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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,023 --> 00:00:04,392 My name is Maurizio Tanfani. 2 00:00:06,327 --> 00:00:09,898 I've been retired now for eleven years. 3 00:00:10,565 --> 00:00:13,801 I worked In the cinema all my life. 4 00:00:13,902 --> 00:00:15,837 I was an assistant director. 5 00:00:15,937 --> 00:00:19,641 I was also a co-director... 6 00:00:19,741 --> 00:00:23,845 when I set up a company with a friend... 7 00:00:23,978 --> 00:00:27,849 Bruno Mattei, who unfortunately is no longer with us. 8 00:00:27,982 --> 00:00:31,452 With the money for one film, we'd make two films. 9 00:00:31,553 --> 00:00:33,721 Portrait of a set 10 00:00:33,855 --> 00:00:38,593 Interview with assistant director Maurizio Tanfani 11 00:00:38,927 --> 00:00:41,429 At the time of the film... 12 00:00:41,563 --> 00:00:45,300 The Secret of Dorian Gray, I had just finished working... 13 00:00:45,433 --> 00:00:48,670 as a film agent... 14 00:00:48,803 --> 00:00:53,775 because after having made a series of films with Comencini... 15 00:00:53,841 --> 00:00:56,477 Citto Maselll, etc... 16 00:00:58,313 --> 00:01:01,316 I got a call from someone at William Morris... 17 00:01:01,449 --> 00:01:05,853 who represented great Italian actors such as Mastroianni, Loren. 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,191 And in America, Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen... 19 00:01:10,992 --> 00:01:13,861 Candice Bergen, Natalie Wood, etc... 20 00:01:14,262 --> 00:01:18,399 I spent four years behind a desk, which wasn't the life for me... 21 00:01:18,533 --> 00:01:21,402 unfortunately, because I was a man of the set. 22 00:01:21,636 --> 00:01:26,941 I left William Morris because there was a misunderstanding. 23 00:01:27,275 --> 00:01:30,211 I had found a film for Claudia Cardinale... 24 00:01:30,345 --> 00:01:33,648 who was a friend of mine from the time of Bebo's Girl... 25 00:01:33,715 --> 00:01:37,752 another film where I was assistant to Luigi Comencini. 26 00:01:37,852 --> 00:01:42,690 He was one of my mentors, and unfortunately he too left us recently. 27 00:01:44,392 --> 00:01:49,263 I worked for a few months with Gino Malerba. 28 00:01:49,564 --> 00:01:53,835 Gino Malerba was the choreographer on Cleopatra... 29 00:01:55,470 --> 00:01:59,273 and he had married Margaret Lee, who in the sixties... 30 00:01:59,407 --> 00:02:03,211 was one of the most beautiful women in Italian cinema. 31 00:02:03,678 --> 00:02:05,313 One day, by chance... 32 00:02:05,446 --> 00:02:09,651 Massimo Dallamano was casting in one of Malerba's offices... 33 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:13,921 and Malerba told him that I was his collaborator... 34 00:02:14,022 --> 00:02:16,824 and that I was an assistant director... 35 00:02:18,259 --> 00:02:22,897 that I could speak four languages. and so If he needed me... 36 00:02:23,031 --> 00:02:27,301 And so Massimo Dallamano said, "Perfect. I don't have an assistant." 37 00:02:27,435 --> 00:02:31,339 So we came to an agreement and we went to London for 6 weeks. 38 00:02:31,472 --> 00:02:33,474 And now to return to the film... 39 00:02:33,608 --> 00:02:35,610 You didn't know Dallamano before this? 40 00:02:35,710 --> 00:02:39,947 Absolutely not. After we had talked for an hour or so... 41 00:02:40,214 --> 00:02:42,650 we found that we were on the same wavelength. 42 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:46,421 Massimo was a very nice man, but at first impression... 43 00:02:46,554 --> 00:02:48,890 he was quite a gruff person. He was a man of few words... 44 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:52,927 with great humanity about him, and he had a great sensitivity... 45 00:02:53,027 --> 00:02:57,265 both as a director and as a cinematographer. 46 00:02:57,365 --> 00:02:59,901 Since he had been a cinematographer... 47 00:03:00,001 --> 00:03:04,972 he knew how to frame. It's even true that he operated the camera. 48 00:03:05,506 --> 00:03:09,777 He had a cinematographer, who set up the lighting. etc... 49 00:03:09,844 --> 00:03:15,550 However, behind the camera, behind the lens... 50 00:03:15,683 --> 00:03:17,318 He framed everything. 51 00:03:17,385 --> 00:03:21,756 He was a person who had a very ambiguous part to his personality... 52 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:29,764 somewhat similar to the character of Dorian Gray. that is, of Helmut Berger. 53 00:03:29,897 --> 00:03:32,233 They had a good relationship. 54 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:37,638 He was a little morbid in many ways... 55 00:03:37,805 --> 00:03:41,275 even in relationships with women. 56 00:03:43,478 --> 00:03:47,615 If men sometimes tried to challenge him... 57 00:03:47,882 --> 00:03:53,187 when he was, for example, trying to impress a woman... 58 00:03:54,522 --> 00:03:57,692 he didn't like it at all... 59 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:02,730 because he had a very introverted character... 60 00:04:03,865 --> 00:04:06,234 and maybe he was actually a bit... 61 00:04:06,334 --> 00:04:09,270 he had something... 62 00:04:10,304 --> 00:04:13,708 genetically, as we say, similar to Helmut. 63 00:04:13,808 --> 00:04:16,811 My job was to get up before everyone... 64 00:04:16,878 --> 00:04:20,414 go to make-up and check that all the actors... 65 00:04:20,548 --> 00:04:24,318 - came to get made-up. - That they were called on time... 66 00:04:24,385 --> 00:04:27,755 There was this one who needed to have a lot of make-up... 67 00:04:27,855 --> 00:04:30,391 and that was Herbert Lom. 68 00:04:30,525 --> 00:04:33,561 He needed two hours of make-up... 69 00:04:33,694 --> 00:04:36,731 because he had an imperfection with his nose... 70 00:04:36,831 --> 00:04:38,733 I don't know if it was a temporary thing... 71 00:04:38,833 --> 00:04:41,435 and they had to straighten his nose. 72 00:04:41,569 --> 00:04:45,473 So the make-up artist had to apply something to straighten his nose. 73 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:51,379 The big problem, if I remember correctly, but I'm not fully certain... 74 00:04:51,479 --> 00:04:57,752 the difficulty was in making the various portraits... 75 00:04:57,885 --> 00:05:02,623 because we couldn't find a painter or an artist, or whatever you like... 76 00:05:02,757 --> 00:05:06,961 who would paint a portrait of Dorian Gray in the likeness of Helmut Berger... 77 00:05:07,261 --> 00:05:11,332 because they had a portrait done... but it didn't have a face... 78 00:05:11,465 --> 00:05:14,769 because they didn't know which actor they would have. 79 00:05:14,836 --> 00:05:18,873 So when they cast Helmut Berger, they painted his face. 80 00:05:19,006 --> 00:05:23,211 I know that it was Dallamano who wanted Helmut Berger... 81 00:05:23,344 --> 00:05:28,683 because the Italian producers had suggested two or three names... 82 00:05:28,749 --> 00:05:31,919 and he said, "No. Helmut Berger is perfect... 83 00:05:32,253 --> 00:05:34,589 for this ambiguous character." 84 00:05:34,722 --> 00:05:39,560 Can you remember any of the other actors suggested for the role? 85 00:05:39,794 --> 00:05:42,797 I think one of them was perhaps Franco Nero... 86 00:05:42,897 --> 00:05:46,634 but he wasn't suitable, because Franco Nero was... 87 00:05:47,935 --> 00:05:49,971 the symbol of Django. 88 00:05:50,271 --> 00:05:55,476 After six weeks in London, we went to Hamburg for two weeks... 89 00:05:55,843 --> 00:06:01,315 but we didn't get much done because the Germans didn't understand... 90 00:06:01,415 --> 00:06:04,886 what kind of collaboration we wanted with them. 91 00:06:04,986 --> 00:06:08,389 The Germans thought it was some sort of service. 92 00:06:08,522 --> 00:06:13,227 After that we went to Talamone to shoot a scene of a party... 93 00:06:13,294 --> 00:06:17,231 where there was this Beryl Cunningham, who was a girl... 94 00:06:17,298 --> 00:06:18,833 Piero Vivarelli's wife? 95 00:06:18,933 --> 00:06:22,703 Yes. And Piero Vivarelli was in the film too, he acted in it. 96 00:06:22,803 --> 00:06:25,673 And then there was this very beautiful blonde girl... 97 00:06:25,806 --> 00:06:30,745 whose name I can't remember, who was the girlfriend of Ibrahim Moussa... 98 00:06:30,845 --> 00:06:33,881 who at that time was an agent... 99 00:06:34,015 --> 00:06:36,684 or an actor, or producer, I don't know what. 100 00:06:36,751 --> 00:06:40,888 - Some sort of producer... - Yes, now he's in Hollywood. 101 00:06:41,022 --> 00:06:43,858 I've lost track of him at this stage. 102 00:06:44,625 --> 00:06:47,828 After that we went to Rome, I think it was to Cinecitta... 103 00:06:47,929 --> 00:06:50,831 we shot a week of scenes on set, but we didn't do much... 104 00:06:50,932 --> 00:06:55,803 as we shot most of it on location. For the most part we shot in London... 105 00:06:55,937 --> 00:06:59,273 where some scenes were shot in the Normandy Hotel... 106 00:06:59,373 --> 00:07:04,211 where the whole crew was staying and the owners were desperate... 107 00:07:04,312 --> 00:07:07,748 because we caused havoc, as the Italians usually do. 108 00:07:07,882 --> 00:07:10,985 The English were far more... 109 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,456 Helmut was great. I believe they were reciting in English. 110 00:07:15,589 --> 00:07:17,925 He was ambiguous, he was very ambiguous. 111 00:07:18,059 --> 00:07:21,629 I must say. I remember something: perhaps... 112 00:07:23,331 --> 00:07:28,302 coming from working with and being taught by Luchino Visconti... 113 00:07:28,669 --> 00:07:31,839 Helmut was an extraordinary actor. 114 00:07:31,973 --> 00:07:35,977 He never made mistakes; he knew his part by heart. 115 00:07:36,243 --> 00:07:40,648 He never got a line wrong. 116 00:07:40,748 --> 00:07:43,217 If you had to do reverse-angle shot, 117 00:07:43,351 --> 00:07:46,287 he would do exactly the same movements... 118 00:07:47,288 --> 00:07:50,358 If he'd done a movement like this, and then they shot him 119 00:07:50,458 --> 00:07:52,827 from a reverse-angle, he'd do the same movement... 120 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,331 at the same moment during his lines. An extraordinary actor... 121 00:07:57,465 --> 00:07:59,767 because there was no joking with Luchino. 122 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:02,803 I remember that the costume designer... 123 00:08:02,937 --> 00:08:05,940 who was a very strange character... 124 00:08:06,273 --> 00:08:11,712 he had a huge crush on Helmut Berger... 125 00:08:12,913 --> 00:08:17,918 and he tried to take over my job from me. 126 00:08:19,587 --> 00:08:22,423 When I went to the costume designer... 127 00:08:22,556 --> 00:08:25,726 there was a scene change, he said... 128 00:08:25,826 --> 00:08:28,462 "No. no, I take care of it." And I remember... 129 00:08:28,629 --> 00:08:31,565 a number of times him going around the set... 130 00:08:31,665 --> 00:08:36,971 with pairs of Helmut Berger's underwear from different scenes... 131 00:08:37,304 --> 00:08:40,841 all sticking out of his pockets, and he was all happy. 132 00:08:40,975 --> 00:08:44,645 It was so funny. I was enjoying myself so much... 133 00:08:44,745 --> 00:08:49,683 but I couldn't really because this fellow was a favorite of the producer's. 134 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:54,688 I remember that Massimo got very, very angry... 135 00:08:55,623 --> 00:08:59,760 once he asked for a certain amount of extras... 136 00:09:00,428 --> 00:09:03,330 and production couldn't give them to him. 137 00:09:03,931 --> 00:09:08,269 They didn't give them to him; instead of the 30 he asked for... 138 00:09:08,369 --> 00:09:11,272 - only seven or so arrived. - So... 139 00:09:11,605 --> 00:09:17,244 So, when Massimo Dallamano got angry, he got furious... 140 00:09:17,344 --> 00:09:20,247 because he released all his... 141 00:09:20,347 --> 00:09:24,685 He was a very reserved, very introverted person... 142 00:09:24,752 --> 00:09:28,923 and so all this rage inside him, the tension from making the film... 143 00:09:29,223 --> 00:09:33,661 came out and it created a truly incredible scene. 144 00:09:33,894 --> 00:09:37,832 Do you remember them doing double versions of the scenes? 145 00:09:37,965 --> 00:09:40,534 I remember them reciting in English... 146 00:09:40,668 --> 00:09:44,505 I mean for the sex scenes. The more censored version... 147 00:09:44,605 --> 00:09:50,644 Well, they were always quite... Let's say it wasn't hardcore, right? 148 00:09:50,744 --> 00:09:53,747 Of course not, but there was a double version... 149 00:09:53,881 --> 00:09:59,286 Yes. with and without underwear, however always being careful... 150 00:09:59,386 --> 00:10:02,356 For example. I remember that in the scene... 151 00:10:02,590 --> 00:10:06,894 with those women who were supposed to be naked... 152 00:10:06,994 --> 00:10:11,465 they always had this plastic triangle here in front of them. 153 00:10:11,599 --> 00:10:13,667 - The cache sex. - The cache sex. 154 00:10:14,535 --> 00:10:17,438 And they tried to frame it... 155 00:10:17,838 --> 00:10:21,542 The upper body, their breasts, no problem with that. 156 00:10:21,909 --> 00:10:26,213 In the first version shot you see everything down to here... 157 00:10:26,313 --> 00:10:29,283 - and in the other up to here. - That's what I meant. 158 00:10:29,416 --> 00:10:31,552 Yes. we shot a double version. 159 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:37,825 But if I remember correctly, Massimo was very... 160 00:10:40,327 --> 00:10:43,797 he was a little too excited shooting these things. 161 00:10:44,865 --> 00:10:49,203 Seeing that he was very introverted, and perhaps he had problems... 162 00:10:49,336 --> 00:10:52,573 some problems perhaps with women... 163 00:10:52,673 --> 00:10:55,676 and he shot these scenes... 164 00:10:55,743 --> 00:10:59,713 but he was helped greatly by this costume designer... 165 00:10:59,780 --> 00:11:00,848 I see. 166 00:11:01,415 --> 00:11:04,585 ... who got carried away a little. "You have to do this..." 167 00:11:04,718 --> 00:11:07,521 He was good at setting up these sex scenes... 168 00:11:07,588 --> 00:11:10,291 Yes. he was great at doing that. 169 00:11:10,424 --> 00:11:13,661 And so Helmut was always framed from the front... 170 00:11:13,794 --> 00:11:17,598 from beneath, above, behind... It didn't bother Helmut at all. 171 00:11:17,665 --> 00:11:22,369 He walked around the set naked. He had no problems with that. 172 00:11:22,503 --> 00:11:26,840 The modern version of Dorian Gray, just as in Oscar Wilde's book... 173 00:11:26,974 --> 00:11:29,243 - was a libertine... - Anything goes... 174 00:11:29,376 --> 00:11:31,312 Exactly, anything goes. 175 00:11:31,412 --> 00:11:38,719 Massimo had in any case thought he would shoot the film... 176 00:11:38,852 --> 00:11:41,422 as quite an erotic film... 177 00:11:41,555 --> 00:11:47,928 especially regarding the private life of Helmut. 178 00:11:47,995 --> 00:11:51,265 And Helmut was perfect for this. 179 00:11:51,432 --> 00:11:55,269 I made another film six or seven years later... 180 00:11:55,336 --> 00:11:57,905 again in London, with another friend... 181 00:11:58,239 --> 00:12:02,643 and he too is no longer with us, Nini Rosati. 182 00:12:02,810 --> 00:12:07,248 Nini Rosati made all those films with Maurizio Merli. 183 00:12:07,348 --> 00:12:10,784 We made The Perfect Crime, which was never released... 184 00:12:10,884 --> 00:12:13,320 because the production failed 3 times. 185 00:12:13,454 --> 00:12:18,926 - Then this film was released... - It was released, but I know... 186 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:24,298 At a certain stage the producers told us if we wanted to make it... 187 00:12:24,365 --> 00:12:26,533 We didn't work for a month or two... 188 00:12:26,634 --> 00:12:29,203 and we were missing some scenes. 189 00:12:30,404 --> 00:12:34,842 Gloria Guida's part was missing one shot... 190 00:12:34,975 --> 00:12:40,581 and we got a stand-in wearing a wig exactly like her and shot from behind 191 00:12:40,681 --> 00:12:43,350 50 she looked just like her. 192 00:12:43,584 --> 00:12:45,586 Because she hadn't been paid. 193 00:12:45,653 --> 00:12:47,888 Then the producers... 194 00:12:47,988 --> 00:12:51,792 After two months, another production group took over... 195 00:12:51,892 --> 00:12:54,495 and asked us if it would be possible... 196 00:12:56,463 --> 00:13:00,868 for us to work for another 2 or 3 weeks to get the film finished... 197 00:13:01,001 --> 00:13:03,871 without being paid. We accepted this... 198 00:13:04,004 --> 00:13:08,709 also because they told us they would pay us for the other 4 weeks... 199 00:13:08,809 --> 00:13:13,947 from the start of the final part of the filming... 200 00:13:14,248 --> 00:13:16,517 for which we hadn't been paid. 201 00:13:16,617 --> 00:13:20,788 They said they'd pay all at once. Then after 3 weeks we weren't paid... 202 00:13:20,921 --> 00:13:24,291 so we brought them to court. Then a year later... 203 00:13:24,425 --> 00:13:27,828 there was an agreement and each of us got two-thirds... 204 00:13:27,961 --> 00:13:29,830 including the director. We shot... 205 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:32,199 at Marymount on Via Nomentana. 206 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:35,336 There was Adolfo Celi, it was a big production. 207 00:13:35,469 --> 00:13:38,238 - It was released... - Alida Valli was also in it. 208 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:42,209 -... under name of... - The Perfect Crime. I've never seen it. 209 00:13:42,343 --> 00:13:45,346 I was Silvio Amadio's assistant. 210 00:13:46,246 --> 00:13:47,748 For which film? 211 00:13:48,382 --> 00:13:49,850 Desideri d'estate. 212 00:13:49,917 --> 00:13:53,420 It had Sergio Leonardi, Massimo Bernardi... 213 00:13:53,554 --> 00:13:58,258 Manuela Kustermann, and also Lallo Ferzetti... 214 00:13:58,792 --> 00:14:00,961 and Rosemary Dexter... 215 00:14:01,295 --> 00:14:04,932 who Silvio Amadio was obsessed with... 216 00:14:04,998 --> 00:14:08,302 because she looked like Anna Maria Pierangel... 217 00:14:08,402 --> 00:14:10,237 a dear friend of mine... 218 00:14:11,638 --> 00:14:14,541 Our families were friends too. 219 00:14:14,675 --> 00:14:18,612 And since he couldn't have Anna Maria Pierangell because... 220 00:14:18,712 --> 00:14:19,747 At least... 221 00:14:19,847 --> 00:14:23,584 Atleast he could have this girl who looked like her. Rosemary was... 222 00:14:23,717 --> 00:14:26,387 beautiful, but she wasn't an actress. 223 00:14:26,487 --> 00:14:30,891 - You talked about Demofilo Fidani... - Demofilo Fidani who made Westerns... 224 00:14:30,991 --> 00:14:34,361 that were shot in 7 or 8 days... 225 00:14:34,461 --> 00:14:38,265 and he never paid anybody, or only pennies. 226 00:14:38,332 --> 00:14:41,235 And my friends who needed money would tell me... 227 00:14:41,335 --> 00:14:45,239 "Look, I need some money to go on holidays." 228 00:14:45,339 --> 00:14:48,208 I'd bring them to Demofilo, who'd say, "Nice face." 229 00:14:48,342 --> 00:14:51,211 - And give them a part in a film. - So they had a holiday. 230 00:14:51,345 --> 00:14:54,681 Yes. they had a holiday. And he had Mila's daughter... 231 00:14:54,782 --> 00:14:58,719 - and used her in his Westems... - Simonetta, Simone Blondell. 232 00:14:58,819 --> 00:15:01,889 Simonetta Vitel, who was the girlfriend... 233 00:15:01,989 --> 00:15:06,193 of two of my dear friends, the sons of Severino Gazzelloni... 234 00:15:06,326 --> 00:15:10,330 Raniero and Armando. First with one of them, then with the other. 235 00:15:10,464 --> 00:15:13,700 - With Osvaldo Civirani I made... - Kindar the Invulnerable... 236 00:15:13,801 --> 00:15:16,503 I made Kindar the Invulnerable starring Mark Forest. 237 00:15:16,570 --> 00:15:20,441 Mark Forest was sitting and I said, "Mark, we're ready to shoot." 238 00:15:22,242 --> 00:15:24,945 "Give me one minute." So, he began to breathe... 239 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:28,415 and slowly you saw him becoming like the Hulk. 240 00:15:28,549 --> 00:15:33,420 He was getting bigger until a certain point when he looked like Mr. Muscle. 241 00:15:33,487 --> 00:15:37,257 All his hair waxed off. And then, "I'm ready." 242 00:15:37,357 --> 00:15:40,928 He looked like he had two loaves of bread here and two here... 243 00:15:41,028 --> 00:15:42,930 and he went on set. 244 00:15:43,197 --> 00:15:47,367 Poor fellow. A dreadful actor, but he looked good for the part. 245 00:15:47,501 --> 00:15:52,840 And his enemy in the film was Dick Palmer, Mimmo Palmara... 246 00:15:52,906 --> 00:15:57,711 And the woman, and she always died, she'd say, "l die In all my movies"... 247 00:15:57,778 --> 00:15:59,246 Rosalba Neri. 248 00:15:59,379 --> 00:16:01,281 There wasn't any money... 249 00:16:01,415 --> 00:16:07,888 s0 Osvaldo Civriani had asked for 30 extras for a sword fight scene... 250 00:16:07,955 --> 00:16:12,926 where they were killing each other in a temple, or somewhere... 251 00:16:12,993 --> 00:16:15,829 Anyway, he had asked for 30... 252 00:16:15,963 --> 00:16:20,534 but the producer said no, because there wasn't enough money. 253 00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:25,739 I think it was Luigi Mondello, one of these terrific producers. 254 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:29,843 And so I asked him what should we do, so... 255 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:31,578 No, no. 256 00:16:31,712 --> 00:16:35,482 He shot a whole scene full of these things... 257 00:16:35,582 --> 00:16:38,886 swords plunging into people with lots of blood... 258 00:16:38,986 --> 00:16:43,757 fake blood that was continuously being pumped by the make-up people. 259 00:16:43,857 --> 00:16:45,826 It was red everywhere... 260 00:16:45,959 --> 00:16:48,495 All of this In close-up. 261 00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:53,901 One guy killed another In close-up, he'd fall and crawl away underneath... 262 00:16:54,001 --> 00:16:57,371 then he'd change his costume and come back in from behind. 263 00:16:57,504 --> 00:17:01,241 As another. And it appeared to be a huge crowd of people... 264 00:17:01,341 --> 00:17:03,210 all of it shot in close-up. 265 00:17:03,343 --> 00:17:05,779 It was... 266 00:17:05,913 --> 00:17:10,551 my idea to do this because I'd seen... the set photographer... 267 00:17:10,651 --> 00:17:13,487 was a friend of mine... 268 00:17:13,587 --> 00:17:16,657 I don't remember if it was Enrico Appetito or not. 269 00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:20,694 He said to me, "Why don't you shoot it like I'd shoot a photograph? 270 00:17:20,794 --> 00:17:26,733 When I don't want to show an ancient Roman wearing sock, I take a close-up." 271 00:17:26,867 --> 00:17:29,403 - Shoot it tighter... -... you can do anything. 272 00:17:29,536 --> 00:17:33,574 So these guys were beating each other up, cutting throats... 273 00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:37,744 the others were continuously pumping the blood, they were dying, roaring... 274 00:17:37,878 --> 00:17:42,449 and then they returned... Quickly the costume department... 275 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:46,587 and other helpers helping them to put something else on... 276 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,624 so Instead of being an Egyptian they were now a Roman. 277 00:17:50,757 --> 00:17:55,295 All of this in the same close-up shot; it seemed a gigantic crowd. 278 00:17:55,362 --> 00:17:57,497 And there were 10 of them. 279 00:17:57,664 --> 00:17:59,733 I made a few Westerns... 280 00:18:01,535 --> 00:18:03,570 one was with... 281 00:18:05,272 --> 00:18:08,442 another friend of mine, Antonio de Teffe. 282 00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:11,812 - Anthony Steffen... - Exactly, Anthony Steffen. 283 00:18:13,313 --> 00:18:17,784 He always said, "There are too many words In films. In Westerns... 284 00:18:17,918 --> 00:18:21,355 there has to be shooting: more action and less words." 285 00:18:21,488 --> 00:18:23,624 - He wasn't that wrong. - No, he wasn't. 286 00:18:23,757 --> 00:18:28,195 In fact I remember, I agreed with him because John Ford... 287 00:18:28,328 --> 00:18:30,163 who I had met... 288 00:18:31,732 --> 00:18:35,202 many years before, when I went to America once... 289 00:18:35,335 --> 00:18:38,839 to meet with my ex-colleagues from William Morris... 290 00:18:38,939 --> 00:18:41,608 he said to me, "Remember one thing... 291 00:18:41,742 --> 00:18:45,779 I made many Westerns in Monument Valley in Arizona." 292 00:18:45,912 --> 00:18:48,582 He said, "Westerns are all the same... 293 00:18:48,715 --> 00:18:50,884 just change the horses." 294 00:18:50,951 --> 00:18:54,421 Another great friend of mine... 295 00:18:55,455 --> 00:18:59,326 who is also dead, but he wasn't a great director... 296 00:18:59,459 --> 00:19:01,561 was Sergio Bergonzelli. 297 00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:09,703 Once two friends of mine were both having big contractual problems. 298 00:19:11,338 --> 00:19:15,876 I sent them both to Sergio Bergonzelli, who gave them 4 million Liras each. 299 00:19:16,009 --> 00:19:18,645 One of them played the daughter of the other. 300 00:19:18,779 --> 00:19:22,382 Anna Maria Pierangell and Eleonora Rossi Drago. 301 00:19:22,482 --> 00:19:24,651 - In the Folds of the Flesh. - Yes. 302 00:19:24,751 --> 00:19:26,486 It was shot in Pescara. 303 00:19:26,753 --> 00:19:30,691 Pierangeli, who was in a desperate situation, she was in Rome... 304 00:19:30,824 --> 00:19:35,195 and she didn't have any work because Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer... 305 00:19:35,295 --> 00:19:37,864 had sent her away because she drank too much... 306 00:19:37,964 --> 00:19:41,401 and hadn't respected her contract, she kept arriving late... 307 00:19:41,501 --> 00:19:46,673 and during that period in America if you messed up... 308 00:19:46,773 --> 00:19:50,377 the first time they forgave you, the second time you got fired. 309 00:19:50,477 --> 00:19:53,313 They torn up this fabulous contract she had. 310 00:19:53,413 --> 00:19:56,149 She was getting something like... 311 00:19:56,283 --> 00:19:59,853 150,000 dollars per film, an enormous amount. 312 00:20:00,787 --> 00:20:05,358 So she came back to Italy and found herself without work. 313 00:20:05,892 --> 00:20:09,730 The poor girl, in the morning she'd get up and drink... 314 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:13,533 a bottle of Vermouth on an empty stomach. 315 00:20:13,633 --> 00:20:16,837 I remember this because I often took her to the doctor. 316 00:20:16,937 --> 00:20:21,608 She was my friend and would come to my house and my father would say... 317 00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:24,644 "Poor gil, find her a film to work on." Finally... 318 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:27,781 I found Bergonzelli's film. I can't remember if Anna Maria... 319 00:20:27,914 --> 00:20:32,285 played the daughter of Eleonora or vice versa. 320 00:20:32,419 --> 00:20:37,424 Then one day she started to hear voices and went back to America... 321 00:20:37,491 --> 00:20:41,561 because she was convinced that James Dean had called her... 322 00:20:41,695 --> 00:20:44,798 who she had been in love with when she was young. I said... 323 00:20:44,865 --> 00:20:48,835 "Look, James Dean is dead. He died more than 10-15 years ago..." 324 00:20:48,935 --> 00:20:50,270 It's unlikely... 325 00:20:50,403 --> 00:20:55,909 She said, "No, no", and left. I called old colleagues from William Morris... 326 00:20:56,243 --> 00:20:58,545 and I asked them to do me a favor. 327 00:20:58,612 --> 00:21:02,949 This girl wasn't right in the head at this point... 328 00:21:03,283 --> 00:21:06,820 so I asked them to call her ex-husband, Vic Damone... 329 00:21:06,953 --> 00:21:10,423 her first husband who will give her a hand. 330 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:14,895 So he put her up, but she came to the same end as Marilyn Monroe... 331 00:21:15,028 --> 00:21:18,198 they found her dead one morning. 332 00:21:18,698 --> 00:21:22,169 Then she was brought to Italy and that was a very painful thing... 333 00:21:22,269 --> 00:21:25,405 because at the airport there was her mother... 334 00:21:25,539 --> 00:21:28,742 Patrizia, her youngest sister... 335 00:21:28,875 --> 00:21:33,380 and there was Marisa Pavan with Jean-Pierre Aumont, her husband. 336 00:21:33,446 --> 00:21:36,583 Afterwards in the Seventies, I didn't... 337 00:21:38,351 --> 00:21:42,789 I quit... I decided not to be an agent behind a desk anymore... 338 00:21:42,923 --> 00:21:48,829 I wanted to enjoy myself on the set. So I met Gianni Grimaldi. 339 00:21:49,496 --> 00:21:54,501 For a time in the Seventies I was working just with the Grimaldis. 340 00:21:54,601 --> 00:21:58,205 They were making these films that were a bit... 341 00:21:58,338 --> 00:22:01,208 Un caso di coscienza with Lando Buzzanca. 342 00:22:01,374 --> 00:22:05,712 And then in 1980 I made a film with... 343 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:08,148 Rino Di Silvestro. 344 00:22:08,281 --> 00:22:11,618 You know he was a devil, Rino... 345 00:22:11,751 --> 00:22:13,320 - Is Rino still alive? - Yes, yes. 346 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:14,521 Wonderful! 347 00:22:14,688 --> 00:22:18,625 I'd love to meet him again. Anyway, Rino had six toes... 348 00:22:18,725 --> 00:22:21,528 - How do you mean six toes? - On each foot. 349 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:24,764 He had six toes. Not five, six. 350 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:26,900 He had 1-2-3-4-5-6. 351 00:22:27,234 --> 00:22:28,935 1-2-3-4-5-6. 352 00:22:29,269 --> 00:22:30,904 - A werewolf? - A werewolf! 353 00:22:31,004 --> 00:22:34,774 And he lived in an apartment that was completely black. 354 00:22:35,709 --> 00:22:39,746 Black walls, black curtains, black sheets, black everything. 355 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,749 He was one of those that contacted spirits. 356 00:22:42,816 --> 00:22:47,320 - He was convinced of those things? - He was great, completely crazy. 357 00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:48,822 One of the nicest. 358 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:53,526 And we made this film with Tuccio Musumeci... 359 00:22:53,627 --> 00:22:55,896 -in Catania, shot... - Bello... 360 00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:59,199 - Bello di... - Bello dimamma. 361 00:22:59,332 --> 00:23:02,936 With Carmen Scarpitta. It also had Philippe Leroy... 362 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:07,407 Carole André, and loads of other actors from around Catania. 363 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:11,411 I doubt It even made a Lira. I still have the photographs. 364 00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:16,650 It was a film where the producer, Luigi Grosso from Catania... 365 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:18,518 wanted... 366 00:23:22,389 --> 00:23:24,958 to have a relationship or something... 367 00:23:25,292 --> 00:23:27,627 He tried his luck with Anna Kanakis. 368 00:23:28,295 --> 00:23:30,697 The film was all shot indoors. 369 00:23:30,864 --> 00:23:35,235 It was shot in June and July in Catania. in Aci Trezza... 370 00:23:35,402 --> 00:23:38,305 on the shoreline. I went to Rino and said... 371 00:23:38,438 --> 00:23:41,374 "In this sun, why do we have to be closed up inside?" 372 00:23:41,474 --> 00:23:43,243 "You're right." 373 00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:47,914 All of us amongst the cliffs on mats. All the scenes became dialogues... 374 00:23:48,248 --> 00:23:51,952 from one cliff to another. Or Carole André with Philippe... 375 00:23:52,285 --> 00:23:57,824 All Catania, naturally the whole crew, everyone got involved. 376 00:23:57,991 --> 00:23:59,693 They all got involved... 377 00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:01,861 Ah, The True Story of the Nun of Monza... 378 00:24:02,028 --> 00:24:06,666 Tucci was the distributor... 379 00:24:08,001 --> 00:24:12,205 with Bruno Mattel, and he died just one year ago. 380 00:24:12,872 --> 00:24:16,543 And we made... Afterwards we made... 381 00:24:16,643 --> 00:24:18,278 There were three of us. 382 00:24:18,411 --> 00:24:21,247 Bruno was pretending to be sick every so often... 383 00:24:21,414 --> 00:24:26,286 - and the scenes that he wasn't in... - Why was he pretending to be sick? 384 00:24:26,386 --> 00:24:28,822 It was a question of insurance. 385 00:24:28,955 --> 00:24:32,325 So they would pay double for that day... 386 00:24:32,492 --> 00:24:36,329 because the producers were Walter Bigari and... 387 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:43,269 There where Nello Santi once was, near Via di Novella. That's where... 388 00:24:43,403 --> 00:24:46,439 the production company was. So we made this film... 389 00:24:46,573 --> 00:24:49,476 and they got this money... 390 00:24:49,576 --> 00:24:52,779 and we found this actress, Zora Kerova... 391 00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:58,852 who was this big woman, she was 5 foot 9, beautiful... 392 00:24:58,952 --> 00:25:01,688 and she was a friend of some producer. 393 00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:06,526 We looked at our finances... 394 00:25:07,327 --> 00:25:10,864 and together with Bruno Mattei... 395 00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:15,769 and Claudio Fragasso, who is now a director himself... 396 00:25:15,935 --> 00:25:18,438 we shot two films... 397 00:25:18,571 --> 00:25:22,876 The True Story of the Nun of Monza and Inferno in un convento. 398 00:25:22,976 --> 00:25:28,415 The nuns from The True Story of the Nun of Monza had these long veils... 399 00:25:28,615 --> 00:25:31,484 the old fashioned ones they had once upon a time. 400 00:25:31,618 --> 00:25:34,521 So the nuns' clothing stayed the same... 401 00:25:34,621 --> 00:25:38,291 but we added the headpiece for Inferno in un convento... 402 00:25:38,391 --> 00:25:40,360 because it was a modern story. 403 00:25:40,493 --> 00:25:43,496 But it was released with the title Guardian of Hell. 404 00:25:43,563 --> 00:25:44,764 I don't know why... 405 00:25:45,765 --> 00:25:49,269 Another one I worked with was Roberto Montero. 406 00:25:49,402 --> 00:25:52,939 - Roberto Bianchi Montero. - Roberto Bianchi... 407 00:25:53,273 --> 00:25:55,708 - And his son... - Mario Bianchi. 408 00:25:55,975 --> 00:25:58,678 With Mario Bianchi I made... 409 00:25:58,812 --> 00:26:02,949 a film with Femi Benussi called The Black Maid... 410 00:26:03,783 --> 00:26:06,186 which they didn't pay us for. 411 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,322 Eventually when the first print was ready... 412 00:26:09,389 --> 00:26:13,259 all the crew was lined up in front of the producers... 413 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,530 with their hands out like this. A photographer took a picture... 414 00:26:17,664 --> 00:26:22,435 of the whole crew, because the first print was ready 2 and a half months... 415 00:26:22,569 --> 00:26:28,241 after the end of the shoot, because they couldn't finish the editing... 416 00:26:28,341 --> 00:26:31,277 as they hadn't any money, the usual things. 417 00:26:31,411 --> 00:26:34,514 But these guys always gave us our money. 418 00:26:34,681 --> 00:26:39,452 With Roberto Montero I shot Bocche calde. 419 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,656 - Bocche calde... - We shot it in Manziana. 420 00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:46,392 - With Ajita Wilson. - Ajita Wilson. 421 00:26:46,526 --> 00:26:49,496 La sorprendente eredita del tonto dimamma. 422 00:26:49,596 --> 00:26:54,634 That's the one. With another beautiful friend of mine... 423 00:26:54,767 --> 00:26:59,305 who is probably 60 by now, Patrizia Webley. 424 00:26:59,439 --> 00:27:03,643 - Of course, Patrizia De Rossl. - Patrizia De Rossi... Patrizia Webley. 425 00:27:03,743 --> 00:27:07,814 If you said to her... 426 00:27:07,914 --> 00:27:10,717 "Look, there's this scene that's a little..." 427 00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:12,652 "What do I have to wear? 428 00:27:12,785 --> 00:27:15,655 Naked? No problem. Whatever you want." 429 00:27:15,788 --> 00:27:17,223 And she looked good. 430 00:27:17,357 --> 00:27:20,393 And all the crew, and this always happened... 431 00:27:20,493 --> 00:27:22,662 the crew was sent away... 432 00:27:22,996 --> 00:27:27,901 and there was myself, the cameraman and the director, and that's all. 433 00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:30,970 Lucky you. 434 00:27:31,437 --> 00:27:36,142 So naturally through all the holes in the walls of the set... 435 00:27:36,276 --> 00:27:39,646 all the crew could see everything. 436 00:27:39,746 --> 00:27:42,348 And when we went out, stop! They all came back in... 437 00:27:42,482 --> 00:27:46,186 and she didn't have the time to cover herself up again... 438 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,556 before the whole crew was all over the place. They'd go... 439 00:27:49,656 --> 00:27:55,762 "Hey Maurizio, she's beautiful". You can imagine what it was like. 440 00:27:55,995 --> 00:28:02,302 Nini Grassia. a director who never directed a single shot. 441 00:28:02,435 --> 00:28:06,272 On the door of his house he had: "Nini Grassia, cinema... 442 00:28:06,339 --> 00:28:10,610 - television and theater director.” - He didn't leave anything out. 443 00:28:10,677 --> 00:28:16,216 He would come in the morning and ask, "Maurizio, what should we do?" 444 00:28:16,349 --> 00:28:18,284 Was this in recent times? 445 00:28:18,351 --> 00:28:22,488 This was in 1979. 446 00:28:24,557 --> 00:28:25,558 In Naples... 447 00:28:25,658 --> 00:28:30,597 La pagella with Mario Trevi and Marc Porel. 448 00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:34,434 Marc Porel played a police commissioner. 449 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:37,237 The film was shot by me... 450 00:28:37,303 --> 00:28:39,939 Gigi Ciccarese, who was the DP... 451 00:28:40,273 --> 00:28:43,676 and Sergio Garrone, who was the writer. 452 00:28:44,277 --> 00:28:48,781 The three of us shot it, because Nini Grassia was chased away... 453 00:28:48,848 --> 00:28:52,518 on the second day by the producer, who was this guy from Aversa. 454 00:28:52,652 --> 00:28:55,655 He used to arrive on the Saturday morning... 455 00:28:55,722 --> 00:28:58,491 "Hey guys, the money's coming." 456 00:28:58,558 --> 00:29:01,261 He had this bag and opened it... 457 00:29:01,361 --> 00:29:05,798 he took out a handgun as big as this. and put it down beside him... 458 00:29:06,566 --> 00:29:09,535 and he said, "Now, everybody stop. 459 00:29:10,436 --> 00:29:11,904 How much do you earn?" 460 00:29:11,971 --> 00:29:14,741 That one said, "l eam... 461 00:29:15,508 --> 00:29:19,646 300,000 a week, but I've done five hours overtime." 462 00:29:19,779 --> 00:29:22,315 How much for an hour's overtime?" 463 00:29:22,482 --> 00:29:25,652 And so, thirty thousand Lira. 464 00:29:25,885 --> 00:29:30,823 "Okay, five, five by three, fifteen. All night, let's make it a 160. 465 00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:34,327 Il give you 10,000 as a present." Everyone was happy. 466 00:29:34,394 --> 00:29:37,430 An incredible film. We had a great time in Naples. 467 00:29:37,530 --> 00:29:40,933 We made this film, shot near Vesuvius... 468 00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:43,403 Then there was this Marino... 469 00:29:43,536 --> 00:29:47,507 in the scene in which Mario Trevi brings his son to a jewelers shop... 470 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,143 where he is killed... 471 00:29:51,477 --> 00:29:53,846 we needed an ambulance. 472 00:29:54,847 --> 00:29:58,384 But the ambulance... didn't arrive. 473 00:29:58,484 --> 00:30:02,255 So at a certain point I said, "Allright, this guy... 474 00:30:02,422 --> 00:30:08,795 all covered in blood and shot up, let's put him on a stretcher." 475 00:30:08,928 --> 00:30:12,765 So we put him on a stretcher and carried him out of shot... 476 00:30:12,865 --> 00:30:16,369 Add a siren, and pretend there's an ambulance. 477 00:30:16,469 --> 00:30:18,938 He said, "I'll send you an ambulance”, 478 00:30:19,238 --> 00:30:24,477 because he had pocketed the money for the ambulance... 479 00:30:24,811 --> 00:30:30,216 and he brought us a little model ambulance this size. 480 00:30:30,817 --> 00:30:35,254 So we shot this in close-up and it looked like a real ambulance. 481 00:30:35,388 --> 00:30:39,592 - Fantastic. That was the level... - That's the level we were at. 482 00:30:39,726 --> 00:30:43,262 I was never a lawyer, never. 483 00:30:43,396 --> 00:30:47,400 I made films and I had a lot of fun. 41984

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