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My first goal was "get out."
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My plan was toleave ESP quietly.
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It was just about escaping.
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Preservation of my family.
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But when I realized how many womenthat I'd brought to the community,
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who were in DOS,
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I mean, that was a whole,
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a whole different level
of, "what the fuck?"
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I decided to start callingpeople and getting them out.
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And part of that was to make surethere weren't more branding sessions.
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I brought in so many people to ESP,
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so I feel a responsibility.
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You need to email her,
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and say, "You enrolled me
into this based on a lie.
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"I want my photos back,
I want my videos back,
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before I go to a lawyer."
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You have a feeling, like,get the fuck out of here.
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Those feelings are there to protect
you. It's part of being human.
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You're going to be okay,
and the question for you is,
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do you want to help
get other people out?
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When you start telling people,
they're going to be outraged.
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"You agreed to being a slave?"
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"Yeah, but it was an exercise."
To be a slave?
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What do you... There's no exercise.
You are now somebody's slave.
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What does that even fucking mean?
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Right. So then I think what we'll
do is, we'll talk to Catherine.
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Okay, great.
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The parents are the wayto get to the kids.
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Yep.
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Mom, hi.
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I got a call from Bonnie,
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who was involved in NXIVM.
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And she said that she was
extremely worried about India.
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That she... India had been
one of her closest friends.
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And she said,
"You need to save her."
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I was like, "Well,I always assumed that
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"India would wake upone day on her own,
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"and I wanted torespect her and not
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criticize her life choice."
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But she said,"You know, Catherine,
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I don't know if you know what'sreally going on right now."
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And apparently, there's asecret organization within NXIVM.
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It's a supposed sisterhood.
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They sign a lifetime vowof obedience.
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They have to provide blackmail
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that would compromise them
or their families,
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and they're branding girls.
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Yes.
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I mean, it's so far...
This is not my child.
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This is not anything
that my child would do.
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I felt like India
was my little sister.
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I first met her at an intro
that Mark and Sarah were doing.
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For us, it's really helpful to know
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who you are,
and what it is that you want.
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She was very sweet,but she was quite shy.
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And I really liked her.But we didn't get close
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until she started spendingmore time doing ESP stuff.
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My belief in myself.
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I think I'm scared of...
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not doing well.
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In the beginning,I felt that she was
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settling for, like,a small life.
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And as she continued in ESP,she started blossoming.
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I never pushedthe stripe path on her,
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but when she expressedthat she might want to do it,
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I wanted to take herunder my wing
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and guide her throughthat process.
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I thought we could dothis journey together.
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But I started to see reallyconcerning behavior with India.
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I noticed she wascounting calories.
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It seemed likeshe was starving herself.
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I would catch her in lies,which was strange to me.
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And then, she told me thatshe was gonna move to Albany.
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That she'd been working ona secret project
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with Keith and Allison.
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I believe India's in danger.
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So I got in touchwith Catherine.
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I never go through
people's stuff.
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So I'm very conflicted,
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because I'm violatingher privacy right now.
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But, if any of this informationcould actually help us get her out,
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I'm willing to do that.
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- April of 2016.
- Okay.
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So, had she moved there yet?
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I believe she moved
to Albany in May.
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She started going to intensives
there and just kind of stayed there.
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There's a bunch of notes
that she wrote,
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so I don't know if any of this stuff
could give us some insight into...
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- Can I see this bottom?
- Yeah. Look at all of this.
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"Personal mission statement
for the rest of my life.
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"Willing to put in the effort to
make things better for the future,
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"because you have a vision
for the world.
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"Willing to put in the work now,
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and protect the innocence
in the world."
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I will not be the kind of woman
who spends my life believing..."
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Is that "fact" or "fear"?
See?
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"Believing fear"?
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Here she says,
"What is my motivation?
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"How will I use the tool
of a low-cal diet
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"to build the me that I want?
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"Plan attachment collateral
write-up.
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KR talk. Vow."
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- Oh, really?
- Oh, it's in there?
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Oh, my God.
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"KR intimacy."
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- KR. That's Keith.
- Yep.
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The women vow something to Keith.
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Their understanding is that
he's giving such a gift to them
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that they're helping themselves.
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They wear a chain to symbolize
whatever that vow is.
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Yeah, chain.
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- Chain.
- Mm-hmm.
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This is India.
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- Aw.
- She's so cute.
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I love that.
That's the India I know.
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She's pretending to meditate, right?
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-She's got an eye open.
-Right, exactly. That's who she was.
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She was like the cheeky girl.
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That's pre-ESP.
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-And then, cult.
-That's more recent. Yeah.
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And I was really worried about
her behavior there, actually.
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'Cause she was very distracted.
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She was on two phones
the whole time.
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I'm trying to find a reason why.
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I thought she was the happiest,
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most evolved,
well-adjusted child imaginable.
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How about that's why?
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-They're the people they go for.
-What?
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Yeah People keep trying to fucking tell
me it's because you're deficient,
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and you're weird and you're
damaged and you're vulnerable.
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No, they go for the people
who are successful,
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easy people to get along with.
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Capable of doing things. That's, that's
who they want to run their cult.
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Especially if you're trying to
get credibility. Look at this.
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-She's beautiful.
-Mm-hmm.
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They go after beautiful people, too.
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People don't understandwhat it's like to be in this thing.
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Like, how could you, you know?
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And that's why I think peoplegetting to tell their story
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is the most important thing.
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Since leaving DOS, I've noticed thatit's easy for people
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to put things in categories.
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Like this is all bad,or this is all good.
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And I tend to keep weighing
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the complexities ofthis whole situation.
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What is manipulationand what is consent?
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What motivations are pure?
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And the reason I don't wantyou to know my real name
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or see my real face,
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is that I don'twant to be defined
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by those who would judge mefor the choices that I made.
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Anyone can makethe decisions that I made.
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Anyone can be Jane.
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So, I'm just gonna startfrom the very beginning...
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before I becamea part of DOS.
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I was living in New York Citytrying to make it and hustle
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as a freelance filmmaker.
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And I had been getting work,
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but I wasn't necessarilygetting any happier.
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I would wake up unsure why therestill was something lacking.
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And I felt lonely.
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Struggling with certainfriendships with women.
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But things changedwhen I met Rachel.
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I wanted to make a documentaryabout a female urban farmer.
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And someone told me, "I knowexactly who you're looking for."
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She was so honest and seemedso comfortable in her skin.
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We had thisimmediate connection.
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It sounds kind of simple,
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but I really liked her as a personand I wanted her in my life.
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She said, "There's somethingthat I'm involved in
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"that I think you would bereally interested in.
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"And it's reallychanged my life.
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"But before I share it with you,it's very confidential,
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"and I need you tocome up with some collateral
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"to prove that you won't share
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any of this informationwith anyone else."
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And I was like,"Are you kidding me?"
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She said,"What are you so scared of?
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"If you trusted your word, youcould put this stuff easily down
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"and know that youwould never break it.
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"Can you see how thisis potentially why
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"you're failing in otherareas of your life?
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You just can't trust yourself."
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So, I gave hervideos and photos.
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A letter to my brother abouthis girlfriend cheating on him.
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And passwords to all ofmy social media accounts.
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She accepted that.
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And then shetold me about DOS.
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But she called it "the vow."
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It was a vow to growbeyond your excuses,
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and challenge all of your fears.
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And to accept heras, like, my teacher and my guide.
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But it would be under the name ofsomething a bit more controversial
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which was "master" and "slave."
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And that definitely threw me.
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I'm surprised. This is a black
woman who's agreed to do this.
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And I'm a little shocked that
this is something she's accepting.
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And she said,"You know, trust me.
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I've worked through a lotof reactions to this."
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And then she said, "You know,you're already a slave to your fear.
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"What we need to bestronger women in the world
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"is to focus onwhat are you afraid of
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"and how can youbreak those fears?
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"So, you'll be my slave,
but it will be for you."
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She was giving mean opportunity
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to be a friend to a womanin a really deep way.
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Offering me this world ofbeing honest with myself.
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And happy with my life.
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I couldn't say no.
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So, I moved to Albanyfor two weeks,
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which then turned intofour weeks.
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And then I just stayed.
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That's how it began.
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She asked me tomake a list of goals.
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One of them was lose weight.
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And she said,
"I'm also consulting with my Master,
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"who is your Grandmaster,
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"and we think that this is
a very good place to start.
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"Losing weight is likethe most tangible way
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"for you to see your limitations.
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It's just one doorway
into your growth."
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And that's when the
calorie counting began.
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I had to requestfor all of my calories.
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"Master, may I please have84 calories?"
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"Master, may I please have92 calories?"
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"I want to builda relationship with my body
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"that is loving, kind,present and aware.
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"To not use food as a wayof escaping my discomfort.
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"It is something that I'llhave to work at consistently
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to develop myself."
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A typical day in Albany waswaking up at 6:00 a.m.,
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doing a one- to two-minutecold shower,
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and then a meditationor, like, journaling.
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Make breakfast,measure everything.
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Take a picture of it.Ask permission for my calories.
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I would do editing work thatI had been getting freelance.
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Get lunch,measuring my calories.
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More work,and throughout the day,
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being ready forreadiness drills.
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Which is when you get a text
from your Master.
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You respond "RM,"which is "Ready, Master."
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You have to respondwithin a minute.
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And you had to be readyany time of day for that.
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It was about having peoplethat I had to be accountable to,
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and a routine of things thatyou try to get done every day.
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Things that you told yourselfyou wanted to do.
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And there was somethingabout it that was really fun.
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Like, I have the Force behind me.It's like Jedi training.
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"I'm taking onthe process of discipline
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"because I want to trust myselfto do what I say I will do,
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"no matter how bad oruncomfortable it feels.
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"I want to be someonemy friends can rely on,
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"and be the kind of personwho I admire.
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"This is a lifelong commitment.No turning back."
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Through thiswhole experience,
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I don't have the full pictureof what DOS is.
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I don't know how manywomen are in it,
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and Rachel makes it very clearthat I am under no circumstances
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to speak to anyone about it.
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And she said, "You'll get tofind out who your Grandmaster is,
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but you need toprove yourself."
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Before I met you,
somebody had asked me in an interview
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what I wanted to do in,
you know, my career, like,
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if I could do one thing,
what would I do.
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And I said I wanted to change
the way that young women
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thought and felt about themselves.
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I felt like I knew what
I didn't want to be,
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but I didn't know what to
supplant that with.
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Allison was really
interesting to me.
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She seemed very self-aware,
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and honestabout her own flaws.
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I guess given the nature of where I
feel I am right now in my own journey,
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I feel like such
a young student on this path.
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She was very sweet to me.
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There was a sort of pamperingshe would do.
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I remember she took meto New York City.
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She took me shopping.
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And she got me to get,like, really thin jeans.
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It sort of felt likehaving an older sister
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make you up, or something.
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At this point, I'm guessingthat Allison is Rachel's Master,
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and my Grandmaster.
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She would talk aboutthis all-women collective
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to build a better self,
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and make a better worldthrough that process.
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We could be, like,thousands of women.
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We could be millionsof women doing this.
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Which is a beautiful mission.
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And now I know thatthere are other women.
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This is the wonderful
and amazing India.
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-Are you happy?
-I am happy.
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Yay!
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India was the first womanwho was revealed to be,
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like, one of my aunties.
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She was in DOS, under Allison.
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Meeting Indiafor the first time,
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I remember I was reallycharmed by her.
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Jesus, you're gonna kill it.
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And so relieved to havesomebody to talk to about DOS.
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So I feltvery close with her.
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Yeah, I do come from a reallybizarre background.
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My grandma, she's a princess.
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She's related tothe British Royal Family
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and the czars of Russia...
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And then I come froma whole different side,
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which is more modernand Hollywood.
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My parents are fromthat business.
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Hi, Daddy.
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-Have a good night, darling.
-I love you, Mommy
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I think my backgroundand how I was raised,
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it's a privilege.
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And I always thought, "What do you,
what do you do with that?"
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I think a lot of people havestigmas of what it means
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to come fromthose types of families.
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But it's not necessarily true.
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Like, people want to be better.
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They want to do good thingsin the world.
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And that's kind of what
I always wanted to do.
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Figure out whatI think is good,
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and use whateverprivilege I had
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to express those things.
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So, I just spoke to India.
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She thinks there's
no victims in this story.
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Everyone can make
their own decisions,
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and it's consensual, and she should
be allowed to live her lifestyle.
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And I just asked her point-blank,
"Are you branded?"
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And she didn't lie.
She did admit to being branded.
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And that she thought
it was wonderful.
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She says,
"Mom, I've never felt so happy
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and purposeful in my life."
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Before I had beena part of DOS,
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I didn't feel like I had theability to believe in anything...
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other than just buying and usingand being in the rat race.
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In Albany, we were focusingon something really genuine.
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It was so hopeful.
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And at the same time,really hard.
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Every day, I had to doa failure form
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at the end of the day,
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looking at all the thingsthat you failed on that day.
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How did that affect you,your Master,
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your Grandmaster,your community of people.
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Thinking about howI could be better.
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And if you did something bad,
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you've made a breach.
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Which is sort of like,you've just broken yourself.
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Because you did something
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that's actually againstyour own morals and values.
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And you have to figure out,
what is this betrayal,
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and then figure out how to fix it.
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You have to come up
with consequences...
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which were called"penances."
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"What's the penancefor reacting to fear
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by indulging in prideand anger?"
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I'm gonna wake up at 5:00 a.m.and stand for 10 minutes.
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"What's the penance for reactingviolently to your own pain?"
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Fast the next day.
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By taking on theseself-inflicted punishments,
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I would train myself to notdo that behavior anymore.
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I was told,"Your lack of obedience
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just shows whereyou're failing."
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And I started to wonder ifthe more obedient I would be,
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I would actually start tosucceed more in my life.
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At this point,I was being asked to
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go lower and loweron my weight.
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And Rachel asked mefor more collateral.
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More videos, more photos,more documents.
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I said, "This wasn't
the initial agreement."
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And she was like, "Yes, it was.
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"When you said that youaccepted me as your Master,
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that was you saying,'I submit to you for everything.'"
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You know, "Get used to it. Thisis gonna be the rest of your life."
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And there were a lot of momentswhere I judged the whole process.
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You feel like,"This is ridiculous."
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I ended up having someconversations with Allison.
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And she said all these thingsthat I was freaking out about
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were just fears and limitationsthat I had.
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And she said,"You're so conceited.
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"Your pride is like cellophaneacross your eyes.
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"And everyone cansee it but you.
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"There's so much morebeyond this,
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"but you're not evenwilling to let go
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of this attachmentto your own ego."
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And that was whenI had this turning point.
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I either am gonnakeep suffering through this,
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or I need to just buck up.
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And it was also kind of
when I gave up fighting.
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As you do these practices,
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you overcome fears.
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You remove bonds of suffering,
and replace them with joy.
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You come to have a relationship
with human pain,
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so that you have a deep conscience.
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Because when we have
a conscience over something,
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it is marked by pain.
And that pain is good.
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Well, the truth of the matter is,
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when pain is no longer
tied with suffering...
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Yeah, we do have more pain
in our life, but no suffering.
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This is my porch.
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And I love you guys and I miss you,
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and I'm sending you a big kiss.
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My relationship with Indiadeveloped over time.
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I saw her going through similarthings emotionally that I was.
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You know, you could tellwhen someone was crying.
403
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Going through theseroller coasters of emotion.
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I think the way India changedis the same way I changed.
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If I can just push against
the things that I feel afraid of,
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I think I'll feel a lot more
proud of what I leave behind.
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India texted me.
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She had told me that shehadn't had a period in a year,
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and that her hairwas falling out.
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So, she went to the doctor.
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And the doctor said, "You have theuterine lining of a woman
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"who's in her mid-40s.
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"You're severelycompromising your ability
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"to perhaps ever reproduce.
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And you need serious
psychiatric care."
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I think that Nippy and I feltresponsible in some ways
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for getting India out,
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because we were therefor her first intro,
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for her first five-day.
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We were part of the teamthat was ushering her in.
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So, when I got a callfrom Catherine,
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I told her thatwe'd do whatever we could
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to help get India back.
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Now that I have been
given enough information,
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I can see how the whole thing
mapped out,
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because Bonnie said to me that
Keith always had his eye on her.
427
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Signaling her from across
the room... "Hey, India"
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Like, always trying to get
her attention.
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And that her instinct
was to stay away.
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00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,800
And then, all that shifted,
and she said to her,
431
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"Oh, I just went on
a walk with Keith."
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And she was, like,
all googly-eyed and...
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So he's got his hooks into her,
and she's no longer resisting.
434
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,880
He basically manipulated this
whole thing from the beginning.
435
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Because then Allie Mack
went on this kind of crusade
436
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to befriend her and get her
away from Bonnie...
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- is what I understand.
- Mentor her.
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"Mentor her," yeah,
into Keith's bed.
439
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,000
I will do whatever I can
to get India out. I promise you.
440
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I really do believe
we can get her out.
441
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I honestly... I don't know how.
442
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,480
Allison was just so excitedfor me to meet Keith.
443
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,800
It was like,"You gotta meet Keith.
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00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120
Come to volleyball."
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00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,520
She sort of inspires meto go ask him a question.
446
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,400
She said, "You know, I think it'dbe really good for you two to talk."
447
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760
The reason why you feel fear
is because it's not familiar.
448
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
And the unknown is scary.
449
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920
And some of the consequences
are harsh.
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You can feel awful.
451
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,280
You can feel all sorts of things,and still do the right thing.
452
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An act of character,
you feel all those emotions,
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and there's a part of you
that is unflappable.
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Absolutely committed.
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And the first timeyou feel it, it's great.
456
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If you want to bea millionaire of joy,
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look at these things as
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positive affirmations
that you're on the road.
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Thank you.
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00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,600
I would take these classesthat were life changing.
461
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
And I was like, "Oh,this came from this man's mind."
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I always feel funny.
Thank you.
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00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360
So I was very activein pursuing him.
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I was like,"I wanna be your friend."
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You know, "If I'm gonna learn,I wanna learn from you."
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I felt like I waslearning from him
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00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,600
and he was helping meunderstanding things about myself.
468
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,520
And that sort of continued onthe more I took curriculum.
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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440
Our understanding of ourselvesas women has been muddled,
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because our culture and our
language has been dominated
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by the male principle.
472
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,920
I heard about Jness
from Rachel.
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00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,440
It was offered solely to women
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to explore how genderinfluences our role in society,
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and our relationships.
476
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400
It's gonna takea long time to change
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00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,200
the indoctrination thatkind of goes underneath that.
478
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,080
It's a societally induced problem.
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Jness helped inform
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why we were doing whatwe were doing in DOS:
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to teach women what femaleempowerment looks like
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outside ofa male-dominated world.
483
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,880
When women come out of Jness,
484
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,240
they are more understandingof the conflict
485
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,120
that men and women have.
486
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
That does not meanthey have to be submissive,
487
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,480
but they actually are going to have
to fight for their point of view.
488
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,480
And I think that's new
languaging for women.
489
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,240
Jness was based onKeith's ideas,
490
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,440
but the person who started itwas a woman named Pam Cafritz.
491
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,720
She was a life partnerto Keith.
492
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,720
Keith asked me to film Pam.
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She was alreadydying of cancer
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when I met her.
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00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,360
I was there when theyannounced Pam's death.
496
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440
I made the memorial video.
497
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,160
She could see all the things
that I didn't want to
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00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,680
or couldn't see in myself.
499
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,160
She would say,
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00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960
"You don't have to choosethat conventional path."
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00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,000
It was like she predeterminedmy potential.
502
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
So, I miss you, Pam.
503
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,520
I'll keep practicing.
504
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Pam believed in Keith
and was 100% on board.
505
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,480
- Like 100% trust.
- Mm-hmm.
506
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,960
That it was good and that
he knew what was right,
507
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,160
and that...
508
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,880
that it really could happen.
509
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Pam truly had a connection towhat women bring to the world.
510
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,400
That is so undervalued.
511
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,000
She saw Jness as the key to unlockingthe power that they truly held.
512
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,920
And she loved relationships.
513
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,720
And Jness focuses on teaching women
how to be friends with each other.
514
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400
I was looking throughall of this footage
515
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920
of people talking abouthow much she meant to them,
516
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480
and how much she loved Keith.
517
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,280
I was getting to know Pam,
518
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
and to know Keiththrough Pam.
519
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,760
I met Pamela about 30 years ago
on a ski slope.
520
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080
I think I was 26.
521
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,720
He started explainingwhere he wanted to go,
522
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,920
and what he wanted to do,
and I remember just looking at him
523
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,840
and, you know,
sensing he was different.
524
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,440
He said, "Follow me."
525
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360
And I said, "Okay."
526
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600
You're blazing a trail.We're blazing a trail.
527
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,720
It's gonna be walked on by,
hopefully, millions of people.
528
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
When I created the modules,
I thought,
529
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,920
many, many people will be going
trotting through these modules.
530
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,680
And hopefully, people will come
to have a deeper understanding.
531
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,280
That's what this is for.
532
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,560
That was a huge turning pointin my relationship to Keith.
533
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,720
When I was little,I'd always look back
534
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,520
at the different heroesinto history,
535
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,040
and say, "Gee, I wishI could be there,
536
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,840
wish I could be there,wish I could do that."
537
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,640
And then coming to the recognition
538
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,280
that now is such a time,
and we are here.
539
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
And we are doing it.
540
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,640
And all provided by
all of your support.
541
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,360
I would never imagine
that we could bring a group together
542
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,000
and we all stand together.
543
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,720
And if you believe
I've done something good,
544
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,200
that's important, because
I always want to earn my authority.
545
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,240
Thank you so much.
546
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,160
The dude is the leader of
this philosophical movement
547
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,280
when men and women alike arelooking at him with admiration,
548
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,880
because he really hadchanged their lives.
549
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,320
But I had no notionsthat he was any god
550
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,400
or demigod.
551
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,320
He felt familiar.
552
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,040
And he said, "You canunderstand things
553
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,520
"that I'm explaining to youmuch faster than other people.
554
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,360
And that's really nice for me."
555
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,800
And I felt very flatteredthat he thought I was special,
556
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,360
and that he wantedto spend time with me.
557
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,440
I remember I was at volleyballafter everyone had left.
558
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640
And he was asking me abouthow I saw relationships.
559
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440
And how I wantedto relate to him.
560
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,200
And he would always ask me, "Well,what do you want? What do you want?"
561
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,120
Always asking what do I want.
562
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,720
And I was like, "I don't know.
563
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,400
"I would like to learnfrom you as a person.
564
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,880
"I don't necessarily thinkthat needs to be physical,
565
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,320
but I'm open."
566
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,160
And we kissed.
567
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,720
That was when it became more ofa physical relationship with him.
568
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,960
But it was not until I losta certain amount of weight
569
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,360
that we actually had sex.
570
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,840
He would bring meto this little library.
571
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,080
It was basicallylike his study.
572
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,800
And there's, like,a little loft bed.
573
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,520
We'd have these, like,moments in time.
574
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,760
And I would just kind offeel loopy afterwards.
575
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Nauseous and shaky.
576
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,000
Strange in my body.
577
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,000
You know,I would ask him about it.
578
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,800
He was like, "You know,some people are just
579
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
"really, reallysensitive to energy.
580
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,240
And what I'm doing is I'mgiving you a lot of energy."
581
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,160
Allison knew aboutmy relationship with Keith.
582
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,680
She would say things like,
583
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000
"Well, I know that Keith isworking with you on body stuff.
584
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,840
"And some people getreally confused about that.
585
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160
But he's really justtrying to help people."
586
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,160
He told me a lot of things,
587
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,520
and I would ask himwhy he trusted me.
588
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,120
And he said, "The reasonI felt so close to you
589
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,640
was because you had givenso much collateral."
590
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,760
And it was then that he toldme he was the head of DOS.
591
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520
He said, "I know what it isthat you've been doing,
592
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,800
"and it was my idea.I created it.
593
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,000
"Allison is my slave,
594
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,760
"and I am technically
your great Grandmaster.
595
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
And no one will ever really
know that I'm involved."
596
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,960
And I was like, "So, does that meanyou can command me to do anything?"
597
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,040
And he said, "I could.But I'm not going to."
598
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,840
His explanation ofwhy he created DOS
599
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,720
was that he saw womenbeing thwarted
600
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,720
by men in positions of power
601
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,960
when they tried to makea difference in the world.
602
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,680
He explained that it could be usedto serve a larger vision.
603
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,960
To mobilize the things wehad been learning personally
604
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,080
and apply them tothe outside world.
605
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,160
And, yeah, it crossed my mindthat it could be used for harm,
606
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,400
but I wanted to believe.
607
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,400
And it just comes downto that.
608
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
I wanted to believehe was good.
609
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,840
I don't know what will happento get India out of there
610
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,480
if she's truly intimatewith Keith
611
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320
and he's got thisSvengali hold over her.
612
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,080
My mind constantly goes to,
613
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,480
there's gotta be a way.
There's a gotta be a way.
614
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040
And I don't know what that way is.
615
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,640
Everything they do is intentional.
616
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,440
And it's posing as human growth...
617
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400
character building, bonding.
618
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680
And then they think they have
the moral high ground.
619
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,800
-Yeah. Yeah.
-That's what pissed me off the most.
620
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,840
Get the fuck off
the moral high ground.
621
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,080
I wanna text Lauren,
Nancy, and Keith.
622
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,280
And I want to say, "Listen, you're
gonna destroy all the collateral.
623
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,680
"I'm gonna go to the police.
I'm gonna go to the FBI.
624
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,760
Or I'm gonna come up there..."
625
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,600
I'm not gonna say that, but...
626
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,880
If I didn't have a wife and kid,
I think I'd be in jail right now.
627
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,400
'Cause I was gonna
destroy that fuckin' place.
628
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520
When I started doing research,
like, why brand?
629
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,800
When a human being
goes through that,
630
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,360
you're actually forcing
a dissociative state.
631
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,280
That you literally belong...
632
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,320
to another human being.
633
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,360
Do you want to see it?
634
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,800
I've actually seen pictures
of your brand.
635
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,240
But if you want to show me,
I will, I will see it.
636
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
We don't have to do it
right now, do we?
637
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,240
Yeah.
638
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,240
Yeah.
639
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Frank Parlato used to
work for Keith and NXIVM.
640
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,400
He left on bad terms,and the company went after him.
641
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,840
To fight back, he created a blogcalled the "Frank Report"
642
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,400
to share news he was hearingabout NXIVM.
643
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,720
Back then,I was very wary of him.
644
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,720
We knew there wasanother branding ceremony
645
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,200
that was about to happen.
646
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,640
For Catherine, the hope was
that India might even read it,
647
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,960
and realize, "Holy shit,
this is, this is bad."
648
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,400
It was like,we cannot wait.
649
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480
We have to get this story out,
650
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080
and Frank will report it.
651
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,760
I decided to tell Frankabout the branding.
652
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,000
It was pretty terrifying.
653
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,360
But my name wasn't attached,so I felt safe.
654
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,600
And by this point,I was kind of like...
655
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,200
a vigilante on a mission.
656
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,880
I was so angry.
I was like, "Fuck you.
657
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600
You fuckin' messed with
the wrong person."
658
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,320
When Frank came out
with the news,
659
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840
it sent the whole organization
into a panic.
660
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
A lot of people beganasking questions.
661
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,920
And that was the idea.
662
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,320
It's not just to exposewhat was going on.
663
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,000
It was also about just
getting people to leave.
664
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,720
Getting people away from danger.
665
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,920
When the "Frank Report" came out,I was in shock.
666
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,280
I didn't know about the branding,or Keith's initials on the brand.
667
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,280
I started, for the first time,
668
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,640
to realize that thingswere not as they seemed.
669
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Then I found outabout an assignment
670
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,280
that a friend of minehad been given:
671
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,120
to seduce Keith,and take a picture
672
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,600
to show that they'dcompleted the task.
673
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,800
And I have a huge freak-out.
674
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,920
And Keith goton the phone with me.
675
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,600
He said, "Are you okay?"I was like, "No. I feel pretty unsafe."
676
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,560
He was like, "Unsafe with me?"I was like, "Yes."
677
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,000
And I wanted answers from him.
678
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960
If something is so good,
679
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,160
how could it have gottenthis bad?
680
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,720
He said, "Different Mastershave different approaches
681
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,920
with their slaves."
682
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,360
And I have to respect that.
683
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,720
Which didn't make sense to me.
684
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,720
I kept asking questionsabout why this was okay.
685
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,640
And his argumentswere all framed around
686
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,520
what I wantedand what I was scared of.
687
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,960
And yet, he didn'tanswer my questions.
688
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,200
He's such a good salesman.
689
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,920
And the longer I talked to him,
690
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,680
the more I realizedthe depth of the deception.
691
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
It was about control.
692
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,160
At the time, I hadn't sharedanything with anyone.
693
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,120
And there was this womanwho I knew was in DOS.
694
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,400
We make a plan that we'regonna spend some time and talk.
695
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800
I just sort ofdumped everything.
696
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400
And I just remember thehorrified look on her face.
697
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,920
I hadn't thought of myselfas having been traumatized
698
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,120
until that moment.
699
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,200
I was sort of like,"Well, what do we do?"
700
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,640
And she was like,"We fucking leave"
701
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,280
This option was opened.
702
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,440
"Oh, that is somethingthat I can do."
703
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,800
I was terrified about my collateral.
704
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,480
But I just wanted out.
705
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,560
So, we made a planto leave together.
706
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,680
I ended up talking to Indiabefore I left.
707
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,840
I asked her to goon a walk with me.
708
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640
She said, you know,"I heard you're leaving."
709
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,160
I was like, "Yes."
710
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,400
She said,"Well, I'm gonna miss you."
711
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,160
I was asking her how she feltabout what people were saying.
712
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,600
And she said, "You know,I don't feel like a victim.
713
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,600
"I'm going through tough shitbut I feel like I'm stronger.
714
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,200
"And I feel really cared for.
715
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,280
And so, my experienceis really different."
716
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,480
She seemed very confident
717
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960
that what she was doingwas the right thing.
718
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,840
And she said,"I hope you...
719
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,320
you know, find whatyou're looking for."
720
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,280
When you leavesomething like this,
721
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,600
you're not just losingyour memories,
722
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,960
or your community.
723
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,400
You're losing this idea ofwhat you were fighting for, too.
724
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,480
And that's really hardto rebuild.
725
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,960
The only authority that canlead your life is you.
726
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
And I'm just grateful thatI know what it's like
727
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,720
to give that away...
728
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,160
so that I can feel the powerof taking it back again.
729
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,800
There's no way with a child thatI've known for 26 years,
730
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,760
that she would beinvolved, condone,
731
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,600
the things that she's
participating in right now.
732
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,160
There's no way.
733
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,160
She's convinced herselfthat being branded
734
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
with some man's initials,
735
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,680
and being recruited for sex...
736
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680
that that's a good thingand this is character building.
737
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,120
This organizationhas taken my child.
738
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,240
And I will do whatever it takes...to get her back.
65387
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