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A Division of TIME WARNER
ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY, L.P.
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NOW, I FIRST THOUGHT
THE TWO KIDS WHO DID THIS
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CAME FROM
SOMEPLACE ELSE.
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WHEN I LEARNED THAT
THEY HAD GROWN UP IN LARAMIE,
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I WAS JUST FLOORED !
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In Laramie, Wyoming,
a young man is in a deep coma,
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near death,
from a savage beating.
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WHEN I FIRST FOUND OUT,
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS HORRIBLE.
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NOBODY DESERVES THAT.
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I DON'T CARE
WHO YOU ARE.
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A college freshman was beaten,
tied to a fence,
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and left for dead
in Wyoming this week.
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CERTAINLY YOU'D LIKE
TO THINK THIS WAS SOMEBODY
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FROM OUT OF TOWN.
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SOMEBODY WHO COMES THROUGH
AND BEATS SOMEBODY UP.
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BUT IF WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT SOMEBODY
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WHO'S BEEN BEATEN
REPEATEDLY
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BY SOMEBODY
FROM OUR TOWN...
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WELL, THAT CERTAINLY
OFFENDS US.
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IF YOU ASKED ME BEFORE,
I WOULD'VE TOLD YOU
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LARAMIE'S
A BEAUTIFUL TOWN.
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IT'S SECLUDED.
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YOU KNOW,
SECLUDED ENOUGH
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SO YOU CAN
HAVE YOUR OWN IDENTITY.
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YOU KNOW, NOW...
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AFTER MATTHEW...
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WE'RE A TOWN DEFINED
BY AN ACCIDENT
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OR A CRIME, YOU KNOW ?
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WE'VE BECOME WACO
OR JASPER.
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WE'RE A NOUN
OR A DEFINITION
OR A SIGN.
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DO YOU MIND
IF I TAPE THIS ?
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NO, I DON'T MIND.
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GREAT, THANK YOU.
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AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TAKING
TIME OUT OF YOUR REHEARSAL
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TO TALK TO ME.
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I MUST TELL YOU
WHEN I FIRST HEARD
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YOU WERE THINKING
OF COMING HERE,
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WHEN YOU FIRST
CALLED ME,
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I WANTED TO SAY...
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YOU JUST KICKED ME
IN THE STOMACH,
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WHY ARE YOU DOING
THIS TO ME ?
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AND THEN I THOUGHT,
WELL, THAT'S STUPID
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YOU'RE NOT DOING
THIS TO ME.
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AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,
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MY STUDENTS
NEED TO TALK.
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WHEN THIS
FIRST HAPPENED,
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THEY STARTED TO TALK ABOUT IT
AND THEN THE MEDIA DESCENDED
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AND ALL DIALOGUE
STOPPED.
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WE'RE NOT REPORTERS.
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I KNOW,
I READ YOUR LAST PLAY.
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YOU DID ?
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MM-HMM.
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GAVE ME AN IDEA
OF WHAT YOU DO.
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MOISES CALLED SAYING
HE HAD AN IDEA
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FOR HIS NEXT
THEATER PROJECT,
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BUT THERE WAS
A SOMBERNESS TO HIS VOICE.
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SO, I ASKED HIM
WHAT IT WAS L ABOUT.
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AND HE SAID HE MAY
WANT TO DO A PIECE
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ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN WYOMING.
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LEE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME
THAT THE COMPANY WAS THINKING
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OF GOING DOWN TO LARAMIE
AND CONDUCTING SOME INTERVIEWS
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AND DID
I WANT TO COME ?
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I DID, I SAID, YEAH.
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BUT I...
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I WAS HESITANT,
BECAUSE AS A GAY MAN,
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I MEAN...
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A KID HAD JUST BEEN KILLED
THERE BECAUSE HE WAS GAY.
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WHAT EXACTLY
DO YOU WANT ?
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WELL, I'D LIKE YOU
TO GIVE ME NAMES OF PEOPLE
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WHO MIGHT WANT
TO TALK TO US.
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I'D LIKE TO TALK
TO YOUR STUDENTS
AND YOUR FRIENDS.
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I WANT TO HEAR
FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN.
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I HAVE NEVER DONE
ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
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HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE
TO TALK TO YOU ?
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WHAT DO YOU ASK ?
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IT'S STILL
VERY RAW FOR US HERE.
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I UNDERSTAND,
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BUT THIS IS NO LONGER
ABOUT LARAMIE OR WYOMING.
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THIS IS ABOUT
THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
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TO ME,
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IT'S STILL
ABOUT LARAMIE.
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THE COMPANY HAS AGREED
TO COME TO LARAMIE
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AND INTERVIEW THE PEOPLE
OF THE TOWN.
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AND I'M SCARED 'CAUSE
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO
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ABOUT TRYING
TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY.
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I MADE A PRELIMINARY
CONTACT WITH REBECCA HILLIKER
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WHO'S THE HEAD OF
THE THEATER DEPARTMENT
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AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF WYOMING.
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AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL
LEAD TO MORE INTERVIEWS.
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YOU'RE LATE.
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I KNOW, WE TALKED FOR A LOT
LONGER THAN I PLANNED.
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WHAT DID REBECCA SAY ?
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SHE GAVE ME NAMES OF A BUNCH OF
PEOPLE WHO MIGHT TALK TO US.
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TOWNSPEOPLE AND RANCHERS,
SOME STUDENTS.
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SO, WE SHOULD TRY AND
CONTACT THESE PEOPLE FIRST.
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LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY'S
GONNA TALK.
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GREAT.
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YOU OKAY ?
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WHAT ?
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PLEASE DON'T
DO THAT HERE.
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WHERE'RE
YOU FOLKS FROM ?
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( together )
NEW YORK.
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AND WHAT BRINGS YOU
TO TOWN ?
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WE'RE JUST
PASSING THROUGH.
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( phone )
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HI.
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IS LINDA HOME ?
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NO, SHE'S WORKING.
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OKAY, WELL, CAN YOU TELL HER
THAT AMANDA STOPPED BY
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AND I'LL BE AT
THE RANGER MOTEL ?
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AND WHO ARE YOU ?
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I'M WITH
THE THEATER COMPANY,
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REBECCA HILLIKER
TOLD HER ABOUT ME.
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I NEVER HEARD OF HER,
WHAT DO YOU WANT ?
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WELL, I'M WITH
THE THEATER COMPANY
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AND WE'RE WRITING A PLAY
ABOUT LARAMIE
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AND THE MATTHEW SHEPARD
INCIDENT.
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WHY ARE YOU
DOING THAT ?
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WE THINK IT'S A STORY--
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YOU'RE STICKING YOUR NOSE
INTO SOMETHING
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WE DON'T NEED
TO TALK ABOUT ANYMORE.
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THAT'S OVER AND DONE.
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I UNDERSTAND
YOUR FEELING--
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WE DON'T WANT
ANYMORE OF THIS.
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YOU'RE NOT WANTED HERE.
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WHERE ARE YOU GOING
WITH THIS STORY ?
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WELL, WHEN THE PLAY
IS FINISHED,
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WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT
AROUND TO LARAMIE.
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AND YOU'RE GONNA
USE OUR WORDS ?
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THAT'S THE IDEA.
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WELL, I'VE BEEN
CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE CASE
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TO KNOW MANY OF
THE PEOPLE.
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I HAVE A DAUGHTER, WORKS IN
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
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AS FOR
THE GAY ISSUE,
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I DON'T GIVE A DAMN
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER
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AS LONG AS
THEY DON'T BOTHER ME.
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AND EVEN IF THEY DID,
I'D JUST SAY, "NO, THANK YOU".
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AND THAT'S THE ATTITUDE OF
MOST OF THE LARAMIE POPULATION.
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THEY MIGHT POKE ONE
IN A BAR SITUATION, YOU KNOW ?
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THEY'VE BEEN DRINKING,
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THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY
SMACK ONE IN THE MOUTH,
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BUT THEN
THEY JUST WALK AWAY.
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LARAMIE IS
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
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MY DEAR BROTHERS
AND SISTERS,
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I'M HERE TODAY TO BRING YOU
THE WORD OF THE LORD.
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IN MY MINISTRY,
I FOUND A SIMPLE TRUTH
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THAT I'D LIKE
TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY,
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AND IT'S THIS.
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THE WORD
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IS EITHER SUFFICIENT
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OR IT IS NOT.
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NOW, SCIENTISTS TELL ME
THAT HUMAN HISTORY,
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THAT THE WORLD
IS FIVE BILLION
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OR SIX BILLION YEARS OLD.
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AFTER ALL,
WHAT'S A BILLION YEARS
GIVE OR TAKE ?
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BUT THE BIBLE
TELLS ME
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THAT HUMAN HISTORY
IS 6,000 YEARS OLD.
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THE WORD
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IS EITHER SUFFICIENT
OR IT IS NOT.
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IN LARAMIE,
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POPULATION 26,687,
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THE FIRST THING
TO GREET US WAS WALMART.
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THIS COULD BE
ANY MAIN DRAG IN AMERICA.
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FAST FOOD CHAINS,
GAS STATIONS.
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BUT AS WE DROVE
INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA
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BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS,
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THE BUILDINGS STILL
RETAIN THE SHAPE
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OF A TURN OF A CENTURY
WESTERN TOWN.
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OH, AND AS WE PASSED
THE UNIVERSITY INN,
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ON THE SIGN WHERE AMENITIES
SUCH AS HEATED POOL OR CABLE TV
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ARE USUALLY TOUTED,
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IT SAID...
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SO, HOW DID YOU
WIND UP HERE ?
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WELL, WHEN IT CAME TIME
TO GO TO COLLEGE,
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MY PARENTS COULDN'T REALLY
AFFORD TO SEND ME TO COLLEGE,
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SO, I KNEW THAT I WANTED
TO STUDY THEATRE,
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BUT I KNEW THAT IF
I WANTED TO GO TO COLLEGE,
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I HAD TO GET
ON A SCHOLARSHIP.
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SO, THERE'S THIS COMPETITION
THEY HAVE EVERY YEAR.
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IT'S A WYOMING STATE HIGH SCHOOL
COMPETITION THING.
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AND...
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SO, I CAME TO THE UNIVERSITY
TO THE THEATRE DEPARTMENT
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TO LOOK FOR SOME
GOOD SCENES, RIGHT ?
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AND I ASKED THE PROFESSOR,
I SAID...
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I NEED A KILLER SCENE
AND HE'S LIKE HERE.
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HERE YOU GO,
THIS IS IT.
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WHAT WAS IT ?
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THAT WAS
"ANGELS IN AMERICA".
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I READ THAT
AND I'M LIKE,
THIS IS OKAY.
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I CAN WIN BEST SCENE IF I JUST
DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, YOU KNOW ?
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SO, I TELL MY PARENTS,
SO THEY CAN SEE ME
IN THE COMPETITION.
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AND THEY BROUGHT ME IN THE ROOM
AND THEY SAT ME DOWN.
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AND THEY SAID THAT
THEY WOULDN'T COME TO SEE ME
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IF I DID THAT SCENE.
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THEY COULDN'T.
WHY IS THAT ?
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BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE
IT'S WRONG,
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HOMOSEXUALITY
IS WRONG.
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AND ALL I REMEMBER
FROM THE COMPETITION
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IS JUST
STANDING OVATION.
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OH, REALLY ?
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WE WON,
WE GOT FIRST PLACE.
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ONE OF THE BEST MOMENTS
OF MY LIFE.
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DID YOUR PARENTS COME ?
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PARENTS WEREN'T THERE.
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WHY'D YOU DO IT ?
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ACTUALLY, HONESTLY,
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I WANTED TO WIN.
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I REALLY...
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AND IT WAS
THE GREATEST SCENE.
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YOU KNOW,
I JUST WANTED--
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I JUST WANTED TO WIN.
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TODAY, FOR
THE FIRST TIME,
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I MET SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY
KNEW MATTHEW SHEPARD.
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TRISH STEGER,
OWNER OF A SHOP IN TOWN,
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REFERRED TO HIM
AS "MATT".
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MATT USED TO COME INTO MY SHOP,
THAT'S HOW I KNEW HIM.
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IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I EVER
HEARD HIM REFERRED TO AS "MATT"
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INSTEAD OF "MATTHEW".
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WELL,
WHAT WAS HE LIKE ?
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I DON'T KNOW,
YOU KNOW ?
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HOW DOES ANY ONE PERSON
EVER TELL ABOUT ANOTHER ?
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MATT WAS
A BLUNT LITTLE SHIT.
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YOU KNOW
WHAT I'M SAYING ?
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HE WAS
A LITTLE GUY, 5'2".
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SOAKING WET,
I BET YOU 97 POUNDS, TOPS.
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THEY WERE SAYING HE WEIGHED
110 POUNDS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
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I SAID, "ARE YOU
MATTHEW SHEPARD ?"
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AND HE SAYS,
"YEAH, I'M MATTHEW SHEPARD,
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"BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO
CALL ME MATTHEW OR MR. SHEPARD.
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"DON'T CALL ME
NONE OF THAT.
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"MY NAME IS MATT AND I WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT I AM GAY.
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"AND WE'RE GONNA
BE GOING TO A GAY BAR.
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DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH THAT ?"
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I SAID, "NO,
HOW YOU PAYING ?"
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THE FACT OF
THE MATTER IS
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LARAMIE DOESN'T
HAVE ANY GAY BARS.
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WELL, FOR THAT MATTER,
NEITHER DOES WYOMING.
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HE WAS HIRING ME TO TAKE HIM
DOWN TO FORT COLLINS, COLORADO.
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WHICH IS ABOUT
AN HOUR AWAY.
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HE WAS STRUGGLING
WHEN HE FIRST CAME HERE,
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REACHING OUT,
TRYING TO FIT IN.
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I'M SORRY I'M LATE.
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HI, MY SISTER,
ROMAINE.
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SHE WAS A CLOSE FRIEND
OF MATTHEW'S.
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MATTHEW REALLY WANTED
TO GET INTO POLITICAL AFFAIRS,
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THAT WAS ALL
HIS BIG INTEREST WAS.
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00:11:14,067 --> 00:11:16,767
WATCHING CNN
AND MSNBC.
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00:11:16,834 --> 00:11:20,634
THOSE WERE THE ONLY TV STATIONS
I EVER SAW HIS TV TUNED INTO.
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00:11:20,701 --> 00:11:22,868
SO, WHY DID HE MOVE
TO LARAMIE ?
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00:11:22,934 --> 00:11:25,901
HE TOLD ME HE WAS THINKING
ABOUT GOING BACK TO SCHOOL.
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00:11:25,968 --> 00:11:27,834
SO, I TOLD HIM,
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"GO TO THE UNIVERSITY
OF WYOMING, GO TO LARAMIE.
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YOU CAN REALLY
FIND A HOME THERE."
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00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,701
I WAS MATTHEW'S
ACADEMIC ADVISOR,
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00:11:35,767 --> 00:11:38,834
SO, I KNEW HIM IN
A VERY SPECIFIC CONTEXT.
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00:11:38,901 --> 00:11:41,734
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT
MATTHEW WAS VERY SHY
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WHEN HE FIRST CAME IN
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TO THE POINT OF BEING SOMEWHAT
MOUSY, I'D ALMOST SAY.
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00:11:45,868 --> 00:11:47,767
BUT SOON,
HIS SHYNESS
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BEGAN TO GIVE WAY
TO THIS PERSON THAT
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WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS TRACK
THAT HE WAS GOING TO EMBARK ON.
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00:11:53,834 --> 00:11:55,534
WHENEVER I THINK OF MATTHEW,
I THINK OF HIS...
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00:11:55,601 --> 00:11:58,601
INCREDIBLE
BEAMING SMILE.
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HE'D WALK INTO A ROOM
AND JUST BE LIKE...
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00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:05,634
AND HE'D SMILE
AT EVERYONE.
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HE MADE YOU FEEL GREAT.
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00:12:07,767 --> 00:12:11,067
HE WAS JUST STARTING TO SAY,
"THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
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"THERE ARE THINGS
I CAN DO IN THIS WORLD.
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I CAN BE IMPORTANT."
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00:12:15,834 --> 00:12:19,033
I HEARD FROM MATT ABOUT
48 HOURS BEFORE THE ATTACK.
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00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:21,534
AND HE TOLD ME
HE JUST JOINED
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THE GAY AND LESBIAN GROUP
ON CAMPUS.
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AND HE WAS
REALLY ENJOYING IT,
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00:12:25,467 --> 00:12:27,467
GETTING READY FOR
PRIDE WEEK AND WHATNOT.
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00:12:27,534 --> 00:12:30,133
HE WAS TOTALLY
STOKED ABOUT SCHOOL.
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HE WAS REALLY
HAPPY BEING THERE.
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I CAN ONLY SAY THIS
IN RETROSPECT, OF COURSE.
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I THINK THAT'S
WHERE HE WAS HEADED,
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00:12:38,167 --> 00:12:40,467
TOWARDS HUMAN RIGHTS.
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00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,100
LET ME TELL YOU
SOMETHING HERE.
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THERE'S MORE GAY PEOPLE
IN WYOMING THAN MEETS THE EYE.
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00:12:52,167 --> 00:12:52,934
YOU THINK ?
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00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,100
I KNOW,
I KNOW FOR A FACT.
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00:12:55,167 --> 00:12:59,300
NOT PARTICULARLY,
WHAT DO YOU CALL THE QUEENS,
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00:12:59,367 --> 00:13:00,934
THE GAY PEOPLE ?
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00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,133
QUEENS ?
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00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,701
YOU KNOW, THE RUNAROUND
FAGGOT-TYPE PEOPLE.
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00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:05,968
I MEAN, THEY'RE MORE
LIKE THE ONES WHO...
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00:13:06,033 --> 00:13:09,667
THROW A BAIL OF HAY, JUMP ON
A HORSE, BRAND HIM AND KICK ASS,
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00:13:09,734 --> 00:13:11,701
YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M SAYING ?
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AS I ALWAYS SAY, YOU DON'T
FUCK WITH A WYOMING QUEER
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'CAUSE THEY'LL FUCKING
KICK YOU IN YOUR ASS.
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00:13:16,601 --> 00:13:19,167
BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT
OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
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00:13:19,234 --> 00:13:20,701
WHAT IS THE POINT ?
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THE PEOPLE OF WYOMING
DO NOT GIVE A DAMN
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ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
IF YOU'RE GAY,
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IF YOU'RE STRAIGHT,
IF YOU'RE BISEXUAL,
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00:13:26,868 --> 00:13:28,634
TRISEXUAL,
DOESN'T MATTER.
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00:13:28,701 --> 00:13:29,500
REALLY ?
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00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:31,200
THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID,
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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00:13:31,267 --> 00:13:34,901
I WAS THE FIRST OUT
LESBIAN OR GAY FACILITY MEMBER.
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00:13:34,968 --> 00:13:37,100
AND THAT'S IN 1992,
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00:13:37,167 --> 00:13:39,300
SO, THAT'S NOT
THAT LONG AGO.
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00:13:39,367 --> 00:13:42,434
THEY ASKED ME AT THE INTERVIEW
WHAT MY HUSBAND DID.
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00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:44,200
SO, I CAME OUT THEN.
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00:13:44,267 --> 00:13:46,667
WHEN I FIRST
MOVED OUT HERE,
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I KNEW IT WAS GONNA
BE HARD AS A GAY MAN.
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AND THERE WOULD BE TIMES
I WOULD GO DOWN TO DENVER
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AND I WOULD GO
TO THE GAY BARS THERE.
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00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:56,434
AND PEOPLE WOULD ASK ME
WHERE I WAS FROM
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00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,467
I WOULD SAY
LARAMIE, WYOMING.
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00:13:58,534 --> 00:14:02,601
AND I MET SO MANY MEN
DOWN THERE
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00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:04,500
FROM WYOMING.
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00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:06,934
SO MANY GAY MEN
WHO GREW UP HERE
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00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,434
AND THEY ARE LIKE, "THIS IS NOT
A PLACE WHERE I CAN LIVE,
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00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,434
HOW CAN YOU LIVE THERE,
I HAD TO GET OUT."
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00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:12,567
RAH, RAH, RAH...
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00:14:12,634 --> 00:14:15,801
BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
THERE'D BE A GUY,
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00:14:15,868 --> 00:14:18,100
"OH GOSH,
I MISS LARAMIE.
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00:14:18,167 --> 00:14:20,567
"I MEAN,
I REALLY LOVE IT THERE.
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00:14:20,634 --> 00:14:22,334
THAT'S WHERE
I WANT TO LIVE."
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00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,767
THEY GET THIS
STARRY-EYED LOOK
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00:14:25,834 --> 00:14:28,567
AND I THINK, IF THAT IS
WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE,
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00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:30,434
DO IT.
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00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:32,734
SO, I GET INTO
MY OFFICE ONE DAY
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00:14:32,801 --> 00:14:35,067
AND I HAVE A MESSAGE
TO CALL THIS WOMAN BACK,
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00:14:35,133 --> 00:14:35,901
SO, I CALL HER BACK.
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00:14:35,968 --> 00:14:37,634
AND SHE GOES,
"I HEAR YOU ARE A LESBIAN.
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00:14:37,701 --> 00:14:39,801
I HEAR YOU ARE ONE."
333
00:14:39,868 --> 00:14:41,634
AND I'M LIKE,
"UH-HUH."
334
00:14:41,701 --> 00:14:43,601
SHE GOES,
"I'M ONE TOO."
335
00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:45,901
SHE WANTED TO COME OVER
AND MEET ME IMMEDIATELY.
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00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:47,601
SHE ALSOARNED ME
ABOUT THE FACT
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00:14:47,667 --> 00:14:50,033
THAT THERE'S OTHER LESBIANS
IN THIS TOWN
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00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:52,234
WHO WOULD NOT
BE SEEN WITH ME,
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00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:55,767
THAT JUST TO BE SEEN WITH ME
WOULD TAKE THEM IRREPARABLY.
340
00:14:55,834 --> 00:15:00,000
THAT JUST TO BE SEEN WITH ME
WOULD BE A BIG PROBLEM.
341
00:15:02,467 --> 00:15:04,234
I LOVE THIS LAND.
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00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:05,968
I MEAN,
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00:15:06,033 --> 00:15:09,634
I REALLY
LOVE THIS LAND.
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00:15:24,934 --> 00:15:26,834
OKAY, I'M GONNA
MAKE THIS BRIEF, QUICK.
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00:15:26,901 --> 00:15:28,267
JUST GET IT
OVER WITH.
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00:15:28,334 --> 00:15:30,968
BUT IT WILL BE EVERYTHING,
FACTUAL, JUST THE FACTS.
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00:15:31,033 --> 00:15:33,601
10:00, I PUNCH IN,
MY REGULAR TIME FOR TUESDAYS.
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00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:35,934
10:30, WE'RE HAVING
KARAOKE NIGHT THAT NIGHT,
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00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,133
SO, THERE'S MAYBE 20, 30 PEOPLE
MILLING AROUND IN HERE.
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00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,467
THAT'S WHEN MATTHEW SHEPARD
COMES IN ALONE.
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00:15:40,534 --> 00:15:42,167
HE COMES IN AND...
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00:15:42,234 --> 00:15:45,300
HE ACTUALLY SITS RIGHT WHERE
YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW.
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00:15:45,367 --> 00:15:47,400
ORDERS HIMSELF
A HEINEKEN.
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00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:49,167
SO, WHAT CAN I TELL YOU
ABOUT MATT ?
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00:15:49,234 --> 00:15:53,467
MANNERS, POLITENESS
INTELLIGENCE,
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00:15:53,534 --> 00:15:55,200
TAKING CARE OF ME,
AS IN TIPS.
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00:15:55,267 --> 00:15:57,667
EVERYTHING,
JUST OFFERS CONVERSATION.
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00:15:57,734 --> 00:16:00,500
HE COMES IN, HE'S ALWAYS
DRESSED REAL NICE, CLEAN CUT.
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00:16:00,567 --> 00:16:01,500
DIDN'T SEEM
TO HAVE ANY WORRIES.
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00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:03,334
IT WASN'T LIKE
HE WAS WAITING ON ANYBODY.
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00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,367
HE JUST WANTED
TO ENJOY HIS DRINK
AND THE COMPANY AROUND.
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00:16:12,901 --> 00:16:16,000
I GUESS IT WAS MAYBE 11:30,
11:45, THAT'S WHEN...
363
00:16:16,067 --> 00:16:19,067
RUSSELL HENDERSON
AND AARON McKINNEY CAME IN.
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00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:21,367
THEY COME IN,
THEY APPROACH THE BAR,
THEY SIT RIGHT HERE.
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00:16:21,434 --> 00:16:23,400
THEY ORDER A PITCHER
AND AS YOU KNOW,
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00:16:23,467 --> 00:16:26,634
THEY PAY FOR THE THING
ENTIRELY IN DIMES AND QUARTERS,
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00:16:26,701 --> 00:16:29,200
WHICH, LET ME TELL YOU,
IS SOMETHING YOU JUST
DON'T FORGET.
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00:16:29,267 --> 00:16:31,100
YOU DON'T FORGET
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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00:16:31,167 --> 00:16:33,000
$5.50 IN DIMES
AND QUARTERS
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00:16:33,067 --> 00:16:34,434
IS A FREAKIN' NIGHTMARE
FOR A BARTENDER.
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00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:36,667
MONEY MEANT
NOTHING TO MATTHEW,
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00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:38,701
'CAUSE HE GREW UP
WITH A LOT OF IT.
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00:16:38,767 --> 00:16:40,834
AND HE'D HAVE HANDED OVER
HIS WALLET IN A SECOND
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00:16:40,901 --> 00:16:43,067
BECAUSE MONEY
MEANT NOTHING TO HIM.
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00:16:43,133 --> 00:16:45,234
HIS SHOES MIGHT'VE
MEANT SOMETHING, BUT...
376
00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,033
THEY CAN SAY IT WAS ROBBERY
ALL THEY WANT TO,
377
00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,868
BUT I DON'T BUY IT, NOT EVEN
FOR AN IOTA OF A SECOND.
378
00:16:51,934 --> 00:16:53,567
LOOK, WHEN THEY CAME IN,
379
00:16:53,634 --> 00:16:56,534
HENDERSON AND McKINNEY TO ME,
THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE...
380
00:16:56,601 --> 00:16:59,000
THEY WEREN'T
INTOXIFICATED AT ALL.
381
00:16:59,067 --> 00:17:01,267
THEY CAME RIGHT IN,
THEY ORDERED A PITCHER OF BEER,
382
00:17:01,334 --> 00:17:02,667
TAKE IT BACK THERE
INTO THE POOL AREA
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00:17:02,734 --> 00:17:05,267
AND THEY PRETTY MUCH
JUST KEPT TO THEMSELVES.
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00:17:07,234 --> 00:17:08,701
PROBABLY GOING ON
FOR ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR.
385
00:17:08,767 --> 00:17:10,234
AND THEN, I NOTICED
THAT RUSSELL AND AARON
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00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:12,234
HAD BEEN TALKING
WITH MATTHEW SHEPARD.
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00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,634
SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING
HE MADE A PASS AT THEM.
388
00:17:15,701 --> 00:17:19,567
WELL, HELL, YOU DON'T
PICK UP REGULAR PEOPLE.
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00:17:20,534 --> 00:17:23,334
AARON AND I HAVE BEEN
TOGETHER FOR TWO YEARS.
390
00:17:24,534 --> 00:17:28,200
AND AARON SAID THAT A GUY WALKED
UP TO HIM AND SAID HE WAS GAY
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00:17:28,267 --> 00:17:30,434
AND WANTED TO GET
WITH HIM AND RUSS.
392
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:32,434
AND AARON'S REALLY
BAD ABOUT THAT.
393
00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:34,534
HE DOESN'T LIKE TO BE
AROUND GAY PEOPLE AT ALL
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00:17:34,601 --> 00:17:35,868
AND NEITHER DOES RUSS.
395
00:17:35,934 --> 00:17:37,300
THEY JUST
DON'T LIKE THEM.
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00:17:37,367 --> 00:17:38,834
AT ALL.
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00:17:38,901 --> 00:17:41,133
AND SO, HE GOT
AGGRAVATED WITH IT.
398
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,534
AND SAID THAT
HE WAS STRAIGHT
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00:17:42,601 --> 00:17:44,500
AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT
400
00:17:44,567 --> 00:17:45,734
AND HE WALKED OFF.
401
00:17:45,801 --> 00:17:49,400
AND HE SAID THAT'S WHEN HIM
AND RUSS WENT INTO THE BATHROOM
402
00:17:49,467 --> 00:17:51,467
AND DECIDED TO PRETEND
THAT THEY WERE GAY
403
00:17:51,534 --> 00:17:53,601
AND GET HIM IN THE TRUCK
AND ROB HIM.
404
00:17:53,667 --> 00:17:55,968
THEY WANTED
TO TEACH HIM A LESSON
405
00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:58,267
NOT TO COME ON
TO STRAIGHT PEOPLE.
406
00:17:58,334 --> 00:18:01,000
I'M NOT EXCUSING
THEIR ACTIONS,
407
00:18:01,067 --> 00:18:03,500
BUT IT SEEMS
TO BE PARTIALLY HIS FAULT
408
00:18:03,567 --> 00:18:05,934
AND PARTIALLY
THE GUYS WHO DID IT.
409
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,133
SO, YOU KNOW...
410
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,601
MAYBE IT'S 50/50.
411
00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:11,567
THEY STATED THAT MATT
CAME ON TO THEM.
412
00:18:11,634 --> 00:18:12,634
THAT HE APPROACHED THEM.
413
00:18:12,701 --> 00:18:15,300
I ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY
DISBELIEVE
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00:18:15,367 --> 00:18:17,534
AND REFUTE
THAT STATEMENT 100%.
415
00:18:17,601 --> 00:18:18,901
I'LL GIVE YOU
TWO REASONS WHY.
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00:18:18,968 --> 00:18:20,133
ONE...
CHARACTER REFERENCE.
417
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,601
WHY WOULD
HE APPROACH THEM ?
418
00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:22,968
WHY THEM ?
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00:18:23,033 --> 00:18:24,200
I MEAN, HE WASN'T APPROACHING
ANYONE ELSE IN THE BAR, OKAY ?
420
00:18:24,267 --> 00:18:27,033
SO, I MEAN, THEY SAY HE'S GAY,
THAT HE WAS A FLAMING GAY.
421
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,367
SO, HE WAS JUST
GONNA COME ON TO PEOPLE.
422
00:18:28,434 --> 00:18:30,033
BULLSHIT, HE NEVER
CAME ON TO ME.
423
00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,367
I MEAN,
HELLO, C'MON !
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00:18:31,434 --> 00:18:33,067
HE'S GONNA APPROACH
THESE TWO GUYS ? PLEASE.
425
00:18:33,133 --> 00:18:34,968
AND, TWO...
426
00:18:35,033 --> 00:18:36,067
TERRITORIALISM.
427
00:18:36,133 --> 00:18:37,634
MATT WAS
SITTING THERE.
428
00:18:37,701 --> 00:18:39,767
AARON AND RUSSELL
WERE BACK THERE.
429
00:18:39,834 --> 00:18:42,701
UPON THEIR FIRST INTERACTION,
THEY WERE IN MATT'S AREA.
430
00:18:42,767 --> 00:18:45,801
THE AREA THAT HE HAD BEEN SEEN
SITTING IN ALL NIGHT LONG.
431
00:18:45,868 --> 00:18:47,500
SO, WHO APPROACHED WHO
BY THAT ?
432
00:18:47,567 --> 00:18:51,267
HE'D NEVER NOT TALK
TO SOMEONE FOR ANY REASON.
433
00:18:51,334 --> 00:18:52,901
IF SOMEONE STARTED
TALKING TO HIM,
434
00:18:52,968 --> 00:18:55,167
HE'D JUST BE LIKE,
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
435
00:18:55,234 --> 00:18:57,701
HE HAD NO PROBLEM
436
00:18:57,767 --> 00:18:59,634
JUST STRIKING UP
A CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY.
437
00:18:59,701 --> 00:19:02,067
SO, THIS IS WHAT
I'M GONNA BE TESTIFYING TO
438
00:19:02,133 --> 00:19:04,868
'CAUSE BASICALLY I'M LIKE,
THE KEY EYEWITNESS IN THE CASE.
439
00:19:04,934 --> 00:19:06,767
BASICALLY, I'M GONNA
BE TESTIFYING
440
00:19:06,834 --> 00:19:08,567
THAT I SAW
MATTHEW LEAVE.
441
00:19:08,634 --> 00:19:11,567
I SAW TWO INDIVIDUALS
LEAVE WITH MATTHEW SHEPARD.
442
00:19:11,634 --> 00:19:12,834
AND I DIDN'T
SEE THEIR FACES,
443
00:19:12,901 --> 00:19:14,234
BUT I DID SEE
THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS.
444
00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:15,167
AND AT THE SAME TIME,
445
00:19:15,234 --> 00:19:16,767
McKINNEY AND HENDERSON
ARE NO LONGER AROUND.
446
00:19:16,834 --> 00:19:18,334
SO, YOU DO THE MATH.
447
00:20:05,234 --> 00:20:06,901
I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR
WITH THAT AREA
448
00:20:06,968 --> 00:20:11,234
WHICH NOW MAKES ME THINK
THAT GOD WANTED ME
449
00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:15,100
TO FIND HIM.
450
00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:17,567
I WAS GOING FOR A RIDE
ON MY BIKE
451
00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:20,000
AND I NOTICED SOMETHING...
452
00:20:20,067 --> 00:20:21,567
JUST LAYING THERE,
453
00:20:21,634 --> 00:20:23,133
BY THE FENCE.
454
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,033
NOW, I THINK
IT'S A SCARECROW.
455
00:20:28,734 --> 00:20:30,167
I'M LIKE,
HALLOWEEN'S COMING UP.
456
00:20:30,234 --> 00:20:31,801
I THINK IT'S A...
457
00:20:31,868 --> 00:20:33,334
HALLOWEEN GAG.
458
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,133
I NOTICED HIS CHEST
MOVING UP AND DOWN,
459
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,467
STILL THOUGHT
IT WAS A DUMMY.
460
00:20:40,534 --> 00:20:43,500
I THOUGHT IT WAS
SOME KIND OF MECHANISM.
461
00:20:45,367 --> 00:20:47,467
BUT WHEN I...
462
00:20:49,367 --> 00:20:51,400
WHEN I SAW HAIR...
463
00:20:52,968 --> 00:20:54,634
HIS HAIR...
464
00:20:57,067 --> 00:20:59,667
... I KNEW IT WAS
A HUMAN BEING.
465
00:21:01,734 --> 00:21:03,100
SO, WHAT'D YOU DO ?
466
00:21:03,167 --> 00:21:06,033
I RAN TO THE NEAREST HOUSE,
I RAN AS FAST AS I COULD,
467
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,834
AND CALLED THE POLICE.
468
00:21:09,701 --> 00:21:10,968
... County sheriff's department
held a news conference
469
00:21:11,033 --> 00:21:12,067
late this afternoon.
470
00:21:12,133 --> 00:21:14,734
They say they're investigating
the attempted murder
471
00:21:14,801 --> 00:21:16,801
of 22-year-old
Matthew Shepard.
472
00:21:16,868 --> 00:21:19,100
The sheriff said deputies
found the man badly beaten
473
00:21:19,167 --> 00:21:22,300
and unconscious,
tied to a fence last night...
474
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,000
( female on radio )
... brutal attack left
Matthew Shepard in a coma.
475
00:21:27,067 --> 00:21:31,033
( male on radio )
... said he first thought
Mr. Shepard was a scarecrow.
476
00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,601
... in jail now
charged with the crime,
477
00:21:32,667 --> 00:21:36,100
21-year-old Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney, kidnapping.
478
00:21:36,167 --> 00:21:39,300
And the victim, Matthew Shepard,
is in very critical condition
479
00:21:39,367 --> 00:21:42,334
at this hour at
Poudre Valley hospital.
480
00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:50,734
THE ARRAIGNMENT TOOK PLACE
ON FRIDAY AROUND LUNCHTIME.
481
00:21:50,801 --> 00:21:53,868
AND MORE DETAILS ABOUT
THE CASE HAD COME OUT
482
00:21:53,934 --> 00:21:56,033
LIKE THE FACT THAT
THE PERPETRATORS THEMSELVES
483
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,534
WERE KIDS.
484
00:21:57,601 --> 00:21:59,901
KIDS, LOCAL KIDS,
485
00:21:59,968 --> 00:22:01,300
THAT EVERYONE
WHO'S FROM AROUND HERE
486
00:22:01,367 --> 00:22:03,067
HAS SOME
RELATIONSHIP TO.
487
00:22:09,334 --> 00:22:11,734
SO, THEN A JUDGE COMES IN
AND DOES A READING OF THE FACTS.
488
00:22:11,801 --> 00:22:14,033
THE DEFENDANTS,
489
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,801
AARON JAMES McKINNEY,
490
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:17,868
RUSSELL ARTHUR HENDERSON,
491
00:22:17,934 --> 00:22:20,701
MET MATTHEW SHEPARD
AT THE FIRESIDE BAR.
492
00:22:20,767 --> 00:22:24,067
AND AFTER MR. SHEPARD
CONFIDED HE WAS GAY,
493
00:22:24,133 --> 00:22:25,801
THE SUBJECTS DECEIVED
MR. SHEPARD
494
00:22:25,868 --> 00:22:29,467
INTO LEAVING WITH THEM IN
THEIR VEHICLE TO A REMOTE AREA.
495
00:22:29,534 --> 00:22:33,000
ENROUTE TO SAID LOCATION,
496
00:22:33,067 --> 00:22:35,701
MR. SHEPARD WAS STRUCK
IN THE HEAD WITH A PISTOL.
497
00:22:35,767 --> 00:22:38,067
AND UPON ARRIVAL
AT SAID AREA,
498
00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:41,467
BOTH SUBJECTS TIED THEIR VICTIM
TO A BUCK FENCE,
499
00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:44,100
ROBBED HIM,
TORTURED HIM,
500
00:22:44,167 --> 00:22:46,968
AND CONTINUED TO BEAT
AND TERRORIZE HIM.
501
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:49,300
WHEN I GOT
TO THE FENCE,
502
00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:52,400
I SEEN WHAT APPEARED
TO BE A YOUNG MAN.
503
00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:55,601
13, 14, YEARS OF AGE
504
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,500
BECAUSE HE WAS
SO TINY LAYING THERE
505
00:22:57,567 --> 00:23:00,601
AND HE WAS BOUND
TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POLE.
506
00:23:00,667 --> 00:23:04,033
WHAT DID YOU DO ?
507
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,968
I DID THE BEST
I COULD.
508
00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:08,234
HE WAS COVERED IN DRY BLOOD
ALL OVER HIS HEAD
509
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,133
AND THE ONLY PLACE THAT
THERE WASN'T ANY BLOOD
510
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,634
WAS WHAT APPEARED TO BE
WHERE HE HAD BEEN CRYING
DOWN HIS FACE.
511
00:23:14,701 --> 00:23:17,200
YOU KNOW,
HE...
512
00:23:17,267 --> 00:23:19,534
HE DID NOT LOOK NORMAL.
513
00:23:19,601 --> 00:23:23,801
I COULD TELL THAT HE HAD
A VERY HARSH HEAD WOUND.
514
00:23:23,868 --> 00:23:25,901
YOU EXPECT THESE
KINDS OF INJURIES
515
00:23:25,968 --> 00:23:28,100
FROM SOMEBODY
CRASHING DOWN A HILL
516
00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:29,534
IN A CAR AT
80 MILES AN HOUR.
517
00:23:29,601 --> 00:23:33,133
YOU EXPECT TO SEE GROSS INJURIES
FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
518
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,334
THIS IS A HORRENDOUS,
TERRIBLE THING.
519
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,400
BUT YOU DON'T EXPECT
TO SEE SOMEONE DOING THIS
520
00:23:38,467 --> 00:23:40,000
TO ANOTHER PERSON.
521
00:23:40,067 --> 00:23:42,801
BOTH DEFENDANTS WERE LATER
CONTACTED BY OFFICERS
522
00:23:42,868 --> 00:23:44,601
FROM THE LARAMIE
POLICE DEPARTMENT
523
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,801
WHO OBSERVED INSIDE
THE CAB OF THEIR PICK-UP
524
00:23:46,868 --> 00:23:48,234
A CREDIT CARD
525
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:49,901
AND A PAIR OF
BLACK PATENT-LEATHER SHOES
526
00:23:49,968 --> 00:23:52,567
BELONGING TO THE VICTIM,
MATTHEW SHEPARD.
527
00:23:52,634 --> 00:23:53,868
THE THING THAT
SHOCKED ME IS...
528
00:23:53,934 --> 00:23:56,100
IT WAS A PRISTINE
CRIME SCENE.
529
00:23:56,167 --> 00:23:57,734
HOW DO YOU MEAN ?
530
00:23:57,801 --> 00:23:59,434
THE TIRE TRACKS,
531
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,100
THE IMPRESSIONS THAT
THE TIRE MADE.
532
00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:03,868
THEY WERE JUST PERFECT
BECAUSE OF THE SANDY SOIL THERE.
533
00:24:03,934 --> 00:24:05,200
AND WE FOUND
A CARPET FRAGMENT
534
00:24:05,267 --> 00:24:06,701
FROM INSIDE THE TRUCK
535
00:24:06,767 --> 00:24:09,033
AND THAT WILL ALWAYS SHOCK ME
UNTIL THIS DAY.
536
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,234
SOUTHEAST FROM WYOMING,
THE WIND HERE IS SO STRONG
537
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,067
THAT YOU USUALLY NEVER
FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT
538
00:24:13,133 --> 00:24:15,434
IN AN EXTERIOR
CRIME SCENE.
539
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,634
HIS HANDS WERE...
540
00:24:18,701 --> 00:24:20,734
THUMBS OUT, WHAT WE CALL
THE CUFFING POSITION.
541
00:24:20,801 --> 00:24:21,734
IT'S HOW
WE HANDCUFF PEOPLE.
542
00:24:21,801 --> 00:24:24,801
HE WAS TIED WITH
A REAL THIN, WHITE ROPE.
543
00:24:24,868 --> 00:24:27,701
AND IT WAS WOUND AROUND
THE BOTTOM OF THE POLE
544
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:31,000
ABOUT FOUR INCHES
UP OFF THE GROUND.
545
00:24:32,234 --> 00:24:33,834
HIS SHOES
WERE MISSING.
546
00:24:33,901 --> 00:24:36,634
HE WAS TIED
EXTREMELY TIGHT,
547
00:24:36,701 --> 00:24:39,033
SO, I USED MY BOOT KNIFE
AND I TRIED TO SLIP IT IN THERE
548
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,934
BETWEEN THE ROPE
AND HIS WRIST.
549
00:24:42,634 --> 00:24:44,534
I HAD TO BE
EXTREMELY CAREFUL
550
00:24:44,601 --> 00:24:47,901
SO AS NOT TO HARM
MATTHEW ANY FURTHER.
551
00:24:48,801 --> 00:24:50,534
I WAS YELLG AT HIM
AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS,
552
00:24:50,601 --> 00:24:52,100
"HEY, WAKE UP !"
553
00:24:52,167 --> 00:24:53,334
SOMETHING.
554
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,267
JUST TRYING TO GET
ANYTHING OUT OF HIM.
555
00:24:54,334 --> 00:24:56,934
HE DIDN'T MOVE,
HE DIDN'T FLINCH,
556
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,067
HE DIDN'T ANYTHING.
557
00:24:58,133 --> 00:25:00,467
WE ROLLED HIM OVER
ONTO HIS LEFT SIDE
558
00:25:00,534 --> 00:25:02,934
AND WHEN WE DID THAT,
HE STOPPED BREATHING.
559
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,100
SO, I IMMEDIATELY
GOT HIM BACK ON HIS BACK.
560
00:25:05,167 --> 00:25:08,067
AND THAT WAS JUST
ENOUGH OF AN ADJUSTMENT.
561
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:11,868
IT GAVE ME JUST ENOUGH ROOM
FOR ME TO SLIP MY KNIFE IN THERE
562
00:25:11,934 --> 00:25:13,500
AND TO CUT HIM FREE.
563
00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:16,067
AND THEN ROB
DROVE THE AMBULANCE
564
00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:19,133
TO IVINSON HOSPITAL'S
EMERGENCY ROOM.
565
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,334
ONCE WE SAW MATTHEW,
566
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,200
IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS
THAT HIS CARE
567
00:25:22,267 --> 00:25:24,000
WAS BEYOND
OUR CAPABILITIES.
568
00:25:24,067 --> 00:25:27,400
PHONED THE NEUROSURGEON
OVER AT POUDRE VALLEY...
569
00:25:28,467 --> 00:25:31,100
AND MATTHEW
WAS ON HIS WAY
570
00:25:31,167 --> 00:25:33,734
IN AN HOUR
AND 15 MINUTES I THINK.
571
00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:38,100
A COUPLE DAYS LATER,
THEY SHOWED ME
A PICTURE OF MATTHEW.
572
00:25:39,734 --> 00:25:42,734
I WOULD'VE NEVER
RECOGNIZED HIM.
573
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,300
SAID DEFENDANTS
LEFT THE VICTIM
574
00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:49,234
TIED TO THE FENCE
575
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,434
BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE.
576
00:25:55,701 --> 00:25:57,467
CERTAINLY YOU'D LIKE TO THINK
THAT THIS IS SOMEBODY
577
00:25:57,534 --> 00:25:59,968
FROM OUT OF TOWN WHO'S COME
THROUGH AND BEATEN UP SOMEBODY.
578
00:26:00,033 --> 00:26:03,500
BUT WHEN YOU'RE SEEING SOMEONE
WHO'S BEEN BEATEN...
579
00:26:03,567 --> 00:26:07,267
REPEATEDLY BY SOMEONE
IN OUR OWN TOWN...
580
00:26:07,334 --> 00:26:10,334
NOW, THAT CERTAINLY
OFFENDS US.
581
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,067
AND THAT'S A GOOD WORD
582
00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:14,567
IT OFFENDS US.
583
00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:16,934
THE DEFENDANTS WILL
REMAIN IN THE CUSTODY
584
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,968
OF THE ALBANY COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
585
00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:22,000
UNTIL DATES CAN BE SET
FOR THEIR TRIALS.
586
00:26:43,734 --> 00:26:45,167
IT WAS HUGE.
587
00:26:45,234 --> 00:26:46,167
YEAH, IT WAS HERDS.
588
00:26:46,234 --> 00:26:47,868
AND WE ARE TALKING
HUNDREDS OF REPORTERS
589
00:26:47,934 --> 00:26:50,367
WHICH MAKES A HUGE DENT
IN THIS TOWN'S POPULATION.
590
00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:51,367
Laramie, Wyoming,
591
00:26:51,434 --> 00:26:53,601
often called
"The Gem City of the Plains",
592
00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,033
is now at the
eye of the storm.
593
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,634
People would like
to think that
594
00:26:56,701 --> 00:26:58,601
what happened to Matthew Shepard
is the exception...
595
00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:00,300
THERE WERE
REPORTERS EVERYWHERE,
596
00:27:00,367 --> 00:27:01,767
NEWS TRUCKS
EVERYWHERE IN TOWN,
597
00:27:01,834 --> 00:27:03,200
EVERYWHERE ON CAMPUS.
598
00:27:03,267 --> 00:27:05,734
AND WE ARE NOT USED TO
THAT TYPE OF ATTENTION.
599
00:27:05,801 --> 00:27:07,567
Aaron McKinney and his friend,
Russell Henderson,
600
00:27:07,634 --> 00:27:09,567
came from the poor
side of town.
601
00:27:09,634 --> 00:27:12,500
This small city that builds
itself as Wyoming's hometown
602
00:27:12,567 --> 00:27:15,334
is wrestling with
its attitudes towards gay men.
603
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,467
It's a tough business
Matt Shepard knew,
604
00:27:17,534 --> 00:27:21,500
and as all his friends know,
to be gay in cowboy country.
605
00:27:21,567 --> 00:27:24,701
AND TO GET THAT KIND OF EXPOSURE
UNDER SUCH TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES,
606
00:27:24,767 --> 00:27:27,133
UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES
THAT WE HADN'T EVEN
607
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000
WRAPPED OUR OWN HEADS
AND HEARTS AROUND.
608
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,200
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
HERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
609
00:27:34,267 --> 00:27:35,234
YOU GET BAD APPLES
ONCE IN A WHILE.
610
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,467
OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT
LIKE THAT AT ALL.
611
00:27:37,534 --> 00:27:39,834
YOU PEOPLE ARE
MAKING MY SON GUILTY
612
00:27:39,901 --> 00:27:41,267
BEFORE HE'S EVEN
HAD A TRIAL.
613
00:27:41,334 --> 00:27:42,467
HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN ?
614
00:27:42,534 --> 00:27:45,934
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE
CAN EVEN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
615
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,467
YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LIFESTYLE,
YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR LIFESTYLE.
616
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,634
IT'S PRETTY MUCH
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
617
00:27:50,701 --> 00:27:51,801
IT'S LIVE AND LET LIVE.
618
00:27:51,868 --> 00:27:53,701
I AM OUTRAGED
AND SICKENED
619
00:27:53,767 --> 00:27:56,167
BY THE HEINOUS CRIME
COMMITTED ON MATTHEW SHEPARD.
620
00:27:56,234 --> 00:27:58,400
The young gay man
is in a deep coma.
621
00:27:58,467 --> 00:28:00,667
It's a crime that
goes beyond despicable.
622
00:28:00,734 --> 00:28:02,434
JUST LET IT BE KNOWN
THROUGHOUT THE NATION,
623
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,234
THIS IS NOT
THE UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING.
624
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:05,667
THIS IS NOT
WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.
625
00:28:05,734 --> 00:28:06,868
HAD THIS BEEN
A HETEROSEXUAL,
626
00:28:06,934 --> 00:28:08,667
THIS NEVER WOULD'VE
MADE THE NATIONAL NEWS.
627
00:28:08,734 --> 00:28:10,067
I DON'T THINK
THERE'S ANY PROBLEM
628
00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:11,601
THAT GAY PEOPLE
DEAL WITH HERE.
629
00:28:11,667 --> 00:28:14,267
WE HAD THESE GUYS IN JAIL
IN LESS THAN A DAY.
630
00:28:14,334 --> 00:28:15,567
I THINK THAT'S
PRETTY DAMN GOOD.
631
00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:17,901
( female )
Hundreds of people
are urging Congress
632
00:28:17,968 --> 00:28:19,234
to pass a federal law...
633
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,167
I would like to urge
the people of Wyoming
634
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:24,467
against overreacting
in a way that
635
00:28:24,534 --> 00:28:26,534
gives one group
special rights over others.
636
00:28:26,601 --> 00:28:28,901
We will wait and see if
the vicious beating and torture
637
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:32,667
of Matthew Shepard
was motivated by hate.
638
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:37,734
OH, MY GOD.
639
00:28:39,968 --> 00:28:42,367
ANYBODY ELSE
WANT TO DO THIS ?
640
00:28:52,567 --> 00:28:56,234
MATTHEW SHEPARD WAS ADMITTED
IN CRITICAL CONDITION
641
00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:00,400
AT APPROXIMATELY 9:15
ON OCTOBER 7.
642
00:29:00,467 --> 00:29:04,000
When he arrived
he was unresponsive
643
00:29:04,067 --> 00:29:06,834
and breathing support
was being provided.
644
00:29:06,901 --> 00:29:10,567
Matthew's major injuries
upon arrival consisted of
645
00:29:10,634 --> 00:29:14,400
hypothermia and of a fracture
from behind his head,
646
00:29:14,467 --> 00:29:17,901
to just in front
of the right ear.
647
00:29:17,968 --> 00:29:21,701
THIS HAS CAUSED
BLEEDING IN THE BRAIN
648
00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:24,500
AS WELL AS PRESSURE
ON THE BRAIN.
649
00:29:24,567 --> 00:29:26,534
FRIDAY NIGHT,
THE PARENTS ARRIVED
650
00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:29,701
AND I WENT UP
AND INTRODUCED MYSELF
TO DENNIS AND JUDY
651
00:29:29,767 --> 00:29:33,567
AND IT WAS AWFUL,
THOSE POOR PEOPLE.
652
00:29:33,634 --> 00:29:36,434
MATTHEW'S TEMPERATURE
HAS FLUCTUATED
653
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,767
OVER THE LAST 24 HOURS
654
00:29:38,834 --> 00:29:42,200
BETWEEN 98
AND 106 DEGREES.
655
00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:44,467
WE ARRANGED A POLICE ESCORT
TO BRING THEM UP.
656
00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:47,400
SET THEM UP IN ONE OF
OUR CONFERENCE ROOMS,
657
00:29:47,467 --> 00:29:50,133
GAVE THEM FOOD AROUND THE CLOCK,
GAVE THEM A PLACE TO STAY.
658
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,434
THE FOLLOWING IS
A STATEMENT FROM THEM.
659
00:29:53,934 --> 00:29:56,200
"First of all, we want to thank
the American public
660
00:29:56,267 --> 00:29:59,167
"for their kind thoughts
about Matthew
661
00:29:59,234 --> 00:30:01,734
"and their fond wishes
for his speedy recovery.
662
00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:04,868
"We appreciate your prayers
and goodwill
663
00:30:04,934 --> 00:30:06,067
"and we know that
664
00:30:06,133 --> 00:30:10,100
they are something that
Matthew would appreciate too."
665
00:30:10,167 --> 00:30:12,234
I WENT UP AND SAID...
666
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,868
YOU ALL TELL ME
WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO
667
00:30:15,934 --> 00:30:18,934
OR WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY
OR ANYTHING YOU NEED
668
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,033
AND WE'LL PROVIDE IT
FOR YOU.
669
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,434
"We also have a special request
for members of the media.
670
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,701
"We ask that you respect our
privacy as well as Matthew's,
671
00:30:28,767 --> 00:30:31,133
"so, we can concentrate
all of our efforts,
672
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,000
"thoughts, and love
on our son.
673
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:38,000
Thank you very much."
674
00:30:40,067 --> 00:30:41,968
( male reporter )
Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney
675
00:30:42,033 --> 00:30:43,934
have plead not guilty
to the charges
676
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,801
of kidnapping,
aggravated robbery,
677
00:30:45,868 --> 00:30:48,200
and attempted murder
in the first degree.
678
00:30:48,267 --> 00:30:50,133
RUSSELL WAS
JUST SO SWEET.
679
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,267
HE'S THE ONE THAT WAS
THE EAGLE SCOUT.
680
00:30:52,334 --> 00:30:54,634
HIS WHOLE PRESENCE
WAS JUST
681
00:30:54,701 --> 00:30:56,100
QUIET AND SWEET.
682
00:30:56,167 --> 00:30:57,701
HE WAS RAISED A MORMAN.
683
00:30:57,767 --> 00:30:59,167
HE WAS REAL ACTIVE IN THAT
WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER.
684
00:30:59,234 --> 00:31:00,634
HE WAS AN ELDER
IN THE CHURCH.
685
00:31:00,701 --> 00:31:02,234
SO, OF COURSE, IT DOESN'T
MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
686
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:03,934
I KNOW PEOPLE SNAP
AND WHATEVER.
687
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,868
LIKE I SAID, IT WASN'T
A REAL INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP.
688
00:31:06,934 --> 00:31:08,634
I WAS JUST
HIS LANDLORD.
689
00:31:08,701 --> 00:31:10,500
I REMEMBER LIKE,
AT THE CHRISTMAS PARTY
690
00:31:10,567 --> 00:31:12,701
HE WAS JUST TOTALLY DRUNK
OUT OF HIS MIND,
691
00:31:12,767 --> 00:31:14,100
YOU KNOW,
LIKE, WE ALL WERE.
692
00:31:14,167 --> 00:31:16,567
BUT HE WASN'T BELLIGERENT.
693
00:31:16,634 --> 00:31:19,100
HE DIDN'T CHANGE,
HIS PERSONALITY DIDN'T CHANGE.
694
00:31:19,167 --> 00:31:20,834
HE WAS STILL THE SAME
LITTLE MEEK...
695
00:31:20,901 --> 00:31:22,267
RUSSELL.
696
00:31:22,334 --> 00:31:23,834
AARON WAS A GOOD KID.
697
00:31:23,901 --> 00:31:26,067
THAT'S WHY I WAS SHOCKED
WHEN I HEARD THIS.
698
00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:27,901
SEE, HE HAD BEEN
LIVING WITH THIS GIRL.
699
00:31:27,968 --> 00:31:29,734
THEY JUST STARTED
DATING LAST SUMMER.
700
00:31:29,801 --> 00:31:31,801
SHE MUST'VE GOTTEN PREGNANT
AS SOON AS THEY STARTED DATING
701
00:31:31,868 --> 00:31:33,801
'CAUSE YOU KNOW
THEY HAD A KID ?
702
00:31:33,868 --> 00:31:36,133
21 YEARS OLD, BUT
HE'S RUNNING AROUND WITH A KID.
703
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,033
WHEN I FIRST
HEARD ABOUT,
704
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,968
I THOUGHT IT WAS
REALLY, REALLY AWFUL.
705
00:31:40,033 --> 00:31:41,000
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER
AARON WAS FUCKED UP
706
00:31:41,067 --> 00:31:42,968
OR WAS COMING DOWN
OR WHAT.
707
00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:44,334
BUT MATTHEW HAD MONEY.
708
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,567
SHIT, HE HAD BETTER
CLOTHES THAN I DID.
709
00:31:46,634 --> 00:31:48,300
MATTHEW WAS A LITTLE
RICH BITCH.
710
00:31:48,367 --> 00:31:51,400
SHOULDN'T CALL HIM A RICH BITCH,
THOUGH, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
711
00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:53,100
I'M NOT SAYING
HE WAS A BAD GUY EITHER,
712
00:31:53,167 --> 00:31:54,334
I'M JUST SAYING
HE WAS AT THE WRONG PLACE
713
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,234
AT THE WRONG TIME,
SAID THE WRONG THINGS.
714
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,634
AARON WAS ALWAYS
DRESSING UP BIG.
715
00:31:58,701 --> 00:32:00,234
BIG CLOTHES.
716
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,801
TOMMY HILFIGER.
717
00:32:02,868 --> 00:32:05,567
POLO, GUCCI,
I DON'T KNOW.
718
00:32:05,634 --> 00:32:08,701
I MEAN, IT PROBABLY
PISSED HIM OFF
THAT MATTHEW WAS GAY
719
00:32:08,767 --> 00:32:10,300
'CAUSE
HE DIDN'T LIKE--
720
00:32:10,367 --> 00:32:13,734
I MEAN, THE GAY PEOPLE THAT
I'VE SEEN HIM INTERACT WITH
721
00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:15,534
OR THAT I'VE HEARD
HIM TALK ABOUT,
722
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:16,868
HE WAS FINE WITH
723
00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:19,133
AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW,
THEY DIDN'T HIT ON HIM.
724
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,801
OR AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW,
IT DIDN'T COME UP.
725
00:32:24,834 --> 00:32:26,234
WHEN I KNEW HIM,
WHEN I KNEW AARON,
726
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,200
HE WAS JUST
A YOUNG KID.
727
00:32:27,267 --> 00:32:29,601
HE'S TRYING TO FIT IN
ACTING TOUGH, ACTING COOL.
728
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:30,367
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ?
729
00:32:30,434 --> 00:32:32,334
YOU CAN GET IN HIS FACE
ABOUT IT...
730
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,234
HE'D BACK DOWN LIKE
HE'S SOME KIND OF SCARED KID.
731
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:37,267
IF I SAW AARON
RIGHT NOW,
732
00:32:37,334 --> 00:32:41,000
I'D BE LIKE,
WHY'D YOU FUCK UP LIKE THAT ?
733
00:32:41,067 --> 00:32:43,033
I WANT TO SHAKE HIM,
YOU KNOW ?
734
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:44,934
WHAT WERE
YOU THINKING ?!
735
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,500
WHAT IN THE HELL
WERE YOU THINKING ?
736
00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:50,734
( phone )
737
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,367
HELLO ?
738
00:32:55,434 --> 00:32:56,767
THIS IS HER.
739
00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:58,868
OH, HI, DOCTOR.
740
00:33:00,067 --> 00:33:01,234
HOW IS HE ?
741
00:33:05,267 --> 00:33:06,767
YES.
742
00:33:08,667 --> 00:33:10,100
I SEE.
743
00:33:10,167 --> 00:33:12,801
CAN YOU HANG ON
FOR A MOMENT ?
744
00:33:12,868 --> 00:33:16,534
MOM, CAN YOU HANG THIS UP,
I'M GONNA TAKE IT IN THERE.
745
00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:22,100
I'M HERE.
746
00:33:24,834 --> 00:33:27,200
THE PART I WASN'T
TELLING YOU ABOUT BEFORE.
747
00:33:27,267 --> 00:33:30,467
IS THAT REGGIE FLUTY
IS MY DAUGHTER.
748
00:33:30,534 --> 00:33:34,267
WHEN SHE TOLD ME SHE WANTED
TO BE A POLICE OFFICER,
749
00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:37,133
I THOUGHT THERE WAS
NOT A BETTER CHOICE FOR HER.
750
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,634
SHE COULD HANDLE
WHATEVER CAME HER WAY.
751
00:33:39,701 --> 00:33:43,934
AND THEN THIS HAPPENS.
752
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,100
THAT WAS THE HOSPITAL.
753
00:33:54,934 --> 00:33:57,868
MATTHEW SHEPARD
IS HIV POSITIVE
754
00:33:57,934 --> 00:34:01,801
AND THEY SAID
I'VE BEEN EXPOSED.
755
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,534
WHAT ?
756
00:34:08,434 --> 00:34:11,634
THEY SAID I'VE BEEN
EXPOSED TO THE AIDS VIRUS.
757
00:34:13,133 --> 00:34:14,234
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
I'VE BEEN BUILDING
758
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,534
THE LEAN-TOs
FOR THE LLAMAS
759
00:34:16,601 --> 00:34:20,734
AND I HAVE A BUNCH OF
OPEN CUTS ON MY HANDS AND I...
760
00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:25,000
I GOT HIS BLOOD
ON MY HANDS.
761
00:34:25,067 --> 00:34:27,434
HOW DID YOU GET IT
ON YOUR HANDS ?
762
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,934
WE HAVE SHIT GLOVES,
YOU KNOW ?
763
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,167
AND I KEPT PUTTING THEM ON
AND YOU KEEP PUTTING THEM ON
764
00:34:33,234 --> 00:34:34,634
AND THEY KEEP
BREAKING, SO...
765
00:34:34,701 --> 00:34:38,500
SO, FINALLY I RAN OUT.
766
00:34:39,567 --> 00:34:42,200
SO, YOU TOUCHED HIM
WITHOUT GLOVES ?
767
00:34:43,467 --> 00:34:46,067
YOU CANNOT LET A HUMAN BEING
JUST SIT THERE.
768
00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:47,400
REGGIE !
769
00:34:47,467 --> 00:34:48,300
DON'T HESITATE.
770
00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:49,767
THAT'S WHAT GOES
THROUGH YOUR MIND.
771
00:34:49,834 --> 00:34:51,767
DON'T HESITATE,
ALL THE TIME.
772
00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:55,500
SO, YOU JUST KEEP ON MOVING
AND YOU TAKE CARE OF MATTHEW
773
00:34:55,567 --> 00:34:57,701
AND YOU TRY
TO FIND AN OPEN AIRWAY.
774
00:34:57,767 --> 00:34:58,868
AND THAT'S
WHAT YOU DO.
775
00:34:58,934 --> 00:35:00,434
YOU KNOW,
THAT'S WHAT YOU DO !
776
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:04,868
QUITE FRANKLY, I WANTED
TO LASH OUT AT SOMEBODY.
777
00:35:06,334 --> 00:35:08,167
NOT MATTHEW,
PLEASE UNDERSTAND
778
00:35:08,234 --> 00:35:10,634
THAT NOT ONE OF US
WAS MAD AT MATTHEW.
779
00:35:10,701 --> 00:35:14,133
WE MAYBE WANTED TO SQUEEZE
McKINNEY'S HEAD OFF.
780
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,601
AND I THINK
ABOUT HENDERSON.
781
00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:19,667
YOU KNOW,
TWO ABSOLUTELY...
782
00:35:19,734 --> 00:35:25,234
HUMAN BEINGS CAUSED SO MUCH
GRIEF FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.
783
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:29,334
THEY WANT TO START ME ON
THESE ATZ DRUGS IMMEDIATELY
784
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,968
AND IF YOU...
785
00:35:31,033 --> 00:35:34,200
IF YOU START THEM
WITHIN 36 HOURS,
786
00:35:34,267 --> 00:35:37,834
MAYBE THAT CAN STOP YOU
FROM GETTING THE DISEASE.
787
00:35:39,601 --> 00:35:42,133
THIS HAS BEEN JUST TERRIBLE
FOR MY WHOLE FAMILY,
788
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,267
BUT MOSTLY FOR HER
AND HER KIDS.
789
00:35:44,334 --> 00:35:45,667
THOSE DRUGS,
790
00:35:45,734 --> 00:35:47,901
THE AZT DRUGS.
791
00:35:47,968 --> 00:35:50,400
SHE THROWS UP
EVERY DAY.
792
00:35:50,467 --> 00:35:54,200
SHE CRIES SO MUCH,
SHE'S AFRAID TO TOUCH HER KIDS.
793
00:35:56,033 --> 00:35:58,500
I JUST HOPE SHE DOESN'T
GO BEFORE ME.
794
00:36:22,567 --> 00:36:25,000
NO MATTER HOW YOU DICE IT,
I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
795
00:36:25,067 --> 00:36:29,100
IF I HAD HAD AMAZING
20/20 HINDSIGHT,
796
00:36:29,167 --> 00:36:30,701
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
TO STOP
797
00:36:30,767 --> 00:36:33,033
WHAT OCCURRED THAT NIGHT.
798
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,901
I COULD'VE STOPPED IT.
799
00:36:34,968 --> 00:36:36,000
I SHOULD'VE KNOWN.
800
00:36:36,067 --> 00:36:38,334
THESE GUYS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
TALKING TO THAT GUY.
801
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,434
I SHOULD'VE NOT HAD MY HEAD DOWN
WHILE I WAS WASHING DISHES
802
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,000
FOR THOSE 20 SECONDS.
803
00:36:42,067 --> 00:36:43,334
ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS
I COULD'VE DONE
804
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,300
AND I COULD'VE
STOPPED THIS.
805
00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:48,901
SO, WHAT THE HELL
WAS I THINKING ?
806
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,467
I KEEP SEEING THAT
PICTURE IN MY HEAD
807
00:36:55,534 --> 00:36:57,167
OF WHEN I FOUND HIM.
808
00:36:57,234 --> 00:37:00,300
AND IT IS NOT
PLEASANT WHATSOEVER.
809
00:37:00,367 --> 00:37:02,667
I WANT TO LIKE,
GET IT OUT.
810
00:37:02,734 --> 00:37:05,200
I DON'T WANT IT
IN THERE.
811
00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:08,100
AND THAT'S A BIG
PART OF IT FOR ME,
812
00:37:08,167 --> 00:37:10,634
IS HAVING
TO SEE THAT PICTURE...
813
00:37:11,267 --> 00:37:12,834
IN MY HEAD.
814
00:37:12,901 --> 00:37:15,767
I JUST, I DON'T
WANT IT IN THERE.
815
00:37:17,868 --> 00:37:21,767
MATTHEW SHEPARD'S THE FIRST
GAY PERSON I EVER SAW.
816
00:37:22,834 --> 00:37:24,267
IT'S KIND OF
UNBELIEVABLE TO ME
817
00:37:24,334 --> 00:37:26,467
THAT I HAPPENED TO BE
THE PERSON THAT FOUND HIM.
818
00:37:26,534 --> 00:37:30,367
BECAUSE LIKE, THE BIG QUESTION
WITH MY RELIGION IS...
819
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:34,567
... WHY DID GOD
WANT ME TO FIND HIM ?
820
00:37:39,868 --> 00:37:42,734
โช IN THE DARKNESS โช
821
00:37:42,801 --> 00:37:46,767
โช BEFORE THE DAWN โช
822
00:37:46,834 --> 00:37:51,834
โช NO MORE SORROW โช
823
00:37:51,901 --> 00:37:56,734
โช IN THE NIGHTTIME โช
824
00:37:56,801 --> 00:37:59,868
โช LET IT SHINE โช
825
00:37:59,934 --> 00:38:03,868
โช OH, LORD,
LET IT SHINE โช
826
00:38:03,934 --> 00:38:06,734
( montage of reporters )
CANDLELIGHT VIGILS WERE HELD
AROUND THE COUNTRY LAST NIGHT...
827
00:38:06,801 --> 00:38:09,067
THERE ARE EXPRESSIONS
OF SYMPATHY...
828
00:38:09,133 --> 00:38:12,601
... DENVER, DETROIT,
CHICAGO, WASHINGTON...
829
00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:16,767
ATLANTA, NASHVILLE, MINNEAPOLIS,
AND AROUND THE WORLD.
830
00:38:16,834 --> 00:38:19,868
... ALL EXPRESSING HOPES
FOR MATTHEW'S RECOVERY.
831
00:38:19,934 --> 00:38:21,367
I CAN'T
STOP CRYING.
832
00:38:21,434 --> 00:38:24,334
THIS IS WHAT
I WAS TRYING TO STOP.
833
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,167
WE MUST DO MORE
834
00:38:27,234 --> 00:38:28,667
TO DEAL
835
00:38:28,734 --> 00:38:30,667
WITH VIOLENT BIGOTRY,
836
00:38:30,734 --> 00:38:32,667
HATE CRIMES...
837
00:38:32,734 --> 00:38:34,667
I hope that in
the grief of this moment
838
00:38:34,734 --> 00:38:36,434
and in the shared outrage
across America,
839
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,801
Americans will once again
search their hearts
840
00:38:39,868 --> 00:38:44,400
and do what they can to reduce
their own fear and anxiety
841
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:47,901
and anger at people
who are different.
842
00:38:47,968 --> 00:38:50,767
And I hope that
Congress will pass
843
00:38:50,834 --> 00:38:53,467
the Hate-Crimes
legislation.
844
00:38:53,534 --> 00:39:00,400
โช LET IT SHINE... โช
845
00:39:03,701 --> 00:39:05,767
( church bells ringing )
846
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,033
I THINK THE GAY COMMUNITY
IS TAKING THIS AS AN ADVANTAGE,
847
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,500
SAID, "THIS IS A GOOD TIME
FOR US TO EXPLOIT THIS".
848
00:39:14,567 --> 00:39:17,868
THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS
10 MURDERS INSTEAD OF ONE.
849
00:39:17,934 --> 00:39:19,500
THEY'RE ACCUSING
THE RANCHERS
850
00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:21,801
OF BEING UNREASONABLE
AND UNSYMPATHETIC.
851
00:39:21,868 --> 00:39:22,968
BECAUSE OF HOW HE WAS...
852
00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:25,100
( female )
AND WHAT HIS
PERSUASIONS WERE.
853
00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:27,901
WELL, HE WOULD CERTAINLY
BE WELCOME IN OUR HOME.
854
00:39:27,968 --> 00:39:31,601
WE'D VISIT, SIT DOWN,
HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE.
855
00:39:31,667 --> 00:39:34,100
WHAT DID YOU THINK
WHEN YOU HEARD THAT
856
00:39:34,167 --> 00:39:35,534
TWO BOYS FROM YOUR TOWN
DID THIS ?
857
00:39:35,601 --> 00:39:38,634
WELL, I CERTAINLY DON'T
APPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALS,
858
00:39:38,701 --> 00:39:40,801
BUT I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY HAS A RIGHT
859
00:39:40,868 --> 00:39:42,701
TO DO WHAT
THOSE TWO BOYS DID.
860
00:39:42,767 --> 00:39:44,300
WELL, WHERE DO YOU THINK
THAT COMES FROM ?
861
00:39:44,367 --> 00:39:45,934
THEIR HATRED
TOWARDS HOMOSEXUALS ?
862
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,234
I THINK...
863
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,267
WHAT MOST PEOPLE FEAR
IN THE GAY COMMUNITY
864
00:39:50,334 --> 00:39:54,267
IS THAT SEXUALITY IS
THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
865
00:39:54,334 --> 00:39:55,434
NOT MANY PEOPLE
CONDONE IT--
866
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,701
WHEN YOU WEAR IT
ON YOUR SLEEVE LIKE A BANNER.
867
00:39:57,767 --> 00:39:59,500
WELL, THERE'S
THIS WHOLE IDEA,
868
00:39:59,567 --> 00:40:02,300
"YOU LEAVE ME ALONE,
I LEAVE YOU ALONE."
869
00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:03,834
IT'S EVEN IN SOME OF
THE WESTERN LITERATURE.
870
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,500
"LIVE AND LET LIVE."
871
00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:08,067
THAT IS SUCH CRAP.
872
00:40:08,133 --> 00:40:10,667
BASICALLY WHAT
IT BOILS DOWN TO,
873
00:40:10,734 --> 00:40:12,267
IF I DON'T TELL YOU
I'M A FAG,
874
00:40:12,334 --> 00:40:14,234
YOU WON'T
BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME.
875
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,567
WHAT'S SO GREAT
ABOUT THAT ?
876
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:19,634
THAT'S A GREAT
PHILOSOPHY ?
877
00:40:19,701 --> 00:40:21,167
I'LL SIT IN CHURCH,
878
00:40:21,234 --> 00:40:23,133
AND THE REVEREND
WILL TELL YOU FLAT OUT
879
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,234
HE DOES NOT AGREE
WITH HOMOSEXUALITY, RIGHT ?
880
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,100
AND I JUST DON'T
FEEL LIKE I KNOW ENOUGH
ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS
881
00:40:28,167 --> 00:40:30,400
JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT
HOMOSEXUALITY IS RIGHT.
882
00:40:30,467 --> 00:40:32,667
WHEN I'VE BEEN
RAISED MY WHOLE LIFE
883
00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:34,467
THAT HOMOSEXUALITY
IS NOT RIGHT, IT'S WRONG.
884
00:40:34,534 --> 00:40:37,067
MY PARENTS BROUGHT
ME UP CATHOLIC.
885
00:40:37,133 --> 00:40:41,067
I WAS BROUGHT UP TO
LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN.
886
00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,167
LOVE THE PERSON
FOR WHO THEY ARE,
887
00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:44,567
BUT CONDEMN THEM
888
00:40:44,634 --> 00:40:47,000
FOR WHAT THEY DO,
CONDEMN THE LIFESTYLE.
889
00:40:47,067 --> 00:40:49,167
SO, I WOULD
HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW
THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH IT,
890
00:40:49,234 --> 00:40:50,534
I DON'T AGREE.
891
00:40:50,601 --> 00:40:52,667
AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST
'CAUSE I COULDN'T DO IT.
892
00:40:52,734 --> 00:40:54,634
BUT I DON'T
HATE HOMOSEXUALS
893
00:40:54,701 --> 00:40:56,000
AND I'M NOT GONNA
PERSECUTE THEM.
894
00:40:56,067 --> 00:40:57,567
I'M NOT GONNA LET THIS
GET IN BETWEEN
895
00:40:57,634 --> 00:40:59,000
ME AND THE OTHER PERSON
AT ALL.
896
00:40:59,067 --> 00:41:00,434
YOU KNOW, OR
IN BETWEEN YOU AND I.
897
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,133
YOU KNOW,
NOT AT ALL.
898
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,234
WELL, IT'S PREACHED IN SCHOOLS
THAT BEING GAY IS OKAY.
899
00:41:07,734 --> 00:41:09,567
IF MY KIDS ASKED ME,
I'D SET THEM DOWN
900
00:41:09,634 --> 00:41:10,734
AND I'D TELL THEM,
901
00:41:10,801 --> 00:41:12,601
THIS IS WHAT
GAY PEOPLE DO.
902
00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:15,200
THIS IS WHAT
ANIMALS DO, OKAY ?
903
00:41:15,267 --> 00:41:17,234
AND I'D TELL THEM,
THIS IS THE LIFE.
904
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,734
THIS IS THE LIFESTYLE,
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.
905
00:41:22,067 --> 00:41:24,968
AND I SAY THIS IS WHY
I BELIEVE IT'S WRONG.
906
00:41:25,734 --> 00:41:28,634
( chanting )
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME... !
907
00:41:33,234 --> 00:41:35,701
IN NEW YORK, THE PROTEST
FOR MATTHEW SHEPARD
908
00:41:35,767 --> 00:41:37,234
TURNED INTO
A NEAR RIOT.
909
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:40,634
POLICE ON HORSES WERE
PUSHING INTO THE CROWDS.
910
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,634
( chanting )
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING,
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING !
911
00:41:54,701 --> 00:41:58,567
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING,
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING... !
912
00:41:58,634 --> 00:42:00,868
As of nine a.m. today,
913
00:42:00,934 --> 00:42:03,701
Matthew Shepard remains
in critical condition
914
00:42:03,767 --> 00:42:05,267
with severe
head injuries
915
00:42:05,334 --> 00:42:07,734
in the surgical
neuro-intensive care unit.
916
00:42:07,801 --> 00:42:10,033
Respiratory support...
917
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:11,434
AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE,
918
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:13,467
IT'S NOT A LIFESTYLE
WITH WHICH I AGREE.
919
00:42:13,534 --> 00:42:16,367
YOU STILL
FEEL THAT WAY ?
920
00:42:16,434 --> 00:42:18,267
YES.
921
00:42:19,067 --> 00:42:20,801
The family continues
to emphasize
922
00:42:20,868 --> 00:42:24,000
that the media
respect their privacy.
923
00:42:24,067 --> 00:42:28,267
The family also wants
to thank the American public
924
00:42:28,334 --> 00:42:29,667
for their concern
925
00:42:29,734 --> 00:42:32,334
and kind thoughts
for Matthew.
926
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,634
WE WENT
TO THE CANDLE VIGIL.
927
00:42:33,701 --> 00:42:37,100
AND IT WAS SO GOOD TO BE WITH
PEOPLE WHO FELT LIKE SHIT.
928
00:42:37,167 --> 00:42:40,868
I KEPT FEELING LIKE, I DON'T
DESERVE TO FEEL THIS BAD.
929
00:42:40,934 --> 00:42:42,801
AND SOMEBODY
GOT UP THERE AND SAID,
930
00:42:42,868 --> 00:42:44,367
"C'MON, GUYS,
LET'S SHOW THE WORLD
931
00:42:44,434 --> 00:42:46,734
THAT LARAMIE IS NOT
THIS KIND OF A TOWN."
932
00:42:46,801 --> 00:42:49,300
BUT IT IS
THIS KIND OF TOWN.
933
00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:52,534
IF IT WASN'T THIS KIND OF TOWN,
THEN WHY DID THIS HAPPEN HERE ?
934
00:42:52,601 --> 00:42:55,100
THAT'S A LIE
BECAUSE IT HAPPENED HERE.
935
00:42:55,167 --> 00:42:57,601
SO, HOW COULD IT
NOT BE A TOWN
936
00:42:57,667 --> 00:42:59,033
WHERE THIS KIND
OF THING HAPPENS ?
937
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,734
I MEAN, HOW CAN
YOU EVEN SAY THAT ?
938
00:43:01,801 --> 00:43:03,133
WE HAVE TO MOURN THIS
939
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,534
AND WE HAVE TO BE SAD
THAT WE LIVE IN A TOWN,
940
00:43:05,601 --> 00:43:08,934
A STATE, A COUNTRY,
WHERE SHIT LIKE THIS HAPPENS.
941
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,934
I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE
TRYING TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES
942
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,200
FROM THIS CRIME
943
00:43:13,267 --> 00:43:15,300
AND WE NEED TO OWN
THIS CRIME, I FEEL.
944
00:43:15,367 --> 00:43:16,601
EVERYONE NEEDS
TO OWN IT.
945
00:43:16,667 --> 00:43:19,534
WE ARE LIKE THIS.
946
00:43:20,701 --> 00:43:22,234
WE ARE LIKE THIS.
947
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:24,734
WE ARE LIKE THIS.
948
00:43:24,801 --> 00:43:25,968
NOT HAVING
TO DEAL THAT MUCH
949
00:43:26,033 --> 00:43:27,767
WITH THE GAY COMMUNITY
HERE IN LARAMIE,
950
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:29,901
ONCE WE STARTED
WORKING INTO THE CASE
951
00:43:29,968 --> 00:43:32,934
ACTUALLY TALKING TO PEOPLE
THAT WERE GAY
952
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
AND REALIZING WHAT THEIR
UNDERLYING FEARS WERE,
953
00:43:35,067 --> 00:43:38,934
THAT'S WHEN IT
SORT OF HIT HOME.
954
00:43:40,033 --> 00:43:41,133
THIS IS AMERICA.
955
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,300
YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT
TO FEEL THAT FEAR.
956
00:43:43,367 --> 00:43:45,667
DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN LARAMIE FEEL THE SAME WAY ?
957
00:43:45,734 --> 00:43:48,334
YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE PEOPLE
THAT HOLD WITH THE OLD IDEALS.
958
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,167
I WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THEM
14 MONTHS AGO.
959
00:43:52,234 --> 00:43:54,400
BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT UP
WITH IT ANYMORE,
960
00:43:54,467 --> 00:43:55,667
I'M NOT GONNA
LISTEN TO IT.
961
00:43:55,734 --> 00:43:57,701
IF THEY DON'T LIKE
MY VIEWS ON IT, FINE,
962
00:43:57,767 --> 00:44:00,000
DOOR GOES BOTH WAYS.
963
00:44:01,334 --> 00:44:03,400
I'VE ALREADY LOST A COUPLE
BUDDIES, BUT I DON'T CARE.
964
00:44:04,667 --> 00:44:05,868
I'M...
965
00:44:05,934 --> 00:44:07,300
I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
966
00:44:07,367 --> 00:44:10,334
I CAN SLEEP
AT NIGHT NOW.
967
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,334
( female )
WELL, I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
968
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,167
IT'S OUR PLEASURE.
969
00:44:16,234 --> 00:44:18,801
THESE GATHERINGS, THIS IS
A RECENT THING FOR US.
970
00:44:18,868 --> 00:44:22,067
THIS REALLY ONLY HAPPENED
SINCE MATTHEW.
971
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,200
AND THERE'S A RELIEF IN THAT
WE FINALLY CONNECTED.
972
00:44:24,267 --> 00:44:27,300
IT'S NICE TO SEE THERE ARE
A LOT OF US IN LARAMIE.
973
00:44:27,367 --> 00:44:30,133
IS EVERYBODY
IN THE COMPANY GAY ?
974
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,234
NO, JUST THE THREE OF US.
975
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:33,400
ARE YOU OUT ?
976
00:44:33,467 --> 00:44:35,100
YES.
YUP.
977
00:44:35,167 --> 00:44:37,367
I WASN'T OUT
BEFORE, ACTUALLY.
978
00:44:37,434 --> 00:44:39,767
THEN I THOUGHT PROBABLY
THEY ALL KNOW,
979
00:44:39,834 --> 00:44:42,133
BUT I'M NOT GONNA
LIKE TELL ANYONE.
980
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,500
AND IN THE LONG RUN,
YOUR SELF-ESTEEM
JUST BECOMES SHIT.
981
00:44:45,567 --> 00:44:48,567
AND I JUST, I COULDN'T
LIVE LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
982
00:44:48,634 --> 00:44:50,534
I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE DECIDED
983
00:44:50,601 --> 00:44:52,167
THAT THEY DIDN'T
WANT TO HIDE ANYMORE.
984
00:44:52,234 --> 00:44:54,167
I STILL DON'T FEEL
THAT FREE TO BE OUT HERE.
985
00:44:54,234 --> 00:44:56,367
NO ONE'S ASKING,
I'M NOT TELLING.
986
00:44:56,434 --> 00:44:57,834
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OUT
987
00:44:57,901 --> 00:45:00,133
AND I KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE
OF MYSELF, BUT...
988
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,868
SINCE THE EPISODE, I'VE BEEN
IRRATIONALLY TERRIFIED
989
00:45:03,934 --> 00:45:06,667
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS
WE DON'T LET OUR SON
990
00:45:06,734 --> 00:45:08,100
WALK AROUND
AT NIGHT ALONE.
991
00:45:08,167 --> 00:45:10,968
EVERY TIME I SEE
A PICKUP TRUCK DO A U-TURN,
992
00:45:11,033 --> 00:45:12,167
I THINK IT'S
COMING AFTER ME.
993
00:45:12,234 --> 00:45:15,000
AND I'M SHAKING SO BADLY, I HAVE
TO STOP DOING WHAT I'M DOING.
994
00:45:15,067 --> 00:45:17,734
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE
SOMEWHERE INSIDE
995
00:45:17,801 --> 00:45:21,000
WE ALL KNOW IT COULD
HAPPEN TO US ANY TIME.
996
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,067
SINCE OUR LAST
MEDICAL UPDATE,
997
00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:34,868
MATTHEW SHEPARD HAS REMAINED
IN CRITICAL CONDITION
998
00:45:34,934 --> 00:45:37,133
WITH SEVERE
HEAD INJURIES.
999
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,234
AS OF TODAY,
1000
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,434
THE HOSPITAL WILL NO LONGER
OFFER MEDICAL UPDATES
1001
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:42,868
ON A SCHEDULED BASIS.
1002
00:45:42,934 --> 00:45:46,334
IF MATTHEW'S
MEDICAL CONDITION CHANGES,
1003
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,934
WE WILL ISSUE
A NEW MEDICAL UPDATE
1004
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,868
AND WE WILL IMMEDIATELY CONTACT
AS MANY MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA
1005
00:45:52,934 --> 00:45:56,067
AS IS PRACTICALLY
POSSIBLE, THANK YOU.
1006
00:45:58,901 --> 00:46:01,667
All eyes are on
Laramie, Wyoming today
1007
00:46:01,734 --> 00:46:03,434
WHERE MANY ARE
TURNING THEIR FOCUS
1008
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:05,200
TO THEIR HOMECOMING PARADE.
1009
00:46:05,267 --> 00:46:06,467
AND THE FORTUNE OF
1010
00:46:06,534 --> 00:46:08,868
THE UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING
FOOTBALL TEAM.
1011
00:46:08,934 --> 00:46:11,834
( band playing )
1012
00:46:28,634 --> 00:46:32,133
THIS APARTMENT HAS WINDOWS
ON TWO OPPOSITE STREETS.
1013
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,834
ONE GOES NORTH
AND THE OTHER GOES SOUTH.
1014
00:46:33,901 --> 00:46:38,601
AND THAT IS EXACTLY
THE HOMECOMING PARADE ROUTE.
1015
00:46:40,868 --> 00:46:42,267
NOW, ON THE DAY
OF THE PARADE,
1016
00:46:42,334 --> 00:46:44,400
I HAD A CAST ON MY LEG
BECAUSE OF A FALL.
1017
00:46:44,467 --> 00:46:48,300
AND I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED
BECAUSE I HAD HEARD THAT
1018
00:46:48,367 --> 00:46:51,634
SOME STUDENTS WERE GONNA
BE WALKING FOR MATTHEW SHEPARD.
1019
00:46:51,701 --> 00:46:54,601
AND I WANTED TO JOIN THEM,
BUT I COULDN'T,
1020
00:46:54,667 --> 00:46:56,667
SO, I WATCHED
FROM THAT WINDOW.
1021
00:46:56,734 --> 00:46:58,267
IT WAS JUST...
1022
00:46:58,334 --> 00:47:03,133
I'M 52 YEARS OLD
AND I'M...
1023
00:47:04,934 --> 00:47:06,100
I'M GAY.
1024
00:47:06,167 --> 00:47:08,534
I'VE LIVED HERE
FOR MANY YEARS
1025
00:47:08,601 --> 00:47:10,801
AND I'VE SEEN A LOT.
1026
00:47:10,868 --> 00:47:13,934
AND I WAS VERY MOVED
WHEN I SAW THE...
1027
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,200
TAG AT THE END OF
THE HOMECOMING PARADE.
1028
00:47:25,701 --> 00:47:27,901
IT WAS JUST
A GROUP OF PEOPLE
1029
00:47:27,968 --> 00:47:31,300
WALKING BEHIND A BANNER
FOR MATTHEW SHEPARD.
1030
00:47:39,868 --> 00:47:43,834
BUT THE PARADE WENT DOWN
TO THE END OF THE BLOCK
1031
00:47:43,901 --> 00:47:45,767
MADE A U-TURN
AROUND THE BLOCK
1032
00:47:45,834 --> 00:47:49,133
AND I CAME TO THE OTHER SIDE OF
MY APARTMENT TO WATCH FOR IT
1033
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,834
TO COME SOUTH
DOWN THIS STREET.
1034
00:47:53,467 --> 00:47:54,901
MAYBE...
1035
00:47:54,968 --> 00:47:56,868
10 MINUTES WENT BY.
1036
00:47:59,734 --> 00:48:02,434
AND THEN I SAW THE MOST...
1037
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,367
INCREDIBLE THING.
1038
00:48:08,701 --> 00:48:10,334
AS THE PARADE
CAME DOWN THE STREET,
1039
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,834
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
MARCHING FOR MATTHEW SHEPARD
1040
00:48:12,901 --> 00:48:15,834
HAD GROWN
LIKE, FIVE TIMES.
1041
00:48:15,901 --> 00:48:19,500
CAN YOU IMAGINE ?
1042
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:21,367
THE TAG AT THE END
1043
00:48:21,434 --> 00:48:24,667
WAS BIGGER THAN
THE ENTIRE PARADE.
1044
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,734
I THOUGHT TO MYSELF,
1045
00:48:38,801 --> 00:48:43,200
THANK GOD I GOT
TO SEE THIS IN MY LIFETIME.
1046
00:48:44,868 --> 00:48:47,834
AND MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS...
1047
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,500
THANK YOU, MATTHEW.
1048
00:49:01,367 --> 00:49:03,868
I REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN
ALL THAT INVOLVED, PER SE.
1049
00:49:03,934 --> 00:49:06,534
MY HUSBAND'S
A HIGHWAY PATROLMAN,
1050
00:49:06,601 --> 00:49:09,334
SO, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY
I'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT.
1051
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,467
BUT WHEN I FIRST
FOUND OUT,
1052
00:49:11,534 --> 00:49:14,701
I JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS HORRIBLE.
1053
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,634
I JUST...
1054
00:49:17,701 --> 00:49:19,801
I CAN'T.
1055
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:22,901
NOBODY DESERVES THAT.
1056
00:49:24,133 --> 00:49:25,767
I DON'T CARE
WHO YOU ARE.
1057
00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:27,534
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU,
1058
00:49:27,601 --> 00:49:31,000
YOU KNOW THE MEDIA'S
PORTRAYING HIM AS A SAINT.
1059
00:49:31,067 --> 00:49:33,000
THEY'RE MAKING HIM OUT
AS A MARTYR
1060
00:49:33,067 --> 00:49:34,601
AND I DON'T
THINK HE WAS.
1061
00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:36,334
DID YOU KNOW HIM ?
1062
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,000
NO.
1063
00:49:38,067 --> 00:49:39,534
I DIDN'T KNOW HIM.
1064
00:49:39,601 --> 00:49:40,868
BUT...
1065
00:49:40,934 --> 00:49:43,734
THEY'RE JUST SO MANY THINGS
I FOUND OUT ABOUT HIM,
1066
00:49:43,801 --> 00:49:46,200
THAT I JUST--
IT'S SCARY.
1067
00:49:47,734 --> 00:49:49,567
YOU KNOW,
ABOUT HIS CHARACTER
1068
00:49:49,634 --> 00:49:51,834
AND SPREADING AIDS
1069
00:49:51,901 --> 00:49:53,767
AND A FEW
OTHER THINGS.
1070
00:49:53,834 --> 00:49:55,567
BEING...
1071
00:49:55,634 --> 00:49:58,901
ABOUT THE KIND
OF PERSON HE WAS.
1072
00:49:58,968 --> 00:50:00,801
MEANING ?
1073
00:50:02,868 --> 00:50:04,033
WELL,
1074
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:05,467
HE WAS...
1075
00:50:05,534 --> 00:50:08,601
HE WAS JUST...
1076
00:50:10,968 --> 00:50:12,367
A BARFLY.
1077
00:50:12,434 --> 00:50:17,133
SO, I THINK HE PUSHED
HIMSELF ON AROUND,
1078
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,334
OR I DON'T KNOW.
1079
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,701
BUT I THINK
HE FLAUNTED IT.
1080
00:50:21,934 --> 00:50:23,367
ANOTHER THING THAT
WASN'T BROUGHT OUT...
1081
00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:25,567
THE SAME TIME THAT HAPPENED
THAT PATROLMAN WAS KILLED
1082
00:50:25,634 --> 00:50:26,634
AND THERE WAS NOTHING.
1083
00:50:26,701 --> 00:50:29,133
NOTHING, THEY DIDN'T
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
1084
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,400
THAT OLD MAN
THAT KILLED HIM.
1085
00:50:30,467 --> 00:50:32,133
HE WAS DRIVING
DOWN THE ROAD,
1086
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,400
HE SHOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN DRIVING
1087
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:34,667
AND HE KILLED HIM.
1088
00:50:34,734 --> 00:50:36,000
AND THERE WAS JUST
A LITTLE PIECE.
1089
00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:39,000
AND WE LOST
ONE OF OUR GUYS.
1090
00:50:39,067 --> 00:50:43,334
YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND
WORKED WITH HIM.
1091
00:50:43,534 --> 00:50:45,801
THIS MAN WAS BRAND NEW
ON THE FORCE.
1092
00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:48,167
BUT I MEAN,
HERE'S ONE OF OURS.
1093
00:50:48,234 --> 00:50:52,334
AND IT WAS JUST
A LITTLE PIECE
IN THE PAPER.
1094
00:50:53,434 --> 00:50:56,767
BUT THIS WAS SUCH
A DELIBERATE CRIME.
1095
00:50:59,601 --> 00:51:01,968
EVERYBODY'S GOT PROBLEMS.
1096
00:51:03,667 --> 00:51:07,300
WHY THEY'RE EXEMPLIFYING
MATTHEW SHEPARD, I DON'T KNOW.
1097
00:51:08,434 --> 00:51:10,033
A HATE CRIME'S
A HATE CRIME.
1098
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:11,601
YOU MURDER SOMEBODY,
YOU HATE 'EM.
1099
00:51:11,667 --> 00:51:14,934
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO
IF YOU'RE A GAY OR A PROSTITUTE.
1100
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,701
I DON'T KNOW.
1101
00:51:19,667 --> 00:51:22,534
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
1102
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:27,968
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
1103
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,067
NOVEMBER 29th, 1998,
1104
00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:41,334
WE'RE ABOUT TO INTERVIEW
FATHER ROGER SCHMIT.
1105
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,934
HERE WE GO.
1106
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
TWO QUEERS
AND A CATHOLIC PRIEST.
1107
00:51:47,067 --> 00:51:48,801
MATTHEW SHEPARD
1108
00:51:48,868 --> 00:51:51,601
HAS SERVED US WELL.
1109
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,367
YOU REALIZE THAT,
HE HAS SERVED US WELL.
1110
00:51:55,434 --> 00:51:59,000
I CANNOT MENTION ANYONE WHO HAS
DONE MORE FOR THIS COMMUNITY
1111
00:51:59,067 --> 00:52:01,300
THAN MATTHEW SHEPARD.
1112
00:52:01,367 --> 00:52:04,000
AND I'M NOT GONNA
SIT HERE AND SAY
1113
00:52:04,067 --> 00:52:07,467
I WAS JUST
THIS BOLD GUY, NO FEAR.
1114
00:52:07,534 --> 00:52:09,334
I WAS SCARED.
1115
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,634
I WAS VERY VOCAL
IN THIS COMMUNITY
1116
00:52:12,701 --> 00:52:15,100
WHEN THIS HAPPENED,
SO, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
1117
00:52:15,167 --> 00:52:19,067
SHOULD WE CALL THE BISHOP
AND ASK HIM PERMISSION
1118
00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:20,934
TO DO THE VIGIL ?
1119
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,234
AND I WAS LIKE...
1120
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:24,801
HELL, NO !
1121
00:52:24,868 --> 00:52:26,934
I'M NOT GOING
TO DO THAT.
1122
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,667
HIS PERMISSION
DOESN'T MAKE IT CORRECT.
1123
00:52:29,734 --> 00:52:31,367
AND I'M NOT
KNOCKING BISHOPS,
1124
00:52:31,434 --> 00:52:34,400
BUT WHAT IS CORRECT
IS CORRECT.
1125
00:52:34,467 --> 00:52:38,934
YOU THINK VIOLENCE IS
WHAT THEY DID TO MATTHEW ?
1126
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,334
THEY DID DO VIOLENCE
TO MATTHEW.
1127
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,067
BUT, YOU KNOW,
1128
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:47,000
CAN I MAKE
THIS PERSONAL ?
1129
00:52:47,067 --> 00:52:48,968
YEAH, SURE.
1130
00:52:49,033 --> 00:52:52,901
EVERY TIME
YOU ARE CALLED A FAG
1131
00:52:52,968 --> 00:52:56,400
OR YOU ARE CALLED
A LES OR
1132
00:52:56,467 --> 00:52:58,667
OR A DYKE.
1133
00:52:58,734 --> 00:53:00,400
DYKE, YEAH, DYKE.
1134
00:53:00,467 --> 00:53:03,567
DO YOU REALIZE
THAT IS VIOLENCE ?
1135
00:53:03,634 --> 00:53:05,801
THAT IS, THAT IS
THE SEED OF VIOLENCE.
1136
00:53:05,868 --> 00:53:10,334
AND I WOULD RESENT IT IMNSELY
IF YOU USE ANYTHING I SAID
1137
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,400
TO SOMEHOW CULTIVATE
THAT KIND OF VIOLENCE.
1138
00:53:14,467 --> 00:53:17,334
WELL, THANK YOU, FATHER,
FOR SAYING THAT.
1139
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,133
JUST DEAL
1140
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,734
WITH WHAT IS TRUE.
1141
00:53:20,801 --> 00:53:24,400
YOU KNOW
WHAT IS TRUE.
1142
00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:29,467
( Father Roger on tape )
You need to do your best
to say it correct.
1143
00:53:31,834 --> 00:53:33,601
THESE PEOPLE
TRUST US.
1144
00:53:33,667 --> 00:53:35,167
YOU KNOW, THEY WANT...
1145
00:53:35,234 --> 00:53:39,968
THEY WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW
THAT THEY ARE NOT THIS CRIME.
1146
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:45,868
IT'S MORE THAN
CLEARING LARAMIE'S NAME,
1147
00:53:45,934 --> 00:53:47,467
IT'S CLEARING
THEIR OWN.
1148
00:53:47,534 --> 00:53:51,100
AND I DON'T KNOW
THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
1149
00:53:59,801 --> 00:54:00,767
REVEREND.
1150
00:54:00,834 --> 00:54:02,400
REVEREND, HI.
1151
00:54:02,467 --> 00:54:04,567
MY NAME'S AMANDA,
I'M WITH THE THEATRE COMPANY
1152
00:54:04,634 --> 00:54:06,868
THAT'S BEEN SPEAKING
WITH PEOPLE HERE IN LARAMIE.
1153
00:54:06,934 --> 00:54:09,968
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU...
1154
00:54:10,033 --> 00:54:13,167
I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY
WANT TO TALK WITH ANYBODY AT ALL
1155
00:54:13,234 --> 00:54:15,100
ABOUT THIS INCIDENT.
1156
00:54:15,167 --> 00:54:17,534
I'M SOMEWHAT INVOLVED
1157
00:54:17,601 --> 00:54:20,033
AND I REALLY DON'T FEEL
LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
1158
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:21,968
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND,
1159
00:54:22,033 --> 00:54:24,133
I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU
I WENT TO YOUR SERVICE.
1160
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,868
YOU WENT
TO THE SERVICE ?
1161
00:54:25,934 --> 00:54:27,500
ON SUNDAY ?
YES, I DID.
1162
00:54:27,567 --> 00:54:28,767
YES.
1163
00:54:28,834 --> 00:54:29,934
DID I MEET YOU ?
1164
00:54:30,033 --> 00:54:31,133
BRIEFLY.
1165
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,334
YOU WELCOMED US
IN THE BEGINNING.
1166
00:54:35,267 --> 00:54:38,267
WELL, I WILL TELL YOU
THAT I AM INVOLVED.
1167
00:54:38,334 --> 00:54:40,400
HALF THE PEOPLE
IN THE CASE,
1168
00:54:40,467 --> 00:54:42,834
WELL, THE GIRLFRIEND
OF THE ACCUSED
1169
00:54:42,901 --> 00:54:44,734
IS A MEMBER OF
OUR CONGREGATION.
1170
00:54:44,801 --> 00:54:46,968
AND ONE OF THE ACCUSED
HAS VISITED.
1171
00:54:47,033 --> 00:54:49,834
I THINK THEY DESERVE
THE DEATH PENALTY,
1172
00:54:49,901 --> 00:54:54,968
BUT I WILL TRY TO DEAL
WITH THEM SPIRITUALLY.
1173
00:54:56,133 --> 00:54:58,267
NOW, AS FAR
AS THE VICTIM...
1174
00:54:59,534 --> 00:55:02,133
I KNOW THAT THAT
LIFESTYLE IS LEGAL.
1175
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,100
BUT I WILL
TELL YOU ONE THING,
1176
00:55:04,167 --> 00:55:07,234
I HOPE MATTHEW SHEPARD,
1177
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,100
AS HE WAS TIED
TO THAT FENCE,
1178
00:55:10,167 --> 00:55:15,767
THAT HE HAD TIME
TO REFLECT ON A MOMENT WHEN...
1179
00:55:15,834 --> 00:55:19,901
SOMEBODY HAD SPOKEN
THE WORD OF THE LORD TO HIM.
1180
00:55:21,534 --> 00:55:23,801
AND THAT BEFORE
HE SLIPPED INTO A COMA,
1181
00:55:23,868 --> 00:55:29,167
HE HAD A CHANCE TO REFLECT
ON HIS LIFESTYLE.
1182
00:55:34,267 --> 00:55:36,234
THANK YOU, REVEREND.
1183
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:37,601
I APPRECIATE
YOUR SPEAKING WITH ME.
1184
00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:38,634
ALRIGHT.
1185
00:55:38,701 --> 00:55:40,434
WE BETTER GO.
1186
00:55:50,934 --> 00:55:52,734
I LET HIM
SAY THAT TO ME.
1187
00:55:52,801 --> 00:55:54,634
I LET HIM
SAY THAT TO ME.
1188
00:55:54,701 --> 00:55:56,801
AND I DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING BACK.
1189
00:56:22,567 --> 00:56:24,834
At 12 midnight
1190
00:56:24,901 --> 00:56:26,868
on Monday, October 12th,
1191
00:56:26,934 --> 00:56:30,500
Matthew Shepard's
blood pressure began to drop.
1192
00:56:30,567 --> 00:56:33,067
We immediately
notified the family
1193
00:56:33,133 --> 00:56:37,634
who were already
at the hospital.
1194
00:56:38,834 --> 00:56:40,934
AT 12:53 A.M.
1195
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,734
MATTHEW SHEPARD DIED.
1196
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,434
HIS FAMILY WAS
AT HIS BEDSIDE.
1197
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:51,834
THE FAMILY DID RELEASE
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.
1198
00:56:51,901 --> 00:56:55,968
THEY AGAIN ASKED ME TO EXPRESS
THEIR SINCEREST GRATITUDE TO...
1199
00:56:56,033 --> 00:56:59,334
TO THE ENTIRE WORLD
1200
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,901
FOR THE OVERWHELMING
1201
00:57:01,968 --> 00:57:04,634
RESPONSE TO THEIR SON.
1202
00:57:04,701 --> 00:57:07,567
THE FAMILY WAS GRATEFUL
THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE TO
1203
00:57:07,634 --> 00:57:11,567
MAKE A DECISION
REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT
1204
00:57:11,634 --> 00:57:14,167
TO CONTINUE LIFE SUPPORT
FOR THEIR SON.
1205
00:57:14,234 --> 00:57:16,801
"LIKE A GOOD SON,
1206
00:57:16,868 --> 00:57:19,334
"HE WAS CARING
TO THE END.
1207
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,334
"AND REMOVED GUILT
OR STRESS FROM THE FAMILY.
1208
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,868
"HE CAME INTO
THE WORLD PREMATURE
1209
00:57:25,934 --> 00:57:29,601
AND LEFT THE WORLD
PREMATURE."
1210
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:33,200
MATTHEW'S MOTHER SAID...
1211
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,767
WE'D BEEN UP FOR LIKE,
72 HOURS STRAIGHT
1212
00:57:50,834 --> 00:57:54,567
AND GONE HOME AND GONE TO SLEEP
FOR HALF AN HOUR
1213
00:57:54,634 --> 00:57:56,968
AND GET UP AND COME,
MAYBE I WAS JUST WAY--
1214
00:57:57,033 --> 00:57:59,534
I DON'T KNOW.
1215
00:57:59,601 --> 00:58:02,133
WHEN I WAS READING
THAT STATEMENT,
1216
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,534
I THOUGHT ABOUT
MY OWN FOUR DAUGHTERS
1217
00:58:04,601 --> 00:58:08,367
AND SHE DOESN'T
HAVE HER KID ANYMORE.
1218
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,367
"GO HOME."
1219
00:58:13,434 --> 00:58:16,334
"GIVE YOUR KIDS A HUG."
1220
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,067
"DON'T LET A DAY GO BY
1221
00:58:22,133 --> 00:58:24,634
WITHOUT TELLING THEM
THAT YOU LOVE THEM."
1222
00:58:25,767 --> 00:58:28,701
AND THEN, WE STARTED
GETTING PEOPLE SENDING US
1223
00:58:28,767 --> 00:58:31,133
ALL THESE
E-MAILS AND LETTERS.
1224
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,467
"DO YOU CRY LIKE A BABY ON TV
FOR ALL YOUR PATIENTS
1225
00:58:34,534 --> 00:58:37,167
OR JUST THE FAGGOTS ?"
1226
00:58:37,234 --> 00:58:38,534
JESUS.
1227
00:58:38,601 --> 00:58:41,200
AFTER BEING
THROWN INTO THIS,
1228
00:58:41,267 --> 00:58:43,367
I GUESS I DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE
1229
00:58:43,434 --> 00:58:47,334
WITH WHICH
SOME PEOPLE HATE.
1230
00:58:48,868 --> 00:58:50,534
AND OF ALL
THE LETTERS WE GOT,
1231
00:58:50,601 --> 00:58:52,334
THERE WERE TWO OR THREE
THAT WERE LIKE THAT.
1232
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,934
MOST WERE THANKS
1233
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,334
FOR YOUR CARING
AND COMPASSION.
1234
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,834
AND MATTHEW...
1235
00:59:03,267 --> 00:59:06,767
MATTHEW GOT CARING
AND COMPASSION
1236
00:59:06,834 --> 00:59:10,167
FROM THE MOMENT
HE GOT HERE.
1237
00:59:16,634 --> 00:59:18,200
( male reporter )
The charges against
1238
00:59:18,267 --> 00:59:20,434
Russell Henderson
and Aaron McKinney
1239
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,367
were upgraded
to first degree murder
1240
00:59:22,434 --> 00:59:25,133
after Matthew Shepard
died early Monday morning.
1241
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,934
If convicted,
1242
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,167
the two men could
face the death penalty.
1243
00:59:29,234 --> 00:59:31,133
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT,
1244
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,701
IF THEY PUT THOSE
TWO BOYS TO DEATH,
1245
00:59:33,767 --> 00:59:36,000
THAT WOULD
DEFEAT EVERYTHING
1246
00:59:36,067 --> 00:59:37,467
THAT MATT WOULD BE
THINKING ABOUT THEM.
1247
00:59:37,534 --> 00:59:40,500
BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT
WANT THOSE TWO TO DIE.
1248
00:59:40,567 --> 00:59:42,100
HE'D WANT TO
LEAVE THEM WITH HOPE.
1249
00:59:42,167 --> 00:59:43,434
H-O-P-E.
1250
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,934
JUST LIKE
THE WHOLE WORLD...
1251
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,500
HOPED THAT MATT
WOULD SURVIVE.
1252
00:59:48,567 --> 00:59:51,000
THIS WHOLE THING,
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING ?
1253
00:59:51,067 --> 00:59:53,367
THIS WHOLE THING
ROPES AROUND HOPE.
1254
00:59:53,434 --> 00:59:55,667
H-O-P-E.
1255
01:00:10,467 --> 01:00:12,033
( Matt Galloway )
ON THE DAY OF THE FUNERAL,
1256
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:14,067
IT WAS SNOWING
AND RAINING SO BAD.
1257
01:00:14,133 --> 01:00:15,601
BY THE TIME
I GOT THERE,
1258
01:00:15,667 --> 01:00:17,634
THERE WERE ALREADY
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THERE
1259
01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:19,167
DRESSED IN BLACK,
UMBRELLAS EVERYWHERE.
1260
01:00:19,234 --> 01:00:21,767
AND THEY HAD
TWO CHURCHES SET UP
1261
01:00:21,834 --> 01:00:23,868
AND STILL, THERE WERE
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE
1262
01:00:23,934 --> 01:00:26,234
WHO COULDN'T FIT INTO
EITHER ONE OF THE CHURCHES
1263
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,834
AND THEY HAD
THIS PARK SET UP.
1264
01:00:27,901 --> 01:00:29,901
AND THE PARK WAS FULL.
1265
01:00:37,467 --> 01:00:40,133
( male )
THOSE SHALL NOT
LIE DOWN WITH MANKIND
1266
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,267
AS IN WOMANKIND !
1267
01:00:41,334 --> 01:00:42,500
IT IS ABOMINATION.
1268
01:00:42,567 --> 01:00:45,734
MATTHEW SHEPARD LIVED HIS LIFE
BREAKING THAT COMMANDMENT.
1269
01:00:45,801 --> 01:00:49,133
NOW, IF HE REPENTED
IN HIS DYING HOURS,
WHICH WE HOPE HE DID,
1270
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,767
IF NOT, HE IS IN HELL
ALONG WITH THOSE KILLERS.
1271
01:00:51,834 --> 01:00:53,400
DO YOU BELIEVE
IN THE BIBLE ?
1272
01:00:53,467 --> 01:00:54,734
DO YOU BELIEVE
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
1273
01:00:54,801 --> 01:00:56,500
SEPARATE THE PRECIOUS
FROM THE VILE ?
1274
01:00:56,567 --> 01:00:58,167
NO, YOU DON'T BELIEVE
THAT PART OF THE BIBLE.
1275
01:00:58,234 --> 01:00:59,300
YOU JUST
STAND OVER THERE
1276
01:00:59,367 --> 01:01:02,667
IGNORANT OF THE FACT
THAT FOR EVERY TWO TIMES...
1277
01:01:07,734 --> 01:01:11,100
AFTER SEEING PHELPS
PROTESTING AT MATTHEW'S FUNERAL,
1278
01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:13,734
AND THEN HEARING THAT
HE'S COMING BACK TO LARAMIE
1279
01:01:13,801 --> 01:01:15,534
FOR THE TRIAL
OF RUSSELL HENDERSON,
1280
01:01:15,601 --> 01:01:18,801
I DECIDED THAT SOMEONE NEEDS
TO STAND TOE-TO-TOE WITH HIM
1281
01:01:18,868 --> 01:01:20,234
AND SHOW THE DIFFERENCE.
1282
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,467
SOME PEOPLE ARE
GONNA BE SENT TO HELL
1283
01:01:22,534 --> 01:01:26,033
AND I THINK
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
1284
01:01:26,968 --> 01:01:29,434
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THIS
WAS JUST ANOTHER MURDER
1285
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:32,000
THAT THE STATE
WAS GONNA HANDLE.
1286
01:01:32,067 --> 01:01:34,934
THE STATE HANDLES
HUNDREDS OF MURDERS !
1287
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,667
THIS MURDER
1288
01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:38,167
IS DIFFERENT.
1289
01:01:38,234 --> 01:01:39,701
BECAUSE THE GAY...
1290
01:01:39,767 --> 01:01:41,200
HE'S NOT
EVEN FROM LARAMIE.
1291
01:01:41,267 --> 01:01:43,067
HE JUST TRAVELS
AROUND THE COUNTRY
1292
01:01:43,133 --> 01:01:45,567
DOING HIS DEMONSTRATIONS.
1293
01:01:51,734 --> 01:01:53,267
SO, WE'RE PLANNING
AN EVENT.
1294
01:01:53,334 --> 01:01:56,067
WE'RE CALLING IT
"ANGEL ACTION".
1295
01:01:56,133 --> 01:01:58,500
THIS 21-YEAR-OLD
LITTLE LESBIAN
1296
01:01:58,567 --> 01:02:00,434
IS GONNA WALK THE LINE
WITH THEM.
1297
01:02:04,267 --> 01:02:05,601
SPARE NOT !
1298
01:02:05,667 --> 01:02:08,400
YOU LIFT UP YOUR VOICE
LIKE A TRUMPET !
1299
01:02:09,701 --> 01:02:13,367
AND YOU SHOW MY PEOPLE
THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS.
1300
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,334
WE ARE SENDING
THE MESSAGE OF GOD.
1301
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,200
GOD'S ANGER IS PURE.
1302
01:02:18,267 --> 01:02:21,567
GOD IS GONNA
SEND SOMEONE TO HELL !
1303
01:02:21,634 --> 01:02:24,133
THAT'S GOD'S ANGER !
1304
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,968
NOW, WE WOULDN'T
BE HERE--
1305
01:02:43,734 --> 01:02:47,200
( male )
... TO BE TAUGHT BY FAGGOTS
IN YOUR SCHOOLS ?
1306
01:02:47,267 --> 01:02:49,434
WE'RE NOT GONNA
LET THAT HAPPEN.
1307
01:03:11,767 --> 01:03:13,534
AS SOON AS THEY STARTED
JURY SELECTION,
1308
01:03:13,601 --> 01:03:15,500
EVERYONE WAS COMING
INTO MY SHOP WITH
1309
01:03:15,567 --> 01:03:17,601
"I DON'T WANT TO BE
ON THIS TRIAL.
1310
01:03:17,667 --> 01:03:19,167
"I HOPE
THEY DON'T CALL ME.
1311
01:03:19,234 --> 01:03:22,601
OR "OH, MY GOD, I GOT CALLED,
HOW DO I GET OFF ?"
1312
01:03:22,667 --> 01:03:27,000
JUST WANTING TO GET
AS FAR AWAY FROM IT
AS THEY COULD.
1313
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:29,067
VERY FEARFUL
1314
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:32,601
THAT THEY WERE GONNA
HAVE TO BE PART OF THAT JURY.
1315
01:03:34,033 --> 01:03:37,000
AND THEN I HEARD HENDERSON
HAD TO SIT IN THE COURTROOM
1316
01:03:37,067 --> 01:03:40,200
WHILE THEY QUESTIONED
PERSPECTIVE JURORS.
1317
01:03:40,267 --> 01:03:43,400
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
THEY ASKED WAS...
1318
01:03:43,467 --> 01:03:46,300
"WOULD YOU BE WILLING
1319
01:03:46,367 --> 01:03:49,033
TO PUT THIS PERSON
TO DEATH ?"
1320
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,868
AND I UNDERSTAND A LOT
OF THE COMMENTS WERE...
1321
01:03:51,934 --> 01:03:53,901
"YES, I WOULD.
1322
01:03:53,968 --> 01:03:55,868
"ABSOLUTELY.
1323
01:03:55,934 --> 01:03:59,267
YEP, NO PROBLEM."
1324
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,868
CAN YOU IMAGINE
HEARING THAT ?
1325
01:04:02,934 --> 01:04:06,200
JUROR AFTER JUROR
1326
01:04:06,267 --> 01:04:09,200
AFTER JUROR ?
1327
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,968
THESE ARE PEOPLE
THAT HE KNOWS.
1328
01:04:16,133 --> 01:04:19,067
NO WONDER
HE CHANGED HIS PLEA.
1329
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,868
YOU ENTERED A NOT-GUILTY PLEA
EARLIER, MR. HENDERSON.
1330
01:04:21,934 --> 01:04:25,634
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WISH
TO CHANGE YOUR PLEA TODAY ?
1331
01:04:25,701 --> 01:04:26,767
YES, SIR.
1332
01:04:26,834 --> 01:04:29,634
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT
THE RECOMMENDED SENTENCE HERE
1333
01:04:29,701 --> 01:04:32,067
IS TWO LIFE SENTENCES ?
1334
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,200
YES, SIR.
1335
01:04:34,267 --> 01:04:37,334
AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT
THOSE MAY RUN CONCURRENTLY
1336
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,467
OR THEY MAY RUN
CONSECUTIVELY ?
1337
01:04:39,534 --> 01:04:41,934
YES, SIR.
1338
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,734
BEFORE THE COURT
MAKES THAT DECISION,
1339
01:04:43,801 --> 01:04:45,934
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE
STATEMENTS TO BE MADE BY
1340
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,434
AT LEAST ONE INDIVIDUAL.
1341
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:50,000
LET'S PROCEED
WITH THAT.
1342
01:04:52,968 --> 01:04:54,200
AS THE GRANDMOTHER
1343
01:04:54,267 --> 01:04:58,000
AND THE PERSON WHO RAISED
RUSSELL ALONG WITH MY FAMILY,
1344
01:04:58,067 --> 01:05:01,834
WE HAVE WRITTEN
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.
1345
01:05:01,901 --> 01:05:05,701
"OUR HEARTS ACHE
FOR THE PAIN AND SUFFERING
1346
01:05:05,767 --> 01:05:07,934
"THAT THE SHEPARD'S
HAVE WENT THROUGH.
1347
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,234
"WE HAVE PRAYED FOR YOUR FAMILY
SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
1348
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:14,200
"MANY TIMES
THROUGHOUT THE DAY,
1349
01:05:14,267 --> 01:05:16,167
"I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT MATT
1350
01:05:16,234 --> 01:05:19,634
"AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE
IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.
1351
01:05:19,701 --> 01:05:23,133
"AS WE KNOW THAT YOUR PAIN
WILL NEVER GO AWAY.
1352
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,601
"YOU HAVE SHOWED SUCH MERCY
AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL
1353
01:05:26,667 --> 01:05:30,567
"THAT YOU ARE GIVING US
ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE.
1354
01:05:31,834 --> 01:05:33,267
"YOUR HONOR,
1355
01:05:33,334 --> 01:05:35,667
"WE AS A FAMILY,
1356
01:05:35,734 --> 01:05:38,834
"HOPE THAT AS YOU
SENTENCE RUSSELL,
1357
01:05:38,901 --> 01:05:42,033
"THAT YOU WILL
DO IT CONCURRENTLY
1358
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:46,033
"FOR TWO LIFE TERMS.
1359
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:49,167
"FOR THE RUSSELL
WE KNOW AND LOVE,
1360
01:05:49,234 --> 01:05:52,534
"WE HUMBLY PLEAD,
YOUR HONOR,
1361
01:05:52,601 --> 01:05:57,000
"TO NOT TAKE RUSSELL
COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR LIVES...
1362
01:05:57,067 --> 01:05:59,500
FOREVER."
1363
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:06,868
MR. AND MRS. SHEPARD,
1364
01:06:06,934 --> 01:06:09,500
THERE IS NOT A MOMENT
THAT GOES BY THAT I DON'T
1365
01:06:09,567 --> 01:06:13,067
SEE WHAT HAPPENED
THAT NIGHT.
1366
01:06:14,234 --> 01:06:16,334
I KNOW WHAT I DID
WAS VERY WRONG.
1367
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,934
AND I REGRET
GREATLY WHAT I DID.
1368
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,701
YOU HAVE MY GREATEST SYMPATHIES
FOR WHAT HAPPENED.
1369
01:06:26,701 --> 01:06:29,133
I HOPE THAT...
1370
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,968
ONE DAY YOU WILL BE ABLE
TO FIND IT IN YOUR HEARTS
1371
01:06:32,033 --> 01:06:34,234
TO FORGIVE ME.
1372
01:06:39,467 --> 01:06:40,634
MR. HENDERSON,
1373
01:06:40,701 --> 01:06:43,934
THIS COURT DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT
YOU REALLY FEEL ANY TRUE REMORSE
1374
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,534
FOR YOUR PART
IN THIS MATTER.
1375
01:06:46,601 --> 01:06:48,868
AND I WONDER WHETHER
YOU FULLY REALIZE
1376
01:06:48,934 --> 01:06:51,200
THE GRAVITY OF
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
1377
01:06:51,267 --> 01:06:55,100
YOU DROVE THE VEHICLE THAT TOOK
MATTHEW SHEPARD TO HIS DEATH.
1378
01:06:55,167 --> 01:06:58,534
YOU BOUND HIM
TO THAT FENCE,
1379
01:06:58,601 --> 01:07:01,701
IN ORDER THAT HE MIGHT
BE MORE SAVAGELY BEATEN.
1380
01:07:01,767 --> 01:07:05,100
AND IN ORDER THAT HE MIGHT
NOT ESCAPE TO TELL HIS TALE.
1381
01:07:05,167 --> 01:07:09,033
YOU LEFT HIM OUT THERE
FOR 18 HOURS,
1382
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,834
PERHAPS HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SAVE HIS LIFE
1383
01:07:12,901 --> 01:07:15,701
AND YOU DID NOTHING.
1384
01:07:15,767 --> 01:07:18,167
AS TO COUNT THREE,
1385
01:07:18,234 --> 01:07:20,634
THAT BEING FELONY MURDER
WITH ROBBERY,
1386
01:07:20,701 --> 01:07:23,567
YOU ARE TO SERVE A PERIOD
OF IMPRISONMENT
1387
01:07:23,634 --> 01:07:26,033
FOR THE TERM OF
YOUR NATURAL LIFE.
1388
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:27,667
FOR COUNT ONE,
1389
01:07:27,734 --> 01:07:29,868
KIDNAPPING,
1390
01:07:29,934 --> 01:07:32,567
THAT YOU ARE TO SERVE
A PERIOD OF IMPRISONMENT
1391
01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:34,968
FOR THE TERM OF
YOUR NATURAL LIFE.
1392
01:07:35,033 --> 01:07:38,734
SENTENCING FOR COUNT ONE
TO RUN CONSECUTIVE
1393
01:07:38,801 --> 01:07:41,200
TO SENTENCING
FOR COUNT THREE.
1394
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,167
( sobbing )
1395
01:07:52,868 --> 01:07:53,968
AFTER THIS SENTENCING,
1396
01:07:54,033 --> 01:07:56,133
THE MORMAN CHURCH DECIDED
TO EXCOMMUNICATE RUSSELL.
1397
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,834
NOW, HE'S GOT
A MORMON HOME TEACHER
1398
01:07:58,901 --> 01:08:00,634
THAT VISITS HIM
IN PRISON EVERY WEEK.
1399
01:08:00,701 --> 01:08:03,767
NOW NOBODY FROM THE CHURCH
IS GONNA GO VISIT HIM ?
1400
01:08:03,834 --> 01:08:04,868
NOT SUPPOSED TO.
1401
01:08:04,934 --> 01:08:06,100
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED
TO PRAY FOR HIM,
1402
01:08:06,167 --> 01:08:07,734
HE'LL JUST
SORT OF DISAPPEAR.
1403
01:08:07,801 --> 01:08:10,500
( reporters yelling )
1404
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,534
WHAT HAPPENED
THAT NIGHT ?
1405
01:08:28,601 --> 01:08:32,000
WE NEED TO KNOW.
1406
01:08:33,868 --> 01:08:36,500
THIS TOWN
NEEDS TO KNOW.
1407
01:08:43,434 --> 01:08:45,467
I NEED SOME MORE
LIGHT ON THEM.
1408
01:08:45,534 --> 01:08:48,634
I NEVER GET TIRED
OF THIS PLAY.
1409
01:08:48,701 --> 01:08:50,667
YEAH, WELL,
TRY DIRECTING IT 50 TIMES.
1410
01:08:50,734 --> 01:08:53,467
YOU CAN RELAX,
JUST KEEP THE UMBRELLAS UP.
1411
01:08:53,534 --> 01:08:57,467
SO, I HEAR YOU'RE DOING
"ANGELS IN AMERICA" NEXT YEAR.
1412
01:08:57,534 --> 01:09:00,267
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION
TO REACH OUR STUDENTS.
1413
01:09:00,334 --> 01:09:02,567
AND THE QUESTION IS,
HOW DO YOU MOVE...
1414
01:09:02,634 --> 01:09:05,367
HOW DO YOU REACH
A WHOLE STATE
1415
01:09:05,434 --> 01:09:08,968
WHERE'S THERE'S SUCH DEEP-SEEDED
HOSTILITY TOWARD GAYS ?
1416
01:09:09,033 --> 01:09:10,100
HOW DO YOU REACH THEM ?
1417
01:09:10,167 --> 01:09:13,434
"ANGELS IN AMERICA"
IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
1418
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:16,334
AND GUESS WHO'S
AUDITIONING FOR THE LEAD ?
1419
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,033
MY PARENTS, RIGHT ?
1420
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,467
THEY'RE LIKE,
HEY, SO,
1421
01:09:19,534 --> 01:09:21,834
WHAT PLAYS ARE THEY DOING
IN SCHOOL THIS YEAR ?
1422
01:09:21,901 --> 01:09:23,100
OH, LET'S SEE,
1423
01:09:23,167 --> 01:09:24,734
"ANGELS IN AMERICA".
1424
01:09:24,801 --> 01:09:26,234
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
1425
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:30,133
"ANGELS IN AMERICA",
ISN'T THAT THAT PLAY ?
1426
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,367
THAT SCENE ?
1427
01:09:32,434 --> 01:09:34,868
SO, YOU'RE GONNA...
1428
01:09:34,934 --> 01:09:36,934
AUDITION FOR THIS ?
1429
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,500
AND, I SAID, UM...
1430
01:09:38,567 --> 01:09:40,968
YEAH, I AM.
1431
01:09:41,033 --> 01:09:43,200
HUGE ARGUMENT.
1432
01:09:43,267 --> 01:09:45,534
THERE WAS LIKE,
THIS HUGE ARGUMENT.
1433
01:09:45,601 --> 01:09:47,133
MY MOM WAS LIKE,
1434
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,234
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN,
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN,
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN.
1435
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:52,100
BUT THE BEST THING,
THE BEST THING THEY KNEW...
1436
01:09:52,167 --> 01:09:55,434
THEY HAD JUST SEEN ME
RIGHT BEFORE THIS,
1437
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,033
THEY'D JUST SEEN ME
ON STAGE IN "MACBETH", RIGHT ?
1438
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:01,367
I MURDERED THIS LITTLE KID
AND LADY MCDUFF
1439
01:10:01,434 --> 01:10:03,100
AND THESE
TWO OTHER GUYS, RIGHT ?
1440
01:10:03,167 --> 01:10:03,968
MOM, MOM, MOM.
1441
01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:07,400
I JUST PLAYED
A MURDERER TONIGHT
1442
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:10,334
AND YOU DIDN'T SEEM
TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
1443
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,868
( chuckling )
1444
01:10:11,934 --> 01:10:13,234
SO, WHEN'S THE AUDITION ?
1445
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:14,467
TUESDAY.
1446
01:10:14,534 --> 01:10:17,534
BUT I TELL YOU, MAN,
I HAVE NEVER PREPARED MYSELF
1447
01:10:17,601 --> 01:10:19,868
FOR AN AUDITION
LIKE THIS IN MY LIFE.
1448
01:10:19,934 --> 01:10:20,734
NEVER,
1449
01:10:20,801 --> 01:10:21,968
NOT EVEN CLOSE.
1450
01:10:22,033 --> 01:10:25,901
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY
SECOND GUESSES
WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
1451
01:10:25,968 --> 01:10:28,968
YOU KNOW, YOU GET
A LOT OF HEAVY CRITICISM.
1452
01:10:29,033 --> 01:10:31,100
YOU DID
EVERYTHING WRONG.
1453
01:10:31,167 --> 01:10:33,567
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED
TO TOUCH ANYBODY
1454
01:10:33,634 --> 01:10:37,167
UNLESS YOU HAVE YOUR GLOVES ON
AND PROTECTIVE GEAR.
1455
01:10:38,801 --> 01:10:41,901
THEN THEY MAKE YOU OUT TO BE
SOME KIND OF BIG HERO.
1456
01:10:41,968 --> 01:10:46,334
YOU KNOW, SOME JOE BLOW
DOWN THE BLOCK
1457
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,400
COULD'VE DONE A BETTER JOB
THAN I DID.
1458
01:10:51,267 --> 01:10:52,567
( giggling )
1459
01:10:52,634 --> 01:10:55,300
PEOPLE DO EXTRAORDINARY
THINGS EVERY DAY.
1460
01:10:56,767 --> 01:10:59,133
I THINK THIS HAS REALLY
BROUGHT HOME TO MY GIRLS...
1461
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,734
WHAT THEIR MOM
DOES FOR A LIVING.
1462
01:11:08,968 --> 01:11:10,434
JUST A MINUTE,
JUST A MINUTE.
1463
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:12,767
IT IS THE DECISION OF
THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
1464
01:11:12,834 --> 01:11:15,667
THAT THIS WILL
DEFINITELY BE TRIED
AS A DEATH PENALTY CASE.
1465
01:11:15,734 --> 01:11:17,200
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
1466
01:11:17,267 --> 01:11:18,534
THANK YOU.
1467
01:11:18,734 --> 01:11:20,467
HOW CAN I PROTEST
1468
01:11:20,534 --> 01:11:22,067
IF THE SHEPARDS
WANT McKINNEY DEAD ?
1469
01:11:22,133 --> 01:11:23,334
I JUST CAN'T
INTERFERE IN THAT.
1470
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,434
BUT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL,
I KNEW AARON IN GRADE SCHOOL.
1471
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:28,901
HE WASN'T CALLED AARON,
WE CALLED HIM AJ.
1472
01:11:28,968 --> 01:11:31,868
HOW CAN WE PUT
AJ McKINNEY TO DEATH ?
1473
01:11:31,934 --> 01:11:35,300
I THINK RIGHT NOW
OUR MOST IMPORTANT TEACHERS
1474
01:11:35,367 --> 01:11:39,067
MUST BE RUSSELL HENDERSON
AND AARON McKINNEY.
1475
01:11:39,133 --> 01:11:40,667
THEY HAVE TO BE
OUR TEACHERS.
1476
01:11:40,734 --> 01:11:42,067
HOW DID YOU LEARN ?
1477
01:11:42,133 --> 01:11:45,133
WHAT DID WE DO AS A SOCIETY
TO TEACH YOU THAT ?
1478
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,000
SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE
WILL LET THEM BE THEIR TEACHER.
1479
01:11:48,067 --> 01:11:51,267
I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL
IF THE JUDGE SAID
1480
01:11:51,334 --> 01:11:55,601
IN ADDITION TO THE SENTENCE,
YOU MUST TELL YOUR STORY.
1481
01:11:55,667 --> 01:11:59,567
YOU MUST
TELL YOUR STORY.
1482
01:11:59,634 --> 01:12:02,267
THIS IS A TAPE RECORDING
OF THE CONFESSION
1483
01:12:02,334 --> 01:12:04,334
GIVEN BY
AARON JAMES McKINNEY TO ME
1484
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,033
AS DETECTIVE IN CHARGE
OF THE INVESTIGATION.
1485
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:10,434
THIS CONFESSION WAS RECORDED
TWO DAYS AFTER THE ATTACK.
1486
01:12:14,634 --> 01:12:17,801
So, you guys
go to the Fireside, right ?
1487
01:12:17,868 --> 01:12:19,133
Yeah.
1488
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,200
Where do you go after
you leave the Fireside ?
1489
01:12:22,267 --> 01:12:24,834
Some kid
wanted a ride home.
1490
01:12:24,901 --> 01:12:26,267
Uh-huh.
1491
01:12:26,334 --> 01:12:28,033
WHAT'S HE LOOK LIKE ?
1492
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:29,901
LIKE A QUEER.
1493
01:12:29,968 --> 01:12:33,367
HE LOOKS
LIKE A QUEER.
1494
01:12:33,434 --> 01:12:35,467
YEAH, LIKE A FAG,
YOU KNOW ?
1495
01:12:35,534 --> 01:12:36,868
UH-HUH.
1496
01:12:36,934 --> 01:12:38,801
OKAY, SO,
HOW'D YOU MEET HIM ?
1497
01:12:38,868 --> 01:12:40,834
UH-HUH.
FAG ?
1498
01:12:40,901 --> 01:12:42,234
QUEER GUY ?
1499
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:44,033
WE MET HIM
AT THE BAR,
1500
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:46,634
HE ASKED WHAT WE WERE DRINKING
AND WHAT WE WERE DOING.
1501
01:12:46,701 --> 01:12:49,234
OKAY, SO, WHAT HAPPENED
AFTER YOU MET HIM ?
1502
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:52,234
He wanted
a ride home and...
1503
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:55,367
I just thought,
well, the dude's drunk,
1504
01:12:55,434 --> 01:12:57,000
let's just
take him home.
1505
01:12:57,067 --> 01:12:59,500
When did you and Russ
talk about jacking him up ?
1506
01:12:59,567 --> 01:13:01,801
We kinda talked about it
at the bar.
1507
01:13:01,868 --> 01:13:03,868
Tell me what
happened next.
1508
01:13:03,934 --> 01:13:06,300
We drove him out
past Walmart.
1509
01:13:06,367 --> 01:13:08,200
WE GOT OVER THERE
AND HE STARTS...
1510
01:13:08,267 --> 01:13:12,234
GRABBING MY LEG
AND GRABBING MY GENITALS
1511
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:16,167
I WAS LIKE, "LOOK,
I'M NOT A FUCKING FAGGOT.
1512
01:13:16,234 --> 01:13:18,234
IF YOU TOUCH ME AGAIN,
YOU'RE GONNA GET IT."
1513
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:21,901
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL
HE WAS TRYING TO DO.
1514
01:13:21,968 --> 01:13:25,500
BUT I BEAT HIM UP
PRETTY BAD.
1515
01:13:25,567 --> 01:13:28,100
I THINK I KILLED HIM.
1516
01:13:28,167 --> 01:13:30,901
WHAT DID YOU
HIT HIM WITH ?
1517
01:13:30,968 --> 01:13:32,901
I BLACKED OUT...
1518
01:13:32,968 --> 01:13:34,767
MY FIST.
1519
01:13:34,834 --> 01:13:36,367
MY PISTOL.
1520
01:13:36,434 --> 01:13:38,634
THE BUTT OF THE GUN.
1521
01:13:40,167 --> 01:13:41,400
WONDERING WHAT
HAPPENED TO ME.
1522
01:13:41,467 --> 01:13:43,100
I HAD A FEW BEERS
AND I DON'T KNOW.
1523
01:13:43,167 --> 01:13:45,367
IT'S LIKE I COULD SEE
WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT...
1524
01:13:45,434 --> 01:13:48,234
I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS LIKE
SOMEBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT.
1525
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:50,601
WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING
THAT HE SAID
1526
01:13:50,667 --> 01:13:52,033
OR THAT HE DID
INSIDE THE TRUCK
1527
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,367
THAT MADE YOU
WANT TO HIT HIM ?
1528
01:13:53,434 --> 01:13:56,767
WELL, HE PUT HIS HAND
ON MY LEG
1529
01:13:56,834 --> 01:13:59,200
AND SLID HIS HAND LIKE
HE WAS GONNA GRAB MY BALLS.
1530
01:13:59,267 --> 01:14:04,133
WHEN THAT DEFENSE TEAM ARGUED
THAT McKINNEY DID WHAT HE DID
1531
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,767
BECAUSE MATTHEW
MADE A PASS AT HIM.
1532
01:14:06,834 --> 01:14:10,000
I JUST
WANTED TO VOMIT.
1533
01:14:10,067 --> 01:14:12,934
BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE
SAYING IT'S OKAY.
1534
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,734
IT WAS DISGUSTING.
1535
01:14:14,801 --> 01:14:16,467
AND WE WERE ALL
JUST DISGUSTED.
1536
01:14:16,534 --> 01:14:18,167
IT WAS LIKE,
JUST RUDE,
1537
01:14:18,234 --> 01:14:21,033
RUDE AND THAT WAS LESS THAN
INTEGROUS BEHAVIOR
1538
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,200
AND WE WERE ALL JUST DISGUSTED
BY THAT QUALITY OF DEFENSE.
1539
01:14:23,267 --> 01:14:25,067
IT'S LIKE
THE TWINKIE DEFENSE
1540
01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:27,500
WHEN THE GUY KILLED
HARVEY MILK IN MOSCONE.
1541
01:14:27,567 --> 01:14:29,467
IT'S THE SAME THING.
1542
01:14:29,534 --> 01:14:32,500
AS MUCH AS A PART OF ME DIDN'T
WANT THE DEFENSE OF THEM SAYING
1543
01:14:32,567 --> 01:14:35,334
THAT IT WAS A GAY BASHING
OR GAY PANIC,
1544
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,934
A PART OF ME WAS
REALLY GRATEFUL.
1545
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,200
BECAUSE I WAS REALLY AFRAID
THAT IN THIS TRIAL
1546
01:14:42,267 --> 01:14:44,133
THEY WERE GONNA TRY
AND SAY THAT IT WAS A ROBBERY
1547
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,767
OR IT WAS ABOUT DRUGS.
1548
01:14:45,834 --> 01:14:48,734
SO, WHEN THEY USED
GAY PANIC AS THE DEFENSE
1549
01:14:48,801 --> 01:14:51,567
I THOUGHT,
THIS IS GOOD.
1550
01:14:51,634 --> 01:14:53,200
BECAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE,
1551
01:14:53,267 --> 01:14:55,901
THE TRUTH IS
GONNA COME OUT.
1552
01:14:55,968 --> 01:14:59,567
THE TRUTH IS
GONNA BE TOLD !
1553
01:14:59,634 --> 01:15:02,801
So, about how many times
did you hit him in the truck
1554
01:15:02,868 --> 01:15:04,934
BEFORE YOU GUYS STOPPED
WHERE YOU LEFT HIM ?
1555
01:15:05,033 --> 01:15:06,567
I'D SAY I HIT HIM
TWO OR THREE TIMES.
1556
01:15:06,634 --> 01:15:09,701
PROBABLY THREE TIMES
WITH MY FIST
1557
01:15:09,767 --> 01:15:11,868
AND ABOUT SIX TIMES
WITH THE PISTOL.
1558
01:15:11,934 --> 01:15:13,033
DID HE ASK YOU
TO STOP ?
1559
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:15,534
WELL, YEAH, HE WAS GETTING
THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF HIM.
1560
01:15:15,601 --> 01:15:16,701
WHAT'D HE SAY ?
1561
01:15:16,767 --> 01:15:19,067
AFTER HE ASKED ME
TO STOP,
1562
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:22,234
MOST ALL HE WAS DOING
WAS SCREAMING.
1563
01:15:26,167 --> 01:15:27,500
WAS MATTHEW CONSCIOUS
1564
01:15:27,567 --> 01:15:29,067
WHILE RUSSELL WAS TYING HIM
TO THE FENCE ?
1565
01:15:29,133 --> 01:15:30,701
YEAH.
1566
01:15:30,767 --> 01:15:33,434
I TOLD HIM, "TURN AROUND
AND DON'T LOOK AT
MY LICENSE PLATE NUMBER,"
1567
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:35,300
'CAUSE I WAS SCARED
HE WOULD TELL THE POLICE.
1568
01:15:35,367 --> 01:15:39,167
AND THEN, I ASKED HIM
WHAT MY LICENSE PLATE SAID
1569
01:15:39,234 --> 01:15:41,767
and he read it and that's
why I hit him a few more times.
1570
01:15:41,834 --> 01:15:43,968
Just to be sure.
1571
01:15:44,033 --> 01:15:47,634
MY SECRET HOPE WAS THAT
THEY WERE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
1572
01:15:47,701 --> 01:15:50,734
THAT THEN YOU CAN
CREATE THIS DISTANCE.
1573
01:15:50,801 --> 01:15:54,033
WE DON'T GROW CHILDREN
LIKE THAT HERE.
1574
01:15:55,868 --> 01:15:59,434
WELL, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE DO
GROW CHILDREN LIKE THAT HERE.
1575
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:01,834
SO, OBVIOUSLY,
YOU DON'T LIKE GAY PEOPLE.
1576
01:16:01,901 --> 01:16:04,133
NO, I DON'T.
1577
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,067
WOULD YOU SAY
YOU HATE THEM ?
1578
01:16:07,868 --> 01:16:10,167
NO, I REALLY
DON'T HATE THEM, BUT,
1579
01:16:10,234 --> 01:16:13,467
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY START COMI
ON TO ME AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
1580
01:16:13,534 --> 01:16:15,367
I GET PRETTY
AGGRAVATED.
1581
01:16:15,434 --> 01:16:17,467
SO, YOU'VE BEEN APPROACHED
BY GAY PEOPLE BEFORE ?
1582
01:16:17,534 --> 01:16:19,267
NO, NOT REALLY.
1583
01:16:19,334 --> 01:16:21,601
DID HE THREATEN YOU ?
1584
01:16:21,667 --> 01:16:23,767
THIS GAY DUDE ?
YEAH.
1585
01:16:23,834 --> 01:16:25,133
NO.
1586
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,567
CAN YOU ANSWER ME
ONE THING ?
1587
01:16:27,634 --> 01:16:30,601
WHY DID YOU GUYS
TAKE HIS SHOES ?
1588
01:16:30,667 --> 01:16:32,968
I DON'T KNOW.
1589
01:16:35,133 --> 01:16:38,567
I'M NEVER GONNA GET
TO SEE MY SON AGAIN ?
1590
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,734
I DON'T KNOW.
1591
01:16:48,868 --> 01:16:51,167
HE'S GONNA
DIE FOR SURE ?
1592
01:16:51,234 --> 01:16:55,200
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT
MR. SHEPARD IS GOING TO DIE.
1593
01:16:59,167 --> 01:17:00,300
SO, WHAT ARE
THEY GONNA GIVE ME,
1594
01:17:00,367 --> 01:17:01,734
25 TO LIFE ?
1595
01:17:01,801 --> 01:17:04,467
OR THE DEATH PENALTY
AND JUST GET IT OVER WITH ?
1596
01:17:04,534 --> 01:17:06,200
THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.
1597
01:17:06,267 --> 01:17:10,300
That's the job of the judge
and the jury.
1598
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,567
NOW, THE STRANGE THING IS
1599
01:17:18,634 --> 01:17:20,767
20 MINUTES BEFORE
MATTHEW WAS BROUGHT IN,
1600
01:17:20,834 --> 01:17:23,100
AARON McKINNEY,
ONE OF THE PERPETRATORS,
1601
01:17:23,167 --> 01:17:25,133
WAS BROUGHT IN
BY HIS GIRLFRIEND.
1602
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,500
WAIT, McKINNEY
WAS HERE ?
1603
01:17:27,567 --> 01:17:28,534
YEAH.
1604
01:17:28,601 --> 01:17:31,067
I GUESS HE WENT BACK INTO TOWN
LATER THAT SAME NIGHT
1605
01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:32,667
AND GOT IN A FIGHT.
1606
01:17:32,734 --> 01:17:36,334
AND SO, THERE'S AARON
ON ONE BED IN MY E.R.
1607
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,634
AND JUST A FEW BEDS DOWN
IS MATTHEW.
1608
01:17:39,701 --> 01:17:41,934
AND TWO DAYS LATER,
1609
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,934
I FOUND OUT
THE CONNECTION.
1610
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,667
HAS THE JURY
REACHED A VERDICT ?
1611
01:17:47,734 --> 01:17:50,667
WE HAVE, YOUR HONOR.
1612
01:17:52,234 --> 01:17:53,901
I WAS VERY...
1613
01:17:53,968 --> 01:17:55,767
STRUCK.
1614
01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:57,667
THERE WERE TWO KIDS,
1615
01:17:57,734 --> 01:18:01,300
THEY WERE
BOTH MY PATIENTS.
1616
01:18:01,367 --> 01:18:03,400
THEY WERE TWO KIDS.
1617
01:18:03,467 --> 01:18:05,334
I TOOK CARE
OF BOTH OF THEM.
1618
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,934
I TOOK CARE OF
BOTH THEIR BODIES.
1619
01:18:10,601 --> 01:18:12,667
AND I FELT A GREAT
DEAL OF COMPASSION
1620
01:18:12,734 --> 01:18:15,601
FOR BOTH OF THEM.
1621
01:18:16,601 --> 01:18:19,167
WE THE JURY,
IMPANELED AND SWORN
1622
01:18:19,234 --> 01:18:21,267
TO TRY THE ABOVE
ENTITLED CAUSE,
1623
01:18:21,334 --> 01:18:24,267
AFTER HAVING WELL AND TRULY
TRIED THE MATTER,
1624
01:18:24,334 --> 01:18:27,334
UNANIMOUSLY
FIND AS FOLLOWS...
1625
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,167
AS TO THE CHARGE
OF KIDNAPPING,
1626
01:18:30,234 --> 01:18:34,701
WE FIND THE DEFENDANT,
AARON JAMES McKINNEY...
1627
01:18:34,767 --> 01:18:37,167
GUILTY.
1628
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,901
AS TO THE CHARGE
OF FELONY MURDER,
1629
01:18:41,968 --> 01:18:45,834
WE FIND THE DEFENDANT,
AARON JAMES McKINNEY,
1630
01:18:45,901 --> 01:18:48,167
GUILTY.
1631
01:18:58,133 --> 01:19:00,200
The jury returns
to the courthouse today
1632
01:19:00,267 --> 01:19:01,934
to start considering
the punishment,
1633
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,734
a phase of the trial that will
probably last until next week.
1634
01:19:05,801 --> 01:19:09,267
I AM WORKING WITH McKINNEY,
COUNSELING HIM.
1635
01:19:09,334 --> 01:19:13,868
I DON'T THINK HE CAN
CONCEPTUALIZE THE GRAVITY
1636
01:19:13,934 --> 01:19:16,234
OF SOMETHING LIKE
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
1637
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:19,000
BUT YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO BE
PRAYING LIKE THE DICKENS TONIGHT
1638
01:19:19,067 --> 01:19:21,701
THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO
GO THROUGH THIS NEXT PHASE.
1639
01:19:21,767 --> 01:19:24,334
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BELIEVE
IN THE POWER OF PRAYER,
1640
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,133
BUT WOULD YOU
DO THIS FOR ME ?
1641
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,534
WOULD YOU JUST SAY
FROM TIME TO TIME,
1642
01:19:29,601 --> 01:19:32,434
"LORD, I LIFT
HIM UP TO YOU" ?
1643
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:34,634
JUST DO THAT FOR ME.
1644
01:19:34,701 --> 01:19:37,901
OF COURSE, FATHER.
1645
01:19:39,067 --> 01:19:40,601
THE SENTENCING PHASE
OF McKINNEY'S TRIAL
1646
01:19:40,667 --> 01:19:42,434
WAS TO BEGIN MOMENTARILY.
1647
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:43,567
HOWEVER...
1648
01:19:43,634 --> 01:19:45,334
now we are hearing that
Judy and Dennis Shepard
1649
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,167
have been approached
by McKinney's defense team,
1650
01:19:47,234 --> 01:19:49,133
who plead for
their client's life.
1651
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,701
We understand
Mr. Shepard may approach
the court this morning.
1652
01:20:04,934 --> 01:20:07,367
( clearing throat )
1653
01:20:13,801 --> 01:20:15,434
MY SON, MATTHEW,
1654
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:17,934
DID NOT LOOK
LIKE A WINNER.
1655
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,834
HE WAS RATHER
UNCOORDINATED
1656
01:20:20,901 --> 01:20:25,434
AND WORE BRACES FROM THE AGE
OF 13 UNTIL THE DAY HE DIED.
1657
01:20:26,801 --> 01:20:29,767
HOWEVER, IN HIS
ALL TOO BRIEF LIFE,
1658
01:20:29,834 --> 01:20:32,000
HE PROVED THAT
HE WAS A WINNER.
1659
01:20:32,067 --> 01:20:35,267
ON OCTOBER 6th, 1998,
1660
01:20:35,334 --> 01:20:38,367
MY SON TRIED TO SHOW THE WORLD
THAT HE COULD WIN AGAIN.
1661
01:20:38,434 --> 01:20:42,067
ON OCTOBER 12th, 1998,
1662
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:45,234
MY FIRSTBORN SON
1663
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,601
AND MY HERO, LOST.
1664
01:20:49,701 --> 01:20:51,801
ON OCTOBER 12th, 1998,
1665
01:20:51,868 --> 01:20:56,567
MY FIRSTBORN SON
AND MY HERO, DIED.
1666
01:20:59,434 --> 01:21:02,767
50 DAYS BEFORE
HIS 22nd BIRTHDAY.
1667
01:21:05,367 --> 01:21:08,100
I KEEP WONDERING THE SAME THING
THAT I DID WHEN I FIRST SAW HIM
1668
01:21:08,167 --> 01:21:09,834
IN THE HOSPITAL.
1669
01:21:09,901 --> 01:21:12,434
WHAT WOULD
HE HAVE BECOME ?
1670
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:16,067
HOW COULD HE HAVE CHANGED
HIS PIECE OF THE WORLD
1671
01:21:16,133 --> 01:21:18,334
TO MAKE IT BETTER ?
1672
01:21:19,567 --> 01:21:21,534
MATT OFFICIALLY
DIED IN A HOSPITAL
1673
01:21:21,601 --> 01:21:23,500
IN FORT COLLINS,
COLORADO.
1674
01:21:23,567 --> 01:21:27,434
HE ACTUALLY DIED
ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF LARAMIE,
1675
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:30,868
TIED TO A FENCE.
1676
01:21:32,834 --> 01:21:35,834
YOU, MR. McKINNEY,
WITH YOUR FRIEND,
1677
01:21:35,901 --> 01:21:37,267
MR. HENDERSON,
1678
01:21:37,334 --> 01:21:39,534
LEFT HIM THERE
BY HIMSELF.
1679
01:21:39,601 --> 01:21:43,267
BUT HE WAS NOT ALONE.
1680
01:21:44,901 --> 01:21:48,200
THERE WERE HIS
LIFELONG FRIENDS WITH HIM.
1681
01:21:49,367 --> 01:21:52,033
FRIENDS THAT
HE HAD GROWN UP WITH.
1682
01:21:53,467 --> 01:21:56,767
YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING
WHO THESE FRIENDS WERE.
1683
01:21:58,834 --> 01:22:00,634
FIRST, HE HAD
THE BEAUTIFUL NIGHT SKY
1684
01:22:00,701 --> 01:22:02,567
AND THE SAME
STARS AND MOON
1685
01:22:02,634 --> 01:22:04,901
WE USED TO SEE
THROUGH A TELESCOPE.
1686
01:22:05,734 --> 01:22:10,467
THEN, HE HAD THE DAYLIGHT
AND THE SUN TO SHINE ON HIM.
1687
01:22:11,934 --> 01:22:13,868
AND THROUGH IT ALL,
1688
01:22:13,934 --> 01:22:16,500
HE WAS BREATHING IN
THE SCENT OF THE PINE TREES
1689
01:22:16,567 --> 01:22:19,000
FROM THE SNOWY RANGE.
1690
01:22:19,067 --> 01:22:22,167
HE HEARD THE WIND.
1691
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,834
THE EVER-PRESENT WYOMING WIND
FOR THE LAST TIME.
1692
01:22:29,601 --> 01:22:33,000
HE HAD ONE MORE FRIEND
WITH HIM.
1693
01:22:33,067 --> 01:22:35,934
HE HAD GOD.
1694
01:22:38,734 --> 01:22:41,968
AND I FEEL BETTER
KNOWING HE WASN'T ALONE.
1695
01:22:44,167 --> 01:22:46,968
MATT'S BEATING,
HOSPITALIZATION AND FUNERAL
1696
01:22:47,033 --> 01:22:49,567
FOCUSED WORLDWIDE
ATTENTION ON HATE.
1697
01:22:49,634 --> 01:22:53,367
GOOD IS COMING
OUT OF EVIL.
1698
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,567
PEOPLE HAVE SAID,
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH."
1699
01:22:59,167 --> 01:23:00,901
I MISS MY SON,
1700
01:23:00,968 --> 01:23:05,033
BUT I'M PROUD TO BE ABLE
TO SAY THAT HE WAS MY SON.
1701
01:23:07,033 --> 01:23:11,033
JUDY HAS BEEN QUOTED AS BEING
AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY.
1702
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:15,734
IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT MATT
WAS AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY.
1703
01:23:15,801 --> 01:23:19,300
BOTH OF THESE STATEMENTS
ARE WRONG.
1704
01:23:19,367 --> 01:23:23,467
I TOO BELIEVE
IN THE DEATH PENALTY.
1705
01:23:25,267 --> 01:23:27,200
I WOULD LIKE
NOTHING BETTER
1706
01:23:27,267 --> 01:23:29,734
THAN TO SEE YOU DIE,
MR. McKINNEY.
1707
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:40,801
HOWEVER,
1708
01:23:40,868 --> 01:23:44,067
THIS IS THE TIME TO BEGIN
THE HEALING PROCESS...
1709
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,133
TO SHOW MERCY TO SOMEONE
WHO REFUSED TO SHOW ANY MERCY.
1710
01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:02,868
MR. McKINNEY,
1711
01:24:02,934 --> 01:24:05,968
I AM GOING
TO GRANT YOU LIFE
1712
01:24:06,033 --> 01:24:11,667
AS HARD AS IT IS TO DO SO,
BECAUSE OF MATTHEW.
1713
01:24:12,934 --> 01:24:15,234
EVERY TIME YOU
CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS,
1714
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,200
A BIRTHDAY,
THE 4th OF JULY,
1715
01:24:18,267 --> 01:24:20,367
REMEMBER THAT MATT ISN'T.
1716
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,400
EVERY TIME YOU WAKE UP
IN YOUR PRISON CELL,
1717
01:24:24,467 --> 01:24:26,234
REMEMBER YOU
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
1718
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:31,133
AND THE ABILITY TO STOP
YOUR ACTIONS THAT NIGHT.
1719
01:24:33,334 --> 01:24:35,100
YOU ROBBED ME OF
SOMETHING VERY PRECIOUS
1720
01:24:35,167 --> 01:24:38,000
AND I WILL NEVER
FORGIVE YOU FOR THAT.
1721
01:24:42,968 --> 01:24:44,968
MR. McKINNEY,
1722
01:24:45,033 --> 01:24:47,500
I GIVE YOU LIFE
1723
01:24:47,567 --> 01:24:50,767
IN THE MEMORY OF SOMEONE
1724
01:24:50,834 --> 01:24:53,434
WHO NO LONGER LIVES.
1725
01:24:55,267 --> 01:24:57,033
MAY YOU HAVE A LONG LIFE
1726
01:24:57,100 --> 01:25:01,400
AND MAY YOU THANK
MATTHEW EVERY DAY FOR IT.
1727
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,400
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1728
01:25:17,834 --> 01:25:20,000
MR. McKINNEY, YOU WILL BE
REMANDED TO THE CUSTODY
1729
01:25:20,067 --> 01:25:21,734
OF THE ALBANY COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
1730
01:25:21,801 --> 01:25:24,701
PENDING TRANSPORTATION
TO THE STATE PENITENTIARY.
1731
01:25:24,767 --> 01:25:26,567
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
1732
01:25:26,634 --> 01:25:28,133
THAT CONCLUDES
THIS MATTER.
1733
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,067
( pounding gavel )
1734
01:25:31,601 --> 01:25:34,701
( chattering )
1735
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:49,234
I HOPE WHEN YOU THINK
OF THIS TOWN,
1736
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:51,400
YOU CAN SEE SOMETHING ELSE
THAN JUST A CRIME.
1737
01:25:51,467 --> 01:25:54,667
AND UNDERSTAND
WHY WE LOVE IT SO MUCH.
1738
01:25:56,234 --> 01:25:58,367
I THINK I'M JUST REALLY GLAD
THAT IT'S OVER.
1739
01:25:58,434 --> 01:25:59,601
I REALLY AM.
1740
01:25:59,667 --> 01:26:01,367
TESTIFYING
IN THIS TRIAL
1741
01:26:01,434 --> 01:26:03,200
HAS BEEN ONE OF
THE HARDEST THINGS
1742
01:26:03,267 --> 01:26:04,934
I'VE EVER HAD TO DO
IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
1743
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,367
DON'T GET ME WRONG,
I LOVE THE STAGE,
1744
01:26:07,434 --> 01:26:09,133
I'M A NATURAL FOR IT,
I LOVE IT.
1745
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,300
BUT THE ACTUAL TESTIFYING
IS REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT.
1746
01:26:12,367 --> 01:26:14,200
'CAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS
YOU HAVE THE LAWYERS
1747
01:26:14,267 --> 01:26:15,701
WHO ARE ASKING
YOU QUESTIONS.
1748
01:26:15,767 --> 01:26:17,634
SO, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE
COMING AT YOU IN THIS AVENUE
1749
01:26:17,701 --> 01:26:21,000
BUT THEN, YOU HAVE TO
FUNNEL THEM OVER
TOWARDS THE JURY.
1750
01:26:21,067 --> 01:26:23,234
SO, YOU FUNNEL THEM OVER THERE
AND WHAT YOU END UP WITH
1751
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:25,767
IS BASICALLY, YOU HAVE
A FUNNELING SYSTEM.
1752
01:26:25,834 --> 01:26:28,000
RIGHT ?
1753
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:33,000
AFTER TAKING THE ATZ
FOR SIX MONTHS,
1754
01:26:33,067 --> 01:26:34,667
I WAS ABLE
TO GET A DNA TEST.
1755
01:26:34,734 --> 01:26:36,801
AND IT WAS...
1756
01:26:36,868 --> 01:26:38,267
ABOUT A WEEK LATER.
1757
01:26:38,334 --> 01:26:42,534
THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT
THAT I WAS NEGATIVE FOR GOOD.
1758
01:26:42,601 --> 01:26:44,334
OH, WOW,
THANK GOD.
1759
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,601
THAT'S GREAT.
1760
01:26:45,667 --> 01:26:48,567
I TELL YOU,
WE WERE ALL ON OUR KNEES
SAYING "HAIL MARY'S".
1761
01:26:48,634 --> 01:26:50,434
YOU KNOW,
YOU'RE JUST SO ELATED.
1762
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:52,167
WE WERE REALLY HAPPY.
1763
01:26:52,234 --> 01:26:53,801
SO, WHAT'S THE FIRST THING
SHE DOES ?
1764
01:26:53,868 --> 01:26:56,033
I STUCK MY TONGUE RIGHT
IN MY HUSBAND'S MOUTH.
1765
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:58,601
WHAT ABOUT
YOUR DAUGHTERS ?
1766
01:26:58,667 --> 01:27:00,500
OH, MAN, THE GIRLS,
THEY JUST BAWLED.
1767
01:27:00,567 --> 01:27:02,500
THEY WERE JUST
SO HAPPY.
1768
01:27:02,567 --> 01:27:04,767
AND THE FORCE.
OH, BOY.
1769
01:27:04,834 --> 01:27:06,033
WE WENT OUT
AND GOT
1770
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:07,601
( together )
SHIT-FACED.
1771
01:27:07,667 --> 01:27:10,667
I JUST KISSED EVERYBODY
WHO CAME THROUGH THAT DOOR.
1772
01:27:10,734 --> 01:27:12,200
REGGIE, THEY DON'T
NEED TO KNOW THAT.
1773
01:27:12,267 --> 01:27:13,901
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT
WAS A MALE OR A FEMALE,
1774
01:27:13,968 --> 01:27:15,500
I DIDN'T CARE,
I KISSED THEM
RIGHT ON THE LIPS.
1775
01:27:15,567 --> 01:27:18,334
WHAT PART OF WHAT I JUST SAID
DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ?
1776
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,033
MOM, I HAVE
ALREADY KISSED THEM.
1777
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:22,434
( laughing )
1778
01:27:31,467 --> 01:27:33,500
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME
HAVING KNOWN MATTHEW,
1779
01:27:33,567 --> 01:27:37,133
WHAT STORY HE WOULD
WANT TOLD ABOUT THIS.
1780
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,567
WE WON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND
WHAT HAPPENED HERE
1781
01:27:40,634 --> 01:27:44,467
UNTIL TIME HAS HAD A CHANCE
TO FILTER THAT OUT FOR US.
1782
01:27:44,534 --> 01:27:46,234
WHAT HAPPENED HERE,
1783
01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:48,467
THE CULTURE,
THE COST OF THIS,
1784
01:27:48,534 --> 01:27:50,601
THE COMPLEX SET OF EVENTS
LEADING UP TO IT.
1785
01:27:50,667 --> 01:27:55,133
IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE US
TRYING TO STOP A TANK.
1786
01:28:01,901 --> 01:28:04,400
CHANGE IS NOT
AN EASY THING,
1787
01:28:04,467 --> 01:28:06,367
AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE
WERE UP TO IT HERE.
1788
01:28:06,434 --> 01:28:09,067
THEY GOT
WHAT THEY WANTED.
1789
01:28:09,133 --> 01:28:10,934
THOSE TWO BOYS
GOT WHAT THEY DESERVE,
1790
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,133
AND WE LOOK GOOD NOW.
1791
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,701
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR
SINCE MATTHEW SHEPARD DIED,
1792
01:28:16,767 --> 01:28:19,968
AND THEY HAVEN'T
PASSED SHIT IN WYOMING.
1793
01:28:20,033 --> 01:28:22,601
THEY HAVEN'T PASSED IT
AT A STATE LEVEL,
1794
01:28:22,667 --> 01:28:24,467
ANY TOWN,
1795
01:28:24,534 --> 01:28:28,000
ANYBODY ANYWHERE,
HAS PASSED ANY KIND OF LAWS.
1796
01:28:28,067 --> 01:28:30,801
ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS
1797
01:28:30,868 --> 01:28:33,100
OR HATE-CRIME
LEGISLATION,
1798
01:28:33,167 --> 01:28:34,901
NOBODY HAS PASSED
1799
01:28:34,968 --> 01:28:37,500
ANYTHING ANYWHERE.
1800
01:28:37,567 --> 01:28:41,534
WHAT'S COME OUT OF IT ?
1801
01:28:42,567 --> 01:28:46,968
WHAT'S COME OUT OF IT
THAT'S CONCRETE AND LASTING ?
1802
01:28:48,234 --> 01:28:50,300
THE DEAD WILL
BE COMMEMORATED
1803
01:28:50,367 --> 01:28:52,767
AND WILL STRUGGLE ON
WITH THE LIVING,
1804
01:28:52,834 --> 01:28:57,334
AND WE ARE
NOT GOING AWAY.
1805
01:28:58,133 --> 01:29:00,500
WE WON'T DIE
SECRET DEATHS ANYMORE.
1806
01:29:00,567 --> 01:29:04,367
THE WORLD ONLY
SPINS FORWARD.
1807
01:29:05,801 --> 01:29:10,133
WE WILL BE CITIZENS.
1808
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,467
THE TIME HAS COME.
1809
01:29:23,367 --> 01:29:24,968
BYE, NOW.
1810
01:29:32,634 --> 01:29:34,567
HAVE YOU EVER
GONE OUT TO THE FENCE ?
1811
01:29:34,634 --> 01:29:36,467
UH-HUH.
1812
01:29:37,968 --> 01:29:39,968
I DROVE UP TO THE SITE
IN MY LIMOUSINE.
1813
01:29:40,033 --> 01:29:41,267
AND...
1814
01:29:41,334 --> 01:29:43,267
SEE, I REMEMBERED
SOMETHING MYSELF,
1815
01:29:43,334 --> 01:29:45,200
THE NIGHT HE AND I
DROVE AROUND TOGETHER,
1816
01:29:45,267 --> 01:29:47,567
HE SAID, "LARAMIE SPARKLES,
DOESN'T IT ?"
1817
01:29:47,634 --> 01:29:50,934
AND WHERE HE WAS
IN THAT SPOT UP THERE,
1818
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,667
IF YOU SIT EXACTLY
IN THAT SPOT UP THERE,
1819
01:29:53,734 --> 01:29:56,067
LARAMIE SPARKLES
FROM THERE.
1820
01:29:56,133 --> 01:29:58,167
WITH THE LOW
LYINCLOUDS, IT'S...
1821
01:29:58,234 --> 01:30:01,400
IT'S THE BLUE LIGHTS
THAT'S BOUNCING OFF THE CLOUDS
1822
01:30:01,467 --> 01:30:03,067
FROM THE AIRPORT,
1823
01:30:03,133 --> 01:30:07,767
AND IT GOES
TST, TST, TST,
1824
01:30:07,834 --> 01:30:09,601
OVER THE WHOLE CITY.
1825
01:30:09,667 --> 01:30:11,434
I MEAN...
1826
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:15,234
I MEAN,
IT BLOWS YOU AWAY.
1827
01:30:16,567 --> 01:30:18,534
AND MATT WAS RIGHT THERE
IN THAT SPOT.
1828
01:30:18,601 --> 01:30:21,968
AND I CAN JUST PICTURE
IN HIS EYES,
1829
01:30:22,033 --> 01:30:26,167
I CAN PICTURE
WHAT HE WAS SEEING.
1830
01:30:27,601 --> 01:30:30,734
AND THE LAST THING
THAT HE SAW ON THIS EARTH
1831
01:30:30,801 --> 01:30:35,534
WAS E SPARKLING LIGHTS
OF LARAMIE, WYOMING.
1832
01:30:52,934 --> 01:30:56,300
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1833
01:30:56,367 --> 01:31:00,534
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1834
01:31:01,267 --> 01:31:05,567
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