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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,000 My first goal was "get out." 2 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,800 My plan was to leave ESP quietly. 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,200 It was just about escaping. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,880 Preservation of my family. 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,120 But when I realized how many women that I'd brought to the community, 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 who were in DOS, 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,760 I mean, that was a whole, 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,040 a whole different level of, "what the fuck?" 9 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,920 I decided to start calling people and getting them out. 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,480 And part of that was to make sure there weren't more branding sessions. 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,000 I brought in so many people to ESP, 12 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:53,280 so I feel a responsibility. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,760 You need to email her, 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,000 and say, "You enrolled me into this based on a lie. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,440 "I want my photos back, I want my videos back, 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,960 before I go to a lawyer." 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,920 You have a feeling, like, get the fuck out of here. 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,680 Those feelings are there to protect you. It's part of being human. 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,040 You're going to be okay, and the question for you is, 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,240 do you want to help get other people out? 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,440 When you start telling people, they're going to be outraged. 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,800 "You agreed to being a slave?" 23 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,360 "Yeah, but it was an exercise." To be a slave? 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,480 What do you... There's no exercise. You are now somebody's slave. 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,520 What does that even fucking mean? 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Right. So then I think what we'll do is, we'll talk to Catherine. 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Okay, great. 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,320 The parents are the way to get to the kids. 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Yep. 30 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,840 Mom, hi. 31 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,960 I got a call from Bonnie, 32 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,520 who was involved in NXIVM. 33 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,720 And she said that she was extremely worried about India. 34 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 That she... India had been one of her closest friends. 35 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,400 And she said, "You need to save her." 36 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,360 I was like, "Well, I always assumed that 37 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,240 "India would wake up one day on her own, 38 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,360 "and I wanted to respect her and not 39 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,240 criticize her life choice." 40 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,800 But she said, "You know, Catherine, 41 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,320 I don't know if you know what's really going on right now." 42 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,120 And apparently, there's a secret organization within NXIVM. 43 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,480 It's a supposed sisterhood. 44 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,640 They sign a lifetime vow of obedience. 45 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,640 They have to provide blackmail 46 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,080 that would compromise them or their families, 47 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 and they're branding girls. 48 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Yes. 49 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,880 I mean, it's so far... This is not my child. 50 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 This is not anything that my child would do. 51 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,080 I felt like India was my little sister. 52 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,200 I first met her at an intro that Mark and Sarah were doing. 53 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,040 For us, it's really helpful to know 54 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,240 who you are, and what it is that you want. 55 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,200 She was very sweet, but she was quite shy. 56 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,280 And I really liked her. But we didn't get close 57 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,320 until she started spending more time doing ESP stuff. 58 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,840 My belief in myself. 59 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,680 I think I'm scared of... 60 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,760 not doing well. 61 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,120 In the beginning, I felt that she was 62 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,560 settling for, like, a small life. 63 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,840 And as she continued in ESP, she started blossoming. 64 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,200 I never pushed the stripe path on her, 65 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,760 but when she expressed that she might want to do it, 66 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,120 I wanted to take her under my wing 67 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,880 and guide her through that process. 68 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,800 I thought we could do this journey together. 69 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,520 But I started to see really concerning behavior with India. 70 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,760 I noticed she was counting calories. 71 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,600 It seemed like she was starving herself. 72 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,480 I would catch her in lies, which was strange to me. 73 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,520 And then, she told me that she was gonna move to Albany. 74 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,680 That she'd been working on a secret project 75 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,160 with Keith and Allison. 76 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,600 I believe India's in danger. 77 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,040 So I got in touch with Catherine. 78 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,800 I never go through people's stuff. 79 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,600 So I'm very conflicted, 80 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,040 because I'm violating her privacy right now. 81 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,160 But, if any of this information could actually help us get her out, 82 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,960 I'm willing to do that. 83 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,920 - April of 2016. - Okay. 84 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,040 So, had she moved there yet? 85 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 I believe she moved to Albany in May. 86 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,280 She started going to intensives there and just kind of stayed there. 87 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,200 There's a bunch of notes that she wrote, 88 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,160 so I don't know if any of this stuff could give us some insight into... 89 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,680 - Can I see this bottom? - Yeah. Look at all of this. 90 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,760 "Personal mission statement for the rest of my life. 91 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,200 "Willing to put in the effort to make things better for the future, 92 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,560 "because you have a vision for the world. 93 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,800 "Willing to put in the work now, 94 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,120 and protect the innocence in the world." 95 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,360 I will not be the kind of woman who spends my life believing..." 96 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,720 Is that "fact" or "fear"? See? 97 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,960 "Believing fear"? 98 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,640 Here she says, "What is my motivation? 99 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,800 "How will I use the tool of a low-cal diet 100 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 "to build the me that I want? 101 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,400 "Plan attachment collateral write-up. 102 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,880 KR talk. Vow." 103 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,960 - Oh, really? - Oh, it's in there? 104 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,720 Oh, my God. 105 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,240 "KR intimacy." 106 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840 - KR. That's Keith. - Yep. 107 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,400 The women vow something to Keith. 108 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,600 Their understanding is that he's giving such a gift to them 109 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,040 that they're helping themselves. 110 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,840 They wear a chain to symbolize whatever that vow is. 111 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Yeah, chain. 112 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,200 - Chain. - Mm-hmm. 113 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,280 This is India. 114 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,680 - Aw. - She's so cute. 115 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,160 I love that. That's the India I know. 116 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,640 She's pretending to meditate, right? 117 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,000 -She's got an eye open. -Right, exactly. That's who she was. 118 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,000 She was like the cheeky girl. 119 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,920 That's pre-ESP. 120 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,120 -And then, cult. -That's more recent. Yeah. 121 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,080 And I was really worried about her behavior there, actually. 122 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,560 'Cause she was very distracted. 123 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,360 She was on two phones the whole time. 124 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,880 I'm trying to find a reason why. 125 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,480 I thought she was the happiest, 126 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,520 most evolved, well-adjusted child imaginable. 127 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,200 How about that's why? 128 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,920 -They're the people they go for. -What? 129 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,320 Yeah People keep trying to fucking tell me it's because you're deficient, 130 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 and you're weird and you're damaged and you're vulnerable. 131 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,560 No, they go for the people who are successful, 132 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,600 easy people to get along with. 133 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Capable of doing things. That's, that's who they want to run their cult. 134 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:05,160 Especially if you're trying to get credibility. Look at this. 135 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,640 -She's beautiful. -Mm-hmm. 136 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 They go after beautiful people, too. 137 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:18,800 People don't understand what it's like to be in this thing. 138 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,120 Like, how could you, you know? 139 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,440 And that's why I think people getting to tell their story 140 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,720 is the most important thing. 141 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,600 Since leaving DOS, I've noticed that it's easy for people 142 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,120 to put things in categories. 143 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,200 Like this is all bad, or this is all good. 144 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,720 And I tend to keep weighing 145 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,800 the complexities of this whole situation. 146 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,480 What is manipulation and what is consent? 147 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,560 What motivations are pure? 148 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,280 And the reason I don't want you to know my real name 149 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,360 or see my real face, 150 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,640 is that I don't want to be defined 151 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,280 by those who would judge me for the choices that I made. 152 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,000 Anyone can make the decisions that I made. 153 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Anyone can be Jane. 154 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,040 So, I'm just gonna start from the very beginning... 155 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,600 before I became a part of DOS. 156 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,720 I was living in New York City trying to make it and hustle 157 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 as a freelance filmmaker. 158 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,760 And I had been getting work, 159 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,480 but I wasn't necessarily getting any happier. 160 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,800 I would wake up unsure why there still was something lacking. 161 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 And I felt lonely. 162 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Struggling with certain friendships with women. 163 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,200 But things changed when I met Rachel. 164 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:09,120 I wanted to make a documentary about a female urban farmer. 165 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,040 And someone told me, "I know exactly who you're looking for." 166 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,480 She was so honest and seemed so comfortable in her skin. 167 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,720 We had this immediate connection. 168 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,680 It sounds kind of simple, 169 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,960 but I really liked her as a person and I wanted her in my life. 170 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,520 She said, "There's something that I'm involved in 171 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,640 "that I think you would be really interested in. 172 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,240 "And it's really changed my life. 173 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,720 "But before I share it with you, it's very confidential, 174 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,080 "and I need you to come up with some collateral 175 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,920 "to prove that you won't share 176 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,960 any of this information with anyone else." 177 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,720 And I was like, "Are you kidding me?" 178 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,200 She said, "What are you so scared of? 179 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,800 "If you trusted your word, you could put this stuff easily down 180 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,920 "and know that you would never break it. 181 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,160 "Can you see how this is potentially why 182 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,800 "you're failing in other areas of your life? 183 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 You just can't trust yourself." 184 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:22,600 So, I gave her videos and photos. 185 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,040 A letter to my brother about his girlfriend cheating on him. 186 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,200 And passwords to all of my social media accounts. 187 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,320 She accepted that. 188 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,560 And then she told me about DOS. 189 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,640 But she called it "the vow." 190 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,000 It was a vow to grow beyond your excuses, 191 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,600 and challenge all of your fears. 192 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,880 And to accept her as, like, my teacher and my guide. 193 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,360 But it would be under the name of something a bit more controversial 194 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,200 which was "master" and "slave." 195 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,760 And that definitely threw me. 196 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,600 I'm surprised. This is a black woman who's agreed to do this. 197 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,080 And I'm a little shocked that this is something she's accepting. 198 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,720 And she said, "You know, trust me. 199 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,680 I've worked through a lot of reactions to this." 200 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,280 And then she said, "You know, you're already a slave to your fear. 201 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,960 "What we need to be stronger women in the world 202 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,840 "is to focus on what are you afraid of 203 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,640 "and how can you break those fears? 204 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,880 "So, you'll be my slave, but it will be for you." 205 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,240 She was giving me an opportunity 206 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,840 to be a friend to a woman in a really deep way. 207 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,560 Offering me this world of being honest with myself. 208 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,440 And happy with my life. 209 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,400 I couldn't say no. 210 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,520 So, I moved to Albany for two weeks, 211 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,560 which then turned into four weeks. 212 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,520 And then I just stayed. 213 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,720 That's how it began. 214 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,560 She asked me to make a list of goals. 215 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,600 One of them was lose weight. 216 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,120 And she said, "I'm also consulting with my Master, 217 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,200 "who is your Grandmaster, 218 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,120 "and we think that this is a very good place to start. 219 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,000 "Losing weight is like the most tangible way 220 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,080 "for you to see your limitations. 221 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,640 It's just one doorway into your growth." 222 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,880 And that's when the calorie counting began. 223 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,760 I had to request for all of my calories. 224 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 "Master, may I please have 84 calories?" 225 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,240 "Master, may I please have 92 calories?" 226 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,240 "I want to build a relationship with my body 227 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,600 "that is loving, kind, present and aware. 228 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 "To not use food as a way of escaping my discomfort. 229 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,960 "It is something that I'll have to work at consistently 230 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,920 to develop myself." 231 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,360 A typical day in Albany was waking up at 6:00 a.m., 232 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,800 doing a one- to two-minute cold shower, 233 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,640 and then a meditation or, like, journaling. 234 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,440 Make breakfast, measure everything. 235 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,920 Take a picture of it. Ask permission for my calories. 236 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,320 I would do editing work that I had been getting freelance. 237 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,640 Get lunch, measuring my calories. 238 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,680 More work, and throughout the day, 239 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,600 being ready for readiness drills. 240 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Which is when you get a text from your Master. 241 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,840 You respond "RM," which is "Ready, Master." 242 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,160 You have to respond within a minute. 243 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,360 And you had to be ready any time of day for that. 244 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,360 It was about having people that I had to be accountable to, 245 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,280 and a routine of things that you try to get done every day. 246 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Things that you told yourself you wanted to do. 247 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,200 And there was something about it that was really fun. 248 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Like, I have the Force behind me. It's like Jedi training. 249 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,800 "I'm taking on the process of discipline 250 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,280 "because I want to trust myself to do what I say I will do, 251 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,080 "no matter how bad or uncomfortable it feels. 252 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,120 "I want to be someone my friends can rely on, 253 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,760 "and be the kind of person who I admire. 254 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,840 "This is a lifelong commitment. No turning back." 255 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,600 Through this whole experience, 256 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,960 I don't have the full picture of what DOS is. 257 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,960 I don't know how many women are in it, 258 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,680 and Rachel makes it very clear that I am under no circumstances 259 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,480 to speak to anyone about it. 260 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,640 And she said, "You'll get to find out who your Grandmaster is, 261 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,000 but you need to prove yourself." 262 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,200 Before I met you, somebody had asked me in an interview 263 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:20,320 what I wanted to do in, you know, my career, like, 264 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,880 if I could do one thing, what would I do. 265 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,880 And I said I wanted to change the way that young women 266 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,560 thought and felt about themselves. 267 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,000 I felt like I knew what I didn't want to be, 268 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,080 but I didn't know what to supplant that with. 269 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,160 Allison was really interesting to me. 270 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,960 She seemed very self-aware, 271 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:42,760 and honest about her own flaws. 272 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,000 I guess given the nature of where I feel I am right now in my own journey, 273 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,240 I feel like such a young student on this path. 274 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,840 She was very sweet to me. 275 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,520 There was a sort of pampering she would do. 276 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,680 I remember she took me to New York City. 277 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,280 She took me shopping. 278 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,760 And she got me to get, like, really thin jeans. 279 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,120 It sort of felt like having an older sister 280 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,800 make you up, or something. 281 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,400 At this point, I'm guessing that Allison is Rachel's Master, 282 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,240 and my Grandmaster. 283 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,120 She would talk about this all-women collective 284 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,000 to build a better self, 285 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,600 and make a better world through that process. 286 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,040 We could be, like, thousands of women. 287 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,520 We could be millions of women doing this. 288 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Which is a beautiful mission. 289 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,720 And now I know that there are other women. 290 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,040 This is the wonderful and amazing India. 291 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,960 -Are you happy? -I am happy. 292 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,000 Yay! 293 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,880 India was the first woman who was revealed to be, 294 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,760 like, one of my aunties. 295 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,480 She was in DOS, under Allison. 296 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,680 Meeting India for the first time, 297 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,160 I remember I was really charmed by her. 298 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,240 Jesus, you're gonna kill it. 299 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:19,440 And so relieved to have somebody to talk to about DOS. 300 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,680 So I felt very close with her. 301 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:39,680 Yeah, I do come from a really bizarre background. 302 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,680 My grandma, she's a princess. 303 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,200 She's related to the British Royal Family 304 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:46,080 and the czars of Russia... 305 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,440 And then I come from a whole different side, 306 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,280 which is more modern and Hollywood. 307 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,400 My parents are from that business. 308 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,600 Hi, Daddy. 309 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,360 -Have a good night, darling. -I love you, Mommy 310 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,720 I think my background and how I was raised, 311 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,120 it's a privilege. 312 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,600 And I always thought, "What do you, what do you do with that?" 313 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,520 I think a lot of people have stigmas of what it means 314 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 to come from those types of families. 315 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,480 But it's not necessarily true. 316 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,680 Like, people want to be better. 317 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,640 They want to do good things in the world. 318 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,280 And that's kind of what I always wanted to do. 319 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Figure out what I think is good, 320 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,040 and use whatever privilege I had 321 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,320 to express those things. 322 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,400 So, I just spoke to India. 323 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,160 She thinks there's no victims in this story. 324 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,440 Everyone can make their own decisions, 325 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,400 and it's consensual, and she should be allowed to live her lifestyle. 326 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,440 And I just asked her point-blank, "Are you branded?" 327 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,960 And she didn't lie. She did admit to being branded. 328 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,040 And that she thought it was wonderful. 329 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,880 She says, "Mom, I've never felt so happy 330 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,320 and purposeful in my life." 331 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,800 Before I had been a part of DOS, 332 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,920 I didn't feel like I had the ability to believe in anything... 333 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,920 other than just buying and using and being in the rat race. 334 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,720 In Albany, we were focusing on something really genuine. 335 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,520 It was so hopeful. 336 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,600 And at the same time, really hard. 337 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,840 Every day, I had to do a failure form 338 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,400 at the end of the day, 339 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,800 looking at all the things that you failed on that day. 340 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480 How did that affect you, your Master, 341 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,680 your Grandmaster, your community of people. 342 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,040 Thinking about how I could be better. 343 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,560 And if you did something bad, 344 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,240 you've made a breach. 345 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,400 Which is sort of like, you've just broken yourself. 346 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Because you did something 347 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,000 that's actually against your own morals and values. 348 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920 And you have to figure out, what is this betrayal, 349 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,840 and then figure out how to fix it. 350 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,480 You have to come up with consequences... 351 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,680 which were called "penances." 352 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,040 "What's the penance for reacting to fear 353 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,560 by indulging in pride and anger?" 354 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,760 I'm gonna wake up at 5:00 a.m. and stand for 10 minutes. 355 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,200 "What's the penance for reacting violently to your own pain?" 356 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,960 Fast the next day. 357 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,880 By taking on these self-inflicted punishments, 358 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,400 I would train myself to not do that behavior anymore. 359 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,960 I was told, "Your lack of obedience 360 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,720 just shows where you're failing." 361 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,880 And I started to wonder if the more obedient I would be, 362 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,200 I would actually start to succeed more in my life. 363 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,640 At this point, I was being asked to 364 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,400 go lower and lower on my weight. 365 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,880 And Rachel asked me for more collateral. 366 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,040 More videos, more photos, more documents. 367 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,440 I said, "This wasn't the initial agreement." 368 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,640 And she was like, "Yes, it was. 369 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,440 "When you said that you accepted me as your Master, 370 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,200 that was you saying, 'I submit to you for everything.'" 371 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,720 You know, "Get used to it. This is gonna be the rest of your life." 372 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,720 And there were a lot of moments where I judged the whole process. 373 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,720 You feel like, "This is ridiculous." 374 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,080 I ended up having some conversations with Allison. 375 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,240 And she said all these things that I was freaking out about 376 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,160 were just fears and limitations that I had. 377 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080 And she said, "You're so conceited. 378 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,200 "Your pride is like cellophane across your eyes. 379 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,920 "And everyone can see it but you. 380 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,520 "There's so much more beyond this, 381 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,280 "but you're not even willing to let go 382 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000 of this attachment to your own ego." 383 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,080 And that was when I had this turning point. 384 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320 I either am gonna keep suffering through this, 385 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,520 or I need to just buck up. 386 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,880 And it was also kind of when I gave up fighting. 387 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,760 As you do these practices, 388 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,160 you overcome fears. 389 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,160 You remove bonds of suffering, and replace them with joy. 390 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,080 You come to have a relationship with human pain, 391 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,080 so that you have a deep conscience. 392 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,160 Because when we have a conscience over something, 393 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,080 it is marked by pain. And that pain is good. 394 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Well, the truth of the matter is, 395 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,760 when pain is no longer tied with suffering... 396 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,960 Yeah, we do have more pain in our life, but no suffering. 397 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,240 This is my porch. 398 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,160 And I love you guys and I miss you, 399 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,360 and I'm sending you a big kiss. 400 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,760 My relationship with India developed over time. 401 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,480 I saw her going through similar things emotionally that I was. 402 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,840 You know, you could tell when someone was crying. 403 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,160 Going through these roller coasters of emotion. 404 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,640 I think the way India changed is the same way I changed. 405 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,480 If I can just push against the things that I feel afraid of, 406 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,080 I think I'll feel a lot more proud of what I leave behind. 407 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,880 India texted me. 408 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,440 She had told me that she hadn't had a period in a year, 409 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,120 and that her hair was falling out. 410 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,240 So, she went to the doctor. 411 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600 And the doctor said, "You have the uterine lining of a woman 412 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,120 "who's in her mid-40s. 413 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,440 "You're severely compromising your ability 414 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600 "to perhaps ever reproduce. 415 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,080 And you need serious psychiatric care." 416 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,960 I think that Nippy and I felt responsible in some ways 417 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,160 for getting India out, 418 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,840 because we were there for her first intro, 419 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,120 for her first five-day. 420 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,840 We were part of the team that was ushering her in. 421 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,720 So, when I got a call from Catherine, 422 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,960 I told her that we'd do whatever we could 423 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,520 to help get India back. 424 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Now that I have been given enough information, 425 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,080 I can see how the whole thing mapped out, 426 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,560 because Bonnie said to me that Keith always had his eye on her. 427 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,360 Signaling her from across the room... "Hey, India" 428 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,560 Like, always trying to get her attention. 429 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,040 And that her instinct was to stay away. 430 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,800 And then, all that shifted, and she said to her, 431 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,520 "Oh, I just went on a walk with Keith." 432 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480 And she was, like, all googly-eyed and... 433 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,800 So he's got his hooks into her, and she's no longer resisting. 434 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,880 He basically manipulated this whole thing from the beginning. 435 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,000 Because then Allie Mack went on this kind of crusade 436 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,200 to befriend her and get her away from Bonnie... 437 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,880 - is what I understand. - Mentor her. 438 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,120 "Mentor her," yeah, into Keith's bed. 439 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,000 I will do whatever I can to get India out. I promise you. 440 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,120 I really do believe we can get her out. 441 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,200 I honestly... I don't know how. 442 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,480 Allison was just so excited for me to meet Keith. 443 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,800 It was like, "You gotta meet Keith. 444 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120 Come to volleyball." 445 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,520 She sort of inspires me to go ask him a question. 446 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,400 She said, "You know, I think it'd be really good for you two to talk." 447 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760 The reason why you feel fear is because it's not familiar. 448 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240 And the unknown is scary. 449 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920 And some of the consequences are harsh. 450 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,440 You can feel awful. 451 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,280 You can feel all sorts of things, and still do the right thing. 452 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,400 An act of character, you feel all those emotions, 453 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,720 and there's a part of you that is unflappable. 454 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760 Absolutely committed. 455 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,440 And the first time you feel it, it's great. 456 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,040 If you want to be a millionaire of joy, 457 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,560 look at these things as 458 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,560 positive affirmations that you're on the road. 459 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Thank you. 460 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,600 I would take these classes that were life changing. 461 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640 And I was like, "Oh, this came from this man's mind." 462 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440 I always feel funny. Thank you. 463 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360 So I was very active in pursuing him. 464 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,840 I was like, "I wanna be your friend." 465 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,280 You know, "If I'm gonna learn, I wanna learn from you." 466 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,360 I felt like I was learning from him 467 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,600 and he was helping me understanding things about myself. 468 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,520 And that sort of continued on the more I took curriculum. 469 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440 Our understanding of ourselves as women has been muddled, 470 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,960 because our culture and our language has been dominated 471 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,800 by the male principle. 472 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,920 I heard about Jness from Rachel. 473 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,440 It was offered solely to women 474 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,280 to explore how gender influences our role in society, 475 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,040 and our relationships. 476 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400 It's gonna take a long time to change 477 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,200 the indoctrination that kind of goes underneath that. 478 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,080 It's a societally induced problem. 479 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,800 Jness helped inform 480 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520 why we were doing what we were doing in DOS: 481 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920 to teach women what female empowerment looks like 482 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,280 outside of a male-dominated world. 483 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,880 When women come out of Jness, 484 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,240 they are more understanding of the conflict 485 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,120 that men and women have. 486 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920 That does not mean they have to be submissive, 487 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480 but they actually are going to have to fight for their point of view. 488 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,480 And I think that's new languaging for women. 489 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,240 Jness was based on Keith's ideas, 490 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,440 but the person who started it was a woman named Pam Cafritz. 491 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,720 She was a life partner to Keith. 492 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,720 Keith asked me to film Pam. 493 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320 She was already dying of cancer 494 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,480 when I met her. 495 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,360 I was there when they announced Pam's death. 496 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440 I made the memorial video. 497 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,160 She could see all the things that I didn't want to 498 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,680 or couldn't see in myself. 499 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,160 She would say, 500 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960 "You don't have to choose that conventional path." 501 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,000 It was like she predetermined my potential. 502 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680 So, I miss you, Pam. 503 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,520 I'll keep practicing. 504 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,360 Pam believed in Keith and was 100% on board. 505 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,480 - Like 100% trust. - Mm-hmm. 506 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,960 That it was good and that he knew what was right, 507 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,160 and that... 508 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,880 that it really could happen. 509 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,560 Pam truly had a connection to what women bring to the world. 510 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,400 That is so undervalued. 511 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,000 She saw Jness as the key to unlocking the power that they truly held. 512 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,920 And she loved relationships. 513 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,720 And Jness focuses on teaching women how to be friends with each other. 514 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400 I was looking through all of this footage 515 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920 of people talking about how much she meant to them, 516 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480 and how much she loved Keith. 517 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,280 I was getting to know Pam, 518 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480 and to know Keith through Pam. 519 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,760 I met Pamela about 30 years ago on a ski slope. 520 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080 I think I was 26. 521 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,720 He started explaining where he wanted to go, 522 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,920 and what he wanted to do, and I remember just looking at him 523 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840 and, you know, sensing he was different. 524 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,440 He said, "Follow me." 525 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360 And I said, "Okay." 526 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600 You're blazing a trail. We're blazing a trail. 527 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,720 It's gonna be walked on by, hopefully, millions of people. 528 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160 When I created the modules, I thought, 529 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,920 many, many people will be going trotting through these modules. 530 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,680 And hopefully, people will come to have a deeper understanding. 531 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,280 That's what this is for. 532 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,560 That was a huge turning point in my relationship to Keith. 533 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,720 When I was little, I'd always look back 534 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,520 at the different heroes into history, 535 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,040 and say, "Gee, I wish I could be there, 536 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,840 wish I could be there, wish I could do that." 537 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,640 And then coming to the recognition 538 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,280 that now is such a time, and we are here. 539 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600 And we are doing it. 540 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,640 And all provided by all of your support. 541 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,360 I would never imagine that we could bring a group together 542 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,000 and we all stand together. 543 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,720 And if you believe I've done something good, 544 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,200 that's important, because I always want to earn my authority. 545 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,240 Thank you so much. 546 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,160 The dude is the leader of this philosophical movement 547 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,280 when men and women alike are looking at him with admiration, 548 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,880 because he really had changed their lives. 549 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,320 But I had no notions that he was any god 550 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,400 or demigod. 551 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,320 He felt familiar. 552 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,040 And he said, "You can understand things 553 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,520 "that I'm explaining to you much faster than other people. 554 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,360 And that's really nice for me." 555 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,800 And I felt very flattered that he thought I was special, 556 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,360 and that he wanted to spend time with me. 557 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,440 I remember I was at volleyball after everyone had left. 558 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640 And he was asking me about how I saw relationships. 559 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440 And how I wanted to relate to him. 560 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,200 And he would always ask me, "Well, what do you want? What do you want?" 561 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,120 Always asking what do I want. 562 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,720 And I was like, "I don't know. 563 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,400 "I would like to learn from you as a person. 564 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,880 "I don't necessarily think that needs to be physical, 565 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,320 but I'm open." 566 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,160 And we kissed. 567 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,720 That was when it became more of a physical relationship with him. 568 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,960 But it was not until I lost a certain amount of weight 569 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,360 that we actually had sex. 570 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,840 He would bring me to this little library. 571 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,080 It was basically like his study. 572 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,800 And there's, like, a little loft bed. 573 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,520 We'd have these, like, moments in time. 574 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,760 And I would just kind of feel loopy afterwards. 575 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,600 Nauseous and shaky. 576 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,000 Strange in my body. 577 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,000 You know, I would ask him about it. 578 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,800 He was like, "You know, some people are just 579 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200 "really, really sensitive to energy. 580 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,240 And what I'm doing is I'm giving you a lot of energy." 581 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160 Allison knew about my relationship with Keith. 582 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,680 She would say things like, 583 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000 "Well, I know that Keith is working with you on body stuff. 584 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,840 "And some people get really confused about that. 585 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160 But he's really just trying to help people." 586 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,160 He told me a lot of things, 587 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,520 and I would ask him why he trusted me. 588 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,120 And he said, "The reason I felt so close to you 589 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,640 was because you had given so much collateral." 590 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,760 And it was then that he told me he was the head of DOS. 591 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520 He said, "I know what it is that you've been doing, 592 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,800 "and it was my idea. I created it. 593 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,000 "Allison is my slave, 594 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,760 "and I am technically your great Grandmaster. 595 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440 And no one will ever really know that I'm involved." 596 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,960 And I was like, "So, does that mean you can command me to do anything?" 597 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,040 And he said, "I could. But I'm not going to." 598 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,840 His explanation of why he created DOS 599 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,720 was that he saw women being thwarted 600 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,720 by men in positions of power 601 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,960 when they tried to make a difference in the world. 602 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,680 He explained that it could be used to serve a larger vision. 603 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,960 To mobilize the things we had been learning personally 604 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,080 and apply them to the outside world. 605 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,160 And, yeah, it crossed my mind that it could be used for harm, 606 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,400 but I wanted to believe. 607 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,400 And it just comes down to that. 608 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680 I wanted to believe he was good. 609 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,840 I don't know what will happen to get India out of there 610 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,480 if she's truly intimate with Keith 611 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320 and he's got this Svengali hold over her. 612 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,080 My mind constantly goes to, 613 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,480 there's gotta be a way. There's a gotta be a way. 614 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040 And I don't know what that way is. 615 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,640 Everything they do is intentional. 616 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,440 And it's posing as human growth... 617 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400 character building, bonding. 618 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680 And then they think they have the moral high ground. 619 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,800 -Yeah. Yeah. -That's what pissed me off the most. 620 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,840 Get the fuck off the moral high ground. 621 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,080 I wanna text Lauren, Nancy, and Keith. 622 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,280 And I want to say, "Listen, you're gonna destroy all the collateral. 623 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,680 "I'm gonna go to the police. I'm gonna go to the FBI. 624 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,760 Or I'm gonna come up there..." 625 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,600 I'm not gonna say that, but... 626 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,880 If I didn't have a wife and kid, I think I'd be in jail right now. 627 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,400 'Cause I was gonna destroy that fuckin' place. 628 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520 When I started doing research, like, why brand? 629 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,800 When a human being goes through that, 630 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,360 you're actually forcing a dissociative state. 631 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,280 That you literally belong... 632 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,320 to another human being. 633 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,360 Do you want to see it? 634 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,800 I've actually seen pictures of your brand. 635 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,240 But if you want to show me, I will, I will see it. 636 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120 We don't have to do it right now, do we? 637 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,240 Yeah. 638 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,240 Yeah. 639 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,160 Frank Parlato used to work for Keith and NXIVM. 640 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,400 He left on bad terms, and the company went after him. 641 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,840 To fight back, he created a blog called the "Frank Report" 642 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,400 to share news he was hearing about NXIVM. 643 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,720 Back then, I was very wary of him. 644 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,720 We knew there was another branding ceremony 645 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,200 that was about to happen. 646 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,640 For Catherine, the hope was that India might even read it, 647 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,960 and realize, "Holy shit, this is, this is bad." 648 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,400 It was like, we cannot wait. 649 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480 We have to get this story out, 650 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080 and Frank will report it. 651 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,760 I decided to tell Frank about the branding. 652 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,000 It was pretty terrifying. 653 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,360 But my name wasn't attached, so I felt safe. 654 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,600 And by this point, I was kind of like... 655 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,200 a vigilante on a mission. 656 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,880 I was so angry. I was like, "Fuck you. 657 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600 You fuckin' messed with the wrong person." 658 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,320 When Frank came out with the news, 659 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840 it sent the whole organization into a panic. 660 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000 A lot of people began asking questions. 661 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,920 And that was the idea. 662 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,320 It's not just to expose what was going on. 663 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,000 It was also about just getting people to leave. 664 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,720 Getting people away from danger. 665 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,920 When the "Frank Report" came out, I was in shock. 666 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,280 I didn't know about the branding, or Keith's initials on the brand. 667 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,280 I started, for the first time, 668 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,640 to realize that things were not as they seemed. 669 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,600 Then I found out about an assignment 670 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,280 that a friend of mine had been given: 671 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,120 to seduce Keith, and take a picture 672 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,600 to show that they'd completed the task. 673 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,800 And I have a huge freak-out. 674 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,920 And Keith got on the phone with me. 675 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,600 He said, "Are you okay?" I was like, "No. I feel pretty unsafe." 676 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,560 He was like, "Unsafe with me?" I was like, "Yes." 677 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,000 And I wanted answers from him. 678 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960 If something is so good, 679 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,160 how could it have gotten this bad? 680 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,720 He said, "Different Masters have different approaches 681 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,920 with their slaves." 682 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,360 And I have to respect that. 683 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,720 Which didn't make sense to me. 684 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,720 I kept asking questions about why this was okay. 685 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,640 And his arguments were all framed around 686 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,520 what I wanted and what I was scared of. 687 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,960 And yet, he didn't answer my questions. 688 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,200 He's such a good salesman. 689 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,920 And the longer I talked to him, 690 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,680 the more I realized the depth of the deception. 691 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960 It was about control. 692 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,160 At the time, I hadn't shared anything with anyone. 693 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,120 And there was this woman who I knew was in DOS. 694 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,400 We make a plan that we're gonna spend some time and talk. 695 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800 I just sort of dumped everything. 696 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400 And I just remember the horrified look on her face. 697 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,920 I hadn't thought of myself as having been traumatized 698 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,120 until that moment. 699 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,200 I was sort of like, "Well, what do we do?" 700 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,640 And she was like, "We fucking leave" 701 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,280 This option was opened. 702 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,440 "Oh, that is something that I can do." 703 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,800 I was terrified about my collateral. 704 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,480 But I just wanted out. 705 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,560 So, we made a plan to leave together. 706 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,680 I ended up talking to India before I left. 707 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,840 I asked her to go on a walk with me. 708 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640 She said, you know, "I heard you're leaving." 709 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,160 I was like, "Yes." 710 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,400 She said, "Well, I'm gonna miss you." 711 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,160 I was asking her how she felt about what people were saying. 712 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,600 And she said, "You know, I don't feel like a victim. 713 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,600 "I'm going through tough shit but I feel like I'm stronger. 714 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,200 "And I feel really cared for. 715 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,280 And so, my experience is really different." 716 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,480 She seemed very confident 717 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960 that what she was doing was the right thing. 718 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,840 And she said, "I hope you... 719 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,320 you know, find what you're looking for." 720 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,280 When you leave something like this, 721 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600 you're not just losing your memories, 722 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,960 or your community. 723 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,400 You're losing this idea of what you were fighting for, too. 724 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,480 And that's really hard to rebuild. 725 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,960 The only authority that can lead your life is you. 726 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080 And I'm just grateful that I know what it's like 727 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,720 to give that away... 728 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,160 so that I can feel the power of taking it back again. 729 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,800 There's no way with a child that I've known for 26 years, 730 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,760 that she would be involved, condone, 731 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,600 the things that she's participating in right now. 732 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,160 There's no way. 733 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,160 She's convinced herself that being branded 734 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480 with some man's initials, 735 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,680 and being recruited for sex... 736 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680 that that's a good thing and this is character building. 737 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,120 This organization has taken my child. 738 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,240 And I will do whatever it takes... to get her back. 65387

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