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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:09,509 The Brady Bunch 2 00:00:09,551 --> 00:00:11,261 The Brady Bunch 3 00:00:11,302 --> 00:00:17,851 That's the way we became the Brady Bunch 4 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:48,650 If you drive from Redwood City to Half Moon Bay, 5 00:01:48,691 --> 00:01:50,276 you go on Highway 92, 6 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:52,320 which goes up over the Santa Cruz Mountains. 7 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:56,908 And pass this site where Susan's body was found. 8 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:04,749 As it happens, the cold air from the ocean 9 00:02:04,791 --> 00:02:07,961 runs into the hot air from the valley 10 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:13,091 and they hit and it causes a fog. 11 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,718 To the point where you're driving up 12 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,720 to the top of the mountain 13 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:19,973 from Foster City or Redwood City 14 00:02:20,014 --> 00:02:25,145 and it's bright sun and you get to the top of it, 15 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:27,939 literally at the top where this convection has happened. 16 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:31,901 And it turns dark and I don't mean just fog. 17 00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:33,736 It turns black. 18 00:02:33,778 --> 00:02:38,491 I remember one night driving back from a rough day 19 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:41,161 in the trial and going up. 20 00:02:41,202 --> 00:02:45,206 It was gradual, getting darker, darker, darker-- 21 00:02:45,248 --> 00:02:48,626 What human beings do to each other. 22 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:51,838 The trauma that children suffer. 23 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:56,885 And I get to the top and it's pitch black 24 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:58,386 and I go, "To hell with this, man." 25 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:01,723 I turned around, went back into the sunlight. 26 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:40,970 - Prostitution. - You became a prostitute. 27 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,685 I have to look at it now 28 00:03:47,727 --> 00:03:51,231 and see that I was trained from the earliest age 29 00:03:51,272 --> 00:03:53,733 that my value was in my sexuality. 30 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,527 And... 31 00:03:56,569 --> 00:04:00,281 I can look back now and see that there is a certain amount 32 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:04,535 of power in being sexual when you're a prostitute. 33 00:04:04,577 --> 00:04:06,663 Because you say when, you say how long, 34 00:04:06,704 --> 00:04:08,081 you say yes, you say no. 35 00:04:08,122 --> 00:04:11,125 As a child, I never had that luxury. 36 00:04:11,167 --> 00:04:14,420 And so it's a really warped way to view the situation. 37 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:19,050 But I can see now how well it fits together. 38 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:27,267 Studies show that the vast majority of sex workers 39 00:04:27,308 --> 00:04:29,936 were sexually abused as children. 40 00:04:29,978 --> 00:04:32,272 It's the rule, not the exception. 41 00:04:32,313 --> 00:04:35,275 I've talked with sex workers who say, you know, 42 00:04:35,316 --> 00:04:37,235 "At that moment, I feel powerful. 43 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:39,612 "You know, I'm in charge. I call the shots. 44 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:41,906 "I tell him what he can do and what he can't. 45 00:04:41,948 --> 00:04:43,950 "I get paid for it." 46 00:04:43,992 --> 00:04:45,368 And you know, you can look at it 47 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:46,953 from another point of view and say, 48 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:49,247 it's sad and it's degrading. 49 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,332 But in a way, they kind of keep reprocessing 50 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,418 the experience as though they're in control. 51 00:04:55,545 --> 00:04:59,132 The memories, as Eileen described them, 52 00:04:59,173 --> 00:05:02,135 definitely did not come out all at once. 53 00:05:02,176 --> 00:05:04,095 A series of months went by 54 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:08,891 and different pieces of the memory would come up. 55 00:05:08,933 --> 00:05:13,604 And a lot of that involved sexual misconduct by her father, 56 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:15,356 by George Franklin. 57 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:07,784 I thought it was a very sad thing to have to grow up 58 00:06:07,825 --> 00:06:09,869 under those circumstances 59 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:14,916 that you had to go to bed at night and you know, 60 00:06:14,957 --> 00:06:17,085 that your father is going to come in 61 00:06:17,126 --> 00:06:19,962 and do something very harmful to you. 62 00:06:20,004 --> 00:06:26,552 And it made me very sad because they were very sweet girls. 63 00:06:26,594 --> 00:06:31,015 We would just talk about kind of nothing, 64 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:33,059 little children things. 65 00:06:33,101 --> 00:06:35,186 And I would always give her a treat. 66 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:37,230 At that time it was Tootsie Pops. 67 00:06:37,271 --> 00:06:38,898 It was like a suckle on a stick, 68 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:41,150 but it was a Tootsie pop. 69 00:06:41,192 --> 00:06:45,321 And in the midst of their conversation, 70 00:06:45,363 --> 00:06:47,073 they would always say, 71 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:49,992 "Our dolls come alive at night." 72 00:06:55,748 --> 00:06:59,043 As an incest survivor, I fit the profile very well. 73 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:01,003 I became heavily involved in drugs 74 00:07:01,045 --> 00:07:02,839 and resorted to prostitution. 75 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,507 I was arrested for prostitution 76 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:06,592 and pled guilty because I was guilty. 77 00:07:06,634 --> 00:07:08,803 And in my naivete, that's what I believe 78 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:10,304 you're supposed to do. 79 00:07:10,346 --> 00:07:15,643 And I was very concerned that as a mother, 80 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:18,604 if this arrest came out, it would scar my children. 81 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:21,983 But keeping the murder of Susan Nason quiet 82 00:07:22,024 --> 00:07:23,860 was far worse than having people know 83 00:07:23,901 --> 00:07:25,820 that I had a bad past. 84 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,905 There was just a lot of things 85 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:29,282 that were very consistent 86 00:07:29,323 --> 00:07:31,451 with her being emotionally traumatized, 87 00:07:31,492 --> 00:07:33,953 having childhood trauma, psychic trauma, 88 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:36,164 very intelligent woman. 89 00:07:36,205 --> 00:07:39,375 Very capable, very articulate. 90 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:41,252 She never finished high school. 91 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:43,963 She had all sorts of other, 92 00:07:44,005 --> 00:07:47,550 you know, what people might call failures in her life. 93 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:49,719 There was a picture that was forming 94 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:56,976 of someone whose adolescence had really gone off the rails. 95 00:07:57,018 --> 00:07:59,353 We had to explain to the jury how, 96 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:02,440 given the life that she lived behind the closed doors 97 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:06,402 of the Franklin household, what she was exposed to 98 00:08:06,444 --> 00:08:08,321 at the hands of her father. 99 00:08:08,362 --> 00:08:11,282 This particular child repressed the memory 100 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:14,827 of this particular day. 101 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:17,079 Well, I think first of all, 102 00:08:17,121 --> 00:08:19,207 there is, what kind of person is there? 103 00:08:19,248 --> 00:08:23,044 But I think also how repeated is the event? 104 00:08:23,085 --> 00:08:24,754 Dr. Terr's testimony, 105 00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:26,631 which was very crucial for the prosecution-- 106 00:08:26,672 --> 00:08:29,300 She was talking about how a repressed memory 107 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:32,553 - can occur in a person. - And it can do from trauma. 108 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,139 But she really made the point, it requires multiple trauma. 109 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:37,183 Once it happens a lot, 110 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:39,268 you start, you start developing defenses. 111 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:41,479 You figure out a way to anticipate. 112 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,648 You say, "I'm going to pretend I'm invisible," 113 00:08:43,689 --> 00:08:45,441 as Eileen did. 114 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:48,611 In psychiatry, we call these things "dissociation", 115 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:50,696 which is to separate yourself from what's going on, 116 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:53,282 to feel unreal or to feel as though you're not there. 117 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:55,826 Or to feel as though the world is not real. 118 00:08:55,868 --> 00:08:59,288 Terr comes in as a highly respected psychiatrist 119 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:03,417 who has studied trauma and its effect on children. 120 00:09:03,459 --> 00:09:05,795 She articulated a theory. 121 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:11,092 one incident unlikely to be repressed. 122 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:16,597 multiple traumas likely to be repressed. 123 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:21,310 When the person is overwhelmed repeatedly, 124 00:09:21,352 --> 00:09:25,231 they actually learn to repress. 125 00:09:29,443 --> 00:09:32,405 I felt like the jury needs to know 126 00:09:32,446 --> 00:09:35,616 that Eileen herself was molested by him 127 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:38,911 because it will help them better understand 128 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:42,873 how and why Eileen might repress the memory of the murder 129 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:44,542 that she had witnessed. 130 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:49,797 Ultimately, the judge agreed that for that limited purpose, 131 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:52,008 Eileen would be allowed to testify 132 00:09:52,049 --> 00:09:53,593 to the sexual molestations 133 00:09:53,634 --> 00:09:57,346 that were committed by her father against her. 134 00:10:55,529 --> 00:10:58,491 The vast majority of my memories of sexual abuse 135 00:10:58,532 --> 00:11:01,285 came after the memories of the murder. 136 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:02,953 I was in shock. 137 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:04,955 I couldn't believe that there were more things 138 00:11:04,997 --> 00:11:06,832 that I had forgotten. 139 00:11:06,874 --> 00:11:08,834 I had never heard the word, "repressed," before. 140 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:10,586 I thought, "How can I possibly forget all these things 141 00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:14,090 "that happened to me?" 142 00:11:14,131 --> 00:11:17,843 The memory's there, it's just very deep down 143 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:20,346 so that suddenly the memory starts coming 144 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:21,764 and it can come in bits. 145 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:24,016 Or it can come in the whole piece. 146 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:27,937 Lenore Terr had a theory that she was pushing. 147 00:11:27,978 --> 00:11:31,190 If you're traumatized once, you'll remember it. 148 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:35,152 But if you're traumatized over and over and over and over, 149 00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:37,530 then you're going to repress it. 150 00:11:37,571 --> 00:11:40,199 It goes against everything we know about memory, 151 00:11:40,241 --> 00:11:42,493 which basically says the more times something happens, 152 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:44,662 the better your memory, not the worse. 153 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:48,708 But in any event, that's why the story came out 154 00:11:48,749 --> 00:11:51,669 that Eileen had not only repressed her memory 155 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:53,546 for this particular murder, 156 00:11:53,587 --> 00:11:55,548 but she'd also repressed a whole bunch 157 00:11:55,589 --> 00:11:57,550 of other traumatic memories, 158 00:11:57,591 --> 00:12:01,637 sexual abuse ostensibly done to her by her father 159 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,931 and other men who joined in. 160 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:06,642 And so now you had the collection of traumas 161 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:08,894 that could be repressed 162 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:14,316 and fit with Dr. Terr's Type one, Type two theory. 163 00:12:14,358 --> 00:12:17,027 I thought, this is so fishy. 164 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:19,989 There's just something fishy about this whole story. 165 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:26,662 Eileen tells the story in which her father 166 00:12:26,704 --> 00:12:31,167 held her down while another man rapes her. 167 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:34,086 When she first told the story to the prosecution 168 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:37,089 and which was recorded and given to the defense, 169 00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:39,842 her rapist was a Black man. 170 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:57,735 In the trial, that story changed 171 00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:01,781 and the Black man became a white man 172 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:06,577 and the white man became her godfather. 173 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:23,761 At one point, she's remembering that her father held her down 174 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:26,138 while a Black man raped her. 175 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:30,601 Later on, that story changes and it's her white godfather 176 00:13:30,643 --> 00:13:32,478 who was raping her. 177 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,939 Well, why did you say it was a Black man? 178 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:38,067 Because, well, the white godfather was raping her. 179 00:13:38,108 --> 00:13:41,487 There was a Jimi Hendrix poster on the wall. 180 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:49,161 She said, "I was looking at a poster of Jimi Hendrix 181 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:53,874 "and I superimposed that on my rapist. 182 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:57,878 "and thought that was the Black man that was raping me." 183 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,548 That shows the way her memory works, 184 00:14:00,589 --> 00:14:02,216 in the way things can shift around 185 00:14:02,258 --> 00:14:04,844 as time goes on and she learns to explain things. 186 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:12,476 It undermined the credibility of her memories. 187 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:14,645 I remember arguing to the jury 188 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,313 that it's a good thing that Jimi Hendrix 189 00:14:16,355 --> 00:14:18,023 isn't on trial here today 190 00:14:18,065 --> 00:14:20,860 because based on her testimony, you could convict. 191 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:31,495 There were definite gaps in her recounting that event. 192 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,873 That was a piece of her story, 193 00:14:33,914 --> 00:14:35,708 her testimony that the defense 194 00:14:35,749 --> 00:14:38,377 obviously would want to show to the jury. 195 00:14:38,419 --> 00:14:39,879 Like what kind of memory 196 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,132 is this that changes, that evolves? 197 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:51,974 But I think we all know that if we try to reach back 198 00:14:52,016 --> 00:14:53,893 and try to remember something, 199 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:56,103 we may not remember all of it accurately. 200 00:14:56,145 --> 00:15:01,275 But the essence of what we remember is... 201 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,319 truth. 202 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,614 Unfortunately, with rape and with sexual abuse, 203 00:15:06,655 --> 00:15:08,449 there is no witness there. 204 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:11,994 Usually it's just you, the person it's happening to. 205 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:14,914 One person, I don't care if it's Mother Teresa. 206 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:17,458 One person's word will not carry the day. 207 00:15:17,499 --> 00:15:19,376 Jurors need more. 208 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:21,170 They need corroboration. 209 00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:24,131 Whatever it may be, we needed to help them believe her. 210 00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:29,011 There was one woman 211 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:31,013 that George Franklin had a relationship with, 212 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:34,224 and I believe she'd been interviewed over the phone. 213 00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:35,893 I just had a gut feeling 214 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:39,021 I wanted to meet this woman myself. 215 00:15:39,063 --> 00:15:41,231 Female intuition. 216 00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:43,025 We went down, we met her. 217 00:15:43,067 --> 00:15:45,444 It was the two detectives and myself. 218 00:15:45,486 --> 00:15:48,364 She said I never recognized 219 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:50,407 any abnormal behaviors in him, 220 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:54,870 or he certainly never admitted to killing a child. 221 00:15:54,912 --> 00:15:56,956 And I finally just said, 222 00:15:56,997 --> 00:16:00,376 "Well, how did the relationship end? Just curious." 223 00:16:00,417 --> 00:16:03,671 She says, "Oh, I broke up with him after he told me 224 00:16:03,712 --> 00:16:06,632 he'd had sex with his daughter." 225 00:16:13,263 --> 00:16:16,433 Eileen grew up in a picture perfect neighborhood 226 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:18,519 in Foster City, California. 227 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,689 She is the middle daughter in a family of five children. 228 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:25,693 Neighbors describe them as a typical all-American family. 229 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,486 Mother, a housewife. 230 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,531 Father, a fireman. 231 00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:05,107 George Jr. was the only boy. 232 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:08,986 He was not a bulky, tough looking kid. 233 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:12,740 I've heard several of the kids tell me 234 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:14,575 of an incident more than once 235 00:17:14,616 --> 00:17:17,327 where the senior George picked the junior George up 236 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:21,040 by the head and threw him into a wall. 237 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:27,921 We interviewed her sisters, her brother. 238 00:17:27,963 --> 00:17:30,174 They were difficult to work with 239 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:33,802 because they feared their father, even as adults. 240 00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:37,431 His family were literally terrified of the man. 241 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:44,730 Franklin was a totally controlling, violent, angry man. 242 00:17:44,772 --> 00:17:52,404 He was a drinker and he took out all of that on his kids. 243 00:17:52,446 --> 00:17:54,239 Kate Franklin told the story 244 00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:58,243 about how she had violated some rule. 245 00:17:58,285 --> 00:18:01,705 And he said to her, "You're going to get it." 246 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:05,167 So Kate called the police and she said, 247 00:18:05,209 --> 00:18:09,254 "My father has threatened to beat me up when I come home." 248 00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:00,097 I felt for them. 249 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,224 I felt great empathy for them 250 00:19:02,266 --> 00:19:05,769 because they had all in their own ways, 251 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:07,646 gone on about their lives. 252 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,399 And I don't think any of them had much, 253 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,901 if any, relationship with their father. 254 00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:17,072 When this happened, everything blew open for them 255 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:19,241 and everything that had happened to them 256 00:19:19,283 --> 00:19:20,659 in their childhoods. 257 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:22,411 It was horrible for them 258 00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:25,539 but because they were part of the story 259 00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:29,042 there was no avoiding it. 260 00:19:29,084 --> 00:19:33,380 I was the sexual assault investigator for the unit. 261 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:36,884 We knew that George Franklin was a pedophile. 262 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:40,304 So therefore, you ask, did he, in any way, 263 00:19:40,345 --> 00:19:42,681 lead you to believe he was interested 264 00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:44,433 in young pre-puberty girls? 265 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:47,227 Anything that would give away that kind of behavior 266 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,438 because that kind of behavior is going 267 00:19:49,479 --> 00:19:53,192 to back up what Eileen Franklin had told us? 268 00:20:35,817 --> 00:20:38,445 Did you talk to your mother about this at all? 269 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:41,365 - My mother was asleep. - She was on medications 270 00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:43,742 for nervous breakdowns that she'd had. 271 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:48,163 She was really aware, I guess, of what was going on. 272 00:20:57,172 --> 00:21:00,217 It was hard to hear it. 273 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,761 A lot of it, I had to tell you. 274 00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:04,554 But I have no doubt of the truth of it 275 00:21:04,596 --> 00:21:07,683 because so many of the stories matched up. 276 00:21:07,724 --> 00:21:11,853 Every form of dysfunction that I've ever encountered. 277 00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:14,523 I saw in that family. 278 00:21:14,564 --> 00:21:17,192 It was a house of hell. 279 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:28,120 For many Americans, 280 00:21:28,161 --> 00:21:31,081 the world incest is shrouded in mystery. 281 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,292 It is the unthinkable, the unspeakable. 282 00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:35,627 An ugly crime that targets the most innocent among us, 283 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:37,129 our children. 284 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:40,257 The taboo against incest is so strong 285 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:43,010 that almost no one has wanted to know about it 286 00:21:43,051 --> 00:21:45,137 or talk about it. 287 00:21:45,178 --> 00:21:47,306 One in every five girls 288 00:21:47,347 --> 00:21:49,933 and one in seven boys is sexually abused 289 00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:52,519 by a closer extended family member. 290 00:21:57,691 --> 00:22:01,653 In the 60s and 70s, there was very little awareness 291 00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:04,823 of childhood sexual abuse. 292 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:06,325 The first edition of 293 00:22:06,366 --> 00:22:08,285 the Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry 294 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:10,746 said that there were 40,000 cases a year 295 00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:12,998 in the United States. 296 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,834 And that was a grotesque underestimate. 297 00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:18,962 The estimates are there are three million cases a year. 298 00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:21,465 One million of which get attention. 299 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:24,259 - The other two, nothing happens. - They're not reported. 300 00:22:24,301 --> 00:22:27,095 It meant that there was an enormous amount 301 00:22:27,137 --> 00:22:29,514 of child molestation cases, incest cases, 302 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:32,184 horrific cases that went on and on 303 00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,519 and repeated themselves year after year. 304 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:36,021 Families would say, 305 00:22:36,063 --> 00:22:37,606 we've got to keep this within ourselves. 306 00:22:37,647 --> 00:22:39,358 This is an embarrassment to the entire family. 307 00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:41,193 And so don't anybody bring it out. 308 00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:43,195 And I think that was something at work here 309 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:44,988 in the Franklin family. 310 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:47,699 - Just keep everything quiet. - You don't ever say anything. 311 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:50,202 - People won't believe you. - Whatever it may be. 312 00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:54,373 We learned about the bad things 313 00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:56,541 that went on in the Franklin household 314 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:59,920 when we got the discovery from the prosecutor. 315 00:22:59,961 --> 00:23:02,172 Not all the stories were pretty, 316 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:04,383 but that wasn't what the case was about. 317 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,761 The case was about whether or not he killed Susan Nason. 318 00:23:07,803 --> 00:23:11,390 It was a searing hot potato thrown into the jury's lap. 319 00:23:11,431 --> 00:23:14,351 And it would distract them from their true duty. 320 00:23:16,353 --> 00:23:19,981 They wanted it in to show that he was a bad guy. 321 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,195 Eileen's sister, Janice, was also convinced 322 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:26,905 their father was guilty. 323 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:30,325 She described the home they grew up in this way. 324 00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:34,371 It was a combination of their alcoholism 325 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:37,165 in the home, physical violence, physical abuse, 326 00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,501 mental and emotional abuse. 327 00:23:41,294 --> 00:23:44,381 So I have a sister that's a year older than me. 328 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,174 Janice had come to the conclusion 329 00:23:46,216 --> 00:23:48,260 that my father had murdered Susan Nason 330 00:23:48,301 --> 00:23:51,096 through some of my father's conversations with her 331 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:53,098 and his actions the night 332 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:57,936 that the police came to the house when Susan disappeared. 333 00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:02,774 In 1984, Janice goes to the Foster City Police Department. 334 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:05,402 She told them that she suspected 335 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:09,072 that her father had murdered Susan Nason. 336 00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:11,408 Janice remembers quite clearly 337 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,618 coming back in the house the night 338 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:16,997 that Susan Nason disappeared and facing her father, 339 00:24:17,038 --> 00:24:21,668 who gave her a look that froze her in her tracks. 340 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:25,797 The biggest problem she has is the time of day 341 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,300 that she says it happened. 342 00:24:28,341 --> 00:24:31,803 She says, "I came home around four o'clock 343 00:24:31,845 --> 00:24:35,724 "and there he was home." 344 00:24:35,765 --> 00:24:39,895 And according to undisputable facts, 345 00:24:39,936 --> 00:24:44,399 Susan Nason was seen at 3:15. 346 00:24:44,441 --> 00:24:46,943 45 minutes could not have been enough time 347 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:50,947 for all of the driving and the killing and coming back. 348 00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:55,619 So the specific result of the allegation was dismissed 349 00:24:55,660 --> 00:25:00,957 because the time periods didn't match up. 350 00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:03,084 Janice's statement was alibing George 351 00:25:03,126 --> 00:25:04,503 because she put him in the house, 352 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:06,129 in the chair at 4:00 in the afternoon, 353 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:07,589 at the time of the killing. 354 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,591 But she later danced back from that 355 00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:11,510 and changed her story when she saw it wasn't consistent 356 00:25:11,551 --> 00:25:14,554 with the known facts and tried to take the alibi away. 357 00:25:37,702 --> 00:25:41,373 Janice hates her father, doesn't she? 358 00:25:41,414 --> 00:25:43,208 Objection, calls for an opinion. 359 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:45,877 Sustained. 360 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:54,469 Janice, ever in any way encourage you to go forward 361 00:25:54,511 --> 00:25:59,057 with this prosecution in any way? 362 00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:01,434 Did she encourage me to go forward? 363 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,937 To encourage you to go forward with this prosecution 364 00:26:03,979 --> 00:26:06,273 at any time in any way? 365 00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:07,941 Objection as to relevance, 366 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:09,401 Her state of mind, Your Honor. 367 00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:11,236 This is her sister. 368 00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:14,406 We do allege that there was a measure 369 00:26:14,447 --> 00:26:17,867 of collaboration between this witness 370 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:20,370 and Janice Franklin. 371 00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:28,086 I think Eileen was on a revenge trip. 372 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:31,798 Janice was in on a lie 373 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,260 and the two daughters conspired together 374 00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:40,098 to present a compelling case against George. 375 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:44,227 And they were both on a jihad to convict their father. 376 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:47,522 And then the mother joined the jihad. 377 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:12,714 When Leah Franklin took the stand for the trial, 378 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:14,674 she decided to volunteer something. 379 00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:17,135 But it wasn't just a routine thing like, you know, 380 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,137 what she had for breakfast that day. 381 00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:22,182 She volunteers that George Franklin 382 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:24,351 at the time of this murder, 383 00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:26,895 had come to her with a blood soaked shirt 384 00:27:26,936 --> 00:27:28,605 and asked her to wash it. 385 00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:32,233 I remember George asking me 386 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:34,778 to wash a shirt that blood on it 387 00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:38,782 and he gave me information that it was a shirt he used painting 388 00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:41,701 that he had injured himself while he was painting. 389 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:45,664 It was in that span of time Susan was missing, 390 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:47,582 but her body had not been discovered. 391 00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,793 Almost certain of that. 392 00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:52,754 It was a white shirt that she described. 393 00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:54,506 And Eileen had described her father 394 00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,008 wearing a white T-shirt with an open, 395 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:58,802 checkered Pendleton over it. 396 00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:02,430 He immediately gave her an explanation and said, 397 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:07,227 "I got it bloody during a painting accident." 398 00:28:07,268 --> 00:28:09,688 Very implausible. 399 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:15,694 One item in the prosecution's case 400 00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:20,073 was Leah's testimony that George had brought her 401 00:28:20,115 --> 00:28:24,536 a bloodstained shirt and asked her to wash it. 402 00:28:24,577 --> 00:28:26,496 Pretty damning piece of evidence, 403 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:30,583 except for the fact that Horngrad had asked her 404 00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:34,337 about a blood soaked shirt at the preliminary hearing, 405 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:37,465 and she said she didn't remember it. 406 00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:45,932 Leah testified at the preliminary hearing, 407 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:47,767 and so I asked her, 408 00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:49,853 "Anything unusual happened that day? 409 00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:51,730 "Anything memorable happened that day?" 410 00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:53,815 And the answer was no, "Like what?" She said. 411 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:55,900 And I said something like, you know, 412 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:58,486 "He came home with a gun or he came home with a bloody shirt? 413 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:00,864 "Or he came home and confessed a murder or something like that." 414 00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:02,574 "Oh, nothing like that." 415 00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:04,659 But once we get to trial, 416 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:07,203 everything's evolving and the drumbeat of the prosecution 417 00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:08,997 and the emotional investment 418 00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,416 and the conviction and suddenly the testimony changes. 419 00:29:11,458 --> 00:29:14,753 Doug Horngrad asked in court whether I remembered 420 00:29:14,794 --> 00:29:17,422 a bloody shirt. And at the preliminary hearing, 421 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,799 I said "No." And at that point, 422 00:29:19,841 --> 00:29:23,178 I began to have a glimmer of remembering it. 423 00:29:23,219 --> 00:29:26,389 And then I went home and I tried to remember it. 424 00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:28,641 And then over the weekend, 425 00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:33,897 I remembered and I am sure of what I'm saying. 426 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:38,401 It does bring once again into question 427 00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:40,945 about how the Franklin memory works, 428 00:29:40,987 --> 00:29:42,739 because here is Leah possibly recovering 429 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:44,824 a repressed memory of the bloody shirt 430 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:49,287 that she didn't remember at the preliminary hearing. 431 00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:51,998 And so what looked very suspicious 432 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,294 and incriminating was, in fact, just flat out wrong. 433 00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,256 Maybe she thought, you know, 434 00:30:00,298 --> 00:30:01,633 her daughter needed a little help 435 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,551 getting her ex-husband convicted. 436 00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:06,471 And so she threw that bloody shirt story in. 437 00:30:08,681 --> 00:30:13,770 And just like Leah and Janice, 438 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:15,814 Eileen told different versions 439 00:30:15,855 --> 00:30:18,525 to different people at different times. 440 00:30:20,109 --> 00:30:21,653 No, that's fine. 441 00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:23,738 Does court wish to see it? 442 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,157 Your Honor, may I approach the witness? 443 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:29,786 Please. I'm showing you a copy-- 444 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,997 I'm asking you to take a look at it-- 445 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,667 Of the transcript of your conversation 446 00:30:35,708 --> 00:30:37,836 with the prosecutor about the time of day 447 00:30:37,877 --> 00:30:40,338 that you remembered initially when this had occurred. 448 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:42,215 Do you think that might refresh your recollection? 449 00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:44,384 Yes, I recall this. 450 00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:50,014 Can you remember in your mind what happened that day? 451 00:30:50,056 --> 00:30:51,933 Yes. 452 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:28,636 One of the things that I found particularly peculiar, 453 00:31:28,678 --> 00:31:30,805 I guess, about the story 454 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:34,851 is that originally Eileen said that they see Susie 455 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,561 and Susie gets in the van 456 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,230 and this all happened in the morning. 457 00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:41,941 But then she apparently learns 458 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:47,030 that Susie didn't disappear until the afternoon. 459 00:31:47,071 --> 00:31:51,951 And so she changes her story. 460 00:31:51,993 --> 00:31:53,745 I'm sorry? 461 00:31:53,786 --> 00:31:55,914 Do you recall what time of day 462 00:31:55,955 --> 00:31:58,541 was it the last time you saw Susan? 463 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:04,088 It was late afternoon. 464 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:07,091 And now it's all in the afternoon 465 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:09,260 that Eileen and her father are driving through the streets. 466 00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:10,845 They see Susie and gets in. 467 00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:13,765 So you can see how this story changes 468 00:32:13,806 --> 00:32:16,768 when she's fed some new information 469 00:32:16,809 --> 00:32:21,272 that made her original story unlikely or impossible. 470 00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,524 So you told the prosecutor 471 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:25,401 that Susan was picked up 472 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,946 by you and your dad in the early morning hours. 473 00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:29,739 Isn't that what you initially told us? 474 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,908 Yeah, that's what I initially thought. 475 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:39,290 Now, you say that your dad picked Susan up 476 00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:41,250 - in the afternoon. - Is that what you're saying now? 477 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,877 That's what I'm saying. 478 00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:45,964 When in your mind did that change? 479 00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:48,633 When I started thinking about it, 480 00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:50,635 about exactly what time it was? 481 00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:52,929 Because the more I thought about the sun 482 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:56,516 being behind my father when I saw his frame 483 00:32:56,557 --> 00:32:58,476 with the locks up, I thought, 484 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:00,812 "How can that be morning unless it was very early morning? 485 00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:02,772 Maybe I'm mistaken and it's afternoon." 486 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,532 She had some explanation that involved having 487 00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:16,160 some sunlight in her flashback. 488 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,458 This was her attempt, 489 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,919 I think at an explanation for why her story changed. 490 00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:28,589 But it wasn't very compelling to me. 491 00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:34,012 Her story was evolving and she was shifting her testimony 492 00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:37,849 to fit the known facts as well as she could. 493 00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:44,564 It was a work in progress. 494 00:33:51,487 --> 00:33:57,493 Recall telling the prosecution 495 00:33:57,535 --> 00:33:59,370 that your sister, Janice, 496 00:33:59,412 --> 00:34:03,666 was in your father's van when you stopped to pick up Susan? 497 00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,878 Yes, I do. 498 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:10,798 At the beginning, she said Janice was in the van. 499 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,302 That was a powerful piece of corroboration. 500 00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:19,348 Morris called it when he heard it from Eileen, 501 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:22,977 "That's our cherry on the cake." 502 00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:26,898 Only to find when they talked to Janice 503 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:30,568 that she had no memory of being in the van. 504 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:36,824 Eileen, was there another witness? 505 00:34:38,951 --> 00:34:41,579 Was there another witness in the van at the time 506 00:34:41,621 --> 00:34:44,207 that Ms. Nason was picked up? 507 00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:48,252 Other than you? 508 00:34:48,294 --> 00:34:52,173 I think that Janice was outside of the van. 509 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,176 - So the answer is no. -  I'm sorry. 510 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:56,928 The answer to the question is no. 511 00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:58,513 There was not another witness in the van. 512 00:34:58,554 --> 00:35:00,473 There was not another witness in the van. 513 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:02,642 Now when did that memory change? 514 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,396 I can't say. 515 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:10,316 Did you talk to Janice about what she remembered 516 00:35:10,358 --> 00:35:12,443 of September 22nd, 1969? 517 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:15,029 No, I didn't. 518 00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:19,492 And do you know now, as you sit here 519 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:23,913 what Janice says about whether she was in the van 520 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,873 or not, September 22nd, 1969? 521 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:27,750 Do you know what she's saying? 522 00:35:27,792 --> 00:35:29,961 - No. -  No idea? 523 00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:32,004 No. 524 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:37,969 Between the time you first told the authorities 525 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:39,637 that Janice was in the van-- 526 00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,305 that statement you made in November-- 527 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,307 At the time that your memory changed, 528 00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,309 was anyone else living in your house 529 00:35:45,351 --> 00:35:47,061 other than yourself, your husband and your children? 530 00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:48,396 No. 531 00:35:48,437 --> 00:35:51,149 And where was Janice? 532 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:53,401 - I'm sorry? -  Where was Janice? 533 00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,486 Oh, I thought you included an answer. 534 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,113 Oh, I'm sorry. 535 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,906 Let me rephrase the question again. 536 00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:01,284 Between November of '89, 537 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:03,286 and you first made the statement to the police 538 00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:06,164 in January of '90, has your memory changed? 539 00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:09,292 Other than yourself, your husband and your children, 540 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,669 was anyone living in your home in Canoga Park? 541 00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:14,672 Yes, Janice was. 542 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:16,465 Mark Twain said, "If you don't lie, 543 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:19,218 "you don't have to remember what you just said." 544 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,013 So she's running around trying to clean up the story. 545 00:36:22,054 --> 00:36:25,433 - Why? Why? - Because it's not true. 546 00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:28,477 Repression is something that's very difficult 547 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,062 for people to understand. 548 00:36:30,104 --> 00:36:32,899 But there's no motivation for making up a story. 549 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:34,358 Other people that have discussed 550 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,902 their repressed memories, 551 00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:37,653 I can't see any motive they could possibly have 552 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:39,572 for telling their stories. 553 00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:43,618 Why would she make this accusation if it weren't true? 554 00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:47,830 Well, the obvious answer to that is revenge. 555 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:49,832 She's getting even with George, 556 00:36:49,874 --> 00:36:52,710 for all the stuff he did to her. 557 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:57,173 This family rumor or family lore or family suspicion 558 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,717 that George Franklin was responsible 559 00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:03,387 for killing Susan Nason grew from their knowledge 560 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:06,015 of his cruel temperament. 561 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:07,642 They knew who he was. 562 00:37:07,683 --> 00:37:11,562 They knew the violence inside the guy, you know? 563 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:13,522 If you accept the idea 564 00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:16,400 that she was sexually and physically abused 565 00:37:16,442 --> 00:37:19,028 as well as emotionally abused by her father, 566 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,364 you could imagine that there was a fair amount 567 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:24,492 of underlying resentment of him for what he did. 568 00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:29,247 And this may have been her way of punishing him 569 00:37:29,288 --> 00:37:32,500 and sort of humiliating him in front of the world. 570 00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,962 And the messy detail about whether he's the one 571 00:37:36,003 --> 00:37:38,172 that killed Susan Nason or somebody else 572 00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:41,175 may have seemed less important than her 573 00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:44,553 taking a public stance that he did terrible things 574 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:47,431 and this is wrong and he should go to jail for it. 575 00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:51,435 What's that line? 576 00:37:51,477 --> 00:37:54,605 Happy families are all unhappy families 577 00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:56,732 each in their own way. 578 00:37:56,774 --> 00:37:58,734 This was an unhappy family 579 00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:02,905 and George was on trial for his behavior in the home. 580 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:05,074 while he was a husband and father. 581 00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,786 That's what he was on trial for. 582 00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:10,454 Do you ever have a thought 583 00:38:10,496 --> 00:38:12,915 about your father going to prison? 584 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,126 Yes, I did. 585 00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:17,837 And what did you think of that? 586 00:38:17,878 --> 00:38:20,256 I didn't like the idea. 587 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,466 Why? 588 00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:30,349 Because I don't like the idea of my father going to prison. 589 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:36,772 Well, what then stimulated you 590 00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:39,900 to tell the police? 591 00:38:39,942 --> 00:38:45,990 Well, I think I had to balance... 592 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:47,908 several things. 593 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:51,370 I had to balance my feelings for my father 594 00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:58,002 against the truth and against the fact 595 00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:01,172 that I was a witness to a crime. 596 00:39:27,615 --> 00:39:32,787 The essence of my closing argument to the jury was, 597 00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:35,164 was she credible or was she not? 598 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:37,750 You have to be open to the possibility 599 00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:39,710 that this is a real memory 600 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:43,923 and that she did repress it. 601 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:49,011 I remembered looking into Susie's eyes. 602 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,223 There were moments through 603 00:39:52,264 --> 00:39:54,642 this trial where she would say something 604 00:39:54,683 --> 00:39:57,353 where there would almost be a stillness in the courtroom. 605 00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,064 He had both of his hands above his head like this. 606 00:40:00,106 --> 00:40:03,859 A lot of specific detail in her recall 607 00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:06,904 was not anywhere in the records. 608 00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:10,908 I heard the second blow. 609 00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:15,079 It just was registering as authentic. 610 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:18,499 Like she was saying true things. 611 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:21,585 Like she was speaking the truth. 612 00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:25,923 So I said, if you saw the physical evidence 613 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:27,591 and you saw the photographs 614 00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:29,677 and you heard from all the other witnesses 615 00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:32,430 and the significant amount of corroboration 616 00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:34,723 where what she's describing is born out 617 00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:36,642 in so many different ways, 618 00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:40,938 would it even matter why she didn't come forward 619 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,648 for 20 years? 620 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:46,110 If I told anyone, he would have to kill me. 621 00:40:46,152 --> 00:40:47,903 I played her tape. 622 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:52,241 That's the last thing that the jury heard. 623 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,812 It was such a childlike way 624 00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:24,607 of processing what she had just witnessed 625 00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:28,652 and processing her own fear and her concern. 626 00:41:28,694 --> 00:41:33,157 He, George Franklin, could not have cared less. 627 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:37,745 He left that body in that place 628 00:41:37,786 --> 00:41:43,375 where her grave was a rocky crevice. 629 00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:47,546 Her headstone was an old box spring 630 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:50,174 and the only visits to her grave 631 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:53,802 were made by wild animals and insects. 632 00:41:56,263 --> 00:41:57,848 At the end of the day, 633 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:59,892 I said it's as simple as this: 634 00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:02,436 If you believe she was present 635 00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:06,065 when her father murdered Susan Nason, that's it. 636 00:42:06,106 --> 00:42:09,944 He is guilty of first degree murder. 637 00:42:09,985 --> 00:42:14,532 And that's the verdict that you have to return. 638 00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:17,326 Eileen Franklin Lipsker has said bringing charges 639 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,370 against her father has been difficult 640 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,289 and will probably always have an impact on her life. 641 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,874 Now it's up to George Franklin's attorneys 642 00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:25,793 to present their side. 643 00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:28,337 They say there are too many inconsistencies in her recall. 644 00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:43,143 My closing focused a lot on all the inconsistencies 645 00:42:43,185 --> 00:42:46,063 in her testimony. 646 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,190 That was really what the whole trial was about. 647 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:53,070 It was about her credibility or her lack of credibility. 648 00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:55,531 I felt like she had been caught in so many lies 649 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,700 that the jury couldn't accept that as true. 650 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,888 It's very hard to say whether or not 651 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,474 Eileen believed this story without getting into her head. 652 00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:25,269 However, if you really believe this, 653 00:43:25,311 --> 00:43:26,770 then why are you working so hard 654 00:43:26,812 --> 00:43:29,898 to make up certain aspects of it? 655 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,401 Why are you changing your story all the time? 656 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:33,944 The prosecution's position was 657 00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:35,738 whenever she said something that was correct, 658 00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:37,406 it was correct, 659 00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,074 that whenever she said something that was wrong, 660 00:43:39,116 --> 00:43:41,702 it was just attributed to the evolution of her memory. 661 00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:44,413 But curiously enough, her memory always evolved 662 00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:45,956 consistent with the known facts 663 00:43:45,998 --> 00:43:47,708 as she became aware of them. 664 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:50,794 So I infer from that that it's a made up story. 665 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:55,382 What if I were to tell you that my memory came back 666 00:43:55,424 --> 00:43:59,136 as a result of hypnosis? 667 00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:00,929 Now, if it is so 668 00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:03,599 that she did retrieve the memory in hypnosis... 669 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:11,440 Then perhaps she believed it 670 00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:14,652 and then was so invested in the story 671 00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:16,779 that she had to do everything she could 672 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:18,781 to shore up the story and change her story 673 00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:20,866 to the existing facts. 674 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:35,464 I felt good at the closing 675 00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:38,258 because I believed that at the end of the day, 676 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:40,135 juries pretty much get it right. 677 00:44:40,177 --> 00:44:43,555 And I had faith that they would do the right thing. 678 00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:19,091 The jury deliberated for less than a day. 679 00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:22,636 For a murder case, then and now, that's very fast. 680 00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:26,515 That's very, very fast. 681 00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:28,767 It was going to be guilty, not guilty. 682 00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:31,478 That was it. 683 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,439 But you never know. 684 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,858 You never know until you hear those words in the jury room. 685 00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:43,991 A judge in Redwood City, California, 686 00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,744 today sentenced George Franklin Senior to life in prison 687 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:49,747 for the 1969 murder of an eight year old girl. 688 00:45:49,788 --> 00:45:51,915 The case was reopened 20 years later 689 00:45:51,957 --> 00:45:55,210 when Franklin's daughter said she suddenly remembered 690 00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:58,338 seeing the crime. 691 00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:10,726 Eileen, are you relieved? 692 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:12,853 Eileen, can we talk to you for a second? 693 00:46:12,895 --> 00:46:15,063 How do you feel? 694 00:46:25,991 --> 00:46:27,826 Some people thought, 695 00:46:27,868 --> 00:46:29,703 "Well, of course, it would be a quick 'not guilty,' 696 00:46:29,745 --> 00:46:32,414 "because it's just so fantastical to think 697 00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:34,124 "that this could have happened 698 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:35,959 "and she could have repressed the memory of it." 699 00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:38,545 Who would believe a story like that? 700 00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:43,509 But 12 people sat through a five week jury trial 701 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:47,930 and they found her testimony to be compelling 702 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,599 and believable and credible and corroborated 703 00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:54,311 by a lot of other evidence. 704 00:46:54,353 --> 00:46:56,605 - Mrs. Nason. - Could you talk to us? 705 00:46:56,647 --> 00:46:58,982 Just give us one comment. 706 00:46:59,024 --> 00:47:00,692 I wanted to be there. 707 00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,653 I wanted to hear a conclusion 708 00:47:02,694 --> 00:47:05,072 to what happened to my daughter. 709 00:47:05,113 --> 00:47:07,658 Thank you, Mrs. Nason. 710 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:16,458 Here is a first degree murder conviction 711 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,419 based on repressed memory. 712 00:47:19,461 --> 00:47:22,881 No semen, no hair fiber, nothing. 713 00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:24,925 Nothing but repressed memory. 714 00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:28,512 The jurors found Eileen compelling and credible. 715 00:47:28,554 --> 00:47:30,514 There were things that she couldn't have known 716 00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:31,723 unless it actually happened. 717 00:47:31,765 --> 00:47:33,100 No one could have told her. 718 00:47:33,141 --> 00:47:34,935 No one could have made it up for her. 719 00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:36,937 The way she described Susan as holding her hands 720 00:47:36,979 --> 00:47:40,023 and the way that the ring was crushed, 721 00:47:40,065 --> 00:47:42,776 the whole thing fitted together very well. 722 00:47:42,818 --> 00:47:46,405 Were you worried that they might not believe you? 723 00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:48,866 I don't think I was worried that they wouldn't believe me 724 00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:52,828 but I didn't know what other evidence was available. 725 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:55,372 So, of course, I had doubts whether they were convict 726 00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:57,040 or not at times. 727 00:47:57,082 --> 00:47:58,792 But I didn't think they would ever disbelieve me. 728 00:47:58,834 --> 00:48:01,378 Are you happy? Relieved? 729 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:04,047 Well, I'm overwhelmed. 730 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:08,635 What will you do now? 731 00:48:08,677 --> 00:48:10,888 I'm going to go home and just go on with my life. 732 00:48:10,929 --> 00:48:12,389 Raise my kids. 733 00:48:12,431 --> 00:48:13,724 Congratulations. 734 00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:15,475 Thank you. 735 00:48:15,517 --> 00:48:17,352 I feel great. I feel great. 736 00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:21,315 Once again, the jurors in this county have done it. 737 00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:26,570 They saw through all the smoke and did their job. 738 00:48:26,612 --> 00:48:30,616 They're heroes. 739 00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:34,786 After the trial, Detective Moore said to me, 740 00:48:34,828 --> 00:48:36,622 "I'm gonna tell you something, 741 00:48:36,663 --> 00:48:38,957 "but I'm going to hire you as my lawyer. 742 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:42,127 "Here's a dollar. We have a lawyer-client privilege?" 743 00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:43,670 And I said, "Yeah." 744 00:48:43,712 --> 00:48:46,965 He said, "There's other murders here. 745 00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:49,968 "We got to get other things on this guy." 746 00:49:01,939 --> 00:49:04,858 Do new memories still come out? 747 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,319 Yes. 748 00:49:07,361 --> 00:49:11,281 Have you remembered witnessing 749 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:15,118 any other crimes that your father's committed? 750 00:49:17,913 --> 00:49:22,334 I just--I've been asked not to comment on it.62337

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