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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,355 --> 00:00:47,357 Well it's so nice to hear your voice. 2 00:00:47,392 --> 00:00:48,910 I'll tell you what I'm doing; you know I'm doing this 3 00:00:48,945 --> 00:00:51,913 huge history of good old Truman Capote? 4 00:00:51,948 --> 00:00:53,812 Yes? 5 00:00:53,846 --> 00:00:57,367 And the people that he knew and who talk about him either pro or con 6 00:00:57,402 --> 00:01:00,129 they all seem to have their Truman stories. 7 00:01:00,163 --> 00:01:01,889 Yes? 8 00:01:01,923 --> 00:01:03,235 And I was wondering if you could gather up some of your memories? 9 00:01:04,616 --> 00:01:07,377 And one of the most seductive people I ever met. 10 00:01:07,412 --> 00:01:09,759 I thought he was a freak, absolute freak. 11 00:01:09,793 --> 00:01:12,727 One of the most lionized writers since Voltaire. 12 00:01:12,762 --> 00:01:14,281 It's a sleazy bit of work. 13 00:01:14,315 --> 00:01:16,110 Oh he was wicked. He was fun. 14 00:01:16,145 --> 00:01:18,250 He was totally made out of drugs. 15 00:01:18,285 --> 00:01:20,252 It would feel like a candied tarantula. 16 00:01:20,287 --> 00:01:22,599 It was still the naughty little kid in Truman. 17 00:01:22,634 --> 00:01:24,187 I haven't had a good laugh since he died. 18 00:01:27,777 --> 00:01:29,468 Do you think he's the writer of the moment? 19 00:01:29,503 --> 00:01:32,195 Do you think Truman's going to be read by generations? 20 00:01:40,272 --> 00:01:44,863 I'm Kate Harrington and I live in Sheridan, Wyoming. 21 00:01:48,384 --> 00:01:52,905 When I was 13 years old I was basically adopted by Truman. 22 00:01:55,287 --> 00:01:58,256 I met Truman in my mother's living room. 23 00:02:00,499 --> 00:02:04,848 And Truman was invited by my father to come have dinner. 24 00:02:04,883 --> 00:02:07,334 And he came in this big limousine 25 00:02:07,368 --> 00:02:11,234 out to our little neighbourhood, about an hour outside of Manhattan. 26 00:02:13,029 --> 00:02:15,583 And of course all the kids came to look at the limousine. 27 00:02:15,618 --> 00:02:18,517 I'd never met anybody who spoke like he did. 28 00:02:18,552 --> 00:02:21,900 Um, and at first I had to run into the kitchen 29 00:02:21,934 --> 00:02:27,181 and take a tea towel, and cover my face 'cause I laughed about his - the sound of his voice. 30 00:02:27,216 --> 00:02:29,390 And then my mother reprimanded me hardly. 31 00:02:30,598 --> 00:02:32,566 After that my father came home one day and said 32 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,431 I'm going to become his manager. 33 00:02:36,294 --> 00:02:38,192 So we said oh that's great. 34 00:02:39,435 --> 00:02:41,299 Wonderful, so we didn't think anything of it, 35 00:02:42,334 --> 00:02:43,784 but he and my father became lovers. 36 00:02:45,268 --> 00:02:48,547 They had an on and off relationship, very tumultuous. 37 00:02:48,582 --> 00:02:51,861 My father had a lot of problems. He was an alcoholic. 38 00:02:53,311 --> 00:02:56,176 When my dad left he left us with no money. 39 00:02:57,832 --> 00:03:02,561 Truman's number was up by the telephone, and so I called him and said 40 00:03:02,596 --> 00:03:06,738 do any of your friends need a helper this summer? I need to get a job. 41 00:03:06,772 --> 00:03:08,947 Truman treated me like an adult 42 00:03:08,981 --> 00:03:13,054 and just said OK, well why don't you come into New York 43 00:03:13,089 --> 00:03:15,367 and we'll have lunch and discuss it? 44 00:03:18,888 --> 00:03:22,340 So I took money out of the cookie jar, played hooky, 45 00:03:22,374 --> 00:03:25,929 got on the Long Island Railroad and went into New York. 46 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,591 Truman told me how to do it because I was so young. 47 00:03:33,765 --> 00:03:37,217 I gave the paper with the address to the taxi 48 00:03:39,391 --> 00:03:41,945 and I went there to have lunch with him. 49 00:03:45,742 --> 00:03:50,368 He said the only thing you can do at your age to make a good bit of money is model. 50 00:03:50,402 --> 00:03:54,268 I thought that was a crazy idea because I had never thought of myself in that way. 51 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:59,377 He took me to Richard Avedon Studio 52 00:04:01,724 --> 00:04:06,004 and just slowly, slowly, slowly my whole world began to change. 53 00:04:07,523 --> 00:04:11,699 'Cause he opened up the doors of literature, dance, 54 00:04:11,734 --> 00:04:14,392 art, music, fashion. 55 00:04:15,634 --> 00:04:18,534 And meeting all kinds of accomplished people. 56 00:04:22,848 --> 00:04:26,438 He always said he was writing a wonderful book about them. 57 00:04:27,543 --> 00:04:30,649 Um, I used to get bored at the lunches 58 00:04:30,684 --> 00:04:34,619 and so he told me once on the way there that what I should do 59 00:04:34,653 --> 00:04:39,382 is sit in the booth and listen to the conversation of the people next to us. 60 00:04:41,039 --> 00:04:44,870 And on the way home I could tell him everything they talked about. 61 00:04:44,905 --> 00:04:46,872 It was sort of fun for him. 62 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,944 And ever since then when I go to restaurants 63 00:04:49,979 --> 00:04:52,050 I kind of do that out of habit. 64 00:04:52,982 --> 00:04:54,328 And I would write in my journal. 65 00:04:56,192 --> 00:05:00,610 Tell me are you a real writer? It depends on what you mean by real. 66 00:05:00,645 --> 00:05:05,028 Well darling, does anyone buy what you write? 67 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:06,961 Not yet. 68 00:05:08,135 --> 00:05:11,690 I'm going to help you she said. I can too. 69 00:05:11,725 --> 00:05:14,383 Think of all the people I know who know people. 70 00:05:16,177 --> 00:05:20,630 Fix me a drink darling, then you can read me a story yourself. 71 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:29,708 In America there is only one social class 72 00:05:30,847 --> 00:05:32,987 that really matters in a cultural sense. 73 00:05:34,437 --> 00:05:37,682 And that is the quote "high society of New York." 74 00:05:40,857 --> 00:05:42,583 I mean you can be the richest 75 00:05:42,618 --> 00:05:45,068 and most famous person in Boise, Idaho and it doesn't matter. 76 00:05:46,518 --> 00:05:49,625 Unless you're famous in New York you're not famous. 77 00:05:51,799 --> 00:05:53,836 These people took him up. 78 00:05:55,044 --> 00:05:57,115 Truman saw everything and he remembered it. 79 00:05:58,668 --> 00:06:01,153 Sooner or later he was going to put it down on paper. 80 00:06:03,846 --> 00:06:07,919 An assortment of celebrated people pay $50 to sip the bubbly 81 00:06:07,953 --> 00:06:10,162 and exchanged small talk. 82 00:06:10,197 --> 00:06:14,512 Mr. Capote was on hand for a benefit preview of his newest offering. 83 00:06:14,546 --> 00:06:18,826 You're a part of the in-crowd. You're also referred to as the beautiful people, 84 00:06:18,861 --> 00:06:20,552 do you know what that phrase means? 85 00:06:22,830 --> 00:06:25,143 I don't think that any such thing really exists. 86 00:06:26,455 --> 00:06:28,146 It doesn't mean anything. Does it to you? 87 00:06:29,596 --> 00:06:30,838 I don't know what it means. 88 00:06:30,873 --> 00:06:31,667 Well I don't know then. 89 00:06:31,701 --> 00:06:32,668 Maybe you could tell me. 90 00:06:34,497 --> 00:06:36,119 Thank you. 91 00:06:38,294 --> 00:06:41,504 Truman started his day getting a cup of coffee 92 00:06:41,539 --> 00:06:44,024 and sitting, and talking to gossip columnists. 93 00:06:45,819 --> 00:06:49,926 He'd trade all the gossip and they would discuss all the happenings, 94 00:06:49,961 --> 00:06:53,585 secrets and you know I'd hear him laughing hysterically 95 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:56,208 that kind of hilarious, guttural laugh. 96 00:07:00,799 --> 00:07:02,145 Oh well that wasn't in the thing... 97 00:07:30,346 --> 00:07:35,489 He was a fantastic gossip. He knew everything. So you could sit next to 98 00:07:35,524 --> 00:07:37,595 Truman it was just a dream come true 99 00:07:37,629 --> 00:07:41,046 because he would just you know? 100 00:07:41,081 --> 00:07:42,772 Just spill it all out. 101 00:07:45,603 --> 00:07:47,501 So you would just eat it up. 102 00:07:49,158 --> 00:07:52,161 And thank god he he never thought he wanted to write about me 103 00:07:53,265 --> 00:07:56,096 'cause God knows what I told him. 104 00:07:57,373 --> 00:07:59,962 And he was bitchy, but he was smart. 105 00:07:59,996 --> 00:08:00,928 I really mean this. 106 00:08:00,963 --> 00:08:02,723 Yeah? 107 00:08:02,758 --> 00:08:06,520 That the less intelligent the performer is the better he is. 108 00:08:06,555 --> 00:08:13,527 For instance Marlon Brando is an absolutely marvellous actor, 109 00:08:13,562 --> 00:08:15,805 but he's so dumb it makes your skin crawl. 110 00:08:19,153 --> 00:08:21,880 He'd encourage you to come up with stories 111 00:08:21,915 --> 00:08:26,298 which he would then make much more Trumanesque and-and bizarre, 112 00:08:27,852 --> 00:08:31,269 and conversations with him were-were-were enormous fun 113 00:08:31,303 --> 00:08:34,997 and had very little to do with the truth. 114 00:08:36,895 --> 00:08:41,210 I can't remember exactly when I first met Truman because he was everywhere. 115 00:08:41,244 --> 00:08:44,662 Any sort of big party you went to in New York I mean there was Truman. 116 00:08:45,904 --> 00:08:49,114 You think you could cut that scene out? 117 00:08:50,909 --> 00:08:53,705 New York for many of us is the ultimate destination. 118 00:08:55,604 --> 00:08:59,331 The biggest stage that there is. In New York nobody cares where you came from. 119 00:09:00,954 --> 00:09:04,716 Nobody cares you know really even where you went to school 120 00:09:04,751 --> 00:09:08,237 or who your parents are. They just want to know you know how entertaining you are. 121 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:13,138 What are you doing tonight? 122 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:20,318 Call it New York call it whatever you like. The name hardly matters. 123 00:09:21,802 --> 00:09:24,080 Entering from the great reality of elsewhere 124 00:09:24,115 --> 00:09:26,117 one is only in search of a city. 125 00:09:26,151 --> 00:09:29,085 A place to lose or discover one's self. 126 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,262 To make a dream wherein you prove you're not an ugly duckling, 127 00:09:33,296 --> 00:09:35,885 but wonderful and worthy of love. 128 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,233 As you thought sitting on a stoop, 129 00:09:39,268 --> 00:09:40,959 planning your search for a city. 130 00:10:05,018 --> 00:10:05,708 Why? 131 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:01,005 His first book at the age of 23 he was - 132 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:03,801 it was you know a beautiful little coming of age novel 133 00:11:03,835 --> 00:11:06,389 set against a rural background. 134 00:11:07,183 --> 00:11:09,427 A small southern town. 135 00:11:11,153 --> 00:11:15,157 I think somebody - one reviewer called it the Fairy Huck Finn. 136 00:11:18,539 --> 00:11:21,094 Just about as explicit as you could be back then I guess in a book review. 137 00:11:52,573 --> 00:11:56,198 Radclif eyed the boy over the rim of his beer glass. 138 00:11:56,232 --> 00:11:59,166 He had his notions of what a real boy should look like. 139 00:11:59,201 --> 00:12:04,378 And this kid offended them. He was too pretty, too delicate and fair-skinned. 140 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:08,003 Each of his features was shaped with a sensitive accuracy. 141 00:12:10,488 --> 00:12:13,491 A girlish tenderness softened his eyes which were brown and very large. 142 00:12:15,079 --> 00:12:18,910 His hair cut short was streaked with pure yellow strands. 143 00:12:36,617 --> 00:12:38,619 Well he was rather a spectacle wasn't he? 144 00:12:38,654 --> 00:12:41,761 Nothing ever like him on the American scene really. 145 00:12:44,142 --> 00:12:49,147 I mean a very astonishing figure. Did you invite him to your house often? 146 00:12:54,877 --> 00:12:57,155 For many years George's parties 147 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:58,881 were the literary centre of New York City. 148 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:05,439 George had given me my break and he was taking me around and introducing me to everybody. 149 00:13:05,474 --> 00:13:10,790 And of course inevitably I got to Truman who was very friendly shall we say? 150 00:13:12,688 --> 00:13:16,968 There was a little bit of groping involved, but he was easily fended off you know, 151 00:13:17,003 --> 00:13:19,799 he was playing the aging queen. 152 00:13:21,455 --> 00:13:23,354 You know early success is a bit of a curse. 153 00:13:24,562 --> 00:13:28,393 You can get locked into an image, a persona 154 00:13:28,428 --> 00:13:34,537 which is based on the public's first glimpse of you. 155 00:13:34,572 --> 00:13:39,819 In my case it was the coke-snorting. Night clubbing protagonist of my first novel. 156 00:13:41,096 --> 00:13:45,065 In his case this effete, elfin little southern boy. 157 00:13:46,446 --> 00:13:48,344 We lived a block away from one another. 158 00:15:45,358 --> 00:15:47,670 Every gay life in those years took courage. 159 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:52,675 So much self-invention, so much care, so much work. 160 00:15:53,607 --> 00:15:56,334 So much looking in the mirror 161 00:15:56,369 --> 00:16:00,407 thinking who in the name of God is this that I'm looking at? 162 00:16:00,442 --> 00:16:01,788 Or everyone did 163 00:16:01,822 --> 00:16:05,516 and I think that fed him, and nourished him as a writer. 164 00:16:07,414 --> 00:16:10,521 It wasn't as though he was seeing himself in television, or in the movies, 165 00:16:10,555 --> 00:16:13,006 or represented in any other way. 166 00:16:13,041 --> 00:16:15,319 There was no one in the mirror when he looked. 167 00:16:15,353 --> 00:16:18,736 So then he could represent himself in an entirely new way 168 00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:21,532 with full honesty, full disclosure. 169 00:16:21,566 --> 00:16:23,844 Well this is who I am. I am your local gay. 170 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,124 There has to be one, and I am he. 171 00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:39,136 He swished the lavender curtains apart. 172 00:16:40,723 --> 00:16:43,485 Joel's image floated on the looking glass. 173 00:16:44,865 --> 00:16:48,041 His formless reflected face was wide lit 174 00:16:49,215 --> 00:16:53,012 as if it were a heat-softened wax effigy. 175 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:07,845 It was a strong feeling you know with I don't know 176 00:18:07,879 --> 00:18:13,195 the sort of book crowd that Truman wasn't entirely serious perhaps. 177 00:18:20,651 --> 00:18:24,724 There was a sharp divide between high culture and low culture. 178 00:18:24,758 --> 00:18:27,140 And yet Truman kind of straddled that border. 179 00:18:31,834 --> 00:18:34,630 Would you like me to read a scene from Breakfast at Tiffany's? 180 00:18:36,805 --> 00:18:39,808 Most people say him as the author of Breakfast at Tiffany's. 181 00:18:39,842 --> 00:18:43,432 "I've got the most terrifying man downstairs" 182 00:18:43,467 --> 00:18:46,435 she said stepping off the fire escape into the room. 183 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:48,679 "I mean he's sweet, but he isn't drunk, but let him start 184 00:18:48,713 --> 00:18:52,441 lapping up the vino and oh God quel beast! 185 00:18:52,476 --> 00:18:55,893 If there's one thing I loathe it's men who bite." 186 00:18:57,274 --> 00:18:59,897 She loosened a grey flannel robe off her shoulder 187 00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:02,486 to show me evidence of what happens if a man bites. 188 00:19:37,383 --> 00:19:39,212 We all think of Audrey Hepburn now 189 00:19:39,247 --> 00:19:42,250 and of course you read the book and it's completely different. 190 00:19:42,284 --> 00:19:46,702 She's a barely legal teenager from Appalachia or something 191 00:19:48,048 --> 00:19:53,537 and quite openly a prostitute. Makes no bones about it. 192 00:19:55,297 --> 00:20:02,235 And is a strange combination of manipulative and used by the world. 193 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:08,586 The book is a lot grittier. There's much less of a facade of glamour. 194 00:20:09,863 --> 00:20:11,969 Of course it doesn't have the love story. 195 00:20:14,558 --> 00:20:18,941 What do you think? This ought to be the right kind of place for a tough guy like you. 196 00:20:18,976 --> 00:20:20,805 Garbage cans, rats galore. 197 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:23,981 Scram! I said take off! 198 00:20:26,708 --> 00:20:27,536 Oh yeah? 199 00:20:41,101 --> 00:20:45,623 Audrey Hepburn as Holly Golightly searching for love in the big town. 200 00:21:25,732 --> 00:21:29,322 I think there's a lot of Truman's own mother in Holly Golightly. 201 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:32,360 Truman's mother was like Holly from a small southern town. 202 00:21:33,395 --> 00:21:36,087 She was also a bit of a courtesan. 203 00:22:13,573 --> 00:22:17,370 Truman's childhood was in some ways heart-breaking. 204 00:22:17,405 --> 00:22:20,477 His mother abandoned him and left him in rural Alabama, 205 00:22:21,719 --> 00:22:24,757 and he got to stay with these couple of aunts 206 00:22:24,791 --> 00:22:28,933 and he - his cousin was his dear friend who he called Sook. 207 00:22:30,176 --> 00:22:33,110 She probably had some developmental problems. 208 00:22:34,525 --> 00:22:36,976 So she saved him. 209 00:22:38,771 --> 00:22:41,912 Spoons spin around in bowls of butter and sugar. 210 00:22:43,465 --> 00:22:46,641 Melting, nose-tingling odours saturate the kitchen 211 00:22:46,675 --> 00:22:49,920 and drift out into the world on puffs of chimney smoke. 212 00:22:54,614 --> 00:22:56,444 We are cousins, 213 00:22:56,478 --> 00:22:59,032 and have lived together as long as I can remember. 214 00:22:59,826 --> 00:23:01,759 We are shy with everyone. 215 00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:06,419 Other people inhabit the house and frequently make us cry. 216 00:23:07,731 --> 00:23:10,181 We are not too much aware of them. 217 00:23:16,533 --> 00:23:19,121 All of those relationships are distant. 218 00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:20,709 He's brought up in this household 219 00:23:22,124 --> 00:23:24,575 where there's no possibility of either mother or father. 220 00:23:25,749 --> 00:23:28,993 Orphanhood, in other words he was brought up 221 00:23:29,028 --> 00:23:31,099 by the same people who'd brought his mother up. 222 00:23:31,996 --> 00:23:34,516 And so I mean you just imagine 223 00:23:34,551 --> 00:23:40,626 that you know that it's the second generation of people who come from broken marriages. 224 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:44,181 He said to me once how do you think I felt living there? 225 00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:46,666 I'm little but I'm old. 226 00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:49,911 He said here's this little gay, sawed off man. 227 00:23:49,945 --> 00:23:54,156 I guess 'cause he means he was so short. He said it was dreadful. 228 00:23:54,191 --> 00:23:57,159 Come on. 229 00:23:59,334 --> 00:24:02,786 Truman shared a childhood with his aunts, and with his buddy Harper Lee 230 00:24:04,719 --> 00:24:08,757 in the small southern town which was later immortalised not only by Truman, 231 00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:11,450 but also by Harper Lee in To Kill a Mockingbird. 232 00:24:12,796 --> 00:24:14,487 Harper Lee was someone who he loved. 233 00:24:16,282 --> 00:24:20,286 In To Kill a Mockingbird he's that little, annoying boy who lives next door. 234 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,185 Good morning. My you're up mighty bright and early. 235 00:24:24,117 --> 00:24:25,843 Well I've been up since 4:00. 236 00:24:25,878 --> 00:24:26,465 4:00? 237 00:24:27,742 --> 00:24:30,158 Oh yes, I always get up at 4:00. It's in my blood. 238 00:24:31,608 --> 00:24:34,990 You see my daddy was a railroad man till he got rich. 239 00:24:35,025 --> 00:24:37,268 Now he flies airplanes. 240 00:24:37,303 --> 00:24:40,340 One of these days he's just going to swoop down here at Maycomb, 241 00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:41,997 pick me up and take me for a ride. 242 00:24:44,552 --> 00:24:46,243 I mean people kept letters from him. 243 00:24:47,727 --> 00:24:49,798 There are two early letters both of which I love. 244 00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:51,835 One to the novelist Thomas Flannigan 245 00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,354 who is a schoolmate and just a letter saying 246 00:24:54,389 --> 00:24:58,911 all the lies I have been spreading about Thomas Flannigan are untrue. 247 00:24:58,945 --> 00:25:01,292 I promise never to say anything about him to anyone again. 248 00:25:01,327 --> 00:25:04,157 In other words that already aged 10, 11, 12 249 00:25:04,192 --> 00:25:07,540 he was known as someone who made things up and caused trouble. 250 00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:09,749 And he also was known as someone 251 00:25:09,784 --> 00:25:12,234 who could switch identities and wanted to do so. 252 00:25:12,269 --> 00:25:14,616 And the other is to his father. 253 00:25:14,651 --> 00:25:18,344 As you know my name was changed from Persons to Capote, and I would appreciate 254 00:25:18,378 --> 00:25:21,554 that in the future you would address me as Truman Capote. 255 00:25:21,589 --> 00:25:24,005 As everyone knows me by that name. 256 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,145 Truman Capote's Breakfast at Tiffany's. 257 00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:28,975 Truman's mother went to New York. 258 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:31,322 Won't you join me? 259 00:25:31,357 --> 00:25:35,326 She was very pretty and she finally captured a rich man, Joe Capote. 260 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:38,813 I'd marry you for your money in a minute. 261 00:25:39,814 --> 00:25:40,884 Would you marry me for my money? 262 00:25:41,781 --> 00:25:42,817 In a minute. 263 00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:46,924 Truman's mother asked Truman when he was in his teens 264 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:50,894 to come live with Joe Capote and her. And Joe adopted him. 265 00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:55,139 Truman's mother was someone who wanted to 266 00:25:55,174 --> 00:25:57,107 achieve success in the city, and in fact did. 267 00:25:59,109 --> 00:26:03,631 She actually lived on Park Avenue for a while and made a splash as a hostess. 268 00:26:23,443 --> 00:26:25,929 Later in his life in the 50s 269 00:26:25,963 --> 00:26:31,279 Nina had a very sad end where she killed herself. 270 00:26:31,313 --> 00:26:35,801 So - and Truman always said that, that was the thing that he drank over. 271 00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:41,289 He would say to me I watched my mother die in my arms. 272 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:45,914 I don't know if that's true, but I - that's what he said. 273 00:26:45,949 --> 00:26:48,365 I mean Truman used to always say 274 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:50,885 don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. 275 00:26:52,921 --> 00:26:55,406 His mother did not accept him. 276 00:26:56,822 --> 00:26:59,687 Despite his celebrity, despite his brilliance 277 00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:06,210 was never happy about his sexuality. 278 00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:13,252 But to have a parent commit suicide, 279 00:27:13,286 --> 00:27:17,014 especially one with whom you haven't had a good relationship, 280 00:27:19,016 --> 00:27:22,986 that's one of the most traumatic things that can happen to someone at any age. 281 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:24,884 And... 282 00:27:27,128 --> 00:27:29,751 you don't get resolution for that. 283 00:27:31,753 --> 00:27:34,100 He was embittered by his mother. She essentially tossed him out. 284 00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:39,036 I don't know how old he was four, five, six something like that. 285 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,246 And I don't think he ever forgave her for that. 286 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:50,047 And I think it's the reason he had this terrible need to be loved. 287 00:27:50,082 --> 00:27:52,325 And I don't think Truman ever thought he was loved. 288 00:27:53,533 --> 00:27:55,881 I'm serious I don't think he ever found it. 289 00:27:57,572 --> 00:28:01,887 Hello Carole how are you? Nice to see you again. Well here we are. 290 00:30:08,082 --> 00:30:10,429 He loved Babe more than the others. 291 00:30:10,463 --> 00:30:13,846 And I only say that because he talked about her the most. 292 00:30:17,574 --> 00:30:20,577 Isn't it true that an impression of coldness accompanies perfection? 293 00:30:21,992 --> 00:30:24,029 Might it be that what you feel is actually fear? 294 00:30:26,031 --> 00:30:31,277 It is as much fright as appreciation which causes the stabbed-by-an-icicle chill 295 00:30:32,692 --> 00:30:37,456 that for a moment murders us when a swan swims into view. 296 00:30:48,674 --> 00:30:51,090 I come from St. Teresa; 297 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:53,990 more tears are shared over answered prayers than unanswered ones. 298 00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:59,650 And I thoroughly believe that to be a great truth. 299 00:31:25,159 --> 00:31:28,645 Women ruled New York society. 300 00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:32,511 At the very top of high society 301 00:31:32,545 --> 00:31:35,410 were some extraordinary looking women 302 00:31:35,445 --> 00:31:38,310 who had great grace, intelligence, 303 00:31:38,344 --> 00:31:40,001 and most importantly great taste. 304 00:31:42,038 --> 00:31:46,283 The effort was visible, and the money that went into it was visible. 305 00:31:48,044 --> 00:31:51,150 And I think some of that artistry, 306 00:31:52,358 --> 00:31:54,567 the literal putting on of masks and costumes 307 00:31:54,602 --> 00:31:57,225 must have very much appealed 308 00:31:57,260 --> 00:32:00,539 to someone as naturally theatrical as Truman Capote. 309 00:32:02,161 --> 00:32:04,750 These women were brought up in a world of polish and shine. 310 00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:06,717 Although we were probably doing the polishing and shining. 311 00:32:09,203 --> 00:32:14,001 Someone I know in fashion had her handbags polished by her French maid Yvonne. 312 00:32:14,725 --> 00:32:17,590 Yvonne ironed how $5 bills. 313 00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:22,492 So if she needed to catch a taxi after dinner she'd have a crisp $5 bill. 314 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,531 This is the kind of thing that creates the legacy of style. 315 00:32:27,566 --> 00:32:30,431 And it is permanent. It is a style that goes forever. 316 00:32:33,158 --> 00:32:36,402 And it's aspirational. It is totally aspirational. 317 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,240 Truman opened up these gates to this sort of paradise he prepared for himself. 318 00:33:18,824 --> 00:33:22,448 His letters are amazing. If he goes on a boat with five people 319 00:33:22,483 --> 00:33:25,762 he has a vicious thing to say about each of them. Oh her last doctor said no more face lifts. 320 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:31,871 Or the man who had his face lathered by 10 year old boys every morning. 321 00:33:31,906 --> 00:33:36,704 It's just disgusting and you know, everyone's disgusting. Everyone's boring him. 322 00:33:38,775 --> 00:33:42,089 He's in Greece and he says the only words of Greek he's learned 323 00:33:42,123 --> 00:33:45,678 is "go away fat girl. Go away fat boy." 324 00:33:47,818 --> 00:33:51,132 You don't break into that world; you're taken up by that world. 325 00:33:51,788 --> 00:33:54,377 Because the chief problem 326 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:59,658 that rich people face is the endemic boredom 327 00:34:00,555 --> 00:34:03,593 of living in a social ghetto. 328 00:34:03,627 --> 00:34:07,286 Because one class of people all think the same way. 329 00:34:07,321 --> 00:34:10,841 All who have the same desires, all who have roughly the same amount of wealth 330 00:34:11,808 --> 00:34:14,155 and they bore each other silly. 331 00:34:38,938 --> 00:34:41,769 Can you imagine the dinner parties he was invited to, 332 00:34:41,803 --> 00:34:44,082 if he didn't go how boring they would be? 333 00:34:45,393 --> 00:34:51,399 He was expected to perform and perform he did. 334 00:34:51,434 --> 00:34:55,127 Oh God, didn't you ever hear this story? 335 00:34:55,162 --> 00:34:57,716 They had him as the entertainment. 336 00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:01,202 Which must've been exhausting for Truman on some level 337 00:35:01,237 --> 00:35:03,894 to always feel like you had to be on, 338 00:35:03,929 --> 00:35:08,658 but I think he thought it was a small price to pay to get to live that life. 339 00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:12,386 So watch out. 340 00:35:37,583 --> 00:35:43,141 Well in those days homosexuality was not acceptable. 341 00:35:44,349 --> 00:35:47,214 There were very, very few people who were out. 342 00:35:48,836 --> 00:35:53,012 But there were you know people used to call them walkers you know? 343 00:35:53,047 --> 00:35:57,810 That - a lot of women would have gay men take them to parties and that sort of thing. 344 00:36:00,019 --> 00:36:04,921 And everybody sort of knew who was and who wasn't, but no one ever discussed it. 345 00:36:07,648 --> 00:36:12,825 I'm sure their husbands did. The word pansy was flying around Park Avenue. 346 00:36:14,033 --> 00:36:16,829 Straight people or as we call them breeders 347 00:36:18,383 --> 00:36:22,041 looked at Truman like they looked as effeminate gay men. 348 00:36:22,076 --> 00:36:24,768 Objects of contempt and ridicule. 349 00:36:26,598 --> 00:36:29,877 Gloria loved him. She stayed with him a lot. 350 00:36:29,911 --> 00:36:33,881 I used to say it's bedtime, off you go because he'd talk all night. 351 00:36:33,915 --> 00:36:36,918 Yes pa, off he'd go. 352 00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:42,545 Truman had thought of himself as a master. 353 00:36:44,857 --> 00:36:50,794 And then it becomes clear to him that they think of him as a servant. 354 00:36:51,864 --> 00:36:54,315 And that was a blow. 355 00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:32,457 He didn't get a story. He was out of his own world. 356 00:37:32,491 --> 00:37:35,045 He would lose himself in his own world. 357 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:38,773 And that story seemed to him Kansas. 358 00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:46,298 It was so far away from what he was doing that it sort of woke him up. 359 00:37:54,686 --> 00:37:58,137 In Cold Blood is the story of these six people 360 00:37:58,172 --> 00:38:02,625 who died together November 15th, 1959 361 00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,420 and my book is the story of their lives and their deaths. 362 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,081 He steps entirely outside his world, his comfort zone, and even his genre. 363 00:38:12,117 --> 00:38:12,807 He called it a non-fiction novel. 364 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,054 But until that moment novels had been precisely fiction. 365 00:38:20,056 --> 00:38:23,956 Once you blend fiction and non-fiction things get a little slippery you know? 366 00:38:24,578 --> 00:38:26,442 It is dangerous. 367 00:38:28,547 --> 00:38:34,035 This is the new adventure of mine; this experiment is what I call the non-fiction novel. 368 00:38:38,488 --> 00:38:43,355 He did a thing that journalists do which is to engrace yourself with people 369 00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:45,564 whom you don't know, who you hope never to see again 370 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,739 but you want to be their best friend 371 00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:52,053 just now because you needa quote, a story. 372 00:38:52,088 --> 00:38:56,195 The difference with Truman Capote was that he did it over a six year period 373 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:59,371 and that he did it to most of Kansas. 374 00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:50,249 There's so much speculation about the degree 375 00:39:50,284 --> 00:39:54,737 to which Capote manipulated his subjects especially in In Cold Blood. 376 00:39:57,291 --> 00:40:00,467 That he became very close to Perry Smith 377 00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:06,507 to exhort personal confessions from him to enliven the narrative. 378 00:40:07,991 --> 00:40:10,753 This is a picture of Perry and these were taken 379 00:40:10,787 --> 00:40:12,099 the very day he was captured and went to prison. 380 00:40:14,066 --> 00:40:18,726 See there they were taken during the course of my very first interview with him. 381 00:40:18,761 --> 00:40:21,419 Harper Lee who was there says 382 00:40:22,661 --> 00:40:24,698 the minute he appeared and Truman Capote saw him 383 00:40:26,631 --> 00:40:33,534 he had something that matched, something that worked. It was a sexual thing. 384 00:40:36,054 --> 00:40:38,090 Of course it upped the whole business of his book 385 00:40:38,125 --> 00:40:41,197 because he was writing a book about a sort of figure 386 00:40:42,025 --> 00:40:44,683 that he had come to want. 387 00:40:46,685 --> 00:40:50,655 Which do you think? That's the picture of Perry I think is the best. 388 00:40:50,689 --> 00:40:53,934 It's possible to say that he went into the story 389 00:40:53,968 --> 00:40:55,832 with his own Cold Blood. 390 00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:59,111 He was using his charm to get close to all these people. 391 00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:01,493 But he was also emotionally involved. 392 00:41:03,322 --> 00:41:07,085 Be very, very careful how you read this story. He was needy too. 393 00:41:09,052 --> 00:41:11,710 Perry was a strange and difficult boy, 394 00:41:11,745 --> 00:41:15,127 but we became very um, very, 395 00:41:16,543 --> 00:41:19,097 very close too and very intimate sort of 396 00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:22,825 an intense sort of friendship. 397 00:41:22,859 --> 00:41:27,692 Don't know if friendship's exactly the word, but some kind of very intense relationship 398 00:41:27,726 --> 00:41:33,870 having to do with his total loneliness. 399 00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:38,530 And of course because of my work. 400 00:41:42,016 --> 00:41:46,538 His own face enthralled him. Each angle of it induced a different impression. 401 00:41:47,884 --> 00:41:51,267 It was a changing face and mirror guided experiments 402 00:41:51,301 --> 00:41:53,649 had taught him how to bring the changes, 403 00:41:53,683 --> 00:41:57,238 how to look now ominous, now impish, now soulful. 404 00:41:57,273 --> 00:41:59,551 A tilt of the head, a twist of the lips 405 00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:02,209 and the corrupt gypsy became the gentle romantic. 406 00:42:06,247 --> 00:42:09,009 I really think you've written a masterpiece here. 407 00:42:09,043 --> 00:42:13,013 Well, thank you. You'll get a much better dedication 408 00:42:13,047 --> 00:42:16,016 because of that sweet thing. 409 00:42:17,362 --> 00:42:19,675 A book about this crime by Truman Capote 410 00:42:19,709 --> 00:42:21,193 became a worldwide bestseller. 411 00:42:22,643 --> 00:42:25,646 Now a motion picture brings this book to the screen. 412 00:42:32,446 --> 00:42:35,207 He wrote too many letters to too many people 413 00:42:35,242 --> 00:42:37,382 in the months beforehand saying 414 00:42:37,416 --> 00:42:39,833 he needed a goddamn execution to end this book. 415 00:42:41,041 --> 00:42:44,009 Saying the stays of execution have to stop. 416 00:42:45,045 --> 00:42:47,772 Meaning these people have to die. 417 00:43:07,446 --> 00:43:09,932 This was one side of him you know 418 00:43:09,966 --> 00:43:11,934 he really just needed his book and he didn't care about anything else. 419 00:43:13,487 --> 00:43:17,595 But I think we have to allow for something else to be there too. 420 00:43:19,458 --> 00:43:25,154 It's absolutely clear to me that it wasn't as simple as Cold Blood on his part. 421 00:43:27,087 --> 00:43:30,918 That there was fright of where he had got himself. 422 00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:38,719 Perry was going to die in this horrible way, 423 00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:41,929 in this public way. 424 00:43:44,725 --> 00:43:50,317 You can say to this day that nobody has done a real live murder story as well, 425 00:43:50,351 --> 00:43:55,425 with such an amount of immediacy and clarity, and attention to detail, 426 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:57,255 and sort of coldness. 427 00:44:00,051 --> 00:44:02,329 This may have been the real Truman Capote. 428 00:44:05,297 --> 00:44:11,234 The rest of the time is just fun, lunch, dinner. Self-invention. 429 00:44:12,995 --> 00:44:15,653 Only person who knows me will be the reader of this book. 430 00:44:53,242 --> 00:44:58,005 In Cold Blood propels him into a world of achievements, 431 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,386 and a world of wealth. 432 00:45:03,908 --> 00:45:07,118 So Truman Capote gave arguable 433 00:45:07,152 --> 00:45:11,812 the only important ball in the 20th Century. 434 00:45:12,917 --> 00:45:14,366 And it is still legendary. 435 00:45:16,092 --> 00:45:19,475 They all met here at the great ball room that we're - the Plaza. 436 00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:28,104 So this was a moment in time. It was a bigger than life event. 437 00:45:30,244 --> 00:45:33,765 As a young black man sitting in North Carolina about to graduate from high school 438 00:45:35,974 --> 00:45:41,117 I immediately ripped the pages of Vogue Magazine out and put the whole thing up on my wall. 439 00:45:47,952 --> 00:45:50,748 My entire room was wallpapered in Vogue pages. 440 00:45:53,129 --> 00:45:57,099 The New York Times did the most unprecedented thing. They published the entire list. 441 00:45:57,133 --> 00:46:00,447 So if you said oh, I was invited to the ball but I decided to go on a vacation 442 00:46:00,481 --> 00:46:04,037 you'd be caught out. You'd be busted and that's what I loved the most. 443 00:46:19,362 --> 00:46:22,538 All the ladies are wearing masks on Truman Capote's order's 444 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,886 and the inky wretches of the press on his orders also 445 00:46:25,921 --> 00:46:28,993 are being kept at a discrete distance from the guests outside this door. 446 00:46:32,651 --> 00:46:35,620 The people arriving here have come from Rome, from Hollywood, 447 00:46:35,654 --> 00:46:39,210 Venice, Paris, Washington, San Francisco, London 448 00:46:39,244 --> 00:46:41,074 just to go to a party. 449 00:46:41,108 --> 00:46:44,146 540 or so have dressed, 450 00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:47,356 and coiffed, and masked themselves, and presented themselves at the Plaza 451 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:53,189 for the honour of serving themselves at Truman Capote's bar and saying they were here. 452 00:46:57,573 --> 00:47:02,026 Maybe that had always been the pathos of his childhood dreams. 453 00:47:03,993 --> 00:47:08,515 Being somewhere grand, having all the most beautiful, important people in the world 454 00:47:09,447 --> 00:47:12,691 in costumes and Venetian masks. 455 00:47:13,623 --> 00:47:16,903 As people made their appearances 456 00:47:16,937 --> 00:47:22,253 Truman like a 12 year old clapped his hands, 457 00:47:22,287 --> 00:47:27,292 jumped up and down saying oh you're my favourite. 458 00:47:27,327 --> 00:47:31,365 Oh, you're the most beautiful. Oh you are the best. 459 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,953 Oh yours is the most successful 460 00:47:34,161 --> 00:47:38,441 to every person that walked into that ball. 461 00:48:18,516 --> 00:48:22,485 My first impressions were coming into the Plaza Hotel. 462 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,146 The New York gossip press was behind barricades. 463 00:48:28,181 --> 00:48:32,944 It's the beginning of the celebrity culture in America. 464 00:48:34,394 --> 00:48:39,571 My most memorable moment was dancing with Luciana Pignatelli, 465 00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:46,302 the Princess. She was wearing in the middle of her forehead 466 00:48:46,337 --> 00:48:50,444 a large jewel rented for an unconscionable amount of money. 467 00:48:53,758 --> 00:49:00,799 Waltzing her around the dancefloor I could see these two heavyset gentlemen 468 00:49:00,834 --> 00:49:03,733 moving in time with the music. 469 00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:10,326 They were sent by the jeweller, heavily armed Pinkerton men 470 00:49:10,361 --> 00:49:13,985 to keep their eye at all times on the jewel. 471 00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:17,955 Not on Luciana, on the jewel. 472 00:49:22,718 --> 00:49:24,754 There are many enchanted kingdoms. 473 00:49:26,066 --> 00:49:31,106 Mark Twain wrote "a society that is the sum 474 00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:35,558 of its vanity and greed is not a society at all. 475 00:49:35,593 --> 00:49:37,629 It is a state of war." 476 00:49:39,838 --> 00:49:43,566 And that is the society of Truman Capote 477 00:49:43,601 --> 00:49:48,986 is putting on stage in the enchanted kingdom at the Plaza Hotel. 478 00:49:50,608 --> 00:49:55,993 And the state of war that exists outside of the magic kingdom 479 00:49:56,890 --> 00:50:00,100 is for the moment a temporary truce. 480 00:50:12,526 --> 00:50:13,631 That's right. 481 00:50:39,105 --> 00:50:42,142 For the first hours of it before the unmasking 482 00:50:42,177 --> 00:50:44,696 anybody can dance with anybody they want to, 483 00:50:44,731 --> 00:50:48,838 or talk to anybody they want to. It's a completely free thing. 484 00:50:48,873 --> 00:50:52,187 And by the time the unmasking come you've made a lot of new friends. 485 00:50:52,221 --> 00:50:54,637 And that was the point. 486 00:50:54,672 --> 00:50:57,433 It worked wonderfully. It's the same kind of feeling 487 00:50:57,468 --> 00:51:00,298 you get if you're asked to go on a talk show 488 00:51:00,333 --> 00:51:03,715 and there you are in the green room with the famous actress, 489 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,890 and the dog trainer. 490 00:51:05,924 --> 00:51:09,480 And we are a band of brothers. Temporary, temporary. 491 00:51:10,722 --> 00:51:12,276 Of course when we got away from the green room 492 00:51:13,656 --> 00:51:15,762 then we're very happy to knife each other in the back. 493 00:51:34,953 --> 00:51:38,233 I didn't get invited to his famous masked ball. 494 00:51:39,993 --> 00:51:42,789 I first met him on my show. 495 00:51:44,411 --> 00:51:46,862 He has managed to become a darling of the Beautiful People, 496 00:51:46,896 --> 00:51:50,176 so he conducts that life and also manages to get his work done. 497 00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:52,695 Would you welcome please Truman Capote right here? 498 00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:56,975 He would kind of swing out onto the stage 499 00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:58,770 and go like that 500 00:51:58,805 --> 00:52:01,704 and I thought well this is going to be interesting. 501 00:52:12,025 --> 00:52:14,407 You want to try the hat? 502 00:52:14,441 --> 00:52:16,581 No I can't - I don't need a hat with three balls. 503 00:52:16,616 --> 00:52:20,206 I'm just an average person. 504 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,692 I remember watching Truman on stage at Madison Square Garden 505 00:52:25,038 --> 00:52:28,145 with Mick Jagger centre stage 506 00:52:28,904 --> 00:52:30,768 doing his version of grooving. 507 00:52:36,877 --> 00:52:38,741 I remember thinking is this what a writer should be doing? 508 00:52:40,605 --> 00:52:45,817 A whole evening standing on stage while Mick is enthralling the audience. 509 00:52:53,963 --> 00:52:58,554 The people would say it's Truman Capote, it's Truman Capote. Capote, you could hear it. 510 00:53:17,539 --> 00:53:19,955 A typical one of my notebooks. 511 00:53:37,006 --> 00:53:38,525 He had a really hard time. 512 00:53:39,837 --> 00:53:44,082 He would get up rather early and go into his room. 513 00:53:44,117 --> 00:53:47,016 And he would write for about three hours. 514 00:53:48,777 --> 00:53:53,368 But the day to day life with him was incredibly calm and pleasant. 515 00:53:53,402 --> 00:53:56,716 He was delightful. He was very nurturing. 516 00:53:57,751 --> 00:53:59,926 We didn't have too many groceries. 517 00:54:00,685 --> 00:54:02,756 We ate out all the time. 518 00:54:03,964 --> 00:54:08,728 He had canned soup, raw shrimp, and tab soda. 519 00:54:08,762 --> 00:54:10,833 And a lot of vodka in the freezer. 520 00:54:17,357 --> 00:54:21,050 Near the end of the 60s things began to lighten up for gay people. 521 00:54:21,085 --> 00:54:22,914 A lot of it had to do with protests over the war. 522 00:54:24,122 --> 00:54:26,780 The police had other things to worry about. 523 00:54:26,815 --> 00:54:30,301 You could go to a gay bathhouse and not be afraid the police were going to come in. 524 00:54:31,406 --> 00:54:32,890 Truman and I used to go bar cruising. 525 00:54:34,926 --> 00:54:39,931 Bars became very specific in the appetites they were seeking to welcome. 526 00:54:44,142 --> 00:54:47,698 Prison theme or registry of lollipop with the other sailors. 527 00:54:49,976 --> 00:54:52,392 And this was true of bath houses. They became like little theatres 528 00:54:52,427 --> 00:54:53,876 only they were sexual theatres. 529 00:54:59,779 --> 00:55:05,819 I thought it was fun and then you combined that with this incredible flood of drugs. 530 00:55:09,858 --> 00:55:13,310 I mean eye popping it was unbelievable you couldn't - it was hard to accept. 531 00:55:15,381 --> 00:55:17,590 And Truman found it fascinating. 532 00:55:17,624 --> 00:55:22,457 I found it fascinating because Truman and I shared one thing that we were both voyeurs. 533 00:55:23,078 --> 00:55:25,011 All writers are voyeurs. 534 00:55:28,048 --> 00:55:30,810 Truman didn't want to go to respectable nightclubs. 535 00:55:30,844 --> 00:55:34,434 He wanted to go to all kinds of bad places. 536 00:55:36,643 --> 00:55:40,440 I mean one which Truman absolutely loved was a lesbian bar 537 00:55:40,475 --> 00:55:42,511 where the lesbians were all in leather. 538 00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:45,687 They all had motorcycles. And the girls were very lively, and they liked Truman. 539 00:55:47,689 --> 00:55:52,970 He got some kind of response from them, and everybody was roaring with laughter, 540 00:55:53,004 --> 00:55:59,010 and he knew just how to sort of get them to as it were perform for him. 541 00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:02,497 And they went along with it. 542 00:56:04,222 --> 00:56:07,605 I think his writing was affected slowly, slowly 543 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,059 because he began to care more about meeting all kinds of people than writing. 544 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,028 And that's why Jack Dunphy his long-time lover 545 00:56:17,063 --> 00:56:18,823 shifted away from Truman. 546 00:56:36,634 --> 00:56:40,086 Truman was drawn to all manner of people. 547 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,571 I mean just the fact that he fell in love with my father 548 00:56:42,606 --> 00:56:46,230 you know who's like this guy from the Bronx, this Irish guy from the Bronx 549 00:56:46,264 --> 00:56:48,646 even though he lived in Long Island. 550 00:56:49,233 --> 00:56:51,546 O'Shay was a banker. 551 00:56:52,892 --> 00:56:56,240 He was vice president of some bank out in Long Island. 552 00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:59,554 And Truman said he met him when he went to open an account. 553 00:57:00,865 --> 00:57:03,765 He was asked that you need a place to deposit money, 554 00:57:05,491 --> 00:57:09,633 and Truman said well I don't know about money but I take deposits. 555 00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:16,916 And Truman said at that point he - he went down on Jack O'Shay 556 00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:20,506 and and as they say 557 00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:23,785 he was over the rainbow. So... 558 00:57:26,926 --> 00:57:30,447 Point of fact he'd met him at the East Side Sauna, it's a bath house. 559 00:57:32,276 --> 00:57:36,798 I was so happy for my father with regard to his meeting Truman. 560 00:57:36,832 --> 00:57:39,801 Because he seemed happy for the first time in his life. 561 00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:43,977 And I was so, so crushed when the same problems he had - 562 00:57:44,012 --> 00:57:46,773 his violence, and his alcoholism, and his cruelty 563 00:57:46,808 --> 00:57:48,982 he was - he had a cruel side my father - 564 00:57:50,777 --> 00:57:55,057 began to manifest in Truman's life. I was crushed because I had - 565 00:57:55,092 --> 00:58:01,926 my fanciful idea that it was only because he was gay and he was unhappy um, in our home 566 00:58:01,961 --> 00:58:02,996 wasn't the truth. 567 00:58:07,242 --> 00:58:10,487 They were driving along highways at night-time and they got into a fight. 568 00:58:12,247 --> 00:58:15,940 He slugged Truman and then opened the door and shoved him out of the car. 569 00:58:18,011 --> 00:58:23,845 Truman didn't know where he was and he said I saw this little light in the distance 570 00:58:23,879 --> 00:58:28,712 and I walked, and I walked and I went off into this, and I knocked on the door. 571 00:58:28,746 --> 00:58:30,783 And I said please help me, help me. 572 00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:37,928 And this man opened the door and he looked at me and he said oh my God you're Truman Capote! 573 00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:42,588 He slammed the door in my face. 574 00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:18,175 Hey, don't you think that's a good likeness? In his younger days, his younger days. 575 00:59:18,209 --> 00:59:21,592 Well it's taken from a gentleman old Avedon photograph. 576 00:59:23,456 --> 00:59:25,976 How long ago Truman? 577 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:29,704 That photograph? It was seven, eight years ago. 578 00:59:29,738 --> 00:59:32,189 He's more handsome now than then. 579 00:59:34,398 --> 00:59:39,161 I can see something extremely clearly in another person. 580 00:59:39,196 --> 00:59:43,580 All their motivations, and what's making the whole thing turn around. 581 00:59:44,442 --> 00:59:46,652 And do it with great objectivity. 582 00:59:47,273 --> 00:59:51,035 And I hope compassion. 583 00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:52,899 Sometimes not so compassionate. 584 00:59:54,694 --> 00:59:58,664 But if I were to reverse the whole thing around on myself I can't do it. 585 01:00:00,458 --> 01:00:03,427 He just embarrassed his role as the celebrity and he became 586 01:00:03,461 --> 01:00:07,707 more of a talk show guest than he did a working writer. 587 01:00:10,192 --> 01:00:11,918 Well there was a moment on my show 588 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:17,993 I asked him in effect why do you hang out with all these fancy folks? 589 01:00:21,997 --> 01:00:30,074 And he actually said way back in the events of his life I'm writing about them. 590 01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:33,181 I was going that these people are my material. 591 01:00:33,215 --> 01:00:35,217 Ah you're there... 592 01:00:35,252 --> 01:00:37,772 And when I now make my forays occasionally it's just to check up. 593 01:00:39,325 --> 01:00:42,984 Is admitting this now on television likely to reduce the number 594 01:00:43,018 --> 01:00:45,503 of invitations you'll get because people will be a little afraid? 595 01:00:45,538 --> 01:00:48,092 Oh everybody knows what the book is about. 596 01:00:48,127 --> 01:00:51,475 No one's going to be the least bit annoyed with me unless they've been left out. 597 01:00:51,509 --> 01:00:53,063 That's probably it. 598 01:00:53,097 --> 01:00:56,929 He must have known that there was danger in all of that. 599 01:01:00,864 --> 01:01:07,422 He talked about his great book you know which of course I'd been hearing about for years. 600 01:01:07,456 --> 01:01:12,151 We had - we all had you know? The book was called Answered Prayers, a great society novel. 601 01:01:14,256 --> 01:01:19,261 And he'd been allegedly working on it since before the publication of In Cold Blood. 602 01:01:21,367 --> 01:01:24,715 Answered Prayers was supposed to be Truman's masterpiece. 603 01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:30,479 He compared himself to Proust, to Remembrance of Things Past 604 01:01:30,514 --> 01:01:34,794 the great masterwork of modernist literature. 605 01:01:36,831 --> 01:01:42,181 Proust wrote about Parisian high society and the aristocracy of France in his time. 606 01:01:42,215 --> 01:01:45,909 And this was the terrain that Truman was exploring. 607 01:01:48,014 --> 01:01:51,500 He was on the yachts, he was on the private planes, he was on the private islands. 608 01:01:52,881 --> 01:01:55,746 He was privy to the secrets, and the gossip. 609 01:01:57,610 --> 01:02:02,235 I think there was a lot of hope that Truman would pull off something Proustian. 610 01:02:49,627 --> 01:02:50,490 Shallow? 611 01:03:00,362 --> 01:03:02,606 It was a society he knew. 612 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,367 He was in the inner sanctum of the Agnellis. 613 01:03:05,402 --> 01:03:06,506 He was on the boats. 614 01:03:08,232 --> 01:03:12,133 He was with Babe Paley. He thought he could just change the names 615 01:03:12,167 --> 01:03:14,860 and people won't recognize her. 616 01:03:14,894 --> 01:03:16,344 Bad judgment. 617 01:03:20,866 --> 01:03:27,942 Babe Paley had only one fault. She was perfect. Other than that she was perfect. 618 01:03:41,438 --> 01:03:42,163 Why? 619 01:04:10,743 --> 01:04:11,502 Oh my, nan. 620 01:04:11,537 --> 01:04:13,504 Oh my dear. 621 01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:15,161 When I first met her there wasn't any warmth at all. 622 01:04:15,196 --> 01:04:17,646 Your feeling was who the hell does she think she is? 623 01:04:19,165 --> 01:04:23,204 But with Truman she was very different. She relaxed. 624 01:04:24,722 --> 01:04:28,243 She laughed. They had fun together. It was fun. They were - 625 01:04:30,521 --> 01:04:34,146 you're sitting having lunch with them and somebody says something and they just look at each other. 626 01:04:34,180 --> 01:04:37,011 They don't say anything. They just look at each other and then they start laughing. 627 01:04:37,045 --> 01:04:39,289 Like kids sitting in the children's table 628 01:04:39,323 --> 01:04:42,568 giggling about what's going on at the adult table. 629 01:04:44,018 --> 01:04:46,675 And I thought it was very sweet. 630 01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:53,890 I don't know anyone Truman was with who had that kind of unlimited acceptance with. 631 01:04:56,030 --> 01:05:00,689 And I think that's why he was happy with her. Because she loved him, and he loved her. 632 01:05:31,168 --> 01:05:36,691 What Truman thought he was doing and I think felt justified in doing 633 01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:41,178 was taking the lid off a bowl of shit. 634 01:05:42,524 --> 01:05:44,526 Don't you have a book about to appear? 635 01:05:44,561 --> 01:05:47,184 Now for a couple of years we've been waiting for Answered Prayers 636 01:05:47,219 --> 01:05:50,049 and have you turned it over to the publisher yet? 637 01:05:50,084 --> 01:05:54,433 No. I refer to it now as my posthumous novel. 638 01:05:54,467 --> 01:05:58,471 Because either I'm going to kill it, or it's going to kill me. 639 01:06:13,107 --> 01:06:17,525 No matter what happens I'm going to publish a big part of it this coming fall. 640 01:06:19,078 --> 01:06:20,735 Okay, we'll take a short break and we'll be right back... 641 01:06:31,297 --> 01:06:36,371 He finally wrote something that cost him mortally. 642 01:06:39,305 --> 01:06:42,826 This book exposed unspeakably 643 01:06:42,860 --> 01:06:47,175 private things about very, very famous people. 644 01:07:11,648 --> 01:07:13,029 That's right, that's right. 645 01:07:26,904 --> 01:07:32,082 It was these thinly veiled identities of people he knew. Stories about their lives. 646 01:07:33,428 --> 01:07:36,500 And outrageous things that people told him in secret, 647 01:07:38,192 --> 01:07:41,367 and it was about these cafe society people that he had known, 648 01:07:41,402 --> 01:07:44,232 these jet set people and he basically told all their secrets. 649 01:07:45,889 --> 01:07:49,755 I didn't know that anyone was upset by this magazine. 650 01:07:51,791 --> 01:07:54,898 Two days later I go to this party at Josh Logan's. 651 01:07:54,932 --> 01:07:59,109 Josh Logan's this big director - movie and theatre director in New York. 652 01:08:00,179 --> 01:08:01,353 And his wife's name is Netta Logan. 653 01:08:02,664 --> 01:08:05,357 And who was this sort of a barrel of an Irish cow. 654 01:08:05,391 --> 01:08:10,879 And I - and I go in and barrelling at me across the room 655 01:08:11,915 --> 01:08:14,159 yelling how dare he? How dare he? 656 01:08:14,193 --> 01:08:16,092 Is Netta yelling and literally she's going like this how dare he? How dare he? 657 01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:22,512 And I said what are you - ah, you know what I'm talking about! And she was going on about Truman. 658 01:08:22,546 --> 01:08:26,481 How could he do that? How could he do that? How could he do that to Ann? How could he do that to Ann? 659 01:08:27,517 --> 01:08:29,829 And that's how I found out about it. 660 01:08:32,867 --> 01:08:38,390 Ann Woodward is a blond showgirl and she married old, old New York money. 661 01:08:38,424 --> 01:08:39,874 One day her husband was shot to death. 662 01:08:41,013 --> 01:08:44,672 In Truman's account of it Anne set him up. 663 01:08:44,706 --> 01:08:48,434 She grabbed the shotgun and shot what she thought was a prowler. 664 01:08:48,469 --> 01:08:51,955 Only it was her husband with a hole through his head. 665 01:08:51,989 --> 01:08:53,991 You don't think it was an accident? 666 01:08:54,026 --> 01:08:56,649 Come out of the trenches boy, the war's over. 667 01:08:56,684 --> 01:08:58,410 Of course it wasn't an accident. 668 01:08:59,307 --> 01:09:01,482 She killed David with malice. 669 01:09:01,516 --> 01:09:04,830 She's a murderess. The police know that. 670 01:09:18,878 --> 01:09:19,845 So they say. 671 01:09:44,525 --> 01:09:47,390 As a writer I should probably be proud because it shows that 672 01:09:47,424 --> 01:09:49,530 what you write actually can have an effect. 673 01:09:59,436 --> 01:10:03,992 She had a terrible marriage. Bill Paley, Mr. CBS 674 01:10:05,684 --> 01:10:10,792 he was famously a womanizer. 675 01:10:12,484 --> 01:10:13,933 They undressed in the dark. 676 01:10:15,003 --> 01:10:17,040 None of his tricks caught her fancy. 677 01:10:17,074 --> 01:10:21,527 She lay there like a missionary outraged by sweating Swahilis. 678 01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:24,737 Dill couldn't come. 679 01:10:24,772 --> 01:10:27,292 He felt as though he were sloshing around in some strange puddle. 680 01:10:28,672 --> 01:10:31,675 He felt sticky and strange as though covered in blood. 681 01:10:32,504 --> 01:10:34,644 As he was. So was the bed. 682 01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:39,545 The sheets bloodied with stains the size of Brazil. 683 01:10:47,346 --> 01:10:49,762 As a woman reading it you're like is that even physically possible? 684 01:10:51,074 --> 01:10:53,766 Menstruation is as normal as breathing, or sleeping. 685 01:10:55,354 --> 01:10:57,080 What was wrong with her? Was she haemorrhaging? 686 01:10:57,114 --> 01:10:58,046 Clearly this is somewhat exaggerated. 687 01:10:59,703 --> 01:11:04,052 Also was that considered a thing that you would insult someone 688 01:11:04,087 --> 01:11:08,022 by having sex with them when you're? 689 01:11:30,493 --> 01:11:34,082 He puts in so much detail about how incredibly unattractive the woman is. 690 01:11:36,464 --> 01:11:41,849 Even by the ungenerous standards of this story the description of her is particularly cruel. 691 01:11:43,678 --> 01:11:46,957 It's like he's trying to hurt, and shock in every single way he can. 692 01:11:48,442 --> 01:11:51,617 One response was how disgusting. 693 01:11:51,652 --> 01:11:55,552 And the other was how could your friend do this to you? 694 01:13:23,468 --> 01:13:27,161 A short, sinister man who looks exactly like Truman Capote 695 01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:29,197 is preparing a fiendishly ingenious crime. 696 01:13:30,854 --> 01:13:34,548 The victim is here at this very table, at this very moment. 697 01:13:34,582 --> 01:13:39,173 And so too ladies and gentlemen is the murderer. 698 01:14:14,829 --> 01:14:16,072 Is he dead? 699 01:14:20,697 --> 01:14:22,699 We touch nothing. We're all experienced criminologists. 700 01:14:36,023 --> 01:14:39,233 The backlash from the individuals was wicked. 701 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:45,308 About a year ago you published a thing in Esquire. It's a work of fiction. 702 01:14:45,342 --> 01:14:46,758 No it's not. 703 01:14:46,792 --> 01:14:49,795 Well it's not is it? 704 01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:53,558 Who - what friends did you lose if I may be so bold? 705 01:14:53,592 --> 01:14:59,011 No, no three friends that I really liked. And it was - 706 01:14:59,046 --> 01:15:02,601 they were very, very good, very close friends of mine and... 707 01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:08,193 It kind of ruined him. It almost was sort of suicide. 708 01:15:25,210 --> 01:15:28,075 Nobody would have known if they hadn't stood up and said I'm so angry. 709 01:15:28,109 --> 01:15:30,180 How dare he say that about me! 710 01:15:31,216 --> 01:15:33,080 It's fiction for God's sake! 711 01:15:35,185 --> 01:15:39,811 Good lord I mean what is wrong with these people? Talk about a lack of sophistication. 712 01:15:41,191 --> 01:15:44,885 If it had been written about me I'd say wonderful story, 713 01:15:44,919 --> 01:15:47,335 who is he possibly writing about? 714 01:15:49,165 --> 01:15:52,755 Answered Prayers is an early template for reality TV. 715 01:15:54,653 --> 01:15:59,002 Like the pettiness, the interpersonal stuff. Knowing this cast of characters. 716 01:15:59,037 --> 01:16:04,214 Not really thinking it has larger meaning except in a pop cultural way. 717 01:16:06,423 --> 01:16:10,151 I do think it's a precursor to a lot of what we now are living with. 718 01:16:33,450 --> 01:16:35,038 I remember his saying once what are they upset about? 719 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,907 I was a writer. Did they think I was with them because they were so interesting? 720 01:16:48,086 --> 01:16:50,847 Babe said for Christ's sake don't talk to me about Truman. 721 01:16:52,677 --> 01:16:56,163 And then eventually she'd say well all right let's talk about Truman. 722 01:16:56,197 --> 01:16:57,785 Well what's happening now? 723 01:16:59,511 --> 01:17:02,618 She's the only one he cried over their friendship ending. 724 01:17:06,691 --> 01:17:12,179 That's why I think he loved Babe the most. Because he spoke about her forever, until he died. 725 01:17:14,388 --> 01:17:19,669 I think he really, really never got over the fact that she disappeared from his life. 726 01:17:21,844 --> 01:17:27,435 The main body of people who he had lunches with, and who he called first thing vanished. 727 01:17:28,471 --> 01:17:31,129 Only CZ Guest stuck by him. 728 01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:45,764 I would go to this place called Studio 54. 729 01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:28,980 Once Truman said there's a new place and we have to go. 730 01:18:30,602 --> 01:18:33,778 It's a night club and it's fabulous, and you're going to love it. 731 01:18:35,331 --> 01:18:38,921 Truman was one of the great favourites there oh my gosh. 732 01:18:38,955 --> 01:18:41,924 There was a huge crowd outside. 733 01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:47,032 And little Truman would get out of his limousine 734 01:18:47,067 --> 01:18:51,381 and the guys would see him and make a big path for him 735 01:18:51,416 --> 01:18:53,936 and be like come on Truman. Come on in. 736 01:18:57,871 --> 01:19:00,425 And in you'd walk to this inner sanctum. 737 01:19:20,238 --> 01:19:24,863 It was dazzling. It was almost the Black and White Ball. 738 01:19:24,898 --> 01:19:26,347 Except it was public. 739 01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:30,317 It was very upbeat and positive. You felt good at 54. 740 01:19:31,870 --> 01:19:34,079 I just sat and kind of watched it all. 741 01:19:36,012 --> 01:19:37,807 Like it was in a movie. 742 01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:42,639 I would stay until he'd make me go home. 743 01:19:42,674 --> 01:19:46,989 So I never saw the real crazy, excessive whatever may have happened after midnight. 744 01:19:48,542 --> 01:19:50,475 It was the last days of Sodom and Gomorrah. 745 01:19:52,546 --> 01:19:56,446 People having sex, drugged out of their minds and you'd just have to step over them. 746 01:19:56,481 --> 01:19:58,517 They didn't even know who they were having sex with. 747 01:20:00,105 --> 01:20:04,178 You had to just gaze at the moment of ebullient life. 748 01:20:08,458 --> 01:20:11,116 On these evening patrols Joel had witnessed many spectacles. 749 01:20:13,291 --> 01:20:18,434 A girl waltzing stark naked, an old lady dropped dead while puffing out candles on a cake. 750 01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:28,306 And most puzzling of all two grown men in an ugly little room kissing each other. 751 01:20:47,325 --> 01:20:49,672 One of the things that made Studio 54 attractive 752 01:20:49,706 --> 01:20:51,605 is you could get cocaine there. 753 01:20:51,639 --> 01:20:53,331 And I mean you didn't pay for it. 754 01:20:57,404 --> 01:21:02,133 It's totally integrated both sexually and ethnically you know? 755 01:21:04,238 --> 01:21:09,519 Boys and boys, girls and girls, girls and boys, mules and fire hydrants. Anything goes. 756 01:21:12,453 --> 01:21:15,905 Even though he had so much fun during that he was also beginning 757 01:21:15,940 --> 01:21:19,012 a terrible, terrible addiction to prescription pain medicine. 758 01:21:20,116 --> 01:21:24,017 So that photo of Gloria Swanson and I 759 01:21:25,018 --> 01:21:27,537 where Truman's basically passed out 760 01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:31,679 is indicative of some of the sad things that were going on. 761 01:21:33,026 --> 01:21:35,235 He would come out of it, and go back into it. 762 01:21:35,269 --> 01:21:36,684 He would function and then he would fall apart. 763 01:21:37,789 --> 01:21:40,412 Because I had experience with my father 764 01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:48,075 I knew how to be the adult and look after the adult who was acting like a child. 765 01:21:49,801 --> 01:21:51,113 Where were you last night? 766 01:21:53,046 --> 01:21:58,983 Well I haven't actually been to bed for about 48 hours. I mean you know I... 767 01:21:59,017 --> 01:22:00,018 How come? 768 01:22:00,053 --> 01:22:02,987 Somehow got here today just... 769 01:22:03,021 --> 01:22:05,990 I was just going to take care of Truman the way he took care of me. 770 01:22:07,025 --> 01:22:11,719 When I say I'll do something I do it. 771 01:22:11,754 --> 01:22:12,997 Yes sir. 772 01:22:13,031 --> 01:22:14,791 I really, really do it. I'm you know? 773 01:22:14,826 --> 01:22:19,313 At the end he unravelled. And he unravelled on TV. 774 01:22:21,384 --> 01:22:28,529 One appearance in particular where he clearly came directly from Studio 54 drunk, 775 01:22:28,564 --> 01:22:31,774 and coked out of his gourd. He was making a spectacle of himself. 776 01:22:31,808 --> 01:22:34,328 Is that you have had a history of alcoholism. 777 01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:36,089 It was a terrible thing to see. 778 01:22:36,123 --> 01:22:38,608 How are you coming along with the problem of drinking? 779 01:22:41,784 --> 01:22:43,751 Truman had been in and out of rehab. 780 01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:49,378 And as I walked in the room he looked oh hi Dotson. 781 01:22:50,724 --> 01:22:53,278 And he said just a minute I have to take my pills - 782 01:22:53,313 --> 01:22:54,141 Antabuse - I have to take my pill. 783 01:22:55,487 --> 01:22:58,007 They have to see you take it, and he took the pill. 784 01:22:58,042 --> 01:23:00,561 And the nurse left and she shut the door 785 01:23:00,596 --> 01:23:05,670 and he goes works every time. 786 01:23:08,397 --> 01:23:13,126 And he said oh, you want a drink? The bar's over there. It's true. 787 01:23:16,198 --> 01:23:21,582 I was walking near my apartment and I suddenly saw Truman a little aged dwarf 788 01:23:23,826 --> 01:23:28,831 carrying a huge plastic bag full of I don't know what. Bottles and things which were clanking. 789 01:23:28,865 --> 01:23:33,318 He looked like a beggar. And I said Truman! 790 01:23:33,353 --> 01:23:37,115 Come back and have a cup of tea with me. 791 01:23:37,150 --> 01:23:39,842 I got him in. he's very wobbly. 792 01:23:39,876 --> 01:23:43,052 Sat him down and went to put a kettle on. 793 01:23:43,087 --> 01:23:46,780 But by the time I'd made the tea 794 01:23:46,814 --> 01:23:50,059 Truman had emptied a bottle of gin 795 01:23:50,094 --> 01:23:52,027 which I think was half full 796 01:23:53,511 --> 01:23:56,790 and was drunk to start with, but this time he was blind drunk. 797 01:23:58,861 --> 01:24:03,072 And there I was looking an idiot with a little tray with a little pot of tea and so on 798 01:24:03,107 --> 01:24:07,111 and I said look I've made this for you. No interest at all. 799 01:24:08,112 --> 01:24:11,598 And so off he went into the dusk. 800 01:24:12,254 --> 01:24:14,118 I was taking... 801 01:24:14,152 --> 01:24:16,568 One program he seemed ill on the show. 802 01:24:17,638 --> 01:24:20,089 And there was a phrase he kept using. 803 01:24:20,124 --> 01:24:24,162 I seem to be going through this terrible haze of pain. 804 01:24:25,681 --> 01:24:27,372 And I said to him one day I said will you cut that out, stop it. 805 01:24:27,407 --> 01:24:29,547 I thought he might get up and have to leave. 806 01:24:29,581 --> 01:24:31,066 And he just laughed you know? 807 01:24:32,826 --> 01:24:38,245 Haze of pain is a good phrase though. The writer was still at work yeah. 808 01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:47,185 Let's order something that takes forever so we can get drunk and disorderly. 809 01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:51,672 Say a Soufflé Furstenberg could you do that? 810 01:24:51,707 --> 01:24:54,330 The maître d' tutted his tongue. 811 01:24:54,365 --> 01:24:58,300 Soufflé Furstenberg is a great nuisance, an uproar. 812 01:24:59,542 --> 01:25:03,891 An uproar said Lady Ena is exactly what we want. 813 01:25:19,976 --> 01:25:25,810 It seems to have been almost a literary hoax in a way. 814 01:25:26,983 --> 01:25:29,952 You know certainly he meant to write it, but 815 01:25:29,986 --> 01:25:34,577 I really - I don't think there's any evidence that anything existed 816 01:25:34,612 --> 01:25:36,924 except the few published excerpts. 817 01:25:36,959 --> 01:25:40,411 Excerpts of a novel that doesn't exist. That's a good one. 818 01:25:46,693 --> 01:25:50,559 He wrote on yellow lined legal pads, and he wrote by hand. 819 01:25:51,456 --> 01:25:53,493 He didn't typewrite anything. 820 01:25:53,527 --> 01:25:56,530 So he had so many pads lined up 821 01:25:56,565 --> 01:25:58,877 and so I just assumed as the pile grew 822 01:25:58,912 --> 01:26:01,225 that he was in fact finishing his book. 823 01:26:02,433 --> 01:26:04,952 I don't know what happened to the manuscript, 824 01:26:04,987 --> 01:26:06,644 but I do believe that he had one. 825 01:26:08,059 --> 01:26:13,202 He would tell me that it was just wonderful, and wicked, 826 01:26:13,237 --> 01:26:15,204 and people were going to be so surprised. 827 01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,242 And I know some people think the whole thing was a lie, 828 01:26:18,276 --> 01:26:20,796 but it couldn't have been because he was sitting there writing, and writing, 829 01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:21,210 and writing something. 830 01:26:22,832 --> 01:26:24,834 Yeah, I think he completed the book. He said he completed the book. 831 01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:31,565 I mean I don't know if you can find a source that says Truman told me he didn't complete the book. 832 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,396 I don't know, Truman told me he'd completed the book. I thought the book was done. 833 01:26:36,605 --> 01:26:40,643 It was one of his really best friends says that he gave her a key to a safety deposit box. 834 01:26:40,678 --> 01:26:42,404 And indicated that the novel was in there. 835 01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:46,684 But I have no idea what safety deposit box it fits. 836 01:26:46,718 --> 01:26:48,686 There are millions of those things around. 837 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,482 And I don't know how you ever would tell. 838 01:26:52,759 --> 01:26:57,350 4 million, 4 million 200,000, 4 million 400,000. 839 01:26:57,384 --> 01:27:00,491 Maybe 20 years from now, 30 years from now suddenly it's - someone will find it 840 01:27:02,009 --> 01:27:05,634 and you'll have to pay a pretty penny to get it. 841 01:27:05,668 --> 01:27:07,774 But do I think it exists? Yeah. 842 01:27:09,051 --> 01:27:12,054 It may show up in an auction someday, who knows? 843 01:27:12,088 --> 01:27:14,367 Anyone wish to give more telephone bids? 844 01:27:14,401 --> 01:27:16,507 Someone probably bought it like they buy art 845 01:27:16,541 --> 01:27:18,923 thinking well maybe 10 years from now darling, 846 01:27:18,957 --> 01:27:20,476 this will be worth something. 847 01:27:21,650 --> 01:27:24,722 Just like the de Kooning we bought. 848 01:27:25,516 --> 01:27:27,863 All done? 849 01:27:32,108 --> 01:27:33,972 When he died at the age of 59 850 01:27:34,007 --> 01:27:36,734 Capote had not finished what he called his final 851 01:27:36,768 --> 01:27:38,977 and most important book Answered Prayers. 852 01:27:39,012 --> 01:27:42,360 The book was about life among the unhappy rich 853 01:27:42,395 --> 01:27:45,329 where Capote spent much of his time. 854 01:27:50,368 --> 01:27:53,060 When he writes about the rich or the powerful 855 01:27:55,131 --> 01:27:57,375 contempt just bleeds through him. 856 01:28:03,692 --> 01:28:07,040 The most beautiful writing is about people that don't have any money. 857 01:28:09,007 --> 01:28:13,391 Who aren't famous, who aren't celebrated. That's where you see Truman's heart. 858 01:28:39,728 --> 01:28:40,625 Yes. 859 01:28:59,161 --> 01:29:00,852 Oh, well then you - how can you come here 860 01:29:00,887 --> 01:29:02,682 and talk to me about it? 861 01:29:02,716 --> 01:29:05,512 Jesus, we've been having this big discussion here based on 862 01:29:05,547 --> 01:29:07,963 something that I thought he had this intimate knowledge. 863 01:29:12,726 --> 01:29:14,901 What is heaven for Truman Capote? 864 01:29:20,044 --> 01:29:22,909 I think he probably felt he was in it for a time. 865 01:29:25,912 --> 01:29:27,776 Ballsy little guy. 866 01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:31,711 I have Truman's sofa. 867 01:29:31,745 --> 01:29:33,989 The sofa that he was photographed on in Brooklyn. 868 01:29:35,577 --> 01:29:38,062 And I bought some little ornaments for the table. 869 01:29:39,684 --> 01:29:43,723 Little matchstick holders and lots of little things like that. 870 01:29:47,243 --> 01:29:49,970 What I wanted to buy but I regret that I didn't 871 01:29:50,005 --> 01:29:52,041 was a box of cookies. 872 01:29:53,249 --> 01:29:57,392 Truman had gone through his entire life with 873 01:29:58,669 --> 01:30:02,017 ginger cookies made by Aunt Sook. 874 01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:07,781 They were little gingerbread men dried and desiccated. 875 01:30:09,507 --> 01:30:12,407 His Aunt Sook's gingerbread cookies went with him everywhere. 876 01:30:14,132 --> 01:30:18,102 So extraordinary that his childhood meant so much to him. 877 01:30:19,310 --> 01:30:21,726 These things mattered you know? 878 01:30:27,836 --> 01:30:29,562 Truman had a composition style notebook. 879 01:30:31,287 --> 01:30:33,704 He just said if you want to live with me you have to write about your life. 880 01:30:35,326 --> 01:30:37,915 So I said well why? And he said because your life's about to change 881 01:30:39,503 --> 01:30:42,195 and it's the only way you'll hold onto who you really are. 882 01:30:46,682 --> 01:30:49,098 So I always think of that with him. 76120

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