No, Cosby was very much
a race man.
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He made that clear.
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The thing that's most evident
is his hosting
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of the 1968 special
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Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed.
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It's actually written
by Andy Rooney.
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There was a whole series
of specials that year
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by CBS called
Of Black America.
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[chuckles] It's like,
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rather than burn down
the neighborhoods,
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let's put some
Black people on TV.
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Did you know, in some states,
it used to be
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against the law to teach
Blacks to read or write?
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That special is
really powerful,
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and it was not comedic
in any way.
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It was not Cosby.
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Cosby, he literally was
being militant about stuff
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that you do not know
that they're not teaching you.
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Sometimes we did get into
the history books all wrong.
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[Renée] And what's
interesting about it is,
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he is quoting
from history books.
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He's angry.
He's disgusted.
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As for sambo...
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sambo.
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[Renée] He goes through
this litany of names.
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How about the North Pole?
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Well, the first man there
was Black--Matthew Henson.
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All these names that nobody
knows because they were Black.
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And the point he's making
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is about
the whitewashing of history.
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It talks about
how our self-image
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has been deformed
because of racism.
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For the most part,
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the Black portraits
have been drawn
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by white writers,
white producers,
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and white directors
for a white audience.
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Most Black parts were
the way white Americans
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wanted them to be.
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[Wayne] He was talking
about how it hurt him,
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that he would see these--
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and he even
went after Amos 'n' Andy,
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really came down hard
on Stepin Fetchit.
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[Cosby] The tradition
of the lazy, stupid,
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crap-shooting,
chicken-stealing idiot
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was popularized by an actor
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named Lincoln Theodore
Monroe Andrew Perry.
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Cat made two million dollars
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in five years
in the middle '30s,
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and everyone
who ever saw a movie laughed
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at Stepin Fetchit.
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Come out, come out,
wherever you is!
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This is a lot of fun,
isn't it?
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To look back
at that time, like,
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I could appreciate
this guy who was like,
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"Okay, this is
about knowledge."
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That's something
I very much appreciate
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and appreciate
about him at that time.
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Did you know that?
Huh?
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[Michael]
That to me is the touchstone,
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more than any other thing
that he's done,
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that Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed
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is the thing that
I refer back to the most.
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The burning part
of "burn, baby, burn,"
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is right here
in this classroom.
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[Kamau] Black History:
Lost, Stolen, or Strayed
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was yet another Emmy-winning
project for Bill Cosby,
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but that hard-edged
teacher persona didn't last.
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Friend Mortimer.
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[Kamau] Bill Cosby
spent the better part
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of the next decade perfecting
his specific version
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of a TV teacher,
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a moral authority,
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and this is the key part,
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being someone
that everybody could trust.
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soft dramatic music
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[band playing lively
percussive music]
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It's The New Bill Cosby Show.
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[applause]
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[Kamau] But that wasn't all
Bill Cosby did in the '70s.
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He also tried
every other job in showbiz.
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[both]
Bill Cosby.
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-You married?
-No.
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[Kamau]
Between 1969 and 1976,
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Bill Cosby had
three different TV series,
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none of which lasted,
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but three series
for a Black man in the '70s?
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That's a lot.
That ain't normal.
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Frank, will you come on!
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[Kamau]
He also spent the decade
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trying to become
a movie star,
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doing nearly a film a year.
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There's an I Spy rip-off,
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a dark comedy where he's
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an abusive asshole.
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Stop calling me Jugs.
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[announcer]
Bill Cosby is the Devil.
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Want a light?
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[Kamau]
He even plays the Devil.
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And eternal damnation
is yours!
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[Kamau]
Yep.
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soft Western music
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Look, now he's a cowboy.
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You know how much money
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that horse will bring us
just for studdin'?
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What's studdin'?
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Of course.
I got drug by the horse.
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When the horse got tired,
they tied me to a truck.
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[laughs]
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Uh...
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not really.
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All right!
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[Kamau] The films
that worked best, though,
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are a trio of movies
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with actor/director
Sidney Poitier--
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a highbrow response
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to the low budget
Blaxploitation craze.
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[Todd]
The two of them paired off.
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I mean,
it's a great combination.
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Sidney, straight,
like, corny guy
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opposite Bill is just classic.
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Same old same as old head?
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[Kamau] While these films
are definitely cult classics
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with Black folks,
they weren't big hits.
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The amount of gatekeeping
that went on
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was epic for Bill Cosby.
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You had to pass through
a million gatekeepers,
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and they all had to think
that you were not a threat
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to the white power
establishment,
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that it would not
reflect badly on them,
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in fact, that it would reflect
well on them.
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It was fucking impossible
to get shit.
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It just--the racism
was so fucking crazy.
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It was just literally like,
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"You can't have this shit!
Get away!"
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But Cosby found a way...
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Zoop-a-doop-a-doop,
boy, zoop-a-doop-a-doop.
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Mistook me for some ugly dude
with a beard and a mustache.
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[person]
I can understand how they--
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Shut up!
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-Now I forgot my line.
-[laughter]
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[Kamau] But the weird thing
about showbiz
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is that you can't control it.
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You can't force something
to be successful.
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So just think how different
Bill Cosby's life and career
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would've been if any
of those had been a hit.
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ethereal music
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Like, what if that Devil film
had been a blockbuster?
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Then Bill Cosby is forever
typecast as the Devil.
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Forever!
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[Kamau] Does that dude end up
as America's dad
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with all the power
and trust that comes with it?
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I don't think so.
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Hi! How ya doin'?
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[Kamau]
But that's not what happened.
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-Glad to see you!
-Ooh!
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[Kamau]
At the same time Bill Cosby
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is on prime time TV
and movies,
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he's also moonlighting
on kids' shows.
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[person]
Hey, you guys!
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We're gonna turn it on
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[Jamilah] In the 1970s,
you see him really leaning
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into becoming an authoritative
educational figure.
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And so the relationship
with PBS
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becomes incredibly important
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because he talking
directly to kids.
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[telephone rings]
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Hello, there, this is, uh,
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Honest John speaking to you.
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Yes, sir, we have all kinds
of used cars for sale.
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He thought that the world
would be better
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if young people, and
particularly young Black
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and brown people,
were educated.
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Okay.
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Now, as fast as you can,
along with me,
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you say Picture Pages,
Picture Pages, Picture Pages.
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No, that's not fast enough.
Now, come on.
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Picture Pages, Picture Pages,
Picture Pages, Picture Pages.
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Faster!
[stammering]
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Okay.
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This is why we loved him.
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Picture Pages,
Picture Pages
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Time to get
your Picture Pages
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[singing along]
Time to get your crayons
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And your pencils
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This was the joint!
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Picture Pages,
Picture Pages
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Open up
your Picture Pages
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Time to watch Bill Cosby
do a Picture Page with you!
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That's, like, childhood
right there.
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Like, Bill Cosby
was our teacher,
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and he was funny,
and he was silly.
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And for many of us,
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he was the first Black
educator we had access to.
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There you are, and here
I am, Professor Cosby,
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the world's greatest
living authority on rhymes.
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[Marc] 90% of the nation's
teaching force is white.
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70% of the urban teaching
force is still white.
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And back then,
it was even bigger.
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So, for many of us,
Bill Cosby on Picture Pages
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was the first
Black teacher we saw.
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-So you're seven years old?
-Yes.
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-Are you married?
-No.
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Oh.
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And he let us know that
something else was possible.
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I mean, it was
pretty important stuff.
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[Cosby]
There's nobody in here.
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[Kamau] It's funny,
not a lot of people
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remember Picture Pages.
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I remember Picture Pages.
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It was a segment of
the TV show Captain Kangaroo.
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I'd be watching
Captain Kangaroo
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on my grandmother's floor,
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and suddenly
Picture Pages came on.
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And, whoop, I was like, "Oh!"
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Listen very carefully
to every word I'm saying.
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[Kamau] He wasn't just talking
to children in general.
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He's talking to me.
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He wants me to learn.
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He wants me to be smart.
He cares about me.
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Shorter and longer.
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My friend, smiling pretty.
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[Tressie]
In the moment, it looked like
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a maturing Black celebrity
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and sort of social icon
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was just shaping
his footprint.
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You know, part of becoming
a celebrity is every celebrity
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has to have their pet cause.
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And pretty early on,
Bill Cosby had started
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to double down on the fact
that education
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was going to be his.
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[Cosby]
Hi, this is Bill Cosby.
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I'd like for you to pay close
attention to this album.
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[Kamau]
In 1971, he even released
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a Grammy Award-winning
children's album entitled
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Bill Cosby Talks to Kids
About Drugs.
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There's a track called
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"Uppers and Downers
and Their Effects,"
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and it's got groovy music
under it.
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slow, distorted
jazz music
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[voice slowing]
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And that is way more fucked up
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to listen to than
the Spanish Fly routine.
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[Kamau] But the project
from this period
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he's most remembered for
began quietly
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and under the radar in 1969.
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Hey, hey, hey!
It's Fat Albert!
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[Doug laughs]
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Fat Albert is like a bag
full of Now or Laters.
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A bag full of your favorite
Now or Laters,
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'cause it was just like
a joy headache.
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[laughs]
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Especially
for a young Black kid,
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it was like a joy headache,
it was like--
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They're in the junkyard,
they're playing music.
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Playin' hooky
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Fat Albert.
[laughs]
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It was wonderful.
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Hey, Fat Albert!
Hit me a fly!
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Every kid that I knew,
you know, Saturday morning,
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you're up, you're watching
Fat Albert.
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They would have an adventure,
and they would learn a lesson.
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It was always joyful.
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[laughing]
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[Jamilah]
Fat Albert is this kid
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based on, you know,
one of his friends
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who he grew up with
in North Philly
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while he was living
in the Richard Allen Homes.
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This is a funny take
on what it's like
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to grow up as a Black kid
in Philadelphia.
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Fat Albert was this,
you know, a neighborhood gang
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of Black kids hanging out,
doing what the kids today
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might say
regular degular stuff.
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Rudy, you're like
Thanksgiving Day at school.
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Thanksgiving Day?
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What's school on Saturday?
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No class.
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Dude, I'm a teacher.
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I do that with my students
all the time.
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[laughter]
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[Kamau] Like Doug E. Doug,
I also remember this show
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to be a joy headache,
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filled with songs,
laughs, fun lessons.
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Play it straight, gang.
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That way, you'll get
where you want to go,
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not where you don't, right?
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Right.
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We didn't have
any Black animated cartoons
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unless they were
buffooning and cooning us.
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The only Black character
we had was the Peanuts--
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we had Franklin.
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He was just a chocolate
version of Charlie Brown.
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[laughs]
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So, when you get Fat Albert,
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now you got
a whole crew of Black folk
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and not white characters
that were colored darker.
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He's the funniest dude
in the whole school.
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[Marc] These were
actual Black people!
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Mushmouth--there is no
white person named Mushmouth!
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Yeah-be, hey-be, Ruby.
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The funniest ball-be player
in-be the worbled.
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Like, these were
hood cats on TV.
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Bill Cosby gave us
new characters,
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new ideas, new identities.
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He wrote Black people
into the cartoons.
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That's what Fat Albert did,
and you learned something.
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[Kamau] This is also where
Bill Cosby really began
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to perfect his "voice
of moral authority" thing
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that we all came
to know and trust.
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Take lying. Now, you start
broadcasting lies...
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[voice echoing]
Broadcasting lies!
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And pretty soon nobody
believes anything you say.
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That just had
a strong effect--
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you know, this guy
with this Afro who, you know,
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looked and sounded
very familiar to me
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teaching this lesson
in this case about, you know,
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why it's not a good idea
to tell a lie.
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Of course, you know,
what he was doing
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off-screen
versus what he's saying,
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you know, on-screen,
are two different things.
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Hello, and the topic
is creativity...
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[Jelani]
Bill Cosby, you know, had
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the very self-possessed,
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00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,622
dignified demeanor
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of a person who, to me,
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appeared to be operating
in the world on his own terms.
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And I remember
being impressed by that.
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[host] How many of you
have seen Fat Albert?
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It is a phenomena
because...
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it's a show that preaches
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and hopefully teaches.
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That's why it is a phenomenon.
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-Your name?
-It's Brad Heberly.
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-And you watch Fat Albert.
-Mm-hmm.
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Why?
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00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:47,071
I guess I just--
I like it, it's funny.
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It's a good comedy for--
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But it also is
a little more...
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not grown-up,
but a little more mature.
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[Kamau]
Yeah, one thing kids love
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is cartoons
that are mature.
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You know, half of the fun
of life is anticipating.
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00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,965
[Kamau] Without Fat Albert,
kids like me don't grow up
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00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:08,425
loving and trusting
Bill Cosby.
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00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:11,679
We don't turn into teens who
love and trust Bill Cosby
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and then adults who love
and trust Bill Cosby.
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I just have to imagine
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that without all that
wellspring
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of good feeling for him,
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it would've changed
how so many of us reacted
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when we found out
what we found out...
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because during the same time,
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00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:30,114
when Bill Cosby was doing
everything he could to get
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00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:32,533
to the next level
of his career,
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00:16:32,574 --> 00:16:34,159
there are women
who have claimed
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that he sexually assaulted
or raped them.
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00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:38,956
And these allegations
seemed to pop up
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everywhere he was
during this time,
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from the set
of Uptown Saturday Night,
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00:16:43,377 --> 00:16:45,629
even from the set
of Picture Pages,
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at the Playboy Mansion,
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00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,384
and while he's on the road
doing comedy in Nevada.
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00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,052
apprehensive music
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00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:56,849
The Hilton hotel was where
Bill Cosby was the headliner.
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00:16:56,890 --> 00:17:00,602
And so, one day, I was looking
at the gift shop jewelry
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00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:02,771
with my sister next to me.
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00:17:02,813 --> 00:17:04,815
I think I was about 18 1/2,
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00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:07,526
and somebody came up to me
and put their arm
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00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:11,613
around my neck and said,
"Will you marry me?"
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And I turned around
to see who that was,
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00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,618
and there was Bill Cosby.
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And he invited all of us
to his show,
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00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:20,956
and then after the show,
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somebody came right over to me
and escorted me--
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I guess it was called,
like, a green room.
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00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:34,386
And then everybody was gone,
but it was only me.
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00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:38,390
And he had two white pills
in his hand, and he said--
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00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,642
and a glass of water,
and he said, "Take these."
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00:17:42,644 --> 00:17:45,189
And I didn't know what to do.
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00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:47,900
Uh, I took the pills.
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00:17:47,941 --> 00:17:52,446
405
00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:57,743
Not in a million years,
especially given his persona,
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00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:01,705
would anyone have thought
that Bill Cosby...
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00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:06,460
...would physically attack
and/or rape women
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00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:09,421
because you wanted
to hang out with him,
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00:18:09,463 --> 00:18:12,424
you wanted to...
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00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,218
sort of bask in the glow
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00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:18,013
of his relatable,
charismatic persona.
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[Kamau]
But the general public
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didn't know any of that.
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00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:24,269
We were just falling
more and more in love
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00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:25,813
with him as an educator.
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00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:29,149
You are funny, Bill Cosby.
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00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,401
[Kamau] And he worked hard
to make sure we did.
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419
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,244
inquisitive music
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00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:41,578
[Marc] Bill Cosby's
a fascinating guy,
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00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:43,747
because for all of his talk
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00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,291
about
educational achievement,
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00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:49,419
his educational journey's
real sketchy, right?
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00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:51,338
Bill Cosby attended one of the
top high schools in the city,
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00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:53,340
but he didn't graduate
from there.
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00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:54,758
He goes
to Germantown High School,
427
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,343
but he drops out.
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00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:59,221
He goes to the Navy,
and then he gets his GED.
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00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:00,848
He then goes
to Temple University,
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00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:02,516
and he's an athlete there
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00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,643
and doesn't quite finish
then either.
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00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:05,894
They eventually
give him a degree
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00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:07,646
based on his life achievement,
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00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:09,231
which to a lot of people
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00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:10,774
is just a secret-agent talk
for, like,
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00:19:10,816 --> 00:19:12,359
"You gave us a lot of money."
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00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,945
Then later on, he does go on
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00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:16,488
to get a master's degree
in education
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00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:18,574
from the University
of Massachusetts,
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00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,118
and he gets his doctorate
in education from there,
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00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,079
although there is considerable
question among some--
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00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,790
among some--about whether
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00:19:26,832 --> 00:19:29,960
he actually wrote
the dissertation or not.
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00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:31,837
I'm willing to say
that he did,
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00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,673
but the dissertation itself
is about Fat Albert.
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00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:37,509
447
00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:41,513
He's in a doctorate program
while he's doing, you know,
448
00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:43,390
all his entertainment.
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00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,142
And so there were
always questions
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00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,019
as to whether or not
this was honorary,
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00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,478
whether he did the work,
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00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,063
whether somebody else
did it for him.
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00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,401
There's a way
that he would have you think
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00:19:54,443 --> 00:19:57,196
that he is a kind of champion
of educational success,
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00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:58,989
when, in fact,
he's had as rough and rugged
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00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,866
a pathway educationally,
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00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,577
as many of the people
he criticizes.
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00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:06,079
[person] This is when you
start to see Bill Cosby
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00:20:06,121 --> 00:20:09,416
turn into Dr. Bill Cosby,
460
00:20:09,458 --> 00:20:11,043
which in the comedy community,
461
00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:14,588
people thought
was pretentious as hell.
462
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:19,051
The Ed.D. is the lowest
doctorate that you can get.
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00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:21,428
So a lot of people with Ed.D.
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00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,096
will be mad at me
for saying that,
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00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,891
but, you know,
you know what it is.
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00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:29,603
But for a PhD, like,
it's like--
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00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:32,439
it's like, you know,
468
00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,108
playing in the G League
and playing in the NBA.
469
00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,653
It's like,
"Dude, you G League.
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00:20:37,694 --> 00:20:39,321
You know,
you a basketball player,
471
00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:40,614
but you G League."
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00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:42,783
But, I mean, you know,
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00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:45,494
he was certainly
selling himself
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00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:48,455
as Dr. Cosby.
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00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,458
Two out of two doctors
recommend Coca-Cola.
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00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,961
A big, bold taste
to really refresh you.
477
00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:57,130
Two out of two doctors agree--
no prescription necessary.
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00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:59,049
You know, I was a great
basketball player
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00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,717
when I was in college.
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00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,595
One out of two doctors agree.
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00:21:03,637 --> 00:21:08,058
When I met him, he had not yet
done The Cosby Show.
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00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,977
So he was
in the Fat Albert years,
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00:21:10,018 --> 00:21:14,564
and he was getting his PhD
in education at UMass.
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00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,650
I studied
in the music department
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00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:18,110
at the
University of Massachusetts
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00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:21,655
from 1974 to 1978.
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00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,993
There was a conference
held on campus for educators,
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00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:30,122
and he was one of the featured
speakers at the conference.
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00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:33,667
And I asked, "Why are they
bringing a stand-up comedian
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00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,670
and a TV star here
to speak to educators?"
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00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:38,338
And someone said,
492
00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:41,508
"Well, he's getting
his PhD here in education."
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00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:44,845
So I was there the night
he spoke at the conference.
494
00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:49,182
I have to say that he was
very serious about education
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00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,686
in a way that was impassioned
and that I admired.
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00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:54,521
And the next day,
497
00:21:54,563 --> 00:21:56,398
I was walking
through the campus center,
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00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,235
and there was a commotion
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00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,904
in a small crowd to my right
as I walked by,
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00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,073
and I realized
he was surrounded by people
501
00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:06,867
who were seeking autographs.
502
00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:08,785
So I thought, "I'm gonna go
over, and I'm gonna tell him
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00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:10,620
how much
I appreciated his remarks,"
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00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,123
because I was studying
education myself.
505
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:16,168
I stuck out my hand
to shake his hand,
506
00:22:16,209 --> 00:22:18,337
'cause my father
taught me to do that.
507
00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:21,715
And he took my hand,
and he wouldn't let it go.
508
00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:24,718
He made a comedy routine
about it,
509
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,888
and I was blushing furiously
510
00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,639
because I didn't know
what to do,
511
00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:31,391
that this man
would not let my hand go.
512
00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:35,562
He wanted to know if
I was available that evening
513
00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,148
to go to a banquet
where he would be speaking
514
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,193
with the
Reverend Jesse Jackson,
515
00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:44,363
I didn't have any sense
that it was a date.
516
00:22:44,404 --> 00:22:47,574
I really didn't know
what was going on.
517
00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:50,202
And then he said,
"So you're a teacher?"
518
00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:53,413
And I said,
"Yes, but not exactly."
519
00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:55,123
And he said, "What do you
mean not exactly?"
520
00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,042
And I said,
"I'm really a singer."
521
00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:58,877
And he said,
"Oh, are you any good?"
522
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:02,297
And I said, "I think so,
but I'm not exactly sure
523
00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:04,216
in this moment
what to do about it."
524
00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:07,260
And he said, "Well, I know
what to do about it."
525
00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,973
"I can introduce you
to the right people.
526
00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:14,518
I know exactly what to do."
527
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,605
And, frankly, that solved
a dilemma for me.
528
00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:20,607
And, again,
I never felt like--
529
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:23,610
because of his reputation
as a family man,
530
00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:27,364
a father, married for so long,
531
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,408
it just never occurred to me
532
00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:32,953
that there might be
some ulterior motive there.
533
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:35,747
Two weeks later I was invited
to a "dinner party"
534
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,749
at his home
in Shelburne Falls,
535
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,084
and I just expected
536
00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:40,794
that I might meet part
of his family
537
00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:43,630
or I might meet other people
he wanted to introduce me to,
538
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:46,299
but we were the only people
in the house.
539
00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:49,136
My antenna went up
a little bit about,
540
00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:50,929
"This is not what I expected,
541
00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,765
I don't know
how I feel about this."
542
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,976
But I wanted to be grown-up.
543
00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:01,231
He said he was going into the
other room to mix me a drink.
544
00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:03,233
No question about
what I might like to drink,
545
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,485
nothing like that,
just in the other room.
546
00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:08,071
He came back with something
that looked like water
547
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,199
but was a lot stronger
than water.
548
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,619
It was his favorite--
he said his favorite beverage,
549
00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:18,290
but I have since learned,
he really didn't drink.
550
00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,626
And he said, "We're gonna do
an improvisational exercise."
551
00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:24,588
And I had never really had
any training as an actress,
552
00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:26,506
so I didn't know
what he was talking about.
553
00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:31,094
So he set up a whole scenario
that he wanted me to pretend
554
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,972
that I was a queen,
555
00:24:34,014 --> 00:24:36,475
but that--and this is
gonna sound very strange,
556
00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,186
it sounded very strange
to me--
557
00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,189
but that I had oatmeal
all over my face,
558
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,149
I needed to leave the room,
559
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,860
think about my face
as having oatmeal all over it,
560
00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:51,490
and then return as regally
as I possibly could with the--
561
00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:54,034
knowing the oatmeal was there.
562
00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:55,702
But he said,
"But take a couple of sips
563
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:59,956
of your drink first
because you need to relax.
564
00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:02,792
This won't work
if you're not relaxed."
565
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:03,919
So I did.
566
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,670
So I came back in the room,
567
00:25:05,712 --> 00:25:08,840
and I did that, and he said,
"You're not relaxed enough.
568
00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,468
Take another couple of sips
of your drink."
569
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,011
So I did.
570
00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,389
And I think the fourth time
we did the exercise,
571
00:25:16,431 --> 00:25:19,184
I noticed
that my balance was off,
572
00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,811
and I remember thinking,
"That's weird.
573
00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,565
I haven't even had
a half of a drink yet."
574
00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:26,900
And then the next thing
I knew,
575
00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,818
I was waking up
at two in the morning,
576
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,737
and Mr. Cosby
was standing over me.
577
00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:33,657
I was in a bed naked
under the covers.
578
00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:35,492
He was standing over me
in his bathrobe
579
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,369
with a toothbrush,
waking me up,
580
00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:39,329
telling me
that I needed to go.
581
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,588
I was very confused, Kamau.
582
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:51,883
I was also sicker than I had
ever felt in my life,
583
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,219
sick to my stomach.
584
00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:57,931
And I said to him,
"What happened?"
585
00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,475
And he said, "Oh, you threw up
586
00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,561
and passed out
in my powder room."
587
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,523
I had no recollection of that,
588
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,692
and I said,
"Where's my dress?"
589
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:11,861
And he said, "Oh, I had
to wash it.
590
00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:13,280
It's over there."
591
00:26:14,739 --> 00:26:17,409
And I believed him
because I still believed
592
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,077
in his reputation
593
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,539
and therefore believed that
I had just humiliated myself
594
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,958
utterly in front
of this famous man
595
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,585
who had offered to help me.
596
00:26:26,626 --> 00:26:29,170
I made it all about
my responsibility
597
00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:31,423
and my embarrassment
and my shame.
598
00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,800
It never occurred to me that
he'd sexually assaulted me.
599
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,304
All I thought of was,
"I just humiliated myself."
600
00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:44,227
Mr. Cosby called me after
a long absence from my life--
601
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:46,479
I really thought
he'd disappeared for good--
602
00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:49,608
and surprised me, called me,
"How are you doing?
603
00:26:49,649 --> 00:26:51,943
I'm gonna be in Atlantic City
to do a show.
604
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,446
I'm gonna be
on The Dinah Shore Show,
605
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:56,656
and I'd like you to come
'cause there's some people
606
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,116
that I'd like
to introduce you to."
607
00:26:58,158 --> 00:26:59,200
And I said, "Okay."
608
00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:00,619
You know, I wanted
to spend time
609
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,953
with this man
that kept promising
610
00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:03,747
I was either gonna get
a role in a film
611
00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,249
or I was gonna be helped in
a singing career or something,
612
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,960
so I know what my part was.
613
00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:12,047
My part was, I wanted
what he was offering.
614
00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:14,758
I didn't want everything
that he was doing,
615
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,926
but I wanted
what he was offering.
616
00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,970
We went
to The Dinah Shore Show,
617
00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,680
which was very exciting
618
00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:23,892
because she was one
of those women pioneers in TV,
619
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,727
I mean, so it was
a real honor to meet her.
620
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:29,314
And then the next morning
I woke up,
621
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,151
and my hair was a mess,
my makeup was a mess.
622
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:35,111
I was naked.
623
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:39,616
I was sick like I was
that time at his house.
624
00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:41,826
And, honestly, that
625
00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,537
and the fact that I couldn't
remember what had happened
626
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,873
were enough for me
to connect the dots
627
00:27:46,915 --> 00:27:48,541
between those two events.
628
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:52,712
And I was angry because I felt
like I'd been penetrated
629
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:56,049
while I was unconscious.
630
00:27:56,091 --> 00:28:00,011
Had no recollection of it,
but that's how it felt to me.
631
00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,390
And I got dressed,
and I stalked out
632
00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:05,558
to the living room
and confronted him
633
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,729
and asked him why
he had done what he'd done.
634
00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,316
And he told me
I was being ungrateful
635
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,318
and that I needed to leave.
636
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,531
And he also told me
Camille was arriving in town.
637
00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:21,366
"You're ungrateful.
You need to leave.
638
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,910
Camille is arriving."
639
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:28,873
So I left, and I never heard
from him again, ever.
640
00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:32,460
I do not believe that he ever
wanted or intended to help me.
641
00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,755
I felt stupid.
I felt naive.
642
00:28:35,797 --> 00:28:39,300
I felt ashamed.
I felt angry.
643
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:42,637
I had a lot of conflicting
feelings about it.
644
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:44,264
And since I thought
I was the only one,
645
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:47,600
since I felt exceedingly
stupid for letting it happen,
646
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:49,269
and since I was ashamed
647
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:53,606
and took more responsibility
for it than I should have,
648
00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:55,525
why would--
why would you talk about it?
649
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,026
Why--
650
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:59,696
And also, with his reputation
the way it was
651
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:03,783
and believing that no one
would believe me if I did,
652
00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:06,453
why would I talk about it?
653
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,917
So what happens
in sexual assault?
654
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:17,630
The first thing that happens
is a sense of confusion
655
00:29:17,672 --> 00:29:22,051
because somebody
has betrayed...
656
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:25,972
a belief...
657
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,766
that they had
about the person.
658
00:29:27,807 --> 00:29:30,518
So, if I believed
that this person was a kind,
659
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,271
upstanding man
who was gonna help me,
660
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,732
then how do I...
661
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,443
begin to accept the fact
662
00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,612
that he could do something
so horrible to me?
663
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:44,908
What does that say about him?
What does that say about me?
664
00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:48,912
What does it say about
my ability to judge people?
665
00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:53,458
And what does it say
about what value I hold?
666
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,253
This is also the purpose
of drugging a victim--
667
00:29:57,295 --> 00:29:59,672
so that they
gaslight themselves.
668
00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:02,425
They don't know
that this was premeditated,
669
00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:03,927
that there was
grooming involved
670
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:07,514
in getting her
to whatever room it was,
671
00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,474
that all this
was orchestrated intentionally
672
00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,476
for her to not have
the ability
673
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:15,313
to know that her consent
was violated.
674
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,942
When I began
to practice law...
675
00:30:18,983 --> 00:30:22,028
persons who alleged
that they were victims
676
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,697
of rape and sexual assault
677
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:28,660
were viewed with a great deal
of suspicion.
678
00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:33,039
In fact, there was even
a cautionary instruction
679
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,376
given to juries...
680
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,211
by judges
681
00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:42,590
about believing the testimony
682
00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:44,676
of rape victims.
683
00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:47,011
We have evolved from there,
684
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:51,015
but we still have
a long, long way to go,
685
00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,017
and...
686
00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:56,563
rapes by a stranger
in a dark alley
687
00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:59,023
are less common
688
00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:02,652
than rapes and sexual assaults
689
00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,280
by an acquaintance.
690
00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:08,575
[Sonalee] A predator
is someone who is--
691
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:12,203
on the face of it,
looks very charming.
692
00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:14,747
It is often someone
who understands
693
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,876
that they want to continue
harming people
694
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:20,169
but without being caught.
695
00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:22,171
And so, in order to do that,
696
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,258
a predator
would have to project an image
697
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,927
of what they want people
to believe that they are
698
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:32,724
so that they continue
to do harm behind the scenes.
699
00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:34,642
The whole culture had
a blind spot,
700
00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:37,937
and Bill Cosby kind of
operated within it, I think.
701
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:41,649
dramatic music
702
00:31:41,691 --> 00:31:43,484
[laughter]
703
00:31:43,526 --> 00:31:45,987
Up in my room, on my menu,
704
00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,114
they want
a dollar thirty-five,
705
00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:49,824
one egg, any style.
706
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:53,786
That's got to be
a hell of an egg.
707
00:31:53,828 --> 00:31:56,748
It's got to be
a hell of a chicken.
708
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,250
And I want to see
the rooster, too.
709
00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:02,420
710
00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,798
[Kamau] Bill Cosby spent
the '70s onstage a lot,
711
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,301
and one of his main spots
was Nevada,
712
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,469
not just Vegas--
713
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:11,137
Reno, and Tahoe,
714
00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:13,431
which is kind of weird,
honestly.
715
00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,143
Cosby's fourth album
is recorded in Lake Tahoe.
716
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,814
It seemed like
his favorite place to play,
717
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,734
and for those of us who play
718
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,612
Vegas or Reno or Tahoe,
719
00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:29,989
you notice
most comedian's specials
720
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,659
are not taped
any of those places.
721
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,786
They're usually
in a city somewhere
722
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,913
or on a campus somewhere.
723
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,457
So it was really
surprising to me
724
00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:42,835
that that was
his home-base audience.
725
00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,837
And to tell you the truth,
to this day,
726
00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:46,631
I don't know
what to make of it.
727
00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:49,092
dramatic music
728
00:32:53,012 --> 00:32:56,015
They call it the biggest
little city in the world.
729
00:32:56,057 --> 00:32:58,893
All the casinos
and entertainment
730
00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,728
was clustered in,
731
00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:03,940
it seemed like a four-
or five-block square area
732
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,025
in the early '80s.
733
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,944
When I moved to Reno,
734
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:11,155
I was about 22,
735
00:33:11,197 --> 00:33:13,783
and I got a job at Harrah's.
736
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,036
The weird and awkward thing
737
00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,122
about applying
for cocktail waitressing
738
00:33:19,163 --> 00:33:22,709
is you go to
the beverage manager's office.
739
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,712
You take off your jacket,
and you stand in front of him,
740
00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:28,631
and he looks you up and down,
has you turn around
741
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,176
to make sure you look right
742
00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:33,845
and sexy, I guess.
743
00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,889
And it was gross,
now that I think of it.
744
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:39,517
And he did say to me,
"I want you to keep an eye
745
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,185
on those thighs,"
746
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:42,562
looking at my thighs.
747
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,397
And I'm like, "Okay."
748
00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:47,066
And that was the end of it.
749
00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:50,111
Nowadays, he'd be so sued,
750
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,740
but I took it then,
as we all did.
751
00:33:53,781 --> 00:33:56,034
Since I worked
in one of the showrooms,
752
00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:58,745
I was fortunate enough
to meet several people there.
753
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,496
I met Smokey Robinson,
754
00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:04,208
and I met Loretta Lynn
and Wayne Newton
755
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:06,586
and it was all wow to me,
756
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:09,839
like glitz and glamour
kind of thing.
757
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:11,382
When he would come
to Harrah's,
758
00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,009
I knew of him, of course.
759
00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,886
Everybody did.
760
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:18,306
I believe he had
a long friendly relationship
761
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:20,600
with Mr. Harrah
while he was alive.
762
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:24,437
He was a big,
big draw at Harrah's.
763
00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:26,230
So what happened was,
764
00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:28,232
one of the cocktail waitresses
765
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:31,277
in the showroom said,
766
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,279
"Bill is having
a pizza party.
767
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,614
Do you want to come with me?"
768
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:36,115
And I said, "Sure."
769
00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:38,034
I thought she just wanted
770
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,536
a wingman kind of
to go with her.
771
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,789
Bill Cosby opened
the front door
772
00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,042
and greeted us.
773
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,461
I don't recall what he said--
'Hi," you know, whatever.
774
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,797
And he opened the door,
775
00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:52,799
and I realized
there was no party.
776
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,801
It was just me and Judy.
777
00:34:54,842 --> 00:34:58,096
My initial thought was,
"Well, this is kind of cool.
778
00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,264
This is Bill Cosby.
779
00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:03,851
I'll stay and have a beer
and a slice of pizza,
780
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:06,187
and then I'll, you know,
excuse myself."
781
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,439
He asked if we wanted
to play backgammon,
782
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:10,399
and I'm a little competitive,
783
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:13,069
so I'm like, "Yeah, baby,
I'll take you on."
784
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,990
And before we started,
he held out his hand,
785
00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:22,120
and I believe he said
they were Quaaludes.
786
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:25,206
I can't recall that for sure.
787
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,750
And he said, "Do you want
to take one of these?"
788
00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:31,003
And I had tried
Quaaludes before,
789
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,091
and, to me, they just made you
a little drunk
790
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,427
without getting drunk
and having a hangover.
791
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,846
And I said, "Sure."
792
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:44,433
And I took one, and he put
a second one in my hand,
793
00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,644
and he said,
"No, take two. It's okay."
794
00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,354
And he...
795
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,523
And so I thought,
796
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:53,526
"Okay, this is Bill Cosby.
797
00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,153
He must know
what he's talking about."
798
00:35:55,194 --> 00:35:57,363
I planned on staying
initially,
799
00:35:57,405 --> 00:35:58,865
like, an hour anyway,
800
00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,535
so I didn't think it was
gonna be as bad as it was,
801
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,872
and it was almost immediate.
802
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,294
We started playing the game,
and everything--
803
00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:13,421
my head...
804
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,424
everything
was getting woozy.
805
00:36:16,465 --> 00:36:20,011
And I was looking down
at the backgammon board,
806
00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,930
and I said, "This game's
not fair anymore."
807
00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,473
And he said, "Why not?"
808
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:27,518
And I go, "'Cause I can
no longer see the board."
809
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,189
And I faceplanted straight
into the backgammon board.
810
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,734
The next thing I remember
is him helping me stand up
811
00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:37,486
and walking me up the stairs
to a bedroom,
812
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:39,197
because
I couldn't really walk--
813
00:36:39,238 --> 00:36:40,656
he had to hold me,
814
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:43,576
and everything was spinning
815
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,412
and swirling and woozy--
816
00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,040
and bringing me to a bedroom.
817
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:50,917
I don't remember
getting undressed.
818
00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:52,710
I don't remember getting
into the bedroom.
819
00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,253
I don't remember any of that.
820
00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:56,255
The next thing I do remember
821
00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:59,091
was the next morning
when I woke up.
822
00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:01,719
I, first of all, was like,
"Where the hell am I?"
823
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,598
And then I knew I was naked.
824
00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,769
And he was in bed naked
next to me.
825
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:13,689
So he rolls over
and starts talking to me,
826
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:18,444
and I apologized to him
for passing out,
827
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,154
because I was embarrassed,
828
00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:21,948
and I said,
"I don't know what happened.
829
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,449
I'm so sorry."
830
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,244
And I started
grabbing my clothes,
831
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:27,328
and I got dressed.
832
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,413
And I got to the front door,
833
00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,208
and I guess he was
actually walking me out,
834
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,585
and I remember
opening the door
835
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,295
and seeing my car.
836
00:37:36,337 --> 00:37:38,297
And he stopped the door,
837
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,299
and he looked down at me,
and he goes,
838
00:37:40,341 --> 00:37:43,135
"Now, this is
between me and you."
839
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,805
And he went like this
and put his finger on him,
840
00:37:45,846 --> 00:37:47,306
like, shh, be quiet.
841
00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:48,975
And...
842
00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:52,436
I said, "I wasn't planning
on alerting the media."
843
00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:53,771
And I left.
844
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,315
The whole experience
was so mortifying,
845
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,901
not because I thought
I was raped,
846
00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,655
but because I fucked up,
I took the drugs,
847
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,784
I passed out,
you know, me, me, me.
848
00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:11,747
I was perpetuating...
849
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,209
exactly what victim blaming
does all the time,
850
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,545
but I was blaming myself.
851
00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:21,507
I was the one perpetuating
that myth
852
00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:24,927
that I did something wrong...
853
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:29,265
and therefore I got fucked...
854
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,642
in more ways than one.
855
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:35,938
[person]
Quaalude is a white pill
856
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,648
a little smaller than a dime.
857
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,526
It was synthesized
in India in 1951
858
00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:42,486
and later went
on the worldwide market
859
00:38:42,528 --> 00:38:44,572
as a sedative
or sleeping pill.
860
00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,743
Quaalude was steadily
increasing in popularity
861
00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,371
from the date
of its introduction in 1965,
862
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:56,042
and it reached peak popularity
in the United States in 1972.
863
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295
Millions and millions
of prescriptions
864
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,214
were being written
in the United States.
865
00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:03,758
It was actually routine
866
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:07,178
to combine alcohol
and Quaalude.
867
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:11,223
The effect of combining
Quaalude with alcohol,
868
00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:13,934
it would allow you
to get more
869
00:39:13,976 --> 00:39:16,729
out of both
of the substances.
870
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:18,439
I mean, it's possible that--
871
00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:20,358
and really actually
very likely
872
00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:24,695
that Cosby
was leveraging Quaalude's
873
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:29,700
somewhat rosy,
innocuous reputation...
874
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,911
because he understood
that it was the sort of drug
875
00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,496
that someone
would want to take.
876
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:34,830
I mean, this is kind of,
877
00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,458
I think, one
of the major misconceptions
878
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,461
about drug-facilitated
sexual assault,
879
00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:45,007
is this idea that
there's some boundary
880
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,968
between consensual
and nonconsensual drug use,
881
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:49,637
when it's often the case
882
00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:52,139
that people
will consensually use a drug
883
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:54,558
because they're operating
on the assumption
884
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,186
that they're not
in the presence of a rapist.
885
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,397
Someone can consent
to taking a Quaalude
886
00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,190
and consent
to having a beverage
887
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,234
but not consent to any
of the sexual activity
888
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:05,903
that might happen
when they're unconscious,
889
00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,614
because what happens
during sex
890
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,450
when we involve substances
891
00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,911
is it messes
with our ability to consent.
892
00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:17,289
I would place
an enormous amount of emphasis
893
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:19,708
on the sexual assault
894
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:23,129
and very little emphasis
895
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:25,965
on the drug use
that may accompany it,
896
00:40:26,006 --> 00:40:29,468
which I think
is largely inconsequential.
897
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,095
You know, when you go through
these medical reports
898
00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:34,140
and you look at the result
899
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,684
of urine analysis
in self-reported
900
00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:38,811
drug-facilitated
sexual assaults,
901
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:42,106
what you find
is that it's often alcohol
902
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,316
that is responsible.
903
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,986
And does that mean that
there are no date-rape drugs?
904
00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,487
No, it doesn't mean
that at all.
905
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:50,448
It means that alcohol
is a date-rape drug,
906
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,492
and every time
we place our emphasis
907
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:57,163
on some surreptitiously
administered powder
908
00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,165
that you have to guard
your drink against,
909
00:40:59,206 --> 00:41:01,459
we're forgetting the fact
that it's the drink itself
910
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,170
that is most likely
what is going to be used.
911
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,797
So I think the idea
of what is a date-rape drug
912
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:10,301
is almost like asking,
"What is a murder knife?"
913
00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:13,512
It's any knife
used by a murderer.
914
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:14,638
This is Bill Cosby.
915
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,015
Now that everybody
has told you
916
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,683
about the dangers
of doing drugs,
917
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,977
I'd like to tell you
about some of the benefits.
918
00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:21,854
Just imagine yourself
unconscious
919
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,106
making a visit
to a hospital emergency room,
920
00:41:24,148 --> 00:41:26,192
weeks in
rehabilitation centers,
921
00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,860
nights in overcrowded prisons,
922
00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:30,362
spending more money
than you can afford,
923
00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:32,448
ruining your health,
hurting your parents,
924
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,699
losing your loved ones,
925
00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,160
and, most of all,
destroying yourself.
926
00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:38,913
Remember what I say
about doing drugs--
927
00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,041
I think you can say no.
928
00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:45,085
Oh, the hypocrisy.
929
00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:47,087
"Imagine you're unconscious"
930
00:41:47,129 --> 00:41:49,173
was the first thing
that hit me.
931
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841
He should have continued,
932
00:41:50,883 --> 00:41:53,886
"Because that's
when I do my best work."
933
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:58,557
You don't often learn
that your heroes
934
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,561
are really
the worst sorts of villain.
935
00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:08,400
Like, that's not something
that's a normal experience.
936
00:42:08,442 --> 00:42:11,570
Or that this person
who you think of as a hero
937
00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:15,658
has fooled the entire country
938
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,744
about what
their character really is.
939
00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:21,747
soft music
940
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:25,167
941
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,338
It was so different.
942
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,091
I moved there in 1973.
943
00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:33,926
It was the cowboy town.
944
00:42:33,968 --> 00:42:36,554
There were maybe 60,000
or 70,000 residents
945
00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:38,222
that lived there.
946
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,058
You'd see stars
all over the place.
947
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,727
See gangsters
at Las Vegas Country Club,
948
00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,480
and one of the gals
I played tennis with,
949
00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:49,775
her brother-in-law was
Tony "The Ant" Spilotro,
950
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,027
who ended up dead
in a cornfield.
951
00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,450
That's correct.
952
00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,535
They're there for a couple
of weeks at a time.
953
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:00,953
They're performers,
954
00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:02,580
and they still want to pursue
their off day
955
00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:04,206
and have some fun.
956
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,917
And so it was not uncommon
to see people there.
957
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,212
958
00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,132
In 1981, I lived in Las Vegas.
959
00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:14,883
I was 24 years old
960
00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:18,554
and belonged
to a private tennis club.
961
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,973
The name of the club
was Cambridge Racquet Club.
962
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:24,935
It was where all the stars
that played tennis would come.
963
00:43:24,977 --> 00:43:27,313
That's where
Andre Agassi trained.
964
00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:30,649
He was about ten
when I started playing there.
965
00:43:30,691 --> 00:43:34,069
I do have an incredible
top-spin backhand
966
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,904
two-handed lob
that I use in pickleball
967
00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:37,948
and I learned straight
from Andre when he was a kid.
968
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:41,952
[applause, indistinct chatter]
969
00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:45,581
I was playing in the club
mixed doubles championship,
970
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:48,500
and the tournament director
asked, "Hey, Cosby's in town.
971
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,210
He wants to play
in the private tournament.
972
00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:51,462
Do you care?"
973
00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:54,506
[cheers and applause]
974
00:43:54,548 --> 00:43:56,175
My partner, Herman,
and I said,
975
00:43:56,216 --> 00:43:57,718
"No, we don't care.
We'll beat anybody.
976
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,928
That's all right.
Bring him on."
977
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:04,391
And that's the first time
that I met him.
978
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,060
He challenged us to a bet--
979
00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:08,771
if you
and your partner beat us,
980
00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:11,065
you can come to my show
tonight, front-row seat.
981
00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:12,608
Okay, now let's get down
to business.
982
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,109
I'm saying to my partner,
983
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:16,862
"Okay, it's time to kick
some backside now, come on."
984
00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,366
I was 100% certain
that my partner and I
985
00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,786
would beat Bill Cosby
and his partner,
986
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:25,621
and I'm going to
tell you right now,
987
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:27,831
it's the only competitive
match in my life
988
00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:30,709
that I wish I hadn't have won.
989
00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:33,379
So it was late on a Saturday.
990
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,797
My partner, Herman,
991
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,882
happened to work
at the Las Vegas Hilton
992
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,885
as the head maitre d'
in the showroom,
993
00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:41,887
so he saw acts every night.
994
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:43,806
And my extra bad luck
995
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,974
is that he was working
that night,
996
00:44:46,016 --> 00:44:47,893
so it was too late for me
to get anyone else,
997
00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,896
so I guess I'll go by myself.
998
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:53,399
When I got to the Hilton,
999
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,069
I said, "Hey, Herman, I'm here
for that front-row seat."
1000
00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:58,570
He said,
"Well, you've been invited
1001
00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,531
to go backstage
to his dressing room."
1002
00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:03,158
So someone, and I can't
describe or tell you who,
1003
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,411
took me
into the dressing room.
1004
00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,497
There was a giant array
of fruits and food,
1005
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,750
and Cosby came
on my right side
1006
00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:14,086
and handed me
a champagne flute.
1007
00:45:14,128 --> 00:45:16,672
Now, I was just a kid,
but I knew what that was.
1008
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,173
And it had
a clear liquid in it
1009
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:19,425
with something red
in the bottom,
1010
00:45:19,466 --> 00:45:21,427
and I assumed it to be fruit.
1011
00:45:21,468 --> 00:45:25,431
So I took a sip of what
I assumed was champagne,
1012
00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:26,765
and I thought, "You'd think
1013
00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,100
that he could afford
something better.
1014
00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:30,185
This is a terrible taste."
1015
00:45:30,227 --> 00:45:32,354
But I drank probably
half of it.
1016
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,107
But these are my last
three conscious memories.
1017
00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:36,608
Looking to my left--
1018
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:38,944
I can't move my body,
just my eyes.
1019
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,739
I'm thinking, "That's the
biggest cappuccino machine
1020
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,574
I've ever seen.
1021
00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:46,744
I can't believe you're kissing
me wearing your wife's--
1022
00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:49,121
an ID bracelet
with your wife's name on it,
1023
00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,874
and I didn't know
your skin would be so soft."
1024
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,127
Done.
1025
00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:57,963
I don't know how I got home.
I don't know if I drove.
1026
00:45:58,005 --> 00:46:00,883
I would find it pretty hard
to believe that I drove.
1027
00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:02,468
I went back
to the tennis club,
1028
00:46:02,509 --> 00:46:04,178
and the tournament desk
1029
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:07,806
handed me one
of the old message papers.
1030
00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:09,892
Here, "Cosby called.
He wants you to call him."
1031
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,393
So I did call,
1032
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,438
and I was going to give him
a piece of my mind,
1033
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,148
but I never got
those words out
1034
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:18,650
because he was so skilled.
1035
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,489
He said, "I'm sorry about
what happened last night.
1036
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:27,326
I guess I got the wrong idea
of what you wanted
1037
00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:29,578
because you drank too much."
1038
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,416
And suddenly, I feel this big.
1039
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:37,586
He also said, which hasn't
been talked about much,
1040
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,087
"Let me make it up to you.
1041
00:46:39,129 --> 00:46:41,006
You didn't get to see
the show.
1042
00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,509
Come back tonight between
the first and second show.
1043
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:45,010
I don't have any friends.
1044
00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:47,137
Everybody just thinks
I'm a star,
1045
00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,348
and I just want to play
backgammon."
1046
00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:50,933
And I fell for it.
1047
00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:53,977
I went.
1048
00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,021
I didn't--I said, "I'm not
drinking when I'm there,"
1049
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,689
because, remember, he told me
I had drank too much,
1050
00:46:57,731 --> 00:46:59,733
and so, of course,
I'm gonna believe it.
1051
00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,444
He's an old Bill Cosby.
What do I know?
1052
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:05,531
I'm just a kid
that must have made a mistake.
1053
00:47:05,572 --> 00:47:08,575
So I just assumed
he was right.
1054
00:47:08,617 --> 00:47:12,412
Naive, drank too much...
1055
00:47:12,454 --> 00:47:15,707
but I know better now.
1056
00:47:15,749 --> 00:47:18,335
We played backgammon.
He stood up.
1057
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,629
"Okay, I got to go get ready
for the show."
1058
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:23,549
I stood up, expecting
to be taken to a seat,
1059
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:25,926
and he grabbed on to me
1060
00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:28,720
and was trying to kiss me,
but now I'm sober.
1061
00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,097
He had an erection.
1062
00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,224
It was pressed
right up against me,
1063
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:34,393
I got away from him.
1064
00:47:34,434 --> 00:47:36,061
I mean, he's bigger than me,
1065
00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:40,023
but I was able
to fend him off.
1066
00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:41,567
And I went home, going,
1067
00:47:41,608 --> 00:47:44,570
"Well, he has certainly shown
who he is."
1068
00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:46,363
And someone said, "Why didn't
you go to the police?"
1069
00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:48,240
I didn't know adultery
was against the law.
1070
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,658
That's what I thought.
1071
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,243
That's all I thought.
1072
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,663
That's all I thought.
1073
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,081
I don't know what happened.
1074
00:47:56,123 --> 00:47:58,083
I didn't wake up in his bed.
1075
00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,960
I don't have trauma
1076
00:48:00,002 --> 00:48:03,380
of precise rape.
1077
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:06,174
I don't know what happened,
but I know something happened.
1078
00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:09,887
Kissing me without my
permission is sexual assault.
1079
00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:11,722
Now, would I want
to get hypnotized?
1080
00:48:11,763 --> 00:48:13,140
You remember what that was?
1081
00:48:13,181 --> 00:48:14,182
Hell, no.
1082
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:21,607
[Madame] What is it?
Bill Cosby: Himself.
1083
00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:23,150
-Yes.
-If it ain't you, who is it?
1084
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,444
Well, it depends
on who's in the room.
1085
00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:26,904
[laughter]
1086
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:28,906
Madame, I want to thank you
for doing that,
1087
00:48:28,947 --> 00:48:30,198
but I feel a little silly.
1088
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,492
I didn't come here tonight
to push my album.
1089
00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,036
-Oh, well...
-Yeah
1090
00:48:34,077 --> 00:48:35,704
...it's almost as silly
as selling Coca-Cola,
1091
00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,623
computers, and Jell-O,
isn't it?
1092
00:48:39,249 --> 00:48:41,251
[Kamau] There was
a stand-up-comedy boom
1093
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:44,004
in the '70s that only got
bigger in the '80s.
1094
00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:47,049
Stand-up comics were becoming
as big as rock stars.
1095
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,927
Steve Martin, Richard Pryor,
George Carlin,
1096
00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,804
and eventually Eddie Murphy.
1097
00:48:52,846 --> 00:48:55,474
And stand-up was also
becoming way more X-Rated.
1098
00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:56,975
Hope no one gets offended.
1099
00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,020
I want to talk about fucking.
1100
00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,355
This is where you do
your best fucking,
1101
00:49:01,396 --> 00:49:03,231
when you just start
to learn your body
1102
00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:06,777
and getting all your shoulders
in on the fucking.
1103
00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,236
[Kamau] Bill Cosby
was still releasing
1104
00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:09,571
G-rated comedy albums.
1105
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:21,667
But these weren't celebrated
like his earlier albums.
1106
00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:24,503
It seemed like stand-up
comedy was passing him by,
1107
00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:27,130
and also, comedy was moving
away from the album
1108
00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:28,757
to something bigger.
1109
00:49:28,799 --> 00:49:31,551
HBO specials are starting
to happen.
1110
00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:33,178
Robert Klein
was the first one,
1111
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,138
and then Carlin jumped on,
1112
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:38,100
and then, of course, Pryor
comes out with this film,
1113
00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:40,394
Richard Pryor:
Live in Concert.
1114
00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:43,063
Even though HBO had already
done some comedy specials,
1115
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,691
this was, like,
the high water mark.
1116
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:48,819
Richard Pryor had had success
taping his stand-up
1117
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,238
and releasing them
in movie theaters.
1118
00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:53,365
What you taking
my picture for?
1119
00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,158
Who you gonna show it to?
1120
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,036
Sit your ugly ass down.
1121
00:49:58,078 --> 00:50:01,123
[Renée] And that really built
up Richard Pryor's career.
1122
00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,792
[Wayne]
I think Bill Cosby was like,
1123
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:05,335
"Oh, you think you know
1124
00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:08,839
how to do a single-person
comedy special?
1125
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,924
Guess what.
Watch the master."
1126
00:50:12,384 --> 00:50:15,053
[Kamau]
Bill Cosby: Himself--
1127
00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,222
If you're a true comedy fan,
1128
00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:21,226
you can tell that this dude
is a master at his craft.
1129
00:50:21,268 --> 00:50:22,728
[cheers and applause]
1130
00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:25,564
Even the best comics
you think of right now
1131
00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,735
can't just sit down
in a chair and kill.
1132
00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,738
First of all, in stand-up,
when you see comics sit down,
1133
00:50:32,779 --> 00:50:35,073
we be like, "You ain't--
Who are you?
1134
00:50:35,115 --> 00:50:38,118
Motherfucker, you ain't
Bill Cosby, motherfucker.
1135
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,455
Boy, am I glad
to be back here.
1136
00:50:41,496 --> 00:50:43,206
[Godfrey]
Bill Cosby sat down
1137
00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,125
and had the microphone
on his knee.
1138
00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:48,045
Are you fucking kidding me?
1139
00:50:48,086 --> 00:50:51,089
[person] He's doing TV shows.
He's doing movies.
1140
00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:52,382
He's doing cartoons.
1141
00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,259
All those other things
are fine,
1142
00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:58,221
but with Bill Cosby: Himself,
he gets back to the roots.
1143
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,225
This is the transition
from young Cosby,
1144
00:51:02,267 --> 00:51:06,354
like, the athlete,
to, oh, I'm the dad.
1145
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,107
He's not the sexy guy
in I Spy.
1146
00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,526
He's not
sort of the cool uncle.
1147
00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,028
[Renée]
He comes out wearing glasses.
1148
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:16,948
He's a lot fleshier
than he was in I Spy.
1149
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,785
Middle age is starting
to show in Bill Cosby.
1150
00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:22,788
He didn't come out
in the leather suit.
1151
00:51:22,829 --> 00:51:24,790
It wasn't the swagger.
1152
00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:27,793
[Renée] The stage
is completely sparse.
1153
00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,461
Part of it's to keep
the focus on him.
1154
00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,421
You're not getting distracted
by anything else.
1155
00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,048
You're just listening
to what he's saying.
1156
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,966
[laughter]
1157
00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:36,760
It's a lot of his
observational humor
1158
00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:38,929
in the most conversational
kind of way.
1159
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,640
Like, you don't even feel like
you really watching stand-up.
1160
00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,642
[Kamau] There are bits
in this special
1161
00:51:43,683 --> 00:51:45,769
that people
are still talking about.
1162
00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:48,021
Chocolate cake, coming up!
1163
00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:50,774
Four slices.
[imitates blade slicing]
1164
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,859
Daddy's great
1165
00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:58,532
Give us
the chocolate cake
1166
00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:02,828
And we had a ball until...
1167
00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:09,751
[Kamau]
And the bit from this special
1168
00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:12,671
that everybody remembers
is the dentist.
1169
00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:17,634
[Cosby]
Dentists...
1170
00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:20,095
tell you not
to pick your teeth
1171
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:24,182
with any sharp metal object.
1172
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:25,934
Then you sit in their chair.
1173
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:28,687
[chuckles]
1174
00:52:28,728 --> 00:52:32,274
Now the dentist
pulls out a needle.
1175
00:52:32,315 --> 00:52:34,151
This is to deaden in the pain.
1176
00:52:34,192 --> 00:52:37,195
[laughs]
1177
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,531
Now, a regular doctor
giving you a shot will go...
1178
00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:41,324
[imitates needle plunging]
And that's it.
1179
00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,534
Sound effects.
1180
00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,202
Dentists don't do that.
They go...
1181
00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:46,079
[imitates needle plunging]
1182
00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:52,377
So the dentist comes back.
You want to talk to him.
1183
00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:54,379
So you say...
1184
00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:58,216
[mumbling comically]
1185
00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,718
"I beg your pardon."
1186
00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:04,055
[mumbling comically]
1187
00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,057
Yeah, he got it.
He's covering it all.
1188
00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:08,643
I love how he would imitate
1189
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:11,146
a conversation
between two people.
1190
00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:14,065
[mumbling comically]
1191
00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:21,990
[Kamau]
This bit became so huge,
1192
00:53:22,032 --> 00:53:25,410
Bill Cosby could still close
on it 20 years later.
1193
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:28,330
The Cosby dental joke is so...
1194
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:31,499
so solid
in our American culture
1195
00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:34,711
that if you do a dental joke,
it better be so different
1196
00:53:34,753 --> 00:53:35,921
'cause a motherfucker be like,
1197
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,256
"That's Cosby, man.
Switch up."
1198
00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:39,883
[Kamau]
He's talking about his wife.
1199
00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:41,343
He's talking about his kids.
1200
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,094
He's talking
about being a dad,
1201
00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:45,347
stuff a lot of comics
talk about,
1202
00:53:45,388 --> 00:53:47,432
but it's the way
he's talking about it.
1203
00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,434
You get just as angry
with a child,
1204
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:51,478
and you don't want to say,
"But what the filth?
1205
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,730
And I'll bust your filth
and foul,
1206
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:55,565
and I'll filth your face,
1207
00:53:55,607 --> 00:53:57,150
and, yeah,
you filth and foul,
1208
00:53:57,192 --> 00:54:00,320
foul, filth and I'll filth in
your foul, filth."
1209
00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:03,657
As banal as all
of the subjects are,
1210
00:54:03,698 --> 00:54:07,494
the level
of comedic brilliance
1211
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:10,413
as far as a performance goes
for Cosby
1212
00:54:10,455 --> 00:54:12,290
is really underrated
1213
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:16,127
because he's not doing
anything shocking in any way.
1214
00:54:16,169 --> 00:54:19,256
I think there's one bit
of profanity in it.
1215
00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:21,091
He uses the word "asshole,"
1216
00:54:21,132 --> 00:54:23,510
but he uses it in a way
1217
00:54:23,551 --> 00:54:25,804
that the audience
will forgive.
1218
00:54:25,845 --> 00:54:29,474
I said, "Tell me, you know,
what is it about cocaine
1219
00:54:29,516 --> 00:54:31,476
that makes it so wonderful?"
1220
00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:33,979
And the guy said, "Well...
1221
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,982
it intensifies
your personality."
1222
00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:41,820
And I said, "Yes, but
what if you're an asshole?"
1223
00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:47,993
[Kamau]
And Bill Cosby does the thing
1224
00:54:48,034 --> 00:54:50,328
that after the success
of this film,
1225
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,831
comics would repeatedly try
to replicate.
1226
00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:54,833
He's using his special
1227
00:54:54,874 --> 00:54:58,211
to pitch his next idea--
his TV show.
1228
00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:00,171
Latter half of that film,
1229
00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,173
it's all about
being a family man,
1230
00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:05,260
but especially being a father
of five children.
1231
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,429
Our children enjoy
their dinner
1232
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:10,932
because my wife allows them
to listen to their music.
1233
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:14,352
So, if you get to...
[imitates bass line]
1234
00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:17,105
And the children eat,
and they...
1235
00:55:17,147 --> 00:55:18,565
[Kamau]
Sound familiar?
1236
00:55:22,777 --> 00:55:24,863
I don't look at them.
I just keep...
1237
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:29,909
[Renée] He's giving you
the befuddled father.
1238
00:55:29,951 --> 00:55:32,162
You know, all these things are
kind of happening around him,
1239
00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:34,122
and he's just trying
to hold body and soul together
1240
00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:35,707
without killing his children.
1241
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:40,378
Also, people with one child
do not have to go through--
1242
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:43,548
will you stop touching me?
1243
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,009
I mean, if you got one child
and the child's doing that,
1244
00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:48,345
then you got to take it away,
you know?
1245
00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:50,972
[Kamau] Somewhere, a TV exec
watched this and thought,
1246
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"Hmm, is America ready
1247
00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,727
for a new
Black family sitcom?"
1248
00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,355
Bill Cosby's genius is that
1249
00:55:58,396 --> 00:56:02,776
he took just this
everyday mundane stuff
1250
00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:05,820
and literally crafted
1251
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:10,075
this whole comedy aura
around it.
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00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:16,039
[Kamau] If Bill Cosby's
career had ended that night,
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00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,917
he would've been cemented
as one of the greats.
1254
00:56:18,958 --> 00:56:23,046
But because of his
relentlessness in the '70s,
1255
00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:25,715
his connection
to America's kids,
1256
00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,385
and the capricious nature
of showbiz,
1257
00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,470
Bill Cosby would soon reach
1258
00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:32,889
a level
of fame, wealth, and power
1259
00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:35,350
that no one
could have imagined.
1260
00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:39,687
You know, one thing
I remember that...
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00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:41,106
I was at work one day,
1262
00:56:41,147 --> 00:56:43,775
and somebody was talking
about The Cosby Show,
1263
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,278
and I said...
1264
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,281
"That guy is not as
squeaky clean as you think."
1265
00:56:50,323 --> 00:56:52,117
I didn't care
that he had a hit.
1266
00:56:52,158 --> 00:56:53,576
I didn't care
if it was a flop.
1267
00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:55,120
I didn't care either way.
1268
00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:57,705
I just kept thinking that he's
got everybody fooled.
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