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WILLIAM SHATNER: You know,
I've been around for a while.
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Met some interesting people,
done some crazy things.
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So you just might think
that there's not much that
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can take me by surprise.
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You'd be wrong.
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The world is full of
stories and science and
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things that amaze and
confound me every single day,
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incredible mysteries
that keep me awake at night.
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Some I can answer.
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Others just defy logic.
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NARRATOR: Do ghosts exist?
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Should we fear
the paranormal?
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In California, a woman is
terrorized by an invisible
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attacker.
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Is she the victim of
a genuine haunting?
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BARRY TAFF: Forget the silly
movies that are out there.
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This is real.
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NARRATOR: In New England,
a mother undergoes a
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violent transformation.
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Has she been
possessed by a demon?
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BOB LARSON: It'll make a
cold chill go up your spine.
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NARRATOR: And a British
teenager claims to see ghosts.
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Does she have the gift?
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FAE JACKSON: Like the
fear, it was uncontrollable.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Yeah,
it's a weird world.
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And I love it.
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[♪]
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Have
you ever seen a ghost?
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Over ninety million North
Americans claim to have
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done just that and forty
million others say they
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have physically experienced
a paranormal event.
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Many of these events are
easily explained but some
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are not only weird and
inexplicable - most
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disturbing of all, they seem
to be evidence of pure evil.
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Do ghosts exist?
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And what are they anyway?
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Is the paranormal
something we should fear?
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Or is it simply
uh...
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hogwash?
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NARRATOR: August
8th, 1989.
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Barry Taff, one of the
world's leading paranormal
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investigators, responds to
the call of a distressed
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woman in San
Pedro, California.
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He brings along a
colleague, photographer
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Jeff Wheatcraft.
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BARRY TAFF: After five
thousand cases, you go out
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expecting nothing to
happen and most of the
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time that's exactly what
does occur - nothing.
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NARRATOR: The terrified
woman is Jackie Hernandez,
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a single mother who claims
that someone or something
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has turned her home
into a living hell.
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BARRY TAFF: She reported
apparitions of an old man,
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strange lights.
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Somebody tried to smother
her a couple times.
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Things were flying at her.
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It was extraordinary.
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NARRATOR: But perhaps
most chilling, on several
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occasions Jackie claims to
have seen a corpse in her
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son's bed.
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Intrigued, the ghost
hunters decide to look around.
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BARRY TAFF: I have this
attitude where I'm very
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skeptical because you
know that a lot of people
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embellish and exaggerate and
misrepresent what's going on.
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NARRATOR: But in Jackie's
house they find something
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unexpected -
and very weird.
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BARRY TAFF: We were taking
pictures all over the
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house and we saw this
strange liquid - I don't
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know what, viscous liquid
dripping out of a wall.
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NARRATOR: Unable to
explain the weird slime,
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Taff is now convinced
Jackie's not faking
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anything and real
paranormal activity is
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occurring in her home.
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They take samples and
promise to return,
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but just three days
later - another call.
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This time, it's
an emergency.
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Whatever is in Jackie's
house is on a rampage.
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The physical attacks have
become so violent and
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severe she fears
for her life.
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BARRY TAFF: I was
unavailable because my
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father had a heart attack.
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So they were
there without me.
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NARRATOR: Jackie
reports the evil entity is
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now in her attic.
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It has been tormenting her
with strange lights and
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ear-shattering banging.
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Jeff and Gary decide
to investigate.
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Nothing could prepare
them for what they find.
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BARRY TAFF: They hear
'ohh' like a yell or a moan
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and Gary turned back
to see what happened to
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Jeff and he couldn't see.
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It was too dark
in the attic.
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NARRATOR: Despite his
terror, Gary snaps some
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photos in the darkness.
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What they reveal will
haunt them forever.
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BARRY TAFF: You can see
that Jeff, a six foot two
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man, about two hundred and
fifteen pounds, something has
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wrapped itself around his
neck and it's pulling up,
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him up against the
rafter and, yet,
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there was no one there.
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It was Jeff and Gary.
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And he cut him down.
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He had a rope
burn on his neck.
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It would have killed him.
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The question is there was
no one else there, so what
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tried to kill him?
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How and why?
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NARRATOR: Something had tried
to murder Jeff Wheatcraft.
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The investigators leave
the house only to make
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another chilling
discovery.
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The forensic lab report
on the ooze from Jackie's
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walls is in.
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BARRY TAFF: The conclusion
was it was human blood plasma.
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That's something you will
lose sleep over literally.
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Forget the silly movies
that are out there.
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This is real.
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NARRATOR: Now certain they
are dealing with an evil
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homicidal phenomenon, they
tell Jackie to get out and
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never come back.
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What was in Jackie
Hernandez's house,
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and was it out to kill?
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Jackie's story became known
as The San Pedro Haunting -
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one of the most
mysterious paranormal
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events in history.
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But what really happened?
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NARRATOR: Javier Ortega is
a paranormal researcher.
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He has no doubt.
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JAVIER ORTEGA: The Jackie
Hernandez case is a very
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extreme case
of a haunting.
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If somebody dared me to go
in the house, I wouldn't
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set foot in there.
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NARRATOR: Haunting - we've
all heard of it but what
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does it really mean?
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JAVIER ORTEGA: In a
haunting it's usually uh
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the spirit of a deceased
person, the homeowner that
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passed away in that house
and they were so attached
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to the physical object or
location that they come back.
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NARRATOR: Was Jackie's
house haunted by someone
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who had died there?
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Incredibly, the
investigation uncovered
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something bizarre.
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JAVIER ORTEGA: During
the investigation of the
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Jackie Hernandez case, she
reported that her and some
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friends were playing with
the Ouija board and they
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were able to talk with the
spirit in the house and
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the spirit had told them
that he was a marine that
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was murdered.
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So they went out and they
did some research and they
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found out that there was
a marine named
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Herman Hendrickson who was
found dead in 1930.
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NARRATOR: Was the spirit
of a murdered marine
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responsible for the attacks
on Jackie and Wheatcraft?
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Does a haunting explain the
other things she experienced?
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JAVIER ORTEGA: A lot of
the things that were
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reported were apparitions.
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You know, whether it was a
disembodied head floating
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in the attic or a uh
a corpse-like old man
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sitting in her
child's bed.
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Uh she, she also reported
seeing strange lights.
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They were described as
globs of, of luminous light.
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Free-floating globs of
light have been reported
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in haunted places as well.
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NARRATOR: But for Ortega,
the most compelling
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evidence of a haunting is
that mysterious goo Barry
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and Jeff found oozing
from Jackie's walls.
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JAVIER ORTEGA: I mean
it just sounds so, so
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bizarre, you know, that
you would have human blood
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plasma oozing from the
walls and when they
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checked, there wasn't any
device that, you know,
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that was emitting
this substance.
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So that to me has to be
one of the most compelling
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cases in the paranormal.
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NARRATOR: Was the marine
so angry about being
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murdered that he bled
through Jackie's walls?
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Incredibly, Ortega thinks
Jackie wasn't the only victim.
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JAVIER ORTEGA: When
Jackie Hernandez left the
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premise, people who
inhabited that home
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have also reported
strange activities.
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If you have the same
reports happening year
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after year on the same
location when there's
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different tenants, it
usually tends to uh to
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point towards it being
a location haunting.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: What
an incredible story.
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You know I mean strange
things happen around my
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house too but once I say
I'm sorry everything's forgiven.
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But human blood dripping
from walls and a spirit
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that is so angry it
tries to kill you?
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I mean who they
gonna call?
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Ghostbusters?
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[chuckles] I've always
wanted to say that.
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NARRATOR: Was Jackie Hernandez
the victim of a haunting?
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Or was it something else?
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LOYD AUERBACH: It does
not appear that the house
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would fit the
classic haunting.
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NARRATOR: A terrified
woman reports extreme
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paranormal events in her
home - weird lights,
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strange noises, even
physical attacks.
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Did Jackie Hernandez
live in a haunted house?
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LOYD AUERBACH: It does
not appear that the house
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would fit the
classic haunting.
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NARRATOR: Loyd Auerbach is
a paranormal investigator.
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He believes the answer
isn't ghosts at all.
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LOYD AUERBACH: Knowing
what I know about the
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Jackie Hernandez case, it
seemed that she herself
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was a poltergeist agent.
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NARRATOR: Poltergeist?
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Isn't that just a
hyperactive ghost?
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Or is there a difference?
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LOYD AUERBACH: What we
learned in the last
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hundred years is that
these things relate
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typically not to ghost
sightings, not to
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hauntings per se, not to a
place being haunted but to
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a person, an individual
in this situation, who is
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typically stressed or
otherwise put upon.
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NARRATOR: Many now believe
poltergeists are not
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ghosts but a manifestation
of something called
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psychokinesis.
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LOYD AUERBACH: We call it
PK for short and it's the
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idea that the mind can
directly interact or
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affect matter and energy.
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We typically think of it
in the paranormal world as
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affecting things outside
your body, whether it be
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moving objects, what
people often call
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telekinesis, or bending
metal or even healing.
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NARRATOR: Was Jackie
Hernandez herself causing
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the weird phenomenon
in her own house?
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If so, why?
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And for that matter, how?
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LOYD AUERBACH: Certain
people, their unconscious
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minds let loose.
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I mean we see people who
are stressed out, who are
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put upon in society in
really expressing that
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stress in different ways.
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Some people get enraged
and they break things,
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some people shoot people,
some people keep it
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bottled up and it can
explode in kind of a
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different direction for
certain individuals,
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which is a psychokinetic
direction.
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And we call those situations
where there's stress,
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think of it as an
unconscious temper tantrum.
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NARRATOR: Was Jackie's
unconscious mind throwing
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a temper tantrum?
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And if so, why?
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It could be due to the
fact she was experiencing
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emotional issues at
the time, following a
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difficult divorce.
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LOYD AUERBACH: There was
enough going on in her
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life and frankly enough
psychological issues that
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would indicate that she
was responsible for most
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of the phenomena
that was happening.
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In most poltergeist cases,
people rarely ever think
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of themselves
as the agent.
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NARRATOR: According
to Auerbach, the most
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compelling argument that
Jackie was both the victim
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and the problem is what
happened when she moved
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six hundred
kilometers away.
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Incredibly, the vicious
paranormal attacks
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on her continued.
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LOYD AUERBACH: In
poltergeist cases when
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people move, the phenomena
follows them because it's
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coming from them and that
also happened in that
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particular case.
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NARRATOR: But if Jackie
was her own poltergeist,
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how is it that the new
tenants also reported
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paranormal attacks?
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LOYD AUERBACH: We've had
cases where people have
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heard about the case and
have gone home and because
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they're so freaked out by
the situation they start
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witnessing things.
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That has happened.
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So you can think of it
almost like a contagious idea.
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It is possible that it
was a haunted house.
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It is possible there
was an entity there.
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We can't completely
exclude that, but it best
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fit the poltergeist model.
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NARRATOR: Could it be
that Jackie herself was
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responsible for the
weird goings on?
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Or were they the result of
an altogether different
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kind of bad vibe?
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Professor John Huntington
believes the Jackie
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Hernandez case can be
explained by undetectable
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audio waves known
as infrasound.
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JOHN HUNTINGTON: Sound is just
the vibration in air pressure.
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That's how we perceive it,
and that's how it gets
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into your ear.
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Infrasound is below the
range that we can hear as
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an audible sound.
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NARRATOR: Human ears
can't detect ultra low
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frequencies.
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If it's below twenty
hertz, you can't hear it.
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JOHN HUNTINGTON: Your body
makes lots of sounds down
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at very low frequencies
such as your heartbeat,
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the movement of your
blood, breath noise coming
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in and out of your body.
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If we could hear all that
it would drive us crazy
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but we're still being
affected by it.
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The sound wave is still
impinging on our bodies.
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NARRATOR: But other than
our own bodies, what might
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cause these low
frequencies?
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JOHN HUNTINGTON: Manmade
sources of infrasound
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could be anything from
a piece of air handling
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equipment in a building,
anything like a train, a truck.
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Anything that's big stuff
that's moving could
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generate these very low,
low frequency sounds.
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NARRATOR: Incredibly,
Huntington believes low
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frequency sound waves
could have caused
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Jackie Hernandez's
unpleasant experiences.
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JOHN HUNTINGTON: So in
addition to things like
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headaches and nausea being
caused by exposure to
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infrasound, there have
been some reports of
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feeling a presence or some
sort of hallucination or
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feeling like strange things
are going on in the room.
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NARRATOR: Can infrasound
exposure mimic the
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experience of a haunting?
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JOHN HUNTINGTON:
In-infrasound could
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possibly cause something
like a hallucination or an
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apparition or some other
things like that based on
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the vibration of the sound wave
actually affecting the eye.
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The eye itself could
resonate or get a very
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strong sort of vibration
and that could cause
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blurring of vision or
possible issues around the
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periphery of the vision.
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Those things coupled with
already being in sort of
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a, a spooky location,
being on edge by the
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infrasound, could
certainly cause some sort
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of ghostly experiences.
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NARRATOR: Could
Huntington's theory be correct?
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Does the paranormal
activity witnessed in
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San Pedro have a rational
explanation?
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And does it explain human
plasma oozing from the wall?
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Was Jackie's home haunted?
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Or was she her
own poltergeist?
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Whatever the answer, this story
is certainly Weird or What.
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NARRATOR: A Connecticut
housewife is tortured,
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from within.
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Has she been possessed
by an evil spirit?
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JOHN KOERNER: Demons like
to attack good people.
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WILLIAM SHATNER: Many of
us have experienced events
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that we would call
paranormal but in fact are
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just things that are
harmless and easily
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explained, but what
is the paranormal?
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And does it exist?
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Even the name is a little,
well, weird and scary.
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Here's the way it's
described in the dictionary.
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Paranormal: the claimed
occurrence of an event
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without scientific
explanation...
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[sighs]
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as psychokinesis...
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[sighs]
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...extrasensory
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perception of other
purportedly
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supernatural phenomena.
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All right, come
on, that's it. Out.
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You can fool some
- oh boy oh boy.
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But some people experience
paranormal events that are real
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- so real in
fact they're deadly.
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Weird - or what?
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NARRATOR: History
professor John Koerner
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studies reports of
paranormal activity.
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None have haunted him more than
the story of Patricia Reading.
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JOHN KOERNER: By all
accounts she was a good person.
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I mean there's nothing you
can see in her past that
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would indicate why
this happens to her.
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NARRATOR: In 1992,
Patricia's life took a
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terrifying turn.
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Doing chores around her
home in Litchfield,
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Connecticut, she suddenly
hears a terrifying voice.
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[distorted voice]
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JOHN KOERNER: She felt
what she thought was an
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evil presence that
was around her.
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There was nothing that
could explain this.
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NARRATOR: Patricia tries
to brush it off, but the
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eerie voice won't stop.
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Ever.
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[distorted voice]
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It's the beginning of
a horrifying ordeal.
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[distorted voice]
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PATRICIA: Stop!
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JOHN KOERNER: The situation
got much, much worse.
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Pat had a number of things
that were happening to her
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that were very unusual.
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There were bite marks on
the back of her neck,
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bruises on the back of her
body, things she could not
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do by herself.
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NARRATOR: What could be
inflicting Patricia's
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vicious bruises
and other injuries?
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It's a frightening
and bizarre mystery.
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Devastated and disturbed,
she seeks help.
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JOHN KOERNER: The family
took Patricia Reading to
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the hospital to
local doctors.
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They ruled out all of the
conditions that could
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possibly be affecting her.
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NARRATOR: With no medical
explanation, Patricia
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resorts to hoping her
problems will simply go away.
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JOHN KOERNER: But then
things started getting
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much worse after that.
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[maniacal laughter]
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JOHN KOERNER: She was
knocked over horribly.
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She did not know
what is happening.
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NARRATOR: Again and again,
a seemingly evil presence
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hurls her into the wall.
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JOHN KOERNER: These are
things that never could
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happen to Pat Reading
in a normal situation.
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She is not herself.
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She's becoming
someone else.
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NARRATOR: Fearing for her
safety, Patricia has only
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one place to turn.
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JOHN KOERNER: At that
point the Catholic church
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got involved.
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NARRATOR: Patricia's bishop
takes her claims seriously.
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After an examination, he
reaches an incredible
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conclusion.
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JOHN KOERNER: He did make
the diagnosis, yes, she is
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possessed.
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Demons like to
attack good people.
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NARRATOR: There's only
one solution, an ancient
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ritual as old as
the church itself.
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The bishop decides he
will perform an exorcism.
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JOHN KOERNER: He called
upon a demon to reveal
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himself and say who you
are, reveal yourself in
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the name Jesus Christ.
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NARRATOR: At first, the
demon stays hidden.
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But not for long.
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[moans, speaking in tongues]
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JOHN KOERNER: She was
speaking in a language
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that she could not speak
in normally, trying to
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insult the priest, insult
his family, things that
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she never would have
done on her own.
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These are pretty clear
signs you're dealing with
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a, an evil entity inside
the person's body.
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NARRATOR: Having forced
the demon into the open,
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the real battle begins.
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JOHN KOERNER: Things like
holy objects, this often
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can anger the demon.
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These are tools in a war
that can cause them to be
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so upset.
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The words of Christ makes
them so angry, so it has
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to be said over
and over again.
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It's a war of attrition.
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NARRATOR: The battle
rages for hours.
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At long last,
something breaks.
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JOHN KOERNER: The demons,
they'll get so upset they
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just can't take this any
longer and they'll go
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somewhere else.
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They'll go bother
somebody else.
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NARRATOR: The exhausting
battle ends with the
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demons on the run, but
before long they're back.
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JOHN KOERNER:
Evil is real.
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It can affect someone
in some horrible ways.
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NARRATOR: Sadly, Patricia
runs out of time.
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After sixteen exorcisms,
in 2005 she dies of cancer
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believed to be
caused by her demons.
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[distorted voice]
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Incredibly, Patricia's
story is far from the only one.
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An estimated 15,000 exorcisms
are performed each year.
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Can evil really
live inside us?
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Or is there some other way to
explain demonic possession?
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Christopher Rosik
is a psychologist.
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He says he knows exactly what
happened to Patricia Reading.
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CHRISTOPHER ROSIK:
Coming from a religious
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perspective you might
assume that this must be
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a, a demonic presence
but as a psychologist my
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diagnosis would be
dissociative identity disorder.
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NARRATOR: Better known
as a split personality,
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Disassociative Identity
Disorder is when two or
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more personalities
inhabit one mind.
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An abusive childhood can
sometimes cause such a
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psychological break.
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One personality becomes
the happy face, the person
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the world sees.
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The other deals with all
the hidden pain, shame
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and suffering.
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CHRISTOPHER ROSIK: The
primary personality is
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unaware of the
other personality.
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They might hear voices and
these sort of signs but
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they don't know
what it's about.
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NARRATOR: Were the demonic
voices Patricia heard
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really the screams
of a tortured second
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personality?
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PATRICIA: Stop.
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NARRATOR: Could it have
even tried to hurt her?
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CHRISTOPHER ROSIK: I had a
patient who would end up
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in a graveyard with a
blade in her hand and
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having cut her arm.
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NARRATOR: Is a
self-destructive alter ego
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responsible for
Patricia's injuries?
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Can psychology explain
the power of an exorcism?
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CHRISTOPHER ROSIK: The
prayer, the ritual has in
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fact just served to
rearrange these separate
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identities such that they
have receded from the
494
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,170
host's awareness.
495
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,870
They don't hear
the voice anymore.
496
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,670
Then what I experience
happening with some
497
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,900
patients is that maybe
weeks or months later the
498
00:24:16,033 --> 00:24:17,873
voices come back.
499
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,700
Everything I'm saying here
is in no way meant to
500
00:24:19,834 --> 00:24:26,774
malign the value of
religious spiritual care
501
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,100
but there are some
psychological ways of
502
00:24:29,233 --> 00:24:31,303
understanding these
experiences that really
503
00:24:31,433 --> 00:24:33,303
should be taken
into account.
504
00:24:36,467 --> 00:24:38,327
WILLIAM SHATNER:
Demonic possession.
505
00:24:38,467 --> 00:24:42,467
Ordinary people suddenly
possessed by nasty entities.
506
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Ring a bell?
507
00:24:43,734 --> 00:24:45,274
Ah, you know, I've seen
all the movies -
508
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,500
Omen 1, 2, 3, the Exorcist
- the lot.
509
00:24:47,633 --> 00:24:49,003
And guess what?
510
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:52,673
Not only do they not scare
me but I don't believe them.
511
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,570
[lightning, thunder]
512
00:25:01,066 --> 00:25:03,726
I mean just because it
gets a little stormy
513
00:25:03,867 --> 00:25:06,267
doesn't mean the devil is
on his way to take over
514
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,900
your soul, does it?
515
00:25:09,033 --> 00:25:11,073
And as for all that other
ridiculous stuff like
516
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,170
twisting heads and
speaking in strange tongues
517
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:21,430
[talks backwards].
518
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:31,233
NARRATOR: Is demonic
possession all in our heads?
519
00:25:31,367 --> 00:25:34,927
Or is there a more
frightening answer?
520
00:25:35,066 --> 00:25:37,866
BOB LARSON: What Satan can
do is invade human bodies.
521
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,230
NARRATOR: A Connecticut
woman appears to have been
522
00:25:48,367 --> 00:25:50,067
possessed by
an evil demon.
523
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,130
Could she be suffering
from a split personality?
524
00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:58,066
Or is the explanation
far more terrifying?
525
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,900
Reverend Bob Larson is not
your average man of god.
526
00:26:04,033 --> 00:26:07,433
BOB LARSON: I am, among
other things, an exorcist.
527
00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,227
NARRATOR: Larson has
studied Patricia Reading's
528
00:26:09,367 --> 00:26:12,727
possession and is
convinced it was real.
529
00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:16,273
BOB LARSON: There are
those who would like to
530
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,870
have the public believe that
demonic possession is rare.
531
00:26:22,066 --> 00:26:24,896
I can tell you
it's not rare.
532
00:26:25,033 --> 00:26:29,973
It'll make a cold
chill go up your spine.
533
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,300
NARRATOR: Are demons
really all around us?
534
00:26:35,433 --> 00:26:36,933
Are they trying to take
over the bodies of
535
00:26:37,066 --> 00:26:40,796
innocent humans?
536
00:26:40,934 --> 00:26:42,104
BOB LARSON: The bible
teaches that when Satan
537
00:26:42,233 --> 00:26:44,703
was cast out of heaven,
a third of the angels
538
00:26:44,834 --> 00:26:48,874
involved in that insurrection
were cast out with him.
539
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,700
NARRATOR: According to the
Book of Revelation,
540
00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:53,704
when Satan lost his war with
God he and his followers
541
00:26:53,834 --> 00:26:57,274
were banished to the
spirit realm on earth.
542
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,930
BOB LARSON: Satan is now
an invisible spirit being.
543
00:27:02,066 --> 00:27:04,596
Satan can't pull the
trigger of a gun but what
544
00:27:04,734 --> 00:27:08,134
Satan can do is invade
human bodies and those
545
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:12,466
people then become the
instruments of evil.
546
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,870
NARRATOR: Larson believes
demonic possession has a
547
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,030
firm basis in scripture.
548
00:27:17,166 --> 00:27:19,266
He's also certain that
Patricia's condition
549
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,070
wasn't a case of
split personality.
550
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,870
BOB LARSON: I deal a lot
with multiple personality
551
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,270
disorder.
552
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,200
I know the difference.
553
00:27:29,333 --> 00:27:32,233
When you see the demon
have such utter hatred for
554
00:27:32,367 --> 00:27:37,167
God and religious objects
such as the cross,
555
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:41,830
that aversion means it's
something more than psychosis.
556
00:27:41,967 --> 00:27:44,567
That's when you know
they are possessed.
557
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,930
NARRATOR: But there's one
thing Larson believes is
558
00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:51,696
the ultimate proof
of demonic presence.
559
00:27:51,834 --> 00:27:53,734
BOB LARSON: In the
Pat Reading case,
560
00:27:53,867 --> 00:27:55,197
she apparently spoke in
another language.
561
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:57,933
I've seen this happen thousands
and thousands of times.
562
00:27:58,066 --> 00:27:59,866
I had a woman speak
Chinese one time.
563
00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:02,696
I had a fascinating case
where a strange language
564
00:28:02,834 --> 00:28:04,734
was being spoken and a
college professor with a
565
00:28:04,867 --> 00:28:08,967
PhD in ancient Semitic
languages, he said I can
566
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,630
come up and tell you exactly
what the voice was saying.
567
00:28:13,767 --> 00:28:16,327
NARRATOR: Could these
foreign, even forgotten
568
00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:20,997
languages prove that Satan
is carrying on an age-old
569
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:25,373
war by invading the
bodies of humans?
570
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:27,230
BOB LARSON: To the
skeptics who may not
571
00:28:27,367 --> 00:28:29,467
believe in demonic
possession, I say travel
572
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,100
with me and meet the
thousands of people who
573
00:28:32,233 --> 00:28:33,733
have had exorcisms.
574
00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:37,197
When you see the smile and
the glow on the person's
575
00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:40,733
face as they say to you,
wow, I didn't know I could
576
00:28:40,867 --> 00:28:44,367
feel like this,
something is gone.
577
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,700
That's why I do exorcisms.
578
00:28:47,834 --> 00:28:50,334
NARRATOR: Are exorcisms
ultimate proof that
579
00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:54,467
devilish spirits
still roam the earth?
580
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,030
Could reports of demonic
possession be explained by
581
00:28:57,166 --> 00:28:59,926
a misunderstood
mental illness?
582
00:29:00,133 --> 00:29:03,873
Or is everyone
simply making it up?
583
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,030
Whatever the truth, this
mystery is most definitely
584
00:29:07,166 --> 00:29:09,166
weird...
585
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:11,400
or what?
586
00:29:11,533 --> 00:29:21,503
[♪]
587
00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:31,273
WILLIAM SHATNER: I don't
know about you but stories
588
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,100
of ghosts and the paranormal
send shivers up my spine.
589
00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:35,433
But that's kinda
fun, right?
590
00:29:35,567 --> 00:29:38,067
But do spirits or ghosts
or whatever they are
591
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,370
always have to be evil?
592
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:41,600
Aren't there any friendly
dead people out there?
593
00:29:41,734 --> 00:29:42,904
I hope so.
594
00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:46,373
But there's some people
who not only enjoy having
595
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,900
ghosts around, they can
talk to them whenever they like.
596
00:29:49,033 --> 00:29:50,703
How?
597
00:29:50,834 --> 00:29:53,904
They've got the gift.
598
00:29:56,867 --> 00:29:59,367
NARRATOR: In just about
every way, Fae Jackson is
599
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,830
an average teenage girl.
600
00:30:01,967 --> 00:30:03,867
FAE JACKSON: I like to
shop and just hang out
601
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,800
with my friends.
602
00:30:05,934 --> 00:30:07,674
NARRATOR: While Fae's life
appears to be ordinary,
603
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,570
in truth she and her family
are dealing with something
604
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,970
so sensitive they've
chosen to conceal their
605
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,330
appearance.
606
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,900
LYNN JACKSON: Although
it has become part of
607
00:30:20,033 --> 00:30:21,333
everyday life for us,
it's still at times
608
00:30:21,467 --> 00:30:23,597
frightening.
609
00:30:23,734 --> 00:30:25,434
NARRATOR: Fae's story
began three years ago when
610
00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:26,467
she was ten.
611
00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:33,703
FAE JACKSON: I was sitting
in my bedroom on my own.
612
00:30:33,834 --> 00:30:37,574
I could feel a man
sitting next to me.
613
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:41,730
LYNN JACKSON: She could
feel like an energy,
614
00:30:41,867 --> 00:30:43,397
like a presence next to her.
615
00:30:45,166 --> 00:30:46,926
FAE JACKSON: And I could
just feel his breath in my
616
00:30:47,066 --> 00:30:50,026
ear and it was all warm.
617
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:52,396
LYNN JACKSON: And then she
heard him whispering in her ear.
618
00:30:52,533 --> 00:30:54,073
VOICE: Can you hear me?
619
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,370
FAE JACKSON:
Can you hear me?
620
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:57,870
VOICE: Can you hear me?
621
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,230
NARRATOR: Fae
races to her mom.
622
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,470
FAE JACKSON: Like the fear, I
just, it was uncontrollable.
623
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400
I just, it was
unexplainable.
624
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:12,533
LYNN JACKSON: The child
was absolutely terrified
625
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:16,197
and I was scared for
her, to be honest.
626
00:31:16,333 --> 00:31:17,933
NARRATOR: When Lynn takes
her daughter back to the
627
00:31:18,066 --> 00:31:19,566
room, the man is gone.
628
00:31:22,433 --> 00:31:25,103
But Fae is in no doubt as
to what she's experienced.
629
00:31:26,367 --> 00:31:27,967
FAE JACKSON: I saw
my first ghost.
630
00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:30,697
NARRATOR: Terrifyingly,
Fae's encounter was just
631
00:31:30,834 --> 00:31:31,934
the beginning.
632
00:31:33,834 --> 00:31:36,874
FAE JACKSON: The spirits
started regularly visiting me.
633
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,800
They'd only come when I
was on my own and when
634
00:31:39,934 --> 00:31:42,974
they did just random spirits
would walk into my bedroom.
635
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,130
NARRATOR: Fae is haunted
by hundreds of ghosts.
636
00:31:48,266 --> 00:31:51,466
Sometimes she sees as
many as five a night.
637
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,070
LYNN JACKSON: Sometimes
they just want to show her
638
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,000
how they died, which is a
little bit grim at times
639
00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:59,633
and she's only thirteen.
640
00:31:59,767 --> 00:32:04,597
NARRATOR: The ghosts
begin getting bolder.
641
00:32:04,734 --> 00:32:06,874
LYNN JACKSON: There was an
instant when her bed was shook,
642
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,400
which completely
terrified me.
643
00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:12,033
FAE JACKSON: I just felt
like I was being attacked.
644
00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:13,466
It was horrible.
645
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,870
It was, felt really
dangerous and I felt like
646
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,330
I was on my own.
647
00:32:18,834 --> 00:32:19,604
LYNN JACKSON: That was
when I knew we had to do
648
00:32:19,734 --> 00:32:21,504
something about it.
649
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,970
NARRATOR: At her
wits' end, Lynn seeks
650
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,670
professional advice.
651
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,370
LYNN JACKSON: We got lots
of help from local mediums
652
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,170
who understood
what was happening.
653
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:34,700
NARRATOR: Far from
seeing it as something
654
00:32:34,834 --> 00:32:37,104
frightening, the mediums
tell them Fae's ability to
655
00:32:37,233 --> 00:32:40,503
see and connect with the
dead is a gift, and a very
656
00:32:40,633 --> 00:32:43,233
rare one at that.
657
00:32:43,367 --> 00:32:46,227
LYNN JACKSON: They taught
Fae techniques that she
658
00:32:46,367 --> 00:32:49,867
could use to take more of
a control over her gift
659
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
and to see it as
a gift, really.
660
00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:55,527
NARRATOR: With the help
of psychic mediums,
661
00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:59,327
the support of her mother
and lots of hard work,
662
00:32:59,467 --> 00:33:04,267
Fae finally mastered her gift.
663
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,530
FAE JACKSON: It's like I
have two lives: Like I
664
00:33:06,667 --> 00:33:09,267
live one life where I'm
just a normal girl and
665
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,400
then other times I
can talk to spirits.
666
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:15,133
So it's really
quite exciting.
667
00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:22,626
WILLIAM SHATNER:
I see dead people.
668
00:33:22,767 --> 00:33:24,427
That's something else I've
always wanted to say,
669
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:26,197
but I can't 'cause I don't.
670
00:33:26,333 --> 00:33:27,533
Well not when
I'm sober anyway.
671
00:33:27,667 --> 00:33:31,627
But incredibly, it may
be because I'm an adult.
672
00:33:31,767 --> 00:33:33,967
You see, Fae isn't alone.
673
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:36,200
Millions of other children
see dead people too.
674
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:37,473
How?
675
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,370
Do they possess a special
power, a sixth sense?
676
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:45,730
And is it a gift
- or a curse?
677
00:33:45,867 --> 00:33:48,467
Weird or what?
678
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,930
NARRATOR: Thirteen-year-old
Fae Jackson
679
00:34:01,066 --> 00:34:02,796
claims she
can see ghosts.
680
00:34:02,934 --> 00:34:07,534
Do children
possess the gift?
681
00:34:07,667 --> 00:34:10,467
Who better to ask about
children who see ghosts
682
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,800
than Caron Goode, author
of 'Children Who See Ghosts.'
683
00:34:16,934 --> 00:34:19,274
CARON GOODE: To discover
that children see ghosts
684
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,100
and talk with ghosts,
to me it was exciting.
685
00:34:25,233 --> 00:34:26,603
NARRATOR: After more
than twenty-five years
686
00:34:26,734 --> 00:34:30,104
researching the special
abilities of young minds,
687
00:34:30,233 --> 00:34:34,373
Goode has reached an
incredible conclusion.
688
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,130
CARON GOODE: Children are
more predisposed to see
689
00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:38,996
ghosts than adults are
primarily because of their
690
00:34:39,133 --> 00:34:41,633
brain power.
691
00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:44,197
The sixth sense begins
to develop in children
692
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,933
between the ages of
eighteen months all the
693
00:34:47,066 --> 00:34:51,096
way up through five to six
years and the reason is
694
00:34:51,233 --> 00:34:53,803
because their, their
brain is going through a
695
00:34:53,934 --> 00:34:57,874
tremendous growth spurt.
696
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,770
NARRATOR: We've all heard
of the sixth sense but
697
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:00,400
what is it?
698
00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:04,603
What does it do that
your other five can't?
699
00:35:04,734 --> 00:35:06,574
CARON GOODE: When I
discuss with the parent,
700
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,730
for example, what is the
sixth sense I explain it
701
00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:13,127
to a parent as being
intuitive intelligence.
702
00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:17,366
Some people have a
heightened intuition.
703
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:21,400
NARRATOR: But where does
this sixth sense come from?
704
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:23,433
Is it a gift only
bestowed on some?
705
00:35:23,567 --> 00:35:28,067
Remarkably, Goode believes
it's an ability that's
706
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,300
within us all.
707
00:35:30,433 --> 00:35:33,133
CARON GOODE: The pineal
gland is located within
708
00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:38,766
the brain which actually
regulates light within our body.
709
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,770
I believe the pineal gland
can be a doorway to the
710
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,030
sixth sense.
711
00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:46,466
NARRATOR: But if we all
have the ability to access
712
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,300
our sixth sense, why do so
few children maintain this
713
00:35:50,433 --> 00:35:55,103
power into adulthood?
714
00:35:56,367 --> 00:35:58,197
CARON GOODE: As the
hormones change, children
715
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:03,203
go through brain wave
shifts, mood shifts and
716
00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:08,073
that's the time logic
develops and children may
717
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,200
turn away from their
intuition, their feelings.
718
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,570
If children have not
been encouraged in their
719
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,800
imagination, in their
conversations and sixth
720
00:36:18,934 --> 00:36:22,874
sense development, it can
shut down when cognition
721
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,130
sets in.
722
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:28,026
NARRATOR: Do children's
growing brains give them
723
00:36:28,166 --> 00:36:29,926
a sixth sense?
724
00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:32,866
Should a child's ghost
sightings be encouraged?
725
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,730
Do kids like Fae
really have the gift?
726
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:42,273
JACK ROURKE: My initial
reaction to reading the article
727
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,330
about Fae uh was quite
honestly is I wasn't impressed.
728
00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:50,927
NARRATOR: Psychic Jack
Rourke is an expert in
729
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,066
parapsychology.
730
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,770
Experience has taught him
that a far more mundane
731
00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:01,330
explanation may be at
work or, rather, at home.
732
00:37:03,033 --> 00:37:04,803
JACK ROURKE: There
is a phenomena called
733
00:37:04,934 --> 00:37:08,274
parentizing where in
essence there's a bit of a
734
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,430
role reversal where a
child can sometimes become
735
00:37:11,567 --> 00:37:13,527
the caretaker of the
parent or become the
736
00:37:13,667 --> 00:37:16,367
mirror to the parent.
737
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,730
NARRATOR: Rourke believes that
through parentizing children
738
00:37:18,867 --> 00:37:23,627
can be actively encouraged
to say they see ghosts.
739
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:26,800
JACK ROURKE: The more
positive reinforcement a
740
00:37:26,934 --> 00:37:30,374
child gets from their
parent that they are special,
741
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,830
that they are
extra-sensitive, that they
742
00:37:33,967 --> 00:37:36,227
have special empathic or
intuitive abilities,
743
00:37:36,367 --> 00:37:40,197
the more the child then
believes they're psychic
744
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:41,933
and I'll give you an
example of how this is done.
745
00:37:43,367 --> 00:37:44,727
A child wakes up in the
middle of the night from a
746
00:37:44,867 --> 00:37:48,127
horrible dream and is
talking about ghosts
747
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,996
chasing them and
things like this.
748
00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:53,403
You come in as the parent
and say no you're wrong.
749
00:37:53,533 --> 00:37:55,473
That didn't happen.
750
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,230
You lose the ability to
comfort the child because
751
00:37:58,367 --> 00:38:00,827
they've been made wrong.
752
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:03,927
Now I go into the room,
same scenario and I say
753
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:05,226
oh you saw a ghost
didn't you?
754
00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:07,467
Yes.
755
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,670
This is how it's done.
756
00:38:10,633 --> 00:38:12,573
NARRATOR: But why would a
child like Fae go along
757
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:14,970
with the idea of
seeing ghosts?
758
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,830
What's in it for her?
759
00:38:18,967 --> 00:38:20,227
JACK ROURKE: The
specialness of the child
760
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:22,767
in these circumstances
gives the child permission
761
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,670
to commiserate
with the parent.
762
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,070
They become their
emotional partner.
763
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,070
Um they go to
activities together.
764
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,600
They may go to certain
psychic functions and this
765
00:38:32,734 --> 00:38:34,604
unique relationship
becomes a reward to the
766
00:38:34,734 --> 00:38:38,674
child and in order to
maintain that closeness
767
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,430
with their parent, they
have to maintain the
768
00:38:41,567 --> 00:38:43,367
psychic identity.
769
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:47,270
GHOST: Can you hear me?
Can you hear me? [echoes]
770
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
NARRATOR: Are children who
see ghosts merely playing
771
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:53,673
out a fantasy with the
encouragement of their parents?
772
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,430
Is there nothing special
about them at all?
773
00:38:56,567 --> 00:39:01,527
Does the gift exist
in children at all?
774
00:39:01,667 --> 00:39:04,697
JOSHUA WARREN: A person
like Fae may be capable of
775
00:39:04,834 --> 00:39:11,004
seeing ghosts because she has
some physiological advantage.
776
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,330
NARRATOR: Thousands of
children across the globe
777
00:39:22,467 --> 00:39:26,267
claim they can
see dead people.
778
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:33,070
Do they have an extra special
sense known as the gift?
779
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,030
Paranormal investigator
Joshua P. Warren
780
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,826
believes there
could be a medical
781
00:39:37,967 --> 00:39:41,367
explanation for
this phenomena.
782
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,500
JOSHUA WARREN: A person
like Fae may be capable of
783
00:39:44,633 --> 00:39:50,033
seeing ghosts because she
has some physiological
784
00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:54,226
advantage in her
eyeballs themselves.
785
00:39:54,367 --> 00:39:58,967
Could Fae's eye have
powers the rest of ours don't?
786
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:04,270
Warren believes her secret
may be that she sees light
787
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,570
differently.
788
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:07,500
JOSHUA WARREN: Right now
all the data that we have
789
00:40:07,633 --> 00:40:13,333
indicates ghosts are more
visible in the infrared realm.
790
00:40:13,467 --> 00:40:16,297
Some of the best ghost
images I've seen have been
791
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:19,973
captured using
infrared technology.
792
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,000
NARRATOR: Could Fae be
seeing ghosts that are all
793
00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:25,833
around us, ghosts that
most of us miss because we
794
00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:28,697
can't see infrared?
795
00:40:28,834 --> 00:40:31,174
JOSHUA WARREN: The average
person can only see a
796
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:35,270
relatively narrow band of
light from usually around
797
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,530
green to red.
798
00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:40,327
Fae might be able to see a
little bit more than the
799
00:40:40,467 --> 00:40:42,127
rest of us.
800
00:40:42,266 --> 00:40:44,096
NARRATOR: Scientists call
the range of light the
801
00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:46,703
visible spectrum, although
most of us know it as the
802
00:40:46,834 --> 00:40:48,574
colours of the rainbow.
803
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:51,970
But what if Fae was
somehow able to literally
804
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:55,600
see what the
rest of us can't?
805
00:40:55,734 --> 00:40:57,104
JOSHUA WARREN: In the
human eye there are two
806
00:40:57,233 --> 00:40:59,003
primary types of cells.
807
00:40:59,133 --> 00:41:01,933
You've got the rod cells
and the cone cells.
808
00:41:02,066 --> 00:41:06,326
Rod cells are used for
nighttime vision but they
809
00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:08,027
can't see colour.
810
00:41:08,166 --> 00:41:11,326
Then you have the cone
cells which respond very
811
00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:14,227
quickly and
they see colour.
812
00:41:14,367 --> 00:41:19,727
If Fae has more of those
rod or cone cells,
813
00:41:19,867 --> 00:41:23,397
especially the cones, that
alone might allow her to
814
00:41:23,533 --> 00:41:26,573
see a broader range of
colours and frequencies
815
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,100
than the average person.
816
00:41:29,233 --> 00:41:33,233
Her eyes physiologically
allow her to peer deeper
817
00:41:33,367 --> 00:41:37,697
into the infrared or
ultraviolet realms.
818
00:41:37,834 --> 00:41:39,634
NARRATOR: Incredibly,
Warren also believes the
819
00:41:39,767 --> 00:41:43,597
eye might not just explain
Fae's story, but also why
820
00:41:43,734 --> 00:41:48,704
children on average report
seeing more ghosts than adults.
821
00:41:48,834 --> 00:41:51,974
JOSHUA WARREN: As a person
ages, the components of
822
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,570
the eye become more
and more dense.
823
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,430
In extreme cases, they can
become very cloudy and
824
00:41:58,567 --> 00:41:59,667
form a cataract.
825
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,470
So the older you get, the
less you're able to,
826
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,770
to see when it comes to this
band of frequencies.
827
00:42:08,233 --> 00:42:10,873
NARRATOR: Could Fae and
other children like her
828
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,270
really be able to see into
the infrared world of ghosts?
829
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,300
Does she have
a sixth sense?
830
00:42:20,433 --> 00:42:23,533
Or is Fae just a needy kid
who wanted her mother's
831
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:26,927
attention and approval?
832
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:30,166
We may never know.
833
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,470
Weird or What?
834
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:40,770
[♪]
835
00:42:44,734 --> 00:42:46,734
NARRATOR: So there we have
it, ghost stories from
836
00:42:46,867 --> 00:42:48,927
around the world.
837
00:42:49,066 --> 00:42:51,596
[♪]
838
00:42:51,734 --> 00:42:53,774
NARRATOR: A Californian
woman's home plays host to
839
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,970
one of the most terrifying
paranormal events on record.
840
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:02,170
[♪]
841
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,970
In New England, a woman
is possessed by an evil spirit
842
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:08,730
so strong even the Catholic
Church fails to defeat it.
843
00:43:08,867 --> 00:43:13,027
[♪]
844
00:43:13,166 --> 00:43:16,596
And a British teenager can
see and talk to ghosts.
845
00:43:16,734 --> 00:43:21,474
Is she proof that some
children have the gift?
846
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,100
Are these bizarre stories
evidence that ghosts exist?
847
00:43:26,233 --> 00:43:30,003
Can we seek comfort in
rational explanations,
848
00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:35,573
or do we ignore them
at our peril? You decide.
849
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,570
WILLIAM SHATNER: Join me
next time for more stories
850
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:43,900
that will undoubtedly
be weird or what?
851
00:43:49,567 --> 00:43:50,527
[♪]
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