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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:17,050 - A mix tape to me is an invitation 4 00:00:17,050 --> 00:00:20,780 to enter into someone else's world. 5 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:25,560 - A mix tape is a set of songs that are designed 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,610 to evoke a specific set of emotions or a mood or feeling, 7 00:00:29,610 --> 00:00:30,780 or something you're trying to say. 8 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:34,210 They're basically a letter from yourself to another person. 9 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:39,210 A mix tape is utilizing the finite amount of minutes 10 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:44,410 to define a musical, emotional environment, 11 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:50,000 where you can put it on and go through your past, 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,630 your future, your present, in a way that 13 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:56,210 is emotionally poignant. 14 00:00:56,210 --> 00:00:59,190 - A mix tape is an instrument that you use 15 00:00:59,190 --> 00:01:02,790 to show someone your coolness, 16 00:01:02,790 --> 00:01:06,510 and the cool things and culture that you like. 17 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:09,890 And you put them all together on one cassette like, 18 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:11,940 your whole collection of coolness. 19 00:01:11,940 --> 00:01:13,860 - Because of that, it's incredibly intimate. 20 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:16,520 When you know someone well enough to give them a mix, 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,170 it's almost like knowing someone well enough 22 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:19,640 to say I love you. 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,580 You're running that risk of rejection. 24 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:26,170 - I totally edited the mixes that people gave to me, 25 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:29,068 because no one does it better than me. 26 00:01:29,068 --> 00:01:30,210 (laughs) 27 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:34,770 - A mix tape is the gateway to the entrance of your soul. 28 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:38,182 It's either like you're allowed in or you're fucking denied. 29 00:01:38,182 --> 00:01:39,015 (laughs) 30 00:01:39,015 --> 00:01:41,460 - You have to make great mix tapes if you're a music lover. 31 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:44,520 It's just a part of, you don't have to be a musician. 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,000 You just have to love music. 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,280 And that first track is so imperative. 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,330 - It's really about knowing what songs sync together, 35 00:01:51,330 --> 00:01:53,620 what songs blend together, and having, like, 36 00:01:53,620 --> 00:01:55,930 creating a feeling, and taking people on a journey. 37 00:01:55,930 --> 00:01:59,300 - A mix tape is a traveling sound collage. 38 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:01,350 A full-circle experience. 39 00:02:01,350 --> 00:02:06,050 - The entire day, spread out musically. 40 00:02:06,050 --> 00:02:07,593 And if it's done properly, 41 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:10,490 you're gonna have the best fucking day of your life. 42 00:02:10,490 --> 00:02:15,320 - A mix tape, to me, is an expression of songs. 43 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,160 - An expression of yourself. 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,190 - A communication of some feelings. 45 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:23,950 - Holds the key to your whole soul and being. 46 00:02:23,950 --> 00:02:26,180 - Where I've been and where I am now. 47 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:27,290 - It's an incantation. 48 00:02:27,290 --> 00:02:28,700 It's an invitation. 49 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:30,800 - It's a perfectly captured moment. 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,570 - You make it with great affection. 51 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:34,030 It takes time. 52 00:02:34,030 --> 00:02:35,720 I put it in the tape deck, I'm like damn! 53 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,790 My hair stands up. 54 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:38,480 I get all gooey inside. 55 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,940 - A mix tape is an opportunity to express 56 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:46,940 through the collage of different artists, a story. 57 00:02:47,257 --> 00:02:49,840 (upbeat music) 58 00:02:55,144 --> 00:02:58,144 (upbeat rock music) 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,360 - Hazel was interested in getting a record player 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,540 for a little while. 61 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:27,940 And so I was researching online 62 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:29,470 and I found this record player that also 63 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:31,100 had a tape player built in. 64 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:34,760 I was like, well that's gotta be the one we're gonna get. 65 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,483 Got her a Beach House record, Death Cab record, 66 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:38,070 stuff like that. 67 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:39,840 And then I was like, oh wait, 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,645 I think I've got that box of tapes in the garage. 69 00:03:42,645 --> 00:03:45,685 So I went and grabbed this box of tapes here. 70 00:03:45,685 --> 00:03:50,685 And it's mostly mix tapes, including the mix tape 71 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:55,850 that I made for your mother when we first started dating. 72 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:57,240 And so we just kind of sat on the floor 73 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,590 and listened to a bunch of these tapes. 74 00:03:58,590 --> 00:04:00,433 So you take the tape, 75 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:05,663 that's got to be on the left hand side, put it in here, 76 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:08,263 turn this on. 77 00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:10,617 We need to plug it in. 78 00:04:10,617 --> 00:04:11,630 (both laughing) 79 00:04:11,630 --> 00:04:12,710 That's an important part. 80 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:15,357 - [Hazel] Yeah, that might affect it a little bit. 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,240 - [Robert] What was the first musical format 82 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,503 that you listened to? 83 00:04:20,503 --> 00:04:23,120 Like, did you buy CDs or was it just digital music? 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,083 - No, I think I had, like, a CD player. 85 00:04:26,083 --> 00:04:29,091 I'm sure it was pink or Hello Kitty, or something like that. 86 00:04:29,091 --> 00:04:30,299 - Something, yeah. 87 00:04:30,299 --> 00:04:33,940 - And yeah, I think I listened to some CDs. 88 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:37,510 I remember listening to Phoenix, "Listzomania." 89 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:40,770 I have like really distinct memories of that. 90 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:41,820 - Really? - Yeah. 91 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:43,170 - On CD? 92 00:04:43,170 --> 00:04:44,003 - I think so. 93 00:04:44,003 --> 00:04:44,836 - Did we have that CD? 94 00:04:44,836 --> 00:04:45,956 - Yeah, I think so. 95 00:04:45,956 --> 00:04:47,880 I remember putting it in, and like- 96 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,853 - It was probably a CD-R. 97 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:52,104 Do you know what a CD-R is? 98 00:04:52,104 --> 00:04:52,937 - No. 99 00:04:52,937 --> 00:04:53,770 - Should we talk about that? - This is a good start. 100 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:55,156 - All right, yeah, all right. 101 00:04:55,156 --> 00:04:57,739 (upbeat music) 102 00:05:29,491 --> 00:05:31,060 - Well, the first thing we had was 8-tracks. 103 00:05:31,060 --> 00:05:33,540 We started out with a massive amount of 8-tracks, 104 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:35,990 and then my uncle had an 8-track player in his car, 105 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:36,823 so that was a big deal. 106 00:05:36,823 --> 00:05:38,440 It was like whenever anybody got to drive that car 107 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,330 with the 8-track player in it, 108 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:42,380 they always went crazy over the 8-tracks. 109 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:45,210 - I hated 8-track right away 110 00:05:45,210 --> 00:05:48,930 because it would break up one song on the side. 111 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:49,763 It would go, 112 00:05:49,763 --> 00:05:52,287 it would be like la la la la la kkk-chunk, 113 00:05:54,577 --> 00:05:56,233 then it would be la la la la la. 114 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:58,310 That's not nice. 115 00:05:58,310 --> 00:06:00,060 They should never have done that. 116 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:01,250 - Vinyl was a big part of it, 117 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:03,010 because the record collections were all vinyl. 118 00:06:03,010 --> 00:06:05,440 So it was like, going through those and looking 119 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,480 at the album covers. 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,943 A lot of albums I know I knew as a kid and knew 121 00:06:08,943 --> 00:06:11,288 of them just because of the covers 122 00:06:11,288 --> 00:06:13,470 had really dope artwork on them. 123 00:06:13,470 --> 00:06:16,190 Or, you know, something on the cover that stood out. 124 00:06:16,190 --> 00:06:19,740 - With my mom in Brookline, 125 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:24,334 I remember not necessarily what records she'd have on, 126 00:06:24,334 --> 00:06:25,680 but I remember looking at her record collection 127 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,880 while she was gone, and picking from that 128 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,440 and seeing the record to 129 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,003 the Joe Cocker record, with his crazy face. 130 00:06:33,878 --> 00:06:34,950 His like ahh face. 131 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:36,830 - If you were just looking at album covers 132 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:38,060 and being like, Who is this girl 133 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:39,600 with all this crazy makeup on? 134 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,150 And then you get home and it's like Nina Hagen, 135 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:43,829 and you're like, This is different, you know what I mean? 136 00:06:43,829 --> 00:06:47,662 (singing in foreign language) 137 00:06:48,532 --> 00:06:50,060 - I definitely remember falling in love 138 00:06:50,060 --> 00:06:51,680 with a lot of imagery, 139 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,950 a lot of album covers. 140 00:06:53,950 --> 00:06:58,160 And I felt like it deepened the listening experience. 141 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,850 The earliest thing that I can remember, 142 00:07:00,850 --> 00:07:05,360 insofar is developing a relationship with music 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,070 or falling in love with music really comes 144 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:11,530 from my memories of sharing time with my father. 145 00:07:11,530 --> 00:07:13,730 Listening to him spin records. 146 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:16,030 It was never a conscious thing that we did. 147 00:07:16,030 --> 00:07:18,680 It just seemed like that was always the fallback. 148 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,010 - My mother was incredibly eclectic with music. 149 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:26,200 She has, in my opinion, pitch perfect taste in music. 150 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,499 While I don't have every record she had, 151 00:07:29,499 --> 00:07:33,190 20 Barbara Streisand records I can live without. 152 00:07:33,190 --> 00:07:38,030 However, she raised me, Miles Davis, Bartok, 153 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:42,700 Broadway show tunes, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, 154 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:46,238 Bob Dylan, both Guthries, Pete Seeger, 155 00:07:46,238 --> 00:07:48,500 and on and on, and on. 156 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:50,580 - When I really got, 157 00:07:50,580 --> 00:07:52,660 I was old enough to get my own, 158 00:07:52,660 --> 00:07:54,710 it was like a my first Sony type thing. 159 00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:56,650 It had a cassette player. 160 00:07:56,650 --> 00:07:58,320 It was portable. 161 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,040 Red with like big green and blue buttons, 162 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,240 probably for a little kid. 163 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,240 And I remember my mom allowing me to purchase "Purple Rain." 164 00:08:08,111 --> 00:08:09,940 (laughing) 165 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:12,730 Which I used to know all the words to "Purple Rain", 166 00:08:12,730 --> 00:08:14,170 and I had no idea. 167 00:08:14,170 --> 00:08:17,168 Like, "Darling Nikki", right over my head. 168 00:08:17,168 --> 00:08:19,730 ♪ You could say she was a sex fiend ♪ 169 00:08:19,730 --> 00:08:23,090 - The very, very, very first record that I bought 170 00:08:23,090 --> 00:08:27,700 was actually "Hang on Sloopy" by Jan and Dean, 171 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:30,500 because I thought that they were singing Hang on Snoopy. 172 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:34,210 And I was a big Snoopy fan. 173 00:08:35,132 --> 00:08:39,160 ♪ Hanging round the water fountain, playing the fool ♪ 174 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,910 - My idea with the mix tape was putting a record 175 00:08:41,910 --> 00:08:46,910 on the stereo, holding the single speaker cassette deck 176 00:08:48,004 --> 00:08:52,700 with a condenser mic to the speaker and being real quiet, 177 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,080 and recording the song. 178 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,210 - You'd like listen late night, off the radio. 179 00:08:58,210 --> 00:09:01,000 And at the time, like with the radio shit, 180 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,000 it's not like your CDs or your records where it records 181 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:07,730 at a certain level. 182 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:09,800 Like, however loud you got the radio, 183 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,640 that's how loud it's gonna record. 184 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,900 - Everybody would sit there with their finger 185 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:16,440 on the pause button, waiting for it to come on 186 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,240 and as soon as that show started on the radio, 187 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,670 you would record it. 188 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:23,520 And then if you had a dual cassette recorder, 189 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,870 you could dub that cassette and then give it to one 190 00:09:25,870 --> 00:09:26,980 of your friends. 191 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:28,877 - There just wasn't a lot of money to go around 192 00:09:28,877 --> 00:09:31,967 and to buy records, and the way that my friends 193 00:09:31,967 --> 00:09:34,650 and I discovered new music was specifically 194 00:09:34,650 --> 00:09:35,737 through creating tapes. 195 00:09:35,737 --> 00:09:37,710 You didn't let your records go out. 196 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:38,810 You made a tape. 197 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:41,750 - I took over one of my parents' cars 198 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:43,833 and it had a cassette player in it, 199 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:48,833 and what I wanted was to be able to play whatever I wanted. 200 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:52,990 And I never really liked a whole album all the way through. 201 00:09:52,990 --> 00:09:55,620 I always liked only certain songs. 202 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:59,497 - The mix tape was kind of like the equivalent 203 00:10:01,830 --> 00:10:03,930 of your first bike. 204 00:10:03,930 --> 00:10:05,380 Because it was like the first moment 205 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:08,060 where musical freedom was given to you. 206 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:12,977 - Let's put Iggy Pop with Guy Lombardo. 207 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:18,540 Or, I don't know, you could just do anything. 208 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:20,880 You could make a tape and that was, you know, 209 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,520 you were expressing who you were. 210 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,580 - The thing is that people don't realize between vinyl 211 00:10:25,580 --> 00:10:28,908 and tape is the vinyl is already the classic record. 212 00:10:28,908 --> 00:10:30,740 That Bowie record is a classic record. 213 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:32,145 The Metallica record is a classic record 214 00:10:32,145 --> 00:10:34,950 and it's the mix tape is really a view 215 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:37,490 into what you like and who you are, 216 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:39,190 and how all these things relate to you. 217 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:42,090 - I really wanna tap into my inner feelings the most, 218 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:46,070 and look at it as a journal, like a diary entry as well. 219 00:10:46,070 --> 00:10:48,480 This is what I'm feeling. 220 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,957 This is where I've been, and I'm sharing that in this mix. 221 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:55,280 - I like being able to take all of these artists 222 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,350 that you would never think would go together 223 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:59,900 and put them together, because it's about the groove. 224 00:10:59,900 --> 00:11:01,820 It's not about the genre to me. 225 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:04,640 - You know, mix tapes are giving people a chance 226 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,924 to really remix the culture in a weird way, you know? 227 00:11:08,924 --> 00:11:11,540 - One of the earliest memories I have of sharing music 228 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:16,540 for people was when a lot of sort of more salacious 229 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:20,450 and underground rap and hip-hop music came around. 230 00:11:20,450 --> 00:11:22,070 It was a lot of music you didn't want your parents 231 00:11:22,070 --> 00:11:23,080 to know you were listening to, 232 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,897 because they positively couldn't understand it 233 00:11:24,897 --> 00:11:27,201 and it was ushering you into a world that you 234 00:11:27,201 --> 00:11:32,201 had absolutely no frame of reference for. 235 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:34,510 - Like I see this one guy, he lives in the suburbs 236 00:11:34,510 --> 00:11:36,730 but there's all these bands he doesn't know about, 237 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:39,320 and he's gotta hear them because these bands 238 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,690 are gonna save his life. 239 00:11:40,690 --> 00:11:42,280 So he's gotta get a cassette of it. 240 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,370 And I'm gonna sit up all night and make this cassette 241 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:47,230 for him to make this C60 TDK. 242 00:11:47,230 --> 00:11:49,173 It's gonna save his life. 243 00:11:55,335 --> 00:11:56,168 (upbeat music) 244 00:11:56,168 --> 00:11:57,750 - [Robert] All right, so what's our first step? 245 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:59,860 - I'll look through my dad's music. 246 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:04,860 So I'm picking some rockin' songs to show 247 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:08,040 that I have a rockin' dad. 248 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,479 - So, is there anything that stands out 249 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:12,210 from what you've looked at so far? 250 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:15,290 - I've seeing a lot of My Bloody Valentine. 251 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:19,240 I mean, there's so many to look through. 252 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,220 So the first one's gotta be good. 253 00:12:22,220 --> 00:12:23,470 That's a lot of pressure. 254 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:29,943 So some of these don't even have like words on them. 255 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,119 So, I don't know. 256 00:12:35,119 --> 00:12:37,080 I don't know what that is. 257 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,250 I know "Bizarre Love Triangle." 258 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:41,287 - Okay. - I like that one. 259 00:12:41,287 --> 00:12:42,667 "Swap meet." 260 00:12:42,667 --> 00:12:44,810 "Fake Empire." 261 00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:46,803 We definitely care about U2. 262 00:12:48,004 --> 00:12:51,313 Something from The Joshua Tree. 263 00:12:51,313 --> 00:12:53,120 - Gonna put "Live Forever." - All right. 264 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,721 Definitely something from here. 265 00:12:55,721 --> 00:12:57,990 He loves "Rushmore." 266 00:12:57,990 --> 00:12:59,583 I have a Beach House CD. 267 00:13:00,870 --> 00:13:02,090 The Beatles. 268 00:13:02,090 --> 00:13:05,480 I'm not sure if I should do "Help," or "Let it Be." 269 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,797 Is it against the rules to put two songs by the same band in 270 00:13:09,797 --> 00:13:11,607 "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying." 271 00:13:11,607 --> 00:13:12,807 "Arcade Fire." 272 00:13:14,030 --> 00:13:16,019 Definitely is gonna go in there. 273 00:13:16,019 --> 00:13:16,852 - Okay. 274 00:13:21,605 --> 00:13:24,188 (upbeat music) 275 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,500 - My early days of making a mix tape. 276 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,760 This is back when I had this many records 277 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,760 and this many cassettes. 278 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,870 You have less of everything. 279 00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:38,010 So everything is of greater importance. 280 00:13:38,010 --> 00:13:40,720 I'm going to take the entire weekend and I'm going 281 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,290 to take this blank 90-minute tape, 282 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:46,820 that cost me about an hour's pay, and I'm going 283 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:51,290 to make a beautiful environment of music. 284 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:53,080 90 perfect minutes. 285 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,080 A sonic environment that you can live in and enjoy. 286 00:13:58,170 --> 00:13:59,720 - You'd get a 90-minute cassette. 287 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,040 You know, a Maxell Type II, of course. 288 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,650 You can't do anything with Type I. 289 00:14:03,650 --> 00:14:04,483 What's Type I? 290 00:14:04,483 --> 00:14:05,850 It's gotta be Type II. 291 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:08,740 - My go-to mix tape were these, 292 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:13,740 these blank Maxells, XL IIs. 293 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:16,540 The 100-minute version, 294 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:18,654 just because I could fit a little more music on there. 295 00:14:18,654 --> 00:14:19,950 - Never used the 120s, because the quality 296 00:14:19,950 --> 00:14:21,310 is a little bit shitty. 297 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:22,230 But 90s. 298 00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:23,550 An XL II 90. 299 00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:25,664 - I think whichever one was on sale, to be honest 300 00:14:25,664 --> 00:14:26,497 with you, man. 301 00:14:26,497 --> 00:14:27,970 Like whichever I could buy a bundle 302 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:29,920 of three or five pack bundle. 303 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,540 - I would buy them in packs of five, right. 304 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:34,120 You'd buy the five pack. 305 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,870 for, I don't know, $10 or whatever they were. 306 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:39,010 And they were the gold ones. 307 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:41,200 - Now I didn't know what was the best. 308 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,550 It just had gold on it. 309 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:45,330 - It's gold, and so it must be good! 310 00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:47,773 - You pulled that Maxell Gold out, people knew. 311 00:14:47,773 --> 00:14:49,630 They's like, oh man he's pulling out the heat. 312 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:51,140 He's got the heat on that one. 313 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:52,913 - I don't even know what Type II means. 314 00:14:52,913 --> 00:14:53,970 I have no idea. 315 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:55,710 I just assume it's better than Type I. 316 00:14:55,710 --> 00:14:57,580 Like Type I is junior. 317 00:14:57,580 --> 00:15:00,720 Or like Type I is like the entry-level or novice, 318 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,420 and Type II must be like expert. 319 00:15:02,420 --> 00:15:04,865 So I just, you know. 320 00:15:04,865 --> 00:15:06,500 Will we ever solve the mystery? 321 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:07,333 What's Type II? 322 00:15:07,333 --> 00:15:08,271 I have no idea. 323 00:15:08,271 --> 00:15:09,330 - I'm trying to remember all the brands. 324 00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:12,523 It was like Maxell, Sony, Memorex. 325 00:15:13,877 --> 00:15:15,220 And then the Memorex commercial where the guy, 326 00:15:15,220 --> 00:15:16,960 was it Memorex or Maxell where the guy's sitting 327 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,270 in the chair and the wind's blowing? 328 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:19,770 And we all like, yeah we're going 329 00:15:19,770 --> 00:15:20,870 to get those because that's good sound. 330 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:22,420 - I would never use Memorex, 331 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,194 even though the commercial is amazing. 332 00:15:24,194 --> 00:15:27,960 (grand orchestral music) 333 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,600 I always get drop-outs. 334 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,140 And someone once told me, you're just magnetic. 335 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,250 And I just said that's bullshit. 336 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:38,950 No, I'm not magnetic. 337 00:15:38,950 --> 00:15:40,390 These are shitty tapes. 338 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:43,030 - Memorex did this dicky thing during the '80s 339 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:44,900 where they had the one that had like pink triangles 340 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:45,733 and shit on it. 341 00:15:45,733 --> 00:15:46,920 It looked like a fucking explosion 342 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,920 in a "Miami Vice" episode. 343 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:49,930 It was that thing. 344 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:52,440 Anytime I saw one of those, I was like I judged. 345 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,970 I was like, oh you ghetto mix-tape maker. 346 00:15:54,970 --> 00:15:58,860 - When I joined the band Black Flag in 1981, 347 00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:03,000 I became influenced by the great producer Spot. 348 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Spot was a TDK man from day one. 349 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:11,840 And I bought TDK cassettes because he worked 350 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,350 with them in the studio and he said, they're reliable. 351 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:18,010 Batch after batch, that's my go to cassette. 352 00:16:18,010 --> 00:16:19,310 And so I became a TDK guy. 353 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:20,820 - This is so fucking nerdy, 354 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:25,820 but I remember the box itself was kind of almost curved. 355 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:31,100 Where the spine had a little tiny curve to it. 356 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:33,140 So it kind of felt tactile. 357 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:36,010 Like in your hand, it felt substantial and the weight 358 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:36,843 was beautiful. 359 00:16:36,843 --> 00:16:39,710 I think I actually have a couple like still in, 360 00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:40,543 I think I might, 361 00:16:40,543 --> 00:16:41,376 I have them somewhere here. 362 00:16:41,376 --> 00:16:42,470 I have them in the, 363 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:44,410 I still have them in the packaging, 364 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:47,100 virgin untainted, never been recorded on. 365 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,900 - There was high bias and like all these weird codes, 366 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,930 what made it sound like you were getting something, 367 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:53,880 this is gonna sound good. 368 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,479 It all just sounded like the same tape! 369 00:16:55,479 --> 00:16:56,970 It didn't necessarily sound any better. 370 00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:58,386 It's a fucking cassette. 371 00:16:58,386 --> 00:17:00,870 It's magnetic tape, it's gonna wear out, 372 00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:02,267 so it was always weird to me that they always 373 00:17:02,267 --> 00:17:05,650 had these BSAFF and LX. 374 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:06,670 So buy this tape. 375 00:17:06,670 --> 00:17:09,040 It's the best, Memorex, it's gonna blow your mind. 376 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,533 I was like, mmmm, I still hear a hiss. 377 00:17:11,533 --> 00:17:14,116 (upbeat music) 378 00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:19,390 - There was a 45 a single that came out in the summer of, 379 00:17:19,390 --> 00:17:24,090 I think, 1975 or '76 called Mr. Jaws. 380 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:27,540 It would play clips of songs as the answers 381 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:29,520 to interview questions. 382 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,900 - [Reporter] We are here on the beach where a giant shark 383 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:33,840 has just eaten a girl swimmer. 384 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,020 Well, Mr. Jaws, how was it? 385 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:37,700 - [Man] Dy-no-mite! 386 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:40,153 - [Reporter] And what did she say when you grabbed her? 387 00:17:40,153 --> 00:17:42,500 ♪ Please, mister, please ♪ 388 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,230 - So I started doing that as a kid. 389 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:48,340 I would I didn't make a mix tape full of songs. 390 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:51,130 I made a mix tape of lines from songs. 391 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:53,440 - Basically like the mix tape started out 392 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,680 as something specifically put together as a presentation 393 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,160 of music, but like not necessarily 394 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,190 as one flowing mix of music. 395 00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:03,950 A perfect example of what I'm trying to say 396 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,600 is like DJ Crazy Toones. 397 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,750 DJ Crazy Toones, his mix tapes are like movies. 398 00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:13,120 So it's like you start out with an explosion. 399 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,910 - There was a lot of different acapellas 400 00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:18,470 that DJs used to start off a mix. 401 00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:20,880 So you knew who they were as soon as they started off. 402 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,880 Like, there used to be this Tarzan sound effect 403 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:29,479 that Farley would play on the radio. 404 00:18:29,479 --> 00:18:32,312 (Tarzan shouting) 405 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:36,800 And you would be like, oh that's Farley. 406 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,010 - The first shit I really started getting was from New York. 407 00:18:39,010 --> 00:18:40,450 You'd get these DJs from New York 408 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:42,170 and they'd drop these like mix tapes 409 00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:44,770 with exclusive freestyles over samples 410 00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:46,450 that hadn't been cleared yet or busting 411 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:48,110 over someone else's beat. 412 00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:50,760 And those were the ones I really, like, 413 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,840 that shit really took off. 414 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,590 - Then we started making these things called pause mixes. 415 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:58,830 Everybody that was a kid in the '80s, 416 00:18:58,830 --> 00:19:03,010 or mid to about '85, '86, is familiar with the pause mix. 417 00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:04,801 Basically, you take all your favorite songs 418 00:19:04,801 --> 00:19:07,930 and you pause them at certain points and then you throw in 419 00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:09,760 another song, but you had to throw it in right 420 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,730 on beat so that it would continue and make a continuous mix. 421 00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:15,171 - Some tape decks had a harder pause, 422 00:19:15,171 --> 00:19:20,040 so when you let it go it automatically started recording. 423 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,700 Some of them had slower pauses so you couldn't really do it, 424 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:23,890 so there'd be a little lag. 425 00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:26,560 - The number one thing you liked about the cassette machine, 426 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,210 not necessarily the Walkman, but the machine 427 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:31,070 was that goddamn pause button was so tight 428 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:33,420 that you would not make mix tapes the way that, 429 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:34,253 let's say, a love mix tape is. 430 00:19:34,253 --> 00:19:37,070 Which is like here's this song, it goes into this song, 431 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:39,130 it goes into this song, and then here's a full song. 432 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:40,740 You would make it where it would be like, 433 00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:43,060 I'm gonna take this verse and then I'm gonna put it 434 00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:44,480 into the bridge of this song, 435 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,610 then I'm gonna take this song 436 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:46,620 and that's gonna be the chorus. 437 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:49,340 And you would just hit that pause button and you were able 438 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:51,730 to splice together everything you wanted. 439 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:55,820 - If you wanted to do it like seamless, 440 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:58,870 you needed to have a mixer. 441 00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:03,240 And I have this, I had this old Radio Shack 4-channel mixer. 442 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,140 I think I have it back here somewhere. 443 00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:07,652 Yeah, I'm gonna go, 444 00:20:07,652 --> 00:20:09,013 hang on one second. 445 00:20:10,285 --> 00:20:12,660 Yeah, so this is what I had. 446 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:14,570 This thing right here. 447 00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:16,073 This was the mixer I had. 448 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:19,670 Left and right and then left and right, 449 00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:22,670 so you'd put one cassette there and one cassette there 450 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:24,150 and there was the output. 451 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:26,200 And then there was another cassette player 452 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,170 recording both of those. 453 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:31,430 Either it was a turntable or another cassette player. 454 00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:36,430 So this is my cool little Radio Shack Realistic mixer 455 00:20:36,490 --> 00:20:37,333 that I used. 456 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:44,610 I was a little, I was a perfectionist about it, 457 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:47,963 so my mix tapes were fucking good. 458 00:20:49,056 --> 00:20:51,973 (tapes scratching) 459 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:57,050 - So that's how you'd check to get your first beat, 460 00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,760 when you're doing your blend. 461 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,145 Get it right there on the blend and... 462 00:21:01,145 --> 00:21:03,728 (upbeat music) 463 00:21:06,250 --> 00:21:07,083 - We'd take a week 464 00:21:07,083 --> 00:21:08,630 and make a whole tape and then give them 465 00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:10,626 to somebody else and trade them all out. 466 00:21:10,626 --> 00:21:12,137 Every week it would be like, 467 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:13,430 let me hear what you made this week, 468 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:14,740 let me hear what you made this week. 469 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:16,970 - Pretty much mix tapes are either to make you look cool, 470 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:18,894 if you're going to blast them, love, 471 00:21:18,894 --> 00:21:21,030 or you're trying to turn someone on to something. 472 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:23,083 - It doesn't even involve me. 473 00:21:26,284 --> 00:21:27,760 It just involves what I love. 474 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,640 And I think that's all I'm really trying 475 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,990 to do with my music, is to show people what I love. 476 00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:33,840 Not because they need to love it, or it's important to them, 477 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,990 but because it's that five-year-old thing 478 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:38,253 of look what I made, and, 479 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:43,423 I think probably mix tapes are, 480 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,310 I think they're one 481 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:51,570 of the last ways we really let ourselves do that 482 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,950 before we become adults 483 00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:55,640 and don't do things like that anymore. 484 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,890 - I think the first mix tapes 485 00:21:56,890 --> 00:22:01,350 that I ever made were on a dual deck cassette player. 486 00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:05,540 And I definitely remember how much labor went 487 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:07,720 into making these mixes. 488 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,610 - And then I got one with a CD player on top, 489 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:13,930 back when CDs were like $45 a piece. 490 00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:17,430 And so you would have the CD player on top, 491 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:20,450 cassette tape there, so then the whole world was my oyster. 492 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:22,970 - You have to figure out first what was the purpose 493 00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:23,880 of the tape? 494 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,920 Was it to inspire emotion? 495 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,920 Was it to turn somebody on to new stuff? 496 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:33,950 Was it both? 497 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:35,300 - It just depends what you're trying to say. 498 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:36,770 Because that's what mix tapes were. 499 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:39,130 They were letters to somebody, you know? 500 00:22:39,130 --> 00:22:41,470 - [Robert] Okay, so what we're gonna do, 501 00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:42,320 before you figure out 502 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,930 what order you want everything to be is, 503 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:45,280 is we're gonna write all the songs. 504 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,010 And then we're gonna look at it 505 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:48,580 and figure out what order they should go in. 506 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:50,600 And so we'll start with CD's. 507 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240 We have The Cure. 508 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,527 The song is "Push." 509 00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:56,910 And then New Order. 510 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:59,670 I believe you wanted "Bizarre Love Triangle." 511 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:01,697 - Mm-hmm. - Belle and Sebastian. 512 00:23:01,697 --> 00:23:04,447 - "Get Me Away from Here, I'm Dying." 513 00:23:04,447 --> 00:23:05,620 "Help!" 514 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:07,093 The Beatles, again. 515 00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:09,687 - "Let it Be", correct? - Yes. 516 00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:13,077 - Peter Bjorn and John. 517 00:23:13,077 --> 00:23:14,287 "Amsterdam." 518 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,547 Let's do "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." 519 00:23:20,597 --> 00:23:22,190 "Fake Empire." 520 00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:24,178 - [Robert] First Nirvana. 521 00:23:24,178 --> 00:23:26,240 I believe you wanted "Swap Meet." 522 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,096 All right, one of your personal favorites. 523 00:23:28,096 --> 00:23:30,368 - Mazzy Star. - You got that on vinyl. 524 00:23:30,368 --> 00:23:33,090 - It's gonna be an interesting mix of songs. 525 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,210 - The first track on your mix tape 526 00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:39,670 is the most important thing ever that you'll ever do 527 00:23:39,670 --> 00:23:41,950 if you decide that you want to make a mix tape. 528 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:42,937 - Yeah, it's very important. 529 00:23:42,937 --> 00:23:44,900 You've got to grab the person's attention immediately. 530 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:46,453 And I have to grab my own first. 531 00:23:46,453 --> 00:23:47,907 Like, I have to be really into it. 532 00:23:47,907 --> 00:23:50,960 It has to start from there or else it's kinda, 533 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,793 it's not gonna flow. 534 00:23:51,793 --> 00:23:56,440 - It doesn't matter if you are a DJ, in a band, 535 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,840 doing a playlist, doing a mix tape. 536 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,610 The first song is what sets the tone for what is to come. 537 00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:06,810 So when I DJ now, I always play "Gay Bar" 538 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:08,465 by The Electric Six. 539 00:24:08,465 --> 00:24:11,730 ♪ Gay bar, gay bar, gay bar ♪ 540 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,540 - It really has to jumpstart that mix tape. 541 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:19,540 And if you fail at that, you will forever be a lost soul 542 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:21,630 in the mix tape world. 543 00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:23,063 - I saw it as a whole. 544 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,090 The first track was important, 545 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:28,370 but I think so is the second, so is the third. 546 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:31,770 - You have to have a dynamic. 547 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,730 It can't just be this static line. 548 00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:35,860 So, you know, it could be a pop song, 549 00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:37,830 and then a really hot rock song, 550 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:39,960 and then a slow ballad, and then like repeat. 551 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,590 - A lot of the process was what kind of feeling you wanted 552 00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:45,630 to convey, what kind of emotion you wanted to convey, 553 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:48,200 or a storyline you wanted to establish. 554 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,200 And so much of that was done with, you know, key. 555 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,070 I know your people who are watching this aren't going 556 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:57,590 to be musicians, but I think 557 00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:59,790 that I always had a natural instinct for how 558 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,407 to tell a story through different songs, 559 00:25:02,407 --> 00:25:05,940 and the placement of key in ascending and descending. 560 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:09,898 What instruments started off, what instruments ended. 561 00:25:09,898 --> 00:25:11,207 - I remember I did 562 00:25:11,207 --> 00:25:14,840 "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" into "Everybody Wants Some." 563 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,817 And so there's this saxophone kind of drum outro 564 00:25:16,817 --> 00:25:20,540 to "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" and then this drum intro 565 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:22,290 to "Everybody Wants Some", and it just, 566 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:24,250 I was so proud of how it sounded. 567 00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:27,350 - I don't know if this is an experience for others, 568 00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:30,746 but there's songs that I describe like that song 569 00:25:30,746 --> 00:25:34,140 sounds like what it feels like to be me. 570 00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:37,570 - If you listen to a lot of my early mix tapes, 571 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:41,170 Devo and Buzzcocks feature prominently. 572 00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:44,790 Also a song called "Life of Crime" by The Weirdos. 573 00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:48,810 To this day, I hear it and go, man, I'm jealous. 574 00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:51,800 I never did anything nearly that good. 575 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,400 - Every mix tape I ever made 576 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,128 had "Charlotte Sometimes" by The Cure. 577 00:25:58,128 --> 00:26:00,500 It was non-negotiable. 578 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,797 - New order, "Bizarre Love Triangle", 579 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,130 The Smiths, "Unlovable", 580 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:11,033 and I would also have to say, 581 00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:16,340 Pet Shop Boys, "West End Girls." 582 00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:18,680 - PJ Harvey, The Fall, Can. 583 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,990 - Fela Kuti would be one, Fela and Roy Ayers. 584 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:24,705 - I guess I would say that if I had to put one song 585 00:26:24,705 --> 00:26:28,463 on every high school mix tape I ever made, 586 00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:31,284 it's was probably "Let's Go Crazy" by Prince. 587 00:26:31,284 --> 00:26:33,750 (laughs) 588 00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:34,794 'Cause the beginning is like, 589 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:36,287 (vocalizing) 590 00:26:36,287 --> 00:26:38,800 "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today 591 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,420 to get through this thing called life." 592 00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,230 Anything that starts like that, you should listen 593 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:45,063 to that man. 594 00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:45,980 (laughs) 595 00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:48,733 - I would often include the X-Ray Spex. 596 00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:51,520 It would usually be right in the middle, 597 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,593 where it would surprise people. 598 00:26:58,027 --> 00:26:59,610 Like, "Oh Bondage! Up Yours!", 599 00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:01,510 of course, famously. 600 00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:03,920 - I would make something so I could listen to it in the car, 601 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,800 and cruise around, and surprise people, like, 602 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,510 you'll never guess what's coming next. 603 00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:10,390 And the process was always that. 604 00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:11,630 It was always, like, 605 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:16,630 trying to do radical left-turns genre every time. 606 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,150 - There's songs that shouldn't be on mix tapes. 607 00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:25,150 And I don't know what all of them are. 608 00:27:25,159 --> 00:27:26,860 - I'm gonna drop some Dr. Demento' in here, 609 00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:28,790 in the middle of like two love songs. 610 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:33,790 - I think a lot of them were like Dr. Demento songs. 611 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,370 I just hated to hear any Dr. Demento songs. 612 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:39,804 - I used to always put on monkey-wrench songs 613 00:27:39,804 --> 00:27:42,290 that I knew that they probably would hate. 614 00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:44,308 Like I don't know very many girls 615 00:27:44,308 --> 00:27:49,290 who liked Captain Beefheart, for example. 616 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:50,970 But I love Captain Beefheart. 617 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:52,110 And it was like almost, 618 00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:53,780 it was like a dare. 619 00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:55,610 Like, I dare you to like this. 620 00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:56,960 - Me and one of my old friends, 621 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,150 we'd always make mix tapes 622 00:27:58,150 --> 00:28:01,533 and we always said there was always one song that killed it. 623 00:28:01,533 --> 00:28:02,366 (laughs) 624 00:28:02,366 --> 00:28:04,880 Whether it be It would always be on the B-side, 625 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,550 but there would be always one song 626 00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:09,730 that just didn't fit and it just stuck out. 627 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:12,239 And I would always try to avoid putting that song on. 628 00:28:12,239 --> 00:28:13,490 But for some reason, 629 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:15,820 it would always make its way onto every mix tape. 630 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:17,230 - Whenever they would say, "I don't like that song. 631 00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:18,480 Why'd you put that on there?" 632 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,110 I'd be like you're crazy. 633 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:24,090 And, you know, next thing we knew we'd get into some sort 634 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:26,680 of ridiculous argument where I was definitely wrong. 635 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,190 - What I like to do though is based on the person 636 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:32,630 that I make the mix tape for, kind of feel out 637 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:36,990 where their edge might be and try to take them there. 638 00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:40,610 - I always usually had a Pulp song on there, 639 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:42,320 and usually Radiohead. 640 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,900 Probably The Ronettes is usually on the majority 641 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:47,540 of my mixes. 642 00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:48,820 The Cramps. 643 00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:51,490 I usually like to throw in some Albinoni to throw people 644 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:53,900 for a loop, depending on the mood of what I'm going for. 645 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:58,240 Not for a dance mix per se, but maybe a moodier mix. 646 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,667 Oh, Portishead for sure would 100% go on there, 647 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:05,440 without any hesitation. 648 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,280 Serge Gainsbourg, 100%. 649 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,072 And maybe some like Astrid Gilberto. 650 00:29:10,072 --> 00:29:10,905 Yeah. 651 00:29:10,905 --> 00:29:12,290 And then maybe Ella Fitzgerald. 652 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:14,170 Sorry, I'm just making my mix. 653 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,933 (laughs) 654 00:29:16,933 --> 00:29:19,300 I could keep going but I'll stop. 655 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,210 - Your gold tape. 656 00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:21,700 - My gold tape. 657 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:22,533 - Here we go. 658 00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:25,510 All right, so, 659 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:28,100 this is our recording side. 660 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,797 I believe this is Side A. 661 00:29:29,797 --> 00:29:31,550 - [Hazel] How do you tell? 662 00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:32,990 - Normally it says A and B on it. 663 00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:34,054 These do not. 664 00:29:34,054 --> 00:29:35,000 (laughing) 665 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,833 - Nice. 666 00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:38,910 - I think it's usually when all the tape is on one side. 667 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:41,270 That's the, when it's all on the left, 668 00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:44,283 I think that's I'm going to find out momentarily, 669 00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:47,895 if it plays and doesn't stop immediately. 670 00:29:47,895 --> 00:29:50,478 (upbeat music) 671 00:29:53,475 --> 00:29:55,892 (indistinct) 672 00:29:58,237 --> 00:30:01,237 (upbeat rock music) 673 00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:04,618 Timing is essential. 674 00:30:04,618 --> 00:30:05,451 - Yeah. 675 00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,053 So you just let it play all the way through? 676 00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:11,862 - Yes. 677 00:30:11,862 --> 00:30:13,390 Believe it or not, we have to sit through the whole song. 678 00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:14,360 (Hazel laughing) 679 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,260 That's how you used to make mix tapes. 680 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,330 - It became of the utmost importance to get all 681 00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:24,440 of those 45s onto this cassette, where the outro 682 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240 of the song is not cut off by the intro of the next song, 683 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,020 there's not too much blank space between songs. 684 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,220 - I remember rewinding and erasing and rewinding 685 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,600 and hitting record again many times. 686 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,020 I mean, it would take hours. 687 00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:40,810 - Then you'd become a real pro. 688 00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:43,800 And when you're working in real time, analog, 689 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,960 your mistakes are in real time. 690 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,380 So you play it back and you go, oh no, 691 00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:50,020 I screwed up that song. 692 00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:54,160 I have to re-do the last 23 minutes 693 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,500 of the A-side of this cassette. 694 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,370 And I've been sitting in this position in front 695 00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,759 of the tape deck for like nine hours making it. 696 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:01,800 Ahhhh. 697 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,190 - But I think that's what made it so special 698 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:08,450 and so meaningful, when you gave a mix tape 699 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:11,620 or received a mix tape, especially if it 700 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:13,550 had homemade artwork on it. 701 00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:14,430 - It's your personality. 702 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:18,540 Like the mix is a part of you, and so the art, 703 00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:19,900 they should reflect each other. 704 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:24,870 - I did like a nail polish and white out art on it. 705 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:27,098 - I would cut out stuff from magazines. 706 00:31:27,098 --> 00:31:30,850 Usually the title of the mix tape would be a quote 707 00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:32,430 from one of the songs off the mix tape and that 708 00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:35,080 would be like another thing for them to discover 709 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,110 which song it was. 710 00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:39,830 - I would go out and take photos of you know trees 711 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,870 and water but make it intentionally blurry, 712 00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:45,620 so then I would have all these photos that I'm sure, 713 00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:48,010 like when I went to the Rite Aid to get these developed 714 00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:50,590 they were like oh sir this whole stack of photos is garbage, 715 00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:52,647 it's just blurry water-colory looking stuff. 716 00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,790 I'm like yes, that's exactly what I was going for. 717 00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:59,790 - I used to draw like these, they're like graffiti letters. 718 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,210 But it wasn't like actual graf. 719 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:04,156 It was like block letters but I made them in like bubbles. 720 00:32:04,156 --> 00:32:06,380 And then I would draw like little things 721 00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:09,660 inside like hearts or balloons, or stars, or whatever. 722 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:13,900 - I would do multi-colored magic marker things, 723 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,397 and arrows to this and that, and asterisks, 724 00:32:16,397 --> 00:32:18,580 and you flip over to the back cover and duh duh duh duh. 725 00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:19,723 I mean, it was just so, 726 00:32:19,723 --> 00:32:20,556 (laughs) 727 00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:22,440 - I couldn't draw to save my life. 728 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,537 I couldn't. 729 00:32:23,537 --> 00:32:26,770 Just writing the names of the songs 730 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:27,870 in a way that was legible. 731 00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:31,435 Being a lefty and dragging your hand across 732 00:32:31,435 --> 00:32:36,435 that glossy sheet was a fucking nightmare. 733 00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:38,360 It would just blur everything out. 734 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400 There's a whole nother documentary 735 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,610 on being a fucking lefthander, 736 00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,130 but being a left-hander and trying to write shit 737 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:44,410 on mix tapes. 738 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:45,320 (sighing) 739 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,480 - Can you imagine the whole process 740 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,473 I just showed you from tape to tape? 741 00:32:49,849 --> 00:32:51,087 - I don't even wanna think about that. 742 00:32:51,087 --> 00:32:53,370 - How about vinyl to tape, 743 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,000 like getting it between the songs? 744 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,200 - That would be torture. 745 00:32:58,070 --> 00:33:02,070 That's just like a whole nother thing of anxiety 746 00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:05,420 for like one mix tape. 747 00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:06,670 - [Robert] But if somebody gave you one, 748 00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:10,243 knowing that's what they went through to make it for you? 749 00:33:10,243 --> 00:33:11,076 - Yeah. 750 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:11,909 - [Robert] Would you appreciate it more now? 751 00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:13,571 - Yeah. 752 00:33:13,571 --> 00:33:16,560 (upbeat music) 753 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,860 - The very first mix tape that I was ever exposed 754 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,130 to was a mix tape that my father made that 755 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:25,140 was called "Mood Pieces." 756 00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:27,810 - [Robert] What was the inspiration behind this one? 757 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,810 - Just some music that you could kind of sit back 758 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:34,090 and get transported away. 759 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:36,890 To get you in a certain mood, if you will. 760 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:41,640 And I selected those with that thought in mind. 761 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640 - [Robert] What's our favorite track on this Mood Pieces? 762 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,940 How long since you even looked or heard at it? 763 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,839 - We actually listened to a little piece of it 764 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:52,027 just a little while ago, but it's been years. 765 00:33:52,027 --> 00:33:55,263 "Big Log" always jumps out. 766 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:59,037 Marianne Faithfull, "Intrigue." 767 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,367 "Times Square." 768 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,730 Some of the special ones. 769 00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:05,670 - What it really brought to light, 770 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:09,800 especially because my father wasn't a musician, 771 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,940 for a non-musician making a mix tape I guess 772 00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:17,180 is about as close as a non-musician can get 773 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:21,750 to using sound to construct something very personal. 774 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,600 - My musical experience is me and Ian MacKaye, 775 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,250 we've been best friends since we were 12. 776 00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:27,260 We're now in our 50s. 777 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:28,400 We're still best friends. 778 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,470 We talk every week and our conversation often goes to music. 779 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:36,081 - It was incredibly laborious to find cool music 780 00:34:36,081 --> 00:34:37,280 back in those days. 781 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,310 So what a lot of us would do, 782 00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:41,380 or what I would do is I would go over 783 00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,582 to a friend's house who had tons of seven-inches, 784 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:46,200 and he would just, 785 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,400 he or she would just play me seven-inches 786 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,557 and I would record the ones that I liked. 787 00:34:50,557 --> 00:34:52,629 Oh, I like that, let's tape that one. 788 00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:57,040 - I cannot overemphasize how important this language 789 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,890 was and is between Ian and myself. 790 00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:03,853 And how the cassette, the mix tape was important 791 00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:07,920 in maintaining and prolonging that conversation. 792 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,100 - Me and my sister used to do like mix tape club 793 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:15,100 where it's literally fuckin', it's like charades, 794 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:19,830 you put your hands in the box, you pull out a subject. 795 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:24,400 It's like mixes about fucking breakups or The Yellow Mix. 796 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,440 Where everything has to be yellow. 797 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,690 The Crazy Mix. 798 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:29,500 I pulled crazy for The Crazy Mix 799 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,210 and it's all either people that went crazy. 800 00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,820 Like Nirvana, he shot himself in the head. 801 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,290 Or fucking Skip Spence. 802 00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:39,720 He went fucking nuts. 803 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,480 Or like songs about being crazy, 804 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,870 like Black Sabbath, "Paranoid." 805 00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:47,667 Daniel Johnston, he went fucking nuts. 806 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:48,500 "The Story of an Artist", 807 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,670 that's a kill yourself fucking song. 808 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:51,700 You see the ones with the dots 809 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:52,850 indicate the people that actually 810 00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:54,740 lost their fucking minds too. 811 00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:56,803 - I wasn't an idea guy or a theme guy. 812 00:35:56,803 --> 00:35:59,160 That was masturbation as far as I was concerned. 813 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,100 Now you're just jerking off. 814 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,283 But, just make a fucking solid mix tape. 815 00:36:02,283 --> 00:36:04,610 Because I think you get locked into the theme more 816 00:36:04,610 --> 00:36:07,070 than you get locked into the flow, for me at that point. 817 00:36:07,070 --> 00:36:09,450 So it was all about the flow and about a journey, 818 00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:12,600 and about sort of making sense from one song to the next, 819 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,500 and making sure that you sort of 820 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:16,990 carried people through something. 821 00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:18,440 So you were never jolted. 822 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,140 I never wanted a song to come on and be like, oh. 823 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:23,470 I wanted you to be prepared for the journey as you went. 824 00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:27,020 - I had access to porno records when I was younger, 825 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:29,140 when they put porno on vinyl. 826 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:32,230 That was always fun to just throw into a mix tape 827 00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:35,010 or at the very end of the tape, you know. 828 00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:36,950 In my mind, I'd give a mix tape to somebody 829 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:39,670 and then the second side and they'd kind of fall asleep, 830 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:42,120 it'd be at night, and all the sudden like, porno. 831 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:45,840 - It just at some point it turned into a place 832 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,793 for me where, 833 00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:51,840 yeah, where I could communicate. 834 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,330 Where I could communicate with people. 835 00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:57,720 - The most important thing about the mix tape, to me, 836 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:59,730 was my cousin's introduction. 837 00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,927 He started talking to me about bands and he said, 838 00:37:01,927 --> 00:37:03,670 "You know what, I'm going to make you some tapes." 839 00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:06,550 You know, these mix tapes were just like the Bible 840 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:08,670 for me as a teenager. 841 00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:09,640 - I don't wanna go so far as 842 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,060 to say the mix tape saved my life, 843 00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:15,876 but when you're 13 and everything is that real 844 00:37:15,876 --> 00:37:20,150 and that important, and that histrionic, yeah. 845 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:21,890 The fucking mix tape saved my life. 846 00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:23,830 - My high school didn't have, 847 00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:26,420 it wasn't Nobody had good taste. 848 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:27,360 Nobody. 849 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,210 Only me. 850 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:29,790 I was the only person that had good taste 851 00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:31,595 in my entire high school. 852 00:37:31,595 --> 00:37:32,428 - When I went to Purchase, 853 00:37:32,428 --> 00:37:34,510 senior, Purchase is where I went to college, 854 00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:39,183 in '87, my freshman year, at some point I was, 855 00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:44,770 I don't remember being given it, it just showed up. 856 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,610 This cassette showed up and I remember putting it in 857 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,570 and it blowing my fucking mind. 858 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,440 Because it was Siouxsie and the Banshees 859 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,440 and Killing Joke and China Crisis and Gene Loves Jezebel. 860 00:37:58,450 --> 00:38:02,330 I'm pretty sure there was probably "Revenge" 861 00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:04,420 from Ministry was on there. 862 00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:06,450 So whoever made it for me or whoever made it 863 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:11,450 and left it accidentally in my dorm, was a cutter for sure. 864 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,390 So that introduced me 865 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:18,700 to like a whole other fuckin' darker edge. 866 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,304 Because I'm a Phil Collins fan and his darkness is 867 00:38:21,304 --> 00:38:23,150 ♪ One more night ♪ 868 00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:24,450 It's not actually cutting. 869 00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:27,510 It's just sort of wishing you had the strength to cut, 870 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:28,444 for your pain. 871 00:38:28,444 --> 00:38:30,130 Instead you just write sappy love songs about it. 872 00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:32,834 Whereas Siouxsie is just like, ahhhhh. 873 00:38:32,834 --> 00:38:37,049 ♪ Now she's in purple, now she's a turtle ♪ 874 00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,700 ♪ Disintegrating ♪ 875 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,647 - I was as into making mix tapes as I was into making music. 876 00:38:40,647 --> 00:38:42,616 It was the same feeling for me. 877 00:38:42,616 --> 00:38:43,449 It was this feeling of creativity 878 00:38:43,449 --> 00:38:46,700 and I made them all the time for everyone. 879 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:48,447 Yeah, for friends. 880 00:38:48,447 --> 00:38:49,980 I can't even say girlfriends. 881 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:53,561 But for girls I wanted to be my girlfriends. 882 00:38:53,561 --> 00:38:56,144 (upbeat music) 883 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,910 - To be honest, it was always about girls. 884 00:39:00,910 --> 00:39:02,722 - I'm going to make you a mix tape, 885 00:39:02,722 --> 00:39:04,850 and it's how I'm going to tell you, hey, 886 00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:06,580 I really like you but I'm too shy to tell you. 887 00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:09,230 Which is, shyness is, believe it or not, 888 00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:10,440 always been a problem for me. 889 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,639 - I made her a mix tape with like "The Power of Love" 890 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,770 and fuckin' Peter Cetera. 891 00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:19,617 Oh shit, I even put Robert Palmer's 892 00:39:19,617 --> 00:39:21,480 "I Didn't Mean to Turn You On" on there. 893 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,430 That's how fuckin' ridiculously ballsy this was. 894 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,180 - I knew there were certain songs that I had to hit 895 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,710 because I was trying to let her know 896 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:29,580 just how much I loved her. 897 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:31,590 - When I first started working in record stores, 898 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:35,330 I remember the consistency of being asked 899 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:38,770 if we had Art of Noise, "Moments in Love." 900 00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:41,840 And I had never heard this track when I was first asked 901 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,830 for it, but I noticed that the people 902 00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:48,367 that were asking for it were generally men 903 00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:52,313 and it was generally before they were going on a date. 904 00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:58,180 And once I heard this song, I got it, immediately. 905 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,040 - The mix tape to woo the female, for me, 906 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,010 was this wonderful night of living in this illusionary world 907 00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:10,800 of this is going to work out great because of this cassette. 908 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,860 This is how I can talk to this woman. 909 00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:16,050 I'll let the Platters talk for me 910 00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:19,570 I'll let Richard Berry and Johnny Otis. 911 00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:24,570 - There's certain songs like Al Green, "Simply Beautiful." 912 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:29,079 For years, just goes on a mix. 913 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,210 I love that fuckin' song. 914 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:34,233 And it's not a typical Al Green song. 915 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:39,050 it's just vulnerable and sweet and delicate 916 00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:42,690 and that shit plays. 917 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:45,180 There are certain tracks that it's like dude, 918 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:47,200 if you don't like that track, 919 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,510 I don't know if we can continue on. 920 00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:50,810 - I always felt like it was important 921 00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:54,570 to have a really good first side closer 922 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:56,040 and then a second side opener. 923 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,170 Like it makes you want to flip the tape over. 924 00:40:58,170 --> 00:41:01,670 Something where it's like an ellipsis. 925 00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:02,670 Like a dot dot dot. 926 00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:04,630 You have to like, oh wait, what's next? 927 00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:08,500 I have to flip this over and see where he's going with this. 928 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,320 How does he really feel about me? 929 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,993 Check out side two to find out. 930 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,703 - Oh, no! - Wait. 931 00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:19,217 - We hit the end of Side A. 932 00:41:20,357 --> 00:41:22,770 - What do we- - We completely miscalculated. 933 00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:24,063 We failed. 934 00:41:24,063 --> 00:41:25,730 (Robert laughing) 935 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:28,380 - But like, do we have to erase the song? 936 00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:32,970 - Okay, we can either erase the last song, 937 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:33,803 so that it's clear. 938 00:41:33,803 --> 00:41:37,130 Because that's about two, three minutes of white noise. 939 00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:39,783 Or we find a shorter song. 940 00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:43,693 Or we leave it as is, but it's gonna be really distracting. 941 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,900 - We can't leave it like that. 942 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:47,733 I think... 943 00:41:50,344 --> 00:41:51,250 - [Robert] I think we should try "Help!", 944 00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:53,847 only because it's a shorter song and we might be able 945 00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:54,780 to get that in there. 946 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:56,250 - So do we just go back and do- 947 00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:57,083 - [Robert] Yes. 948 00:41:57,083 --> 00:41:58,230 We have to manually go back and erase over it. 949 00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:59,456 - Oh wow. 950 00:41:59,456 --> 00:42:03,289 (light acoustic guitar music) 951 00:42:05,105 --> 00:42:08,569 - What I was hoping for was Oh my god, you understand me, 952 00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:11,100 I'm falling all over myself. 953 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:14,963 You are the one male I've ever met who gets me. 954 00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:17,580 And it was always like, oh yeah, I played that tape 955 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:20,780 with my friends in the car, and we lost it under the seat, 956 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:22,758 and there's that really cool song 957 00:42:22,758 --> 00:42:24,827 where there's that really nice beat. 958 00:42:24,827 --> 00:42:25,970 And you're like- 959 00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:27,470 - I'm incredibly selfish. 960 00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:29,620 I don't listen to other people's mix tapes. 961 00:42:30,796 --> 00:42:33,800 (both laughing) 962 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,623 I mean, I'd read the song list. 963 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,670 And I'd write a thank you note. 964 00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:39,340 - Maybe my first mix tape 965 00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:42,270 was from a boyfriend who was always trying 966 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,362 to get me like certain music that he liked, 967 00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:48,650 and I'd always be like, that sucks. 968 00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:49,553 I hate that. 969 00:42:49,553 --> 00:42:53,330 - And so you must really enjoy the fact 970 00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:54,630 that you're making it. 971 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:58,590 This is quality time you're spending with this person. 972 00:42:58,590 --> 00:42:59,630 She's not in the room. 973 00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:01,670 So it's a perfect relationship. 974 00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:05,360 Nothing can go wrong because it's completely fictitious. 975 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,350 - The mix is almost like this litmus test, 976 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:08,500 like, are we going to jibe? 977 00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:09,939 You know what I mean? 978 00:43:09,939 --> 00:43:11,800 Like, getting a mix from somebody, 979 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,460 hearing what they like to listen to, 980 00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:17,310 being exposed to new music, learning about that person. 981 00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:19,670 And also judging them harshly too. 982 00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:23,330 - It wasn't necessarily coming from the most selfless place. 983 00:43:23,330 --> 00:43:25,030 It was coming from more of like a, 984 00:43:26,665 --> 00:43:30,230 maybe I thought I was cool and I wanted them to be cool. 985 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:33,220 So it wasn't necessarily coming from an expression 986 00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:35,560 of adoration. 987 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,650 It was actually more coming from a place of narcissism, 988 00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,010 if I'm honest. 989 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:42,727 - To be real with you, I didn't even make mix tapes 990 00:43:42,727 --> 00:43:43,560 for other people. 991 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,953 I made mix tapes for myself. 992 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:47,543 Fuck them. 993 00:43:47,543 --> 00:43:49,260 I don't, like, fuck other people. 994 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,270 I'm like, I bought all these fucking songs, 995 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:52,875 I'm making this shit for myself. 996 00:43:52,875 --> 00:43:56,144 - (sighing) I've made so many break-up cassettes. 997 00:43:56,144 --> 00:43:58,130 (all laughing) 998 00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:00,150 And like put them on and just like sat there 999 00:44:00,150 --> 00:44:01,640 and howled at the moon. 1000 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,930 - I really believe that one of the ways 1001 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:08,760 that I achieved closure was making this mix tape. 1002 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,530 There's some My Bloody Valentine, 1003 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:13,150 there's some Verve, there's some Slowdive. 1004 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:16,280 Actually there's a lot of Slowdive on this cassette. 1005 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,900 - Why? 1006 00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:22,800 Because there's something beautiful about that misery. 1007 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,590 - I do have many experiences 1008 00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:30,570 where a tape made me feel even more connected 1009 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:34,253 with people for sure, with my boyfriends, 1010 00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:36,273 and my friends. 1011 00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:43,010 Especially I say boyfriends because if they're gonna write, 1012 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:47,623 if they're gonna send you a love letter in a tape, 1013 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,230 you're gonna feel it by the songs they're putting 1014 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,063 on that tape. 1015 00:44:52,063 --> 00:44:55,200 - I had moved to California on my own at 19, 1016 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,030 just deer in the headlights, like just going for it. 1017 00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:00,430 And I was lonely. 1018 00:45:00,430 --> 00:45:01,870 Like I didn't know anybody. 1019 00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:06,140 So my life for probably like two years, 1020 00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:09,570 before I really started getting like a lot of friends, 1021 00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:12,470 was work, music. 1022 00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:16,730 Those mix tapes really helped me out and made me feel good. 1023 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:19,120 I remember I bought a car out here 1024 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,960 and I could put it in the car 1025 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,670 and I just had a good feeling of like someone, him, 1026 00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:24,740 being there. 1027 00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:28,652 And him taking the time and the love to do that. 1028 00:45:28,652 --> 00:45:31,235 (upbeat music) 1029 00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:34,630 - After you would get that mix, 1030 00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:35,840 you would check it on a bunch of things 1031 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,780 and the number one thing you would check it on is the car. 1032 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:39,270 And when you go into the car, 1033 00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:40,860 you would have 20 fucking notes, 1034 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:42,140 'cause everything would slightly change. 1035 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,870 You'd be like, oh the bass is way too loud. 1036 00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:46,060 Or like oh this thing doesn't go from left to right, 1037 00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:46,893 it goes from right to left. 1038 00:45:46,893 --> 00:45:47,970 We've got to change that. 1039 00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:49,830 And you would go back with 1000 notes. 1040 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:52,260 - I loved listening to music in the car. 1041 00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:53,810 I do that to this day. 1042 00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:55,880 I check mixes in the car. 1043 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,273 I would put them in order that I wanted, I would listen 1044 00:45:58,273 --> 00:46:00,790 to them in the car, I would drive around aimlessly, 1045 00:46:00,790 --> 00:46:02,720 I would get lost. 1046 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,047 I love to drive around and get lost. 1047 00:46:04,047 --> 00:46:06,637 - And I had a really good Blaupunkt. 1048 00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:09,943 And I had a really good stereo. 1049 00:46:11,146 --> 00:46:12,983 I'm in my car right now. 1050 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,493 Driving down the 405. 1051 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,320 Coming home from Knotts Berry Farm 1052 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,840 is what I'm doing right now. 1053 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,770 - So apparently the best place 1054 00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:24,670 to test a mix tape is in a car, 1055 00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:28,310 so we found a car that I can play this in. 1056 00:46:28,310 --> 00:46:29,462 So we're gonna do that. 1057 00:46:29,462 --> 00:46:30,295 - [Robert] Where did we find it? 1058 00:46:30,295 --> 00:46:31,128 On Facebook? 1059 00:46:31,128 --> 00:46:33,820 - Yeah, we sent out a message on Facebook. 1060 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:36,780 Like, does anybody have a car that can play a cassette tape? 1061 00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:38,160 So we found somebody. 1062 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,670 - We got one. - We got one. 1063 00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:42,370 - We're going for it. - Let's go. 1064 00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:44,660 - [Man] All right, so let's do the car test. 1065 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:45,641 - Where do I even- 1066 00:46:45,641 --> 00:46:47,153 - [Man] Do you remember what the car test is? 1067 00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:49,813 - Like, playing it. - Yeah. 1068 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,403 - So, where? 1069 00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:55,793 - [Man] Okay, you need to start the car. 1070 00:46:55,793 --> 00:46:57,300 (laughing) 1071 00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,730 This is lesson one. 1072 00:46:58,730 --> 00:47:00,380 This is how you play it in a car. 1073 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:02,853 - Okay, wait. 1074 00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:04,290 Okay, okay. - We're in park, right? 1075 00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:08,050 - I don't want to start rolling. 1076 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,513 - [Man] Okay, it's in park, right? 1077 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,067 Turn off the radio. 1078 00:47:14,067 --> 00:47:14,900 - Where? 1079 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:15,733 How? 1080 00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:17,657 - [Man] Just press, I guess the volume button. 1081 00:47:17,657 --> 00:47:19,290 Press it. 1082 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,221 Okay, well, we'll start there. 1083 00:47:21,221 --> 00:47:23,387 - Do I press- - Yeah, there yo go. 1084 00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:25,270 Put the volume up a little bit. 1085 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:31,610 Now put the tape in where it says logic control deck, 1086 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:33,543 see that? 1087 00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:37,683 But you have to put, 1088 00:47:37,683 --> 00:47:39,800 see how it's kind of shaped like a cassette? 1089 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,800 - This way? - Yeah. 1090 00:47:42,967 --> 00:47:44,807 Go the other way. - Flip it around. 1091 00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:48,663 - [Man] That's how we used to do it. 1092 00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:51,920 - I feel like I'm doing something wrong. 1093 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,670 - No, this is correct. - Okay. 1094 00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:55,503 - [Man] Now turn up the volume. 1095 00:47:55,503 --> 00:47:56,537 Can you shut that door? 1096 00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,273 - Oh, it's playing. 1097 00:47:59,273 --> 00:48:00,106 It's playing. 1098 00:48:00,106 --> 00:48:01,323 - [Man] There you go, there's your mix. 1099 00:48:02,278 --> 00:48:03,111 (upbeat rock music) 1100 00:48:03,111 --> 00:48:07,358 - Okay, so now we just listen to it? 1101 00:48:07,358 --> 00:48:09,941 (upbeat music) 1102 00:48:12,077 --> 00:48:13,530 - I remember working my job as a telemarketer 1103 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,850 playing my shit for people in the parking lot. 1104 00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:19,647 And I remember Keith Murray just came out, so I'd be, 1105 00:48:19,647 --> 00:48:21,290 hey you know about that new Keith Murray? 1106 00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:22,310 And I'd be playing that. 1107 00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:27,023 And the crazy thing is that was me as a kid. 1108 00:48:28,035 --> 00:48:28,990 That was me as a kid. 1109 00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:32,010 And now that's my job. 1110 00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:36,760 - As a young musician, I recall making mix tapes 1111 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,780 to express sort of the feeling of 1112 00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:40,340 where you wanted a band to go, 1113 00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:42,640 what the musical styling would be. 1114 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,270 Music creates community, 1115 00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:46,100 and the types of music create community, 1116 00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,192 and the stories that music tells 1117 00:48:48,192 --> 00:48:51,820 moves forward through us all. 1118 00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:54,535 - We weren't trained musicians. 1119 00:48:54,535 --> 00:48:56,500 We were all self-taught. 1120 00:48:56,500 --> 00:49:00,100 So that's exactly how we would communicate. 1121 00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,490 It's the Coltrane area. 1122 00:49:01,490 --> 00:49:05,420 Or it's the Blues Explosion part. 1123 00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:10,420 We would explain our songs by describing that 1124 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:14,080 using other artists to describe, or other songs 1125 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,310 to describe them. 1126 00:49:15,310 --> 00:49:17,280 - When The Muffs were on tour, 1127 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,530 everybody would have a little box with cassettes tapes 1128 00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:23,240 in it, and we would take turns playing stuff. 1129 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,610 - I love mix tapes so much that there's a song 1130 00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:28,710 on the first Morningwood record called "Jetsetter", 1131 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:31,627 which the full title is "Jetsetter Music Letter", 1132 00:49:31,627 --> 00:49:35,000 ♪ This is a Jetsetter Music Letter ♪ 1133 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,130 Which was the name 1134 00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:38,790 of a mix tape that I made for my best friend, 1135 00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:41,350 and I liked the title and the intention so much 1136 00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:43,580 that I used it in a song that was on our record. 1137 00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:44,560 - When we did the first Left Rights, 1138 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,920 it really was like a mix tape. 1139 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,310 I mean, when we had so many tracks and wanted it 1140 00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:50,470 to flow a certain way, we literally, 1141 00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:53,630 I mean, it looked like a storyboard conference 1142 00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:57,210 or like a meeting, or like when someone in Homeland 1143 00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:00,440 is trying to connect the dots between who the killer is, 1144 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,760 solve a murder or something. 1145 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,510 We put up index cards of every song on a huge board, 1146 00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:06,343 plus songs that never made it, 1147 00:50:06,343 --> 00:50:07,640 and we just kept moving them around 1148 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,700 to see what the flow was. 1149 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,383 - In fact, I had an argument with our drummer Roy, 1150 00:50:12,383 --> 00:50:16,957 about which song should go first on our last album. 1151 00:50:16,957 --> 00:50:21,390 He really wanted the song "Weird Boy Next Door" to be first, 1152 00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:24,751 and I really wanted the song "Paint by Numbers" to be first. 1153 00:50:24,751 --> 00:50:27,578 And he won. 1154 00:50:27,578 --> 00:50:30,085 ♪ He's a boy next door, what a boy ♪ 1155 00:50:30,085 --> 00:50:32,666 ♪ Do nothing what he's living for ♪ 1156 00:50:32,666 --> 00:50:35,282 ♪ He's a boy next door, what a boy ♪ 1157 00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:39,430 ♪ Nasty, keep away from him ♪ 1158 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:41,540 I realized he was right. 1159 00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:43,587 You know, there's a right way and a wrong way. 1160 00:50:43,587 --> 00:50:46,096 (laughs) 1161 00:50:46,096 --> 00:50:46,929 It's so sad. 1162 00:50:46,929 --> 00:50:48,490 - I think a mix tape is all about, 1163 00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:50,621 specifically it's about using these different songs 1164 00:50:50,621 --> 00:50:52,140 to create a dynamic. 1165 00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:54,620 There's usually the quiet part, then it gets rockin', 1166 00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:56,403 and you know then it drifts out. 1167 00:50:59,130 --> 00:51:01,210 That's the way I think of albums and even more than that, 1168 00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:05,300 it's kind of the way I think of my, you know, 1169 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:07,240 my career as it were. 1170 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,810 Because a mix tape is kind of a sloppy thing 1171 00:51:08,810 --> 00:51:10,690 but it's a really elegant thing, 1172 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:12,850 that to make a good one takes thought. 1173 00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:15,935 - One of the reasons why I felt 1174 00:51:15,935 --> 00:51:19,120 that I could make a successful career for myself 1175 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,120 as a DJ is because of my history making mixes for people. 1176 00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:28,610 - I think it's a good interaction to perform live, 1177 00:51:28,610 --> 00:51:29,750 especially to improvise. 1178 00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:33,966 It's a good challenge to feel the audience. 1179 00:51:33,966 --> 00:51:35,960 To be able to communicate with them 1180 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,870 in the most natural way I know how, which is in the music. 1181 00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:44,870 - I saw DJing as a way to almost make a live mix tape. 1182 00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:49,850 - That was exactly the same feeling 1183 00:51:49,850 --> 00:51:51,150 as making a good mix tape, 1184 00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:52,720 because you're sort of, 1185 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,700 you're taking an audience on a journey. 1186 00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,720 You know, you'd start with an idea 1187 00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,180 and then you take people on a journey 1188 00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:01,380 and bring them down and bring them back up again. 1189 00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:02,213 - I brought my records, 1190 00:52:02,213 --> 00:52:04,320 and basically I just went through my record collection 1191 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,930 and found all of my favorite records. 1192 00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:07,910 It's records that were all my jams, 1193 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:09,190 stuff that I liked to party to. 1194 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:11,430 Put them in a crate, put them in BPM order, 1195 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:12,940 and took them to the party. 1196 00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:14,140 And started playing. 1197 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:15,730 - It really just came from the heart though. 1198 00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:19,180 It wasn't about beat matching, which again I beat match now, 1199 00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:23,127 but it was more coming from my heart and telling a story. 1200 00:52:23,127 --> 00:52:27,162 And I really don't know where I'm gonna start. 1201 00:52:27,162 --> 00:52:30,229 I kind of have to take a look at what's happening 1202 00:52:30,229 --> 00:52:32,749 on the dance floor. 1203 00:52:32,749 --> 00:52:35,140 And that kind of dictates where I wanna start. 1204 00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:36,510 - As much as I want it to be about me 1205 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:38,659 and the songs I pick and how great I am at it, 1206 00:52:38,659 --> 00:52:41,240 I really do try to look at the crowd 1207 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,680 and just check their body language, see who, 1208 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,810 how they're talking. 1209 00:52:44,810 --> 00:52:46,277 - There's so many people that have been like, 1210 00:52:46,277 --> 00:52:47,110 yo, you remember 1211 00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:48,610 when you did your set and you played that song? 1212 00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:50,290 That was my first time hearing it. 1213 00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:52,180 Now it's like one of my favorite songs. 1214 00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:53,620 Or I played it at my wedding. 1215 00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:55,750 Or It's me and my wife's song now or something like that. 1216 00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:58,665 - That's pretty cool where you can play a song 1217 00:52:58,665 --> 00:53:03,665 and it translates and, you know, it's the feelings 1218 00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:07,542 that the people get from the music. 1219 00:53:07,542 --> 00:53:11,430 The screaming and the hollering and people jumping 1220 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:13,880 and just clapping, and the smiles that you get 1221 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,163 from people playing these different songs. 1222 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,670 It really keeps it going. 1223 00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:19,510 It keeps me going. 1224 00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:22,910 - The great Dierdre O'Donoghue, the sadly passed away DJ, 1225 00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:25,025 taught me everything I know about making a radio show. 1226 00:53:25,025 --> 00:53:27,980 And I would go sit with her and watch her in the '80s 1227 00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:30,840 as she would do her Snap show on KCRW, 1228 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,570 where I do my radio show now. 1229 00:53:32,570 --> 00:53:35,920 And so I'm listening, she's playing Philip Glass, 1230 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,590 which is kind of out there for an evening listen, 1231 00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:43,240 and then she'd play Prince. 1232 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,670 I go, okay, that's eclectic. 1233 00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:45,530 The pairing. 1234 00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:46,800 Why'd you do that? 1235 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,090 She goes, you're bringing in a marlin. 1236 00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:51,200 You take some line. 1237 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,533 Philip Glass, they've got to work for a few minutes. 1238 00:53:52,533 --> 00:53:55,860 This is a seven-minute cyclical avant piece. 1239 00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:58,040 Seven and a half minutes they have to sit and listen. 1240 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,110 No singing. 1241 00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:00,050 So you're taking a line. 1242 00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:02,200 You're dragging the marlin to the boat. 1243 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,140 They've been very good. 1244 00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:06,250 They didn't turn off the radio, so you give them some line. 1245 00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:07,280 Good boy. 1246 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,500 Give 'em a Prince song. 1247 00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:10,440 Give 'em a "Little Red Corvette." 1248 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,830 Like, "Oh I love that song." 1249 00:54:11,830 --> 00:54:14,010 Give them some line, they can rest. 1250 00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:15,930 Then you give them something that's new. 1251 00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:17,880 It's the new Go-Between single. 1252 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,150 Okay, a little bit of tautness on the line cause it's new. 1253 00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:23,350 Poppy, but it's new. 1254 00:54:23,350 --> 00:54:26,249 And then you make them work some more. 1255 00:54:26,249 --> 00:54:29,460 She said, "By the time the show is over, 1256 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:30,293 they're in your boat. 1257 00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:31,173 You've got them." 1258 00:54:31,173 --> 00:54:33,756 (upbeat music) 1259 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,920 - So now here we are in present day, 1260 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,214 people are making mix tapes that are on CDs 1261 00:54:40,214 --> 00:54:42,460 and it's basically just like your mix. 1262 00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:44,510 It's basically just you playing music 1263 00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:48,030 like you were playing at a club, but the art 1264 00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:50,510 of people making that specific, you know, 1265 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:54,310 special combination of stuff for a mix tape is gone, 1266 00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:56,900 along with the actual physical form of a cassette is gone. 1267 00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:00,126 - Sometimes to capture the moment 1268 00:55:00,126 --> 00:55:02,910 of hanging out with someone, 1269 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:05,660 a Polaroid picture of it would be a mix tape. 1270 00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,210 And this is me hanging out at Ian's bedroom 1271 00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:12,630 at Discord house in November of 1997 and I'm just, 1272 00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:14,120 this is "At Ian's." 1273 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,090 And it's just me making mix tapes. 1274 00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:19,260 And so here's rare Bad Brains. 1275 00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:22,560 There's the cassette of the second ever Bad Brains show, 1276 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,320 of which I have the master. 1277 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,857 The vocalist gave it to me many years ago. 1278 00:55:26,857 --> 00:55:27,910 "Chump Rock." 1279 00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:30,690 A girl I was going out with hated my taste in music. 1280 00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:35,283 But she had a stereo so I'd make mix tapes at her place and, 1281 00:55:36,842 --> 00:55:39,687 oh, look at that, "Shaft", "Kung Fu Fighting", 1282 00:55:40,637 --> 00:55:42,470 "Rock Your Baby", "Multi", 1283 00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:43,830 the song about the one-armed drummer, 1284 00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:46,140 I got that from Chuck Dukowski. 1285 00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:48,874 This is some of Chuck Dukowski's single collection. 1286 00:55:48,874 --> 00:55:51,157 ♪ Liar, liar, pants on fire ♪ 1287 00:55:51,157 --> 00:55:52,601 "You're Gonna Miss Me." 1288 00:55:52,601 --> 00:55:53,857 This is killer. 1289 00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:55,900 "Kick Out the Jams," MC 5. 1290 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:58,883 This would be 1982, this tape. 1291 00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:02,690 And so I called it "Chump Rock" because she 1292 00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:04,750 thought I was a chump for liking these songs. 1293 00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:06,770 And there's how I used to sign my name 1294 00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:07,940 in the Black Flag days. 1295 00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:10,650 Wesley Willis, that's Jello Biafra 1296 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:12,457 making me rare Wesley Willis tapes. 1297 00:56:12,457 --> 00:56:15,690 That's Jello's writing, of unreleased Wesley Willis. 1298 00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:18,437 I used to live in a tool shed, in Black Flag, 1299 00:56:18,437 --> 00:56:22,293 and this was music I used to listen to in my shed. 1300 00:56:23,177 --> 00:56:24,100 "Birthday Party." 1301 00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:27,100 Ravel doing "Bolero." 1302 00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,330 Die Haut, the German band. 1303 00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:30,680 True West, some LA band. 1304 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,530 Richard Berry, who wrote "Louie Louie." 1305 00:56:32,530 --> 00:56:36,470 The Bad Brains, Lydia Lunch and her album "Queen of Siam." 1306 00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:41,470 My old punk rock band, UK USA Number two it's a copy, 1307 00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:44,893 it's on new TDK media. 1308 00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:49,240 Ian MacKaye and I were driving once in his car years ago 1309 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,220 and he has a cassette in his tape deck. 1310 00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:52,290 And I'm recognizing it. 1311 00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:53,710 I go, wait a minute, I know this cassette. 1312 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,751 He goes, "You made it in 1979, 1313 00:56:55,751 --> 00:56:58,540 and it's just been sitting around ever since." 1314 00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:00,330 And I said, well let me copy it. 1315 00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:03,740 And so he kept the original, I kept the copy. 1316 00:57:03,740 --> 00:57:06,490 So this is one of the first mix tapes we ever made. 1317 00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:09,952 As I get older and older, my affection 1318 00:57:09,952 --> 00:57:14,380 for the cassette and the mix tape ritual putting analog 1319 00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:19,380 to analog, you know, going LP or single to magnetic tape, 1320 00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:22,950 it's a beautiful thing and if we lose it'll be a real loss. 1321 00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:26,470 People will really lose a joyful, wonderful thing. 1322 00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:28,520 Because when you listen to digital, you are not listening 1323 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,780 to music, you are listening to a bunch of numbers. 1324 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:33,630 - It was a lot of work making a mix tape, I'm not gonna lie. 1325 00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:38,630 It was hours of excruciating pain and patience. 1326 00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:41,450 Like it was a gift, you know what I mean? 1327 00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:43,607 When you got a mix tape from somebody you knew 1328 00:57:43,607 --> 00:57:47,090 it was they took their time, 1329 00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:48,880 because there was really no way around it. 1330 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,183 - A mix tape should be a tape, a cassette tape. 1331 00:57:52,183 --> 00:57:54,483 I mean if you want to make an 8-track tape, 1332 00:57:54,483 --> 00:57:56,340 that would be cool too. 1333 00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:58,080 But it has to be a tape. 1334 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,867 - This cassette, called "Long Island Iced Tea", 1335 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,920 and it was made by an old friend of mine, DJ Espiritu. 1336 00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:14,373 His name was Joe Espiritu. 1337 00:58:15,981 --> 00:58:19,860 Unfortunately he committed suicide a few years ago, 1338 00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:24,860 and I had totally forgotten that he made me this tape. 1339 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,290 He titled it "Long Island Iced Tea" 1340 00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:30,560 because he told me a story he called himself Joey Two-Drinks 1341 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,870 because it only took two drinks for him to get wasted. 1342 00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:36,300 Except the night that he had a Long Island Iced Tea, 1343 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,033 and it only took him one drink to get wasted. 1344 00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:41,280 So. 1345 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,030 I had totally forgotten about this. 1346 00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:48,460 Definitely something that you cannot, I don't know, 1347 00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:53,090 just a burned CD would not carry the same, 1348 00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:55,683 have the same gravity emotionally to it. 1349 00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,093 - CDs still had a lot of love in them I think. 1350 00:59:00,093 --> 00:59:04,160 There's definitely a generation of kids from the late, 1351 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,480 mid-'90s to the mid-2000s who grew up 1352 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,317 with the same mentality as, you know, 1353 00:59:10,317 --> 00:59:12,840 I spent a lot of time making this CD for you, 1354 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,900 my sweet please be my sweetheart type of thing. 1355 00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:20,430 - Once the CDs started happening, it was a lot better. 1356 00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:23,180 It was a lot better. 1357 00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:24,660 Cassettes are annoying. 1358 00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:27,030 I don't care who thinks they're cool. 1359 00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:27,863 They're dumb. 1360 00:59:27,863 --> 00:59:31,090 Nah, they're, see, ah, cassettes. 1361 00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:32,160 God. 1362 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,740 Such a bummer. 1363 00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:35,281 - This is tedious. 1364 00:59:35,281 --> 00:59:38,464 (Trey laughs) 1365 00:59:38,464 --> 00:59:42,381 ♪ I can't see where I am going ♪ 1366 00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:54,493 We still got a, 1367 00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:57,173 a ways. 1368 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,030 - How do you think it sounds? - Terrible. 1369 01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:03,863 Awful. 1370 01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:05,813 Like- 1371 01:00:05,813 --> 01:00:06,646 - Can you lower it all the way down 1372 01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:08,218 and let me ask you again? 1373 01:00:08,218 --> 01:00:09,110 - How do you think it sounds? 1374 01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:09,943 - Terrible. 1375 01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:13,070 Like, why? 1376 01:00:13,070 --> 01:00:14,070 - [Man] All right, pull it up 1377 01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:16,078 so we don't miss the transition. 1378 01:00:16,078 --> 01:00:19,078 (upbeat rock music) 1379 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,854 - There we go. 1380 01:00:24,854 --> 01:00:26,050 (laughing) 1381 01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:28,610 - Good transition. - There you go. 1382 01:00:28,610 --> 01:00:30,230 The power of the pause button. 1383 01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:31,960 (laughing) 1384 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,667 - So is that like a quality transition or- 1385 01:00:34,667 --> 01:00:36,359 - [Robert] Yes. 1386 01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:37,192 It's pretty good. 1387 01:00:37,192 --> 01:00:38,140 - My Dad approves. 1388 01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:39,930 - And I preferred actually making mix CDs 1389 01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:43,500 because I had much more control over what you could do. 1390 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:47,202 And it was easier to make the flow happen, to control, 1391 01:00:47,202 --> 01:00:50,400 like you never had a song cut off halfway through. 1392 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,170 - The downside is sometimes you want to fucking get out 1393 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:55,660 of that song earlier than is allowed, 1394 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:57,680 and it's kind of a pain in the ass to do 1395 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,660 unless you have the right equipment. 1396 01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:02,330 Like, it took me forever to figure out 1397 01:01:02,330 --> 01:01:04,120 that I could end a song early on iTunes, 1398 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,810 so I'd just have to play that bitch out. 1399 01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:07,900 Like, damn I wish that would have ended two minutes ago 1400 01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,910 but I really want that song on there, so here it is. 1401 01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:13,510 - My daughter has literally never owned a CD. 1402 01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:18,094 In middle school, I guess, she'd have an iPod in the car, 1403 01:01:18,094 --> 01:01:20,300 and a song would come on that I would like and I'd, 1404 01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:21,820 oh what's that song? 1405 01:01:21,820 --> 01:01:25,730 And she wouldn't have any idea what the, whose song 1406 01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:29,360 or anything, because what she would do with her friends 1407 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,240 is trade what were iPods, like 40 gigs? 1408 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,283 20 gigs, 40 gigs? 1409 01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:37,530 Just trade an iPod with someone. 1410 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:40,750 Just a whole musical library and world. 1411 01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:43,670 - For me, the most important thing is the song. 1412 01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:46,950 You know, it's not the thing that carries the song. 1413 01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:47,890 - I love change. 1414 01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:49,490 I welcome change. 1415 01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:52,500 I think that people need change to grow. 1416 01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:57,500 I also think that, you know, everything always too 1417 01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:58,790 comes full circle. 1418 01:01:58,790 --> 01:02:01,990 So, as you can see, LPs are coming back 1419 01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:04,520 and now cassettes are starting to come back around again. 1420 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,060 So I think the mix tape is ever-evolving. 1421 01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:12,850 - I think that cassettes are back pretty strong. 1422 01:02:12,850 --> 01:02:16,057 The first one that I put out with a label was 2009, 1423 01:02:16,057 --> 01:02:19,410 and I had no idea that they were on the rise since then. 1424 01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:21,860 There's a bunch of labels, and then even some 1425 01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:25,550 of the mainstream labels have put out cassette versions. 1426 01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:27,810 - Nothing's really changed at the end of the day. 1427 01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:31,030 At the end of the day, people you trust mention something 1428 01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:33,610 or play you something that you think you would like. 1429 01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:37,670 The process of how that happens just kind of has a new face. 1430 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:40,480 But at the end of the day, it's always people 1431 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,704 who have like minds sharing music. 1432 01:02:43,704 --> 01:02:48,704 - I feel that anytime a human being gets to be creative 1433 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,090 is an important thing. 1434 01:02:51,090 --> 01:02:54,290 And I understand there's nostalgia and I understand 1435 01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:57,993 that people want to hold onto what they've had in the past, 1436 01:02:57,993 --> 01:03:01,780 but the past is the past and we need to embrace new stuff. 1437 01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:04,460 Making a mix tape is a creative expression. 1438 01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:07,390 But I also think making a playlist is a creative expression. 1439 01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:10,430 But I also think, you know, looking somebody in the eye 1440 01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:14,137 and telling them I love you is as significant 1441 01:03:14,137 --> 01:03:17,329 as handing them a mix tape. 1442 01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:19,912 (upbeat music) 1443 01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:26,860 - The last great mix tape that I made was for a girl 1444 01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:29,790 that I started dating named Jennifer. 1445 01:03:29,790 --> 01:03:32,220 After we went out on a couple of dates 1446 01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:34,730 and I'm like okay, now it's time. 1447 01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:38,120 I must make the greatest mix tape of all mix tapes. 1448 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:43,120 - I knew already that I liked him very very much, 1449 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,130 but I was not able to express that to him, 1450 01:03:47,130 --> 01:03:49,030 so he was very unsure. 1451 01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:52,840 But he gave me the tape and I loved it. 1452 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,760 And it said "Songs for My Friend Jenn", 1453 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,530 and I was disheartened. 1454 01:03:56,530 --> 01:03:57,750 Terribly disheartened. 1455 01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:59,850 Because I didn't want him to be my friend. 1456 01:04:00,790 --> 01:04:05,210 So I went for a drive with my friend Mike G and we listened 1457 01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:10,100 to the tape, over and over and over again. 1458 01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:14,600 We broke apart every word of every song, 1459 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,110 trying to decide if he was giving me a secret message 1460 01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:20,980 that actually said I love you and I want you 1461 01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:21,940 to have my babies. 1462 01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:25,078 - So I think there are two contenders 1463 01:04:25,078 --> 01:04:30,000 for what could be the song that locked it for me. 1464 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,690 There is, one of them is a cover. 1465 01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:37,460 It's Belly, featuring Tanya Donnelly, 1466 01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:41,190 covering a song from The Jungle Book called "Trust in Me." 1467 01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:44,680 Which I think was sort of like a message 1468 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,970 like I'm a good guy, I'm not a bad guy, you can trust me. 1469 01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:50,980 And then there's also a song 1470 01:04:50,980 --> 01:04:52,901 by a British band called Revolver 1471 01:04:52,901 --> 01:04:54,860 called "Painting Pictures." 1472 01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:56,460 - Have you heard that song? 1473 01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:58,510 It's by Revolver, "Painting Pictures." 1474 01:04:58,510 --> 01:05:01,970 It is beautiful, something like you're painting pictures 1475 01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:03,120 in my mind again. 1476 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,473 And I just fantasized that I was, 1477 01:05:06,473 --> 01:05:08,157 that he would sit around and think about me 1478 01:05:08,157 --> 01:05:11,580 and that he would have the same feelings 1479 01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:13,610 for me that I had for him. 1480 01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:15,920 So, but it was the Belly song. 1481 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,260 It was Belly for sure. 1482 01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:21,610 - We dated for three years, got married in 1998 1483 01:05:21,610 --> 01:05:26,133 and we'll celebrate our 19th wedding anniversary 1484 01:05:26,133 --> 01:05:28,481 in May of this year. 1485 01:05:28,481 --> 01:05:29,564 So it worked. 1486 01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:33,747 - I did have a preconceived notion when I heard your music. 1487 01:05:33,747 --> 01:05:35,710 It was the first time in my life I ever 1488 01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:37,970 thought I'm old and I don't understand. 1489 01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:39,280 - But when did you first hear it? 1490 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,280 - Right before we were going on tour with you. 1491 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,160 - We met on tour. 1492 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,550 - Yeah, we met on tour and so they were 1493 01:05:43,550 --> 01:05:44,383 like you're going to open 1494 01:05:44,383 --> 01:05:45,380 for this band Mindless Self Indulgence. 1495 01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:48,010 I'm like let me go to MySpace and check this out. 1496 01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:50,223 And I went and heard "Bitches." 1497 01:05:50,223 --> 01:05:52,332 ♪ Bitches love me cause they know that I can rock ♪ 1498 01:05:52,332 --> 01:05:54,820 ♪ Bitches love me cause they know that I can rhyme ♪ 1499 01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:56,950 I don't understand music anymore. 1500 01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:59,083 I guess I'm officially old. 1501 01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,142 - At 22. - 22. 1502 01:06:01,142 --> 01:06:02,790 And I was like there we go. 1503 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:03,760 - I'm an old lady. 1504 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,067 - And then I saw him perform and I was like, 1505 01:06:06,067 --> 01:06:07,840 well, first I met him and I was like, 1506 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,230 this guy is exceptionally nice and outgoing. 1507 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:13,290 And then I was like, and he's an incredible performer. 1508 01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:15,040 And then we hooked up in a stairwell. 1509 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,050 And it was- - Yeah. 1510 01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:19,510 - I remember when I started working in record stores, 1511 01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:23,120 I thought, I'm gonna meet my wife in a record store. 1512 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,090 One day I am going to just turn around 1513 01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:30,180 and this beautiful girl is going to be standing there 1514 01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:33,410 and she's going to be holding all of my favorite records, 1515 01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:36,340 and that's how our romance is going to begin. 1516 01:06:36,340 --> 01:06:39,000 And 21 years of working in record stores, 1517 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,353 I can tell you that moment never arrived. 1518 01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:46,500 But one thing that hit me later on was realizing 1519 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,790 that the only way that a relationship would work 1520 01:06:50,790 --> 01:06:54,300 between myself and someone that loved music just 1521 01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:56,770 as much as I did, or do, 1522 01:06:56,770 --> 01:07:00,400 is if we liked exactly the same thing. 1523 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,550 And if I found myself in a relationship 1524 01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:07,000 with someone that loved black metal or jazz 1525 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,583 or other things that I don't listen to, 1526 01:07:09,583 --> 01:07:13,020 it wouldn't be a successful relationship at all. 1527 01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:18,020 So I'm very happy that I found a partner in Marcie, 1528 01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:24,924 someone who is willing to go along for the ride with me, 1529 01:07:24,924 --> 01:07:29,050 and in the process fallen in music with me. 1530 01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:30,370 - You grow up your whole life thinking 1531 01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:32,790 that your partner has to like the exact same things 1532 01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:35,362 as you and, when you're a teenager, 1533 01:07:35,362 --> 01:07:36,357 you're like he's doesn't like that band, 1534 01:07:36,357 --> 01:07:38,736 I'm going to break up with him. 1535 01:07:38,736 --> 01:07:39,730 - Idiot. 1536 01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:42,640 - But then when you get older I appreciate, 1537 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,610 I don't hate anything he likes, 1538 01:07:44,610 --> 01:07:47,290 but it's not what my number one choice 1539 01:07:47,290 --> 01:07:48,220 would be to listen to. 1540 01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:49,053 So- 1541 01:07:49,053 --> 01:07:49,970 - Our kid is gonna be fucked up. 1542 01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:51,507 - Yeah, they are gonna be an issue. 1543 01:07:51,507 --> 01:07:53,560 - Because they're gonna be listening to old school hip hop, 1544 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,170 new wave, upbeat '60s. - Upbeat '60s. 1545 01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:57,440 - Classical music. - Classical. 1546 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,140 - A lot of Pink Floyd. - Pink Floyd. 1547 01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:00,353 - Enya. - Enya. 1548 01:08:00,353 --> 01:08:01,186 - Big Eyna. 1549 01:08:01,186 --> 01:08:02,144 - So it's gonna be- 1550 01:08:02,144 --> 01:08:03,735 I don't know what that artist is gonna be- 1551 01:08:03,735 --> 01:08:06,260 - Come back to us in like 20-some odd years and talk 1552 01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:07,910 to our future child, yeah. 1553 01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:11,260 - When we got the box out and we're looking through, 1554 01:08:11,260 --> 01:08:14,460 and Jen pulls a couple tapes out and she's like, 1555 01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:18,710 oh wow our friend made some really nice mix tapes for me. 1556 01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:22,704 And I'm like, hey Jen, I think he wanted 1557 01:08:22,704 --> 01:08:24,100 to be more than friends with you. 1558 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,020 She's like, "Really?" 1559 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:27,150 I'm like, oh, you think? 1560 01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:29,590 Just look at the track listing. 1561 01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:31,834 You look at all the artwork. 1562 01:08:31,834 --> 01:08:35,020 To be fair, to be honest- - That's a lot of work. 1563 01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:37,990 - He put a little more effort into the artwork than I did. 1564 01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:42,920 I mean, maybe my simple plan worked out better 1565 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,030 but that's, you know- - Quality over quantity. 1566 01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:47,220 - A for effort. 1567 01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:49,730 - Seriously, that's a lot of work. 1568 01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:50,563 - Yeah. 1569 01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:53,730 - [Jenn] But, I mean it made me smile. 1570 01:08:53,730 --> 01:08:58,730 - I incorrectly thought that perhaps James 1571 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,240 and I went on a date to the Metropolitan Museum 1572 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,900 and made mixes and traded and walked around. 1573 01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,095 But maybe I did that with somebody else. 1574 01:09:07,095 --> 01:09:08,665 - That might have been someone else. 1575 01:09:08,665 --> 01:09:09,930 - But it was a great experience. 1576 01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:12,000 If only I could remember who was on the other end 1577 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,083 of that mix. 1578 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,250 But just know- - I gotta go. 1579 01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:18,930 - It didn't last. - It didn't? 1580 01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:20,110 - Yeah. - Oh thank God. 1581 01:09:20,110 --> 01:09:21,770 - Just so you know. 1582 01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:26,170 So that's one I can think of, incorrectly, in my mind. 1583 01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:28,097 Well, I'm just going to put your face over that memory. 1584 01:09:28,097 --> 01:09:29,874 - Yeah, just put my face on that memory. 1585 01:09:29,874 --> 01:09:31,010 It'll just be little cutout pictures. 1586 01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:33,631 - We have a lot of great memories at the Museum of Nat, 1587 01:09:33,631 --> 01:09:36,410 at the Metropolitan Museum. 1588 01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:37,870 It's where we got engaged. 1589 01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:40,634 Because of our great moments like making mixes 1590 01:09:40,634 --> 01:09:41,512 and walking around. 1591 01:09:41,512 --> 01:09:42,440 (both laughing) 1592 01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:46,360 - But he is now married with two kids 1593 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:51,220 and I guarantee you he made for his wife mix tapes. 1594 01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:52,053 for sure. 1595 01:09:52,053 --> 01:09:54,980 I'm sure if you asked her, she would have a mix tape 1596 01:09:54,980 --> 01:09:57,840 like this and be like, oh this is the clincher, right here. 1597 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,230 - I maybe about five or six years ago, 1598 01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:06,230 I just kind of had a craving to as closely 1599 01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:09,590 as we possibly could 1600 01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:12,620 from a long distance recreate the experience 1601 01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:15,550 of me sitting with you in the stereo room 1602 01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:19,150 and you playing songs for me, that meant a lot to you. 1603 01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:23,897 So I asked you to make me this mix tape of deep cuts 1604 01:10:24,768 --> 01:10:27,197 from different artists that you liked. 1605 01:10:27,197 --> 01:10:30,070 And not only did you do that for me, 1606 01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:35,070 you also included these handwritten notes about 1607 01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:38,513 what the songs mean to you. 1608 01:10:39,423 --> 01:10:41,220 - Some of them were obscure, 1609 01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:44,163 like the song "Jay" by Grace Slick. 1610 01:10:45,471 --> 01:10:48,183 I never hear that on the radio. 1611 01:10:48,183 --> 01:10:49,840 I don't know if I've ever heard that on the radio, 1612 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,577 but it was always special to us. 1613 01:10:51,577 --> 01:10:54,410 "Emperor of Wyoming", Neil Young, which I think 1614 01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:58,740 is just a brilliant instrumental piece. 1615 01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:03,410 Always evokes memories of a different time and place. 1616 01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:06,130 And I wanted Chris to hear things that kind 1617 01:11:06,130 --> 01:11:09,010 of moved his old man as a younger man. 1618 01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:12,850 - The most interesting and weird part of being a dad 1619 01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:15,460 is I started off with like my duty 1620 01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:18,390 to give my son a musical education, 1621 01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:20,660 and now he gives it right back to me, 1622 01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:23,730 which is weird, but great. 1623 01:11:23,730 --> 01:11:25,150 Remember the first mix I made you? 1624 01:11:25,150 --> 01:11:25,983 - Mm-hmm. 1625 01:11:25,983 --> 01:11:28,631 - Yeah, because it's right here in front of you. 1626 01:11:28,631 --> 01:11:29,790 Handy! 1627 01:11:29,790 --> 01:11:33,150 - I was in kindergarten when he gave that to me. 1628 01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:36,163 So that was pre-9/11. 1629 01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:42,570 So I was like five, like four. 1630 01:11:42,570 --> 01:11:45,220 It was right before Clay was born, my little brother. 1631 01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:49,760 So it's "Barracuda", "Better Living Through Chemistry", 1632 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,290 some Queens of the Stone Age, "Highway Star", 1633 01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:55,490 Deep Purple, "We Will Rock You", "We Are the Champions", 1634 01:11:55,490 --> 01:12:00,410 they like have to go together, you know "Lust for Life", 1635 01:12:00,410 --> 01:12:04,090 Iggy Pop, the best, then "Fox on the Run", "Killy Kill", 1636 01:12:04,090 --> 01:12:06,650 which is Rocket from the Crypt 1637 01:12:06,650 --> 01:12:09,230 like one of the weirdest bands. 1638 01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:13,447 Then there's side B, "Have a Drink on Me", "Crazy On You", 1639 01:12:13,447 --> 01:12:15,800 "I'll Stick Around", first Foo Fighters album, 1640 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,780 the best Foo Fighters album, "King of the Road", 1641 01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:22,560 which introduced me to my favorite band ever, Fu Manchu. 1642 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,440 - I did not know what kind of can of worms 1643 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,270 I was opening giving him Fu Manchu. 1644 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:27,103 Good God. 1645 01:12:27,103 --> 01:12:27,936 - The stoner rock. 1646 01:12:27,936 --> 01:12:30,531 - The one song that I remember listening to 1647 01:12:30,531 --> 01:12:35,531 and really being moved by was "Oh Well." 1648 01:12:35,942 --> 01:12:39,110 And I remember we had a conversation about that 1649 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:39,943 and you said, 1650 01:12:39,943 --> 01:12:43,710 this is the sound of Peter Green losing his mind. 1651 01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:45,810 And that is exactly what it is. 1652 01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:50,810 It's a song that recreates a psychotic break. 1653 01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:55,570 And every time I hear it, I hear your voice kind of 1654 01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:56,763 talking me through it. 1655 01:12:57,599 --> 01:13:00,250 And yeah it's an amazing song. 1656 01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:04,850 - I was pleased to hear HAIM do a version of it. 1657 01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:05,690 - Yeah. 1658 01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:08,490 - I love "Oh Well", I think it's an incredible song. 1659 01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:12,018 And I thought they rocked with it also. 1660 01:13:12,018 --> 01:13:12,851 - Wow. 1661 01:13:12,851 --> 01:13:14,363 But they leave the ambient part out, 1662 01:13:15,656 --> 01:13:16,913 the ambient part is the best part. 1663 01:13:16,913 --> 01:13:18,160 - Chris prefers the ambient part. 1664 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,293 - Yes. 1665 01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:21,560 - Which is a fine piece of music also. 1666 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,500 - Yeah, because I mean it's just charging 1667 01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,910 through this rocking blues riff, 1668 01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:29,310 and then all of a sudden it just turns into mist. 1669 01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:32,680 And that's the most powerful part of the song for me. 1670 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:33,830 - It's a great contrast. 1671 01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:38,373 The electric explosion, and then segue into that- 1672 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,420 - That somber instrumental. 1673 01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:42,253 Yeah. 1674 01:13:42,253 --> 01:13:44,910 - I mean, this mix tape just made me who I was. 1675 01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:48,480 I don't really care for curating playlists anymore. 1676 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,330 The last one I did is for my girlfriend, 1677 01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:54,313 that's pretty much a version two of this thing. 1678 01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:58,470 I don't think I've shown you before, but it's pretty rad. 1679 01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:59,303 I should give it to you. 1680 01:13:59,303 --> 01:14:00,350 - Well, I mean, you don't have to share 1681 01:14:00,350 --> 01:14:02,040 the mix tape you gave to your girlfriend with me. 1682 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,532 - I mean, it's a good mix tape though! 1683 01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:06,592 (both laugh) 1684 01:14:06,592 --> 01:14:11,592 - I remember really looking forward to those moments 1685 01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:16,223 where we could be in the room together, 1686 01:14:16,223 --> 01:14:20,640 listening to music me asking you to put on certain songs, 1687 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,053 you putting on certain songs that meant a lot to you, 1688 01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:26,893 that now mean a lot to me. 1689 01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:31,060 But yeah, I mean, sharing music with you 1690 01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:37,430 is by far the most cherished memory that I have. 1691 01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:40,420 - My little bro Keenan, who is married to Leslie, 1692 01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:42,680 drummer of The Red Aunts, Leslie Ishino, 1693 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,640 he now makes crazy bizarre old comic books. 1694 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,500 He's got this one called "THE HUMANS", 1695 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,260 about an ape biker gang, and he made a mix tape for it. 1696 01:14:52,260 --> 01:14:54,660 He invited a bunch of bands to do stuff just inspired 1697 01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:57,850 by the comic, and each issue 1698 01:14:57,850 --> 01:15:01,440 at the back had a link to download the songs. 1699 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,550 And then they put it out hardform on cassette. 1700 01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:06,527 Smelly Tongues is one of Lesley's other bands. 1701 01:15:06,527 --> 01:15:09,490 She is a prolific musician whose played 1702 01:15:09,490 --> 01:15:13,020 in other bands like Alaska and now Red Aunts. 1703 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:14,770 So Smelly Tongues is one of hers. 1704 01:15:14,770 --> 01:15:16,250 They still crank stuff out on cassette, 1705 01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:18,733 which is awesomely retro and weird. 1706 01:15:19,627 --> 01:15:21,420 But yeah, it's always been a family thing. 1707 01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:23,470 - When you open the box, you're like wow. 1708 01:15:24,608 --> 01:15:26,890 It's really fun to remember, 1709 01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:31,890 to reminisce about those times and what they meant, 1710 01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:35,182 and what you felt when you made them, 1711 01:15:35,182 --> 01:15:39,043 or when you were given them and when you listened to them. 1712 01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:42,250 I mean, that's what it's all about. 1713 01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:44,620 It's about inspiring emotion. 1714 01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:49,230 It's about making somebody feel. 1715 01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:51,050 - I previewed some of them this morning, 1716 01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:54,370 and it just takes me back to that spot of being 14 1717 01:15:54,370 --> 01:15:57,460 and awkward and having fun with this friend, 1718 01:15:57,460 --> 01:16:00,220 being careless, listening to mix tapes 1719 01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:01,730 and not having a care in the world. 1720 01:16:01,730 --> 01:16:03,560 - My cousin just sent me shout out, thank you, 1721 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,777 Danny sent me all of these old tapes that he and I made. 1722 01:16:06,777 --> 01:16:10,667 And it brought me to a time that, you know, 1723 01:16:10,667 --> 01:16:13,970 we were just like, we were just some country-ass kids 1724 01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:17,363 in a fuckin' town outside of Detroit, like, with nothing. 1725 01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:22,410 And it's like 20 years later, 1726 01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:26,750 and I don't see half those kids anymore 1727 01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:28,153 and I'm out here in LA. 1728 01:16:29,725 --> 01:16:31,663 And like, it's like, damn, 1729 01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:36,370 came a long way from government housing. 1730 01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:37,769 - I'm not a sentimental person. 1731 01:16:37,769 --> 01:16:38,602 I don't want to be young, 1732 01:16:38,602 --> 01:16:41,059 I don't want to live in the past, but it's so great 1733 01:16:41,059 --> 01:16:44,480 to be able to put on a 30-year-old cassette 1734 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:45,630 and have it work. 1735 01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:48,280 You put on a certain song, you go back to that last year 1736 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,200 in high school, all the sudden you are there. 1737 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,690 You start sweating, your breath dries up. 1738 01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:54,523 You put on the song 1739 01:16:54,523 --> 01:16:58,030 that you remember a certain relationship you had from, 1740 01:16:58,030 --> 01:17:00,410 and all the sudden you get moisture around the eyes. 1741 01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:04,210 It's nice to take that trip now and then. 1742 01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,650 - A movie is an hour and a half, 1743 01:17:05,650 --> 01:17:09,680 a short is 15 minutes, but a song can be two minutes 1744 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,513 or five minutes, 1745 01:17:10,513 --> 01:17:11,980 but it's still these little 1746 01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:15,870 compact hyper-dense emotional moments. 1747 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,470 That moment that you have when you hear a song 1748 01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:19,930 and it makes you fuckin', your skin suddenly feels 1749 01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:21,310 like the place you were at when you, 1750 01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:22,630 that's a fucking physical reaction. 1751 01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:24,170 That's actually happening. 1752 01:17:24,170 --> 01:17:25,403 That's not magic. 1753 01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,090 - I think there's a good argument that there's 1754 01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:32,800 nothing more iconic musically 1755 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,150 that crosses more sort of genres and cultures 1756 01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:37,240 or whatever than mix tapes. 1757 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,630 - [Robert] How did she react to it? 1758 01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:41,020 - She thought it was really cool. 1759 01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:43,020 She was like, what are all these bands? 1760 01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,500 I don't know anything. 1761 01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:46,987 She was a total like Black Sabbath 1762 01:17:46,987 --> 01:17:49,630 and Rob Zombie kinda girl. 1763 01:17:49,630 --> 01:17:53,870 And she didn't know half of these tracks. 1764 01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:57,053 And I'm like, how do you think you know what music is? 1765 01:17:58,530 --> 01:17:59,730 - You don't know "Nebula?" 1766 01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:00,563 You don't know nothing! 1767 01:18:00,563 --> 01:18:02,249 - Seriously. 1768 01:18:02,249 --> 01:18:05,466 (all laughing) 1769 01:18:05,466 --> 01:18:07,540 - [Man] This is peasant music. 1770 01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:10,370 - That's why I don't go outside and meet people anymore. 1771 01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:11,409 They're lesser. 1772 01:18:11,409 --> 01:18:14,262 (laughing) 1773 01:18:14,262 --> 01:18:16,070 - Oh, I've made a monster. 1774 01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:16,903 Jesus Christ. 1775 01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:20,530 - Okay, so, 1776 01:18:20,530 --> 01:18:23,310 all day the guys have been actually 1777 01:18:23,310 --> 01:18:25,973 helping me make a tape for you. 1778 01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:29,240 Wait, you've been what have you been doing all day? 1779 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,540 - I've been making a mix tape for you. 1780 01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:32,380 - Okay. 1781 01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:33,572 - So here it is. 1782 01:18:33,572 --> 01:18:34,405 - Aw. 1783 01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:36,103 It's gold. 1784 01:18:36,103 --> 01:18:37,220 - It's gold. 1785 01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:41,523 So, we have all the songs that are on the mix tape. 1786 01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:45,330 Then we just like went through each song 1787 01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:49,060 and decided what would go where. 1788 01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:51,169 So we just like numbered each. 1789 01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:54,000 We knew at the very beginning 1790 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,420 that the two Beatles songs were gonna be 1791 01:18:56,420 --> 01:18:58,040 at the end of each side. 1792 01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,580 - Oh, I like that. 1793 01:18:59,580 --> 01:19:00,413 It's thematic. 1794 01:19:00,413 --> 01:19:03,320 - So that was already set in place, 1795 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,340 and we kind of just worked 1796 01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:08,461 around that, to figure out what came when. 1797 01:19:08,461 --> 01:19:11,197 - Is there like a loud-quiet-loud thing, or just a- 1798 01:19:11,197 --> 01:19:12,364 - It was just, 1799 01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:14,747 I mean, I guess. - Kinda. 1800 01:19:15,610 --> 01:19:16,770 - Kinda? 1801 01:19:16,770 --> 01:19:18,320 All right, let's take a listen. 1802 01:19:26,472 --> 01:19:30,192 (upbeat rock music) 1803 01:19:30,192 --> 01:19:31,859 - That's a good one. 1804 01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:50,687 (vocalizing) 1805 01:19:52,448 --> 01:19:54,661 - [Man] It sounds decent on this. 1806 01:19:54,661 --> 01:19:57,826 It's good. 1807 01:19:57,826 --> 01:19:58,659 - Dad. 1808 01:19:58,659 --> 01:19:59,492 - Sorry. 1809 01:20:11,032 --> 01:20:12,493 ♪ Something ♪ 1810 01:20:12,493 --> 01:20:13,981 It's a good song. 1811 01:20:13,981 --> 01:20:14,814 Really good. 1812 01:20:14,814 --> 01:20:18,981 ♪ Filled up my heart with nothing ♪ 1813 01:20:25,138 --> 01:20:28,888 ♪ Someone told me not to cry ♪ 1814 01:20:35,755 --> 01:20:37,791 Do you remember playing this song? 1815 01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:38,721 - Playing it? 1816 01:20:38,721 --> 01:20:39,941 Yes. 1817 01:20:39,941 --> 01:20:43,130 - At the talent show. - Yeah. 1818 01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:45,525 Our family learned this song 1819 01:20:45,525 --> 01:20:49,083 and we played it at a school talent show when I was like- 1820 01:20:49,083 --> 01:20:50,093 - Seven. - Yeah. 1821 01:20:51,740 --> 01:20:53,134 August, what did August? 1822 01:20:53,134 --> 01:20:55,310 - He played guitar. - And you played drums. 1823 01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:56,448 - And I sang. 1824 01:20:56,448 --> 01:20:57,580 - Uncle Justin played bass. 1825 01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:59,163 - Yeah. - That was good. 1826 01:21:02,881 --> 01:21:03,760 - Yeah. 1827 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:08,760 (upbeat rock music) (vocalizing) 1828 01:21:18,633 --> 01:21:21,120 - A mix tape is 1829 01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:25,193 how you get laid. 1830 01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:28,110 Right? 1831 01:21:28,110 --> 01:21:29,423 That's the correct answer? 1832 01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:32,413 - Yeah, kinda. 1833 01:21:33,483 --> 01:21:38,483 ♪ Hold your mistake up ♪ 1834 01:21:39,994 --> 01:21:41,340 ♪ Before they ♪ 1835 01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:44,830 - I wonder if people will ever get nostalgic about CDs, 1836 01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:49,090 and make a documentary about mix-CDs, CD-R mixes, 1837 01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:50,180 stuff like that. 1838 01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:51,520 Is that the sequel? 1839 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,570 That's the sequel to this. 1840 01:21:52,570 --> 01:21:53,720 Maybe. - Let's finish this one first. 1841 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,203 - You're not feeling it so much. 1842 01:21:55,203 --> 01:21:57,729 - Digital Love? - Yeah, Digital Love? 1843 01:21:57,729 --> 01:21:58,562 Yeah, you never know. 1844 01:21:58,562 --> 01:21:59,969 - [Man] Give it another decade. 1845 01:21:59,969 --> 01:22:02,440 (upbeat rock music) 1846 01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:03,400 - I used to go to museums 1847 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,500 and listen to mixes all the time, 1848 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:06,850 and I loved walking and listening to mixes in New York. 1849 01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:08,840 - Walking in New York. 1850 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,020 - Walking in New York and listening 1851 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:12,570 to your putting your headphones in and walking super fast. 1852 01:22:12,570 --> 01:22:13,410 - So, you put headphones in. 1853 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:15,311 I had a little cassette. 1854 01:22:15,311 --> 01:22:16,650 - What, you'd walk like this? 1855 01:22:16,650 --> 01:22:18,370 - I was like a guy from the '60s, 1856 01:22:18,370 --> 01:22:21,403 but with industrial music on, walking around. 1857 01:22:21,403 --> 01:22:22,670 - What a dork. 1858 01:22:22,670 --> 01:22:24,930 - A lot of it is just me. 1859 01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:25,993 Rollins Band. 1860 01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:30,243 Just when you go live, 1861 01:22:33,688 --> 01:22:36,283 there's just tons of examples of, 1862 01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:41,530 we would tape every night. 1863 01:22:42,510 --> 01:22:45,240 And so you do that for enough decades 1864 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:50,240 and you end up being the steward of, it's heavy stuff too. 1865 01:22:53,052 --> 01:22:56,140 The analog media is literally heavy. 1866 01:22:56,140 --> 01:22:59,040 In the Black Flag days, I'd have all these cassettes. 1867 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,803 I'd have to find someone I knew who I could trust and go, 1868 01:23:01,803 --> 01:23:04,830 can I put your stuff, my stuff in your mom's guest room 1869 01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:06,560 for like a year? 1870 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,451 These would live in boxes in milk crates 1871 01:23:09,451 --> 01:23:11,570 for like 12 months at a time. 1872 01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:12,700 A smaller version. 1873 01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:15,010 The Black Flag era collection, 1874 01:23:15,010 --> 01:23:16,960 which would be the Birthday party stuff. 1875 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,220 About half. 1876 01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:20,330 But it would live in boxes 1877 01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:23,890 at my one normal friend's mom's place, 1878 01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:26,380 and between tours I would go over to her place and go, 1879 01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:28,420 hi, I'm your son's friend. 1880 01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:29,910 Can I go in that room? 1881 01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:31,323 She's like, "Yeah. 1882 01:23:31,323 --> 01:23:32,156 Weirdo." 1883 01:23:32,156 --> 01:23:35,656 (upbeat electronic music) 136652

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