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Everybody needs a little bit of luck. 12 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:20,330 But it's literally an Olympian level 13 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:23,166 of talent and hard work that goes into that. 14 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:26,461 Everything about her was strong and fearless. 15 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:28,505 I mean, there was no stopping her. 16 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:33,760 It all exploded after Britney became famous. 17 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:36,638 Suddenly, she was spiraling out of control, 18 00:01:36,721 --> 00:01:39,557 and it was clear she was having a crisis. 19 00:01:39,641 --> 00:01:41,952 Are you concerned for your daughter, Mr. Spears? 20 00:01:41,976 --> 00:01:44,979 What began as temporary control over her life 21 00:01:45,063 --> 00:01:47,982 and her money and her business became permanent. 22 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:52,070 They felt they had to do it to protect Britney. 23 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,364 Britney is no longe r a free person. 24 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:56,950 She doesn't have basic human rights. 25 00:01:57,033 --> 00:01:59,494 She can't write a check or have a credit card. 26 00:01:59,577 --> 00:02:02,580 If she doesn't behave, she loses custody of her kids. 27 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:07,244 There's other people that've tried to help. They've paid a heavy price. 28 00:02:08,628 --> 00:02:12,132 She is limited on how she can voice her wishes. 29 00:02:13,007 --> 00:02:16,761 I just want my life back. And it's been 13 years and it's enough. 30 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:45,456 All right, so let's do our least favorite thing in the world, 31 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:49,210 which just means calling random strangers and saying, 32 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:51,421 "Hey, can you talk to me about Britney Spears?" 33 00:02:55,466 --> 00:02:59,012 Hi, Kim, my name is Erin Lee Carr, and I'm a documentary filmmaker. 34 00:02:59,095 --> 00:03:02,223 I'm directing a project about Britney. 35 00:03:03,391 --> 00:03:06,728 Two years ago, I began making a movi e about Britney Spears 36 00:03:06,811 --> 00:03:08,313 with journalist Jenny Eliscu. 37 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:11,107 Hey, this is Jenny Eliscu. 38 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:14,194 I'm not sure if you remember me from, uh, years ago. 39 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:18,239 We met when I was working on a Rolling Stone article about Britney. 40 00:03:18,323 --> 00:03:21,492 The movie was going to be about her artistry and the media portrayal. 41 00:03:22,118 --> 00:03:24,954 And can someone say wow to those dance moves? 42 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:35,381 But the story was also about power and control. 43 00:03:36,549 --> 00:03:38,927 Full of conspiracy and rumors. 44 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:40,637 And no one would talk. 45 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:44,474 Until they did. 46 00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:51,731 I was 10 when Britney came on the scene. 47 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:57,111 I remember grabbing the CD with a flower on it that's Baby One More Time 48 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:58,780 and putting it into my boombox. 49 00:03:59,864 --> 00:04:01,950 You know, my dad would knock on the door. 50 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:05,662 And he said, "Why are you listening to this over and over again?" 51 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:09,207 I was obsessed. 52 00:04:11,167 --> 00:04:13,920 ♪ Hit me, baby, one more time ♪ 53 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:17,799 Britney! Britney! 54 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:18,882 I love her. 55 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:24,555 At 16 years old, Britney was a sensation and she was no one-hit wonder. 56 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:31,521 From 1998 to 2003, her worldwide record sales totaled over $73 million. 57 00:04:33,606 --> 00:04:36,150 Britney had a work ethic like none other, 58 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:38,403 but she's never been motivated by money. 59 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:41,072 She just was doing something she loved. 60 00:04:41,155 --> 00:04:45,118 She was in control and involved in every process. 61 00:04:45,201 --> 00:04:49,247 I'm open to ideas. If they come up with something better, then heck, I'll do it. 62 00:04:49,330 --> 00:04:51,916 She was like, "I'm the boss. I'm gonna do what I want." 63 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:56,337 You can see, like, that girl is just on fire. 64 00:04:56,421 --> 00:05:01,175 ♪ I'm a slave for you ♪ 65 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:05,471 The best thing about being famous is knowing that, financially, 66 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:08,224 I'll be able to support my family, no matter what. 67 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:09,309 Britney Spears! 68 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:14,605 By 2004, she was one of the biggest selling female artists of her generation. 69 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:15,982 Hit after hit. 70 00:05:16,065 --> 00:05:18,609 The world couldn't get enough of Britney. 71 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,287 Then, suddenly, Britney stopped making music. 72 00:05:29,370 --> 00:05:32,957 She fell in love with a backup dancer, Kevin Federline. 73 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,837 On a transatlantic flight, Britney proposed to Kevin. 74 00:05:40,965 --> 00:05:43,676 They got married and quickly had two children. 75 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:49,307 But two years later, the marriage was over and Britney had filed for divorce. 76 00:05:49,390 --> 00:05:51,809 It's the biggest news in the country, ladies and gentlemen. 77 00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:54,771 Britney Spears is leaving K-Fed! 78 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,567 Confetti! 79 00:06:00,818 --> 00:06:03,821 Britney was out on the town, looking as confident as ever. 80 00:06:03,905 --> 00:06:06,407 Now hopefully, with her divorce almost finalized, 81 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,868 she would get back to performing for us. 82 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:15,124 But what seemed like the beginning of her regaining control... 83 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:18,127 was really the end. 84 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:30,723 The very first time I was assigned Britney, 85 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:34,018 she was in the middle of this divorce with Kevin. 86 00:06:34,102 --> 00:06:36,896 I was working for an agency, okay? 87 00:06:36,979 --> 00:06:39,816 They gave me the address. They said, "Sit outside the house." 88 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:41,776 "When she comes out, follow her." 89 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,656 My job was to take pictures of her, right? 90 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:51,536 That period, I was a photographer, and, you know, I was good at it. 91 00:06:52,203 --> 00:06:54,956 I excelled and I learned the job real quick. 92 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:04,298 This is a job for adrenaline junkies and those with a gambling addiction. 93 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:07,927 There's nothing sexier than waking up and they say, 94 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:09,220 "This is your assignment." 95 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:11,180 You open it up and don't know who it is. 96 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:14,642 Male, female, actor, singer, sports celebrity. 97 00:07:14,725 --> 00:07:16,561 So, as a photographer, 98 00:07:16,644 --> 00:07:20,982 you can get a few hundred thousand dollars for a picture of Britney. 99 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:24,569 At the time of the divorce, 100 00:07:24,652 --> 00:07:27,613 Britney was relentlessly chased by the paparazzi. 101 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:31,576 At the same time, she had friendships with some of them. 102 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:33,953 Beautiful. 103 00:07:34,662 --> 00:07:36,747 One night, the agency calls me 104 00:07:36,831 --> 00:07:38,958 and tells me the gas station that Britney's at. 105 00:07:39,041 --> 00:07:40,251 I drive down there. 106 00:07:40,334 --> 00:07:43,379 At the gas station, everyone's taking pictures. 107 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:46,591 Twenty dollars' worth of gas. 108 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:49,093 She was having problems with the gas. 109 00:07:49,177 --> 00:07:50,261 You want me to fill it? 110 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:53,181 I asked Britney, "Can I help you?" 111 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:55,892 So I start doing it. 112 00:08:00,730 --> 00:08:04,901 And then, one day a photographer calls me and says, "Britney's asking for you." 113 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:06,611 "What do you mean, she's asking for me?" 114 00:08:06,694 --> 00:08:10,156 Then another photographer calls me who doesn't know the first photographer. 115 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:12,867 And he's like, "Hey, bro. Britney's asking for you." 116 00:08:13,451 --> 00:08:15,371 - Where's...? You, come here. - Back it up. 117 00:08:15,411 --> 00:08:18,414 She felt better if I was present. She felt safer. 118 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:20,041 Those are her words, not mine. 119 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:23,586 Where's Adnan? 120 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:25,004 He's off. 121 00:08:25,087 --> 00:08:26,464 He's out today. 122 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:27,924 I'll let him know. 123 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:36,766 It was a very simple, very easy relationship, you know? 124 00:08:37,391 --> 00:08:41,437 But between her fans and everybody else, it was like I was the bad guy. 125 00:08:43,022 --> 00:08:44,398 Oh, my Lord. 126 00:08:44,482 --> 00:08:48,277 Like that Disney story, you always want the Prince Charming to be 127 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:52,532 as equally as attractive and equally as beautiful and equally as charming. 128 00:08:52,615 --> 00:08:54,575 We didn't have that balance. 129 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:57,578 There was this multimillionaire and me. 130 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:01,999 And then there was this famous girl, and then there was me. 131 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:05,878 There was this white girl, and there was me. 132 00:09:07,755 --> 00:09:10,091 There were nights where she was up 133 00:09:10,174 --> 00:09:12,718 and I had to stay up with her, and it's hard. 134 00:09:12,802 --> 00:09:14,679 To stay up for three days, it's hard, 135 00:09:14,762 --> 00:09:17,473 but you have that fear, it's a very real fear, 136 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:19,475 that if anything happens to her, 137 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:23,104 they're just gonna blame you. It's just so much easier to blame you. 138 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:27,650 She was taking Adderall. 139 00:09:27,733 --> 00:09:31,988 I'm sure x-amount of millions of people are taking Adderall. 140 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:37,785 But these are the things that become volatile and deadly weapons 141 00:09:37,868 --> 00:09:40,746 when you're going through a child custody case. 142 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:45,876 Hi, Adnan, how are you? 143 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:49,422 Are you okay? Are you guys in love? 144 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:02,852 What was apparent to me during this divorce with Kevin 145 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:06,522 was, you know, she never had one person she could trust, not one. 146 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,984 Not Mom, not Dad, not friends, not her sister. 147 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:11,402 Anybody. 148 00:10:11,485 --> 00:10:15,197 And that's a very scary, dark place to be. 149 00:10:25,458 --> 00:10:31,172 The hearing this afternoon had to do with a continued interim, 150 00:10:31,255 --> 00:10:32,923 or temporary order, 151 00:10:33,007 --> 00:10:37,928 that was based on Mr. Federline's original request to modify custody. 152 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:40,514 Hold on. Hey, hey. Get back. Get back, sir. 153 00:10:40,598 --> 00:10:43,434 - You guys have got to get back. - Britney! 154 00:10:43,517 --> 00:10:44,977 We love you, Britney! 155 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:49,440 By 2007, Britney's divorce from Kevin was heating up. 156 00:10:50,733 --> 00:10:54,862 What many thought would be a simple case, guided by a strong prenuptial agreement, 157 00:10:54,945 --> 00:10:56,906 now seemed to be in question. 158 00:10:56,989 --> 00:11:02,036 Ironclad prenup's a little bit like the Titanic could never sink. 159 00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:06,248 For every ironclad prenup, there's a group of attorneys out there 160 00:11:06,332 --> 00:11:07,875 that will try to tear it apart. 161 00:11:08,501 --> 00:11:11,253 Mark Vincent Kaplan, he's the K-Fed lawyer. 162 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:15,466 He's like this kind of old guard, bigtime custody lawyer 163 00:11:15,549 --> 00:11:19,345 you might call in a contentious divorce custody case. 164 00:11:19,428 --> 00:11:22,306 He seemed to love being the spokesperson 165 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:26,143 for this high-profile divorce and custody case. 166 00:11:26,227 --> 00:11:29,814 And he definitely has a flair for making a public statement. 167 00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:34,985 The ultimate attack is, how are the children doing? 168 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:37,029 How safe are the children? 169 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,573 The kids become just pawns. 170 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:44,704 Kevin is concerned that the more time that the children are with him, 171 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:47,123 he feels the more insulated they are from, uh... 172 00:11:48,582 --> 00:11:52,420 risks that would otherwise be constantly visited upon them. 173 00:11:53,087 --> 00:11:57,425 People that care about the children will provide information 174 00:11:57,508 --> 00:12:00,177 that is relevant to their best interest. 175 00:12:00,261 --> 00:12:03,889 There's nothing new, no new facts, there's not an emergency? 176 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,433 All of those things are true. 177 00:12:05,516 --> 00:12:09,311 I'd represented high-profile people and celebrities before, 178 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:14,567 but this was an order of magnitude far different than anything I'd experienced. 179 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:19,488 And I had to hit the deck running and learn how to work with the media 180 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:22,199 so that they weren't working against my client. 181 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,912 Kevin had been treated pretty unfairly. 182 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:29,749 They were saying, "He's an unconcerned parent." 183 00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:34,628 Other people were saying, "Oh, he's just merely a gold digger." 184 00:12:34,712 --> 00:12:37,381 He was in a position of not being able to win. 185 00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:39,717 Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. 186 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,561 People wanted to sort of speak ill of him or use him as a joke. 187 00:12:42,636 --> 00:12:43,804 Why'd you think that was? 188 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:49,643 Well, keep in mind when Kevin and Britney first got married, 189 00:12:49,727 --> 00:12:55,149 she was America's sweetheart. And in many respects, she still is. 190 00:12:55,232 --> 00:13:01,197 And they saw Kevin as someone who in their view, whoever "their" is, 191 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,951 wasn't worthy of having that unique relationship with America's sweetheart. 192 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:10,539 They attempted to penalize him for that as much as they could and they... 193 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:12,249 The press was brutal. 194 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:15,002 But as the case progressed, 195 00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:18,839 um, I think she did certain things 196 00:13:18,923 --> 00:13:23,427 that the press found worthy of a media frenzy. 197 00:13:30,142 --> 00:13:34,563 As the custody case was battled out in court, the media frenzy only grew. 198 00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:39,944 Everyone seemed to have opinion about Britney Spears. 199 00:13:40,027 --> 00:13:42,363 The media focused less on her music 200 00:13:42,446 --> 00:13:44,782 and more on the way that she was living her life. 201 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:51,914 Britney cycled through legal teams, and became more and more isolated. 202 00:13:52,456 --> 00:13:56,335 There was a period of estrangement between Britney and both of her parents 203 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:59,046 by fall of 2007. 204 00:13:59,129 --> 00:14:01,757 I don't know how long the estrangements were, where... 205 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,968 Whether there was maybe sporadic communication, 206 00:14:04,051 --> 00:14:07,137 but some sources I spoke to talked about Britney 207 00:14:07,221 --> 00:14:10,599 having a fear that her family would barge in, 208 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:14,979 I think is how it was put, and take everything. 209 00:14:15,062 --> 00:14:20,317 I mean, and that's, you know, that's how-slash-when Sam Lutfi got in. 210 00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:22,444 Who is Sam Lutfi? 211 00:14:22,528 --> 00:14:27,825 Sam Lutfi is the person frequently blamed by both of her parents 212 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:30,244 for her public downfall. 213 00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:34,790 There was a lot of controversy around Sam Lutfi 214 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:38,002 and what role he played in this brief period of Britney's life. 215 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:43,549 First question. Can you please introduce yourself to us? 216 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:47,011 - Uh, I'm Sam Lutfi. - And who are you? 217 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,848 I'm Britney Spears's former manager. 218 00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:55,978 But in court documents newly discovered from Britney's divorce, 219 00:14:56,061 --> 00:14:59,064 she testified that he was just her "friend sometimes." 220 00:14:59,857 --> 00:15:01,901 Somebody who helped "get groceries." 221 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:10,534 In that time period, he went from being the sometimes friend 222 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:12,953 to somebody calling the shots. 223 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:16,540 We met at a bar. We started talking. 224 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:18,167 She was very funny. 225 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:20,419 Uh, we had a great conversation. 226 00:15:21,003 --> 00:15:25,007 Um, she had asked me if I'd seen things that were in the press. 227 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:29,219 I said, "Of course. Like, who hasn't?" You know, making light of the situation. 228 00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:31,096 She asked for my phone number. 229 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,242 And then left and I never thought I was gonna hear from her again. 230 00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:37,561 Then I get a call from her one night and she tells me, 231 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:38,646 "I need your help." 232 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:40,564 Hey, guys. Just be careful. 233 00:15:40,648 --> 00:15:42,566 Just clear this side for a second. 234 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:47,237 You could see that the divorce was impacting her a lot. 235 00:15:47,321 --> 00:15:49,740 And my question to her the whole time was, 236 00:15:50,741 --> 00:15:53,202 "I think the best thing would be to have your family around." 237 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:55,162 "There's nothing like having your mom around." 238 00:15:55,245 --> 00:15:59,792 That's how it is in my life, but I was just projecting that onto that. 239 00:16:00,417 --> 00:16:02,503 Um, and she would just say, 240 00:16:02,586 --> 00:16:06,423 "My relationship is not like your relationship with your family." 241 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:09,343 I thought, "What's the issue?" And so she would... 242 00:16:09,426 --> 00:16:11,303 We would talk about Lynne, 243 00:16:11,929 --> 00:16:13,681 uh, in depth. 244 00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:16,809 So there was numerous issues that were going on. 245 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:19,770 And how was her father Jamie involved? 246 00:16:20,437 --> 00:16:21,605 Not at all. 247 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:24,817 Was it a short amount of time, a long amount of time? 248 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:27,861 Uh, from what I believe, it's been years. 249 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:35,369 In the eye of the storm that was 2007, 250 00:16:35,452 --> 00:16:39,623 Britney was still able to record and produce an entire studio record. 251 00:16:39,707 --> 00:16:40,958 ♪ It's Britney, bitch ♪ 252 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:46,505 The album was Blackout and it sold in the millions. 253 00:16:46,588 --> 00:16:48,549 It is widely considered her best work. 254 00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:54,555 The music and the videos from Blackout portrayed a pop-y version 255 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:57,683 of what had become the story of Britney's real life. 256 00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:01,645 A woman hunted and often on the run. 257 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:07,776 This would foreshadow a much darker turn for Britney. 258 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:11,238 There are paparazzi images of Britney in 2007 259 00:17:11,822 --> 00:17:14,241 that have been seen millions of times. 260 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:18,203 These images are often coupled with headlines like, 261 00:17:18,287 --> 00:17:20,956 "Meltdown" or "Rock Bottom." 262 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,044 Looking back, you can see she was just a person, 263 00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:27,880 a person who needed help. 264 00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:41,894 Throughout that year, paparazzi continued to follow Britney aggressively 265 00:17:41,977 --> 00:17:43,604 around Los Angeles. 266 00:17:48,776 --> 00:17:49,985 She's crazy. 267 00:17:51,153 --> 00:17:52,321 Oh, my God. 268 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,077 She drove at high speeds to avoid them, 269 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,454 sometimes running red lights. 270 00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:03,791 There were concerns that if these car chases continued, 271 00:18:03,874 --> 00:18:06,251 something terrible could happen. 272 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:14,718 A lot of people argue 273 00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:17,763 that she was crazy, right? 274 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:20,516 You know, and I fucking hate that word. 275 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,435 Would you say she was upset, would you say she was angry, 276 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:25,395 or would you say she was hurt? 277 00:18:25,479 --> 00:18:27,606 I'd choose all of them before I'd choose crazy. 278 00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:08,730 In January 2008, police were called to Britney's residence. 279 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:10,899 She had locked herself in a room, 280 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:14,403 refusing to turn over the children to Federline's bodyguard 281 00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:16,405 at the court appointed time. 282 00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:06,747 Listen up! 283 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:08,999 Cedar Sinai, this is their property, 284 00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:11,960 including the sidewalk that you are standing on. 285 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,462 I need to you to move. 286 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:19,551 At the hospital there was Kevin, Mark Vincent Kaplan, his lawyer, 287 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:21,929 and Britney's father. 288 00:20:24,097 --> 00:20:27,226 Britney's parents had been divorced since 2002. 289 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,400 Britney was so close with her mother. 290 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:32,231 When we were on tour, 291 00:20:32,314 --> 00:20:34,483 I mean, she and Lynne talked at least... 292 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:37,486 Oh, gosh. At the very least, two or three times a day. 293 00:20:37,569 --> 00:20:39,363 And what about her dad, Jamie? 294 00:20:39,446 --> 00:20:43,742 Okay, I don't wanna talk about her daddy. I don't wanna talk about Jamie. 295 00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:44,993 Um... 296 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:49,790 The reason I don't... I will tell you this just so we'll know. 297 00:20:49,873 --> 00:20:53,252 Jamie wasn't with us very often, hardly ever. 298 00:20:53,752 --> 00:20:56,338 Um, so it really was me and Lynne. 299 00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:00,342 A few days after Britney was released from the hospital, 300 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:01,718 a new figure emerged. 301 00:21:02,552 --> 00:21:04,638 Her name was Louise Taylor. 302 00:21:04,721 --> 00:21:08,850 And she went on The Today Show as a spokesperson for the Spears family. 303 00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:12,187 What I would like to say is that 304 00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:15,941 I really feel like people just do not know the Spears family. 305 00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:19,278 What they don't know about Jamie and Lynne Spears is that every day, 306 00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,863 Jamie goes to work as a professional chef, 307 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:25,826 asking the Lord to give him the strength to honor the people he works for 308 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:29,496 in the midst of circumstances, that Lynne Spears is a mother 309 00:21:29,579 --> 00:21:32,874 that is brokenhearted just because she's apart from her daughter. 310 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:34,876 She loves her daughter so much. 311 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,880 And again, asking every day for God to give her strength 312 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:41,174 and for her to continue to have hope. 313 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:45,887 I mean, I'm so disturbed, Meredith, where we've gotten to be as a people, 314 00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:49,808 the morbidity of us watching the depravity of people suffering, 315 00:21:49,891 --> 00:21:52,060 than to rally around and be hopeful. 316 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,939 So, really, for, I guess, for me to be self-indulgent for a moment, 317 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:59,609 that I would really hope that all those who seek God for strength in their life 318 00:21:59,693 --> 00:22:03,155 would be interceding for this family because Jamie Spears, 319 00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:05,991 Lynne Spears, Bryan, and Jamie Lynn Spears 320 00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:08,201 are all amazing people. 321 00:22:09,786 --> 00:22:13,623 From what I'd seen, no one had ever spoken on behalf of the Spears. 322 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:16,460 Who is Lou Taylor? 323 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:18,378 I will not touch that one. 324 00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:21,590 Sorry. 325 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,801 She will chew me up and spit me out. 326 00:22:28,805 --> 00:22:31,433 The custody suit grew more contentious 327 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:36,021 when the judge gave Kevin Federline full custody of the two boys. 328 00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:39,274 Soon thereafter, Britney would return to the hospital 329 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,361 under another involuntary psychiatric hold. 330 00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:45,572 Mr. Spears, what's going on? How's Britney doing? 331 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:49,576 Can you give us any word, any news on Britney? 332 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,581 Jamie Spears petitioned the State of California probate court 333 00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:56,375 for a new legal arrangement. 334 00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:00,921 It was called a conservatorship. 335 00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:23,193 I started working at Rolling Stone in '99. 336 00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:26,947 Britney was my second-ever cover story. 337 00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:30,325 I didn't give a shit about Britney Spears or pop music personally. 338 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,078 It's not something I paid attention to at all. 339 00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:39,418 Then I met her, and she was just so likable and sweet. 340 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:44,548 So, in late 2008, when I was assigned to do another cover story 341 00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:46,508 on Britney for Rolling Stone, 342 00:23:46,591 --> 00:23:50,512 I was excited 'cause I love her and hadn't seen her in a few years. 343 00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:52,556 And in spite of all of the drama, 344 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:55,267 I was just picturing it the same way it always would be, 345 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:57,686 and, you know, went to L.A. 346 00:23:57,769 --> 00:24:02,190 ready to spend some time and started to get told by the label 347 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,443 that I'd have to submit my questions ahead of time. 348 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:08,321 I said to the publicist, "But it's me, me and Britney." 349 00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:11,992 And she would say, "Oh, you know, we know Britney loves you, 350 00:24:12,075 --> 00:24:15,036 but we just... The conservatorship, we've got to." 351 00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:18,373 I was like, "What the fuck is a conservatorship?" 352 00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:29,801 A conservatorship is a legal process for taking somebody's ability 353 00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:32,304 to make their own decisions away from them 354 00:24:32,387 --> 00:24:36,141 and giving them to some third party, aka their conservator, 355 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:38,477 or in other states, it's the guardian. 356 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:44,191 Obviously, any process to deprive someone of those liberties 357 00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:46,276 and those freedoms would be something 358 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,571 we'd want to impose very rarely, only as a last resort, 359 00:24:49,654 --> 00:24:52,449 having tried and exhausted all other alternatives. 360 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:57,120 Some people have called conservatorship tantamount to a civil death. 361 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,291 There's conservatorship of the person, 362 00:25:01,374 --> 00:25:04,169 which is allowing someone else to make your decisions 363 00:25:04,252 --> 00:25:06,463 related to your personal affairs. 364 00:25:06,546 --> 00:25:10,342 They lose the ability to decide anything related to their healthcare, 365 00:25:10,425 --> 00:25:13,678 so their ability to provide or withhold informed consent 366 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:17,599 for treatments, including drugs, is taken away from them. 367 00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:19,559 And, in many cases, they lose their right 368 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:22,312 to decide who to visit with or receive visits from. 369 00:25:22,395 --> 00:25:25,482 They lose their right to communicate with people of their choosing 370 00:25:25,565 --> 00:25:27,400 over the telephone, over the computer. 371 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,529 For a conservatorship of the estate, 372 00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:33,490 which often goes with the conservatorship of the person, 373 00:25:33,573 --> 00:25:35,659 they're no longer in charge of their money, 374 00:25:35,742 --> 00:25:39,120 theoretically, even the $10 they might have in their pocket. 375 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:43,875 Jamie was made the sole conservator of the person. 376 00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:46,378 He had to share the conservatorship of the estate 377 00:25:46,461 --> 00:25:49,506 with a court-appointed attorney named Andrew Wallet. 378 00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:56,304 You had Jamie who had bankruptcy issues 379 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:59,474 and financial mismanagement of his own life, 380 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:03,353 and they said, "We have Andrew Wallet here as the co-conservator, 381 00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:05,272 and has a fiduciary interest," 382 00:26:05,355 --> 00:26:06,856 but in court documents, 383 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,569 he talked about the conservatorship as being a "hybrid business model." 384 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:22,998 According to the papers filed with the court on February 6, 2008, 385 00:26:23,081 --> 00:26:25,917 the conservators have access to all documents and records 386 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:27,544 related to Britney's estate. 387 00:26:27,627 --> 00:26:31,506 They can enter and take possession of her house, kick people out, 388 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,010 they can issue restraining orders, and employ security guards, 389 00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:37,887 they can use Britney's money to pay attorneys for matters 390 00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:41,725 involving the estate, open and operate businesses, 391 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:44,394 hire people for any position necessary, 392 00:26:44,477 --> 00:26:47,355 and pay them using funds from the estate. 393 00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:51,526 Why was Jamie made the conservator and not Lynne? 394 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,945 Jamie is intimidating, and people who have known him 395 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,530 and met him and worked with him, 396 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,616 and even had positive experiences with him, 397 00:26:57,699 --> 00:27:00,660 will still tell you that he is very intimidating 398 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:03,830 and when he's angry, you don't want to mess with him. 399 00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:07,167 They were really in a moment 400 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:10,503 where they felt they needed to keep away certain people, 401 00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:13,840 and he was like the bouncer. He could keep people out. 402 00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:16,384 Here we've got... 403 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,554 Larry Rudolph, Britney's longtime manager. 404 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:24,017 He started in 1996 as her attorney and then grew into her manager. 405 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,187 But, uh, in April of 2007, Britney fired him. 406 00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:32,734 Larry was the main person that Jamie Spears brought back 407 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:35,695 to get things running, and he's been her manager ever since. 408 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,907 And he often will say that he's not involved 409 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:42,202 with the conservatorship or that he doesn't know what goes on, 410 00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:44,663 that he only knows what goes on with Britney's work. 411 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,669 Louise Taylor, aka Lou, led business decisions at times 412 00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:52,712 over the course of the conservatorship. 413 00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,507 Louise Taylor's husband, Rob Taylor, 414 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:58,385 is the pastor of a church called Calvary Chapel. 415 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:02,764 Lou Taylor started appearing around 2008, 416 00:28:02,847 --> 00:28:05,058 before the conservatorship. 417 00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:08,520 And we know this because there is paparazzi footage of her 418 00:28:08,603 --> 00:28:10,105 with Britney's father, Jamie. 419 00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:18,196 And then she somehow managed to become Britney's business manager. 420 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:24,703 She is a Christian, so they trusted her a lot more because of that. 421 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,415 Lou Taylor, through her attorney Charles Harder, 422 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:30,583 sent me a pre-emptive legal letter 423 00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:36,339 regarding any mention of Lou Taylor or her company, Tri Star, in this film. 424 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,758 The letter was extensive. 425 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,708 When I got this notice, I was alarmed. 426 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:15,378 But receiving a letter from Lou Taylor or her attorney 427 00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:18,673 was not unusual for people involved in the story. 428 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:23,344 While Lou's involvement with Britney wasn't clear, 429 00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:27,348 what was apparent was that Jamie and Lou were very close. 430 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,935 Some sleuthing of Instagram showed Lou and her husband 431 00:29:31,019 --> 00:29:34,355 with Jamie on the day of his baptism at the Jordan River. 432 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:39,611 This is paperwork relating to Britney's condition 433 00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:41,279 at the start of the conservatorship. 434 00:29:41,362 --> 00:29:43,198 It's... It's kind of a standard form 435 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:46,326 where you indicate what the person's impairment is 436 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:48,077 that requires a conservatorship. 437 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:49,996 Specifically, this is interesting to us 438 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,166 because it's orders related to dementia placement. 439 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:04,427 You don't usually see dementia mentioned with, you know, with a young person. 440 00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:14,938 This is one of the most important filings in the entire conservatorship 441 00:30:15,021 --> 00:30:18,733 because when someone is being made a conservatee, 442 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,402 they're entitled to five days' heads-up, 443 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:25,198 so that if they want to contest it, or find a lawyer, et cetera, 444 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:26,825 they have time to do that. 445 00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:30,620 The only reason given for depriving Britney of five days' notice 446 00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:35,291 is that Sam Lutfi is dangerous and needs to be kept away. 447 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:38,753 Don't push! Don't push. 448 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,506 Get off! Off! Off! 449 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:46,553 It was total crisis mode with Sam, 450 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:50,515 and that is something that I don't believe has really been portrayed correctly, 451 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:53,768 is the level of crisis 452 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:57,689 at the moment that the conservatorship began. 453 00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,941 Are you going to get out? 454 00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:02,443 Oh, my God, please get the out of the way! 455 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:05,196 Now I'm scared you're gonna drive off without me. 456 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,740 Now get out of the passenger seat, get out of the car. 457 00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:10,118 Get out, get out, get out. Thank you. 458 00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:15,540 They felt they had to do it to protect Britney from Sam. 459 00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:18,209 We're sort of alluding to what happened, 460 00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:21,004 that something dangerous was happening with Sam. 461 00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:23,381 What do you think was going to happen? 462 00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:26,634 He was crushing drugs and putting them in her food 463 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:30,138 - and bragging about it to... - And you 100% believe that? 464 00:31:31,931 --> 00:31:32,931 Yeah. 465 00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:38,521 Drive my car, that's what I got to do. 466 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:44,569 You have a hundred blood tests and drug tests. 467 00:31:44,652 --> 00:31:47,488 The entire time I was with her, she passed every single one of them, 468 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:50,658 which is why the police never came to my door. 469 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,243 No one called the police. 470 00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:56,748 To be char... Accused of allegations that serious, 471 00:31:56,831 --> 00:32:02,295 that you're drugging the world's biggest star, you call the police. 472 00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:04,589 You call the FBI. You don't call TMZ. 473 00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:07,884 - I was the perfect scapegoat. - Why? 474 00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:11,304 I was new. They didn't know who I was. 475 00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:13,431 I was just an expendable guy. 476 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:16,434 Like, all right, if that's what you need to get this done 477 00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:18,837 and waive a five-day notice, and explain a five-day notice, 478 00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:24,317 it means that she would have been notified that this was gonna happen, 479 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,527 and she would've had the right to contest to it. 480 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:30,156 She would have obviously contested it. They knew that, everyone knew that. 481 00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:33,952 And so they had to do everything to prevent that from happening. 482 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,708 Sam would later sue Lynne Spears, Britney's mom, 483 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,337 for defamation based on her account of his involvement. 484 00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:30,299 Britney went with one of her dad's appointed security guards... 485 00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,136 out to get a hamburger. 486 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:36,139 As I am told, they both entered the restaurant, 487 00:33:36,222 --> 00:33:38,266 and Britney sort of did an about-face, 488 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:42,687 jumped into the car that he had brought her in and took off. 489 00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:48,359 Uh, she called me and said that she needed help. 490 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:53,948 I met her and a friend of hers at the Beverly Hills Hotel. 491 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,117 - Adnan Ghalib? - Correct. 492 00:33:57,952 --> 00:33:59,495 We called Adam. 493 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:03,875 He was a part of a firm that I had a relationship with. 494 00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:12,050 We were chased probably by, I don't know, 50, 75 vehicles. 495 00:34:15,636 --> 00:34:17,138 It is so mean. 496 00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:24,687 We met in my office, which was crazy, 497 00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:28,524 'cause we had helicopters swirling over the building. 498 00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:30,902 There must have been a hundred paparazzi. 499 00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:33,613 I sent down my secretary, 500 00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:35,823 who brought a guy from the mailroom 501 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:38,409 who's like 6'6" and 250 pounds, 502 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,662 to help Britney get up from the garage to my office. 503 00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:42,747 Yes. 504 00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:46,334 - I'm Adam's secretary. - We gotta go. 505 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:48,002 Just follow me. 506 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,088 My secretary, Dolores Gameros, 507 00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,674 who's like 5'4", was elbowing everybody out of the way 508 00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:55,676 and getting her through the crowd 509 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,555 and got her up to the office, which was just an unbelievable sight. 510 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:05,269 But you can imagine what it is like for anyone to have to go through that. 511 00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:14,445 Don't kick me! 512 00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:20,368 I can't tell you about what we talked about, right? Because that's privileged. 513 00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:23,579 But I can tell you what I told the court. 514 00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:29,293 So we walk into court and I said, 515 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,213 "Your Honor, she doesn't want her father to be the conservator." 516 00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:35,049 "She wants an independent to be the conservator." 517 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,678 She clearly understood the concept of a conservatorship. 518 00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:40,721 She understood what was going to happen. 519 00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,016 She could make some decisions about it, and let me say, 520 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:48,437 I'm not gonna say that in every case, every conservatorship case, 521 00:35:48,521 --> 00:35:52,233 it's inappropriate to have a family member as the conservator. 522 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:53,985 That would be going too far. 523 00:35:54,068 --> 00:36:00,449 But I will say that I generally prefer to see an independent professional 524 00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:01,784 as the conservator. 525 00:36:01,868 --> 00:36:06,622 And the reason is that family relationships are always complex. 526 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:09,917 When I told the judge what Britney wanted, 527 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:11,961 the judge looked at me and said, 528 00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:18,259 "Mr. Streisand, I have a report that says she does not have the capacity 529 00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:22,513 to retain counsel and have an attorney-client relationship." 530 00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:25,266 "So I'm sorry, Mr. Streisand, 531 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:27,643 but you're not gonna be able to represent her 532 00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:30,730 and I need to ask you to the leave the courtroom." And I did. 533 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:35,651 Can you give us a heads-up on what happened here today? 534 00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:36,736 No, I'm sorry. 535 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,614 - I've talked to the press. - How's Britney? 536 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:42,575 There's no law that says that conservatees 537 00:36:42,658 --> 00:36:44,952 have the right to the attorney of their choice. 538 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,413 It's a hole in the system, for sure, 539 00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:50,750 that allows the courts to impose their own ideas 540 00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:54,754 of what is the best representation for the conservatee. 541 00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:58,341 They have what's called this volunteer panel of lawyers, 542 00:36:58,424 --> 00:37:00,635 which basically means that the lawyers volunteer. 543 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:03,930 Doesn't mean they're working for free. Far from it. 544 00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:07,058 But they volunteer to get appointed by the court 545 00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:08,684 to represent people like Britney, 546 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:12,772 people who are conservatees or proposed conservatees. 547 00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:17,568 I can't tell you what happened in court after I left. 548 00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:21,113 I don't know whether Sam Ingham, 549 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:25,910 who was appointed as her lawyer, argued the way that I argued, 550 00:37:25,993 --> 00:37:28,746 that the conservator shouldn't be Britney's father. 551 00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:30,248 I've got my suspicions. 552 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:36,045 I sure hope Sam Ingham fought hard against, uh, against it, 553 00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:37,755 but I never heard that he did. 554 00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:44,011 We have very particular standards for conservatorship. 555 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:46,722 You have to be unable to meet your needs 556 00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:49,225 for food, clothing, health, and shelter. 557 00:37:49,308 --> 00:37:50,348 So let me put it this way, 558 00:37:50,393 --> 00:37:53,271 I've represented dozens of conservatees in court, 559 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,439 not one of them has ever had a job. 560 00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:01,529 Somebody called me from People and they said, 561 00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:06,158 "We're gonna write a story in regards to her father 562 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:08,744 wanting conservatorship of Britney." 563 00:38:09,745 --> 00:38:14,292 They basically, you know, explained it in one sentence. 564 00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:18,004 "He will be Britney Spears." That's all they said. 565 00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:21,173 I said, "What do you mean? Britney Spears is still here." 566 00:38:21,257 --> 00:38:27,763 "Nope. She no longer has rights or say over anything." 567 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:29,348 "He does." 568 00:38:29,432 --> 00:38:32,601 I'm like, "Well, why would that be the case?" 569 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:33,936 "She's functioning." 570 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:38,399 I watched her write the Blackout album on a Starbucks napkin 571 00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:41,610 on Ventura Boulevard in Studio City. 572 00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:46,741 I watched her sit there and put the moves together. 573 00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:49,368 And we're talking about, you know, 574 00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,455 what colors to use and, you know, the scenery, 575 00:38:52,538 --> 00:38:55,875 and the change of scenery, and the backdrop and costumes. 576 00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:58,878 She did all that, and you're telling me 577 00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:03,257 that her father's gonna get a conservatorship? 578 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,967 It didn't make sense to me. 579 00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:07,178 I'm from In Touch magazine. 580 00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:10,139 Let me give you a fucking clue, I don't talk to no-fucking-body. 581 00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,183 Why don't you talk to us? 582 00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,769 'Cause I never have to talk to anybody, you dumb fuck. 583 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:12,660 The source said, 584 00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:16,455 "This is a confidential report only a select few have access." 585 00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:18,416 "Most doctors and other professionals 586 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,668 have not been publicly connected to the case 587 00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,378 and would like to remain that way." 588 00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,924 "The report was produced by a doctor that resigned from the case in 2013." 589 00:40:30,136 --> 00:40:32,555 Look at this sentence right here. Read it out loud. 590 00:40:32,638 --> 00:40:37,017 "Britney Spears lacks capacity to retain and direct counsel." 591 00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:42,398 "Britney Spears lacks the capacity to understand or manage 592 00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:46,861 her own financial affairs without being subject to undue influence." 593 00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:50,448 What's wild is, at the same time this report was written, 594 00:40:50,531 --> 00:40:52,199 Britney was back to work. 595 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,660 She was on the set of How I Met Your Mother. 596 00:40:54,743 --> 00:40:57,329 Sir, please don't yell at me, because when people yell at me, 597 00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:59,415 I have a tendency to start crying. 598 00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:03,461 The episode was out within two months of the conservatorship starting. 599 00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:05,713 When they're rude to you, hang up the phone. 600 00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:09,633 Yet we have paperwork that says she had dementia. 601 00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:15,014 How is someone who is that ill well enough to go to work? 602 00:41:22,062 --> 00:41:24,231 "Caution should also be exercised 603 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:27,067 so as not to accelerate her return to work 604 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:29,987 faster than her emotional recovery allows, 605 00:41:30,070 --> 00:41:34,492 lest she have a relapse that would undo the progress she has made thus far." 606 00:41:35,201 --> 00:41:38,871 The medical team said that Britney lacked capacity, 607 00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:42,708 but who was the original doctor that made that decision? 608 00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:45,878 In looking at the publicly available court documents, 609 00:41:45,961 --> 00:41:49,298 there was only one name listed in the initial evaluation, 610 00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:51,509 a Dr. J. Edward Spar. 611 00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:54,762 I needed to confirm that he was the doctor 612 00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:59,433 that conducted the medical evaluation that kept the conservatorship in place. 613 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:00,518 We're ready for slate. 614 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:02,436 And what the justification was. 615 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,355 Dr. James, uh... 616 00:42:04,438 --> 00:42:05,856 - Spar. - Spar. 617 00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:07,650 Take one, mark. 618 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:08,734 Thank you. 619 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,279 Dr. Spar, tell me about your work. 620 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,533 I am a retired, uh, geriatric psychiatrist 621 00:42:15,616 --> 00:42:19,286 and still do the occasional consultation for attorneys, 622 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:23,165 including, you know, contested conservatorships sometimes. 623 00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:25,918 Had you heard of Britney Spears' music before you met her? 624 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:30,130 You know, uh, I'm not a fan. I don't listen to music of that ilk. 625 00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:32,174 But, yeah, I know who she is. 626 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,469 - Wait, before I met her? - Yeah. 627 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,181 Oh, wait, I'm not going to acknowledge that I've ever met her. 628 00:42:39,723 --> 00:42:42,101 Do you specialize in dementia? 629 00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:44,270 Well, I'm a geriatric psychiatrist, 630 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:47,690 so that's one of the things that geriatric psychiatrists 631 00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,067 spend a lot of time and energy on, yeah. 632 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:53,571 Is that why you were brought in to evaluate Britney Spears? 633 00:42:55,114 --> 00:43:00,411 I'm not going to verify that I was ever brought in to evaluate Britney Spears. 634 00:43:00,494 --> 00:43:02,454 So here is a court document 635 00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:05,249 that said, uh, "According to Dr. Spar's declaration." 636 00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:10,713 Okay. Again, show me my signed declaration. 637 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,635 If you show me a public document with my signature on it, 638 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,013 I will verify my signature. 639 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,850 Other than that, I'm not gonna talk about 640 00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:27,187 whether anybody ever retained me to see anybody, not just Britney Spears. 641 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:29,440 These are confidential evaluations. 642 00:43:29,523 --> 00:43:31,525 But you think, for the most part, 643 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:35,988 that conservatorships are, um, mostly to help people? 644 00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:39,617 The ones where I have been involved, 645 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,411 the person who's filing for the conservatorship 646 00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:44,663 believes that they are acting in the interests 647 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:46,665 of their proposed conservatee. 648 00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:49,460 They're trying to protect them from something. 649 00:43:49,543 --> 00:43:52,129 Usually, most of the cases I've been involved in, 650 00:43:52,212 --> 00:43:54,173 what they're trying to protect them from 651 00:43:54,256 --> 00:43:57,885 is a predatory individual after that person's money. 652 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,521 I get a phone call from her father. 653 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:12,775 And he's like, "I need you to come home right now." 654 00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,486 I said, "We'll come home when we come home." 655 00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:18,280 And he said, "No, you need to bring her home now." 656 00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:21,450 "I'm the conservator of her estate." 657 00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:25,913 You know, he was always so extreme. You know? 658 00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:34,713 Let me explain to you how fucking devastating it was 659 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:38,175 for me to pull up at the gates 660 00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:40,552 and there's her father standing there, 661 00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,722 four of the security, and two officers. 662 00:44:44,306 --> 00:44:47,768 And they're standing there, and she freaks out. 663 00:44:47,851 --> 00:44:49,853 "What are they doing here? Why are they here?" 664 00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:52,749 "Why is my father at my house? Who are these people? Why are the cops here?" 665 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:54,149 And she looks at me. 666 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,112 I'm supposed to be the one that protects her. 667 00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:01,699 And I'm trying to calm her down. I cannot. 668 00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:05,828 I'm trying to explain to her, "He is your conservator." 669 00:45:05,911 --> 00:45:11,166 "Without his permission, because he is you, I've kidnapped you." 670 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:13,502 "And it's that real." 671 00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:16,922 She just looks. She doesn't talk anymore. She's completely silent. 672 00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:23,178 You know, they escort her into the house. 673 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,266 That's when the realization was, 674 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:30,227 "Okay, I don't think things are gonna be the same." 675 00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,457 As 2008 continued, Britney had reportedly negotiated 676 00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:54,168 50-50 custody of her kids. 677 00:45:54,251 --> 00:45:56,587 The amount of time she spent with them 678 00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,299 was subject to the approval of her dad and conservator, Jamie. 679 00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:08,182 Britney seemed to be recovering from the events 680 00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,476 that led to her hospitalization. 681 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,562 It was deemed by Britney, Inc. that it was time to work, 682 00:46:13,645 --> 00:46:14,855 and work she did. 683 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:23,071 It started with recording a new album, 684 00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:26,700 and then the idea of a tell-all documentary was proposed. 685 00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,536 This MTV Film would be called For the Record. 686 00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:32,956 This was a new time in Britney's professional life, 687 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,126 and it meant those that worked with her would be carefully selected 688 00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:37,753 by the conservatorship. 689 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,674 It was interesting going through a lot of this with other creatives 690 00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:45,135 and people who were sort of from the outside. 691 00:46:45,219 --> 00:46:47,262 I remember at one point talking amongst us 692 00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:50,599 and realizing that, like, there wasn't a single person 693 00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,893 that was involved with that project 694 00:46:52,976 --> 00:46:57,481 that didn't come out feeling affected emotionally. 695 00:46:58,023 --> 00:46:59,566 Like, not a single person. 696 00:47:00,108 --> 00:47:02,754 If I wasn't under the restraints that I'm under right now, 697 00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:08,075 with all the lawyers and doctors and people analyzing me every day 698 00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:09,576 and all that kind of stuff, 699 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:15,833 like, if that wasn't there, I'd feel so liberated and feel like myself. 700 00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:19,127 It's like... It's bad. 701 00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:29,346 I'm sad. 702 00:47:31,932 --> 00:47:34,332 The best thing for her is what she's doing right now. 703 00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:37,646 Let's give her... She's in her element. She's in her world. 704 00:47:37,729 --> 00:47:42,651 And, uh, keeping her busy. You know, like me, I like to go fishing. 705 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:45,487 She likes to sing and dance. She likes to work. 706 00:47:45,571 --> 00:47:47,573 Are they gonna bring something here or something? 707 00:47:47,656 --> 00:47:51,118 - I have no idea what's going on. - Yes, you do, brat. 708 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,910 - Does everybody know what we're doing? - Yep. 709 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:56,456 - Except me. - Except you. 710 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,666 Is that my car? 711 00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:01,920 I was there that day, and I remember, 712 00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:06,967 like with almost everything, there were these two polar opposite feelings. 713 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:10,262 Like, it was so nice for her to get to drive her car 714 00:48:10,345 --> 00:48:13,682 with the top down and just feel free for a minute. 715 00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:17,853 But on the other hand, I'm thinking, like, what is going on with this girl 716 00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:20,397 that we have to arrange... 717 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,066 Thirty people have to arrange this whole thing 718 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:27,738 to let her drive her car to feel free for 30 minutes? 719 00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:30,657 Like, in what context? 720 00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:36,496 Like... Like, how is that how she gets to feel free? 721 00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:40,250 The whole thing is fucked up. I'm sorry. 722 00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,342 Britney and I had become close. 723 00:48:48,967 --> 00:48:53,138 I could shoot her in a way that not all the other camera people could. 724 00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:57,184 Um, and so then we just developed this sort of close-knit friendship. 725 00:48:59,186 --> 00:49:01,939 There were times she'd ask me for help, 726 00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:04,983 whether it was questions about legal issues 727 00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:09,237 or, you know, stuff about conservatorships. 728 00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:12,658 Um, and I would usually try and deflect these things 729 00:49:12,741 --> 00:49:14,826 because if I didn't have an answer, 730 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,496 I didn't want to give her any wrong information. 731 00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:21,708 Um, but I know that there were times that she did want to speak out 732 00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:24,586 and address things and wasn't really able to. 733 00:49:28,548 --> 00:49:30,342 This People article came out. 734 00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:34,221 I think they had interviewed Kevin and obviously talked about Britney. 735 00:49:34,304 --> 00:49:37,516 And there was stuff she didn't really agree with. 736 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,477 And it's like she wanted to respond to it. 737 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,564 And so, yeah, she wrote this letter and she gave it to me 738 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:48,110 and she was like, "Can you read this on TV?" 739 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:53,824 "What happened to Britney was a year ago and people need to get with the times." 740 00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:56,618 "And as for Kevin saying Britney divorced him, 741 00:49:56,702 --> 00:50:00,080 she was forced to by her lawyers because she went to visit him in New York, 742 00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:01,957 and he wouldn't see her and the children." 743 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,919 "And her lawyer said if she doesn't divorce him, he's gonna do it himself." 744 00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:09,715 "So, Kevin trying to play the innocent victim is hardly irrelevant." 745 00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:11,717 "He left her and the babies." 746 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,219 "Her going on the mend, partying two years ago, 747 00:50:14,302 --> 00:50:16,847 has nothing to do with the situation now." 748 00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:21,059 "She's a different person, and most of their fighting was done back then 749 00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:25,772 because of his problem waking and baking to marijuana at 5:00 in the morning." 750 00:50:26,815 --> 00:50:29,943 "No one talks about these things because no one knows the truth." 751 00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:32,279 "She was lied to and set up." 752 00:50:32,946 --> 00:50:35,699 "Her children were taken away and she did spin out of control, 753 00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:38,452 which any mother would in those circumstances." 754 00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:44,124 "This year, Britney's been silenced to speak out about anything that's going on." 755 00:50:44,207 --> 00:50:48,295 "The people controlling her life have made $3 million this year." 756 00:50:48,837 --> 00:50:51,214 "She would love for new eyes to see her situation, 757 00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:53,633 but if she brings it up, she's constantly threatened 758 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,470 that the conservators will take her kids away." 759 00:50:56,553 --> 00:50:58,555 "So how long does this go on for?" 760 00:50:59,389 --> 00:51:02,225 "As long as the people are getting paid and she has no rights, 761 00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:06,021 it could go on for a while, but it doesn't make it right at all." 762 00:51:08,148 --> 00:51:11,276 "Britney's given her brother a $2 million apartment, 763 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,236 her mother an estate in Louisiana, 764 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,031 and her father the best job in show business." 765 00:51:16,531 --> 00:51:20,911 "She's a very giving person and would love to get the respect she deserves." 766 00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:26,875 It was an emotional response to the article coming out, 767 00:51:26,958 --> 00:51:29,711 and it is like her first response. 768 00:51:29,795 --> 00:51:32,380 For me not to read it all on TV right away was also saying, 769 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:36,093 why don't you just take a couple days and cool down from this? 770 00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:39,554 And then a couple days later, maybe we can revisit it. 771 00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,391 Things like this would happen often, not necessarily like this letter, 772 00:51:43,475 --> 00:51:46,937 but like trying to use my phone to call people. 773 00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:50,649 Those are the things you had to look out for and steer her away from. 774 00:51:51,399 --> 00:51:54,945 And then, a couple days later, I got a phone call from the lawyers. 775 00:51:55,028 --> 00:51:59,491 The letter had some, you know, some information that would be really bad 776 00:51:59,574 --> 00:52:01,993 if it came out or something like that. 777 00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:06,081 And so, all of a sudden, the letter turned into a much bigger thing. 778 00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:11,128 And then, you know, I just brought it in and showed it to them, and that was that. 779 00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:14,297 But you had enough foresight to copy the letter? 780 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,424 I wouldn't call it foresight. 781 00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:20,345 I think that when she gave it to me, we took a picture of it 782 00:52:20,428 --> 00:52:23,890 because I didn't want to actually carry the letter. 783 00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,268 And what was that experience like for you? 784 00:52:28,186 --> 00:52:31,022 I mean, again, like, I always just felt bad for her. 785 00:52:33,358 --> 00:52:37,154 I felt bad that, like, this was her reality and her world, 786 00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:41,032 where she gave me a letter, and then, all of a sudden, 787 00:52:41,116 --> 00:52:43,702 this huge fire alarm goes off. 788 00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:50,917 It's crazy. All she wanted to do was respond to an article. 789 00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:54,087 How much longer did you work with Britney after that? 790 00:52:54,921 --> 00:52:59,968 It was pretty shortly after that that I stopped working with her. 791 00:53:00,051 --> 00:53:05,849 I think at that point it was obvious that we were close and pretty good friends. 792 00:53:05,932 --> 00:53:07,017 Um... 793 00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:11,605 I mean, this was coming after I was her date for her brother's wedding. 794 00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:16,735 And, you know, we had developed, you know, I think just like a good trust. 795 00:53:16,818 --> 00:53:20,530 And maybe we were too close at that point. 796 00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,242 And so, yeah, shortly after that, I got removed. 797 00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:31,666 I actually... I don't think I've spoken to her since. 798 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:39,591 And Britney had met a bunch of my friends. 799 00:53:39,674 --> 00:53:44,721 You know? She had, you know, like sort of come into my life. 800 00:53:44,804 --> 00:53:50,435 And, you know, it was just sad to think that she was gonna be alone again. 801 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,565 In January of 2009, I went to L.A. for the winter, 802 00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,318 and I had made contact with Sam Lutfi. 803 00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,990 He'd been a good background source for the Rolling Stone cover story, 804 00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:47,867 and we had kept in touch even after it came out. 805 00:54:48,451 --> 00:54:51,705 Then he told me about the fact that he and Adnan had been trying 806 00:54:51,788 --> 00:54:55,959 to come up with a plan to help her find a different lawyer. 807 00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:01,631 She still, in January of 2009, 808 00:55:01,715 --> 00:55:06,052 still wanted a different lawyer if she could get one. 809 00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:09,556 This was a full year of the conservatorship 810 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,766 supposedly having saved her life. 811 00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:15,061 They had been talking to different lawyers 812 00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:19,107 who thought that if they could get her to sign this document 813 00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:23,570 saying why she wanted a new lawyer and why she wanted the specific lawyer 814 00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,740 that that would be something that would just have to happen then 815 00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:29,868 and there would be no way to refute it. 816 00:55:31,244 --> 00:55:34,456 At that time, Sam and Adnan were persona non grata. 817 00:55:34,539 --> 00:55:38,335 They had been completely forbidden from having access to Britney. 818 00:55:39,294 --> 00:55:41,463 And within days of me arriving in L.A., 819 00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:44,883 Sam started talking about trying to get her to sign this thing 820 00:55:44,966 --> 00:55:47,344 and trying to find someone who might get her to sign. 821 00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:54,059 I can't say there was a specific moment that convinced me to do it. 822 00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:58,521 Of course, I was concerned about being a participant in the story 823 00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:01,316 I was trying to cover objectively. 824 00:56:01,399 --> 00:56:06,279 But, at that point, I had known Britney Spears for a decade almost, 825 00:56:06,363 --> 00:56:12,660 so I cared about her in a human way that there was no denying it at that point, 826 00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:17,082 that I could be more useful as a Good Samaritan almost 827 00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:21,211 than another journalist trying to cover the story. 828 00:56:21,294 --> 00:56:23,963 Anything to say about the conservatorship today? 829 00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:28,968 Sam explained to me that I would need to go to the Montage 830 00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:31,930 and she would be waiting for me. 831 00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:35,225 And she would know to come meet me in the bathroom. 832 00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:39,771 I just walked in thinking, "Pretend I'm a guest." 833 00:56:39,854 --> 00:56:45,110 I took the elevator up and I walked out and I saw Edon, her security guard, 834 00:56:45,193 --> 00:56:48,613 up there and maybe one other, like, security-looking dude. 835 00:56:49,364 --> 00:56:53,952 She was just in the pool by herself. Just leaning on the edge of the pool. 836 00:56:54,035 --> 00:56:58,123 Um, and I kind of gave her a little side-eye and saw her see me, 837 00:56:58,206 --> 00:57:01,084 and then went into this small bathroom. 838 00:57:01,167 --> 00:57:05,630 I went into the stall, closed the door, and got the papers and the pen ready, 839 00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:09,217 and saw her tattoo on her foot or ankle or whatever it is, 840 00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,140 and opened the door and I showed her the spots where she needed to sign. 841 00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:18,393 And she signed and looked at me and said, "Thank you." 842 00:57:18,476 --> 00:57:19,686 And I said... 843 00:57:30,196 --> 00:57:33,533 I said, "I'll see you again. Go." 844 00:57:36,161 --> 00:57:41,040 Yeah, she definitely seemed scared. It was hard to tell 'cause I was scared. 845 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,963 But she was appreciative, which was, like, such classic kind of her vibe to be, 846 00:57:47,046 --> 00:57:50,133 in that moment to be scared but to also be grateful, you know? 847 00:58:32,884 --> 00:58:35,512 I thought the documents were gonna be delivered right away. 848 00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:39,432 I was told there would be an ex parte hearing to address this, 849 00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:40,808 but then days passed 850 00:58:40,892 --> 00:58:45,438 and Britney was supposed to go on a trip somewhere with her dad. 851 00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:48,775 And we thought that when he sees that she signed it, 852 00:58:48,858 --> 00:58:51,236 he'll know that things are gonna change. 853 00:58:52,278 --> 00:58:55,615 I couldn't believe it when I found out, about a week later, 854 00:58:55,698 --> 00:59:01,579 that it was all over and that, similar to what had happened with Adam Streisand, 855 00:59:01,663 --> 00:59:03,331 that it had been ruled 856 00:59:03,414 --> 00:59:07,252 that she lacked the capacity to choose a lawyer 857 00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:11,881 and that they had cast enough doubt on to whether that was her signature. 858 00:59:14,259 --> 00:59:16,052 I never heard anything of it again. 859 00:59:16,636 --> 00:59:18,930 No one ever talked about it again, 860 00:59:20,014 --> 00:59:23,351 and still no one really talks about the fact 861 00:59:23,434 --> 00:59:27,564 that there was another attempt to get a lawyer 862 00:59:27,647 --> 00:59:29,399 that somehow didn't work out. 863 00:59:31,442 --> 00:59:35,113 But someone else knew about the incident at the Montage. 864 00:59:35,196 --> 00:59:39,993 Seven days after Britney signed the papers saying she wanted new representation, 865 00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:43,413 the court-appointed lawyer for the conservatorship, Sam Ingham, 866 00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:46,791 stated that Britney told him she'd met with a reporter 867 00:59:46,874 --> 00:59:51,296 from Rolling Stone to sign documents about acquiring new counsel. 868 00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:56,926 He went on to say, "Britney does not wish to do that," 869 00:59:57,010 --> 01:00:01,055 and asked him to do whatever is necessary to "squash the document." 870 01:00:01,139 --> 01:00:03,099 She further stated that she was, 871 01:00:03,182 --> 01:00:06,728 "Fully satisfied with my representation of her." 872 01:00:08,187 --> 01:00:13,067 That same day, the attorney she had tried to hire, John Anderson, withdrew, stating, 873 01:00:13,151 --> 01:00:17,780 "I can say no more; will do no more." And, "That is the end for me." 874 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:23,745 It was another time that Britney had tried to seek her own representation 875 01:00:23,828 --> 01:00:25,496 and it failed. 876 01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:32,211 It's the conservatee's attorney is the one person in this system 877 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:36,549 who is tasked with making the conservatee's best case 878 01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,718 for whatever the conservatee wants. 879 01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:41,804 I've seen so many instances where those attorneys 880 01:00:41,888 --> 01:00:44,057 are not representing what their clients want. 881 01:00:45,266 --> 01:00:50,563 Keep in mind that the only way that Sam Ingham gets paid 882 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:54,359 is he has to file a petition with the court, 883 01:00:54,442 --> 01:00:57,278 and then the conservator have the right to object 884 01:00:57,362 --> 01:01:00,323 to him getting paid or the fees he's asking for. 885 01:01:00,406 --> 01:01:04,118 Obviously, there is a natural tendency to say, 886 01:01:04,202 --> 01:01:08,081 "Well, I certainly don't want to be pissing off the people 887 01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:11,793 who are gonna have the ability to object to me getting paid." 888 01:01:13,127 --> 01:01:16,172 What is your reaction to knowing that a court-appointed attorney 889 01:01:16,255 --> 01:01:20,843 is making over 3 million dollars, like as... In this position? 890 01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:25,973 My reaction is that he's on a gravy train and he'll ride it all the way to the end. 891 01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:31,896 Are you concerned for Britney's mental health? 892 01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:33,147 By early 2009, 893 01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:37,026 Jamie Spears asked that the temporary conservatorship of his daughter 894 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:38,403 be made permanent. 895 01:01:39,028 --> 01:01:42,573 And there was a range of new specific powers and privileges 896 01:01:42,657 --> 01:01:44,826 that would be given to the conservatorship, 897 01:01:46,536 --> 01:01:50,665 spanning from using funds from the estate to pay for a car for Jamie... 898 01:01:51,666 --> 01:01:56,421 to giving him more complete control over Britney's personal finances. 899 01:01:58,965 --> 01:02:02,552 Perhaps most importantly, though, the permanent conservatorship 900 01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:07,765 would allow Jamie to pursue professional opportunities available to Britney 901 01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,518 once they're approved by her medical team. 902 01:02:25,825 --> 01:02:28,411 Britney was preparing for a huge tour, 903 01:02:28,494 --> 01:02:31,998 whatever concerns the conservatorship's medical team had 904 01:02:32,081 --> 01:02:35,710 about her health and overworking seemed to be forgotten. 905 01:02:39,672 --> 01:02:42,759 First off, ticket sales are going phenomenally well. 906 01:02:42,842 --> 01:02:47,013 Sales have generated about 40 million. 907 01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:51,684 Second, there seems to be an opportunity to add two shows 908 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,772 at the end of the U.S. leg on very attractive financial terms. 909 01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,691 So this is before the Circus tour. 910 01:02:59,734 --> 01:03:03,780 They don't even know yet if she's gonna be, like, okay to tour, 911 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:05,615 - but they're adding more dates. - Right. 912 01:03:05,698 --> 01:03:09,577 They went from temporary conservatorship to permanent conservatorship, 913 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:11,996 and Circus was that year. 914 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:17,043 So us noting that there was financial incentives for Larry, for Jamie, 915 01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:22,048 for the lawyers to get her working, A, but get her working more. 916 01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:29,138 The Circus tour was performed over the course of nine months 917 01:03:29,222 --> 01:03:32,141 and totaled 70 shows spanning the world. 918 01:03:33,017 --> 01:03:36,521 I've had people tell me that there were conversations explicitly 919 01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,315 about how quickly she could come back. 920 01:03:39,398 --> 01:03:41,943 They probably felt like it was important 921 01:03:42,026 --> 01:03:45,947 to show her looking healthy and okay as quickly as possible 922 01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:49,909 to prove that what they decided to do was the right decision. 923 01:03:49,992 --> 01:03:51,160 Britney! 924 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:52,370 Britney! 925 01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:56,082 There's nothing relaxing about being on a tour. 926 01:03:58,209 --> 01:03:59,836 Flying all over the world, 927 01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:02,672 being in different countries every few days. 928 01:04:02,755 --> 01:04:04,924 Are you sick of your dad being conservator? 929 01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:09,303 I can only imagine how stressful and challenging that might be for her. 930 01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:17,144 Was she in the right mental state to put all that time and energy 931 01:04:17,228 --> 01:04:22,316 into doing a whole...? Revamping her entire career and doing this comeback? 932 01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:26,737 It's like, that's hard. 933 01:04:28,364 --> 01:04:32,994 We've had, on background, conversations with people who were on the tour. 934 01:04:33,077 --> 01:04:37,582 They said it was a mess. They said it was bad for Britney's health. 935 01:04:38,916 --> 01:04:41,794 The conservatorship stated that they had successfully added 936 01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:44,922 financial growth and stability to Britney's life. 937 01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:50,803 "Her main focus, almost to the point of obsession, 938 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,930 was getting more time with her children." 939 01:04:53,472 --> 01:04:57,518 "Her second preoccupation was whether the conservatorship would end 940 01:04:57,602 --> 01:05:01,230 and whether her father Jamie Spears would be more lenient with her privileges." 941 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:06,861 Oh, man. She gets an allowance, she's got "privileges," 942 01:05:06,944 --> 01:05:09,655 and her daddy is in charge. 943 01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:11,991 That's the patriarchy. 944 01:05:24,128 --> 01:05:26,839 In 2009, Britney had a new boyfriend. 945 01:05:27,506 --> 01:05:29,926 It was her agent, Jason Trawick. 946 01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,347 You need to go over there. 947 01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:37,892 If you don't go over, we're gonna leave. Y'all ain't gonna get no pictures. 948 01:05:44,357 --> 01:05:45,858 By the fall of 2011, 949 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,778 he was featured in Britney's music video "Criminal." 950 01:05:52,448 --> 01:05:56,410 Jason, newly buff, played her outlaw boyfriend. 951 01:05:56,494 --> 01:05:57,620 - You okay? - Yeah. 952 01:05:58,996 --> 01:05:59,997 Wait. 953 01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:05,211 Now I'm okay. 954 01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:09,632 Jason was, like, a very smart, very sweet, very caring... 955 01:06:09,715 --> 01:06:13,010 Like, he was one of the guys that I would confide in, 956 01:06:13,094 --> 01:06:16,097 and we would talk about all that was happening. 957 01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:18,057 We both had an objective point of view 958 01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:22,061 because, at the time, neither of us were dating her or engaged to her 959 01:06:22,144 --> 01:06:23,688 or anything like that. 960 01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:27,316 ♪ 'Cause mama I'm in love With a criminal ♪ 961 01:06:28,067 --> 01:06:30,736 ♪ And this type of love isn't rational ♪ 962 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:34,991 To see the role that he transitioned into, 963 01:06:35,074 --> 01:06:37,427 I mean, again, it's like, I never would've seen that coming. 964 01:06:37,451 --> 01:06:39,578 Bet you know what that means. 965 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,789 Britney! 966 01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:50,506 So this is from a doctor with the conservatorship to Sam Ingham. 967 01:06:50,589 --> 01:06:54,218 "I had an interview and assessment session with Jason." 968 01:06:54,301 --> 01:06:58,347 "I found him to be forthcoming and open, though fearful that whatever he said 969 01:06:58,431 --> 01:07:01,183 might be held against him or place him at odds with others 970 01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:03,561 with whom he might need to get along in the future." 971 01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:06,355 "He appears to be genuinely in love with Britney." 972 01:07:06,439 --> 01:07:10,818 "His philosophy is Britney will have to learn to live without a conservator." 973 01:07:10,901 --> 01:07:13,612 "He feels that the present arrangement is too constrictive." 974 01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:16,824 "Jason states inconveniences Britney has to go through 975 01:07:16,907 --> 01:07:18,200 under the conservatorship." 976 01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:21,829 "For example, they wanted to drive within a gated community on a golf cart, 977 01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:24,373 but have to ask permission each time." 978 01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:27,084 "If they want to go out to a hamburger joint, 979 01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:30,796 they have to call for permission and wait 20 minutes or more for an answer." 980 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,592 "If Britney needs a few hundred dollars to buy books for her kids, 981 01:07:34,675 --> 01:07:38,429 she has to ask and wait a few days for an answer." 982 01:07:38,512 --> 01:07:42,183 This was right after Britney finished the huge, giant tour. 983 01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:44,143 That was Femme Fatale. 984 01:07:45,019 --> 01:07:46,520 What the fuck? 985 01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:48,481 Look at the next page. 986 01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:51,150 "Toward the end of the tour, 987 01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:54,111 significant tensions arose between Jamie Spears, 988 01:07:54,195 --> 01:07:56,697 Britney's father and conservator, and Britney." 989 01:07:56,781 --> 01:07:58,491 Right, and then look at this. 990 01:07:58,574 --> 01:08:00,910 "Britney began to complain about Jamie's drinking." 991 01:08:00,993 --> 01:08:03,829 "She is especially adamant that Jamie be punished." 992 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:06,499 "This seems to be a lightning rod for all of her complaints 993 01:08:06,582 --> 01:08:08,459 about the conservatorship itself." 994 01:08:08,542 --> 01:08:13,339 "In a simple way, she feels that if she is drug tested, so should he be." 995 01:08:13,422 --> 01:08:16,926 "If she were to suffer a great penalty, like losing her kids, 996 01:08:17,009 --> 01:08:18,844 if she tested positive, 997 01:08:18,928 --> 01:08:22,056 he should suffer an equally great penalty for his drinking." 998 01:08:22,139 --> 01:08:26,977 And this is again, the most sort of, some of the most damning stuff. 999 01:08:27,061 --> 01:08:29,522 "Britney wants to come off the conservatorship." 1000 01:08:32,316 --> 01:08:35,903 "At times, she seems to understand the benefits of the conservatorship." 1001 01:08:35,986 --> 01:08:40,407 "She indicates she would go along with the conservatorship of the estate, 1002 01:08:40,491 --> 01:08:44,161 but mostly she wants to end the conservatorship of the person." 1003 01:08:46,330 --> 01:08:49,708 The conservatorship has maintained Britney has never once asked for it 1004 01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,962 to be terminated and that if it was that bad, 1005 01:08:53,045 --> 01:08:54,630 she would tell people about it. 1006 01:08:54,713 --> 01:09:00,052 But we have here in evidence that she wanted out of the conservatorship, 1007 01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:03,097 that she was vocalizing that need, and that it was ignored. 1008 01:09:05,182 --> 01:09:09,645 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 1009 01:09:09,728 --> 01:09:10,728 Really? 1010 01:09:11,730 --> 01:09:15,317 In December 2011, Britney and Jason became engaged. 1011 01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:20,531 Four months later, she requested Jason be added as her conservator. 1012 01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:24,451 But instead of Jason replacing Jamie, 1013 01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:27,705 the court ruled in what could be considered a compromise. 1014 01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:32,418 Jason Trawick and Jamie are made co-conservators 1015 01:09:32,501 --> 01:09:34,128 versus Jamie being removed. 1016 01:09:34,211 --> 01:09:36,422 Which just feels so weird. 1017 01:09:36,505 --> 01:09:39,175 At the time, I thought that it was interesting 1018 01:09:39,258 --> 01:09:42,928 that Jamie would give over even that small amount of control 1019 01:09:43,012 --> 01:09:47,057 to someone theoretically new or a non-family member. 1020 01:09:49,143 --> 01:09:53,230 With her father and fiancé as co-conservators of her person, 1021 01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:58,027 Britney inked a reported $15 million deal to judge X Factor. 1022 01:09:58,652 --> 01:10:01,614 Behind the scenes, confidential reports given to us 1023 01:10:01,697 --> 01:10:04,533 showed that the conservatorship was in chaos. 1024 01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:09,246 The medical team thought that X Factor put undue pressure on Britney, 1025 01:10:09,747 --> 01:10:13,542 whereas her management said that withdrawing would be just as bad 1026 01:10:13,626 --> 01:10:15,836 as a publicly observed meltdown. 1027 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,839 Under intense pressure from Britney's management, 1028 01:10:18,923 --> 01:10:22,843 the medical team cautiously approved Britney's participation, 1029 01:10:22,927 --> 01:10:28,057 but said there would be strict guidelines for their approval to stay in place, 1030 01:10:29,266 --> 01:10:33,395 which included that Jason Trawick's presence was, quote, "mandatory." 1031 01:10:34,855 --> 01:10:39,276 And then the big bombshell is that we have direct evidence 1032 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,031 that her medication, the medication that she liked to take, 1033 01:10:44,114 --> 01:10:46,450 was increased if she worked. 1034 01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:49,161 There's different dosages on, 1035 01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:52,831 quote-unquote, "non-work days and work days." 1036 01:10:52,915 --> 01:10:54,124 Look at the next page. 1037 01:10:54,833 --> 01:10:57,002 "On the one hand, Jamie and the team 1038 01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:00,631 valued the benefits of stimulants for Britney's performance." 1039 01:11:00,714 --> 01:11:05,552 "This had been the case for her tours and for her participation on X Factor." 1040 01:11:05,636 --> 01:11:09,765 "By the same token, Jamie wanted B ritney not to take stimulants." 1041 01:11:11,225 --> 01:11:13,727 "This contradiction has not been resolved." 1042 01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:22,945 From the public's perspective, 1043 01:11:23,028 --> 01:11:26,156 Britney's performance on The X Factor was a success. 1044 01:11:27,616 --> 01:11:31,578 Less than a year later, though, Britney and Jason would break up, 1045 01:11:31,662 --> 01:11:36,000 making Jamie the sole conservator of the person once again. 1046 01:11:36,083 --> 01:11:38,585 "On the subject of X Factor itself, 1047 01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:41,880 there is estimated to be a 50-50 chance they will invite her to return, 1048 01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:44,258 but at this time it appears that she would decline." 1049 01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:48,304 "Instead, her current plan is to create a Las Vegas-style revue 1050 01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:52,099 to perform at a Las Vegas hotel over three- or four-day weekend dates 1051 01:11:52,182 --> 01:11:53,559 once or twice a month." 1052 01:11:53,642 --> 01:11:55,019 What does it say right after that? 1053 01:11:55,102 --> 01:11:57,271 "I believe this is an appropriate career move 1054 01:11:57,354 --> 01:11:59,773 from the perspective of her psychiatric condition." 1055 01:11:59,857 --> 01:12:01,567 It's so hot. 1056 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:04,445 Okay, so... 1057 01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:08,657 being single for a year... 1058 01:12:09,783 --> 01:12:10,783 Yeah! 1059 01:12:11,368 --> 01:12:14,830 ...has been very, very, very profound. 1060 01:12:15,497 --> 01:12:20,044 And I feel like all men should suck my toe. 1061 01:12:20,586 --> 01:12:24,006 Britney's Vegas residency started in 2013, 1062 01:12:24,089 --> 01:12:26,008 and it was called Piece of Me. 1063 01:12:26,091 --> 01:12:30,304 The show would span five years and culminate in a world tour. 1064 01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:33,932 Very little is known about Britney's life during this time period. 1065 01:12:34,016 --> 01:12:37,311 The conservatorship kept her inner circle very small. 1066 01:12:37,936 --> 01:12:40,022 Candid Britney interviews were rare. 1067 01:12:40,105 --> 01:12:43,442 Unguarded public moments only seemed to happen 1068 01:12:43,525 --> 01:12:45,861 when she was talking to her audience. 1069 01:12:45,944 --> 01:12:50,240 Honestly, without the music, just the mic, it kind of feels illegal. 1070 01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:53,077 Like it's quiet right now, and it... 1071 01:12:53,911 --> 01:12:57,831 It feels kind of illegal doing this with this mic in my hand now. 1072 01:12:57,915 --> 01:12:59,291 It feels so weird. 1073 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:03,796 Okay, so the press and the media, my whole life, it's really crazy, 1074 01:13:03,879 --> 01:13:08,008 'cause one minute they tear you down and they're really horrible, 1075 01:13:08,092 --> 01:13:10,969 and the next minute, you're on top of the world you know? 1076 01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:13,639 But I just want to make sure 1077 01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:17,393 I keep handing you motherfuckers something to talk about, okay? 1078 01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:24,191 What was it like going to the Vegas show? 1079 01:13:24,274 --> 01:13:27,694 When she found out I was there, she wanted to see me backstage. 1080 01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:33,867 And it was like we both just immediately just embraced and just cried, 1081 01:13:33,951 --> 01:13:36,578 just sat there and cried and locked arms. 1082 01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:39,331 We hadn't seen each other in years, hadn't spoken. 1083 01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:43,460 And when I saw her, it's like something in her eyes, 1084 01:13:43,544 --> 01:13:46,380 it was like the old Britney, I guess you can say. 1085 01:13:46,463 --> 01:13:50,801 It was as if we were right back to where we were many, many years before. 1086 01:13:50,884 --> 01:13:53,720 I think that's why we both broke down and cried. 1087 01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,515 And her bodyguard walked me back to my seat, 1088 01:13:56,598 --> 01:13:59,685 and he said to me, I remember this, he said, um... 1089 01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:03,313 He goes, "I don't know what you just did to her 1090 01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:07,151 and what your relationship was like, but can you come back more?" 1091 01:14:07,234 --> 01:14:11,071 "In the nine years I've worked for her, I've never seen her smile like that." 1092 01:14:12,865 --> 01:14:16,368 There aren't a lot of people in her life that are from those days. 1093 01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:19,246 It's myself, Felicia and a couple other people. 1094 01:14:22,583 --> 01:14:26,545 I got called back to do Circus Tour, Femme Fatale, 1095 01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:28,672 and then the four years in Vegas. 1096 01:14:28,755 --> 01:14:31,341 I had much less contact with her. 1097 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:34,720 But I made sure, every show, she knew I was there. 1098 01:14:34,803 --> 01:14:37,431 And then did she continue to love performing? 1099 01:14:37,514 --> 01:14:39,475 I mean, it's such an intense schedule. 1100 01:14:39,558 --> 01:14:42,269 What was her relationship like with performing? 1101 01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:46,857 Britney loved performing. 1102 01:14:47,357 --> 01:14:50,652 Hands down, still to this second, loves performing. 1103 01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:52,821 Um... 1104 01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:56,492 I think that's probably as much as I can say about that. 1105 01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:58,159 Sorry. 1106 01:14:58,535 --> 01:15:01,914 I don't want to fight with them. It's not worth it to me. 1107 01:15:02,581 --> 01:15:03,582 I'm sorry. 1108 01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:11,882 The one thing we know for sure is that Britney worked almost nonstop 1109 01:15:11,965 --> 01:15:14,676 and made other people a lot of money. 1110 01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:04,101 All right, everyone. We are here to welcome the new queen of Vegas! 1111 01:16:04,184 --> 01:16:08,981 In January 2019, Britney announced a new Vegas residency. 1112 01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:11,275 It would be called Domination. 1113 01:16:14,736 --> 01:16:18,073 Ladies and gentlemen, Britney Spears! 1114 01:16:18,156 --> 01:16:20,576 When she walked dow n the red carpet, 1115 01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:23,620 it felt like she was almost about to say something. 1116 01:16:23,704 --> 01:16:24,997 But then she didn't. 1117 01:16:27,791 --> 01:16:29,960 Three months later, via Instagram, 1118 01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:34,172 Britney would cancel the show, citing family health concerns. 1119 01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:37,134 And the world was watching. 1120 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,932 That was a huge moment when the fan community began to suspect 1121 01:16:44,016 --> 01:16:47,978 that something weird was going on in 2019. 1122 01:16:48,061 --> 01:16:52,899 There was even, like, missing posters being shared around social media. 1123 01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:56,028 Kind of as a joke, but also like we literally haven't seen her 1124 01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:58,071 in, like, weeks, if not months. 1125 01:16:58,155 --> 01:17:00,949 And cut to April 2019, 1126 01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:06,330 we find out that Britney was placed into a mental health facility against her will. 1127 01:17:06,413 --> 01:17:11,043 That's what is believed, and she was being given medication she did not wanna take. 1128 01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:16,506 I know that there are a lot of voices 1129 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:19,343 I've heard from many different quarters 1130 01:17:19,426 --> 01:17:24,598 that Britney is being held as a prisoner, in effect, against her will. 1131 01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:29,311 And when I've been asked do I think that's accurate, 1132 01:17:29,978 --> 01:17:33,774 I think you have to say to yourself 1133 01:17:33,857 --> 01:17:39,988 it's not as if Los Angeles is some type of fascist gulag, 1134 01:17:40,072 --> 01:17:43,283 where, in order to get a message to the outside world, 1135 01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:47,537 you have to write it down on a piece of birch bark and in code, 1136 01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:51,958 then throw it over an electrified fence to an unsuspecting gardener. 1137 01:17:52,042 --> 01:17:55,879 If she wanted to get a message out as far as being held against her will, 1138 01:17:55,962 --> 01:17:59,675 I can't even imagine the numbers of ways she can do that. 1139 01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:04,971 Eventually, Britney resurfaced via an Instagram video. 1140 01:18:05,555 --> 01:18:09,893 Hi, guys. Just checking in with all of you who are concerned. All is well. 1141 01:18:09,976 --> 01:18:13,021 My family has been going through a lot of stress and anxiety lately, 1142 01:18:13,105 --> 01:18:17,192 so I just needed time to deal. Don't worry, I'll be back very soon. 1143 01:18:17,693 --> 01:18:20,862 The video only increased public speculation. 1144 01:18:21,363 --> 01:18:24,199 What was going on inside the conservatorship, 1145 01:18:24,282 --> 01:18:27,494 and why was she in one if she was, quote, "okay"? 1146 01:18:37,212 --> 01:18:39,881 We know that in summer of 2019, 1147 01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:44,511 after there was already beginning to be some chaos in the conservatorship 1148 01:18:44,594 --> 01:18:48,390 for the first time in more than a decade, that there was an incident 1149 01:18:48,473 --> 01:18:52,728 where a confrontation occurred between Jamie and one of Britney's sons. 1150 01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:56,440 And Kevin Federline, you know, his father and Britney's ex, 1151 01:18:56,523 --> 01:18:58,483 had a restraining order filed against Jamie, 1152 01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:02,738 such that he's not allowed to be in the presence of the children 1153 01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:05,699 for a specified period of years. 1154 01:19:05,782 --> 01:19:08,827 What's been in public record is there was an altercation, 1155 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:12,539 a door was broken down, one of her sons was shaken. 1156 01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:19,296 Um, the restraining order was based on an unauthorized... 1157 01:19:20,005 --> 01:19:23,550 Uh, let's just say it had to do with conduct 1158 01:19:23,633 --> 01:19:26,720 that put the children in fear of their safety. 1159 01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:28,638 How did a door get broken? 1160 01:19:29,306 --> 01:19:30,306 Um... 1161 01:19:31,349 --> 01:19:34,311 I think a door was slammed in some regard, 1162 01:19:34,394 --> 01:19:38,774 and, uh, it caused the door to come off the hinge or something in that regard. 1163 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,743 At the end of 2019, 1164 01:19:49,826 --> 01:19:53,038 Lou Taylor resurfaced in court documents. 1165 01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:56,583 She had e-mailed Jamie, saying her company, Tri Star, 1166 01:19:56,666 --> 01:20:01,129 had lost $400,000 in billing in 2019 1167 01:20:01,213 --> 01:20:03,799 for work as Britney's business manager. 1168 01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:07,761 She requested a minimum of $500,000. 1169 01:20:09,846 --> 01:20:12,724 Yet it was a time when Britney wasn't working. 1170 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,312 When Jamie was sent a bill the month later, 1171 01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:19,231 he paid the funds the next day. 1172 01:20:22,776 --> 01:20:27,656 This is what Jamie Spears, in July 2020, 1173 01:20:27,739 --> 01:20:30,408 said of Britney Spears, 1174 01:20:30,492 --> 01:20:32,994 of the conservatorship and the need for it. 1175 01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:35,497 Why don't we do here? 1176 01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:40,293 "James P. Spears respectfully submits this status update 1177 01:20:40,377 --> 01:20:44,381 to provide information in advance of and regarding some of the topics 1178 01:20:44,464 --> 01:20:46,508 that were addressed at the last hearing." 1179 01:20:46,591 --> 01:20:51,972 "The conservatee, Britney, has refused to engage in any business activities, 1180 01:20:52,055 --> 01:20:56,017 including making a non-performing appearance at a local pop-up store 1181 01:20:56,101 --> 01:20:59,312 dedicated to the conservatee, where minimal effort was required, 1182 01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:03,191 resulting in the estate being required to refund the advance it had received 1183 01:21:03,275 --> 01:21:05,569 in the amount of $1 million." 1184 01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,612 "The conservatee's lack of cooperation 1185 01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:09,155 in her own financial well-being 1186 01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:12,701 and preservation of her continued stature as an iconic artist 1187 01:21:12,784 --> 01:21:15,036 has deteriorated rather than improved." 1188 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,080 "As a result of the conservatee's trajectory, 1189 01:21:17,163 --> 01:21:19,666 Mr. Spears has been working to establish a model 1190 01:21:19,749 --> 01:21:22,878 where Ms. Spear's current lifestyle can be preserved 1191 01:21:22,961 --> 01:21:26,548 and her needs met based solely on passive income." 1192 01:21:26,631 --> 01:21:28,592 "Given the state of the economy 1193 01:21:28,675 --> 01:21:31,094 and this enormous cost of maintaining her lifestyle, 1194 01:21:31,177 --> 01:21:32,929 this is a tall order." 1195 01:21:33,013 --> 01:21:36,016 Her lifestyle, which includes all these legal bills. 1196 01:21:42,105 --> 01:21:45,483 All of these interviews and all of these hours talking to her 1197 01:21:45,567 --> 01:21:49,696 and describing her and criticizing her and limiting her, 1198 01:21:49,779 --> 01:21:53,950 and none of this led to anything. 1199 01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:55,535 It just all stayed the same. 1200 01:21:55,619 --> 01:21:59,998 They could go into court a million times, keep doing hearing after hearing, 1201 01:22:00,081 --> 01:22:02,918 filing after filing, and analysis after analysis, 1202 01:22:03,001 --> 01:22:06,922 and never change anything, and she's still in this situation. 1203 01:22:07,881 --> 01:22:09,591 - How do you get out? - I just... 1204 01:22:10,258 --> 01:22:12,928 You don't get out until you scream. 1205 01:22:31,655 --> 01:22:34,866 If you were able to speak to her, what would you tell her? 1206 01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:36,076 What would you say? 1207 01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:38,370 I feel like, maybe I'd apologize. 1208 01:22:38,453 --> 01:22:40,956 I feel like I didn't, you know, do enough, 1209 01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:44,042 and maybe I would just... let her know 1210 01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:47,545 that I felt bad about not being able to help more. 1211 01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:52,217 I don't understand how the legal system has let this go on for so long. 1212 01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:56,972 Maybe it's like the first one of its kind and they don't know how to handle it, 1213 01:22:57,055 --> 01:22:59,683 but it seems like it's an epic fail of the legal system 1214 01:22:59,766 --> 01:23:02,018 that this has gone on for so long 1215 01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:04,813 and that there's been no resolution even. 1216 01:23:04,896 --> 01:23:06,731 It just seems like it keeps getting worse. 1217 01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:16,366 It feels like something's gonna happen. Definitely, something's gonna happen. 1218 01:23:17,701 --> 01:23:19,703 - What do we want? - Free Britney! 1219 01:23:19,786 --> 01:23:21,347 - When do we want it? - Now! 1220 01:23:21,371 --> 01:23:23,251 - What do we want? - Free Britney! 1221 01:23:23,289 --> 01:23:25,458 - When do we want it? - Now! 1222 01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:27,002 So you're in? 1223 01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:29,087 It's not playing anything. 1224 01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:31,715 It's 4:30. 1225 01:23:35,301 --> 01:23:37,470 This is us trying to get into the court hearing. 1226 01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:40,348 Free Britney now! 1227 01:23:40,432 --> 01:23:43,184 Today will be the first time she will speak. 1228 01:23:43,268 --> 01:23:46,938 At stake is control of the 39-year-old singer's career 1229 01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:49,232 and $60 million fortune. 1230 01:24:08,918 --> 01:24:13,715 Going through introductions- slash-formalities, Britney says, quote, 1231 01:24:18,053 --> 01:24:20,555 I have a lot to say, so bear with me. 1232 01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:26,895 I don't think I was heard on any level when I came to court the last time. 1233 01:24:28,188 --> 01:24:31,107 I brought four sheets of paper in my hand and wrote in length 1234 01:24:31,191 --> 01:24:34,152 what I had been through the last four months before I came there. 1235 01:24:34,652 --> 01:24:38,323 The people who did that to me should not be able to walk away so easily. 1236 01:24:38,406 --> 01:24:39,449 I'll recap. 1237 01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:43,119 I was on tour. My management said if I don't do this, 1238 01:24:43,203 --> 01:24:45,413 I will have to find an attorney, and by contract, 1239 01:24:45,497 --> 01:24:49,542 my own management could sue me if I didn't follow through with the tour. 1240 01:24:49,626 --> 01:24:51,169 It was very threatening and scary, 1241 01:24:51,252 --> 01:24:54,214 and with the conservatorship, I couldn't even get my own attorney. 1242 01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,133 So, out of fear, I went ahead and I did the tour. 1243 01:24:57,634 --> 01:25:01,679 When I came off that tour, a new show in Las Vegas was supposed to take place. 1244 01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:04,140 I started rehearsing early, but it was hard 1245 01:25:04,224 --> 01:25:08,186 'cause I'd been doing Vegas for four years and I needed a break in between. 1246 01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:11,940 But, no, I was told, "This is the timeline and this is how it's gonna go." 1247 01:25:12,565 --> 01:25:15,401 I was basically directing most of the show. 1248 01:25:15,485 --> 01:25:18,947 I taught my dancers my new choreography myself. 1249 01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:21,866 I wasn't good. I was great. 1250 01:25:28,248 --> 01:25:32,168 They said, if I don't want to do the new Vegas show, I don't have to. 1251 01:25:32,252 --> 01:25:35,296 It was like lifting, literally, 200 pounds off of me. 1252 01:25:36,631 --> 01:25:40,301 He immediately, the next day, put me on lithium out of nowhere. 1253 01:25:40,385 --> 01:25:42,971 He took me off my normal meds I'd been on for five years. 1254 01:25:43,054 --> 01:25:46,432 And lithium is a very, very strong and completely different medication 1255 01:25:46,516 --> 01:25:47,976 compared to what I was used to. 1256 01:25:48,643 --> 01:25:51,062 Not only did my family not do a goddamn thing, 1257 01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:52,605 my dad was all for it. 1258 01:25:53,398 --> 01:25:55,608 He loved every minute of it. 1259 01:25:55,692 --> 01:25:58,945 The control he had over someone as powerful as me... 1260 01:26:00,321 --> 01:26:03,783 100,000% he loved it. 1261 01:26:05,994 --> 01:26:09,038 That's why I'm telling you this again, two years later, 1262 01:26:09,122 --> 01:26:12,500 after I've lied and told the whole world I'm okay and happy, 1263 01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:13,585 it's a lie. 1264 01:26:13,668 --> 01:26:17,172 I thought maybe I said that enough, maybe I might become happy 1265 01:26:17,255 --> 01:26:19,966 because I've been in denial, I've been in shock. 1266 01:26:20,049 --> 01:26:21,676 I am traumatized. 1267 01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:24,179 But now I'm telling you the truth. 1268 01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:25,972 I'm not happy. I can't sleep. 1269 01:26:26,055 --> 01:26:29,976 I'm so angry, it's insane. And I'm depressed. I cry every day. 1270 01:26:30,059 --> 01:26:32,259 The reason I'm telling you this is because I don't think 1271 01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:35,565 how the state of California can have all this written in the court documents 1272 01:26:35,648 --> 01:26:37,984 from the time I showed up and do absolutely nothing. 1273 01:26:38,067 --> 01:26:42,113 Ma'am, my dad and anyone involved in this conservatorship should be in jail. 1274 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:46,034 The last time I spoke to you, it made me feel like I was dead, 1275 01:26:46,117 --> 01:26:47,452 like I didn't matter. 1276 01:26:47,535 --> 01:26:50,788 I'm telling you this again, so maybe you can understand the depth 1277 01:26:50,872 --> 01:26:54,584 and the degree and the damage that they did to me back then. 1278 01:26:54,667 --> 01:26:58,087 It's embarrassing and demoralizing what I've been through, 1279 01:26:58,171 --> 01:27:00,882 and that's the main reason I've never said it openly. 1280 01:27:00,965 --> 01:27:02,550 And I didn't want to say it openly 1281 01:27:02,634 --> 01:27:05,428 'cause I honestly didn't think anyone would believe me. 1282 01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,933 I just want my life back. It's been 13 years and it's enough. 1283 01:27:10,016 --> 01:27:13,061 It makes no sense whatsoever for the state of California to sit back 1284 01:27:13,144 --> 01:27:16,564 and literally watch me make a living for so many people 1285 01:27:16,648 --> 01:27:19,108 and be told I'm not good enough. 1286 01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:21,819 But I'm great at what I do. 1287 01:27:33,623 --> 01:27:37,126 Britney, Britney, Britney! 1288 01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:40,672 I feel ganged up on, and I feel bullied, 1289 01:27:40,755 --> 01:27:43,424 and I feel left out and alone. 1290 01:27:43,508 --> 01:27:45,760 And I'm tired of feeling alone. 1291 01:27:45,843 --> 01:27:48,680 I deserve to have the same rights as anybody does 1292 01:27:48,763 --> 01:27:52,475 by having a child, a family, any of those things. 1293 01:27:53,559 --> 01:27:55,186 That's all I wanted to say to you, 1294 01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:58,147 and thank you so much for letting me speak to you today. 117208

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