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- Okay, all flight controllers,
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go/no-go for landing: Retro?
- Go.
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- Vital?
- Go.
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- Guidance.
- Go.
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- Control?
- Go.
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- Tel-Comm?
- Go.
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- GNC?
- Go.
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- HE-Comm?
- Go.
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- Surgeon?
- Go.
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- CapCom, we're go for landing.
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- With the Westall incident,
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just tell us about what happened
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and why it's important to the world.
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- The Westall incident is
an absolutely fascinating
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flying-saucer incident.
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It's probably the largest mass-witness
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skyline sighting of a flying saucer,
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certainly in Australia,
and probably in the world.
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On the 6th of April in 1966
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in a place called Westall
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in the Southeastern suburbs of Melbourne,
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Australia's second-largest city,
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at around 10:15 in the morning
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some students who were
out on the playing field
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at Westall High School
noticed just out of the blue
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this flying-saucer-type object
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appeared above them in the sky.
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And within several minutes,
a huge number of the students
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at both Westall High
School and the neighboring
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primary school next door,
Westall State School,
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witnessed this
flying-saucer-shaped object.
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Some people say it was one.
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Quite a few witnesses remember seeing
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more than one, two or three
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flying low in the sky
above two Westall schools.
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And then the students,
once as the flying saucer
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flew several hundred meters
to the south of the school
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and disappeared behind
a grove of pine trees.
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Because so many of the
students saw the flying saucer
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going into the direction of
this place called The Grange.
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And so many of the students
knew The Grange so well
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because it was an area
very close to their school,
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they did what they knew was very much
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against the school rules: jumped
the school boundary fence,
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raced over the road, and
chased after the flying saucer.
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A small number of the
students were lucky enough
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to arrive in time to see the flying saucer
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still on the ground or at
least very close to the ground.
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And they watched it as it lifted up,
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tilted onto its side, and then flew off
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at an incredible speed.
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- Are any of those students alive today?
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- Nearly all of those students
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are still with us, still alive today.
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I've been in touch with
almost 100 witnesses
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who remember seeing the
flying saucer themselves.
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About 150 students who remember seeing
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the circles left behind
in the grass paddock
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where the flying saucer came down.
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And something like 60
students who were lucky enough
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to have seen both of those things.
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- In the history of this event
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there was one individual, quite prolific,
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Mr. Andrew, the science teacher.
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Can you tell us a little
bit about his involvement?
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And how it may have affected his life?
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- Sure, well, Mr. Andrew Greenwood
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was one of the two science teachers
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at the school at the time.
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There was a male teacher
and a female teacher.
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Andrew Greenwood was
teaching science to a class
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at the time when the
flying saucer appeared.
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And a student rushed into
his class from outside,
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a girl who had been doing
physical education at the time,
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yelling out, "There's a
flying saucer outside!
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"A flying saucer outside!"
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After a few minutes, Andrew
gathered his class together
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and went out to investigate himself.
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And sure enough, getting
out onto the playing field
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he saw a flying saucer for himself,
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as did the students who
were in his science class.
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Andrew was very much
affected by what he had seen.
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He could clearly see what it was
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that the students saw as well.
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And about a week or two later,
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there was a knock at his door at his home.
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And he opened the door
to see two uniformed
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Royal Australian Air Force
officers on his doorstep.
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He thought, okay, they're coming around
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to talk to me about what I've seen,
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to take down more details
about what I'd seen.
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But in fact, they'd come
around to do the very opposite.
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They came around to say,
"Andrew, there are no such things
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"as flying saucers, and we
don't want you talking again
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"about what you say you saw.
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"In fact, if you talk again to the media,"
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at that point in time he had
spoken to the local newspaper,
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and his accounts and his photograph
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had appeared in the newspaper,
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"If you talk again about
what you have seen,
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"we will make sure that
you don't teach again
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"in this state."
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They were coming around to threaten him,
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to put the hard word on him.
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Now, obviously he was very shaken by this.
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And he remembers thinking at the time,
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if there are no such
things as flying saucers,
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why are you two Air Force officers so keen
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for me to not say that I've seen one?
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Why are you two people so keen for me
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not to talk about what I have seen?
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- Historically, if you
mentioned the term UFO,
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you might've been mocked or ridiculed.
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But by the year 2020, UFO
sightings have been reported
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by tens of thousands of citizens
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and by dozens of high-ranking NASA,
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military, and other government officials.
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And while the scientific
consensus might be
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that we will one day find intelligent life
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elsewhere in the universe,
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lots of evidence suggests
that it has already found us.
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Surprisingly, the
majority of UFO sightings
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have taken place under
the Earth's atmosphere
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closer to land than space.
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- Before the first atom bomb went off,
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we were using 5% of all the electricity
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in the United States, this
is during the war mind you,
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where electricity was at a premium
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because you were manufacturing
guns, bullets, everything.
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5% of all electrical
power in the United States
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was being used to separate
uranium isotopes in secret.
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In secret, for people to
say they can't keep secrets.
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- Unidentified flying objects
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most famously made their
media debut in the late 1940s
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when atomic bombs were
used for the first time.
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At that time, UFO's were
known as flying saucers.
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And while some took the
phenomenon seriously,
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the media and general public opinion
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sort of went both ways with it.
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- I explain them as hoaxes,
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as erroneously identified
and friendly aircraft
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or as light aberrations.
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However, there have been
a certain percentage
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of this volume of reports
that have been made
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by credible observers, of
relatively incredible things.
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- In 1952 Eisenhower signed
Executive Order 10501
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that legally allows
any research, military,
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or government agency to
safeguard sensitive information
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from the public if that
information may be seen
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as a threat of geopolitical
or geo-economic nature.
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But in the year 1960, NASA
and the Brookings Institution
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commissioned a report
titled, "The Proposed Studies
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"on the Implications of
Peaceful Space Activities
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"for Human Affairs."
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The report is most famous
for a section titled:
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The Implications of a Discovery
of Extraterrestrial Life.
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This section examines the potential
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implications of such a discovery.
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Most notably, the idea
that such information
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should be withheld from the public.
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This was submitted to the
House of Representatives
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in April of 1961.
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If something can disturb the
peace or scare the public,
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it could easily be deemed
worthy of a coverup
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under the guise of national security.
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This is why secret space theorists believe
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the U.S. government has been
so tight-lipped about UFOs
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and what we've really
found in outer space.
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This full report is now part
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of the United States Congressional Record.
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- To our security.
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A challenge that confronts
us in unaccustomed ways
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in every sphere of human activity.
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This deadly challenge
imposes upon our society
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two requirements of direct concern,
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both to the press and to the President.
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Two requirements that may seem
almost contradictory in tone,
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but which must be reconciled and fulfilled
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if we ought to meet this national peril.
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I refer first to the need
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for far greater public information.
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And second for the need for
far greater official secrecy.
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The very word secrecy is repugnant
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in a free and open society.
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And we are as a people
inherently and historically
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opposed to secret
societies, to secret oaths,
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and to secret proceedings.
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We decided long ago that the dangers
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of excessive and unwarranted concealment
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of pertinent facts, far
outweigh the dangers
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which are cited to justify it.
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- The term secret space
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refers to a conspiracy
theory revolving around
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mysterious anomalies in outer space.
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Unidentified and scrutinized by civilians
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and space research agencies,
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these anomalies have been seen
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around the vicinity of our planet
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and throughout our solar system.
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These include outer space UFOs,
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unidentified lunar objects,
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and unidentified Martian objects.
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The term secret space also refers
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to a possible space research program
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that is not being disclosed
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to the public and mainstream media.
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- Are you working on anything top secret
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that we can't know about yet?
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- That's a good question.
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A lot of people think that, but no,
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everything, all these
investigations and experiments
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we're working on that Peggy
was talking about earlier,
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the scientists get all the data.
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We're not keeping anything
from them or from anybody else.
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There was a day where there were some
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somewhat secret missions
back in the early days
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of the space program, but not anymore.
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We like to share our data
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so that everybody on Earth can benefit.
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- This secret research program
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is allegedly being
conducted by space agencies
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and military black-budget programs.
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The theory that such things are going on
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is as old as space travel itself.
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- Control.
- Go.
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- TEL-Comm.
- Go.
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- GNC.
- Go.
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- HE-Comm.
- Go.
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- Surgeon.
- Go.
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- During the space race
of the 1960s and '70s,
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the United States was
racing to the finish line
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to become the most
technologically advanced
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capitalist society by landing on the Moon
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and sending probes to Mars.
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The U.S. and the USSR were both
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launching impressive space
exploration endeavors
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that led to some of the most
amazing feats in human history.
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Landing a man on the
Moon, sending satellites
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to take the world's first
close-up photographs of Mars.
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This was the ultimate statement
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of scientific and economic prosperity.
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- There is no strife, no prejudice,
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no national conflict
in outer space as yet.
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Its hazards are hostile to us all.
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Its conquest deserves
the best of all Mankind.
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And its opportunity for
peaceful cooperation
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may never come again.
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But why, some say, the Moon?
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Why choose this as our goal?
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And they may well ask, why
climb the highest mountain?
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Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic?
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Why does Rice play Texas?
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We choose to go to the Moon!
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We choose to go to the Moon.
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We choose to go to the Moon in this decade
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and do the other things.
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Not because they are easy,
but because they are hard.
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Because that goal will serve
to organize and measure
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the best of our energies and skills.
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Because that challenge is one
that we're willing to accept.
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One we are unwilling to postpone.
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And one we intend to
win, and the others too.
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- But while this went on,
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strange things were reported by astronauts
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and cosmonauts caught in
the middle of this race.
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In order to understand,
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one must start at the beginning
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of Mankind's ventures into space.
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- Three, two, one,
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zero, ignition.
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And we have a lift off.
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- Space is being explored
for the benefit of mankind.
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- In May of 1963,
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U.S. astronaut Gordon
Cooper made 22 flights
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around the earth on the
Mercury IX spacecraft.
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Flying over Australia,
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over the city of Perth, he
reported that a greenish object
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with a red tail was
approaching him along the way.
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- I think they were
extraterrestrial pilots flying.
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No doubt about it.
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Well, that was, I was having some,
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the cameraman found the installation
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of a precision-landing
facility we were putting in
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right on the edge of a dry lake.
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And they saw us, we flew right over 'em,
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and put down three little gear and landed
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out on the dry lake bed.
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And they went out there
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and picked up their cameras
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and moved on out toward him filming.
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And he lifted off, put
the gear back in the well,
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climbed out at a very high
rate of speed and disappeared.
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And so, while I was going
through all the regulation books
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and finding out the number to call
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in Washington to report it,
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I had him go and developed the film.
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By the time he got back
with the developed film,
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I was on the higher and higher and higher
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level of officer talking to me.
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Well anyway, the Colonel telling me to,
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you know, when the film arrived at my desk
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to put it in a courier pouch.
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There would be a courier
there at my office
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by that time already.
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And they'd arranged for him
to fly in our base airplane
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back to Washington with these films.
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- June 3rd, 1965
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Gemini IV made its first manned flight,
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and pilot James McDivitt claimed
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he saw something very unusual.
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The Air Force claimed
that what McDivitt saw
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was actually the Pegasus II satellite.
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- General McDivitt,
have you ever seen a UFO?
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- Yes, during my flight
on Gemini IV in 1965
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I saw an object in space
fairly close to our spacecraft
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that I could not identify.
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It looked to me like maybe
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the upper stage of another rocket.
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I tried to take some pictures of it,
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but unfortunately the pictures
did not come out properly.
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We never were able to identify what it was
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and all of our ground radar tracking data
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indicated that there shouldn't have been
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another object anywhere
near us at the time.
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- Gemini VII here.
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Houston, how do you read?
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- Loud and clear, VII, go ahead.
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- We have a bogey at 10 o'clock high.
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- This is Houston.
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Say again, VII.
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- I said we have a bogey
at 10 o'clock high.
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- Roger.
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- Gemini Control here, Captain.
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The reference to that conversation
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about the bogey.
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A sighting was reported.
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Sighting, the bogey.
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- Also in 1965,
the ZOND 3 space probe
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was part of Russia's Mars 3-MV project.
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This satellite took many photographs
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from the far side of the Moon,
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looking back in Earth's direction.
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In frame 25 we see in the photo
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what appears to be a mysterious tower
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on the horizon of the lunar landscape.
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At the time this photo was taken,
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the camera was 10,000 kilometers
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from the surface of the Moon.
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This allowed theorists
to estimate the structure
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would stand at least 3.5 miles high.
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There have been reports
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that smaller structures
can also be seen nearby.
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This tower has since been
dubbed The Tower of Babel.
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NASA has never had an official
explanation for this object,
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nor have the Russians.
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In the early 2000s,
awhistleblower named Karl Wolfe
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came out with a shocking
story about something
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00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,460
that happened to him in the late sixties.
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Wolfe claimed to have worked
for the United States Air Force
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as a photography technician.
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- We also did gun camera
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and reconnaissance film from C-130s,
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all sorts of aircraft that were going into
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combat situations; we
processed the film for that.
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It was
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1965.
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My boss came to me, I was
working in a color lab
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at that time, I was a technician,
photographic technician
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with a background in electronics.
370
00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:29,220
I've been trained in
electronic photographic repair.
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00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:31,260
At any rate, I was in a color lab one day
372
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when my boss, Staff Sergeant
Taylor came over to me
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and said that they were having
a problem with some equipment
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on the base, and it was the
first Lunar Orbiter program,
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where they had a mission to
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pretty much locate the first landing sites
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for the 1969 lunar mission
for the astronauts.
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00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:59,060
So, at any rate, he said they were having
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some problem with the
equipment over there.
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00:25:00,730 --> 00:25:02,380
It was a similar equipment that we had.
381
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It was computerized
content printing equipment.
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And he wanted to know if I would go over
383
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and take a look at it.
384
00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:11,290
And he said to me, "It's an NSA facility."
385
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:14,230
And at the time I didn't
know what NSA was.
386
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:17,050
I was pretty naive and
I thought he said NASA.
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So, in my mind, for a
long time I thought it was
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a NASA facility that I'd gone to.
389
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:24,980
But I remembered him saying NSA
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00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:28,400
and converting it in my own mind to NASA.
391
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,420
- And for viewers, the NSA is?
392
00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:32,900
- It's the National Security Agency.
393
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,880
- How did you get to be in a position
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where you actually were
to deal with the material
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00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,620
we are about to discuss?
396
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600
- I was asked to go over to this facility
397
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,650
on Langley Air Force
Base, where the NSA was
398
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:49,330
bringing in the information
from the Lunar Orbiter.
399
00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:53,470
And so I packed up some
tools, I went over.
400
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:55,990
So, they took me into this laboratory.
401
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:57,280
I took a look at the equipment.
402
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,180
There was an Airman Second Class in there.
403
00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:01,720
I was an Airman Second Class as well.
404
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,610
He turned the equipment on
405
00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:05,240
and put it through its paces.
406
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,990
It didn't do what it was supposed to do.
407
00:26:06,990 --> 00:26:09,250
I saw what was going on with it.
408
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:12,260
I said, "I need to do some
troubleshooting on it."
409
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:14,430
It had little printed circuit boards in it
410
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:15,560
with discrete components.
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00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,250
At that time, it was before
we had integrated circuits.
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00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:20,250
So, while I'm in there, I said to him
413
00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:22,320
that I'm really fascinated
with this process.
414
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,440
How did they get the images
from the Lunar Orbiter
415
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,750
to the laboratory here?
416
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:30,200
And he went through the whole process,
417
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,880
describing how the
various radio telescopes
418
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,710
around the world were linked,
419
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:38,020
and they telemetered the
data into Langley Field.
420
00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:42,560
And at the time, I didn't
know what the real purpose
421
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,800
of this dark room and this
operation in this facility was.
422
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,240
I thought this was where they
were bringing the data in
423
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,410
and then releasing the
images to the public.
424
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:54,560
I had no idea that there
were other issues involved
425
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,590
in this facility.
426
00:26:56,590 --> 00:27:00,260
So, he starts telling me
all of this information.
427
00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:04,320
And I knew that what we were
doing was classified anyway
428
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,460
and that he could only
share a certain level
429
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,980
of what he was doing with me
430
00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:13,770
because of the compartmentalize
nature of our jobs.
431
00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:14,770
At any rate,
432
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,900
you know, he told me
how everything worked.
433
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,000
He showed me the equipment where
434
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,110
the digital information came in,
435
00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:24,790
where it was converted
to photographic images.
436
00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:28,230
They were doing 35-millimeter
strips of film at that time,
437
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,270
which were then assembled
438
00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:33,890
into 18 and 1/2 by 11-inch
mosaics they were called.
439
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,100
There was a digital
signature and a gray scale
440
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,370
on every 35-millimeter strip.
441
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:41,890
And those strips were
from successive passes
442
00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:44,540
around the Moon, and they would take
443
00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:45,960
and build up a photograph.
444
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,090
They would scan one section
of Moon then another
445
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:50,880
and another, and then they
would get a larger image.
446
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,480
So, this mosaic then would be
put in that contact printer.
447
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,460
And that was then a print
that was issued to whomever:
448
00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:00,550
the press, the scientist, whatever,
449
00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:02,540
wherever that was intended to go.
450
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:04,450
So, he was showing me
how all of this worked.
451
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:08,170
And we walked over to one
side of the lab and he said,
452
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,480
"By the way, we've discovered a base
453
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:12,150
"on the backside of the Moon."
454
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,470
And I said, "Who's?"
469
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,130
"What do you mean, who's?"
455
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:18,460
He said, "Yes, we've discovered a base
456
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"on the back side of the Moon."
457
00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:23,250
And at that point I
become became frightened.
458
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:25,360
And I was a little terrified
459
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,320
thinking to myself that if
anybody walks in the room now,
460
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,750
I know we're in jeopardy, we're in trouble
461
00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:33,800
because he shouldn't be
giving this information.
462
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,690
I was fascinated by it, but I also knew
463
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:37,520
that he was overstepping a boundary
464
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,910
that he shouldn't be stepping over.
465
00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:42,760
And then he pulled out
one of these mosaics
466
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:46,860
and showed this base,
which had geometric shapes.
467
00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:51,570
There were towers, there
were spherical buildings.
468
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:54,690
There were very tall towers
and things that looked
469
00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:58,540
somewhat like radar dishes,
but they were large structures.
470
00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:02,290
So, it was rare that someone
would do something like this,
471
00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:04,110
but this fellow and I were the same rank.
472
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:07,450
I think he was very distressed.
473
00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:09,640
He had the same pallor and demeanor
474
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,190
as the scientists outside of the room.
475
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:13,670
They were just as concerned as he was.
476
00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:17,260
And he needed to discuss it with somebody.
477
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:19,830
So, that was the end of it right there.
478
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:21,980
I didn't take it any further than that.
479
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,900
You know, I just filed it away.
480
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,780
But the interesting thing,
every day that I went home,
481
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:30,610
I would think to myself,
482
00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:32,970
I can't wait to hear
about this on the news.
483
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:34,180
You know?
484
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:36,080
And you know, so, I'd turn on the TV
485
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,950
and I'd look at the news to
see if they're gonna announce
486
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:41,700
we've discovered a base on
the backside of the Moon.
487
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,260
Being really naive, you know?
503
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,890
And of course here it
is 30-some years later
488
00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:49,180
and we still haven't heard about it.
489
00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:53,240
- Another now famous
unidentified lunar object
490
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,960
was spotted by the Lunar
Orbiter III in February of 1967.
491
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,620
A total of 149 medium-resolution
492
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:05,910
and 477 high-resolution frames
493
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,420
were returned from this mission.
494
00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:10,420
And in one composite image,
495
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:13,170
an object known as The Shard can be seen.
496
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:17,380
This object is supposedly
located between the Bruce Crater
497
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:21,080
and the Sinus Medii Mare
Plain area of the Moon.
498
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520
NASA has never acknowledged this anomaly,
499
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,780
but www.livescience.com purports
500
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:27,700
that The Shard image was doctored
501
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,710
by popular secret space
theorist Richard Hoagland.
502
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:32,490
However, amateur astronomers
503
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:34,830
have found The Shard themselves,
504
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:38,480
suggesting it actually
exists in the images.
505
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,620
When looked at from another angle,
506
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,500
a similar-sized shadow can
be seen from the object.
507
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,080
- So, where did I find the shot?
508
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,830
Well, I found it at the Lunar
Reconnaissance Orbiter images
509
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,280
on the L-R-O-C browser,
510
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,750
and this is the area we're gonna focus on.
511
00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:58,050
It's not round, it's cube, cubic.
512
00:30:58,050 --> 00:30:59,600
And here we see the shadow again.
513
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,060
- The Apollo cover story
514
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,860
was specifically designed
to allow those missions
515
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:06,000
to be conducted in the public eye
516
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,420
while at the same time
actively concealing the fact
517
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:12,120
that evidence of intelligent
extraterrestrial life
518
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,370
had been discovered in
space and on the Moon.
519
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:18,700
The scripting protocols followed
during the Apollo program
520
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,970
were for the most part highly effective
521
00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:23,510
at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge
522
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:26,200
any sensitive information
while they communicated
523
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,730
over the public radio
channel with Houston.
524
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:31,700
However, when the astronauts
were not in radio contact
525
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,390
with Mission Control-
526
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,850
- Take on to Bravo, Johnny.
527
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:37,860
- Roger.
528
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,780
- There we go.
529
00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:45,880
- Well, let's see.
530
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,430
We've had visitors again.
531
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:48,760
- Yeah.
532
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,820
Hardly worth mentioning.
533
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:52,490
- Agreed.
534
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:57,410
- These comments were captured
535
00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:00,830
by a device mounted inside the Apollo CSM
536
00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:04,190
that was known as the Data
Storage Equipment recorder.
537
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:06,730
- It's a very fantastic view
538
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:10,080
to see the terminator as you
look along the edge of it.
539
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680
I think you would agree
that some of these craters
540
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,740
that you're seeing in the picture now
541
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:18,310
are really accentuated by the lengthening
542
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:20,950
of the shadows as we
approach the terminator.
543
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,180
- They're very beautiful.
544
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:24,070
- In addition to recording a variety
545
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:28,790
of spacecraft parameters,
the DSE's 14-track tape
546
00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:32,420
also recorded many
internal crew conversations
547
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:33,990
that took place when the astronauts
548
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:36,820
were not communicating
with mission control.
549
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:40,440
Unfortunately, NASA
claims that the original
550
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,250
Apollo DSE black box tapes are missing
551
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,530
and presumed lost or destroyed.
552
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,780
The DSE recordings were
transcribed, however,
553
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:52,930
and although they were
originally classified,
554
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,550
those transcripts can today
be found in the NASA archives.
555
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:59,740
Listen as Jack Schmitt,
the only ASTRO geologist
556
00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,440
to go to the Moon makes
a less-than-cryptic joke
557
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,530
to Houston regarding
the boulders on the Moon
558
00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:08,210
he has just been told
to keep an eye out for.
559
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:10,220
- We're almost to that rise.
560
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:11,760
- You ought to be in the vicinity
561
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,010
of some very large boulders.
562
00:33:13,010 --> 00:33:15,760
- Houston, there's a...
563
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,850
There certainly are a lot
of big boulders, wink.
564
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:53,780
- Hey, I just saw a flash
on the lunar surface.
565
00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:56,730
- Oh yeah?
566
00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:57,800
- They were just right out there
567
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,150
north of Grimaldi.
568
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,970
- December, 1968.
569
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:04,470
Apollo VIII is the
first human space flight
570
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:05,780
to orbit the Moon.
571
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:08,880
Astronaut James Lowell
observed the dark side,
572
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,350
typically not visible from Earth.
573
00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:15,380
Some people think this is when
Lowell saw something unusual.
574
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:18,470
Because he had this to say over the radio.
575
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:19,810
- Hello, Apollo VIII.
576
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:21,060
Loud and clear.
577
00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:25,100
- Roger.
578
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:27,710
Please be informed,
there is a Santa Claus.
579
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:29,520
- Some people believe the mention
580
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,620
of Santa Claus was code for
sightings of aliens or UFOs.
581
00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:38,000
A Canadian independent space researcher
582
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,770
named Cary Martynuik has
assembled a high volume
583
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:45,870
of credible secret space
and UFO-related data
584
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:47,180
from the Apollo era.
585
00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:50,700
- We're gonna help uncover
some of that today.
586
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:53,020
I've been researching this subject matter
587
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:54,890
for over a decade now.
588
00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:57,920
And whether it's photographic
or video evidence
589
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,340
or transcript evidence.
590
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:02,100
Today I wanted to give you a closer look
591
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,070
at a very brief segment of 16-millimeter
592
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:07,120
DAC motion picture footage
from the NASA archives
593
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,100
that was originally shot
back in July of 1969
594
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,240
during the flight of Apollo 11.
595
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,610
And the footage was taken through
596
00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:15,700
one of the windows of the
command service module
597
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,060
during what was called
the Trans-Lunar coast,
598
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:20,280
or TLC Phase of the mission.
599
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,020
And this was the three-day period
600
00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:23,770
when the astronauts were crossing
601
00:35:23,770 --> 00:35:26,550
the almost 400,000-kilometer
Cis-Lunar void
602
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:28,230
that separates our Earth from the Moon.
603
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:30,890
And at some point during
this outbound journey
604
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:34,190
through Cis-Lunar space, one
of the Apollo 11 astronauts
605
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:35,770
did some unscheduled shooting
606
00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:38,540
with the 16-millimeter
DAC motion picture camera.
607
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,250
And in the process managed to film
608
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:43,720
several unidentified objects
outside their spacecraft.
609
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,370
And to show you what I mean,
let's first just have a look
610
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:48,780
at the raw segment of footage
exactly as it's archived
611
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,270
and shown by NASA in
their Apollo archives.
612
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:53,510
And I'll warn you, though, that
this raw segment of footage
613
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:56,450
is very brief and the scene
it shows is very unstable.
614
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:58,620
So, don't blink or you might miss it.
615
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:59,620
Here's the clip.
616
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,780
While this particular clip
has been digitally archived
617
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,520
by NASA so that when played back,
618
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,240
it appears to be about
one second in duration,
619
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,860
it is not actually showing us
620
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:11,470
a one-second period of
time caught on film.
621
00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:13,350
This clip we're examining here is actually
622
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:15,670
time-compressed stop-motion footage.
623
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:17,770
And in this case, the
sequence is comprised
624
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:21,570
of 11 individual distinct
frames 16-millimeter film
625
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:24,620
that were originally exposed
at one frame per second
626
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,510
intervals over a period of 11 seconds.
627
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:29,840
And this type of stop-motion
filming was possible
628
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,870
because the Maurer
16-millimeter DAC that was used
629
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:35,140
throughout the Apollo program was in fact
630
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:37,240
a variable-frame-rate
motion picture camera
631
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,910
that was capable of shooting
632
00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:41,300
at four different preset exposure speeds.
633
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,770
Either one, six, 12, or
24 frames per second.
634
00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:46,630
And in the case of this footage,
635
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,690
rather than archiving it at the correct
636
00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:50,870
one-frame-per-second playback speed,
637
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:53,170
they instead incorrectly
archive the sequence
638
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:56,390
as if it had been shot at 12
frames per second instead.
639
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:58,390
So, this means that NASA actually present
640
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:59,750
this stop-motion sequence in such a way
641
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,060
that it is being shown at a playback rate
642
00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:03,750
that's 12 times faster than
643
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:06,170
what the frames were actually exposed at.
644
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,480
However, this segment of
footage does provide us
645
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,550
with a known stationary object
within the field of view.
646
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:14,630
One of the RCS quad
thrusters on the Lunar Module
647
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:16,600
is visible outside the window
648
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,700
in all 11 frames of this sequence.
649
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,810
So, using that RCS quad
thruster as our target object,
650
00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:23,620
we can stabilize a short sequence
651
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,870
and effectively cancel
out that camera shake.
652
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:28,850
And in the now-stabilized
version of the scene,
653
00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:31,030
you see that the RCS quad thruster
654
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:33,640
has been specifically targeted
so that it now remains
655
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,370
locked in place throughout the duration
656
00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:37,000
in the 11-frame sequence.
657
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,340
And with the shake removed,
you can now see more clearly
658
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:42,400
that the several unidentified objects
659
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,030
are moving around outside the window.
660
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:47,430
Now, unfortunately, due to the stop-motion
661
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:49,800
one-frame-per-second
nature of this footage
662
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,390
and the fact that the camera was handheld,
663
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:54,670
there is significant
object movement that occurs
664
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:56,920
between each frame that
was not caught on film.
665
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,210
Whatever these objects are,
666
00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:00,030
they are clearly flying free in space.
667
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:01,730
And we can say with certainty
668
00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:03,370
that they are definitely not any
669
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:05,770
declared satellites or known debris.
670
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:07,840
We don't know what they
are, where they came from,
671
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,370
how they got there, where they're going,
672
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:10,460
or what they're doing there.
673
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:12,520
And that by definition puts them
674
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,730
into the category of being unidentified.
675
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,640
- There's an enormous volume of data
676
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,520
that the skeptics refuse to consider.
677
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,980
Mr. Klass, for example, in three books,
678
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:24,830
it doesn't even mention the largest study
679
00:38:24,830 --> 00:38:28,040
ever done about flying
saucers, because the data in it
680
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080
clearly contradict the
pronouncements that he makes.
681
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,090
- I'll tell you what, make it
easy on me again, Mr. Klass.
682
00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:37,060
The object that was moving
at an apparent speed
683
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:40,230
of 1000 miles an hour versus-
- Ted, I cannot identify it
684
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:41,640
off the top of my head.
685
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,660
All I can say is that in
your seven-minute intro here,
686
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:48,300
there were any number of those cases
687
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:50,130
that have been explained.
688
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:52,300
Several of the photos were hoaxes.
689
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,620
- Okay, but before we
run out of time here,
690
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:56,900
what we're dealing with, and
again, that's why the public,
691
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:00,410
I think, gloms onto
this as much as it does,
692
00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,360
here we have a couple of pilots.
693
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,120
I mean, these were experienced observers,
694
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,320
especially about things like that.
695
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,640
Doesn't that cause you to
wonder just a little bit?
696
00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:12,130
- No, it doesn't because
the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek
697
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:15,190
did an analysis of pilot reports
698
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:17,830
in the Air Force files and found
699
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:21,760
that in terms of
misidentifying prosaic objects
700
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,830
like stars and balloons, that pilots,
701
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:28,060
military and airline pilots were no better
702
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:30,460
than ordinary civilians.
703
00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:34,710
Being a pilot does not improve
your powers of perception.
704
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:39,030
- When a debunker says,
"No pictures can withstand
705
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,230
"careful investigation by
confident investigators,"
706
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,230
we got to throw in the competence there,
707
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,910
what it means is he hasn't
looked at the evidence.
708
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:52,190
There is, there are pictures
709
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,640
that have been validated
by scientific groups.
710
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,840
One of the best photo analysts
is Dr. Bruce Maccabee.
711
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,260
Got a PhD in physics,
he's an optical physicist.
712
00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:08,020
Worked for a Navy
research lab for 30 years.
713
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:10,490
He has found several pictures
that he has looked at
714
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:12,960
very carefully with the
best tools available
715
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,300
to anybody studying
optical phenomenon stuff,
716
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,160
and found several that
will withstand examination.
717
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,970
To make proclamations
about what's impossible
718
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:26,120
from people who haven't studied
the things in that field
719
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,130
is pretty darn foolish.
720
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,010
- The following conversations took place
721
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:50,200
after CDR Stafford and LMP Cernan
722
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,700
had separated Snoopy from Charlie Brown
723
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,270
and were in the midst of conducting
724
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:56,660
their landing dress rehearsal flight plan
725
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:58,490
behind the lunar far side.
726
00:41:58,490 --> 00:42:01,220
Note that this DSEA transcription covers
727
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:05,420
both internal LM conversations
between Stafford and Cernan
728
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:08,840
as well as their radio
dialogue with CMP John Young,
729
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,460
who was flying solo in
the CSM Charlie Brown.
730
00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:24,930
- Apollo X, Houston.
731
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:26,590
Two minutes to LOS.
732
00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:28,270
Everybody here says Godspeed.
733
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:32,820
- Okay, and we'll see you
734
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:34,730
right on the other side in orbit.
735
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:35,730
- Roger.
736
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:39,770
- Just to be clear,
737
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:41,950
the astronauts are discussing a noise
738
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:45,030
they're suddenly hearing behind
the far side of the Moon.
739
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,260
Note that the music is being
heard in both spacecraft
740
00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:54,100
by all three astronauts at the same time.
741
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,060
- We are getting data.
742
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,340
We don't have any voice communication yet.
743
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:55,570
Hello, Apollo team.
744
00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:56,570
Houston, over.
745
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:02,570
- Roger, Houston, Apollo 10.
746
00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:05,820
- Voices reportedly were heard in May, 1969
747
00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:09,330
by the Apollo 10 astronauts
as they circled the Moon.
748
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,630
The sounds, which lasted about an hour,
749
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:15,400
were recorded and transmitted
to Mission Control in Houston.
750
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,130
- That music even sounds
751
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:18,860
outer spacey, doesn't it?
752
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:21,070
Do you hear that, that whistling sound?
753
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:33,790
- Independent space researcher
Cary Martynuik,
754
00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:36,130
he would want you to know
that a whole lot more
755
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:39,330
of his evidence has been
supposedly sanitized
756
00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:44,330
or doctored by NASA and
the Department of Defense.
757
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:47,900
A mountain of film and
photographic materials
758
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,300
from Apollo missions.
759
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:53,490
Some of the greatest
anomalies to have come out
760
00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:57,270
of early space missions would
undoubtedly present themselves
761
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:58,830
during the Apollo era.
762
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,910
- Goldstone MNO, Houston CapCom.
763
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:20,100
Could you put the TV down on this place.
764
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:23,010
- CapCom, Goldstone, roger.
765
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,930
- Houston CapCom, Goldstone MNO net one.
766
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:28,180
- Go.
767
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:29,650
- The TV people do not have access
768
00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:30,810
to net one in that area.
769
00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:32,790
Suggest we use net two for that purpose.
770
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:34,360
- Okay, going to net two.
771
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:37,430
- Hello, Apollo XI, Houston.
772
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:40,050
Please select omni-bravo on board, over.
773
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:45,200
- Take onto bravo, Johnny.
774
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,200
- Roger.
775
00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:51,310
- Okay, XI, we have a picture.
776
00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:53,750
We see there it's right in the
center of the screen, over.
777
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,870
- Roger, Houston, Apollo XI.
778
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,490
Calling in from about 130,000 miles out.
779
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,740
- We can see
780
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:08,980
the oceans with
781
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:12,400
a definite blue gap.
782
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,670
We see white bands of
major cloud formations
783
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:16,970
across the Earth.
784
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:19,430
And we can see
785
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:23,990
coastlines.
786
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,340
- Apollo XI astronaut Edwin Buzz Aldrin,
787
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:28,150
the second man to walk on the Moon,
788
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:30,700
has actually given an
interview where he confirmed
789
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:32,650
that certain segments
of his Apollo mission
790
00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:34,250
were indeed carefully scripted
791
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:37,400
to control exactly what
the public saw and heard.
792
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,670
Back in 2003, Aldrin was
interviewed for Neil Armstrong's
793
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:43,990
only authorized biography,
and during that interview
794
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:46,320
he was asked about whether
some of the live television
795
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,170
transmissions that were made
from the CSM during the flight
796
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,600
really were improvised and unscripted.
797
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,760
And in response Aldrin first admits
798
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
that NASA "Went to great lengths"
799
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,450
to make sure that they
appeared unscripted.
800
00:47:59,450 --> 00:48:01,350
And he then goes on to say the following.
801
00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,150
And I'll quote Aldrin directly here.
802
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:07,830
"The fact is, they were
carefully planned in advance.
803
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,370
"And for me, the exact
words were written down
804
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:13,360
"on little cards stuck onto
the panel in front of us."
805
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,940
During the Apollo program,
the Moonwalking astronauts
806
00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:22,400
wore a small booklet that
was attached to the wrist
807
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,360
of their space suit, designed to serve
808
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,340
as a quick reference timeline and schedule
809
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:28,790
of lunar surface operations checklist.
810
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:31,540
And here are the last two
pages from Apollo 12 Commander
811
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:34,910
Pete Conrad's actual flown
EVA wrist cuff checklist
812
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:37,420
that he wore during his two Moonwalks.
813
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:40,290
This pair of pages obviously
written before the mission
814
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:43,110
and easily accessible to him
while on the lunar surface
815
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:46,460
were clearly meant to provide
Conrad with pre scripted,
816
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:49,090
already sanitized geologic or selenologic
817
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:51,700
phrasing suggestions,
reminding him to keep
818
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,110
any descriptions he gives
over the public radio loop
819
00:48:54,110 --> 00:48:57,930
censored so they focus
on geologic aspects only.
820
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:59,620
And there is no other reason for Conrad
821
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:02,480
to have sanitized script notes
describing his landing site
822
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,480
in his checklist during these Moonwalks.
823
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,510
- Do we copy?
824
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:08,600
- It's a pretty good little jump.
825
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,590
- So there's a foot on the Moon,
826
00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:12,130
stepping down on the Moon.
827
00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:14,430
If he's testing that first step,
828
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:16,980
he must be stepping down
on the Moon at this point.
829
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:23,560
Armstrong is on the Moon, Neil Armstrong.
830
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,590
38-year-old American, standing
on the surface of the Moon.
831
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:32,450
On this July 20th, 1969.
832
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:35,320
- That's one small step for a man.
833
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,090
One giant leap for Mankind.
834
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,490
- Hello, Neil and Buzz.
835
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:45,470
I'm talking to you by telephone
836
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:47,750
from the Oval Room at the White House.
837
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:50,090
And this certainly has
to be the most historic
838
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:53,750
telephone call ever made
from the White House.
839
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:56,440
I just can't tell you how proud we all are
840
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,110
of what you have done.
841
00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:59,860
For every American, this has to be
842
00:49:59,860 --> 00:50:01,970
the proudest day of our lives.
843
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,500
And for people all over the world,
844
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,890
I am sure that they
too join with Americans
845
00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:11,880
in recognizing what an
immense feat this is.
846
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:15,410
Because of what you have done,
847
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:19,610
the heavens have become
a part of Man's world.
848
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:24,570
And as you talk to us from
the Sea of Tranquility,
849
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:27,320
it inspires us to redouble our efforts
850
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,310
to bring peace and tranquility to Earth.
851
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:51,990
- I'm trying to cheat and look out there.
852
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,220
I think I see my crater.
853
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,680
- Your LPD?
854
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,510
- I'm not sure.
855
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:58,110
- Coming through seven.
856
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:59,890
P-64, Pete.
857
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:01,960
- P-64.
858
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,750
That's it, there's LPD.
859
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,440
- Roger, copy, P-64.
860
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,340
- That was an update.
861
00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:07,680
Hey there it is!
862
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,140
There it is, oh my God, right
down the middle of the road.
863
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:11,970
- Outstanding!
864
00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:13,380
42 degrees, Pete.
865
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:14,390
- Hey, we're beside it.
866
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:16,470
Right by that crater, look out there.
867
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:17,540
I can't believe it.
868
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:18,540
Amazing!
869
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:23,730
- During the November,
1969 flight of Apollo 12,
870
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:26,490
NASA's official historical
record has always told us
871
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:28,580
that Mission Commander Charles Pete Conrad
872
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:30,770
and Lunar Module pilot Alan Bean
873
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:32,440
touched down at their lunar landing site
874
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,610
known as Statio Cognitium,
which is located
875
00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:36,740
on the eastern edge of Oceanus Procellarum
876
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:38,490
or the ocean of storms.
877
00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:40,440
And from NASA's official
storyline we are told
878
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,380
that the pair of astronauts
conducted two EVAs
879
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:47,300
on the lunar surface during
your 31.5-hour stay on the Moon.
880
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:48,990
- Okay, Pete!
881
00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:51,110
- That may have been
a small one for Neil,
882
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:53,420
but that's a long one for me.
883
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,430
- Today we will examine some very relevant
884
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:57,940
NASA archive evidence
related to this flight.
885
00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:00,550
And I will demonstrate to you
that NASA's official claim
886
00:52:00,550 --> 00:52:02,550
that only two EVAs took place
887
00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:05,140
during the Apollo 12 mission is a lie.
888
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:07,690
Before going any further,
I think it's important
889
00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:09,360
that we make sure that
everyone appreciates
890
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,800
the distinction between a
Moonwalk EVA and a Standup-EVA.
891
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,160
So, first we'll take a quick look
892
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,470
at exactly what the difference is
893
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:18,240
between those two extra-vehicular
activity types are.
894
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,720
It's important for us to remember here
895
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,410
that the Grumman Lunar Modules used
896
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:25,620
throughout the Apollo program
did not utilize airlocks
897
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:28,350
to allow the astronauts
to conduct EVA operations.
898
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:30,720
They instead had ingress/egress hatches,
899
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,560
a pair of hatches on each
Lunar Module, in fact.
900
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,140
The hatch the astronauts used
after landing on the Moon
901
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,450
in order to get from
the interior crew cabin
902
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:40,130
of the LM down to the lunar surface
903
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:42,230
so that they could conduct their Moonwalks
904
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:45,310
was a quadrangle hatch that
was located on the forward,
905
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:46,830
or what was in NASA speak known
906
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:49,400
as the +Z side of the spacecraft.
907
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:52,790
When the astronauts were inside
the LM on the lunar surface
908
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:55,070
and wanted to conduct a Moonwalk,
909
00:52:55,070 --> 00:52:57,440
they would first don their
space suits and then put on
910
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,470
and connect themselves
to their PLSS backpacks,
911
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:01,680
the personal life support system backpacks
912
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,780
which contained the astronauts'
primary and emergency
913
00:53:04,780 --> 00:53:07,580
O2 breathing supplies and CO2 scrubbers,
914
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:10,600
water tanks to feed their
liquid-cooled LCVG underwear
915
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,090
they wore to prevent
hyperthermic overheating,
916
00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:14,910
as well as the radio communications gear
917
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:17,540
that allowed them to talk to
each other and mission control
918
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:21,050
in Houston when they were
outside on the lunar surface.
919
00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:23,770
After doning the pressure
suits and their PLSS packs,
920
00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:26,110
they would then put on
their pressure helmets,
921
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:29,050
LEVA helmet visor assemblies
and EV pressure gloves,
922
00:53:29,050 --> 00:53:30,480
and pressurize their space suits
923
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,030
with O2 directly from the PLSS backpacks.
924
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:35,450
And once that was done, they
depressurized the crew cabin
925
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:37,930
in the lunar module using a dump valve
926
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:41,660
on the inside of the hatch to
evacuate the roughly 4.6 PSI
927
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:43,960
internal atmospheric
pressure inside the LM
928
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,870
until it equalized with the near vacuum
929
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:49,550
external environmental conditions
out on the lunar surface.
930
00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:51,830
They then cracked open the +Z hatch.
931
00:53:51,830 --> 00:53:55,080
And once that inward-opening
quadrangle hatch was ajar,
932
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,980
the astronauts one at a
time would then crouch down
933
00:53:57,980 --> 00:54:00,440
and back their way out of
the spacecraft feet first,
934
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,160
moving out onto the porch area of the LM,
935
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,190
still some 12 feet above the Lorraine,
936
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:07,360
before finally descending
the nine-rung ladder
937
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,030
down to the lunar surface to actually
938
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:12,120
start getting your feet
dirty in the regolith.
939
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,020
The second hatch on the LM
940
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:15,630
was the circular overhead docking hatch
941
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:17,560
located on the top or what was called
942
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,260
the +X side of the spacecraft.
943
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,660
And this hatch was the one which
944
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:23,670
the command service module would dock with
945
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:26,720
and remain attached to during
the trans-lunar injection,
946
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,760
trans-lunar coast phases of the mission,
947
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,650
as well as during on-orbit
operations above the Moon
948
00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:33,710
prior to LM separation and powered descent
949
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:35,620
or after Lunar rendezvous.
950
00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:38,780
And this +X topside overhead
hatch was primarily used
951
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:41,280
during the Apollo program
for transferring crew
952
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,210
and equipment between the LM and the CSM
953
00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:45,420
when the two craft were docked at space.
954
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:48,370
But when the LM was down on the
lunar surface after landing,
955
00:54:48,370 --> 00:54:51,890
this +X overhead hatch could
be, and occasionally was
956
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:54,640
used for conducting standup
extra-vehicular activities.
957
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,290
One more simple but powerful
influence that played a role
958
00:54:59,290 --> 00:55:02,060
in NASA's decision to conduct
this covert S-EVA during
959
00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:06,390
Apollo 12 dealt with maximizing
the propaganda benefits.
960
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:07,940
The Apollo 12 mission took place
961
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:11,070
during the heart of the
Cold War in 1969, remember.
962
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:12,680
And we know that prior to the flight,
963
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,190
NASA had very publicly billed that mission
964
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:17,430
as being a demonstration
of the LM's precision
965
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:20,040
site targeting and touchdown capabilities.
966
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,490
So, conducting this S-EVA covertly
967
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:25,060
would let NASA maximize
the positive propaganda
968
00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:27,420
if the landing was found to be on target,
969
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:30,030
while also giving them a
headstart to begin mitigating
970
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,860
any negative media fallout
if the covert S-EVA
971
00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:34,990
had revealed that they
touched down too far away
972
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:37,460
from the Surveyor III
Lander to make the traverse
973
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:39,400
over to it, like they had planned to do.
974
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,830
- For the eyes of the
world now look into space,
975
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:47,480
to the Moon and to the planets beyond.
976
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,360
And we have vowed that we
shall not see it governed
977
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,760
by a hostile flag of conquest,
978
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,450
but by a banner of freedom and peace.
979
00:55:59,450 --> 00:56:02,460
We avow that we shall not see space
980
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,260
filled with weapons of mass destruction,
981
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:10,200
but with instruments of
knowledge and understanding.
982
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Yet the vows of this nation
can only be fulfilled
983
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,670
if we in this nation are first,
984
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:20,990
and therefore we intend to be first.
985
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:22,860
- Thankfully for us, a few years ago
986
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:25,490
NASA actually slipped up
and they got a little sloppy
987
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:27,940
with their sanitizing
and censorship protocols,
988
00:56:27,940 --> 00:56:30,850
resulting in the space agency
accidentally publishing
989
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:32,810
classified information within
990
00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:35,460
an unclassified public archive document,
991
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:38,340
confirming the fact that
astronauts Conrad and Bean
992
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:42,070
did indeed conduct not two but three EVAs
993
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:43,590
during the Apollo 12 mission.
994
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:49,040
Back in September of 2006,
an analysis was published
995
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,910
in the NASA archives that was titled,
996
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,140
"The Apollo Experience Lessons Learned
997
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:55,900
"for Constellation Lunar Dust Management."
998
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:58,250
And this document, as its title suggests,
999
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:00,990
deals with examining lunar
dust management issues
1000
00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:02,650
that were experienced
throughout the course
1001
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:05,010
of the six declared Apollo
lunar landing missions,
1002
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:07,130
highlighting concerns
that need to be recognized
1003
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:09,920
and evaluated in order to
better aid in preparation
1004
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,220
for any potential future
missions to the Moon.
1005
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,910
On page nine of this document,
1006
00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:16,970
under the header of Surface Obscuration
1007
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:19,120
During Descent, Observations,
1008
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,340
we discover this rather
interesting paragraph
1009
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:23,180
that slipped past the NASA sensors.
1010
00:57:24,350 --> 00:57:27,810
"The blowing dust caused
by the Apollo 12 LM landing
1011
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:30,580
appears to have been worse
than that of Apollo 11.
1012
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:33,250
In fact, a standup
extra vehicular activity
1013
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:35,630
was performed by the
crew to assess the site
1014
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:37,870
prior to performing lunar surface EVAs
1015
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:40,050
because blowing dust completely obscured
1016
00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:41,250
the view during landing.
1017
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:45,230
Now, if you have even a basic appreciation
1018
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:46,470
of the Apollo 12 missions'
1019
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:49,170
publicly-declared lunar
surface events timeline,
1020
00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:50,490
you can look at this paragraph
1021
00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:53,200
and see that something is
very clearly amiss here.
1022
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,910
Because at least according to
the official historical record
1023
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:58,540
that you've always been
fed by NASA in the past,
1024
00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,430
there was no Standup-EVA conducted
1025
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:02,190
during the Apollo 12 mission.
1026
00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:05,010
Yet this NASA document
published a few short years ago
1027
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:07,570
in their public archives
directly references
1028
00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:10,270
this event that occurred
back in November of 1969,
1029
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:13,880
blatantly admitting that
it did indeed happen.
1030
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,860
First off, it's important to establish
1031
00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:18,430
that what you see here
cannot be explained away
1032
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:22,180
as a simple misprint or an
accidental typo of some kind.
1033
00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:24,460
This document does not
merely just acknowledge
1034
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,370
that a Standup-EVA did take place
1035
00:58:26,370 --> 00:58:29,010
during the Apollo 12
mission, but in essence
1036
00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:30,930
it provides us triple confirmation
1037
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:33,660
of this fact, revealing
not only that this S-EVA
1038
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:36,740
did indeed occur, but
also briefly declaring
1039
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:40,350
when they did it and
why they had to do it.
1040
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,120
And the inclusion of those
three key related points
1041
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,990
within this one paragraph
rules out the possibility
1042
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:48,400
that what you're seeing
here can be accounted for
1043
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,050
or explained away as being a simple
1044
00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:51,450
erroneous misprint of some kind.
1045
00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:54,790
When it came time to actually
conduct their covert S-EVA,
1046
00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:57,340
Conrad and Bean used one
of the hatch dump valves
1047
00:58:57,340 --> 00:58:59,900
to evacuate the internal
LM atmospheric pressure
1048
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,400
just as they would do his
final prep for a Moonwalk EVA.
1049
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,540
Commander Conrad then
reached over his head
1050
00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:08,130
and cracked open the overhead +X hatch,
1051
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:09,990
swinging it inward on his hinges
1052
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:12,680
where it was latched and locked
in the full open position.
1053
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,670
And due to the dimensions of the +X hatch,
1054
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:17,340
only one astronaut at a time could take in
1055
00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:19,120
this impressive view of their landing site
1056
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,810
from the roof of the LM.
1057
00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:22,700
First Commander Pete Conrad and then
1058
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,430
Lunar Module pilot Alan
Bean, one at a time
1059
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:27,670
would step up and stand
on the engine cover
1060
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:30,470
for the ascent propulsion system, the APS
1061
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:32,400
that sticks up from
the floor in the center
1062
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,110
of the LM crew cabin so it was much like
1063
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:36,430
standing on a bench or a low table.
1064
00:59:36,430 --> 00:59:38,120
And this allowed them
to gain enough height
1065
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,870
to poke their upper body out
through the +X overhead hatch
1066
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:44,820
and let them take in the full
360-degree panoramic vista
1067
00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,260
from the roof of their spacecraft
1068
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:48,840
over seven meters above the Lorraine.
1069
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,540
This excellent high-ground
viewpoint atop the LM
1070
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,970
allowed Conrad and Bean to
take in the lay of the land
1071
00:59:53,970 --> 00:59:56,850
and have a good look around
at the Statio Cognitum site,
1072
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:58,770
getting their bearings and allowing them
1073
00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:01,450
to identify their exact
touchdown location.
1074
01:00:01,450 --> 01:00:03,320
And of course take plenty of photographs
1075
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,800
with the Hasselblad
70-millimeter HTC camera as well.
1076
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,150
And those film magazines,
because they were exposed
1077
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:11,820
during a covert, off-the-record S-EVA
1078
01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:14,840
were never publicly declared
or cataloged after the mission.
1079
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,910
So, the public has been denied
that Apollo 12 S-EVA imagery,
1080
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:20,450
and it remains classified
top secret to this day.
1081
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,650
Just prior to the covert S-EVA commencing,
1082
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:25,870
the following exchange
over the public radio loop
1083
01:00:25,870 --> 01:00:28,140
took place between CapCom Jerry Carr
1084
01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:30,250
and Apollo 12 Commander Pete Conrad,
1085
01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:32,450
with Carr telling Conrad
that they had apparently
1086
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:34,450
finally finished the platform alignment.
1087
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:36,840
- Intrepid, Houston.
1088
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,080
The computer is yours.
1089
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,550
- Roger.
1090
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:48,360
- You have a new RLS and state vector.
1091
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,910
- Thank you.
1092
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,430
- Immediately after Conrad says
1093
01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:58,410
the words "Thank you," this is followed
1094
01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:00,210
by an extended and rather bizarre
1095
01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:03,860
dead-air period of 18
minutes and 45 seconds,
1096
01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:05,600
where there is absolutely nothing heard
1097
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,380
from the two astronauts
on the lunar surface
1098
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:09,110
over the public radio loop.
1099
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:10,680
You can confirm this in the official
1100
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,410
Apollo 12 mission audio
file in the NASA archives,
1101
01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:16,060
a waveform analysis which
we're looking at right now.
1102
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:19,030
The area you see highlighted in blue here
1103
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:21,200
is covering the full dead-air period.
1104
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,570
This is where Conrad and
Bean were actually conducting
1105
01:01:23,570 --> 01:01:25,400
the covert Standup-EVA.
1106
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,850
And just to clarify, the wave form spikes
1107
01:01:27,850 --> 01:01:29,770
that you see occurring
within this timeframe,
1108
01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:32,070
highlighted in yellow here, are not due
1109
01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:33,900
to communications from the lunar surface.
1110
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,280
Those waveforms are
denoting radio voice traffic
1111
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,460
between mission control
and the third astronaut,
1112
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:40,520
Command Module pilot, Dick Gordon,
1113
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,070
who you will remember was
actually on orbit above the Moon
1114
01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:45,950
in the Command Service Module,
call sign Yankee Clipper
1115
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:49,430
while Conrad and Bean were
down on the lunar surface.
1116
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:50,300
- Yankee Clipper, Houston.
1117
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:51,740
The CMC is yours.
1118
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:58,280
- Roger, Jerry, thank you.
1119
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,620
How are things going on the surface?
1120
01:02:00,620 --> 01:02:02,370
- They're doing great, Dick.
1121
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,660
- The area highlighted in blue here
1122
01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:07,500
is showing the full segment of dead air
1123
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,060
along the mission timeline.
1124
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:11,400
And you can see that during
that segment of time,
1125
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,430
the astronauts were
officially supposed to be
1126
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:15,680
describing and photographing
the lunar surface
1127
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,760
over the public radio loop.
1128
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,080
All the public got to hear during
1129
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,980
that period was dead air, though.
1130
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:24,730
The fact is, Conrad and Bean
were describing Statio Cognitum
1131
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:25,970
and were taking photographs
1132
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:27,730
during this public blackout period,
1133
01:02:27,730 --> 01:02:30,260
but they were doing it secretly
over the private radio loop
1134
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:32,230
while conducting their covert S-EVA.
1135
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:35,700
For any Apollo crew to be able
to covertly conduct this type
1136
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:38,020
of off-the-record
operation during a mission
1137
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:39,890
without the public knowing about it
1138
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:42,400
would have to mean that
NASA must've possessed
1139
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,520
some kind of technical
capability that allowed
1140
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,990
mission control to carry out
secret radio communications
1141
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:50,340
with the astronauts
when they were in space
1142
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:52,140
or on the lunar surface.
1143
01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:54,010
Unfortunately, many
people still seem to be
1144
01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:56,350
under the erroneous impression
that the NASA archives
1145
01:02:56,350 --> 01:03:00,060
offer the public a 100%
complete and unedited record
1146
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:02,240
of all radio traffic
between the astronauts
1147
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,670
and mission control
during the Apollo program.
1148
01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:07,370
And people think that
because NASA over the decades
1149
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:09,930
has led you to believe that
their lunar explorations
1150
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:11,330
had nothing to hide from the public
1151
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:14,210
and were entirely transparent,
uncensored affairs.
1152
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:15,620
And that is simply not true.
1153
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:18,470
Just to quickly prove to you right now
1154
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:20,950
that this covert-comms
capability did exist
1155
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:23,430
and was employed during
the Apollo program,
1156
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:25,920
we can take a quick look
at a couple of brief quotes
1157
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,130
from Apollo astronaut Eugene Cernan
1158
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:29,720
that he published in his autobiography,
1159
01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:32,820
"The Last Man on the Moon,"
where he blatantly admits
1160
01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:36,050
to the existence and use
of the private radio loop
1161
01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:38,680
that let him secretly
talk with mission control
1162
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,640
at least twice during his Apollo 17
1163
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,030
mission to Taurus-Littrow.
1164
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,940
"Stripped down to our
liquid-cooled underwear,
1165
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:47,970
"we had a quick dinner,
debriefed with the guys on Earth
1166
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:51,090
"via a private radio loop, and
played with some of the rocks
1167
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,970
"we had stowed in the cabin boxes."
1168
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:57,040
In this next quote
Cernan describes another
1169
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,510
brief conversation over
the radio that he had
1170
01:03:59,510 --> 01:04:02,430
following the end of the
second lunar surface EVA.
1171
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:04,490
And the conversation
Cernan is referencing here
1172
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:06,730
was between himself and NASA's Director
1173
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:09,120
of Flight Crew Operations
back at mission control,
1174
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,110
a man by the name of Deke Slayton.
1175
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,610
And Cernan was concerned
here about the fact
1176
01:04:13,610 --> 01:04:16,790
that prior to their flight,
the Palestinian terrorist group
1177
01:04:16,790 --> 01:04:19,580
Black September had actually
made several threats
1178
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:23,150
towards the Apollo 17 mission
and the astronauts' families.
1179
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:24,870
And with the recent Munich massacre
1180
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:27,940
at the 1972 Olympic Summer
Games just a few months prior
1181
01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:30,020
no doubt still in the back of his mind,
1182
01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:31,830
Cernan wanted to make sure that his family
1183
01:04:31,830 --> 01:04:33,650
was safe while he was on the Moon.
1184
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:35,970
And here is how Cernan
described this brief
1185
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:37,570
off-the-record radio conversation
1186
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:39,070
that he had with Deke Slayton.
1187
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640
"After we had some chow and settled down,
1188
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:44,860
"Deke told me on a private radio loop
1189
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:46,940
"that everything was fine at home.
1190
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:48,480
"'I talked to Barbara
and she said everything
1191
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:50,000
"'is okay' he said.
1192
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:51,770
"Not a peep from Black September."
1193
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:55,740
An examination of the Apollo
17 lunar surface mission tapes
1194
01:04:55,740 --> 01:04:58,300
and voice transcripts in
the NASA public archives
1195
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,900
clearly demonstrates that these
private radio conversations
1196
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,580
that Cernan describes in his autobiography
1197
01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:05,960
were never officially
recorded or transcribed
1198
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,630
onto the public record
in the Apollo 17 mission.
1199
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:10,070
So we can state with certainty
1200
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:12,790
that these secret voice
transmissions did happen
1201
01:05:12,790 --> 01:05:14,800
and were deliberately censored by NASA
1202
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,040
and sanitized from the official
public record entirely.
1203
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,050
The only reason we know
that these conversations
1204
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:23,250
in fact did take place is
because astronaut Gene Cernan
1205
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:26,750
openly admitted to it, confirming
both the existence and use
1206
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:29,350
of this private radio loop
during the Apollo program.
1207
01:05:29,350 --> 01:05:31,920
We know that this Standup-EVA
had not been a part
1208
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,630
of the publicized pre-mission flight plan.
1209
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:35,840
So, the fact was it was simply not a part
1210
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,190
of the Apollo 12 public script.
1211
01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:40,010
And make no mistake, the Apollo missions
1212
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:42,760
were heavily-scripted,
highly-censored affairs.
1213
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,240
What the public has been told
about those amazing missions
1214
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,660
to the Moon was merely a sanitized,
1215
01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:50,360
censored version of what
was really going on,
1216
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,830
what was really being said,
1217
01:05:51,830 --> 01:05:54,910
and what was really being
seen and filmed up there.
1218
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:56,430
- Man, you talk about
1219
01:05:56,430 --> 01:05:59,290
a mysterious-looking place.
1220
01:05:59,290 --> 01:06:02,390
- They can cut some parts
of those pictures out
1221
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:05,120
and make a nice photograph!
1222
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,460
- So, there were indeed sanitizing methods
1223
01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:09,480
or pre-planned scripting that was going on
1224
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,680
during the Apollo program to help control
1225
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,430
exactly what the public saw and heard.
1226
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,780
And this kind of censorship
during those lunar missions
1227
01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:18,100
happened a lot more than
most people are aware.
1228
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,710
We're just scratching the
surface of that subject here.
1229
01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:23,620
- This could all be an effort
1230
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:25,700
to keep the public from seeing more
1231
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:28,200
about what is really going on in space.
1232
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,580
- One question has lingered
1233
01:11:58,580 --> 01:12:01,400
in our consciousness for decades now.
1234
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,990
Why haven't we been to
the Moon since 1972?
1235
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:08,480
- Why do you think it didn't happen?
1236
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:13,980
- Well, there's overwhelming
proof that it didn't happen.
1237
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:18,150
There's people researching this topic.
1238
01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:30,510
- On July 20th, 1969,
one of the most momentous
1239
01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:34,180
events in human history occurred:
People walked on the Moon.
1240
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:37,590
Eventually the United States
completed six Moon landings
1241
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:39,700
and then we suddenly stopped.
1242
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:42,930
- If men really did walk on
the Moon in the 1960s and '70s,
1243
01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:44,160
we'd have been back by now!
1244
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,260
Therefore we've never been to the Moon.
1245
01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,270
Well, no.
1246
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:49,380
- Human space flight programs since Apollo
1247
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:52,580
have made up the majority
of the NASA budget.
1248
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:54,520
And the majority of those programs
1249
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,440
are performed by aerospace contractors.
1250
01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,900
- This is Lori Garver.
1251
01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:01,540
She was the Deputy Administrator
1252
01:13:01,540 --> 01:13:03,980
for NASA under President Obama.
1253
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:07,140
Lori says those contracts
have been so long-lived,
1254
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:10,050
that they've locked NASA
into certain technologies,
1255
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,180
mindsets, and dollars.
1256
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:14,980
- No one wanted to compete and competition
1257
01:13:14,980 --> 01:13:16,230
is where you drive down cost.
1258
01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:19,090
- The official explanation for our long absence
1259
01:13:19,090 --> 01:13:21,470
from the Moon is apparently very simple.
1260
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:25,050
Going to the Moon is expensive.
1261
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:27,800
And more evidence is mounting
that private companies
1262
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,980
such as SpaceX may be the
first to return us to the Moon.
1263
01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:34,720
And furthermore land a
manned mission on Mars.
1264
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,920
But secret space theory purports
that there's something else
1265
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,960
making matters more complicated.
1266
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,220
Some believe we have been
warned away from the Moon
1267
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:44,640
by extra terrestrials.
1268
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:48,700
Some believe we are
still going to the Moon
1269
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:50,810
and the public isn't being told about it.
1270
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,830
- Did legendary filmmaker Stanley Kubrick,
1271
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:57,430
who directed such
masterpieces as "The Shining,"
1272
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,860
"Full Metal Jacket,"
and "Dr. Strange Love"
1273
01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:03,590
help perpetrate an Apollo 11
Moon landing hoax for NASA?
1274
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:06,320
- Some people believe that undisclosed
1275
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,590
advanced technologies such as antigravity
1276
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:11,390
are being employed to carry out
1277
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:13,750
some of these secret space endeavors.
1278
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,030
- So does the science support
1279
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,330
that aliens could travel here?
1280
01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:20,660
- The studies on interstellar travel,
1281
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:22,390
and I know something about them
1282
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:24,580
because I worked on those studies.
1283
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:28,380
The science and technology
that we know a great deal about
1284
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,990
tells us that if you
play your cards right,
1285
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:34,470
you can go to the stars.
1286
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:37,060
It's gonna cost a
tremendous amount of money.
1287
01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:38,840
I'm not saying this is easy.
1288
01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:42,210
Look, if I told you
about an aircraft carrier
1289
01:14:42,210 --> 01:14:44,900
that could operate for 18
years without refueling,
1290
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:46,860
you'd say, "You're crazy, man!"
1291
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:48,650
If I told you that 50 years ago.
1292
01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:51,600
But it's real.
1293
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,660
But I'm saying with what we know,
1294
01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:55,550
even though we haven't done it yet,
1295
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:57,540
technological progress comes from
1296
01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:02,340
doing things differently
in an unpredictable way.
1297
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:05,660
The future is not an
extrapolation of the past.
1298
01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:07,370
This camera,
1299
01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:10,770
if you told somebody you
could do what this thing does
1300
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:15,660
70 years ago, he'd of
laughed his head off.
1301
01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:17,950
So, we have examples in our own life,
1302
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:21,500
which today's generation
doesn't know what we did before.
1303
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:23,800
You know,
1304
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,750
gigabytes, come on, what are
you talking about?
1331
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:30,600
- And while there are varying degrees
1305
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,430
to the validity of some of these theories,
1306
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:36,620
the fact is there have
been unexplained anomalies
1307
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:39,630
throughout our history of space travel.
1308
01:15:39,630 --> 01:15:41,500
- Top astronomer in the United States
1309
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:45,900
said if there was one
thing he was sure of,
1310
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,730
man would never fly any
distance in a vehicle.
1311
01:15:48,730 --> 01:15:49,770
This was two months before
1312
01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:51,470
the Wright brothers' first flight.
1313
01:15:53,230 --> 01:15:56,830
Top English astronomer, astronomer royal
1314
01:15:57,850 --> 01:16:01,980
in 1956, an interview in
Time magazine, mind you,
1315
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:05,160
said "Space travel is utter bilge.
1316
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:07,090
"Nobody would pay for it,
what good would it do?
1317
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:09,700
"What we need is better
tools for astronomy."
1318
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:11,780
Sputnik went up the next year.
1319
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:14,330
The field that has benefited
the most from space,
1320
01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:16,910
scientific field is
astronomy because you can
1321
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:18,770
get above the atmosphere
and it's a lot easier
1322
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:20,860
to see things so forth and so on.
1323
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:23,770
But the rules for debunkers,
1324
01:16:23,770 --> 01:16:27,250
first, don't bother me with
the facts; my mind's made up.
1325
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:30,350
Two, what the public doesn't know,
1326
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:32,340
I'm not gonna tell 'em.
1327
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:36,320
Three, if it can't attack
the data, attack the people.
1328
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,040
- The mayor has investigated,
has found that Ed
1329
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,480
and his wife went back to City Hall.
1330
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,050
- Go ahead.
1331
01:16:44,050 --> 01:16:45,440
Let him finish, let him finish.
1332
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,830
- It's the mayor's word against you,
1333
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:51,270
and you have two convicted
felonies on your record.
1334
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:55,940
You served time once for
forgery, once for car theft.
1335
01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:59,380
So, I choose to believe Mayor Ed Gray III.
1336
01:16:59,390 --> 01:17:00,410
- What do you say?
1337
01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:01,860
Okay, you have to respond.
1338
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:04,600
- When I was an 18-year-old boy,
1339
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,320
I did get in trouble with the law.
1340
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,390
But what that has to do with
UFOs, only Phil Klass knows.
1341
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:11,880
Now, this type of ridicule-
1342
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,510
This type of ridicule
1343
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:17,730
is the same thing that the government does
1344
01:17:17,730 --> 01:17:21,270
to virtually every high-profile UFO case.
1345
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:22,560
- It's easier.
1346
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,200
Those are the framework rules.
1347
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,910
Don't bother me with the
facts; my mind's made up.
1348
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:29,720
That's a crucial aspect.
1349
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,160
- Let's get the people in authority to say
1350
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,870
what they're doing with our tax dollars
1351
01:17:33,870 --> 01:17:35,400
and what they're finding out.
1352
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,630
- Okay, Phil, you say what?
1353
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:39,820
- Well, Oprah, I have never read a book
1354
01:17:40,670 --> 01:17:44,020
labeled non-fiction that is riddled
1355
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:45,890
with so many errors of fact.
1356
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:47,170
- You know, I knew-
- There are no one kinds
1357
01:17:47,170 --> 01:17:49,180
of errors of fact.
1358
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:52,120
He claims to have visited
Cheyenne Mountain.
1359
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,050
And yet he claims that
there is an elevator
1360
01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,680
that goes down 2,500 feet.
1361
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,470
There is no such elevator.
1362
01:17:59,470 --> 01:18:01,630
He claims to have visited former
1363
01:18:01,630 --> 01:18:04,720
Project Blue Book office at Dayton, Ohio.
1364
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,430
There is today, no such office.
1365
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:10,630
His book is just riddled
with errors of fact
1366
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:11,800
that could be checked.
1367
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,100
- Okay, you say what, Howard?
1368
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,050
- That's part of Mr. Klass'
distraction technique.
1369
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:17,190
I mean, the real issue is
whether or not he's fat or thin.
1370
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:20,200
I'm talking about when
he was thin or thinner
1371
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,870
was about 15 years ago, when
I made that reference in my-
1372
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:25,690
- About 40 years ago.
- I make that reference
1373
01:18:25,690 --> 01:18:28,450
in my book but that's not the real issue.
1374
01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:30,530
The real issue is basically
not whether or not
1375
01:18:30,530 --> 01:18:32,220
elevators go up or down.
1376
01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:34,870
The real issue is what
is the government doing?
1377
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:36,400
What is the government
spending with money?
1378
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,630
If one wants to do quibble about facts,
1379
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:40,740
Mr. Klass has made a career of this.
1380
01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:43,080
I mean, having him review my book
1381
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,920
sort of is having like, an
Iranian Minister of Culture
1382
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,590
review Salman Rushdie's book.
- Oh come on!
1383
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:50,400
Come on, come on!
- Your mind is made up.
1384
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,620
And you can pursue all this.
1385
01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:53,990
- Now, I'm a nuclear physicist.
1386
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:57,170
I want the facts, that's
what I want is evidence.
1387
01:18:57,170 --> 01:18:59,770
And I also say sometimes you have to keep
1388
01:19:00,710 --> 01:19:02,660
a gray basket, I call it.
1389
01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:04,280
Not black, not white, maybe.
1390
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,020
People want a yes-or-no
answer to everything.
1391
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:09,950
Well, sometimes you have to
say, I don't have enough data.
1392
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:11,720
Who knows? Things are complicated.
1393
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,070
UFO's aren't simple things.
1394
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:15,760
I mean, ask me about Roswell.
1395
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,250
I've been working on Rosalind since 1978.
1396
01:19:18,250 --> 01:19:21,010
That's a long time!
1397
01:19:21,010 --> 01:19:23,950
And I've heard a lot of
stupid anti-Roswell arguments,
1398
01:19:23,950 --> 01:19:25,680
but that's beside the point.
1399
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,410
But almost entirely from people
who don't do their homework.
1400
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:34,640
And as a matter of fact,
1401
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,240
a key point in many of my lectures
1402
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,240
is that I talk about five
large-scale scientific studies.
1403
01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:47,920
And after each one I ask: how
many people have read this?
1404
01:19:49,140 --> 01:19:52,050
I'm lucky if it's 2% of any of 'em.
1405
01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:57,050
- Well, what was recovered was
a radar target, ballon-borne.
1406
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,790
- That is the cover
story that was put out.
1407
01:19:59,790 --> 01:20:02,200
We know it was a cover
story based on the testimony
1408
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,050
of the people who put out the cover story.
1409
01:20:04,050 --> 01:20:06,890
General Thomas Dubois
was the Chief of Staff
1410
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:09,720
of Eighth Air Force at
Fort Worth Army Airfield,
1411
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,280
General Ramey's Chief of Staff.
1412
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,670
General Dubois told us
that the balloon story
1413
01:20:13,670 --> 01:20:15,710
that Phil insists upon talking about
1414
01:20:15,710 --> 01:20:17,990
was a cover story put
out by the government,
1415
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:20,430
simply to get the
reporters off their back.
1416
01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:23,100
- Phillip, are you a
debunker of all UFO stories?
1417
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,130
Is that your purpose?
1418
01:20:24,130 --> 01:20:26,270
- I look for explanations.
1419
01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:28,070
- Phillip J. Klass spent all
1420
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:30,890
of his press appearances
attempting to debunk
1421
01:20:30,890 --> 01:20:33,940
the credibility of UFOs and the evidence
1422
01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:36,700
discussed over the years of ET visitation.
1423
01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:41,670
- Typical of the debunkers,
1424
01:20:42,710 --> 01:20:45,220
you know, why don't they ever land?
1425
01:20:45,220 --> 01:20:46,190
They land all the time.
1426
01:20:46,190 --> 01:20:47,310
Ted Phillips in Missouri
1427
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,480
has looked at thousands
of physical trace cases,
1428
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:54,460
from 80 countries, I mean, you know.
1429
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:56,190
These cases are all over the place.
1430
01:20:56,190 --> 01:20:58,870
But when a debunker says,
"Why don't they land?"
1431
01:20:58,870 --> 01:21:01,630
It means he hasn't studied the data.
1432
01:21:01,630 --> 01:21:04,690
- Recently, the Department
of Defense disclosed
1433
01:21:04,690 --> 01:21:08,930
that they once ran a
$22-million research program
1434
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:11,830
that tried to figure out
the nature of these objects
1435
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:14,830
that were buzzing around our planet.
1436
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:17,540
This program was called AATIP,
1437
01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:22,190
or Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program.
1438
01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:25,060
Today, the U.S. government has alluded
1439
01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:27,750
to funding a new research program.
1440
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:29,960
Only this time, instead of referring
1441
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,880
to the phenomena as UFOs,
the new term is UAP,
1442
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,360
or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
1443
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,360
- I have taken on debunkers.
1444
01:21:41,690 --> 01:21:44,010
And it's a sad story.
1445
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,160
When you realize that they
haven't done their homework,
1446
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,300
they've been very
selective, it's propaganda.
1447
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,060
You know, propagandists have
been around a long time.
1448
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:56,140
- If they are extra
terrestrials, why hide it?
1449
01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:56,970
- Yeah. Right?
1450
01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:58,080
That's what I say, why hide it?
1451
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,130
Look, this would be the greatest discovery
1452
01:22:00,130 --> 01:22:01,030
in the history of science.
1453
01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:02,640
NASA would be elated,
of course they could go
1454
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:03,890
to Congress and get more funding.
1455
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:05,080
Why would anybody cover this up?
1456
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:06,810
And look what happens when they make
1457
01:22:06,810 --> 01:22:08,450
even the smallest discoveries.
1458
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:09,650
Of course, we hear all about it.
1459
01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:10,480
- James?
1460
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,310
- I have a question to ask you.
1461
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,230
- Yes.
- If UFOs,
1462
01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:14,810
and I'm speaking hypothetically
for a moment here,
1463
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:17,750
if UFOs are real, it would
be one of the greatest
1464
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:19,140
discoveries of our time,
do you agree with that?
1465
01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:19,970
- Of course.
1466
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:22,970
- Now, if UFOs, when I use the word if,
1467
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:24,350
were buzzing around in our airspace,
1468
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:27,030
who would be best
equipped to know about it?
1469
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:29,030
- Well, our government perhaps.
1470
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:30,260
- Military?
- Maybe.
1471
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:31,090
- So, we've got-
- But maybe not.
1472
01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:32,250
- The highest-ranking military officials
1473
01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:33,550
in the world telling us right now
1474
01:22:33,550 --> 01:22:34,710
that these things are real.
1475
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:36,380
We've got generals, we've got admirals,
1476
01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:39,540
we've got colonels, we've
got Presidents, Governors.
1477
01:22:39,540 --> 01:22:42,220
If we can't believe
them, who can we believe?
1478
01:22:42,220 --> 01:22:43,050
- A lack of evidence-
1479
01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:44,290
- I'm sorry, if we can't believe them,
1480
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:45,390
who can we believe?
1481
01:22:45,390 --> 01:22:47,120
- Physical trace cases-
- I wouldn't necessarily-
1482
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,490
- Listen, guys, guys, wait.
1483
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:52,170
- Evidence, you don't talk about evidence.
1484
01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,490
- This is simply a lack of evidence.
1485
01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:56,530
So when I say, "Where is the spacecraft?"
1486
01:22:56,530 --> 01:22:58,020
You say, "They hid it."
1487
01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:59,530
Where's the documentation?
1488
01:22:59,530 --> 01:23:00,590
They covered it up.
1489
01:23:00,590 --> 01:23:02,590
This is like the weapons
of mass destruction thing.
1490
01:23:02,590 --> 01:23:03,630
Where's the evidence?
1491
01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:06,370
The fact that we can't find
any, means that they're there.
1492
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:10,530
- As we continue into modern
space exploration,
1493
01:23:10,530 --> 01:23:13,820
NASA became more sophisticated
in their approach
1494
01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:18,310
at hiding what they were
recording above and beyond.
1495
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,390
- Houston, this is Discovery.
1496
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:23,460
We still have an alien
spacecraft under observance.
1497
01:23:23,460 --> 01:23:27,320
- Do we have an unidentified flying object?
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