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I live for watching those. 9 00:03:29,242 --> 00:03:31,578 And even before this, that's all I would watch. 10 00:03:31,644 --> 00:03:36,182 And it's just ironic to me that I feel like I'm on one of them. 11 00:03:36,249 --> 00:03:38,017 I feel like... 12 00:03:38,084 --> 00:03:42,155 I'm walking around and there's going to be like this story that's going to come out. 13 00:03:42,221 --> 00:03:47,827 I feel like someone's gonna say, ten years later, it proves what happened. 14 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:51,164 There's so much more to this story. 15 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:57,236 It was a horrific scene on a Taconic parkway near route 117 this afternoon. 16 00:03:57,303 --> 00:04:00,106 This burned-out shell was all that remained of a minivan... 17 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:02,842 After the head-on crash which left 8 people dead. 18 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:06,145 Diane Schuler, her daughter, and 3 nieces... 19 00:04:06,212 --> 00:04:08,815 Three Westchester men in the SUV were killed. 20 00:04:08,881 --> 00:04:12,652 Evidence leads us to believe that a vehicle was traveling... 21 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:16,255 The wrong way southbound in the northbound lanes of traffic. 22 00:04:16,322 --> 00:04:19,392 Several people were ejected, most of them children. 23 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:24,364 And we prioritized, and we were able to save one young child's life. 24 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:26,232 More than one family was destroyed tonight... 25 00:04:26,299 --> 00:04:28,735 After a horrible crash on the Taconic parkway. 26 00:04:28,801 --> 00:04:32,472 The lone survivor a 5-year-old boy, clinging to life here tonight... 27 00:04:32,538 --> 00:04:34,574 At the Westchester medical center. 28 00:04:34,641 --> 00:04:37,041 When I first got the phone call, I didn't know what happened. 29 00:04:37,076 --> 00:04:40,446 I just went upstate to the hospital, and then I found out there... 30 00:04:40,513 --> 00:04:43,549 That there was a, a car accident... 31 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:46,252 And uh, he gets the phone call... 32 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,690 And he got all upset on the phone and he handed me the phone... 33 00:04:50,757 --> 00:04:57,363 And at that point it was... Bryan died, and everybody else was alive. 34 00:04:57,430 --> 00:05:03,536 And then I went to Poppa's house, and I told them that Bryan was dead. 35 00:05:03,603 --> 00:05:08,474 And then I got the phone call that it wasn't, that Bryan survived. 36 00:05:08,541 --> 00:05:14,847 And then, Jimmy said "It's bad, it's bad J, everyone's gone." 37 00:05:14,914 --> 00:05:18,384 You know, I don't remember much, of that day, you know. 38 00:05:18,451 --> 00:05:20,720 Just taking care of Bryan that's what I remember. 39 00:05:38,271 --> 00:05:43,743 My sister was a phenomenal mother, aunt, and friend. 40 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:47,280 And all of us are grateful for the love and care... 41 00:05:47,346 --> 00:05:52,885 That she showered upon our entire family especially all of our children. 42 00:05:52,952 --> 00:05:55,688 What we ask all of you going forward is... 43 00:05:55,755 --> 00:06:03,162 That you keep my girls, my sister, and my niece, and all of us in your daily prayers. 44 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:07,600 There is a miracle child in all of this. 45 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:12,105 Our dear nephew, Bryan, who's getting better and stronger by the day. 46 00:06:12,171 --> 00:06:16,909 And who will be loved by more people than he will ever understand. 47 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:20,346 Love your children. Cherish your children. 48 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:24,250 Kiss your children... 49 00:06:24,317 --> 00:06:26,419 And don't ever forget... 50 00:06:58,618 --> 00:07:00,453 An autopsy was performed... 51 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,731 By the Westchester County medical, medical examiner's office... 52 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:04,857 On the body of Diane Schuler... 53 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:09,762 The operator of the 2003 Ford van who was responsible for this crash. 54 00:07:09,829 --> 00:07:11,964 The toxicology from that autopsy... 55 00:07:12,031 --> 00:07:17,170 Shows that Diane Schuler had a blood-alcohol content of .19 percent. 56 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:22,775 The legal limit for intoxication in New York state is .08 percent. 57 00:07:22,842 --> 00:07:27,547 Toxicology also reveals that Diane Schuler had a high level of THC. 58 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:30,750 THC is the active ingredient contained in marijuana. 59 00:07:34,587 --> 00:07:38,424 Um, the weight is what's very important in calculating the number of drinks... 60 00:07:38,491 --> 00:07:43,830 And with that level of alcohol it's approximately ten drinks are still in her at this time. 61 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:07,753 Hi. Um, we want to speak to you... 62 00:08:08,888 --> 00:08:11,457 About the events that occurred... 63 00:08:13,059 --> 00:08:17,230 And I'll tell you quite candidly... 64 00:08:17,296 --> 00:08:20,666 That I didn't see any really benefit. 65 00:08:20,733 --> 00:08:25,571 Except my client wants to talk about his wife. 66 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:32,278 She was not an alcoholic, she rarely had a drink. 67 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:35,715 She got in the van, with the children... 68 00:08:35,781 --> 00:08:42,488 And what should have taken a 35-minute drive, took almost four hours. 69 00:08:42,555 --> 00:08:46,826 Listen to this, I go to bed every night knowing my heart is clear. 70 00:08:46,893 --> 00:08:49,495 She did not drink, she was not an alcoholic. 71 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:51,931 Listen to all that? She is not an alcoholic. 72 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:54,200 And my heart is rested every night when I go to bed... 73 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:56,135 Something medically had to have happened. 74 00:08:56,202 --> 00:08:58,638 My name, my... Jay Schuler. 75 00:08:58,704 --> 00:08:59,839 You're married to? 76 00:08:59,906 --> 00:09:04,210 I'm married to Danny's brother, Jimmy Schuler. 77 00:09:04,277 --> 00:09:07,079 Diane was my sister-in-law. 78 00:09:07,146 --> 00:09:09,982 Family was the most important thing to her. 79 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:12,084 To have the cousins all playing together... 80 00:09:12,151 --> 00:09:16,088 There is no way she would ever jeopardize the children. 81 00:09:18,457 --> 00:09:20,126 Stop the barking. 82 00:09:20,192 --> 00:09:22,361 Will you just go down a second? 83 00:09:25,831 --> 00:09:28,734 Look at the things they wrote about her. 84 00:09:28,801 --> 00:09:32,305 "Loser, skank, killer." Isn't that nice? 85 00:09:32,371 --> 00:09:37,677 "Oh, shut the F up and admit that him and his wife were alchy's and potheads." 86 00:09:40,012 --> 00:09:43,182 "People you'll see in hell." That's what Bryan's gonna see. 87 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:48,020 That his mother was a murderer, and people want to know why I keep on fighting. 88 00:09:48,087 --> 00:09:53,492 You go from the horrific tragedy to now people hating you, hating you. 89 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,896 People what they're saying on the computer, people what they're saying on the news. 90 00:09:56,963 --> 00:10:00,666 You know and I'm like, "You don't know us, that's not what happened." 91 00:10:00,733 --> 00:10:03,202 And any sympathy turned to hate. 92 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:09,108 I need Bryan to hold his head up high, that his mommy was a great mom. 93 00:10:09,175 --> 00:10:11,644 She wasn't drunk, she would never do that to them. 94 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:15,948 Never, never ever, she would never hurt her kids, or Warren and Jackie's. 95 00:10:16,015 --> 00:10:17,483 Something happened. 96 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,930 We'll do every test that that experts recommend to us and... 97 00:10:30,997 --> 00:10:34,133 You know we'll go to every avenues here that can be explored. 98 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,168 Right. 99 00:10:36,235 --> 00:10:37,913 But what if it doesn't turn up something you want? What will... 100 00:10:37,937 --> 00:10:42,308 I know, I think about that sometimes, but it's gonna work out. 101 00:10:42,375 --> 00:10:46,178 And if it doesn't I, I don't even go down that path... 102 00:10:46,245 --> 00:10:49,148 'Cause I know she wouldn't let me fight this for nothing. 103 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:53,219 The Barbara Law Firm, good afternoon. 104 00:10:53,285 --> 00:10:58,090 You know why they came to me, originally? To go public. 105 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:01,594 That was from day one, they didn't just pick my name out of a hat. 106 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:05,931 They wanted to go public, and I still think it was the right thing to do. 107 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,267 It would have never gotten to where it is today. 108 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:10,903 You wouldn't be involved, if it wasn't something public, right? 109 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:12,171 Right. 110 00:11:12,238 --> 00:11:14,740 This has been a very, um... 111 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:22,148 Painful, emotionally painful experience this case... 112 00:11:22,214 --> 00:11:24,016 Because I've taken a lot of grief. 113 00:11:24,083 --> 00:11:27,319 I've taken more grief on this case than some of the really... 114 00:11:27,386 --> 00:11:32,191 Buttafuoco and Jessica Hahn cases of the '70s and '80s. 115 00:11:32,258 --> 00:11:34,160 And my friendship with certain celebrities. 116 00:11:34,226 --> 00:11:35,995 This took more heat. 117 00:11:36,062 --> 00:11:40,900 People actually come over to me, "How could you represent that drunk?" 118 00:11:42,301 --> 00:11:45,137 And that really bothers me, because I truly believe... 119 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:49,608 In my heart of hearts, that she's not an alcoholic, nor a drunk. 120 00:11:49,675 --> 00:11:52,845 Do I have an answer for that day? No. 121 00:11:58,951 --> 00:12:03,489 What is the thing that you want to happen most? 122 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:06,926 I want to know what happened to my wife, I want an autopsy done. 123 00:12:06,992 --> 00:12:13,766 A correct autopsy done and I wanna know if she had a stroke or not. 124 00:12:13,833 --> 00:12:20,473 Cause what they're saying is not true, or I wouldn't be doing this. 125 00:12:20,539 --> 00:12:24,910 I'm a quiet person and a private person but, uh... 126 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:27,746 I just want to find out what happened. 127 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:33,252 So, when my son gets older he knows what happened to his mom. 128 00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:37,656 I'm gonna go until the end, until I find out what really happened, the truth. 129 00:12:37,723 --> 00:12:41,093 Whether it's good or bad that would be fine with me... 130 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,431 But I know something medically happened to my wife. 131 00:13:40,352 --> 00:13:42,488 Did Diane talk to you about her mother? 132 00:13:42,555 --> 00:13:44,190 Not much. 133 00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:48,527 It wasn't a subject that we talked about. 134 00:13:48,594 --> 00:13:51,030 What did she say about her? 135 00:13:52,998 --> 00:13:58,437 That, uh, she left when Diane was young. She didn't like bringing it up. 136 00:14:00,906 --> 00:14:03,108 Was it something that she just kinda didn't deal with? 137 00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:05,477 It seemed like it bothered her. 138 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:09,648 But she wouldn't talk about it. And I never push, pushed. 139 00:14:10,549 --> 00:14:12,351 So... 140 00:14:12,418 --> 00:14:18,023 Cause she was the girl of the house and everyone said that Diane did everything. 141 00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:20,192 Did you ever meet her mother? No. 142 00:14:20,259 --> 00:14:24,897 Uh, someone said she was at the funeral, at the wake but, um, I never met her. 143 00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:29,401 I have... Only things I knew that she didn't have contact with her. 144 00:14:29,468 --> 00:14:32,838 Do why, do you know why she left the father? The... 145 00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:35,541 I don't know why she left the dad, no. I, I really don't. 146 00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:40,946 Diane wasn't like that, like she didn't go like, "Pity me, feel sorry for me." 147 00:14:41,013 --> 00:14:43,349 But I would imagine that had a big impact on her. 148 00:14:43,415 --> 00:14:47,486 That she was going to be totally there for her kids, and never leave them... 149 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:50,089 And that's why we find it so ironic. 150 00:14:59,598 --> 00:15:03,636 Yeah, come to the middle. Right from the moment you woke up. 151 00:15:03,702 --> 00:15:08,574 I woke up about 6:00 a.m., went down to my boat to clean it out and do what I gotta do. 152 00:15:08,641 --> 00:15:12,444 Came back about quarter-to-seven, 7:00 a.m., I woke her up... 153 00:15:12,511 --> 00:15:14,780 Saying we had to start cleaning the camper... 154 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:17,950 So we could start getting home before traffic. 155 00:15:18,017 --> 00:15:22,755 She woke up, started packing the bags slowly, started waking the kids up slowly... 156 00:15:22,821 --> 00:15:27,993 Started getting the kids dressed, we unloaded the camper, all the bags... 157 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:31,964 Outside the camper and I walk 'em to the car and we load 'em up. 158 00:15:32,031 --> 00:15:36,735 We had a cup of coffee, two cups of coffee, and then we left. 159 00:15:39,204 --> 00:15:42,775 Yeah, I kissed everyone goodbye and my wife. 160 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:44,777 Thank you. 161 00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:23,282 It was a great weekend. Swimming, hiking, campfire, cooking marshmallows. 162 00:16:23,349 --> 00:16:27,853 The game room with the kids, the playground, it was an excellent weekend. 163 00:16:44,770 --> 00:16:48,340 Catch any fish? Catch you later. 164 00:16:51,543 --> 00:16:56,982 Uh, there's large mouth bass, there's small mouth, there's pickerels, sunnies, crappies. 165 00:16:58,283 --> 00:17:01,787 Hi there, how are you? 166 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:05,457 They say when they come up here, they forget that the world exists. 167 00:17:10,162 --> 00:17:13,565 It does give you the opportunity to take a breath. 168 00:17:15,534 --> 00:17:19,705 It's crazy today, just the pressures of everyday life. 169 00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:25,711 You know, mom's working, dad's working, the kids are busy doing activities at school. 170 00:17:25,778 --> 00:17:29,948 I don't think families have enough time to spend with each other... 171 00:17:30,015 --> 00:17:35,954 And I think this is probably one of the places that they can come and just enjoy it. 172 00:17:36,021 --> 00:17:38,891 There's the perfect relaxation right out there. 173 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:51,503 That morning, we got up, we had breakfast, we made coffee. 174 00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:56,442 We cleaned up the camper, said goodbye to all the kids... 175 00:17:56,508 --> 00:18:00,312 She hopped in her car, I hopped in mine, and we went on our way. 176 00:18:05,617 --> 00:18:08,887 He received a phone call at 9:00 a.m., from Emma Hance, his oldest daughter... 177 00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:12,758 Who said everything was good, they had a great time. They were looking forward to, uh... 178 00:18:12,825 --> 00:18:14,726 Coming home... 179 00:18:14,793 --> 00:18:19,231 Danny was parked up in front, and he had the dog, and he had the truck. 180 00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:21,767 And she was right behind him in the van. 181 00:18:21,834 --> 00:18:25,504 And the kids were just yelling, they were all strapped in their seats... 182 00:18:25,571 --> 00:18:28,674 And yelling what a good time they had cause they were up visiting... 183 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:32,711 With Aunt Diane, ya know, and so forth. 184 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:34,923 So I kinda leaned in, and I said, "Oh, I hear you yelling." 185 00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:38,050 I said, "You have a good time?" And they go, "Yeah, we're coming back." 186 00:18:38,116 --> 00:18:43,388 Well, you know, they were so excited about coming back and, uh... 187 00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:47,426 That was about the last thing they said. I said to Diane, "Have a safe trip home." 188 00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:49,962 She certainly seemed sober to me. 189 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,356 When we left the campground, we left together... 190 00:19:17,422 --> 00:19:20,759 I followed her out and then we got on the parkway. 191 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:23,962 And I went home with my dog and the laundry. 192 00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:28,634 And she stopped off at the stores, to get gas, to get the kids' breakfast. 193 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,168 And I just went home. 194 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:47,252 The morning they left that Sunday... 195 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:49,721 He stated that they left approximately the same time. 196 00:19:49,788 --> 00:19:53,792 Diane left with all the kids and the minivan, and he left with the dog. 197 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:58,897 And he stated that Diane was stopping at a McDonald's not far from the campground. 198 00:19:58,964 --> 00:20:00,966 The Hance family agreed that it was preplanned... 199 00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:03,402 That he would take the pickup truck with the dog... 200 00:20:03,468 --> 00:20:06,080 Um, obviously you can't put the kids in the back of a pickup truck. 201 00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:08,941 And they borrowed the minivan from the Hance's... 202 00:20:09,007 --> 00:20:11,710 For the very purpose of transporting all of the children. 203 00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:35,634 Investigators from the Liberty station were able to... 204 00:20:35,701 --> 00:20:39,905 Obtain a video from the McDonald's which was time-stamped. 205 00:20:39,972 --> 00:20:43,542 It showed Diane Schuler enter the McDonald's, with the children. 206 00:20:43,609 --> 00:20:47,312 We additionally interviewed the McDonald's employee who served her. 207 00:20:47,379 --> 00:20:50,048 He said that he did remember her and did not remember her... 208 00:20:50,115 --> 00:20:53,819 Being intoxicated or smelling of alcohol. 209 00:20:53,885 --> 00:20:57,689 The children were playing in the playground, they seemed to be having a good time. 210 00:20:59,324 --> 00:21:03,328 Through this video we saw no obvious signs of intoxication. 211 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,498 There's the Sunoco video where you see her at the pump getting out of the car... 212 00:21:30,522 --> 00:21:34,126 And then she goes in, at the gas station. 213 00:21:34,192 --> 00:21:36,928 Um, then she goes in and apparently asks for some sort of pain meds, 214 00:21:36,995 --> 00:21:38,397 which they don't have. 215 00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:46,238 She walked in, spoke to the clerk... 216 00:21:46,304 --> 00:21:51,309 We don't know what was said, there's no audio, and walked out with nothing. 217 00:21:51,376 --> 00:21:55,447 Again, there was no obvious signs of intoxication at this time. 218 00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:27,546 Oh no we're doing I, I can... What is it again, "I can learn?" 219 00:22:27,612 --> 00:22:29,881 You know E-Y-E, you know how to spell it. 220 00:22:29,948 --> 00:22:32,718 Pretty pictures! 221 00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:34,286 What's in that one, Bry? 222 00:22:34,352 --> 00:22:38,056 A face. Right there. Oh yeah. 223 00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:47,833 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. 224 00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:55,941 Go down more. 225 00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,777 - A human face? - A human face is in there. 226 00:22:58,844 --> 00:23:01,747 Here's a nose, eye, mouth. I see it. 227 00:23:01,813 --> 00:23:03,582 Can you find a deer... 228 00:23:03,648 --> 00:23:07,786 A buffalo, opossum, a fox, horse, dog. 229 00:23:07,853 --> 00:23:11,323 What does this do for your eyes, Bry? Makes 'em strong, right? 230 00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:39,618 This is the picture that they took at the campsite on Saturday. 231 00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:41,920 It's really hard to look it, but... 232 00:23:41,987 --> 00:23:45,490 You can see how much fun they're having because Bryan, being like as shy as he is... 233 00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:48,326 Erin with her ball, and Emma, Allie, and Kate. 234 00:23:48,393 --> 00:23:52,397 And that would be typical of Diane like, "All right, everyone on a rock... pose." 235 00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:55,433 Diane, like when she asked me to be a godmother to Erin... 236 00:23:55,500 --> 00:24:01,373 I like, I'm like, "Oh my god, she really does like me." You know I was like so thrilled. 237 00:24:01,439 --> 00:24:04,276 That was on Erin's birthday and Diane would always be like... 238 00:24:04,342 --> 00:24:07,445 All right, godmother, come sit, open presents... 239 00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:11,316 She got sunglasses, and it was too cute. 240 00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:14,619 It was fun and it's just not the same. 241 00:24:33,271 --> 00:24:39,077 I mean, Warren and Jackie, I think their grief is just so bad. 242 00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:44,649 Jackie, the kids were her job, that's what she did. 243 00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:48,119 Listening to her schedule of soccer, dance, this, that, times three... 244 00:24:48,186 --> 00:24:51,590 Running all around to wake up to nothing. 245 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,764 I can't imagine anyone in her family thinks Diane was drunk. 246 00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:02,434 As a parent, like you have the tiny bit of doubt... 247 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,437 You're human, I would have a tiny bit of doubt, human. 248 00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:09,241 But when Jackie reflects back or, I don't want to speak for them, but... 249 00:25:09,307 --> 00:25:11,543 Her and Diane were like best friends. 250 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:15,513 But are they choosing to speak out about it? No. 251 00:25:26,124 --> 00:25:29,861 This is the day and he's coming up to my house and this is 7:15 in the morning. 252 00:25:29,928 --> 00:25:33,598 He goes, "Well, going to Yorktown Heights today, my sister's house..." 253 00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:38,236 "What surprise will it be for dinner? Laugh out loud." 254 00:25:38,303 --> 00:25:40,372 That's the day he died. 255 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:56,054 That morning I remember, I remember my brother'ss voice on that phone. 256 00:25:56,121 --> 00:26:00,091 Saying to me, "Hey guys, okay we're gonna just have spaghetti and meatballs." 257 00:26:00,158 --> 00:26:01,760 I had the table set... 258 00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:05,897 And I remember him saying, "Okay, it's all right, you know I'll be there." 259 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:09,634 It's sort of, there's no closure at that point... 260 00:26:09,701 --> 00:26:12,704 Because you don't get to say goodbye, you know. 261 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,442 I mean, like I know that he knows we all loved him. 262 00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:20,545 You know we loved my brother, we loved them, and they know that. 263 00:26:20,612 --> 00:26:22,247 But we didn't get to tell them. 264 00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,483 You know like we didn't get to have that closure with them, and that... 265 00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:28,987 That bothers me. And then it also like I said it bothered me because... 266 00:26:29,054 --> 00:26:33,591 They never made it home. They should have made it home that day and they didn't. 267 00:26:33,658 --> 00:26:37,862 It is, it was a shock, it was really a shock. I mean just... 268 00:26:39,297 --> 00:26:42,867 When the phone call came in and from that day forward. 269 00:26:44,069 --> 00:26:48,106 He was healthy, he was just... 270 00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:52,978 He retired and he was really just starting to enjoy himself. 271 00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:56,881 I feel his life was cut short. He was really uh, eh... 272 00:26:59,217 --> 00:27:01,586 I think he had a lot more life to live. 273 00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:24,809 Bryan's my, my main priority right now. 274 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,046 Done? 275 00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:31,750 Being a single parent it's hard... 276 00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:35,120 Trying to do the right thing for him. 277 00:27:35,186 --> 00:27:38,456 Give him a normal life as we possibly can. 278 00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:44,496 Definitely changed. I do security work. 279 00:27:44,562 --> 00:27:49,634 I work nights, so, I'm up at 6:00. I'm in bed by 1:00. 280 00:27:49,701 --> 00:27:52,337 What's the hardest part of being a single parent? 281 00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:57,609 Food shopping, cooking, laundry, taking care of the house... 282 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:04,783 Make sure Bryan's schoolwork and then going to work. 283 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:11,156 So, you're going all day and all night, there's very little time for yourself. 284 00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:22,200 Does Bryan ask a lot about his mom, or? 285 00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:24,402 We talk a lot about his mom. 286 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:29,941 Mommy took me here, mommy bought me that. 287 00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,677 I used to play here with mommy all the time. 288 00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:39,451 Does Bryan get any kind of special support or counseling? 289 00:28:39,517 --> 00:28:42,253 No, eh... The school is excellent. 290 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,255 He's doing really good in school. 291 00:28:44,322 --> 00:28:50,161 And, uh, everything is somewhat back to normal. 292 00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:53,932 If he wants to talk about it he will, you know. 293 00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:57,635 I have tried to poke and prod and things, I'm curious. 294 00:28:57,702 --> 00:29:02,006 And he said, "Mommy's head hurt, she couldn't see." 295 00:29:02,073 --> 00:29:04,342 I said, "Oh Bryan, I said your mom..." 296 00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:09,080 "Aunt Jay I told you, her head hurt, she couldn't see." And he said... 297 00:29:09,147 --> 00:29:11,683 I said, "Oh, and that's when the crash happened." And he said... 298 00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:13,985 "And I flew out of the car like Superman." 299 00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:16,421 Since he came home from rehab and I started spending... 300 00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,157 My days with him, the story has never changed. 301 00:29:19,224 --> 00:29:22,527 Never, ever changed, "Mommy's head hurt, she couldn't see." 302 00:29:38,243 --> 00:29:40,254 Diane called and said we're running a little late... 303 00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:42,647 Because the girls had play practice. 304 00:29:42,714 --> 00:29:45,116 And "We had a great time, everything's great." 305 00:29:45,183 --> 00:29:49,654 All laughing, kidding around and Diane said, "All right, they talked about the play." 306 00:29:49,721 --> 00:29:51,956 The play..."Get me two tickets." 307 00:29:52,023 --> 00:29:56,494 I think Erin will sit on my lap, and then they said, "Okay, we'll see you soon." 308 00:30:03,801 --> 00:30:07,672 We were traveling back on the freeway heading south. 309 00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:15,246 We were driving in the center lane. 310 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:18,049 And the vehicle came up rather quickly in the right lane... 311 00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:21,819 And, um, moved into the center lane... 312 00:30:21,886 --> 00:30:24,522 Moved back into the right lane and... 313 00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:29,260 Continued to make a series of movements, changing lanes rather aggressively. 314 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:34,132 And we both looked, and we saw a woman grasping onto the steering wheel... 315 00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:37,335 Appearing to concentrate as she was driving. 316 00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:39,437 And the last movement it made... 317 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:43,474 It made from the right lane, and it kind of cut off a car in the middle lane and the... 318 00:30:43,541 --> 00:30:47,478 The car or the truck actually swerved out of the way to avoid it. 319 00:30:47,545 --> 00:30:51,082 Um, but each time it made the movement, it did it... 320 00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:54,686 The vehicle was kind of... It was very precise like... 321 00:30:54,752 --> 00:30:58,022 It would move into the lane, it would move out of the lane, uh... 322 00:30:58,089 --> 00:31:00,625 And it was done with some degree of precision. 323 00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:10,401 And there came a point in time where we actually could see, um... 324 00:31:10,468 --> 00:31:14,706 Children's heads kind of swaying back and forth as the vehicle moved. 325 00:31:30,588 --> 00:31:33,258 Coming down the freeway going to the rest area... 326 00:31:33,324 --> 00:31:36,861 I thought we passed her. She pulled out and got right behind us. 327 00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:40,565 And she was, I mean, so close to me, I couldn't see her headlights. 328 00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:43,868 And then the next thing you know you started hearing the horn beeping. 329 00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:49,907 It made me nervous, in fact I braced myself... 330 00:31:49,974 --> 00:31:53,011 For an accident, because I thought she was so close behind us. 331 00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:54,688 Well, the way she was driving I thought she was... 332 00:31:54,712 --> 00:31:57,949 You know just some sort of nut coming behind me and then... 333 00:31:58,016 --> 00:32:02,186 When she tried to pass me again on the shoulder, that's when I really thought it. 334 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:05,056 And then she just pulled right back in behind me. 335 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:09,627 The honking happened as we were getting... 336 00:32:09,694 --> 00:32:13,998 Off the exit for the thruway into the rest area. 337 00:32:14,065 --> 00:32:16,868 We stayed straight which went into the car lane... 338 00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:19,704 And she veered off into the truck area. 339 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:23,908 And I did see her open the door, get out of the car, and... 340 00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:29,347 Possibly she was going to get sick to her stomach. 341 00:32:29,414 --> 00:32:30,748 What made you think that? 342 00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:33,484 She was kind of bent over a little. 343 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:37,055 My husband and I then... 344 00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:41,225 Walked into the rest area, and she wasn't there when we came out again. 345 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:43,928 It was 12:30 PM. 346 00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:46,497 If you had a do-over, what would you do? 347 00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:49,167 I would have confronted her. 348 00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:52,170 You know, and then we probably would have seen those kids in the car. 349 00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:54,472 And we probably would have seen that there was... 350 00:32:54,539 --> 00:32:57,041 You know, she, there was something wrong, you know. 351 00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:31,075 I can't really remember a point where Diane wasn't a part of my life. 352 00:33:31,142 --> 00:33:34,212 I remember girl scouts with her, soccer teams together... 353 00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:37,849 Kindergarten, first grade, like I don't remember her just not being there. 354 00:33:37,915 --> 00:33:39,984 You hang out with her at school... 355 00:33:40,051 --> 00:33:42,754 And you had the best time ever cause she was the class clown. 356 00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:45,623 And then you wanted her, her to come to your house, because... 357 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,092 She was always fun, she always made you laugh. 358 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:51,763 I moved to Fort Park in fourth grade. 359 00:33:51,829 --> 00:33:55,066 That's when I got involved with the whole group of girls. 360 00:33:56,334 --> 00:33:58,403 We were definitely, I wouldn't say crazy... 361 00:33:58,469 --> 00:34:04,575 We were, but we were loud, we were fun, you know we liked the attention. 362 00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:08,346 I was most spirited, Diane got loudest in our class... 363 00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:10,524 I mean senior superlatives, she got like seven of them. 364 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:12,784 You know she was loudest, most fun to be around... 365 00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:14,485 Class clown... 366 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:17,264 You know, actually someone that didn't like to be in the spotlight... 367 00:34:17,288 --> 00:34:22,894 She was in the spotlight just because that, she had just such a big personality. 368 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,930 Diane always had a good head on her shoulders, and... 369 00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:28,499 You know was very responsible from an early age. 370 00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:30,935 She lived with her father and her brothers, and... 371 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,838 You know, she was like the woman of the house. 372 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,974 She had to clean the kitchen, you know, she had to do wash, and... 373 00:34:37,041 --> 00:34:40,778 You know, somebody's gotta take on that motherly role... 374 00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:44,816 So to speak, and you know... And she definitely did it well. 375 00:34:44,882 --> 00:34:47,952 In high school, Diane was heavy sometimes. 376 00:34:48,019 --> 00:34:50,788 She struggled to lose weight. 377 00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:54,225 I guess it was right before my wedding, is when she had lost the most weight ever... 378 00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:55,960 And looked amazing. 379 00:34:56,027 --> 00:35:00,031 And she had come to my wedding and that's actually where she had met Danny. 380 00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:04,502 She really never dated while we were younger... 381 00:35:04,569 --> 00:35:06,137 And, I think, because... 382 00:35:06,204 --> 00:35:08,473 She never really had that companionship growing up... 383 00:35:08,539 --> 00:35:10,641 Or you know, never had that boyfriend or anything. 384 00:35:10,708 --> 00:35:12,977 So when she met Danny like you know she was gonna... 385 00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:17,482 Experience everything that, you know, we all had the chance to experience. 386 00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:20,251 That was her first love, and... 387 00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:23,788 I think she knew that you know it was gonna be her only love. 388 00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:31,028 Mr. Schuler, can you explain the bottle of vodka? 389 00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:45,176 No, I don't. 390 00:35:45,243 --> 00:35:49,580 Daniel, how do you explain the vodka? 391 00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:54,819 We usually would keep it in our camper throughout the whole season. 392 00:35:54,886 --> 00:35:57,688 - One bottle. - Why? Why? 393 00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:00,300 You know you have pina coladas, you, you... Sitting by a campfire... 394 00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:02,293 Right. For the camp fire. Cooking marshmallows. 395 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,296 What was the vodka bottle doing in the car? 396 00:36:05,363 --> 00:36:09,233 My wife packed all the bags that day in the camper... 397 00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:14,572 And leaves 'em by the door, I carry 'em from the camper to the trucks. 398 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:19,510 I'm very surprised that the vodka bottle was in there, I had no idea. 399 00:36:19,577 --> 00:36:21,546 I don't know why she brought it home. 400 00:36:21,612 --> 00:36:25,416 Well, does it give you, does it give you pause to think that maybe, just maybe... 401 00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:28,219 She was a drinker and you didn't know it? 402 00:36:28,286 --> 00:36:31,355 I've been with her for 13 years, absolutely not. 403 00:36:31,422 --> 00:36:34,625 Daniel, why appear here, why keep on doing this? 404 00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:36,561 The truth, the truth will come out. 405 00:36:36,627 --> 00:36:40,965 But Larry, you have to understand, Danny doesn't want the other families... 406 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,068 To think that a drunk driver killed their families. 407 00:36:44,135 --> 00:36:46,704 That's why we are out to prove that she... 408 00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:48,639 Try to prove that she wasn't drunk. 409 00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:51,208 I've gotten to a point, I forgive Diane Schuler. 410 00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:55,346 I pray for her, like I pray for my father and my brother and those children. 411 00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:56,614 Right. 412 00:36:56,681 --> 00:37:00,251 The family that's still alive, I'm still working on. 413 00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:03,321 Oh, come on, even the lies about the bottle. Yeah. 414 00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:05,132 "Oh, it's not our bottle, I don't know where she got it." 415 00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:08,926 "Oh yeah, we kept a bottle up at the camp, we brought it back and forth." 416 00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:13,564 The stories just kept changing, they just kept changing, and like I said... 417 00:37:13,631 --> 00:37:18,536 If, if you just come forward and say I'm sorry she made a mistake... 418 00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:19,971 You could accept that. 419 00:37:20,037 --> 00:37:23,007 Right. But to have to keep lying and try to cover up, why? 420 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,743 What are you trying to cover up? What happened? 421 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:30,715 I would say to him, "What, what transpired between you and your wife?" Right. 422 00:37:30,781 --> 00:37:32,783 That pushed her. Right, that pushed her. 423 00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:36,687 And then I'd say to him, "You know, what's with the denial?" 424 00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:40,758 "You denying this is enabling other people to do the same thing." 425 00:37:40,825 --> 00:37:46,130 I mean, the right thing to do is to admit, you know, my wife was drunk. 426 00:37:46,197 --> 00:37:48,933 Don't let this happen to your family. 427 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,234 Right. 428 00:38:01,579 --> 00:38:03,114 Here you go. 429 00:38:20,231 --> 00:38:22,233 Doctor. 430 00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,343 Doctor, uh, May 25th. 431 00:38:44,855 --> 00:38:46,991 Someone is gone. 432 00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:50,795 There is a deep, deep wish to find a way to remember them. 433 00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:57,001 Which, um, in a way is the silver lining to the loss that people experience. 434 00:39:07,111 --> 00:39:11,716 In forensic psychiatric autopsy, what we do attempt to piece together... 435 00:39:11,782 --> 00:39:18,055 The state of mind, and who the person was at the time of the events in question. 436 00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:24,995 People are seeking to preserve her memory. 437 00:39:25,062 --> 00:39:30,267 At the same time, they want to find out what actually happened, because it's... 438 00:39:30,334 --> 00:39:32,837 It's such a tragedy and, and such a mystery... 439 00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:37,408 And they, and right now, they are constricted. 440 00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:42,146 The choices they have is to either accept her as someone who was bad... 441 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:47,218 Which she cannot, because she wasn't bad in their relationships with them. 442 00:39:47,284 --> 00:39:49,320 Or to be able... 443 00:39:49,386 --> 00:39:52,323 Or they're focusing on some medical event... 444 00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:55,593 For which there was no evidence in the autopsy. 445 00:39:55,659 --> 00:39:58,462 The problem is when someone is being demonized... 446 00:39:58,529 --> 00:40:04,568 The tendency by the, those who remember that person is to try to make them into a saint. 447 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:09,740 Do you wanna show the nice photo album, Daddy made you? 448 00:40:09,807 --> 00:40:11,475 Hey, I got it. 449 00:40:11,542 --> 00:40:13,611 You wanna show her? Photo album. 450 00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:17,948 My sister. 451 00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:22,987 This, Bryan's first fish he caught. 452 00:40:25,956 --> 00:40:27,358 That... 453 00:40:27,424 --> 00:40:30,494 And they went pumpkin picking. 454 00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:32,897 Is that Halloween? 455 00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:37,168 You're a good big brother. 456 00:40:37,234 --> 00:40:39,637 Nice and easy. Scratch. 457 00:40:43,407 --> 00:40:46,677 That was funny with the glasses, good job. 458 00:40:46,744 --> 00:40:50,581 Try to see it, try to see it. I'll hold it. Go ahead, look. 459 00:40:51,649 --> 00:40:55,352 You see? Good job, look at that. 460 00:40:55,419 --> 00:40:58,122 Oh my god, you look like an alien. 461 00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:00,758 What? 462 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:04,762 You wanna show the picture of you and Mommy upstate? 463 00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:06,197 Mommy. 464 00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:08,833 And then the one of Mommy and Daddy. 465 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,908 He was madly in love with her. 466 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,478 He, and I said he met the right girl, finally. 467 00:41:21,545 --> 00:41:26,250 She was lovely. She was so motherly... 468 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:32,022 You know, I mean, I spoil my son Danny, then she spoiled him. 469 00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:36,026 She calmed him down. 470 00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:38,796 She was the boss. Yeah. She was the boss, yes. 471 00:41:38,863 --> 00:41:44,802 She made all the decisions and Danny was like her oldest child. 472 00:41:44,869 --> 00:41:48,939 You know, and he, uh, he loved Diane... 473 00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:55,946 Diane, like I said, made all the decisions and he was like her oldest boy. 474 00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,015 Yeah. 475 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,887 Diane, she was a, an amazing woman. 476 00:42:02,953 --> 00:42:07,157 She worked her way up, she was extremely smart woman. 477 00:42:07,224 --> 00:42:09,727 Had her own office and she was like a boss. 478 00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:12,162 - She had her own secretary. - Yep. 479 00:42:12,229 --> 00:42:17,101 They loved her there, she's got a lot of friends in, uh, Cablevision. 480 00:42:17,167 --> 00:42:19,904 - Lot of friends. Uh-huh. - She was very capable. 481 00:42:28,979 --> 00:42:34,184 She seemed to be very good at whatever she attempted, I mean, she was... 482 00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:37,254 Very good at, uh, her job. 483 00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:40,491 She was a take charge person too, you know... 484 00:42:40,557 --> 00:42:43,594 Something came on and, "Oh, this person's gonna have a baby." 485 00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:47,731 "Oh, all right, okay, you go out and get this, and we'll go and do that, and..." 486 00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:52,269 "You get this, and we'll get together and..." That's just the way she was. 487 00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:56,941 Everything was ironed, and down to like the littlest thing. 488 00:42:57,007 --> 00:43:00,244 Like, her pants were ironed, her shirt was ironed, this was ironed, like... 489 00:43:00,311 --> 00:43:03,747 It was like, the kid's clothes were ironed. I'm like, "When do you do this?" 490 00:43:03,814 --> 00:43:06,216 She made me a book. 491 00:43:06,283 --> 00:43:09,353 With all little pictures of the children. 492 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:12,890 When she had to put the kids to bed, she'd work on it every night. 493 00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:16,527 And then she was starting another one for me. 494 00:43:16,593 --> 00:43:20,030 The end! 495 00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:24,001 I said, "Diane, where do you get the time?" 496 00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:27,204 Because by the time she would leave my house and get home. 497 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:30,908 It was 7:00 in the evening, or about that... 498 00:43:30,975 --> 00:43:36,313 Then she'd feed them dinner, then she would bathe them. 499 00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:41,418 Then she would take Bryan and read his book to him, and then put him into bed. 500 00:43:41,485 --> 00:43:47,057 Then she would cuddle with, pick up little Erin, and read her a book... 501 00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:50,728 And then carry her into bed. 502 00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:54,365 And then she found time to work on these little books. 503 00:43:54,431 --> 00:43:58,068 And then Danny would come home and she'd have a snack with Danny. 504 00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:00,537 But then she's back up again in the morning. 505 00:44:03,374 --> 00:44:08,012 I really uh, and she'd throw a load of laundry in the meantime. 506 00:44:08,078 --> 00:44:11,715 A mother, up all night, or what? You know... 507 00:44:11,782 --> 00:44:15,319 For someone to be so organized, you know. 508 00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:19,623 She made it look easy. 509 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:22,326 And they worked opposite schedules, her and Danny... 510 00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:27,531 You know, which, you know, could be stressful. But she didn't make it seem that way. 511 00:44:29,033 --> 00:44:32,803 Bryan and Erin, my Erin, started preschool together. 512 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:35,706 And we would see each other on a daily basis. 513 00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:39,710 I was the second parent there every day, and she was the first. 514 00:44:39,777 --> 00:44:44,515 And she came from Babylon, and I live right around the block from the preschool. 515 00:44:44,581 --> 00:44:49,353 She was not only on time, the kids were dressed impeccably. 516 00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:53,557 There was never like a stain on their shirt or toothpaste on the corner of their mouth. 517 00:44:53,624 --> 00:44:56,326 A hair out of place. Very on top of things. 518 00:44:56,393 --> 00:44:58,929 She chaperoned for school trips. 519 00:44:58,996 --> 00:45:03,801 She put herself on a list to donate things for school parties and everything... 520 00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:07,905 She did it all! You know, and she worked full time, so... 521 00:45:09,306 --> 00:45:13,644 So, do you think she was like, the super mom, that she never had? 522 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:15,979 I think so, I think that drove her to be... 523 00:45:16,046 --> 00:45:19,883 You know, it definitely laid the groundwork for what type of a mother... 524 00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:21,819 You know, she was going to be. 525 00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,088 How do you... 526 00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:29,726 As an investigator, explain the toxicology report with high levels of marijuana... 527 00:45:29,793 --> 00:45:32,429 In Diane's system? How do you explain that? 528 00:45:32,496 --> 00:45:36,333 I can't explain it. But what I will tell you, is what we are doing... 529 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,137 Is I want to determine if those results are correct. 530 00:45:40,204 --> 00:45:46,243 The Schuler family has been trying to raise the money among the family... 531 00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:51,782 To pay for the additional tests that need to be done to try and clear Diane's name. 532 00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:55,586 Daniel Schuler and the Schuler family felt so convinced... 533 00:45:55,652 --> 00:45:59,923 In, in Diane's reputation and her background... 534 00:45:59,990 --> 00:46:02,826 Which is substantiated so far by our investigation... 535 00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:05,762 That they went out and they paid out of their good money. 536 00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:08,298 For a private investigation firm to come in... 537 00:46:08,365 --> 00:46:12,136 And look at this, and take it where it leads it. 538 00:46:12,202 --> 00:46:16,607 All I know is that when I got, when this first happened, and we got... 539 00:46:16,673 --> 00:46:19,309 Dominic, and Dominic just gave us Tom. 540 00:46:19,376 --> 00:46:22,846 I'm like, all right, this guy is going to save the day. 541 00:46:22,913 --> 00:46:26,216 He's going to save the day, he's going to find out what happened to her... 542 00:46:26,283 --> 00:46:29,520 He just totally was like, "You're right, she wasn't drunk." 543 00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:33,657 He's like, "It just doesn't make sense, everyone who I spoke to." 544 00:46:33,724 --> 00:46:35,492 And then everything was about... 545 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,639 "All right, well, we gotta get this done, I'm going, I'm getting the samples." 546 00:46:38,695 --> 00:46:42,900 "I'm getting this, I'm getting that, and we're going to need more money." 547 00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:47,905 Ten thousand dollars, then $30,000. We don't have this money! 548 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:52,042 You know, we're taking it from here borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, and... 549 00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:54,878 Diane was the breadwinner. But I convinced everyone... 550 00:46:54,945 --> 00:46:58,649 Follow Tom. Tom's gonna do it. And nothing was done. 551 00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:00,350 Nothing was done. 552 00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:02,486 How do you do that to people? 553 00:47:02,553 --> 00:47:05,289 Have you spoken to Tom Ruskin at all? No. 554 00:47:06,723 --> 00:47:08,492 What happened there? 555 00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:14,298 Don't know. As soon as we paid him, he disappeared. 556 00:47:31,515 --> 00:47:34,785 What was Ruskin's job, what was he hired to do? 557 00:47:34,851 --> 00:47:36,820 Ruskin was hired to go up there... 558 00:47:36,887 --> 00:47:40,524 And start finding out things and collect information. 559 00:47:40,591 --> 00:47:44,928 I used him on two prior cases, and he'd done a very good job. 560 00:47:44,995 --> 00:47:47,497 Um, I don't know what happened here. 561 00:47:47,564 --> 00:47:50,033 I picked up the newspapers everyday... 562 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,405 And I was, you know, with great chagrin, where's he going? 563 00:47:55,472 --> 00:47:58,609 I don't understand, we put our, we put our point out there. 564 00:47:58,675 --> 00:48:01,211 Now, let's wait and see what happens. 565 00:48:01,278 --> 00:48:04,448 There was, everyday, something new in the paper. 566 00:48:04,514 --> 00:48:07,884 I, I just wanted Ruskin to come under control! 567 00:48:07,951 --> 00:48:09,152 Have you interviewed him yet? 568 00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:12,222 We have been trying to set that up. 569 00:48:56,967 --> 00:49:01,071 It's just ironic that you can get these so quickly of helping us... 570 00:49:01,138 --> 00:49:03,974 And we've asked for these for a year. 571 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,388 Oh that's when she was on the prenatal vitamins... 572 00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:20,924 For when she, um, was pregnant. 573 00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:24,761 Do you remember having her trouble sleeping? No. 574 00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:30,200 And she got, um, Hydrocodone, and, uh, that's the dentist. 575 00:49:30,267 --> 00:49:33,904 She would always do this. I noticed, always... 576 00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:36,173 Rubbing the side? Yep. 577 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,608 I saw that, and her friends saw that too. 578 00:49:38,675 --> 00:49:41,144 She had a tooth that was bothering her. 579 00:49:41,211 --> 00:49:44,081 Okay, so, '04 she had the cleaning and x-rays... 580 00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:47,184 Yeah, she had it, she had the root canal. 581 00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:51,722 Then they went to go in and do more, she really would not get that finished. 582 00:49:51,788 --> 00:49:53,924 It was too, she just hated it right? 583 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:55,692 Yeah, too much pain. 584 00:49:57,461 --> 00:50:00,764 Then an oral exam, no cleaning, so obviously she was still having pain. 585 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,300 Wait, was that the last one? 586 00:50:03,367 --> 00:50:06,770 Wait, 7.31.08, that's a year before. 587 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:10,841 Maybe it's the same tooth that was bothering her all since '05. 588 00:50:10,907 --> 00:50:13,753 That she never got worked on, and this is the one that they said she went... 589 00:50:13,777 --> 00:50:17,914 And then she left. They said that she left the dental office in the middle of it. 590 00:50:17,981 --> 00:50:22,452 All we wanted was a starting point of what happened to her. 591 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,890 Because if she stopped for Advil, or Tylenol, or something... 592 00:50:26,957 --> 00:50:30,093 Something was bothering her. It was bad. 593 00:50:31,795 --> 00:50:35,832 Yeah, I feel like now I can look over these things all the time... 594 00:50:35,899 --> 00:50:38,435 But I'm just going to come to conclusions in my head. 595 00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:10,600 At approximately 1:00 p.m., 596 00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:12,502 Diane called Jackie Hance... 597 00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:16,706 And this is the phone call where she sounded disheveled and disoriented. 598 00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:24,581 He basically stated that she didn't sound like herself. 599 00:51:24,648 --> 00:51:28,452 And at one point she called him Danny, which is her husband's name. 600 00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:31,555 And he knew something was wrong, the kids were crying in the background. 601 00:51:31,621 --> 00:51:35,792 And he told his sister to sit put, that he'd be right up there. 602 00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:43,533 When there is an incoherent phone call with her brother... 603 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,736 Her oldest niece is apparently on the phone... 604 00:51:46,803 --> 00:51:51,708 Uh, to her parents saying, uh, "There's something wrong with Aunt Diane." 605 00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,344 They're saying, "Aunt Diane can't see." 606 00:51:54,411 --> 00:51:57,848 "Aunt Diane can't... Something's wrong with Aunt Diane." 607 00:51:57,914 --> 00:52:01,852 They were pulled over, at that point... 608 00:52:01,918 --> 00:52:04,321 And Emma told her dad where they were. 609 00:52:04,387 --> 00:52:08,358 Read me a sign, and she said "Tarrytown." 610 00:52:08,425 --> 00:52:14,931 Warren races up from where he is in Long Island... 611 00:52:14,998 --> 00:52:20,871 To the Tappan Zee Bridge, to try and find Diane. 612 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:39,556 She leaves her phone on the Jersey barrier, the divider, at the Tappan Zee Bridge. 613 00:52:39,623 --> 00:52:42,792 The phone was located right after the Tappan Zee Bridge tolls... 614 00:52:42,859 --> 00:52:44,261 On a pull off, off to the right. 615 00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:47,297 Someone had found her cell phone sitting on a guide rail. 616 00:52:49,165 --> 00:52:51,535 Her entire route, up until the Tappan Zee Bridge... 617 00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:55,205 Is consistent of what she would have normally done. 618 00:52:55,272 --> 00:52:59,609 Then it becomes unclear as to why she got off the highway and where she went. 619 00:53:13,256 --> 00:53:14,424 Are you all right? 620 00:53:14,491 --> 00:53:18,261 No! Quite frankly. 621 00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,669 Well, thanks for doing this. Mmm-hmm. 622 00:53:27,737 --> 00:53:29,606 Was she your closest friend? 623 00:53:29,673 --> 00:53:34,244 I would say, yeah. She was. 624 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,349 And we were kinda not very similar in a lot of ways... 625 00:53:39,416 --> 00:53:43,119 Like, I'm a very easy-going person and let a lot of things pass, and... 626 00:53:43,186 --> 00:53:46,256 She was... she had to be in charge of everything, and... 627 00:53:46,323 --> 00:53:51,428 There was nothing left to chance, you know, everything had to be planned and precise. 628 00:53:51,494 --> 00:53:56,700 She was a powerful woman, she's very much in charge of everything. 629 00:53:56,766 --> 00:54:00,904 At work, at home, um, in the car, in the friendship. 630 00:54:00,971 --> 00:54:04,007 If you were with Diane, you pretty much... 631 00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,076 She, it was her way. 632 00:54:06,142 --> 00:54:08,578 You know, it was pretty much, if you said, you know, even... 633 00:54:08,645 --> 00:54:10,547 I would program the GPS in the car... 634 00:54:10,614 --> 00:54:13,950 And I just blindly follow the GPS, if I put an address in there. 635 00:54:14,017 --> 00:54:16,529 And she'd be like, "No, that's wrong, you know turn, you know..." 636 00:54:16,553 --> 00:54:19,556 You know, yeah, every step of the way you know she would... 637 00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:23,226 We, it would be rerouting itself because she wouldn't, you know... 638 00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:25,929 Allow me to follow the GPS. 639 00:54:25,996 --> 00:54:28,331 She's certainly not a perfect person. You know? 640 00:54:28,398 --> 00:54:31,701 If she loved you, she loved you, if she didn't like you, she could be difficult. 641 00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,373 You know, uh, you know she didn't let anything go... 642 00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:39,909 You know, she, you know, if somebody... 643 00:54:39,976 --> 00:54:44,481 Was rude, or, you know, she'd call them out right there, you know, um... 644 00:54:44,547 --> 00:54:48,818 She was okay as long as she was in control of everything. 645 00:54:48,885 --> 00:54:52,689 Did you guys ever have conversations about any kind of pain she was having? 646 00:54:52,756 --> 00:54:59,562 Um, you know, I know, I know she did have issues with um, like... 647 00:54:59,629 --> 00:55:02,065 Especially that last week, every time I would see her, 648 00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:03,700 she would be holding her jaw. 649 00:55:03,767 --> 00:55:06,636 Or moving her mouth around, you know, like moving her lower jaw. 650 00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:10,874 Knowing her, and knowing what kind of a person she was... 651 00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:15,145 Every day of her life, and how she conducted herself, um... 652 00:55:15,211 --> 00:55:21,317 As crazy as it sounds, people grasping for, um, you know, reasons. 653 00:55:21,384 --> 00:55:25,221 Um, it seems more plausible, to anybody who knows her... 654 00:55:25,288 --> 00:55:27,857 That something medical could have happened to her. 655 00:55:27,924 --> 00:55:29,626 Did she seem at all upset that week? 656 00:55:29,693 --> 00:55:33,697 No. Not at all. And Diane was not the type of person to ever hide her feelings. 657 00:55:33,763 --> 00:55:36,433 If she was upset with you, you knew she was upset with you. 658 00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:40,203 You know, she wasn't the type of person that would smile, if... 659 00:55:40,270 --> 00:55:46,376 You know, and just pretend, if something was wrong, she would have said something was wrong. 660 00:55:46,443 --> 00:55:49,245 Did she talk about her marriage with you? 661 00:55:49,312 --> 00:55:52,716 Not really about her marriage, you know... 662 00:55:52,782 --> 00:55:56,686 I know, to me she just appeared very content. 663 00:55:56,753 --> 00:56:02,625 You know, very, um, happy, with the way her life was... 664 00:56:04,994 --> 00:56:10,600 You know, never heard her, she wouldn't discuss her marriage, no. 665 00:56:12,435 --> 00:56:15,071 When was the last time you had spoken with her? 666 00:56:15,138 --> 00:56:17,240 About ten years. Ten years. Mmm-hmm. 667 00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:20,243 So, what happened with you guys, that you didn't speak for all that time? 668 00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:22,278 How did that work, how did that work out? 669 00:56:22,345 --> 00:56:24,814 You know, Danny just likes to be... 670 00:56:24,881 --> 00:56:28,418 Danny, and they like to do their own thing, I mean we never... 671 00:56:28,485 --> 00:56:30,429 Never got into a fight, there was never any argument. 672 00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:33,323 There was never a reason why we stopped talking, it just stopped. 673 00:56:33,389 --> 00:56:37,193 That's it. There's no, there's no rhyme or reason why it ended. 674 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:40,029 I was actually the only one that was invited to the wedding. 675 00:56:40,096 --> 00:56:44,701 And I did not go. By choice, because that's, Diane and I... 676 00:56:44,768 --> 00:56:49,839 Didn't have as close of a bond as we had, and it was upsetting. 677 00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:53,710 And I had, I had my first child already. 678 00:56:53,777 --> 00:56:58,014 And, you know like, Diane wasn't there for that, which was weird. 679 00:56:58,081 --> 00:56:59,616 So... 680 00:57:03,753 --> 00:57:07,257 Excuse me. 681 00:57:07,323 --> 00:57:11,027 Uh, so I think for me, like... 682 00:57:11,094 --> 00:57:18,368 I couldn't take part of this part of her life, without the connection we had. 683 00:57:18,434 --> 00:57:20,770 Yes, so... 684 00:58:18,261 --> 00:58:20,396 I've seen her wear this. 685 00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:40,316 So, we can match the DNA, to my wife. 686 00:58:49,225 --> 00:58:52,762 And if that DNA does match the sample, what, what will come next? 687 00:58:53,863 --> 00:58:56,599 The medical part. Right. 688 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:02,906 That's what I'm waiting for, the medical part of it. 689 00:59:11,614 --> 00:59:14,350 Yeah, so this was '05, four years before. 690 00:59:14,417 --> 00:59:19,122 Grinding teeth, sensitivity to cold, loose teeth and broken fillings... 691 00:59:19,188 --> 00:59:22,091 And tooth pain and jaw difficulty, pain. 692 00:59:22,158 --> 00:59:24,560 Does that say abscess? 693 00:59:24,627 --> 00:59:30,266 I wonder if that was the same tooth that was bothering her afterwards. 694 00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:34,003 You know what's so funny? She'd never even tell people she was going to the dentist. 695 00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:42,445 No, never. Or that, yeah, she was fine, "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine." 696 00:59:45,548 --> 00:59:48,718 Diane was a very private person. 697 00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:50,887 People who knew her... 698 00:59:50,954 --> 00:59:55,291 Said to me, over and over again, that Diane didn't talk about personal matters. 699 00:59:55,358 --> 01:00:01,097 She never articulated feelings about, uh, anybody. 700 01:00:02,632 --> 01:00:05,134 Hi, this is Liz Garbus calling again. 701 01:00:09,405 --> 01:00:10,873 Her mom was like a non-issue. 702 01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:17,347 I don't really think she wanted to interact with her. 703 01:00:17,413 --> 01:00:20,550 She talked about her dad, she adored her dad. 704 01:00:20,616 --> 01:00:24,921 Do we know why her mom left her, her house, the house or left the dad? 705 01:00:25,822 --> 01:00:27,190 I did. 706 01:00:29,092 --> 01:00:31,227 So, you don't, you don't want to talk about her mom? 707 01:00:31,294 --> 01:00:33,763 No. I'm sorry. 708 01:00:35,698 --> 01:00:40,670 I don't even know 100%, the background of the divorce, I just know... 709 01:00:40,737 --> 01:00:43,940 Everybody, all, they were all very angry. 710 01:00:44,007 --> 01:00:46,075 The mother left with the next-door neighbor. 711 01:00:46,142 --> 01:00:47,844 I think it was like a family friend. 712 01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:51,381 But you know, she never complained about it, she never... 713 01:00:51,447 --> 01:00:56,552 Talked about it, like it was as if like, almost like she wasn't even there. 714 01:00:56,619 --> 01:00:59,188 One time, I talked with Diane's mother. 715 01:00:59,255 --> 01:01:02,291 And uh, she said, "I'm not the bad person." 716 01:01:02,358 --> 01:01:05,795 And... Whatever that meant. I don't know, so... 717 01:01:05,862 --> 01:01:11,300 I told, I told that to Diane when they came home and she didn't want no part of it. 718 01:01:11,367 --> 01:01:15,138 Diane's mother reached out, a time and again. 719 01:01:15,204 --> 01:01:20,009 Trying to reconcile, trying to develop a relationship with Diane. 720 01:01:20,076 --> 01:01:21,711 And Diane has brothers! 721 01:01:21,778 --> 01:01:26,749 And Diane's mother had a relationship with her sons, Diane's brothers. 722 01:01:26,816 --> 01:01:29,385 So it was really uniquely Diane... 723 01:01:29,452 --> 01:01:35,425 Who held some kind of unarticulated grudge against her mother. 724 01:01:35,491 --> 01:01:39,629 Parents get divorced, but it's very rare that a nine-year-old-daughter, 725 01:01:39,695 --> 01:01:43,800 would not go for her mother in a divorce, at that particular point in time. 726 01:01:43,866 --> 01:01:49,806 So, Diane herself need to use some denial to go ahead and survive the trauma of being... 727 01:01:49,872 --> 01:01:51,941 Abandoned by her mother at the age of nine. 728 01:01:52,008 --> 01:01:54,644 Of course, it's very painful for a nine-year-old. 729 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:58,214 And I think she had that vulnerability about her. 730 01:02:29,612 --> 01:02:31,047 Okay. 731 01:02:42,558 --> 01:02:49,031 Just based on what Ms. Jackie Hance told me, that this was out of character... 732 01:02:49,098 --> 01:02:53,269 For her sister-in-law not to answer the phone, um... 733 01:02:53,336 --> 01:02:55,481 And also the fact that one of the children had mentioned... 734 01:02:55,505 --> 01:02:58,174 That her aunt wasn't feeling well. 735 01:02:58,241 --> 01:03:03,746 I asked, uh, Mrs. Hance if Diane Schuler had any history of medical problems. 736 01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:07,950 Um, I think I even asked her, you know, if she had any history of drug abuse. 737 01:03:08,017 --> 01:03:10,786 And again, these are questions that I would ask anybody. 738 01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:14,857 And she said, "No." Um, so at that point I kind of treated it... 739 01:03:14,924 --> 01:03:19,162 As an overdue motorist slash possible medical emergency. 740 01:03:19,228 --> 01:03:25,535 Um, but at that point, we were just checking to see if we could locate the van. 741 01:03:27,603 --> 01:03:32,441 There's a number of ways that she can get to the entrance of the Taconic. 742 01:03:32,508 --> 01:03:36,445 She could have gone up 9A and gone across, she could have gone up the Taconic, and... 743 01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:40,683 Simply made a U-Turn. So, how she got to... 744 01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:44,387 That exit ramp, we don't know. 745 01:04:35,605 --> 01:04:38,975 I got a phone call from my brother-in-law, Diane's brother. 746 01:04:41,577 --> 01:04:46,182 Then I uh got my keys, and my brother, and we went upstate. 747 01:04:46,249 --> 01:04:51,120 He asked me if I would take a ride uh with him back upstate. 748 01:04:51,187 --> 01:04:53,155 Because they couldn't find, find Diane. 749 01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:55,725 I was at work. And when I heard... 750 01:04:55,791 --> 01:05:02,632 Jimmy call and say, "Danny's coming over, he needs me, we're going to find Diane." 751 01:05:02,698 --> 01:05:05,635 At that point we just thought she wasn't feeling well. 752 01:05:18,381 --> 01:05:20,850 You don't want to touch that. 753 01:05:24,987 --> 01:05:27,890 This is an area where we set up our, our alcohol levels... 754 01:05:27,957 --> 01:05:32,094 For whatever sample we're testing, so it's blood, urine, brain. 755 01:05:32,161 --> 01:05:34,563 Is this where Diane Schuler's blood alcohol was tested? 756 01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:36,432 Yes. 757 01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:38,768 When we talk about the effect, first, of alcohol... 758 01:05:38,834 --> 01:05:44,206 The frontal lobe of your brain starts to be affected around 0.01 to 0.10 percent. 759 01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:49,979 Diane Schuler had just over 10 drinks in her, at the time that she died. 760 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,083 Her blood alcohol was 0.19 percent... 761 01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:59,755 And the Vitreous humor was 0.23 percent... 762 01:05:59,822 --> 01:06:04,994 And the gastric contents were 0.25 percent alcohol levels. 763 01:06:06,495 --> 01:06:08,497 I'm a psychiatrist, uh... 764 01:06:08,564 --> 01:06:15,237 Trained in general psychiatry, and then did additional training in drugs and alcohol. 765 01:06:15,304 --> 01:06:21,043 Once you start getting over 0.2, then you start getting into alcohol toxicity. 766 01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:26,182 Um, that's the level where people are showing up, needing to show up in the ER. 767 01:06:26,248 --> 01:06:33,022 Uh, becoming unconscious, having blackouts, um, and even going into coma. 768 01:06:33,089 --> 01:06:35,491 And with the marijuana on board... 769 01:06:35,558 --> 01:06:37,827 One and one don't equal two anymore. 770 01:06:37,893 --> 01:06:42,965 Um, they potentiate each other, so then she's got the effect of the marijuana. 771 01:06:43,032 --> 01:06:44,967 As well as the effect of the alcohol. 772 01:06:45,034 --> 01:06:49,138 Alcohol may increase the absorption of the marijuana. 773 01:06:49,205 --> 01:06:55,044 So, that people who drink first may experience, uh, stronger effects. 774 01:06:55,111 --> 01:07:00,449 So, if she wasn't accustomed to drinking and uh, smoking at the same time. 775 01:07:00,516 --> 01:07:04,086 The marijuana affected her so much more than she had anticipated. 776 01:07:04,153 --> 01:07:09,091 And marijuana being a hallucinogen, your cognitive function... 777 01:07:09,158 --> 01:07:13,462 Can get, can deteriorate pretty rapidly. 778 01:07:13,529 --> 01:07:17,700 The THC, which is the active ingredient in marijuana... 779 01:07:17,767 --> 01:07:21,337 Her level was 113 ng/mL. It was very high. 780 01:07:21,404 --> 01:07:24,273 So, we were able to tell based on research that... 781 01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:27,376 She could've smoked anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour... 782 01:07:27,443 --> 01:07:30,079 Before she, uh had this accident. 783 01:07:30,146 --> 01:07:34,283 Marijuana is our number one drug of choice after alcohol, or with alcohol. 784 01:07:34,350 --> 01:07:39,255 Um, it's in fact, it's outpacing alcohol, as being found in drunk drivers... 785 01:07:39,321 --> 01:07:41,457 Throughout the nation, not just here. 786 01:07:41,524 --> 01:07:43,835 One thing that they mention in these things, about the pot. 787 01:07:43,859 --> 01:07:46,438 I mean, what do you make about that? Yeah, that's not true at all. 788 01:07:46,462 --> 01:07:48,130 Not true at all. 789 01:07:48,197 --> 01:07:52,968 On a rare occasion she would, but definitely not that weekend. Absolutely not. 790 01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:56,272 Was it something she used to relax... 791 01:07:56,338 --> 01:07:59,284 Was it something she used for stress, was it something she used for fun, or? 792 01:07:59,308 --> 01:08:03,345 On an occasion, on an occasion to relax. 793 01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:07,883 That's all not true, everything you hear there is not true. 794 01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:10,986 When did she use marijuana? Did she use it when she was at work? Did she... 795 01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:16,258 No, no, it was I think mostly to be able to get a good night's sleep. 796 01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,027 I think it was after everything was done... 797 01:08:18,093 --> 01:08:21,030 Clothes were ironed, laundry's done, kids are in bed, books are read. 798 01:08:21,096 --> 01:08:24,867 Everything was done, and maybe she'd have some before she went to sleep. 799 01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:26,974 It wasn't like you would ever think she, you know... 800 01:08:27,036 --> 01:08:32,775 You'd never look at her and think she smoked pot. But some people do. 801 01:08:32,842 --> 01:08:36,045 Did she ever discuss it with you, like why she took it, or what was the... 802 01:08:36,111 --> 01:08:38,581 No, I just knew that she smoked. 803 01:08:41,417 --> 01:08:45,187 The question is why did she need to use marijuana to help her relax... 804 01:08:45,254 --> 01:08:48,624 To help her go to sleep. What was so painful for her? 805 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,661 There was something in her life which was uncontrollable. 806 01:08:52,728 --> 01:08:55,731 Basically from the age of nine on. 807 01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:58,434 If they cannot control what happened at the time it happened... 808 01:08:58,501 --> 01:09:03,639 They themselves become hyper responsible, tightly wound... 809 01:09:03,706 --> 01:09:07,576 And she was okay as long as she was in control. 810 01:09:07,643 --> 01:09:12,681 Having the history of an early loss or trauma definitely predisposes one... 811 01:09:12,748 --> 01:09:16,886 Toward, you know, both mood disorders and addictive disorders. 812 01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:21,790 So, statistically, she's at risk. 813 01:09:34,937 --> 01:09:38,107 The witnesses I interviewed, um... 814 01:09:38,173 --> 01:09:42,978 Had encountered Diane Schuler's vehicle just prior to the accident. 815 01:09:43,045 --> 01:09:46,048 They were getting off the Pleasantville Road exit... 816 01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:49,618 And they observed her coming at them the wrong way... 817 01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:52,154 Coming down the exit ramp, at Taconic. 818 01:10:01,297 --> 01:10:04,133 It was literally as if we weren't even on the road. Yeah. 819 01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:07,937 She's coming towards us, you know, I mean, I'm blinking my lights... 820 01:10:08,003 --> 01:10:10,506 And beeping the horn and she's flailing... 821 01:10:10,573 --> 01:10:15,411 And we drove up on the grass because otherwise we would have been hit! 822 01:10:15,477 --> 01:10:18,814 She never put on a brake, she never... No. 823 01:10:18,881 --> 01:10:20,749 Even, her eyes didn't even move! 824 01:10:20,816 --> 01:10:25,054 It was just, I'm going where I wanna go, I'm doing what I need to do... 825 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,656 I'm, I'm where I wanna be. Right. 826 01:10:27,723 --> 01:10:32,328 And then she went around the bend, onto the highway itself. 827 01:10:32,394 --> 01:10:35,431 We know that Diane Schuler enters the... 828 01:10:35,497 --> 01:10:38,367 Taconic State Parkway going south in the northbound lane. 829 01:10:38,434 --> 01:10:42,371 Approximately 1.7 miles north of the point of impact. 830 01:10:42,438 --> 01:10:50,212 She drives this 1.7 miles at a high rate of speed, and you have a dozen callers to 911. 831 01:11:09,164 --> 01:11:12,101 It was very surreal, seeing it coming at you, so what you had to do is... 832 01:11:12,167 --> 01:11:13,945 You know, thank god there was nobody on the side... 833 01:11:13,969 --> 01:11:15,771 I was able to go over a couple of lanes. 834 01:11:15,838 --> 01:11:17,840 As the van came by me, and... 835 01:11:17,906 --> 01:11:21,744 I said at the time, 70 miles an hour, because it was speeding right by. 836 01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:23,946 Dead pin straight, like pin straight. 837 01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:26,882 It wasn't doing this, it was dead pin straight. 838 01:11:26,949 --> 01:11:29,952 Right after it happened, that's when I called 911. 839 01:11:52,541 --> 01:11:54,843 You know, I, I just remember saying... 840 01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:59,381 "Oh my God, oh my God!" I was just, you know, trying to... 841 01:11:59,448 --> 01:12:02,985 You know, draw attention to get validation from... 842 01:12:03,052 --> 01:12:06,689 Rich, that maybe something peculiar was there on the road. 843 01:12:06,755 --> 01:12:10,025 My heart was going about, 200 you know beats a minute. 844 01:12:10,092 --> 01:12:15,964 And uh you know just to react quickly get out of the way, and then the car went past us. 845 01:12:16,031 --> 01:12:19,668 It's like playing chicken, I mean, she was going straight on the road. 846 01:12:19,735 --> 01:12:23,472 We saw something coming at us, we reacted, we moved. 847 01:12:23,539 --> 01:12:25,474 She had no reaction at all! 848 01:12:25,541 --> 01:12:28,744 She didn't stop, she didn't slow down, she didn't move. 849 01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:33,582 I thought it was someone who was dead set on killing themselves. 850 01:12:35,584 --> 01:12:37,352 Good afternoon. Hi, Dr Spitz. 851 01:12:37,419 --> 01:12:40,856 I don't know if I can get up here, because I'm all wired. Yeah. 852 01:12:40,923 --> 01:12:42,200 It's very nice to meet you. How are you? 853 01:12:42,224 --> 01:12:44,104 Thank you for making the trip. Nice to meet you. 854 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,128 We appreciate it. 855 01:12:59,274 --> 01:13:02,177 Eh, okay. 856 01:13:03,345 --> 01:13:08,283 The, uh, autopsy report includes, uh... 857 01:13:08,350 --> 01:13:14,156 Chemical analysis, toxicology, and I viewed some, uh... 858 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:20,395 Witness statements and police statements... 859 01:13:20,462 --> 01:13:27,236 And, uh, I gained the impression that the autopsy was done properly. 860 01:13:27,302 --> 01:13:32,107 And was done... well. 861 01:13:35,978 --> 01:13:43,352 So, is there anything that would, based on the autopsy, account for this crash? 862 01:13:43,418 --> 01:13:46,054 Alcohol and marijuana, if you will. 863 01:13:47,723 --> 01:13:52,961 We obviously don't know much about this, but she would not do this. 864 01:13:53,028 --> 01:13:55,264 There's something wrong with this picture. 865 01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:57,900 And, I don't want her being a poster child... 866 01:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,902 For drunk moms, because she would never do that. 867 01:13:59,968 --> 01:14:03,105 You tell me my sister does it, my sister who passed away. 868 01:14:03,172 --> 01:14:07,109 I tell you, "Yes, she probably was drinking, 100%." 869 01:14:07,176 --> 01:14:11,480 But, this just wasn't Diane. This wasn't his wife. 870 01:14:11,547 --> 01:14:15,617 She'd be the very one that would like, yell at us, or kick our butt. 871 01:14:15,684 --> 01:14:17,619 What are we going to do? 872 01:14:17,686 --> 01:14:19,688 I just feel, which... 873 01:14:19,755 --> 01:14:24,793 You know, which is me being my strong opinion, as soon as they saw alcohol... 874 01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:26,061 It was all stopped. 875 01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:28,630 Okay, she was drunk, she was high, that's it. 876 01:14:28,697 --> 01:14:31,600 Categorize that, drunk mom driving with five kids in the car. 877 01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:33,202 What about the abscess tooth? 878 01:14:33,268 --> 01:14:36,371 The which? Abscess tooth. 879 01:14:36,438 --> 01:14:37,906 An abscess tooth. 880 01:14:37,973 --> 01:14:39,541 Could that cause a stroke? 881 01:14:39,608 --> 01:14:41,085 It doesn't necess... Could that cause a stroke? 882 01:14:41,109 --> 01:14:43,278 - Yeah. - In theory, yes. 883 01:14:43,345 --> 01:14:48,517 But based on the autopsy, there is none that I saw on microscopy. 884 01:14:48,584 --> 01:14:53,422 A stroke is something like this. And it doesn't cause alcohol problems. 885 01:14:53,488 --> 01:14:56,491 But, could that reading be a mistake... 886 01:14:56,558 --> 01:14:59,394 Due to other medical conditions that people don't know that she had? 887 01:14:59,461 --> 01:15:04,233 It could, but the question of the alcohol will always prevail. 888 01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:10,539 So, say we exhume the body, and there's a really bad abscess tooth. 889 01:15:11,607 --> 01:15:13,475 We have X-rays, from years ago. 890 01:15:13,542 --> 01:15:15,878 But the question will still prevail... 891 01:15:15,944 --> 01:15:18,547 How could it have caused alcohol in the picture? Maybe... 892 01:15:18,614 --> 01:15:22,985 Maybe she had a stroke and by mistake she thought that was water, and drank it? 893 01:15:23,986 --> 01:15:26,121 We don't, if someone tells us... 894 01:15:26,188 --> 01:15:28,299 We wanna know what physically happened to her, that... 895 01:15:28,323 --> 01:15:31,727 If she did have alcohol in her, did she stop, and... 896 01:15:31,793 --> 01:15:35,597 Be incoherent, and do something medically happened to her, that... 897 01:15:35,664 --> 01:15:37,699 We're even willing to bet... 898 01:15:37,766 --> 01:15:39,968 To say that, but there's no way... 899 01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:43,639 If she was in a right state of mind, that she would go and take that bottle. 900 01:15:43,705 --> 01:15:45,617 So, now if you tell me she was having a stroke... 901 01:15:45,641 --> 01:15:49,511 Or she was hallucinating, or she was this, or she was that, due to an abscess... 902 01:15:49,578 --> 01:15:51,146 We're going to have to live with that. 903 01:15:51,213 --> 01:15:55,751 If she did have an abscess, she could have had such pain... 904 01:15:55,817 --> 01:16:00,956 She takes whatever's available, to alleviate the pain. 905 01:16:01,023 --> 01:16:02,591 Thinking, no, I don't think so. 906 01:16:02,658 --> 01:16:04,068 I think... She wouldn't do it to ease pain. 907 01:16:04,092 --> 01:16:06,212 She'd either have to be not thinking it's water, or... 908 01:16:06,261 --> 01:16:08,864 Well, she's not thinking clearly because she has a tooth abscess. 909 01:16:08,931 --> 01:16:10,933 Right. That's what I'm thinking. Right. 910 01:16:10,999 --> 01:16:18,206 Okay. So, if she had a tooth abscess, what you could do is say to yourself... 911 01:16:18,273 --> 01:16:24,046 She had severe pain, and she had to alleviate that pain, now. 912 01:16:24,112 --> 01:16:26,381 Not in an hour, now. 913 01:16:26,448 --> 01:16:28,350 So, she drank 1.9? 914 01:16:28,417 --> 01:16:30,585 - In 45 minutes? - Well, you know... 915 01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:33,088 That's for someone who drank once a month maybe? 916 01:16:33,155 --> 01:16:36,892 Look, it really doesn't make sense my trying to convince you. 917 01:16:36,959 --> 01:16:41,163 You have to have your satisfaction. 918 01:16:41,229 --> 01:16:44,266 Your satisfaction is only if you're gon... 919 01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:48,136 Is only going to be achieved if you send it to another laboratory. 920 01:16:48,203 --> 01:16:49,371 To redo it. 921 01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:51,006 So, that would be the next step. 922 01:16:51,073 --> 01:16:53,475 That's the only way I know what to tell you. 923 01:16:53,542 --> 01:16:56,445 And then also with, and then with exhuming. 924 01:16:56,511 --> 01:16:58,981 That's the way to go, right? Yep. 925 01:17:00,649 --> 01:17:04,820 It's very frustrating. People have promised us the world. 926 01:17:04,886 --> 01:17:06,931 That they were going to find out, get to the bottom of it. 927 01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:10,058 Retest everything, do this and do that, and nobody has done anything... 928 01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:11,360 It's a year and three months. 929 01:17:11,426 --> 01:17:13,128 You mean, when you say people, you mean... 930 01:17:13,195 --> 01:17:15,073 Our investigator was supposed to get the samples... 931 01:17:15,097 --> 01:17:16,865 And send them to another lab to check DNA. 932 01:17:16,932 --> 01:17:18,300 And he didn't do it? Not... 933 01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,268 We don't know. 934 01:17:20,335 --> 01:17:22,738 That's what we've been asking for. 935 01:17:24,072 --> 01:17:25,707 Right? Yup. 936 01:17:25,774 --> 01:17:31,313 And we do appreciate you looking at everything, and doing this. 937 01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:34,616 Thank you so much. 938 01:17:34,683 --> 01:17:37,052 Yeah, you're welcome. 939 01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:42,290 I, uh, I sincerely hope that you find peace with this. 940 01:17:47,462 --> 01:17:52,901 Five o'clock. I need, like, 100 cigarettes. 941 01:18:04,112 --> 01:18:05,313 So... 942 01:18:09,785 --> 01:18:12,087 Why are you looking at me like that? 943 01:18:15,690 --> 01:18:17,259 You don't feel encouraged? 944 01:18:18,693 --> 01:18:21,096 Did you? 945 01:18:21,163 --> 01:18:23,932 I feel encouraged enough that he's willing to protest it. 946 01:19:02,304 --> 01:19:07,409 Yeah, I was a little surprised of how, they're very, um... 947 01:19:07,476 --> 01:19:11,346 A little surprised that he doesn't think there was an error. 948 01:19:11,413 --> 01:19:13,815 Hopefully, we'll be pleasantly surprised. 949 01:19:16,518 --> 01:19:20,889 No one, like, in my family knows I smoke, so this is gonna... 950 01:19:20,956 --> 01:19:23,191 This is gonna be funny. 951 01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:40,008 Maria speaking. 952 01:19:40,075 --> 01:19:41,443 - I need Therese, please. - Sure. 953 01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:43,111 Thank you. 954 01:19:45,213 --> 01:19:47,249 Therese, come in, please. 955 01:19:47,315 --> 01:19:51,853 I had a conversation with the lab, and they indicated to me... 956 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,657 That, um, Tom Ruskin had sent them the samples... 957 01:19:55,724 --> 01:19:58,026 And that they had given Tom Ruskin results... 958 01:19:58,093 --> 01:19:59,971 But they couldn't give me any further information... 959 01:19:59,995 --> 01:20:01,863 Because that all belonged to Tom Ruskin... 960 01:20:01,930 --> 01:20:04,442 And we would have to go through Tom Ruskin to get that information. 961 01:20:04,466 --> 01:20:06,601 And did we call to get the results? 962 01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:08,603 They won't give it, to who? To Tom Ruskin? Yeah. 963 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,306 We did, that's when we started to place all those phone calls. 964 01:20:11,373 --> 01:20:12,607 He didn't respond to us. 965 01:20:12,674 --> 01:20:15,477 Did he ever send me any samples, letters, anything? 966 01:20:15,544 --> 01:20:19,047 No. We never heard from him about any of that. 967 01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:22,484 The biggest problem I have in this case is what happened with the investigator. 968 01:20:22,551 --> 01:20:24,819 And that's something I have to live with. 969 01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:37,098 So, Danny couldn't call the lab, even though he retained Tom? 970 01:20:37,165 --> 01:20:40,302 That seems crazy, but it seems to be the case. 971 01:20:45,473 --> 01:20:48,143 Hi, I can't pick up your call right now... 972 01:20:48,210 --> 01:20:52,347 So, please at the tone, leave a message and I'll call you back as quickly as I can. 973 01:20:54,249 --> 01:20:59,521 Hi Tom, it's Jay Schuler, um, long time no talk. 974 01:20:59,588 --> 01:21:01,990 I really, really, really need to talk to you. 975 01:21:02,057 --> 01:21:04,993 And I really need you to call me back. Thanks, bye. 976 01:21:11,866 --> 01:21:13,602 There's just so much pushing I can do. 977 01:21:13,668 --> 01:21:18,106 Between taking care of my son, and working, there's just so much I can do. 978 01:21:18,173 --> 01:21:23,311 It's... you know, it's getting old fast. Right. 979 01:21:25,146 --> 01:21:26,681 What's getting old? 980 01:21:26,748 --> 01:21:31,620 Everything. Next interview's gonna be in Alaska somewhere... 981 01:21:31,686 --> 01:21:34,089 So, we can hop on a plane. I'm kidding, but... 982 01:21:34,155 --> 01:21:36,658 It just you know, there's so much I can do. 983 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,763 He has different views, and, it's black and white with him. 984 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:46,034 Very black and white, and he has completely different views about things, and... 985 01:21:46,101 --> 01:21:48,737 You know, he's, I don't get it... 986 01:21:48,803 --> 01:21:51,106 I know it sounds stupid but he's off all day. 987 01:21:51,172 --> 01:21:55,010 You know, you're off all day, you don't even, no offense, you don't even see Bryan. 988 01:21:55,076 --> 01:21:57,521 You bring him to school, you see him for five minutes and you go. 989 01:21:57,545 --> 01:22:01,416 I'm working 14 hours, and then I'm going over there and I'm doing things. Like, I don't... 990 01:22:01,483 --> 01:22:03,995 Understand what you're doing to me. Like, why are you getting crazy? 991 01:22:04,019 --> 01:22:07,088 You're off all day. It's driving me insane. 992 01:22:07,155 --> 01:22:09,667 So, I told him, if this is how it starts, you're going to go back... 993 01:22:09,691 --> 01:22:11,168 You're gonna start working during the day... 994 01:22:11,192 --> 01:22:13,104 And, you're gonna find out what a real working parent feels like. 995 01:22:13,128 --> 01:22:15,063 I said, because you have it made right now... 996 01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:19,234 And he's driving, and everyone is like, waiting to put their foot down about him. 997 01:22:31,646 --> 01:22:33,915 Like, he doesn't realize how he comes off sometimes. 998 01:22:33,982 --> 01:22:36,193 Like, he'll be like, Bryan will be looking at something, he's like... 999 01:22:36,217 --> 01:22:37,919 "Pick, clean it up, come on, let's go." 1000 01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:42,090 And Bryan, he's looking at a picture of Mommy and Erin. 1001 01:22:42,157 --> 01:22:44,326 And he's, and he's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep... 1002 01:22:44,392 --> 01:22:46,404 "Yeah, you're right, I miss them too, blah, blah, blah." 1003 01:22:46,428 --> 01:22:48,296 And, I said, "You don't notice how you sound." 1004 01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:50,323 You don't sound like, "Oh, that's all right Bry... 1005 01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:52,067 "I know you miss them, blah, blah, blah." 1006 01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:54,412 He's like, "What do you mean? That's not going to bring them back." 1007 01:22:54,436 --> 01:22:56,796 "He has to know, this is life, this is the way life is now." 1008 01:22:56,838 --> 01:22:59,874 I'm like, okay, but he can cry... 1009 01:22:59,941 --> 01:23:03,812 You can cry, we can all cry. "What is that gonna do?" 1010 01:23:03,878 --> 01:23:05,947 Well, let him be sad. 1011 01:23:10,752 --> 01:23:13,855 But the only positive thing is that we got Bryan in therapy. 1012 01:23:13,922 --> 01:23:18,259 Because, uh, Bryan was having a very bad meltdown the last month. 1013 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,096 Extremely bad, about Mommy. 1014 01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:22,964 And he doesn't want to hear it, Danny. 1015 01:23:23,031 --> 01:23:26,568 But, I spoke to the pediatrician, and the pediatrician told him. 1016 01:23:26,634 --> 01:23:28,136 "You have to get him enrolled." 1017 01:23:28,203 --> 01:23:30,638 So, we have an appointment tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. 1018 01:23:40,348 --> 01:23:42,259 And I told him he has to work on forgiveness about Diane... 1019 01:23:42,283 --> 01:23:45,920 Because, he does not forgive her at all right now, for what's happened. 1020 01:23:45,987 --> 01:23:48,356 And the reason why he doesn't forgive her is, he said... 1021 01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:50,825 "I never wanted to have kids." 1022 01:23:50,892 --> 01:23:53,628 And this is where I'm left right now. 1023 01:23:53,695 --> 01:23:57,499 And she was supposed to do all this. 1024 01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:00,268 I said, okay, well, it's all right to be pissed at her. 1025 01:24:00,335 --> 01:24:03,138 You know everyone's pissed at her, I said, that's okay. 1026 01:24:03,204 --> 01:24:05,149 I said, but you're going to have to work through it. 1027 01:24:05,173 --> 01:24:09,144 And he's like, "What's there to work through? This is my life. This is it." 1028 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:33,334 There will never be a concrete answer with absolute certainty... 1029 01:24:33,401 --> 01:24:37,472 Which can be given, as to what happened. 1030 01:24:37,539 --> 01:24:41,242 But there are several, you know, plausible hypotheses. 1031 01:24:44,679 --> 01:24:47,048 Is it possible that the day in question... 1032 01:24:47,115 --> 01:24:51,719 She was in so much pain she wanted an analgesics, gel capsules. 1033 01:24:51,786 --> 01:24:53,621 When that wasn't available... 1034 01:24:53,688 --> 01:24:56,391 Could she have just anesthetized her physical pain, by... 1035 01:24:56,458 --> 01:24:59,828 Maybe just taking one drink so she could relax enough... 1036 01:24:59,894 --> 01:25:03,731 To drive, and then she lost control, and she... 1037 01:25:03,798 --> 01:25:06,768 Lost perspective as to how much she was drinking? 1038 01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:11,873 That kind of slippery slope does occur... 1039 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,476 In people who have a deep pain sensitivity... 1040 01:25:14,542 --> 01:25:18,279 Who cannot stand feeling helpless and who feel they need to be perfect. 1041 01:25:18,346 --> 01:25:21,516 And she has had reasons in her life for all three. 1042 01:25:24,686 --> 01:25:31,993 Did she consume an initial small amount in her right mind, not impaired? 1043 01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:34,104 Did she think, because the kids were there, did she... 1044 01:25:34,128 --> 01:25:37,065 Think that she had to get in a lot quickly? 1045 01:25:37,131 --> 01:25:40,568 And misjudged, um... 1046 01:25:40,635 --> 01:25:43,605 And, in fact, shot her blood alcohol concentration up... 1047 01:25:43,671 --> 01:25:46,074 Much higher than she thought it would? 1048 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:48,376 And then, something happened... 1049 01:25:48,443 --> 01:25:51,246 That she then consumed in a way that was... 1050 01:25:51,312 --> 01:25:54,449 Very dangerous and very unlike her. 1051 01:25:54,516 --> 01:25:58,119 You know, there was something beyond intoxication. 1052 01:25:58,186 --> 01:26:01,189 Did she have a florid infection going on? 1053 01:26:01,256 --> 01:26:02,757 Did she have a fever? 1054 01:26:02,824 --> 01:26:09,597 That, combined with the, um, marijuana and alcohol... 1055 01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,668 Could certainly, uh, precipitate a delirium. 1056 01:26:20,308 --> 01:26:24,812 A brain event got triggered, where she was, beyond poor judgment. 1057 01:26:24,879 --> 01:26:26,347 That she was not in her right mind. 1058 01:26:26,414 --> 01:26:29,183 That we don't know what she was thinking, hearing, or feeling. 1059 01:26:37,725 --> 01:26:40,695 Hi, Tom, I do appreciate you calling me back. 1060 01:26:40,762 --> 01:26:42,463 I'll always call you back. 1061 01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:46,267 Yeah, no, I was, um, I'm just, you know what Tom... I'm just so, like... 1062 01:26:46,334 --> 01:26:49,571 I'm just so upset, because I don't know what happened. 1063 01:26:49,637 --> 01:26:51,205 With what? 1064 01:26:51,272 --> 01:26:54,776 All I know, is that when I spoke to Therese, that she said that... 1065 01:26:54,842 --> 01:26:57,211 We needed you to get an approval... 1066 01:26:57,278 --> 01:26:59,914 To say that they can release some things. 1067 01:26:59,981 --> 01:27:02,183 Let's, let's put it this way, all right? 1068 01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:06,654 As I promised Danny, we were tested at the beginning of last year. 1069 01:27:06,721 --> 01:27:09,023 And I devoted my time... 1070 01:27:09,090 --> 01:27:11,859 Because there was no additional moneys... 1071 01:27:11,926 --> 01:27:15,229 But I sent the results to them. 1072 01:27:15,296 --> 01:27:16,564 To Dominic? 1073 01:27:16,631 --> 01:27:19,467 I never even heard back. 1074 01:27:19,534 --> 01:27:22,103 And I called Danny, you... 1075 01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:25,940 Well, I was told not to pick up, because at this point... 1076 01:27:26,007 --> 01:27:29,377 They didn't feel that, they didn't believe that you were doing anything. 1077 01:27:29,444 --> 01:27:33,247 So, whenever that was, I was trying to give you the results of the test. 1078 01:27:36,451 --> 01:27:37,986 I don't know what to do anymore. 1079 01:27:38,052 --> 01:27:44,258 Well, we retested the samples, and it came back the same. 1080 01:27:44,325 --> 01:27:47,996 The toxicology in the autopsy was correct. 1081 01:27:48,062 --> 01:27:50,565 But, can't you see like how confused I am now? 1082 01:27:52,233 --> 01:27:57,705 We'll never know if Diane purposely did this. We'll never know. 1083 01:27:57,772 --> 01:28:01,075 Tom, you know, I'm just like spinning around in circles. 1084 01:28:01,142 --> 01:28:04,045 And I can understand. 1085 01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:05,947 I got one person saying one thing... 1086 01:28:06,014 --> 01:28:07,982 I got another person saying another thing. 1087 01:28:08,049 --> 01:28:10,652 And then I do believe that Diane wasn't drinking... 1088 01:28:10,718 --> 01:28:14,689 And all I wanna do is prove that if she, if there was alcohol, what happened to her? 1089 01:28:14,756 --> 01:28:18,026 All I can tell you is all tests are consistent... 1090 01:28:18,092 --> 01:28:21,396 If Diane had drank and been high that day. 1091 01:28:21,462 --> 01:28:23,707 It's just like overwhelming... So, you just, you tell me... 1092 01:28:23,731 --> 01:28:25,700 You tell me. Listen... 1093 01:28:25,767 --> 01:28:29,437 I've always been straight with you. If, you believe me or not, I can't help that. 1094 01:28:29,504 --> 01:28:32,106 Tom, that's the whole thing, I've always believed you. 1095 01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:36,978 Well, I will tell you one thing further, the DNA was hers. 1096 01:28:39,414 --> 01:28:42,383 So, what am I supposed to do now, Tom? 1097 01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:46,154 You tell me. I mean, I'm I'm returning your call. 1098 01:28:47,555 --> 01:28:49,390 I don't know. 1099 01:29:59,193 --> 01:30:06,167 Diane Schuler drives against traffic for 1.7 miles in the fast lane. 1100 01:30:06,234 --> 01:30:09,203 Never veers, um... 1101 01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:13,541 Seems to have a serene, almost oblivious look on her face... 1102 01:30:15,009 --> 01:30:17,378 And kills eight people. 1103 01:30:17,445 --> 01:30:21,783 The worst accident in recent memory. 1104 01:30:21,849 --> 01:30:24,786 Diane Schuler hits the Bastardi vehicle. 1105 01:30:24,852 --> 01:30:28,389 The Bastardi vehicle then crashes into vehicle number 3. 1106 01:30:28,456 --> 01:30:33,594 And the Schuler vehicle goes off the road, down the hill, rotating... 1107 01:30:33,661 --> 01:30:37,331 And eventually begins to burn. 1108 01:30:41,302 --> 01:30:44,572 A lady was screaming in Spanish, there was kids in the car. 1109 01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,775 So, I went down the hill with this other fellow... 1110 01:30:47,842 --> 01:30:49,419 And we were trying to get the door open... 1111 01:30:49,443 --> 01:30:51,588 The door wouldn't open we couldn't get the sliding door. 1112 01:30:51,612 --> 01:30:53,657 We were looking for the driver, we couldn't find her. 1113 01:30:53,681 --> 01:30:56,417 The car was fully engulfed in the front. 1114 01:31:14,602 --> 01:31:16,437 We were the first ones there. 1115 01:31:16,504 --> 01:31:19,106 And we just kind of circled the car, checking the doors. 1116 01:31:19,173 --> 01:31:21,008 He checked the other side, I checked... 1117 01:31:21,075 --> 01:31:23,177 The driver's side, it was locked. I went around. 1118 01:31:23,244 --> 01:31:29,851 And then, um, ended up breaking the passenger side window to unlock the door. 1119 01:31:31,919 --> 01:31:33,588 We finally got the door open, that... 1120 01:31:33,654 --> 01:31:35,957 Guy that I was with he could open the door... 1121 01:31:36,023 --> 01:31:38,392 And her body fell on top of our legs. 1122 01:31:53,808 --> 01:32:01,582 When she fell out, she, like, rolled into the two of us that were standing there. 1123 01:32:01,649 --> 01:32:05,486 We literally had to step over her to reach in for the kids. 1124 01:32:05,553 --> 01:32:09,223 And then we were just concentrating on getting the kids out of the burning car. 1125 01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:12,827 They were piled on top of each other. 1126 01:32:12,894 --> 01:32:15,029 One of the fellows handed me the girl. 1127 01:32:15,096 --> 01:32:19,634 I laid her down on the grass, put my head on her chest to hear her, I talked to her... 1128 01:32:19,700 --> 01:32:23,404 I prayed to Jesus to help her wake up. 1129 01:32:23,471 --> 01:32:25,840 Please make her wake up. 1130 01:32:27,742 --> 01:32:29,710 She wouldn't wake up. 1131 01:32:43,391 --> 01:32:48,296 At 1:30 p.m., I got a phone call from the traffic management center. 1132 01:32:48,362 --> 01:32:50,398 The traffic was completely stopped. 1133 01:32:50,464 --> 01:32:52,643 I had to drive on the shoulder of the road to get there. 1134 01:32:52,667 --> 01:32:54,902 Damn, son... 1135 01:32:57,605 --> 01:32:59,740 When I got to the scene I saw, uh... 1136 01:32:59,807 --> 01:33:03,044 A minivan which was burned in the median down a hill. 1137 01:33:05,713 --> 01:33:11,118 I also saw two SUVs, northbound, on the, uh, Taconic State Parkway. 1138 01:33:11,185 --> 01:33:14,221 Uh, these vehicles had extensive damage to them. 1139 01:33:14,288 --> 01:33:17,925 Some of the people in the cars got involved and actively tried to help. 1140 01:33:17,992 --> 01:33:22,163 Some were on the phone with 9-11, and um... 1141 01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:25,132 Some were just screaming. The scene was very chaotic. 1142 01:33:35,076 --> 01:33:38,612 I uh, proceeded... 1143 01:33:38,679 --> 01:33:45,252 To look for any other signs of life, from the other victims, and... 1144 01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:48,789 I immediately noticed uh, a little boy. 1145 01:33:50,624 --> 01:33:53,160 Bryan was hurt, he was hurt pretty badly. 1146 01:33:53,227 --> 01:33:56,597 Um, he was combative, he was crying, which is a good sign. 1147 01:33:56,664 --> 01:34:01,168 And um, that's why I um, immediately put him in the first ambulance. 1148 01:34:03,437 --> 01:34:06,907 I didn't even know he was there, but he was underneath everybody. 1149 01:34:06,974 --> 01:34:08,576 Thank God he was underneath. 1150 01:34:11,379 --> 01:34:14,982 Then I went to the top of the hill and I lost it, started crying. 1151 01:34:17,084 --> 01:34:20,721 And I tried to go help the other fellows that were in the car crash. 1152 01:34:24,258 --> 01:34:27,294 And they were dead, I felt all their pulses, they were dead. 1153 01:34:27,361 --> 01:34:29,897 They were hanging... One fellow was hanging out of the car... 1154 01:34:32,767 --> 01:34:37,972 There were some people who did attempt to take pictures of the victims, which um... 1155 01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:42,276 We wouldn't allow. We put sheets up to preserve their dignity. 1156 01:34:42,343 --> 01:34:44,979 It was the only thing we could have done at that point. 1157 01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:48,883 There was no one more to help. 1158 01:35:41,569 --> 01:35:43,537 Jackie sent this card to Evan. 1159 01:35:44,438 --> 01:35:46,373 It says, "Hi Evan. 1160 01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:49,844 "I miss seeing you, Bryan, and your mom, and whole family. 1161 01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:54,582 "Warren and I are broken, but you need to go and have a happy life. 1162 01:35:54,648 --> 01:35:58,119 "By doing this, you will show Bryan that he can do the same. 1163 01:35:58,185 --> 01:36:04,992 "My life ended July 26th, 2009, for whatever reason my purpose for living was taken. 1164 01:36:05,059 --> 01:36:08,162 "When you have children one day, you will understand..." 1165 01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:10,998 "You live and breathe for your kids. 1166 01:36:11,065 --> 01:36:14,835 "Warren is having a hard time, all the women in his life have left him. 1167 01:36:14,902 --> 01:36:16,804 "And he won't let me out of his sight. 1168 01:36:16,871 --> 01:36:20,274 "I pray our pain ends soon, and I can see my girls. 1169 01:36:21,775 --> 01:36:23,377 "Give Bryan a hug and kiss. 1170 01:36:23,444 --> 01:36:27,982 "And know that you are a great person with a lot to give. Love, Jackie." 1171 01:36:42,730 --> 01:36:45,232 Whatever happened in this tragedy... 1172 01:36:45,299 --> 01:36:51,639 There was no evidence that Diane Schuler was a bad person. 1173 01:36:51,705 --> 01:36:55,743 What evidence we have is that she was a very good mom... 1174 01:36:55,809 --> 01:36:57,545 And a very good person generally. 1175 01:36:57,611 --> 01:37:01,015 Maybe a bit too good, a bit of a perfectionist. 1176 01:37:01,081 --> 01:37:05,886 I don't see any evidence that was she did was intentional. 1177 01:37:05,953 --> 01:37:10,858 Given the fact that she was generally someone with very high standards for herself. 1178 01:37:10,925 --> 01:37:13,694 For someone very socially connected... 1179 01:37:13,761 --> 01:37:15,963 She had good protective factors. 1180 01:37:16,030 --> 01:37:18,999 Uh, so even if she found out some horrible news... 1181 01:37:19,066 --> 01:37:23,837 Uh, I don't see it likely that she would kill herself. Especially not in the manner, 1182 01:37:23,904 --> 01:37:26,207 that this tragedy occurred. 1183 01:37:28,442 --> 01:37:30,477 It's hard to imagine, isn't it? That... 1184 01:37:30,544 --> 01:37:34,081 Simple coincidences can be a major tipping point. 1185 01:37:34,148 --> 01:37:36,617 Uh, and can result in a major catastrophe. 1186 01:37:36,684 --> 01:37:40,621 It's not something that we are built as human beings to be able to live with. 1187 01:37:54,435 --> 01:37:56,303 Don't worry, Diane. 1188 01:37:57,805 --> 01:38:02,243 Goodbye Diane, I promised you, I'd take care of Bryan. 108800

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