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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:06,520 - Okay, all flight controllers, 2 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:07,940 go/no-go for landing: Retro? - Go. 3 00:00:07,950 --> 00:00:08,780 - Vital? - Go. 4 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:09,610 - Guidance. - Go. 5 00:00:09,610 --> 00:00:10,440 - Control? - Go. 6 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:11,280 - Tel-Comm? - Go. 7 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,110 - GNC? - Go. 8 00:00:12,110 --> 00:00:12,940 - HE-Comm? - Go. 9 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:13,780 - Surgeon? - Go. 10 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:14,680 - CapCom, we're go for landing. 11 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,360 - With the Westall incident, 12 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,380 just tell us about what happened 13 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:27,180 and why it's important to the world. 14 00:00:28,410 --> 00:00:31,520 - The Westall incident is an absolutely fascinating 15 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,750 flying-saucer incident. 16 00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:36,690 It's probably the largest mass-witness 17 00:00:36,690 --> 00:00:40,700 skyline sighting of a flying saucer, 18 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:44,220 certainly in Australia, and probably in the world. 19 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:47,360 On the 6th of April in 1966 20 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,080 in a place called Westall 21 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,830 in the Southeastern suburbs of Melbourne, 22 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:54,020 Australia's second-largest city, 23 00:00:55,370 --> 00:00:58,100 at around 10:15 in the morning 24 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:01,150 some students who were out on the playing field 25 00:01:01,150 --> 00:01:04,920 at Westall High School noticed just out of the blue 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,870 this flying-saucer-type object 27 00:01:07,870 --> 00:01:10,460 appeared above them in the sky. 28 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:14,470 And within several minutes, a huge number of the students 29 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:17,270 at both Westall High School and the neighboring 30 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:20,120 primary school next door, Westall State School, 31 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,470 witnessed this flying-saucer-shaped object. 32 00:01:23,470 --> 00:01:25,560 Some people say it was one. 33 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,870 Quite a few witnesses remember seeing 34 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:30,280 more than one, two or three 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,880 flying low in the sky above two Westall schools. 36 00:01:34,890 --> 00:01:38,570 And then the students, once as the flying saucer 37 00:01:38,570 --> 00:01:41,630 flew several hundred meters to the south of the school 38 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:44,960 and disappeared behind a grove of pine trees. 39 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,520 Because so many of the students saw the flying saucer 40 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,950 going into the direction of this place called The Grange. 41 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:55,350 And so many of the students knew The Grange so well 42 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:58,180 because it was an area very close to their school, 43 00:01:58,180 --> 00:02:01,680 they did what they knew was very much 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,210 against the school rules: jumped the school boundary fence, 45 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:10,820 raced over the road, and chased after the flying saucer. 46 00:02:10,820 --> 00:02:13,850 A small number of the students were lucky enough 47 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:16,900 to arrive in time to see the flying saucer 48 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:20,630 still on the ground or at least very close to the ground. 49 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:23,200 And they watched it as it lifted up, 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,600 tilted onto its side, and then flew off 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,260 at an incredible speed. 52 00:02:29,260 --> 00:02:32,180 - Are any of those students alive today? 53 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:33,490 - Nearly all of those students 54 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:36,510 are still with us, still alive today. 55 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:40,280 I've been in touch with almost 100 witnesses 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,420 who remember seeing the flying saucer themselves. 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,420 About 150 students who remember seeing 58 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:52,390 the circles left behind in the grass paddock 59 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:54,770 where the flying saucer came down. 60 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:57,660 And something like 60 students who were lucky enough 61 00:02:57,660 --> 00:02:59,940 to have seen both of those things. 62 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:06,020 - In the history of this event 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,740 there was one individual, quite prolific, 64 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:14,420 Mr. Andrew, the science teacher. 65 00:03:14,420 --> 00:03:16,500 Can you tell us a little bit about his involvement? 66 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,730 And how it may have affected his life? 67 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:22,560 - Sure, well, Mr. Andrew Greenwood 68 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,230 was one of the two science teachers 69 00:03:24,230 --> 00:03:25,240 at the school at the time. 70 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,120 There was a male teacher and a female teacher. 71 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,970 Andrew Greenwood was teaching science to a class 72 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:33,740 at the time when the flying saucer appeared. 73 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:37,040 And a student rushed into his class from outside, 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,280 a girl who had been doing physical education at the time, 75 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,440 yelling out, "There's a flying saucer outside! 76 00:03:42,450 --> 00:03:43,870 "A flying saucer outside!" 77 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:46,860 After a few minutes, Andrew gathered his class together 78 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:49,070 and went out to investigate himself. 79 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:52,000 And sure enough, getting out onto the playing field 80 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,780 he saw a flying saucer for himself, 81 00:03:54,780 --> 00:03:57,790 as did the students who were in his science class. 82 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:02,220 Andrew was very much affected by what he had seen. 83 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:03,970 He could clearly see what it was 84 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:06,580 that the students saw as well. 85 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:10,440 And about a week or two later, 86 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,970 there was a knock at his door at his home. 87 00:04:12,970 --> 00:04:16,140 And he opened the door to see two uniformed 88 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:19,650 Royal Australian Air Force officers on his doorstep. 89 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:21,360 He thought, okay, they're coming around 90 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,460 to talk to me about what I've seen, 91 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:26,880 to take down more details about what I'd seen. 92 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,430 But in fact, they'd come around to do the very opposite. 93 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:34,090 They came around to say, "Andrew, there are no such things 94 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:37,820 "as flying saucers, and we don't want you talking again 95 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:39,230 "about what you say you saw. 96 00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:43,480 "In fact, if you talk again to the media," 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,210 at that point in time he had spoken to the local newspaper, 98 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:48,660 and his accounts and his photograph 99 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:50,430 had appeared in the newspaper, 100 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,060 "If you talk again about what you have seen, 101 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:55,730 "we will make sure that you don't teach again 102 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:56,570 "in this state." 103 00:04:56,570 --> 00:04:59,000 They were coming around to threaten him, 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,370 to put the hard word on him. 105 00:05:01,370 --> 00:05:04,320 Now, obviously he was very shaken by this. 106 00:05:04,330 --> 00:05:06,840 And he remembers thinking at the time, 107 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,510 if there are no such things as flying saucers, 108 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:13,460 why are you two Air Force officers so keen 109 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:17,360 for me to not say that I've seen one? 110 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,850 Why are you two people so keen for me 111 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:21,900 not to talk about what I have seen? 112 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:32,850 - Historically, if you mentioned the term UFO, 113 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:35,680 you might've been mocked or ridiculed. 114 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,820 But by the year 2020, UFO sightings have been reported 115 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:42,560 by tens of thousands of citizens 116 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,850 and by dozens of high-ranking NASA, 117 00:05:45,850 --> 00:05:49,160 military, and other government officials. 118 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,730 And while the scientific consensus might be 119 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:54,610 that we will one day find intelligent life 120 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:56,690 elsewhere in the universe, 121 00:05:56,690 --> 00:06:01,240 lots of evidence suggests that it has already found us. 122 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:05,230 Surprisingly, the majority of UFO sightings 123 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:08,290 have taken place under the Earth's atmosphere 124 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:10,880 closer to land than space. 125 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,710 - Before the first atom bomb went off, 126 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,340 we were using 5% of all the electricity 127 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:21,610 in the United States, this is during the war mind you, 128 00:06:21,610 --> 00:06:23,360 where electricity was at a premium 129 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,740 because you were manufacturing guns, bullets, everything. 130 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:31,150 5% of all electrical power in the United States 131 00:06:31,150 --> 00:06:35,630 was being used to separate uranium isotopes in secret. 132 00:06:35,630 --> 00:06:38,740 In secret, for people to say they can't keep secrets. 133 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:40,860 - Unidentified flying objects 134 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:45,120 most famously made their media debut in the late 1940s 135 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,570 when atomic bombs were used for the first time. 136 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:52,670 At that time, UFO's were known as flying saucers. 137 00:06:52,670 --> 00:06:55,830 And while some took the phenomenon seriously, 138 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:58,720 the media and general public opinion 139 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,990 sort of went both ways with it. 140 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:05,700 - I explain them as hoaxes, 141 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,720 as erroneously identified and friendly aircraft 142 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,890 or as light aberrations. 143 00:07:10,890 --> 00:07:13,160 However, there have been a certain percentage 144 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,040 of this volume of reports that have been made 145 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,040 by credible observers, of relatively incredible things. 146 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:27,320 - In 1952 Eisenhower signed Executive Order 10501 147 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,980 that legally allows any research, military, 148 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:34,120 or government agency to safeguard sensitive information 149 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,090 from the public if that information may be seen 150 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:41,830 as a threat of geopolitical or geo-economic nature. 151 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:46,560 But in the year 1960, NASA and the Brookings Institution 152 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,920 commissioned a report titled, "The Proposed Studies 153 00:07:49,930 --> 00:07:53,280 "on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities 154 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:54,710 "for Human Affairs." 155 00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:57,620 The report is most famous for a section titled: 156 00:07:57,620 --> 00:08:01,630 The Implications of a Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life. 157 00:08:01,630 --> 00:08:03,530 This section examines the potential 158 00:08:03,530 --> 00:08:06,030 implications of such a discovery. 159 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:09,010 Most notably, the idea that such information 160 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:10,760 should be withheld from the public. 161 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,550 This was submitted to the House of Representatives 162 00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:15,520 in April of 1961. 163 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,490 If something can disturb the peace or scare the public, 164 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:22,410 it could easily be deemed worthy of a coverup 165 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:25,260 under the guise of national security. 166 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:27,810 This is why secret space theorists believe 167 00:08:27,810 --> 00:08:32,180 the U.S. government has been so tight-lipped about UFOs 168 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:34,930 and what we've really found in outer space. 169 00:08:34,930 --> 00:08:36,640 This full report is now part 170 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,740 of the United States Congressional Record. 171 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:41,340 - To our security. 172 00:08:42,210 --> 00:08:46,390 A challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways 173 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:48,090 in every sphere of human activity. 174 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:53,260 This deadly challenge imposes upon our society 175 00:08:53,270 --> 00:08:56,230 two requirements of direct concern, 176 00:08:56,230 --> 00:08:58,930 both to the press and to the President. 177 00:08:58,930 --> 00:09:02,950 Two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, 178 00:09:02,950 --> 00:09:05,140 but which must be reconciled and fulfilled 179 00:09:06,270 --> 00:09:08,330 if we ought to meet this national peril. 180 00:09:09,270 --> 00:09:11,550 I refer first to the need 181 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:14,020 for far greater public information. 182 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:17,700 And second for the need for far greater official secrecy. 183 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:21,230 The very word secrecy is repugnant 184 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:23,810 in a free and open society. 185 00:09:23,810 --> 00:09:28,050 And we are as a people inherently and historically 186 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:31,740 opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, 187 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:33,820 and to secret proceedings. 188 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:36,760 We decided long ago that the dangers 189 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,540 of excessive and unwarranted concealment 190 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:42,900 of pertinent facts, far outweigh the dangers 191 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:45,770 which are cited to justify it. 192 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:47,800 - The term secret space 193 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,680 refers to a conspiracy theory revolving around 194 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,210 mysterious anomalies in outer space. 195 00:09:54,190 --> 00:09:56,920 Unidentified and scrutinized by civilians 196 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,360 and space research agencies, 197 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,790 these anomalies have been seen 198 00:10:00,790 --> 00:10:03,020 around the vicinity of our planet 199 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:05,660 and throughout our solar system. 200 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:08,420 These include outer space UFOs, 201 00:10:08,420 --> 00:10:11,060 unidentified lunar objects, 202 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:13,620 and unidentified Martian objects. 203 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:21,660 The term secret space also refers 204 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:24,460 to a possible space research program 205 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:25,910 that is not being disclosed 206 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:27,660 to the public and mainstream media. 207 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,480 - Are you working on anything top secret 208 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,930 that we can't know about yet? 209 00:10:40,690 --> 00:10:41,750 - That's a good question. 210 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:43,100 A lot of people think that, but no, 211 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:45,920 everything, all these investigations and experiments 212 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,510 we're working on that Peggy was talking about earlier, 213 00:10:48,510 --> 00:10:50,240 the scientists get all the data. 214 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,270 We're not keeping anything from them or from anybody else. 215 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,470 There was a day where there were some 216 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:57,750 somewhat secret missions back in the early days 217 00:10:57,750 --> 00:10:59,750 of the space program, but not anymore. 218 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:00,830 We like to share our data 219 00:11:00,830 --> 00:11:02,780 so that everybody on Earth can benefit. 220 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:06,630 - This secret research program 221 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:09,490 is allegedly being conducted by space agencies 222 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:12,240 and military black-budget programs. 223 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,220 The theory that such things are going on 224 00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:17,890 is as old as space travel itself. 225 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:19,130 - Control. - Go. 226 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:19,960 - TEL-Comm. - Go. 227 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,790 - GNC. - Go. 228 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:21,630 - HE-Comm. - Go. 229 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:22,810 - Surgeon. - Go. 230 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:44,230 - During the space race of the 1960s and '70s, 231 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:47,090 the United States was racing to the finish line 232 00:11:47,090 --> 00:11:49,270 to become the most technologically advanced 233 00:11:49,270 --> 00:11:52,840 capitalist society by landing on the Moon 234 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,670 and sending probes to Mars. 235 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:58,260 The U.S. and the USSR were both 236 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:02,010 launching impressive space exploration endeavors 237 00:12:02,010 --> 00:12:06,430 that led to some of the most amazing feats in human history. 238 00:12:06,430 --> 00:12:09,500 Landing a man on the Moon, sending satellites 239 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:13,380 to take the world's first close-up photographs of Mars. 240 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:15,180 This was the ultimate statement 241 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:18,110 of scientific and economic prosperity. 242 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:22,620 - There is no strife, no prejudice, 243 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:26,600 no national conflict in outer space as yet. 244 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,560 Its hazards are hostile to us all. 245 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:33,770 Its conquest deserves the best of all Mankind. 246 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:36,980 And its opportunity for peaceful cooperation 247 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:38,250 may never come again. 248 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:42,040 But why, some say, the Moon? 249 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Why choose this as our goal? 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,600 And they may well ask, why climb the highest mountain? 251 00:12:49,460 --> 00:12:53,390 Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? 252 00:12:53,390 --> 00:12:55,550 Why does Rice play Texas? 253 00:12:55,550 --> 00:12:58,320 We choose to go to the Moon! 254 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,590 We choose to go to the Moon. 255 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:09,160 We choose to go to the Moon in this decade 256 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,760 and do the other things. 257 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,770 Not because they are easy, but because they are hard. 258 00:13:14,770 --> 00:13:18,970 Because that goal will serve to organize and measure 259 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:22,230 the best of our energies and skills. 260 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:26,230 Because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept. 261 00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:28,960 One we are unwilling to postpone. 262 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,790 And one we intend to win, and the others too. 263 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,740 - But while this went on, 264 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:41,440 strange things were reported by astronauts 265 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,890 and cosmonauts caught in the middle of this race. 266 00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:57,430 In order to understand, 267 00:13:59,190 --> 00:14:01,530 one must start at the beginning 268 00:14:01,530 --> 00:14:03,730 of Mankind's ventures into space. 269 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:54,530 - Three, two, one, 270 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:56,680 zero, ignition. 271 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,950 And we have a lift off. 272 00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:04,960 - Space is being explored for the benefit of mankind. 273 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:09,430 - In May of 1963, 274 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:12,630 U.S. astronaut Gordon Cooper made 22 flights 275 00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:15,750 around the earth on the Mercury IX spacecraft. 276 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:17,330 Flying over Australia, 277 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:22,460 over the city of Perth, he reported that a greenish object 278 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:26,650 with a red tail was approaching him along the way. 279 00:18:26,650 --> 00:18:28,780 - I think they were extraterrestrial pilots flying. 280 00:18:28,780 --> 00:18:29,780 No doubt about it. 281 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Well, that was, I was having some, 282 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,190 the cameraman found the installation 283 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,380 of a precision-landing facility we were putting in 284 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,220 right on the edge of a dry lake. 285 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:44,960 And they saw us, we flew right over 'em, 286 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,630 and put down three little gear and landed 287 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:49,140 out on the dry lake bed. 288 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,870 And they went out there 289 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:54,950 and picked up their cameras 290 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:56,930 and moved on out toward him filming. 291 00:18:58,590 --> 00:19:01,440 And he lifted off, put the gear back in the well, 292 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,130 climbed out at a very high rate of speed and disappeared. 293 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,090 And so, while I was going through all the regulation books 294 00:19:10,090 --> 00:19:11,620 and finding out the number to call 295 00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:13,160 in Washington to report it, 296 00:19:15,090 --> 00:19:16,890 I had him go and developed the film. 297 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:20,460 By the time he got back with the developed film, 298 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:22,770 I was on the higher and higher and higher 299 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:26,880 level of officer talking to me. 300 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,860 Well anyway, the Colonel telling me to, 301 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,660 you know, when the film arrived at my desk 302 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:34,570 to put it in a courier pouch. 303 00:19:34,570 --> 00:19:36,490 There would be a courier there at my office 304 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:37,760 by that time already. 305 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,750 And they'd arranged for him to fly in our base airplane 306 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:44,040 back to Washington with these films. 307 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,620 - June 3rd, 1965 308 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:51,920 Gemini IV made its first manned flight, 309 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,820 and pilot James McDivitt claimed 310 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:55,500 he saw something very unusual. 311 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,340 The Air Force claimed that what McDivitt saw 312 00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:47,060 was actually the Pegasus II satellite. 313 00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:50,410 - General McDivitt, have you ever seen a UFO? 314 00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:55,820 - Yes, during my flight on Gemini IV in 1965 315 00:21:55,820 --> 00:22:00,070 I saw an object in space fairly close to our spacecraft 316 00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:01,630 that I could not identify. 317 00:22:01,630 --> 00:22:03,440 It looked to me like maybe 318 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,660 the upper stage of another rocket. 319 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:07,140 I tried to take some pictures of it, 320 00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:10,760 but unfortunately the pictures did not come out properly. 321 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,090 We never were able to identify what it was 322 00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:15,440 and all of our ground radar tracking data 323 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,850 indicated that there shouldn't have been 324 00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:19,370 another object anywhere near us at the time. 325 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:20,490 - Gemini VII here. 326 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:21,510 Houston, how do you read? 327 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:24,330 - Loud and clear, VII, go ahead. 328 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:28,500 - We have a bogey at 10 o'clock high. 329 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,740 - This is Houston. 330 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:31,150 Say again, VII. 331 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,950 - I said we have a bogey at 10 o'clock high. 332 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:37,100 - Roger. 333 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,230 - Gemini Control here, Captain. 334 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:42,190 The reference to that conversation 335 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,530 about the bogey. 336 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:46,940 A sighting was reported. 337 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:48,610 Sighting, the bogey. 338 00:22:55,630 --> 00:23:00,150 - Also in 1965, the ZOND 3 space probe 339 00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:03,370 was part of Russia's Mars 3-MV project. 340 00:23:03,370 --> 00:23:05,320 This satellite took many photographs 341 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,910 from the far side of the Moon, 342 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:09,070 looking back in Earth's direction. 343 00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:12,350 In frame 25 we see in the photo 344 00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:15,210 what appears to be a mysterious tower 345 00:23:15,210 --> 00:23:17,890 on the horizon of the lunar landscape. 346 00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:19,980 At the time this photo was taken, 347 00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:22,380 the camera was 10,000 kilometers 348 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:24,000 from the surface of the Moon. 349 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,320 This allowed theorists to estimate the structure 350 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,290 would stand at least 3.5 miles high. 351 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,760 There have been reports 352 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,770 that smaller structures can also be seen nearby. 353 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:37,990 This tower has since been dubbed The Tower of Babel. 354 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:42,290 NASA has never had an official explanation for this object, 355 00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:44,290 nor have the Russians. 356 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:47,890 In the early 2000s, awhistleblower named Karl Wolfe 357 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:50,290 came out with a shocking story about something 358 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,460 that happened to him in the late sixties. 359 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:56,500 Wolfe claimed to have worked for the United States Air Force 360 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:58,750 as a photography technician. 361 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:00,850 - We also did gun camera 362 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,790 and reconnaissance film from C-130s, 363 00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:08,510 all sorts of aircraft that were going into 364 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:12,620 combat situations; we processed the film for that. 365 00:24:12,620 --> 00:24:13,620 It was 366 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:16,660 1965. 367 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,410 My boss came to me, I was working in a color lab 368 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:23,850 at that time, I was a technician, photographic technician 369 00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:26,540 with a background in electronics. 370 00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:29,220 I've been trained in electronic photographic repair. 371 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:31,260 At any rate, I was in a color lab one day 372 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:36,260 when my boss, Staff Sergeant Taylor came over to me 373 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:40,250 and said that they were having a problem with some equipment 374 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:45,010 on the base, and it was the first Lunar Orbiter program, 375 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:47,030 where they had a mission to 376 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:51,570 pretty much locate the first landing sites 377 00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:57,510 for the 1969 lunar mission for the astronauts. 378 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:59,060 So, at any rate, he said they were having 379 00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:00,730 some problem with the equipment over there. 380 00:25:00,730 --> 00:25:02,380 It was a similar equipment that we had. 381 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:05,830 It was computerized content printing equipment. 382 00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:07,170 And he wanted to know if I would go over 383 00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:08,020 and take a look at it. 384 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:11,290 And he said to me, "It's an NSA facility." 385 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:14,230 And at the time I didn't know what NSA was. 386 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:17,050 I was pretty naive and I thought he said NASA. 387 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:21,010 So, in my mind, for a long time I thought it was 388 00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:23,130 a NASA facility that I'd gone to. 389 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:24,980 But I remembered him saying NSA 390 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:28,400 and converting it in my own mind to NASA. 391 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,420 - And for viewers, the NSA is? 392 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:32,900 - It's the National Security Agency. 393 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,880 - How did you get to be in a position 394 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240 where you actually were to deal with the material 395 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,620 we are about to discuss? 396 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,600 - I was asked to go over to this facility 397 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,650 on Langley Air Force Base, where the NSA was 398 00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:49,330 bringing in the information from the Lunar Orbiter. 399 00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:53,470 And so I packed up some tools, I went over. 400 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:55,990 So, they took me into this laboratory. 401 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:57,280 I took a look at the equipment. 402 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,180 There was an Airman Second Class in there. 403 00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:01,720 I was an Airman Second Class as well. 404 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,610 He turned the equipment on 405 00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:05,240 and put it through its paces. 406 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,990 It didn't do what it was supposed to do. 407 00:26:06,990 --> 00:26:09,250 I saw what was going on with it. 408 00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:12,260 I said, "I need to do some troubleshooting on it." 409 00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:14,430 It had little printed circuit boards in it 410 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:15,560 with discrete components. 411 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,250 At that time, it was before we had integrated circuits. 412 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:20,250 So, while I'm in there, I said to him 413 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:22,320 that I'm really fascinated with this process. 414 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,440 How did they get the images from the Lunar Orbiter 415 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,750 to the laboratory here? 416 00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:30,200 And he went through the whole process, 417 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,880 describing how the various radio telescopes 418 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,710 around the world were linked, 419 00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:38,020 and they telemetered the data into Langley Field. 420 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:42,560 And at the time, I didn't know what the real purpose 421 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,800 of this dark room and this operation in this facility was. 422 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,240 I thought this was where they were bringing the data in 423 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,410 and then releasing the images to the public. 424 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:54,560 I had no idea that there were other issues involved 425 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,590 in this facility. 426 00:26:56,590 --> 00:27:00,260 So, he starts telling me all of this information. 427 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:04,320 And I knew that what we were doing was classified anyway 428 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,460 and that he could only share a certain level 429 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,980 of what he was doing with me 430 00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:13,770 because of the compartmentalize nature of our jobs. 431 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:14,770 At any rate, 432 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,900 you know, he told me how everything worked. 433 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,000 He showed me the equipment where 434 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,110 the digital information came in, 435 00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:24,790 where it was converted to photographic images. 436 00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:28,230 They were doing 35-millimeter strips of film at that time, 437 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:29,270 which were then assembled 438 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:33,890 into 18 and 1/2 by 11-inch mosaics they were called. 439 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,100 There was a digital signature and a gray scale 440 00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,370 on every 35-millimeter strip. 441 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:41,890 And those strips were from successive passes 442 00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:44,540 around the Moon, and they would take 443 00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:45,960 and build up a photograph. 444 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,090 They would scan one section of Moon then another 445 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:50,880 and another, and then they would get a larger image. 446 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,480 So, this mosaic then would be put in that contact printer. 447 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,460 And that was then a print that was issued to whomever: 448 00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:00,550 the press, the scientist, whatever, 449 00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:02,540 wherever that was intended to go. 450 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:04,450 So, he was showing me how all of this worked. 451 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:08,170 And we walked over to one side of the lab and he said, 452 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,480 "By the way, we've discovered a base 453 00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:12,150 "on the backside of the Moon." 454 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,470 And I said, "Who's?" 469 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,130 "What do you mean, who's?" 455 00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:18,460 He said, "Yes, we've discovered a base 456 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:19,710 "on the back side of the Moon." 457 00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:23,250 And at that point I become became frightened. 458 00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:25,360 And I was a little terrified 459 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,320 thinking to myself that if anybody walks in the room now, 460 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,750 I know we're in jeopardy, we're in trouble 461 00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:33,800 because he shouldn't be giving this information. 462 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,690 I was fascinated by it, but I also knew 463 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:37,520 that he was overstepping a boundary 464 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,910 that he shouldn't be stepping over. 465 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:42,760 And then he pulled out one of these mosaics 466 00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:46,860 and showed this base, which had geometric shapes. 467 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:51,570 There were towers, there were spherical buildings. 468 00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:54,690 There were very tall towers and things that looked 469 00:28:54,690 --> 00:28:58,540 somewhat like radar dishes, but they were large structures. 470 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:02,290 So, it was rare that someone would do something like this, 471 00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:04,110 but this fellow and I were the same rank. 472 00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:07,450 I think he was very distressed. 473 00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:09,640 He had the same pallor and demeanor 474 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,190 as the scientists outside of the room. 475 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:13,670 They were just as concerned as he was. 476 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:17,260 And he needed to discuss it with somebody. 477 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:19,830 So, that was the end of it right there. 478 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:21,980 I didn't take it any further than that. 479 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,900 You know, I just filed it away. 480 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,780 But the interesting thing, every day that I went home, 481 00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:30,610 I would think to myself, 482 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:32,970 I can't wait to hear about this on the news. 483 00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:34,180 You know? 484 00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:36,080 And you know, so, I'd turn on the TV 485 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,950 and I'd look at the news to see if they're gonna announce 486 00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:41,700 we've discovered a base on the backside of the Moon. 487 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,260 Being really naive, you know? 503 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,890 And of course here it is 30-some years later 488 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:49,180 and we still haven't heard about it. 489 00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:53,240 - Another now famous unidentified lunar object 490 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,960 was spotted by the Lunar Orbiter III in February of 1967. 491 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,620 A total of 149 medium-resolution 492 00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:05,910 and 477 high-resolution frames 493 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,420 were returned from this mission. 494 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:10,420 And in one composite image, 495 00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:13,170 an object known as The Shard can be seen. 496 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:17,380 This object is supposedly located between the Bruce Crater 497 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:21,080 and the Sinus Medii Mare Plain area of the Moon. 498 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520 NASA has never acknowledged this anomaly, 499 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,780 but www.livescience.com purports 500 00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:27,700 that The Shard image was doctored 501 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,710 by popular secret space theorist Richard Hoagland. 502 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:32,490 However, amateur astronomers 503 00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:34,830 have found The Shard themselves, 504 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:38,480 suggesting it actually exists in the images. 505 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,620 When looked at from another angle, 506 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,500 a similar-sized shadow can be seen from the object. 507 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,080 - So, where did I find the shot? 508 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,830 Well, I found it at the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter images 509 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,280 on the L-R-O-C browser, 510 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,750 and this is the area we're gonna focus on. 511 00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:58,050 It's not round, it's cube, cubic. 512 00:30:58,050 --> 00:30:59,600 And here we see the shadow again. 513 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,060 - The Apollo cover story 514 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:03,860 was specifically designed to allow those missions 515 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:06,000 to be conducted in the public eye 516 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,420 while at the same time actively concealing the fact 517 00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:12,120 that evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life 518 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,370 had been discovered in space and on the Moon. 519 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:18,700 The scripting protocols followed during the Apollo program 520 00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,970 were for the most part highly effective 521 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:23,510 at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge 522 00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:26,200 any sensitive information while they communicated 523 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,730 over the public radio channel with Houston. 524 00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:31,700 However, when the astronauts were not in radio contact 525 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,390 with Mission Control- 526 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,850 - Take on to Bravo, Johnny. 527 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:37,860 - Roger. 528 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,780 - There we go. 529 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:45,880 - Well, let's see. 530 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,430 We've had visitors again. 531 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:48,760 - Yeah. 532 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,820 Hardly worth mentioning. 533 00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:52,490 - Agreed. 534 00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:57,410 - These comments were captured 535 00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:00,830 by a device mounted inside the Apollo CSM 536 00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:04,190 that was known as the Data Storage Equipment recorder. 537 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:06,730 - It's a very fantastic view 538 00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:10,080 to see the terminator as you look along the edge of it. 539 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,680 I think you would agree that some of these craters 540 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,740 that you're seeing in the picture now 541 00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:18,310 are really accentuated by the lengthening 542 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:20,950 of the shadows as we approach the terminator. 543 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,180 - They're very beautiful. 544 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:24,070 - In addition to recording a variety 545 00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:28,790 of spacecraft parameters, the DSE's 14-track tape 546 00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:32,420 also recorded many internal crew conversations 547 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:33,990 that took place when the astronauts 548 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:36,820 were not communicating with mission control. 549 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:40,440 Unfortunately, NASA claims that the original 550 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,250 Apollo DSE black box tapes are missing 551 00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,530 and presumed lost or destroyed. 552 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,780 The DSE recordings were transcribed, however, 553 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:52,930 and although they were originally classified, 554 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,550 those transcripts can today be found in the NASA archives. 555 00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:59,740 Listen as Jack Schmitt, the only ASTRO geologist 556 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,440 to go to the Moon makes a less-than-cryptic joke 557 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,530 to Houston regarding the boulders on the Moon 558 00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:08,210 he has just been told to keep an eye out for. 559 00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:10,220 - We're almost to that rise. 560 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:11,760 - You ought to be in the vicinity 561 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,010 of some very large boulders. 562 00:33:13,010 --> 00:33:15,760 - Houston, there's a... 563 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,850 There certainly are a lot of big boulders, wink. 564 00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:53,780 - Hey, I just saw a flash on the lunar surface. 565 00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:56,730 - Oh yeah? 566 00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:57,800 - They were just right out there 567 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,150 north of Grimaldi. 568 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,970 - December, 1968. 569 00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:04,470 Apollo VIII is the first human space flight 570 00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:05,780 to orbit the Moon. 571 00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:08,880 Astronaut James Lowell observed the dark side, 572 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,350 typically not visible from Earth. 573 00:34:11,350 --> 00:34:15,380 Some people think this is when Lowell saw something unusual. 574 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:18,470 Because he had this to say over the radio. 575 00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:19,810 - Hello, Apollo VIII. 576 00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:21,060 Loud and clear. 577 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:25,100 - Roger. 578 00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:27,710 Please be informed, there is a Santa Claus. 579 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:29,520 - Some people believe the mention 580 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,620 of Santa Claus was code for sightings of aliens or UFOs. 581 00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:38,000 A Canadian independent space researcher 582 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,770 named Cary Martynuik has assembled a high volume 583 00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:45,870 of credible secret space and UFO-related data 584 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:47,180 from the Apollo era. 585 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:50,700 - We're gonna help uncover some of that today. 586 00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:53,020 I've been researching this subject matter 587 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:54,890 for over a decade now. 588 00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:57,920 And whether it's photographic or video evidence 589 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,340 or transcript evidence. 590 00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:02,100 Today I wanted to give you a closer look 591 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,070 at a very brief segment of 16-millimeter 592 00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:07,120 DAC motion picture footage from the NASA archives 593 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,100 that was originally shot back in July of 1969 594 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,240 during the flight of Apollo 11. 595 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,610 And the footage was taken through 596 00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:15,700 one of the windows of the command service module 597 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,060 during what was called the Trans-Lunar coast, 598 00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:20,280 or TLC Phase of the mission. 599 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,020 And this was the three-day period 600 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:23,770 when the astronauts were crossing 601 00:35:23,770 --> 00:35:26,550 the almost 400,000-kilometer Cis-Lunar void 602 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:28,230 that separates our Earth from the Moon. 603 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:30,890 And at some point during this outbound journey 604 00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:34,190 through Cis-Lunar space, one of the Apollo 11 astronauts 605 00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:35,770 did some unscheduled shooting 606 00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:38,540 with the 16-millimeter DAC motion picture camera. 607 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,250 And in the process managed to film 608 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:43,720 several unidentified objects outside their spacecraft. 609 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,370 And to show you what I mean, let's first just have a look 610 00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:48,780 at the raw segment of footage exactly as it's archived 611 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,270 and shown by NASA in their Apollo archives. 612 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:53,510 And I'll warn you, though, that this raw segment of footage 613 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:56,450 is very brief and the scene it shows is very unstable. 614 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:58,620 So, don't blink or you might miss it. 615 00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:59,620 Here's the clip. 616 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,780 While this particular clip has been digitally archived 617 00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,520 by NASA so that when played back, 618 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,240 it appears to be about one second in duration, 619 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,860 it is not actually showing us 620 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:11,470 a one-second period of time caught on film. 621 00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:13,350 This clip we're examining here is actually 622 00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:15,670 time-compressed stop-motion footage. 623 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:17,770 And in this case, the sequence is comprised 624 00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:21,570 of 11 individual distinct frames 16-millimeter film 625 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:24,620 that were originally exposed at one frame per second 626 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,510 intervals over a period of 11 seconds. 627 00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:29,840 And this type of stop-motion filming was possible 628 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,870 because the Maurer 16-millimeter DAC that was used 629 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:35,140 throughout the Apollo program was in fact 630 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:37,240 a variable-frame-rate motion picture camera 631 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,910 that was capable of shooting 632 00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:41,300 at four different preset exposure speeds. 633 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,770 Either one, six, 12, or 24 frames per second. 634 00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:46,630 And in the case of this footage, 635 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:48,690 rather than archiving it at the correct 636 00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:50,870 one-frame-per-second playback speed, 637 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:53,170 they instead incorrectly archive the sequence 638 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:56,390 as if it had been shot at 12 frames per second instead. 639 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:58,390 So, this means that NASA actually present 640 00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:59,750 this stop-motion sequence in such a way 641 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,060 that it is being shown at a playback rate 642 00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:03,750 that's 12 times faster than 643 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:06,170 what the frames were actually exposed at. 644 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,480 However, this segment of footage does provide us 645 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,550 with a known stationary object within the field of view. 646 00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:14,630 One of the RCS quad thrusters on the Lunar Module 647 00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:16,600 is visible outside the window 648 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,700 in all 11 frames of this sequence. 649 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,810 So, using that RCS quad thruster as our target object, 650 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:23,620 we can stabilize a short sequence 651 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,870 and effectively cancel out that camera shake. 652 00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:28,850 And in the now-stabilized version of the scene, 653 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:31,030 you see that the RCS quad thruster 654 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:33,640 has been specifically targeted so that it now remains 655 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,370 locked in place throughout the duration 656 00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:37,000 in the 11-frame sequence. 657 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,340 And with the shake removed, you can now see more clearly 658 00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:42,400 that the several unidentified objects 659 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,030 are moving around outside the window. 660 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:47,430 Now, unfortunately, due to the stop-motion 661 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:49,800 one-frame-per-second nature of this footage 662 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,390 and the fact that the camera was handheld, 663 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:54,670 there is significant object movement that occurs 664 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:56,920 between each frame that was not caught on film. 665 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,210 Whatever these objects are, 666 00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:00,030 they are clearly flying free in space. 667 00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:01,730 And we can say with certainty 668 00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:03,370 that they are definitely not any 669 00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:05,770 declared satellites or known debris. 670 00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:07,840 We don't know what they are, where they came from, 671 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,370 how they got there, where they're going, 672 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:10,460 or what they're doing there. 673 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:12,520 And that by definition puts them 674 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,730 into the category of being unidentified. 675 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,640 - There's an enormous volume of data 676 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,520 that the skeptics refuse to consider. 677 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,980 Mr. Klass, for example, in three books, 678 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:24,830 it doesn't even mention the largest study 679 00:38:24,830 --> 00:38:28,040 ever done about flying saucers, because the data in it 680 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080 clearly contradict the pronouncements that he makes. 681 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,090 - I'll tell you what, make it easy on me again, Mr. Klass. 682 00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:37,060 The object that was moving at an apparent speed 683 00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:40,230 of 1000 miles an hour versus- - Ted, I cannot identify it 684 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:41,640 off the top of my head. 685 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,660 All I can say is that in your seven-minute intro here, 686 00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:48,300 there were any number of those cases 687 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:50,130 that have been explained. 688 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:52,300 Several of the photos were hoaxes. 689 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,620 - Okay, but before we run out of time here, 690 00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:56,900 what we're dealing with, and again, that's why the public, 691 00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:00,410 I think, gloms onto this as much as it does, 692 00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,360 here we have a couple of pilots. 693 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,120 I mean, these were experienced observers, 694 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,320 especially about things like that. 695 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,640 Doesn't that cause you to wonder just a little bit? 696 00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:12,130 - No, it doesn't because the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek 697 00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:15,190 did an analysis of pilot reports 698 00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:17,830 in the Air Force files and found 699 00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:21,760 that in terms of misidentifying prosaic objects 700 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,830 like stars and balloons, that pilots, 701 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:28,060 military and airline pilots were no better 702 00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:30,460 than ordinary civilians. 703 00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:34,710 Being a pilot does not improve your powers of perception. 704 00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:39,030 - When a debunker says, "No pictures can withstand 705 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,230 "careful investigation by confident investigators," 706 00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,230 we got to throw in the competence there, 707 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,910 what it means is he hasn't looked at the evidence. 708 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:52,190 There is, there are pictures 709 00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,640 that have been validated by scientific groups. 710 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,840 One of the best photo analysts is Dr. Bruce Maccabee. 711 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,260 Got a PhD in physics, he's an optical physicist. 712 00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:08,020 Worked for a Navy research lab for 30 years. 713 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:10,490 He has found several pictures that he has looked at 714 00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:12,960 very carefully with the best tools available 715 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,300 to anybody studying optical phenomenon stuff, 716 00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:20,160 and found several that will withstand examination. 717 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,970 To make proclamations about what's impossible 718 00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:26,120 from people who haven't studied the things in that field 719 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,130 is pretty darn foolish. 720 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,010 - The following conversations took place 721 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:50,200 after CDR Stafford and LMP Cernan 722 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,700 had separated Snoopy from Charlie Brown 723 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,270 and were in the midst of conducting 724 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:56,660 their landing dress rehearsal flight plan 725 00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:58,490 behind the lunar far side. 726 00:41:58,490 --> 00:42:01,220 Note that this DSEA transcription covers 727 00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:05,420 both internal LM conversations between Stafford and Cernan 728 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:08,840 as well as their radio dialogue with CMP John Young, 729 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,460 who was flying solo in the CSM Charlie Brown. 730 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:24,930 - Apollo X, Houston. 731 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:26,590 Two minutes to LOS. 732 00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:28,270 Everybody here says Godspeed. 733 00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:32,820 - Okay, and we'll see you 734 00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:34,730 right on the other side in orbit. 735 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:35,730 - Roger. 736 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:39,770 - Just to be clear, 737 00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:41,950 the astronauts are discussing a noise 738 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:45,030 they're suddenly hearing behind the far side of the Moon. 739 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,260 Note that the music is being heard in both spacecraft 740 00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:54,100 by all three astronauts at the same time. 741 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,060 - We are getting data. 742 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,340 We don't have any voice communication yet. 743 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:55,570 Hello, Apollo team. 744 00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:56,570 Houston, over. 745 00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:02,570 - Roger, Houston, Apollo 10. 746 00:45:02,570 --> 00:45:05,820 - Voices reportedly were heard in May, 1969 747 00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:09,330 by the Apollo 10 astronauts as they circled the Moon. 748 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,630 The sounds, which lasted about an hour, 749 00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:15,400 were recorded and transmitted to Mission Control in Houston. 750 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,130 - That music even sounds 751 00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:18,860 outer spacey, doesn't it? 752 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:21,070 Do you hear that, that whistling sound? 753 00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:33,790 - Independent space researcher Cary Martynuik, 754 00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:36,130 he would want you to know that a whole lot more 755 00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:39,330 of his evidence has been supposedly sanitized 756 00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:44,330 or doctored by NASA and the Department of Defense. 757 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:47,900 A mountain of film and photographic materials 758 00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,300 from Apollo missions. 759 00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:53,490 Some of the greatest anomalies to have come out 760 00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:57,270 of early space missions would undoubtedly present themselves 761 00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:58,830 during the Apollo era. 762 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,910 - Goldstone MNO, Houston CapCom. 763 00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:20,100 Could you put the TV down on this place. 764 00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:23,010 - CapCom, Goldstone, roger. 765 00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,930 - Houston CapCom, Goldstone MNO net one. 766 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:28,180 - Go. 767 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:29,650 - The TV people do not have access 768 00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:30,810 to net one in that area. 769 00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:32,790 Suggest we use net two for that purpose. 770 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:34,360 - Okay, going to net two. 771 00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:37,430 - Hello, Apollo XI, Houston. 772 00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:40,050 Please select omni-bravo on board, over. 773 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:45,200 - Take onto bravo, Johnny. 774 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,200 - Roger. 775 00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:51,310 - Okay, XI, we have a picture. 776 00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:53,750 We see there it's right in the center of the screen, over. 777 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,870 - Roger, Houston, Apollo XI. 778 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,490 Calling in from about 130,000 miles out. 779 00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,740 - We can see 780 00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:08,980 the oceans with 781 00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:12,400 a definite blue gap. 782 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,670 We see white bands of major cloud formations 783 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:16,970 across the Earth. 784 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:19,430 And we can see 785 00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:23,990 coastlines. 786 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,340 - Apollo XI astronaut Edwin Buzz Aldrin, 787 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:28,150 the second man to walk on the Moon, 788 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:30,700 has actually given an interview where he confirmed 789 00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:32,650 that certain segments of his Apollo mission 790 00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:34,250 were indeed carefully scripted 791 00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:37,400 to control exactly what the public saw and heard. 792 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,670 Back in 2003, Aldrin was interviewed for Neil Armstrong's 793 00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:43,990 only authorized biography, and during that interview 794 00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:46,320 he was asked about whether some of the live television 795 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,170 transmissions that were made from the CSM during the flight 796 00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,600 really were improvised and unscripted. 797 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,760 And in response Aldrin first admits 798 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000 that NASA "Went to great lengths" 799 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,450 to make sure that they appeared unscripted. 800 00:47:59,450 --> 00:48:01,350 And he then goes on to say the following. 801 00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,150 And I'll quote Aldrin directly here. 802 00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:07,830 "The fact is, they were carefully planned in advance. 803 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,370 "And for me, the exact words were written down 804 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:13,360 "on little cards stuck onto the panel in front of us." 805 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,940 During the Apollo program, the Moonwalking astronauts 806 00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:22,400 wore a small booklet that was attached to the wrist 807 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,360 of their space suit, designed to serve 808 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,340 as a quick reference timeline and schedule 809 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:28,790 of lunar surface operations checklist. 810 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:31,540 And here are the last two pages from Apollo 12 Commander 811 00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:34,910 Pete Conrad's actual flown EVA wrist cuff checklist 812 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:37,420 that he wore during his two Moonwalks. 813 00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:40,290 This pair of pages obviously written before the mission 814 00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:43,110 and easily accessible to him while on the lunar surface 815 00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:46,460 were clearly meant to provide Conrad with pre scripted, 816 00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:49,090 already sanitized geologic or selenologic 817 00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:51,700 phrasing suggestions, reminding him to keep 818 00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,110 any descriptions he gives over the public radio loop 819 00:48:54,110 --> 00:48:57,930 censored so they focus on geologic aspects only. 820 00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:59,620 And there is no other reason for Conrad 821 00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:02,480 to have sanitized script notes describing his landing site 822 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,480 in his checklist during these Moonwalks. 823 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,510 - Do we copy? 824 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:08,600 - It's a pretty good little jump. 825 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,590 - So there's a foot on the Moon, 826 00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:12,130 stepping down on the Moon. 827 00:49:13,050 --> 00:49:14,430 If he's testing that first step, 828 00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:16,980 he must be stepping down on the Moon at this point. 829 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:23,560 Armstrong is on the Moon, Neil Armstrong. 830 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,590 38-year-old American, standing on the surface of the Moon. 831 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:32,450 On this July 20th, 1969. 832 00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:35,320 - That's one small step for a man. 833 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,090 One giant leap for Mankind. 834 00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,490 - Hello, Neil and Buzz. 835 00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:45,470 I'm talking to you by telephone 836 00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:47,750 from the Oval Room at the White House. 837 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:50,090 And this certainly has to be the most historic 838 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:53,750 telephone call ever made from the White House. 839 00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:56,440 I just can't tell you how proud we all are 840 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,110 of what you have done. 841 00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:59,860 For every American, this has to be 842 00:49:59,860 --> 00:50:01,970 the proudest day of our lives. 843 00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,500 And for people all over the world, 844 00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,890 I am sure that they too join with Americans 845 00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:11,880 in recognizing what an immense feat this is. 846 00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:15,410 Because of what you have done, 847 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:19,610 the heavens have become a part of Man's world. 848 00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:24,570 And as you talk to us from the Sea of Tranquility, 849 00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:27,320 it inspires us to redouble our efforts 850 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,310 to bring peace and tranquility to Earth. 851 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:51,990 - I'm trying to cheat and look out there. 852 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,220 I think I see my crater. 853 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,680 - Your LPD? 854 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,510 - I'm not sure. 855 00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:58,110 - Coming through seven. 856 00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:59,890 P-64, Pete. 857 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:01,960 - P-64. 858 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,750 That's it, there's LPD. 859 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,440 - Roger, copy, P-64. 860 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,340 - That was an update. 861 00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:07,680 Hey there it is! 862 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,140 There it is, oh my God, right down the middle of the road. 863 00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:11,970 - Outstanding! 864 00:51:11,970 --> 00:51:13,380 42 degrees, Pete. 865 00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:14,390 - Hey, we're beside it. 866 00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:16,470 Right by that crater, look out there. 867 00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:17,540 I can't believe it. 868 00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:18,540 Amazing! 869 00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:23,730 - During the November, 1969 flight of Apollo 12, 870 00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:26,490 NASA's official historical record has always told us 871 00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:28,580 that Mission Commander Charles Pete Conrad 872 00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:30,770 and Lunar Module pilot Alan Bean 873 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:32,440 touched down at their lunar landing site 874 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,610 known as Statio Cognitium, which is located 875 00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:36,740 on the eastern edge of Oceanus Procellarum 876 00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:38,490 or the ocean of storms. 877 00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:40,440 And from NASA's official storyline we are told 878 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,380 that the pair of astronauts conducted two EVAs 879 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:47,300 on the lunar surface during your 31.5-hour stay on the Moon. 880 00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:48,990 - Okay, Pete! 881 00:51:48,990 --> 00:51:51,110 - That may have been a small one for Neil, 882 00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:53,420 but that's a long one for me. 883 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,430 - Today we will examine some very relevant 884 00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:57,940 NASA archive evidence related to this flight. 885 00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:00,550 And I will demonstrate to you that NASA's official claim 886 00:52:00,550 --> 00:52:02,550 that only two EVAs took place 887 00:52:02,550 --> 00:52:05,140 during the Apollo 12 mission is a lie. 888 00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:07,690 Before going any further, I think it's important 889 00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:09,360 that we make sure that everyone appreciates 890 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,800 the distinction between a Moonwalk EVA and a Standup-EVA. 891 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,160 So, first we'll take a quick look 892 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,470 at exactly what the difference is 893 00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:18,240 between those two extra-vehicular activity types are. 894 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,720 It's important for us to remember here 895 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,410 that the Grumman Lunar Modules used 896 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:25,620 throughout the Apollo program did not utilize airlocks 897 00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:28,350 to allow the astronauts to conduct EVA operations. 898 00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:30,720 They instead had ingress/egress hatches, 899 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,560 a pair of hatches on each Lunar Module, in fact. 900 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,140 The hatch the astronauts used after landing on the Moon 901 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,450 in order to get from the interior crew cabin 902 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:40,130 of the LM down to the lunar surface 903 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:42,230 so that they could conduct their Moonwalks 904 00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:45,310 was a quadrangle hatch that was located on the forward, 905 00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:46,830 or what was in NASA speak known 906 00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:49,400 as the +Z side of the spacecraft. 907 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:52,790 When the astronauts were inside the LM on the lunar surface 908 00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:55,070 and wanted to conduct a Moonwalk, 909 00:52:55,070 --> 00:52:57,440 they would first don their space suits and then put on 910 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,470 and connect themselves to their PLSS backpacks, 911 00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:01,680 the personal life support system backpacks 912 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,780 which contained the astronauts' primary and emergency 913 00:53:04,780 --> 00:53:07,580 O2 breathing supplies and CO2 scrubbers, 914 00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:10,600 water tanks to feed their liquid-cooled LCVG underwear 915 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,090 they wore to prevent hyperthermic overheating, 916 00:53:13,090 --> 00:53:14,910 as well as the radio communications gear 917 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:17,540 that allowed them to talk to each other and mission control 918 00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:21,050 in Houston when they were outside on the lunar surface. 919 00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:23,770 After doning the pressure suits and their PLSS packs, 920 00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:26,110 they would then put on their pressure helmets, 921 00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:29,050 LEVA helmet visor assemblies and EV pressure gloves, 922 00:53:29,050 --> 00:53:30,480 and pressurize their space suits 923 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,030 with O2 directly from the PLSS backpacks. 924 00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:35,450 And once that was done, they depressurized the crew cabin 925 00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:37,930 in the lunar module using a dump valve 926 00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:41,660 on the inside of the hatch to evacuate the roughly 4.6 PSI 927 00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:43,960 internal atmospheric pressure inside the LM 928 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,870 until it equalized with the near vacuum 929 00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:49,550 external environmental conditions out on the lunar surface. 930 00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:51,830 They then cracked open the +Z hatch. 931 00:53:51,830 --> 00:53:55,080 And once that inward-opening quadrangle hatch was ajar, 932 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,980 the astronauts one at a time would then crouch down 933 00:53:57,980 --> 00:54:00,440 and back their way out of the spacecraft feet first, 934 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,160 moving out onto the porch area of the LM, 935 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,190 still some 12 feet above the Lorraine, 936 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:07,360 before finally descending the nine-rung ladder 937 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,030 down to the lunar surface to actually 938 00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:12,120 start getting your feet dirty in the regolith. 939 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,020 The second hatch on the LM 940 00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:15,630 was the circular overhead docking hatch 941 00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:17,560 located on the top or what was called 942 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,260 the +X side of the spacecraft. 943 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:21,660 And this hatch was the one which 944 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:23,670 the command service module would dock with 945 00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:26,720 and remain attached to during the trans-lunar injection, 946 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,760 trans-lunar coast phases of the mission, 947 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,650 as well as during on-orbit operations above the Moon 948 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:33,710 prior to LM separation and powered descent 949 00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:35,620 or after Lunar rendezvous. 950 00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:38,780 And this +X topside overhead hatch was primarily used 951 00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:41,280 during the Apollo program for transferring crew 952 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,210 and equipment between the LM and the CSM 953 00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:45,420 when the two craft were docked at space. 954 00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:48,370 But when the LM was down on the lunar surface after landing, 955 00:54:48,370 --> 00:54:51,890 this +X overhead hatch could be, and occasionally was 956 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:54,640 used for conducting standup extra-vehicular activities. 957 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,290 One more simple but powerful influence that played a role 958 00:54:59,290 --> 00:55:02,060 in NASA's decision to conduct this covert S-EVA during 959 00:55:02,060 --> 00:55:06,390 Apollo 12 dealt with maximizing the propaganda benefits. 960 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:07,940 The Apollo 12 mission took place 961 00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:11,070 during the heart of the Cold War in 1969, remember. 962 00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:12,680 And we know that prior to the flight, 963 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,190 NASA had very publicly billed that mission 964 00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:17,430 as being a demonstration of the LM's precision 965 00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:20,040 site targeting and touchdown capabilities. 966 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,490 So, conducting this S-EVA covertly 967 00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:25,060 would let NASA maximize the positive propaganda 968 00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:27,420 if the landing was found to be on target, 969 00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:30,030 while also giving them a headstart to begin mitigating 970 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,860 any negative media fallout if the covert S-EVA 971 00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:34,990 had revealed that they touched down too far away 972 00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:37,460 from the Surveyor III Lander to make the traverse 973 00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:39,400 over to it, like they had planned to do. 974 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,830 - For the eyes of the world now look into space, 975 00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:47,480 to the Moon and to the planets beyond. 976 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,360 And we have vowed that we shall not see it governed 977 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,760 by a hostile flag of conquest, 978 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,450 but by a banner of freedom and peace. 979 00:55:59,450 --> 00:56:02,460 We avow that we shall not see space 980 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,260 filled with weapons of mass destruction, 981 00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:10,200 but with instruments of knowledge and understanding. 982 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,200 Yet the vows of this nation can only be fulfilled 983 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,670 if we in this nation are first, 984 00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:20,990 and therefore we intend to be first. 985 00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:22,860 - Thankfully for us, a few years ago 986 00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:25,490 NASA actually slipped up and they got a little sloppy 987 00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:27,940 with their sanitizing and censorship protocols, 988 00:56:27,940 --> 00:56:30,850 resulting in the space agency accidentally publishing 989 00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:32,810 classified information within 990 00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:35,460 an unclassified public archive document, 991 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:38,340 confirming the fact that astronauts Conrad and Bean 992 00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:42,070 did indeed conduct not two but three EVAs 993 00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:43,590 during the Apollo 12 mission. 994 00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:49,040 Back in September of 2006, an analysis was published 995 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,910 in the NASA archives that was titled, 996 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,140 "The Apollo Experience Lessons Learned 997 00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:55,900 "for Constellation Lunar Dust Management." 998 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:58,250 And this document, as its title suggests, 999 00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:00,990 deals with examining lunar dust management issues 1000 00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:02,650 that were experienced throughout the course 1001 00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:05,010 of the six declared Apollo lunar landing missions, 1002 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:07,130 highlighting concerns that need to be recognized 1003 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:09,920 and evaluated in order to better aid in preparation 1004 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,220 for any potential future missions to the Moon. 1005 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,910 On page nine of this document, 1006 00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:16,970 under the header of Surface Obscuration 1007 00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:19,120 During Descent, Observations, 1008 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,340 we discover this rather interesting paragraph 1009 00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:23,180 that slipped past the NASA sensors. 1010 00:57:24,350 --> 00:57:27,810 "The blowing dust caused by the Apollo 12 LM landing 1011 00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:30,580 appears to have been worse than that of Apollo 11. 1012 00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:33,250 In fact, a standup extra vehicular activity 1013 00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:35,630 was performed by the crew to assess the site 1014 00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:37,870 prior to performing lunar surface EVAs 1015 00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:40,050 because blowing dust completely obscured 1016 00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:41,250 the view during landing. 1017 00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:45,230 Now, if you have even a basic appreciation 1018 00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:46,470 of the Apollo 12 missions' 1019 00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:49,170 publicly-declared lunar surface events timeline, 1020 00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:50,490 you can look at this paragraph 1021 00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:53,200 and see that something is very clearly amiss here. 1022 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,910 Because at least according to the official historical record 1023 00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:58,540 that you've always been fed by NASA in the past, 1024 00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,430 there was no Standup-EVA conducted 1025 00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:02,190 during the Apollo 12 mission. 1026 00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:05,010 Yet this NASA document published a few short years ago 1027 00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:07,570 in their public archives directly references 1028 00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:10,270 this event that occurred back in November of 1969, 1029 00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:13,880 blatantly admitting that it did indeed happen. 1030 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,860 First off, it's important to establish 1031 00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:18,430 that what you see here cannot be explained away 1032 00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:22,180 as a simple misprint or an accidental typo of some kind. 1033 00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:24,460 This document does not merely just acknowledge 1034 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,370 that a Standup-EVA did take place 1035 00:58:26,370 --> 00:58:29,010 during the Apollo 12 mission, but in essence 1036 00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:30,930 it provides us triple confirmation 1037 00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:33,660 of this fact, revealing not only that this S-EVA 1038 00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:36,740 did indeed occur, but also briefly declaring 1039 00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:40,350 when they did it and why they had to do it. 1040 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,120 And the inclusion of those three key related points 1041 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,990 within this one paragraph rules out the possibility 1042 00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:48,400 that what you're seeing here can be accounted for 1043 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,050 or explained away as being a simple 1044 00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:51,450 erroneous misprint of some kind. 1045 00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:54,790 When it came time to actually conduct their covert S-EVA, 1046 00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:57,340 Conrad and Bean used one of the hatch dump valves 1047 00:58:57,340 --> 00:58:59,900 to evacuate the internal LM atmospheric pressure 1048 00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,400 just as they would do his final prep for a Moonwalk EVA. 1049 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,540 Commander Conrad then reached over his head 1050 00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:08,130 and cracked open the overhead +X hatch, 1051 00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:09,990 swinging it inward on his hinges 1052 00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:12,680 where it was latched and locked in the full open position. 1053 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,670 And due to the dimensions of the +X hatch, 1054 00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:17,340 only one astronaut at a time could take in 1055 00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:19,120 this impressive view of their landing site 1056 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,810 from the roof of the LM. 1057 00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:22,700 First Commander Pete Conrad and then 1058 00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,430 Lunar Module pilot Alan Bean, one at a time 1059 00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:27,670 would step up and stand on the engine cover 1060 00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:30,470 for the ascent propulsion system, the APS 1061 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:32,400 that sticks up from the floor in the center 1062 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,110 of the LM crew cabin so it was much like 1063 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:36,430 standing on a bench or a low table. 1064 00:59:36,430 --> 00:59:38,120 And this allowed them to gain enough height 1065 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,870 to poke their upper body out through the +X overhead hatch 1066 00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:44,820 and let them take in the full 360-degree panoramic vista 1067 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,260 from the roof of their spacecraft 1068 00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:48,840 over seven meters above the Lorraine. 1069 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,540 This excellent high-ground viewpoint atop the LM 1070 00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,970 allowed Conrad and Bean to take in the lay of the land 1071 00:59:53,970 --> 00:59:56,850 and have a good look around at the Statio Cognitum site, 1072 00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:58,770 getting their bearings and allowing them 1073 00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:01,450 to identify their exact touchdown location. 1074 01:00:01,450 --> 01:00:03,320 And of course take plenty of photographs 1075 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,800 with the Hasselblad 70-millimeter HTC camera as well. 1076 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,150 And those film magazines, because they were exposed 1077 01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:11,820 during a covert, off-the-record S-EVA 1078 01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:14,840 were never publicly declared or cataloged after the mission. 1079 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,910 So, the public has been denied that Apollo 12 S-EVA imagery, 1080 01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:20,450 and it remains classified top secret to this day. 1081 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,650 Just prior to the covert S-EVA commencing, 1082 01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:25,870 the following exchange over the public radio loop 1083 01:00:25,870 --> 01:00:28,140 took place between CapCom Jerry Carr 1084 01:00:28,140 --> 01:00:30,250 and Apollo 12 Commander Pete Conrad, 1085 01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:32,450 with Carr telling Conrad that they had apparently 1086 01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:34,450 finally finished the platform alignment. 1087 01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:36,840 - Intrepid, Houston. 1088 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,080 The computer is yours. 1089 01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,550 - Roger. 1090 01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:48,360 - You have a new RLS and state vector. 1091 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,910 - Thank you. 1092 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,430 - Immediately after Conrad says 1093 01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:58,410 the words "Thank you," this is followed 1094 01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:00,210 by an extended and rather bizarre 1095 01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:03,860 dead-air period of 18 minutes and 45 seconds, 1096 01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:05,600 where there is absolutely nothing heard 1097 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,380 from the two astronauts on the lunar surface 1098 01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:09,110 over the public radio loop. 1099 01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:10,680 You can confirm this in the official 1100 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,410 Apollo 12 mission audio file in the NASA archives, 1101 01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:16,060 a waveform analysis which we're looking at right now. 1102 01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:19,030 The area you see highlighted in blue here 1103 01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:21,200 is covering the full dead-air period. 1104 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,570 This is where Conrad and Bean were actually conducting 1105 01:01:23,570 --> 01:01:25,400 the covert Standup-EVA. 1106 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,850 And just to clarify, the wave form spikes 1107 01:01:27,850 --> 01:01:29,770 that you see occurring within this timeframe, 1108 01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:32,070 highlighted in yellow here, are not due 1109 01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:33,900 to communications from the lunar surface. 1110 01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,280 Those waveforms are denoting radio voice traffic 1111 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,460 between mission control and the third astronaut, 1112 01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:40,520 Command Module pilot, Dick Gordon, 1113 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,070 who you will remember was actually on orbit above the Moon 1114 01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:45,950 in the Command Service Module, call sign Yankee Clipper 1115 01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:49,430 while Conrad and Bean were down on the lunar surface. 1116 01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:50,300 - Yankee Clipper, Houston. 1117 01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:51,740 The CMC is yours. 1118 01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:58,280 - Roger, Jerry, thank you. 1119 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,620 How are things going on the surface? 1120 01:02:00,620 --> 01:02:02,370 - They're doing great, Dick. 1121 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,660 - The area highlighted in blue here 1122 01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:07,500 is showing the full segment of dead air 1123 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,060 along the mission timeline. 1124 01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:11,400 And you can see that during that segment of time, 1125 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,430 the astronauts were officially supposed to be 1126 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:15,680 describing and photographing the lunar surface 1127 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,760 over the public radio loop. 1128 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,080 All the public got to hear during 1129 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,980 that period was dead air, though. 1130 01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:24,730 The fact is, Conrad and Bean were describing Statio Cognitum 1131 01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:25,970 and were taking photographs 1132 01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:27,730 during this public blackout period, 1133 01:02:27,730 --> 01:02:30,260 but they were doing it secretly over the private radio loop 1134 01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:32,230 while conducting their covert S-EVA. 1135 01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:35,700 For any Apollo crew to be able to covertly conduct this type 1136 01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:38,020 of off-the-record operation during a mission 1137 01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:39,890 without the public knowing about it 1138 01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:42,400 would have to mean that NASA must've possessed 1139 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,520 some kind of technical capability that allowed 1140 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,990 mission control to carry out secret radio communications 1141 01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:50,340 with the astronauts when they were in space 1142 01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:52,140 or on the lunar surface. 1143 01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:54,010 Unfortunately, many people still seem to be 1144 01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:56,350 under the erroneous impression that the NASA archives 1145 01:02:56,350 --> 01:03:00,060 offer the public a 100% complete and unedited record 1146 01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:02,240 of all radio traffic between the astronauts 1147 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,670 and mission control during the Apollo program. 1148 01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:07,370 And people think that because NASA over the decades 1149 01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:09,930 has led you to believe that their lunar explorations 1150 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:11,330 had nothing to hide from the public 1151 01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:14,210 and were entirely transparent, uncensored affairs. 1152 01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:15,620 And that is simply not true. 1153 01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:18,470 Just to quickly prove to you right now 1154 01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:20,950 that this covert-comms capability did exist 1155 01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:23,430 and was employed during the Apollo program, 1156 01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:25,920 we can take a quick look at a couple of brief quotes 1157 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,130 from Apollo astronaut Eugene Cernan 1158 01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:29,720 that he published in his autobiography, 1159 01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:32,820 "The Last Man on the Moon," where he blatantly admits 1160 01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:36,050 to the existence and use of the private radio loop 1161 01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:38,680 that let him secretly talk with mission control 1162 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,640 at least twice during his Apollo 17 1163 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,030 mission to Taurus-Littrow. 1164 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,940 "Stripped down to our liquid-cooled underwear, 1165 01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:47,970 "we had a quick dinner, debriefed with the guys on Earth 1166 01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:51,090 "via a private radio loop, and played with some of the rocks 1167 01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:52,970 "we had stowed in the cabin boxes." 1168 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:57,040 In this next quote Cernan describes another 1169 01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,510 brief conversation over the radio that he had 1170 01:03:59,510 --> 01:04:02,430 following the end of the second lunar surface EVA. 1171 01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:04,490 And the conversation Cernan is referencing here 1172 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:06,730 was between himself and NASA's Director 1173 01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:09,120 of Flight Crew Operations back at mission control, 1174 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,110 a man by the name of Deke Slayton. 1175 01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,610 And Cernan was concerned here about the fact 1176 01:04:13,610 --> 01:04:16,790 that prior to their flight, the Palestinian terrorist group 1177 01:04:16,790 --> 01:04:19,580 Black September had actually made several threats 1178 01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:23,150 towards the Apollo 17 mission and the astronauts' families. 1179 01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:24,870 And with the recent Munich massacre 1180 01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:27,940 at the 1972 Olympic Summer Games just a few months prior 1181 01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:30,020 no doubt still in the back of his mind, 1182 01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:31,830 Cernan wanted to make sure that his family 1183 01:04:31,830 --> 01:04:33,650 was safe while he was on the Moon. 1184 01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:35,970 And here is how Cernan described this brief 1185 01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:37,570 off-the-record radio conversation 1186 01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:39,070 that he had with Deke Slayton. 1187 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640 "After we had some chow and settled down, 1188 01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:44,860 "Deke told me on a private radio loop 1189 01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:46,940 "that everything was fine at home. 1190 01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:48,480 "'I talked to Barbara and she said everything 1191 01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:50,000 "'is okay' he said. 1192 01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:51,770 "Not a peep from Black September." 1193 01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:55,740 An examination of the Apollo 17 lunar surface mission tapes 1194 01:04:55,740 --> 01:04:58,300 and voice transcripts in the NASA public archives 1195 01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,900 clearly demonstrates that these private radio conversations 1196 01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,580 that Cernan describes in his autobiography 1197 01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:05,960 were never officially recorded or transcribed 1198 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,630 onto the public record in the Apollo 17 mission. 1199 01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:10,070 So we can state with certainty 1200 01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:12,790 that these secret voice transmissions did happen 1201 01:05:12,790 --> 01:05:14,800 and were deliberately censored by NASA 1202 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,040 and sanitized from the official public record entirely. 1203 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,050 The only reason we know that these conversations 1204 01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:23,250 in fact did take place is because astronaut Gene Cernan 1205 01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:26,750 openly admitted to it, confirming both the existence and use 1206 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:29,350 of this private radio loop during the Apollo program. 1207 01:05:29,350 --> 01:05:31,920 We know that this Standup-EVA had not been a part 1208 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,630 of the publicized pre-mission flight plan. 1209 01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:35,840 So, the fact was it was simply not a part 1210 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,190 of the Apollo 12 public script. 1211 01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:40,010 And make no mistake, the Apollo missions 1212 01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:42,760 were heavily-scripted, highly-censored affairs. 1213 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,240 What the public has been told about those amazing missions 1214 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,660 to the Moon was merely a sanitized, 1215 01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:50,360 censored version of what was really going on, 1216 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,830 what was really being said, 1217 01:05:51,830 --> 01:05:54,910 and what was really being seen and filmed up there. 1218 01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:56,430 - Man, you talk about 1219 01:05:56,430 --> 01:05:59,290 a mysterious-looking place. 1220 01:05:59,290 --> 01:06:02,390 - They can cut some parts of those pictures out 1221 01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:05,120 and make a nice photograph! 1222 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,460 - So, there were indeed sanitizing methods 1223 01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:09,480 or pre-planned scripting that was going on 1224 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,680 during the Apollo program to help control 1225 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,430 exactly what the public saw and heard. 1226 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,780 And this kind of censorship during those lunar missions 1227 01:06:15,780 --> 01:06:18,100 happened a lot more than most people are aware. 1228 01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,710 We're just scratching the surface of that subject here. 1229 01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:23,620 - This could all be an effort 1230 01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:25,700 to keep the public from seeing more 1231 01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:28,200 about what is really going on in space. 1232 01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,580 - One question has lingered 1233 01:11:58,580 --> 01:12:01,400 in our consciousness for decades now. 1234 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,990 Why haven't we been to the Moon since 1972? 1235 01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:08,480 - Why do you think it didn't happen? 1236 01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:13,980 - Well, there's overwhelming proof that it didn't happen. 1237 01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:18,150 There's people researching this topic. 1238 01:12:26,590 --> 01:12:30,510 - On July 20th, 1969, one of the most momentous 1239 01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:34,180 events in human history occurred: People walked on the Moon. 1240 01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:37,590 Eventually the United States completed six Moon landings 1241 01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:39,700 and then we suddenly stopped. 1242 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:42,930 - If men really did walk on the Moon in the 1960s and '70s, 1243 01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:44,160 we'd have been back by now! 1244 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,260 Therefore we've never been to the Moon. 1245 01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,270 Well, no. 1246 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:49,380 - Human space flight programs since Apollo 1247 01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:52,580 have made up the majority of the NASA budget. 1248 01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:54,520 And the majority of those programs 1249 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,440 are performed by aerospace contractors. 1250 01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,900 - This is Lori Garver. 1251 01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:01,540 She was the Deputy Administrator 1252 01:13:01,540 --> 01:13:03,980 for NASA under President Obama. 1253 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:07,140 Lori says those contracts have been so long-lived, 1254 01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:10,050 that they've locked NASA into certain technologies, 1255 01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,180 mindsets, and dollars. 1256 01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:14,980 - No one wanted to compete and competition 1257 01:13:14,980 --> 01:13:16,230 is where you drive down cost. 1258 01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:19,090 - The official explanation for our long absence 1259 01:13:19,090 --> 01:13:21,470 from the Moon is apparently very simple. 1260 01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:25,050 Going to the Moon is expensive. 1261 01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:27,800 And more evidence is mounting that private companies 1262 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,980 such as SpaceX may be the first to return us to the Moon. 1263 01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:34,720 And furthermore land a manned mission on Mars. 1264 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,920 But secret space theory purports that there's something else 1265 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,960 making matters more complicated. 1266 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,220 Some believe we have been warned away from the Moon 1267 01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:44,640 by extra terrestrials. 1268 01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:48,700 Some believe we are still going to the Moon 1269 01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:50,810 and the public isn't being told about it. 1270 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,830 - Did legendary filmmaker Stanley Kubrick, 1271 01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:57,430 who directed such masterpieces as "The Shining," 1272 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,860 "Full Metal Jacket," and "Dr. Strange Love" 1273 01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:03,590 help perpetrate an Apollo 11 Moon landing hoax for NASA? 1274 01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:06,320 - Some people believe that undisclosed 1275 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,590 advanced technologies such as antigravity 1276 01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:11,390 are being employed to carry out 1277 01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:13,750 some of these secret space endeavors. 1278 01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,030 - So does the science support 1279 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,330 that aliens could travel here? 1280 01:14:18,340 --> 01:14:20,660 - The studies on interstellar travel, 1281 01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:22,390 and I know something about them 1282 01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:24,580 because I worked on those studies. 1283 01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:28,380 The science and technology that we know a great deal about 1284 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,990 tells us that if you play your cards right, 1285 01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:34,470 you can go to the stars. 1286 01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:37,060 It's gonna cost a tremendous amount of money. 1287 01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:38,840 I'm not saying this is easy. 1288 01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:42,210 Look, if I told you about an aircraft carrier 1289 01:14:42,210 --> 01:14:44,900 that could operate for 18 years without refueling, 1290 01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:46,860 you'd say, "You're crazy, man!" 1291 01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:48,650 If I told you that 50 years ago. 1292 01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:51,600 But it's real. 1293 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,660 But I'm saying with what we know, 1294 01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:55,550 even though we haven't done it yet, 1295 01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:57,540 technological progress comes from 1296 01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:02,340 doing things differently in an unpredictable way. 1297 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:05,660 The future is not an extrapolation of the past. 1298 01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:07,370 This camera, 1299 01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:10,770 if you told somebody you could do what this thing does 1300 01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:15,660 70 years ago, he'd of laughed his head off. 1301 01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:17,950 So, we have examples in our own life, 1302 01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:21,500 which today's generation doesn't know what we did before. 1303 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:23,800 You know, 1304 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,750 gigabytes, come on, what are you talking about? 1331 01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:30,600 - And while there are varying degrees 1305 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,430 to the validity of some of these theories, 1306 01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:36,620 the fact is there have been unexplained anomalies 1307 01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:39,630 throughout our history of space travel. 1308 01:15:39,630 --> 01:15:41,500 - Top astronomer in the United States 1309 01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:45,900 said if there was one thing he was sure of, 1310 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,730 man would never fly any distance in a vehicle. 1311 01:15:48,730 --> 01:15:49,770 This was two months before 1312 01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:51,470 the Wright brothers' first flight. 1313 01:15:53,230 --> 01:15:56,830 Top English astronomer, astronomer royal 1314 01:15:57,850 --> 01:16:01,980 in 1956, an interview in Time magazine, mind you, 1315 01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:05,160 said "Space travel is utter bilge. 1316 01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:07,090 "Nobody would pay for it, what good would it do? 1317 01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:09,700 "What we need is better tools for astronomy." 1318 01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:11,780 Sputnik went up the next year. 1319 01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:14,330 The field that has benefited the most from space, 1320 01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:16,910 scientific field is astronomy because you can 1321 01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:18,770 get above the atmosphere and it's a lot easier 1322 01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:20,860 to see things so forth and so on. 1323 01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:23,770 But the rules for debunkers, 1324 01:16:23,770 --> 01:16:27,250 first, don't bother me with the facts; my mind's made up. 1325 01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:30,350 Two, what the public doesn't know, 1326 01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:32,340 I'm not gonna tell 'em. 1327 01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:36,320 Three, if it can't attack the data, attack the people. 1328 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,040 - The mayor has investigated, has found that Ed 1329 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,480 and his wife went back to City Hall. 1330 01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,050 - Go ahead. 1331 01:16:44,050 --> 01:16:45,440 Let him finish, let him finish. 1332 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,830 - It's the mayor's word against you, 1333 01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:51,270 and you have two convicted felonies on your record. 1334 01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:55,940 You served time once for forgery, once for car theft. 1335 01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:59,380 So, I choose to believe Mayor Ed Gray III. 1336 01:16:59,390 --> 01:17:00,410 - What do you say? 1337 01:17:00,410 --> 01:17:01,860 Okay, you have to respond. 1338 01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:04,600 - When I was an 18-year-old boy, 1339 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,320 I did get in trouble with the law. 1340 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,390 But what that has to do with UFOs, only Phil Klass knows. 1341 01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:11,880 Now, this type of ridicule- 1342 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,510 This type of ridicule 1343 01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:17,730 is the same thing that the government does 1344 01:17:17,730 --> 01:17:21,270 to virtually every high-profile UFO case. 1345 01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:22,560 - It's easier. 1346 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,200 Those are the framework rules. 1347 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,910 Don't bother me with the facts; my mind's made up. 1348 01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:29,720 That's a crucial aspect. 1349 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,160 - Let's get the people in authority to say 1350 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,870 what they're doing with our tax dollars 1351 01:17:33,870 --> 01:17:35,400 and what they're finding out. 1352 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,630 - Okay, Phil, you say what? 1353 01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:39,820 - Well, Oprah, I have never read a book 1354 01:17:40,670 --> 01:17:44,020 labeled non-fiction that is riddled 1355 01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:45,890 with so many errors of fact. 1356 01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:47,170 - You know, I knew- - There are no one kinds 1357 01:17:47,170 --> 01:17:49,180 of errors of fact. 1358 01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:52,120 He claims to have visited Cheyenne Mountain. 1359 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,050 And yet he claims that there is an elevator 1360 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,680 that goes down 2,500 feet. 1361 01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,470 There is no such elevator. 1362 01:17:59,470 --> 01:18:01,630 He claims to have visited former 1363 01:18:01,630 --> 01:18:04,720 Project Blue Book office at Dayton, Ohio. 1364 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,430 There is today, no such office. 1365 01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:10,630 His book is just riddled with errors of fact 1366 01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:11,800 that could be checked. 1367 01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,100 - Okay, you say what, Howard? 1368 01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:15,050 - That's part of Mr. Klass' distraction technique. 1369 01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:17,190 I mean, the real issue is whether or not he's fat or thin. 1370 01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:20,200 I'm talking about when he was thin or thinner 1371 01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,870 was about 15 years ago, when I made that reference in my- 1372 01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:25,690 - About 40 years ago. - I make that reference 1373 01:18:25,690 --> 01:18:28,450 in my book but that's not the real issue. 1374 01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:30,530 The real issue is basically not whether or not 1375 01:18:30,530 --> 01:18:32,220 elevators go up or down. 1376 01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:34,870 The real issue is what is the government doing? 1377 01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:36,400 What is the government spending with money? 1378 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,630 If one wants to do quibble about facts, 1379 01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:40,740 Mr. Klass has made a career of this. 1380 01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:43,080 I mean, having him review my book 1381 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,920 sort of is having like, an Iranian Minister of Culture 1382 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,590 review Salman Rushdie's book. - Oh come on! 1383 01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:50,400 Come on, come on! - Your mind is made up. 1384 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,620 And you can pursue all this. 1385 01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:53,990 - Now, I'm a nuclear physicist. 1386 01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:57,170 I want the facts, that's what I want is evidence. 1387 01:18:57,170 --> 01:18:59,770 And I also say sometimes you have to keep 1388 01:19:00,710 --> 01:19:02,660 a gray basket, I call it. 1389 01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:04,280 Not black, not white, maybe. 1390 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,020 People want a yes-or-no answer to everything. 1391 01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:09,950 Well, sometimes you have to say, I don't have enough data. 1392 01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:11,720 Who knows? Things are complicated. 1393 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,070 UFO's aren't simple things. 1394 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:15,760 I mean, ask me about Roswell. 1395 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,250 I've been working on Rosalind since 1978. 1396 01:19:18,250 --> 01:19:21,010 That's a long time! 1397 01:19:21,010 --> 01:19:23,950 And I've heard a lot of stupid anti-Roswell arguments, 1398 01:19:23,950 --> 01:19:25,680 but that's beside the point. 1399 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,410 But almost entirely from people who don't do their homework. 1400 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:34,640 And as a matter of fact, 1401 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,240 a key point in many of my lectures 1402 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,240 is that I talk about five large-scale scientific studies. 1403 01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:47,920 And after each one I ask: how many people have read this? 1404 01:19:49,140 --> 01:19:52,050 I'm lucky if it's 2% of any of 'em. 1405 01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:57,050 - Well, what was recovered was a radar target, ballon-borne. 1406 01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,790 - That is the cover story that was put out. 1407 01:19:59,790 --> 01:20:02,200 We know it was a cover story based on the testimony 1408 01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,050 of the people who put out the cover story. 1409 01:20:04,050 --> 01:20:06,890 General Thomas Dubois was the Chief of Staff 1410 01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:09,720 of Eighth Air Force at Fort Worth Army Airfield, 1411 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,280 General Ramey's Chief of Staff. 1412 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,670 General Dubois told us that the balloon story 1413 01:20:13,670 --> 01:20:15,710 that Phil insists upon talking about 1414 01:20:15,710 --> 01:20:17,990 was a cover story put out by the government, 1415 01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:20,430 simply to get the reporters off their back. 1416 01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:23,100 - Phillip, are you a debunker of all UFO stories? 1417 01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,130 Is that your purpose? 1418 01:20:24,130 --> 01:20:26,270 - I look for explanations. 1419 01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:28,070 - Phillip J. Klass spent all 1420 01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:30,890 of his press appearances attempting to debunk 1421 01:20:30,890 --> 01:20:33,940 the credibility of UFOs and the evidence 1422 01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:36,700 discussed over the years of ET visitation. 1423 01:20:39,870 --> 01:20:41,670 - Typical of the debunkers, 1424 01:20:42,710 --> 01:20:45,220 you know, why don't they ever land? 1425 01:20:45,220 --> 01:20:46,190 They land all the time. 1426 01:20:46,190 --> 01:20:47,310 Ted Phillips in Missouri 1427 01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,480 has looked at thousands of physical trace cases, 1428 01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:54,460 from 80 countries, I mean, you know. 1429 01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:56,190 These cases are all over the place. 1430 01:20:56,190 --> 01:20:58,870 But when a debunker says, "Why don't they land?" 1431 01:20:58,870 --> 01:21:01,630 It means he hasn't studied the data. 1432 01:21:01,630 --> 01:21:04,690 - Recently, the Department of Defense disclosed 1433 01:21:04,690 --> 01:21:08,930 that they once ran a $22-million research program 1434 01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:11,830 that tried to figure out the nature of these objects 1435 01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:14,830 that were buzzing around our planet. 1436 01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:17,540 This program was called AATIP, 1437 01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:22,190 or Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 1438 01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:25,060 Today, the U.S. government has alluded 1439 01:21:25,060 --> 01:21:27,750 to funding a new research program. 1440 01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:29,960 Only this time, instead of referring 1441 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,880 to the phenomena as UFOs, the new term is UAP, 1442 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,360 or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. 1443 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,360 - I have taken on debunkers. 1444 01:21:41,690 --> 01:21:44,010 And it's a sad story. 1445 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,160 When you realize that they haven't done their homework, 1446 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,300 they've been very selective, it's propaganda. 1447 01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,060 You know, propagandists have been around a long time. 1448 01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:56,140 - If they are extra terrestrials, why hide it? 1449 01:21:56,140 --> 01:21:56,970 - Yeah. Right? 1450 01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:58,080 That's what I say, why hide it? 1451 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,130 Look, this would be the greatest discovery 1452 01:22:00,130 --> 01:22:01,030 in the history of science. 1453 01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:02,640 NASA would be elated, of course they could go 1454 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:03,890 to Congress and get more funding. 1455 01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:05,080 Why would anybody cover this up? 1456 01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:06,810 And look what happens when they make 1457 01:22:06,810 --> 01:22:08,450 even the smallest discoveries. 1458 01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:09,650 Of course, we hear all about it. 1459 01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:10,480 - James? 1460 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,310 - I have a question to ask you. 1461 01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,230 - Yes. - If UFOs, 1462 01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:14,810 and I'm speaking hypothetically for a moment here, 1463 01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:17,750 if UFOs are real, it would be one of the greatest 1464 01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:19,140 discoveries of our time, do you agree with that? 1465 01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:19,970 - Of course. 1466 01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:22,970 - Now, if UFOs, when I use the word if, 1467 01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:24,350 were buzzing around in our airspace, 1468 01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:27,030 who would be best equipped to know about it? 1469 01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:29,030 - Well, our government perhaps. 1470 01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:30,260 - Military? - Maybe. 1471 01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:31,090 - So, we've got- - But maybe not. 1472 01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:32,250 - The highest-ranking military officials 1473 01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:33,550 in the world telling us right now 1474 01:22:33,550 --> 01:22:34,710 that these things are real. 1475 01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:36,380 We've got generals, we've got admirals, 1476 01:22:36,380 --> 01:22:39,540 we've got colonels, we've got Presidents, Governors. 1477 01:22:39,540 --> 01:22:42,220 If we can't believe them, who can we believe? 1478 01:22:42,220 --> 01:22:43,050 - A lack of evidence- 1479 01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:44,290 - I'm sorry, if we can't believe them, 1480 01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:45,390 who can we believe? 1481 01:22:45,390 --> 01:22:47,120 - Physical trace cases- - I wouldn't necessarily- 1482 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,490 - Listen, guys, guys, wait. 1483 01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:52,170 - Evidence, you don't talk about evidence. 1484 01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,490 - This is simply a lack of evidence. 1485 01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:56,530 So when I say, "Where is the spacecraft?" 1486 01:22:56,530 --> 01:22:58,020 You say, "They hid it." 1487 01:22:58,020 --> 01:22:59,530 Where's the documentation? 1488 01:22:59,530 --> 01:23:00,590 They covered it up. 1489 01:23:00,590 --> 01:23:02,590 This is like the weapons of mass destruction thing. 1490 01:23:02,590 --> 01:23:03,630 Where's the evidence? 1491 01:23:03,630 --> 01:23:06,370 The fact that we can't find any, means that they're there. 1492 01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:10,530 - As we continue into modern space exploration, 1493 01:23:10,530 --> 01:23:13,820 NASA became more sophisticated in their approach 1494 01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:18,310 at hiding what they were recording above and beyond. 1495 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,390 - Houston, this is Discovery. 1496 01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:23,460 We still have an alien spacecraft under observance. 1497 01:23:23,460 --> 01:23:27,320 - Do we have an unidentified flying object? 113509

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