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WILLIAM SHATNER: You know,
I've been around for a while.
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Met some interesting people,
done some crazy things.
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So you'd think that there
wasn't much that could
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take me by surprise.
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You'd be wrong.
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The world is full of
stories and science and
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things that amaze and
confound me every single day,
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incredible mysteries
that keep me awake at night.
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Some I can answer.
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Others just defy logic.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Are man and
monster closer than we think?
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In New Jersey, a woman and
her son are attacked by
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a huge winged creature.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: He was
just frozen in terror...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Is it a
demon from the 18th century?
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In South Carolina, a
giant lizard-like beast
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terrorizes a motorist.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: I wish
I knew what was tearing up
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these cars.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Are
reptoids from an
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underground world
stalking us?
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And in Wisconsin, a
ravenous and terrifying
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creature appears on a
remote country road.
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STEVEN KRUEGER: It looked
like a large wolf head on
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top of a husky furry body.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Was it a werewolf?
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Yeah,
it's a weird world.
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And I love it.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: You know,
I love being in the woods,
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at one with nature,
there's so many wonderful
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things to see and hear.
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Look it look at
this little guy.
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But sometimes forests can
be dark, and downright
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terrifying places - places
where you can stumble
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across things that defy
the senses - things that
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are far more horrific than
you could possibly imagine...
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Laurie Winkelmann is
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a mother of three.
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She lives in southern
New Jersey, next to an
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isolated forest known
as the Pine Barrens.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: It's
just a very unexplored and
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"unfriendly" I guess would
be the best description.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Laurie
and her family moved here
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in 2003 - it was then they
witnessed the weird and
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eerie atmosphere of
the forest firsthand.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: There
were no squirrels,
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there were no birds,
there was nothing.
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It was just this
quiet, still forest.
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That was very creepy.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: The
family decides to avoid
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the woods at all costs.
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But on February 18th, 2004
an event takes place that
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would haunt them forever.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: The
night stands out in my
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mind originally because it
was the first snowstorm we
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had down here.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Laurie
ventures outside to turn
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off the Christmas lights.
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Her 10-year-old son, Glenn
Jr, insists on coming
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along to help.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: I had
made a "buddy" system for
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my kids so that no one was
ever allowed to go out alone.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: As Laurie
unplugs the lights, she
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suddenly notices something is
very wrong with her little boy.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: He was
just frozen in terror.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Laurie soon sees why.
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Someone - or something - is
watching them from the forest.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN:
It was horrible.
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It was huge, it had an
ugly face, a snout,
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it had horrible red
eyes, little horns.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: And I
just remember it had a
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horrible bulbous forehead
...It was the worst thing
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I had ever seen. It
was just hideous.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
It also has wings.
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Terrified, Laurie and her
son run for their lives.
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But the creature takes
off in hot pursuit.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: It
swooped over our heads,
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heading in the same direction
we were, towards the house.
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When we got to
the back door...
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It was right over us.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Scrambling inside,
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they think they're safe.
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But whatever attacked
them is still out there.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: There
was this just like clacky,
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metallic noise...on the
surface of the roof.
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I've never heard
anything like it.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Terrified, Laurie and
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Glenn huddle together for
hours - waiting for the
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monster to crash
through their roof.
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When they emerge the next
morning, the creature is gone.
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But what they see is
almost as frightening.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: We went
outside and we saw the
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tracks exactly where
it landed,
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there were footprints,
we couldn't believe it,
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perfect prints.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Laurie
takes photos of the prints.
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She's determined to solve
the mystery, so she shows
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the evidence to rangers
at a nearbye state park.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: I just
said, "Please let me know
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what this is.
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Could it be a cougar,
could it be a bear?
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
It's neither.
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It's something
beyond logic.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN:
The older gentleman
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immediately just said,
"It's the Jersey Devil.
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You just had a Jersey
Devil sighting."
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: I was
embarrassed, to be honest...
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I didn't want to scare my
neighbors or look like
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I was insane and seeing
Elvis or UFOs.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But Laurie and
Glenn aren't the only ones.
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Thousands claim to have
seen a demonic-like
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monster in the
pine barrens.
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They call it the
Jersey Devil.
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This mysterious entity is
believed to have inhabited
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the forest for over
two hundred years.
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Some believe its origins
are closely linked to
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a local witch named Mrs.
Leeds, who gave birth to
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her 13th child in
the late 18th century.
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: Legend
has it, I believe, it was
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deformed, it was horrible,
ugly, horrible eyes,
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snout, horrible
forehead...
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It grew very large, and it
was very powerful, and it
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broke out and escaped.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Was the
winged creature that
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attacked Laurie and her
son the deformed child of
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an 18th century witch?
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LAURIE WINKELMANN: I know what
I saw, and I know animals...
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I just felt like prey.
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For the first time in my
life, I have never known
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what it felt like to be prey,
and I just felt like that.
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It was awful. It
was just really awful.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: What
exactly stalked Laurie and
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her son in the woods
behind her home?
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Are demons real?
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Women's studies professor
Deborah McGregor doesn't
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think the Jersey
Devil exists.
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But she does have a
monstrous theory.
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DEBORAH MCGREGOR: Monster
births were understood to
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be children of the devil.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: During
the 18th century,
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some children were born
with serious defects due
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to infectious disease
and intermarriage.
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They were known
as monster births.
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DEBORAH MCGREGOR: The
mother of a monster baby
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would be damned,
because...
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some people say that she
had sex with the devil...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Professor
McGregor claims not only
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did Mrs. Leeds suffer a
tragic monster birth,
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but it occurred during
a period of Christian
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fanaticism in New England
- which made it seem like a
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sign that dark, supernatural
forces were at work.
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DEBORAH MCGREGOR: You
might wonder how people
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got the idea of something
being born with claws and
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horns and I think
we don't know...
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people might have thought,
well, that's, that's the
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way a monster looks.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Is the
Jersey Devil a deformed
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infant born to an
18th century woman?
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If so, then how did it
turn into the legend of
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a supernatural creature?
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IAN MILLER: It'll keep
your kids from going too
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far and then maybe
they won't get eaten.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: A woman
and her son are attacked
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by a winged creature in
the woods behind their home.
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Was it a demon from
the 18th century...
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or a legend inspired
by a deformed baby?
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Psychology PhD student Ian
Miller agrees the Jersey
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Devil is a type of monster
- one that inhabits our minds.
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IAN MILLER: The Jersey devil
is a great example of a meme.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: According
to Miller, a meme is an
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idea that is transmitted
from person to person,
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infecting our brains much
like a virus or viral video.
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IAN MILLER: Memes can
describe all sorts of
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phenomena that we
experience on a daily basis.
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Whether it be fashion
trends is a good example,
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or, uh, the adoption of
different technologies...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Miller
thinks memes enable legends
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to survive for hundreds
or even thousands of years.
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IAN MILLER: So the Jersey
devil is, uh, it's an
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example of I think an
urban legend and urban
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legends are great
instances of memes.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Miller is
sure the Jersey Devil meme
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continues because it serves
as a cautionary tale -
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making the Pine Barrens
forest seem scary -
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even if it isn't.
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IAN MILLER: The Jersey Devil
...that's a great story
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that serves a purpose,
it'll keep your kids
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from going too far and then
maybe they won't get eaten.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But how
did a story of a deformed
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baby morph into the legend
of the Jersey Devil?
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To demonstrate, Miller
has set up an experiment
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to show how a meme
works - in real time.
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IAN MILLER: What we're
going to try today is, uh,
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we're going to revisit a
game that we might have
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played when we were younger,
called broken telephone...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: A
volunteer is shown an
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image of the Jersey Devil.
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She in turn describes what
she's seen to the next person,
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and so on down
the line.
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Through word of mouth, the
idea evolves, becoming
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more fantastical each
time it's retold.
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IAN MILLER: I expect that
a lot of the details about
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this picture are going to
be completely lost, uh,
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you know, is this monster
eating an animal or is it
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eating a person?
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WILLIAM SHATNER: By the
end, the meme has become
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virtually unrecognizable from
the original illustration.
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IAN MILLER: Moment of
truth. What do we got?
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WOMEN: "A wolf jumping on
a nail in the forest."
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IAN MILLER: A wolf
jumping on a nail...
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If even one person along
the chain miss remembers
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something, these
alterations to the story
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are just going to
kind of explode.
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IAN MILLER: Here's
what we got.
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[laughter]
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IAN MILLER: I think
it definitely
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illustrated the point...
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that when one person tells
another person, they're
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not making an identical
copy of whatever was in
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the first person's head...
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Psychology professor
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Doug Candland agrees Laurie
Winkelmann and her son
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saw something strange
and frightening.
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But it wasn't a demon
- it was a human child.
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DOUGLAS CANDLAND: Since
the founding of Rome,
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there have been stories
about human beings who
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have been raised
by animals.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: They're
called feral children,
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and they're
surprisingly common.
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Over 400 of these
bizarre cases have
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been documented worldwide.
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DOUGLAS CANDLAND: In one case,
the famous wolf girls of India,
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the girls actually grabbed
birds and ate them raw.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But
where do they come from?
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Is modern civilization
creating wild, animal-like
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creatures that survive
purely on primal instincts?
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DOUGLAS CANDLAND:
Historically of course,
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the reason is that parents
or guardians realize that
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they have a child who is
not intellectually capable.
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They have inherited a real
problem that's going to
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cost them their livelihood
and the easiest thing is
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to leave them for
nature to take care of.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Wow, this
story is getting more
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and more monstrous
by the minute.
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First it's some witch
having sex with the devil
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and now this other guy
actually believes that
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sweet innocent children could
become horrifying monsters?
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Is he crazy?
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[children laughing]
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Hey, hey, hey, hey.
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- NO PLAYING BALL
- GET OFF MY LAWN!
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I don't think
he's crazy at all.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Could
Laurie Winkelman really
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have mistaken a feral human
child for a hideous monster?
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Professor Candland says yes,
thanks to the atmosphere of
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fear and terror inspired
by the Pine Barrens.
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DOUGLAS CANDLAND: If
you're living in a place
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and you hear something
out there every night,
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you're already primed
to be frightened.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Candland
feels creepy environments
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make people think they're
dealing with something
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much worse than
it really is.
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DOUGLAS CANDLAND: This
leads to belief that one
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is dealing with a
sub-human sort of beast
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who's apt to be dangerous.
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In point of fact, they're
rarely dangerous.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: So was
the Jersey Devil a feral
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child roaming the forest?
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Or was it a deformed infant
born to an 18th century woman?
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Or is the mystery of the
creature only in our minds?
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We may never know.
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Weird or what?
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WILLIAM SHATNER: A small
town in South Carolina is
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terrorized by a strange
lizard creature.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: We didn't
know what we's up against.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Man beasts.
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Throughout history
we've heard of mythical
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creatures that are somehow
part human - part animal.
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[growling]
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Wow.
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Now let's assume for a
minute that they do exist -
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it might be possible.
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Right?
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This throws up some very
interesting questions.
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If they are half and
half - which is which?
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[child's laugh]
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Are they animals with the
brains of humans or humans
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with the brains
of animals?
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And what do we prefer?
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[knocking sound]
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[baby cry sound]
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Are man beasts
living among us?
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And if they are would you
want to live alongside a
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cold-blooded being whose
emotions and thoughts are
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completely alien...?
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WILLIAM SHATNER: In the summer
of 1988, Liston Truesdale
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was the sheriff of
Bishopville, South Carolina.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: This county
was a sleepy little community.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But
things soon began to change.
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[phone rings]
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In a bizarre series of
incidents, someone,
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or something, began
attacking parked cars.
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But these were no ordinary
acts of vandalism.
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The cars looked as though
they had bite marks.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: This was
a very serious situation...
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I wish I knew what was
tearing up these cars.
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We didn't know what
we's up against.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Liston
would soon find out when
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one night, a terrified
high school student named
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Chris Davis shows up
at his police station.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: Chris
Davis was a kid,
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17 year old boy at the time.
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And he started telling
me what happened to him.
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And I couldn't believe
what I was listening to...
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LISTON TRUESDALE: Chris
Davis had a flat tire.
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He had stopped to fix his
flat tire side of the road.
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[sound of twig snapping]
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He finished fixing the
tire, put his tools in the
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car and looked
across the road...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Davis can't
comprehend what he sees.
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A gigantic green creature is
watching him from the forest.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: It was a
huge, what he described as
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7 feet tall or more with
big red eyes, looked to be
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greenish in color but he
really didn't know,
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and had three fingers.
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Whatever it was scared
the hell out of him.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: The creature
begins running towards him.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: Chris
Davis jumped in his car
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and slammed the
door quick...
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and... sped off like
a bat out of hell.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But the
creature isn't giving up
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so easily.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: The
creature jumped on the
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trunk of the car and
then on top of the car,
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and was looking down
at him...
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through the windshield
from the top.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Davis swerves the car,
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trying to dislodge it.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: He
thinks he threw him off.
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He had to throw him off.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Mystified, Sheriff
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Truesdale doesn't know
what to make of the story.
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LISTON TRUESDALE:
I said, "Draw it."
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So he drew it.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Truesdale
is stunned by the picture.
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It shows a lizard-like
being that stands upright
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like a human.
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LISTON TRUESDALE: It wasn't
like anything I'd ever seen.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: But
Sheriff Truesdale needs
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to know if Davis is
telling the truth.
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LISTON TRUESDALE:
We ask him if...
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he would submit to
a lie detector test.
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'No problem,' he said.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Davis
passes the test.
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He isn't lying.
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But what had he seen?
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Davis's testimony
isn't the only report.
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Soon, dozens of others
come forward to describe
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their encounters with a
giant lizard-like creature.
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But not everyone
is convinced
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LISTON TRUESDALE: A lot of
people didn't believe it.
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And a lot of people
thought it was a hoax.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Crop duster pilot
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Frank Mitchell knows
it's no hoax.
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Why? He saw it too.
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FRANK MITCHELL: The
morning of the sighting,
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uh, was a nice day.
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I got up with a very clear
mind, happy as a lark.
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I fixed my coffee like I
always do, lit my cigarette...
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And, uh, loaded the
airplane as usual and, uh,
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taxied it on out
to the runway.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Mitchell
brings his plane up to
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take-off speed.
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FRANK MITCHELL: Here I am
coming 75 miles an hour
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getting ready
to take off...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Suddenly
he sees something that
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turns his blood cold.
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FRANK MITCHELL: This thing
come out right about where
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I'm standing and it walked
simply right across this
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runwau, right in front
of the airplane.
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FRANK MITCHELL: This thing was
8 or 9 feet tall or better...
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It looked like a big
monkey, maybe, with a
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larger nose maybe than
a monkey would have.
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Much taller and a
brownish-greenish looking
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skin and it had a limp in
its walk when - and it
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didn't run - it just
walked across the runway.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: It's too
late to abort take off,
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so Mitchell keeps going...
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But as soon as he's in
the air, the creature
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disappears into the woods.
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FRANK MITCHELL: I come
back around as quick as
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I could but I never
did see it again.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Mitchell
is convinced that the
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thing he saw - is
still out there.
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FRANK MITCHELL: I still
hear a strange sound to
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this day that I cannot
describe to you...
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I used to walk most of
this swamp at night,
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but I don't go anymore
at night. Period.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Did
Mitchell see the same
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animal that terrified
Chris Davis?
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Was it a Lizard-Man?
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Whatever it was, he is
taking no chances...
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FRANK MITCHELL: I promise
you I wouldn't come out
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here without my gun
and a good flashlight.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Could so
many witnesses be wrong?
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What is living in the
swamps of South Carolina?
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Crypto-hunter John Rhodes
has a theory so weird,
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if true, it would change
the history of evolution.
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JOHN RHODES: The Lizard
Man of Bishopville is
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evolved here, he continues to
live here, just like we do.
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It's just that we don't get
to see these guys very often.
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
It's a wild idea.
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The Lizard Man is not half
human, but a creature that
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has evolved alongside of
us - a human-like reptile
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known as a reptoid.
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JOHN RHODES: Reptoids,
evolved naturally on earth
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through the lineage of
reptiles or dinosaurs,
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most likely the dinosaurs,
we do actually have
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scientific evidence.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Rhodes
thinks this points to an
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astonishing conclusion:
that the dinosaurs never
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actually died out, and
may even have evolved in
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similar ways to
human beings.
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JOHN RHODES: There's
potential for a convergent
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evolution between mammals
and what we would think of
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as of dinosaurs.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: To
support his claims,
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Rhodes claims the reptoids'
ancestor was an unusually
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smart dinosaur
called the Troodon.
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JOHN RHODES: It was
intelligent, it had a
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large brain case, its eyes
were actually coming from
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the side of its head
towards the front of its
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face to allow it to have
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stereoscopic vision, it
made it a better hunter.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Could a
supposedly extinct
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dinosaur have evolved
into the creature they
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call the Lizard Man?
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Here's what the Lizard
Man might look like...
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...an artist's conception
of a modern-day Troodon.
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JOHN RHODES: This
illustration is actually
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very similar to those
descriptions provided by the
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individuals who have sighted
the lizard man in Bishopville.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Did Chris
Davis encounter a reptoid
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evolved from a dinosaur?
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Rhodes believes not only
do reptoids exist with an
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intelligence to rivals
ours, but they're living -
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right under our feet.
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JOHN RHODES: From the
research that we've done...
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It appears that reptilian
humanoids and their small
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populations live in
geologically remote areas
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underground with
technology just like we
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have on the planet.
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Are they more
advanced than us -
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that's somewhat questionable.
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If they have evolved
longer than us
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I would say that's definite.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Is
an advanced reptoid
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civilization living somewhere
deep inside the Earth?
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Rhodes realizes his theory
sounds far-fetched.
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JOHN RHODES: Keep in mind
as fantastic as this sounds,
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scientists know
we've only catalogued
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about 4% of all life on
earth, that means that
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there's anywhere from 100
to 200 million life forms
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on our planet, we haven't
even seen and catalogued yet.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Could
dinosaurs have survived
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all these years, and
evolved hidden from view?
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Or could there be
another explanation?
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SHANNON BARD: There's many
things in the environment
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that can cause
mutations...
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WILLIAM SHATNER: A strange
creature terrorizes the
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00:23:48,934 --> 00:23:51,834
town of Bishopville,
South Carolina.
477
00:23:51,967 --> 00:23:54,967
Is it half man
- half lizard?
478
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,430
Shannon Bard, professor of
Environmental Toxicology
479
00:23:58,567 --> 00:24:01,267
at Dalhousie University,
doesn't think the
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00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,400
Lizard Man is an
evolved dinosaur.
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00:24:04,533 --> 00:24:07,873
She raises an even more
bizarre possibility...
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00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,170
That the creature could be
a normal reptile mutated
483
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,170
into a monster -
by toxic chemicals.
484
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:15,370
SHANNON BARD: There's many
things in the environment
485
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:16,870
that can cause
mutations...
486
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,230
there can be different
chemicals in the
487
00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:21,897
environment which can
interact at a cellular
488
00:24:22,033 --> 00:24:25,703
level and actually cause
the DNA to get breaks
489
00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:28,534
in it and that
causes a mutation.
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00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:30,767
WILLIAM SHATNER:
Sometimes, these mutations
491
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:32,800
can create giants.
492
00:24:32,934 --> 00:24:35,104
SHANNON BARD: There are
many factors involved in um,
493
00:24:35,233 --> 00:24:37,403
in producing animals that may
be ...larger or stronger...
494
00:24:37,533 --> 00:24:39,003
than their parents...
495
00:24:39,133 --> 00:24:40,973
They could potentially
have some mutations in their
496
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,070
genes which would increase
the level of growth hormones.
497
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,400
WILLIAM SHATNER: But
if the Lizard Man is
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a mutant monster, how
did it become one?
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00:24:49,834 --> 00:24:53,804
Well, guess what - a toxic
waste dump was located right
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near Bishopville at the time
of the Lizard Man sightings.
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00:24:57,667 --> 00:24:59,627
SHANNON BARD: At this
particular site there was
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discharge of the waste into
surrounding water bodies,
503
00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:05,903
so you could have
a situation in which
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00:25:06,033 --> 00:25:08,733
mutagens would enter into
the aquatic environment
505
00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:10,997
and different organisms
living there could
506
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potentially be exposed.
507
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,030
[frog sounds]
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00:25:19,166 --> 00:25:20,496
WILLIAM SHATNER: Strange
creatures emerging from
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toxic waste dumps - transformed
from cute little critters
510
00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:28,126
into giant mutant beasts
that terrify the planet?
511
00:25:28,266 --> 00:25:29,766
- Ridiculous isn't it?
512
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:31,470
[toilet gurgling sounds]
513
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,330
Well I've got to tell you
- I don't think it is.
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00:25:36,467 --> 00:25:38,967
I've had some very serious
issues with my plumbing lately
515
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,670
- and if whatever is
living in there escapes -
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00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,630
all of us...
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00:25:43,767 --> 00:25:47,367
All of us, are doomed!
518
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,830
[toilet gurgling sounds]
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00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,200
WILLIAM SHATNER: Could the
Lizard Man be a giant,
520
00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:56,473
rampaging mutant?
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00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,300
Ben Radford is the
deputy editor of the
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00:26:00,433 --> 00:26:02,933
Skeptical Enquirer magazine.
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00:26:03,066 --> 00:26:05,196
BEN RADFORD: I'm investigating
the lizard man as, for example,
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00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:07,733
a homicide detective would
investigate a murder.
525
00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,097
You look at eyewitnesses,
you look at forensic evidence.
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00:26:10,233 --> 00:26:11,503
WILLIAM SHATNER: He
thinks there's less to the
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00:26:11,633 --> 00:26:14,033
Lizard Man phenomenon
than meets the eye.
528
00:26:14,166 --> 00:26:15,696
BEN RADFORD: You see the
same thing with a lot of
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00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:17,304
these mysterious
monsters...
530
00:26:17,433 --> 00:26:19,273
you don't have direct
evidence of these things.
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00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,100
You have very very few
eyewitness sightings.
532
00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:25,133
WILLIAM SHATNER: Why? Simple.
533
00:26:25,266 --> 00:26:27,866
Radford claims people
invoke the Lizard Man
534
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,270
whenever anything unusual
happens in Bishopville.
535
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,570
BEN RADFORD: People
aren't saying I saw the
536
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,630
lizardman, people are
saying, this is weird -
537
00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,697
what could it be, oh,
there's a lizardman down
538
00:26:36,834 --> 00:26:39,204
the road, that must be it.
539
00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:41,673
It's an interesting
psychological phenomenon,
540
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
where people attribute
things that they can't
541
00:26:43,934 --> 00:26:46,634
explain to monsters.
542
00:26:46,767 --> 00:26:48,227
WILLIAM SHATNER: But
Radford is certain what
543
00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:52,197
really drives the Lizard
Man stories - is money.
544
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:53,473
BEN RADFORD: Of course
the lizardman has been an
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00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,970
economic boom for
Bishopville and elsewhere,
546
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,630
people cashing in on it...
547
00:26:57,767 --> 00:27:00,797
WILLIAM SHATNER: Then there's
the Lizard Man merchandise...
548
00:27:00,934 --> 00:27:03,474
BEN RADFORD: We have of
course a bumper sticker.
549
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,170
Who doesn't need that
on their minivan.
550
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:08,730
Lizardman butter beans, I
have no idea what this is.
551
00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:11,367
It's not for human
consumption, I do know that.
552
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:12,900
Dun, dun, dun, dun.
553
00:27:13,033 --> 00:27:14,633
The Lizard Man t-shirt.
554
00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:17,267
Not just one, we've got
a whole bunch of them.
555
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,870
We've got another
Lizard Man shirt.
556
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,630
WILLIAM SHATNER: Does that mean
the Lizard Man is a hoax...
557
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,697
and everyone in Bishopville
is in on the joke?
558
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Not necessarily.
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00:27:27,934 --> 00:27:30,504
BEN RADFORD: I think it
began as a hoax and then
560
00:27:30,633 --> 00:27:32,803
after that came
misunderstandings,
561
00:27:32,934 --> 00:27:35,074
misperceptions, and
people who are like well
562
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,700
something damaged my
car, must be lizardman.
563
00:27:38,834 --> 00:27:40,934
Well no, it could be a
number of other things,
564
00:27:41,066 --> 00:27:42,596
not just lizardman.
565
00:27:42,734 --> 00:27:44,274
WILLIAM SHATNER:
If it is a hoax...
566
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,370
how do we explain
Christopher Davis?
567
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,930
Didn't he pass a
lie detector test?
568
00:27:49,066 --> 00:27:50,166
BEN RADFORD: I tried to
track down the polygraph
569
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,070
test but I couldn't find
anyone who would give me
570
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,570
any information on it....
I'm not saying he didn't,
571
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,300
I'm just saying if he did then
where's the evidence for it.
572
00:27:57,433 --> 00:27:58,903
WILLIAM SHATNER: And
again, if the Lizard Man
573
00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,333
doesn't exist...
574
00:28:00,467 --> 00:28:02,497
how does he account for
all cars and mini-vans
575
00:28:02,633 --> 00:28:05,473
damaged by the creature?
576
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,170
Radford has a simple
explanation: vandalism.
577
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,130
And he thinks
he can prove it.
578
00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:14,666
At a junkyard outside
Albuqurque, New Mexico
579
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,830
Radford will
test his theory.
580
00:28:17,967 --> 00:28:20,027
Radford believes he can
replicate the so-called
581
00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:23,866
Lizard Man damage, using
common household items.
582
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,130
BEN RADFORD: I have a
variety of tools I'm going
583
00:28:25,266 --> 00:28:27,696
to use including a pellet
gun, I have a hammer,
584
00:28:27,834 --> 00:28:29,674
a pickaxe, a saw...
585
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,730
Is it vandalism or teeth
marks from the Lizard-man?
586
00:28:32,867 --> 00:28:34,127
Let's find out.
587
00:28:34,266 --> 00:28:37,996
[♪]
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00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:38,933
BEN RADFORD: This is an
attempt to bring some
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00:28:39,066 --> 00:28:40,066
science to it.
590
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,300
This gets beyond
eyewitness sightings,
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00:28:41,433 --> 00:28:44,003
beyond reports, to real
physical evidence.
592
00:28:45,467 --> 00:28:46,927
WILLIAM SHATNER: Finally,
Radford gets the results
593
00:28:47,066 --> 00:28:48,396
he's looking for.
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00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:50,333
BEN RADFORD: I had a lot
of success with one of the
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00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:54,567
screwdrivers, that makes
holes that look pretty
596
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,700
much like the
teeth marks...
597
00:28:57,834 --> 00:28:59,704
My guess is that it wasn't a
lizardman that attacked the...
598
00:28:59,834 --> 00:29:01,004
vehicle.
599
00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:02,573
It was a screwdriver.
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00:29:04,367 --> 00:29:06,627
WILLIAM SHATNER: Is the
Lizard Man of Bishopville
601
00:29:06,767 --> 00:29:10,427
an intelligent reptoid
descended from dinosaurs?
602
00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:14,627
Is it a mutant lizard born
in a toxic waste dump?
603
00:29:14,767 --> 00:29:17,897
Or is it a hoax designed
to boost the local economy
604
00:29:18,033 --> 00:29:20,133
and cover up for vandals?
605
00:29:20,266 --> 00:29:22,566
Weird or what?
606
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:30,130
[♪]
607
00:29:30,266 --> 00:29:31,696
WILLIAM SHATNER: A man is
attacked by a terrifying
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00:29:31,834 --> 00:29:36,074
and blood-thirsty creature
in Elkhorn, Wisconsin.
609
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,630
Was it a werewolf?
610
00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:38,897
STEVEN KRUEGER: I have
never seen an animal
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00:29:39,033 --> 00:29:40,133
to ever look like that.
612
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,300
WILLIAM SHATNER: Dogs...
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00:29:52,433 --> 00:29:54,003
man's best friend.
614
00:29:54,133 --> 00:29:55,773
Take Fluffy here
for example.
615
00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,230
Even though he eats me
out of house and home,
616
00:30:00,367 --> 00:30:01,797
I'd die for this guy -
I love him.
617
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:06,804
He gives me companionship,
protection, oh maybe not
618
00:30:06,934 --> 00:30:09,474
so much protection
but so much love,
619
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,100
really I couldn't
live without him...
620
00:30:11,233 --> 00:30:12,073
But what if -
under this...
621
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,470
harmless exterior...
622
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,070
what if there's
something evil inside?
623
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,870
What it Fluffy isn't a dog
at all - but half dog,
624
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,900
half - human.
625
00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:27,733
Yes, you heard me right -
what if your lovely pet
626
00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:31,967
was a - werewolf that
could rip you apart.
627
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,870
You might feel different?
628
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,300
Do werewolves exist?
629
00:30:36,433 --> 00:30:38,303
Impossible?
630
00:30:38,433 --> 00:30:40,273
Maybe not...
631
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,030
Oh my God!! This
is horrible!!
632
00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:44,626
- You need a
bath young man.
633
00:30:47,467 --> 00:30:51,197
WILLIAM SHATNER:
Elkhorn, Wisconsin.
634
00:30:53,467 --> 00:30:55,427
Steven Krueger works for
the local Department of
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00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:57,797
Natural Resources.
636
00:30:57,934 --> 00:31:00,734
His job: collecting
deer carcasses from
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00:31:00,867 --> 00:31:02,927
the highway at night.
638
00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:04,566
STEVEN KRUEGER: I'd always
pick up at night and grab
639
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:07,170
the deer, bring them back
and in the morning bring them
640
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,800
to the landfill, the local
landfill and dump them off.
641
00:31:13,433 --> 00:31:16,633
WILLIAM SHATNER: But on the
night of November 8, 2006,
642
00:31:16,767 --> 00:31:18,467
Steven came across
something else -
643
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,200
something so weird it
burned into his memory.
644
00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:24,603
STEVEN KRUEGER: I was
travelling doing our
645
00:31:24,734 --> 00:31:26,574
normal deer pick up and
there was a deer I came
646
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,830
across on Holley Hilled
road that was not on the
647
00:31:29,967 --> 00:31:32,267
scheduled pick up list.
648
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,470
WILLIAM SHATNER: He stops
to check the animal.
649
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,100
STEVEN KRUEGER: It was
about an 80 pound dear,
650
00:31:36,233 --> 00:31:39,233
a doe, I threw down the
tailgate, tossed it in the
651
00:31:39,367 --> 00:31:42,427
back of the truck uh, had
to go back to the cab to
652
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:45,827
fill out the paperwork to be
able to tag the deer properly.
653
00:31:45,967 --> 00:31:46,867
WILLIAM SHATNER: But this
routine job is about to
654
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,630
become a nightmare.
655
00:31:48,767 --> 00:31:55,327
[♪]
656
00:31:55,467 --> 00:31:59,027
Suddenly Steven feels
the truck shudder.
657
00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:00,726
STEVEN KRUEGER: Didn't
faze me at first,
658
00:32:00,867 --> 00:32:02,267
I thought it might have
been the wind or something.
659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,430
Then it shook more
vigorously the second time,
660
00:32:05,567 --> 00:32:10,267
then I looked in the rear
view mirror and there it was.
661
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,670
WILLIAM SHATNER: What
he sees makes no sense.
662
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,270
Something - bizarre - is
climbing onto his truck.
663
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,830
STEVEN KRUEGER: I just saw
it from the head to the
664
00:32:17,967 --> 00:32:20,727
shoulders, a little bit
below the shoulders
665
00:32:20,867 --> 00:32:23,627
It looked like it was
reaching into the truck to
666
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,097
grab which I'm only
assuming was the deer
667
00:32:26,233 --> 00:32:28,003
I just put in there.
668
00:32:28,133 --> 00:32:29,233
WILLIAM SHATNER: What
could be strong enough
669
00:32:29,367 --> 00:32:31,797
to carry off a
36-kilogram deer?
670
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,470
STEVEN KRUEGER: It looked
like a large wolf head on
671
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400
top of a really
husky furry body...
672
00:32:40,767 --> 00:32:42,467
It was something that I
haven't seen before and
673
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,170
I have seen pretty much
every animal that
674
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,030
I thought was in the state
of Wisconsin, from bear
675
00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:49,166
to wolf to coyotes.
676
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:50,630
WILLIAM SHATNER: But
Steven's confusion is
677
00:32:50,767 --> 00:32:53,627
about to turn to terror.
678
00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:56,997
As he watches, the
creature stands on its two
679
00:32:57,133 --> 00:33:00,833
hind legs - like a man.
680
00:33:00,967 --> 00:33:02,197
STEVEN KRUEGER: I guessed
it to be around six and a
681
00:33:02,333 --> 00:33:03,573
half to seven feet tall.
682
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,230
It could have been a very
large wolf on its hind legs?
683
00:33:07,367 --> 00:33:09,667
I've never seen
that before..
684
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,330
Stared at it for about I
don't even know if it was
685
00:33:13,467 --> 00:33:17,227
5 seconds, that might even
be too long, but I threw
686
00:33:17,367 --> 00:33:18,997
the truck into drive
because it scared the
687
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:22,473
living daylights out of
me and I hit the gas.
688
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,230
WILLIAM SHATNER: Steven
thinks he's safe -
689
00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:28,227
until he hears
something strange.
690
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:31,870
STEVEN KRUEGER: I did hear
the clunk of the ramp
691
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,330
hitting the ground.
692
00:33:33,467 --> 00:33:36,767
That was a distinctive metal
hitting the pavement type sound.
693
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:38,570
WILLIAM SHATNER: Somehow,
the animal has pulled the
694
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:44,870
deer and the heavy metal
ramp right off his truck.
695
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,770
Despite his fear, he
decides he must go back.
696
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:49,070
STEVEN KRUEGER: I did need
to go back and get the
697
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,400
ramp because that was a
vital part of my job.
698
00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:56,473
On a heavier deer I can't pick
up a 180 pound deer on my own.
699
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,270
WILLIAM SHATNER: Steven
returns to the scene but
700
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,470
the creature has vanished.
701
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,900
STEVEN KRUEGER: When I got
back to the area I just
702
00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:12,033
grabbed my flashlight
and the ramp the deer -
703
00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:14,726
everything was gone I
didn't find anything.
704
00:34:14,867 --> 00:34:17,127
WILLIAM SHATNER: Whatever
it was was strong enough
705
00:34:17,266 --> 00:34:22,726
to drag the deer and the
ramp off into the woods.
706
00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:26,267
Frightened and confused, Steven
heads straight to the police.
707
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,700
STEVEN KRUEGER: I figured
it was an aggressive
708
00:34:27,834 --> 00:34:30,674
animal whatever it was uh,
so I decided to stop into
709
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,870
the Washington County
Sherriff's department and
710
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,130
report the incident.
711
00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:37,896
WILLIAM SHATNER: Steven
recounts his weird encounter,
712
00:34:38,033 --> 00:34:40,203
but remarkably, the
police aren't surprised -
713
00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:44,003
they've heard
the story before.
714
00:34:44,133 --> 00:34:46,273
The creature even has a
name - they call it the
715
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,300
Bray Road Beast.
716
00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:53,373
The mysterious animal has been
sighted hundreds of times,
717
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,930
going back at least
three decades.
718
00:34:56,066 --> 00:34:57,996
STEVEN KRUEGER: They did
take me serious on it they
719
00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:00,603
sent out two squads out
to take a look for it but
720
00:35:00,734 --> 00:35:02,574
they did not find
anything either.
721
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,000
WILLIAM SHATNER: What
did Steven Krueger see?
722
00:35:06,133 --> 00:35:10,033
What animal stands like a
human and has super strength?
723
00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:13,726
Could this be evidence
that werewolves exist?
724
00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:15,427
STEVEN KRUEGER: I have
never seen an animal ever
725
00:35:15,567 --> 00:35:18,327
to look like that, I don't
think I will see another
726
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:21,227
animal that looks like
that to be honest.
727
00:35:21,367 --> 00:35:22,697
WILLIAM SHATNER: You know
of all the things in the
728
00:35:22,834 --> 00:35:30,874
human psyche - a werewolf is
one of the most terrifying
729
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,470
I mean just look at
how ugly this guy is -
730
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,700
but actually coming
into contact with one?
731
00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:39,974
Now that's scary
- what do you?
732
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,300
Use one of these?
733
00:35:42,433 --> 00:35:44,433
Do silver bullets
really work?
734
00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:48,327
Or perhaps you could
use one of these...
735
00:35:48,467 --> 00:35:52,427
[zapping sound]
736
00:35:54,667 --> 00:35:57,967
I hope you don't think
I meant that ugly... crack.
737
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,730
WILLIAM SHATNER:
Folklorist James Lowder is
738
00:36:01,867 --> 00:36:03,967
an expert on werewolves.
739
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,200
He says they are more
myth than monster.
740
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:09,633
JAMES LOWDER: There have
always been stories about
741
00:36:09,767 --> 00:36:11,797
people transforming
into animals.
742
00:36:11,934 --> 00:36:15,234
You can go back and
look at the myths...
743
00:36:15,367 --> 00:36:18,467
In Christian theology and
Christian writings, they
744
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,300
represent humankind falling
into the control of Satan.
745
00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:31,067
WILLIAM SHATNER: But if
werewolves don't exist -
746
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,970
why did we invent them?
747
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,400
Because they enable us
to cope with the darkest
748
00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:39,073
sides of our nature.
749
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,530
JAMES LOWDER: It's a
manifestation of the dual
750
00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:42,027
nature of humanity.
751
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:45,396
So you can seem like a
good person at one point,
752
00:36:45,533 --> 00:36:49,233
and you can do horrible
things in another instant.
753
00:36:49,367 --> 00:36:51,597
The werewolf allows people
to deal with the anxiety
754
00:36:51,734 --> 00:36:55,004
that anyone is capable of
doing horrible things.
755
00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:56,973
WILLIAM SHATNER: But if
this is true, what did
756
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,770
Steve Krueger see?
757
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,630
Was it just a
trick of his mind?
758
00:37:02,767 --> 00:37:07,427
Lowder has another
compelling theory.
759
00:37:07,567 --> 00:37:09,997
JAMES LOWDER: He's somebody
who's been a hunter,
760
00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:12,803
as a contractor
for the DNR, he's seen
761
00:37:12,934 --> 00:37:15,234
animal bodies, he knows
what they look like...
762
00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:16,897
He recognized that it was
something that he didn't
763
00:37:17,033 --> 00:37:20,303
understand what it was,
and it was an animal.
764
00:37:20,433 --> 00:37:21,903
WILLIAM SHATNER: But
what animal fits the
765
00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:25,073
description given by Steve
Krueger and hundreds of others
766
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,300
who have come into contact
with the Bray Road Beast?
767
00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:30,773
JAMES LOWDER: Normally, we
get the grey wolf is the
768
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:33,970
typical kind of wolf we
see in this state...
769
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,700
more recently environmentalists
have found that uh,
770
00:37:36,834 --> 00:37:40,574
there are eastern wolves that
have moved into the area.
771
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:44,133
WILLIAM SHATNER: Could
two species of wolves be
772
00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:47,696
breeding, creating a
new, hybrid creature?
773
00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:49,334
JAMES LOWDER: It's
certainly possible that
774
00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:53,267
there are species in the area
that people haven't identified.
775
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,100
It certainly could have
been a species of wolf
776
00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,533
that he hadn't seen
before, or some kind of
777
00:37:59,667 --> 00:38:03,427
animal that is a hybrid.
778
00:38:03,567 --> 00:38:05,227
WILLIAM SHATNER: Is the
Bray Road Beast a new,
779
00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:08,997
frightening species
of super wolf?
780
00:38:09,133 --> 00:38:13,203
Or is the explanation
even weirder?
781
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:16,603
Researcher Phil Dhingra
has a mind-blowing idea.
782
00:38:16,734 --> 00:38:19,404
Sightings like this are
evidence of an incredible
783
00:38:19,533 --> 00:38:24,173
evolutionary leap: Wolves
that have evolved to walk
784
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:25,970
on two legs.
785
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,330
PHIL DHINGRA: It's very
much possible that what
786
00:38:27,467 --> 00:38:30,897
people saw are animals
that are exhibiting
787
00:38:31,033 --> 00:38:32,773
bipedal behaviour
788
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,770
Could be a wolf, could be a
bear, could be something else...
789
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,730
Bipedalism isn't
actually that hard.
790
00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:41,427
WILLIAM SHATNER: Dhingra
claims wolves could have
791
00:38:41,567 --> 00:38:45,267
become bipedal through
a natural process.
792
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,930
PHIL DHINGRA: Punctuated
equilibrium, which is the
793
00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:49,666
idea that rapid changes in
evolution can happen in a
794
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,430
short period of time.
795
00:38:52,567 --> 00:38:55,267
WILLIAM SHATNER: But why would
wolves want to walk like us?
796
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,300
PHIL DHINGRA: We trap
their rabbits, we kill
797
00:38:57,433 --> 00:39:01,003
their deer, and we
have read about wolves
798
00:39:01,133 --> 00:39:02,503
declining populations...
799
00:39:02,633 --> 00:39:04,403
eventually they're
going to go extinct.
800
00:39:04,533 --> 00:39:06,003
WILLIAM SHATNER: Dhingra
believes wolves are being
801
00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:10,073
forced to evolve in
order to survive.
802
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,900
The ability to stand upright
can give animals an edge -
803
00:39:13,033 --> 00:39:15,973
especially when it comes
to scaring off competitors.
804
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,530
PHIL DHINGRA: If you
stand up, you are taller,
805
00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:20,897
you are larger, you're
more threatening...
806
00:39:21,033 --> 00:39:23,173
WILLIAM SHATNER: If true,
the Bray Road Beast would
807
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,370
be in good company.
808
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,470
All kinds of animals, from
birds to kangaroos, have
809
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,270
evolved to become bipedal.
810
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,970
PHIL DHINGRA: What we have
to really think about is
811
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,070
that all of the features
of the Bray road beast,
812
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,900
none of these
things are exotic...
813
00:39:38,033 --> 00:39:40,533
It is a creature that is
straight out of, um, the,
814
00:39:40,667 --> 00:39:42,197
the animal family,
the animal kingdom.
815
00:39:42,333 --> 00:39:44,473
WILLIAM SHATNER: Did
Steven Krueger and
816
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,100
hundreds of others see a
wolf that has learned to
817
00:39:46,233 --> 00:39:47,933
walk on two feet?
818
00:39:48,066 --> 00:39:50,266
And if so, why hasn't
it been caught?
819
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,630
LINDA GODFREY: It's
some sort of...
820
00:39:51,767 --> 00:39:53,667
other dimensional
manifestation.
821
00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:04,067
WILLIAM SHATNER: A
terrifying creature attacks
822
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,830
Steven Krueger's truck on
a lonely Wisconsin road.
823
00:40:08,967 --> 00:40:11,997
Was it a werewolf?
824
00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:15,773
Or a wolf that's learned
to walk like a man?
825
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,900
Paranormal phenomena
expert Linda Godfrey
826
00:40:19,033 --> 00:40:21,373
apparently has the answer.
827
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,500
She was a reporter on
the scene when the first
828
00:40:23,633 --> 00:40:26,833
Bray Road Beast
sightings began in 1991.
829
00:40:26,967 --> 00:40:28,567
LINDA GODFREY: To my
surprise, when I began to
830
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,030
investigate, I found out
that there was a wide
831
00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:33,366
variety of witnesses, none
of them seemed to have
832
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,700
anything to gain by lying
or, and most of them were
833
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:40,504
genuinely frightened
by what they had seen.
834
00:40:40,633 --> 00:40:42,333
WILLIAM SHATNER: These
eyewitnesses described
835
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:43,867
a beast much like the
one that attacked
836
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Steven Krueger's truck.
837
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:48,670
LINDA GODFREY: They were
seeing a creature that...
838
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,630
stood 5 to 7 feet
tall, looked like an
839
00:40:51,767 --> 00:40:54,727
upright wolf running or
walking on its hind legs.
840
00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:56,667
WILLIAM SHATNER: Godfrey's
investigation led her to
841
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,930
a startling revelation: the
creature isn't from this
842
00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:02,696
world at all.
843
00:41:02,834 --> 00:41:04,074
LINDA GODFREY: It's
some sort of...other
844
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,230
dimensional manifestation,
similar to the native
845
00:41:07,367 --> 00:41:10,427
American concept of spirit
creatures that cross back
846
00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:14,427
and forth from a
spirit world to ours.
847
00:41:14,567 --> 00:41:16,227
WILLIAM SHATNER: Does the
Bray Road Beast travel at
848
00:41:16,367 --> 00:41:21,797
will between our reality
and another beyond?
849
00:41:21,934 --> 00:41:25,134
Yes, says Godfrey
- and here's how.
850
00:41:25,266 --> 00:41:28,366
They use ancient Native
American religious sites
851
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,970
as portals to
the spirit world.
852
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,030
They're called "effigy
mounds" - man-made piles
853
00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:36,466
of earth in the
shape of animals.
854
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,130
And Wisconsin has more of them
than anywhere in the world.
855
00:41:40,266 --> 00:41:41,826
LINDA GODFREY: They
represented different
856
00:41:41,967 --> 00:41:44,227
facets of the animal
kingdom, from water
857
00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:48,627
creatures to land
creatures to air creatures.
858
00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:50,897
The people who built the
effigy mounds, their
859
00:41:51,033 --> 00:41:54,803
shamans were able to bring
forth spirits that would
860
00:41:54,934 --> 00:41:56,704
guard the mounds.
861
00:41:56,834 --> 00:41:58,174
WILLIAM SHATNER:
Could this be true?
862
00:41:58,300 --> 00:41:59,670
Well think about this.
863
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,470
Most sightings of the Bray
Road Beast have taken
864
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,200
place in or around
effigy mounds.
865
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:09,203
Is the creature somehow
using ancient religious
866
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:12,933
sites as a gateway from
another dimension?
867
00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:16,626
LINDA GODFREY: It just
is very odd that the hot
868
00:42:16,767 --> 00:42:20,227
spots of dog man sightings
are all very close to
869
00:42:20,367 --> 00:42:23,827
these concentrations of
certain types of effigy mounds.
870
00:42:23,967 --> 00:42:26,067
I don't pretend to fully
understand it, ...and I hope
871
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
someday that I figure out a
little bit more about it.
872
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,670
WILLIAM SHATNER: Was the
creature that terrified
873
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,470
Steven Krueger a supernatural
being from another world?
874
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,930
Is the Bray Road Beast a
wolf that evolved to walk
875
00:42:39,066 --> 00:42:40,596
on two legs?
876
00:42:40,734 --> 00:42:45,374
Or are werewolves real -
and living in Wisconsin?
877
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:48,630
Whatever the truth, this
story is most definitely
878
00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,467
weird or what?
879
00:42:50,600 --> 00:43:00,630
[♪]
880
00:43:05,734 --> 00:43:07,534
WILLIAM SHATNER: So there
we have it - three stories of
881
00:43:07,667 --> 00:43:11,097
mysterious creatures that seem
to be half-man, half-beast.
882
00:43:12,734 --> 00:43:15,874
A winged demon suggests an
18th century legend is true.
883
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,700
Does the Jersey
Devil really exist?
884
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:21,896
A Lizard-Man terrorizes
residents of a
885
00:43:22,033 --> 00:43:25,173
South Carolina community.
886
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:29,530
Is it a highly
evolved dinosaur?
887
00:43:29,667 --> 00:43:34,727
A giant wolf-like creature is
repeatedly seen in Wisconsin.
888
00:43:34,867 --> 00:43:38,897
Is the Bray Road Beast
a real-life werewolf?
889
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,373
You decide.
890
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:41,700
WILLIAM SHATNER: Join me
again next time for more
891
00:43:41,834 --> 00:43:46,704
stories that will
undoubtedly be weird or what?
892
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:59,503
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