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Tammy Faye: I THINK THE EYES
ARE SO IMPORTANT.
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I BELIEVE THEY ARE
THE EYES OF THE SOUL.
I TRULY DO.
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AND I THINK YOU CAN
LOOK IN SOMEONE'S EYES
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AND REALLY TELL
WHAT KIND OF A PERSON
AND WHAT THEIR HEART IS.
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AND SO WHEN MY PRECIOUS
FRIENDS DIE,
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I ALWAYS ASK IF I COULD
PLEASE HAVE THEIR GLASSES.
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WHEN MY MOM DIED,
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I GOT MY MAMA'S GLASSES,
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AND THEY'RE VERY,
VERY PRECIOUS TO ME.
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I LIKE TO PUT THEM ON
SOMETIMES AND THINK,
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"YOU KNOW, MAMA
LOOKED THROUGH THESE.
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RuPaul: TAMMY FAYE
IS THE FIRST LADY OF
RELIGIOUS BROADCASTING.
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TOGETHER, WITH HER
HUSBAND JIM BAKKER,
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SHE PIONEERED
THE ELECTRIC CHURCH.
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FROM THE SIXTIES
THROUGH THE MID-EIGHTIES,
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THEY BUILT NOT ONE,
BUT 3 RELIGIOUS NETWORKS,
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GROWING THE MEDIUM
FROM A MOTLEY GROUP
OF LOCAL STATIONS
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INTO A GLOBAL CONCERN.
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AT THEIR PEAK, THEY
PRESIDED OVER THE LARGEST
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AND MOST SUCCESSFUL
CHRISTIAN TELEVISION
MINISTRY OF ITS DAY.
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THEIR CHRISTIAN RETREAT,
HERITAGE U.S.A.,
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WAS, AFTER DISNEY WORLD
AND DISNEYLAND,
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AMERICA'S MOST POPULAR
THEME PARK.
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THEN, IN THE MID-EIGHTIES,
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THEIR WORLD CAME
CRASHING DOWN.
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Reporter: TROUBLES
FOR JIM BAKKER BEGAN
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WITH THE REVELATION
OF HIS SEXUAL ENCOUNTER
WITH JESSICA HAHN.
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Second reporter:
TAMMY BAKKER CAME
OUT OF THE CLOSET
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TO REVEAL HERSELF
AS A DRUG ADDICT.
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WE DID NOT ASK
JERRY FALWELL
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TO TAKE OVER
OUR MINISTRY.
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Third reporter:
THE MINISTRY IS NOW STRUGGLING
WITH A $16-MILLION DEBT.
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THE U.S. BANKRUPTCY
COURT IS NOW...
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Fourth reporter:
THE GOVERNMENT SAID BAKKER
WAS A SLICK CON MAN,
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CHEATING HIS FOLLOWERS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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RuPaul: WHATEVER HAPPENED
TO TAMMY FAYE?
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12 LONG YEARS AFTER
HER FALL FROM GRACE,
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TAMMY LIVES
IN VIRTUAL EXILE
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IN A GATED COMMUNITY
IN PALM DESERT, CALIFORNIA.
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Tammy: OK, I'M GOING
TO READ YOU MY POEM.
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ARE YOU READY?
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"LONELINESS CLINGS TO ME
LIKE A SECOND SKIN,
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"THREATENING
TO SMOTHER ME
FROM WITHIN.
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"WHY GET READY
FOR THE DAY?
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"WHAT DOES IT MATTER
TO MYSELF, I SAY?
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"MY BODY ACHES ALL NIGHT,
ALL DAY,
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"AND I'M TOO TIRED
TO EVEN PRAY.
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"MUNDANE HOUSEHOLD
CHORES I DO,
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"VACUUM FLOORS
AND PICK UP POO.
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"I TRY NOT TO THINK
OF DAYS GONE BY,
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"TO DO SO ONLY
MAKES ME CRY.
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WHY ME, GOD, I SAY,
WHY?"
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IT'S A LITTLE
DRAMATIC, I GUESS,
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BUT IT'S HOW I FELT
AT THE TIME.
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I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT
I SHOULD PROBABLY
BE ON BROADWAY--
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[LAUGHS]
WITH ALL MY DRAMA.
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Both:...
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WHEN SHE WAS BORN,
SHE HAD PERFECTLY
MANICURED FINGERNAILS.
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RuPaul: THE ELDEST
OF 8 CHILDREN,
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TAMMY FAYE LaVALLEY
GREW UP IN INTERNATIONAL
FALLS, MINNESOTA.
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Virginia Fairchild:
THEIR HOUSE WAS BIG
ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THEM,
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BUT NOT A NICE ONE.
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IN THOSE DAYS,
YOU DIDN'T SPEND MONEY
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FOR ANYTHING
BUT FOOD AND CLOTHES,
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BECAUSE YOU JUST DIDN'T
HAVE IT, YOU KNOW?
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I DON'T THINK SHE HAD
A VERY HAPPY...
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GROWING-UP YEARS,
YOU KNOW?
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I MEAN, WHAT DID
SHE REALLY HAVE TO BE
OVERLY OVERJOYED ABOUT?
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I MEAN, HELPING
TAKE CARE OF KIDS, YEAH,
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BECAUSE SHE HAD TO.
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RuPaul: BUT EVEN
IN HER TEENS,
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TAMMY HAD HER FAITH
TO TURN TO.
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SHE HAD A LITTLE WART
ON ONE FINGER.
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SHE ASKED GOD,
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AND THE MESSAGE
THAT SHE GOT WAS,
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"PUT THAT FINGER
IN THE COMMUNION CUP
BEFORE YOU DRINK."
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AND SHE BROUGHT IT OUT,
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PARTOOK OF THE BREAD
AND THE JUICE,
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AND THE WART WAS GONE.
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WE HAD BEEN RAISED IN
THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD.
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AND WE ALWAYS
SORT OF FELT
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THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD
PREACHED THAT
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GOD WAS LOOKING DOWN
AT YOU FROM HEAVEN
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WITH A BIG HUGE
HAMMER IN HIS HAND
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AND THAT IF YOU DID
ANYTHING WRONG,
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HE WAS GOING TO HIT YOU
OVER THE HEAD WITH
THIS HAMMER
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AND SEND YOU
STRAIGHT TO HELL.
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Johnny Grover:
SHE WAS ALMOST SCARED
INTO STAYING CLOSE TO GOD.
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I STILL SAY ADA DEHREN
IS HER SAVIOR,
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BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE
THAT BOUGHT THE MAKE-UP
AT THE RUMMAGE SALE.
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[LAUGHS] THEY WERE
THE FIRST ONES TO TRY MAKE-UP.
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SEE ALL THIS STUFF?
LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF.
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THAT'S MY BLUSH.
IT'S ALMOST GONE.
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I GOT TO GO
TO THE SWAP MEET
AND GET SOME MORE.
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I BUY IT AT
THE SWAP MEET.
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MY POWDER THAT
KIND OF--
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WHEN I CRY,
IT TAKES AWAY THE TEARS.
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THIS IS MY
EYEBROW STUFF,
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ALTHOUGH I DON'T
REALLY NEED TO PUT ON
EYEBROW STUFF,
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BECAUSE ME EYEBROWS
ARE PERMANENT.
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THIS TURNS PINK
WHEN YOU PUT IT ON.
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SEE? BUT IT'S WHITE
TO START WITH.
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EYELASH GLUE.
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OH, HERE'S--
I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THAT IS.
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OH, HERE'S MY MASCARA
THAT I'M SO FAMOUS FOR.
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AS YOU SEE, IT IS
L'OREAL WATERPROOF
LASH OUT MAKE-UP.
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AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE,
IT'S MUCH USED.
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MUCH LOVED.
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THEY ARE PUT ON SINGLY,
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AND, UH, WITH LOTS
OF MASCARA.
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THEY DON'T COME OFF,
I MEAN, THEY'RE...
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THEY HAVE TO,
LITERALLY,
KIND OF WEAR OFF.
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AND SO, ONCE IN A WHILE,
ONE WILL DROP OFF,
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AND WHEN IT DOES,
I PUT ANOTHER ONE IN.
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WITHOUT MY EYELASHES,
I WOULDN'T BE TAMMY FAYE.
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I DON'T KNOW WHO I'D BE,
BUT I WOULDN'T BE ME.
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RuPaul: IN 1960, AGED 17,
TAMMY WENT TO BIBLE COLLEGE
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WHERE SHE MET
AND FELL IN LOVE
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WITH A YOUNG, CHARISMATIC
PREACHER NAMED JIM BAKKER.
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THE NEXT YEAR,
ON APRIL FOOL'S DAY,
JIM AND TAMMY WERE MARRIED.
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THE YOUNG NEWLYWEDS
LIVED ON THE ROAD,
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STRUGGLING TO MAKE A LIVING
AS ITINERANT PREACHERS,
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JOINING A TRADITION OF
TRAVELING EVANGELISM
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PIONEERED BY MINISTERS
LIKE ORAL ROBERTS.
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EVERYTHING THAT'S
EVERY BEEN DONE
THAT'S WORTHWHILE
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HAS BEEN DONE BY MEN,
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BY WOMEN WHO SAID,
"I DON'T CARE WHAT
THE COST IS,
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I'M GOING TO DO THIS
FOR THE GLORY OF GOD."
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RuPaul: A BLEND
OF CHRISTIANITY
AND SHOWMANSHIP,
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IT WAS A GROWING TREND
THAT WOULD CULMINATE
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IN THE CREATION
OF TELEVANGELISM...
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THE ELECTRIC CHURCH.
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TODAY, IT BOASTS OVER
2,500 RADIO AND TV STATIONS,
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REACHING AN
ESTIMATED AUDIENCE
OF 20 MILLION PEOPLE.
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SATELLITES CIRCLE THE GLOBE,
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BEAMING OUT THOUSANDS
OF PROGRAMS
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24 HOURS A DAY,
7 DAYS A WEEK,
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AND GENERATING MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE.
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Announcer: THE CHRISTIAN
SHOPPING NETWORK.
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THE ONLY NETWORK WHERE
YOU SOW THE KINGDOM OF GOD,
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WHILE YOU PURCHASE
YOUR FAVORITE PRODUCTS
AT LOWER THAN RETAIL PRICE...
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RuPaul: BUT IT ALL
STARTED OUT WITH PUPPETS,
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JIM AND TAMMY'S PUPPETS.
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OH, YEAH, WE PRACTICALLY
STARTED THE ELECTRIC CHURCH.
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WE HAD BOUGHT SILKY
BUBBLE BATH, OF ALL THINGS,
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AND WE SAW THESE LITTLE
HEADS ON THE BUBBLE BATH,
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AND I--I STARTED
TALKING FOR THEM.
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YOU KNOW, MAKING
LITTLE VOICES.
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[IN A SILLY VOICE]
"HELLO, THERE."
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THOSE KINDS OF
LITTLE VOICES.
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AND JIM SAID, "TAMMY,
WE COULD MAKE PUPPETS
OUT OF THESE THINGS,
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AND WE COULD USE THEM
IN CHURCH FOR THE KIDS."
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WE TOOK THE SILKY
BUBBLE BATH, IT WAS PORKY PIG,
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WE MELTED THE EARS DOWN
AND MADE A LITTLE GIRL PIGGY.
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SHE HAD TO HAVE A FRIEND,
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SO WE MADE AN ALLIGATOR
THAT TALKED LIKE THIS,
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[LOW-PITCHED VOICE]
"HELLO.
I'M ALLIE THE ALLIGATOR.
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[HIGH-PITCHED VOICE]
"AND I'M SUSIE MUPPET."
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I WORKED THEM WITH
MY HANDS, LIKE THIS.
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THIS WAS THEIR LITTLE HANDS,
AND THIS WAS THEIR HEAD.
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♪ JESUS TAKES A FROWN ♪
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♪ AND HE TURNS IT
UPSIDE DOWN ♪
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♪ AND OOPS! ♪
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♪ HERE COMES
A SMILE... ♪
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RuPaul: SUSIE MUPPET
AND ALLIE THE ALLIGATOR
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ATTRACTED THE ATTENTION OF
TV MINISTER PAT ROBERTSON.
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HE RAN A SMALL LOCAL STATION
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AND DREAMT OF
BUILDING A CHRISTIAN
BROADCASTING NETWORK.
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Jim Bakker:
WE GOT A CALL
FROM PAT ROBERTSON.
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HE WANTED
TO MEET WITH US.
AND HE SAID,
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"WOULD YOU CONSIDER
JOINING THE NETWORK?"
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WELL, THE NETWORK
WAS ONE STATION,
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A ONE-KILOWATT
TELEVISION STATION.
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IT HARDLY WENT DOWN
THE BLOCK AT TIMES.
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Announcer:
IT'S TIME FOR THE NATIONS
BIGGEST YARD PARTY,
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THE JIM & TAMMY SHOW.
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HI, EVERYBODY!
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All: HI,
JIM AND TAMMY!
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Jim Bakker: WE DID NOT
HAVE A SCRIPT,
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SO EVERYTHING WAS
REALLY AD-LIBBED.
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I THINK JIM, ACTUALLY,
WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS
AROUND THE PUPPETS,
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BECAUSE HE NEVER REALLY KNEW
WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO SAY.
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JIM, YOU JUST ATE
MY SHRIMP UP.
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[GASPS] OH, I WAS
JUST STANDING HERE--
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SHUT UP!
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Jim: SUSIE WAS
THE BAD TAMMY FAYE,
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AND ALLIE WAS ALWAYS
SOMEHOW--
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SHE HAD A SPLIT
PERSONALITY,
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'CAUSE ALLIE WAS
ALWAYS NICE TO ME,
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BUT SUSIE MUPPET WAS
ALWAYS ARGUING WITH ME.
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AND I MEAN, IF THOSE
PEOPLE AT HOME,
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I DON'T KNOW
IF THEY KNEW...
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WE WERE HAVING
LEGITIMATE FIGHTS,
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ONLY WE WERE DOING IT
THROUGH THESE PUPPETS.
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BUT FOR SOME REASON,
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THE SHOW BECAME
THE NUMBER ONE PROGRAM
ON C.B.N.
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♪ I'M GOING
TO LOVE MY ENEMIES ♪
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♪ DO GOOD TO THOSE
WHO ARE BAD TO ME ♪
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♪ GOING TO LOVE... ♪
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I MEAN,
WHAT DID JIM HENSON HAVE
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BUT JIM AND TAMMY
GONE BERSERK.
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♪ SO GOOD AND FREE ♪
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♪ SO GOOD AND FREE ♪
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RuPaul: JIM AND TAMMY
HAD AGREED TO WORK
FOR PAT ROBERTSON
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ON CONDITION THAT
THEY COULD ALSO START
A LATE-NIGHT TALK SHOW.
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HE SAID, "I'LL MAKE
A DEAL WITH YOU.
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"IF YOU GET THE KID SHOW
UP AND RUNNING,
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THEN YOU CAN DO THIS
LATE-NIGHT SHOW."
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AND SO PAT HONORED
HIS WORD ON THAT,
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AND JIM STARTED
WHAT WAS CALLED THE 700 CLUB,
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THE FIRST CHRISTIAN
TALK SHOW IN HISTORY.
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Announcer: SO HERE'S
YOUR HOST ON...
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HELLO, AND WELCOME
TO THE 700 CLUB TODAY.
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I'M SO VERY,
VERY HAPPY THAT
YOU COULD JOIN US
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FOR THIS PROGRAM
OF PRAYER AND PRAISE.
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RuPaul: THE INSTANT
SUCCESS OF THE 700 CLUB
AND THE JIM AND TAMMY SHOW,
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HELPED TURN THE CHRISTIAN
BROADCAST NETWORK
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FROM A LOCAL STATION
INTO A FULL-FLEDGED NETWORK.
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BUT THINGS BEGAN TO SOUR.
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Tammy: PAT BEGAN TO WANT
TO TAKE OVER SOME OF
THE 700 CLUB,
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WHICH WAS FINE,
BECAUSE IT WAS HIS STATION
AND WE HONORED HIM FOR THAT.
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AND SO, WE JUST SAID, "PAT,
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"YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT
BY YOURSELF NOW.
YOU DON'T NEED US."
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AND SO WE DECIDED TO MOVE ON
AND DO OUR OWN THING.
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THE 700 CLUB TODAY
IS PROBABLY
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THE MOST POWERFUL
OF THE RELIGIOUS
BROADCASTS.
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Announcer: THIS IS...
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Reverend White:
AND JIM WAS THE FIRST
HOST ON THE 700 CLUB,
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BEFORE
PAT ROBERTSON WAS.
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RuPaul: TAMMY WROTE
TO PAT ROBERTSON
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ASKING HIM TO BE INTERVIEWED
FOR THIS DOCUMENTARY.
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HE DECLINED.
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JIM AND TAMMY THEN MOVED
WEST TO CALIFORNIA,
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AND IN THE KITCHEN
OF THEIR RENTED HOME
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WITH THEIR FRIENDS
JAN AND PAUL CROUCH,
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THEY LAUNCHED
A NEW VENTURE:
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THE TRINITY BROADCAST
NETWORK.
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Tammy: JIM WAS THE HOST,
AND I WAS THE CO-HOST,
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AND JAN AND PAUL WERE
IN THE BACKGROUND.
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RuPaul: BUT NOT FOR LONG.
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JIM AND TAMMY
WERE FORCED OUT
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IN A BOARD-ROOM COUP
BY JAN AND PAUL CROUCH.
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Announcer: THIS IS THE TRINITY
BROADCASTING NETWORK,
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CELEBRATING OUR
25th ANNIVERSARY.
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RuPaul: TODAY,
THE CROUCHS STILL PRESIDE
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OVER THE MINISTRY JIM
AND TAMMY STARTED WITH THEM,
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WHICH HAS SINCE
BECOME ONE OF THE WORLD'S
LARGEST TV MINISTRIES.
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JIM AND TAMMY STARTED
ALMOST EVERYTHING
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THAT IS NOW POWERFUL IN
RELIGIOUS TELECASTING.
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BUT AS SOON AS
THEY GOT IT BUILT,
LIKE AT TBN,
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AS SOON AS THEY GOT
PEOPLE WATCHING,
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AS SOON AS THEY GOT
THE AUDIENCE CAPTIVATED,
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AS SOON AS THEY BEGAN
TO GET POWER,
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THEY WERE,
KIND OF, LET GO.
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RuPaul: TAMMY WROTE
TO THE CROUCHS
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ASKING THEM
TO BE INTERVIEWED
FOR THIS DOCUMENTARY.
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THEY DECLINED.
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Choir: ♪ GLORIA ♪
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RuPaul: IN 1974,
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JIM AND TAMMY
MOVED TO CHARLOTTE,
NORTH CAROLINA.
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Announcer: STAND BY.
5 SECONDS TO PTL.
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RuPaul: THERE, THEY LAUNCHED
A THIRD TELEVISION NETWORK
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CALLED P.T.L...
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PRAISE THE LORD.
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[APPLAUSE]
Choir: ♪ PRAISE THE LORD ♪
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♪ NOW'S THE TIME
TO LIFT OUR VOICES ♪
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THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME
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THAT THEY WERE
COMPLETELY IN CHARGE
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AND FREE TO CREATE
THEIR OWN NETWORK
IN THEIR OWN IMAGE.
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♪ WELL, I FOUND
A NEW JOY ♪
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COME ON, JIM!
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Tammy: WE BELIEVED THAT
CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE FUN.
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WE BELIEVED
IT SHOULD BE JOYFUL.
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AND I THINK WE WERE
ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE
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TO PUT FUN AND LAUGHTER
IN CHRISTIANITY.
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IT'S NOT A DRAG
TO BE SAVED.
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IT'S NOT A BORING THING.
THAT'S RELIGION.
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YOU SEE, YOU'VE
GOTTEN IT MIXED UP.
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RELIGION IS BORING
AND DULL...
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MOST OF THE TIME,
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BUT JESUS IS LIFE.
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♪ ...GLORIOUS,
WONDERFUL DAY ♪
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♪ YES, IT'S A MARVELOUS,
GLORIOUS, WONDERFUL DAY ♪
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♪ TO SERVE THE LORD ♪
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♪ HALLELUJAH ♪
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PRAISE THE LORD.
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HALLELUJAH.
WHOO!
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RuPaul: JIM AND TAMMY'S
GOSPEL OF FUN WAS FOR
ONE AND ALL.
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Tammy: WE WERE
INTER-DENOMINATIONAL,
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FOR EVERYONE
OF EVERY DENOMINATION.
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THE LUTHERANS,
THE BAPTISTS, CATHOLICS,
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ALL DENOMINATIONS WERE
A PART OF PTL.
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AND REMEMBER,
GOD LOVES YOU.
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HE REALLY DOES.
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GOD LOVES YOU.
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HE LOVES YOU.
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GOD LOVES YOU!
HE REALLY DOES!
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GOD LOVES YOU.
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HE REALLY DOES.
BYE-BYE FOR TODAY.
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RuPaul:
PTL EMBRACED THOSE
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THAT OTHER CHRISTIAN
FUNDAMENTALISTS
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AND TELEVANGELISTS
REJECTED.
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STEVE IS A PATIENT
OF AIDS,
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AND HE SO GENEROUSLY
ALLOWED US TO TALK
TO HIM TODAY.
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WAS IT JUST
A WORD TO YOU?
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IS IT SOMETHING
THAT JUST HAPPENS
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TO OTHER PEOPLE
AND NOT TO STEVE?
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I KNEW THAT IT WAS
A GROWING PROBLEM
IN THE GAY COMMUNITY,
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BUT I, AS MANY OTHER PEOPLE
DID BACK IN 1981 AND '82,
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DENIED THAT
IT COULD TOUCH ME.
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I MEAN,
WE DIDN'T SEE HOW--
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I MEAN,
WHY WOULD IT HURT ME?
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I WAS A GOOD
CHRISTIAN PASTOR.
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DO YOU KNOW HOW
EARLY THAT WAS
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FOR ANYBODY IN
THE CHRISTIAN WORLD
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TO BE REACHING OUT
AND TO BE EMBRACING
A GAY PERSON,
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LET ALONE
A PERSON WITH AIDS?
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TAMMY BAKKER DID IT
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WHEN NO ONE ELSE
WOULD DO IT.
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HOW SAD THAT
WE AS CHRISTIANS,
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WHO ARE TO BE
THE SALT OF THE EARTH,
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AND WE ARE--WE,
WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
ABLE TO LOVE EVERYONE,
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ARE AFRAID SO BADLY
OF AN AIDS PATIENT
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THAT WE WILL NOT
GO UP AND PUT OUR
ARM AROUND THEM
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AND TELL THEM
THAT WE CARE?
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RuPaul: WHETHER
IT WAS AIDS, DRUG ABUSE,
OR MARRIAGE COUNSELING,
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PTL, AND IN PARTICULAR
TAMMY,
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RUSHED IN WHERE OTHER
CHRISTIAN BROADCASTERS
FEARED TO TREAD.
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THE PENILE IMPLANT
OF THE INFLATABLE TYPE,
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AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT--
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IT'S THE NEWEST ONE, RIGHT?
THIS IS THE NEWEST ONE
OUT THERE.
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WHEN HE WANTS
TO BECOME ERECT,
HE REACHES DOWN,
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HE SQUEEZES THAT
SEVERAL TIMES,
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AND THE MAN
BECOMES FIRM.
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I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
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NOW GO AHEAD, AUDIENCE,
GO AHEAD.
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I'VE BEEN IN HOLLYWOOD,
AND IN NEW YORK,
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AND I'D SEEN
THE NETWORKS PRODUCE,
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BUT THERE WERE
NO PRODUCERS LIKE TAMMY.
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♪ OH, WELL, NOW ♪
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♪ WHO'S THAT BOUNCING AROUND
LIKE A PING-PONG BALL? ♪
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♪ WHO'S THAT,
BIGGER THAN LIFE ♪
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♪ EVEN THOUGH
SHE'S SMALL... ♪
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Reverend White:
THE FIRST DAY I SAW HER,
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I WATCHED HER DO
3 DIFFERENT SHOWS,
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HOUR-LONG SHOWS
IN A ROW,
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WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER,
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WITHOUT NOTES,
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JUST KEEPING IT GOING.
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♪ IT'S TAMMY ♪
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♪ A DOUBLE-WHAMMY ♪
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♪ OF TURNED-ON
CHRISTIAN LOVE ♪
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RuPaul: WHEN NOT
IN FRONT OF A CAMERA,
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TAMMY WAS BEHIND
A MICROPHONE
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RECORDING OVER 40 ALBUMS.
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Announcer:
TAMMY FAYE...
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WARM...
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GENTLE...
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RADIANT...
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BLESSED.
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A GLOWING EXAMPLE.
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FOR YOUR COPY OF HER
MOST RECENT ALBUM,
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SEND $25 TODAY
TO JIM BAKKER...
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RuPaul: AND IN BETWEEN
RECORDING ALBUMS,
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SHE RAISED A FAMILY...
ALSO ON TELEVISION.
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I WANT YOU TO MEET MY BOY--
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JAMIE CHARLES BAKKER.
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[APPLAUSE]
Tammy: WE IDENTIFIED WITH
THE AMERICAN FAMILY,
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AND THEY IDENTIFIED
WITH US.
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I PRACTICALLY HAD BOTH
MY CHILDREN ON TV.
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BEFORE I WAS BORN,
I WAS ON TELEVISION.
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IN MY MOTHER'S STOMACH,
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I WAS ON TELEVISION.
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SO MY WHOLE LIFE HAS
BEEN IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
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[APPLAUSE]
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Jamie: SO MANY PEOPLE NOW,
EVEN TO THIS DAY,
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COME UP,
AND THEY'RE LIKE,
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"I REMEMBER YOU FROM WHEN
YOU WERE A LITTLE KID.
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I GREW UP WITH YOU.
I FEEL LIKE I'M A PART OF YOU."
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AND IT'S BECAUSE
THEY GREW UP IN OUR HOUSE,
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I MEAN, IN OUR LIVES.
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MY LANDS!
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Jamie Bakker: IT WAS
VERY NORMAL TO HAVE CAMERAS
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AROUND THE HOUSE
DURING CHRISTMAS.
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THIS WAS LIFE TO ME.
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Tammy: WE WERE PART
OF THEIR FAMILIES.
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WE LOVED THEM, AND THEY
LOVED US AS FAMILY PEOPLE.
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AND I THINK THAT'S WHY
IT WAS SO POWERFUL.
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RuPaul: THE PRAISE THE LORD
NETWORK TOOK OFF.
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FROM THIS MOMENT ON,
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THE PTL
TELEVISION NETWORK
PLANS TO BROADCAST...
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24 HOURS A DAY...
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UNTIL THE SECOND
COMING OF JESUS CHRIST.
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♪ JESUS KEEPS ON TAKING ME
HIGHER AND HIGHER ♪
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♪ HIGHER AND HIGHER ♪
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♪ HIGHER AND HIGHER ♪
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♪ JESUS KEEPS... ♪
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WE KEPT ADDING STATION
AFTER STATION AFTER STATION,
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AND IT WAS AN AWESOME
THING THAT HAPPENED.
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Jim: ALL OVER THE WORLD,
WE WERE DOING TELEVISION.
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WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST
4 SATELLITE NETWORKS
IN THE WORLD.
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Announcer:
YOU'RE WATCHING...
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THAT'S WHY LATER ON,
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THE PLUM THAT SO MANY
PEOPLE WANTED
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WAS THAT SATELLITE.
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RuPaul: BUT JIM WASN'T
SATISFIED WITH JUST
A TELEVISION NETWORK.
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Tammy:
JIM FELT THAT IF THE PEOPLE
WERE THERE ON THE GROUNDS
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AND COULD COME AND STAY
WHERE PTL WAS AND SEE,
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AND GET IN ON THE VISION...
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THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED.
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HE WANTED ALL THE PEOPLE
TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE THERE.
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RuPaul:
TO REALIZE THIS VISION,
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JIM BAKKER CONTACTED HIS
CHURCH BUILDER ROE MESSNER.
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Roe: I GOT ON A PLANE
AND WENT DOWN
TO CHARLOTTE,
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MET WITH JIM,
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AND HE LAID OUT THIS
GRANDIOSE PLAN
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THAT HE HAD FOR
2,500 ACRES
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AND WANTED TO KNOW
IF I WOULD, UH,
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DESIGN HIS BUILDINGS
AND BE HIS CONTRACTOR.
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RuPaul:
WHAT JIM ENVISIONED
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WAS NOTHING LESS THAN
A CHRISTIAN DISNEYLAND,
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A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR
RESORT
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THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY
INCLUDE A 500-ROOM HOTEL,
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A STATE-OF-THE-ART
BROADCAST FACILITY,
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AND A WATER PARK.
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♪ PRAISE THE LORD ♪
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♪ EVERYBODY
LIFT OUR VOICES... ♪
428
00:20:39,968 --> 00:20:43,267
WELL, PART OF THE EXCITEMENT
OF HERITAGE U.S.A., I BELIEVE,
429
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,968
WAS PEOPLE WATCHING
THE BUILDINGS GOING UP.
430
00:20:45,067 --> 00:20:49,400
AND I DON'T THINK MAYBE
I UNDERSTOOD THAT AS WELL
AS I WISH I WOULD HAVE.
431
00:20:49,434 --> 00:20:52,734
I GOT TO WHERE
I COULDN'T STAND TO HEAR
THE NAME ROE MESSNER.
432
00:20:52,767 --> 00:20:54,047
BECAUSE I--FOR ONE THING,
433
00:20:54,067 --> 00:20:58,267
I KNEW THAT BUILDINGS MEANT
RAISING LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY.
434
00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,934
RuPaul: JIM BAKKER
REACHED OUT TO HIS FOLLOWERS
435
00:21:00,968 --> 00:21:02,067
TO PAY FOR HIS DREAM CITY
436
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:04,567
WITH AN ENDLESS ROUND
OF TELETHONS.
437
00:21:04,601 --> 00:21:11,601
♪ PRAISE THE LORD ♪
438
00:21:12,567 --> 00:21:14,167
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...
439
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,167
RuPaul: BUT ENOUGH
WAS NEVER ENOUGH.
440
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,734
AND I KNOW SOME
OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN
BUSY SIGNALS,
441
00:21:18,767 --> 00:21:21,300
SO START DIALING
RIGHT NOW, AND YOU
CAN GET THROUGH.
442
00:21:21,334 --> 00:21:23,400
RENEW YOUR PLEDGE,
MAKE YOUR PLEDGE.
443
00:21:23,434 --> 00:21:25,801
WE APOLOGIZE FOR
THE BUSY SIGNALS.
444
00:21:25,834 --> 00:21:27,300
NOW PARTNERS
ARE SAYING, "JIM,
445
00:21:27,334 --> 00:21:29,100
WE WANT JIM AND TAMMY
IN OUR HOMES."
446
00:21:29,133 --> 00:21:34,200
Tammy: I BEGAN
TO FEEL LIKE PTL
HAD GROWN SO FAR PAST ME,
447
00:21:34,234 --> 00:21:37,734
AND I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
I WAS EVEN SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH
448
00:21:37,767 --> 00:21:40,047
TO BE IN SUCH
A HIGH POSITION.
449
00:21:40,067 --> 00:21:42,133
WE BEGAN TO LEAD
SEPARATE LIVES.
450
00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:45,834
JIM WAS SO BUSY RAISING MONEY
TO BUILD BUILDINGS,
451
00:21:45,868 --> 00:21:48,047
AND HE FORGOT HIS FAMILY.
452
00:21:48,067 --> 00:21:49,634
AND, UM...
453
00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:54,067
WE WERE LEFT
IN THE DUST SOMEWHERE.
454
00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:02,734
♪ THIS IS YOUR HERITAGE ♪
455
00:22:02,767 --> 00:22:04,400
♪ HERITAGE U.S.A. ♪
456
00:22:04,434 --> 00:22:05,868
RuPaul:
BY THE MID-EIGHTIES,
457
00:22:05,901 --> 00:22:07,167
HERITAGE PARK
WAS ON ITS WAY
458
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,234
TO BECOMING THE THIRD MOST
POPULAR RESORT DESTINATION
IN THE U.S.,
459
00:22:11,267 --> 00:22:15,047
BUT THE PRICE OF PTL's
SUCCESS KEPT CLIMBING.
460
00:22:15,067 --> 00:22:19,334
TODAY, WE ARE
AROUND $2 MILLION
IN PAST-DUE BILLS
461
00:22:19,367 --> 00:22:22,501
THAT MUST BE PAID
IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE
THE ENTIRE NETWORK.
462
00:22:22,534 --> 00:22:24,834
SOON, I FIND MYSELF
WITH A BUDGET
463
00:22:24,868 --> 00:22:27,434
OF A MILLION DOLLARS
EVERY 2 DAYS.
464
00:22:27,467 --> 00:22:30,667
AND THE TAIL BEGAN
TO WAG THE DOG.
465
00:22:30,701 --> 00:22:33,467
YOU KNOW, REALLY,
IF EVERYONE WOULD DOUBLE
THEIR PLEDGE ONE MONTH...
466
00:22:33,501 --> 00:22:37,501
IF EVERY PERSON THAT
WATCHED THIS TELECAST
COULD GIVE $10 A MONTH...
467
00:22:37,534 --> 00:22:40,234
IF YOU HAVEN'T PLEDGED
THAT $15 A MONTH...
468
00:22:40,267 --> 00:22:42,667
CALL RIGHT NOW.
I WANT TO SEND YOU...
469
00:22:42,701 --> 00:22:45,968
THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE
RICE-PADDY BABY
470
00:22:46,067 --> 00:22:47,734
FOR YOUR GIFT OF $100.
471
00:22:47,767 --> 00:22:49,934
RuPaul: PTL's
CRISIS RIDDEN FINANCES
472
00:22:49,968 --> 00:22:53,934
ATTRACTED THE ATTENTION
OF A YOUNG REPORTER
AT THE LOCAL PAPER,
473
00:22:53,968 --> 00:22:55,534
THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER.
474
00:22:55,567 --> 00:22:58,434
I HAD BEEN REPORTING ON PTL
FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
475
00:22:58,467 --> 00:23:01,167
AND THERE WAS A HISTORY
OF MISMANAGEMENT,
476
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,734
AND OF QUESTIONABLE
SPENDING OF MONEY.
477
00:23:02,767 --> 00:23:06,047
TAMMY AND I
ARE UNDERGOING
THE MOST VICIOUS ATTACKS
478
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:08,834
IN THE HISTORY
OF THIS MINISTRY.
479
00:23:08,868 --> 00:23:10,300
BY NOW, PERHAPS,
YOU THINK
480
00:23:10,334 --> 00:23:12,567
THAT WE SHOULD BE
USED TO THESE ATTACKS.
481
00:23:12,601 --> 00:23:14,968
BUT IT'S BEEN GOING ON
FOR A LONG TIME, TAMMY.
482
00:23:15,067 --> 00:23:17,047
YES, JIM.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON
FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS.
483
00:23:17,067 --> 00:23:19,133
USA TODAY CARRIED
THIS BLURB:
484
00:23:19,167 --> 00:23:20,400
"PTL PRESIDENT JIM BAKKER
485
00:23:20,434 --> 00:23:22,267
USED DONATIONS
TO HIS TELEVISION MINISTRY
486
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,334
TO BUY PERSONAL ITEMS,
LIKE A MINK COAT,
487
00:23:24,367 --> 00:23:25,801
A SPORTS CAR,
AND A HOUSE BOAT,
488
00:23:25,834 --> 00:23:28,267
THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER
REPORTED SUNDAY."
489
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,133
I HAVE ALL
THE CANCELLED CHECKS.
490
00:23:31,167 --> 00:23:32,133
I'LL HAVE TO PICK 'EM
ALL BACK UP AGAIN.
491
00:23:32,167 --> 00:23:36,567
I THINK THE FACT IS BAKKER
LATCHED ONTO AN IDEA
492
00:23:36,601 --> 00:23:40,067
THAT WAS GONNA HELP
PROPEL HIS MINISTRY FORWARD,
493
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,767
AND IT THEN BECAME
A VERY CONVENIENT WAY
494
00:23:42,801 --> 00:23:44,601
TO DO A LOT
OF OTHER THINGS,
495
00:23:44,634 --> 00:23:46,067
AND HE MADE
SOME STATEMENTS
496
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,067
ABOUT WHAT HE WAS
GONNA DO WITH THIS MONEY,
497
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:49,434
THAT HE THEN
DID NOT FOLLOW.
498
00:23:49,467 --> 00:23:51,467
Announcer: HERE ARE
JIM AND TAMMY BAKKER!
499
00:23:51,501 --> 00:23:54,167
RuPaul: DESPITE THE ATTACKS,
THE BAKKERS CONTINUED TO SHINE
500
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,200
AS CHRISTIAN TELEVISION'S
BRIGHTEST STARS.
501
00:23:57,234 --> 00:23:58,200
BY SPECIAL REQUEST,
502
00:23:58,234 --> 00:24:01,567
HERE'S TAMMY FAYE
TO SING WE'RE BLESSED!
503
00:24:01,601 --> 00:24:04,834
♪ WE'RE BLESSED,
WE'RE BLESSED,
WE'RE BLESSED ♪
504
00:24:04,868 --> 00:24:06,400
♪ WE ARE BLESSED ♪
505
00:24:06,434 --> 00:24:09,267
♪ OH, WE GIVE SHELTER,
CLOTHING, AND STRENGTH ♪
506
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,167
♪ WE ARE BLESSED ♪
507
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,767
♪ WE'RE BLESSED,
WE'RE BLESSED,
WE'RE BLESSED ♪
508
00:24:13,801 --> 00:24:18,267
OFF SCREEN, THEIR MARRIAGE
WAS FALLING APART.
509
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,047
JIM HAD A SECRET.
510
00:24:20,067 --> 00:24:24,067
JIM BAKKER,
MEET JESSICA HAHN.
511
00:24:27,067 --> 00:24:29,901
Charles: IN 1980, ONE OF HIS
RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATES
512
00:24:29,934 --> 00:24:32,467
HAD ARRANGED
AN ENCOUNTER IN A HOTEL ROOM
513
00:24:32,501 --> 00:24:33,567
WITH A WOMAN
NAMED JESSICA HAHN,
514
00:24:33,601 --> 00:24:35,167
A YOUNG WOMAN,
I THINK, IN HER EARLY 20s.
515
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,767
AND THAT LED TO
A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER
OF SOME KIND OR ANOTHER.
516
00:24:39,801 --> 00:24:44,100
THERE'S A DISPUTE
OVER WHAT EXACTLY
HAPPENED IN THAT ROOM.
517
00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:48,767
THAT DAY ALL MY DREAMS
WERE SHATTERED
518
00:24:48,801 --> 00:24:52,834
AND MY LIFE WOULD NEVER
BE THE SAME.
519
00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:05,167
Charles: IN EARLY 1985...
520
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,601
PTL AGREED TO SETTLE
521
00:25:07,634 --> 00:25:10,300
A THREATENED LAWSUIT
BY JESSICA HAHN
522
00:25:10,334 --> 00:25:11,501
BY PAYING HER
A SUM OF MONEY.
523
00:25:11,534 --> 00:25:14,868
RuPaul: ONCE AGAIN,
THE PTL NETWORK
TURNED TO ROE MESSNER,
524
00:25:14,901 --> 00:25:17,834
APPARENTLY WITHOUT
JIM'S KNOWLEDGE.
525
00:25:17,868 --> 00:25:21,400
Roe: THEY CAME TO ME AND
SAID WE GOT A PROBLEM.
526
00:25:21,434 --> 00:25:24,767
WE'VE MADE AN AGREEMENT
WITH THIS LADY
527
00:25:24,801 --> 00:25:29,534
THAT IF WE
PAY HER $265,000,
528
00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:31,501
SHE'LL GO AWAY.
529
00:25:31,534 --> 00:25:35,400
AND I SAID THAT'S
NOT THE WAY TO DO THAT.
530
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:36,701
I SAID YOU
SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
531
00:25:36,734 --> 00:25:38,767
I SAID, "I'LL LOAN
YOU THE MONEY,
532
00:25:38,801 --> 00:25:40,167
BUT," I SAYS,
"IT'S A LOAN.
533
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,667
I WANT THE MONEY
PAID BACK."
534
00:25:41,701 --> 00:25:44,634
RuPaul: UNAWARE
OF JIM'S SECRET,
535
00:25:44,667 --> 00:25:47,734
TAMMY FAYE WAS STRUGGLING
WITH HER OWN.
536
00:25:47,767 --> 00:25:49,667
JOIN THE PTL CLUB,
537
00:25:49,701 --> 00:25:52,968
AND TAMMY WANTS TO
SEND YOU A COPY OF HER BOOK
538
00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:55,834
HOW TO OVERCOME FEAR.
539
00:25:55,868 --> 00:25:57,634
Tammy: I BECAME
VERY NERVOUS,
540
00:25:57,667 --> 00:25:58,634
SO I WENT
TO THE DOCTOR
541
00:25:58,667 --> 00:25:59,767
WITH A
HYPERVENTILATION
PROBLEM,
542
00:25:59,801 --> 00:26:04,667
AND THEY KNEW
IT WAS A CASE OF
NERVOUS FRUSTRATION.
543
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:08,567
AND SO THEY
GAVE ME A LITTLE
PILL CALLED ADAVAN.
544
00:26:08,601 --> 00:26:10,868
AND ADAVAN...
545
00:26:10,901 --> 00:26:14,067
WAS A WONDERFUL DRUG
FOR ME AT THE TIME.
546
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,834
I DIDN'T TAKE
MY MEDICINE TODAY
547
00:26:15,868 --> 00:26:17,100
BECAUSE I WANTED
TO BE BRIGHT.
548
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:18,968
YESTERDAY,
I ALMOST FELL OFF
MY HIGH HEELS.
549
00:26:19,067 --> 00:26:22,100
I WAS ON MEDICINE,
TAKING MY MEDICINE,
SO I'M NOT SAYING--
550
00:26:22,133 --> 00:26:25,601
THIS WAS HER WAY OF
DEALING WITH THE STRESS
551
00:26:25,634 --> 00:26:29,234
THAT SHE WAS UNDER
IN THE RELATIONSHIP.
552
00:26:29,267 --> 00:26:31,234
AND SHE WOULD
LITERALLY LOSE TRACK
553
00:26:31,267 --> 00:26:34,047
OF THE NUMBER OF ADAVAN
THAT SHE WOULD TAKE.
554
00:26:34,067 --> 00:26:37,167
TAMMY, I THINK YOU OUGHT
TO SING A SONG FOR US.
555
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,968
I'M BACK HERE LOOKING
AT THE BOAT, JIM.
556
00:26:39,067 --> 00:26:40,367
ISN'T THIS
A MAGNIFICENT THING?
557
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,367
YES.
558
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,934
RIGHT HERE
ON OUR BEACH.
559
00:26:42,968 --> 00:26:44,801
IT LOOKS BRAND NEW.
I BET--
560
00:26:44,834 --> 00:26:47,334
I'M GONNA TAKE
MY SHOES OFF AND
WADE IN THE WATER.
561
00:26:47,367 --> 00:26:50,767
I DON'T THINK THAT
BOAT'S EVER SEEN WATER.
562
00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:51,934
[GIGGLING]
563
00:26:51,968 --> 00:26:53,047
I FINALLY GOT
TO THE POINT
564
00:26:53,067 --> 00:26:56,534
WHERE I HAD
TO HAVE ADAVAN
WITH ME AT ALL TIMES.
565
00:26:56,567 --> 00:26:59,601
RuPaul:
THEN TAMMY OVERDOSED.
566
00:26:59,634 --> 00:27:01,047
Tammy: WE HAD JUST
BROKEN GROUND
567
00:27:01,067 --> 00:27:03,567
FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS
THAT WE WERE GETTING
READY TO BUILD.
568
00:27:03,601 --> 00:27:06,667
IT WAS GOING TO BE
A FOOTBALL FIELD LONG.
569
00:27:06,701 --> 00:27:08,100
AND WE HAD
BROKEN GROUND.
570
00:27:08,133 --> 00:27:10,067
THE DAY WAS
VERY, VERY COLD,
571
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:12,534
AND NONE OF US HAD
WORN PROPER CLOTHING.
572
00:27:12,567 --> 00:27:16,367
AND I GOT PNEUMONIA
AS A RESULT OF THAT.
573
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,434
THEY SAID THAT I HAD
ENOUGH ADAVAN IN ME
574
00:27:19,467 --> 00:27:22,047
THAT WOULD'VE KILLED
A HUGE TRUCK DRIVER.
575
00:27:22,067 --> 00:27:24,767
RuPaul: TAMMY WAS RUSHED
ON A FRIEND'S PRIVATE JET
576
00:27:24,801 --> 00:27:29,267
TO EISENHOWER MEDICAL CENTER
IN PALM SPRINGS, CALIFORNIA.
577
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,968
ON THE AIRPLANE I WENT
INTO HALLUCINATIONS.
578
00:27:34,534 --> 00:27:35,701
IT-IT'S PLEASANT.
579
00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:38,567
IT IS PLEASANT
WHEN YOU'RE IN A
DRUG-INDUCED STATE OF MIND.
580
00:27:38,601 --> 00:27:42,634
I MEAN, YOU CAN SIT
AND WATCH WONDERFUL THINGS,
581
00:27:42,667 --> 00:27:45,100
AND I SAW CARTOONS.
582
00:27:45,133 --> 00:27:46,234
BUT THEN
THERE ARE TIMES
583
00:27:46,267 --> 00:27:49,334
WHEN YOU SEE REALLY
HORRIBLE THINGS, TOO.
584
00:27:50,434 --> 00:27:53,300
I SAW THESE MEN WITH
THESE BLACK CAPES ON.
585
00:27:53,334 --> 00:27:55,901
I SAW THEM COMING
AT ME IN DROVES.
586
00:27:55,934 --> 00:27:57,334
RuPaul: ONCE ON THE PLANE,
587
00:27:57,367 --> 00:28:02,334
TAMMY TRIED TO DISEMBARK
AT 30,000 FEET.
588
00:28:05,534 --> 00:28:07,067
Tammy: THEY TOOK ME
FROM THE HOSPITAL
589
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,334
DIRECTLY TO
THE BETTY FORD CENTER.
590
00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:11,868
I THOUGHT I WAS BEING
PUNISHED FOR SOMETHING,
591
00:28:11,901 --> 00:28:16,267
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
I WAS BEING PUNISHED FOR.
592
00:28:34,067 --> 00:28:36,868
IT STILL HURTS ME...
593
00:28:36,901 --> 00:28:41,834
THAT THEY DID NOT
TELL ME THEY WERE
GONNA DO THAT TO ME.
594
00:28:41,868 --> 00:28:45,968
SHE SPENT ONE NIGHT
THERE AND THEN LEFT.
595
00:28:46,067 --> 00:28:48,300
ALL I NEEDED
WAS TO BE EDUCATED,
596
00:28:48,334 --> 00:28:51,167
BECAUSE I'M
AN INTELLIGENT PERSON,
AND THAT'S ALL I NEEDED.
597
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400
ONCE I WAS EDUCATED
AND REALIZED WHAT I WAS DOING,
598
00:28:54,434 --> 00:28:57,734
I STOPPED IT
AND I HAVE NEVER, EVER
599
00:28:57,767 --> 00:29:02,234
HAVE HAD TO--HAVE--HAVE,
UH...BEEN ADDICTED
TO ANYTHING AGAIN.
600
00:29:04,267 --> 00:29:06,047
JUST DIET COKE.
601
00:29:06,067 --> 00:29:08,701
BUT THE PRESIDENT
LIKES IT, TOO,
602
00:29:08,734 --> 00:29:11,667
SO I'M
IN GOOD COMPANY.
603
00:29:14,868 --> 00:29:16,434
[BLEEP]
604
00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:18,868
Both: HEE HEE HEE HEE.
605
00:29:18,901 --> 00:29:20,467
I WENT AWAY
FOR A WHILE,
606
00:29:20,501 --> 00:29:25,267
AND I HAVE LEARNED
THE BEST LESSON
IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
607
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:28,567
I LEARNED HOW MUCH
I LOVED MY HUSBAND,
608
00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:30,801
HOW MUCH I CARED
FOR MY HUSBAND.
609
00:29:30,834 --> 00:29:33,367
AND I LEARNED
A LESSON OF LONELINESS
610
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,567
SUCH AS I'VE NEVER
FELT IN MY LIFE.
611
00:29:35,601 --> 00:29:37,334
WHEN I HAD TO
GO OUT ALL OF A SUDDEN
612
00:29:37,367 --> 00:29:39,667
AND GO BY MYSELF
AND DO MY WASHING
613
00:29:39,701 --> 00:29:41,601
TO A PLACE WHERE
I DIDN'T EVEN--
614
00:29:41,634 --> 00:29:42,601
WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH,
615
00:29:42,634 --> 00:29:45,000
WHEN I HAD TO CARRY OUT MY
OWN GARBAGE,
616
00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:47,567
WHEN I HAD TO DO
ALL THE THINGS
617
00:29:47,601 --> 00:29:49,467
THAT I DID WITH
SOMEONE I LOVED BEFORE,
618
00:29:49,501 --> 00:29:51,567
WHEN I HAD TO
DO IT ALL BY MYSELF,
619
00:29:51,601 --> 00:29:53,100
ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I REALIZED
620
00:29:53,133 --> 00:29:57,501
THAT THERE WAS
A LOT MORE TO MARRIAGE
THAN JUST THE SPARKLES.
621
00:29:57,534 --> 00:30:02,100
RuPaul: JIM AND TAMMY
DECIDED TO STAY IN THEIR
HOME IN PALM SPRINGS
622
00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:03,968
AND PUT THEIR MARRIAGE
BACK TOGETHER,
623
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,701
BUT THINGS
TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY.
624
00:30:08,667 --> 00:30:10,634
THE THING I REMEMBER
MOST ABOUT THIS HOUSE,
625
00:30:10,667 --> 00:30:12,868
I BELIEVE,
IS THE WIND.
626
00:30:12,901 --> 00:30:15,601
WE USED TO GO UP
ON TOP OF THE ROOF
OF THE GARAGE
627
00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:19,701
AND LISTEN TO
THE WIND BLOWING THROUGH
THE PALM TREES AT NIGHT.
628
00:30:19,734 --> 00:30:24,400
AND THE MOON WOULD BE OUT.
IT WOULD BE SO BEAUTIFUL
HERE IN THE DESERT.
629
00:30:24,434 --> 00:30:26,934
THIS IS THE HOUSE
WHERE OUR WHOLE LIVES
630
00:30:26,968 --> 00:30:29,267
CAME TUMBLING DOWN ON US.
631
00:30:30,734 --> 00:30:33,200
I WAS STILL VERY WEAK
AND VERY SICK
632
00:30:33,234 --> 00:30:36,234
WHEN I FINISHED
THE BETTY FORD PROGRAM.
633
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:38,200
AND JIM WAS
REALLY BURNED OUT,
634
00:30:38,234 --> 00:30:39,901
HAVING TO RAISE
$1 MILLION A WEEK
635
00:30:39,934 --> 00:30:42,901
TO KEEP PTL ON THE AIR,
AND TO KEEP ALL
THE BILLS PAID.
636
00:30:42,934 --> 00:30:45,701
Jim: IT WAS BEGINNING
TO CRUSH ME.
637
00:30:45,734 --> 00:30:47,601
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
638
00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:50,868
I WOULD LITERALLY
HAVE TO THINK TO WALK.
639
00:30:50,901 --> 00:30:53,868
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
CAN UNDERSTAND THAT,
BUT I'D HAVE TO--
640
00:30:53,901 --> 00:30:57,300
I WAS SO EXHAUSTED,
I'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW--
641
00:30:57,334 --> 00:30:59,300
USUALLY YOUR BODY WILL
JUST WALK BY ITSELF,
642
00:30:59,334 --> 00:31:03,267
BUT I'M HAVING
TO PICK UP MY FEET
ON PURPOSE TO WALK.
643
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:08,467
AND SO JERRY FALWELL
KNEW JUST WHEN TO HIT.
644
00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:13,334
RuPaul: ALTHOUGH JIM AND
TAMMY WERE THE MOST POPULAR
EVANGELISTS OF THEIR TIME,
645
00:31:13,367 --> 00:31:17,667
SOUTHERN BAPTIST MINISTER
JERRY FALWELL WAS
THE MOST POWERFUL.
646
00:31:17,701 --> 00:31:20,133
HE WAS THE FOUNDER
OF THE MORAL MAJORITY
647
00:31:20,167 --> 00:31:23,300
AND PLAYED A KEY ROLE
IN REAGAN'S ELECTION.
648
00:31:23,334 --> 00:31:25,534
HE PREACHED A RETURN
TO FAMILY VALUES
649
00:31:25,567 --> 00:31:31,234
AND SINGLED OUT
THE PRO-ABORTION AND
GAY MOVEMENTS FOR ATTACK.
650
00:31:31,434 --> 00:31:35,934
FALWELL'S EMPIRE
INCLUDED A SUCCESSFUL
TELEVISION MINISTRY
651
00:31:35,968 --> 00:31:37,367
AND A UNIVERSITY,
652
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,334
BUT IT DID NOT
INCLUDE A SATELLITE.
653
00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,200
HE CALLS JIM UP
AND HE SAYS,
654
00:31:44,234 --> 00:31:48,300
"JIM, I HAVE FOUND
SOMETHING OUT THAT
I AM GOING TO--
655
00:31:48,334 --> 00:31:51,901
"THAT IS GOING TO BE
LEAKED TO THE NEWSPAPERS
656
00:31:51,934 --> 00:31:55,300
"IF YOU DON'T
ALLOW ME TO HELP YOU."
657
00:31:55,334 --> 00:31:57,167
HE SAYS, "LET ME FLY OUT
TO CALIFORNIA,
658
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,901
AND I WANT TO HELP YOU
AND TAMMY THROUGH THIS."
659
00:31:59,934 --> 00:32:03,701
AND THEN HE BROUGHT UP
THE NAME JESSICA HAHN.
660
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,047
THIS IS WHERE
I HEARD JIM TELL ME
661
00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:12,968
THAT HE HAD HAD
A ONE-NIGHT STAND
662
00:32:13,067 --> 00:32:15,701
WITH A YOUNG LADY
BY THE NAME OF JESSICA HAHN.
663
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:18,534
EVEN THOUGH IT HAD
HAPPENED 9 YEARS BEFORE,
664
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:22,601
TO ME, IT WAS LIKE
IT HAD HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
665
00:32:22,634 --> 00:32:25,667
I LAID ON THE FLOOR
AND I CRIED FOR 3 DAYS.
666
00:32:25,701 --> 00:32:29,167
I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO MY LIFE.
667
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,367
AND I DIDN'T KNOW
HOW TO SOLVE IT.
668
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,167
RuPaul: TAMMY WROTE
TO JESSICA HAHN,
669
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,400
ASKING TO MEET WITH HER.
SHE DECLINED.
670
00:32:40,434 --> 00:32:43,300
SHE DID, HOWEVER,
TELL HER SIDE OF THE STORY
671
00:32:43,334 --> 00:32:46,467
IN A 1993 PLAYBOY VIDEO.
672
00:32:46,501 --> 00:32:48,200
I WOULD REALLY
LIKE PEOPLE TO KNOW
673
00:32:48,234 --> 00:32:51,834
THERE ARE SIDES
OF MY PERSONALITY
THAT NO ONE HAS SEEN.
674
00:32:51,868 --> 00:32:56,501
I WOULD JUST LIKE PEOPLE
TO KNOW THE REAL ME.
675
00:33:03,801 --> 00:33:05,834
Tammy: JERRY FALWELL
FLEW HIS PRIVATE JET OUT.
676
00:33:05,868 --> 00:33:08,467
HE SAID--HE PUT
HIS ARMS AROUND ME--
"I WANT TO HELP YOU."
677
00:33:08,501 --> 00:33:12,334
AND WITH THAT, HE SAID,
"IF YOU WILL GIVE PTL
TO ME FOR 6 WEEKS,"
678
00:33:12,367 --> 00:33:16,701
HE SAID, "WHILE
THIS STORY BREAKS,
WHICH IS BOUND TO BREAK,"
679
00:33:16,734 --> 00:33:19,834
HE SAID,
"WE WILL BE THE CATALYST,
680
00:33:19,868 --> 00:33:23,047
"AND IN 6 WEEKS,
YOU WILL HAVE
YOUR MINISTRY BACK,
681
00:33:23,067 --> 00:33:24,934
AND IT WILL BE LIKE
NOTHING EVER HAPPENED."
682
00:33:24,968 --> 00:33:29,067
AN ATTACK ON
ONE DENOMINATION
IS AN ATTACK ON ALL.
683
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,601
WE MUST SHARE
THE BREAD OF ADVERSITY
684
00:33:31,634 --> 00:33:32,601
AND THE WATER
OF AFFLICTION.
685
00:33:32,634 --> 00:33:34,801
JIM SWALLOWED IT
HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER.
686
00:33:34,834 --> 00:33:39,934
BUT I KNEW THERE WAS
SOMETHING WRONG SOMEWHERE,
687
00:33:39,968 --> 00:33:42,234
AND I BEGGED HIM--
I BEGGED HIM
688
00:33:42,267 --> 00:33:45,200
NOT TO GIVE UP HIS PLACE
ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
689
00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:48,701
I TOLD HIM,
"GO BACK AND TALK TO
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
690
00:33:48,734 --> 00:33:50,567
"GO BACK AND
TALK TO YOUR PEOPLE
691
00:33:50,601 --> 00:33:52,734
BEFORE YOU DO
SOMETHING LIKE THIS."
692
00:33:52,767 --> 00:33:54,133
AND JIM SAID, "NO.
693
00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:55,133
"DADDY FALWELL'S HERE.
694
00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:58,534
HE'LL TAKE CARE
OF EVERYTHING."
695
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:07,300
BY EARLY 1987,
I HAD COLLECTED
THE INFORMATION
696
00:34:07,334 --> 00:34:12,734
I NEEDED TO PUBLISH
A STORY ABOUT JESSICA HAHN
AND ABOUT THAT PAYOFF.
697
00:34:13,434 --> 00:34:15,367
ON MARCH 19, 1987,
698
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,047
IN AN INTERVIEW
WITH US ABOUT THE STORY,
699
00:34:18,067 --> 00:34:21,767
INSTEAD OF AN INTERVIEW,
WE HEARD A RESIGNATION
SPEECH OVER THE TELEPHONE.
700
00:34:21,801 --> 00:34:25,367
JIM WAS IN CALIFORNIA.
HE READ THIS RESIGNATION.
701
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,567
HE GOT OFF THE PHONE
AND IMMEDIATELY
702
00:34:27,601 --> 00:34:29,267
A MAN NAMED
JERRY FALWELL COMES ON,
703
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,534
WHICH IS A SHOCK TO ALL
OF US AT THE NEWSPAPER.
704
00:34:31,567 --> 00:34:36,834
AND FALWELL HAS
BEEN GIVEN BY JIM
THE MANTLE OF RUNNING PTL.
705
00:34:36,868 --> 00:34:38,901
HOW CAN WE SAY THANK YOU
FOR YOU GENTLEMEN
706
00:34:38,934 --> 00:34:43,200
WHO HAVE STOOD
BY JIM AND TAMMY'S SIDE,
AND ALL OF OUR SIDE?
707
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:45,067
IF OUR ARMS
WERE BIG ENOUGH,
708
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,667
WE'D JUST WRAP THEM
ALL AROUND ALL OF YOU.
709
00:34:47,701 --> 00:34:48,734
WE REALLY WOULD.
710
00:34:48,767 --> 00:34:49,801
Charles: THAT STORY
EXPLODED.
711
00:34:49,834 --> 00:34:53,200
IT WAS THE STORY
FOR NEWSPAPERS
712
00:34:53,234 --> 00:34:56,133
AND TELEVISION
AROUND THE COUNTRY.
713
00:34:58,534 --> 00:35:00,100
ARE YOU PLANNING
ON COMING BACK?
714
00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:01,400
I REMEMBER
GOING TO PTL
715
00:35:01,434 --> 00:35:02,801
AND GOING INTO
THIS NEWS CONFERENCE
716
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:04,901
THAT FALWELL HELD
AT THE HOTEL,
717
00:35:04,934 --> 00:35:07,634
AND I HAVE TO SAY,
FEELING SOME BLUSH OF PRIDE
718
00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:11,734
AT WHAT MY GOOD REPORTING
HAD CREATED HERE.
719
00:35:11,767 --> 00:35:13,234
Tammy: O.J. SIMPSON
WAS NOTHING
720
00:35:13,267 --> 00:35:15,434
COMPARED TO WHAT
WE HAD AROUND US.
721
00:35:15,467 --> 00:35:16,634
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
722
00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:18,467
WE JUST WANTED
TO SAY HELLO,
723
00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:19,767
AND THANK ALL
YOU CAMERAMEN
724
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,200
AND ALL YOU
PRESS PEOPLE.
725
00:35:21,234 --> 00:35:23,200
I HATE IT
YOU HAD TO STAND OUT
726
00:35:23,234 --> 00:35:24,968
IN THIS HOT SUN
IN THIS DESERT.
727
00:35:25,067 --> 00:35:28,400
THEY WERE 4,
5 DEEP FOR THE WHOLE BLOCK,
728
00:35:28,434 --> 00:35:29,667
DOWN ALL AROUND OUR HOUSE.
729
00:35:29,701 --> 00:35:33,047
THERE WAS NO PLACE
FOR US TO HIDE AT ALL.
730
00:35:33,067 --> 00:35:36,067
REMEMBER, I WAS
11 YEARS OLD WHEN
THIS WAS HAPPENING,
731
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,567
BUT I COULD TELL
SOMETHING WAS GOING WRONG.
732
00:35:38,601 --> 00:35:42,734
SHARE WITH US.
HOW'S JAMIE CHARLES
AND TAMMY SUE DOING?
733
00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:43,734
WE'RE CONCERNED.
734
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,133
I WISH YOU'D
STARTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
735
00:35:46,167 --> 00:35:47,734
[CRYING]
736
00:35:48,167 --> 00:35:50,634
ONE OF THE LAST THING
JAMIE CHARLES SAID IS,
737
00:35:50,667 --> 00:35:54,167
"WILL I GET A CHANCE
TO GO HOME AND GET MY TOYS?"
738
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,968
Man: AW, BLESS HIM.
739
00:35:56,601 --> 00:35:57,934
AND SUSIE'S DOING WELL.
740
00:35:57,968 --> 00:36:01,067
I RAN AWAY
FROM HOME.
741
00:36:02,868 --> 00:36:04,567
WHAT WOULD
ANY TEENAGER DO?
742
00:36:04,601 --> 00:36:06,834
RUN AWAY.
THAT'S THE ANSWER.
743
00:36:06,868 --> 00:36:09,868
YOU KNOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.
744
00:36:10,901 --> 00:36:12,834
RuPaul: ON JUNE 11, 1987,
745
00:36:12,868 --> 00:36:14,067
JIM AND TAMMY
WENT ON THE AIR
746
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:18,467
TO ADDRESS THE PTL AUDIENCE
FOR WHAT WOULD BE
THE LAST TIME.
747
00:36:18,501 --> 00:36:20,334
TAMMY AND I ARE
SO VERY GLAD
748
00:36:20,367 --> 00:36:22,934
THAT WE'VE
BEEN GRANTED
THIS OPPORTUNITY
749
00:36:22,968 --> 00:36:26,047
TO TALK
WITH YOU TODAY.
750
00:36:26,067 --> 00:36:28,047
AND SAY HELLO.
751
00:36:28,067 --> 00:36:31,133
YES. HELLO, EVERYONE.
752
00:36:31,167 --> 00:36:34,133
AND WE WANT
TO SAY TO YOU
753
00:36:34,167 --> 00:36:37,667
THAT WE ARE SO
VERY, VERY SORRY.
754
00:36:37,701 --> 00:36:39,901
I BELIEVE, TAMMY,
755
00:36:39,934 --> 00:36:42,267
'CAUSE THE GOD I
SERVE IS STILL GOD,
756
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,334
I BELIEVE THE SUN
WILL SHINE AGAIN.
757
00:36:45,367 --> 00:36:46,334
OH, I DO, TOO, JIM.
758
00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,334
YOU WANT TO SING IT?
759
00:36:47,367 --> 00:36:48,400
I'LL DO IT.
CAN YOU DO IT?
760
00:36:48,434 --> 00:36:50,734
ALL RIGHT,
TAMMY FAYE IS GONNA
SING A SONG FOR YOU
761
00:36:50,767 --> 00:36:54,400
JUST BEFORE
WE LEAVE OUR HOUSE.
762
00:36:54,701 --> 00:36:57,367
MAYBE YOU'RE HURTING
AND YOU NEED THIS
SONG TODAY, TOO,
763
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,234
SO, I'LL SING IT
FOR BOTH OF US, OK?
764
00:37:00,267 --> 00:37:07,167
♪ OH, THE SUN
WILL SHINE AGAIN ♪
765
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,534
♪ THE SUN
WILL SHINE AGAIN ♪
766
00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:20,167
♪ OH, THE SUN
WILL SHINE AGAIN ♪
767
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,167
WE CAME IN HERE FIRST
768
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,767
BECAUSE WE FELT
JIM BAKKER WANTED US HERE.
769
00:37:23,801 --> 00:37:27,601
♪ A NEW DAY
WILL BREAK ♪
770
00:37:27,634 --> 00:37:30,133
WE NOW FEEL
A HIGHER CALLING.
771
00:37:30,167 --> 00:37:32,534
WE FEEL THAT GOD
WANTS US HERE,
772
00:37:32,567 --> 00:37:33,801
AT LEAST FOR
THE TIME BEING.
773
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:38,133
JERRY FALWELL CAME IN
TO RESCUE THE NETWORK,
774
00:37:38,167 --> 00:37:41,467
BUT, IN FACT, TOOK IT.
775
00:37:41,501 --> 00:37:44,601
RESCUE, TAKE,
THEY'RE OPPOSITES.
776
00:37:44,634 --> 00:37:47,434
I FEEL LIKE GOD HAS
FORGIVEN ME OF SO MUCH,
777
00:37:47,467 --> 00:37:52,067
THAT I WILL
FORGIVE EVERYONE
WHO HAS HURT US.
778
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,667
AND SO WE JUST
WANT EVERYONE
779
00:37:53,701 --> 00:37:55,234
TO BEGIN TO
LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
780
00:37:55,267 --> 00:37:57,868
AND THAT THE CHURCH WORLD
WILL LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
781
00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,334
THAT THE PEOPLE OF GOD
WILL NOT FIGHT.
782
00:38:00,367 --> 00:38:03,367
OH, I BELIEVE YOUR
MIDNIGHT'S ALMOST OVER.
783
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,467
AND THANK GOD,
THE SUN IS GOING
TO SHINE AGAIN.
784
00:38:08,501 --> 00:38:09,567
PRAISE THE LORD.
785
00:38:09,601 --> 00:38:10,567
[APPLAUSE]
786
00:38:10,601 --> 00:38:13,601
Man: HALLELUJAH!
PRAISE THE LORD!
787
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,634
Roe: JERRY FALWELL
CALLED ME UP,
788
00:38:21,667 --> 00:38:23,901
AND HE SAID, "ROE,
I WANT YOU TO GO OUT
789
00:38:23,934 --> 00:38:26,234
AND SEE
JIM AND TAMMY FOR ME."
790
00:38:26,267 --> 00:38:27,667
HE SAID, "I WANT YOU
TO GO OUT THERE
791
00:38:27,701 --> 00:38:29,067
"AND TELL THEM
I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM
792
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,567
"300,000 SALARY
THIS YEAR.
793
00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:33,634
"I'M GOING TO TAKE CARE OF
THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE,
794
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:35,634
"PAY THE PHONE BILL,
795
00:38:35,667 --> 00:38:38,601
"I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM
ONE SECURITY GUARD,
796
00:38:38,634 --> 00:38:39,901
A MAID," HE SAID,
797
00:38:39,934 --> 00:38:42,434
AND YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE
THEM WRITE IT DOWN
ON A PIECE OF PAPER."
798
00:38:42,467 --> 00:38:46,047
ROE, THINKING
THAT FALWELL WAS
AN HONORABLE MAN,
799
00:38:46,067 --> 00:38:49,334
CAME OUT TO OUR
HOUSE AND TOLD US THIS.
800
00:38:49,367 --> 00:38:52,734
AND SO HE SAID,
"TAMMY, YOU NEED TO
JUST GET A PIECE OF PAPER
801
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:54,767
"AND YOU NEED TO WRITE
DOWN THE LIST OF BENEFITS
802
00:38:54,801 --> 00:38:57,968
"THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
VOTED FOR YOU TO HAVE,
803
00:38:58,067 --> 00:39:01,968
AND MR. FALWELL WANTS
TO CONTINUE THOSE FOR A YEAR."
804
00:39:02,067 --> 00:39:03,868
AND I GAVE JERRY,
805
00:39:03,901 --> 00:39:06,968
I GAVE HIM THIS--
THIS THING
806
00:39:07,067 --> 00:39:10,167
WITH TAMMY'S
PINK STATIONARY.
807
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,901
HE GOES TO THE CAMERA
RIGHT THEN.
808
00:39:18,067 --> 00:39:20,200
WE WERE IN OUR HOME
AND CNN WAS ON,
809
00:39:20,234 --> 00:39:24,467
AND, OF COURSE,
WE WERE WATCHING IT.
810
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,801
JIM AND TAMMY GAVE ME
THIS LIST OF THINGS
THEY'D LIKE TO RECEIVE.
811
00:39:29,834 --> 00:39:32,968
JIM'S SALARY,
FOR A LIFETIME,
812
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,067
AT $300,000 PER YEAR.
813
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,400
TAMMY'S SALARY,
FOR A LIFETIME,
$100,000.
814
00:39:37,434 --> 00:39:39,167
SECRETARY FOR ONE YEAR...
PHONE BILL..2 CARS...
815
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,267
HOUSE ON THE LAKE...
SECURITY...
816
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,400
AND THE FURNITURE.
THEY WANT A MAID.
817
00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:47,300
I DON'T SEE
ANY REPENTANCE THERE.
818
00:39:47,334 --> 00:39:50,267
I SEE THE GREED.
819
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,767
I SEE
THE SELF-CENTEREDNESS.
820
00:39:52,801 --> 00:39:57,334
I SEE THE AVARICE
THAT BROUGHT THEM DOWN.
821
00:39:57,367 --> 00:39:59,100
AND FROM
THAT DAY ON,
822
00:39:59,133 --> 00:40:04,100
HE STARTED--
HE STARTED HIS
ATTACK ON JIM.
823
00:40:04,133 --> 00:40:06,000
THE HOMOSEXUALITY STUFF,
824
00:40:06,033 --> 00:40:08,501
THE DARK HOLE WHERE
ALL THE MONEY'S GONE,
825
00:40:08,534 --> 00:40:10,968
AND ALL THAT BALONEY
THAT HE CAME UP WITH.
826
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,167
I HAVE SAT ACROSS
THE TABLE FROM MEN
827
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,400
WHO HAVE TOLD ME OF THEIR--
OF YOUR HOMOSEXUAL ADVANCES.
828
00:40:17,434 --> 00:40:23,467
AND SINCE THEN, OF COURSE,
I HAVE LEARNED OF THE
FISCAL IRREGULARITIES.
829
00:40:23,501 --> 00:40:25,000
AND JIM, I MUST TELL YOU
830
00:40:25,033 --> 00:40:27,334
THAT I WOULD BE DOING
A DISSERVICE TO GOD,
831
00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:29,400
AS MUCH AS I LOVE
YOU AND CARE FOR YOU,
832
00:40:29,434 --> 00:40:30,534
AND WILL PRAY FOR YOU,
833
00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:33,133
I WOULD BE DOING
A DISSERVICE TO GOD
834
00:40:33,167 --> 00:40:35,567
AND TO THE CHURCH AT LARGE
835
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:39,734
TO ALLOW YOU TO COME BACK
HERE NOW OR EVER.
836
00:40:42,267 --> 00:40:46,601
JIM, A LOOK
OF PURE HORROR,
837
00:40:46,634 --> 00:40:50,047
PURE TORTURE
PASSED OVER HIS FACE.
838
00:40:50,067 --> 00:40:55,133
AND HE SAID,
"TAM, IT'S ALL OVER.
839
00:40:55,167 --> 00:40:57,567
I'VE BEEN HAD."
840
00:40:57,601 --> 00:40:59,801
Charles: MY SENSE OF
FALWELL AND OF HIS PEOPLE
841
00:40:59,834 --> 00:41:03,501
AND HOW THEY OPERATED WAS
THEY HAD VERY SHARP KNIVES.
842
00:41:03,534 --> 00:41:06,133
AND THE BAKKERS PROBABLY
WERE A LITTLE NAIVE.
843
00:41:06,167 --> 00:41:10,400
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY
HAD EVER RUN INTO ANYONE
WHO WAS QUITE SO CUNNING.
844
00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:13,634
THEY WERE MANIPULATIVE,
AND SCHEMING,
845
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:14,634
BUT HE WAS CUNNING,
846
00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:19,367
AND I THINK CUNNING
TRUMPED SCHEMING THERE.
847
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,501
RuPaul: LESS THAN 3 MONTHS
AFTER FALWELL TOOK OVER,
848
00:41:22,534 --> 00:41:24,467
PTL FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY.
849
00:41:24,501 --> 00:41:26,701
THOUSANDS OF
PTL PARTNERS, DONORS,
850
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:30,534
AND CREDITORS
LOST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
851
00:41:34,267 --> 00:41:38,234
Roe: THEY SOLD IT
FOR 25 CENTS
ON THE DOLLAR,
852
00:41:38,267 --> 00:41:41,200
AND THERE JUST
WASN'T ANY MONEY
FOR THE CREDITORS.
853
00:41:41,234 --> 00:41:43,300
I THINK MR. FALWELL
854
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:46,334
WANTED TO
DESTROY PTL,
IS WHAT I THINK.
855
00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:51,100
I WOULD LOVE TO SIT
AND LOOK JERRY FALWELL
IN THE EYES
856
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:52,701
AND SAY, "JERRY,
WHY DON'T YOU JUST
857
00:41:52,734 --> 00:41:57,367
GET IT RIGHT WITH GOD
AND SAY YOU'RE SORRY?"
858
00:41:57,934 --> 00:41:59,400
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO
MAKE IT RIGHT WITH ME,
859
00:41:59,434 --> 00:42:02,801
BECAUSE I'M NOT IN CHARGE
OF WHETHER JERRY FALWELL'S
GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL.
860
00:42:02,834 --> 00:42:04,334
THAT'S NOT--I'M NOT
IN CHARGE OF THAT.
861
00:42:04,367 --> 00:42:08,334
BUT I SAY HE HAD BETTER
MAKE IT RIGHT WITH GOD.
862
00:42:12,701 --> 00:42:15,901
I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING
TO FACE JERRY,
863
00:42:15,934 --> 00:42:17,767
BUT HE WON'T FACE ME.
I KNOW HE WON'T.
864
00:42:17,801 --> 00:42:20,934
RuPaul: FALWELL NEVER
REPLIED TO TAMMY'S LETTER.
865
00:42:20,968 --> 00:42:22,234
HE HAS, HOWEVER,
GONE ON RECORD
866
00:42:22,267 --> 00:42:26,901
CALLING TAMMY A LOONY
WHOSE ELEVATOR NEVER
WENT TO THE TOP FLOOR.
867
00:42:26,934 --> 00:42:32,047
FALWELL ALSO NEVER RESPONDED
TO THE PRODUCER'S REQUEST
868
00:42:32,067 --> 00:42:33,367
FOR AN INTERVIEW.
869
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,434
ELSEWHERE, HOWEVER,
870
00:42:34,467 --> 00:42:37,501
HE HAS DENIED THAT THE LIST
ON TAMMY'S LETTERHEAD
871
00:42:37,534 --> 00:42:39,701
WAS CREATED
AT HIS SUGGESTION.
872
00:42:39,734 --> 00:42:42,334
HE ALSO MAINTAINS
THAT BAKKER ASKED HIM
873
00:42:42,367 --> 00:42:43,901
TO TAKE OVER THE PTL MINISTRY
874
00:42:43,934 --> 00:42:47,901
AND WAS NEVER PROMISED
HE COULD RETURN.
875
00:42:52,901 --> 00:42:56,534
RuPaul: IN 1989, JIM BAKKER
WENT ON TRIAL FOR FRAUD.
876
00:42:56,567 --> 00:42:57,868
Reporter:
THE GOVERNMENT SAID BAKKER
877
00:42:57,901 --> 00:43:01,067
DELIBERATELY SOLD
MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY
PARTNERSHIPS FOR LODGING
878
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,801
AS THERE
WERE ACCOMMODATIONS,
879
00:43:02,834 --> 00:43:04,534
AND POCKETED
NEARLY $4 MILLION
880
00:43:04,567 --> 00:43:07,234
TO KEEP HIM IN
EXPENSIVE HOMES AND CARS.
881
00:43:07,267 --> 00:43:08,467
James Albert: THIS
WAS A FEDERAL TRIAL.
882
00:43:08,501 --> 00:43:10,567
THERE WERE
NO CAMERAS ALLOWED
IN THE COURTROOM.
883
00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:11,934
WE HAD TO RELY ON
THOSE PRINT JOURNALISTS,
884
00:43:11,968 --> 00:43:15,334
AND PARTICULARLY
THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER
REPORTERS.
885
00:43:15,367 --> 00:43:17,667
THEN, OF COURSE,
REMEMBER, THE
CHARLOTTE OBSERVER
886
00:43:17,701 --> 00:43:21,968
WON THE PULITZER PRIZE
FOR PUBLIC SERVICE
FOR TOPPLING JIM BAKKER
887
00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:24,434
AND EXPOSING HIM
ONE FULL YEAR
888
00:43:24,467 --> 00:43:28,701
BEFORE THIS JURY
EVER GOT A CHANCE
TO CONSIDER
889
00:43:28,734 --> 00:43:29,868
ANY OF THIS EVIDENCE.
890
00:43:29,901 --> 00:43:34,300
RuPaul: JAMES ALBERT
SPENT 5 YEARS STUDYING
THE PTL TRIAL,
891
00:43:34,334 --> 00:43:36,400
AND WROTE A BOOK
THAT RAISED QUESTIONS
892
00:43:36,434 --> 00:43:38,167
ABOUT HOW THE TRIAL
MIGHT HAVE BEEN
893
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,634
A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE.
894
00:43:40,667 --> 00:43:44,701
WHEN THE DEFENSE
PLAYED A PTL VIDEO
895
00:43:44,734 --> 00:43:46,601
FOR THE JURY TO SEE,
896
00:43:46,634 --> 00:43:51,067
JUDGE POTTER ACTUALLY
STUCK HIS INDEX FINGERS
IN HIS EARS
897
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,067
AND TURNED AWAY.
898
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,200
HE HAS SAID IN
THE COURT MANY TIMES,
899
00:43:54,234 --> 00:43:56,501
"I MAY NOT BE
RULING THIS CORRECTLY,
900
00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:59,267
BUT YOU CAN TAKE IT UP
ON YOUR APPEAL."
901
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,133
AND I FEEL THAT
ANY JUDGE WHO THINKS
902
00:44:02,167 --> 00:44:03,367
THAT WE'RE GONNA
HAVE TO APPEAL
903
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,968
HAS ALREADY
MADE UP HIS MIND
THAT WE'RE GUILTY.
904
00:44:06,067 --> 00:44:09,133
THE JUDGE REFUSED
TO ALLOW THE JURORS
905
00:44:09,167 --> 00:44:13,467
TO BOARD A BUS AND TRAVEL
15 MINUTES TO HERITAGE U.S.A.,
906
00:44:13,501 --> 00:44:15,501
TO SEE WHAT
JIM BAKKER HAD BUILT
907
00:44:15,534 --> 00:44:17,767
WITH ALL THE MONEY
THAT HE RAISED.
908
00:44:17,801 --> 00:44:21,234
IT WAS A TRIAL
NOT ABOUT FRAUD
909
00:44:21,267 --> 00:44:22,367
OR CRIMINAL CONDUCT.
910
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,868
IT WAS A TRIAL
ABOUT LIFESTYLE AND WEALTH.
911
00:44:25,901 --> 00:44:27,067
Reporter: PTL's
NEW MANAGEMENT
912
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,634
ACT CONTINUALLY AMAZED
AT THE OPULENCE
913
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,701
UNDER WHICH JIM
AND TAMMY BAKKER LIVED.
914
00:44:31,734 --> 00:44:34,300
IN FACT, A TRIP THROUGH
THE PRESIDENTIAL SUITE
915
00:44:34,334 --> 00:44:35,634
AT THE HERITAGE
GRAND HOTEL
916
00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:40,701
SHOWS THE BAKKERS LIVED,
ONE COULD EASILY DEDUCE,
QUITE LUXURIOUSLY.
917
00:44:40,734 --> 00:44:41,968
THEY LIVED WELL,
918
00:44:42,067 --> 00:44:44,634
BUT THEY LIVED
NO BETTER THAN
PAT ROBERTSON,
919
00:44:44,667 --> 00:44:46,467
NO BETTER THAN
JERRY FALWELL,
920
00:44:46,501 --> 00:44:47,734
NO BETTER THAN
JIM DOBSON,
921
00:44:47,767 --> 00:44:49,334
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN
IN THEIR HOMES, TOO.
922
00:44:49,367 --> 00:44:52,834
BUT LOOK,
I THINK THE FACT IS
923
00:44:52,868 --> 00:44:54,367
THE BAKKERS HAD BEEN,
924
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,047
FROM PRETTY MUCH
EVERYBODY'S POINT OF VIEW,
925
00:44:57,067 --> 00:44:58,047
PRETTY GREEDY.
926
00:44:58,067 --> 00:45:00,701
IT'S LUDICROUS TO ARGUE
927
00:45:00,734 --> 00:45:04,334
THAT JIM BAKKER
RAISED $158 MILLION
928
00:45:04,367 --> 00:45:06,434
FROM HIS
TELEVISION VIEWERS
929
00:45:06,467 --> 00:45:11,400
TO KEEP $3 MILLION
FOR HIMSELF.
930
00:45:15,067 --> 00:45:16,200
RuPaul: AFTER A 6-WEEK TRIAL,
931
00:45:16,234 --> 00:45:20,801
JIM BAKKER WAS SENTENCED TO
45 YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON.
932
00:45:20,834 --> 00:45:22,767
I CAN'T IMAGINE HIM
BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY,
933
00:45:22,801 --> 00:45:24,968
BUT THAT'S VERY MUCH
IN THE JUDGE'S DISCRETION,
934
00:45:25,067 --> 00:45:28,467
AND THE JUDGE
HAS PROVEN HIMSELF
HARD TO PREDICT.
935
00:45:28,934 --> 00:45:35,334
WITH TODAY'S VERDICT,
REALITY HAS FINALLY
DAWNED FOR JIM BAKKER.
936
00:45:37,334 --> 00:45:42,167
TODAY WAS CERTAINLY AN EXAMPLE
OF GOD'S AMAZING GRACE.
937
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,100
THEY DID HIM LIKE
THEY DONE JESUS,
938
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:49,934
WITH LEADING HIM
LIKE HE'S A BIG
DRUG PUSHER,
939
00:45:49,968 --> 00:45:50,934
A BIG ROBBER
OR SOMETHING.
940
00:45:50,968 --> 00:45:52,067
THEY HAD
HANDCUFFS ON HIM,
941
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:56,067
LEADING HIM,
AND HE IS
THE MAN OF GOD.
942
00:45:58,434 --> 00:45:59,834
I HAVE A SONG FOR YOU.
943
00:45:59,868 --> 00:46:06,467
♪ ON CHRIST,
THE SOLID ROCK, I STAND ♪
944
00:46:06,501 --> 00:46:12,534
♪ ALL OTHER GROUND
IS SINKING SAND ♪
945
00:46:12,567 --> 00:46:19,567
♪ ALL OTHER GROUND
IS SINKING SAND ♪
946
00:46:20,167 --> 00:46:22,501
IT'S NOT OVER
TILL IT'S OVER.
947
00:46:22,534 --> 00:46:23,601
RuPaul: THIS
IS THE LAST TIME
948
00:46:23,634 --> 00:46:26,501
TAMMY FAYE WOULD SING
IN PUBLIC FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
949
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:30,901
MEANWHILE CHARLES SHEPARD
WROTE A BOOK CALLED FORGIVEN,
950
00:46:31,067 --> 00:46:33,047
A SEARING ACCOUNT
OF THE SCANDAL.
951
00:46:33,067 --> 00:46:34,047
[TYPING]
952
00:46:34,067 --> 00:46:37,634
SHEPARD WAS ASKED IF HE
WOULD MET WITH TAMMY FAYE.
953
00:46:37,667 --> 00:46:39,367
HE AGREED.
954
00:46:41,234 --> 00:46:42,968
SO 12 YEARS
AFTER THE VERDICT,
955
00:46:43,067 --> 00:46:46,601
TAMMY CONFRONTED CHARLES
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
956
00:46:46,634 --> 00:46:47,901
I WAS THEIR, CHARLIE.
957
00:46:47,934 --> 00:46:49,067
I KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED.
958
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,467
I KNOW JIM BAKKER
IS NOT A CROOK.
959
00:46:51,501 --> 00:46:55,067
I KNOW THAT AFTER
25 YEARS IN FRONT OF
THE TELEVISION CAMERAS,
960
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:58,047
WE DID NOT STEAL MONEY
AND YOU AND I--
961
00:46:58,067 --> 00:46:59,667
I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY,
"YOU STOLE MONEY."
962
00:46:59,701 --> 00:47:03,501
I DON'T FEEL I WROTE THINGS
THAT WERE UNTRUE.
HMM.
963
00:47:03,534 --> 00:47:05,047
CERTAINLY NOT KNOWING
THEY WERE,
964
00:47:05,067 --> 00:47:08,267
AND EVEN NOW, I DON'T KNOW
OF ANYTHING I WROTE
THAT WAS UNTRUE.
MM-HMM.
965
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,701
DID YOU WRITE THAT
MILLIONS WERE MISSING?
966
00:47:09,734 --> 00:47:11,801
I DON'T EVER REMEMBER
WRITING THAT.
967
00:47:11,834 --> 00:47:16,767
YOU SAID--WHAT YOU SAID
WAS A BIG, DEEP HOLE...
968
00:47:16,801 --> 00:47:19,634
MILLIONS MISSING.
969
00:47:19,667 --> 00:47:20,634
W-WHY?
970
00:47:20,667 --> 00:47:22,634
ALL I WANT TO KNOW
IS JUST WHY?
971
00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:24,601
WHICH QUESTION
SHOULD I ANSWER FIRST?
972
00:47:24,634 --> 00:47:25,601
ON ALL OF THEM!
973
00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:27,334
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND,
WHAT DID WE DO?
974
00:47:27,367 --> 00:47:31,334
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T--
I'M NOT HERE TO SAY--
A JUDGE AND JURY.
975
00:47:31,367 --> 00:47:32,400
BECAUSE, LISTEN.
976
00:47:32,434 --> 00:47:36,567
I COULD TURN AROUND
AND--AND--AND--AND
PUT PTL DOWN
977
00:47:36,601 --> 00:47:39,267
IF I WANT TO,
JUST LIKE THE NEWS DID,
978
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,067
BUT I WAS THERE
AND I LIVED IT
979
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,901
AND ONE THING I KNOW
ABOUT JIM BAKKER--
980
00:47:42,934 --> 00:47:43,901
HE WAS AN HONEST MAN.
981
00:47:43,934 --> 00:47:45,868
AND ONE THING I KNOW
ABOUT THE PTL ORGANIZATION,
982
00:47:45,901 --> 00:47:50,047
IT WAS AN HONEST,
TRUTHFUL ORGANIZATION.
983
00:47:50,067 --> 00:47:51,801
RuPaul: TAMMY
WANTED AN APOLOGY.
984
00:47:51,834 --> 00:47:54,968
CHARLES WANTED AN AUTOGRAPH.
985
00:47:55,067 --> 00:47:55,968
OH, YEAH. I--I--I...
986
00:47:56,067 --> 00:47:58,234
I BROUGHT SOME COPIES
OF MY BOOK.
987
00:47:58,267 --> 00:47:59,567
HEY, GREAT.
988
00:47:59,601 --> 00:48:01,133
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU,
BUT I WANTED TO GET YOU
TO AUTOGRAPH SOME...
989
00:48:01,167 --> 00:48:02,901
I WILL.
990
00:48:02,934 --> 00:48:04,047
MY SCHOOL HAS GOT
AN AUCTION
991
00:48:04,067 --> 00:48:06,234
FOR THE GRADUATE WOMEN
IN BUSINESS GROUP.
OH, SURE.
992
00:48:06,267 --> 00:48:07,601
I THOUGHT
IT WOULD BE A KICK
993
00:48:07,634 --> 00:48:08,601
IF I GIVE THEM THAT
TO AUCTION OFF.
994
00:48:08,634 --> 00:48:11,100
OK. ALL RIGHT.
995
00:48:13,334 --> 00:48:15,434
DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE
GOING TO A SIGNING,
DID YOU, TAMMY?
996
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:16,767
NO, I DIDN'T.
997
00:48:16,801 --> 00:48:18,834
Man: TAMMY, WHAT
DID YOU WRITE?
998
00:48:18,868 --> 00:48:19,834
HA HA HA!
999
00:48:19,868 --> 00:48:23,367
BUT, HEY, CHARLES,
YOU'RE FORGIVEN.
1000
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,501
HA HA HA!
1001
00:48:24,534 --> 00:48:26,834
♪ I'M GOING
TO LOVE MY ENEMIES ♪
1002
00:48:26,868 --> 00:48:30,801
♪ DO GOOD TO THOSE
WHO ARE BAD TO ME ♪
1003
00:48:30,834 --> 00:48:33,067
♪ GOING TO LOVE... ♪
1004
00:48:36,367 --> 00:48:38,701
WELL, IF YOU CAME
TO SEE ME CRY,
1005
00:48:38,734 --> 00:48:40,047
WELL, YOU GOT YOUR WISH.
1006
00:48:40,067 --> 00:48:42,734
Woman: WOULD YOU LIKE
TO MAKE A STATEMENT
IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS?
1007
00:48:42,767 --> 00:48:44,234
WELL, I WANT TO SAY
I LOVE MY HUSBAND,
1008
00:48:44,267 --> 00:48:46,767
MY FAITH IS STILL
STRONG IN THE LORD.
1009
00:48:46,801 --> 00:48:49,701
I STILL FEEL THERE'S
NOTHING TOO HARD FOR GOD,
1010
00:48:49,734 --> 00:48:52,868
AND I'M STANDING ON CHRIST,
A SOLID ROCK.
1011
00:48:52,901 --> 00:48:54,734
RuPaul: WITH A HUSBAND
IN PRISON,
1012
00:48:54,767 --> 00:48:57,901
A RUNAWAY DAUGHTER,
AND A TROUBLED SON,
1013
00:48:57,934 --> 00:49:01,100
TAMMY STRUGGLED
TO MAKE IT ON HER OWN.
1014
00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:06,133
BUT IN 1992, JIM AND TAMMY'S
DREAM ENDED...IN DIVORCE.
1015
00:49:06,167 --> 00:49:08,701
I WAS TOTALLY ALONE
AND HAD NOTHING, NO ONE.
1016
00:49:08,734 --> 00:49:11,601
EVERYONE HAD TURNED
THEIR BACK AGAINST ME
ONE MORE TIME,
1017
00:49:11,634 --> 00:49:14,801
AND I FELT LIKE
A WOMAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.
1018
00:49:14,834 --> 00:49:18,434
IT'S SO OFTEN TRUE
THAT CHRISTIANS ARE
1019
00:49:18,467 --> 00:49:21,234
ONE ARMY THAT KILLS
THEIR WOUNDED.
1020
00:49:21,267 --> 00:49:22,234
HA HA. WE DON'T--
1021
00:49:22,267 --> 00:49:24,534
WE DON'T TRY TO NURSE THEM
BACK TO HEALTH.
1022
00:49:24,567 --> 00:49:27,868
AND I DON'T KNOW
OF ANY WOMAN IN OUR TIME
1023
00:49:27,901 --> 00:49:32,033
WHO HAS BEEN SO RIDICULED,
PUT DOWN, MALIGNED.
1024
00:49:32,067 --> 00:49:33,934
REALLY, I EQUATE HER
1025
00:49:33,968 --> 00:49:35,033
WITH HILLARY CLINTON...
1026
00:49:35,067 --> 00:49:40,167
BECAUSE THESE 2 WOMEN
HAVE BOTH SUFFERED
TREMENDOUSLY
1027
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,734
BY THE THINGS THAT
THEIR HUSBANDS MAY HAVE DONE.
1028
00:49:43,767 --> 00:49:45,901
HA. AND YET SHE JUST
KEEPS GOING.
1029
00:49:45,934 --> 00:49:49,167
Choir:
♪ I'LL KEEP CLIMBING ♪
1030
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,033
♪ I'LL KEEP CLIMBING ♪
1031
00:49:52,067 --> 00:49:54,968
♪ UP THE MOUNTAIN ♪
1032
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,467
♪ UP THAT MOUNTAIN ♪
1033
00:49:57,501 --> 00:50:00,067
♪ AND I'LL MAKE IT ♪
1034
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:03,000
♪ I'M GOING TO MAKE IT ♪
1035
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:05,200
RuPaul: 18 MONTHS
AFTER HER DIVORCE,
1036
00:50:05,234 --> 00:50:08,367
TAMMY SCANDALIZED
THE CHURCH AND THE MEDIA
1037
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,467
WHEN SHE REMARRIED.
1038
00:50:09,501 --> 00:50:12,901
HER NEW HUSBAND WAS THE MAN
WHO PAID OFF JESSICA HAHN,
1039
00:50:12,934 --> 00:50:14,601
THE MAN WHO BUILT
HERITAGE U.S.A.,
1040
00:50:14,634 --> 00:50:19,501
AND THE MAN WHO JIM BAKKER
CALLED HIS BEST FRIEND...
1041
00:50:19,534 --> 00:50:20,634
ROE MESSNER.
1042
00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:23,868
Roe: EVERYBODY
LIKES TO SAY THAT
WAS PLANNED, YOU KNOW,
1043
00:50:23,901 --> 00:50:26,634
AND THAT ROE AND TAMMY
HAD THIS BIG DEAL GOING
1044
00:50:26,667 --> 00:50:29,868
WHILE HE WAS IN
CHARLOTTE BUILDING PTL.
1045
00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:32,067
NONE OF THAT'S TRUE.
1046
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,734
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I...
1047
00:50:33,767 --> 00:50:34,901
LIKED TAMMY, YOU KNOW?
1048
00:50:34,934 --> 00:50:41,334
AND WE STARTED
TALKING TOGETHER
A LITTLE BIT.
1049
00:50:41,367 --> 00:50:42,367
UM...
1050
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,501
AND IT JUST
SORT OF HAPPENED
LIKE THAT, REALLY.
1051
00:50:46,534 --> 00:50:47,501
RuPaul:
DIVORCED AND REMARRIED,
1052
00:50:47,534 --> 00:50:50,367
TAMMY WAS REJECTED
BY CHRISTIAN BROADCASTING,
1053
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,467
SO SHE TURNED
TO SECULAR TELEVISION,
1054
00:50:52,501 --> 00:50:54,400
COURTING EVEN MORE
CONTROVERSY
1055
00:50:54,434 --> 00:50:58,734
BY HOSTING A TALK SHOW
WITH AN OPENLY GAY COHOST.
1056
00:50:58,767 --> 00:51:01,634
Both: ♪ WE'RE NOT
WHAT YOU'D EXPECT ♪
1057
00:51:01,667 --> 00:51:04,067
♪ WE'RE A CRAZY,
KOOKY DUET ♪
1058
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:07,634
♪ WE'RE A RECIPE
YOU COULDN'T BAKE UP ♪
1059
00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:09,567
♪ 3 TIMES THE LAUGHS ♪
1060
00:51:09,601 --> 00:51:11,868
♪ AND 10 TIMES
THE MAKEUP ♪
1061
00:51:11,901 --> 00:51:14,234
I THINK GAY PEOPLE
LIKE TAMMY BECAUSE
1062
00:51:14,267 --> 00:51:15,234
TAMMY LIKES GAY PEOPLE.
1063
00:51:15,267 --> 00:51:17,734
AND SHE'S ONE
OF THE ONLY CHRISTIANS
1064
00:51:17,767 --> 00:51:20,601
IN THE WORLD
WHO SEEMS TO THESE DAYS.
1065
00:51:20,634 --> 00:51:22,501
Singers: ♪ WAY ♪
1066
00:51:22,534 --> 00:51:25,167
♪ ON JIM J. AND TAMMY FAYE ♪
1067
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,133
OH, HI, EVERYONE!
1068
00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:28,133
THAT'S YOUR MAKE-UP KIT?
1069
00:51:28,167 --> 00:51:29,133
THAT'S MY MAKE-UP.
1070
00:51:29,167 --> 00:51:31,047
CHOCOLATE? OF COURSE,
SHE'S GOT CHOCOLATE,
1071
00:51:31,067 --> 00:51:33,067
POTATO CHIPS, A--
MY BRA?!
1072
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,334
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
WITH MY BRA?
1073
00:51:35,367 --> 00:51:38,133
I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT
OF HIM AS--AS--AS GAY.
1074
00:51:38,167 --> 00:51:40,434
I JUST THOUGHT OF HIM
AS ANOTHER HUMAN BEING
1075
00:51:40,467 --> 00:51:41,734
THAT I LOVED.
1076
00:51:41,767 --> 00:51:43,334
IT WAS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
1077
00:51:43,367 --> 00:51:44,334
OH, MY GOD!
1078
00:51:44,367 --> 00:51:46,734
HONEY, HOW ARE YOU?!
1079
00:51:46,767 --> 00:51:48,467
I MISSED YOU SO MUCH.
1080
00:51:48,501 --> 00:51:50,167
I MISSED YOU, TOO!
1081
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,367
Jim J.: SHE HAS BEEN JUDGED
BY OTHER PEOPLE
1082
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,701
AND SHE KNOWS
WHAT THAT'S LIKE.
1083
00:51:54,734 --> 00:52:00,868
SO ALTHOUGH TAMMY'S BELIEFS
ARE NOT IN FAVOR,
I DON'T THINK,
1084
00:52:00,901 --> 00:52:01,868
OF HOMOSEXUALITY,
1085
00:52:01,901 --> 00:52:04,801
SHE ALLOWED ME THE FREEDOM
TO BE WHO I AM
1086
00:52:04,834 --> 00:52:07,667
AND DIDN'T LET THAT
GET IN THE WAY
OF A FRIENDSHIP.
1087
00:52:07,701 --> 00:52:09,667
OH, YOU DECORATE
SO AWESOME.
1088
00:52:09,701 --> 00:52:11,501
AREN'T THESE FABULOUS?
THESE ARE AWESOME.
1089
00:52:11,534 --> 00:52:12,501
I'M GLAD YOU GOT
TO SAVE SOMETHING.
1090
00:52:12,534 --> 00:52:13,801
YOU WANT A DIET COKE?
1091
00:52:13,834 --> 00:52:14,834
HOW DID YOU KNOW?
1092
00:52:14,868 --> 00:52:16,100
RuPaul:
TAMMY HASN'T SEEN JIM J.
1093
00:52:16,133 --> 00:52:17,934
SINCE HE LOST HIS
LOVER TO AIDS
1094
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:21,434
AND WAS HIMSELF
DIAGNOSED WITH HIV.
1095
00:52:21,467 --> 00:52:23,367
HOW ARE YOU DOING
WITHOUT JOHN?
1096
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,367
ARE YOU DOING OK?
1097
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,200
IT'S BEEN A LONG,
HARD ROAD, YOU KNOW, BUT--
1098
00:52:28,234 --> 00:52:30,501
I KNOW.
IT MUST BE VERY LONELY.
1099
00:52:30,534 --> 00:52:32,501
- I'M COMING AROUND.
- ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?
1100
00:52:32,534 --> 00:52:33,901
- YEAH.
- GOOD.
1101
00:52:33,934 --> 00:52:37,167
I'M A SURVIVOR LIKE YOU.
I LOVED JOHN. YOU KNOW,
I LOVED HIM SO MUCH.
1102
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,801
I DON'T LABEL PEOPLE.
1103
00:52:38,834 --> 00:52:40,701
I REFUSE TO LABEL PEOPLE.
1104
00:52:40,734 --> 00:52:44,868
WE'RE ALL JUST PEOPLE
MADE OUT OF THE SAME OLD DIRT.
1105
00:52:44,901 --> 00:52:48,534
AND GOD DIDN'T MAKE
ANY JUNK.
1106
00:52:48,567 --> 00:52:51,734
RuPaul: BUT IN SPITE OF THEIR
ON-SCREEN CHEMISTRY,
1107
00:52:51,767 --> 00:52:52,801
THE SHOW WAS CANCELED.
1108
00:52:52,834 --> 00:52:56,067
AND BEFORE SHE COULD
RECOVER FROM THIS BLOW,
1109
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:57,567
SHE WAS DEALT ANOTHER.
1110
00:52:57,601 --> 00:53:00,868
Tammy: I HAD BEEN
BLEEDING FOR A YEAR.
1111
00:53:00,901 --> 00:53:02,400
THE BLEEDING BECAME
MUCH WORSE.
1112
00:53:02,434 --> 00:53:06,934
AND SO MY GYNECOLOGIST SAID,
"TAMMY, I THINK YOU NEED
TO GO SEE A PROCTOLOGIST."
1113
00:53:06,968 --> 00:53:10,100
AND BY THAT TIME, OF COURSE,
IT WAS TOO LATE
1114
00:53:10,133 --> 00:53:15,834
AND THE CANCER HAD ALREADY
TAKEN PLACE IN MY BODY.
1115
00:53:15,868 --> 00:53:18,100
BEING WITH HER...
1116
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,567
DURING...
1117
00:53:22,267 --> 00:53:25,868
UM, HER CANCER...
1118
00:53:27,801 --> 00:53:33,467
IN THE HOSPITAL,
SLEEPING ON THE BED
NEXT TO HER,
1119
00:53:33,501 --> 00:53:35,667
IN THE HOSPITAL...
1120
00:53:44,601 --> 00:53:46,634
THAT WAS...
1121
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,400
I THINK THE CLOSEST--
CLOSEST...
1122
00:53:50,767 --> 00:53:54,267
I'VE EVER BEEN
TO MY MOTHER.
1123
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,601
AND I WOULDN'T
TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING.
1124
00:53:57,634 --> 00:54:01,667
AND IT WAS WORTH
EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD
TO GO THROUGH CANCER
1125
00:54:01,701 --> 00:54:04,300
TO GET CLOSE TO MY
PRECIOUS DAUGHTER
1126
00:54:04,334 --> 00:54:09,501
AND TO BECOME HER FRIEND,
NOT JUST HER MOM.
1127
00:54:09,801 --> 00:54:11,767
RuPaul: BOUNCING BACK
ONE MORE TIME,
1128
00:54:11,801 --> 00:54:13,501
TAMMY MADE A DRAMATIC
RECOVERY.
1129
00:54:13,534 --> 00:54:15,934
John J.: THE ONE THING
YOU CAN SAY ABOUT TAMMY IS
1130
00:54:15,968 --> 00:54:16,968
SHE IS A SURVIVOR.
1131
00:54:17,067 --> 00:54:20,334
I MEAN, AFTER THE HOLOCAUST,
THERE WILL BE, LIKE,
1132
00:54:20,367 --> 00:54:24,067
ROACHES, TAMMY FAYE AND CHER.
1133
00:54:24,701 --> 00:54:27,767
RuPaul: INSPIRED
BY HER SUCCESSFUL
BATTLE WITH CANCER,
1134
00:54:27,801 --> 00:54:30,901
TAMMY RECORDED A SELF-HELP
VIDEOTAPE GUIDE
1135
00:54:30,934 --> 00:54:32,934
TO SURVIVING LIFE.
1136
00:54:32,968 --> 00:54:36,501
IF LIFE HANDS YOU A LEMON...
1137
00:54:37,267 --> 00:54:39,234
START MAKING LEMONADE.
1138
00:54:39,267 --> 00:54:42,334
BUT BEFORE THE TAPE
COULD BE RELEASED,
1139
00:54:42,367 --> 00:54:44,534
THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT.
1140
00:54:44,567 --> 00:54:48,968
THEN LIFE HANDED TAMMY
YET ANOTHER LEMON.
1141
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,734
IN 1996, HER HUSBAND ROE
WAS SENTENCED
1142
00:54:52,767 --> 00:54:56,047
TO 2 YEARS IN PRISON
FOR BANKRUPTCY FRAUD.
1143
00:54:56,067 --> 00:54:58,167
WE'RE GOING TO A PLACE
CALLED BORON.
1144
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,167
BORON IS ACTUALLY WHERE
THEY USED TO MAKE BORAX.
1145
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,801
IT'S ABOUT 2 HOURS
AND 15 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE,
1146
00:55:05,834 --> 00:55:08,701
GOING 75, 80 MILES AN HOUR.
1147
00:55:08,734 --> 00:55:10,047
WHOO! HA HA HA!
1148
00:55:10,067 --> 00:55:15,067
I LIKE TO GO FAST ENOUGH
AND SO YOU LOSE YOUR TUMMY
ON THESE BUMPS.
1149
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:18,234
IF I HADN'T MARRIED TAMMY,
I WOULDN'T BE IN JAIL.
THAT'S TRUE.
1150
00:55:18,267 --> 00:55:21,300
THERE WAS MORE SAID
IN MY TRIAL ABOUT MR. BAKKER
1151
00:55:21,334 --> 00:55:23,167
THAN THERE WAS ABOUT ME.
1152
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,601
YOU KNOW, ANYONE
CAN BE PUT IN PRISON.
IF THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES
1153
00:55:26,634 --> 00:55:29,934
THAT THEY DON'T LIKE YOU,
THEY CAN COME UP
WITH ANY REASON
1154
00:55:29,968 --> 00:55:32,701
TO PUT YOU IN PRISON
AND YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
1155
00:55:32,734 --> 00:55:35,467
Roe:
TAMMY HAS GONE THROUGH
1156
00:55:35,501 --> 00:55:39,367
A LOT OF HEARTACHE
IN HER LIFETIME.
1157
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,367
AND PRISON IS HARDER
ON THE WIFE THAN IT IS
ON THE PRISONER.
1158
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,100
I USED TO TELL MY MOTHER
MANY TIMES, "BUT, MOM,
THAT'S NOT FAIR,
1159
00:55:48,133 --> 00:55:49,868
THAT'S NOT FAIR,"
AND MY MOTHER TRAINED ME
1160
00:55:49,901 --> 00:55:54,934
WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL
AND SHE SAID, "TAMMY, WHO
EVER SAID LIFE WAS FAIR?"
1161
00:55:54,968 --> 00:55:57,701
Roe: I PERSONALLY
DON'T LIKE VISITS,
1162
00:55:57,734 --> 00:56:01,701
BECAUSE VISITS
FOR ME ARE HARD.
1163
00:56:01,734 --> 00:56:04,901
IT'S HARD TO SAY
GOOD-BYE.
1164
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,534
SO I'D RATHER NOT
HAVE A VISIT.
1165
00:56:19,868 --> 00:56:22,133
RuPaul: INSTEAD OF LANGUISHING
IN THE DESERT,
1166
00:56:22,167 --> 00:56:24,634
TAMMY DECIDED TO GET BACK
IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS,
1167
00:56:24,667 --> 00:56:27,567
STARTING WITH AN APPEARANCE
ON THE ROSEANNE SHOW.
1168
00:56:27,601 --> 00:56:30,133
I WOULD MUCH RATHER PREFER
TO WORK IN SECULAR TELEVISION.
1169
00:56:30,167 --> 00:56:34,834
I THINK CHRISTIAN TELEVISION
IS VERY LIMITED IN WHAT
YOU CAN DO.
1170
00:56:34,868 --> 00:56:36,767
Man: SO I WANT TO DO
A QUICK RUN-THROUGH
ON THIS,
1171
00:56:36,801 --> 00:56:38,334
JUST SO YOU'RE
COMFORTABLE.
1172
00:56:38,367 --> 00:56:39,868
I'M COMFORTABLE.
YOU ARE?
1173
00:56:39,901 --> 00:56:41,234
TODAY ON THE ROSEANNE SHOW,
1174
00:56:41,267 --> 00:56:44,267
INFAMOUS TELEVANGELIST
TAMMY FAYE, OUTSPOKEN
ACTIVIST CHASTITY BONO,
1175
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:48,601
AND ONE OF THE HOTTEST BANDS
AROUND--BLUES TRAVELERS--
IS HERE.
1176
00:56:48,634 --> 00:56:51,868
AND NOW HERE'S ROSEANNE!
1177
00:56:51,901 --> 00:56:52,868
THAT'S GREAT.
1178
00:56:52,901 --> 00:56:54,534
IT'S GOING TO BE
PANDEMONIUM OUT THERE,
BUT...
1179
00:56:54,567 --> 00:56:55,534
OK.
1180
00:56:55,567 --> 00:56:56,601
YOU'LL RESPOND TO THAT.
1181
00:56:56,634 --> 00:56:57,868
I'LL RESPOND TO THAT.
OK.
1182
00:56:57,901 --> 00:57:01,334
I THINK WHAT
THE SECULAR WORLD
DOES NOT REALIZE
1183
00:57:01,367 --> 00:57:03,901
IS THAT I AM
A VERY SECULAR PERSON.
1184
00:57:03,934 --> 00:57:07,234
UH, CHRIST IS JUST
A PART OF ME. UH...
1185
00:57:07,267 --> 00:57:11,133
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
I HAVE TO CONSTANTLY
TALK ABOUT.
1186
00:57:11,167 --> 00:57:12,334
IT'S SOMETHING INSIDE ME,
1187
00:57:12,367 --> 00:57:15,047
AND IT JUST MAKES ME
WHO I AM.
1188
00:57:15,067 --> 00:57:17,234
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]
1189
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,767
Tammy:
TODAY ON THE ROSEANNE SHOW,
1190
00:57:19,801 --> 00:57:21,901
TELEVANGELIST TAMMY FAYE,
1191
00:57:21,934 --> 00:57:24,834
OUTSPOKEN ACTIVIST
CHASTITY BONO,
1192
00:57:24,868 --> 00:57:27,400
AND ONE OF THE HOTTEST
BANDS AROUND--
1193
00:57:27,434 --> 00:57:29,200
BLUES TRAVELERS--IS HERE.
1194
00:57:29,234 --> 00:57:33,601
AND NOW HERE'S ROSEANNE!
1195
00:57:38,067 --> 00:57:39,634
NOW, YOU'RE MAKEUP
IS EXTREME.
1196
00:57:39,667 --> 00:57:41,267
YOU THINK IT IS?
IT'S VERY EXTREME.
1197
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:42,667
I DON'T MEAN
TO DISRESPECT YOU.
1198
00:57:42,701 --> 00:57:44,047
I JUST WANT
TO KNOW YOU.
1199
00:57:44,067 --> 00:57:45,901
I THINK I FEEL UGLY
WITHOUT IT.
1200
00:57:45,934 --> 00:57:47,901
WELL, IF YOU THINK
YOU LOOK UGLY WITHOUT IT--
1201
00:57:47,934 --> 00:57:49,067
I DO.
1202
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,968
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING--
THAT'S NOT A RIGHT WAY
TO THINK.
1203
00:57:51,067 --> 00:57:51,968
I KNOW, ROSEANNE.
1204
00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:53,267
BUT, OK, SO DON'T.
1205
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:54,501
BUT THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL,
YOU KNOW.
1206
00:57:54,534 --> 00:57:55,968
BUT THAT'S
THE WRONG WAY TO FEEL.
1207
00:57:56,067 --> 00:57:58,167
HI, GREG.
IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU.
1208
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,047
YOU'RE TALLER THAN I THOUGHT.
HA HA HA!
1209
00:58:00,067 --> 00:58:01,367
YOU'RE SHORTER
THAN I THOUGHT.
1210
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,734
RuPaul: DECIDING IT WAS
TIME FOR NEW HEADSHOTS,
1211
00:58:03,767 --> 00:58:06,501
TAMMY TURNED TO PHOTOGRAPHER
GREG GORMAN.
1212
00:58:06,534 --> 00:58:07,501
HERE.
1213
00:58:07,534 --> 00:58:08,634
WHAT I THOUGHT
WE COULD DO
1214
00:58:08,667 --> 00:58:09,734
IS START, MAYBE,
SINCE YOU'RE
PROBABLY
1215
00:58:09,767 --> 00:58:11,868
NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH
MYSELF AS I AM WITH
YOU,
1216
00:58:11,901 --> 00:58:13,901
IS SIT DOWN, LET ME
SHOW YOU SOME OF
MY WORK,
1217
00:58:13,934 --> 00:58:16,167
AND LET'S TALK
ABOUT WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO TRY TO DO.
1218
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,767
SOUNDS GOOD.
1219
00:58:18,267 --> 00:58:20,300
OH, YES!
MY FAVORITE LADY
IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
1220
00:58:20,334 --> 00:58:21,300
SARAH, THE DUCHESS OF YORK.
1221
00:58:21,334 --> 00:58:23,047
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU
HOW WE'VE KIND OF
1222
00:58:23,067 --> 00:58:25,868
TAKEN HER OUT OF
THE REALM OF HOW
PEOPLE HAD SEEN HER
1223
00:58:25,901 --> 00:58:27,047
AND GIVEN HER
KIND OF A NEW LOOK.
1224
00:58:27,067 --> 00:58:28,667
MM-HMM.
WHAT WE DID IS BASICALLY...
1225
00:58:28,701 --> 00:58:30,047
MADE HER SOFT,
SOFTENED HER.
1226
00:58:30,067 --> 00:58:31,167
SOFTEN, SOFTENED HER.
1227
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,868
SHE'S BEAUTIFUL.
1228
00:58:34,901 --> 00:58:36,501
SO YOU'VE NEVER DONE PICTURES
WITHOUT THOSE EYELASHES?
1229
00:58:36,534 --> 00:58:38,734
NO, AND I NEVER WILL
BECAUSE THAT'S
MY TRADEMARK.
RIGHT.
1230
00:58:38,767 --> 00:58:41,047
AND IF I TAKE
MY TRADEMARK AWAY,
1231
00:58:41,067 --> 00:58:42,300
THEN IT'S NOT ME.
1232
00:58:42,334 --> 00:58:44,901
AND SO I HOLD
ONTO THAT, I THINK--
1233
00:58:44,934 --> 00:58:46,601
EVEN IF WE SOFTEN THEM
AND KEPT THEM--
1234
00:58:46,634 --> 00:58:48,501
NO, NO. THEY STAY
JUST WHERE THEY ARE.
OK.
1235
00:58:48,534 --> 00:58:49,501
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE,
1236
00:58:49,534 --> 00:58:50,968
BUT MY EYELASHES WILL
STAY WHERE THEY ARE.
1237
00:58:51,067 --> 00:58:51,968
YOU GOT IT.
1238
00:58:52,067 --> 00:58:53,300
Choir: ♪ HALLELU ♪
1239
00:58:53,334 --> 00:58:54,334
♪ HALLELU ♪
1240
00:58:54,367 --> 00:58:55,434
♪ HALLELU ♪
1241
00:58:55,467 --> 00:58:56,567
♪ HALLELU ♪
1242
00:58:56,601 --> 00:58:57,734
♪ HALLELUJAH ♪
1243
00:58:57,767 --> 00:59:00,367
NORMALLY A PERSON
WOULD COME TO A PHOTO SHOOT,
1244
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,167
ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW,
A MAJOR TEAM OF PLAYERS
1245
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,734
LIKE THE PHOTOGRAPHER
AND THE HAIRDRESSER
AND THE STYLIST,
1246
00:59:06,767 --> 00:59:11,047
THEY COME BLANK.
THEY COME WITH NO MAKEUP ON,
WITHOUT THEIR HAIR DONE.
1247
00:59:11,067 --> 00:59:13,047
TAMMY FAYE CAME
ALL MADE UP,
1248
00:59:13,067 --> 00:59:15,501
SO WE TOOK IT ALL OFF,
STARTED OVER.
1249
00:59:15,534 --> 00:59:17,834
OK. SO I'M GOING TO START
BY TAKING SOME OFF.
1250
00:59:17,868 --> 00:59:18,834
OK.
1251
00:59:18,868 --> 00:59:20,167
I'M GOING TO TAKE
YOUR FOUNDATION OFF.
1252
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,167
OK.
1253
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,167
AND NORMALLY START AGAIN.
1254
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,167
OK.
1255
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,601
CAN YOU TAKE YOUR LIPS OFF?
1256
00:59:25,634 --> 00:59:27,267
YOU WANT A LITTLE REMOVER?
1257
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:28,267
THAT'S IT.
1258
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:29,567
THEY'RE
PERMANENTLY LINED.
1259
00:59:29,601 --> 00:59:30,567
OH.
1260
00:59:30,601 --> 00:59:31,567
AND MY EYES ARE
PERMANENTLY LINED.
1261
00:59:31,601 --> 00:59:32,767
MY EYEBROWS ARE
PERMANENTLY LINED.
1262
00:59:32,801 --> 00:59:36,534
SO THERE'S NOT
A WHOLE LOT YOU
CAN DO WITH THAT.
1263
00:59:36,567 --> 00:59:39,701
MY GOODNESS.
I DIDN'T KNOW.
1264
00:59:44,968 --> 00:59:46,701
YOU KNOW,
I WOULD FEEL BETTER
1265
00:59:46,734 --> 00:59:48,934
IF WE DO A BEFORE
AND AFTER WITH THE CAMERA
1266
00:59:48,968 --> 00:59:51,434
AND NOT DO SO MUCH
OF THIS, PLEASE.
1267
00:59:51,467 --> 00:59:52,534
I THINK WE'RE
GONNA START WITH
1268
00:59:52,567 --> 00:59:55,467
MAYBE THIS LONG
LEATHER JACKET, CK.
1269
00:59:55,501 --> 00:59:56,667
KIND OF TOUGH
BUT FITTED,
1270
00:59:56,701 --> 01:00:00,434
AND GIVE A SEXY LOOK,
BUT IT'S A POWER LOOK,
ALSO--
1271
01:00:00,467 --> 01:00:01,801
"I'M IN CHARGE."
1272
01:00:01,834 --> 01:00:03,434
NO. I DON'T
FEEL GOOD IN THIS.
1273
01:00:03,467 --> 01:00:04,501
THIS IS NOT ME.
UH-UH.
1274
01:00:04,534 --> 01:00:05,501
FEEL TOO...
1275
01:00:05,534 --> 01:00:07,033
I'M TOO--IT'S JUST
NOT ME AT ALL.
1276
01:00:07,067 --> 01:00:08,601
OK.
1277
01:00:08,634 --> 01:00:10,534
SHE BROUGHT A FEW THINGS
OF HER OWN
1278
01:00:10,567 --> 01:00:13,300
THAT WE MIGHT NOT
GET TO TODAY.
1279
01:00:13,334 --> 01:00:16,400
I GET SO SICK OF THIS
HOLLYWOOD CRAP.
1280
01:00:16,434 --> 01:00:17,400
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
1281
01:00:17,434 --> 01:00:18,400
I LIKE REAL.
1282
01:00:18,434 --> 01:00:19,868
I AGREE.
1283
01:00:19,901 --> 01:00:21,934
I'M AN OLD FARM GIRL
AND I LIKE REAL.
1284
01:00:21,968 --> 01:00:25,367
SO THAT'S WHY I'M WEARING
ALL THESE WIGS!
1285
01:00:26,667 --> 01:00:29,334
♪ GLORIA, GLORIA ♪
1286
01:00:30,234 --> 01:00:32,834
♪ GLORIA, GLORIA ♪
1287
01:00:32,868 --> 01:00:34,501
Tammy: I WAS
A LITTLE DISCONCERTED.
1288
01:00:34,534 --> 01:00:36,467
THEY LOOK AT YOUR FACE
AND FIGURE OUT THAT
1289
01:00:36,501 --> 01:00:37,634
YOU'VE GOT TO COCK IT
THIS WAY TO LOOK GOOD.
1290
01:00:37,667 --> 01:00:38,634
THIS WAY?
1291
01:00:38,667 --> 01:00:41,801
Greg: YEAH.
THAT'S PERFECT.
1292
01:00:42,667 --> 01:00:44,467
I DID HAVE TO TAKE
A LOT OF THE MASCARA OFF,
1293
01:00:44,501 --> 01:00:48,534
WHICH WAS OK WITH ME
BECAUSE IT ENDED UP
BEING WHAT I THOUGHT
1294
01:00:48,567 --> 01:00:49,868
A VERY GOOD LOOK FOR ME.
1295
01:00:49,901 --> 01:00:50,968
♪ GLORIA ♪
1296
01:00:51,067 --> 01:00:52,801
[SINGING IN LATIN]
1297
01:00:52,834 --> 01:00:54,567
I WANTED TO LEAVE
THE PHOTO SESSION
1298
01:00:54,601 --> 01:00:56,567
AND GO DIRECTLY
TO THE PLASTIC SURGEON.
1299
01:00:56,601 --> 01:00:59,133
COULD I HAVE AFFORDED IT,
I WOULD HAVE,
1300
01:00:59,167 --> 01:01:00,534
BUT UNFORTUNATELY
I'M STILL HERE.
1301
01:01:00,567 --> 01:01:03,801
RuPaul: THE NEXT DAY
TAMMY WENT TO USA NETWORKS
1302
01:01:03,834 --> 01:01:05,434
TO PITCH HER IDEAS
FOR TV SHOWS
1303
01:01:05,467 --> 01:01:07,734
TO NETWORK EXECUTIVE
STEVEN CHOW,
1304
01:01:07,767 --> 01:01:10,133
CREATOR OF COPS AND STUDS.
1305
01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:11,133
HELLO.
WELL, HI, STEVEN!
1306
01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:13,100
HOW ARE YOU?
NICE TO MEET YOU.
I'M TAMMY.
1307
01:01:13,133 --> 01:01:14,834
NICE TO MEET YOU.
HI. HAVE A SEAT.
1308
01:01:14,868 --> 01:01:16,501
OK. THANK YOU.
1309
01:01:16,534 --> 01:01:17,501
SO YOU HERE
TO PITCH SOMETHING.
1310
01:01:17,534 --> 01:01:19,567
WELL, YOU'RE HERE TO PITCH,
SO START, RIGHT?
1311
01:01:19,601 --> 01:01:21,334
OK. WELL, NO, I--
1312
01:01:21,367 --> 01:01:22,467
I'VE GOT 3 IDEAS, STEVEN,
1313
01:01:22,501 --> 01:01:25,934
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE
TO KNOW WHAT YOU
SEE ME AS DOING.
1314
01:01:25,968 --> 01:01:28,167
BUT ONE OF MY IDEAS
IS A CHILDREN'S SHOW,
1315
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,267
WHERE WE TALK TO PUPPETS
AND WE TALK TO THE KIDS,
1316
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:33,701
AND THEN KIDS
TALKING TO PUPPETS
ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS
1317
01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:36,047
AND THEIR CONCERNS
AND THINGS WHICH BOTHER THEM.
1318
01:01:36,067 --> 01:01:40,300
IT WOULD BE A FUN SHOW
WITH SOME SERIOUS PARTS
ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW.
1319
01:01:40,334 --> 01:01:42,234
IT'S A WAY TO GO.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S--
1320
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:45,934
BUT WHAT ABOUT PUPPETS AND...
EVERYBODY LOVES PUPPETS.
EVEN ADULTS...
1321
01:01:45,968 --> 01:01:46,934
SURE.
1322
01:01:46,968 --> 01:01:48,367
LOVE PUPPETS.
1323
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,067
UH-HUH.
1324
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,133
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
1325
01:01:51,167 --> 01:01:52,834
TEENAGERS NEED SOMETHING
REALLY SPECIAL.
1326
01:01:52,868 --> 01:01:55,367
THEY NEED A FORMAT
FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
1327
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,634
AND THEY HAVE NO WAY--
THE BIGGEST THING
THEY ALWAYS SAY,
1328
01:01:57,667 --> 01:02:00,767
"WELL, HOW DO WE GET
ANYONE TO LISTEN TO US?"
1329
01:02:00,801 --> 01:02:03,534
AND I WOULD JUST LOVE
TO GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE.
1330
01:02:03,567 --> 01:02:04,634
AND GO WHERE THEY GO.
1331
01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:07,400
I WOULD LIKE TO GO
TO THE PIERCING PARLORS
WITH THEM.
1332
01:02:07,434 --> 01:02:09,200
I'D LIKE TO GO TO
THE TATTOO PLACES WITH THEM.
1333
01:02:09,234 --> 01:02:11,100
JUST DO EVERYTHING
THAT TEENAGERS DO.
1334
01:02:11,133 --> 01:02:13,868
AND--AND YOU WOULD
CALL THIS SHOW WHAT?
1335
01:02:13,901 --> 01:02:15,801
TAMMY'S TERRIFIC TEENS
1336
01:02:15,834 --> 01:02:17,267
WOULD BE A FUN TITLE.
1337
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,267
AND, UM...
1338
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:19,501
ALL RIGHT.
NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
1339
01:02:19,534 --> 01:02:22,901
YEAH, YEAH, WE'D
PROBABLY HAVE TO COME UP
WITH SOMETHING FUN.
1340
01:02:22,934 --> 01:02:25,167
AND THEN I'VE GOT ONE MORE.
HA HA HA.
1341
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,167
OK. NO, NO, NO. I MEAN,
WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.
1342
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,834
OK. MEDICINE TODAY
WITH TAMMY FAYE.
1343
01:02:28,868 --> 01:02:33,133
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW
WHAT IS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW,
1344
01:02:33,167 --> 01:02:34,968
IN THE MARKET THAT'S
COMING UP NEW
1345
01:02:35,067 --> 01:02:38,047
AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE--
THE OLD THINGS THAT WORK
IN MEDICINE.
1346
01:02:38,067 --> 01:02:39,100
UM...
1347
01:02:39,133 --> 01:02:40,434
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GO
SIT WITH ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS
1348
01:02:40,467 --> 01:02:42,100
AND EXPLAIN ALL--
HAVE THE DOCTORS
EXPLAIN ALZHEIMER'S.
1349
01:02:42,133 --> 01:02:43,868
AY YI YI.
1350
01:02:43,901 --> 01:02:45,868
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST THROWING THESE OUT.
1351
01:02:45,901 --> 01:02:47,501
IT'S JUST IDEAS
THAT I'VE HAD FROM BEING ON--
1352
01:02:47,534 --> 01:02:50,200
YOU KNOW, JUST IDEAS THAT
HAVE BEEN SWIMMING AROUND
IN MY HEAD.
1353
01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:53,133
WHAT DO YOU SEE ME DOING,
STEVE?
1354
01:02:53,167 --> 01:02:54,133
YOU'RE THE--
I DON'T KNOW.
1355
01:02:54,167 --> 01:02:55,767
YOU'RE THE...
I MEAN, I DON'T...
1356
01:02:55,801 --> 01:02:58,400
EXPERT.
I MEAN, I THINK--
I SUSPECT, AND I'M
1357
01:02:58,434 --> 01:03:00,467
MAKING A STATEMENT
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
BE TRUE,
1358
01:03:00,501 --> 01:03:04,701
BUT I THINK THAT
YOU WANT TO BE
ON THE AIR.
1359
01:03:04,734 --> 01:03:06,367
YOU REALLY LIKE BEING
IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.
1360
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,634
WELL, I LOVE THE CAM--
I DO LOVE THE CAMERA.
1361
01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:10,133
BECAUSE I THINK--
WHY?
1362
01:03:10,167 --> 01:03:11,133
BECAUSE IT'S A PERSON.
1363
01:03:11,167 --> 01:03:12,567
I'VE NEVER BEEN
IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA
1364
01:03:12,601 --> 01:03:14,501
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT
I UNDERSTAND THE APPEAL.
1365
01:03:14,534 --> 01:03:16,200
BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT A CAMERA.
1366
01:03:16,234 --> 01:03:18,267
IT'S PEOPLE.
IT'S SOMEONE TO TALK TO.
1367
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:19,634
I--I DON'T KNOW,
YOU KNOW.
1368
01:03:19,667 --> 01:03:20,934
YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.
I CAN'T HELP--
1369
01:03:20,968 --> 01:03:23,334
I CAN'T--I MEAN,
I HAVE NO PLACE
FOR A TALK SHOW.
1370
01:03:23,367 --> 01:03:24,334
I UNDERSTAND THAT, STEVEN.
1371
01:03:24,367 --> 01:03:25,934
I SHOULD WALK YOU
DOWNSTAIRS TO LIFETIME
1372
01:03:25,968 --> 01:03:28,133
WHICH ABOUT 15 FLOORS
BELOW US RIGHT NOW.
1373
01:03:28,167 --> 01:03:31,634
WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD
PUT MY NAME IN AT LIFETIME,
1374
01:03:31,667 --> 01:03:34,067
SEE MAYBE SOMEONE
WOULD BE INTERESTED THERE.
1375
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:36,100
I WOULD REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT, STEVEN.
1376
01:03:36,133 --> 01:03:39,467
[TELEPHONE RINGING]
1377
01:03:40,868 --> 01:03:42,534
Woman: GOOD AFTERNOON,
LIFETIME.
1378
01:03:42,567 --> 01:03:44,634
IS DAWN THERE?
IT'S STEVEN CHOW.
1379
01:03:44,667 --> 01:03:45,767
RuPaul: THE CALL TO LIFETIME
1380
01:03:45,801 --> 01:03:48,734
WENT UNRETURNED, AND TAMMY
FOUND OTHER NETWORKS
1381
01:03:48,767 --> 01:03:52,667
UNWILLING TO MEET
AND DISCUSS HER
TELEVISION COMEBACK.
1382
01:03:52,701 --> 01:03:56,801
SO SHE RETURNED
TO THE DESERT...
1383
01:03:59,901 --> 01:04:02,334
Tammy: COME ON, MUFFIN.
1384
01:04:02,367 --> 01:04:04,300
[WHISTLING]
1385
01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:05,300
MUFFIN?
1386
01:04:05,334 --> 01:04:08,300
RuPaul: ALONE,
WITH HER DOLLS,
1387
01:04:08,334 --> 01:04:09,300
HER DOGS...
1388
01:04:09,334 --> 01:04:11,067
YOU STAY, RIGHT THERE.
1389
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,100
AND HER FAITH.
1390
01:04:13,133 --> 01:04:16,567
♪ HALLELUJAH ♪
1391
01:04:16,601 --> 01:04:20,067
♪ HALLELUJAH ♪
1392
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:22,667
♪ HALLELUJAH ♪
1393
01:04:22,701 --> 01:04:25,367
Man: MY WIFE AND I
RAN INTO TAMMY FAYE,
1394
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,734
AND WE'D MET HER PRIOR
AND I SAID,
1395
01:04:27,767 --> 01:04:30,200
"WELL, TAMMY FAYE,
WHY DON'T YOU COME
TO CHURCH?"
1396
01:04:30,234 --> 01:04:32,734
AND SHE SAID,
"OH, I COULDN'T
COME TO CHURCH
1397
01:04:32,767 --> 01:04:34,200
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN
DIVORCED."
1398
01:04:34,234 --> 01:04:36,901
WHEN WE DO KIND
OF MISS THE MARK,
1399
01:04:36,934 --> 01:04:40,100
WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY IS
COME BACK.
1400
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:43,534
Tammy: GOING BACK TO CHURCH
WAS VERY FRIGHTENING FOR ME.
1401
01:04:43,567 --> 01:04:45,167
BUT AS I WALKED
IN OUR CHURCH,
1402
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,133
PASTOR JEFF CAME AND PUT THOSE
GREAT BIG OL' ARMS
AROUND ME,
1403
01:04:49,167 --> 01:04:52,968
AND HE SAID, "TAMMY FAYE,
WE WANT YOU HERE."
1404
01:04:53,067 --> 01:04:54,334
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
1405
01:04:54,367 --> 01:04:57,133
I BELONGED
AT PASTOR JEFF'S CHURCH.
1406
01:04:57,167 --> 01:05:00,834
RuPaul: TODAY TAMMY
LEADS THE CHOIR
1407
01:05:00,868 --> 01:05:03,067
AND PLAYS
FRANK SINATRA'S ORGAN,
1408
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:04,501
A BEQUEST TO THE CHURCH.
1409
01:05:04,534 --> 01:05:08,801
Tammy: YOU CANNOT GO FORWARD
LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW
MIRROR OF YOUR LIFE.
1410
01:05:08,834 --> 01:05:11,100
JUST DROP IT ALL
AND MOVE ON
1411
01:05:11,133 --> 01:05:13,067
AND IT'S THE ONLY WAY IN LIFE
1412
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:17,934
THAT YOU WILL EVER FIND
PEACE, JOY AND VICTORY.
1413
01:05:24,133 --> 01:05:26,801
[GRRR]
1414
01:05:26,834 --> 01:05:29,300
RuPaul: FINALLY TAMMY
HAD THE CONFIDENCE
1415
01:05:29,334 --> 01:05:30,534
TO SING AGAIN.
1416
01:05:30,567 --> 01:05:34,601
SHE ACCEPTED AN INVITATION
TO SING AT ORAL ROBERTS
UNIVERSITY
1417
01:05:34,634 --> 01:05:37,367
IN THE HEART
OF BIBLE COUNTRY.
1418
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,167
Tammy: I DREADED GOING BACK
1419
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,100
BECAUSE THE CHRISTIAN
COMMUNITY HAD BEEN
SO UNKIND TO US,
1420
01:05:43,133 --> 01:05:46,167
AND I FELT WE HAD
BEEN JUDGED SO UNFAIRLY
1421
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,801
BY OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
IN THE LORD.
1422
01:05:48,834 --> 01:05:55,634
TO MAKE THE TRIP, TAMMY
ALSO HAD TO OVERCOME
HER FEAR OF FLYING.
1423
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:58,767
I USED TO BE HORRIBLY
NERVOUS ON AIRPLANES.
1424
01:05:58,801 --> 01:06:02,434
I'M ONLY SLIGHTLY NERVOUS
ON AN AIRPLANE NOW,
1425
01:06:02,467 --> 01:06:04,133
AND IT'S GETTING BETTER
ALL THE TIME.
1426
01:06:04,167 --> 01:06:05,667
[THUNDER]
1427
01:06:05,701 --> 01:06:07,901
RuPaul: BAD WEATHER GROUNDED
THE PLANE IN DALLAS.
1428
01:06:07,934 --> 01:06:11,047
Man: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
THIS IS THE CAPTAIN SPEAKING.
1429
01:06:11,067 --> 01:06:12,133
THE GUST FRONT
HAS JUST HIT,
1430
01:06:12,167 --> 01:06:15,701
SO WE ARE GOING
TO BE SITTING HERE
FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
1431
01:06:15,734 --> 01:06:18,601
I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL.
1432
01:06:20,534 --> 01:06:22,567
I'M SCARED.
1433
01:06:25,167 --> 01:06:27,534
I THINK WE'RE SAFE
IN HERE WITH LIGHTNING
1434
01:06:27,567 --> 01:06:31,667
BECAUSE IT'S GOT
TIRES ON IT, RIGHT?
1435
01:06:32,601 --> 01:06:33,567
IF THIS PLANE
DIDN'T HAVE TIRES ON IT,
1436
01:06:33,601 --> 01:06:36,367
WOULD WE ALL BE FRIED?
1437
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,501
I DON'T KNOW.
1438
01:06:39,868 --> 01:06:42,534
♪ WHOO HOO ♪
1439
01:06:43,367 --> 01:06:46,100
NOW, HERE ARE THE OPTIONS.
WE'RE ALL HUNGRY.
1440
01:06:46,133 --> 01:06:51,167
Woman: WE'RE PROBABLY
GOING TO BE SITTING HERE
FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER.
1441
01:06:51,734 --> 01:06:53,667
HELLO, TAMMY.
[SILLY VOICE]
WELL, HELLO THERE.
1442
01:06:53,701 --> 01:06:57,047
[REGULAR VOICE]
ARE YOU ANXIOUS
TO GET TO TULSA?
1443
01:06:57,067 --> 01:06:59,300
[SILLY VOICE]
SURE AS HECK AM.
1444
01:06:59,334 --> 01:07:01,868
WELL, I THINK
WE SHOULD DRIVE.
1445
01:07:01,901 --> 01:07:04,701
[REGULAR VOICE]
ME, TOO, TAM.
1446
01:07:29,567 --> 01:07:31,167
Man: SHE'S A FABULOUS SINGER.
1447
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,567
UH, SHE REALLY CONNECTS
WELL WITH THE PEOPLE.
1448
01:07:33,601 --> 01:07:38,047
THIS WAS HER FIRST CONCERT
IN OVER A DECADE.
1449
01:07:38,067 --> 01:07:40,167
♪ YOU GAVE ME ♪
1450
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,734
♪ THE CHANCE I NEEDED ♪
1451
01:07:44,767 --> 01:07:48,701
♪ TO START AGAIN ♪
1452
01:07:48,734 --> 01:07:49,968
Tammy: I WAS VERY,
VERY NERVOUS
1453
01:07:50,067 --> 01:07:53,100
BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW
HOW I WOULD BE TREATED
1454
01:07:53,133 --> 01:07:54,868
AFTER SO MANY YEARS.
1455
01:07:54,901 --> 01:07:55,868
♪ AND-- ♪
1456
01:07:55,901 --> 01:07:58,701
THERE'S TOO MUCH BASS
IN THIS DOWN HERE
1457
01:07:58,734 --> 01:07:59,701
IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
1458
01:07:59,734 --> 01:08:02,334
ALL I'M HEARING IS
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM.
1459
01:08:02,367 --> 01:08:05,200
David: THERE'S AN ELDERLY LADY
IN MY DAD'S CHURCH,
1460
01:08:05,234 --> 01:08:07,968
AND WHEN SHE FOUND OUT
THAT TAMMY FAYE
1461
01:08:08,067 --> 01:08:09,801
WAS GOING TO BE PREACHING
AT BROTHER DAVID'S CHURCH,
1462
01:08:09,834 --> 01:08:12,067
SHE SAID, "WHY IS SHE
COMING HERE?"
1463
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:14,734
SHE JUST HAPPENED TO BE
STANDING IN THE RIGHT PLACE
1464
01:08:14,767 --> 01:08:16,567
WHILE TAMMY FAYE WAS
COMING OUT OF HER ROOM
1465
01:08:16,601 --> 01:08:19,334
GETTING READY
TO GO ON STAGE AND SING,
1466
01:08:19,367 --> 01:08:21,334
AND I DIDN'T SAY A WORD.
1467
01:08:21,367 --> 01:08:22,934
Tammy: HI,
HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
1468
01:08:22,968 --> 01:08:26,067
I'M FINE.
HOW ARE YOU, DARLIN'?
1469
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:27,067
GOD BLESS YOU.
BLESS YOUR HEART.
1470
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,300
BLESS YOUR HEART.
1471
01:08:28,334 --> 01:08:31,300
David: THE NEXT DAY
THIS LADY WAS SITTING
ON THE SECOND ROW,
1472
01:08:31,334 --> 01:08:35,047
JUST WITH THIS BIG OL'--
I THINK THEY'RE HER OWN
TEETH, BY THE WAY, TOO--
1473
01:08:35,067 --> 01:08:36,968
THIS BIG OL' SET OF TEETH
AND JUST SMILING
1474
01:08:37,067 --> 01:08:40,567
AND JUST ROOTING TAMMY ON
AND RUBBING HER ON THE BACK
AND PATTING HER.
1475
01:08:40,601 --> 01:08:41,801
SO TALKING ABOUT
RESERVATIONS,
1476
01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:43,667
WHY DO CHRISTIANS
HAVE RESERVATIONS?
1477
01:08:43,701 --> 01:08:45,334
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HER.
1478
01:08:45,367 --> 01:08:46,734
Announcer:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
1479
01:08:46,767 --> 01:08:50,601
TONIGHT'S SPECIAL GUEST:
TAMMY FAYE.
1480
01:08:59,534 --> 01:09:00,501
Tammy Faye: WHEN I WALKED IN
1481
01:09:00,534 --> 01:09:03,047
AND WAS RECEIVED
WITH SO MUCH LOVE
1482
01:09:03,067 --> 01:09:05,868
AND GENUINELY, THEY SEEMED
HAPPY TO SEE ME,
1483
01:09:05,901 --> 01:09:08,601
WHICH I WAS GENUINELY
HAPPY TO BE BACK
1484
01:09:08,634 --> 01:09:10,701
WHERE I ONCE BELONGED.
1485
01:09:10,734 --> 01:09:12,200
GOSH.
1486
01:09:13,734 --> 01:09:14,834
I NEED A KLEENEX.
HA HA.
1487
01:09:14,868 --> 01:09:21,868
♪ GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH ♪
1488
01:09:22,067 --> 01:09:29,067
♪ GLORY, GLORY, HALLELUJAH ♪
1489
01:09:30,601 --> 01:09:37,267
♪ GLORY, GLORY HALLELUJAH ♪
1490
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:44,300
♪ HIS TRUTH IS MARCHING ON ♪
1491
01:09:46,167 --> 01:09:53,167
♪ HIS TRUTH IS MARCHING ON ♪
1492
01:10:00,901 --> 01:10:01,868
THANK YOU, LORD,
1493
01:10:01,901 --> 01:10:04,133
FOR THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA!
1494
01:10:04,167 --> 01:10:06,567
WE PRAY FOR OUR PRESIDENT,
O FATHER.
1495
01:10:06,601 --> 01:10:11,667
WE THANK YOU, LORD,
THAT WE LIVE IN THIS
WONDERFUL COUNTRY.
1496
01:10:11,701 --> 01:10:15,267
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
1497
01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:17,567
HALLELUJAH.
1498
01:10:17,601 --> 01:10:18,801
OH, YES.
1499
01:10:18,834 --> 01:10:21,234
Tammy Faye: IN
ANCIENT CIVILIZATION,
1500
01:10:21,267 --> 01:10:24,868
IF YOU MURDERED SOMEBODY,
THEY DIDN'T PUT YOU IN JAIL.
1501
01:10:24,901 --> 01:10:27,400
THEY DID SOMETHING FAR WORSE.
1502
01:10:27,434 --> 01:10:30,367
THEY TOOK THE PERSON
THAT YOU MURDERED
1503
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,968
AND STUCK HIM ON YOUR BACK.
1504
01:10:32,067 --> 01:10:34,734
CAN YOU IMAGINE
WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE
1505
01:10:34,767 --> 01:10:38,467
TO HAVE A DEAD PERSON
STRAPPED TO YOUR BACK?
1506
01:10:38,501 --> 01:10:40,367
WELL, THE FIRST THING
THAT STARTS HAPPENING,
1507
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,734
THEY START DECAYING.
1508
01:10:43,767 --> 01:10:46,434
OH, GOSH, AND THEY START
SMELLING BAD
1509
01:10:46,467 --> 01:10:48,047
AND THEN BUGS GET ON THEM.
1510
01:10:48,067 --> 01:10:50,767
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY CALL
THOSE THINGS THAT EAT THEM?
1511
01:10:50,801 --> 01:10:52,701
MAGGOTS! OOH!
MAGGOTS! MAGGOTS!
1512
01:10:52,734 --> 01:10:56,667
I HAD JERRY FALWELL STRAPPED
ON MY BACK FOR A LONG TIME.
1513
01:10:56,701 --> 01:10:59,901
HE WAS ON MY BACK
STRAPPED SO TIGHTLY TO ME
1514
01:10:59,934 --> 01:11:01,767
I COULDN'T--
I COULDN'T BREATHE.
1515
01:11:01,801 --> 01:11:03,100
I COULD HARDLY EAT.
1516
01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:04,767
I HAD A HARD TIME SLEEPING.
1517
01:11:04,801 --> 01:11:08,167
I WAS MISERABLE.
HE WAS DESTROYING MY LIFE.
1518
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,167
JERRY FALWELL WAS KILLING ME
1519
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,300
ALL BECAUSE I WAS SO ANGRY
AT SOMEONE I COULDN'T FORGET.
1520
01:11:13,334 --> 01:11:16,567
NOW, WAS IT HURTING
JERRY FALWELL THAT
I WAS ANGRY?
1521
01:11:16,601 --> 01:11:18,200
HA HA HA HA. HE'S DEAD.
1522
01:11:18,234 --> 01:11:21,601
THE ONLY ONE IT WAS KILLING
WAS TAMMY FAYE,
1523
01:11:21,634 --> 01:11:24,400
AND ONE DAY, I GAVE
JERRY FALWELL TO THE LORD.
1524
01:11:24,434 --> 01:11:30,634
AND I SAID, "LORD, THERE'S
NOT A THING I CAN DO ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
1525
01:11:30,667 --> 01:11:35,567
"IT'S GONE. I CAN'T DO A THING
ABOUT WHAT JERRY FALWELL DID
1526
01:11:35,601 --> 01:11:37,434
"TO HERITAGE U.S.A. AND PTL.
1527
01:11:37,467 --> 01:11:38,734
"THAT'S ALL OVER,
1528
01:11:38,767 --> 01:11:41,267
"BUT I CAN DO SOMETHING
ABOUT MYSELF
1529
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:43,868
AND THE WAY I FEEL."
1530
01:11:48,734 --> 01:11:50,334
RuPaul: THANKSGIVING, 1998.
1531
01:11:50,367 --> 01:11:53,367
WITH JUST A FEW MONTHS TO GO
TILL ROE'S RELEASE,
1532
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,868
TAMMY RETURNS
TO HERITAGE U.S.A.
1533
01:11:54,901 --> 01:12:01,901
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
SHE AND JIM LOST THEIR
PTL MINISTRY IN 1987.
1534
01:12:02,501 --> 01:12:05,667
SINCE BANKRUPTCY,
THE 2,200 ACRE COMPLEX
1535
01:12:05,701 --> 01:12:08,934
HAS LAIN EMPTY
AND ABANDONED.
1536
01:12:11,601 --> 01:12:15,400
♪ ON THE PAGES OF MY MIND ♪
1537
01:12:15,434 --> 01:12:20,067
♪ LORD, I OFTEN FIND ♪
1538
01:12:20,901 --> 01:12:23,501
♪ MEMORIES ♪
1539
01:12:25,501 --> 01:12:28,467
♪ OF THE TEARS I'VE CRIED ♪
1540
01:12:28,501 --> 01:12:31,467
♪ OF THE DAYS GONE BY ♪
1541
01:12:31,501 --> 01:12:35,801
♪ OF THE PAIN I'VE SEEN ♪
1542
01:12:38,067 --> 01:12:44,567
♪ OH, I TRIED TO UNDERSTAND
WITH A FRIEND'S HELPING HAND ♪
1543
01:12:44,601 --> 01:12:47,634
♪ IT SEEMED FUTILITY... ♪
1544
01:12:47,667 --> 01:12:52,801
Tammy Faye: JIM WOULD HAVE
NEVER ALLOWED...
1545
01:12:52,834 --> 01:12:55,467
A CHAIR LIKE THIS...
1546
01:12:55,868 --> 01:12:56,834
TO SIT.
1547
01:12:56,868 --> 01:13:01,133
AT HERITAGE U.S.A.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAINTED.
1548
01:13:01,167 --> 01:13:03,367
HE NEVER ALLOWED
A LIGHT BULB TO BE OUT,
1549
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,901
HE NEVER ALLOWED
A DIRTY REST ROOM,
1550
01:13:05,934 --> 01:13:09,133
HE NEVER ALLOWED
GRASS TO GROW UNCUT,
1551
01:13:09,167 --> 01:13:11,734
AND HE WOULD HAVE NEVER
ALLOWED THIS.
1552
01:13:11,767 --> 01:13:16,200
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS CHAIR
RUSTED AWAY,
1553
01:13:16,234 --> 01:13:19,501
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT'S
HAPPENED TO HERITAGE U.S.A.,
1554
01:13:19,534 --> 01:13:24,634
AND HOW I WOULD LOVE
TO PUT A FRESH COAT
OF PAINT ON IT...
1555
01:13:24,667 --> 01:13:26,434
AND MAKE IT LIVE AGAIN...
1556
01:13:26,467 --> 01:13:28,133
[SOBS]
1557
01:13:28,167 --> 01:13:34,133
BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
I CAN'T DO THAT.
1558
01:13:35,434 --> 01:13:39,267
THIS MORNING, WHEN I
WAS NEEDING SOME COMFORT,
1559
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:42,601
I TURNED TO MY FAVORITE
SCRIPTURE, PSALMS 91.
1560
01:13:42,634 --> 01:13:46,467
"HE THAT DWELLETH IN THE
SECRET PLACE OF THE MOST HIGH
1561
01:13:46,501 --> 01:13:49,701
SHALL ABIDE UNDER THE SHADOW
OF THE ALMIGHTY."
1562
01:13:49,734 --> 01:13:52,067
THIS IS THE PART I LIKE.
1563
01:13:58,067 --> 01:13:58,968
[REPRESSING TEARS]
1564
01:13:59,067 --> 01:14:02,167
"HE SHALL COVER THEE
WITH HIS FEATHERS
1565
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:07,567
AND UNDER HIS WINGS
SHALT THOU TRUST."
1566
01:14:08,901 --> 01:14:11,534
"BECAUSE HE HAS SET
HIS LOVE UPON ME,
1567
01:14:11,567 --> 01:14:13,567
"THEREFORE
WILL I DELIVER HIM.
1568
01:14:13,601 --> 01:14:17,801
"I WILL SET HIM ON HIGH
BECAUSE HE HATH KNOWN MY NAME.
1569
01:14:17,834 --> 01:14:21,801
"HE SHALL CALL UPON ME
AND I WILL ANSWER HIM.
1570
01:14:21,834 --> 01:14:23,767
"I WILL
BE WITH HIM IN TROUBLE.
1571
01:14:23,801 --> 01:14:26,067
"I WILL DELIVER HIM
AND HONOR HIM,
1572
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:29,434
"AND WITH LONG LIFE,
I WILL SATISFY HIM
1573
01:14:29,467 --> 01:14:32,767
AND SHOW HIM MY SALVATION."
1574
01:14:37,067 --> 01:14:42,901
I WILL HUG ROE TODAY
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2 YEARS
1575
01:14:42,934 --> 01:14:47,300
WITHOUT HAVING PEOPLE
STANDING THERE WATCHING ME.
1576
01:15:05,834 --> 01:15:07,801
Roe: I'M STILL NUMB,
REALLY.
1577
01:15:07,834 --> 01:15:11,267
YOU KNOW, BEING AWAY
FROM YOUR WIFE
AND FAMILY
1578
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:13,334
IS REALLY HARD.
1579
01:15:13,367 --> 01:15:17,334
IT'S JUST...YOU KNOW,
I JUST DON'T KNOW
HOW TO SAY IT
1580
01:15:17,367 --> 01:15:19,767
OTHER THAN THAT.
1581
01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:25,634
WELL, WE GOTTA GO
GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AGAIN.
1582
01:15:25,667 --> 01:15:27,367
GOOD-BYE.
1583
01:15:27,767 --> 01:15:31,634
Tammy Faye: I'M JUST
A SMALL TOWN GIRL AT HEART
1584
01:15:31,667 --> 01:15:35,667
AND I WANT TO GO BACK
TO THE TREES AND THE GRASS
1585
01:15:35,701 --> 01:15:42,167
AND THE FLOWERS AND MY KIDS
AND MY GRANDKIDS.
1586
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,934
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT,
THAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS.
1587
01:15:45,968 --> 01:15:50,133
THAT'S WHAT COUNTS IN LIFE,
AND I'VE LEARNED THAT.
1588
01:15:50,167 --> 01:15:52,334
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE
1589
01:15:52,367 --> 01:15:54,634
AND--AND--AND STUFF.
1590
01:15:54,667 --> 01:15:57,167
IT'S PEOPLE THAT COUNT.
1591
01:16:05,634 --> 01:16:12,634
♪ DON'T GIVE UP
ON THE BRINK OF A MIRACLE ♪
1592
01:16:13,767 --> 01:16:20,767
♪ DON'T GIVE IN WHILE
HE'S STILL ON THE THRONE ♪
1593
01:16:22,067 --> 01:16:29,067
♪ DON'T GIVE UP
ON THE BRINK OF A MIRACLE ♪
1594
01:16:30,067 --> 01:16:32,200
♪ DON'T GIVE UP ♪
1595
01:16:32,234 --> 01:16:39,047
♪ REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT ALONE ♪
1596
01:16:39,067 --> 01:16:40,434
♪ WELL, THE DEVIL IS A THIEF ♪
1597
01:16:40,467 --> 01:16:46,834
♪ AND HE SENDS ALL THOSE
TROUBLES TO CONFOUND YOU ♪
1598
01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:48,801
♪ AND HE LIES AND SAYS
THIS TIME ♪
1599
01:16:48,834 --> 01:16:55,701
♪ THERE'S NO WAY YOU
CAN FIND TO MAKE IT THROUGH ♪
1600
01:16:55,734 --> 01:16:57,534
♪ GOD'S WORD IS TRUE ♪
1601
01:16:57,567 --> 01:16:59,934
♪ THE DEVIL IS THE LORD'S ♪
1602
01:16:59,968 --> 01:17:01,434
♪ DON'T GIVE IN TO FEAR ♪
1603
01:17:01,467 --> 01:17:04,047
♪ THINK ON THINGS
THAT ARE PURE ♪
1604
01:17:04,067 --> 01:17:05,534
♪ AND PRAISE THE LORD ♪
1605
01:17:05,567 --> 01:17:10,567
♪ YOUR MIRACLE IS HERE ♪
1606
01:17:10,601 --> 01:17:17,601
♪ DON'T GIVE UP
ON THE BRINK OF A MIRACLE ♪
1607
01:17:19,434 --> 01:17:20,834
♪ DON'T YOU GIVE IN ♪
1608
01:17:20,868 --> 01:17:27,367
♪ GOD IS STILL ON HIS THRONE ♪
1609
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:28,567
♪ DON'T GIVE UP ♪
1610
01:17:28,601 --> 01:17:35,467
♪ YOU'RE ON THE BRINK
OF YOUR MIRACLE ♪
1611
01:17:35,501 --> 01:17:36,834
♪ DON'T GIVE UP ♪
1612
01:17:36,868 --> 01:17:43,200
♪ REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT ALONE ♪
1613
01:17:43,234 --> 01:17:44,701
♪ NOW, DON'T GIVE UP ♪
1614
01:17:44,734 --> 01:17:51,501
♪ ON THE BRINK
OF A MIRACLE ♪
1615
01:17:51,534 --> 01:17:52,767
♪ DON'T GIVE IN ♪
1616
01:17:52,801 --> 01:17:59,167
♪ REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT ALONE ♪
1617
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,200
♪ OH, DON'T GIVE IN ♪
1618
01:18:01,234 --> 01:18:08,234
♪ REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT ALONE ♪
1619
01:18:09,067 --> 01:18:11,467
♪ YOU'RE NOT ALONE! ♪
1620
01:18:11,501 --> 01:18:13,501
COME ON, PEOPLE,
DON'T YOU DARE GIVE UP!
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