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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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Britney! Britney! Britney!
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When I was 8,
my mom realized I could sing.
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I've always wanted to sing.
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It's just something
I've always wanted to do.
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Five, six, seven, eight, nine...
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It's not just luck.
Everybody needs a little bit of luck.
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But it's literally an Olympian level
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of talent and hard work
that goes into that.
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Everything about her
was strong and fearless.
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I mean, there was no stopping her.
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It all exploded
after Britney became famous.
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Suddenly,
she was spiraling out of control,
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and it was clear she was having a crisis.
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Are you concerned
for your daughter, Mr. Spears?
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What began
as temporary control over her life
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and her money and her business
became permanent.
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They felt they had to do it
to protect Britney.
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Britney is no longe r a free person.
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She doesn't have basic human rights.
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She can't write a check
or have a credit card.
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If she doesn't behave,
she loses custody of her kids.
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There's other people that've tried
to help. They've paid a heavy price.
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She is limited
on how she can voice her wishes.
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I just want my life back.
And it's been 13 years and it's enough.
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All right, so let's do
our least favorite thing in the world,
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which just means
calling random strangers and saying,
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"Hey, can you talk to me
about Britney Spears?"
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Hi, Kim, my name is Erin Lee Carr,
and I'm a documentary filmmaker.
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I'm directing a project about Britney.
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Two years ago, I began making
a movi e about Britney Spears
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with journalist Jenny Eliscu.
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Hey, this is Jenny Eliscu.
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I'm not sure if you remember me
from, uh, years ago.
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We met when I was working
on a Rolling Stone article about Britney.
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The movie was going to be about
her artistry and the media portrayal.
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And can someone say wow
to those dance moves?
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But the story was also about power
and control.
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Full of conspiracy and rumors.
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And no one would talk.
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Until they did.
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I was 10 when Britney came on the scene.
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I remember grabbing the CD with a flower
on it that's Baby One More Time
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and putting it into my boombox.
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You know, my dad would knock on the door.
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And he said, "Why are you listening
to this over and over again?"
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I was obsessed.
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♪ Hit me, baby, one more time ♪
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Britney! Britney!
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I love her.
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At 16 years old, Britney was
a sensation and she was no one-hit wonder.
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From 1998 to 2003, her worldwide
record sales totaled over $73 million.
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Britney had a work ethic like none other,
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but she's never been motivated by money.
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She just was doing something she loved.
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She was in control
and involved in every process.
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I'm open to ideas. If they come up with
something better, then heck, I'll do it.
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She was like, "I'm the boss.
I'm gonna do what I want."
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You can see,
like, that girl is just on fire.
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♪ I'm a slave for you ♪
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The best thing about
being famous is knowing that, financially,
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I'll be able to support my family,
no matter what.
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Britney Spears!
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By 2004, she was one of the biggest
selling female artists of her generation.
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Hit after hit.
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The world couldn't get enough of Britney.
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Then, suddenly,
Britney stopped making music.
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She fell in love with a backup dancer,
Kevin Federline.
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On a transatlantic flight,
Britney proposed to Kevin.
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They got married
and quickly had two children.
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But two years later, the marriage was over
and Britney had filed for divorce.
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It's the biggest news in the country,
ladies and gentlemen.
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Britney Spears is leaving K-Fed!
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Confetti!
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Britney was out on the town,
looking as confident as ever.
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Now hopefully,
with her divorce almost finalized,
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she would get back to performing for us.
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But what seemed like the beginning
of her regaining control...
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was really the end.
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The very first time
I was assigned Britney,
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she was in the middle
of this divorce with Kevin.
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I was working for an agency, okay?
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They gave me the address.
They said, "Sit outside the house."
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"When she comes out, follow her."
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My job was to take pictures of her, right?
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That period, I was a photographer,
and, you know, I was good at it.
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I excelled
and I learned the job real quick.
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This is a job for adrenaline junkies
and those with a gambling addiction.
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There's nothing sexier
than waking up and they say,
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"This is your assignment."
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You open it up and don't know who it is.
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Male, female,
actor, singer, sports celebrity.
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So, as a photographer,
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you can get a few hundred thousand dollars
for a picture of Britney.
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At the time of the divorce,
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Britney was relentlessly chased
by the paparazzi.
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At the same time,
she had friendships with some of them.
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Beautiful.
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One night, the agency calls me
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and tells me
the gas station that Britney's at.
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I drive down there.
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At the gas station,
everyone's taking pictures.
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Twenty dollars' worth of gas.
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She was having problems
with the gas.
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You want me to fill it?
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I asked Britney, "Can I help you?"
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So I start doing it.
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And then, one day a photographer calls me
and says, "Britney's asking for you."
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"What do you mean, she's asking for me?"
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Then another photographer calls me
who doesn't know the first photographer.
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And he's like,
"Hey, bro. Britney's asking for you."
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- Where's...? You, come here.
- Back it up.
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She felt better if I was present.
She felt safer.
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Those are her words, not mine.
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Where's Adnan?
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He's off.
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He's out today.
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I'll let him know.
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It was a very simple,
very easy relationship, you know?
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But between her fans and everybody else,
it was like I was the bad guy.
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Oh, my Lord.
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Like that Disney story,
you always want the Prince Charming to be
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as equally as attractive and equally
as beautiful and equally as charming.
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We didn't have that balance.
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There was this multimillionaire and me.
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And then there was this famous girl,
and then there was me.
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There was this white girl,
and there was me.
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There were nights where she was up
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and I had to stay up with her,
and it's hard.
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To stay up for three days, it's hard,
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but you have that fear,
it's a very real fear,
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that if anything happens to her,
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they're just gonna blame you.
It's just so much easier to blame you.
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She was taking Adderall.
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I'm sure x-amount of millions of people
are taking Adderall.
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But these are the things
that become volatile and deadly weapons
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when you're going through
a child custody case.
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Hi, Adnan, how are you?
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Are you okay? Are you guys in love?
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What was apparent to me
during this divorce with Kevin
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was, you know, she never had one person
she could trust, not one.
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Not Mom, not Dad,
not friends, not her sister.
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Anybody.
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And that's a very scary, dark place to be.
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The hearing this afternoon had to do
with a continued interim,
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or temporary order,
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that was based on Mr. Federline's
original request to modify custody.
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Hold on. Hey, hey.
Get back. Get back, sir.
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- You guys have got to get back.
- Britney!
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We love you, Britney!
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By 2007, Britney's divorce
from Kevin was heating up.
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What many thought would be a simple case,
guided by a strong prenuptial agreement,
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now seemed to be in question.
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Ironclad prenup's a little bit like
the Titanic could never sink.
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For every ironclad prenup,
there's a group of attorneys out there
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that will try to tear it apart.
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Mark Vincent Kaplan,
he's the K-Fed lawyer.
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He's like this kind of old guard,
bigtime custody lawyer
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you might call
in a contentious divorce custody case.
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He seemed to love being the spokesperson
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for this high-profile divorce
and custody case.
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And he definitely has a flair
for making a public statement.
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The ultimate attack is,
how are the children doing?
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How safe are the children?
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The kids become just pawns.
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Kevin is concerned that the more time
that the children are with him,
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he feels the more insulated
they are from, uh...
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risks that would otherwise be
constantly visited upon them.
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People that care about the children
will provide information
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that is relevant to their best interest.
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There's nothing new, no new facts,
there's not an emergency?
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All of those things are true.
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I'd represented high-profile people
and celebrities before,
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but this was an order of magnitude far
different than anything I'd experienced.
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And I had to hit the deck running
and learn how to work with the media
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so that they weren't working
against my client.
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Kevin had been treated pretty unfairly.
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They were saying,
"He's an unconcerned parent."
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Other people were saying,
"Oh, he's just merely a gold digger."
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He was in a position
of not being able to win.
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Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
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People wanted to sort of speak ill
of him or use him as a joke.
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Why'd you think that was?
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Well, keep in mind when Kevin
and Britney first got married,
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she was America's sweetheart.
And in many respects, she still is.
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And they saw Kevin as someone
who in their view, whoever "their" is,
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wasn't worthy of having that unique
relationship with America's sweetheart.
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They attempted to penalize him for that
as much as they could and they...
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The press was brutal.
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But as the case progressed,
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um, I think she did certain things
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that the press found worthy
of a media frenzy.
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As the custody case was battled out
in court, the media frenzy only grew.
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Everyone seemed to have opinion
about Britney Spears.
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The media focused less on her music
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and more on the way
that she was living her life.
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Britney cycled through legal teams,
and became more and more isolated.
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There was a period of estrangement
between Britney and both of her parents
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by fall of 2007.
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I don't know how long
the estrangements were, where...
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Whether there was maybe
sporadic communication,
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but some sources I spoke to
talked about Britney
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having a fear
that her family would barge in,
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I think is how it was put,
and take everything.
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I mean, and that's, you know,
that's how-slash-when Sam Lutfi got in.
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Who is Sam Lutfi?
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Sam Lutfi is the person
frequently blamed by both of her parents
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for her public downfall.
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There was a lot of controversy
around Sam Lutfi
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and what role he played
in this brief period of Britney's life.
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First question.
Can you please introduce yourself to us?
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- Uh, I'm Sam Lutfi.
- And who are you?
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I'm Britney Spears's former manager.
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But in court documents
newly discovered from Britney's divorce,
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she testified that he was
just her "friend sometimes."
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Somebody who helped "get groceries."
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In that time period,
he went from being the sometimes friend
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to somebody calling the shots.
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We met at a bar. We started talking.
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She was very funny.
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Uh, we had a great conversation.
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Um, she had asked me
if I'd seen things that were in the press.
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I said, "Of course. Like, who hasn't?"
You know, making light of the situation.
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She asked for my phone number.
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And then left and I never thought
I was gonna hear from her again.
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Then I get a call from her one night
and she tells me,
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"I need your help."
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Hey, guys. Just be careful.
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Just clear this side for a second.
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You could see
that the divorce was impacting her a lot.
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And my question to her the whole time was,
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"I think the best thing would be
to have your family around."
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"There's nothing
like having your mom around."
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That's how it is in my life,
but I was just projecting that onto that.
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Um, and she would just say,
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"My relationship is not like
your relationship with your family."
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I thought, "What's the issue?"
And so she would...
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We would talk about Lynne,
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uh, in depth.
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So there was numerous issues
that were going on.
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And how was
her father Jamie involved?
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Not at all.
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Was it a short amount of time,
a long amount of time?
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Uh, from what I believe, it's been years.
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In the eye of the storm
that was 2007,
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Britney was still able to record
and produce an entire studio record.
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♪ It's Britney, bitch ♪
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The album was Blackout
and it sold in the millions.
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It is widely considered her best work.
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The music and the videos
from Blackout portrayed a pop-y version
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of what had become
the story of Britney's real life.
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A woman hunted and often on the run.
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This would foreshadow
a much darker turn for Britney.
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There are paparazzi images
of Britney in 2007
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that have been seen millions of times.
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These images are often coupled
with headlines like,
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"Meltdown" or "Rock Bottom."
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Looking back,
you can see she was just a person,
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a person who needed help.
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Throughout that year, paparazzi continued
to follow Britney aggressively
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around Los Angeles.
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She's crazy.
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Oh, my God.
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She drove at high speeds
to avoid them,
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sometimes running red lights.
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There were concerns
that if these car chases continued,
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something terrible could happen.
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A lot of people argue
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that she was crazy, right?
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You know, and I fucking hate that word.
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Would you say she was upset,
would you say she was angry,
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or would you say she was hurt?
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I'd choose all of them
before I'd choose crazy.
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In January 2008,
police were called to Britney's residence.
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She had locked herself in a room,
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refusing to turn over the children
to Federline's bodyguard
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at the court appointed time.
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Listen up!
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Cedar Sinai, this is their property,
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including the sidewalk
that you are standing on.
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I need to you to move.
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At the hospital there was Kevin,
Mark Vincent Kaplan, his lawyer,
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and Britney's father.
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Britney's parents had been divorced
since 2002.
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Britney was so close
with her mother.
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When we were on tour,
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I mean, she and Lynne talked at least...
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Oh, gosh. At the very least,
two or three times a day.
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And what about her dad, Jamie?
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Okay, I don't wanna talk about her daddy.
I don't wanna talk about Jamie.
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Um...
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The reason I don't...
I will tell you this just so we'll know.
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Jamie wasn't with us very often,
hardly ever.
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Um, so it really was me and Lynne.
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A few days after Britney
was released from the hospital,
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a new figure emerged.
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Her name was Louise Taylor.
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And she went on The Today Show
as a spokesperson for the Spears family.
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What I would like to say is that
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I really feel like people
just do not know the Spears family.
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What they don't know about Jamie
and Lynne Spears is that every day,
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Jamie goes to work as a professional chef,
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asking the Lord to give him the strength
to honor the people he works for
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in the midst of circumstances,
that Lynne Spears is a mother
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that is brokenhearted just because
she's apart from her daughter.
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She loves her daughter so much.
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And again, asking every day
for God to give her strength
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and for her to continue to have hope.
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I mean, I'm so disturbed, Meredith,
where we've gotten to be as a people,
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the morbidity of us watching
the depravity of people suffering,
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than to rally around and be hopeful.
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So, really, for, I guess, for me
to be self-indulgent for a moment,
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that I would really hope that all those
who seek God for strength in their life
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would be interceding for this family
because Jamie Spears,
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Lynne Spears, Bryan, and Jamie Lynn Spears
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are all amazing people.
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From what I'd seen, no one had ever
spoken on behalf of the Spears.
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Who is Lou Taylor?
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I will not touch that one.
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Sorry.
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She will chew me up
and spit me out.
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The custody suit grew
more contentious
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when the judge gave Kevin Federline
full custody of the two boys.
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Soon thereafter,
Britney would return to the hospital
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under another
involuntary psychiatric hold.
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Mr. Spears, what's going on?
How's Britney doing?
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Can you give us any word,
any news on Britney?
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Jamie Spears petitioned
the State of California probate court
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for a new legal arrangement.
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It was called a conservatorship.
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I started working
at Rolling Stone in '99.
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Britney was my second-ever cover story.
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I didn't give a shit about Britney Spears
or pop music personally.
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It's not something
I paid attention to at all.
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Then I met her,
and she was just so likable and sweet.
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So, in late 2008, when I was assigned
to do another cover story
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on Britney for Rolling Stone,
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I was excited 'cause I love her
and hadn't seen her in a few years.
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And in spite of all of the drama,
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I was just picturing it the same way
it always would be,
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and, you know, went to L.A.
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ready to spend some time
and started to get told by the label
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that I'd have to submit
my questions ahead of time.
348
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I said to the publicist,
"But it's me, me and Britney."
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And she would say, "Oh, you know,
we know Britney loves you,
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but we just...
The conservatorship, we've got to."
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I was like,
"What the fuck is a conservatorship?"
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A conservatorship is a legal process
for taking somebody's ability
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to make their own decisions away from them
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and giving them to some third party,
aka their conservator,
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or in other states, it's the guardian.
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Obviously, any process
to deprive someone of those liberties
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and those freedoms would be something
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we'd want to impose very rarely,
only as a last resort,
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having tried
and exhausted all other alternatives.
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Some people have called conservatorship
tantamount to a civil death.
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There's conservatorship of the person,
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which is allowing someone else
to make your decisions
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related to your personal affairs.
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They lose the ability to decide
anything related to their healthcare,
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so their ability to provide
or withhold informed consent
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for treatments, including drugs,
is taken away from them.
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And, in many cases, they lose their right
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to decide who to visit with
or receive visits from.
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They lose their right to communicate
with people of their choosing
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over the telephone, over the computer.
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For a conservatorship of the estate,
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which often goes
with the conservatorship of the person,
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they're no longer in charge
of their money,
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theoretically, even the $10
they might have in their pocket.
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Jamie was made
the sole conservator of the person.
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He had to share
the conservatorship of the estate
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with a court-appointed attorney
named Andrew Wallet.
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You had Jamie who had bankruptcy issues
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and financial mismanagement
of his own life,
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and they said, "We have Andrew Wallet
here as the co-conservator,
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and has a fiduciary interest,"
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but in court documents,
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he talked about the conservatorship
as being a "hybrid business model."
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According to the papers filed
with the court on February 6, 2008,
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the conservators have access
to all documents and records
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related to Britney's estate.
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They can enter and take possession
of her house, kick people out,
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they can issue restraining orders,
and employ security guards,
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they can use Britney's money
to pay attorneys for matters
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involving the estate,
open and operate businesses,
391
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hire people for any position necessary,
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and pay them using funds from the estate.
393
00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:51,526
Why was Jamie made the conservator
and not Lynne?
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Jamie is intimidating,
and people who have known him
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and met him and worked with him,
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and even had positive experiences
with him,
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will still tell you
that he is very intimidating
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and when he's angry,
you don't want to mess with him.
399
00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:07,167
They were really in a moment
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where they felt they needed
to keep away certain people,
401
00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:13,840
and he was like the bouncer.
He could keep people out.
402
00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:16,384
Here we've got...
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00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,554
Larry Rudolph,
Britney's longtime manager.
404
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:24,017
He started in 1996 as her attorney
and then grew into her manager.
405
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,187
But, uh, in April of 2007,
Britney fired him.
406
00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:32,734
Larry was the main person
that Jamie Spears brought back
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00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:35,695
to get things running,
and he's been her manager ever since.
408
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,907
And he often will say
that he's not involved
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00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:42,202
with the conservatorship
or that he doesn't know what goes on,
410
00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:44,663
that he only knows
what goes on with Britney's work.
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00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,669
Louise Taylor, aka Lou,
led business decisions at times
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over the course of the conservatorship.
413
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,507
Louise Taylor's husband, Rob Taylor,
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is the pastor
of a church called Calvary Chapel.
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00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:02,764
Lou Taylor started appearing
around 2008,
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before the conservatorship.
417
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:08,520
And we know this because
there is paparazzi footage of her
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with Britney's father, Jamie.
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And then she somehow managed
to become Britney's business manager.
420
00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:24,703
She is a Christian, so they trusted her
a lot more because of that.
421
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,415
Lou Taylor,
through her attorney Charles Harder,
422
00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:30,583
sent me a pre-emptive legal letter
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regarding any mention of Lou Taylor
or her company, Tri Star, in this film.
424
00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,758
The letter was extensive.
425
00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,708
When I got this notice, I was alarmed.
426
00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:15,378
But receiving a letter
from Lou Taylor or her attorney
427
00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:18,673
was not unusual
for people involved in the story.
428
00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:23,344
While Lou's involvement
with Britney wasn't clear,
429
00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:27,348
what was apparent was
that Jamie and Lou were very close.
430
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,935
Some sleuthing of Instagram
showed Lou and her husband
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00:29:31,019 --> 00:29:34,355
with Jamie on the day
of his baptism at the Jordan River.
432
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:39,611
This is paperwork
relating to Britney's condition
433
00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:41,279
at the start of the conservatorship.
434
00:29:41,362 --> 00:29:43,198
It's... It's kind of a standard form
435
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:46,326
where you indicate
what the person's impairment is
436
00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:48,077
that requires a conservatorship.
437
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:49,996
Specifically, this is interesting to us
438
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,166
because it's orders
related to dementia placement.
439
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:04,427
You don't usually see dementia mentioned
with, you know, with a young person.
440
00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:14,938
This is one of the most important filings
in the entire conservatorship
441
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because when someone is being made
a conservatee,
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00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,402
they're entitled to five days' heads-up,
443
00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:25,198
so that if they want to contest it,
or find a lawyer, et cetera,
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00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:26,825
they have time to do that.
445
00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:30,620
The only reason given
for depriving Britney of five days' notice
446
00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:35,291
is that Sam Lutfi is dangerous
and needs to be kept away.
447
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:38,753
Don't push! Don't push.
448
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,506
Get off! Off! Off!
449
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:46,553
It was total crisis mode with Sam,
450
00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:50,515
and that is something that I don't believe
has really been portrayed correctly,
451
00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:53,768
is the level of crisis
452
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:57,689
at the moment
that the conservatorship began.
453
00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,941
Are you going to get out?
454
00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:02,443
Oh, my God,
please get the out of the way!
455
00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:05,196
Now I'm scared you're gonna drive off
without me.
456
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,740
Now get out of the passenger seat,
get out of the car.
457
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:10,118
Get out, get out, get out. Thank you.
458
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:15,540
They felt they had to do it
to protect Britney from Sam.
459
00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:18,209
We're sort of alluding to what happened,
460
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:21,004
that something dangerous
was happening with Sam.
461
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:23,381
What do you think was going to happen?
462
00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:26,634
He was crushing drugs
and putting them in her food
463
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:30,138
- and bragging about it to...
- And you 100% believe that?
464
00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:32,931
Yeah.
465
00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:38,521
Drive my car,
that's what I got to do.
466
00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:44,569
You have a hundred blood tests
and drug tests.
467
00:31:44,652 --> 00:31:47,488
The entire time I was with her,
she passed every single one of them,
468
00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:50,658
which is why the police never came
to my door.
469
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,243
No one called the police.
470
00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:56,748
To be char...
Accused of allegations that serious,
471
00:31:56,831 --> 00:32:02,295
that you're drugging the world's
biggest star, you call the police.
472
00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:04,589
You call the FBI. You don't call TMZ.
473
00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:07,884
- I was the perfect scapegoat.
- Why?
474
00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:11,304
I was new. They didn't know who I was.
475
00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:13,431
I was just an expendable guy.
476
00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:16,434
Like, all right,
if that's what you need to get this done
477
00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:18,837
and waive a five-day notice,
and explain a five-day notice,
478
00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:24,317
it means that she would have been notified
that this was gonna happen,
479
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,527
and she would've had
the right to contest to it.
480
00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:30,156
She would have obviously contested it.
They knew that, everyone knew that.
481
00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:33,952
And so they had to do everything
to prevent that from happening.
482
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,708
Sam would later sue Lynne Spears,
Britney's mom,
483
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,337
for defamation based on her account
of his involvement.
484
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:30,299
Britney went with one
of her dad's appointed security guards...
485
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,136
out to get a hamburger.
486
00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:36,139
As I am told,
they both entered the restaurant,
487
00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:38,266
and Britney sort of did an about-face,
488
00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:42,687
jumped into the car
that he had brought her in and took off.
489
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:48,359
Uh, she called me
and said that she needed help.
490
00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:53,948
I met her and a friend of hers
at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
491
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,117
- Adnan Ghalib?
- Correct.
492
00:33:57,952 --> 00:33:59,495
We called Adam.
493
00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:03,875
He was a part of a firm
that I had a relationship with.
494
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:12,050
We were chased probably by,
I don't know, 50, 75 vehicles.
495
00:34:15,636 --> 00:34:17,138
It is so mean.
496
00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:24,687
We met in my office,
which was crazy,
497
00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:28,524
'cause we had helicopters
swirling over the building.
498
00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:30,902
There must have been a hundred paparazzi.
499
00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:33,613
I sent down my secretary,
500
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:35,823
who brought a guy from the mailroom
501
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:38,409
who's like 6'6" and 250 pounds,
502
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,662
to help Britney get up
from the garage to my office.
503
00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:42,747
Yes.
504
00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,334
- I'm Adam's secretary.
- We gotta go.
505
00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:48,002
Just follow me.
506
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,088
My secretary, Dolores Gameros,
507
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,674
who's like 5'4",
was elbowing everybody out of the way
508
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:55,676
and getting her through the crowd
509
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,555
and got her up to the office,
which was just an unbelievable sight.
510
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:05,269
But you can imagine what it is like
for anyone to have to go through that.
511
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:14,445
Don't kick me!
512
00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:20,368
I can't tell you about what we talked
about, right? Because that's privileged.
513
00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:23,579
But I can tell you what I told the court.
514
00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:29,293
So we walk into court and I said,
515
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,213
"Your Honor, she doesn't want
her father to be the conservator."
516
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:35,049
"She wants an independent
to be the conservator."
517
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,678
She clearly understood
the concept of a conservatorship.
518
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:40,721
She understood what was going to happen.
519
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,016
She could make some decisions about it,
and let me say,
520
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:48,437
I'm not gonna say that in every case,
every conservatorship case,
521
00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:52,233
it's inappropriate to have
a family member as the conservator.
522
00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:53,985
That would be going too far.
523
00:35:54,068 --> 00:36:00,449
But I will say that I generally prefer
to see an independent professional
524
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:01,784
as the conservator.
525
00:36:01,868 --> 00:36:06,622
And the reason is that family
relationships are always complex.
526
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:09,917
When I told the judge what Britney wanted,
527
00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:11,961
the judge looked at me and said,
528
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:18,259
"Mr. Streisand, I have a report
that says she does not have the capacity
529
00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:22,513
to retain counsel
and have an attorney-client relationship."
530
00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:25,266
"So I'm sorry, Mr. Streisand,
531
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:27,643
but you're not gonna be able
to represent her
532
00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:30,730
and I need to ask you
to the leave the courtroom." And I did.
533
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:35,651
Can you give us a heads-up
on what happened here today?
534
00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:36,736
No, I'm sorry.
535
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,614
- I've talked to the press.
- How's Britney?
536
00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:42,575
There's no law that says that conservatees
537
00:36:42,658 --> 00:36:44,952
have the right
to the attorney of their choice.
538
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,413
It's a hole in the system, for sure,
539
00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:50,750
that allows the courts
to impose their own ideas
540
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:54,754
of what is the best representation
for the conservatee.
541
00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:58,341
They have what's called
this volunteer panel of lawyers,
542
00:36:58,424 --> 00:37:00,635
which basically means
that the lawyers volunteer.
543
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:03,930
Doesn't mean they're working for free.
Far from it.
544
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:07,058
But they volunteer
to get appointed by the court
545
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:08,684
to represent people like Britney,
546
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,772
people who are conservatees
or proposed conservatees.
547
00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:17,568
I can't tell you what happened
in court after I left.
548
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:21,113
I don't know whether Sam Ingham,
549
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:25,910
who was appointed as her lawyer,
argued the way that I argued,
550
00:37:25,993 --> 00:37:28,746
that the conservator
shouldn't be Britney's father.
551
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:30,248
I've got my suspicions.
552
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:36,045
I sure hope Sam Ingham
fought hard against, uh, against it,
553
00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:37,755
but I never heard that he did.
554
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:44,011
We have very particular
standards for conservatorship.
555
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:46,722
You have to be unable to meet your needs
556
00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:49,225
for food, clothing, health, and shelter.
557
00:37:49,308 --> 00:37:50,348
So let me put it this way,
558
00:37:50,393 --> 00:37:53,271
I've represented
dozens of conservatees in court,
559
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,439
not one of them has ever had a job.
560
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:01,529
Somebody called me from People
and they said,
561
00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:06,158
"We're gonna write a story
in regards to her father
562
00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:08,744
wanting conservatorship of Britney."
563
00:38:09,745 --> 00:38:14,292
They basically, you know,
explained it in one sentence.
564
00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:18,004
"He will be Britney Spears."
That's all they said.
565
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:21,173
I said, "What do you mean?
Britney Spears is still here."
566
00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:27,763
"Nope. She no longer has rights
or say over anything."
567
00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:29,348
"He does."
568
00:38:29,432 --> 00:38:32,601
I'm like,
"Well, why would that be the case?"
569
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:33,936
"She's functioning."
570
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:38,399
I watched her write the Blackout album
on a Starbucks napkin
571
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:41,610
on Ventura Boulevard in Studio City.
572
00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:46,741
I watched her sit there
and put the moves together.
573
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:49,368
And we're talking about, you know,
574
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,455
what colors to use
and, you know, the scenery,
575
00:38:52,538 --> 00:38:55,875
and the change of scenery,
and the backdrop and costumes.
576
00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:58,878
She did all that, and you're telling me
577
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:03,257
that her father's gonna get
a conservatorship?
578
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,967
It didn't make sense to me.
579
00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:07,178
I'm from In Touch magazine.
580
00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:10,139
Let me give you a fucking clue,
I don't talk to no-fucking-body.
581
00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,183
Why don't you talk to us?
582
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,769
'Cause I never have to talk
to anybody, you dumb fuck.
583
00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:12,660
The source said,
584
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:16,455
"This is a confidential report
only a select few have access."
585
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:18,416
"Most doctors and other professionals
586
00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,668
have not been publicly connected
to the case
587
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,378
and would like to remain that way."
588
00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,924
"The report was produced by a doctor
that resigned from the case in 2013."
589
00:40:30,136 --> 00:40:32,555
Look at this sentence right here.
Read it out loud.
590
00:40:32,638 --> 00:40:37,017
"Britney Spears lacks capacity
to retain and direct counsel."
591
00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:42,398
"Britney Spears lacks the capacity
to understand or manage
592
00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:46,861
her own financial affairs
without being subject to undue influence."
593
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:50,448
What's wild is, at the same time
this report was written,
594
00:40:50,531 --> 00:40:52,199
Britney was back to work.
595
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,660
She was on the set
of How I Met Your Mother.
596
00:40:54,743 --> 00:40:57,329
Sir, please don't yell at me,
because when people yell at me,
597
00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:59,415
I have a tendency to start crying.
598
00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:03,461
The episode was out within two
months of the conservatorship starting.
599
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,713
When they're rude to you,
hang up the phone.
600
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:09,633
Yet we have paperwork
that says she had dementia.
601
00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:15,014
How is someone who is that ill
well enough to go to work?
602
00:41:22,062 --> 00:41:24,231
"Caution should also be exercised
603
00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:27,067
so as not to accelerate her return to work
604
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:29,987
faster than her emotional recovery allows,
605
00:41:30,070 --> 00:41:34,492
lest she have a relapse that would undo
the progress she has made thus far."
606
00:41:35,201 --> 00:41:38,871
The medical team said
that Britney lacked capacity,
607
00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,708
but who was the original doctor
that made that decision?
608
00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:45,878
In looking at the publicly available
court documents,
609
00:41:45,961 --> 00:41:49,298
there was only one name
listed in the initial evaluation,
610
00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:51,509
a Dr. J. Edward Spar.
611
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:54,762
I needed to confirm that he was the doctor
612
00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:59,433
that conducted the medical evaluation
that kept the conservatorship in place.
613
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:00,518
We're ready for slate.
614
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:02,436
And what the justification was.
615
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,355
Dr. James, uh...
616
00:42:04,438 --> 00:42:05,856
- Spar.
- Spar.
617
00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:07,650
Take one, mark.
618
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:08,734
Thank you.
619
00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,279
Dr. Spar, tell me about your work.
620
00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,533
I am a retired, uh, geriatric psychiatrist
621
00:42:15,616 --> 00:42:19,286
and still do the occasional consultation
for attorneys,
622
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:23,165
including, you know,
contested conservatorships sometimes.
623
00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:25,918
Had you heard of
Britney Spears' music before you met her?
624
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:30,130
You know, uh, I'm not a fan.
I don't listen to music of that ilk.
625
00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:32,174
But, yeah, I know who she is.
626
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,469
- Wait, before I met her?
- Yeah.
627
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,181
Oh, wait, I'm not going to acknowledge
that I've ever met her.
628
00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:42,101
Do you specialize in dementia?
629
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:44,270
Well, I'm a geriatric psychiatrist,
630
00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:47,690
so that's one of the things
that geriatric psychiatrists
631
00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,067
spend a lot of time and energy on, yeah.
632
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:53,571
Is that why you were brought in
to evaluate Britney Spears?
633
00:42:55,114 --> 00:43:00,411
I'm not going to verify that I was ever
brought in to evaluate Britney Spears.
634
00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:02,454
So here is a court document
635
00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:05,249
that said, uh,
"According to Dr. Spar's declaration."
636
00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:10,713
Okay. Again, show me
my signed declaration.
637
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,635
If you show me a public document
with my signature on it,
638
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,013
I will verify my signature.
639
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,850
Other than that, I'm not gonna talk about
640
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:27,187
whether anybody ever retained me
to see anybody, not just Britney Spears.
641
00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:29,440
These are confidential evaluations.
642
00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:31,525
But you think, for the most part,
643
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:35,988
that conservatorships are, um,
mostly to help people?
644
00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:39,617
The ones where I have been involved,
645
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,411
the person who's filing
for the conservatorship
646
00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:44,663
believes that they are acting
in the interests
647
00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:46,665
of their proposed conservatee.
648
00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:49,460
They're trying to protect them
from something.
649
00:43:49,543 --> 00:43:52,129
Usually,
most of the cases I've been involved in,
650
00:43:52,212 --> 00:43:54,173
what they're trying to protect them from
651
00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:57,885
is a predatory individual
after that person's money.
652
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,521
I get a phone call from her father.
653
00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:12,775
And he's like,
"I need you to come home right now."
654
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,486
I said, "We'll come home
when we come home."
655
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:18,280
And he said,
"No, you need to bring her home now."
656
00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:21,450
"I'm the conservator of her estate."
657
00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:25,913
You know, he was always so extreme.
You know?
658
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:34,713
Let me explain to you
how fucking devastating it was
659
00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:38,175
for me to pull up at the gates
660
00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:40,552
and there's her father standing there,
661
00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,722
four of the security, and two officers.
662
00:44:44,306 --> 00:44:47,768
And they're standing there,
and she freaks out.
663
00:44:47,851 --> 00:44:49,853
"What are they doing here?
Why are they here?"
664
00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:52,749
"Why is my father at my house? Who are
these people? Why are the cops here?"
665
00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:54,149
And she looks at me.
666
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,112
I'm supposed to be the one
that protects her.
667
00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:01,699
And I'm trying to calm her down. I cannot.
668
00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:05,828
I'm trying to explain to her,
"He is your conservator."
669
00:45:05,911 --> 00:45:11,166
"Without his permission,
because he is you, I've kidnapped you."
670
00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:13,502
"And it's that real."
671
00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:16,922
She just looks. She doesn't talk anymore.
She's completely silent.
672
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:23,178
You know, they escort her into the house.
673
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,266
That's when the realization was,
674
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:30,227
"Okay, I don't think
things are gonna be the same."
675
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,457
As 2008 continued,
Britney had reportedly negotiated
676
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:54,168
50-50 custody of her kids.
677
00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:56,587
The amount of time she spent with them
678
00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,299
was subject to the approval
of her dad and conservator, Jamie.
679
00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:08,182
Britney seemed to be recovering
from the events
680
00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,476
that led to her hospitalization.
681
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,562
It was deemed by Britney, Inc.
that it was time to work,
682
00:46:13,645 --> 00:46:14,855
and work she did.
683
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:23,071
It started with recording a new album,
684
00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:26,700
and then the idea
of a tell-all documentary was proposed.
685
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,536
This MTV Film would be called
For the Record.
686
00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:32,956
This was a new time
in Britney's professional life,
687
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,126
and it meant those that worked with her
would be carefully selected
688
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:37,753
by the conservatorship.
689
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,674
It was interesting going through
a lot of this with other creatives
690
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:45,135
and people who were sort of
from the outside.
691
00:46:45,219 --> 00:46:47,262
I remember at one point talking amongst us
692
00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:50,599
and realizing that, like,
there wasn't a single person
693
00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,893
that was involved with that project
694
00:46:52,976 --> 00:46:57,481
that didn't come out
feeling affected emotionally.
695
00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,566
Like, not a single person.
696
00:47:00,108 --> 00:47:02,754
If I wasn't under the restraints
that I'm under right now,
697
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:08,075
with all the lawyers and doctors
and people analyzing me every day
698
00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:09,576
and all that kind of stuff,
699
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:15,833
like, if that wasn't there, I'd feel
so liberated and feel like myself.
700
00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:19,127
It's like... It's bad.
701
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:29,346
I'm sad.
702
00:47:31,932 --> 00:47:34,332
The best thing for her is
what she's doing right now.
703
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:37,646
Let's give her...
She's in her element. She's in her world.
704
00:47:37,729 --> 00:47:42,651
And, uh, keeping her busy.
You know, like me, I like to go fishing.
705
00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:45,487
She likes to sing and dance.
She likes to work.
706
00:47:45,571 --> 00:47:47,573
Are they gonna bring
something here or something?
707
00:47:47,656 --> 00:47:51,118
- I have no idea what's going on.
- Yes, you do, brat.
708
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,910
- Does everybody know what we're doing?
- Yep.
709
00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:56,456
- Except me.
- Except you.
710
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,666
Is that my car?
711
00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:01,920
I was there that day,
and I remember,
712
00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:06,967
like with almost everything, there were
these two polar opposite feelings.
713
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:10,262
Like, it was so nice for her
to get to drive her car
714
00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:13,682
with the top down
and just feel free for a minute.
715
00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:17,853
But on the other hand, I'm thinking,
like, what is going on with this girl
716
00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:20,397
that we have to arrange...
717
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,066
Thirty people have
to arrange this whole thing
718
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:27,738
to let her drive her car
to feel free for 30 minutes?
719
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,657
Like, in what context?
720
00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:36,496
Like... Like, how is that
how she gets to feel free?
721
00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:40,250
The whole thing is fucked up. I'm sorry.
722
00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,342
Britney and I had become close.
723
00:48:48,967 --> 00:48:53,138
I could shoot her in a way that not
all the other camera people could.
724
00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:57,184
Um, and so then we just developed
this sort of close-knit friendship.
725
00:48:59,186 --> 00:49:01,939
There were times she'd ask me for help,
726
00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:04,983
whether it was questions
about legal issues
727
00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:09,237
or, you know,
stuff about conservatorships.
728
00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:12,658
Um, and I would usually try
and deflect these things
729
00:49:12,741 --> 00:49:14,826
because if I didn't have an answer,
730
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,496
I didn't want to give her
any wrong information.
731
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:21,708
Um, but I know that there were times
that she did want to speak out
732
00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:24,586
and address things
and wasn't really able to.
733
00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:30,342
This People article came out.
734
00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:34,221
I think they had interviewed Kevin
and obviously talked about Britney.
735
00:49:34,304 --> 00:49:37,516
And there was stuff
she didn't really agree with.
736
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,477
And it's like she wanted to respond to it.
737
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,564
And so, yeah, she wrote this letter
and she gave it to me
738
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:48,110
and she was like,
"Can you read this on TV?"
739
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:53,824
"What happened to Britney was a year ago
and people need to get with the times."
740
00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:56,618
"And as for Kevin
saying Britney divorced him,
741
00:49:56,702 --> 00:50:00,080
she was forced to by her lawyers
because she went to visit him in New York,
742
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,957
and he wouldn't see her and the children."
743
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,919
"And her lawyer said if she doesn't
divorce him, he's gonna do it himself."
744
00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:09,715
"So, Kevin trying to play
the innocent victim is hardly irrelevant."
745
00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:11,717
"He left her and the babies."
746
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,219
"Her going on the mend,
partying two years ago,
747
00:50:14,302 --> 00:50:16,847
has nothing to do with the situation now."
748
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:21,059
"She's a different person, and most
of their fighting was done back then
749
00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:25,772
because of his problem waking and baking
to marijuana at 5:00 in the morning."
750
00:50:26,815 --> 00:50:29,943
"No one talks about these things
because no one knows the truth."
751
00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:32,279
"She was lied to and set up."
752
00:50:32,946 --> 00:50:35,699
"Her children were taken away
and she did spin out of control,
753
00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:38,452
which any mother would
in those circumstances."
754
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:44,124
"This year, Britney's been silenced to
speak out about anything that's going on."
755
00:50:44,207 --> 00:50:48,295
"The people controlling her life
have made $3 million this year."
756
00:50:48,837 --> 00:50:51,214
"She would love for new eyes
to see her situation,
757
00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:53,633
but if she brings it up,
she's constantly threatened
758
00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,470
that the conservators
will take her kids away."
759
00:50:56,553 --> 00:50:58,555
"So how long does this go on for?"
760
00:50:59,389 --> 00:51:02,225
"As long as the people are getting paid
and she has no rights,
761
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:06,021
it could go on for a while,
but it doesn't make it right at all."
762
00:51:08,148 --> 00:51:11,276
"Britney's given her brother
a $2 million apartment,
763
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,236
her mother an estate in Louisiana,
764
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,031
and her father
the best job in show business."
765
00:51:16,531 --> 00:51:20,911
"She's a very giving person and would love
to get the respect she deserves."
766
00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:26,875
It was an emotional response
to the article coming out,
767
00:51:26,958 --> 00:51:29,711
and it is like her first response.
768
00:51:29,795 --> 00:51:32,380
For me not to read it all on TV
right away was also saying,
769
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:36,093
why don't you just take a couple days
and cool down from this?
770
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:39,554
And then a couple days later,
maybe we can revisit it.
771
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,391
Things like this would happen often,
not necessarily like this letter,
772
00:51:43,475 --> 00:51:46,937
but like trying to use my phone
to call people.
773
00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:50,649
Those are the things you had
to look out for and steer her away from.
774
00:51:51,399 --> 00:51:54,945
And then, a couple days later,
I got a phone call from the lawyers.
775
00:51:55,028 --> 00:51:59,491
The letter had some, you know,
some information that would be really bad
776
00:51:59,574 --> 00:52:01,993
if it came out or something like that.
777
00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:06,081
And so, all of a sudden, the letter turned
into a much bigger thing.
778
00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:11,128
And then, you know, I just brought it in
and showed it to them, and that was that.
779
00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:14,297
But you had enough foresight
to copy the letter?
780
00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,424
I wouldn't call it foresight.
781
00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:20,345
I think that when she gave it to me,
we took a picture of it
782
00:52:20,428 --> 00:52:23,890
because I didn't want
to actually carry the letter.
783
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,268
And what was that experience like for you?
784
00:52:28,186 --> 00:52:31,022
I mean, again, like,
I always just felt bad for her.
785
00:52:33,358 --> 00:52:37,154
I felt bad that, like,
this was her reality and her world,
786
00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:41,032
where she gave me a letter,
and then, all of a sudden,
787
00:52:41,116 --> 00:52:43,702
this huge fire alarm goes off.
788
00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:50,917
It's crazy. All she wanted to do
was respond to an article.
789
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:54,087
How much longer did you work
with Britney after that?
790
00:52:54,921 --> 00:52:59,968
It was pretty shortly after that
that I stopped working with her.
791
00:53:00,051 --> 00:53:05,849
I think at that point it was obvious that
we were close and pretty good friends.
792
00:53:05,932 --> 00:53:07,017
Um...
793
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:11,605
I mean, this was coming after I was
her date for her brother's wedding.
794
00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:16,735
And, you know, we had developed,
you know, I think just like a good trust.
795
00:53:16,818 --> 00:53:20,530
And maybe we were too close at that point.
796
00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,242
And so, yeah,
shortly after that, I got removed.
797
00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:31,666
I actually... I don't think
I've spoken to her since.
798
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:39,591
And Britney had met a bunch of my friends.
799
00:53:39,674 --> 00:53:44,721
You know? She had, you know,
like sort of come into my life.
800
00:53:44,804 --> 00:53:50,435
And, you know, it was just sad to think
that she was gonna be alone again.
801
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,565
In January of 2009,
I went to L.A. for the winter,
802
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,318
and I had made contact with Sam Lutfi.
803
00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,990
He'd been a good background source
for the Rolling Stone cover story,
804
00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:47,867
and we had kept in touch
even after it came out.
805
00:54:48,451 --> 00:54:51,705
Then he told me about the fact
that he and Adnan had been trying
806
00:54:51,788 --> 00:54:55,959
to come up with a plan
to help her find a different lawyer.
807
00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:01,631
She still, in January of 2009,
808
00:55:01,715 --> 00:55:06,052
still wanted a different lawyer
if she could get one.
809
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:09,556
This was a full year
of the conservatorship
810
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,766
supposedly having saved her life.
811
00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:15,061
They had been talking to different lawyers
812
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:19,107
who thought that if they could get her
to sign this document
813
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:23,570
saying why she wanted a new lawyer
and why she wanted the specific lawyer
814
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,740
that that would be something
that would just have to happen then
815
00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:29,868
and there would be no way to refute it.
816
00:55:31,244 --> 00:55:34,456
At that time, Sam and Adnan
were persona non grata.
817
00:55:34,539 --> 00:55:38,335
They had been completely forbidden
from having access to Britney.
818
00:55:39,294 --> 00:55:41,463
And within days of me arriving in L.A.,
819
00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:44,883
Sam started talking about trying
to get her to sign this thing
820
00:55:44,966 --> 00:55:47,344
and trying to find someone
who might get her to sign.
821
00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:54,059
I can't say there was a specific moment
that convinced me to do it.
822
00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:58,521
Of course, I was concerned about being
a participant in the story
823
00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:01,316
I was trying to cover objectively.
824
00:56:01,399 --> 00:56:06,279
But, at that point, I had known
Britney Spears for a decade almost,
825
00:56:06,363 --> 00:56:12,660
so I cared about her in a human way that
there was no denying it at that point,
826
00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:17,082
that I could be more useful
as a Good Samaritan almost
827
00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:21,211
than another journalist trying
to cover the story.
828
00:56:21,294 --> 00:56:23,963
Anything to say
about the conservatorship today?
829
00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:28,968
Sam explained to me
that I would need to go to the Montage
830
00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:31,930
and she would be waiting for me.
831
00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:35,225
And she would know
to come meet me in the bathroom.
832
00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:39,771
I just walked in thinking,
"Pretend I'm a guest."
833
00:56:39,854 --> 00:56:45,110
I took the elevator up and I walked out
and I saw Edon, her security guard,
834
00:56:45,193 --> 00:56:48,613
up there and maybe one other,
like, security-looking dude.
835
00:56:49,364 --> 00:56:53,952
She was just in the pool by herself.
Just leaning on the edge of the pool.
836
00:56:54,035 --> 00:56:58,123
Um, and I kind of gave her
a little side-eye and saw her see me,
837
00:56:58,206 --> 00:57:01,084
and then went into this small bathroom.
838
00:57:01,167 --> 00:57:05,630
I went into the stall, closed the door,
and got the papers and the pen ready,
839
00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:09,217
and saw her tattoo
on her foot or ankle or whatever it is,
840
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,140
and opened the door and I showed her
the spots where she needed to sign.
841
00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:18,393
And she signed and looked at me
and said, "Thank you."
842
00:57:18,476 --> 00:57:19,686
And I said...
843
00:57:30,196 --> 00:57:33,533
I said, "I'll see you again. Go."
844
00:57:36,161 --> 00:57:41,040
Yeah, she definitely seemed scared.
It was hard to tell 'cause I was scared.
845
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,963
But she was appreciative, which was,
like, such classic kind of her vibe to be,
846
00:57:47,046 --> 00:57:50,133
in that moment to be scared
but to also be grateful, you know?
847
00:58:32,884 --> 00:58:35,512
I thought the documents were
gonna be delivered right away.
848
00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:39,432
I was told there would be
an ex parte hearing to address this,
849
00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:40,808
but then days passed
850
00:58:40,892 --> 00:58:45,438
and Britney was supposed
to go on a trip somewhere with her dad.
851
00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:48,775
And we thought that when he sees
that she signed it,
852
00:58:48,858 --> 00:58:51,236
he'll know that things are gonna change.
853
00:58:52,278 --> 00:58:55,615
I couldn't believe it when I found out,
about a week later,
854
00:58:55,698 --> 00:59:01,579
that it was all over and that, similar to
what had happened with Adam Streisand,
855
00:59:01,663 --> 00:59:03,331
that it had been ruled
856
00:59:03,414 --> 00:59:07,252
that she lacked
the capacity to choose a lawyer
857
00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:11,881
and that they had cast enough doubt
on to whether that was her signature.
858
00:59:14,259 --> 00:59:16,052
I never heard anything of it again.
859
00:59:16,636 --> 00:59:18,930
No one ever talked about it again,
860
00:59:20,014 --> 00:59:23,351
and still no one really talks
about the fact
861
00:59:23,434 --> 00:59:27,564
that there was another attempt
to get a lawyer
862
00:59:27,647 --> 00:59:29,399
that somehow didn't work out.
863
00:59:31,442 --> 00:59:35,113
But someone else knew
about the incident at the Montage.
864
00:59:35,196 --> 00:59:39,993
Seven days after Britney signed the papers
saying she wanted new representation,
865
00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:43,413
the court-appointed lawyer
for the conservatorship, Sam Ingham,
866
00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:46,791
stated that Britney told him
she'd met with a reporter
867
00:59:46,874 --> 00:59:51,296
from Rolling Stone to sign documents
about acquiring new counsel.
868
00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:56,926
He went on to say,
"Britney does not wish to do that,"
869
00:59:57,010 --> 01:00:01,055
and asked him to do whatever is necessary
to "squash the document."
870
01:00:01,139 --> 01:00:03,099
She further stated that she was,
871
01:00:03,182 --> 01:00:06,728
"Fully satisfied
with my representation of her."
872
01:00:08,187 --> 01:00:13,067
That same day, the attorney she had tried
to hire, John Anderson, withdrew, stating,
873
01:00:13,151 --> 01:00:17,780
"I can say no more; will do no more."
And, "That is the end for me."
874
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:23,745
It was another time that Britney had tried
to seek her own representation
875
01:00:23,828 --> 01:00:25,496
and it failed.
876
01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:32,211
It's the conservatee's attorney
is the one person in this system
877
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:36,549
who is tasked with making
the conservatee's best case
878
01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,718
for whatever the conservatee wants.
879
01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:41,804
I've seen so many instances
where those attorneys
880
01:00:41,888 --> 01:00:44,057
are not representing
what their clients want.
881
01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:50,563
Keep in mind that the only way
that Sam Ingham gets paid
882
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:54,359
is he has to file a petition
with the court,
883
01:00:54,442 --> 01:00:57,278
and then the conservator have
the right to object
884
01:00:57,362 --> 01:01:00,323
to him getting paid
or the fees he's asking for.
885
01:01:00,406 --> 01:01:04,118
Obviously, there is
a natural tendency to say,
886
01:01:04,202 --> 01:01:08,081
"Well, I certainly don't want
to be pissing off the people
887
01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:11,793
who are gonna have the ability
to object to me getting paid."
888
01:01:13,127 --> 01:01:16,172
What is your reaction to knowing
that a court-appointed attorney
889
01:01:16,255 --> 01:01:20,843
is making over 3 million dollars,
like as... In this position?
890
01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:25,973
My reaction is that he's on a gravy train
and he'll ride it all the way to the end.
891
01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:31,896
Are you concerned
for Britney's mental health?
892
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:33,147
By early 2009,
893
01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:37,026
Jamie Spears asked that the temporary
conservatorship of his daughter
894
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:38,403
be made permanent.
895
01:01:39,028 --> 01:01:42,573
And there was a range
of new specific powers and privileges
896
01:01:42,657 --> 01:01:44,826
that would be given
to the conservatorship,
897
01:01:46,536 --> 01:01:50,665
spanning from using funds from the estate
to pay for a car for Jamie...
898
01:01:51,666 --> 01:01:56,421
to giving him more complete control
over Britney's personal finances.
899
01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:02,552
Perhaps most importantly, though,
the permanent conservatorship
900
01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:07,765
would allow Jamie to pursue professional
opportunities available to Britney
901
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,518
once they're approved by her medical team.
902
01:02:25,825 --> 01:02:28,411
Britney was preparing for a huge tour,
903
01:02:28,494 --> 01:02:31,998
whatever concerns
the conservatorship's medical team had
904
01:02:32,081 --> 01:02:35,710
about her health and overworking
seemed to be forgotten.
905
01:02:39,672 --> 01:02:42,759
First off, ticket sales
are going phenomenally well.
906
01:02:42,842 --> 01:02:47,013
Sales have generated about 40 million.
907
01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:51,684
Second, there seems
to be an opportunity to add two shows
908
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,772
at the end of the U.S. leg
on very attractive financial terms.
909
01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,691
So this is before the Circus tour.
910
01:02:59,734 --> 01:03:03,780
They don't even know yet
if she's gonna be, like, okay to tour,
911
01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:05,615
- but they're adding more dates.
- Right.
912
01:03:05,698 --> 01:03:09,577
They went from temporary conservatorship
to permanent conservatorship,
913
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:11,996
and Circus was that year.
914
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:17,043
So us noting that there was
financial incentives for Larry, for Jamie,
915
01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:22,048
for the lawyers to get her working,
A, but get her working more.
916
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:29,138
The Circus tour was performed
over the course of nine months
917
01:03:29,222 --> 01:03:32,141
and totaled 70 shows spanning the world.
918
01:03:33,017 --> 01:03:36,521
I've had people tell me
that there were conversations explicitly
919
01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,315
about how quickly she could come back.
920
01:03:39,398 --> 01:03:41,943
They probably felt like it was important
921
01:03:42,026 --> 01:03:45,947
to show her looking healthy and okay
as quickly as possible
922
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:49,909
to prove that what they decided to do
was the right decision.
923
01:03:49,992 --> 01:03:51,160
Britney!
924
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:52,370
Britney!
925
01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:56,082
There's nothing relaxing
about being on a tour.
926
01:03:58,209 --> 01:03:59,836
Flying all over the world,
927
01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:02,672
being in different countries
every few days.
928
01:04:02,755 --> 01:04:04,924
Are you sick
of your dad being conservator?
929
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:09,303
I can only imagine how stressful
and challenging that might be for her.
930
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,144
Was she in the right mental state
to put all that time and energy
931
01:04:17,228 --> 01:04:22,316
into doing a whole...? Revamping her
entire career and doing this comeback?
932
01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:26,737
It's like, that's hard.
933
01:04:28,364 --> 01:04:32,994
We've had, on background, conversations
with people who were on the tour.
934
01:04:33,077 --> 01:04:37,582
They said it was a mess.
They said it was bad for Britney's health.
935
01:04:38,916 --> 01:04:41,794
The conservatorship stated
that they had successfully added
936
01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:44,922
financial growth
and stability to Britney's life.
937
01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:50,803
"Her main focus,
almost to the point of obsession,
938
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,930
was getting more time with her children."
939
01:04:53,472 --> 01:04:57,518
"Her second preoccupation was
whether the conservatorship would end
940
01:04:57,602 --> 01:05:01,230
and whether her father Jamie Spears would
be more lenient with her privileges."
941
01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:06,861
Oh, man. She gets an allowance,
she's got "privileges,"
942
01:05:06,944 --> 01:05:09,655
and her daddy is in charge.
943
01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:11,991
That's the patriarchy.
944
01:05:24,128 --> 01:05:26,839
In 2009,
Britney had a new boyfriend.
945
01:05:27,506 --> 01:05:29,926
It was her agent, Jason Trawick.
946
01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,347
You need to go over there.
947
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:37,892
If you don't go over, we're gonna leave.
Y'all ain't gonna get no pictures.
948
01:05:44,357 --> 01:05:45,858
By the fall of 2011,
949
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,778
he was featured
in Britney's music video "Criminal."
950
01:05:52,448 --> 01:05:56,410
Jason, newly buff,
played her outlaw boyfriend.
951
01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:57,620
- You okay?
- Yeah.
952
01:05:58,996 --> 01:05:59,997
Wait.
953
01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:05,211
Now I'm okay.
954
01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:09,632
Jason was, like, a very smart,
very sweet, very caring...
955
01:06:09,715 --> 01:06:13,010
Like, he was one of the guys
that I would confide in,
956
01:06:13,094 --> 01:06:16,097
and we would talk
about all that was happening.
957
01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:18,057
We both had an objective point of view
958
01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:22,061
because, at the time, neither of us
were dating her or engaged to her
959
01:06:22,144 --> 01:06:23,688
or anything like that.
960
01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:27,316
♪ 'Cause mama I'm in love
With a criminal ♪
961
01:06:28,067 --> 01:06:30,736
♪ And this type of love isn't rational ♪
962
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:34,991
To see the role that he transitioned into,
963
01:06:35,074 --> 01:06:37,427
I mean, again, it's like,
I never would've seen that coming.
964
01:06:37,451 --> 01:06:39,578
Bet you know what that means.
965
01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,789
Britney!
966
01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:50,506
So this is from a doctor
with the conservatorship to Sam Ingham.
967
01:06:50,589 --> 01:06:54,218
"I had an interview
and assessment session with Jason."
968
01:06:54,301 --> 01:06:58,347
"I found him to be forthcoming and open,
though fearful that whatever he said
969
01:06:58,431 --> 01:07:01,183
might be held against him
or place him at odds with others
970
01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:03,561
with whom he might need
to get along in the future."
971
01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:06,355
"He appears to be genuinely
in love with Britney."
972
01:07:06,439 --> 01:07:10,818
"His philosophy is Britney will have
to learn to live without a conservator."
973
01:07:10,901 --> 01:07:13,612
"He feels that the present arrangement
is too constrictive."
974
01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:16,824
"Jason states inconveniences
Britney has to go through
975
01:07:16,907 --> 01:07:18,200
under the conservatorship."
976
01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:21,829
"For example, they wanted to drive
within a gated community on a golf cart,
977
01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:24,373
but have to ask permission each time."
978
01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:27,084
"If they want to go out
to a hamburger joint,
979
01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:30,796
they have to call for permission and wait
20 minutes or more for an answer."
980
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,592
"If Britney needs a few hundred dollars
to buy books for her kids,
981
01:07:34,675 --> 01:07:38,429
she has to ask
and wait a few days for an answer."
982
01:07:38,512 --> 01:07:42,183
This was right after Britney finished
the huge, giant tour.
983
01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:44,143
That was Femme Fatale.
984
01:07:45,019 --> 01:07:46,520
What the fuck?
985
01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:48,481
Look at the next page.
986
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:51,150
"Toward the end of the tour,
987
01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:54,111
significant tensions arose between
Jamie Spears,
988
01:07:54,195 --> 01:07:56,697
Britney's father and conservator,
and Britney."
989
01:07:56,781 --> 01:07:58,491
Right, and then look at this.
990
01:07:58,574 --> 01:08:00,910
"Britney began to complain
about Jamie's drinking."
991
01:08:00,993 --> 01:08:03,829
"She is especially adamant
that Jamie be punished."
992
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:06,499
"This seems to be a lightning rod
for all of her complaints
993
01:08:06,582 --> 01:08:08,459
about the conservatorship itself."
994
01:08:08,542 --> 01:08:13,339
"In a simple way, she feels that
if she is drug tested, so should he be."
995
01:08:13,422 --> 01:08:16,926
"If she were to suffer a great penalty,
like losing her kids,
996
01:08:17,009 --> 01:08:18,844
if she tested positive,
997
01:08:18,928 --> 01:08:22,056
he should suffer an equally
great penalty for his drinking."
998
01:08:22,139 --> 01:08:26,977
And this is again, the most sort of,
some of the most damning stuff.
999
01:08:27,061 --> 01:08:29,522
"Britney wants to come off
the conservatorship."
1000
01:08:32,316 --> 01:08:35,903
"At times, she seems to understand
the benefits of the conservatorship."
1001
01:08:35,986 --> 01:08:40,407
"She indicates she would go along
with the conservatorship of the estate,
1002
01:08:40,491 --> 01:08:44,161
but mostly she wants to end
the conservatorship of the person."
1003
01:08:46,330 --> 01:08:49,708
The conservatorship has maintained
Britney has never once asked for it
1004
01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,962
to be terminated
and that if it was that bad,
1005
01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:54,630
she would tell people about it.
1006
01:08:54,713 --> 01:09:00,052
But we have here in evidence that
she wanted out of the conservatorship,
1007
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:03,097
that she was vocalizing that need,
and that it was ignored.
1008
01:09:05,182 --> 01:09:09,645
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
1009
01:09:09,728 --> 01:09:10,728
Really?
1010
01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:15,317
In December 2011,
Britney and Jason became engaged.
1011
01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:20,531
Four months later, she requested
Jason be added as her conservator.
1012
01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:24,451
But instead of Jason replacing Jamie,
1013
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:27,705
the court ruled
in what could be considered a compromise.
1014
01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:32,418
Jason Trawick and Jamie
are made co-conservators
1015
01:09:32,501 --> 01:09:34,128
versus Jamie being removed.
1016
01:09:34,211 --> 01:09:36,422
Which just feels so weird.
1017
01:09:36,505 --> 01:09:39,175
At the time,
I thought that it was interesting
1018
01:09:39,258 --> 01:09:42,928
that Jamie would give over
even that small amount of control
1019
01:09:43,012 --> 01:09:47,057
to someone theoretically new
or a non-family member.
1020
01:09:49,143 --> 01:09:53,230
With her father and fiancé
as co-conservators of her person,
1021
01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:58,027
Britney inked a reported $15 million deal
to judge X Factor.
1022
01:09:58,652 --> 01:10:01,614
Behind the scenes,
confidential reports given to us
1023
01:10:01,697 --> 01:10:04,533
showed that the conservatorship
was in chaos.
1024
01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:09,246
The medical team thought that X Factor
put undue pressure on Britney,
1025
01:10:09,747 --> 01:10:13,542
whereas her management said
that withdrawing would be just as bad
1026
01:10:13,626 --> 01:10:15,836
as a publicly observed meltdown.
1027
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,839
Under intense pressure
from Britney's management,
1028
01:10:18,923 --> 01:10:22,843
the medical team cautiously
approved Britney's participation,
1029
01:10:22,927 --> 01:10:28,057
but said there would be strict guidelines
for their approval to stay in place,
1030
01:10:29,266 --> 01:10:33,395
which included that Jason Trawick's
presence was, quote, "mandatory."
1031
01:10:34,855 --> 01:10:39,276
And then the big bombshell is
that we have direct evidence
1032
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,031
that her medication,
the medication that she liked to take,
1033
01:10:44,114 --> 01:10:46,450
was increased if she worked.
1034
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:49,161
There's different dosages on,
1035
01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:52,831
quote-unquote,
"non-work days and work days."
1036
01:10:52,915 --> 01:10:54,124
Look at the next page.
1037
01:10:54,833 --> 01:10:57,002
"On the one hand,
Jamie and the team
1038
01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:00,631
valued the benefits of stimulants
for Britney's performance."
1039
01:11:00,714 --> 01:11:05,552
"This had been the case for her tours
and for her participation on X Factor."
1040
01:11:05,636 --> 01:11:09,765
"By the same token, Jamie wanted
B ritney not to take stimulants."
1041
01:11:11,225 --> 01:11:13,727
"This contradiction
has not been resolved."
1042
01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:22,945
From the public's perspective,
1043
01:11:23,028 --> 01:11:26,156
Britney's performance
on The X Factor was a success.
1044
01:11:27,616 --> 01:11:31,578
Less than a year later, though,
Britney and Jason would break up,
1045
01:11:31,662 --> 01:11:36,000
making Jamie the sole conservator
of the person once again.
1046
01:11:36,083 --> 01:11:38,585
"On the subject
of X Factor itself,
1047
01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:41,880
there is estimated to be a 50-50 chance
they will invite her to return,
1048
01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:44,258
but at this time
it appears that she would decline."
1049
01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:48,304
"Instead, her current plan is
to create a Las Vegas-style revue
1050
01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:52,099
to perform at a Las Vegas hotel
over three- or four-day weekend dates
1051
01:11:52,182 --> 01:11:53,559
once or twice a month."
1052
01:11:53,642 --> 01:11:55,019
What does it say right after that?
1053
01:11:55,102 --> 01:11:57,271
"I believe this is
an appropriate career move
1054
01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,773
from the perspective
of her psychiatric condition."
1055
01:11:59,857 --> 01:12:01,567
It's so hot.
1056
01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:04,445
Okay, so...
1057
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:08,657
being single for a year...
1058
01:12:09,783 --> 01:12:10,783
Yeah!
1059
01:12:11,368 --> 01:12:14,830
...has been very, very, very profound.
1060
01:12:15,497 --> 01:12:20,044
And I feel like
all men should suck my toe.
1061
01:12:20,586 --> 01:12:24,006
Britney's Vegas residency
started in 2013,
1062
01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:26,008
and it was called Piece of Me.
1063
01:12:26,091 --> 01:12:30,304
The show would span five years
and culminate in a world tour.
1064
01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:33,932
Very little is known about
Britney's life during this time period.
1065
01:12:34,016 --> 01:12:37,311
The conservatorship kept
her inner circle very small.
1066
01:12:37,936 --> 01:12:40,022
Candid Britney interviews were rare.
1067
01:12:40,105 --> 01:12:43,442
Unguarded public moments
only seemed to happen
1068
01:12:43,525 --> 01:12:45,861
when she was talking to her audience.
1069
01:12:45,944 --> 01:12:50,240
Honestly, without the music,
just the mic, it kind of feels illegal.
1070
01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:53,077
Like it's quiet right now, and it...
1071
01:12:53,911 --> 01:12:57,831
It feels kind of illegal doing this
with this mic in my hand now.
1072
01:12:57,915 --> 01:12:59,291
It feels so weird.
1073
01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:03,796
Okay, so the press and the media,
my whole life, it's really crazy,
1074
01:13:03,879 --> 01:13:08,008
'cause one minute they tear you down
and they're really horrible,
1075
01:13:08,092 --> 01:13:10,969
and the next minute,
you're on top of the world you know?
1076
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:13,639
But I just want to make sure
1077
01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:17,393
I keep handing you motherfuckers
something to talk about, okay?
1078
01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:24,191
What was it like going
to the Vegas show?
1079
01:13:24,274 --> 01:13:27,694
When she found out I was there,
she wanted to see me backstage.
1080
01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:33,867
And it was like we both just immediately
just embraced and just cried,
1081
01:13:33,951 --> 01:13:36,578
just sat there and cried and locked arms.
1082
01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:39,331
We hadn't seen each other in years,
hadn't spoken.
1083
01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:43,460
And when I saw her,
it's like something in her eyes,
1084
01:13:43,544 --> 01:13:46,380
it was like the old Britney,
I guess you can say.
1085
01:13:46,463 --> 01:13:50,801
It was as if we were right back
to where we were many, many years before.
1086
01:13:50,884 --> 01:13:53,720
I think that's why
we both broke down and cried.
1087
01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,515
And her bodyguard
walked me back to my seat,
1088
01:13:56,598 --> 01:13:59,685
and he said to me,
I remember this, he said, um...
1089
01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:03,313
He goes, "I don't know
what you just did to her
1090
01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:07,151
and what your relationship was like,
but can you come back more?"
1091
01:14:07,234 --> 01:14:11,071
"In the nine years I've worked for her,
I've never seen her smile like that."
1092
01:14:12,865 --> 01:14:16,368
There aren't a lot of people in her life
that are from those days.
1093
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,246
It's myself, Felicia
and a couple other people.
1094
01:14:22,583 --> 01:14:26,545
I got called back to do Circus Tour,
Femme Fatale,
1095
01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:28,672
and then the four years in Vegas.
1096
01:14:28,755 --> 01:14:31,341
I had much less contact with her.
1097
01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:34,720
But I made sure, every show,
she knew I was there.
1098
01:14:34,803 --> 01:14:37,431
And then did she continue
to love performing?
1099
01:14:37,514 --> 01:14:39,475
I mean, it's such an intense schedule.
1100
01:14:39,558 --> 01:14:42,269
What was her relationship like
with performing?
1101
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:46,857
Britney loved performing.
1102
01:14:47,357 --> 01:14:50,652
Hands down,
still to this second, loves performing.
1103
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:52,821
Um...
1104
01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:56,492
I think that's probably as much
as I can say about that.
1105
01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:58,159
Sorry.
1106
01:14:58,535 --> 01:15:01,914
I don't want to fight with them.
It's not worth it to me.
1107
01:15:02,581 --> 01:15:03,582
I'm sorry.
1108
01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:11,882
The one thing we know for sure
is that Britney worked almost nonstop
1109
01:15:11,965 --> 01:15:14,676
and made other people a lot of money.
1110
01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:04,101
All right, everyone. We are
here to welcome the new queen of Vegas!
1111
01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:08,981
In January 2019, Britney announced
a new Vegas residency.
1112
01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:11,275
It would be called Domination.
1113
01:16:14,736 --> 01:16:18,073
Ladies and gentlemen, Britney Spears!
1114
01:16:18,156 --> 01:16:20,576
When she walked dow n the red carpet,
1115
01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:23,620
it felt like she was almost
about to say something.
1116
01:16:23,704 --> 01:16:24,997
But then she didn't.
1117
01:16:27,791 --> 01:16:29,960
Three months later, via Instagram,
1118
01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:34,172
Britney would cancel the show,
citing family health concerns.
1119
01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:37,134
And the world was watching.
1120
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,932
That was a huge moment when
the fan community began to suspect
1121
01:16:44,016 --> 01:16:47,978
that something weird was going on in 2019.
1122
01:16:48,061 --> 01:16:52,899
There was even, like, missing posters
being shared around social media.
1123
01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:56,028
Kind of as a joke, but also like
we literally haven't seen her
1124
01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:58,071
in, like, weeks, if not months.
1125
01:16:58,155 --> 01:17:00,949
And cut to April 2019,
1126
01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:06,330
we find out that Britney was placed into
a mental health facility against her will.
1127
01:17:06,413 --> 01:17:11,043
That's what is believed, and she was being
given medication she did not wanna take.
1128
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:16,506
I know that there are a lot of voices
1129
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:19,343
I've heard from many different quarters
1130
01:17:19,426 --> 01:17:24,598
that Britney is being held as a prisoner,
in effect, against her will.
1131
01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:29,311
And when I've been asked
do I think that's accurate,
1132
01:17:29,978 --> 01:17:33,774
I think you have to say to yourself
1133
01:17:33,857 --> 01:17:39,988
it's not as if Los Angeles is
some type of fascist gulag,
1134
01:17:40,072 --> 01:17:43,283
where, in order to get a message
to the outside world,
1135
01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:47,537
you have to write it down
on a piece of birch bark and in code,
1136
01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:51,958
then throw it over an electrified fence
to an unsuspecting gardener.
1137
01:17:52,042 --> 01:17:55,879
If she wanted to get a message out
as far as being held against her will,
1138
01:17:55,962 --> 01:17:59,675
I can't even imagine
the numbers of ways she can do that.
1139
01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:04,971
Eventually, Britney resurfaced
via an Instagram video.
1140
01:18:05,555 --> 01:18:09,893
Hi, guys. Just checking in with all of you
who are concerned. All is well.
1141
01:18:09,976 --> 01:18:13,021
My family has been going through
a lot of stress and anxiety lately,
1142
01:18:13,105 --> 01:18:17,192
so I just needed time to deal.
Don't worry, I'll be back very soon.
1143
01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:20,862
The video only increased
public speculation.
1144
01:18:21,363 --> 01:18:24,199
What was going on
inside the conservatorship,
1145
01:18:24,282 --> 01:18:27,494
and why was she in one
if she was, quote, "okay"?
1146
01:18:37,212 --> 01:18:39,881
We know that in summer of 2019,
1147
01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:44,511
after there was already beginning to be
some chaos in the conservatorship
1148
01:18:44,594 --> 01:18:48,390
for the first time in more than a decade,
that there was an incident
1149
01:18:48,473 --> 01:18:52,728
where a confrontation occurred
between Jamie and one of Britney's sons.
1150
01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:56,440
And Kevin Federline, you know,
his father and Britney's ex,
1151
01:18:56,523 --> 01:18:58,483
had a restraining order filed
against Jamie,
1152
01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:02,738
such that he's not allowed
to be in the presence of the children
1153
01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:05,699
for a specified period of years.
1154
01:19:05,782 --> 01:19:08,827
What's been in public record
is there was an altercation,
1155
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:12,539
a door was broken down,
one of her sons was shaken.
1156
01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:19,296
Um, the restraining order was based
on an unauthorized...
1157
01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:23,550
Uh, let's just say
it had to do with conduct
1158
01:19:23,633 --> 01:19:26,720
that put the children
in fear of their safety.
1159
01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:28,638
How did a door get broken?
1160
01:19:29,306 --> 01:19:30,306
Um...
1161
01:19:31,349 --> 01:19:34,311
I think a door was slammed in some regard,
1162
01:19:34,394 --> 01:19:38,774
and, uh, it caused the door to come off
the hinge or something in that regard.
1163
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,743
At the end of 2019,
1164
01:19:49,826 --> 01:19:53,038
Lou Taylor resurfaced in court documents.
1165
01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:56,583
She had e-mailed Jamie,
saying her company, Tri Star,
1166
01:19:56,666 --> 01:20:01,129
had lost $400,000 in billing in 2019
1167
01:20:01,213 --> 01:20:03,799
for work as Britney's business manager.
1168
01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:07,761
She requested a minimum of $500,000.
1169
01:20:09,846 --> 01:20:12,724
Yet it was a time
when Britney wasn't working.
1170
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,312
When Jamie was sent a bill
the month later,
1171
01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:19,231
he paid the funds the next day.
1172
01:20:22,776 --> 01:20:27,656
This is what Jamie Spears, in July 2020,
1173
01:20:27,739 --> 01:20:30,408
said of Britney Spears,
1174
01:20:30,492 --> 01:20:32,994
of the conservatorship
and the need for it.
1175
01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:35,497
Why don't we do here?
1176
01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:40,293
"James P. Spears respectfully submits
this status update
1177
01:20:40,377 --> 01:20:44,381
to provide information in advance of
and regarding some of the topics
1178
01:20:44,464 --> 01:20:46,508
that were addressed at the last hearing."
1179
01:20:46,591 --> 01:20:51,972
"The conservatee, Britney, has refused
to engage in any business activities,
1180
01:20:52,055 --> 01:20:56,017
including making a non-performing
appearance at a local pop-up store
1181
01:20:56,101 --> 01:20:59,312
dedicated to the conservatee,
where minimal effort was required,
1182
01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:03,191
resulting in the estate being required
to refund the advance it had received
1183
01:21:03,275 --> 01:21:05,569
in the amount of $1 million."
1184
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,612
"The conservatee's lack
of cooperation
1185
01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:09,155
in her own financial well-being
1186
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:12,701
and preservation of her continued stature
as an iconic artist
1187
01:21:12,784 --> 01:21:15,036
has deteriorated rather than improved."
1188
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,080
"As a result
of the conservatee's trajectory,
1189
01:21:17,163 --> 01:21:19,666
Mr. Spears has been working
to establish a model
1190
01:21:19,749 --> 01:21:22,878
where Ms. Spear's
current lifestyle can be preserved
1191
01:21:22,961 --> 01:21:26,548
and her needs met
based solely on passive income."
1192
01:21:26,631 --> 01:21:28,592
"Given the state of the economy
1193
01:21:28,675 --> 01:21:31,094
and this enormous cost
of maintaining her lifestyle,
1194
01:21:31,177 --> 01:21:32,929
this is a tall order."
1195
01:21:33,013 --> 01:21:36,016
Her lifestyle,
which includes all these legal bills.
1196
01:21:42,105 --> 01:21:45,483
All of these interviews
and all of these hours talking to her
1197
01:21:45,567 --> 01:21:49,696
and describing her
and criticizing her and limiting her,
1198
01:21:49,779 --> 01:21:53,950
and none of this led to anything.
1199
01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:55,535
It just all stayed the same.
1200
01:21:55,619 --> 01:21:59,998
They could go into court a million times,
keep doing hearing after hearing,
1201
01:22:00,081 --> 01:22:02,918
filing after filing,
and analysis after analysis,
1202
01:22:03,001 --> 01:22:06,922
and never change anything,
and she's still in this situation.
1203
01:22:07,881 --> 01:22:09,591
- How do you get out?
- I just...
1204
01:22:10,258 --> 01:22:12,928
You don't get out until you scream.
1205
01:22:31,655 --> 01:22:34,866
If you were able to speak to her,
what would you tell her?
1206
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:36,076
What would you say?
1207
01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:38,370
I feel like,
maybe I'd apologize.
1208
01:22:38,453 --> 01:22:40,956
I feel like I didn't, you know, do enough,
1209
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:44,042
and maybe I would just... let her know
1210
01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:47,545
that I felt bad about
not being able to help more.
1211
01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:52,217
I don't understand how the legal system
has let this go on for so long.
1212
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:56,972
Maybe it's like the first one of its kind
and they don't know how to handle it,
1213
01:22:57,055 --> 01:22:59,683
but it seems like it's an epic fail
of the legal system
1214
01:22:59,766 --> 01:23:02,018
that this has gone on for so long
1215
01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:04,813
and that there's been no resolution even.
1216
01:23:04,896 --> 01:23:06,731
It just seems like it keeps getting worse.
1217
01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:16,366
It feels like something's gonna happen.
Definitely, something's gonna happen.
1218
01:23:17,701 --> 01:23:19,703
- What do we want?
- Free Britney!
1219
01:23:19,786 --> 01:23:21,347
- When do we want it?
- Now!
1220
01:23:21,371 --> 01:23:23,251
- What do we want?
- Free Britney!
1221
01:23:23,289 --> 01:23:25,458
- When do we want it?
- Now!
1222
01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:27,002
So you're in?
1223
01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:29,087
It's not playing anything.
1224
01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:31,715
It's 4:30.
1225
01:23:35,301 --> 01:23:37,470
This is us trying
to get into the court hearing.
1226
01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:40,348
Free Britney now!
1227
01:23:40,432 --> 01:23:43,184
Today will be the first time
she will speak.
1228
01:23:43,268 --> 01:23:46,938
At stake is control
of the 39-year-old singer's career
1229
01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:49,232
and $60 million fortune.
1230
01:24:08,918 --> 01:24:13,715
Going through introductions-
slash-formalities, Britney says, quote,
1231
01:24:18,053 --> 01:24:20,555
I have a lot to say,
so bear with me.
1232
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:26,895
I don't think I was heard on any level
when I came to court the last time.
1233
01:24:28,188 --> 01:24:31,107
I brought four sheets of paper in my hand
and wrote in length
1234
01:24:31,191 --> 01:24:34,152
what I had been through
the last four months before I came there.
1235
01:24:34,652 --> 01:24:38,323
The people who did that to me
should not be able to walk away so easily.
1236
01:24:38,406 --> 01:24:39,449
I'll recap.
1237
01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:43,119
I was on tour.
My management said if I don't do this,
1238
01:24:43,203 --> 01:24:45,413
I will have to find an attorney,
and by contract,
1239
01:24:45,497 --> 01:24:49,542
my own management could sue me
if I didn't follow through with the tour.
1240
01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:51,169
It was very threatening and scary,
1241
01:24:51,252 --> 01:24:54,214
and with the conservatorship,
I couldn't even get my own attorney.
1242
01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,133
So, out of fear,
I went ahead and I did the tour.
1243
01:24:57,634 --> 01:25:01,679
When I came off that tour, a new show
in Las Vegas was supposed to take place.
1244
01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:04,140
I started rehearsing early,
but it was hard
1245
01:25:04,224 --> 01:25:08,186
'cause I'd been doing Vegas for four years
and I needed a break in between.
1246
01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:11,940
But, no, I was told, "This is the timeline
and this is how it's gonna go."
1247
01:25:12,565 --> 01:25:15,401
I was basically directing
most of the show.
1248
01:25:15,485 --> 01:25:18,947
I taught my dancers
my new choreography myself.
1249
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:21,866
I wasn't good. I was great.
1250
01:25:28,248 --> 01:25:32,168
They said, if I don't want to do
the new Vegas show, I don't have to.
1251
01:25:32,252 --> 01:25:35,296
It was like lifting,
literally, 200 pounds off of me.
1252
01:25:36,631 --> 01:25:40,301
He immediately, the next day,
put me on lithium out of nowhere.
1253
01:25:40,385 --> 01:25:42,971
He took me off my normal meds
I'd been on for five years.
1254
01:25:43,054 --> 01:25:46,432
And lithium is a very, very strong
and completely different medication
1255
01:25:46,516 --> 01:25:47,976
compared to what I was used to.
1256
01:25:48,643 --> 01:25:51,062
Not only did my family not do
a goddamn thing,
1257
01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:52,605
my dad was all for it.
1258
01:25:53,398 --> 01:25:55,608
He loved every minute of it.
1259
01:25:55,692 --> 01:25:58,945
The control he had over someone
as powerful as me...
1260
01:26:00,321 --> 01:26:03,783
100,000% he loved it.
1261
01:26:05,994 --> 01:26:09,038
That's why I'm telling you this again,
two years later,
1262
01:26:09,122 --> 01:26:12,500
after I've lied and told the whole world
I'm okay and happy,
1263
01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:13,585
it's a lie.
1264
01:26:13,668 --> 01:26:17,172
I thought maybe I said that enough,
maybe I might become happy
1265
01:26:17,255 --> 01:26:19,966
because I've been in denial,
I've been in shock.
1266
01:26:20,049 --> 01:26:21,676
I am traumatized.
1267
01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:24,179
But now I'm telling you the truth.
1268
01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:25,972
I'm not happy. I can't sleep.
1269
01:26:26,055 --> 01:26:29,976
I'm so angry, it's insane.
And I'm depressed. I cry every day.
1270
01:26:30,059 --> 01:26:32,259
The reason I'm telling you this is
because I don't think
1271
01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:35,565
how the state of California can have
all this written in the court documents
1272
01:26:35,648 --> 01:26:37,984
from the time I showed up
and do absolutely nothing.
1273
01:26:38,067 --> 01:26:42,113
Ma'am, my dad and anyone involved
in this conservatorship should be in jail.
1274
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:46,034
The last time I spoke to you,
it made me feel like I was dead,
1275
01:26:46,117 --> 01:26:47,452
like I didn't matter.
1276
01:26:47,535 --> 01:26:50,788
I'm telling you this again,
so maybe you can understand the depth
1277
01:26:50,872 --> 01:26:54,584
and the degree and the damage
that they did to me back then.
1278
01:26:54,667 --> 01:26:58,087
It's embarrassing and demoralizing
what I've been through,
1279
01:26:58,171 --> 01:27:00,882
and that's the main reason
I've never said it openly.
1280
01:27:00,965 --> 01:27:02,550
And I didn't want to say it openly
1281
01:27:02,634 --> 01:27:05,428
'cause I honestly didn't think
anyone would believe me.
1282
01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,933
I just want my life back.
It's been 13 years and it's enough.
1283
01:27:10,016 --> 01:27:13,061
It makes no sense whatsoever
for the state of California to sit back
1284
01:27:13,144 --> 01:27:16,564
and literally watch me make a living
for so many people
1285
01:27:16,648 --> 01:27:19,108
and be told I'm not good enough.
1286
01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:21,819
But I'm great at what I do.
1287
01:27:33,623 --> 01:27:37,126
Britney, Britney, Britney!
1288
01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:40,672
I feel ganged up on, and I feel bullied,
1289
01:27:40,755 --> 01:27:43,424
and I feel left out and alone.
1290
01:27:43,508 --> 01:27:45,760
And I'm tired of feeling alone.
1291
01:27:45,843 --> 01:27:48,680
I deserve to have the same rights
as anybody does
1292
01:27:48,763 --> 01:27:52,475
by having a child,
a family, any of those things.
1293
01:27:53,559 --> 01:27:55,186
That's all I wanted to say to you,
1294
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:58,147
and thank you so much
for letting me speak to you today.
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