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- Yeah, you're right.
- Oh, move the camera?
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Yeah,
move the camera, just a little bit.
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- So, you want me to...
- Yeah.
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Okay, I, I wrote a fable once,
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that started that there
was a mighty king
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that took over, uh, a culture,
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and this king used
torture and fear
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to create obedience.
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And over time,
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people found that if they
just obeyed what the king said,
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there was peace across the land.
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But what they sacrificed
for that was their traditions,
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their customs,
and all of their identity.
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So they just became a group of slaves,
almost like cattle,
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that were used by the king.
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The threat of violence was
enough to keep social order.
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But if the king went
and killed everyone,
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then he would have
to do all the work.
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So,
the people who are being victimized
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have a certain power.
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And they can stand
against the king.
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And even though the king has all
sorts of weapons that they don't have,
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and all sorts of violence
that they don't have,
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ultimately,
they would likely prevail.
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Frank.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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AS OF, UH, RIGHT NOW,
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OUR BELOVED VANGUARD
WAS IN MONTERREY.
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AND I HAVE A PICTURE COMING
WITH CONFIRMATION, SO WAIT FOR IT.
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He's on the run.
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Show us the
picture. Can you hold it up?
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Uh, yeah.
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SO, THE PICTURE.
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THAT'S KEITH
RANIERE RIGHT THERE.
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AND THAT WAS TODAY,
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IN MEXICO.
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Then I'd like to call the FBI
and the police and tell them,
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"This is what we've
heard's happening.
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"So,
if you guys are serious about any of this,
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"you're about to lose your shot,
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BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS
OF LOYAL ESP-IANS IN MEXICO."
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THE CHILDREN OF VERY
INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES
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ARE RUNNING THE
CENTER DOWN THERE.
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YOU KNOW, LIKE,
EMILIANO SALINAS.
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HE IS THE SON OF ONE
OF THE EX-PRESIDENTS.
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HE'S SORT OF LIKE
THE JFK JR. OF MEXICO.
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AND SO KEITH HAD A LOT
OF POLITICAL CLOUT THERE.
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Greg?
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Hi, little pup. Aw!
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I mean, he's got a lot
of power around him down there.
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And they've moved
all their classes to Mexico?
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So, we're in a tricky spot,
because
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law enforcement has said, "Stop.
Don't do any more shit." And we're like...
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It's a, it's a waiting game.
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So didn't
he have houses and offices
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and stuff like that in,
um, Albany?
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Yeah. All in
other people's names.
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- Yeah.
- Many of them are...
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The houses are quiet
and shuttered now.
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So, all of that got disrupted.
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- Yeah.
- There's still some diehards there.
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Like India? Is she one
of the diehards that are over there?
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- Yeah.
- She's here. I'm seeing her this afternoon.
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But she's not
here recruiting people.
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We don't know.
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She's meeting with me
today at three o'clock.
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Well, and, and right now,
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she's got such blinders on that,
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she's not questioning
anything except for you.
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Correct. Shit.
What do I do if she's going...
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If she goes to Mexico?
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You just continually...
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It's the same way. It's kind
of like a reverse brainwash.
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You just continually play
the message over to her,
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till one day maybe she hears it.
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And the message is?
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Well,
tell her to stop doing weird shit.
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Okay.
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You know?
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- "Stop doing..."
- Yeah. If you're doing weird shit,
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people want to hear about it.
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Well, you ask questions that
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she would have
to think about now.
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Why is he in Mexico?
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Why are the houses shuttered?
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- Yeah.
- Why is the FBI investigating him?
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Doesn't it seem a little
odd that a guy who's
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on the up-and-up and
doing good business
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and helping people
and doing the right thing
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has to move to Mexico?
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So, 2000 and...
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I think nine, was when...
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a number of the Mexicans
spoke to him at V Week
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and said, you know,
"We are under enormous,
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"uh, fear in our country.
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"You know,
we're being kidnapped,
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Kidnapping is a business. You know,
we don't know what to do."
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AND KEITH SAID,
"I CAN SOLVE THIS."
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Keith called all the Mexicans
together and sat and spoke to them,
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and I recorded all
those conversations.
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Good to see you.
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Yes!
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It's interesting,
because when I was express kidnapped,
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I asked a lot of questions,
and I had a conversation with these guys.
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Uh, and for them at least,
my impression was,
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that they go into their business,
like,
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like they tell their wives,
you know, "I'm going to work."
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NXIVM MEXICO, I MEAN,
IT JUST, IT BASICALLY SEEMED LIKE
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THEY LIVED IN SOME
KIND OF RAREFIED AIR.
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A LOT OF MONEY.
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And even in the
mission statement,
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it talks about reaching the most
influential, powerful, you know,
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wealthiest people, blah,
blah, in the world because...
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if you go and try and
give this education
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to the people that
have zero influence,
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the lowest laborers,
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they have no influence
over society at all.
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The only sustainable
way to change a society
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is the wealthiest,
most powerful people
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needed this education.
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And that would trickle
down to everything else.
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I think part of the problem here
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is that you guys are numb
to your own condition.
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Class neutrality is one of the
biggest problems in Mexico.
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It's one of the things that's
generating a lot of fear, if you will.
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The entitlement of the
poor to take from the rich,
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and the fear of the
poor that they're,
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they're nothing. Oblivion.
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And the fear of the rich that they've
gotten their riches for no reason
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and really,
they don't deserve them, either.
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I want you to
imagine a $10 bill.
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Do you know what
that $10 bill means?
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Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what, a day?
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They're willing to go and sweat,
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and spend a whole day,
just to get that little piece of paper.
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You hold the life of a
whole family in your hand
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when you hold that $10 bill.
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And you go out and
spend that $10 bill on what?
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Drinks at a bar?
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That's what I
think of your family.
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That's what I think
of your efforts.
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That's what I think of a
whole day of your work.
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I just piss it off.
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I piss on your family.
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So why am I saying all of this?
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'Cause you have to
understand the nature of it,
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and you have to understand
the nature of what you do.
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And do the wealthy people
have to change? Yeah.
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You have to respect
the wealth that you have,
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and what it
represents in the world.
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KEITH SAID TO ME,
"YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE COOL
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IF YOU COULD CONTINUE
DOCUMENTING THIS." I SAID, "I'D LOVE TO."
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So I followed them
down to Mexico to see
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what would they do with these,
this information in these meetings.
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This thing will not work
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if you do not resolve
your class struggle.
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You have to be visible,
day after day,
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location after location,
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on the radio, in the news.
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Yes, I am.
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Although I don't know
how to implement this.
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I, I don't know how to
organize people like that.
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Well, start small.
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IN LAK'ECH translates
to "you are my other me."
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So there's two aspects.
There's the economic aspect,
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which is the creation of affluence,
so to speak.
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AND THEN THE OTHER HAND IS
PEACEFUL DRILLS AND TOOLS OF PEACE.
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EVERY SUNDAY AT 3:00 P.M.,
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3,000 TO 5,000
PEOPLE WOULD STAND
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all over Mexico and basically say
this particular pledge that he had written.
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ALL VIOLENCE
IS A MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
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All violence traces back to a,
a fear.
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So what is the
nature of compassion?
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To get to the root
of the violence,
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to transform the violence.
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I DECIDED TO MAKE A
FILM ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.
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I named it "Encender
El Corazón."
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"IGNITE THE HEART."
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I WAS LIKE, I'M GONNA FUCKING
MAKE THIS FILM A WAKEUP CALL.
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AND SO I FOUND GREAT
STORIES. AND GREAT PEOPLE.
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I MET TONI ZARATTINI IN ESP,
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PROBABLY IN 2005.
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AND TONI WAS KIDNAPPED,
UM, MANY YEARS BEFORE.
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And for ransom from his family,
they cut off his ears,
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and they cut off
one of his fingers.
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TONI AND I HAD KNOWN
EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME,
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AND I CONSIDERED HIM A HERO.
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He tried to escape
once from his kidnappers.
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They beat the shit out of him,
put him back in,
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and eventually he tried again,
and, and got away.
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TONI'S A GREAT MAN.
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HE WAS A COACH IN NXIVM,
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until he discovered that one of his
dear friends was involved in DOS,
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and had been branded,
and he was horrified.
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AND SO HIS BATTLE WITH THE ENTIRE
MEXICAN ESP COMMUNITY BEGAN.
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One of the reasons I got out
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is when I learned that
Mark had gotten out.
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It was like, "What? He got out?
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"Mark Vicente got out?
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"He's like,
like what? How? He's a Green.
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"He's on the board.
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What do you... What...
What do you mean he's out?"
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And they said, "No, well,
he wanted to go make movies."
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Didn't make any sense.
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This is my friend.
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HOLA.
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Um, do you have any updates?
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I hope so, Toni,
because if it doesn't,
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they're gonna hunt us forever.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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THERE'S BEEN A
CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY
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BECAUSE OF, LIKE,
LAW ENFORCEMENT GETTING MORE INVOLVED.
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AND I DON'T KNOW IF
THEY HAVE A CASE OR NOT.
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EVERYTHING WE DID BEFORE WAS,
WE NEED TO GET THIS EXPOSED.
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WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT THERE.
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WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
CONTROL OVER WHAT WE WERE DOING.
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AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S
LESS IN OUR HANDS NOW.
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When I first saw her, like, oh,
my God. I love this child so much.
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Just being able to, like,
kiss her and hug her.
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And...
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I feel so many mixed emotions,
I can't tell you.
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On one hand,
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I did... I planted
a lot of stuff,
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but I swear to God,
I felt like I was planting seeds...
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in...
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granite.
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Well,
there's no getting through to her
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that what she's doing
is super fucked up.
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And I did say what Greg said. Like,
I said, you know,
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"This is very weird." She said,
"So what if it's weird?"
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I mean,
what do you say to somebody?
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I'm like, "Well,
the world thinks it's weird."
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And I said, "Not okay weird.
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Like fuck... Like,
creepy weird."
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But it doesn't seem
to be a problem for her.
239
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And I can just see how, um,
240
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like,
how her morality has been bent.
241
00:16:00,123 --> 00:16:03,081
So I was saying, "Well,
what if people are going to jail?
242
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And what if people
have broken the law?"
243
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And she said, "Well,
I don't think that I've done anything,
244
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personally, to break the law."
245
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I said, "I believe that you would
never break the law knowingly."
246
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I said, "But what if you were guided
to break the law by people who knew?
247
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Why do you think Keith fled?"
248
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"Well..." Her response is, "'Cause there's
a lot of people who don't like him."
249
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And I'm like, "Well,
why do you think they don't like him?"
250
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And...
251
00:16:31,247 --> 00:16:33,706
again,
she couldn't really come up...
252
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She couldn't come
up with an answer.
253
00:16:39,831 --> 00:16:43,873
She really thinks that Mark
and Bonnie are the masterminds
254
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of this whole operation,
255
00:16:45,664 --> 00:16:47,539
and that I'm being used
by Mark and Bonnie.
256
00:16:47,622 --> 00:16:50,998
Uh, Sarah and Nippy are being used,
like, everybody's being used.
257
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If there's hope...
258
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it's not in any of the words
that were communicated.
259
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It's in... it's in here.
260
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You know?
261
00:17:16,956 --> 00:17:20,039
What we're up against
is such darkness.
262
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Such incredible darkness.
263
00:17:46,622 --> 00:17:48,081
I don't have any
evidence at all,
264
00:17:48,164 --> 00:17:49,515
but I feel like we're
gonna get her back.
265
00:17:49,539 --> 00:17:52,497
But I don't have
any evidence at all.
266
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TO PREPARE FOR LANDING,
267
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PLEASE CLOSE YOUR TRAY TABLE,
AND PUT AWAY CARRY-ON ITEMS.
268
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PLACE YOUR SEAT
IN THE ORIGINAL...
269
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WHEN MARK AND I LEFT,
WE PUT EVERYTHING IN STORAGE.
270
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ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO DISCARD...
271
00:18:38,581 --> 00:18:40,706
IT'S YEARS AND
YEARS OF OUR LIVES.
272
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:42,664
WE'LL BE LANDING SOON.
273
00:18:57,956 --> 00:18:59,414
NOW THAT KEITH'S GONE,
274
00:18:59,497 --> 00:19:01,622
WE FINALLY FEEL OKAY TO GO BACK.
275
00:19:03,831 --> 00:19:05,914
I can see why we like LA.
276
00:19:05,998 --> 00:19:09,039
This is, like, gray and dead.
277
00:19:09,123 --> 00:19:11,123
- Disgusting.
- Yeah.
278
00:19:13,164 --> 00:19:15,081
But being back
here just reminds me
279
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of the heartache of, like,
how much we've lost, you know?
280
00:19:17,455 --> 00:19:20,497
We have lost a lot of friends.
281
00:19:33,664 --> 00:19:36,247
You
want to go first or you want me?
282
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:42,414
It's a puppy.
283
00:19:42,497 --> 00:19:44,123
It's a puppy.
284
00:19:44,205 --> 00:19:46,330
- It's a puppy. It's a puppy.
- Hi.
285
00:19:46,831 --> 00:19:48,664
Hi.
286
00:19:48,747 --> 00:19:50,998
- Hi, puppy.
- Oh, you're so... Are you cold?
287
00:19:51,081 --> 00:19:53,140
- Come in here.
- Oh, no, I'm all right. I actually kind of like it.
288
00:19:53,164 --> 00:19:54,247
- Hi! - Hi.
289
00:19:54,330 --> 00:19:57,205
How's it going?
290
00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:59,831
Something I never thought
I'd see standing in my doorway.
291
00:19:59,914 --> 00:20:01,140
- Really?
- Yeah.
292
00:20:01,164 --> 00:20:02,706
Yeah. You.
293
00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,455
Where do you wanna sit? Actually,
I'll sit here, boo.
294
00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,956
- Yeah. Okay.
- And you sit here.
295
00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:12,239
Toni, thank you so much for
opening up your house to us.
296
00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:14,998
Oh, and, listen,
thank you so much for opening your eyes.
297
00:20:15,081 --> 00:20:17,348
- It took a while.
- Like, that's just...
298
00:20:17,372 --> 00:20:19,581
- It took a while.
- Hey, I don't care
299
00:20:19,664 --> 00:20:21,247
when anyone wakes up,
300
00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:24,372
how they wake up,
as long as they wake up.
301
00:20:26,372 --> 00:20:28,181
- Is that right? How did that work?
- Well...
302
00:20:28,205 --> 00:20:30,181
- I don't... Let me think.
- I never felt like enemies.
303
00:20:30,205 --> 00:20:32,486
- I never felt...
- I felt like you were enemies.
304
00:20:32,539 --> 00:20:34,205
- - No, I, I understand,
305
00:20:34,289 --> 00:20:36,140
- and you should have, absolutely.
- I'm sorry.
306
00:20:36,164 --> 00:20:37,622
- Yeah.
- No, no. You should have.
307
00:20:37,706 --> 00:20:39,831
Not anymore! - Natalie: Right.
308
00:20:39,914 --> 00:20:41,164
It's good.
309
00:20:41,247 --> 00:20:43,497
It had to be very
difficult for him
310
00:20:43,581 --> 00:20:47,372
to not be able to split you
guys up. So how hard did he try?
311
00:20:47,455 --> 00:20:49,807
- Pretty trying. Pretty hard after I left, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah. Right?
312
00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:52,164
Yeah. To me, you...
313
00:20:52,247 --> 00:20:54,873
You both leaving was a big deal.
314
00:20:54,956 --> 00:20:58,831
Because someone
that close to him leaving,
315
00:20:58,914 --> 00:21:01,081
is a crack in his plate.
316
00:21:02,914 --> 00:21:05,039
When he loses that control,
317
00:21:05,123 --> 00:21:06,873
he loses his mind.
318
00:21:08,831 --> 00:21:10,706
I have something for you.
319
00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:17,330
I'm looking for the letter
that I sent to Mark in 2010.
320
00:21:17,414 --> 00:21:19,455
- 2010? - Mm-hmm.
321
00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,497
Right when I came in.
322
00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:22,998
Wow.
323
00:21:23,081 --> 00:21:25,372
But I,
I never received it back then.
324
00:21:25,455 --> 00:21:26,747
So that was like
eight years ago.
325
00:21:26,831 --> 00:21:28,372
Mm-hmm.
326
00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:30,539
- Is that the one?
- Yeah, yeah. That's it.
327
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,873
Um,
it was in response to a TED Talk
328
00:21:33,956 --> 00:21:35,747
that Mark did.
329
00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:37,664
MY NAME IS MARK VICENTE.
330
00:21:37,747 --> 00:21:40,873
I'M A FILMMAKER FROM THE
APARTHEID ERA SOUTH AFRICA.
331
00:21:40,956 --> 00:21:43,247
I HAVE AS MY MENTOR
AN AMERICAN SCIENTIST
332
00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:45,956
AND PHILOSOPHER BY THE
NAME OF KEITH RANIERE.
333
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:48,539
HE ASKED ME A QUESTION,
334
00:21:48,622 --> 00:21:50,330
AND THE QUESTION
HE ASKED ME WAS,
335
00:21:50,414 --> 00:21:52,664
"WHAT IS BRAVERY?"
336
00:21:52,747 --> 00:21:53,998
WHAT IS IT?
337
00:21:56,873 --> 00:21:58,539
Nobody's ever seen this letter.
338
00:21:58,622 --> 00:22:01,873
No. No. I just sent it to you.
339
00:22:01,956 --> 00:22:03,330
It says, "Mark,
340
00:22:03,414 --> 00:22:05,164
"I think it's very
important that you temper
341
00:22:05,247 --> 00:22:08,455
"how much of your good deeds
you attribute to Keith Raniere.
342
00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:12,581
"By attributing your goodness to Raniere,
you give him credit.
343
00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,247
"And worse yet, credibility,
where none is due.
344
00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:18,247
"Just look at how he cons people
345
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:20,099
"into believing that they
are doing good deeds,
346
00:22:20,123 --> 00:22:22,998
"when in fact,
all they're doing is helping to make
347
00:22:23,081 --> 00:22:25,330
"his sordid lifestyle possible.
348
00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:27,956
"If only you and others
would be brave enough
349
00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:29,914
"to truly look at his
past and his present,
350
00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:32,747
"and objectively,
you would see that you've been conned.
351
00:22:32,831 --> 00:22:36,123
"Keith destroys people's
lives and will continue to do so
352
00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:39,039
"until people like
yourself are brave enough
353
00:22:39,123 --> 00:22:40,789
"to really look at what he does.
354
00:22:40,873 --> 00:22:42,581
"And if you choose not to,
355
00:22:42,664 --> 00:22:44,831
then you must ask yourself why."
356
00:22:47,247 --> 00:22:48,455
You did, though.
357
00:22:48,539 --> 00:22:50,789
- Mm-hmm. Finally.
- You did wake up.
358
00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:51,873
Yeah, but you know what?
359
00:22:51,956 --> 00:22:53,348
- It doesn't matter.
- Seven years later.
360
00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,205
It doesn't matter,
Mark. It's that you woke up.
361
00:22:56,289 --> 00:22:58,039
Yeah, I wish I got it.
362
00:22:58,123 --> 00:22:59,330
You weren't ready.
363
00:22:59,414 --> 00:23:00,706
I wasn't ready.
364
00:23:24,081 --> 00:23:25,706
Fuckin' hell.
365
00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:27,914
Aah.
366
00:23:39,164 --> 00:23:41,706
This,
this is our old house right here.
367
00:23:42,581 --> 00:23:44,539
On top of the garage,
to the right,
368
00:23:44,622 --> 00:23:46,974
- the receivers and transmitters.
- See, they're watching us.
369
00:23:46,998 --> 00:23:49,099
- There's probably a camera there, as well.
- They're watching us.
370
00:23:49,123 --> 00:23:51,205
They're probably watching us,
yeah.
371
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:52,706
They have, like,
372
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:55,289
cameras all around at
the ESP-ians' houses.
373
00:23:55,372 --> 00:23:57,747
So they're monitoring.
Someone's monitoring.
374
00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:01,581
Keith could be looking
at that in Mexico.
375
00:24:03,247 --> 00:24:04,873
Puts us in a
little bit of danger.
376
00:24:04,956 --> 00:24:06,622
If they have
papers ready for us,
377
00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:09,747
and they've been trying to find us,
they could come and serve us.
378
00:24:09,831 --> 00:24:11,831
'Cause we've been in hiding.
379
00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:18,789
This is dark right here.
380
00:24:23,998 --> 00:24:26,664
KEITH WAS TRYING TO
SEE HOW SUBMISSIVE I'D BE.
381
00:24:26,747 --> 00:24:29,706
AND HE'D CALL ME FOR WALKS AT LIKE,
3:00 A.M.
382
00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:32,164
AND I JUST JUMPED RIGHT
OUT OF BED AND WENT,
383
00:24:32,247 --> 00:24:34,664
LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS AN HONOR.
384
00:25:26,831 --> 00:25:28,164
OKAY.
385
00:26:29,831 --> 00:26:31,711
AT ONE POINT IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
386
00:26:31,747 --> 00:26:32,998
I WAS WALKING WITH HIM,
387
00:26:33,081 --> 00:26:36,164
AND HE WAS DOING
LITTLE TESTS WITH ME.
388
00:26:36,247 --> 00:26:40,789
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"WHY DON'T YOU RUN TOWARDS THAT TREE?
389
00:26:40,873 --> 00:26:43,164
SO I STARTED... I RAN TOWARDS
THE TREE AND I STOPPED.
390
00:26:43,247 --> 00:26:45,123
I DIDN'T MASH MY FACE UP.
391
00:26:45,205 --> 00:26:50,039
AND I CAME BACK AND HE SAID, "INTERESTING
HOW PROTECTIVE OF YOUR BODY YOU ARE."
392
00:26:52,205 --> 00:26:53,998
AND I FELT ASHAMED.
393
00:26:54,081 --> 00:26:56,664
BUT I SAW THAT AS A LIMITATION.
394
00:26:56,747 --> 00:27:00,123
AND THEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
"YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT.
395
00:27:00,205 --> 00:27:04,164
GO AND LICK THAT PUDDLE. YOU'RE SO
UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT. LICK THE PUDDLE."
396
00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:06,123
SO I WENT AND LICKED THE PUDDLE.
397
00:27:07,123 --> 00:27:09,497
I WAS TRYING TO LET DOWN MY,
MY GUARDS,
398
00:27:09,581 --> 00:27:11,497
AND ALL MY FEARS, AND, YOU KNOW,
399
00:27:11,581 --> 00:27:14,330
TO OPEN MYSELF
UP TO HIS TEACHING.
400
00:27:15,247 --> 00:27:18,164
I THINK I FAILED
WHATEVER HIS TESTS WERE.
401
00:27:25,873 --> 00:27:28,455
OKAY, LET'S, LET'S JUST DO A...
402
00:27:28,539 --> 00:27:30,539
START IT. LET'S SEE, HERE.
403
00:27:30,622 --> 00:27:32,622
- - Sorry. Could you just...
404
00:27:32,706 --> 00:27:35,289
I'm a little punchy, that's all.
405
00:27:35,372 --> 00:27:38,247
Don't mind me.
406
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,622
This is history of the movement,
right?
407
00:27:49,998 --> 00:27:51,539
Who cares?
408
00:27:57,998 --> 00:27:59,706
Boring?
409
00:27:59,789 --> 00:28:03,164
Not boring,
but not of the emotional tenor you need.
410
00:28:03,247 --> 00:28:05,223
THE REASON
WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD IS...
411
00:28:05,247 --> 00:28:08,873
The thing that I say about
Mexico being an optimal time,
412
00:28:08,956 --> 00:28:11,414
maybe that's something.
413
00:28:11,497 --> 00:28:15,706
This is very documentary,
intellectual...
414
00:28:15,789 --> 00:28:17,123
In this situation,
415
00:28:17,205 --> 00:28:21,789
I see there are four basic
philosophies for which...
416
00:28:21,873 --> 00:28:24,289
Great. I don't give a shit.
417
00:28:24,372 --> 00:28:25,998
I don't even know
the word philosophy.
418
00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:28,123
I'm a typical person
watching this.
419
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,330
I mean,
I... Nothing against being myself.
420
00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:37,497
Now, to,
to put this on pause a second.
421
00:28:38,747 --> 00:28:40,330
So again,
I have to keep in mind,
422
00:28:40,414 --> 00:28:42,706
who's the typical
person that's seeing this?
423
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:45,873
If you go to all of the wealthy,
educated people
424
00:28:45,956 --> 00:28:47,706
and they all see this film,
and whatever,
425
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:49,372
you're not gonna change Mexico.
426
00:28:49,455 --> 00:28:50,956
It's not gonna work.
427
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,414
I don't... Do you... I don't
think I need to see much more.
428
00:28:53,497 --> 00:28:56,581
I think you need to
rethink this. It's essential.
429
00:28:56,664 --> 00:28:58,289
I agree.
430
00:28:58,372 --> 00:29:00,289
- Okay. - Thanks.
431
00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:02,330
- So I'll speak to you later.
- Yes, you will.
432
00:29:02,414 --> 00:29:04,247
- Later, later. - I gotta think.
433
00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:05,873
This is funny.
434
00:29:05,956 --> 00:29:09,205
- - I knew I'd mess things up.
435
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,205
Yeah, I knew you would, too.
436
00:29:11,289 --> 00:29:13,622
HE MADE PEOPLE FEEL
REALLY SHIT ABOUT THEMSELVES
437
00:29:13,706 --> 00:29:15,081
SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL
438
00:29:15,164 --> 00:29:18,205
THEY OWED SO MUCH MORE
THAN THEY WERE GIVING
439
00:29:20,205 --> 00:29:22,539
HE REALLY WORKED EMILIANO
440
00:29:22,622 --> 00:29:25,289
ABOUT THE POWER AND
CORRUPTION OF HIS FAMILY,
441
00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:29,330
AND USED THAT TO TRY TO CONVINCE
EMILIANO THAT HE HAD A LOT TO DO
442
00:29:29,414 --> 00:29:30,873
TO FIX WHAT HIS FAMILY HAD DONE,
443
00:29:30,956 --> 00:29:33,956
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID
WITH CLARE AND SARA, AS WELL.
444
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,289
Bye-bye.
445
00:29:35,372 --> 00:29:38,039
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
446
00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:40,664
YOU FELT LIKE SHIT,
447
00:29:40,747 --> 00:29:43,330
AND HE WAS THE ONLY
ONE THAT COULD FIX IT.
448
00:29:56,914 --> 00:29:58,622
I mean, it's a long story.
449
00:30:00,455 --> 00:30:02,414
Um, 30-second version.
450
00:30:02,497 --> 00:30:04,664
Lived here for 12 years.
Was part of an organization
451
00:30:04,747 --> 00:30:06,348
that turned out to be
a very dangerous cult.
452
00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,914
Blew the whistle on human
trafficking and sex trafficking.
453
00:30:08,998 --> 00:30:11,205
Now there's a massive
federal investigation underway.
454
00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:13,455
This is the first time
we're back in a year.
455
00:30:14,956 --> 00:30:16,723
Do you mind if I
ask what they're called?
456
00:30:16,747 --> 00:30:19,247
The umbrella
company is NXIVM. N-X-I-V-M.
457
00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:20,873
- No way.
- That's the one!
458
00:30:20,956 --> 00:30:23,956
I actually had a meeting with
them one time, accidentally.
459
00:30:41,831 --> 00:30:43,330
Right? Like, just that...
460
00:30:51,164 --> 00:30:52,455
And it's weird. I don't know.
461
00:30:52,539 --> 00:30:54,473
It starts off,
it feels like real answers.
462
00:30:54,497 --> 00:30:56,914
Like,
I think the experience you had was weird.
463
00:30:56,998 --> 00:30:58,831
But there are different ways that,
like...
464
00:30:58,914 --> 00:31:01,581
For us, we came in because we had real,
legitimate,
465
00:31:01,664 --> 00:31:03,747
good experiences with people.
466
00:31:03,831 --> 00:31:06,289
And it was people we trusted.
467
00:31:06,372 --> 00:31:08,330
- So...
- Yeah. No, I think it all starts
468
00:31:08,414 --> 00:31:10,873
with someone you know,
essentially, right?
469
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,414
No. No.
470
00:31:13,497 --> 00:31:15,873
I dragged her in.
471
00:31:15,956 --> 00:31:17,372
Yeah.
472
00:31:17,455 --> 00:31:19,789
I think the
hardest thing is the shame.
473
00:31:19,873 --> 00:31:23,539
It's easy to think that people
are stupid for getting involved.
474
00:31:24,205 --> 00:31:26,289
And I don't think we're stupid.
475
00:31:26,372 --> 00:31:29,123
I think we're sensitive,
good people, and...
476
00:31:29,205 --> 00:31:30,706
It's just... it's hard.
477
00:31:32,873 --> 00:31:35,039
- Not anymore. - Not anymore.
478
00:31:55,205 --> 00:31:56,497
This is our life.
479
00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:59,956
Oh, geez.
480
00:32:04,455 --> 00:32:06,581
It was a whole apartment.
481
00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:14,330
Look what I found.
482
00:32:14,414 --> 00:32:16,747
First one I had as
a camera assistant.
483
00:32:16,831 --> 00:32:18,998
- Wow.
- That's my action figure.
484
00:32:19,081 --> 00:32:20,956
I've got very long arms.
485
00:32:22,914 --> 00:32:24,706
I wrote this book.
486
00:32:25,622 --> 00:32:27,205
In another life.
487
00:32:28,372 --> 00:32:30,497
It's a lot of shit
to go through.
488
00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:35,081
I mean, I've got modules, here.
489
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:41,123
"World Audience."
"Pain and Suffering."
490
00:32:42,581 --> 00:32:44,622
Oh, Shifter strategy!
491
00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:48,372
- Oh, you got "Shifter" there?
- Yep.
492
00:32:48,455 --> 00:32:51,539
"The term 'Shifter'
does not usually refer to a person,
493
00:32:51,622 --> 00:32:55,289
"but rather to a strategy that
is an unlimited form of cheating.
494
00:32:55,372 --> 00:32:57,330
"HAVE YOU EVER
SEEN A MAGIC TRICK
495
00:32:57,414 --> 00:33:00,455
THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLE THAT YOU
COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS DONE?"
496
00:33:00,539 --> 00:33:02,497
Oh, wait. How do you do that?
497
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:06,598
"Maybe you wanted
to watch it again and again
498
00:33:06,622 --> 00:33:07,706
"to try to figure it out.
499
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:09,348
"Then one day,
you learned how it was done
500
00:33:09,372 --> 00:33:11,622
"and you couldn't believe
that you were taken in by it.
501
00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:13,539
It became so obvious to you."
502
00:33:13,622 --> 00:33:15,831
- Tails. -
503
00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:17,164
Tails.
504
00:33:17,247 --> 00:33:19,497
"We do not live in a world
that plays by the rules.
505
00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,622
If you and I are
playing a game..."
506
00:33:21,706 --> 00:33:23,581
And I'm cheating and you're not,
507
00:33:23,664 --> 00:33:26,414
chances are, I'm gonna win.
Unless you discover my cheating.
508
00:33:26,497 --> 00:33:28,789
- Hand goes faster than the quarter does.
- Oh!
509
00:33:29,789 --> 00:33:31,247
- Right. -
510
00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:36,914
Ooh, what's this?
511
00:33:36,998 --> 00:33:39,581
Someone
with very low self-esteem.
512
00:33:39,664 --> 00:33:41,372
"Whenever this person
sees something good,
513
00:33:41,455 --> 00:33:43,330
"they want to suppress
it and destroy it.
514
00:33:43,414 --> 00:33:46,789
These people never have
anything nice to say about anyone."
515
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:52,539
AFTER I LEFT, I HEARD THAT I
WAS BEING CALLED A SUPPRESSIVE.
516
00:33:52,622 --> 00:33:55,873
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK
QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
517
00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:05,539
IN ESP, WE LEARNED THAT EVERYONE
HAS SUPPRESSIVE TENDENCIES.
518
00:34:05,622 --> 00:34:08,247
WE ALL HAVE NARCISSISTIC TRAITS.
519
00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:10,706
BUT A FULL SUPPRESSIVE
IS SOMEONE WHO,
520
00:34:10,789 --> 00:34:12,873
LIKE, REALLY HAS BAD INTENT,
521
00:34:12,956 --> 00:34:14,455
AND WANTS TO HURT PEOPLE.
522
00:34:14,539 --> 00:34:17,914
THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN
THE MODULE "THE FALL."
523
00:34:17,998 --> 00:34:20,205
THERE'S AN
INTERESTING BOOK WRITTEN, UH,
524
00:34:20,289 --> 00:34:22,873
poem, actually,
"Paradise Lost," by Milton.
525
00:34:22,956 --> 00:34:26,622
Written a while ago. It's
about the fall of Lucifer
526
00:34:26,706 --> 00:34:28,289
from the Garden of Eden.
527
00:34:28,372 --> 00:34:30,706
At one point,
he's personifying Lucifer,
528
00:34:30,789 --> 00:34:33,956
and Lucifer looks
up and sees Heaven,
529
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,372
and then sees Heaven's creation,
which is man.
530
00:34:37,455 --> 00:34:41,789
And you know what Lucifer's
first reaction to man is?
531
00:34:41,873 --> 00:34:44,581
He is amazed by man.
532
00:34:45,497 --> 00:34:49,164
He admires, even loves, man.
533
00:34:49,247 --> 00:34:51,205
One can interpret that.
534
00:34:51,289 --> 00:34:53,664
But then you know
what his reaction is?
535
00:34:53,747 --> 00:34:57,664
"That creature reminds
me of what I lost.
536
00:34:57,747 --> 00:35:00,539
"The perfection of that creature
537
00:35:00,622 --> 00:35:04,497
"brings such hate,
such memories,
538
00:35:04,581 --> 00:35:07,747
"such awful things in
me. I must destroy that.
539
00:35:07,831 --> 00:35:11,664
I don't want to see Heaven
embodied anywhere."
540
00:35:11,747 --> 00:35:14,247
So he seeks to destroy.
541
00:35:17,664 --> 00:35:20,998
SO, "THE FALL" WAS DESCRIBED AS,
LIKE, THIS DISCOVERY
542
00:35:21,081 --> 00:35:23,372
THAT A PERSON CAN MAKE.
543
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:27,330
THAT IF THEIR SELF-ESTEEM GETS SUPER,
SUPER LOW,
544
00:35:27,414 --> 00:35:29,706
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
A TON OF OPTIONS
545
00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:31,372
IF THEY DESTROY
THEIR CONSCIENCE,
546
00:35:31,455 --> 00:35:33,664
AND BY HURTING PEOPLE
547
00:35:33,747 --> 00:35:35,455
OR BY DOING DESTRUCTIVE THINGS,
548
00:35:35,539 --> 00:35:38,289
THEY ACTUALLY CAN FEEL GOOD.
549
00:35:38,372 --> 00:35:41,289
This is what Vanguard
terms a Luciferian.
550
00:35:41,372 --> 00:35:45,123
It's the worst possible
thing that could ever occur,
551
00:35:45,205 --> 00:35:47,998
because Luciferians
look like you,
552
00:35:48,081 --> 00:35:49,998
and they seem to act like you,
553
00:35:50,081 --> 00:35:51,539
but they are nothing like you.
554
00:35:51,622 --> 00:35:53,664
It's like an aching. They
wake up in the morning,
555
00:35:53,747 --> 00:35:56,998
and they feel
vengeful. They feel bad.
556
00:35:57,081 --> 00:36:00,081
And the only thing that can
relieve that gut, that pain,
557
00:36:00,164 --> 00:36:04,164
is to go out and destroy
and to exercise power.
558
00:36:14,123 --> 00:36:15,956
KEITH DID SEEM TO HAVE,
559
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,581
LIKE,
A FASCINATION WITH PSYCHOPATHS,
560
00:36:18,664 --> 00:36:20,664
AND PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY EVIL,
561
00:36:20,747 --> 00:36:22,789
OR HAD, HAD NO CONSCIENCE.
562
00:36:24,164 --> 00:36:27,372
If those people of what
we call anti-conscience,
563
00:36:27,455 --> 00:36:30,081
the Luciferic people,
didn't exist,
564
00:36:30,164 --> 00:36:31,914
we'd have to invent them.
565
00:36:31,998 --> 00:36:33,747
They're very important for us.
566
00:36:33,831 --> 00:36:36,455
- MM-HMM.
- IT'S A REAL PARTNERSHIP.
567
00:36:36,539 --> 00:36:39,706
AND SUCH A PERSON
COULD EVEN ARGUE THAT
568
00:36:39,789 --> 00:36:41,747
genetically, they are superior.
569
00:36:41,831 --> 00:36:43,956
They're not burdened
by a conscience.
570
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,164
They're not burdened
by a system of honor.
571
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:47,581
They're Machiavellian.
572
00:36:47,664 --> 00:36:50,123
The sociopath, who doesn't
have the circuitry in the brain,
573
00:36:50,205 --> 00:36:52,455
looks at everything
like a video game.
574
00:36:52,539 --> 00:36:54,140
And because they
look at things like that,
575
00:36:54,164 --> 00:36:56,123
they have more
degrees of freedom
576
00:36:56,205 --> 00:36:57,956
than an empathy-feeling person.
577
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,789
The truth of the matter is,
sociopaths have made us what we were.
578
00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:03,998
If it weren't for sociopaths,
we wouldn't understand compassion.
579
00:37:07,372 --> 00:37:08,706
Yeah.
580
00:37:10,247 --> 00:37:12,372
I THOUGHT THAT THAT
WAS JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED
581
00:37:12,455 --> 00:37:15,539
to help people not
become that way,
582
00:37:15,622 --> 00:37:17,622
and know what
they were looking at,
583
00:37:17,706 --> 00:37:20,998
so they could avoid being
hurt by people like that.
584
00:37:21,081 --> 00:37:24,330
But I think ultimately,
what he was doing was just
585
00:37:24,414 --> 00:37:26,581
putting everything
in plain sight.
586
00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:30,998
I HAD THE KIND OF LOVE
WITH KEITH THAT WAS UNEASY,
587
00:37:31,081 --> 00:37:34,247
BECAUSE I LOVED HIM
AND I WAS AFRAID OF HIM.
588
00:38:21,789 --> 00:38:23,414
It feels like, uh...
589
00:38:23,497 --> 00:38:26,330
I looked into Hell
and I got stuck there.
590
00:38:29,956 --> 00:38:32,455
I feel super fucked up.
591
00:38:34,539 --> 00:38:36,123
I READ THE DOCUMENT
ON MY COMPUTER.
592
00:38:36,205 --> 00:38:39,372
It was just called "V.doc."
593
00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:41,831
The "V" was the nickname
594
00:38:41,914 --> 00:38:44,998
for Keith Raniere,
like Vanguard.
595
00:38:46,539 --> 00:38:48,539
I didn't know what it was,
and I just, like,
596
00:38:48,622 --> 00:38:52,205
opened it up and I read it,
and I was like, "What the fuck?"
597
00:38:52,289 --> 00:38:55,414
And it's basically...
It's like a story idea...
598
00:38:55,497 --> 00:38:57,747
that he came up with.
599
00:38:57,831 --> 00:39:01,747
And, um, basically about,
like, a corporation
600
00:39:01,831 --> 00:39:03,497
where there's like a,
601
00:39:03,581 --> 00:39:05,455
a good guy that's
running the corporation,
602
00:39:05,539 --> 00:39:08,581
and there's like this
mentor character.
603
00:39:08,664 --> 00:39:13,123
And the good guy kind of
realizes that there's a psychopath...
604
00:39:13,205 --> 00:39:17,123
that's in the system,
trying to destroy everything.
605
00:39:17,205 --> 00:39:20,956
And the punchline in the end is
that he realizes that the mentor,
606
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,831
who he thought was a good guy,
is actually the psychopath.
607
00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:28,330
And it just...
608
00:39:28,414 --> 00:39:32,289
I was fucking horrified,
'cause it's like, "You fucker.
609
00:39:32,372 --> 00:39:34,289
"Ten years ago, you showed me
610
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,539
exactly what you
were gonna do to me."
611
00:39:38,831 --> 00:39:40,455
And I know this
is what he wanted,
612
00:39:40,539 --> 00:39:42,414
'cause this is fun.
613
00:39:42,497 --> 00:39:45,247
It was the best
practical joke ever.
614
00:40:07,539 --> 00:40:08,914
Oh, Jesus. The hair!
615
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:19,455
Now that your hair's out of the way,
it's much better.
616
00:40:19,539 --> 00:40:20,706
Not bad.
617
00:40:26,289 --> 00:40:27,873
You're not gonna do that,
are you?
618
00:40:27,956 --> 00:40:30,581
- -You didn't do that, did you?
619
00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:48,789
How would you
respond to somebody
620
00:40:48,873 --> 00:40:51,205
who believes that the
cause of violence is poverty?
621
00:40:51,289 --> 00:40:52,664
IT IS POVERTY.
622
00:40:52,747 --> 00:40:55,831
HOW DO YOU DEFINE
POVERTY? POVERTY OF WHAT?
623
00:40:55,914 --> 00:40:57,539
Let me just tie that together.
624
00:40:57,622 --> 00:40:58,932
- Are you rolling?
- I'm rolling.
625
00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:00,581
How was the exposure? Good?
626
00:41:00,664 --> 00:41:02,557
- It was good.
- We're still rolling, guys?
627
00:41:02,581 --> 00:41:04,372
Okay. Let's go
back to that question,
628
00:41:04,455 --> 00:41:06,789
which was basically,
how would you respond to somebody
629
00:41:06,873 --> 00:41:08,789
who says the cause
of violence is poverty?
630
00:41:08,873 --> 00:41:12,205
Well, uh,
it is poverty, actually.
631
00:41:12,289 --> 00:41:14,539
Uh, but a poverty of what?
632
00:41:14,622 --> 00:41:17,581
You're born into a rich family.
633
00:41:17,664 --> 00:41:20,081
You're not stealing anything,
per se.
634
00:41:20,164 --> 00:41:21,622
But you haven't earned it.
635
00:41:21,706 --> 00:41:24,414
You're born into a rich family.
636
00:41:24,497 --> 00:41:27,747
That means you haven't stolen anything,
per se.
637
00:41:27,831 --> 00:41:29,664
But you haven't earned it,
either.
638
00:41:29,747 --> 00:41:31,497
But imagine a $10 bill.
639
00:41:31,581 --> 00:41:33,747
Do you know what
that $10 bill means?
640
00:41:33,831 --> 00:41:37,081
Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what?
641
00:41:37,164 --> 00:41:38,664
A day?
642
00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:42,414
So you hold the life
of the whole family
643
00:41:42,497 --> 00:41:44,581
in your hand when you hold...
644
00:41:44,664 --> 00:41:45,747
that $10 bill.
645
00:41:45,831 --> 00:41:48,497
AND YOU GO AND SPEND
A $10 BILL ON WHAT?
646
00:41:48,581 --> 00:41:50,247
DRINKS AT A BAR?
647
00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:52,081
That's what I
think of your family.
648
00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:53,747
That's what I think
of your efforts.
649
00:41:53,831 --> 00:41:55,747
That's what I think of a
whole day of your work.
650
00:41:55,831 --> 00:41:58,497
Just spend it on
a drink at a bar.
651
00:41:58,581 --> 00:42:00,414
I just piss it off.
652
00:42:00,497 --> 00:42:02,081
I piss on your family.
653
00:42:02,164 --> 00:42:04,706
I piss on your whole family.
654
00:42:13,081 --> 00:42:15,581
TONI ZARATTINI HAD
TO RESHOOT EVERYTHING.
655
00:42:15,664 --> 00:42:18,831
ALL HIS STUFF AGAIN,
TO GIVE TRIBUTE TO RANIERE.
656
00:42:48,998 --> 00:42:52,081
Done,
done to him for a long period of time?
657
00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:54,164
Okay.
658
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:57,789
I WAS A FUCKING SERVANT.
659
00:42:57,873 --> 00:42:59,581
I mean, I was a...
660
00:43:00,873 --> 00:43:03,581
I was obedient to him.
661
00:44:02,998 --> 00:44:04,539
I know.
662
00:44:04,622 --> 00:44:07,622
I know he gets pleasure in this.
663
00:44:09,123 --> 00:44:12,372
This is one of those things
where if you got stabbed in the soul,
664
00:44:12,455 --> 00:44:15,831
and there's no way... There's
nothing that's gonna make it better.
665
00:44:16,914 --> 00:44:18,455
And he's done
that to my friends.
666
00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:20,123
He's done that to my wife.
667
00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:24,039
And he knows he did.
668
00:44:25,205 --> 00:44:27,789
And that was his joy.
669
00:44:39,497 --> 00:44:41,497
THIS IS SILVER BAY,
670
00:44:41,581 --> 00:44:43,372
WHERE V WEEK WAS.
671
00:44:44,330 --> 00:44:46,414
AND I DO HAVE SOME
REALLY NICE MEMORIES
672
00:44:46,497 --> 00:44:48,998
OF, LIKE,
WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS.
673
00:45:02,998 --> 00:45:05,123
THIS PLACE IN
THE FALL IS BEAUTIFUL.
674
00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:06,845
I MEAN,
THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN IS JUST ORANGE,
675
00:45:06,914 --> 00:45:09,706
AND THERE'S A LAKE AND
THERE'S GREEN GRASS.
676
00:46:36,622 --> 00:46:38,539
Hey, boo,
it's Sally. Do you want to take it?
677
00:46:38,622 --> 00:46:41,039
- I'll go outside and call her.
- Here.
678
00:46:41,123 --> 00:46:42,581
Okay.
679
00:46:42,664 --> 00:46:44,123
- No. What? - No.
680
00:46:46,247 --> 00:46:48,164
- No! - Fuck me.
681
00:46:53,247 --> 00:46:54,289
Oh, my God.
682
00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:57,956
Fuck.
683
00:46:59,372 --> 00:47:00,539
Fuck!
684
00:47:00,622 --> 00:47:02,223
- I'll tell you what, Sally.
- Put it in the thread.
685
00:47:02,247 --> 00:47:04,431
- Fuck me!
- I don't have my phone. My phone's in the car.
686
00:47:04,455 --> 00:47:06,372
Can we pass this on
to the rest of the team?
687
00:47:06,455 --> 00:47:08,289
'Cause I want to
let the rebels know.
688
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,831
Oh, I wanna...
689
00:47:19,372 --> 00:47:21,789
Oh, my God. I'm so happy.
690
00:47:21,873 --> 00:47:24,539
Please let me see your face.
691
00:47:24,622 --> 00:47:27,956
OH, MY GOD. I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
692
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,159
- Catherine.
- I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK
693
00:47:30,205 --> 00:47:31,372
I'M SO EXCITED.
694
00:47:31,455 --> 00:47:33,956
Love you, Catherine!
695
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,622
Guys, it's in the press.
696
00:47:35,706 --> 00:47:37,723
- It's in the press! It's in the press.
- It's in the press.
697
00:47:37,747 --> 00:47:40,998
There you are,
darling. On the front page.
698
00:47:41,081 --> 00:47:42,998
Alleged leader
of a secret society
699
00:47:43,081 --> 00:47:45,414
accused of branding
women has been arrested
700
00:47:45,497 --> 00:47:46,497
just hours ago.
701
00:48:10,289 --> 00:48:13,205
Look at this picture
of Keith Raniere
702
00:48:13,289 --> 00:48:15,706
in the back of the cop car.
703
00:48:15,789 --> 00:48:18,789
HE LOOKS SO UNHAPPY.
704
00:48:18,873 --> 00:48:20,164
"The defendant, Keith Raniere,
705
00:48:20,247 --> 00:48:22,181
"is scheduled to appear in
the northern district of Texas
706
00:48:22,205 --> 00:48:24,289
"tomorrow at 2:00
p.m. for arraignment.
707
00:48:24,372 --> 00:48:27,497
"The government respectfully
submits this letter in anticipation
708
00:48:27,581 --> 00:48:30,914
"of the defendant's expected removal
to the eastern district of New York,
709
00:48:30,998 --> 00:48:32,747
"AND IN SUPPORT OF THE
GOVERNMENT'S REQUEST
710
00:48:32,831 --> 00:48:34,330
FOR A PERMANENT
ORDER OF DETENTION."
711
00:48:34,414 --> 00:48:36,706
I can't believe
they're doing this.
712
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,664
"THE DEFENDANT, WHO WAS
LIVING IN MEXICO PRIOR TO HIS ARREST,
713
00:48:39,747 --> 00:48:42,081
"and has access
to vast resources,
714
00:48:42,164 --> 00:48:44,873
"poses a significant
risk of flight.
715
00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:48,247
If released,
he would pose a danger to the community."
716
00:48:50,123 --> 00:48:52,081
- They got him.
- They fuckin' got him.
717
00:49:08,664 --> 00:49:11,581
FBI CREWS
RAID A HOME IN WATERFORD
718
00:49:11,664 --> 00:49:13,123
WITH APPARENT CONNECTIONS
719
00:49:13,205 --> 00:49:15,306
TO THE ALLEGED CULT IN OUR AREA.
720
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:17,611
HEY, GOOD EVENING,
CAMILLE. WHILE FBI AGENTS
721
00:49:17,664 --> 00:49:20,247
CONTINUE TO RAID THE HOME
BEHIND ME HERE IN WATERFORD
722
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:21,789
ON OREGON TRAIL.
723
00:49:21,873 --> 00:49:23,765
THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY LONG,
SINCE THIS MORNING.
724
00:49:23,789 --> 00:49:27,747
Now, according to neighbors,
Nancy Salzman left the home yesterday,
725
00:49:27,831 --> 00:49:30,747
after the leader of the
company she helped to start
726
00:49:30,831 --> 00:49:33,539
WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED
WITH SEX TRAFFICKING.
727
00:49:33,622 --> 00:49:35,765
SO THERE'S A
LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS THING,
728
00:49:35,789 --> 00:49:38,081
BUT FIRST OF ALL, THEY GOT THIS GUY,
UH, KEITH RANIERE
729
00:49:38,164 --> 00:49:40,765
DOWN IN MEXICO AND THEY BROUGHT
HIM BACK. HE'S GOING TO BE EXTRADITED.
730
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:43,598
NOW, RANIERE IS EXPECTED
BACK IN NEW YORK IN THE COMING DAYS.
731
00:49:43,622 --> 00:49:47,205
HE IS STILL UNDER THE
CUSTODY OF US MARSHALS.
732
00:49:47,289 --> 00:49:49,039
KEITH RANIERE IS NO LONGER
733
00:49:49,123 --> 00:49:51,539
AT THAT FEDERAL TRANSFER
CENTER IN OKLAHOMA.
734
00:49:51,622 --> 00:49:54,081
RIGHT NOW, RANIERE IS ON A BUS
735
00:49:54,164 --> 00:49:57,414
ON HIS WAY BACK TO NEW YORK.
736
00:49:57,497 --> 00:49:59,932
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A
CRIMINAL CAUSE FOR AN ARRAIGNMENT.
737
00:49:59,956 --> 00:50:03,539
18M132,
UNITED STATES VERSUS KEITH RANIERE.
738
00:50:03,622 --> 00:50:06,306
- GOOD AFTERNOON.
- GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. RANIERE.
739
00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:07,581
GOOD AFTERNOON.
740
00:50:07,664 --> 00:50:09,414
HAVE YOU SEEN A
COPY OF THE COMPLAINT
741
00:50:09,497 --> 00:50:11,581
THAT HAS BEEN FILED
AGAINST YOU IN THIS CASE?
742
00:50:11,664 --> 00:50:14,164
- YES, YOUR HONOR.
- OKAY.
743
00:50:14,247 --> 00:50:16,039
IN LIGHT OF THE
NATURE OF THE CHARGES
744
00:50:16,123 --> 00:50:18,831
AND THE, UH, EVIDENCE LAID
OUT IN THE GOVERNMENT'S LETTER,
745
00:50:18,914 --> 00:50:22,789
THE COURT IS GOING TO ISSUE A
PERMANENT ORDER OF DETENTION.
746
00:50:22,873 --> 00:50:24,414
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,
MR. RANIERE?
747
00:50:24,497 --> 00:50:26,664
- YES, YOUR HONOR.
- OKAY.
748
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,539
Good afternoon, everybody.
749
00:50:32,622 --> 00:50:34,539
We just wanna say, um,
750
00:50:34,622 --> 00:50:37,622
Mr. Raniere, uh,
denies these allegations.
751
00:50:37,706 --> 00:50:40,622
We are looking forward
to a swift resolution.
752
00:50:40,706 --> 00:50:42,747
We're not waiving
any speedy trial time.
753
00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:45,039
We don't think the government
can prove these things,
754
00:50:45,123 --> 00:50:47,289
and we look forward
to our day in court.
755
00:50:47,372 --> 00:50:48,972
Some people might say that, uh,
756
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,622
simply by virtue of the
fact that he fled to Mexico,
757
00:50:52,706 --> 00:50:55,426
if that's the right word,
that's... those are the acts of the guilty.
758
00:50:55,455 --> 00:50:57,039
Keith Raniere did
not flee to Mexico.
759
00:50:57,123 --> 00:50:59,789
We will explain what happened
at the appropriate time.
760
00:50:59,873 --> 00:51:02,539
HE'S MAINTAINING
HIS INNOCENCE. I MEAN,
761
00:51:02,622 --> 00:51:05,581
to hear him say that, I mean,
what comes to mind?
762
00:51:05,664 --> 00:51:08,581
He's a sociopath. Of course he's
going to maintain his innocence.
763
00:51:08,664 --> 00:51:10,424
It's very hard for me
to be in this courtroom
764
00:51:10,455 --> 00:51:13,123
because my,
my daughter is a victim of this man.
765
00:51:13,205 --> 00:51:14,789
If you listen to
what he has to say,
766
00:51:14,873 --> 00:51:17,622
he claims, you know,
no one involved in this is a victim.
767
00:51:17,706 --> 00:51:19,330
But, but India is, in your mind.
768
00:51:19,414 --> 00:51:21,414
India... They're... Ultimately,
they're all victims
769
00:51:21,455 --> 00:51:24,414
of,
of Keith Raniere. Ultimately.
770
00:51:24,497 --> 00:51:26,515
If you could say something
to your daughter right now?
771
00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:27,998
I love you. Come home.
772
00:51:28,081 --> 00:51:31,831
THIS IS A CASE
ABOUT HOW GROWN ADULTS
773
00:51:31,914 --> 00:51:33,789
are intimate with each other,
774
00:51:33,873 --> 00:51:36,998
and the choices that
grown adults make,
775
00:51:37,081 --> 00:51:39,372
in terms of how
to live their lives.
776
00:51:39,455 --> 00:51:41,706
THERE ARE WELL-KNOWN
GROUPS OF MEN
777
00:51:41,789 --> 00:51:43,497
THAT BRAND THEMSELVES.
778
00:51:43,581 --> 00:51:45,205
IT'S UTTERLY UNCONTROVERSIAL.
779
00:51:45,289 --> 00:51:47,747
BUT A GROUP OF WOMEN
DECIDE TO BRAND THEMSELVES,
780
00:51:47,831 --> 00:51:50,081
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,
WE ASSUME THAT THEY'RE VICTIMS.
781
00:51:50,164 --> 00:51:53,747
Quite frankly, I think this is something
that women very much can do
782
00:51:53,831 --> 00:51:56,414
on their own,
as a matter of their own free choice.
783
00:51:56,497 --> 00:51:59,455
AND I, I ASSURE YOU,
I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY WOMEN.
784
00:51:59,539 --> 00:52:01,247
AND THEY'VE GIVEN
ME THEIR REASONS.
785
00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:03,164
This was their choice.
786
00:52:03,247 --> 00:52:05,706
RANIERE NOT
THE ONLY MEMBER OF NXIVM...
787
00:52:05,789 --> 00:52:07,515
ALLISON
MACK'S IN A WORLD OF HURT.
788
00:52:07,539 --> 00:52:09,140
SHE WAS
ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT
789
00:52:09,164 --> 00:52:11,998
ON CHARGES OF SEX
TRAFFICKING AND FORCED LABOR.
790
00:52:12,081 --> 00:52:14,539
What do you say
about the charges against you?
791
00:52:14,622 --> 00:52:17,247
Were you involved in a sex cult?
792
00:52:17,330 --> 00:52:20,372
THE ALLEGED FINANCIAL
BACKER OF THE OPERATION,
793
00:52:20,455 --> 00:52:23,164
CLARE BRONFMAN,
WAS ALSO INDICTED TODAY.
794
00:52:23,247 --> 00:52:27,706
I HAVE NEVER SEEN
BAIL SET AS HIGH AS IT WAS TODAY.
795
00:52:27,789 --> 00:52:29,372
CLARE BRONFMAN COULD GO FREE.
796
00:52:29,455 --> 00:52:32,873
ALL SHE HAD TO DO
WAS POST $100 MILLION.
797
00:52:32,956 --> 00:52:34,873
Do you have anything to say?
798
00:52:34,956 --> 00:52:36,598
ARRESTED TODAY, NANCY SALZMAN,
799
00:52:36,622 --> 00:52:38,706
THE CO-FOUNDER AND
PRESIDENT OF NXIVM,
800
00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:40,622
AS WELL AS HER DAUGHTER,
LAUREN SALZMAN.
801
00:52:40,706 --> 00:52:42,998
IF CONVICTED OF THESE,
UH, CHARGES,
802
00:52:43,081 --> 00:52:45,414
THEY'RE LOOKING AT A
MAXIMUM OF 20 YEARS.
803
00:52:45,497 --> 00:52:47,998
You co-founded this group,
Nancy.
804
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,831
Any comment? Why do
you think you were misguided by Raniere?
805
00:52:57,998 --> 00:53:00,497
NOW,
WHEN KEITH AND I GOT TOGETHER,
806
00:53:00,581 --> 00:53:04,372
he asked me if I wanted
him to be my mentor.
807
00:53:04,455 --> 00:53:08,123
AND I SAID,
"I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO BE YOUR STUDENT."
808
00:53:08,205 --> 00:53:10,414
AND HE SAID TO ME, "NOT SO FAST.
809
00:53:10,497 --> 00:53:12,622
"IF YOU'RE GOING
TO WORK WITH ME,
810
00:53:12,706 --> 00:53:16,497
you have to work with
me for the rest of your life."
811
00:53:26,205 --> 00:53:29,330
LOYALTY IS GOOD
IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS,
812
00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:32,330
AND VERY BAD IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
813
00:53:32,414 --> 00:53:34,956
WE TALK ABOUT GETTING
LOST IN THE MOVIE.
814
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:39,747
WE'RE KIND OF LOST IN
THE ROLE OF OUR LIFE.
815
00:53:39,831 --> 00:53:43,123
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS STOP
BELIEVING THAT THAT'S WHO YOU ARE.
816
00:53:43,205 --> 00:53:45,330
THEN YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR ROLE.
817
00:54:00,539 --> 00:54:02,682
- -Electronic
voice: THIS CALL IS FROM...
818
00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:04,164
KEITH RANIERE.
819
00:54:04,247 --> 00:54:07,123
AN INMATE AT A FEDERAL PRISON.
820
00:55:42,897 --> 00:55:44,897
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