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She was a perfect wife...
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An outstanding mother, a hard
worker, a reliable person...
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Trustworthy, I would marry her
again tomorrow if I could...
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She's awesome, she's the best.
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And then she drives away...
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I've watched this, like, numerous
times. Over and over again.
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And she was fine. And
that's what's frustrating.
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I'm very big into mystery
shows. I live for watching those.
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And even before this,
that's all I would watch.
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And it's just ironic to me that
I feel like I'm on one of them.
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I feel like...
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I'm walking around and there's going to be
like this story that's going to come out.
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I feel like someone's gonna say, ten
years later, it proves what happened.
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There's so much
more to this story.
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It was a horrific scene on a Taconic
parkway near route 117 this afternoon.
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This burned-out shell was all
that remained of a minivan...
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After the head-on crash
which left 8 people dead.
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Diane Schuler,
her daughter, and 3 nieces...
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Three Westchester men
in the SUV were killed.
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Evidence leads us to believe
that a vehicle was traveling...
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The wrong way southbound in
the northbound lanes of traffic.
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Several people were
ejected, most of them children.
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And we prioritized, and we were
able to save one young child's life.
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More than one family
was destroyed tonight...
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After a horrible crash
on the Taconic parkway.
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The lone survivor a 5-year-old
boy, clinging to life here tonight...
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At the Westchester
medical center.
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When I first got the phone call,
I didn't know what happened.
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I just went upstate to the hospital,
and then I found out there...
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That there was a,
a car accident...
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And uh, he gets
the phone call...
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And he got all upset on the phone
and he handed me the phone...
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And at that point it was... Bryan
died, and everybody else was alive.
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And then I went to Poppa's house,
and I told them that Bryan was dead.
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And then I got the phone call
that it wasn't, that Bryan survived.
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And then, Jimmy said "It's
bad, it's bad J, everyone's gone."
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You know, I don't remember
much, of that day, you know.
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Just taking care of Bryan
that's what I remember.
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My sister was a phenomenal
mother, aunt, and friend.
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And all of us are grateful
for the love and care...
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That she showered upon our entire
family especially all of our children.
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What we ask all of
you going forward is...
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That you keep my girls, my sister, and my
niece, and all of us in your daily prayers.
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There is a miracle
child in all of this.
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Our dear nephew, Bryan, who's
getting better and stronger by the day.
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And who will be loved by more
people than he will ever understand.
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Love your children.
Cherish your children.
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Kiss your children...
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And don't ever forget...
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An autopsy was performed...
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By the Westchester County
medical, medical examiner's office...
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On the body of
Diane Schuler...
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The operator of the 2003 Ford van
who was responsible for this crash.
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The toxicology
from that autopsy...
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Shows that Diane Schuler had a
blood-alcohol content of .19 percent.
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The legal limit for intoxication
in New York state is .08 percent.
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Toxicology also reveals that Diane
Schuler had a high level of THC.
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THC is the active ingredient
contained in marijuana.
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Um, the weight is what's very important
in calculating the number of drinks...
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And with that level of alcohol it's approximately
ten drinks are still in her at this time.
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Hi. Um, we want
to speak to you...
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About the events
that occurred...
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And I'll tell you
quite candidly...
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That I didn't see
any really benefit.
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Except my client wants
to talk about his wife.
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She was not an alcoholic,
she rarely had a drink.
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She got in the van,
with the children...
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And what should have taken a
35-minute drive, took almost four hours.
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Listen to this, I go to bed every
night knowing my heart is clear.
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She did not drink, she
was not an alcoholic.
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Listen to all that?
She is not an alcoholic.
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And my heart is rested every
night when I go to bed...
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Something medically
had to have happened.
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My name, my...
Jay Schuler.
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You're married to?
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I'm married to Danny's
brother, Jimmy Schuler.
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Diane was my sister-in-law.
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Family was the most
important thing to her.
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To have the cousins
all playing together...
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There is no way she would
ever jeopardize the children.
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Stop the barking.
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Will you just
go down a second?
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Look at the things
they wrote about her.
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"Loser, skank, killer."
Isn't that nice?
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"Oh, shut the F up and admit that him
and his wife were alchy's and potheads."
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"People you'll see in hell."
That's what Bryan's gonna see.
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That his mother was a murderer, and
people want to know why I keep on fighting.
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You go from the horrific tragedy to
now people hating you, hating you.
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People what they're saying on the computer,
people what they're saying on the news.
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You know and I'm like, "You don't
know us, that's not what happened."
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And any sympathy
turned to hate.
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I need Bryan to hold his head up
high, that his mommy was a great mom.
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She wasn't drunk, she would
never do that to them.
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Never, never ever, she would never
hurt her kids, or Warren and Jackie's.
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Something happened.
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We'll do every test that that
experts recommend to us and...
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You know we'll go to every
avenues here that can be explored.
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Right.
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But what if it doesn't turn up
something you want? What will...
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I know, I think about that
sometimes, but it's gonna work out.
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And if it doesn't I, I don't
even go down that path...
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'Cause I know she wouldn't
let me fight this for nothing.
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The Barbara
Law Firm, good afternoon.
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You know why they came to
me, originally? To go public.
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That was from day one, they
didn't just pick my name out of a hat.
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They wanted to go public, and I
still think it was the right thing to do.
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It would have never gotten
to where it is today.
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You wouldn't be involved, if it
wasn't something public, right?
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Right.
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This has been
a very, um...
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Painful, emotionally painful
experience this case...
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Because I've taken
a lot of grief.
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I've taken more grief on this
case than some of the really...
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Buttafuoco and Jessica Hahn
cases of the '70s and '80s.
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And my friendship with
certain celebrities.
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This took more heat.
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People actually come over to me,
"How could you represent that drunk?"
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And that really bothers me,
because I truly believe...
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In my heart of hearts, that she's
not an alcoholic, nor a drunk.
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Do I have an answer
for that day? No.
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What is the thing that
you want to happen most?
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I want to know what happened to
my wife, I want an autopsy done.
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A correct autopsy done and I
wanna know if she had a stroke or not.
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Cause what they're saying is
not true, or I wouldn't be doing this.
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I'm a quiet person and a
private person but, uh...
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I just want to find
out what happened.
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So, when my son gets older he
knows what happened to his mom.
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I'm gonna go until the end, until I
find out what really happened, the truth.
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Whether it's good or bad
that would be fine with me...
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But I know something medically
happened to my wife.
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Did Diane talk
to you about her mother?
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Not much.
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It wasn't a subject
that we talked about.
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What did
she say about her?
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That, uh, she left when Diane was
young. She didn't like bringing it up.
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Was it something that she
just kinda didn't deal with?
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It seemed like
it bothered her.
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But she wouldn't talk about
it. And I never push, pushed.
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So...
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Cause she was the girl of the house and
everyone said that Diane did everything.
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Did you ever meet
her mother? No.
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Uh, someone said she was at the funeral,
at the wake but, um, I never met her.
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I have... Only things I knew that
she didn't have contact with her.
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Do why, do you know why
she left the father? The...
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I don't know why she left the
dad, no. I, I really don't.
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Diane wasn't like that, like she didn't
go like, "Pity me, feel sorry for me."
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But I would imagine
that had a big impact on her.
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That she was going to be totally there
for her kids, and never leave them...
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And that's why we
find it so ironic.
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Yeah, come to the middle. Right
from the moment you woke up.
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I woke up about 6:00 a.m., went down to my
boat to clean it out and do what I gotta do.
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Came back about quarter-to-seven,
7:00 a.m., I woke her up...
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Saying we had to start
cleaning the camper...
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So we could start getting
home before traffic.
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She woke up, started packing the bags
slowly, started waking the kids up slowly...
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Started getting the kids dressed, we
unloaded the camper, all the bags...
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Outside the camper and I walk
'em to the car and we load 'em up.
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We had a cup of coffee, two
cups of coffee, and then we left.
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Yeah, I kissed everyone
goodbye and my wife.
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Thank you.
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It was a great weekend. Swimming,
hiking, campfire, cooking marshmallows.
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The game room with the kids, the
playground, it was an excellent weekend.
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Catch any fish?
Catch you later.
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Uh, there's large mouth bass, there's small
mouth, there's pickerels, sunnies, crappies.
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Hi there, how are you?
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They say when they come up
here, they forget that the world exists.
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It does give you the
opportunity to take a breath.
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It's crazy today, just the
pressures of everyday life.
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You know, mom's working, dad's working, the
kids are busy doing activities at school.
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I don't think families have enough
time to spend with each other...
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And I think this is probably one of the
places that they can come and just enjoy it.
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There's the perfect
relaxation right out there.
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That morning, we got up, we
had breakfast, we made coffee.
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We cleaned up the camper, said
goodbye to all the kids...
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She hopped in her car, I hopped
in mine, and we went on our way.
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He received a phone call at 9:00 a.m.,
from Emma Hance, his oldest daughter...
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Who said everything was good, they had a great
time. They were looking forward to, uh...
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Coming home...
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Danny was parked up in front, and
he had the dog, and he had the truck.
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And she was right
behind him in the van.
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And the kids were just yelling,
they were all strapped in their seats...
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And yelling what a good time they
had cause they were up visiting...
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With Aunt Diane, ya
know, and so forth.
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So I kinda leaned in, and I
said, "Oh, I hear you yelling."
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I said, "You have a good time?" And
they go, "Yeah, we're coming back."
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Well, you know, they were so
excited about coming back and, uh...
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That was about the last thing they said.
I said to Diane, "Have a safe trip home."
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She certainly seemed
sober to me.
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When we left the
campground, we left together...
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I followed her out and
then we got on the parkway.
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And I went home with
my dog and the laundry.
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And she stopped off at the stores,
to get gas, to get the kids' breakfast.
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And I just went home.
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The morning they
left that Sunday...
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He stated that they left
approximately the same time.
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Diane left with all the kids and
the minivan, and he left with the dog.
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And he stated that Diane was stopping at
a McDonald's not far from the campground.
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The Hance family agreed
that it was preplanned...
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That he would take the
pickup truck with the dog...
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Um, obviously you can't put the
kids in the back of a pickup truck.
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And they borrowed the
minivan from the Hance's...
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For the very purpose of
transporting all of the children.
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Investigators from the Liberty
station were able to...
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Obtain a video from the
McDonald's which was time-stamped.
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It showed Diane Schuler enter
the McDonald's, with the children.
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We additionally interviewed the
McDonald's employee who served her.
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He said that he did remember
her and did not remember her...
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Being intoxicated
or smelling of alcohol.
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The children were playing in the playground,
they seemed to be having a good time.
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Through this video we saw no
obvious signs of intoxication.
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There's the Sunoco video where you see
her at the pump getting out of the car...
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And then she goes
in, at the gas station.
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Um, then she goes in and apparently
asks for some sort of pain meds,
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which they don't have.
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She walked in,
spoke to the clerk...
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We don't know what was said, there's
no audio, and walked out with nothing.
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Again, there was no obvious
signs of intoxication at this time.
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Oh no we're doing I, I can...
What is it again, "I can learn?"
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You know E-Y-E, you
know how to spell it.
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00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:32,718
Pretty pictures!
221
00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:34,286
What's in that one, Bry?
222
00:22:34,352 --> 00:22:38,056
A face. Right there. Oh yeah.
223
00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:47,833
One, two, three, four,
five, six, seven, eight, nine.
224
00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:55,941
Go down more.
225
00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,777
- A human face?
- A human face is in there.
226
00:22:58,844 --> 00:23:01,747
Here's a nose,
eye, mouth. I see it.
227
00:23:01,813 --> 00:23:03,582
Can you find a deer...
228
00:23:03,648 --> 00:23:07,786
A buffalo, opossum,
a fox, horse, dog.
229
00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:11,323
What does this do for your eyes,
Bry? Makes 'em strong, right?
230
00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:39,618
This is the picture that they
took at the campsite on Saturday.
231
00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:41,920
It's really hard to
look it, but...
232
00:23:41,987 --> 00:23:45,490
You can see how much fun they're having
because Bryan, being like as shy as he is...
233
00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:48,326
Erin with her ball,
and Emma, Allie, and Kate.
234
00:23:48,393 --> 00:23:52,397
And that would be typical of Diane like,
"All right, everyone on a rock... pose."
235
00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:55,433
Diane, like when she asked me
to be a godmother to Erin...
236
00:23:55,500 --> 00:24:01,373
I like, I'm like, "Oh my god, she really does
like me." You know I was like so thrilled.
237
00:24:01,439 --> 00:24:04,276
That was on Erin's birthday
and Diane would always be like...
238
00:24:04,342 --> 00:24:07,445
All right, godmother,
come sit, open presents...
239
00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:11,316
She got sunglasses,
and it was too cute.
240
00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:14,619
It was fun and it's
just not the same.
241
00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:39,077
I mean, Warren and Jackie, I
think their grief is just so bad.
242
00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:44,649
Jackie, the kids were her
job, that's what she did.
243
00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:48,119
Listening to her schedule of
soccer, dance, this, that, times three...
244
00:24:48,186 --> 00:24:51,590
Running all around to
wake up to nothing.
245
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,764
I can't imagine anyone in her
family thinks Diane was drunk.
246
00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,434
As a parent, like you have
the tiny bit of doubt...
247
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,437
You're human, I would have a
tiny bit of doubt, human.
248
00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:09,241
But when Jackie reflects back or, I
don't want to speak for them, but...
249
00:25:09,307 --> 00:25:11,543
Her and Diane were
like best friends.
250
00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:15,513
But are they choosing to
speak out about it? No.
251
00:25:26,124 --> 00:25:29,861
This is the day and he's coming up to
my house and this is 7:15 in the morning.
252
00:25:29,928 --> 00:25:33,598
He goes, "Well, going to Yorktown
Heights today, my sister's house..."
253
00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:38,236
"What surprise will it be
for dinner? Laugh out loud."
254
00:25:38,303 --> 00:25:40,372
That's the day he died.
255
00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:56,054
That morning I remember, I remember
my brother'ss voice on that phone.
256
00:25:56,121 --> 00:26:00,091
Saying to me, "Hey guys, okay we're
gonna just have spaghetti and meatballs."
257
00:26:00,158 --> 00:26:01,760
I had the table set...
258
00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:05,897
And I remember him saying, "Okay,
it's all right, you know I'll be there."
259
00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:09,634
It's sort of, there's no
closure at that point...
260
00:26:09,701 --> 00:26:12,704
Because you don't get to
say goodbye, you know.
261
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,442
I mean, like I know that
he knows we all loved him.
262
00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:20,545
You know we loved my brother,
we loved them, and they know that.
263
00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:22,247
But we didn't
get to tell them.
264
00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,483
You know like we didn't get to have
that closure with them, and that...
265
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:28,987
That bothers me. And then it also
like I said it bothered me because...
266
00:26:29,054 --> 00:26:33,591
They never made it home. They should
have made it home that day and they didn't.
267
00:26:33,658 --> 00:26:37,862
It is, it was a shock, it was
really a shock. I mean just...
268
00:26:39,297 --> 00:26:42,867
When the phone call came
in and from that day forward.
269
00:26:44,069 --> 00:26:48,106
He was healthy,
he was just...
270
00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:52,978
He retired and he was really
just starting to enjoy himself.
271
00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:56,881
I feel his life was cut
short. He was really uh, eh...
272
00:26:59,217 --> 00:27:01,586
I think he had a lot
more life to live.
273
00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:24,809
Bryan's my, my
main priority right now.
274
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,046
Done?
275
00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:31,750
Being a single
parent it's hard...
276
00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:35,120
Trying to do the
right thing for him.
277
00:27:35,186 --> 00:27:38,456
Give him a normal life
as we possibly can.
278
00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:44,496
Definitely changed.
I do security work.
279
00:27:44,562 --> 00:27:49,634
I work nights, so, I'm up
at 6:00. I'm in bed by 1:00.
280
00:27:49,701 --> 00:27:52,337
What's the hardest
part of being a single parent?
281
00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:57,609
Food shopping, cooking,
laundry, taking care of the house...
282
00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:04,783
Make sure Bryan's schoolwork
and then going to work.
283
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:11,156
So, you're going all day and all night,
there's very little time for yourself.
284
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,200
Does Bryan ask
a lot about his mom, or?
285
00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:24,402
We talk a lot
about his mom.
286
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:29,941
Mommy took me here,
mommy bought me that.
287
00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,677
I used to play here
with mommy all the time.
288
00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:39,451
Does Bryan get any kind of
special support or counseling?
289
00:28:39,517 --> 00:28:42,253
No, eh... The school
is excellent.
290
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,255
He's doing really
good in school.
291
00:28:44,322 --> 00:28:50,161
And, uh, everything is
somewhat back to normal.
292
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:53,932
If he wants to talk about
it he will, you know.
293
00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:57,635
I have tried to poke and
prod and things, I'm curious.
294
00:28:57,702 --> 00:29:02,006
And he said, "Mommy's head
hurt, she couldn't see."
295
00:29:02,073 --> 00:29:04,342
I said, "Oh Bryan,
I said your mom..."
296
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:09,080
"Aunt Jay I told you, her head
hurt, she couldn't see." And he said...
297
00:29:09,147 --> 00:29:11,683
I said, "Oh, and that's when the
crash happened." And he said...
298
00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:13,985
"And I flew out of the
car like Superman."
299
00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:16,421
Since he came home from rehab
and I started spending...
300
00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,157
My days with him, the
story has never changed.
301
00:29:19,224 --> 00:29:22,527
Never, ever changed, "Mommy's
head hurt, she couldn't see."
302
00:29:38,243 --> 00:29:40,254
Diane called and said
we're running a little late...
303
00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:42,647
Because the girls
had play practice.
304
00:29:42,714 --> 00:29:45,116
And "We had a great
time, everything's great."
305
00:29:45,183 --> 00:29:49,654
All laughing, kidding around and Diane said,
"All right, they talked about the play."
306
00:29:49,721 --> 00:29:51,956
The play..."Get
me two tickets."
307
00:29:52,023 --> 00:29:56,494
I think Erin will sit on my lap, and then
they said, "Okay, we'll see you soon."
308
00:30:03,801 --> 00:30:07,672
We were traveling back on
the freeway heading south.
309
00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:15,246
We were driving
in the center lane.
310
00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:18,049
And the vehicle came up rather
quickly in the right lane...
311
00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:21,819
And, um, moved into
the center lane...
312
00:30:21,886 --> 00:30:24,522
Moved back into the
right lane and...
313
00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:29,260
Continued to make a series of movements,
changing lanes rather aggressively.
314
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:34,132
And we both looked, and we saw a
woman grasping onto the steering wheel...
315
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:37,335
Appearing to concentrate
as she was driving.
316
00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:39,437
And the last
movement it made...
317
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:43,474
It made from the right lane, and it kind of
cut off a car in the middle lane and the...
318
00:30:43,541 --> 00:30:47,478
The car or the truck actually
swerved out of the way to avoid it.
319
00:30:47,545 --> 00:30:51,082
Um, but each time it made
the movement, it did it...
320
00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:54,686
The vehicle was kind of...
It was very precise like...
321
00:30:54,752 --> 00:30:58,022
It would move into the lane, it
would move out of the lane, uh...
322
00:30:58,089 --> 00:31:00,625
And it was done with
some degree of precision.
323
00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:10,401
And there came a point in time
where we actually could see, um...
324
00:31:10,468 --> 00:31:14,706
Children's heads kind of swaying
back and forth as the vehicle moved.
325
00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:33,258
Coming down the freeway
going to the rest area...
326
00:31:33,324 --> 00:31:36,861
I thought we passed her. She
pulled out and got right behind us.
327
00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:40,565
And she was, I mean, so close to
me, I couldn't see her headlights.
328
00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:43,868
And then the next thing you know
you started hearing the horn beeping.
329
00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,907
It made me nervous,
in fact I braced myself...
330
00:31:49,974 --> 00:31:53,011
For an accident, because I
thought she was so close behind us.
331
00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:54,688
Well, the way she was
driving I thought she was...
332
00:31:54,712 --> 00:31:57,949
You know just some sort of nut
coming behind me and then...
333
00:31:58,016 --> 00:32:02,186
When she tried to pass me again on the
shoulder, that's when I really thought it.
334
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,056
And then she just pulled
right back in behind me.
335
00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:09,627
The honking happened
as we were getting...
336
00:32:09,694 --> 00:32:13,998
Off the exit for the
thruway into the rest area.
337
00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:16,868
We stayed straight which
went into the car lane...
338
00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:19,704
And she veered off
into the truck area.
339
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:23,908
And I did see her open the
door, get out of the car, and...
340
00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:29,347
Possibly she was going
to get sick to her stomach.
341
00:32:29,414 --> 00:32:30,748
What made
you think that?
342
00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:33,484
She was kind of
bent over a little.
343
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:37,055
My husband
and I then...
344
00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:41,225
Walked into the rest area, and she
wasn't there when we came out again.
345
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:43,928
It was 12:30 PM.
346
00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:46,497
If you had a
do-over, what would you do?
347
00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:49,167
I would have confronted her.
348
00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:52,170
You know, and then we probably
would have seen those kids in the car.
349
00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:54,472
And we probably would have
seen that there was...
350
00:32:54,539 --> 00:32:57,041
You know, she, there was
something wrong, you know.
351
00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:31,075
I can't really remember a point
where Diane wasn't a part of my life.
352
00:33:31,142 --> 00:33:34,212
I remember girl scouts with
her, soccer teams together...
353
00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:37,849
Kindergarten, first grade, like I don't
remember her just not being there.
354
00:33:37,915 --> 00:33:39,984
You hang out with
her at school...
355
00:33:40,051 --> 00:33:42,754
And you had the best time ever
cause she was the class clown.
356
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:45,623
And then you wanted her, her
to come to your house, because...
357
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,092
She was always fun, she
always made you laugh.
358
00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:51,763
I moved to Fort Park
in fourth grade.
359
00:33:51,829 --> 00:33:55,066
That's when I got involved
with the whole group of girls.
360
00:33:56,334 --> 00:33:58,403
We were definitely, I
wouldn't say crazy...
361
00:33:58,469 --> 00:34:04,575
We were, but we were loud, we were
fun, you know we liked the attention.
362
00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:08,346
I was most spirited, Diane
got loudest in our class...
363
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:10,524
I mean senior superlatives,
she got like seven of them.
364
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:12,784
You know she was loudest,
most fun to be around...
365
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:14,485
Class clown...
366
00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:17,264
You know, actually someone that
didn't like to be in the spotlight...
367
00:34:17,288 --> 00:34:22,894
She was in the spotlight just because
that, she had just such a big personality.
368
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,930
Diane always had a good
head on her shoulders, and...
369
00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:28,499
You know was very
responsible from an early age.
370
00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:30,935
She lived with her father
and her brothers, and...
371
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,838
You know, she was like
the woman of the house.
372
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,974
She had to clean the kitchen, you
know, she had to do wash, and...
373
00:34:37,041 --> 00:34:40,778
You know, somebody's gotta
take on that motherly role...
374
00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:44,816
So to speak, and you know...
And she definitely did it well.
375
00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:47,952
In high school,
Diane was heavy sometimes.
376
00:34:48,019 --> 00:34:50,788
She struggled
to lose weight.
377
00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:54,225
I guess it was right before my wedding, is
when she had lost the most weight ever...
378
00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:55,960
And looked amazing.
379
00:34:56,027 --> 00:35:00,031
And she had come to my wedding and
that's actually where she had met Danny.
380
00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:04,502
She really never
dated while we were younger...
381
00:35:04,569 --> 00:35:06,137
And, I think, because...
382
00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:08,473
She never really had that
companionship growing up...
383
00:35:08,539 --> 00:35:10,641
Or you know, never had
that boyfriend or anything.
384
00:35:10,708 --> 00:35:12,977
So when she met Danny like
you know she was gonna...
385
00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:17,482
Experience everything that, you know,
we all had the chance to experience.
386
00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:20,251
That was her
first love, and...
387
00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:23,788
I think she knew that you know
it was gonna be her only love.
388
00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:31,028
Mr. Schuler, can you
explain the bottle of vodka?
389
00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:45,176
No, I don't.
390
00:35:45,243 --> 00:35:49,580
Daniel, how do you
explain the vodka?
391
00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:54,819
We usually would keep it in our
camper throughout the whole season.
392
00:35:54,886 --> 00:35:57,688
- One bottle.
- Why? Why?
393
00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:00,300
You know you have pina coladas,
you, you... Sitting by a campfire...
394
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:02,293
Right. For the camp fire.
Cooking marshmallows.
395
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,296
What was the vodka
bottle doing in the car?
396
00:36:05,363 --> 00:36:09,233
My wife packed all the bags
that day in the camper...
397
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:14,572
And leaves 'em by the door, I carry
'em from the camper to the trucks.
398
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:19,510
I'm very surprised that the vodka
bottle was in there, I had no idea.
399
00:36:19,577 --> 00:36:21,546
I don't know why
she brought it home.
400
00:36:21,612 --> 00:36:25,416
Well, does it give you, does it give you
pause to think that maybe, just maybe...
401
00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:28,219
She was a drinker and
you didn't know it?
402
00:36:28,286 --> 00:36:31,355
I've been with her for 13
years, absolutely not.
403
00:36:31,422 --> 00:36:34,625
Daniel, why appear here,
why keep on doing this?
404
00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:36,561
The truth, the truth
will come out.
405
00:36:36,627 --> 00:36:40,965
But Larry, you have to understand,
Danny doesn't want the other families...
406
00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,068
To think that a drunk driver
killed their families.
407
00:36:44,135 --> 00:36:46,704
That's why we are out
to prove that she...
408
00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:48,639
Try to prove that
she wasn't drunk.
409
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:51,208
I've gotten to a point,
I forgive Diane Schuler.
410
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:55,346
I pray for her, like I pray for my father
and my brother and those children.
411
00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:56,614
Right.
412
00:36:56,681 --> 00:37:00,251
The family that's still
alive, I'm still working on.
413
00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:03,321
Oh, come on, even the
lies about the bottle. Yeah.
414
00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:05,132
"Oh, it's not our bottle, I
don't know where she got it."
415
00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:08,926
"Oh yeah, we kept a bottle up at the
camp, we brought it back and forth."
416
00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:13,564
The stories just kept changing, they
just kept changing, and like I said...
417
00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:18,536
If, if you just come forward and
say I'm sorry she made a mistake...
418
00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:19,971
You could accept that.
419
00:37:20,037 --> 00:37:23,007
Right. But to have to keep
lying and try to cover up, why?
420
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,743
What are you trying to
cover up? What happened?
421
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:30,715
I would say to him, "What, what transpired
between you and your wife?" Right.
422
00:37:30,781 --> 00:37:32,783
That pushed her.
Right, that pushed her.
423
00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:36,687
And then I'd say to him, "You
know, what's with the denial?"
424
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:40,758
"You denying this is enabling
other people to do the same thing."
425
00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:46,130
I mean, the right thing to do is to
admit, you know, my wife was drunk.
426
00:37:46,197 --> 00:37:48,933
Don't let this happen
to your family.
427
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,234
Right.
428
00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:03,114
Here you go.
429
00:38:20,231 --> 00:38:22,233
Doctor.
430
00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,343
Doctor, uh, May 25th.
431
00:38:44,855 --> 00:38:46,991
Someone is gone.
432
00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:50,795
There is a deep, deep wish to
find a way to remember them.
433
00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:57,001
Which, um, in a way is the silver
lining to the loss that people experience.
434
00:39:07,111 --> 00:39:11,716
In forensic psychiatric autopsy,
what we do attempt to piece together...
435
00:39:11,782 --> 00:39:18,055
The state of mind, and who the person
was at the time of the events in question.
436
00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:24,995
People are seeking
to preserve her memory.
437
00:39:25,062 --> 00:39:30,267
At the same time, they want to find out
what actually happened, because it's...
438
00:39:30,334 --> 00:39:32,837
It's such a tragedy
and, and such a mystery...
439
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:37,408
And they, and right now,
they are constricted.
440
00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:42,146
The choices they have is to either
accept her as someone who was bad...
441
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:47,218
Which she cannot, because she wasn't
bad in their relationships with them.
442
00:39:47,284 --> 00:39:49,320
Or to be able...
443
00:39:49,386 --> 00:39:52,323
Or they're focusing
on some medical event...
444
00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:55,593
For which there was no
evidence in the autopsy.
445
00:39:55,659 --> 00:39:58,462
The problem is when
someone is being demonized...
446
00:39:58,529 --> 00:40:04,568
The tendency by the, those who remember that
person is to try to make them into a saint.
447
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:09,740
Do you wanna show the nice
photo album, Daddy made you?
448
00:40:09,807 --> 00:40:11,475
Hey, I got it.
449
00:40:11,542 --> 00:40:13,611
You wanna show her?
Photo album.
450
00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:17,948
My sister.
451
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:22,987
This, Bryan's
first fish he caught.
452
00:40:25,956 --> 00:40:27,358
That...
453
00:40:27,424 --> 00:40:30,494
And they went
pumpkin picking.
454
00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:32,897
Is that Halloween?
455
00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:37,168
You're a good big brother.
456
00:40:37,234 --> 00:40:39,637
Nice and easy.
Scratch.
457
00:40:43,407 --> 00:40:46,677
That was funny with
the glasses, good job.
458
00:40:46,744 --> 00:40:50,581
Try to see it, try to see it.
I'll hold it. Go ahead, look.
459
00:40:51,649 --> 00:40:55,352
You see? Good job,
look at that.
460
00:40:55,419 --> 00:40:58,122
Oh my god, you
look like an alien.
461
00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:00,758
What?
462
00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:04,762
You wanna show the picture
of you and Mommy upstate?
463
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:06,197
Mommy.
464
00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:08,833
And then the one
of Mommy and Daddy.
465
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,908
He was madly in
love with her.
466
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,478
He, and I said he met
the right girl, finally.
467
00:41:21,545 --> 00:41:26,250
She was lovely. She
was so motherly...
468
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:32,022
You know, I mean, I spoil my
son Danny, then she spoiled him.
469
00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:36,026
She calmed him down.
470
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:38,796
She was the boss. Yeah.
She was the boss, yes.
471
00:41:38,863 --> 00:41:44,802
She made all the decisions and
Danny was like her oldest child.
472
00:41:44,869 --> 00:41:48,939
You know, and he,
uh, he loved Diane...
473
00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:55,946
Diane, like I said, made all the
decisions and he was like her oldest boy.
474
00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,015
Yeah.
475
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,887
Diane, she was
a, an amazing woman.
476
00:42:02,953 --> 00:42:07,157
She worked her way up, she
was extremely smart woman.
477
00:42:07,224 --> 00:42:09,727
Had her own office and
she was like a boss.
478
00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:12,162
- She had her own secretary.
- Yep.
479
00:42:12,229 --> 00:42:17,101
They loved her there, she's got
a lot of friends in, uh, Cablevision.
480
00:42:17,167 --> 00:42:19,904
- Lot of friends. Uh-huh.
- She was very capable.
481
00:42:28,979 --> 00:42:34,184
She seemed to be very good at
whatever she attempted, I mean, she was...
482
00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:37,254
Very good at, uh, her job.
483
00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:40,491
She was a take charge
person too, you know...
484
00:42:40,557 --> 00:42:43,594
Something came on and, "Oh,
this person's gonna have a baby."
485
00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:47,731
"Oh, all right, okay, you go out and
get this, and we'll go and do that, and..."
486
00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:52,269
"You get this, and we'll get together
and..." That's just the way she was.
487
00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:56,941
Everything was ironed, and
down to like the littlest thing.
488
00:42:57,007 --> 00:43:00,244
Like, her pants were ironed, her
shirt was ironed, this was ironed, like...
489
00:43:00,311 --> 00:43:03,747
It was like, the kid's clothes were
ironed. I'm like, "When do you do this?"
490
00:43:03,814 --> 00:43:06,216
She made me a book.
491
00:43:06,283 --> 00:43:09,353
With all little pictures
of the children.
492
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,890
When she had to put the kids to
bed, she'd work on it every night.
493
00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:16,527
And then she was starting
another one for me.
494
00:43:16,593 --> 00:43:20,030
The end!
495
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:24,001
I said, "Diane, where
do you get the time?"
496
00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:27,204
Because by the time she would
leave my house and get home.
497
00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:30,908
It was 7:00 in the
evening, or about that...
498
00:43:30,975 --> 00:43:36,313
Then she'd feed them dinner,
then she would bathe them.
499
00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:41,418
Then she would take Bryan and read
his book to him, and then put him into bed.
500
00:43:41,485 --> 00:43:47,057
Then she would cuddle with, pick
up little Erin, and read her a book...
501
00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:50,728
And then carry
her into bed.
502
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:54,365
And then she found time to
work on these little books.
503
00:43:54,431 --> 00:43:58,068
And then Danny would come home
and she'd have a snack with Danny.
504
00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:00,537
But then she's back up
again in the morning.
505
00:44:03,374 --> 00:44:08,012
I really uh, and she'd throw a
load of laundry in the meantime.
506
00:44:08,078 --> 00:44:11,715
A mother, up all night,
or what? You know...
507
00:44:11,782 --> 00:44:15,319
For someone to be so
organized, you know.
508
00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:19,623
She made it look easy.
509
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:22,326
And they worked opposite
schedules, her and Danny...
510
00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:27,531
You know, which, you know, could be stressful.
But she didn't make it seem that way.
511
00:44:29,033 --> 00:44:32,803
Bryan and Erin, my Erin,
started preschool together.
512
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:35,706
And we would see each
other on a daily basis.
513
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:39,710
I was the second parent there
every day, and she was the first.
514
00:44:39,777 --> 00:44:44,515
And she came from Babylon, and I live
right around the block from the preschool.
515
00:44:44,581 --> 00:44:49,353
She was not only on time, the
kids were dressed impeccably.
516
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:53,557
There was never like a stain on their shirt
or toothpaste on the corner of their mouth.
517
00:44:53,624 --> 00:44:56,326
A hair out of place.
Very on top of things.
518
00:44:56,393 --> 00:44:58,929
She chaperoned
for school trips.
519
00:44:58,996 --> 00:45:03,801
She put herself on a list to donate
things for school parties and everything...
520
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:07,905
She did it all! You know, and
she worked full time, so...
521
00:45:09,306 --> 00:45:13,644
So, do you think she was like,
the super mom, that she never had?
522
00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:15,979
I think so, I think
that drove her to be...
523
00:45:16,046 --> 00:45:19,883
You know, it definitely laid the
groundwork for what type of a mother...
524
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:21,819
You know, she was
going to be.
525
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,088
How do you...
526
00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:29,726
As an investigator, explain the toxicology
report with high levels of marijuana...
527
00:45:29,793 --> 00:45:32,429
In Diane's system?
How do you explain that?
528
00:45:32,496 --> 00:45:36,333
I can't explain it. But what I will
tell you, is what we are doing...
529
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,137
Is I want to determine if
those results are correct.
530
00:45:40,204 --> 00:45:46,243
The Schuler family has been trying
to raise the money among the family...
531
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:51,782
To pay for the additional tests that need
to be done to try and clear Diane's name.
532
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:55,586
Daniel Schuler and the Schuler
family felt so convinced...
533
00:45:55,652 --> 00:45:59,923
In, in Diane's reputation
and her background...
534
00:45:59,990 --> 00:46:02,826
Which is substantiated so
far by our investigation...
535
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:05,762
That they went out and they
paid out of their good money.
536
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:08,298
For a private investigation
firm to come in...
537
00:46:08,365 --> 00:46:12,136
And look at this, and
take it where it leads it.
538
00:46:12,202 --> 00:46:16,607
All I know is that when I got, when
this first happened, and we got...
539
00:46:16,673 --> 00:46:19,309
Dominic, and Dominic
just gave us Tom.
540
00:46:19,376 --> 00:46:22,846
I'm like, all right, this guy
is going to save the day.
541
00:46:22,913 --> 00:46:26,216
He's going to save the day, he's
going to find out what happened to her...
542
00:46:26,283 --> 00:46:29,520
He just totally was like,
"You're right, she wasn't drunk."
543
00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:33,657
He's like, "It just doesn't make
sense, everyone who I spoke to."
544
00:46:33,724 --> 00:46:35,492
And then everything
was about...
545
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,639
"All right, well, we gotta get this done,
I'm going, I'm getting the samples."
546
00:46:38,695 --> 00:46:42,900
"I'm getting this, I'm getting that,
and we're going to need more money."
547
00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:47,905
Ten thousand dollars, then
$30,000. We don't have this money!
548
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:52,042
You know, we're taking it from here
borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, and...
549
00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:54,878
Diane was the breadwinner.
But I convinced everyone...
550
00:46:54,945 --> 00:46:58,649
Follow Tom. Tom's gonna
do it. And nothing was done.
551
00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:00,350
Nothing was done.
552
00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:02,486
How do you do
that to people?
553
00:47:02,553 --> 00:47:05,289
Have you spoken to
Tom Ruskin at all? No.
554
00:47:06,723 --> 00:47:08,492
What happened there?
555
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:14,298
Don't know. As soon as we
paid him, he disappeared.
556
00:47:31,515 --> 00:47:34,785
What was Ruskin's job,
what was he hired to do?
557
00:47:34,851 --> 00:47:36,820
Ruskin was hired
to go up there...
558
00:47:36,887 --> 00:47:40,524
And start finding out things
and collect information.
559
00:47:40,591 --> 00:47:44,928
I used him on two prior cases,
and he'd done a very good job.
560
00:47:44,995 --> 00:47:47,497
Um, I don't know
what happened here.
561
00:47:47,564 --> 00:47:50,033
I picked up the
newspapers everyday...
562
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,405
And I was, you know, with
great chagrin, where's he going?
563
00:47:55,472 --> 00:47:58,609
I don't understand, we put
our, we put our point out there.
564
00:47:58,675 --> 00:48:01,211
Now, let's wait and
see what happens.
565
00:48:01,278 --> 00:48:04,448
There was, everyday,
something new in the paper.
566
00:48:04,514 --> 00:48:07,884
I, I just wanted Ruskin
to come under control!
567
00:48:07,951 --> 00:48:09,152
Have you interviewed him yet?
568
00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:12,222
We have been
trying to set that up.
569
00:48:56,967 --> 00:49:01,071
It's just ironic that you can get
these so quickly of helping us...
570
00:49:01,138 --> 00:49:03,974
And we've asked
for these for a year.
571
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,388
Oh that's when she was
on the prenatal vitamins...
572
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:20,924
For when she,
um, was pregnant.
573
00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:24,761
Do you remember having
her trouble sleeping? No.
574
00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:30,200
And she got, um, Hydrocodone,
and, uh, that's the dentist.
575
00:49:30,267 --> 00:49:33,904
She would always do this.
I noticed, always...
576
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:36,173
Rubbing the side?
Yep.
577
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,608
I saw that, and her
friends saw that too.
578
00:49:38,675 --> 00:49:41,144
She had a tooth that
was bothering her.
579
00:49:41,211 --> 00:49:44,081
Okay, so, '04 she had
the cleaning and x-rays...
580
00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:47,184
Yeah, she had it, she
had the root canal.
581
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:51,722
Then they went to go in and do more,
she really would not get that finished.
582
00:49:51,788 --> 00:49:53,924
It was too, she just
hated it right?
583
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:55,692
Yeah, too much pain.
584
00:49:57,461 --> 00:50:00,764
Then an oral exam, no cleaning, so
obviously she was still having pain.
585
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,300
Wait, was that
the last one?
586
00:50:03,367 --> 00:50:06,770
Wait, 7.31.08, that's
a year before.
587
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:10,841
Maybe it's the same tooth that
was bothering her all since '05.
588
00:50:10,907 --> 00:50:13,753
That she never got worked on, and
this is the one that they said she went...
589
00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,914
And then she left. They said that she
left the dental office in the middle of it.
590
00:50:17,981 --> 00:50:22,452
All we wanted was a starting
point of what happened to her.
591
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,890
Because if she stopped for
Advil, or Tylenol, or something...
592
00:50:26,957 --> 00:50:30,093
Something was
bothering her. It was bad.
593
00:50:31,795 --> 00:50:35,832
Yeah, I feel like now I can look
over these things all the time...
594
00:50:35,899 --> 00:50:38,435
But I'm just going to come
to conclusions in my head.
595
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:10,600
At approximately 1:00 p.m.,
596
00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:12,502
Diane called Jackie Hance...
597
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:16,706
And this is the phone call where she
sounded disheveled and disoriented.
598
00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:24,581
He basically stated that
she didn't sound like herself.
599
00:51:24,648 --> 00:51:28,452
And at one point she called him
Danny, which is her husband's name.
600
00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:31,555
And he knew something was wrong,
the kids were crying in the background.
601
00:51:31,621 --> 00:51:35,792
And he told his sister to sit
put, that he'd be right up there.
602
00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:43,533
When there is an incoherent
phone call with her brother...
603
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,736
Her oldest niece is
apparently on the phone...
604
00:51:46,803 --> 00:51:51,708
Uh, to her parents saying, uh, "There's
something wrong with Aunt Diane."
605
00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,344
They're saying, "Aunt
Diane can't see."
606
00:51:54,411 --> 00:51:57,848
"Aunt Diane can't... Something's
wrong with Aunt Diane."
607
00:51:57,914 --> 00:52:01,852
They were pulled
over, at that point...
608
00:52:01,918 --> 00:52:04,321
And Emma told her
dad where they were.
609
00:52:04,387 --> 00:52:08,358
Read me a sign, and
she said "Tarrytown."
610
00:52:08,425 --> 00:52:14,931
Warren races up from where
he is in Long Island...
611
00:52:14,998 --> 00:52:20,871
To the Tappan Zee Bridge,
to try and find Diane.
612
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:39,556
She leaves her phone on the Jersey barrier,
the divider, at the Tappan Zee Bridge.
613
00:52:39,623 --> 00:52:42,792
The phone was located right
after the Tappan Zee Bridge tolls...
614
00:52:42,859 --> 00:52:44,261
On a pull off,
off to the right.
615
00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:47,297
Someone had found her cell
phone sitting on a guide rail.
616
00:52:49,165 --> 00:52:51,535
Her entire route, up
until the Tappan Zee Bridge...
617
00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:55,205
Is consistent of what she
would have normally done.
618
00:52:55,272 --> 00:52:59,609
Then it becomes unclear as to why she
got off the highway and where she went.
619
00:53:13,256 --> 00:53:14,424
Are you all right?
620
00:53:14,491 --> 00:53:18,261
No! Quite frankly.
621
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,669
Well, thanks for
doing this. Mmm-hmm.
622
00:53:27,737 --> 00:53:29,606
Was she
your closest friend?
623
00:53:29,673 --> 00:53:34,244
I would say, yeah. She was.
624
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,349
And we were kinda not very
similar in a lot of ways...
625
00:53:39,416 --> 00:53:43,119
Like, I'm a very easy-going person
and let a lot of things pass, and...
626
00:53:43,186 --> 00:53:46,256
She was... she had to be in
charge of everything, and...
627
00:53:46,323 --> 00:53:51,428
There was nothing left to chance, you know,
everything had to be planned and precise.
628
00:53:51,494 --> 00:53:56,700
She was a powerful woman, she's
very much in charge of everything.
629
00:53:56,766 --> 00:54:00,904
At work, at home, um, in
the car, in the friendship.
630
00:54:00,971 --> 00:54:04,007
If you were with Diane,
you pretty much...
631
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,076
She,
it was her way.
632
00:54:06,142 --> 00:54:08,578
You know, it was pretty much,
if you said, you know, even...
633
00:54:08,645 --> 00:54:10,547
I would program
the GPS in the car...
634
00:54:10,614 --> 00:54:13,950
And I just blindly follow the
GPS, if I put an address in there.
635
00:54:14,017 --> 00:54:16,529
And she'd be like, "No, that's
wrong, you know turn, you know..."
636
00:54:16,553 --> 00:54:19,556
You know, yeah, every step of
the way you know she would...
637
00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:23,226
We, it would be rerouting itself
because she wouldn't, you know...
638
00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:25,929
Allow me to
follow the GPS.
639
00:54:25,996 --> 00:54:28,331
She's certainly not a
perfect person. You know?
640
00:54:28,398 --> 00:54:31,701
If she loved you, she loved you, if she
didn't like you, she could be difficult.
641
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,373
You know, uh, you know
she didn't let anything go...
642
00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:39,909
You know, she, you
know, if somebody...
643
00:54:39,976 --> 00:54:44,481
Was rude, or, you know, she'd call
them out right there, you know, um...
644
00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:48,818
She was okay as long as she
was in control of everything.
645
00:54:48,885 --> 00:54:52,689
Did you guys ever have conversations
about any kind of pain she was having?
646
00:54:52,756 --> 00:54:59,562
Um, you know, I know, I know
she did have issues with um, like...
647
00:54:59,629 --> 00:55:02,065
Especially that last week,
every time I would see her,
648
00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:03,700
she would be
holding her jaw.
649
00:55:03,767 --> 00:55:06,636
Or moving her mouth around,
you know, like moving her lower jaw.
650
00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:10,874
Knowing her, and knowing what
kind of a person she was...
651
00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:15,145
Every day of her life, and how
she conducted herself, um...
652
00:55:15,211 --> 00:55:21,317
As crazy as it sounds, people
grasping for, um, you know, reasons.
653
00:55:21,384 --> 00:55:25,221
Um, it seems more plausible,
to anybody who knows her...
654
00:55:25,288 --> 00:55:27,857
That something medical
could have happened to her.
655
00:55:27,924 --> 00:55:29,626
Did she seem
at all upset that week?
656
00:55:29,693 --> 00:55:33,697
No. Not at all. And Diane was not the
type of person to ever hide her feelings.
657
00:55:33,763 --> 00:55:36,433
If she was upset with you, you
knew she was upset with you.
658
00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:40,203
You know, she wasn't the type
of person that would smile, if...
659
00:55:40,270 --> 00:55:46,376
You know, and just pretend, if something was
wrong, she would have said something was wrong.
660
00:55:46,443 --> 00:55:49,245
Did she talk
about her marriage with you?
661
00:55:49,312 --> 00:55:52,716
Not really about her
marriage, you know...
662
00:55:52,782 --> 00:55:56,686
I know, to me she just
appeared very content.
663
00:55:56,753 --> 00:56:02,625
You know, very, um, happy,
with the way her life was...
664
00:56:04,994 --> 00:56:10,600
You know, never heard her, she
wouldn't discuss her marriage, no.
665
00:56:12,435 --> 00:56:15,071
When was the last
time you had spoken with her?
666
00:56:15,138 --> 00:56:17,240
About ten years.
Ten years. Mmm-hmm.
667
00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:20,243
So, what happened with you guys,
that you didn't speak for all that time?
668
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:22,278
How did that work,
how did that work out?
669
00:56:22,345 --> 00:56:24,814
You know, Danny
just likes to be...
670
00:56:24,881 --> 00:56:28,418
Danny, and they like to do their
own thing, I mean we never...
671
00:56:28,485 --> 00:56:30,429
Never got into a fight,
there was never any argument.
672
00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:33,323
There was never a reason why
we stopped talking, it just stopped.
673
00:56:33,389 --> 00:56:37,193
That's it. There's no, there's
no rhyme or reason why it ended.
674
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:40,029
I was actually the only one
that was invited to the wedding.
675
00:56:40,096 --> 00:56:44,701
And I did not go. By choice,
because that's, Diane and I...
676
00:56:44,768 --> 00:56:49,839
Didn't have as close of a bond
as we had, and it was upsetting.
677
00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:53,710
And I had, I had my
first child already.
678
00:56:53,777 --> 00:56:58,014
And, you know like, Diane wasn't
there for that, which was weird.
679
00:56:58,081 --> 00:56:59,616
So...
680
00:57:03,753 --> 00:57:07,257
Excuse me.
681
00:57:07,323 --> 00:57:11,027
Uh, so I think
for me, like...
682
00:57:11,094 --> 00:57:18,368
I couldn't take part of this part of
her life, without the connection we had.
683
00:57:18,434 --> 00:57:20,770
Yes, so...
684
00:58:18,261 --> 00:58:20,396
I've seen her wear this.
685
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:40,316
So, we can match
the DNA, to my wife.
686
00:58:49,225 --> 00:58:52,762
And if that DNA does match the
sample, what, what will come next?
687
00:58:53,863 --> 00:58:56,599
The medical part. Right.
688
00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:02,906
That's what I'm waiting for,
the medical part of it.
689
00:59:11,614 --> 00:59:14,350
Yeah, so this was '05,
four years before.
690
00:59:14,417 --> 00:59:19,122
Grinding teeth, sensitivity to cold,
loose teeth and broken fillings...
691
00:59:19,188 --> 00:59:22,091
And tooth pain and
jaw difficulty, pain.
692
00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:24,560
Does that say abscess?
693
00:59:24,627 --> 00:59:30,266
I wonder if that was the same tooth
that was bothering her afterwards.
694
00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:34,003
You know what's so funny? She'd never even
tell people she was going to the dentist.
695
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:42,445
No, never. Or that, yeah, she
was fine, "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine."
696
00:59:45,548 --> 00:59:48,718
Diane was a very
private person.
697
00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:50,887
People who knew her...
698
00:59:50,954 --> 00:59:55,291
Said to me, over and over again, that
Diane didn't talk about personal matters.
699
00:59:55,358 --> 01:00:01,097
She never articulated
feelings about, uh, anybody.
700
01:00:02,632 --> 01:00:05,134
Hi, this
is Liz Garbus calling again.
701
01:00:09,405 --> 01:00:10,873
Her mom was like a non-issue.
702
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:17,347
I don't really think she
wanted to interact with her.
703
01:00:17,413 --> 01:00:20,550
She talked about her
dad, she adored her dad.
704
01:00:20,616 --> 01:00:24,921
Do we know why her mom left her,
her house, the house or left the dad?
705
01:00:25,822 --> 01:00:27,190
I did.
706
01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:31,227
So, you don't, you don't
want to talk about her mom?
707
01:00:31,294 --> 01:00:33,763
No. I'm sorry.
708
01:00:35,698 --> 01:00:40,670
I don't even know 100%, the
background of the divorce, I just know...
709
01:00:40,737 --> 01:00:43,940
Everybody, all, they
were all very angry.
710
01:00:44,007 --> 01:00:46,075
The mother left with
the next-door neighbor.
711
01:00:46,142 --> 01:00:47,844
I think it was
like a family friend.
712
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:51,381
But you know, she never
complained about it, she never...
713
01:00:51,447 --> 01:00:56,552
Talked about it, like it was as if
like, almost like she wasn't even there.
714
01:00:56,619 --> 01:00:59,188
One time, I talked
with Diane's mother.
715
01:00:59,255 --> 01:01:02,291
And uh, she said, "I'm
not the bad person."
716
01:01:02,358 --> 01:01:05,795
And... Whatever that meant.
I don't know, so...
717
01:01:05,862 --> 01:01:11,300
I told, I told that to Diane when they came
home and she didn't want no part of it.
718
01:01:11,367 --> 01:01:15,138
Diane's mother reached
out, a time and again.
719
01:01:15,204 --> 01:01:20,009
Trying to reconcile, trying to
develop a relationship with Diane.
720
01:01:20,076 --> 01:01:21,711
And Diane has brothers!
721
01:01:21,778 --> 01:01:26,749
And Diane's mother had a relationship
with her sons, Diane's brothers.
722
01:01:26,816 --> 01:01:29,385
So it was really
uniquely Diane...
723
01:01:29,452 --> 01:01:35,425
Who held some kind of unarticulated
grudge against her mother.
724
01:01:35,491 --> 01:01:39,629
Parents get divorced, but it's very
rare that a nine-year-old-daughter,
725
01:01:39,695 --> 01:01:43,800
would not go for her mother in a
divorce, at that particular point in time.
726
01:01:43,866 --> 01:01:49,806
So, Diane herself need to use some denial to
go ahead and survive the trauma of being...
727
01:01:49,872 --> 01:01:51,941
Abandoned by her mother
at the age of nine.
728
01:01:52,008 --> 01:01:54,644
Of course, it's very painful
for a nine-year-old.
729
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:58,214
And I think she had that
vulnerability about her.
730
01:02:29,612 --> 01:02:31,047
Okay.
731
01:02:42,558 --> 01:02:49,031
Just based on what Ms. Jackie Hance
told me, that this was out of character...
732
01:02:49,098 --> 01:02:53,269
For her sister-in-law not
to answer the phone, um...
733
01:02:53,336 --> 01:02:55,481
And also the fact that one of
the children had mentioned...
734
01:02:55,505 --> 01:02:58,174
That her aunt
wasn't feeling well.
735
01:02:58,241 --> 01:03:03,746
I asked, uh, Mrs. Hance if Diane Schuler
had any history of medical problems.
736
01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:07,950
Um, I think I even asked her, you
know, if she had any history of drug abuse.
737
01:03:08,017 --> 01:03:10,786
And again, these are questions
that I would ask anybody.
738
01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:14,857
And she said, "No." Um, so
at that point I kind of treated it...
739
01:03:14,924 --> 01:03:19,162
As an overdue motorist slash
possible medical emergency.
740
01:03:19,228 --> 01:03:25,535
Um, but at that point, we were just
checking to see if we could locate the van.
741
01:03:27,603 --> 01:03:32,441
There's a number of ways that she
can get to the entrance of the Taconic.
742
01:03:32,508 --> 01:03:36,445
She could have gone up 9A and gone across,
she could have gone up the Taconic, and...
743
01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:40,683
Simply made a U-Turn.
So, how she got to...
744
01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:44,387
That exit ramp,
we don't know.
745
01:04:35,605 --> 01:04:38,975
I got a phone call from my
brother-in-law, Diane's brother.
746
01:04:41,577 --> 01:04:46,182
Then I uh got my keys, and my
brother, and we went upstate.
747
01:04:46,249 --> 01:04:51,120
He asked me if I would take a
ride uh with him back upstate.
748
01:04:51,187 --> 01:04:53,155
Because they couldn't
find, find Diane.
749
01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:55,725
I was at work.
And when I heard...
750
01:04:55,791 --> 01:05:02,632
Jimmy call and say, "Danny's coming over,
he needs me, we're going to find Diane."
751
01:05:02,698 --> 01:05:05,635
At that point we just thought
she wasn't feeling well.
752
01:05:18,381 --> 01:05:20,850
You don't
want to touch that.
753
01:05:24,987 --> 01:05:27,890
This is an area where we set
up our, our alcohol levels...
754
01:05:27,957 --> 01:05:32,094
For whatever sample we're
testing, so it's blood, urine, brain.
755
01:05:32,161 --> 01:05:34,563
Is this where Diane Schuler's
blood alcohol was tested?
756
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:36,432
Yes.
757
01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:38,768
When we talk about the
effect, first, of alcohol...
758
01:05:38,834 --> 01:05:44,206
The frontal lobe of your brain starts to
be affected around 0.01 to 0.10 percent.
759
01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:49,979
Diane Schuler had just over 10
drinks in her, at the time that she died.
760
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,083
Her blood alcohol
was 0.19 percent...
761
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:59,755
And the Vitreous humor
was 0.23 percent...
762
01:05:59,822 --> 01:06:04,994
And the gastric contents were
0.25 percent alcohol levels.
763
01:06:06,495 --> 01:06:08,497
I'm a psychiatrist, uh...
764
01:06:08,564 --> 01:06:15,237
Trained in general psychiatry, and then did
additional training in drugs and alcohol.
765
01:06:15,304 --> 01:06:21,043
Once you start getting over 0.2, then
you start getting into alcohol toxicity.
766
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:26,182
Um, that's the level where people are
showing up, needing to show up in the ER.
767
01:06:26,248 --> 01:06:33,022
Uh, becoming unconscious, having
blackouts, um, and even going into coma.
768
01:06:33,089 --> 01:06:35,491
And with the
marijuana on board...
769
01:06:35,558 --> 01:06:37,827
One and one don't
equal two anymore.
770
01:06:37,893 --> 01:06:42,965
Um, they potentiate each other, so
then she's got the effect of the marijuana.
771
01:06:43,032 --> 01:06:44,967
As well as the effect
of the alcohol.
772
01:06:45,034 --> 01:06:49,138
Alcohol may increase the
absorption of the marijuana.
773
01:06:49,205 --> 01:06:55,044
So, that people who drink first
may experience, uh, stronger effects.
774
01:06:55,111 --> 01:07:00,449
So, if she wasn't accustomed to
drinking and uh, smoking at the same time.
775
01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:04,086
The marijuana affected her so
much more than she had anticipated.
776
01:07:04,153 --> 01:07:09,091
And marijuana being a
hallucinogen, your cognitive function...
777
01:07:09,158 --> 01:07:13,462
Can get, can
deteriorate pretty rapidly.
778
01:07:13,529 --> 01:07:17,700
The THC, which is the
active ingredient in marijuana...
779
01:07:17,767 --> 01:07:21,337
Her level was 113 ng/mL.
It was very high.
780
01:07:21,404 --> 01:07:24,273
So, we were able to tell
based on research that...
781
01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:27,376
She could've smoked anywhere
from 15 minutes to an hour...
782
01:07:27,443 --> 01:07:30,079
Before she, uh
had this accident.
783
01:07:30,146 --> 01:07:34,283
Marijuana is our number one drug
of choice after alcohol, or with alcohol.
784
01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:39,255
Um, it's in fact, it's outpacing alcohol,
as being found in drunk drivers...
785
01:07:39,321 --> 01:07:41,457
Throughout the
nation, not just here.
786
01:07:41,524 --> 01:07:43,835
One thing that they mention
in these things, about the pot.
787
01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:46,438
I mean, what do you make about
that? Yeah, that's not true at all.
788
01:07:46,462 --> 01:07:48,130
Not true at all.
789
01:07:48,197 --> 01:07:52,968
On a rare occasion she would, but
definitely not that weekend. Absolutely not.
790
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:56,272
Was it something
she used to relax...
791
01:07:56,338 --> 01:07:59,284
Was it something she used for stress,
was it something she used for fun, or?
792
01:07:59,308 --> 01:08:03,345
On an occasion, on
an occasion to relax.
793
01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:07,883
That's all not true, everything
you hear there is not true.
794
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:10,986
When did she use marijuana? Did she
use it when she was at work? Did she...
795
01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:16,258
No, no, it was I think mostly to
be able to get a good night's sleep.
796
01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,027
I think it was after
everything was done...
797
01:08:18,093 --> 01:08:21,030
Clothes were ironed, laundry's
done, kids are in bed, books are read.
798
01:08:21,096 --> 01:08:24,867
Everything was done, and maybe
she'd have some before she went to sleep.
799
01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:26,974
It wasn't like you would
ever think she, you know...
800
01:08:27,036 --> 01:08:32,775
You'd never look at her and think
she smoked pot. But some people do.
801
01:08:32,842 --> 01:08:36,045
Did she ever discuss it with you,
like why she took it, or what was the...
802
01:08:36,111 --> 01:08:38,581
No, I just knew
that she smoked.
803
01:08:41,417 --> 01:08:45,187
The question is why did she need
to use marijuana to help her relax...
804
01:08:45,254 --> 01:08:48,624
To help her go to sleep.
What was so painful for her?
805
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,661
There was something in her
life which was uncontrollable.
806
01:08:52,728 --> 01:08:55,731
Basically from
the age of nine on.
807
01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:58,434
If they cannot control what
happened at the time it happened...
808
01:08:58,501 --> 01:09:03,639
They themselves become hyper
responsible, tightly wound...
809
01:09:03,706 --> 01:09:07,576
And she was okay as long
as she was in control.
810
01:09:07,643 --> 01:09:12,681
Having the history of an early loss
or trauma definitely predisposes one...
811
01:09:12,748 --> 01:09:16,886
Toward, you know, both mood
disorders and addictive disorders.
812
01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:21,790
So, statistically,
she's at risk.
813
01:09:34,937 --> 01:09:38,107
The witnesses I
interviewed, um...
814
01:09:38,173 --> 01:09:42,978
Had encountered Diane Schuler's
vehicle just prior to the accident.
815
01:09:43,045 --> 01:09:46,048
They were getting off the
Pleasantville Road exit...
816
01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:49,618
And they observed her coming
at them the wrong way...
817
01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:52,154
Coming down the exit
ramp, at Taconic.
818
01:10:01,297 --> 01:10:04,133
It was literally as if we
weren't even on the road. Yeah.
819
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:07,937
She's coming towards us, you
know, I mean, I'm blinking my lights...
820
01:10:08,003 --> 01:10:10,506
And beeping the horn
and she's flailing...
821
01:10:10,573 --> 01:10:15,411
And we drove up on the grass because
otherwise we would have been hit!
822
01:10:15,477 --> 01:10:18,814
She never put on a
brake, she never... No.
823
01:10:18,881 --> 01:10:20,749
Even, her eyes
didn't even move!
824
01:10:20,816 --> 01:10:25,054
It was just, I'm going where I wanna
go, I'm doing what I need to do...
825
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,656
I'm, I'm where I
wanna be. Right.
826
01:10:27,723 --> 01:10:32,328
And then she went around the
bend, onto the highway itself.
827
01:10:32,394 --> 01:10:35,431
We know that Diane
Schuler enters the...
828
01:10:35,497 --> 01:10:38,367
Taconic State Parkway going
south in the northbound lane.
829
01:10:38,434 --> 01:10:42,371
Approximately 1.7 miles
north of the point of impact.
830
01:10:42,438 --> 01:10:50,212
She drives this 1.7 miles at a high rate of
speed, and you have a dozen callers to 911.
831
01:11:09,164 --> 01:11:12,101
It was very surreal, seeing it coming
at you, so what you had to do is...
832
01:11:12,167 --> 01:11:13,945
You know, thank god there
was nobody on the side...
833
01:11:13,969 --> 01:11:15,771
I was able to go over
a couple of lanes.
834
01:11:15,838 --> 01:11:17,840
As the van came
by me, and...
835
01:11:17,906 --> 01:11:21,744
I said at the time, 70 miles an hour,
because it was speeding right by.
836
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:23,946
Dead pin straight,
like pin straight.
837
01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:26,882
It wasn't doing this, it
was dead pin straight.
838
01:11:26,949 --> 01:11:29,952
Right after it happened,
that's when I called 911.
839
01:11:52,541 --> 01:11:54,843
You know, I, I just
remember saying...
840
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:59,381
"Oh my God, oh my God!" I
was just, you know, trying to...
841
01:11:59,448 --> 01:12:02,985
You know, draw attention
to get validation from...
842
01:12:03,052 --> 01:12:06,689
Rich, that maybe something
peculiar was there on the road.
843
01:12:06,755 --> 01:12:10,025
My heart was going about,
200 you know beats a minute.
844
01:12:10,092 --> 01:12:15,964
And uh you know just to react quickly get out
of the way, and then the car went past us.
845
01:12:16,031 --> 01:12:19,668
It's like playing chicken, I mean,
she was going straight on the road.
846
01:12:19,735 --> 01:12:23,472
We saw something coming at
us, we reacted, we moved.
847
01:12:23,539 --> 01:12:25,474
She had no
reaction at all!
848
01:12:25,541 --> 01:12:28,744
She didn't stop, she didn't
slow down, she didn't move.
849
01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:33,582
I thought it was someone who
was dead set on killing themselves.
850
01:12:35,584 --> 01:12:37,352
Good afternoon.
Hi, Dr Spitz.
851
01:12:37,419 --> 01:12:40,856
I don't know if I can get up
here, because I'm all wired. Yeah.
852
01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:42,200
It's very nice to meet you.
How are you?
853
01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:44,104
Thank you for making
the trip. Nice to meet you.
854
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,128
We appreciate it.
855
01:12:59,274 --> 01:13:02,177
Eh, okay.
856
01:13:03,345 --> 01:13:08,283
The, uh, autopsy
report includes, uh...
857
01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:14,156
Chemical analysis, toxicology,
and I viewed some, uh...
858
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:20,395
Witness statements and
police statements...
859
01:13:20,462 --> 01:13:27,236
And, uh, I gained the impression
that the autopsy was done properly.
860
01:13:27,302 --> 01:13:32,107
And was done... well.
861
01:13:35,978 --> 01:13:43,352
So, is there anything that would, based
on the autopsy, account for this crash?
862
01:13:43,418 --> 01:13:46,054
Alcohol and
marijuana, if you will.
863
01:13:47,723 --> 01:13:52,961
We obviously don't know much
about this, but she would not do this.
864
01:13:53,028 --> 01:13:55,264
There's something
wrong with this picture.
865
01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:57,900
And, I don't want her
being a poster child...
866
01:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,902
For drunk moms, because
she would never do that.
867
01:13:59,968 --> 01:14:03,105
You tell me my sister does
it, my sister who passed away.
868
01:14:03,172 --> 01:14:07,109
I tell you, "Yes, she
probably was drinking, 100%."
869
01:14:07,176 --> 01:14:11,480
But, this just wasn't
Diane. This wasn't his wife.
870
01:14:11,547 --> 01:14:15,617
She'd be the very one that would
like, yell at us, or kick our butt.
871
01:14:15,684 --> 01:14:17,619
What are
we going to do?
872
01:14:17,686 --> 01:14:19,688
I just feel, which...
873
01:14:19,755 --> 01:14:24,793
You know, which is me being my strong
opinion, as soon as they saw alcohol...
874
01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:26,061
It was all stopped.
875
01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:28,630
Okay, she was drunk, she
was high, that's it.
876
01:14:28,697 --> 01:14:31,600
Categorize that, drunk mom
driving with five kids in the car.
877
01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:33,202
What about the abscess tooth?
878
01:14:33,268 --> 01:14:36,371
The which?
Abscess tooth.
879
01:14:36,438 --> 01:14:37,906
An abscess tooth.
880
01:14:37,973 --> 01:14:39,541
Could that
cause a stroke?
881
01:14:39,608 --> 01:14:41,085
It doesn't necess...
Could that cause a stroke?
882
01:14:41,109 --> 01:14:43,278
- Yeah.
- In theory, yes.
883
01:14:43,345 --> 01:14:48,517
But based on the autopsy, there
is none that I saw on microscopy.
884
01:14:48,584 --> 01:14:53,422
A stroke is something like this. And
it doesn't cause alcohol problems.
885
01:14:53,488 --> 01:14:56,491
But, could that
reading be a mistake...
886
01:14:56,558 --> 01:14:59,394
Due to other medical conditions
that people don't know that she had?
887
01:14:59,461 --> 01:15:04,233
It could, but the question of
the alcohol will always prevail.
888
01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:10,539
So, say we exhume the body, and
there's a really bad abscess tooth.
889
01:15:11,607 --> 01:15:13,475
We have X-rays,
from years ago.
890
01:15:13,542 --> 01:15:15,878
But the question
will still prevail...
891
01:15:15,944 --> 01:15:18,547
How could it have caused
alcohol in the picture? Maybe...
892
01:15:18,614 --> 01:15:22,985
Maybe she had a stroke and by mistake
she thought that was water, and drank it?
893
01:15:23,986 --> 01:15:26,121
We don't, if
someone tells us...
894
01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:28,299
We wanna know what
physically happened to her, that...
895
01:15:28,323 --> 01:15:31,727
If she did have alcohol
in her, did she stop, and...
896
01:15:31,793 --> 01:15:35,597
Be incoherent, and do something
medically happened to her, that...
897
01:15:35,664 --> 01:15:37,699
We're even
willing to bet...
898
01:15:37,766 --> 01:15:39,968
To say that, but
there's no way...
899
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:43,639
If she was in a right state of mind,
that she would go and take that bottle.
900
01:15:43,705 --> 01:15:45,617
So, now if you tell me
she was having a stroke...
901
01:15:45,641 --> 01:15:49,511
Or she was hallucinating, or she was
this, or she was that, due to an abscess...
902
01:15:49,578 --> 01:15:51,146
We're going to have
to live with that.
903
01:15:51,213 --> 01:15:55,751
If she did have an abscess,
she could have had such pain...
904
01:15:55,817 --> 01:16:00,956
She takes whatever's
available, to alleviate the pain.
905
01:16:01,023 --> 01:16:02,591
Thinking, no, I
don't think so.
906
01:16:02,658 --> 01:16:04,068
I think... She wouldn't
do it to ease pain.
907
01:16:04,092 --> 01:16:06,212
She'd either have to be not
thinking it's water, or...
908
01:16:06,261 --> 01:16:08,864
Well, she's not thinking clearly
because she has a tooth abscess.
909
01:16:08,931 --> 01:16:10,933
Right. That's what
I'm thinking. Right.
910
01:16:10,999 --> 01:16:18,206
Okay. So, if she had a tooth abscess,
what you could do is say to yourself...
911
01:16:18,273 --> 01:16:24,046
She had severe pain, and she
had to alleviate that pain, now.
912
01:16:24,112 --> 01:16:26,381
Not in an hour, now.
913
01:16:26,448 --> 01:16:28,350
So, she drank 1.9?
914
01:16:28,417 --> 01:16:30,585
- In 45 minutes?
- Well, you know...
915
01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:33,088
That's for someone who
drank once a month maybe?
916
01:16:33,155 --> 01:16:36,892
Look, it really doesn't make
sense my trying to convince you.
917
01:16:36,959 --> 01:16:41,163
You have to have
your satisfaction.
918
01:16:41,229 --> 01:16:44,266
Your satisfaction is
only if you're gon...
919
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:48,136
Is only going to be achieved if
you send it to another laboratory.
920
01:16:48,203 --> 01:16:49,371
To redo it.
921
01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:51,006
So, that would
be the next step.
922
01:16:51,073 --> 01:16:53,475
That's the only
way I know what to tell you.
923
01:16:53,542 --> 01:16:56,445
And then also with,
and then with exhuming.
924
01:16:56,511 --> 01:16:58,981
That's the way
to go, right? Yep.
925
01:17:00,649 --> 01:17:04,820
It's very frustrating. People
have promised us the world.
926
01:17:04,886 --> 01:17:06,931
That they were going to find
out, get to the bottom of it.
927
01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:10,058
Retest everything, do this and do
that, and nobody has done anything...
928
01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:11,360
It's a year and
three months.
929
01:17:11,426 --> 01:17:13,128
You mean, when
you say people, you mean...
930
01:17:13,195 --> 01:17:15,073
Our investigator was supposed
to get the samples...
931
01:17:15,097 --> 01:17:16,865
And send them to another
lab to check DNA.
932
01:17:16,932 --> 01:17:18,300
And he didn't do it? Not...
933
01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,268
We don't know.
934
01:17:20,335 --> 01:17:22,738
That's what we've
been asking for.
935
01:17:24,072 --> 01:17:25,707
Right?
Yup.
936
01:17:25,774 --> 01:17:31,313
And we do appreciate you
looking at everything, and doing this.
937
01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:34,616
Thank you so much.
938
01:17:34,683 --> 01:17:37,052
Yeah,
you're welcome.
939
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:42,290
I, uh, I sincerely hope that
you find peace with this.
940
01:17:47,462 --> 01:17:52,901
Five o'clock. I need,
like, 100 cigarettes.
941
01:18:04,112 --> 01:18:05,313
So...
942
01:18:09,785 --> 01:18:12,087
Why are you looking
at me like that?
943
01:18:15,690 --> 01:18:17,259
You don't feel encouraged?
944
01:18:18,693 --> 01:18:21,096
Did you?
945
01:18:21,163 --> 01:18:23,932
I feel encouraged enough that
he's willing to protest it.
946
01:19:02,304 --> 01:19:07,409
Yeah, I was a little surprised
of how, they're very, um...
947
01:19:07,476 --> 01:19:11,346
A little surprised that he
doesn't think there was an error.
948
01:19:11,413 --> 01:19:13,815
Hopefully, we'll be
pleasantly surprised.
949
01:19:16,518 --> 01:19:20,889
No one, like, in my family
knows I smoke, so this is gonna...
950
01:19:20,956 --> 01:19:23,191
This is gonna be funny.
951
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:40,008
Maria speaking.
952
01:19:40,075 --> 01:19:41,443
- I need Therese, please.
- Sure.
953
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:43,111
Thank you.
954
01:19:45,213 --> 01:19:47,249
Therese, come in, please.
955
01:19:47,315 --> 01:19:51,853
I had a conversation with the
lab, and they indicated to me...
956
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,657
That, um, Tom Ruskin had
sent them the samples...
957
01:19:55,724 --> 01:19:58,026
And that they had given
Tom Ruskin results...
958
01:19:58,093 --> 01:19:59,971
But they couldn't give me
any further information...
959
01:19:59,995 --> 01:20:01,863
Because that all
belonged to Tom Ruskin...
960
01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:04,442
And we would have to go through
Tom Ruskin to get that information.
961
01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:06,601
And did we
call to get the results?
962
01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:08,603
They won't give it, to who?
To Tom Ruskin? Yeah.
963
01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,306
We did, that's when we started
to place all those phone calls.
964
01:20:11,373 --> 01:20:12,607
He didn't respond to us.
965
01:20:12,674 --> 01:20:15,477
Did he ever send me any
samples, letters, anything?
966
01:20:15,544 --> 01:20:19,047
No. We never heard from
him about any of that.
967
01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:22,484
The biggest problem I have in this case
is what happened with the investigator.
968
01:20:22,551 --> 01:20:24,819
And that's something
I have to live with.
969
01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:37,098
So, Danny couldn't call the lab,
even though he retained Tom?
970
01:20:37,165 --> 01:20:40,302
That seems crazy,
but it seems to be the case.
971
01:20:45,473 --> 01:20:48,143
Hi, I can't pick up
your call right now...
972
01:20:48,210 --> 01:20:52,347
So, please at the tone, leave a message
and I'll call you back as quickly as I can.
973
01:20:54,249 --> 01:20:59,521
Hi Tom, it's Jay Schuler,
um, long time no talk.
974
01:20:59,588 --> 01:21:01,990
I really, really, really
need to talk to you.
975
01:21:02,057 --> 01:21:04,993
And I really need you to
call me back. Thanks, bye.
976
01:21:11,866 --> 01:21:13,602
There's just so much
pushing I can do.
977
01:21:13,668 --> 01:21:18,106
Between taking care of my son, and
working, there's just so much I can do.
978
01:21:18,173 --> 01:21:23,311
It's... you know, it's
getting old fast. Right.
979
01:21:25,146 --> 01:21:26,681
What's getting old?
980
01:21:26,748 --> 01:21:31,620
Everything. Next interview's
gonna be in Alaska somewhere...
981
01:21:31,686 --> 01:21:34,089
So, we can hop on a plane.
I'm kidding, but...
982
01:21:34,155 --> 01:21:36,658
It just you know,
there's so much I can do.
983
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,763
He has different views, and,
it's black and white with him.
984
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:46,034
Very black and white, and he has completely
different views about things, and...
985
01:21:46,101 --> 01:21:48,737
You know, he's,
I don't get it...
986
01:21:48,803 --> 01:21:51,106
I know it sounds stupid
but he's off all day.
987
01:21:51,172 --> 01:21:55,010
You know, you're off all day, you don't
even, no offense, you don't even see Bryan.
988
01:21:55,076 --> 01:21:57,521
You bring him to school, you see
him for five minutes and you go.
989
01:21:57,545 --> 01:22:01,416
I'm working 14 hours, and then I'm going over
there and I'm doing things. Like, I don't...
990
01:22:01,483 --> 01:22:03,995
Understand what you're doing to
me. Like, why are you getting crazy?
991
01:22:04,019 --> 01:22:07,088
You're off all day.
It's driving me insane.
992
01:22:07,155 --> 01:22:09,667
So, I told him, if this is how it
starts, you're going to go back...
993
01:22:09,691 --> 01:22:11,168
You're gonna start
working during the day...
994
01:22:11,192 --> 01:22:13,104
And, you're gonna find out what
a real working parent feels like.
995
01:22:13,128 --> 01:22:15,063
I said, because you
have it made right now...
996
01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:19,234
And he's driving, and everyone is like,
waiting to put their foot down about him.
997
01:22:31,646 --> 01:22:33,915
Like, he doesn't realize
how he comes off sometimes.
998
01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:36,193
Like, he'll be like, Bryan will be
looking at something, he's like...
999
01:22:36,217 --> 01:22:37,919
"Pick, clean it up,
come on, let's go."
1000
01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:42,090
And Bryan, he's looking at
a picture of Mommy and Erin.
1001
01:22:42,157 --> 01:22:44,326
And he's, and he's like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep...
1002
01:22:44,392 --> 01:22:46,404
"Yeah, you're right, I miss
them too, blah, blah, blah."
1003
01:22:46,428 --> 01:22:48,296
And, I said, "You don't
notice how you sound."
1004
01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:50,323
You don't sound like, "Oh,
that's all right Bry...
1005
01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:52,067
"I know you miss them,
blah, blah, blah."
1006
01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:54,412
He's like, "What do you mean?
That's not going to bring them back."
1007
01:22:54,436 --> 01:22:56,796
"He has to know, this is life,
this is the way life is now."
1008
01:22:56,838 --> 01:22:59,874
I'm like, okay,
but he can cry...
1009
01:22:59,941 --> 01:23:03,812
You can cry, we can all cry.
"What is that gonna do?"
1010
01:23:03,878 --> 01:23:05,947
Well, let him be sad.
1011
01:23:10,752 --> 01:23:13,855
But the only positive thing is
that we got Bryan in therapy.
1012
01:23:13,922 --> 01:23:18,259
Because, uh, Bryan was having a
very bad meltdown the last month.
1013
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,096
Extremely bad,
about Mommy.
1014
01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:22,964
And he doesn't want
to hear it, Danny.
1015
01:23:23,031 --> 01:23:26,568
But, I spoke to the pediatrician,
and the pediatrician told him.
1016
01:23:26,634 --> 01:23:28,136
"You have to get
him enrolled."
1017
01:23:28,203 --> 01:23:30,638
So, we have an appointment
tomorrow at 10:30 a.m.
1018
01:23:40,348 --> 01:23:42,259
And I told him he has to work
on forgiveness about Diane...
1019
01:23:42,283 --> 01:23:45,920
Because, he does not forgive her
at all right now, for what's happened.
1020
01:23:45,987 --> 01:23:48,356
And the reason why he doesn't
forgive her is, he said...
1021
01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:50,825
"I never wanted to have kids."
1022
01:23:50,892 --> 01:23:53,628
And this is where
I'm left right now.
1023
01:23:53,695 --> 01:23:57,499
And she was supposed
to do all this.
1024
01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:00,268
I said, okay, well, it's
all right to be pissed at her.
1025
01:24:00,335 --> 01:24:03,138
You know everyone's pissed
at her, I said, that's okay.
1026
01:24:03,204 --> 01:24:05,149
I said, but you're going
to have to work through it.
1027
01:24:05,173 --> 01:24:09,144
And he's like, "What's there to work
through? This is my life. This is it."
1028
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:33,334
There will never be a concrete
answer with absolute certainty...
1029
01:24:33,401 --> 01:24:37,472
Which can be given,
as to what happened.
1030
01:24:37,539 --> 01:24:41,242
But there are several, you
know, plausible hypotheses.
1031
01:24:44,679 --> 01:24:47,048
Is it possible that
the day in question...
1032
01:24:47,115 --> 01:24:51,719
She was in so much pain she
wanted an analgesics, gel capsules.
1033
01:24:51,786 --> 01:24:53,621
When that wasn't
available...
1034
01:24:53,688 --> 01:24:56,391
Could she have just
anesthetized her physical pain, by...
1035
01:24:56,458 --> 01:24:59,828
Maybe just taking one drink
so she could relax enough...
1036
01:24:59,894 --> 01:25:03,731
To drive, and then she
lost control, and she...
1037
01:25:03,798 --> 01:25:06,768
Lost perspective as to how
much she was drinking?
1038
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:11,873
That kind of slippery
slope does occur...
1039
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,476
In people who have a
deep pain sensitivity...
1040
01:25:14,542 --> 01:25:18,279
Who cannot stand feeling helpless
and who feel they need to be perfect.
1041
01:25:18,346 --> 01:25:21,516
And she has had reasons
in her life for all three.
1042
01:25:24,686 --> 01:25:31,993
Did she consume an initial small
amount in her right mind, not impaired?
1043
01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:34,104
Did she think, because the
kids were there, did she...
1044
01:25:34,128 --> 01:25:37,065
Think that she had to
get in a lot quickly?
1045
01:25:37,131 --> 01:25:40,568
And misjudged, um...
1046
01:25:40,635 --> 01:25:43,605
And, in fact, shot her blood
alcohol concentration up...
1047
01:25:43,671 --> 01:25:46,074
Much higher than she
thought it would?
1048
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,376
And then, something
happened...
1049
01:25:48,443 --> 01:25:51,246
That she then consumed
in a way that was...
1050
01:25:51,312 --> 01:25:54,449
Very dangerous and
very unlike her.
1051
01:25:54,516 --> 01:25:58,119
You know, there was
something beyond intoxication.
1052
01:25:58,186 --> 01:26:01,189
Did she have a florid
infection going on?
1053
01:26:01,256 --> 01:26:02,757
Did she have a fever?
1054
01:26:02,824 --> 01:26:09,597
That, combined with the,
um, marijuana and alcohol...
1055
01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,668
Could certainly, uh,
precipitate a delirium.
1056
01:26:20,308 --> 01:26:24,812
A brain event got triggered, where
she was, beyond poor judgment.
1057
01:26:24,879 --> 01:26:26,347
That she was not
in her right mind.
1058
01:26:26,414 --> 01:26:29,183
That we don't know what she
was thinking, hearing, or feeling.
1059
01:26:37,725 --> 01:26:40,695
Hi, Tom, I do appreciate
you calling me back.
1060
01:26:40,762 --> 01:26:42,463
I'll
always call you back.
1061
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:46,267
Yeah, no, I was, um, I'm just, you
know what Tom... I'm just so, like...
1062
01:26:46,334 --> 01:26:49,571
I'm just so upset, because I
don't know what happened.
1063
01:26:49,637 --> 01:26:51,205
With what?
1064
01:26:51,272 --> 01:26:54,776
All I know, is that when I spoke
to Therese, that she said that...
1065
01:26:54,842 --> 01:26:57,211
We needed you to
get an approval...
1066
01:26:57,278 --> 01:26:59,914
To say that they can
release some things.
1067
01:26:59,981 --> 01:27:02,183
Let's, let's put it
this way, all right?
1068
01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:06,654
As I promised Danny, we were
tested at the beginning of last year.
1069
01:27:06,721 --> 01:27:09,023
And I devoted my time...
1070
01:27:09,090 --> 01:27:11,859
Because there was
no additional moneys...
1071
01:27:11,926 --> 01:27:15,229
But I sent the
results to them.
1072
01:27:15,296 --> 01:27:16,564
To Dominic?
1073
01:27:16,631 --> 01:27:19,467
I never even heard back.
1074
01:27:19,534 --> 01:27:22,103
And I called Danny, you...
1075
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:25,940
Well, I was told not to pick
up, because at this point...
1076
01:27:26,007 --> 01:27:29,377
They didn't feel that, they didn't
believe that you were doing anything.
1077
01:27:29,444 --> 01:27:33,247
So, whenever that was, I was trying
to give you the results of the test.
1078
01:27:36,451 --> 01:27:37,986
I don't know what
to do anymore.
1079
01:27:38,052 --> 01:27:44,258
Well, we retested the samples,
and it came back the same.
1080
01:27:44,325 --> 01:27:47,996
The toxicology in the
autopsy was correct.
1081
01:27:48,062 --> 01:27:50,565
But, can't you see like
how confused I am now?
1082
01:27:52,233 --> 01:27:57,705
We'll never know if Diane
purposely did this. We'll never know.
1083
01:27:57,772 --> 01:28:01,075
Tom, you know, I'm just like
spinning around in circles.
1084
01:28:01,142 --> 01:28:04,045
And I can understand.
1085
01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:05,947
I got one person
saying one thing...
1086
01:28:06,014 --> 01:28:07,982
I got another person
saying another thing.
1087
01:28:08,049 --> 01:28:10,652
And then I do believe that
Diane wasn't drinking...
1088
01:28:10,718 --> 01:28:14,689
And all I wanna do is prove that if she, if
there was alcohol, what happened to her?
1089
01:28:14,756 --> 01:28:18,026
All I can tell you is all
tests are consistent...
1090
01:28:18,092 --> 01:28:21,396
If Diane had drank and
been high that day.
1091
01:28:21,462 --> 01:28:23,707
It's just like overwhelming...
So, you just, you tell me...
1092
01:28:23,731 --> 01:28:25,700
You tell me. Listen...
1093
01:28:25,767 --> 01:28:29,437
I've always been straight with you. If,
you believe me or not, I can't help that.
1094
01:28:29,504 --> 01:28:32,106
Tom, that's the whole thing,
I've always believed you.
1095
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:36,978
Well, I will tell you one thing
further, the DNA was hers.
1096
01:28:39,414 --> 01:28:42,383
So, what am I supposed
to do now, Tom?
1097
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:46,154
You tell me. I mean, I'm
I'm returning your call.
1098
01:28:47,555 --> 01:28:49,390
I don't know.
1099
01:29:59,193 --> 01:30:06,167
Diane Schuler drives against
traffic for 1.7 miles in the fast lane.
1100
01:30:06,234 --> 01:30:09,203
Never veers, um...
1101
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:13,541
Seems to have a serene, almost
oblivious look on her face...
1102
01:30:15,009 --> 01:30:17,378
And kills eight people.
1103
01:30:17,445 --> 01:30:21,783
The worst accident
in recent memory.
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Diane Schuler
hits the Bastardi vehicle.
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The Bastardi vehicle then
crashes into vehicle number 3.
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And the Schuler vehicle goes off
the road, down the hill, rotating...
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And eventually
begins to burn.
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A lady was screaming in
Spanish, there was kids in the car.
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So, I went down the hill
with this other fellow...
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And we were trying
to get the door open...
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The door wouldn't open we
couldn't get the sliding door.
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01:30:51,612 --> 01:30:53,657
We were looking for the
driver, we couldn't find her.
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01:30:53,681 --> 01:30:56,417
The car was fully
engulfed in the front.
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We were the
first ones there.
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And we just kind of circled
the car, checking the doors.
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He checked the other
side, I checked...
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The driver's side, it
was locked. I went around.
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01:31:23,244 --> 01:31:29,851
And then, um, ended up breaking the
passenger side window to unlock the door.
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01:31:31,919 --> 01:31:33,588
We finally got the
door open, that...
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Guy that I was with he
could open the door...
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01:31:36,023 --> 01:31:38,392
And her body fell
on top of our legs.
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When she fell out, she, like, rolled into
the two of us that were standing there.
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We literally had to step over
her to reach in for the kids.
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01:32:05,553 --> 01:32:09,223
And then we were just concentrating
on getting the kids out of the burning car.
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01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:12,827
They were piled on
top of each other.
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01:32:12,894 --> 01:32:15,029
One of the fellows
handed me the girl.
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I laid her down on the grass, put my head
on her chest to hear her, I talked to her...
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I prayed to
Jesus to help her wake up.
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Please
make her wake up.
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She wouldn't wake up.
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01:32:43,391 --> 01:32:48,296
At 1:30 p.m., I got a phone call
from the traffic management center.
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01:32:48,362 --> 01:32:50,398
The traffic was
completely stopped.
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01:32:50,464 --> 01:32:52,643
I had to drive on the shoulder
of the road to get there.
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Damn, son...
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01:32:57,605 --> 01:32:59,740
When I got to the
scene I saw, uh...
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A minivan which was burned
in the median down a hill.
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I also saw two SUVs, northbound,
on the, uh, Taconic State Parkway.
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Uh, these vehicles had
extensive damage to them.
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Some of the people in the cars got
involved and actively tried to help.
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Some were on the phone
with 9-11, and um...
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Some were just screaming.
The scene was very chaotic.
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I uh, proceeded...
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To look for any other signs of
life, from the other victims, and...
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I immediately noticed
uh, a little boy.
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Bryan was hurt, he
was hurt pretty badly.
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Um, he was combative, he was
crying, which is a good sign.
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01:33:56,664 --> 01:34:01,168
And um, that's why I um, immediately
put him in the first ambulance.
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01:34:03,437 --> 01:34:06,907
I didn't even know he was there,
but he was underneath everybody.
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Thank God he was underneath.
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Then I went to the top of the
hill and I lost it, started crying.
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And I tried to go help the other
fellows that were in the car crash.
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And they were dead, I felt all
their pulses, they were dead.
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They were hanging... One
fellow was hanging out of the car...
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There were some people who did attempt to
take pictures of the victims, which um...
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We wouldn't allow. We put
sheets up to preserve their dignity.
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It was the only thing we could
have done at that point.
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There was no
one more to help.
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Jackie sent this card to Evan.
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It says, "Hi Evan.
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"I miss seeing you, Bryan,
and your mom, and whole family.
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"Warren and I are broken, but you
need to go and have a happy life.
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"By doing this, you will show
Bryan that he can do the same.
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"My life ended July 26th, 2009, for whatever
reason my purpose for living was taken.
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"When you have children one
day, you will understand..."
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"You live and breathe
for your kids.
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"Warren is having a hard time, all
the women in his life have left him.
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"And he won't let
me out of his sight.
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"I pray our pain ends soon,
and I can see my girls.
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"Give Bryan a hug and kiss.
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"And know that you are a great
person with a lot to give. Love, Jackie."
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Whatever happened
in this tragedy...
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There was no evidence that
Diane Schuler was a bad person.
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What evidence we have is that
she was a very good mom...
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And a very good
person generally.
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Maybe a bit too good, a
bit of a perfectionist.
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I don't see any evidence that
was she did was intentional.
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Given the fact that she was generally
someone with very high standards for herself.
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For someone very
socially connected...
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She had good
protective factors.
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Uh, so even if she found
out some horrible news...
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Uh, I don't see it likely that she would
kill herself. Especially not in the manner,
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that this tragedy occurred.
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It's hard to imagine,
isn't it? That...
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Simple coincidences can
be a major tipping point.
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Uh, and can result in
a major catastrophe.
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It's not something that we are built
as human beings to be able to live with.
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Don't worry, Diane.
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Goodbye Diane, I promised
you, I'd take care of Bryan.
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