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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,789 --> 00:00:09,140 - Yeah, you're right. - Oh, move the camera? 2 00:00:09,164 --> 00:00:11,664 Yeah, move the camera, just a little bit. 3 00:00:14,164 --> 00:00:16,998 - So, you want me to... - Yeah. 4 00:00:17,081 --> 00:00:19,205 Okay, I, I wrote a fable once, 5 00:00:19,289 --> 00:00:22,539 that started that there was a mighty king 6 00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:25,372 that took over, uh, a culture, 7 00:00:25,455 --> 00:00:28,747 and this king used torture and fear 8 00:00:28,831 --> 00:00:31,414 to create obedience. 9 00:00:31,497 --> 00:00:33,039 And over time, 10 00:00:33,123 --> 00:00:36,956 people found that if they just obeyed what the king said, 11 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,164 there was peace across the land. 12 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:42,664 But what they sacrificed for that was their traditions, 13 00:00:42,747 --> 00:00:45,123 their customs, and all of their identity. 14 00:00:45,205 --> 00:00:49,039 So they just became a group of slaves, almost like cattle, 15 00:00:49,123 --> 00:00:51,873 that were used by the king. 16 00:00:51,956 --> 00:00:55,289 The threat of violence was enough to keep social order. 17 00:00:55,372 --> 00:00:58,831 But if the king went and killed everyone, 18 00:00:58,914 --> 00:01:00,873 then he would have to do all the work. 19 00:01:00,956 --> 00:01:04,622 So, the people who are being victimized 20 00:01:04,706 --> 00:01:06,247 have a certain power. 21 00:01:06,330 --> 00:01:09,164 And they can stand against the king. 22 00:01:09,247 --> 00:01:12,123 And even though the king has all sorts of weapons that they don't have, 23 00:01:12,205 --> 00:01:14,205 and all sorts of violence that they don't have, 24 00:01:14,289 --> 00:01:17,414 ultimately, they would likely prevail. 25 00:02:18,873 --> 00:02:20,581 Frank. 26 00:02:23,622 --> 00:02:25,289 Okay. 27 00:02:25,372 --> 00:02:26,789 Yeah. 28 00:03:29,205 --> 00:03:31,414 AS OF, UH, RIGHT NOW, 29 00:03:31,497 --> 00:03:34,581 OUR BELOVED VANGUARD WAS IN MONTERREY. 30 00:03:34,664 --> 00:03:39,998 AND I HAVE A PICTURE COMING WITH CONFIRMATION, SO WAIT FOR IT. 31 00:03:40,081 --> 00:03:41,914 He's on the run. 32 00:03:41,998 --> 00:03:43,849 Show us the picture. Can you hold it up? 33 00:03:43,873 --> 00:03:45,747 Uh, yeah. 34 00:03:46,706 --> 00:03:48,581 SO, THE PICTURE. 35 00:03:48,664 --> 00:03:50,747 THAT'S KEITH RANIERE RIGHT THERE. 36 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:54,914 AND THAT WAS TODAY, 37 00:03:54,998 --> 00:03:56,706 IN MEXICO. 38 00:03:56,789 --> 00:03:59,123 Then I'd like to call the FBI and the police and tell them, 39 00:03:59,205 --> 00:04:00,640 "This is what we've heard's happening. 40 00:04:00,664 --> 00:04:03,497 "So, if you guys are serious about any of this, 41 00:04:03,581 --> 00:04:04,998 "you're about to lose your shot, 42 00:04:05,081 --> 00:04:09,539 BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS OF LOYAL ESP-IANS IN MEXICO." 43 00:04:09,622 --> 00:04:12,706 THE CHILDREN OF VERY INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES 44 00:04:12,789 --> 00:04:15,205 ARE RUNNING THE CENTER DOWN THERE. 45 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:16,831 YOU KNOW, LIKE, EMILIANO SALINAS. 46 00:04:16,914 --> 00:04:18,998 HE IS THE SON OF ONE OF THE EX-PRESIDENTS. 47 00:04:19,081 --> 00:04:21,831 HE'S SORT OF LIKE THE JFK JR. OF MEXICO. 48 00:04:21,914 --> 00:04:24,914 AND SO KEITH HAD A LOT OF POLITICAL CLOUT THERE. 49 00:04:38,998 --> 00:04:41,372 Greg? 50 00:04:42,289 --> 00:04:45,706 Hi, little pup. Aw! 51 00:04:45,789 --> 00:04:49,706 I mean, he's got a lot of power around him down there. 52 00:04:49,789 --> 00:04:52,539 And they've moved all their classes to Mexico? 53 00:04:52,622 --> 00:04:54,789 So, we're in a tricky spot, because 54 00:04:54,873 --> 00:04:58,581 law enforcement has said, "Stop. Don't do any more shit." And we're like... 55 00:04:59,622 --> 00:05:01,789 It's a, it's a waiting game. 56 00:05:01,873 --> 00:05:04,414 So didn't he have houses and offices 57 00:05:04,497 --> 00:05:06,455 and stuff like that in, um, Albany? 58 00:05:06,539 --> 00:05:08,372 Yeah. All in other people's names. 59 00:05:08,455 --> 00:05:09,935 - Yeah. - Many of them are... 60 00:05:09,998 --> 00:05:12,039 The houses are quiet and shuttered now. 61 00:05:12,123 --> 00:05:14,039 So, all of that got disrupted. 62 00:05:14,123 --> 00:05:16,164 - Yeah. - There's still some diehards there. 63 00:05:16,247 --> 00:05:18,640 Like India? Is she one of the diehards that are over there? 64 00:05:18,664 --> 00:05:21,539 - Yeah. - She's here. I'm seeing her this afternoon. 65 00:05:21,622 --> 00:05:23,998 But she's not here recruiting people. 66 00:05:24,081 --> 00:05:25,539 We don't know. 67 00:05:25,622 --> 00:05:28,289 She's meeting with me today at three o'clock. 68 00:05:28,372 --> 00:05:30,497 Well, and, and right now, 69 00:05:30,581 --> 00:05:33,289 she's got such blinders on that, 70 00:05:33,372 --> 00:05:35,873 she's not questioning anything except for you. 71 00:05:35,956 --> 00:05:38,581 Correct. Shit. What do I do if she's going... 72 00:05:38,664 --> 00:05:40,622 If she goes to Mexico? 73 00:05:40,706 --> 00:05:42,539 You just continually... 74 00:05:42,622 --> 00:05:45,706 It's the same way. It's kind of like a reverse brainwash. 75 00:05:45,789 --> 00:05:48,873 You just continually play the message over to her, 76 00:05:48,956 --> 00:05:50,747 till one day maybe she hears it. 77 00:05:50,831 --> 00:05:52,330 And the message is? 78 00:05:52,414 --> 00:05:54,247 Well, tell her to stop doing weird shit. 79 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:55,873 Okay. 80 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:59,372 You know? 81 00:05:59,455 --> 00:06:02,205 - "Stop doing..." - Yeah. If you're doing weird shit, 82 00:06:02,289 --> 00:06:05,205 people want to hear about it. 83 00:06:06,164 --> 00:06:08,164 Well, you ask questions that 84 00:06:08,247 --> 00:06:10,497 she would have to think about now. 85 00:06:10,581 --> 00:06:12,123 Why is he in Mexico? 86 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:13,747 Why are the houses shuttered? 87 00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:16,956 - Yeah. - Why is the FBI investigating him? 88 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:19,706 Doesn't it seem a little odd that a guy who's 89 00:06:19,789 --> 00:06:22,039 on the up-and-up and doing good business 90 00:06:22,123 --> 00:06:24,497 and helping people and doing the right thing 91 00:06:24,581 --> 00:06:26,330 has to move to Mexico? 92 00:06:31,622 --> 00:06:34,747 So, 2000 and... 93 00:06:36,039 --> 00:06:38,372 I think nine, was when... 94 00:06:39,581 --> 00:06:42,164 a number of the Mexicans spoke to him at V Week 95 00:06:42,247 --> 00:06:44,622 and said, you know, "We are under enormous, 96 00:06:44,706 --> 00:06:46,747 "uh, fear in our country. 97 00:06:46,831 --> 00:06:48,789 "You know, we're being kidnapped, 98 00:06:48,873 --> 00:06:52,164 Kidnapping is a business. You know, we don't know what to do." 99 00:06:52,247 --> 00:06:54,497 AND KEITH SAID, "I CAN SOLVE THIS." 100 00:06:54,581 --> 00:06:57,455 Keith called all the Mexicans together and sat and spoke to them, 101 00:06:57,539 --> 00:06:59,330 and I recorded all those conversations. 102 00:07:05,831 --> 00:07:06,998 Good to see you. 103 00:07:07,081 --> 00:07:08,831 Yes! 104 00:07:11,581 --> 00:07:13,956 It's interesting, because when I was express kidnapped, 105 00:07:14,039 --> 00:07:16,956 I asked a lot of questions, and I had a conversation with these guys. 106 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:20,414 Uh, and for them at least, my impression was, 107 00:07:20,497 --> 00:07:22,956 that they go into their business, like, 108 00:07:23,039 --> 00:07:25,831 like they tell their wives, you know, "I'm going to work." 109 00:07:25,914 --> 00:07:28,873 NXIVM MEXICO, I MEAN, IT JUST, IT BASICALLY SEEMED LIKE 110 00:07:28,956 --> 00:07:31,539 THEY LIVED IN SOME KIND OF RAREFIED AIR. 111 00:07:31,622 --> 00:07:33,123 A LOT OF MONEY. 112 00:07:33,205 --> 00:07:34,789 And even in the mission statement, 113 00:07:34,873 --> 00:07:37,539 it talks about reaching the most influential, powerful, you know, 114 00:07:37,622 --> 00:07:40,372 wealthiest people, blah, blah, in the world because... 115 00:07:40,455 --> 00:07:43,039 if you go and try and give this education 116 00:07:43,123 --> 00:07:45,289 to the people that have zero influence, 117 00:07:45,372 --> 00:07:46,747 the lowest laborers, 118 00:07:46,831 --> 00:07:50,539 they have no influence over society at all. 119 00:07:50,622 --> 00:07:53,539 The only sustainable way to change a society 120 00:07:53,622 --> 00:07:56,664 is the wealthiest, most powerful people 121 00:07:56,747 --> 00:07:57,873 needed this education. 122 00:07:57,956 --> 00:08:01,414 And that would trickle down to everything else. 123 00:08:02,497 --> 00:08:04,337 I think part of the problem here 124 00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:07,081 is that you guys are numb to your own condition. 125 00:08:07,164 --> 00:08:10,747 Class neutrality is one of the biggest problems in Mexico. 126 00:08:10,831 --> 00:08:14,455 It's one of the things that's generating a lot of fear, if you will. 127 00:08:14,539 --> 00:08:16,998 The entitlement of the poor to take from the rich, 128 00:08:17,081 --> 00:08:18,956 and the fear of the poor that they're, 129 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:21,247 they're nothing. Oblivion. 130 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:24,414 And the fear of the rich that they've gotten their riches for no reason 131 00:08:24,497 --> 00:08:26,664 and really, they don't deserve them, either. 132 00:08:26,747 --> 00:08:29,081 I want you to imagine a $10 bill. 133 00:08:29,164 --> 00:08:31,831 Do you know what that $10 bill means? 134 00:08:34,497 --> 00:08:38,289 Some person in Mexico is probably willing to work, what, a day? 135 00:08:40,164 --> 00:08:42,581 They're willing to go and sweat, 136 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:45,956 and spend a whole day, just to get that little piece of paper. 137 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,581 You hold the life of a whole family in your hand 138 00:08:49,664 --> 00:08:52,372 when you hold that $10 bill. 139 00:08:52,455 --> 00:08:55,372 And you go out and spend that $10 bill on what? 140 00:08:56,372 --> 00:08:58,039 Drinks at a bar? 141 00:08:58,123 --> 00:09:00,123 That's what I think of your family. 142 00:09:00,205 --> 00:09:01,622 That's what I think of your efforts. 143 00:09:01,706 --> 00:09:04,081 That's what I think of a whole day of your work. 144 00:09:04,164 --> 00:09:05,956 I just piss it off. 145 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:08,164 I piss on your family. 146 00:09:09,123 --> 00:09:11,164 So why am I saying all of this? 147 00:09:11,247 --> 00:09:13,164 'Cause you have to understand the nature of it, 148 00:09:13,247 --> 00:09:15,265 and you have to understand the nature of what you do. 149 00:09:15,289 --> 00:09:18,497 And do the wealthy people have to change? Yeah. 150 00:09:18,581 --> 00:09:21,706 You have to respect the wealth that you have, 151 00:09:21,789 --> 00:09:24,497 and what it represents in the world. 152 00:09:24,581 --> 00:09:26,640 KEITH SAID TO ME, "YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE COOL 153 00:09:26,664 --> 00:09:28,932 IF YOU COULD CONTINUE DOCUMENTING THIS." I SAID, "I'D LOVE TO." 154 00:09:28,956 --> 00:09:30,914 So I followed them down to Mexico to see 155 00:09:30,998 --> 00:09:34,247 what would they do with these, this information in these meetings. 156 00:09:36,706 --> 00:09:39,247 This thing will not work 157 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:41,581 if you do not resolve your class struggle. 158 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:44,330 You have to be visible, day after day, 159 00:09:44,414 --> 00:09:45,497 location after location, 160 00:09:45,581 --> 00:09:48,081 on the radio, in the news. 161 00:10:00,581 --> 00:10:01,789 Yes, I am. 162 00:10:01,873 --> 00:10:03,956 Although I don't know how to implement this. 163 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:07,539 I, I don't know how to organize people like that. 164 00:10:07,622 --> 00:10:10,455 Well, start small. 165 00:10:15,956 --> 00:10:19,205 IN LAK'ECH translates to "you are my other me." 166 00:10:24,289 --> 00:10:27,164 So there's two aspects. There's the economic aspect, 167 00:10:27,247 --> 00:10:30,289 which is the creation of affluence, so to speak. 168 00:10:30,372 --> 00:10:34,330 AND THEN THE OTHER HAND IS PEACEFUL DRILLS AND TOOLS OF PEACE. 169 00:10:36,164 --> 00:10:38,164 EVERY SUNDAY AT 3:00 P.M., 170 00:10:38,247 --> 00:10:40,372 3,000 TO 5,000 PEOPLE WOULD STAND 171 00:10:40,455 --> 00:10:44,831 all over Mexico and basically say this particular pledge that he had written. 172 00:10:44,914 --> 00:10:47,164 ALL VIOLENCE IS A MISTAKEN IDENTITY. 173 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:50,622 All violence traces back to a, a fear. 174 00:10:55,581 --> 00:10:57,581 So what is the nature of compassion? 175 00:10:57,664 --> 00:10:59,205 To get to the root of the violence, 176 00:10:59,289 --> 00:11:01,914 to transform the violence. 177 00:11:13,414 --> 00:11:16,581 I DECIDED TO MAKE A FILM ABOUT THE MOVEMENT. 178 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:19,081 I named it "Encender El Corazón." 179 00:11:19,164 --> 00:11:21,039 "IGNITE THE HEART." 180 00:11:21,123 --> 00:11:25,414 I WAS LIKE, I'M GONNA FUCKING MAKE THIS FILM A WAKEUP CALL. 181 00:11:25,497 --> 00:11:29,123 AND SO I FOUND GREAT STORIES. AND GREAT PEOPLE. 182 00:11:37,414 --> 00:11:39,914 I MET TONI ZARATTINI IN ESP, 183 00:11:39,998 --> 00:11:41,289 PROBABLY IN 2005. 184 00:11:41,372 --> 00:11:45,998 AND TONI WAS KIDNAPPED, UM, MANY YEARS BEFORE. 185 00:11:46,081 --> 00:11:49,956 And for ransom from his family, they cut off his ears, 186 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:52,039 and they cut off one of his fingers. 187 00:12:22,998 --> 00:12:25,747 TONI AND I HAD KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME, 188 00:12:25,831 --> 00:12:27,414 AND I CONSIDERED HIM A HERO. 189 00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:29,747 He tried to escape once from his kidnappers. 190 00:12:29,831 --> 00:12:31,706 They beat the shit out of him, put him back in, 191 00:12:31,789 --> 00:12:34,747 and eventually he tried again, and, and got away. 192 00:12:35,539 --> 00:12:37,330 TONI'S A GREAT MAN. 193 00:12:37,414 --> 00:12:39,164 HE WAS A COACH IN NXIVM, 194 00:12:39,247 --> 00:12:43,706 until he discovered that one of his dear friends was involved in DOS, 195 00:12:43,789 --> 00:12:46,622 and had been branded, and he was horrified. 196 00:12:46,706 --> 00:12:52,081 AND SO HIS BATTLE WITH THE ENTIRE MEXICAN ESP COMMUNITY BEGAN. 197 00:12:57,914 --> 00:12:59,539 One of the reasons I got out 198 00:12:59,622 --> 00:13:02,289 is when I learned that Mark had gotten out. 199 00:13:02,372 --> 00:13:05,372 It was like, "What? He got out? 200 00:13:05,455 --> 00:13:07,372 "Mark Vicente got out? 201 00:13:07,455 --> 00:13:09,622 "He's like, like what? How? He's a Green. 202 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:10,873 "He's on the board. 203 00:13:10,956 --> 00:13:13,205 What do you... What... What do you mean he's out?" 204 00:13:13,289 --> 00:13:16,664 And they said, "No, well, he wanted to go make movies." 205 00:13:18,455 --> 00:13:20,205 Didn't make any sense. 206 00:13:24,247 --> 00:13:26,081 This is my friend. 207 00:13:27,831 --> 00:13:28,956 HOLA. 208 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:31,289 Um, do you have any updates? 209 00:13:42,123 --> 00:13:43,849 I hope so, Toni, because if it doesn't, 210 00:13:43,873 --> 00:13:46,205 they're gonna hunt us forever. 211 00:13:53,164 --> 00:13:54,330 Yeah. 212 00:13:58,247 --> 00:13:59,330 Right. 213 00:14:01,247 --> 00:14:02,497 Yeah. 214 00:14:05,747 --> 00:14:08,164 THERE'S BEEN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY 215 00:14:08,247 --> 00:14:11,831 BECAUSE OF, LIKE, LAW ENFORCEMENT GETTING MORE INVOLVED. 216 00:14:11,914 --> 00:14:15,539 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A CASE OR NOT. 217 00:14:15,622 --> 00:14:18,247 EVERYTHING WE DID BEFORE WAS, WE NEED TO GET THIS EXPOSED. 218 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:19,873 WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT THERE. 219 00:14:19,956 --> 00:14:22,914 WE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CONTROL OVER WHAT WE WERE DOING. 220 00:14:22,998 --> 00:14:25,998 AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S LESS IN OUR HANDS NOW. 221 00:14:45,747 --> 00:14:50,330 When I first saw her, like, oh, my God. I love this child so much. 222 00:14:51,706 --> 00:14:55,039 Just being able to, like, kiss her and hug her. 223 00:14:58,372 --> 00:15:00,914 And... 224 00:15:03,247 --> 00:15:06,497 I feel so many mixed emotions, I can't tell you. 225 00:15:06,581 --> 00:15:08,247 On one hand, 226 00:15:09,455 --> 00:15:11,205 I did... I planted a lot of stuff, 227 00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:14,455 but I swear to God, I felt like I was planting seeds... 228 00:15:17,164 --> 00:15:19,330 in... 229 00:15:19,414 --> 00:15:20,664 granite. 230 00:15:20,747 --> 00:15:22,539 Well, there's no getting through to her 231 00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:25,123 that what she's doing is super fucked up. 232 00:15:25,205 --> 00:15:27,497 And I did say what Greg said. Like, I said, you know, 233 00:15:27,581 --> 00:15:29,831 "This is very weird." She said, "So what if it's weird?" 234 00:15:29,914 --> 00:15:31,956 I mean, what do you say to somebody? 235 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:34,706 I'm like, "Well, the world thinks it's weird." 236 00:15:34,789 --> 00:15:36,289 And I said, "Not okay weird. 237 00:15:36,372 --> 00:15:39,081 Like fuck... Like, creepy weird." 238 00:15:41,581 --> 00:15:44,039 But it doesn't seem to be a problem for her. 239 00:15:50,831 --> 00:15:54,581 And I can just see how, um, 240 00:15:56,247 --> 00:16:00,039 like, how her morality has been bent. 241 00:16:00,123 --> 00:16:03,081 So I was saying, "Well, what if people are going to jail? 242 00:16:03,164 --> 00:16:05,956 And what if people have broken the law?" 243 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,664 And she said, "Well, I don't think that I've done anything, 244 00:16:08,747 --> 00:16:10,164 personally, to break the law." 245 00:16:10,247 --> 00:16:13,039 I said, "I believe that you would never break the law knowingly." 246 00:16:13,123 --> 00:16:17,123 I said, "But what if you were guided to break the law by people who knew? 247 00:16:18,581 --> 00:16:20,706 Why do you think Keith fled?" 248 00:16:20,789 --> 00:16:24,205 "Well..." Her response is, "'Cause there's a lot of people who don't like him." 249 00:16:24,289 --> 00:16:27,123 And I'm like, "Well, why do you think they don't like him?" 250 00:16:28,289 --> 00:16:29,664 And... 251 00:16:31,247 --> 00:16:33,706 again, she couldn't really come up... 252 00:16:33,789 --> 00:16:35,956 She couldn't come up with an answer. 253 00:16:39,831 --> 00:16:43,873 She really thinks that Mark and Bonnie are the masterminds 254 00:16:43,956 --> 00:16:45,581 of this whole operation, 255 00:16:45,664 --> 00:16:47,539 and that I'm being used by Mark and Bonnie. 256 00:16:47,622 --> 00:16:50,998 Uh, Sarah and Nippy are being used, like, everybody's being used. 257 00:17:03,956 --> 00:17:05,664 If there's hope... 258 00:17:07,873 --> 00:17:11,581 it's not in any of the words that were communicated. 259 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:15,123 It's in... it's in here. 260 00:17:15,205 --> 00:17:16,873 You know? 261 00:17:16,956 --> 00:17:20,039 What we're up against is such darkness. 262 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,581 Such incredible darkness. 263 00:17:46,622 --> 00:17:48,081 I don't have any evidence at all, 264 00:17:48,164 --> 00:17:49,515 but I feel like we're gonna get her back. 265 00:17:49,539 --> 00:17:52,497 But I don't have any evidence at all. 266 00:18:25,998 --> 00:18:28,497 TO PREPARE FOR LANDING, 267 00:18:28,581 --> 00:18:32,372 PLEASE CLOSE YOUR TRAY TABLE, AND PUT AWAY CARRY-ON ITEMS. 268 00:18:32,455 --> 00:18:34,205 PLACE YOUR SEAT IN THE ORIGINAL... 269 00:18:34,289 --> 00:18:36,914 WHEN MARK AND I LEFT, WE PUT EVERYTHING IN STORAGE. 270 00:18:36,998 --> 00:18:38,557 ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO DISCARD... 271 00:18:38,581 --> 00:18:40,706 IT'S YEARS AND YEARS OF OUR LIVES. 272 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:42,664 WE'LL BE LANDING SOON. 273 00:18:57,956 --> 00:18:59,414 NOW THAT KEITH'S GONE, 274 00:18:59,497 --> 00:19:01,622 WE FINALLY FEEL OKAY TO GO BACK. 275 00:19:03,831 --> 00:19:05,914 I can see why we like LA. 276 00:19:05,998 --> 00:19:09,039 This is, like, gray and dead. 277 00:19:09,123 --> 00:19:11,123 - Disgusting. - Yeah. 278 00:19:13,164 --> 00:19:15,081 But being back here just reminds me 279 00:19:15,164 --> 00:19:17,404 of the heartache of, like, how much we've lost, you know? 280 00:19:17,455 --> 00:19:20,497 We have lost a lot of friends. 281 00:19:33,664 --> 00:19:36,247 You want to go first or you want me? 282 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:42,414 It's a puppy. 283 00:19:42,497 --> 00:19:44,123 It's a puppy. 284 00:19:44,205 --> 00:19:46,330 - It's a puppy. It's a puppy. - Hi. 285 00:19:46,831 --> 00:19:48,664 Hi. 286 00:19:48,747 --> 00:19:50,998 - Hi, puppy. - Oh, you're so... Are you cold? 287 00:19:51,081 --> 00:19:53,140 - Come in here. - Oh, no, I'm all right. I actually kind of like it. 288 00:19:53,164 --> 00:19:54,247 - Hi! - Hi. 289 00:19:54,330 --> 00:19:57,205 How's it going? 290 00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:59,831 Something I never thought I'd see standing in my doorway. 291 00:19:59,914 --> 00:20:01,140 - Really? - Yeah. 292 00:20:01,164 --> 00:20:02,706 Yeah. You. 293 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,455 Where do you wanna sit? Actually, I'll sit here, boo. 294 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,956 - Yeah. Okay. - And you sit here. 295 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:12,239 Toni, thank you so much for opening up your house to us. 296 00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:14,998 Oh, and, listen, thank you so much for opening your eyes. 297 00:20:15,081 --> 00:20:17,348 - It took a while. - Like, that's just... 298 00:20:17,372 --> 00:20:19,581 - It took a while. - Hey, I don't care 299 00:20:19,664 --> 00:20:21,247 when anyone wakes up, 300 00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:24,372 how they wake up, as long as they wake up. 301 00:20:26,372 --> 00:20:28,181 - Is that right? How did that work? - Well... 302 00:20:28,205 --> 00:20:30,181 - I don't... Let me think. - I never felt like enemies. 303 00:20:30,205 --> 00:20:32,486 - I never felt... - I felt like you were enemies. 304 00:20:32,539 --> 00:20:34,205 - - No, I, I understand, 305 00:20:34,289 --> 00:20:36,140 - and you should have, absolutely. - I'm sorry. 306 00:20:36,164 --> 00:20:37,622 - Yeah. - No, no. You should have. 307 00:20:37,706 --> 00:20:39,831 Not anymore! - Natalie: Right. 308 00:20:39,914 --> 00:20:41,164 It's good. 309 00:20:41,247 --> 00:20:43,497 It had to be very difficult for him 310 00:20:43,581 --> 00:20:47,372 to not be able to split you guys up. So how hard did he try? 311 00:20:47,455 --> 00:20:49,807 - Pretty trying. Pretty hard after I left, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. Right? 312 00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:52,164 Yeah. To me, you... 313 00:20:52,247 --> 00:20:54,873 You both leaving was a big deal. 314 00:20:54,956 --> 00:20:58,831 Because someone that close to him leaving, 315 00:20:58,914 --> 00:21:01,081 is a crack in his plate. 316 00:21:02,914 --> 00:21:05,039 When he loses that control, 317 00:21:05,123 --> 00:21:06,873 he loses his mind. 318 00:21:08,831 --> 00:21:10,706 I have something for you. 319 00:21:12,581 --> 00:21:17,330 I'm looking for the letter that I sent to Mark in 2010. 320 00:21:17,414 --> 00:21:19,455 - 2010? - Mm-hmm. 321 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,497 Right when I came in. 322 00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:22,998 Wow. 323 00:21:23,081 --> 00:21:25,372 But I, I never received it back then. 324 00:21:25,455 --> 00:21:26,747 So that was like eight years ago. 325 00:21:26,831 --> 00:21:28,372 Mm-hmm. 326 00:21:28,455 --> 00:21:30,539 - Is that the one? - Yeah, yeah. That's it. 327 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,873 Um, it was in response to a TED Talk 328 00:21:33,956 --> 00:21:35,747 that Mark did. 329 00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:37,664 MY NAME IS MARK VICENTE. 330 00:21:37,747 --> 00:21:40,873 I'M A FILMMAKER FROM THE APARTHEID ERA SOUTH AFRICA. 331 00:21:40,956 --> 00:21:43,247 I HAVE AS MY MENTOR AN AMERICAN SCIENTIST 332 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:45,956 AND PHILOSOPHER BY THE NAME OF KEITH RANIERE. 333 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:48,539 HE ASKED ME A QUESTION, 334 00:21:48,622 --> 00:21:50,330 AND THE QUESTION HE ASKED ME WAS, 335 00:21:50,414 --> 00:21:52,664 "WHAT IS BRAVERY?" 336 00:21:52,747 --> 00:21:53,998 WHAT IS IT? 337 00:21:56,873 --> 00:21:58,539 Nobody's ever seen this letter. 338 00:21:58,622 --> 00:22:01,873 No. No. I just sent it to you. 339 00:22:01,956 --> 00:22:03,330 It says, "Mark, 340 00:22:03,414 --> 00:22:05,164 "I think it's very important that you temper 341 00:22:05,247 --> 00:22:08,455 "how much of your good deeds you attribute to Keith Raniere. 342 00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:12,581 "By attributing your goodness to Raniere, you give him credit. 343 00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,247 "And worse yet, credibility, where none is due. 344 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:18,247 "Just look at how he cons people 345 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:20,099 "into believing that they are doing good deeds, 346 00:22:20,123 --> 00:22:22,998 "when in fact, all they're doing is helping to make 347 00:22:23,081 --> 00:22:25,330 "his sordid lifestyle possible. 348 00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:27,956 "If only you and others would be brave enough 349 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:29,914 "to truly look at his past and his present, 350 00:22:29,998 --> 00:22:32,747 "and objectively, you would see that you've been conned. 351 00:22:32,831 --> 00:22:36,123 "Keith destroys people's lives and will continue to do so 352 00:22:36,205 --> 00:22:39,039 "until people like yourself are brave enough 353 00:22:39,123 --> 00:22:40,789 "to really look at what he does. 354 00:22:40,873 --> 00:22:42,581 "And if you choose not to, 355 00:22:42,664 --> 00:22:44,831 then you must ask yourself why." 356 00:22:47,247 --> 00:22:48,455 You did, though. 357 00:22:48,539 --> 00:22:50,789 - Mm-hmm. Finally. - You did wake up. 358 00:22:50,873 --> 00:22:51,873 Yeah, but you know what? 359 00:22:51,956 --> 00:22:53,348 - It doesn't matter. - Seven years later. 360 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:56,205 It doesn't matter, Mark. It's that you woke up. 361 00:22:56,289 --> 00:22:58,039 Yeah, I wish I got it. 362 00:22:58,123 --> 00:22:59,330 You weren't ready. 363 00:22:59,414 --> 00:23:00,706 I wasn't ready. 364 00:23:24,081 --> 00:23:25,706 Fuckin' hell. 365 00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:27,914 Aah. 366 00:23:39,164 --> 00:23:41,706 This, this is our old house right here. 367 00:23:42,581 --> 00:23:44,539 On top of the garage, to the right, 368 00:23:44,622 --> 00:23:46,974 - the receivers and transmitters. - See, they're watching us. 369 00:23:46,998 --> 00:23:49,099 - There's probably a camera there, as well. - They're watching us. 370 00:23:49,123 --> 00:23:51,205 They're probably watching us, yeah. 371 00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:52,706 They have, like, 372 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:55,289 cameras all around at the ESP-ians' houses. 373 00:23:55,372 --> 00:23:57,747 So they're monitoring. Someone's monitoring. 374 00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:01,581 Keith could be looking at that in Mexico. 375 00:24:03,247 --> 00:24:04,873 Puts us in a little bit of danger. 376 00:24:04,956 --> 00:24:06,622 If they have papers ready for us, 377 00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:09,747 and they've been trying to find us, they could come and serve us. 378 00:24:09,831 --> 00:24:11,831 'Cause we've been in hiding. 379 00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:18,789 This is dark right here. 380 00:24:23,998 --> 00:24:26,664 KEITH WAS TRYING TO SEE HOW SUBMISSIVE I'D BE. 381 00:24:26,747 --> 00:24:29,706 AND HE'D CALL ME FOR WALKS AT LIKE, 3:00 A.M. 382 00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:32,164 AND I JUST JUMPED RIGHT OUT OF BED AND WENT, 383 00:24:32,247 --> 00:24:34,664 LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS AN HONOR. 384 00:25:26,831 --> 00:25:28,164 OKAY. 385 00:26:29,831 --> 00:26:31,711 AT ONE POINT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, 386 00:26:31,747 --> 00:26:32,998 I WAS WALKING WITH HIM, 387 00:26:33,081 --> 00:26:36,164 AND HE WAS DOING LITTLE TESTS WITH ME. 388 00:26:36,247 --> 00:26:40,789 AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "WHY DON'T YOU RUN TOWARDS THAT TREE? 389 00:26:40,873 --> 00:26:43,164 SO I STARTED... I RAN TOWARDS THE TREE AND I STOPPED. 390 00:26:43,247 --> 00:26:45,123 I DIDN'T MASH MY FACE UP. 391 00:26:45,205 --> 00:26:50,039 AND I CAME BACK AND HE SAID, "INTERESTING HOW PROTECTIVE OF YOUR BODY YOU ARE." 392 00:26:52,205 --> 00:26:53,998 AND I FELT ASHAMED. 393 00:26:54,081 --> 00:26:56,664 BUT I SAW THAT AS A LIMITATION. 394 00:26:56,747 --> 00:27:00,123 AND THEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT. 395 00:27:00,205 --> 00:27:04,164 GO AND LICK THAT PUDDLE. YOU'RE SO UPTIGHT ABOUT DIRT. LICK THE PUDDLE." 396 00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:06,123 SO I WENT AND LICKED THE PUDDLE. 397 00:27:07,123 --> 00:27:09,497 I WAS TRYING TO LET DOWN MY, MY GUARDS, 398 00:27:09,581 --> 00:27:11,497 AND ALL MY FEARS, AND, YOU KNOW, 399 00:27:11,581 --> 00:27:14,330 TO OPEN MYSELF UP TO HIS TEACHING. 400 00:27:15,247 --> 00:27:18,164 I THINK I FAILED WHATEVER HIS TESTS WERE. 401 00:27:25,873 --> 00:27:28,455 OKAY, LET'S, LET'S JUST DO A... 402 00:27:28,539 --> 00:27:30,539 START IT. LET'S SEE, HERE. 403 00:27:30,622 --> 00:27:32,622 - - Sorry. Could you just... 404 00:27:32,706 --> 00:27:35,289 I'm a little punchy, that's all. 405 00:27:35,372 --> 00:27:38,247 Don't mind me. 406 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,622 This is history of the movement, right? 407 00:27:49,998 --> 00:27:51,539 Who cares? 408 00:27:57,998 --> 00:27:59,706 Boring? 409 00:27:59,789 --> 00:28:03,164 Not boring, but not of the emotional tenor you need. 410 00:28:03,247 --> 00:28:05,223 THE REASON WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD IS... 411 00:28:05,247 --> 00:28:08,873 The thing that I say about Mexico being an optimal time, 412 00:28:08,956 --> 00:28:11,414 maybe that's something. 413 00:28:11,497 --> 00:28:15,706 This is very documentary, intellectual... 414 00:28:15,789 --> 00:28:17,123 In this situation, 415 00:28:17,205 --> 00:28:21,789 I see there are four basic philosophies for which... 416 00:28:21,873 --> 00:28:24,289 Great. I don't give a shit. 417 00:28:24,372 --> 00:28:25,998 I don't even know the word philosophy. 418 00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:28,123 I'm a typical person watching this. 419 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,330 I mean, I... Nothing against being myself. 420 00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:37,497 Now, to, to put this on pause a second. 421 00:28:38,747 --> 00:28:40,330 So again, I have to keep in mind, 422 00:28:40,414 --> 00:28:42,706 who's the typical person that's seeing this? 423 00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:45,873 If you go to all of the wealthy, educated people 424 00:28:45,956 --> 00:28:47,706 and they all see this film, and whatever, 425 00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:49,372 you're not gonna change Mexico. 426 00:28:49,455 --> 00:28:50,956 It's not gonna work. 427 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,414 I don't... Do you... I don't think I need to see much more. 428 00:28:53,497 --> 00:28:56,581 I think you need to rethink this. It's essential. 429 00:28:56,664 --> 00:28:58,289 I agree. 430 00:28:58,372 --> 00:29:00,289 - Okay. - Thanks. 431 00:29:00,372 --> 00:29:02,330 - So I'll speak to you later. - Yes, you will. 432 00:29:02,414 --> 00:29:04,247 - Later, later. - I gotta think. 433 00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:05,873 This is funny. 434 00:29:05,956 --> 00:29:09,205 - - I knew I'd mess things up. 435 00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:11,205 Yeah, I knew you would, too. 436 00:29:11,289 --> 00:29:13,622 HE MADE PEOPLE FEEL REALLY SHIT ABOUT THEMSELVES 437 00:29:13,706 --> 00:29:15,081 SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL 438 00:29:15,164 --> 00:29:18,205 THEY OWED SO MUCH MORE THAN THEY WERE GIVING 439 00:29:20,205 --> 00:29:22,539 HE REALLY WORKED EMILIANO 440 00:29:22,622 --> 00:29:25,289 ABOUT THE POWER AND CORRUPTION OF HIS FAMILY, 441 00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:29,330 AND USED THAT TO TRY TO CONVINCE EMILIANO THAT HE HAD A LOT TO DO 442 00:29:29,414 --> 00:29:30,873 TO FIX WHAT HIS FAMILY HAD DONE, 443 00:29:30,956 --> 00:29:33,956 WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID WITH CLARE AND SARA, AS WELL. 444 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,289 Bye-bye. 445 00:29:35,372 --> 00:29:38,039 Bye-bye. Bye-bye. 446 00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:40,664 YOU FELT LIKE SHIT, 447 00:29:40,747 --> 00:29:43,330 AND HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD FIX IT. 448 00:29:56,914 --> 00:29:58,622 I mean, it's a long story. 449 00:30:00,455 --> 00:30:02,414 Um, 30-second version. 450 00:30:02,497 --> 00:30:04,664 Lived here for 12 years. Was part of an organization 451 00:30:04,747 --> 00:30:06,348 that turned out to be a very dangerous cult. 452 00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,914 Blew the whistle on human trafficking and sex trafficking. 453 00:30:08,998 --> 00:30:11,205 Now there's a massive federal investigation underway. 454 00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:13,455 This is the first time we're back in a year. 455 00:30:14,956 --> 00:30:16,723 Do you mind if I ask what they're called? 456 00:30:16,747 --> 00:30:19,247 The umbrella company is NXIVM. N-X-I-V-M. 457 00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:20,873 - No way. - That's the one! 458 00:30:20,956 --> 00:30:23,956 I actually had a meeting with them one time, accidentally. 459 00:30:41,831 --> 00:30:43,330 Right? Like, just that... 460 00:30:51,164 --> 00:30:52,455 And it's weird. I don't know. 461 00:30:52,539 --> 00:30:54,473 It starts off, it feels like real answers. 462 00:30:54,497 --> 00:30:56,914 Like, I think the experience you had was weird. 463 00:30:56,998 --> 00:30:58,831 But there are different ways that, like... 464 00:30:58,914 --> 00:31:01,581 For us, we came in because we had real, legitimate, 465 00:31:01,664 --> 00:31:03,747 good experiences with people. 466 00:31:03,831 --> 00:31:06,289 And it was people we trusted. 467 00:31:06,372 --> 00:31:08,330 - So... - Yeah. No, I think it all starts 468 00:31:08,414 --> 00:31:10,873 with someone you know, essentially, right? 469 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,414 No. No. 470 00:31:13,497 --> 00:31:15,873 I dragged her in. 471 00:31:15,956 --> 00:31:17,372 Yeah. 472 00:31:17,455 --> 00:31:19,789 I think the hardest thing is the shame. 473 00:31:19,873 --> 00:31:23,539 It's easy to think that people are stupid for getting involved. 474 00:31:24,205 --> 00:31:26,289 And I don't think we're stupid. 475 00:31:26,372 --> 00:31:29,123 I think we're sensitive, good people, and... 476 00:31:29,205 --> 00:31:30,706 It's just... it's hard. 477 00:31:32,873 --> 00:31:35,039 - Not anymore. - Not anymore. 478 00:31:55,205 --> 00:31:56,497 This is our life. 479 00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:59,956 Oh, geez. 480 00:32:04,455 --> 00:32:06,581 It was a whole apartment. 481 00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:14,330 Look what I found. 482 00:32:14,414 --> 00:32:16,747 First one I had as a camera assistant. 483 00:32:16,831 --> 00:32:18,998 - Wow. - That's my action figure. 484 00:32:19,081 --> 00:32:20,956 I've got very long arms. 485 00:32:22,914 --> 00:32:24,706 I wrote this book. 486 00:32:25,622 --> 00:32:27,205 In another life. 487 00:32:28,372 --> 00:32:30,497 It's a lot of shit to go through. 488 00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:35,081 I mean, I've got modules, here. 489 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:41,123 "World Audience." "Pain and Suffering." 490 00:32:42,581 --> 00:32:44,622 Oh, Shifter strategy! 491 00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:48,372 - Oh, you got "Shifter" there? - Yep. 492 00:32:48,455 --> 00:32:51,539 "The term 'Shifter' does not usually refer to a person, 493 00:32:51,622 --> 00:32:55,289 "but rather to a strategy that is an unlimited form of cheating. 494 00:32:55,372 --> 00:32:57,330 "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MAGIC TRICK 495 00:32:57,414 --> 00:33:00,455 THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLE THAT YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW IT WAS DONE?" 496 00:33:00,539 --> 00:33:02,497 Oh, wait. How do you do that? 497 00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:06,598 "Maybe you wanted to watch it again and again 498 00:33:06,622 --> 00:33:07,706 "to try to figure it out. 499 00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:09,348 "Then one day, you learned how it was done 500 00:33:09,372 --> 00:33:11,622 "and you couldn't believe that you were taken in by it. 501 00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:13,539 It became so obvious to you." 502 00:33:13,622 --> 00:33:15,831 - Tails. - 503 00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:17,164 Tails. 504 00:33:17,247 --> 00:33:19,497 "We do not live in a world that plays by the rules. 505 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,622 If you and I are playing a game..." 506 00:33:21,706 --> 00:33:23,581 And I'm cheating and you're not, 507 00:33:23,664 --> 00:33:26,414 chances are, I'm gonna win. Unless you discover my cheating. 508 00:33:26,497 --> 00:33:28,789 - Hand goes faster than the quarter does. - Oh! 509 00:33:29,789 --> 00:33:31,247 - Right. - 510 00:33:34,330 --> 00:33:36,914 Ooh, what's this? 511 00:33:36,998 --> 00:33:39,581 Someone with very low self-esteem. 512 00:33:39,664 --> 00:33:41,372 "Whenever this person sees something good, 513 00:33:41,455 --> 00:33:43,330 "they want to suppress it and destroy it. 514 00:33:43,414 --> 00:33:46,789 These people never have anything nice to say about anyone." 515 00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:52,539 AFTER I LEFT, I HEARD THAT I WAS BEING CALLED A SUPPRESSIVE. 516 00:33:52,622 --> 00:33:55,873 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE. 517 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:05,539 IN ESP, WE LEARNED THAT EVERYONE HAS SUPPRESSIVE TENDENCIES. 518 00:34:05,622 --> 00:34:08,247 WE ALL HAVE NARCISSISTIC TRAITS. 519 00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:10,706 BUT A FULL SUPPRESSIVE IS SOMEONE WHO, 520 00:34:10,789 --> 00:34:12,873 LIKE, REALLY HAS BAD INTENT, 521 00:34:12,956 --> 00:34:14,455 AND WANTS TO HURT PEOPLE. 522 00:34:14,539 --> 00:34:17,914 THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN THE MODULE "THE FALL." 523 00:34:17,998 --> 00:34:20,205 THERE'S AN INTERESTING BOOK WRITTEN, UH, 524 00:34:20,289 --> 00:34:22,873 poem, actually, "Paradise Lost," by Milton. 525 00:34:22,956 --> 00:34:26,622 Written a while ago. It's about the fall of Lucifer 526 00:34:26,706 --> 00:34:28,289 from the Garden of Eden. 527 00:34:28,372 --> 00:34:30,706 At one point, he's personifying Lucifer, 528 00:34:30,789 --> 00:34:33,956 and Lucifer looks up and sees Heaven, 529 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,372 and then sees Heaven's creation, which is man. 530 00:34:37,455 --> 00:34:41,789 And you know what Lucifer's first reaction to man is? 531 00:34:41,873 --> 00:34:44,581 He is amazed by man. 532 00:34:45,497 --> 00:34:49,164 He admires, even loves, man. 533 00:34:49,247 --> 00:34:51,205 One can interpret that. 534 00:34:51,289 --> 00:34:53,664 But then you know what his reaction is? 535 00:34:53,747 --> 00:34:57,664 "That creature reminds me of what I lost. 536 00:34:57,747 --> 00:35:00,539 "The perfection of that creature 537 00:35:00,622 --> 00:35:04,497 "brings such hate, such memories, 538 00:35:04,581 --> 00:35:07,747 "such awful things in me. I must destroy that. 539 00:35:07,831 --> 00:35:11,664 I don't want to see Heaven embodied anywhere." 540 00:35:11,747 --> 00:35:14,247 So he seeks to destroy. 541 00:35:17,664 --> 00:35:20,998 SO, "THE FALL" WAS DESCRIBED AS, LIKE, THIS DISCOVERY 542 00:35:21,081 --> 00:35:23,372 THAT A PERSON CAN MAKE. 543 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:27,330 THAT IF THEIR SELF-ESTEEM GETS SUPER, SUPER LOW, 544 00:35:27,414 --> 00:35:29,706 THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TON OF OPTIONS 545 00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:31,372 IF THEY DESTROY THEIR CONSCIENCE, 546 00:35:31,455 --> 00:35:33,664 AND BY HURTING PEOPLE 547 00:35:33,747 --> 00:35:35,455 OR BY DOING DESTRUCTIVE THINGS, 548 00:35:35,539 --> 00:35:38,289 THEY ACTUALLY CAN FEEL GOOD. 549 00:35:38,372 --> 00:35:41,289 This is what Vanguard terms a Luciferian. 550 00:35:41,372 --> 00:35:45,123 It's the worst possible thing that could ever occur, 551 00:35:45,205 --> 00:35:47,998 because Luciferians look like you, 552 00:35:48,081 --> 00:35:49,998 and they seem to act like you, 553 00:35:50,081 --> 00:35:51,539 but they are nothing like you. 554 00:35:51,622 --> 00:35:53,664 It's like an aching. They wake up in the morning, 555 00:35:53,747 --> 00:35:56,998 and they feel vengeful. They feel bad. 556 00:35:57,081 --> 00:36:00,081 And the only thing that can relieve that gut, that pain, 557 00:36:00,164 --> 00:36:04,164 is to go out and destroy and to exercise power. 558 00:36:14,123 --> 00:36:15,956 KEITH DID SEEM TO HAVE, 559 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:18,581 LIKE, A FASCINATION WITH PSYCHOPATHS, 560 00:36:18,664 --> 00:36:20,664 AND PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY EVIL, 561 00:36:20,747 --> 00:36:22,789 OR HAD, HAD NO CONSCIENCE. 562 00:36:24,164 --> 00:36:27,372 If those people of what we call anti-conscience, 563 00:36:27,455 --> 00:36:30,081 the Luciferic people, didn't exist, 564 00:36:30,164 --> 00:36:31,914 we'd have to invent them. 565 00:36:31,998 --> 00:36:33,747 They're very important for us. 566 00:36:33,831 --> 00:36:36,455 - MM-HMM. - IT'S A REAL PARTNERSHIP. 567 00:36:36,539 --> 00:36:39,706 AND SUCH A PERSON COULD EVEN ARGUE THAT 568 00:36:39,789 --> 00:36:41,747 genetically, they are superior. 569 00:36:41,831 --> 00:36:43,956 They're not burdened by a conscience. 570 00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,164 They're not burdened by a system of honor. 571 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:47,581 They're Machiavellian. 572 00:36:47,664 --> 00:36:50,123 The sociopath, who doesn't have the circuitry in the brain, 573 00:36:50,205 --> 00:36:52,455 looks at everything like a video game. 574 00:36:52,539 --> 00:36:54,140 And because they look at things like that, 575 00:36:54,164 --> 00:36:56,123 they have more degrees of freedom 576 00:36:56,205 --> 00:36:57,956 than an empathy-feeling person. 577 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,789 The truth of the matter is, sociopaths have made us what we were. 578 00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:03,998 If it weren't for sociopaths, we wouldn't understand compassion. 579 00:37:07,372 --> 00:37:08,706 Yeah. 580 00:37:10,247 --> 00:37:12,372 I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED 581 00:37:12,455 --> 00:37:15,539 to help people not become that way, 582 00:37:15,622 --> 00:37:17,622 and know what they were looking at, 583 00:37:17,706 --> 00:37:20,998 so they could avoid being hurt by people like that. 584 00:37:21,081 --> 00:37:24,330 But I think ultimately, what he was doing was just 585 00:37:24,414 --> 00:37:26,581 putting everything in plain sight. 586 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:30,998 I HAD THE KIND OF LOVE WITH KEITH THAT WAS UNEASY, 587 00:37:31,081 --> 00:37:34,247 BECAUSE I LOVED HIM AND I WAS AFRAID OF HIM. 588 00:38:21,789 --> 00:38:23,414 It feels like, uh... 589 00:38:23,497 --> 00:38:26,330 I looked into Hell and I got stuck there. 590 00:38:29,956 --> 00:38:32,455 I feel super fucked up. 591 00:38:34,539 --> 00:38:36,123 I READ THE DOCUMENT ON MY COMPUTER. 592 00:38:36,205 --> 00:38:39,372 It was just called "V.doc." 593 00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:41,831 The "V" was the nickname 594 00:38:41,914 --> 00:38:44,998 for Keith Raniere, like Vanguard. 595 00:38:46,539 --> 00:38:48,539 I didn't know what it was, and I just, like, 596 00:38:48,622 --> 00:38:52,205 opened it up and I read it, and I was like, "What the fuck?" 597 00:38:52,289 --> 00:38:55,414 And it's basically... It's like a story idea... 598 00:38:55,497 --> 00:38:57,747 that he came up with. 599 00:38:57,831 --> 00:39:01,747 And, um, basically about, like, a corporation 600 00:39:01,831 --> 00:39:03,497 where there's like a, 601 00:39:03,581 --> 00:39:05,455 a good guy that's running the corporation, 602 00:39:05,539 --> 00:39:08,581 and there's like this mentor character. 603 00:39:08,664 --> 00:39:13,123 And the good guy kind of realizes that there's a psychopath... 604 00:39:13,205 --> 00:39:17,123 that's in the system, trying to destroy everything. 605 00:39:17,205 --> 00:39:20,956 And the punchline in the end is that he realizes that the mentor, 606 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:24,831 who he thought was a good guy, is actually the psychopath. 607 00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:28,330 And it just... 608 00:39:28,414 --> 00:39:32,289 I was fucking horrified, 'cause it's like, "You fucker. 609 00:39:32,372 --> 00:39:34,289 "Ten years ago, you showed me 610 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,539 exactly what you were gonna do to me." 611 00:39:38,831 --> 00:39:40,455 And I know this is what he wanted, 612 00:39:40,539 --> 00:39:42,414 'cause this is fun. 613 00:39:42,497 --> 00:39:45,247 It was the best practical joke ever. 614 00:40:07,539 --> 00:40:08,914 Oh, Jesus. The hair! 615 00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:19,455 Now that your hair's out of the way, it's much better. 616 00:40:19,539 --> 00:40:20,706 Not bad. 617 00:40:26,289 --> 00:40:27,873 You're not gonna do that, are you? 618 00:40:27,956 --> 00:40:30,581 - -You didn't do that, did you? 619 00:40:46,956 --> 00:40:48,789 How would you respond to somebody 620 00:40:48,873 --> 00:40:51,205 who believes that the cause of violence is poverty? 621 00:40:51,289 --> 00:40:52,664 IT IS POVERTY. 622 00:40:52,747 --> 00:40:55,831 HOW DO YOU DEFINE POVERTY? POVERTY OF WHAT? 623 00:40:55,914 --> 00:40:57,539 Let me just tie that together. 624 00:40:57,622 --> 00:40:58,932 - Are you rolling? - I'm rolling. 625 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:00,581 How was the exposure? Good? 626 00:41:00,664 --> 00:41:02,557 - It was good. - We're still rolling, guys? 627 00:41:02,581 --> 00:41:04,372 Okay. Let's go back to that question, 628 00:41:04,455 --> 00:41:06,789 which was basically, how would you respond to somebody 629 00:41:06,873 --> 00:41:08,789 who says the cause of violence is poverty? 630 00:41:08,873 --> 00:41:12,205 Well, uh, it is poverty, actually. 631 00:41:12,289 --> 00:41:14,539 Uh, but a poverty of what? 632 00:41:14,622 --> 00:41:17,581 You're born into a rich family. 633 00:41:17,664 --> 00:41:20,081 You're not stealing anything, per se. 634 00:41:20,164 --> 00:41:21,622 But you haven't earned it. 635 00:41:21,706 --> 00:41:24,414 You're born into a rich family. 636 00:41:24,497 --> 00:41:27,747 That means you haven't stolen anything, per se. 637 00:41:27,831 --> 00:41:29,664 But you haven't earned it, either. 638 00:41:29,747 --> 00:41:31,497 But imagine a $10 bill. 639 00:41:31,581 --> 00:41:33,747 Do you know what that $10 bill means? 640 00:41:33,831 --> 00:41:37,081 Some person in Mexico is probably willing to work, what? 641 00:41:37,164 --> 00:41:38,664 A day? 642 00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:42,414 So you hold the life of the whole family 643 00:41:42,497 --> 00:41:44,581 in your hand when you hold... 644 00:41:44,664 --> 00:41:45,747 that $10 bill. 645 00:41:45,831 --> 00:41:48,497 AND YOU GO AND SPEND A $10 BILL ON WHAT? 646 00:41:48,581 --> 00:41:50,247 DRINKS AT A BAR? 647 00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:52,081 That's what I think of your family. 648 00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:53,747 That's what I think of your efforts. 649 00:41:53,831 --> 00:41:55,747 That's what I think of a whole day of your work. 650 00:41:55,831 --> 00:41:58,497 Just spend it on a drink at a bar. 651 00:41:58,581 --> 00:42:00,414 I just piss it off. 652 00:42:00,497 --> 00:42:02,081 I piss on your family. 653 00:42:02,164 --> 00:42:04,706 I piss on your whole family. 654 00:42:13,081 --> 00:42:15,581 TONI ZARATTINI HAD TO RESHOOT EVERYTHING. 655 00:42:15,664 --> 00:42:18,831 ALL HIS STUFF AGAIN, TO GIVE TRIBUTE TO RANIERE. 656 00:42:48,998 --> 00:42:52,081 Done, done to him for a long period of time? 657 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:54,164 Okay. 658 00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:57,789 I WAS A FUCKING SERVANT. 659 00:42:57,873 --> 00:42:59,581 I mean, I was a... 660 00:43:00,873 --> 00:43:03,581 I was obedient to him. 661 00:44:02,998 --> 00:44:04,539 I know. 662 00:44:04,622 --> 00:44:07,622 I know he gets pleasure in this. 663 00:44:09,123 --> 00:44:12,372 This is one of those things where if you got stabbed in the soul, 664 00:44:12,455 --> 00:44:15,831 and there's no way... There's nothing that's gonna make it better. 665 00:44:16,914 --> 00:44:18,455 And he's done that to my friends. 666 00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:20,123 He's done that to my wife. 667 00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:24,039 And he knows he did. 668 00:44:25,205 --> 00:44:27,789 And that was his joy. 669 00:44:39,497 --> 00:44:41,497 THIS IS SILVER BAY, 670 00:44:41,581 --> 00:44:43,372 WHERE V WEEK WAS. 671 00:44:44,330 --> 00:44:46,414 AND I DO HAVE SOME REALLY NICE MEMORIES 672 00:44:46,497 --> 00:44:48,998 OF, LIKE, WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS. 673 00:45:02,998 --> 00:45:05,123 THIS PLACE IN THE FALL IS BEAUTIFUL. 674 00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:06,845 I MEAN, THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN IS JUST ORANGE, 675 00:45:06,914 --> 00:45:09,706 AND THERE'S A LAKE AND THERE'S GREEN GRASS. 676 00:46:36,622 --> 00:46:38,539 Hey, boo, it's Sally. Do you want to take it? 677 00:46:38,622 --> 00:46:41,039 - I'll go outside and call her. - Here. 678 00:46:41,123 --> 00:46:42,581 Okay. 679 00:46:42,664 --> 00:46:44,123 - No. What? - No. 680 00:46:46,247 --> 00:46:48,164 - No! - Fuck me. 681 00:46:53,247 --> 00:46:54,289 Oh, my God. 682 00:46:56,747 --> 00:46:57,956 Fuck. 683 00:46:59,372 --> 00:47:00,539 Fuck! 684 00:47:00,622 --> 00:47:02,223 - I'll tell you what, Sally. - Put it in the thread. 685 00:47:02,247 --> 00:47:04,431 - Fuck me! - I don't have my phone. My phone's in the car. 686 00:47:04,455 --> 00:47:06,372 Can we pass this on to the rest of the team? 687 00:47:06,455 --> 00:47:08,289 'Cause I want to let the rebels know. 688 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,831 Oh, I wanna... 689 00:47:19,372 --> 00:47:21,789 Oh, my God. I'm so happy. 690 00:47:21,873 --> 00:47:24,539 Please let me see your face. 691 00:47:24,622 --> 00:47:27,956 OH, MY GOD. I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 692 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,159 - Catherine. - I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK 693 00:47:30,205 --> 00:47:31,372 I'M SO EXCITED. 694 00:47:31,455 --> 00:47:33,956 Love you, Catherine! 695 00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,622 Guys, it's in the press. 696 00:47:35,706 --> 00:47:37,723 - It's in the press! It's in the press. - It's in the press. 697 00:47:37,747 --> 00:47:40,998 There you are, darling. On the front page. 698 00:47:41,081 --> 00:47:42,998 Alleged leader of a secret society 699 00:47:43,081 --> 00:47:45,414 accused of branding women has been arrested 700 00:47:45,497 --> 00:47:46,497 just hours ago. 701 00:48:10,289 --> 00:48:13,205 Look at this picture of Keith Raniere 702 00:48:13,289 --> 00:48:15,706 in the back of the cop car. 703 00:48:15,789 --> 00:48:18,789 HE LOOKS SO UNHAPPY. 704 00:48:18,873 --> 00:48:20,164 "The defendant, Keith Raniere, 705 00:48:20,247 --> 00:48:22,181 "is scheduled to appear in the northern district of Texas 706 00:48:22,205 --> 00:48:24,289 "tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. for arraignment. 707 00:48:24,372 --> 00:48:27,497 "The government respectfully submits this letter in anticipation 708 00:48:27,581 --> 00:48:30,914 "of the defendant's expected removal to the eastern district of New York, 709 00:48:30,998 --> 00:48:32,747 "AND IN SUPPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT'S REQUEST 710 00:48:32,831 --> 00:48:34,330 FOR A PERMANENT ORDER OF DETENTION." 711 00:48:34,414 --> 00:48:36,706 I can't believe they're doing this. 712 00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,664 "THE DEFENDANT, WHO WAS LIVING IN MEXICO PRIOR TO HIS ARREST, 713 00:48:39,747 --> 00:48:42,081 "and has access to vast resources, 714 00:48:42,164 --> 00:48:44,873 "poses a significant risk of flight. 715 00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:48,247 If released, he would pose a danger to the community." 716 00:48:50,123 --> 00:48:52,081 - They got him. - They fuckin' got him. 717 00:49:08,664 --> 00:49:11,581 FBI CREWS RAID A HOME IN WATERFORD 718 00:49:11,664 --> 00:49:13,123 WITH APPARENT CONNECTIONS 719 00:49:13,205 --> 00:49:15,306 TO THE ALLEGED CULT IN OUR AREA. 720 00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:17,611 HEY, GOOD EVENING, CAMILLE. WHILE FBI AGENTS 721 00:49:17,664 --> 00:49:20,247 CONTINUE TO RAID THE HOME BEHIND ME HERE IN WATERFORD 722 00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:21,789 ON OREGON TRAIL. 723 00:49:21,873 --> 00:49:23,765 THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY LONG, SINCE THIS MORNING. 724 00:49:23,789 --> 00:49:27,747 Now, according to neighbors, Nancy Salzman left the home yesterday, 725 00:49:27,831 --> 00:49:30,747 after the leader of the company she helped to start 726 00:49:30,831 --> 00:49:33,539 WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH SEX TRAFFICKING. 727 00:49:33,622 --> 00:49:35,765 SO THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS THING, 728 00:49:35,789 --> 00:49:38,081 BUT FIRST OF ALL, THEY GOT THIS GUY, UH, KEITH RANIERE 729 00:49:38,164 --> 00:49:40,765 DOWN IN MEXICO AND THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK. HE'S GOING TO BE EXTRADITED. 730 00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:43,598 NOW, RANIERE IS EXPECTED BACK IN NEW YORK IN THE COMING DAYS. 731 00:49:43,622 --> 00:49:47,205 HE IS STILL UNDER THE CUSTODY OF US MARSHALS. 732 00:49:47,289 --> 00:49:49,039 KEITH RANIERE IS NO LONGER 733 00:49:49,123 --> 00:49:51,539 AT THAT FEDERAL TRANSFER CENTER IN OKLAHOMA. 734 00:49:51,622 --> 00:49:54,081 RIGHT NOW, RANIERE IS ON A BUS 735 00:49:54,164 --> 00:49:57,414 ON HIS WAY BACK TO NEW YORK. 736 00:49:57,497 --> 00:49:59,932 OKAY, SO WE HAVE A CRIMINAL CAUSE FOR AN ARRAIGNMENT. 737 00:49:59,956 --> 00:50:03,539 18M132, UNITED STATES VERSUS KEITH RANIERE. 738 00:50:03,622 --> 00:50:06,306 - GOOD AFTERNOON. - GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. RANIERE. 739 00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:07,581 GOOD AFTERNOON. 740 00:50:07,664 --> 00:50:09,414 HAVE YOU SEEN A COPY OF THE COMPLAINT 741 00:50:09,497 --> 00:50:11,581 THAT HAS BEEN FILED AGAINST YOU IN THIS CASE? 742 00:50:11,664 --> 00:50:14,164 - YES, YOUR HONOR. - OKAY. 743 00:50:14,247 --> 00:50:16,039 IN LIGHT OF THE NATURE OF THE CHARGES 744 00:50:16,123 --> 00:50:18,831 AND THE, UH, EVIDENCE LAID OUT IN THE GOVERNMENT'S LETTER, 745 00:50:18,914 --> 00:50:22,789 THE COURT IS GOING TO ISSUE A PERMANENT ORDER OF DETENTION. 746 00:50:22,873 --> 00:50:24,414 DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, MR. RANIERE? 747 00:50:24,497 --> 00:50:26,664 - YES, YOUR HONOR. - OKAY. 748 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,539 Good afternoon, everybody. 749 00:50:32,622 --> 00:50:34,539 We just wanna say, um, 750 00:50:34,622 --> 00:50:37,622 Mr. Raniere, uh, denies these allegations. 751 00:50:37,706 --> 00:50:40,622 We are looking forward to a swift resolution. 752 00:50:40,706 --> 00:50:42,747 We're not waiving any speedy trial time. 753 00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:45,039 We don't think the government can prove these things, 754 00:50:45,123 --> 00:50:47,289 and we look forward to our day in court. 755 00:50:47,372 --> 00:50:48,972 Some people might say that, uh, 756 00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,622 simply by virtue of the fact that he fled to Mexico, 757 00:50:52,706 --> 00:50:55,426 if that's the right word, that's... those are the acts of the guilty. 758 00:50:55,455 --> 00:50:57,039 Keith Raniere did not flee to Mexico. 759 00:50:57,123 --> 00:50:59,789 We will explain what happened at the appropriate time. 760 00:50:59,873 --> 00:51:02,539 HE'S MAINTAINING HIS INNOCENCE. I MEAN, 761 00:51:02,622 --> 00:51:05,581 to hear him say that, I mean, what comes to mind? 762 00:51:05,664 --> 00:51:08,581 He's a sociopath. Of course he's going to maintain his innocence. 763 00:51:08,664 --> 00:51:10,424 It's very hard for me to be in this courtroom 764 00:51:10,455 --> 00:51:13,123 because my, my daughter is a victim of this man. 765 00:51:13,205 --> 00:51:14,789 If you listen to what he has to say, 766 00:51:14,873 --> 00:51:17,622 he claims, you know, no one involved in this is a victim. 767 00:51:17,706 --> 00:51:19,330 But, but India is, in your mind. 768 00:51:19,414 --> 00:51:21,414 India... They're... Ultimately, they're all victims 769 00:51:21,455 --> 00:51:24,414 of, of Keith Raniere. Ultimately. 770 00:51:24,497 --> 00:51:26,515 If you could say something to your daughter right now? 771 00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:27,998 I love you. Come home. 772 00:51:28,081 --> 00:51:31,831 THIS IS A CASE ABOUT HOW GROWN ADULTS 773 00:51:31,914 --> 00:51:33,789 are intimate with each other, 774 00:51:33,873 --> 00:51:36,998 and the choices that grown adults make, 775 00:51:37,081 --> 00:51:39,372 in terms of how to live their lives. 776 00:51:39,455 --> 00:51:41,706 THERE ARE WELL-KNOWN GROUPS OF MEN 777 00:51:41,789 --> 00:51:43,497 THAT BRAND THEMSELVES. 778 00:51:43,581 --> 00:51:45,205 IT'S UTTERLY UNCONTROVERSIAL. 779 00:51:45,289 --> 00:51:47,747 BUT A GROUP OF WOMEN DECIDE TO BRAND THEMSELVES, 780 00:51:47,831 --> 00:51:50,081 AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE ASSUME THAT THEY'RE VICTIMS. 781 00:51:50,164 --> 00:51:53,747 Quite frankly, I think this is something that women very much can do 782 00:51:53,831 --> 00:51:56,414 on their own, as a matter of their own free choice. 783 00:51:56,497 --> 00:51:59,455 AND I, I ASSURE YOU, I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY WOMEN. 784 00:51:59,539 --> 00:52:01,247 AND THEY'VE GIVEN ME THEIR REASONS. 785 00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:03,164 This was their choice. 786 00:52:03,247 --> 00:52:05,706 RANIERE NOT THE ONLY MEMBER OF NXIVM... 787 00:52:05,789 --> 00:52:07,515 ALLISON MACK'S IN A WORLD OF HURT. 788 00:52:07,539 --> 00:52:09,140 SHE WAS ARRAIGNED IN FEDERAL COURT 789 00:52:09,164 --> 00:52:11,998 ON CHARGES OF SEX TRAFFICKING AND FORCED LABOR. 790 00:52:12,081 --> 00:52:14,539 What do you say about the charges against you? 791 00:52:14,622 --> 00:52:17,247 Were you involved in a sex cult? 792 00:52:17,330 --> 00:52:20,372 THE ALLEGED FINANCIAL BACKER OF THE OPERATION, 793 00:52:20,455 --> 00:52:23,164 CLARE BRONFMAN, WAS ALSO INDICTED TODAY. 794 00:52:23,247 --> 00:52:27,706 I HAVE NEVER SEEN BAIL SET AS HIGH AS IT WAS TODAY. 795 00:52:27,789 --> 00:52:29,372 CLARE BRONFMAN COULD GO FREE. 796 00:52:29,455 --> 00:52:32,873 ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS POST $100 MILLION. 797 00:52:32,956 --> 00:52:34,873 Do you have anything to say? 798 00:52:34,956 --> 00:52:36,598 ARRESTED TODAY, NANCY SALZMAN, 799 00:52:36,622 --> 00:52:38,706 THE CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF NXIVM, 800 00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:40,622 AS WELL AS HER DAUGHTER, LAUREN SALZMAN. 801 00:52:40,706 --> 00:52:42,998 IF CONVICTED OF THESE, UH, CHARGES, 802 00:52:43,081 --> 00:52:45,414 THEY'RE LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM OF 20 YEARS. 803 00:52:45,497 --> 00:52:47,998 You co-founded this group, Nancy. 804 00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,831 Any comment? Why do you think you were misguided by Raniere? 805 00:52:57,998 --> 00:53:00,497 NOW, WHEN KEITH AND I GOT TOGETHER, 806 00:53:00,581 --> 00:53:04,372 he asked me if I wanted him to be my mentor. 807 00:53:04,455 --> 00:53:08,123 AND I SAID, "I WOULD DO ANYTHING TO BE YOUR STUDENT." 808 00:53:08,205 --> 00:53:10,414 AND HE SAID TO ME, "NOT SO FAST. 809 00:53:10,497 --> 00:53:12,622 "IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH ME, 810 00:53:12,706 --> 00:53:16,497 you have to work with me for the rest of your life." 811 00:53:26,205 --> 00:53:29,330 LOYALTY IS GOOD IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS, 812 00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:32,330 AND VERY BAD IN OTHER CONTEXTS. 813 00:53:32,414 --> 00:53:34,956 WE TALK ABOUT GETTING LOST IN THE MOVIE. 814 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:39,747 WE'RE KIND OF LOST IN THE ROLE OF OUR LIFE. 815 00:53:39,831 --> 00:53:43,123 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS STOP BELIEVING THAT THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. 816 00:53:43,205 --> 00:53:45,330 THEN YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR ROLE. 817 00:54:00,539 --> 00:54:02,682 - -Electronic voice: THIS CALL IS FROM... 818 00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:04,164 KEITH RANIERE. 819 00:54:04,247 --> 00:54:07,123 AN INMATE AT A FEDERAL PRISON. 820 00:55:42,897 --> 00:55:44,897 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 63479

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