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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,358 --> 00:00:27,395 - 77th is only 12 square miles. 2 00:00:27,595 --> 00:00:31,332 It has over 400 churches, but historically 3 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:35,703 it has the highest homicide rate in the entire city. 4 00:00:37,105 --> 00:00:40,141 You're either aligned by circumstances 5 00:00:40,341 --> 00:00:43,377 or aligned by choice, but you are aligned 6 00:00:43,577 --> 00:00:45,546 based on the neighborhood. 7 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:49,583 You have those friends that you grew up with since 8 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:52,636 elementary school, those four friends are gone. 9 00:00:52,836 --> 00:00:55,689 Three of them are dead, and one is in life without 10 00:00:55,889 --> 00:00:59,193 possibility of parole in the penitentiary. 11 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,163 We all have to be educated regarding 12 00:01:02,363 --> 00:01:03,731 this crime called murder. 13 00:01:03,931 --> 00:01:05,733 We can't put it into the gang banger, 14 00:01:05,933 --> 00:01:06,800 we can't put it into drugs, 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,351 we can't say it domestic violence, 16 00:01:08,551 --> 00:01:09,703 no it needs to stand on it's own. 17 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:11,805 You don't have to add anything additional to it 18 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:13,975 like robbery, or anything like that. 19 00:01:14,175 --> 00:01:16,076 It should be murder, and murder should be considered 20 00:01:16,276 --> 00:01:18,579 the worst crime of all. 21 00:01:18,779 --> 00:01:20,714 - Homicide requires character. 22 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:23,284 It's not just goin' and arrestin' bad guys. 23 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:26,470 This job can be very tough, and can be very painful. 24 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:29,657 The main thing I think that makes us so effective 25 00:01:29,857 --> 00:01:33,727 in this part of the city is the bond between 26 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:35,663 the detectives that work homicide, 27 00:01:35,863 --> 00:01:39,267 specifically homicide, and the community. 28 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:38,559 - Yes, this is Sal. 29 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:42,430 Sure. 30 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:45,666 Where at? 31 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:50,037 Is the body still at the scene? 32 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:56,977 Okay, I'm just yeah, I'm in bed, so just driving time. 33 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,013 Let me get ready. 34 00:02:59,213 --> 00:03:01,148 All right, see you guys. 35 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:21,685 I've been touched by probably at least 7,000 homicide 36 00:03:21,885 --> 00:03:25,764 investigations, whether they are cases I responded to, 37 00:03:25,964 --> 00:03:29,843 cases I handled, cases where I've answered a telephone, 38 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:32,512 cases that have been discussed within my office. 39 00:03:32,712 --> 00:03:35,182 So basically I look at it, as a homicide detective, 40 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:37,351 the units I've been assigned to, 41 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:41,221 we've handled a little over 7,000 homicides. 42 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:47,395 When that phone rings, whether it be for myself, or 43 00:03:47,595 --> 00:03:48,962 especially the investigators that are 44 00:03:49,162 --> 00:03:50,431 handling a particular case, 45 00:03:50,631 --> 00:03:53,100 there is that frustrating sense that 46 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:55,236 one murder is one too many. 47 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:58,939 One murder just effects hundreds of lives, 48 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:02,009 whether it be the victim's families, 49 00:04:02,209 --> 00:04:05,245 the detective's families, the neighborhood, 50 00:04:05,445 --> 00:04:08,465 the community, the news media, the churches, 51 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:11,485 the hospitals, there's so many lives effected 52 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:15,856 with the loss of one person through violent death. 53 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,306 So when that gun shot rings out, 54 00:04:32,506 --> 00:04:37,111 when that two inches that could have saved a life, 55 00:04:37,311 --> 00:04:41,782 or taken a life, happens, there's that frustrating part 56 00:04:41,982 --> 00:04:44,552 of, "Wow, we've done so much, and 57 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,257 "people still have this violent streak, 58 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:52,893 "or this, why are these two gangs goin' at it, 59 00:04:53,093 --> 00:04:55,463 "why is this person goin' out 60 00:04:55,663 --> 00:04:58,899 "committing a robbery, and a shooting?" 61 00:05:06,006 --> 00:05:08,241 I hate when people say, "He was in the wrong place 62 00:05:08,441 --> 00:05:09,743 "at the wrong time. 63 00:05:09,943 --> 00:05:12,896 "She was in the wrong place at the wrong time." 64 00:05:13,096 --> 00:05:16,049 There's no wrong place, and there's no wrong time. 65 00:05:32,032 --> 00:05:34,435 Unless you're committing a robbery, and you're in a bank, 66 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,170 and you get shot, well guess what, 67 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:38,506 you were in the wrong place, at the wrong time, 68 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:39,807 because you were doin' somethin' bad. 69 00:05:40,007 --> 00:05:42,976 You send your child off to school, you don't expect 70 00:05:43,176 --> 00:05:45,513 him or her to get caught up in the cross-fire 71 00:05:45,713 --> 00:05:46,680 of a shootout. 72 00:05:51,585 --> 00:05:53,937 Your husband goes off to work, and is driving home 73 00:05:54,137 --> 00:05:56,490 at 1:00, 2:30 in the morning, workin' three jobs, 74 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,392 and you don't expect him to get caught up in 75 00:05:59,592 --> 00:06:02,295 a robbery gone bad where that person gets shot. 76 00:06:07,601 --> 00:06:09,703 They're not in the wrong place, at the wrong time, 77 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:12,640 that's where they're suppose to be. 78 00:06:56,884 --> 00:06:59,253 People often ask, myself or other detectives are 79 00:06:59,453 --> 00:07:03,090 always asked the question, "What's your most memorable 80 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:06,927 "case, what's the most violent case, what case stands out 81 00:07:07,127 --> 00:07:09,096 "with you over the years?" 82 00:07:10,363 --> 00:07:12,733 It's difficult, at least for myself to answer, 83 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:15,936 and maybe it's because the many years that I've spent here, 84 00:07:16,136 --> 00:07:19,973 the many years that I've seen so much violence in 85 00:07:20,173 --> 00:07:22,009 such short periods of time. 86 00:07:22,209 --> 00:07:26,279 I've seen everything, decapitations, mutilations, 87 00:07:27,414 --> 00:07:30,250 shootings, stabbings, all kind a deaths, 88 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:33,420 all kind a manner a deaths, and it's not really 89 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:37,024 the gruesome ones particularly that stand out, 90 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:40,861 it may be the people involved, maybe the victims, 91 00:07:41,061 --> 00:07:44,698 maybe the day, location, or the time of the year. 92 00:08:01,448 --> 00:08:04,885 If you put the 80s and 90s in context in Los Angeles, 93 00:08:05,085 --> 00:08:08,522 we averaged 1,100 homicides a year in the City of LA. 94 00:08:08,722 --> 00:08:11,024 The large portion of those were in south LA. 95 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:13,727 We had a police department that was about 8,000 officers, 96 00:08:13,927 --> 00:08:16,279 so we weren't staffed as heavily as we are now. 97 00:08:16,479 --> 00:08:19,074 And everything we did was about suppression. 98 00:08:19,274 --> 00:08:21,869 Years ago, there's no way I ever would have 99 00:08:22,069 --> 00:08:25,138 dealt with the police department. 100 00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:29,710 Back then, the police was a little bit more aggressive. 101 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:32,362 Far as, they'll do anything to you they want to. 102 00:08:32,562 --> 00:08:34,815 Pull you over, talk shit to you, cuss you out, 103 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:38,018 hit you upside the head, whatever they wanted to do to you. 104 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:42,189 And this is a community under siege with drugs and 105 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:47,595 gangs and murder, and we have the worse police force 106 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:52,399 in our communities, tryin' to kill it. 107 00:08:52,599 --> 00:08:54,117 They weren't tryin' to fix it, 108 00:08:54,317 --> 00:08:55,636 they weren't tryin' to arrest it, 109 00:08:55,836 --> 00:08:59,773 they were tryin' to suppress it by any means necessary. 110 00:08:59,973 --> 00:09:01,374 In the 80s we would do what was referred to as 111 00:09:01,574 --> 00:09:03,193 an Operation Hammer. 112 00:09:03,393 --> 00:09:04,812 A Hammer Task Force. 113 00:09:05,012 --> 00:09:08,115 And we were bringin' 2 to 300 extra police officers 114 00:09:08,315 --> 00:09:10,050 on a Friday or Saturday night in south LA, 115 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:11,985 tryin' to do somethin' to stop the violence. 116 00:09:12,185 --> 00:09:13,387 And they stereotype you real quick. 117 00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:15,839 All you gotta do is be walkin' down the street, 118 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:18,291 one or two people, and they gonna pull you over, 119 00:09:18,491 --> 00:09:20,427 an run your name, find out where you at 120 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:21,429 and what you're doin'. 121 00:09:21,629 --> 00:09:23,831 And if you slip up and say you in a gang, 122 00:09:24,031 --> 00:09:26,033 they gonna mark you down on that little card 123 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:29,286 and you'll be labeled a gang member from then on in. 124 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:32,539 It was somewhat effective, but what we didn't see 125 00:09:32,739 --> 00:09:34,875 at the time, that suppression model, 126 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:36,644 alienated the community. 127 00:09:36,844 --> 00:09:40,247 As a citizen in between the two, 128 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:42,149 there was no place for me. 129 00:09:42,349 --> 00:09:43,917 They were gonna do what they were gonna do, 130 00:09:44,117 --> 00:09:45,352 whether I liked it or not. 131 00:09:45,552 --> 00:09:49,222 And the street was gonna fight back against them, 132 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:50,791 whether I liked it or not. 133 00:09:50,991 --> 00:09:54,010 So they were butting heads with each other. 134 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:57,030 We didn't see the long-term impact of that, 135 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:59,299 so when Rodney King happened, we had no support, 136 00:09:59,499 --> 00:10:01,368 we had no relationships. 137 00:10:01,568 --> 00:10:03,904 He wasn't a member of this nightmare. 138 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:07,007 He wasn't a participant in this nightmare. 139 00:10:07,207 --> 00:10:09,643 But they beat him like he was. 140 00:10:09,843 --> 00:10:12,445 They beat him like he was a gang member 141 00:10:12,645 --> 00:10:14,548 they were tryin' to suppress. 142 00:10:14,748 --> 00:10:17,517 And so having lived through all of the 80s 143 00:10:17,717 --> 00:10:19,386 and into the 90s and seeing that, 144 00:10:19,586 --> 00:10:22,890 now everything I do, is based on my partnership 145 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:24,592 with people in this community. 146 00:10:24,792 --> 00:10:28,228 And with those partnerships, we see a reduction in violence, 147 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:30,363 we see a tremendous increase in trust 148 00:10:30,563 --> 00:10:31,965 in the police department. 149 00:10:32,165 --> 00:10:36,036 And with that increase in trust, the relations get 150 00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:37,571 stronger, and stronger, and stronger. 151 00:10:37,771 --> 00:10:39,106 It's like anywhere else, it's like a family 152 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:41,074 or anything else, it works. 153 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:45,278 We went from a nightmare, to newness, 154 00:10:45,478 --> 00:10:48,415 to the possibility of greater. 155 00:10:48,615 --> 00:10:50,350 So are we done, no, no. 156 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,340 Last week, pretty amazing week, Glodster, Moore, 157 00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:59,960 Butterworth, Cafgan and Turvy arrested a guy 158 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,163 on 198 and Main for the murder of a... 159 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:04,865 They coulda been anything else, 160 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:06,817 you coulda been in robbery, 161 00:11:07,017 --> 00:11:08,569 you coulda been somethin' else, 162 00:11:08,769 --> 00:11:11,504 but to decide that you're gonna be a homicide detective, 163 00:11:11,704 --> 00:11:12,840 that takes a lot on. 164 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,859 As far as our numbers, our three respective divisions, 165 00:11:16,059 --> 00:11:18,879 is down about 19% in murders, so that's real good. 166 00:11:19,079 --> 00:11:20,180 Last year was a good year, 167 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:22,115 this year it looks like they might even be better. 168 00:11:22,315 --> 00:11:23,984 You don't even have a clue who I am. 169 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:25,452 You don't know my child. 170 00:11:25,652 --> 00:11:26,586 But you're willing to take a chance 171 00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:28,055 to find out who killed him. 172 00:11:28,255 --> 00:11:29,389 Doug. 173 00:11:29,589 --> 00:11:31,391 Hey, I just want to think about yesterday to meet with 174 00:11:31,591 --> 00:11:34,694 that family in southwest, that was really nice. 175 00:11:34,894 --> 00:11:36,663 That lady drove all the way down to Vegas, 176 00:11:36,863 --> 00:11:38,899 that murder occurred 17 years ago, 177 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:40,767 and we met with her yesterday, 178 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:42,435 she just wanted to thank them, 179 00:11:42,635 --> 00:11:44,337 even though the case isn't even solved, 180 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:47,775 just for the diligence since they've worked on the case. 181 00:11:47,975 --> 00:11:49,142 That says a lot. 182 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:51,879 The attributes that are best to have as a homicide 183 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,447 investigator is the passion for the job, 184 00:11:54,647 --> 00:11:56,183 and the passion for the people. 185 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:59,286 The knowledge will come about crime scene management, 186 00:11:59,486 --> 00:12:01,221 about crime scene investigation, 187 00:12:01,421 --> 00:12:04,792 interrogation law, writing search warrants, 188 00:12:04,992 --> 00:12:06,660 all those things can be taught. 189 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:09,079 What can't be taught is the passion for the job, 190 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,498 and the love of the people and the love of the job 191 00:12:11,698 --> 00:12:13,500 and why you're doing it. 192 00:12:15,102 --> 00:12:15,736 How you doin'? 193 00:12:15,936 --> 00:12:17,004 - What you doin' Bull? 194 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:18,906 Actually you said you was on my son's case. 195 00:12:19,106 --> 00:12:19,907 - How you all doin' today? 196 00:12:20,107 --> 00:12:20,774 Hey, how you doin'? 197 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:21,508 - Come here. 198 00:12:21,708 --> 00:12:22,776 - Hey sister, how are you? 199 00:12:22,976 --> 00:12:24,144 He worked on, when my son, my son was killed. 200 00:12:24,344 --> 00:12:25,545 Murder, ya'll helped me, 'member? 201 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:26,379 Yes, of course. 202 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:27,648 - Today his birthday. 203 00:12:27,848 --> 00:12:28,765 Yeah, I saw that. 204 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:29,683 Yeah. 205 00:12:29,883 --> 00:12:31,051 How ya doin'? 206 00:12:31,251 --> 00:12:32,385 So when I look at selecting people for homicide, 207 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:33,753 I'm looking at what's at their core, 208 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:35,122 what's motivating them. 209 00:12:35,322 --> 00:12:37,190 They're just passin' through here tryin' to check a box, 210 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:39,259 say, "Hey I worked homicide for a couple years" and move on, 211 00:12:39,459 --> 00:12:40,493 although that may work, 212 00:12:40,693 --> 00:12:42,963 that's not the ideal homicide investigator. 213 00:12:43,163 --> 00:12:45,265 The ideal homicide investigator is someone who looks at it 214 00:12:45,465 --> 00:12:47,267 and knows it's a calling. 215 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:48,969 It's something that they wanna do, 216 00:12:49,169 --> 00:12:51,404 they're not doing it for any reason or short period of time. 217 00:12:51,604 --> 00:12:54,041 This is what is in their DNA. 218 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:55,542 Ya'll work so hard, people don't know, 219 00:12:55,742 --> 00:12:58,511 ya'll go home and ya'll take this with ya'll. 220 00:12:58,711 --> 00:13:00,413 Ya'll make it personal. 221 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:02,683 And I love ya'll for that. 222 00:13:02,883 --> 00:13:04,217 Well thank you. 223 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:05,618 Ya'll work so hard, people never tell ya'll thank you. 224 00:13:05,818 --> 00:13:06,353 Oh, thank you. 225 00:13:06,553 --> 00:13:07,821 - The victims, we the victims. 226 00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:08,656 You're right. 227 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:10,223 - You know, the family. 228 00:13:10,423 --> 00:13:11,158 I love ya'll. 229 00:13:11,358 --> 00:13:12,359 Thank you. 230 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,526 Ya'll keep up the good work here. 231 00:13:13,726 --> 00:13:14,327 Okay sister, 232 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:15,829 we'll talk to ya. 233 00:13:16,029 --> 00:13:18,398 In some aspects, being a homicide detective here 234 00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:20,566 is the same as it is anywhere else in the country. 235 00:13:20,766 --> 00:13:22,735 They interview witnesses, they process evidence, 236 00:13:22,935 --> 00:13:24,504 and they chase leads. 237 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:26,306 But, 238 00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:30,543 the great success that we've had in south LA, 239 00:13:30,743 --> 00:13:33,479 in south bureau, has been the fact that we're workin' 240 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,899 extraordinarily hard to build relationships in this 241 00:13:37,099 --> 00:13:40,320 community that are influenced by gang violence. 242 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:45,926 All these gangs'll have a hood day every once in awhile. 243 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:47,460 Which is like the day they, 244 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,030 lands on a certain day of the month that coincides with 245 00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:52,632 the number of the street they're on, or whatever 246 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:53,834 the case may be. 247 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:57,204 And 40s had a hood day recently and had a little party, 248 00:13:57,404 --> 00:13:58,739 and drink and whatever. 249 00:13:58,939 --> 00:14:01,341 And one guy ran through a gun, they got that guy. 250 00:14:01,541 --> 00:14:03,944 And then they had about 30 other guys jammed up 251 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:05,845 along this driveway over here, 252 00:14:06,045 --> 00:14:07,514 this blue apartment, 253 00:14:08,415 --> 00:14:09,649 blue home here. 254 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:12,419 Right down that driveway. 255 00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:14,754 So everybody's compliant, we had 'em lined up 256 00:14:14,954 --> 00:14:17,090 all the way down the right side of this driveway, 257 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:18,525 and they had three racks a ribs, 258 00:14:18,725 --> 00:14:22,963 three or four big racks a ribs on the grill. 259 00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:24,297 So like I said, I ain't sittin' around 260 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:26,566 their ribs are gonna burn, so I ended up cookin', 261 00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:27,735 I cooked their ribs for awhile. 262 00:14:27,935 --> 00:14:29,970 Everybody running their hands through warrants. 263 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,387 I took 'em off the grill. 264 00:14:31,587 --> 00:14:32,605 They were bein' cooperative, 265 00:14:32,805 --> 00:14:35,542 I couldn't see lettin' their ribs burn for nothin'. 266 00:14:35,742 --> 00:14:36,576 They offered me some. 267 00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:37,811 I said, "Oh come on, all you big guys, 268 00:14:38,011 --> 00:14:41,714 "polish all these ribs off in a half a second." 269 00:14:42,815 --> 00:14:44,417 What's up guys, what're you eatin' there? 270 00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:46,553 Hot cheetos. 271 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:48,188 Where's the soda? 272 00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:52,292 You don't need it, not with those hot cheetos? 273 00:14:52,492 --> 00:14:52,926 All right. 274 00:14:53,126 --> 00:14:53,761 - All right man. 275 00:14:53,961 --> 00:14:55,728 - All right, be good. 276 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,638 For awhile we were deployed down here for quite a bit. 277 00:15:05,838 --> 00:15:06,907 Then they moved us to 77th. 278 00:15:07,107 --> 00:15:11,144 So usually we bounce between southeast area and 77th. 279 00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:12,179 Every once in awhile they'll send us 280 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:14,547 to the harbor or southwest. 281 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:17,751 Shooting just occurred Broadway 282 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:21,588 and 112th Street, Broadway and 112th Street, 283 00:15:21,788 --> 00:15:22,322 3525... 284 00:15:22,522 --> 00:15:23,323 Let's go to that. 285 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:18,638 Hey Mo, you want her gone, is it okay? 286 00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:28,175 By the time we as homicide detectives are called out 287 00:18:28,375 --> 00:18:30,610 to a homicide scene, we're already chasing. 288 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:33,045 We're at least an hour to two hours behind 289 00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:35,648 whoever perpetrated this crime. 290 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:55,368 The horrific part I think comes and goes. 291 00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:58,805 As a homicide detective, that's not what I'm focusing on. 292 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:03,410 I'm not focusing on how bloody or how horrible 293 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:04,811 this person was murdered. 294 00:19:05,011 --> 00:19:08,081 It's who murdered this person. 295 00:19:08,281 --> 00:19:11,951 Who did it, and when and what information do I have. 296 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,354 I wanna start that chase now. 297 00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:50,089 The horrific part or the emotional part has more 298 00:19:50,289 --> 00:19:53,693 I think to do with connections with people. 299 00:19:56,829 --> 00:19:59,266 Usually it's somebody in that victim's family, 300 00:19:59,466 --> 00:20:01,134 or who's close to the victim, 301 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:05,538 where there's some, there's that empathy connection 302 00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:09,176 that's made between a detective and the case. 303 00:20:09,376 --> 00:20:12,495 And that empathy connection, as I would describe it, 304 00:20:12,695 --> 00:20:15,815 is what drives that detective to try to solve it. 305 00:20:16,015 --> 00:20:17,750 Do we solve 'em all, no. 306 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:20,220 But that's what pushes us, and our goal is to 307 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:24,357 solve them all so we can give some kind of answers 308 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:28,495 to that family of what occurred to their loved one. 309 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:51,318 The family members of our victim, rightfully so 310 00:20:51,518 --> 00:20:53,370 are staying at their relatives, 311 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:55,222 so that way they could feel safe. 312 00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:58,858 The one particular person who may be able to convince 313 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:02,044 the witnesses and other people to come forward, 314 00:21:02,244 --> 00:21:05,031 not that they weren't telling us the truth, 315 00:21:05,231 --> 00:21:07,434 but if they were holding back certain information 316 00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:10,537 because of, they were fearful 317 00:21:10,737 --> 00:21:11,971 over retaliation. 318 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:26,652 I can provide the protection, the safety, 319 00:21:26,852 --> 00:21:28,854 all right, I could provide the closure. 320 00:21:29,054 --> 00:21:31,057 Myra and I could provide all that stuff. 321 00:21:31,257 --> 00:21:32,325 Yeah. 322 00:21:32,525 --> 00:21:36,262 But I can't and Myra can't, we cannot help your family 323 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,763 unless you guys are willing to help yourself. 324 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:39,065 I agree, and that's what 325 00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:40,833 I've been tryin' to implement in their mom, 326 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,802 she said she'll talk to you guys, 327 00:21:43,002 --> 00:21:44,171 it's just, I just wanna... 328 00:21:44,371 --> 00:21:48,040 Wait, once this case breaks open, we have to protect you. 329 00:21:49,175 --> 00:21:50,477 Yeah, I agree. 330 00:21:50,677 --> 00:21:54,381 Right now, we can't do much because there's really no, 331 00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:56,816 imminent, they call it imminent threat. 332 00:21:57,016 --> 00:21:59,185 In other words, he doesn't know that we're talking, 333 00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:00,520 they're not gonna know that we're talking 334 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,922 until we start solving the case. 335 00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:07,026 And then, once we solve, but that's when I have to. 336 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:08,495 Hoovers, we all know about Hoovers, 337 00:22:08,695 --> 00:22:09,729 I lived with them all my life, 338 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:10,763 and I know they ain't no joke. 339 00:22:10,963 --> 00:22:12,499 And that's one gang I'm afraid of. 340 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:16,503 But at the same time, it's like let's be realistic here, 341 00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:18,538 are we doing this for Oznay, or we not? 342 00:22:18,738 --> 00:22:21,874 I will tell you right now, I know the fear is 343 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:23,476 the retaliation of his friends. 344 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:26,746 What he did was, not for the benefit of the gang... 345 00:22:26,946 --> 00:22:27,380 No it wasn't. 346 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,815 - It was personal. 347 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,250 It was personal, so you think the gang is gonna stick up 348 00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:33,420 and do certain things that will get themselves 349 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:34,921 into more trouble? 350 00:22:35,121 --> 00:22:39,125 And no gang accepts a guy killin' a girl over 351 00:22:39,325 --> 00:22:41,694 somethin' stupid, you know, it was an argument, it was... 352 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:42,895 - That was not business. 353 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:45,297 You know, gangs are about business too. 354 00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:46,032 I agree. 355 00:22:46,232 --> 00:22:46,966 It's about money. 356 00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:48,235 I agree. 357 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:49,736 Look, let's identify who this person is, 358 00:22:49,936 --> 00:22:52,739 and then Myra and I will do our job to try to remove 359 00:22:52,939 --> 00:22:54,907 the family members as much as possible. 360 00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:56,525 We have other techniques. 361 00:22:56,725 --> 00:22:57,944 The longer we wait... 362 00:22:58,144 --> 00:22:59,512 The longer, I know, 363 00:22:59,712 --> 00:23:00,580 48 Hours taught me that. 364 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:01,414 - Thank you. 365 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:04,517 It will be a distant memory, 366 00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:06,352 your cousin will be a distant memory. 367 00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:07,354 I know. 368 00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:09,656 I don't want that, that's not fair. 369 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:11,958 I agree. 370 00:23:13,325 --> 00:23:15,127 This family hasn't been back to the house 371 00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:18,265 since the night of the incident. 372 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:22,185 Every time she went up and down the stairs, 373 00:23:22,385 --> 00:23:26,105 'cause that's where she held her daughter. 374 00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:27,440 I feel really bad. 375 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,975 Ah yeah, you know it took everything for me 376 00:23:29,175 --> 00:23:29,876 not to cry. 377 00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:33,980 You and I are weak like that, you know that? 378 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:35,882 - You feel horrible for 'em. 379 00:23:36,082 --> 00:23:40,219 You know, 'cause it's reality, it's not tv, it's not, 380 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,055 this is real, real people's lives. 381 00:23:44,223 --> 00:23:45,725 This takes a toll. 382 00:23:52,832 --> 00:23:55,468 About midnight, got called by the 383 00:23:55,668 --> 00:23:57,704 southeast watch commander that we had a homicide here 384 00:23:57,904 --> 00:24:00,673 on 95th Street by 95th and Fig. 385 00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:03,242 Female, black, was shot and killed as she was 386 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:04,977 walking on the sidewalk. 387 00:24:05,177 --> 00:24:08,013 Was probably a group of other individuals out, 388 00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:11,050 when a light-colored sedan or SUV drove by, 389 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,420 depending on the witness's statement, 390 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:17,340 shot multiple times, she got struck by gunfire. 391 00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:21,260 Latorria, L-A-T-O-R-R-I-A. 392 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:25,432 Patrol units respond, paramedics respond, 393 00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:27,367 they pronounced her deceased here at the scene, 394 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:31,638 so by the time I get here, the scene's already secured. 395 00:24:31,838 --> 00:24:35,675 Had some idea where some pieces of evidence were. 396 00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:38,845 Had some fired casings, had some cell phones 397 00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:43,215 that probably belonged to our victim, after she got shot. 398 00:24:45,718 --> 00:24:49,572 Couple a ice tea cans, and one was still half full. 399 00:24:49,772 --> 00:24:52,516 That would indicate there was more people out here. 400 00:24:52,716 --> 00:24:55,461 So it's that type a stuff that we're just kinda 401 00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:56,663 processing the crime scene. 402 00:24:56,863 --> 00:24:58,164 There was a van, obviously, close by. 403 00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,066 Did you find somethin' else in it? 404 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:01,768 - Yeah, perfectly intact bullet. 405 00:25:01,968 --> 00:25:04,370 Oh there it is, right there in the window, yeah. 406 00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:05,204 Very nice. 407 00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:07,574 I have measurements, if you wanna go off 408 00:25:07,774 --> 00:25:09,075 the measurements I have. 409 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:10,710 Okay, and I'm gonna get the light closed. 410 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:13,145 I have the light closed, I have this light closed, 411 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,047 and that light closed. 412 00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:16,749 Almost like you've done this before. 413 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:18,384 Never done it before in my life, really. 414 00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:22,521 First time out here, solid, shew. 415 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:28,795 Mel Hernandez and I will be personally assigned to this case 416 00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:29,896 until we leave. 417 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:31,130 I don't plan on leavin', 418 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,767 I plan on retiring from this division. 419 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:38,838 In that case, it'd be assigned to me until I retire. 420 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:41,207 We form a bond with that family, 421 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:43,376 and we know the investigation best 422 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:46,378 because we were the first homicide detectives 423 00:25:46,578 --> 00:25:48,881 who got a look at the crime scene, 424 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:53,085 who talked to the people who were involved that night, 425 00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:54,587 to the community members. 426 00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:58,791 So as a result, you have some personal attachment to 427 00:25:58,991 --> 00:26:02,028 the homicides that are assigned to you. 428 00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,197 My only child was murdered, Reginald Lakeith Reese, 429 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:08,434 December the sixth, 1995, in San Pedro. 430 00:26:09,836 --> 00:26:11,871 To have your kid leave before you, 431 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,572 at the hands of someone else, 432 00:26:13,772 --> 00:26:15,074 that they have touched your kid. 433 00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:16,776 It's like your brain's suppose to be in a circle 434 00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,978 but when that happens it leaves a little dent in your brain 435 00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:20,830 that will never, ever close. 436 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:22,482 You take this to your grave. 437 00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:25,868 You will never, ever get over it. 438 00:26:26,068 --> 00:26:29,055 You will do anything, move the world, 439 00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:31,590 that havin' them, never bein' able to smell 'em again, 440 00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:33,709 never bein' able to kiss, don't hug, 441 00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:35,628 you don't get none a that no more. 442 00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:37,229 And everybody tell you it's suppose to be okay, 443 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,431 that's bull, it don't suppose to be okay. 444 00:26:39,631 --> 00:26:41,634 Because a the way it suppose to been okay 445 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:43,435 was you suppose to been left, 446 00:26:43,635 --> 00:26:45,237 and they suppose to a been here. 447 00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:46,739 This is not right. 448 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,276 All these kids bein' murdered, 449 00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:53,362 and everybody's tellin' us it's okay. 450 00:26:53,562 --> 00:26:56,173 No, uh-uh, parents never get over it. 451 00:26:56,373 --> 00:26:58,985 They will take it to their grave. 452 00:26:59,185 --> 00:26:59,652 Never, ever. 453 00:26:59,852 --> 00:27:01,220 Birthdays, worst. 454 00:27:02,388 --> 00:27:04,123 Anniversary dates, that's what we call, 455 00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:06,058 when the day they were murdered, 456 00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:07,794 it's like a knife in your heart, 457 00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,863 you can't even pull out if you wanted to. 458 00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:12,699 And make it right. 459 00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:15,234 It's like, I can't explain it. 460 00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:18,137 But you don't want nobody else to ever experience it. 461 00:27:18,337 --> 00:27:21,040 Because you don't know if they gonna get through it. 462 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,241 A lot a people don't. 463 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:24,310 They lose they mind behind this, 464 00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:27,113 we've had parents kill theyself behind it, 465 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:29,381 tryin' to get to they babies. 466 00:27:29,581 --> 00:27:31,917 And it's just horrible, 467 00:27:32,117 --> 00:27:34,253 it's nothing like this. 468 00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,589 There's no medication they can give you, 469 00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:39,692 'cause they give you somethin', they gonna put you to sleep. 470 00:27:39,892 --> 00:27:41,227 And that ain't gonna solve it, 471 00:27:41,427 --> 00:27:44,030 'cause when you wake up you think, "Where's my child, 472 00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:45,364 "where's my kid?" 473 00:27:45,564 --> 00:27:46,799 And you look in the room, you grabbin' the clothes, 474 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,600 you're asking everybody, 475 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,402 so it doesn't work that way. 476 00:27:51,804 --> 00:27:54,006 Our spiritual leaders seem, they don't understand it either, 477 00:27:54,206 --> 00:27:56,926 'cause they ask us strange questions, 478 00:27:57,126 --> 00:27:59,646 like, "Did your child, was he saved?" 479 00:27:59,846 --> 00:28:01,781 Or somethin' like that, like that makes a difference. 480 00:28:01,981 --> 00:28:04,416 When it comes to this, it is not about that. 481 00:28:04,616 --> 00:28:06,485 This crosses every boundary. 482 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:10,589 It doesn't care what religion, what race, what age, 483 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:11,958 if you were short, you were tall, 484 00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:16,362 if you had money, you didn't, this crosses everything. 485 00:28:16,562 --> 00:28:18,164 And they need to understand this. 486 00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:19,431 There's nothin' worse. 487 00:28:19,631 --> 00:28:21,968 Anything else in this world you get a second chance. 488 00:28:22,168 --> 00:28:24,086 On this, we don't get nothin'. 489 00:28:24,286 --> 00:28:26,447 We never get to see 'em again, 490 00:28:26,647 --> 00:28:28,608 we never get to say nothin'. 491 00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,979 Everybody else gets a second chance, we didn't get it. 492 00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:35,815 It's the worst thing, it's so unfair. 493 00:28:36,015 --> 00:28:38,951 And we demand it, that those son of bitches that kill 494 00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:42,088 our kids, they have to be arrested, charged, and convicted, 495 00:28:42,288 --> 00:28:45,124 'cause this is the worst crime of all. 496 00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:48,795 No, there's nothin' worse than murder, there's nothing. 497 00:28:48,995 --> 00:28:49,628 No, uh-uh. 498 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:01,874 Give me a minute, please. 499 00:29:08,047 --> 00:29:10,249 Hello my name is, 500 00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:12,417 could someone please call be back, 501 00:29:12,617 --> 00:29:14,803 I'm desperately in need of help. 502 00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:17,189 My 16-month-old child was murdered, 503 00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:18,424 and I don't know what to do, 504 00:29:18,624 --> 00:29:21,593 I'm not getting anywhere with the police, or anything. 505 00:29:21,793 --> 00:29:24,563 So someone please call me back, thank you very much. 506 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,934 Paul, this is LaWanda with Justice for Murdered Children, 507 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:29,335 I'm returning your call. 508 00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:32,037 I am truly sorry to hear about your 16-month-old 509 00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:34,740 bein' murdered, my heart and prayers go out to you 510 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:35,875 and your family. 511 00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:38,610 We're a non-profit organization that helps families 512 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:40,579 that have had a loved one murdered. 513 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:41,848 Our mission is to assist them, 514 00:29:42,048 --> 00:29:44,450 and to reduce the numbers of unsolved homicides. 515 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:47,987 We felt we were left out the criminal justice system. 516 00:29:48,187 --> 00:29:50,322 Hi Janet, this is LaWanda, how you doin'? 517 00:29:50,522 --> 00:29:51,658 I'm doin' fine. 518 00:29:51,858 --> 00:29:55,862 I was calling you because LAPD is doing an unsolved homicide 519 00:29:56,062 --> 00:30:00,066 website, so they need for you to give them Tony's picture. 520 00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:01,000 Yeah, yeah. 521 00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:05,972 Hi LaChrisha, this is LaWanda, how you doin'? 522 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:07,406 I'm doin' fine. 523 00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:09,976 Hey William, this is LaWanda, how you doin'? 524 00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:11,343 Hey Rose, this is LaWanda, 525 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,845 with Justice for Murdered Children. 526 00:30:14,045 --> 00:30:16,148 Oh, okay, I'll get the email to you. 527 00:30:16,348 --> 00:30:19,251 People usually think once we bury the kids, 528 00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:20,252 it should be over. 529 00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:22,454 We felt there has to be other steps to this. 530 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:24,556 Especially when we found out the people who killed our kids 531 00:30:24,756 --> 00:30:26,441 had not been arrested. 532 00:30:26,641 --> 00:30:28,127 That really blew our mind. 533 00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,462 And so we got together and created this organization 534 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:31,731 called Justice for Murdered Children. 535 00:30:31,931 --> 00:30:33,632 And we started meeting other families that had 536 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:35,702 the same situation, unfortunately. 537 00:30:35,902 --> 00:30:38,537 All three counts, how can you get a hung jury on all three? 538 00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:40,655 Two attempted murders, you, your son, 539 00:30:40,855 --> 00:30:42,774 and then the murder of your grandson. 540 00:30:42,974 --> 00:30:44,726 I don't see how they can do that 541 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,678 when you all were eyewitnesses. 542 00:30:48,047 --> 00:30:49,481 Yeah, victims and eyewitnesses to the crime. 543 00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,017 And I'm telling you, this man shot me, 544 00:30:51,217 --> 00:30:52,985 and you sayin' no he didn't. 545 00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:54,754 And he didn't shoot my son, 546 00:30:54,954 --> 00:30:57,056 and I said he shot me, my son, and my grandson, 547 00:30:57,256 --> 00:30:58,390 that one right there. 548 00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:00,692 See that says somethin' about our judicial system, 549 00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:01,593 I don't know. 550 00:31:01,793 --> 00:31:03,629 Where do these juries come from? 551 00:31:03,829 --> 00:31:05,731 Because see your grandson, by him bein' a kid, 552 00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:07,599 that was a whole totally different thing. 553 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,468 There's no way jurors could not feel that. 554 00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:10,502 Unless the judge gave an instruction 555 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:11,771 if you can't find him guilty on this one, 556 00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:13,805 then you can't find him guilty on the other two. 557 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:16,375 No, that's why you break it up. 558 00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:18,711 So it's no instructions like that. 559 00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:20,512 Because you can be found guilty on one, 560 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:21,814 and not guilty on another. 561 00:31:22,014 --> 00:31:24,984 We always believin' that if we get the eyewitness 562 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:26,935 and everything, then we got you. 563 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:28,687 Now, they get the eyewitness, 564 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:32,058 five eyewitnesses and they still didn't get him. 565 00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:33,125 That's crazy. 566 00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:35,294 We don't get grants, the only funding we get 567 00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,263 is through fundraisers that we actually create. 568 00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:40,666 If I had committed a murder, and then I decided today 569 00:31:40,866 --> 00:31:42,134 I'm not gonna commit murder no more, 570 00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:43,535 I'm gonna change my life, 571 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:45,537 and create a gang intervention program, 572 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,506 I coulda got funded. 573 00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,309 But because I'm a victim of this crime called murder, 574 00:31:50,509 --> 00:31:51,827 and my family decided that hey, they want 575 00:31:52,027 --> 00:31:53,345 those people who committed that crime to be 576 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:55,481 arrested, charged, and convicted, 577 00:31:55,681 --> 00:31:57,049 we can't fund that. 578 00:32:06,792 --> 00:32:08,327 This murder is a murder from a year ago, 579 00:32:08,527 --> 00:32:10,396 and basically what happened was we had our victim, 580 00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:12,731 Jeffrey Davis, he's an older male, black, 581 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,701 and his associate, a girl by the name of Andrea Fowler, 582 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,470 were filling prescriptions of Oxycontin, 583 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:21,307 down in Saddleback Pharmacy, in Mission Viejo, 584 00:32:21,507 --> 00:32:23,375 and then they were selling this to Eight Trey gangsters 585 00:32:23,575 --> 00:32:25,077 who were subsequently transporting it 586 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:28,013 up to Washington state, and making a huge profit up there. 587 00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:30,949 So, while they were there counting the money they just got 588 00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:33,385 from this large sale, a male black came up, 589 00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:36,022 stuck a gun in the window, in Jeffrey's face, says, 590 00:32:36,222 --> 00:32:38,024 "Give me the money," and Jeffrey said, 591 00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:39,758 "You're gonna have to kill me for my money," 592 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,261 and he grabbed the gun and they fought over the gun. 593 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:43,896 We were able to develop information that 594 00:32:44,096 --> 00:32:46,465 Andrea Fowler was a co-conspirator in planning this 595 00:32:46,665 --> 00:32:49,701 robbery to get money back from Jeffrey because 596 00:32:49,901 --> 00:32:51,871 he had been shorting her on the money. 597 00:32:52,071 --> 00:32:54,807 And so she subsequently enlisted the aid of some 598 00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:57,743 other individuals to help her give this money back. 599 00:32:57,943 --> 00:32:59,578 It was never suppose to be a murder, 600 00:32:59,778 --> 00:33:02,281 but when the victim fought back that changed everything. 601 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,667 Here at criminal gang homicide division, 602 00:33:04,867 --> 00:33:07,053 we have a uniform detail attached to us. 603 00:33:07,253 --> 00:33:08,487 SEU, Special Enforcement Unit. 604 00:33:08,687 --> 00:33:11,740 They assist us in the enforcement and suppression 605 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:14,793 of gangs, and also to arrest, gather intelligence 606 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:18,697 on certain gangs and violent individuals in our community. 607 00:33:18,897 --> 00:33:21,299 At that location we're gonna be looking for 608 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:23,702 any association with Bloodstone Villains. 609 00:33:23,902 --> 00:33:27,073 We're lookin' for an unknown caliber revolver, 610 00:33:27,273 --> 00:33:29,208 and we're looking for anything that, 611 00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:31,143 just the general lives that would show 612 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:34,379 who has ownership there, and also cell phones. 613 00:33:34,579 --> 00:33:37,416 Lot a times when we put a case together, 614 00:33:37,616 --> 00:33:40,519 we have targets of suspects, and we then are gonna go back 615 00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:42,721 and do search warrants of those suspects. 616 00:33:42,921 --> 00:33:45,390 We'll utilize those teams to put together the 617 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:48,560 tactical operations, put together the game plan 618 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,279 on how to get to a location, make sure it's safe 619 00:33:51,479 --> 00:33:53,999 before the homicide detectives then so in there 620 00:33:54,199 --> 00:33:56,702 and actually search for physical evidence. 621 00:33:56,902 --> 00:33:57,469 This is the 622 00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:58,704 Los Angeles Police Department, 623 00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:00,906 we have a search warrant for your residence, 624 00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:03,009 we need you to exit the front door, 625 00:34:03,209 --> 00:34:05,744 and be guided by the direction of officers. 626 00:34:05,944 --> 00:34:07,246 Do it now, please. 627 00:34:16,288 --> 00:34:19,891 And we don't serve the warrant until everybody is set up. 628 00:34:20,091 --> 00:34:21,260 We try and call everybody out. 629 00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:24,429 We want it to be as safe as possible for everyone, 630 00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:27,599 the police and even the individuals that we're 631 00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:29,835 serving the warrant with. 632 00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:32,771 I said you just wanna come out 633 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:34,973 with your hands up. 634 00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:50,156 knock. 635 00:34:50,356 --> 00:34:51,323 I did. 636 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:52,574 How 'bout opening the door. 637 00:34:52,774 --> 00:34:53,625 The door's open. 638 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:55,043 Come out with your hands up. 639 00:34:55,243 --> 00:34:56,486 Okay, don't shoot. 640 00:34:56,686 --> 00:34:57,729 What's goin' on, sir? 641 00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:58,897 - Come out. - Hands up, 642 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,766 get your hands up, on your head. 643 00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:01,800 Turn around. 644 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,802 They will go into any house that we go into, 645 00:35:04,002 --> 00:35:07,289 and they will search it, primarily for bodies first, 646 00:35:07,489 --> 00:35:10,776 we're making sure that anybody who is left inside 647 00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:12,044 we will be able to locate. 648 00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:14,246 We ask any individuals that came out before them, 649 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:16,015 "Is there anybody else inside?" 650 00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:19,985 Just me and my grandma, and my wife, that's it. 651 00:35:20,185 --> 00:35:21,169 I don't know what's goin' on. 652 00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:22,779 - A lot of times they'll say, 653 00:35:22,979 --> 00:35:24,190 "Nope, nobody, it's all clear," 654 00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,226 and then these officers will go in and make sure that 655 00:35:27,426 --> 00:35:29,328 nobody's hiding, or that nobody was left in the back. 656 00:35:29,528 --> 00:35:31,430 Get your hands on your fuckin' head 657 00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:34,032 and step out a the car. 658 00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:35,033 Turn around. 659 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:40,506 We were able to locate an individual that 660 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:42,074 we were indeed looking for, 661 00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:44,209 and detectives did want to interview him, 662 00:35:44,409 --> 00:35:46,345 they do believe that he had something to do 663 00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:49,081 with a crime we're investigating. 664 00:35:49,281 --> 00:35:51,817 Hey, get the fuck out a the way. 665 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:04,930 You're here for one of two reasons, 666 00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:08,134 either to give information or get information. 667 00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:10,669 We will take the information back to our communities 668 00:36:10,869 --> 00:36:13,205 so when we're standin' around 30, 50, 100 people, 669 00:36:13,405 --> 00:36:14,873 we say wait, this is how the process goes, 670 00:36:15,073 --> 00:36:19,177 kick back, relax, and that can ease the community 671 00:36:19,377 --> 00:36:21,546 as it relates to what's happening with 672 00:36:21,746 --> 00:36:23,548 the loss of life of their loved one. 673 00:36:23,748 --> 00:36:25,551 Since we're talkin' about homicides, 674 00:36:25,751 --> 00:36:27,886 with respect to gang homicides, 675 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:30,372 I thought this would be a good way to suque into our 676 00:36:30,572 --> 00:36:32,858 conversation having, what I consider to be the subject 677 00:36:33,058 --> 00:36:34,360 matter of the experts here, 678 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,329 the detectives from criminal gang homicide division. 679 00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:38,897 - Stinson is our front man. 680 00:36:39,097 --> 00:36:42,168 Our detectives need to make these meetings, 681 00:36:42,368 --> 00:36:44,920 but Stinson's there, he's there at those meetings. 682 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,380 He's our liaison, between us and the community 683 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:49,641 and a lot of the groups that we deal with. 684 00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:53,845 It's clearly, they're not catchin' any of these murderers. 685 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,747 So, if they aren't catchin' the murderers, 686 00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:59,918 so what's goin' on with the money that's not being used 687 00:37:00,118 --> 00:37:00,952 to prosecute these people, 688 00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:02,754 'cause they're not bein' arrested. 689 00:37:02,954 --> 00:37:05,891 The biggest thing for the community is not knowing 690 00:37:06,091 --> 00:37:08,960 when these killers are apprehended. 691 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,497 The victims' families wanna see those arrests. 692 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:12,798 We wanna hear about them. 693 00:37:12,998 --> 00:37:14,900 Our children need to hear about them. 694 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:19,171 Keep somethin' in mind, just because January first, 2013 695 00:37:19,371 --> 00:37:23,442 arrives, doesn't mean we're not working cases a year ago, 696 00:37:23,642 --> 00:37:25,477 two years ago, three years ago. 697 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:29,348 And then take it a step further, a case gets solved, 698 00:37:29,548 --> 00:37:30,649 well guess what happens now? 699 00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:32,318 Now you're bringing the district attorney's office 700 00:37:32,518 --> 00:37:35,321 into, another entity into this case. 701 00:37:36,822 --> 00:37:38,224 There's only so many hours in a day, 702 00:37:38,424 --> 00:37:41,460 but the fact of the matter is, you get 100% from these guys. 703 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:45,397 We need to get to those, those those voices 704 00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:48,917 that you know you are havin' right now, 705 00:37:49,117 --> 00:37:52,438 about your kids, and somebody's kids, 706 00:37:53,572 --> 00:37:55,174 we need to get to those. 707 00:37:55,374 --> 00:37:56,975 'Cause we don't have them often, 708 00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:59,394 and lord knows, payin' their salaries, 709 00:37:59,594 --> 00:38:01,813 ya'll need to get to them, right now. 710 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:06,985 You here me, get to them right now, please. 711 00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:09,321 How I came involved in the criminal gang homicide division 712 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:13,141 is, there was a situation with me, and perhaps, 713 00:38:13,341 --> 00:38:16,962 impacting not only the hearts of the men and women 714 00:38:17,162 --> 00:38:19,731 in uniform, but also those in the community. 715 00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:22,016 When we talking about what we need to do, 716 00:38:22,216 --> 00:38:24,102 is we need to go home and tell our kids to 717 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,239 knock it the f-off with all this, gang bangin'. 718 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:31,710 Now it's a lot going on, but this gang bangin' stuff 719 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:33,879 is takin' away a lot a young talented kids. 720 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,299 It's been four years now, and they need to start seein' 721 00:38:37,499 --> 00:38:40,719 the faces of women like me, 'cause I can't get over it. 722 00:38:40,919 --> 00:38:42,754 I get up every day and do what I have to do, 723 00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:45,924 but I miss my son every single day. 724 00:38:46,124 --> 00:38:50,128 July 18th, 2009, 6:30 on the dot that morning. 725 00:38:51,296 --> 00:38:53,765 Knock on the door, and I'm thinking to myself, 726 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:55,967 my son has lost the key again, 727 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,469 now I gotta get up and let him in. 728 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:01,707 And I told him, this is your last, this is your third key. 729 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,894 Unbeknownst to me, I look out the door, screen door, 730 00:39:06,094 --> 00:39:08,938 and there's two detectives with two notebook binders, 731 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,983 thick, well I'm a seasoned law enforcement officer, 732 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:13,618 I know what this is. 733 00:39:13,818 --> 00:39:15,053 This is not good. 734 00:39:15,253 --> 00:39:17,623 They got a job to do, we have a job to do. 735 00:39:17,823 --> 00:39:20,158 They got all these murders that's out here and unsolved 736 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,493 'cause people not steppin' up, 737 00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:24,179 'cause they know they stickin' to the codes of the streets. 738 00:39:24,379 --> 00:39:26,865 Until that change, they gonna always have a stack a murders, 739 00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:29,201 so why are we sittin' here, beatin' around the bush? 740 00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:31,537 They can't solve 'em unless the people help 'em. 741 00:39:31,737 --> 00:39:32,554 That's right. 742 00:39:32,754 --> 00:39:33,372 - Bottom line. 743 00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:35,173 When he told me, and said look, 744 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:36,808 "Do you have a son named Amire Brown?" 745 00:39:37,008 --> 00:39:38,310 I said, "Yes, I do." 746 00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:40,679 "Do you know he was at a party last night?" 747 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:44,616 I says, "No, he's 21, he's entitled to go to a party." 748 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:45,617 I says, "Is there a problem?" 749 00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:48,687 He says, "Well, Stinson I hate to tell you, 750 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:51,757 "but your son was shot, and he didn't make it." 751 00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,861 My life has never been the same. 752 00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:58,029 If our kids are bein' murdered for 753 00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:02,634 steppin' up and talking, they don't feel protected. 754 00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,636 So they're caught in a squeeze. 755 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:07,038 My son was dead before he could even testify 756 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:08,307 to what happened. 757 00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:11,309 When I see a young black man walkin' down the street, 758 00:40:11,509 --> 00:40:14,312 he's afraid, that he's not gonna make it to the corner. 759 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:16,682 This has to stop. 760 00:40:17,983 --> 00:40:20,752 My son being clean-shaven, 6-3, weighed 240, 761 00:40:20,952 --> 00:40:24,490 ran the 4.4 the 40, football player, very healthy lookin'. 762 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:27,325 Was tying his shoe, and looked up, 763 00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:32,464 two young men, gang members, without provocation, 764 00:40:33,965 --> 00:40:36,468 the shooter produced the weapon, a handgun, 765 00:40:36,668 --> 00:40:38,236 and shot my son three times. 766 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:40,138 I felt like he was so quick 767 00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:42,441 to label gangs that, 768 00:40:42,641 --> 00:40:44,009 I'm gonna just put it out there, 769 00:40:44,209 --> 00:40:47,445 the white aren't in here, in the hood, talking to people. 770 00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:49,815 The people that actually work in the community 771 00:40:50,015 --> 00:40:50,916 are not from the community. 772 00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,901 How do you know what we're goin' through? 773 00:40:53,101 --> 00:40:54,886 How do you know what we feel, or anything? 774 00:40:55,086 --> 00:40:56,388 You guys don't live here. 775 00:40:56,588 --> 00:40:59,057 This doesn't happen in a lot of communities. 776 00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:01,943 You're not gonna get criminal gang homicide detectives 777 00:41:02,143 --> 00:41:04,570 to come and talk in a community meeting like this. 778 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:06,998 When Stinson stands up to a group of people, 779 00:41:07,198 --> 00:41:11,069 and when he can tell, and share that commonality of, 780 00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:15,140 "I've suffered a loss, my child was gunned down, 781 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,375 "gang violence, in the same neighborhood." 782 00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:19,611 When he throws that down on the table, 783 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:20,746 people really listen to him. 784 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:23,815 They know he's not just some cop up there, 785 00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:25,116 feedin' 'em some bullshit. 786 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,487 When my son was murdered, these are the men that helped 787 00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:30,856 apprehend the suspect, 788 00:41:31,056 --> 00:41:33,859 and the person's serving prison time now. 789 00:41:34,059 --> 00:41:36,862 So, they have a very dear place in my heart. 790 00:41:37,062 --> 00:41:39,197 It was not real to me until, 791 00:41:40,566 --> 00:41:41,600 on the table, 792 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,134 covered up with a white cloth, 793 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:45,570 I remember touchin' my son from the top of his head 794 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:48,006 to the bottom of his feet, and feeling his cold body 795 00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:49,608 the stiffness that had set in, 796 00:41:49,808 --> 00:41:51,677 and realized that the life that I had known, 797 00:41:51,877 --> 00:41:56,047 that I was responsible for procreating into this earth, 798 00:41:57,315 --> 00:41:58,717 now had moved on. 799 00:42:00,285 --> 00:42:04,389 And, as a parent, nothing will leave you as helpless, 800 00:42:05,456 --> 00:42:08,627 and as meek and broken, as that moment. 801 00:42:10,395 --> 00:42:12,530 As you all know, my son Jerrell was murdered, 802 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:14,616 and the detective right here, Rick Gordon, 803 00:42:14,816 --> 00:42:16,502 he was the one who worked with that case, 804 00:42:16,702 --> 00:42:19,605 and brought it to where the guy was convicted. 805 00:42:19,805 --> 00:42:21,239 75 years to life... 806 00:42:26,712 --> 00:42:28,213 he stayed in touch with our family, 807 00:42:28,413 --> 00:42:30,448 and then I stayed in touch with them as well. 808 00:42:30,648 --> 00:42:31,483 I didn't sit back and wait. 809 00:42:31,683 --> 00:42:33,218 For three years I had to go to court, 810 00:42:33,418 --> 00:42:35,503 and when it got turned over to the DA's office, 811 00:42:35,703 --> 00:42:37,789 what they talk about, the murder book looks like, 812 00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:38,790 is this fat. 813 00:42:40,491 --> 00:42:41,793 If I could add somethin' on that, 814 00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,063 it was so important for you to be there every day in trial, 815 00:42:45,263 --> 00:42:47,782 because the jury has to see the family, 816 00:42:47,982 --> 00:42:50,501 they gotta see that somebody cares. 817 00:42:50,701 --> 00:42:52,503 And that is so critical. 818 00:42:53,872 --> 00:42:55,707 When it came down to workin' criminal gang 819 00:42:55,907 --> 00:42:57,543 homicide division, when it came to bein' a 820 00:42:57,743 --> 00:43:01,847 gang intervention liaison, when it was posed to me, 821 00:43:02,848 --> 00:43:04,349 it took me a year. 822 00:43:05,651 --> 00:43:07,218 To answer that call. 823 00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:09,655 I had to turn down the volume of life, 824 00:43:09,855 --> 00:43:11,356 to hear the whisper of God. 825 00:43:11,556 --> 00:43:14,142 And when i heard that whisper, I knew 826 00:43:14,342 --> 00:43:16,728 that this is where I needed to be 827 00:43:16,928 --> 00:43:19,580 for the remaining of my years on this department. 828 00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:22,433 This is where I needed to put my best practices, 829 00:43:22,633 --> 00:43:25,270 because forgiveness is a process, 830 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:27,573 it doesn't happen over night. 831 00:43:27,773 --> 00:43:31,743 Healing is a process, it doesn't happen overnight. 832 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:35,246 Many of us have lost somebody close to us, 833 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:40,185 and for me personally it's not about the badge 834 00:43:40,385 --> 00:43:41,587 and uniform at the end of the day. 835 00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:44,673 When I sit at that table it's about sharing, 836 00:43:44,873 --> 00:43:47,759 and understanding that we all have been hurt, 837 00:43:47,959 --> 00:43:50,061 some of us still hurt more than others, 838 00:43:50,261 --> 00:43:52,664 but if we could say something to one another, 839 00:43:52,864 --> 00:43:54,866 to encourage one another, to say hey, you know what, 840 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:56,702 all hope is not lost, 841 00:43:56,902 --> 00:43:58,970 we don't have to go through life being bitter. 842 00:43:59,170 --> 00:44:02,440 Forgiveness is powerful, unconditional love is powerful. 843 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,011 The violent crime, it stops with us. 844 00:44:06,211 --> 00:44:08,313 We thank you oh God for the information, 845 00:44:08,513 --> 00:44:11,349 and the beautiful dialogue that took place this evening. 846 00:44:11,549 --> 00:44:13,752 We thank you for every heart, mind, and spirit 847 00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:15,253 that has been present. 848 00:44:15,453 --> 00:44:17,823 We thank you oh God for those who have traveled so far 849 00:44:18,023 --> 00:44:19,190 to be with us this evening. 850 00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:22,560 We pray oh God that as we separate ourselves 851 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,295 to go to our separate homes, 852 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:27,015 we leave each other physically but not spiritually. 853 00:44:27,215 --> 00:44:29,735 We pray oh God that the families that we return to 854 00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:32,838 shall be whole, they shall be at peace. 855 00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:35,874 We pray this in your name, oh God, Jesus Christ, amen. 856 00:44:36,074 --> 00:44:37,175 Amen. 857 00:44:37,375 --> 00:44:38,176 Okay, we need you to put up the chairs, 858 00:44:38,376 --> 00:44:39,177 but not the tables. 859 00:44:39,377 --> 00:44:40,679 You gonna put 'em up then. 860 00:44:40,879 --> 00:44:41,947 No, I ain't puttin' up nothing. 861 00:44:42,147 --> 00:44:44,866 As a matter a fact, I'll see you later everybody 862 00:44:45,066 --> 00:44:47,786 'cause I gotta, I'm gonna have. 863 00:45:09,607 --> 00:45:13,178 I was on the phone actually, when I first heard the shot. 864 00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:16,181 I said please, my mom, my son, and his girlfriend 865 00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:17,348 has been shot. 866 00:45:19,017 --> 00:45:23,288 I sat the phone down, and then I'm thinkin', 867 00:45:23,488 --> 00:45:26,925 I gotta set it down to where nobody'll bump it or hit it, 868 00:45:27,125 --> 00:45:28,927 'cause that have to hear what's goin' on, 869 00:45:29,127 --> 00:45:31,730 'cause I was by myself. 870 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:34,532 She laid down, I could see her, I was like, 871 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:37,585 "Crystal, sweetie are you okay?" 872 00:45:37,785 --> 00:45:40,663 After I came from my mom, to it, 873 00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:43,741 then I went to go see about my son. 874 00:45:43,941 --> 00:45:45,576 'cause I heard him coughing. 875 00:45:45,776 --> 00:45:47,878 Then, as he was coughing I had 876 00:45:48,078 --> 00:45:50,181 turned away and he spit up blood. 877 00:45:51,649 --> 00:45:53,184 He was hit in the, 878 00:45:53,384 --> 00:45:57,022 I knew it was somewhere in the upper body. 879 00:45:57,222 --> 00:45:59,224 And I said, "Son," he was grabbin' at his neck, 880 00:45:59,424 --> 00:46:02,560 so I immediately just started choking him, 881 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,162 I think I choked him. 882 00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:06,764 And I was like, "Son, oh my gosh, we gotta get you 883 00:46:06,964 --> 00:46:08,266 "to the hospital." 884 00:46:09,434 --> 00:46:11,719 And when I ran out to the street, I was like, 885 00:46:11,919 --> 00:46:14,747 "Help, please, somebody, help me, help me. 886 00:46:14,947 --> 00:46:17,775 "My mom, my son, his girlfriend, somebody." 887 00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:21,562 And I seen the fire department come, 888 00:46:21,762 --> 00:46:25,074 and he parked, he stopped right there, 889 00:46:25,274 --> 00:46:28,586 and there. 890 00:46:44,102 --> 00:46:47,906 I just needed help, my mom was dyin'. 891 00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:49,307 Crystal was dyin', 892 00:46:49,507 --> 00:46:51,993 I needed to help my son he was, they were dying. 893 00:46:52,193 --> 00:46:54,479 It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. 894 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,065 The ambulance passed by me, he passed by me, 895 00:46:58,265 --> 00:47:01,452 and I looked, and I'm goin', "Right here, 896 00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:05,656 "come on, jump the island, I'm think, I'm like, 897 00:47:05,856 --> 00:47:07,141 "get right here." 898 00:47:07,341 --> 00:47:08,426 They didn't come. 899 00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:12,563 He yelled at me, he yelled at me, he was like, 900 00:47:12,763 --> 00:47:15,066 "We can't do anything until we get." 901 00:47:15,266 --> 00:47:17,335 And I was where I could see a group of police 902 00:47:17,535 --> 00:47:19,270 down here already. 903 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,490 What makes you think that it wasn't clear. 904 00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:25,952 They're walkin' around my mom, and my son, 905 00:47:26,152 --> 00:47:29,414 and his girlfriend, and they're dying. 906 00:47:29,614 --> 00:47:33,584 They didn't get no help. 907 00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:04,983 Amen. 908 00:48:11,422 --> 00:48:13,024 - Let us all pray. 909 00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:14,692 Lord God, we come before you, 910 00:48:14,892 --> 00:48:19,064 just once again, asking you God to strengthen the family. 911 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:24,835 Lord, I ask, that you open up the kingdom of heaven 912 00:48:25,035 --> 00:48:28,206 for the grandmother, for the young girl. 913 00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:32,410 I ask God that you give the son a speedy recovery. 914 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:36,147 Lord, I ask that you continue to hold on 915 00:48:36,347 --> 00:48:37,883 to this community. 916 00:48:38,083 --> 00:48:41,252 All the resources that we have, that we need. 917 00:48:41,452 --> 00:48:43,088 We ask God that you touch the community, 918 00:48:43,288 --> 00:48:45,473 touch these politicians, touch the congressmen, 919 00:48:45,673 --> 00:48:47,858 touch everybody lettin' 'em know that we need 920 00:48:48,058 --> 00:48:48,726 more help here. 921 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:51,529 We need help here, Lord. 922 00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:53,264 All the funding that's goin' around, 923 00:48:53,464 --> 00:48:55,333 that's given out to other places in the world, 924 00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:56,934 we need it right here in Englewood. 925 00:48:57,134 --> 00:48:58,536 We need it right here in Compton. 926 00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:00,404 We need it right here in LA. 927 00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:02,273 We need it right here in Watts. 928 00:49:02,473 --> 00:49:03,942 Let 'em hear us, God. 929 00:49:04,142 --> 00:49:06,477 We need resources oh God, so we can put this, 930 00:49:06,677 --> 00:49:09,047 just a stop onto this nonsense. 931 00:49:10,548 --> 00:49:13,018 I ask God in the name of Jesus, we rebuke that demon 932 00:49:13,218 --> 00:49:14,752 in the name of Jesus. 933 00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:17,288 We rebuke him in the name of Jesus. 934 00:49:17,488 --> 00:49:19,590 I ask that you clear this neighborhood God, 935 00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:21,492 with all this evilness. 936 00:49:21,692 --> 00:49:23,461 Lord with all the programs goin' on, 937 00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:26,064 all the interventionists that's doin' the work, 938 00:49:26,264 --> 00:49:29,334 I ask God that you continue to give them the resources 939 00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:31,702 that we need to continue to better the families. 940 00:49:31,902 --> 00:49:34,039 You said raise up a child in the way that they should be, 941 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,574 and when they grow old, they will not depart. 942 00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:39,477 So we need to take our communities back. 943 00:49:39,677 --> 00:49:41,579 But we need, oh God, your help 944 00:49:41,779 --> 00:49:44,565 to get it to the people that can change some things. 945 00:49:44,765 --> 00:49:47,552 In the mighty name of Jesus we pray to you and only you. 946 00:49:47,752 --> 00:49:49,820 Let everyone that hears the sound of my voice say, 947 00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:50,455 "Thank God." 948 00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:51,389 Thank God. 949 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:52,523 - And amen. 950 00:49:52,723 --> 00:49:53,458 Amen. 951 00:49:53,658 --> 00:49:56,794 We need to change some policies, I know that. 952 00:49:56,994 --> 00:50:00,131 We need some policy changes, in this case. 953 00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:00,965 - In 2009, 954 00:50:03,301 --> 00:50:05,203 things were so troubling. 955 00:50:05,403 --> 00:50:10,275 Cameras at that time, were coming out and finding that 956 00:50:10,475 --> 00:50:12,943 hysterical mother, that hysterical wife, 957 00:50:13,143 --> 00:50:14,980 that hysterical girlfriend, 958 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:17,815 and putting that camera in her face. 959 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,218 And they were askin', "Well how do you feel?" 960 00:50:20,418 --> 00:50:22,053 That's such a stupid question. 961 00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:23,921 I'm just gonna use a plain word for it. 962 00:50:24,121 --> 00:50:25,790 I'm not trying to be political correct. 963 00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:27,158 It was a stupid question. 964 00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:29,860 So when the media stopped coming to the vigils 965 00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:32,363 and the murders, turned their backs on us, 966 00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:36,734 and just didn't care anymore, and it was so obvious. 967 00:50:38,503 --> 00:50:42,573 A higher power stepped in and told me to take it to the air. 968 00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:45,676 And I thought, I can't do that. 969 00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:48,579 I don't know anything about radio. 970 00:50:48,779 --> 00:50:52,016 And I just found myself over there in that office 971 00:50:52,216 --> 00:50:54,919 one Monday, asking for a time slot, 972 00:50:56,087 --> 00:50:57,905 and paying them for that 30 minutes 973 00:50:58,105 --> 00:50:59,724 that turned into Gang Talk Radio. 974 00:50:59,924 --> 00:51:00,992 The opinions expressed on the 975 00:51:01,192 --> 00:51:03,494 following program are those of the speaker, 976 00:51:03,694 --> 00:51:08,099 and do not necessarily reflect the views of KTYM radio, 977 00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:11,369 its staff, management, or clients. 978 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:13,104 - Well, hello, hello, hello. 979 00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:15,473 God bless you community family, and welcome to 980 00:51:15,673 --> 00:51:17,642 Gang Talk with Sister Herron and Skip Townsend. 981 00:51:17,842 --> 00:51:22,713 I took on that name because I had a passion for homicide. 982 00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:26,217 I didn't go with any dedicated plan, 983 00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:27,818 I kinda backed into it. 984 00:51:28,018 --> 00:51:30,155 And backed into it because there was a need. 985 00:51:30,355 --> 00:51:35,293 There was no voice, no voice out here speaking to this 986 00:51:35,493 --> 00:51:37,728 and I didn't really go with an objective, 987 00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,966 other than to discuss this horror. 988 00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:44,586 I asked you here for a very specific purpose, 989 00:51:44,786 --> 00:51:48,206 that was, to share your, a little bit about your 990 00:51:50,341 --> 00:51:54,295 history and how it brought you to where you are now. 991 00:51:54,495 --> 00:51:58,449 The best gift in the show is to hear those wide-range 992 00:51:58,649 --> 00:52:00,485 of voices, not just mine. 993 00:52:00,685 --> 00:52:03,854 Hear the men, hear the women, hear the kids, 994 00:52:04,054 --> 00:52:06,091 hear the public leadership. 995 00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:10,145 One day at school, I remember the school being shut down. 996 00:52:10,345 --> 00:52:14,199 Somebody said, "The Crips are coming, the Crips are coming." 997 00:52:14,399 --> 00:52:17,535 And so, I'm thinkin', who are the Crips? 998 00:52:17,735 --> 00:52:20,638 Who has this much power to shut down a school? 999 00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:24,775 I kinda took a pledge right then, within myself to say, 1000 00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:27,945 whatever has that amount of power, I wanted in, 1001 00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,730 I wanted in on that power. 1002 00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:31,516 I wanted to be a part a that. 1003 00:52:31,716 --> 00:52:32,517 - What was the pull, 1004 00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:34,252 did you wanna belong to that 1005 00:52:34,452 --> 00:52:35,853 fellowship of men? 1006 00:52:36,053 --> 00:52:39,457 Was it glamorized, was it a safety net, 1007 00:52:39,657 --> 00:52:41,892 was it just a sense of belonging? 1008 00:52:42,092 --> 00:52:46,364 To see, young men, walkin', marchin' together, 1009 00:52:46,564 --> 00:52:49,734 hangin' out together, that solidarity that they had, 1010 00:52:49,934 --> 00:52:52,370 it gave them a status in the community. 1011 00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:54,272 So I wanted to be a part a that. 1012 00:52:54,472 --> 00:52:57,892 That was the mission statement a Gang Talk, originally, 1013 00:52:58,092 --> 00:53:01,512 was to dialogue about this, try to get more people engaged 1014 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,483 to wake up, become sensitive to it, 1015 00:53:06,684 --> 00:53:08,986 don't treat it like it's somebody else's problem, 1016 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,488 it's right in your neighborhood. 1017 00:53:10,688 --> 00:53:12,357 So it evolved that way. 1018 00:53:12,557 --> 00:53:16,160 You know, listenin' to Ben, I was more infatuated 1019 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,495 as well as 1020 00:53:17,695 --> 00:53:22,166 in fear of the power that I seen these guys had had. 1021 00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:23,834 As I walked to and from school, 1022 00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:26,571 and to protect my little brother and my sister, 1023 00:53:26,771 --> 00:53:28,073 I had to be a part a somethin', 1024 00:53:28,273 --> 00:53:30,108 because I didn't have the strength. 1025 00:53:30,308 --> 00:53:32,977 So at that time, I joined the community gang. 1026 00:53:33,177 --> 00:53:33,811 And, 1027 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,247 from there on out, 1028 00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:39,149 my life has kinda like been really... 1029 00:53:40,751 --> 00:53:41,919 You don't have to explain it, 1030 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:42,953 - Thank you. 1031 00:53:43,153 --> 00:53:44,189 Because we've all kind of lived it. 1032 00:53:44,389 --> 00:53:46,991 We've all been in this nightmare together, 1033 00:53:47,191 --> 00:53:49,794 from these beginnings that seemed so innocent, 1034 00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,796 to what brings us here today. 1035 00:53:51,996 --> 00:53:52,997 What is my role? 1036 00:53:53,197 --> 00:53:56,467 Is to be a participant in the recovery. 1037 00:53:57,968 --> 00:54:01,739 That's my role, and to encourage others to be engaged 1038 00:54:01,939 --> 00:54:06,110 in a recovery, and to be aware that a recovery is necessary. 1039 00:54:07,912 --> 00:54:09,080 So that's my role. 1040 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,981 What got you here, Bishop? 1041 00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:14,985 Thank you, one incident that really changed my life is, 1042 00:54:15,185 --> 00:54:18,989 I got into an altercation with some little young guys, 1043 00:54:19,189 --> 00:54:21,359 shot at me, and did not hit me. 1044 00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,829 Turned around, it was bullet holes all in of my grill 1045 00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:26,331 and tire went flat. 1046 00:54:26,531 --> 00:54:31,101 And I was not hit, but I went to go and grab a weapon 1047 00:54:31,301 --> 00:54:32,170 to retaliate. 1048 00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:34,205 And when I went to go grab this weapon, 1049 00:54:34,405 --> 00:54:36,907 it always brings tears to my eyes 'cause it's so true, 1050 00:54:37,107 --> 00:54:39,610 'cause I know how, a lot a times people give testimonies, 1051 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:41,379 they testimony turns into a brag, 1052 00:54:41,579 --> 00:54:44,615 but I just have to brag on how Jesus helped me this day, 1053 00:54:44,815 --> 00:54:48,368 because when I went to go get this weapon to retaliate, 1054 00:54:48,568 --> 00:54:51,864 it was a Bible where I usually would keep a pistol. 1055 00:54:52,064 --> 00:54:55,360 And that was a Saturday night, and the next day, 1056 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:56,761 I mean God spoke to me right then, 1057 00:54:56,961 --> 00:54:57,962 said you don't get no more chances. 1058 00:54:58,162 --> 00:55:00,365 Everybody, you don't get no more chances. 1059 00:55:00,565 --> 00:55:03,501 That next day I went and got baptized by Dr. Garon Harden, 1060 00:55:03,701 --> 00:55:06,371 at Long Beach Greater Open Door. 1061 00:55:06,571 --> 00:55:08,606 And I was so wicked I got double-dipped, 1062 00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,074 I got double-dipped. 1063 00:55:10,274 --> 00:55:12,210 - I'm a community partner. 1064 00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:15,079 I'm a stakeholder in my neighborhood. 1065 00:55:15,279 --> 00:55:19,116 I'm the neighbor, I'm the next door neighbor, 1066 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:21,051 I'm not the leader. 1067 00:55:21,251 --> 00:55:22,553 I'm the next door neighbor. 1068 00:55:22,753 --> 00:55:26,090 I'm the mother that raised my children under this threat. 1069 00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:29,627 I'm the neighbor that's got bullet holes in my house too. 1070 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:33,280 They've shot up my neighborhood, I'm not unique. 1071 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,934 I'm just somebody, that has a big enough mouth, 1072 00:55:37,134 --> 00:55:39,837 that thought it was worth investing 1073 00:55:41,071 --> 00:55:42,640 my passion in this, 1074 00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,910 and everything else has come about because of that. 1075 00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:49,980 If I wasn't engaged, I wouldn't be on the radio. 1076 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:52,499 I played Russian Roulette with my life, 1077 00:55:52,699 --> 00:55:54,819 ever since 1977 when I joined the gang. 1078 00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:59,690 I've been in and out of prison, in and out of institutions. 1079 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:01,426 I've been addicted to gang bangin', 1080 00:56:01,626 --> 00:56:03,127 I've been addicted to drugs, 1081 00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:05,763 I've been addicted to everything negative. 1082 00:56:05,963 --> 00:56:08,032 Today, I'm tryin' something positive. 1083 00:56:08,232 --> 00:56:09,817 I believe in this second chance 1084 00:56:10,017 --> 00:56:11,402 and I'm tryin' somethin' positive. 1085 00:56:11,602 --> 00:56:14,605 When I walked into the church of Cease Fire meeting, 1086 00:56:14,805 --> 00:56:17,408 and the people they accepted me. 1087 00:56:17,608 --> 00:56:20,010 It was a blessing for me, and it brought tears to my eyes 1088 00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,880 knowin' that the mothers and fathers that was there 1089 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,699 that have lost a loved one to gang violent, 1090 00:56:25,899 --> 00:56:28,519 and their child wasn't even a part of a gang, 1091 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,988 I felt that I was a part of their loss, 1092 00:56:31,188 --> 00:56:33,424 because there's no good thing about a gang. 1093 00:56:33,624 --> 00:56:36,293 There's two ways out, death or imprisonment, 1094 00:56:36,493 --> 00:56:39,613 unless you open your eyes and realize that, 1095 00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:42,933 take all opportunities to turn over a new leaf. 1096 00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:44,935 - If I wasn't with these folks, 1097 00:56:45,135 --> 00:56:48,373 I wouldn't have a radio show called Gang Talk. 1098 00:56:48,573 --> 00:56:52,810 You see, they've all kinda come together out of that need 1099 00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:55,779 for this healing that has come about. 1100 00:56:55,979 --> 00:56:58,749 So, my job is just the mouthpiece. 1101 00:56:58,949 --> 00:56:59,784 Really. 1102 00:56:59,984 --> 00:57:01,986 We have to embrace you. 1103 00:57:02,186 --> 00:57:04,455 How are we gonna close the door to our family, 1104 00:57:04,655 --> 00:57:05,523 that's who you are. 1105 00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:07,258 You're a member of my family, 1106 00:57:07,458 --> 00:57:08,793 you're a member of my community. 1107 00:57:08,993 --> 00:57:12,396 If I close the door to you, you're gonna stay angry. 1108 00:57:12,596 --> 00:57:14,248 You're never gonna get a chance to 1109 00:57:14,448 --> 00:57:15,900 know what it is to be redeemed. 1110 00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:18,936 And as believers, we're suppose to practice redemption, 1111 00:57:19,136 --> 00:57:20,170 aren't we? 1112 00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:21,305 That's right, yeah, that's right. 1113 00:57:21,505 --> 00:57:22,540 - Okay, that includes you. 1114 00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:24,609 Especially anybody looking for it, huh Bishop? 1115 00:57:24,809 --> 00:57:27,128 That's right, I mean I was the chief a sinners, 1116 00:57:27,328 --> 00:57:29,647 but God said I did in ignorance and unbelief, 1117 00:57:29,847 --> 00:57:30,915 so I didn't know no better, 1118 00:57:31,115 --> 00:57:33,518 but now I know better, I do better. 1119 00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:36,286 And you're teaching, you're teaching and sharing. 1120 00:57:36,486 --> 00:57:38,088 I haven't lost my passion for it 1121 00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:39,890 because my message hasn't changed. 1122 00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:40,958 And my message is, 1123 00:57:41,158 --> 00:57:44,261 how do we save our kids from killing themselves? 1124 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:47,364 Do you wanna live, yes or no? 1125 00:57:47,564 --> 00:57:50,267 And they have to answer me. 1126 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:53,838 And that's the hard question to ask these young men now. 1127 00:57:54,038 --> 00:57:55,573 Do you wanna live, yes or no? 1128 00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:59,777 And you'd be surprised at the answer you'll get. 1129 00:58:00,945 --> 00:58:02,880 That's the sad thing, you'll be surprised 1130 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,049 by the answers you'll get. 1131 00:59:47,952 --> 00:59:49,553 I got a call early Sunday morning 1132 00:59:49,753 --> 00:59:51,088 regarding a double homicide 1133 00:59:51,288 --> 00:59:53,507 possibly related to a traffic accident, 1134 00:59:53,707 --> 00:59:55,926 in the area of 50th Street and Figuro 1135 00:59:56,126 --> 00:59:57,561 in the city of Los Angeles. 1136 00:59:57,761 --> 00:59:58,996 It was a early Sunday morning, 1137 00:59:59,196 --> 01:00:00,998 it was a beautiful California day. 1138 01:00:01,198 --> 01:00:04,818 There's a church right up the street with a lot a cars. 1139 01:00:05,018 --> 01:00:08,639 It's unusual for a double homicide to occur like that. 1140 01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:19,349 Can we hold just to this block, in the house? 1141 01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:20,685 Are you guys good with that? 1142 01:00:20,885 --> 01:00:22,753 We can close at 4-9 Place, and 5-1, 1143 01:00:22,953 --> 01:00:23,821 - Right. 1144 01:00:24,021 --> 01:00:25,589 Still keep this tape, still keep Flower taped, 1145 01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:26,523 Flower's open. 1146 01:00:26,723 --> 01:00:27,257 - Yeah, yeah. 1147 01:00:27,457 --> 01:00:28,693 - Yeah, take your units. 1148 01:00:28,893 --> 01:00:31,628 When I got there, it was obviously a tactical situation. 1149 01:00:31,828 --> 01:00:34,564 Does this other female have a freakin' cell phone, 1150 01:00:34,764 --> 01:00:35,733 call her, hey, 1151 01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:38,402 give her an opportunity, "You got a key to that place? 1152 01:00:38,602 --> 01:00:39,704 "If not, we're gonna kick in the door." 1153 01:00:39,904 --> 01:00:43,107 Give her that option, but hey, we're not gonna play here. 1154 01:00:43,307 --> 01:00:44,575 The uniform personnel like our SEU, 1155 01:00:44,775 --> 01:00:47,194 and our patrol units render a certain location safe. 1156 01:00:47,394 --> 01:00:49,814 Meaning they clear it, or get the people out of it, 1157 01:00:50,014 --> 01:00:51,966 be sure it's safe so I can do my job. 1158 01:00:52,166 --> 01:00:53,918 We got containment, we got set up, 1159 01:00:54,118 --> 01:00:56,220 made it all the way out, because we have to 1160 01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:59,156 because we cannot put these detectives down-range 1161 01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:00,791 and start conducting investigations 1162 01:01:00,991 --> 01:01:05,162 until we are sure that no one else is in that house. 1163 01:01:07,264 --> 01:01:09,516 Well, the one guy, he set up his camera right away, 1164 01:01:09,716 --> 01:01:11,969 'cause he knew that he was gonna be pushed back. 1165 01:01:12,169 --> 01:01:13,337 And he started filmin' and I said, 1166 01:01:13,537 --> 01:01:14,838 "Okay, look, you gotta do me a favor, 1167 01:01:15,038 --> 01:01:16,140 you can't show the license plates." 1168 01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:19,043 I said, "We, this thing may still be in play." 1169 01:01:19,243 --> 01:01:21,478 The media tries to find out, to give to the public, 1170 01:01:21,678 --> 01:01:24,681 obviously is it gang related? 1171 01:01:24,881 --> 01:01:26,016 Was this random? 1172 01:01:27,217 --> 01:01:29,019 A personal killing, that type of thing. 1173 01:01:29,219 --> 01:01:30,287 And we give them what we know. 1174 01:01:30,487 --> 01:01:31,855 And if we're not sure, we usually don't give it. 1175 01:01:32,055 --> 01:01:33,423 Because we don't wanna give out mis-information 1176 01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:34,592 to the public. 1177 01:01:34,792 --> 01:01:36,060 So you see the two cars behind us here. 1178 01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:38,963 Those individuals were some how or other involved in 1179 01:01:39,163 --> 01:01:40,765 some form of road rage last night. 1180 01:01:40,965 --> 01:01:44,134 They ended up here, at which point our suspects walked up 1181 01:01:44,334 --> 01:01:46,070 one them carrying a shotgun. 1182 01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:48,689 He basically asked, what set you're from, 1183 01:01:48,889 --> 01:01:51,108 basically asking what gang you're from. 1184 01:01:51,308 --> 01:01:53,543 The homicides we usually investigate are usually 1185 01:01:53,743 --> 01:01:56,013 senseless, of no reason. 1186 01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,315 He'd mistaken these two innocent 1187 01:01:58,515 --> 01:02:00,417 individuals as gang members. 1188 01:02:00,617 --> 01:02:04,154 And he shot 'em close range with a shotgun. 1189 01:02:08,158 --> 01:02:09,426 - About half a block down, 1190 01:02:09,626 --> 01:02:12,162 the family noticed some blood down there, on the street. 1191 01:02:12,362 --> 01:02:13,964 So we wanna swab that, right. 1192 01:02:14,164 --> 01:02:15,933 Keep somethin' in mind, all this brain matter, 1193 01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:17,734 and all this stuff out here, 1194 01:02:17,934 --> 01:02:19,336 the coroner's got it, okay? 1195 01:02:19,536 --> 01:02:22,840 So, we'll photograph it, but they'll collect all that stuff. 1196 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:23,841 The first thing you need to do, 1197 01:02:24,041 --> 01:02:26,110 is you need to call SID print check, 1198 01:02:26,310 --> 01:02:28,278 see if there's room down there for these cars too. 1199 01:02:28,478 --> 01:02:29,346 - Okay I'll do that right now. 1200 01:02:29,546 --> 01:02:32,716 So SID for electronics, and then the print check 1201 01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:33,550 to make sure there's room. 1202 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,184 - Right. 1203 01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:36,320 Okay. 1204 01:02:45,595 --> 01:02:49,766 In 1995, my only child Reginald was murdered in San Pedro. 1205 01:02:50,935 --> 01:02:54,504 As of today, his case is still unsolved. 1206 01:02:54,704 --> 01:02:55,940 It has been my dream for years 1207 01:02:56,140 --> 01:02:58,208 to have an unsolved homicides summit, 1208 01:02:58,408 --> 01:03:00,477 after meeting so many of you families 1209 01:03:00,677 --> 01:03:02,179 who cases were unsolved. 1210 01:03:02,379 --> 01:03:05,883 This summit will focus on the challenges and solutions 1211 01:03:06,083 --> 01:03:07,952 surrounding unsolved homicides. 1212 01:03:08,152 --> 01:03:09,954 LaWanda got involved with the families, 1213 01:03:10,154 --> 01:03:13,807 she shared the grief, she lost a child to homicide. 1214 01:03:14,007 --> 01:03:17,661 So she was able to share her grief with other folks, 1215 01:03:17,861 --> 01:03:20,113 and that over the years has really grown. 1216 01:03:20,313 --> 01:03:22,366 And so then I have this little woman, 1217 01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:26,370 who come knocking on my door one day, 1218 01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:27,804 "My name is LaWanda Hawkins." 1219 01:03:30,174 --> 01:03:32,442 She changed my life. 1220 01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:35,212 She's the veteran, she's the OG that really started a lot 1221 01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:36,546 of what we see. 1222 01:03:36,746 --> 01:03:40,584 There's a period of time when, in law enforcement, 1223 01:03:40,784 --> 01:03:42,519 and on the news beat or on TV, 1224 01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,155 where we called cases "cold cases." 1225 01:03:45,355 --> 01:03:48,008 But when you really got to thinkin' about it, 1226 01:03:48,208 --> 01:03:51,470 that was a term that never should've been used. 1227 01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:54,932 And LaWanda was somebody who reminded me of that. 1228 01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:58,802 - Who I feel I'm serving is 1229 01:04:00,637 --> 01:04:02,706 the family of the victim. 1230 01:04:03,908 --> 01:04:07,144 To bring them some sense of justice. 1231 01:04:07,344 --> 01:04:11,348 But, by doing that, you also serve the community 1232 01:04:12,516 --> 01:04:16,753 because you've taken a murderer off the street. 1233 01:04:16,953 --> 01:04:17,922 - I'm a ticked off old lady 1234 01:04:18,122 --> 01:04:20,224 about what's happened in my family. 1235 01:04:20,424 --> 01:04:22,192 And I know all of you are too. 1236 01:04:22,392 --> 01:04:25,979 First of all, I am the sister of Nicky Thompson, 1237 01:04:26,179 --> 01:04:29,766 who was murdered, along with his wife, Trudy. 1238 01:04:29,966 --> 01:04:33,103 And it took us 18 years to get to trial. 1239 01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:37,057 Before Nick and Trudy were murdered, 1240 01:04:37,257 --> 01:04:39,643 our only son, Scott, was also murdered. 1241 01:04:41,078 --> 01:04:43,080 He was murdered by somebody that was out on bail 1242 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,282 for killing somebody else. 1243 01:04:45,482 --> 01:04:47,617 And I was told at the recent parole hearing, 1244 01:04:47,817 --> 01:04:52,089 "Mrs. Campbell, it no longer matters about what this man 1245 01:04:52,289 --> 01:04:55,208 "did, it's whether he's been good in prison." 1246 01:04:55,408 --> 01:04:58,128 Even though he premeditated our son's murder, 1247 01:04:58,328 --> 01:05:00,630 strangled him, bloodied him up, threw him out of an airplane 1248 01:05:00,830 --> 01:05:02,366 so the sharks would eat him. 1249 01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:06,670 No parent ever expects to bury their own child. 1250 01:05:07,637 --> 01:05:08,472 No parent. 1251 01:05:09,806 --> 01:05:11,641 I wasn't prepared. 1252 01:05:11,841 --> 01:05:13,677 Everything I had lived for at that juncture, 1253 01:05:13,877 --> 01:05:18,815 up to that point, was to leave him in a better state 1254 01:05:19,015 --> 01:05:20,250 than I was left in. 1255 01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:22,152 But it didn't happen that way. 1256 01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:26,456 I always view murder victims as lost souls. 1257 01:05:26,656 --> 01:05:28,558 And there are a lot of loss souls that always are 1258 01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:30,294 circling in my mind. 1259 01:05:30,494 --> 01:05:32,763 And it's a struggle that I deal with, 1260 01:05:32,963 --> 01:05:35,732 but it's a struggle that's a good one in some respects 1261 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:39,703 'cause we can, then it keeps me focused on pushing forward. 1262 01:05:39,903 --> 01:05:44,008 We bond with a lot of the families of victims 1263 01:05:44,208 --> 01:05:47,811 because we end up going through a very traumatic event 1264 01:05:48,011 --> 01:05:48,946 with that family. 1265 01:05:49,146 --> 01:05:51,748 And it's very difficult not to form a bond, 1266 01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:56,520 being there, notifying a family of a loved one's death, 1267 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,787 and then taking 1268 01:06:00,024 --> 01:06:01,859 and investigating that murder 1269 01:06:02,059 --> 01:06:04,461 and to try to bring some closure to that family. 1270 01:06:04,661 --> 01:06:07,797 It's hard to avoid a bond being created. 1271 01:06:09,466 --> 01:06:12,136 * I am troubled 1272 01:06:14,371 --> 01:06:17,390 * If not distressed 1273 01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:20,610 * Perplexed but 1274 01:06:21,778 --> 01:06:24,514 * Not in despair 1275 01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:29,519 * I'm a vessel 1276 01:06:31,088 --> 01:06:33,991 * Full of power 1277 01:06:34,191 --> 01:06:37,794 * With a treasure 1278 01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:41,398 * Hidden in me 1279 01:06:41,598 --> 01:06:43,600 I started in the prison ministry. 1280 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,170 I went to school to Long Beach Bible College. 1281 01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:50,407 I earned my Associate's Degree in Biblical Studies. 1282 01:06:50,607 --> 01:06:52,809 They had a program there to go down to 1283 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:54,778 East Lake Central Jail. 1284 01:06:54,978 --> 01:06:57,614 I was one a the first ones to sign up. 1285 01:06:57,814 --> 01:07:00,684 When I signed up, I was going down and ministering 1286 01:07:00,884 --> 01:07:02,586 to the young gang bangers. 1287 01:07:02,786 --> 01:07:06,072 I actually had to take off my suit and tie, 1288 01:07:06,272 --> 01:07:09,559 and show them my tattoos, let 'em know, look, 1289 01:07:09,759 --> 01:07:10,944 ya'll got the wrong person. 1290 01:07:11,144 --> 01:07:12,129 I didn't grow up in church. 1291 01:07:12,329 --> 01:07:13,830 This is me, this is where I came from, 1292 01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:15,299 and I'm tryin' to help you. 1293 01:07:15,499 --> 01:07:17,417 And for the Christian there is no greater joy 1294 01:07:17,617 --> 01:07:19,536 than to be in the presence of one that loves 1295 01:07:19,736 --> 01:07:21,705 like no one else can love. 1296 01:07:23,907 --> 01:07:26,610 So today I'm not, letting you know, 1297 01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:29,679 that I'm not going to eulogize a funeral 1298 01:07:29,879 --> 01:07:32,665 but eulogize a home-going celebration. 1299 01:07:32,865 --> 01:07:35,452 One gang member, I'll never forget, 1300 01:07:35,652 --> 01:07:38,722 he was the one that had tattoos all over his face, 1301 01:07:38,922 --> 01:07:43,727 all over his face, and in the group he was the tough guy. 1302 01:07:43,927 --> 01:07:46,763 But when it was after, when we had after-chapel, 1303 01:07:46,963 --> 01:07:48,448 he was one of the ones that I was able, 1304 01:07:48,648 --> 01:07:50,134 he had called me over in the corner, 1305 01:07:50,334 --> 01:07:51,701 and I was able to pray with him, 1306 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:54,638 and as I prayed with him, he just started crying. 1307 01:07:54,838 --> 01:07:57,057 And after that, it touched me, 1308 01:07:57,257 --> 01:07:59,276 where I knew that was my calling. 1309 01:07:59,476 --> 01:08:03,380 It's not a day of regret, but a day of rejoicing. 1310 01:08:03,580 --> 01:08:06,867 Today we come to remember the life of Dora, 1311 01:08:07,067 --> 01:08:10,354 and reminisce over all the special moments 1312 01:08:10,554 --> 01:08:12,422 that you had with her. 1313 01:08:12,622 --> 01:08:14,391 Leading the Crips to Christ, 1314 01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,526 leading the Bangers to the Bible, 1315 01:08:16,726 --> 01:08:18,462 leading the Harlots to holiness, 1316 01:08:18,662 --> 01:08:21,231 those are the people that I can minister to. 1317 01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:23,800 To get them closer to God, to let them know that 1318 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,803 they could do somethin' different than what they're doin'. 1319 01:08:27,003 --> 01:08:30,107 You know sometimes God will take people and 1320 01:08:30,307 --> 01:08:34,411 bring them with him to bring others closer to him. 1321 01:08:34,611 --> 01:08:38,481 I'll say it again, sometimes God will take people 1322 01:08:38,681 --> 01:08:42,552 to be with him, to bring others closer to him. 1323 01:08:44,954 --> 01:08:49,125 On last Friday, this church was full of gang members. 1324 01:08:51,661 --> 01:08:55,832 Out of, let's just say 50 people that was here, 1325 01:08:56,032 --> 01:08:58,302 at a funeral, that was a Friday, 1326 01:08:58,502 --> 01:09:01,438 the following Sunday, only one came. 1327 01:09:02,606 --> 01:09:04,908 But he came to give his life to the Lord. 1328 01:09:05,108 --> 01:09:07,677 I felt so good, I, job well done. 1329 01:09:07,877 --> 01:09:08,845 And it only took one. 1330 01:09:09,045 --> 01:09:11,648 But it's, as it go, more'll come. 1331 01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:15,385 My thing is, I teach one and save one, 1332 01:09:15,585 --> 01:09:16,886 and I done my job. 1333 01:09:18,188 --> 01:09:19,789 Come on let's give the Lord a hand a praise. 1334 01:09:21,057 --> 01:09:24,461 That's all it takes, that's all it takes. 1335 01:09:26,696 --> 01:09:28,965 This home-going celebration 1336 01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:32,369 for Miss Dora. 1337 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:38,107 As Shanita said, they used to call her Doe-Doe. 1338 01:09:39,943 --> 01:09:42,512 I really need you guys to know, 1339 01:09:44,548 --> 01:09:46,983 that she's in a better place. 1340 01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:52,272 To the young men and the young women, 1341 01:09:52,472 --> 01:09:55,058 don't get caught up in the foolishness 1342 01:09:55,258 --> 01:09:57,060 out here in the streets. 1343 01:09:59,229 --> 01:10:01,265 I lost my brother, he died, he got killed 1344 01:10:01,465 --> 01:10:02,932 and died in my arms. 1345 01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:08,154 There's so many things that I went through, 1346 01:10:08,354 --> 01:10:10,640 so many things that my family went through. 1347 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,310 I didn't grow up in church, neither did my family. 1348 01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:18,230 But when God saved me, I went back and got my family 1349 01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:22,151 and baptized my mama, my aunties and my little cousins. 1350 01:10:24,621 --> 01:10:25,722 But now as a family, 1351 01:10:25,922 --> 01:10:28,858 you guys gotta come together spiritually 1352 01:10:29,058 --> 01:10:30,860 and help each other out. 1353 01:10:51,448 --> 01:10:53,016 - Yes, this is Sal. 1354 01:10:55,885 --> 01:10:56,720 Sure. 1355 01:10:59,122 --> 01:10:59,956 Where at? 1356 01:11:01,691 --> 01:11:04,294 Is the body still at the scene? 1357 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:10,334 Okay, just driving time, let me get ready. 1358 01:11:10,534 --> 01:11:12,336 All right, see you guys. 1359 01:11:19,843 --> 01:11:22,579 For a number of years here during the Christmas season, 1360 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:26,616 we've done a Christmas tree, a tree decorating, 1361 01:11:26,816 --> 01:11:29,186 we've invited victims' families, 1362 01:11:29,386 --> 01:11:32,689 who've lost loved ones through homicide. 1363 01:11:32,889 --> 01:11:37,026 This individual right here is my son, 1364 01:11:37,226 --> 01:11:38,962 Brandon Vashon Blanton. 1365 01:11:39,162 --> 01:11:41,231 And I gotta say his whole name, 1366 01:11:41,431 --> 01:11:44,934 because he was more than just a statistic. 1367 01:11:45,935 --> 01:11:48,838 The thing that I struggle with, 1368 01:11:49,038 --> 01:11:51,741 is I don't remember his voice. 1369 01:11:51,941 --> 01:11:55,745 What it is, it's a place for them to begin to heal. 1370 01:11:55,945 --> 01:11:59,749 This person who took my son's life, has not been found. 1371 01:11:59,949 --> 01:12:01,017 And I just pray, 1372 01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:04,821 because I have cancer. 1373 01:12:05,021 --> 01:12:08,525 I just really wish that I live long enough 1374 01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:13,730 to where closure can be brought. 1375 01:12:15,131 --> 01:12:18,402 So could you please help us, please. 1376 01:12:18,602 --> 01:12:19,235 Thank you. 1377 01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:28,812 Radio call, shooting, right here in the alley. 1378 01:12:29,012 --> 01:12:31,314 Primary unit shows up, they're driving southbound 1379 01:12:31,514 --> 01:12:32,349 they get run into the alley. 1380 01:12:32,549 --> 01:12:34,117 And the witnesses drive into the alley, 1381 01:12:34,317 --> 01:12:36,119 see the taillights of the car, 1382 01:12:36,319 --> 01:12:37,987 they're not sure if it's a suspect or victim, 1383 01:12:38,187 --> 01:12:39,022 they don't know. 1384 01:12:39,222 --> 01:12:40,940 Eventually they approach the car, 1385 01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:42,659 find two people shot inside the car. 1386 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:46,095 So there's casings and one flips out a the car. 1387 01:12:46,295 --> 01:12:49,065 RA respond, both of them not responding 1388 01:12:49,265 --> 01:12:51,801 and pronounced dead at the scene. 1389 01:13:01,711 --> 01:13:02,812 And I hear in the background, 1390 01:13:03,012 --> 01:13:03,880 "Oh my God, Oh my God, 1391 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,783 "this man has been shot, this man has been shot." 1392 01:13:06,983 --> 01:13:09,235 And as I hear that, I see the paramedics, 1393 01:13:09,435 --> 01:13:11,688 I see the fire truck, and I see the police, 1394 01:13:11,888 --> 01:13:13,323 all go by me. 1395 01:13:13,523 --> 01:13:16,159 And in the phone, I'm hearing the same thing but I'm lookin' 1396 01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:17,461 and I'm seein' it. 1397 01:13:17,661 --> 01:13:19,295 I get out the car, I start runnin' down the street, 1398 01:13:19,495 --> 01:13:20,330 as I'm runnin' down the street, 1399 01:13:20,530 --> 01:13:22,348 they're putting a blanket over this guy. 1400 01:13:22,548 --> 01:13:24,367 I call him on his cell phone and ask, 1401 01:13:24,567 --> 01:13:26,370 I'm standin' there, 1402 01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:30,273 I see that phone, his phone is lightin' up 1403 01:13:30,473 --> 01:13:31,841 under the blankets. 1404 01:13:33,209 --> 01:13:35,979 It's really tough to sit through 1405 01:13:36,179 --> 01:13:37,747 and listen to the stories. 1406 01:13:37,947 --> 01:13:39,849 It's really difficult to see the children, 1407 01:13:40,049 --> 01:13:44,754 but there's a certain connection, especially with the kids. 1408 01:13:44,954 --> 01:13:47,056 You're the person, the detectives are the folks, 1409 01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:49,859 that helped catch the bad guy, 1410 01:13:50,059 --> 01:13:54,197 that hurt my daddy, hurt my mom, or shot my brother. 1411 01:13:54,397 --> 01:13:55,899 - The guy did get caught. 1412 01:13:56,099 --> 01:13:57,634 He got 120 years. 1413 01:13:57,834 --> 01:14:00,036 But to me, I still don't have no closure, 1414 01:14:00,236 --> 01:14:03,206 because tomorrow, at my son's Christmas party, 1415 01:14:03,406 --> 01:14:07,110 when he look out in the audience, his dad is not there. 1416 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:08,645 Because someone played God and shot him 1417 01:14:08,845 --> 01:14:11,431 in the back of his head, because of an argument. 1418 01:14:11,631 --> 01:14:14,692 It's a place like this, I can come to and I can 1419 01:14:14,892 --> 01:14:17,954 express myself without anybody trying to judge me. 1420 01:14:18,154 --> 01:14:20,023 'Cause when I try to tell somebody else, 1421 01:14:20,223 --> 01:14:22,208 "Aw you gettin' over it, you gettin' over it." 1422 01:14:22,408 --> 01:14:24,393 I said, "What do you mean get over it, why? 1423 01:14:24,593 --> 01:14:26,963 He was shot in front of his home, 1424 01:14:27,163 --> 01:14:29,198 because his daughter was having a argument 1425 01:14:29,398 --> 01:14:31,100 with some little thugs. 1426 01:14:32,235 --> 01:14:34,587 And as being the protector as he was, 1427 01:14:34,787 --> 01:14:37,715 he went outside to see what was goin' on. 1428 01:14:37,915 --> 01:14:40,731 And as a result of that, he lost his life. 1429 01:14:40,931 --> 01:14:43,547 There's that frustrating part of, 1430 01:14:43,747 --> 01:14:47,917 "Wow, we've done so much," and people still have this 1431 01:14:48,818 --> 01:14:50,053 violent streak. 1432 01:14:51,054 --> 01:14:53,322 - And I miss him very much. 1433 01:14:58,562 --> 01:15:00,930 At the beginning it was very hard for me. 1434 01:15:01,130 --> 01:15:03,299 I didn't know what to do with myself. 1435 01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:05,368 I didn't know what to do with my children, 1436 01:15:05,568 --> 01:15:07,537 how I was gonna do things. 1437 01:15:08,905 --> 01:15:11,758 And I did what everybody does. 1438 01:15:11,958 --> 01:15:14,611 Ask God, he's the only one. 1439 01:15:14,811 --> 01:15:18,882 He's the only one that's gonna help us. 1440 01:15:19,082 --> 01:15:20,116 So I decided to 1441 01:15:21,484 --> 01:15:22,819 raise up, 1442 01:15:23,019 --> 01:15:25,288 get up, and keep on living. 1443 01:15:27,557 --> 01:15:29,926 It's different for us grown-ups. 1444 01:15:30,126 --> 01:15:32,328 You know we understand, it's a little more deep. 1445 01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:33,929 But for the kids, to see 'em smile, 1446 01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:35,531 to be able to give them somethin', 1447 01:15:35,731 --> 01:15:36,866 just on that day. 1448 01:15:37,066 --> 01:15:39,402 And not to be reminded that they're comin' to the police 1449 01:15:39,602 --> 01:15:43,006 station for somethin' bad, or some bad news. 1450 01:15:43,206 --> 01:15:44,741 That they're here for somethin' good. 1451 01:15:44,941 --> 01:15:47,677 So I just wanna go ahead right now and say 1452 01:15:47,877 --> 01:15:52,749 thank you to each one of you for all the work that you do. 1453 01:15:52,949 --> 01:15:55,084 Perhaps the money doesn't come, 1454 01:15:55,284 --> 01:15:57,220 but you guys have the best rewards, 1455 01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:01,424 and that's people like us being grateful that you're here. 1456 01:16:01,624 --> 01:16:04,560 And I just want you guys, as you guys go home, 1457 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,497 think about all the blessings that we do have. 1458 01:16:07,697 --> 01:16:11,868 And even though we don't have our loved ones next to us, 1459 01:16:12,836 --> 01:16:14,904 but just their memories. 1460 01:16:15,104 --> 01:16:18,224 Are their memories gonna keep them alive? 1461 01:16:18,424 --> 01:16:21,544 They're dead until we use those memories, 1462 01:16:21,744 --> 01:16:23,813 and we don't wanna do that. 1463 01:16:33,022 --> 01:16:37,560 One murder just effects hundreds of lives. 1464 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,663 Whether it be the victim's families, 1465 01:16:39,863 --> 01:16:42,766 the detective's families, the neighborhood, 1466 01:16:42,966 --> 01:16:47,086 the community, the news media, the churches, the hospitals. 1467 01:16:47,286 --> 01:16:51,407 There's so many lives effected with the loss of one person 1468 01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:53,242 through violent death. 115353

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