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William Shatner: You know,
I've been around for a while.
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I've met some interesting
people, done some crazy things.
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So you'd think that there
wasn't much that could
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take me by surprise.
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You'd be wrong.
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The world is full of
stories and science and
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things that amaze and
confound me every single
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day, incredible mysteries
that keep me awake at night.
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Some I can answer.
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And others just
defy logic.
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Shatner: Is someone - or
something - controlling
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our minds - remotely?
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In Colorado, a man finds a
mysterious object in his body.
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TIM CULLEN: It probably
had to be
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extraterrestrial in nature.
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Shatner: Are the brains
of humans being monitored
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from outer space?
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In St Louis, a séance
turns a housewife
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into a literary genius.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: She
dictated 7 books,
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thousands of poems, short
stories, it's incredible.
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Shatner: Can the dead take
over the minds of the living?
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And in California, a woman
causes machines -
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and people - to go haywire.
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CHERYL WELSH: Electrical
equipment didn't work
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anymore, my
computer, my tv.
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Shatner: Is her mind being
remotely controlled
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- by the government?
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William Shatner: Yeah,
it's a weird world.
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And I love it.
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William Shatner:
Frightening isn't it.
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This is an actual x-ray
of construction worker
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Patrick Lawler - he went
to the dentist complaining
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of a toothache - instead
he found a four inch nail
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embedded in his skull
from his nail gun.
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It's amazing what you can
find inside people...
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Here's another - a cell
phone hidden inside an inmate.
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How did he get
my phone number?
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And this one - a man who
accidentally swallowed
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some scissors while using
them as a toothpick.
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And oh, here's
one of mine.
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Well. Never mind.
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Despite being bizarre -
all of these things are
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easily explainable
- except this one.
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This... was found inside
another man - a man who has no
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idea what it is - or how
it got there -
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or even if it came from Earth.
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Shatner: Yuma
County, Colorado. 1998.
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Cement contractor Tim
Cullen is on a routine job
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when he suffers an injury.
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TIM CULLEN: I was doing
some work for a farmer
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earlier in the summertime
and I'd hit my thumb with
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a hammer, belted
it pretty good.
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My wife, she's a nurse,
she said well you might as
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well go, why don't you go to
the doctor and get it looked at.
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Shatner: Tim's thumb
turns out to be fine.
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But the doctor who
examines him finds
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something else.
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Something he
can't explain.
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TIM CULLEN: The doctor
took an x-ray and he said,
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uh, you know, you have
something in your arm?
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And I said, no.
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He said, you got any
idea where it come from?
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Shatner: Tim is
baffled by the news.
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TIM CULLEN: The object in
the x-ray is a kind of
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bright triangle in, in the
x-ray, real bright, right,
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right next to
my wrist bone.
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It was kind of interesting
to know that something got
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in my body, I really didn't
know anything about it.
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Shatner: The doctor
decides to operate.
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But during the surgery,
something extraordinary happens.
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TIM CULLEN: They were
doing the, the surgery and
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I got to watch
it on a scope.
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As the doctor got ready to
remove the object, when he
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got close to it, it seemed
to move away from the
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forceps that he was going
to remove the objects with.
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Like the object sensed
that it was going to be removed.
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They finally got a hold of
it and they, that's when
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my arm really got to
hurting, they got it drawn
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up near the surface and,
uh, put the snip on
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it and took it loose.
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Shatner: As the doctor
examines the object -
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he realizes why it
reacted strangely.
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Inside a membrane
is a core of metal.
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There are also
"proprioceptors" -
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wire-like appendages that
seem to be connected to
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nerve endings
leading to his hand.
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TIM CULLEN: There was no
anti-rejection structures
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around the whole object at
all, the body doesn't even
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know it's there.
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I mean, it's metal and
nothing more foreign to
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the body than metal.
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Shatner: At first, Tim
makes a steady recovery.
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But his health suddenly
begins to decline.
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TIM CULLEN: My mental ability
started sliding downhill.
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My ability to concentrate
and to stay awake, went
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downhill really rapidly.
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It's just like it's,
I dropped my will.
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I feel like instead of
being a 60 year old man,
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I have to take a nap like
an 80, 85 year old man.
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Shatner: Certain his
health issues are
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connected to the object, Tim
searches his memory for clues.
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Then it hits him - a
mysterious incident
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20 years earlier that
made no sense at all.
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Until now.
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TIM CULLEN: We were coming
back one night, in the
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evening, late night,
probably 11:00 o'clock or so.
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Coming up Highway 59 and
we encountered
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this craft in front of us.
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Looked like it was about
100 foot long,
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it looked like a cigar.
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There were some
lights on it.
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Shatner: Tim stops
for a better view.
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Whatever it is moves
like nothing on earth.
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TIM CULLEN: It crossed the
road, it crossed over the
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fence and under the
telephone lines and the
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next thing you know, Bingo
- it's kind of by the car,
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and then it's
back up here.
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My wife and I sat there
and two lights came on.
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They're really bright
could like see my
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peripheral vision
was kind of gone.
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Shatner: Time seems to stand
still for Tim and his wife.
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TIM CULLEN: After the
lights came on, and my
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wife and I were sitting
there in the car for what
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I perceive as four
or five minutes.
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It was a mind-bending
experience for me at the time.
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We sat there wondering
what to do, you know,
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thinking about it, and
then I looked at
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the wife and said, let's go.
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Shatner: When they arrive
home, they discover
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they've been gone - not
for minutes, but hours.
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Tim can't account
for the lost time.
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TIM CULLEN: There was lots
of things that may have
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happened, you know, I
don't know, but missing
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time, I don't get
to remember it.
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It does make it
interesting for me.
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Shatner: There is one
thing Tim is sure of.
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He was taken on board
an alien spaceship and
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implanted with
the metal object.
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Shatner: Why?
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TIM CULLEN: The aliens
want to interfere with my
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thoughts processes
for some reason.
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It's a form of
mind control.
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You know, we're not the
only intelligent mortal
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life form in
this universe.
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It makes me wonder
why, why me?
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And I truly do.
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Uh, I'll never
get over it.
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William Shatner: This
is Weird - or What.
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A guy doing some simple
DIY ends up finding this
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thing inside him.
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Can Tim Cullen be right?
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Was this device created by
an extra terrestrial then
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implanted in his arm
during an alien abduction
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and used somehow to
control his mind?
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It's an incredible
concept, isn't it?
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But I have an even more
important question - when
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will they be on
sale at Radio Shack?
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Shatner: What happened
to Tim Cullen?
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Did an alien life form
implant a device inside
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him to control his mind?
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Ex-police officer Derrel
Sims is known as
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the Alien Hunter.
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He counsels people who
claim they've been
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abducted by
extraterrestrials.
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DERREL SIMS: Our abductees
range from everything from
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housewives, to husbands
to - they're hard working
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people, we've got three
NASA scientists that are
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abductees, one of
them with implants.
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Shatner: He's convinced
Tim's UFO experience was
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not only real - it
wasn't his first.
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DERREL SIMS: He's a
typical individual that
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had no clue what was going
on, I suspect his events
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started much younger on in
his life, many people who
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find out they're an
abductee later in life
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don't realize that they've
had events long before,
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most of the time.
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Shatner: But why did Tim
have no memory of what happened?
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DERREL SIMS: Once the
encounter takes place they
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leave on the individual
what is called a screen
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memory, this is often
the true false memory syndrome.
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They leave an imagery and
thoughts and feelings with you.
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The majority of them are
not pleasant experiences.
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Shatner: Despite this,
Tim knew something
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inexplicable was happening
to his body - and his mind.
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TIM CULLEN: For the first
20 years, when I had the
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implant in my body I
believe I was smarter,
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my mental function was
greatly enhanced.
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I believe the implant was
there to, uh, uh,
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mentally stimulate me.
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Shatner: The implant
was affecting his
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neurotransmitters -
chemicals that regulate
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mood, behavior and other
critical functions in the brain.
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DERREL SIMS: Abductees
often feel why am I having
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these feelings.
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Their levels of serotonin
and dopamine are being
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altered as one
psychologist told me, says
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anyone that can do that to
you, I don't care who that
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is, they own you.
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They own your emotions,
they own everything about you.
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Shatner: Sims says
implants don't just change
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the way the brain works -
they actually record
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what it's doing.
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DERREL SIMS: They're there
to do a job and one of the
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things they're to do is to
collect huge amounts of
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information particularly
emotions, enormous amounts
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of emotions, s huge wide
variety and span of
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emotions and to collect
them and to bring them back.
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Shatner: But why would
aliens implant these
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devices in humans?
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DERREL SIMS: That's the
sixty-four thousand
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dollar question.
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Everybody's focusing on
the wrong thing, that's
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what bothers me.
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I come from an
intelligence background,
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the whole thing is an
intelligence problem,
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it always has been.
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Shatner: Did aliens try to
control Timothy Cullen?
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Or is the true explanation
more down to earth?
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MICHAEL SHERMER: NASA
knows where every bolt is
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floating around up there.
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Shatner: A mysterious
object is found in a man's arm.
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Was it inserted by
extra-terrestrials in
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order to control him?
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Dr. Michael Shermer is the
publisher of Skeptic magazine.
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He's spent 30 years
investigating alien stories.
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MICHAEL SHERMER: The Tim
Cullen story has been
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around for a long
time in UFO lore.
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You hear about these
implants with alleged
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micro circuitry and
things like that.
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I've never seen one.
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I've never seen a
published article about this.
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I've never heard of a
scientist examining
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anything like that.
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Of all the implants that
have been tested that I've
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seen, rigorously tested,
they've all concluded that
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these were natural
earth bound artifacts -
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shrapnel, piece of metal,
splinter, that kind of thing.
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Uh, not any kind of
extraterrestrial.
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Shatner: Dr. Shermer has
studied video of Tim's surgery.
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He saw nothing to suggest
the object
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was controlling his brain.
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MICHAEL SHERMER: Seeing
the video of the surgeon
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removing it, it didn't
look like that at all to me.
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It looked like it was
actually quite loose in
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there because as he was
poking the tongues in
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there to grab it, it
was moving around.
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It didn't look connected
to any nerves at all.
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Shatner: But what about
the strange membrane
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the doctor found?
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MICHAEL SHERMER: We do
know that something that's
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been in the body for a long
time gets coated by the body.
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It's a way of
protecting itself.
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That may look metal when
you see it but it's just
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actually some other
organic material.
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And I suspect
that's all it is.
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Shatner: Was Tim
making it all up?
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Not necessarily.
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Dr. Shermer is sure Tim
had some kind of traumatic
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experience - but pop
culture made him
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blame it on ET's.
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MICHAEL SHERMER: In the
middle ages the narratives
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talk about demons 'cause
they lived in
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a demon haunted world.
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Two hundred years ago, a
hundred and fifty years
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ago, these were
poltergeists and ghosts
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'cause that's the
world they lived in.
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Our century? Aliens.
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So our anomalous
psychological experiences
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are interpreted
through that filter.
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Shatner: Colin Ross is a
psychiatrist specializing
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in severe mental trauma.
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He agrees something was
trying to control
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Tim Cullen - but it
wasn't aliens.
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COLIN ROSS: I get
contacted quite regularly
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by email and mail, by
people who absolutely
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firmly believe that
they're being monitored
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and controlled remotely by
the CIA, the military or
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the government.
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They'll describe how they
were involved in the
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military, how they had a
security clearance, they
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got in some sort of beef
with some other person and
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then it all started.
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Shatner: But how could
the government control
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someone's brain?
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COLIN ROSS: It's a known
fact that from the
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documents and this is
going back 40, 50 years
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now, that you can control
somebody's behaviour
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remotely by activating an
electrode that's in their brain.
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It's not a conspiracy theory,
it's a medical proven fact.
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Shatner: Dr. Ross says the
origins of mind-control
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technology began from a
desire to tap the skills
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of German scientists
smuggled into the US after
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World War II.
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COLIN ROSS: Operation
Paper Clip is one of a
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series of projects that
was created by the CIA,
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uh, after the second World
War, it was to get control
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of the German scientists.
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So the US government
wanted to bring a lot of
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expertise over to the
United States, rocket
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engineers, ball bearing
manufacturers, film,
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whatever it might be and
brought them into the
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United States for
use in research.
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Shatner: One of them,
Dr. Wernher Von Braun,
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helped the Americans take
the lead in the space race.
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Did another German
scientist give the US the
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edge in mind control?
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Dr. Ross thinks so - and
that the US is still using
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the technology.
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COLIN ROSS: I'm quite
confident that there must
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be military and CIA
implanted chips in people
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around the world, for
various purposes.
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Shatner: But why would
the US government want to
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control people's minds?
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Simple - to achieve global
domination by turning
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ordinary people into
fearless assassins,
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activated by
remote control.
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COLIN ROSS: The way you
control behaviour is kind
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of two fold, the electrode
can actually activate part
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of your brain, or you can
hypnotically
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condition a person.
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So the idea is you
condition the person to
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have this new identity
inside, who's hidden
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behind an amnesia barrier,
you call them out with a
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hypnotic code, give them
the assignment, they go
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back inside, they carry
out the assignment.
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If the out front person is
captured and interrogated,
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has no information, no
memory of it whatsoever.
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Shatner: Was Timothy
Cullen being groomed as a
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covert government
assassin?
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Are aliens trying to
control his brain?
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Or did he just imagine
the whole thing?
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Whatever the truth,
it's Weird or What.
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Shatner: A séance turns a
housewife into
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a literary genius.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: She
only has an 8th grade
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education, which
is quite amazing.
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William Shatner: Hi, I'm
just trying to
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contact the spirits.
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I'll be with
you in a moment.
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l...
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WTF LOL ...means
nothing to me.
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But do Ouija
boards really work?
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Millions think so.
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It was invented as a
harmless parlour game over
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a century ago.
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Since then it's become a
tool regarded by many as
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the only genuine way we
can communicate with the dead.
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Well, they're dead wrong.
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There's another way - and
it won't just give you a
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few random letters - but
enough to fill entire libraries.
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All you need is your mind.
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Shatner: July 8th, 1913.
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St Louis, Missouri.
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At the height of the
progessive era, the
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suffrage movement is
working to bring women the
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vote and unshackle them
from traditional roles.
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One of the newly liberated
women is housewife
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Pearl Lenore Curran, who is
enjoying a visit
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from her neighbour.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: Pearl
Curran was born in 1883,
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she only has an 8th grade
education, she wasn't
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really passionate
about anything.
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Shatner: Physicist and
author Dr. Jan Vandersande
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is an expert on mediums
and psychic phenomena.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: She
didn't read much, she
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didn't travel much.
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So here you have a lady
who's, let's put it this way,
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boring.
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Shatner: The fashion of
the day, Pearl and her
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friend are playing with
a Ouija Board, trying to
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contact spirits.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: A Ouija
board is a board where all
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the letters of the
alphabet are in a circle.
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And in the centre you
put a glass upside down.
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And then you have about
two or three people in the
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room put their hands on
the glass and if someone
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there is a medium, the
glass will
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start spelling out words.
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Shatner: Despite many
attempts, they fail to
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raise the dead.
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But Pearl is persuaded
to try one last time.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: They
were playing and all of a
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sudden, the thing
really started moving .
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There was no way where she
knew where it was going.
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The spirits were using her
to move the planchette on
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the Ouija board.
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Shatner: Someone,
or something, is
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communicating with them.
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The glass begins to
spell out a message.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: "Many
moons ago I lived.
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Again I come.
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Patience Worth
my name, wait.
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I would speak with thee.
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Good friends,
let us be merry.
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The time for
work is passed.
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Let the tabby drows and blinker
wisdom to the fire log."
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Now that is not
normal English.
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Shatner: They are
connecting with someone
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named Patience Worth.
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Who was she?
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JAN VANDERSANDE: Patience
Worth claimed she was born
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in 1649 in rural
Dorchester, in England.
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And, uh, when she was
about 30, she claimed she
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came to the US in
Nantucket and there when
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she was 44 or 45, she was
killed by the Indians.
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Shatner: Patience's
essence is overwhelming.
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She is so powerful Pearl
suddenly realises she no
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longer needs
the Ouija board.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: She
starts getting the words
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before the thing
even moves.
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So that's how she knew
she was the medium she's
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hearing the, the voices
and the dictation from,
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from Patience.
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And she was seeing images,
pictures while she was
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getting Patience
talk to her.
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And that would then
was then written down.
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So that's how
she developed.
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Shatner: Over the coming
months, Pearl's literary
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output is prolific.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: Patience
dictated seven books,
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thousands of poems, short
stories, it's incredible.
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Shatner: Her stories
are filled with obscure
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details of 17th century
life - things she simply
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could not have known.
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Pearl publishes her work.
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The critics love it.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: For
example, the New York
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Tribune, New York Tribune,
you know, it's a famous
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paper, review of her book
called Hope True Blood,
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"a work approximating
absolute genius."
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Lady's Pictorial of
London: "This book will
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stand as a landmark of
fiction by a new writer
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who will take a prominent
place among great writers."
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Shatner: Pearl's unlikely
transformation attracts
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the attention of skeptical
scientists, who seek a
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rational explanation.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: Dr.
Franklin Prince, he
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has a PhD from Yale and
he was the head of the
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American Society for
Psychical Research, they
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asked him to
investigate her.
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So he spent several weeks
interviewing her, sitting
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in on her sessions
when she was writing.
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Shatner: But the doctor
finds no evidence of
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deception.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: His
conclusions were that
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Mrs. Curren was not, was
not fraudulent and she was
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not, nuts or
anything like that.
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She was a normal person.
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Shatner: Patience and
Pearl's ghost writing
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partnership continues for
almost a quarter of a
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century - until 1937
when, in an eerie twist,
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Patience uses her final
message to deliver a
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chilling prediction.
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JAN VANDERSANDE: Patience
actually told her in her
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the last communication
that the end was drawing near.
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And all of a sudden she
got sick and she died.
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There's no doubt about it,
in my mind, this is a case
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of mental mediumship where
spirits communicate with her.
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William Shatner: It's
an incredible story.
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You know, people often
ask me if I use a ghost
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writer, with all these
memoirs and novels and
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poetry that I've
published over the years.
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I'm not ashamed
to say I do.
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Not that I couldn't do it
all by myself, obviously,
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I'm a busy guy with
a busy schedule.
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As is Fred. He's very talented.
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Whatcha got going
for me today?
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I told you - stay off of
Facebook when you're on
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working hours Fred.
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I want you to send
a note to my wife.
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Tell her I'm with
her in spirit.
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Shatner: How did Pearl
Curran write so accurately
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about things she
knew nothing about?
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Can paranormal entities
take over our minds?
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Shatner: Professor Stephen
Braude is an expert on
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parapsychology and editor
in chief of the
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Journal of Scientific
Exploration.
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STEPHEN BRAUDE: I
personally don't think
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Pearl Curran was
channeling an entity
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Patience Worth.
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The character Patience
Worth provided very few
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clues about her
alleged earthly life.
486
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,530
Just that she lived in
the 17th Century, around
487
00:22:50,667 --> 00:22:53,627
Dorset in England, at some
point came to the U.S.
488
00:22:53,767 --> 00:22:56,767
and was killed in some kind of
battle with Native Americans.
489
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:57,970
That's pretty
much all we know.
490
00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,870
So there's very
little evidence.
491
00:23:00,066 --> 00:23:03,166
Shatner: So who was
the literary genius?
492
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:07,330
For Braude, the answer
is easy - Pearl Curran.
493
00:23:07,467 --> 00:23:09,427
STEPHEN BRAUDE: My best
guess about the
494
00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:11,067
Patience Worth case is
that Pearl Curran was a kind of
495
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,430
dissociative virtuoso.
496
00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:14,627
Somebody who could go into
a kind of altered state,
497
00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:17,067
and in that state, access
various abilities and
498
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,130
reservoirs of knowledge
that ordinarily, were not
499
00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:22,226
at her disposal.
500
00:23:22,367 --> 00:23:25,597
In Pearl's case I think
she went into a kind of
501
00:23:25,734 --> 00:23:27,774
light trance at the
Ouija board, a kind of
502
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:30,470
dissociative state, and in
that state she was able to
503
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,500
by-pass certain barriers
to creativity she had
504
00:23:34,633 --> 00:23:37,303
erected through
most of her life.
505
00:23:37,433 --> 00:23:38,773
Shatner: Was Pearl Curran
a world-class writer -
506
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,370
without even knowing it?
507
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,170
If so, Braude's theory
leaves a nagging question.
508
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:47,470
STEPHEN BRAUDE: One of the
main and lingering puzzles
509
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,270
about the case, is how
Pearl Curran, acquired the
510
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,600
knowledge that she did of
life in England during the
511
00:23:55,734 --> 00:23:57,934
Victorian era so that she
could write her novel,
512
00:23:58,066 --> 00:23:59,426
HOPE TRUE BLOOD.
513
00:23:59,567 --> 00:24:02,597
It's possible that she
might have encountered
514
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,974
some of the materials
through her everyday life.
515
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:09,830
My suggestion about this
is that Pearl Curran had
516
00:24:09,967 --> 00:24:12,027
some latent and quite
formidable linguistic
517
00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:13,726
talents which were just
waiting for the proper
518
00:24:13,867 --> 00:24:18,697
time to nurture them
and to bring them out.
519
00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:21,434
Shatner: Was Patience
Worth just the name Pearl
520
00:24:21,567 --> 00:24:23,767
Curran gave to
her inner author?
521
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:25,070
Shatner: How did she know
so much about things she
522
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,930
hadn't experienced?
523
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,126
CYNTHIA LARSON: She was
just getting it directly
524
00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:30,326
from that time,
from that space.
525
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,530
Shatner: A poorly educated
housewife becomes a
526
00:24:40,667 --> 00:24:43,167
literary master.
527
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:47,270
Did she possess
hidden talents?
528
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Cynthia Larson
doesn't think so.
529
00:24:49,734 --> 00:24:52,834
She's an author and expert
on the physics of reality
530
00:24:52,967 --> 00:24:54,927
- the building blocks of
everything we know
531
00:24:55,066 --> 00:24:57,596
and experience.
532
00:24:57,734 --> 00:24:59,334
CYNTHIA LARSON: The
Pearl Curran story is
533
00:24:59,467 --> 00:25:02,097
extraordinary and when I
first heard about it I was
534
00:25:02,233 --> 00:25:05,773
amazed with the syntax,
the language and the
535
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:08,030
everyday experiences.
536
00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:09,996
Shatner: How did Pearl
access this ancient
537
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:14,033
knowledge in
perfect detail?
538
00:25:14,166 --> 00:25:15,666
Quantum physics,
of course.
539
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,330
CYNTHIA LARSON: My theory
about Pearl Curran is that
540
00:25:17,467 --> 00:25:19,967
she was quantum
jumping back in time.
541
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:21,530
If you can imagine this
universe as consisting of
542
00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:25,327
many parallel
alternate realities.
543
00:25:25,467 --> 00:25:27,527
Then what you're doing is
actually choosing which
544
00:25:27,667 --> 00:25:29,497
one of those you
want to go to.
545
00:25:29,633 --> 00:25:30,903
Establishing a kind of
connection to it, through
546
00:25:31,033 --> 00:25:33,903
some meditative process
and then bringing the
547
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,733
correct energy to it
to make that jump.
548
00:25:36,867 --> 00:25:38,867
Shatner: In addition to
alternate realities,
549
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,230
Larson thinks quantum
jumps can take us both
550
00:25:41,367 --> 00:25:44,227
backward and
forward in time.
551
00:25:44,367 --> 00:25:45,597
CYNTHIA LARSON: Usually
when we think of time
552
00:25:45,734 --> 00:25:47,974
travel we think in terms
of time being linear.
553
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,900
What is extremely
different about quantum
554
00:25:50,033 --> 00:25:51,803
jumping is that we are
working with the theory
555
00:25:51,934 --> 00:25:55,404
that we have many worlds,
many alternate realities.
556
00:25:55,533 --> 00:25:57,833
That means there were many
possible beginnings, we're
557
00:25:57,967 --> 00:26:01,867
right now moving towards
many possible futures.
558
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,200
Shatner: Quantum jumping
into the past might
559
00:26:04,333 --> 00:26:08,203
explain how Pearl wrote
with such vivid detail.
560
00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:09,973
Shatner: But how
did she do it?
561
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,330
CYNTHIA LARSON: When
people have this
562
00:26:11,467 --> 00:26:13,327
experience they often are
in a meditative state.
563
00:26:13,467 --> 00:26:17,167
I think what Pearl was
able to do by staying in
564
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:21,500
that mind set, she was
literally making what you
565
00:26:21,633 --> 00:26:23,833
might call a quantum
jump, into that reality.
566
00:26:23,967 --> 00:26:25,667
That for her it was
extremely real, and so
567
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,300
when the words came
through it wasn't
568
00:26:28,433 --> 00:26:29,733
something that she was
interpreting, she was just
569
00:26:29,867 --> 00:26:33,397
getting it directly from
that time, from that space.
570
00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:35,533
What makes Pearl Curran's
story so believable is we
571
00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:37,797
can see that she was
clearly connecting with
572
00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:41,204
very definite
times and spaces.
573
00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:43,873
Shatner: Did Pearl Curran
access some hidden talent
574
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000
to write her novels?
575
00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:50,573
Or was she quantum leaping
back and forth through time?
576
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:52,470
Shatner: Psychic Ellie
Crystal sees no need to
577
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,470
dispute Curran's
version of events.
578
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,400
ELLIE CRYSTAL: Pearl
could not have known the
579
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,473
information that she
was writing about.
580
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,130
She did not have access to
the computer technologies
581
00:27:02,266 --> 00:27:04,126
we have today.
582
00:27:04,266 --> 00:27:07,966
Pearl wrote all her books
based on her connections
583
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,500
with the collective
unconscious and an entity
584
00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:13,373
she called Patience Worth.
585
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,270
Shatner: But how was she
able to contact this spirit?
586
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,330
Crystal is certain that
Pearl was, like herself,
587
00:27:19,467 --> 00:27:21,927
a psychic.
588
00:27:22,066 --> 00:27:23,466
ELLIE CRYSTAL: As a
psychic, you're moving
589
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,330
your consciousness from
this reality to another
590
00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:28,567
reality getting information
and bringing it back.
591
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,030
Shatner: To show just how
easy it is to tap into
592
00:27:30,166 --> 00:27:32,796
information from the dead
- Crystal is going to
593
00:27:32,934 --> 00:27:35,074
demonstrate - by
contacting the spirit of
594
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,970
none other than
...Pearl Curran.
595
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,800
ELLIE CRYSTAL: The energy
of Pearl is still in the grids.
596
00:27:50,133 --> 00:27:51,573
Pearl is saying...
597
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,370
she is showing
me two keys.
598
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,870
Beautiful gold keys.
599
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,770
She's writing now.
600
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,570
Shatner: Crystal says this
kind of channeling is
601
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,870
called "automatic
writing."
602
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,130
ELLIE CRYSTAL: The
waters will be big...
603
00:28:06,266 --> 00:28:11,666
The land areas will fall.
604
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,500
When I'm doing automatic
writing I just let my hand
605
00:28:13,633 --> 00:28:16,273
go across the page and
write whatever - whatever
606
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,530
comes out and it just
goes, and goes, and goes
607
00:28:19,667 --> 00:28:21,897
to a point where you just
have this feeling
608
00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:23,773
of being complete.
609
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:26,170
And then you look down and
you see what you wrote.
610
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,170
Shatner: Is this how Pearl
wrote her best-sellers?
611
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,930
ELLIE CRYSTAL: Automatic
writing is something you
612
00:28:31,066 --> 00:28:34,466
come back to all the time
and you keep writing
613
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,600
and writing.
614
00:28:35,734 --> 00:28:37,804
It can get very
addictive also.
615
00:28:37,934 --> 00:28:40,434
Shatner: Did Pearl Curran
travel back in time and
616
00:28:40,567 --> 00:28:43,297
report what she saw?
617
00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:45,473
Did she contact a
long-dead spirit to write
618
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,300
her novels?
619
00:28:47,433 --> 00:28:50,973
Or was she tapping into an
ability she never knew she had?
620
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,530
We may never know.
621
00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:54,927
Weird... or What?
622
00:29:07,934 --> 00:29:10,074
Shatner: In California, a
woman causes machines -
623
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,730
and people -
to go haywire.
624
00:29:12,867 --> 00:29:14,497
CHERYL WELSH: Electrical
equipment didn't work
625
00:29:14,633 --> 00:29:16,833
anymore, my
computer, my tv.
626
00:29:26,467 --> 00:29:29,497
William Shatner:
Oh my God.
627
00:29:29,633 --> 00:29:32,033
You know I wish I had one
of these when I was a kid.
628
00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:36,826
Isn't this amazing? Wooh!
629
00:29:36,967 --> 00:29:38,067
It's hard to
believe, isn't it?
630
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:44,030
I can control every
movement of this tiny
631
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:51,366
device - up...yeah and
watch this, down...up.
632
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:54,100
I have complete power over
it - I can make it perform
633
00:29:54,233 --> 00:30:00,133
even the most intricate
of maneuvers - without even...
634
00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:02,026
Guess I need
more practice.
635
00:30:02,166 --> 00:30:05,066
Wireless devices like this
are no longer a novelty -
636
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,730
but what if instead of
a helicopter you could
637
00:30:07,867 --> 00:30:11,267
control - someone's brain
- now that would make for
638
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,130
an interesting story.
Here it is.
639
00:30:16,266 --> 00:30:19,126
Shatner: September, 1988.
640
00:30:19,266 --> 00:30:21,166
It is the start of the
fall semester at the
641
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,000
University of California
Davis - where Cheryl Welsh
642
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:27,373
is beginning life
as a law student.
643
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:29,400
CHERYL WELSH: I grew up in
Sacramento California,
644
00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:33,803
I was a receptionist at
Kaiser Hospital for 10 years.
645
00:30:33,934 --> 00:30:36,104
I decided that I wanted to
go back to school
646
00:30:36,233 --> 00:30:38,973
and so I went to UC Davis.
647
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,830
Shatner: But as her studies get
underway, things change.
648
00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:47,227
CHERYL WELSH: I know what
normal life is and life
649
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:50,497
became very abnormal.
650
00:30:50,633 --> 00:30:52,373
Shatner: It starts
with her telephone.
651
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:53,970
CHERYL WELSH: Usually you
pick up a phone, you hear
652
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,170
dial tone...but my
phone...there would be
653
00:30:56,300 --> 00:31:05,370
click noises, there'd be a
long pause - then static.
654
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,100
Shatner: She has it
checked, but the strange
655
00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:08,703
noises continue.
656
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:11,434
Cheryl becomes concerned.
657
00:31:11,567 --> 00:31:13,627
Shatner: It's the first
of many appliances that
658
00:31:13,767 --> 00:31:16,367
behave erratically
in her presence.
659
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:17,670
CHERYL WELSH: Things in my
environment, all of the
660
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,470
electrical equipment
didn't work anymore, my
661
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,570
computer, my TV.
662
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,770
Shatner: Her unease grows
as she discovers it's not
663
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,230
only machines that act
strangely around her .
664
00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:34,267
CHERYL WELSH: Police cars
started to follow me.
665
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,170
I had a rock
thrown at my car.
666
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,930
Somebody tried to
drive me off the road.
667
00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:39,166
I mean, I've never
had a ticket.
668
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:42,000
I've never taken drugs.
669
00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:43,033
People in my environment
were acting out of
670
00:31:43,166 --> 00:31:44,626
character.
671
00:31:44,767 --> 00:31:47,497
I was acting my normal
self, and people were
672
00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:49,103
acting weird.
673
00:31:49,233 --> 00:31:52,073
People turned against me,
people would stare at you.
674
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,370
And students would
swear and spit on me.
675
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,230
Shatner: Weirder still,
random strangers on the
676
00:32:00,367 --> 00:32:02,927
street seem to know
exactly what she's thinking.
677
00:32:03,066 --> 00:32:04,896
CHERYL WELSH: I felt like
I was surveiled, I thought
678
00:32:05,033 --> 00:32:08,773
somebody could
read my thoughts.
679
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,470
Shatner: Cheryl's personal
life falls apart as
680
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,300
friends and
family drift away.
681
00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:16,103
Then, she's fired
from her job.
682
00:32:16,233 --> 00:32:17,673
CHERYL WELSH: It was like
shock and awe for three
683
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,130
years it was like that.
684
00:32:21,266 --> 00:32:24,096
I realized, you know, this
wasn't going to go away,
685
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,833
despite my best efforts.
686
00:32:25,967 --> 00:32:27,927
That was a really
depressing, blackest
687
00:32:28,066 --> 00:32:29,726
moment of my life.
688
00:32:29,867 --> 00:32:32,127
I just cried and cried and
cried, I thought, why not
689
00:32:32,266 --> 00:32:33,766
just end it?
690
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:38,570
Shatner: Fearing for her
sanity, Cheryl seeks help.
691
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,330
CHERYL WELSH: So I went
to my adviser and I was
692
00:32:41,467 --> 00:32:42,827
having trouble
academically.
693
00:32:42,967 --> 00:32:45,367
And so he helped me get
through this and, um, he
694
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,530
was the only one
that believed me.
695
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:51,027
Her adviser comes to a
quick conclusion:
696
00:32:51,166 --> 00:32:54,026
Cheryl is the victim of a
deliberate and organized
697
00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:56,926
campaign of harassment.
698
00:32:57,066 --> 00:32:59,226
But who is behind it?
699
00:32:59,367 --> 00:33:00,667
CHERYL WELSH: First we
checked out, we thought
700
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,300
maybe there's a psychology
experiment they're trying
701
00:33:02,433 --> 00:33:04,173
to stress you out.
702
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:06,330
There was no
psychology experiment.
703
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:08,527
So I hired private
investigators and I tried
704
00:33:08,667 --> 00:33:11,627
to figure out if there
were any bugs in my apartment.
705
00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:12,997
Nothing.
706
00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:14,973
I'm talking to my adviser,
we both figured only the
707
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,800
government would have the
kind, this kind of control
708
00:33:16,934 --> 00:33:19,374
over your telephone,
or what you did in the
709
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,200
privacy of your apartment.
710
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,803
Shatner: Deciding to
investigate, Cheryl gains
711
00:33:23,934 --> 00:33:25,974
access to government
documents.
712
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,130
They reveal the
unthinkable: a top-secret
713
00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:32,096
experiment is subjecting
everyday citizens - to
714
00:33:32,233 --> 00:33:36,473
mind control.
715
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,100
CHERYL WELSH: Major
countries have developed
716
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:39,833
this secret mind control
technology, especially
717
00:33:39,967 --> 00:33:41,827
Russia and the
United States.
718
00:33:41,967 --> 00:33:43,697
Shatner: She's convinced
the people who harassed
719
00:33:43,834 --> 00:33:47,374
her were under mind control
- and didn't even know it.
720
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:48,870
CHERYL WELSH: Somebody is
making them do things, you
721
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,070
know against, without
their knowing it.
722
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Shatner: But why
choose Cheryl?
723
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,603
CHERYL WELSH: You're going
to need to experiment on a
724
00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:57,504
lot of people, you can't
do it ethically, so you're
725
00:33:57,633 --> 00:34:00,373
going to do it
covertly, you know.
726
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,170
Shatner: She thinks she
knows what put her on the
727
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,670
government's radar.
728
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,030
CHERYL WELSH: Before I
went to UC Davis I went to
729
00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:06,726
the Army
recruiting office.
730
00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:09,227
I filled out the forms, I
put in my application, but
731
00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:11,027
I went to UC
Davis instead.
732
00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:15,266
And then after that was
when this happened.
733
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,970
After networking with
other victims, they have
734
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,200
that connection, former
people who applied to the
735
00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:22,703
CIA, former people who
have relatives in the, in
736
00:34:22,834 --> 00:34:27,204
the government or the
CIA are often targets.
737
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:29,533
Shatner: Are the minds of
innocent citizens being
738
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:31,067
controlled by
government-sanctioned
739
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,670
experiments?
740
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,870
Is Cheryl Welsh
telling the truth?
741
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,030
Or are her claims absurd
- just another conspiracy
742
00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:41,026
theory that's
impossible to prove?
743
00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:45,966
Shatner: Maybe - but not
if you listen to Nick Begich.
744
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:47,230
NICK BEGICH: I think
there's some good evidence
745
00:34:47,367 --> 00:34:49,667
that um, Cheryl Welch and
many of the other people
746
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,470
I've spoken with um have
been victimized by this
747
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,000
electromagnetic mind
control experiments.
748
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:57,633
The weapons of this
century aren't bombs and
749
00:34:57,767 --> 00:34:59,597
bullets and ordinance.
750
00:34:59,734 --> 00:35:01,804
But electromagnetic energy
targeting the human being,
751
00:35:01,934 --> 00:35:04,434
which is a greatest
revolution in military
752
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,897
affairs, um,
since gunpowder.
753
00:35:08,033 --> 00:35:11,473
Shatner: Begich is an expert in
government mind control.
754
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,430
He is convinced the
Pentagon has mastered a
755
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:16,597
technology once thought to
be science fiction: the
756
00:35:16,734 --> 00:35:20,174
ability to broadcast
information directly into
757
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:23,500
the human brain.
758
00:35:23,633 --> 00:35:26,303
NICK BEGICH: Our
government began spending
759
00:35:26,433 --> 00:35:28,073
a lot of time looking at
how to modify behaviour of
760
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,630
human beings, going
back to the Korean War.
761
00:35:30,767 --> 00:35:33,727
In fact, in a publication,
Low Intensity Conflict and
762
00:35:33,867 --> 00:35:36,567
Modern Technology,
they have a chapter on
763
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,170
electromagnetic weapons
systems being able to not
764
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,670
just to dehabilitate
someone but actually even
765
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,530
to stimulate certain
activities within the brain.
766
00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:46,027
Shatner: But how?
767
00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:48,566
NICK BEGICH: HAARP is the
High Frequency Active
768
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:50,070
Aurora Research Project,
which started as a joint
769
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,530
effort of the Air
Force and Navy.
770
00:35:51,667 --> 00:35:55,127
This is a very large array
or field of antennas based
771
00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:57,896
in Alaska, radio
frequency antennas.
772
00:35:58,033 --> 00:36:00,573
Shatner: HAARP antennas
transmit powerful radio
773
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,670
signals into the upper
atmosphere to study the
774
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,930
effects on wireless
communications.
775
00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:09,426
But Begich says HAARP can
also be used for more
776
00:36:09,567 --> 00:36:11,597
sinister ends .
777
00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,004
NICK BEGICH: HAARP has
announced several of their
778
00:36:13,133 --> 00:36:16,073
programs and campaigns,
and there's two areas that
779
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,030
I got very
concerned about.
780
00:36:18,166 --> 00:36:20,926
One was weather
modification applications.
781
00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:25,966
The other was the
effect on human beings.
782
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,200
If you can modulate a
signal, that, that the
783
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:31,773
brain locks on to,
recognizes, and begins to
784
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:35,670
mirror, or follow the
frequency, following response.
785
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,730
The brain rhythms change,
then that creates a
786
00:36:37,867 --> 00:36:40,927
chemical cascade within the
brain and the emotions change.
787
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:43,966
Now the resolution gets
finer and finer and finer.
788
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,070
And it used to just be
about triggering emotions.
789
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,770
You could change peoples'
brain chemistry pretty
790
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,230
readily, change their
emotional state pretty easily.
791
00:36:52,367 --> 00:36:53,967
But when you get down to
the idea of thoughts, and
792
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,300
being able to manipulate
those, that requires a
793
00:36:56,433 --> 00:36:58,803
much...a different
kind of sophistication.
794
00:36:58,934 --> 00:37:03,804
Shatner: Can we hear sounds -
without using our ears?
795
00:37:03,934 --> 00:37:05,834
Not only is it possible,
says Begich - he can prove
796
00:37:05,967 --> 00:37:09,567
it, using sound
recordist Brad Dawe.
797
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,370
NICK BEGICH: So what I'm
going to demonstrate is an
798
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:12,930
earth pulse sound wave.
799
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:14,926
And what this is is
an infrasound device.
800
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,166
It's just a small
electronic circuit that we
801
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,830
run a cd player playing
some Bach into our circuit
802
00:37:20,967 --> 00:37:24,767
and then comes out through
two piezoelectric transducers.
803
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:26,970
So I'm going to place this
transducers on your face,
804
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,500
you're going to block
your ears tightly.
805
00:37:28,633 --> 00:37:33,333
We put those in contact
with the skin and listen.
806
00:37:33,467 --> 00:37:35,727
BRAD DAWE: Yup.
807
00:37:35,867 --> 00:37:37,097
NICK BEGICH: So
what do you hear?
808
00:37:37,233 --> 00:37:38,873
BRAD DAWE: I hear the
music, yeah, loudly.
809
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,400
NICK BEGICH: Right in the
center of their forehead,
810
00:37:40,533 --> 00:37:42,933
inside their head they'll
hear Bach, just like they
811
00:37:43,066 --> 00:37:45,996
would with their ears but
the ears aren't involved.
812
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:48,103
NICK BEGICH: Now, I can
take this away, if you'd
813
00:37:48,233 --> 00:37:51,833
hold this on there with
one finger and then we'll
814
00:37:51,967 --> 00:37:54,267
show that this current
actually can transit.
815
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,730
So it only works when I
touch your head or when I
816
00:37:56,867 --> 00:37:58,927
touch your skin.
817
00:37:59,066 --> 00:38:01,396
Essentially the current is
going through both of us
818
00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:02,903
but the signal does not
go down, it maintains
819
00:38:03,033 --> 00:38:05,103
the same volume.
820
00:38:05,233 --> 00:38:06,433
BRAD DAWE: It wasn't
through my ears at all, it
821
00:38:06,567 --> 00:38:08,197
was basically...it felt
like it was coming from
822
00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:10,433
the middle of my head...no
direction...and it was
823
00:38:10,567 --> 00:38:14,867
clear so not through my
ears at all which was
824
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,200
pretty cool.
825
00:38:16,333 --> 00:38:17,573
NICK BEGICH: Now we can
do this wirelessly with
826
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,570
microwaves so there's lots
of ways to do it and this
827
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,870
just gives a very simple
sort of workbench model
828
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
that gives the principle
so people can understand,
829
00:38:26,133 --> 00:38:32,233
yeah you can really do it.
830
00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:34,167
William Shatner: Don't you
just love death-metal?
831
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,500
I've got a head
banger award.
832
00:38:36,633 --> 00:38:39,103
Now this is a fascinating
theory - but there's just
833
00:38:39,233 --> 00:38:40,403
one problem.
834
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:43,573
I'm not sure these
piezoelectric tranducers
835
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,400
are going to catch on as
a fashion accessory - and
836
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:52,273
frankly I don't even know
what piezoelectric means.
837
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,630
But if we're to believe
Begich - the government
838
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:59,427
don't even need these -
they're tapping directly
839
00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:02,067
into our minds -
controlling us with
840
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,070
powerful, invisible
microwaves that can alter
841
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,200
the very way we think and
act, making us believe
842
00:39:07,333 --> 00:39:10,703
anything they
want us to....
843
00:39:10,834 --> 00:39:14,674
And that's just
the Republicans.
844
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,900
Shatner: Is the government
manipulating our minds -
845
00:39:17,033 --> 00:39:19,073
wirelessly?
846
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,470
Or does the answer
lie elsewhere?
847
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,230
Ryan Fuller: There's some kind
of organization out to get them.
848
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:34,500
Shatner: A California
woman suffers a brutal
849
00:39:34,633 --> 00:39:37,933
campaign of harassment.
850
00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:38,966
Is the government trying
to control her mind?
851
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,830
Clinical psychologist
852
00:39:42,967 --> 00:39:45,567
J. Ryan Fuller believes
Cheryl's experience isn't
853
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:48,770
due to harassment -
but mental illness.
854
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,400
RYAN FULLER: When I heard
of some of the things that
855
00:39:50,533 --> 00:39:52,803
were described, um,
certainly bring to mind
856
00:39:52,934 --> 00:39:55,234
the kinds of content that
sometimes people with
857
00:39:55,367 --> 00:39:58,067
psychotic disorders have.
858
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,730
Shatner: He thinks Cheryl
has a classic case of
859
00:39:59,867 --> 00:40:03,867
"delusional disorder."
860
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,800
RYAN FULLER: A delusional
disorder is a particular
861
00:40:05,934 --> 00:40:07,204
type of psychotic
disorder, where there's
862
00:40:07,333 --> 00:40:08,933
going to be a false belief
that's held very,
863
00:40:09,066 --> 00:40:10,396
very strongly.
864
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,873
So I might believe that my
mother in law is trying to
865
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,900
poison me with
her cooking.
866
00:40:14,033 --> 00:40:16,073
It's something that could
happen in the real world,
867
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,570
but there isn't any
evidence to confirm it.
868
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:19,930
Shatner: But what about
the strangers who spit at
869
00:40:20,066 --> 00:40:22,426
Cheryl in the street?
870
00:40:22,567 --> 00:40:24,297
RYAN FULLER: The
interpretation that people
871
00:40:24,433 --> 00:40:27,033
are going to be insulting
them or hostile or have
872
00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:30,526
malicious intent is
very, very common.
873
00:40:30,667 --> 00:40:32,627
It could be that I'm being
harassed by the police, or
874
00:40:32,767 --> 00:40:35,827
the FBI, there's a
conspiracy, um, there's
875
00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:38,867
some kinds of organization
or people kind of out to
876
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,700
get them that's going to
sort of lead to sort of
877
00:40:40,834 --> 00:40:43,974
suspiciousness and hyper
vigilance and things like that.
878
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:47,000
Shatner: Ironically, Cheryl
could be making it worse.
879
00:40:47,133 --> 00:40:48,533
RYAN FULLER: There is
evidence in fact that by
880
00:40:48,667 --> 00:40:51,797
struggling with it and
sort of fighting it and
881
00:40:51,934 --> 00:40:54,604
working to change it, that
that does in fact, uh,
882
00:40:54,734 --> 00:40:58,234
increase the one stress
level and increase anxiety.
883
00:40:58,367 --> 00:41:00,927
So there can be a great
deal of suffering.
884
00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:05,226
Shatner: Is Cheryl Welsh
suffering from delusions?
885
00:41:05,367 --> 00:41:10,497
Or is the real explanation
even more out there?
886
00:41:10,633 --> 00:41:11,733
Shatner: Trish MacGregor
has written about the
887
00:41:11,867 --> 00:41:14,627
paranormal for
over 30 years.
888
00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:16,767
She thinks she can explain
at least one of Cheryl's
889
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,070
experiences - her strange
encounters
890
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,300
with electrical equipment.
891
00:41:21,433 --> 00:41:23,033
TRISH MACGREGOR: My theory
about Cheryl Welsh is it
892
00:41:23,166 --> 00:41:24,366
could be the Pauli Effect.
893
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,200
The Pauli Effect is, is a
label, a term that grew
894
00:41:27,333 --> 00:41:30,973
out of a phenomena that
used to happen whenever
895
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,070
Wolfgang Pauli who was a
theoretical physicist,
896
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,230
would walk into a science
lab and equipment would
897
00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:38,627
spontaneously break down.
898
00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:39,967
Shatner: Wolfgang Pauli
was a brilliant Nobel
899
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,530
Prize winning physicist
who counted Einstein
900
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:46,827
himself among his
many admirers.
901
00:41:46,967 --> 00:41:49,267
But Pauli is also
remembered for his ability
902
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,900
to cause lab equipment to
malfunction - simply by
903
00:41:52,033 --> 00:41:53,903
being near it.
904
00:41:54,033 --> 00:41:55,573
TRISH MACGREGOR: In 1950,
he walked into a lab in
905
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:59,070
Princeton, where they had
a particle accelerator.
906
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,970
And it caught on
fire and burned.
907
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:07,070
This lab in Hamburg banned
Pauli from, from the lab.
908
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,630
I mean, that, that's how
prominent this whole
909
00:42:09,767 --> 00:42:11,527
phenomena became.
910
00:42:11,667 --> 00:42:13,697
Shatner: Even stranger,
the Pauli effect didn't
911
00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:15,774
stop at the laboratory.
912
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,070
TRISH MACGREGOR: On
Pauli's second honeymoon,
913
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,730
uh, he and his wife set up
for a car trip, he had a
914
00:42:19,867 --> 00:42:21,867
new battery in the car,
and the battery died.
915
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,330
Wasn't the fact that he
was a klutz, it wasn't
916
00:42:23,467 --> 00:42:25,427
like he was stumbling into
equipment, he would walk
917
00:42:25,567 --> 00:42:28,297
in and without doing
anything, the equipment
918
00:42:28,433 --> 00:42:31,273
would spontaneously
just break down.
919
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,700
They kept saying, oh it's
coincidence, you know.
920
00:42:32,834 --> 00:42:34,834
This is scientifically
impossible and yet
921
00:42:34,967 --> 00:42:36,497
it kept happening.
922
00:42:36,633 --> 00:42:40,233
Shatner: Is Cheryl suffering
from the Pauli effect?
923
00:42:40,367 --> 00:42:43,067
MacGregor says we can't
dismiss the possibility.
924
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,500
TRISH MACGREGOR: I don't
think we can say to Cheryl
925
00:42:44,633 --> 00:42:47,273
Welsh, what you
experience is not real.
926
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,270
Because it is. It's real to her.
927
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,270
Shatner: Is Cheryl Welsh
the victim of a series of
928
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,830
bizarre coincidences?
929
00:42:55,967 --> 00:42:59,267
Was she the target of a
government experiment in
mind control?
930
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,700
Or is it all in her head?
931
00:43:01,834 --> 00:43:03,774
Weird... or What?
932
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:16,900
Shatner: So there we have
it, three stories
933
00:43:17,033 --> 00:43:19,073
of mind control.
934
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,930
An implant turbocharges
a man's brain.
935
00:43:22,066 --> 00:43:24,226
Is it an alien device?
936
00:43:24,367 --> 00:43:27,697
A housewife turns into
a literary genius.
937
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:31,434
Is she channeling a spirit
from the 17th century?
938
00:43:31,567 --> 00:43:36,127
And a woman suffers a
bizarre campaign of harassment.
939
00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:39,596
Is she a guinea pig for
a secret technology?
940
00:43:39,734 --> 00:43:41,034
You decide.
941
00:43:41,166 --> 00:43:42,666
William Shatner: Join me
next time for more stories
942
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,670
that will undoubtedly
be weird or what?
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