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[woman reciting]
My son is gay.
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Stands out in a crowd.
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Does his makeup better than I.
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My son is gay and I am proud.
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My son is abused...
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[attacker 1]
Back the fuck off.
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-[man 1] Back the fuck off.
-[man 2] What am I doing?
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[woman]
...by individuals and crowds
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[man 1] Delete that.
Are you fucking dumb? Delete it.
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[woman]
My son is my son.
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My son has your spit
on his face...
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[man 1] Back the fuck off.
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[woman]
Your pint over his head.
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[man 2]
Delete that, delete that!
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[woman]
He walks head held high.
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My son is my son.
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My son bears the marks
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of your fists on his face.
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Carries the scars
from your verbal punches.
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My son is my son
and I am proud.
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This is what happens
on a night out.
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[classical piano playing]
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[piano continues playing]
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[drag 1] It starts with getting
stressed out about the makeup
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because the eye lashes
aren't gluing down properly.
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With some disco music on
and a bit of Prosecco.
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No, not Prosecco
because I can't afford it
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-Ehm...
-Five pounds from Lidl.
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What?
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You left this lidless.
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[drag 2] It's like
a childhood dream basically
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living in a house
where you just play dress up
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and have sleepovers.
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Oh, Disco!
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Beauty blender.
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Every fucking time.
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I'm Tommy, I'm 24
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and then my drag name
is Bimini Bon Boulash.
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And she jumps into the splits
as well all the time.
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There's not much difference
between her
and her character to be honest.
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She's always on the floor,
jumping into the splits,
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picking up honey like--
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[laughter]
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No! Get in your bed.
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Stay!
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Yeah, so I had
thyroid cancer when I was 17
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and then again at 19.
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It did give me this attitude
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of ?I don't give
a fuck anymore.?
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Don't care about making
a fool of myself anymore
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falling over,
or having one of my balls
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hanging out like,
it's all part of it now.
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So I think it's given me
that broader aspect on life
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that has allowed me to do drag.
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I started drag originally
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when I was selling underwear
on Craigslist.
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And then I created
this character called Chuck
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who was like
a masculine character
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so I guess that was
my first experience of drag,
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and then I kind of
from that started
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from doing the lip sync...
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started developing
a female character called Barbs.
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Oh my God,
Disco's had that one.
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Okay. I'm Luke,
I'm 26, aka Camile Leon.
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With the Camile Leon,
it's like the two together
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combine to make this reptilian
X-Men mutant thing
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that is my superhero.
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[laughter]
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She's loving,
she's adorable.
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We've all got a completely
different style of drag.
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It's amazing.
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[woman shouting]
Oh ladies, don't leave!
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You look fantastic.
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[Barbs] We're always
together which is nice.
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That helps the confidence a lot.
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When you walk out the house
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with five or six drag queens
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all stumbling down the road
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it's a really great way
to build confidence.
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[drag] I never really
felt like I belonged.
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So I just kind
of like float around.
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I usually just get ready
on my own.
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I go to the club with Vinny
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and Veto who I live with
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and they don't normally do drag.
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They do now and then
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but I normally
just go in drag on my own
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and then I'll see people there.
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It's really taught me
that you can express yourself
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and not be fearful about it
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and really be unapologetic.
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Because I was always
finding faults with myself
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and finding reasons to be sorry
for things I haven't done.
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And once you learn
to let go of that
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you can really just be you then.
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The thing
I've been so lucky to do
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and a lot of gay people
and drag queens are the same
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you get to choose your friends
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and you get
to choose your family.
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I think that's
so important as well
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'cause I just surrounded
myself with creative people
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from all different aspects
and walks of life.
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[drag] My name is Jack
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but wigs and duck tape later
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I am Jacqui Swallows.
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I am 21, I've been a drag queen
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for coming up three years.
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Three years, shit.
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I was an annoyingly
cocky little kid.
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My sister used
to go to ballet classes
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and I used
to sit there in the show
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and be like, ?I don't think
that was very good.?
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I was probably quite nasty,
I would tell her
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I would do things
better than she did.
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And then my mum said,
"All right then."
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One day and she took me
to ballet classes
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and then I was a ballet dancer
for nearly eight years.
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I went to
The Royal Ballet School
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and then I went
on tour for a while.
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I went on tour with the Royal
Ballet Company, that was cool.
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And so I've always kind
of been a bit performy.
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So I guess drag was kind
of my way back into performing.
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It still baffles me
that my parents were shocked
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when I came out.
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[Jacqui]
No, he's cute to be fair.
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He's got one of those faces
that I'd ride
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like a stolen bike,
ladies and gents.
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Aggressively and feet first.
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Jacqui kind of came about
because...
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as an individual I've always
been someone who enjoys...
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laughing and funny
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and that ridiculously
dirty humor.
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I'm the one that sits
on the Piccadilly line
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and laughs when it says
the train's going to
Cockfosters.
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Just because it's funny.
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So it kind of came about
this kind of...
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this slightly larger
than life old dirty mouth
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kind of Hyacinth Bouquet
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crossed with Samantha
from Sex and the City.
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Which is kind of terrifying
when you think about it but...
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it seems to work.
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[drag]
Fat queer bearded Muslim...
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Child of migrants.
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I am The Nightbus,
that's my drag name.
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I'm a drag queen
based in London.
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I'm a storyteller.
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Initially they were stories
to do with myself,
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whether it's to do
with my identity
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or my mental health
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or how I felt about myself
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in perspective
of the environment I was in.
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As I've gone on over five years
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it's more to do
with telling the stories
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of other people
who don't have an opportunity
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to tell their story.
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* Paki, Paki, Paki,
Paki, Paki, Paki *
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[audience cheers]
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So there are so many things
that I can say...
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in a feminized version of myself
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that I wouldn't be able
to say if I was a boy.
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And that connects a little bit
to also being a boy
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who is Muslim and brown
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and often labelled
as a terrorist
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which has happened quite a lot
throughout my life.
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So my voice doesn't matter
as much as someone else's
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because people will dismiss me
as being either a danger
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or a threat, or somebody
that they don't want
to interact with.
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However if you're
in a feminized version of that
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they will listen to you.
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This is where it connects
with the idea of misogyny
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because it's less threatening,
because it's a female voice
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and I hate that idea
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but the only way
that I can sort of embrace it
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is by championing it.
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-[soft piano]
-[indistinct chat]
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[Barbs] Today we're going
to King's Cross
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to play some piano.
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[piano playing
classical music]]
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Classical music
is still so inaccessible.
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In classical music we're still
having the conversation
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about female composers
and whether or not
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women can compose
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and I think it's disgusting.
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I mean I don't think
classical music is quite--
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the classical music scene is
quite ready yet for drag,
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but I think classical music
as itself has been
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quite queer for a long time.
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But it's not really anything
that's addressed much.
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[piano continues playing]
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So I don't really know
what to expect from today.
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I remember the last time
I played on these pianos
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I ended up spending like an hour
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teaching 5-year old how to play
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?Mary had a Little Lamb'
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which was really cute.
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So that may happen today,
who knows.
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I don't know, hopefully they'll
be like ?Ah that's nice?
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or they might think
it's unusual
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because not every day you see
a drag queen in a wedding dress
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playing piano
on Sunday lunchtime.
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And that's the thing as well,
I'm very used to being
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in the dark or being
in a club setting so...
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And it's nice to show
people outside that setting
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what we do and drag queens
aren't just all vulgar people
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that make
jokes and roll around,
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which is exactly
what I do as well
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but we can do
other stuff as well.
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And also I think it's quite fun
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because a lot of people
don't expect
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a drag queen to be able
to do that sort of things.
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Even a lot of my friends
don't know I play piano,
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so it's always a nice treat
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when I can whip it out
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and show people.
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So I don't know what people
will take from it
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but I think
something positive hopefully.
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[drag]
I always dressed up as a kid
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I was always very big
on dressing up.
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A really significant moment
within my childhood
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is wanting to be a witch,
not like a vampire,
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and my mother
dressing me up as a witch.
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I was very...
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just theatrical,
a very theatrical kid
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quite introverted
but really theatrical.
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I was just always felt
much more...
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drawn or tied to the monsters.
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I thought they were cooler.
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They, they were more interesting
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and the costumes are better
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and I look back now
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and I know that the women
were so much better.
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The villainous female
was just so much cooler
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than the...
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the good getters
or the heroines
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at least in my opinion.
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[Woman] What's your name
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-I'm Barbs.
-[woman] Barbs?
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Yeah, like Barbara.
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[giggles]
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[man] I would think
more like Barbarella.
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Barbarella, yeah that's it.
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That's why you chose it
I assume?
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I love the name Barbara
as well
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[woman] Do you want some help?
I do costumes?
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-Oh, yes please.
-[man] I see what--
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I have ruined this dress.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I'm gonna go to the piano
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if you wanna come see me play.
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Come see me,
in the middle bit.
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I mean hopefully if there's
a little queer out there
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I think they'd find it great
because if I saw someone
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doing that when I was
a bit younger and not out
255
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I think it would've been
really helpful
256
00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,559
and quite cute to see as well.
257
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Especially as well,
doing something like this
258
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it's like young people
can't go to clubs
259
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16-year olds can't go to clubs,
teenagers can't go to clubs.
260
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So, often a lot
of that culture is missed
261
00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,799
until you're a lot later
and then the whole experience
262
00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,159
comes around of getting
fucked or getting drunk.
263
00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,480
So it would be quite nice
to have people
264
00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:40,639
who wouldn't normally see it.
265
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or even
older generations of people
266
00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,200
who may really appreciate
classical music
267
00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,759
but who have never really
seen a drag queen.
268
00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,679
I think maybe it would be quite
nice for them to experience too.
269
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,720
'cause they don't often
get the chance
270
00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,200
to go to a gay bar every weekend
271
00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,679
and see drag queens.
272
00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,480
I think it will be nice
273
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,039
a little Sunday treat.
274
00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:02,240
[objects ruttling]
275
00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,200
Okay, I'll do mascara last.
276
00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,080
[man]
You're very beautiful Barbs
277
00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,600
and I am very much going
to enjoy you playing
278
00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:18,799
[Barbs] I'm a bit nervous.
279
00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,440
For what?
Why are you nervous?
280
00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,879
-[Barbs sighs]
-[man] Just drama
281
00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:25,480
just adding to the drama.
282
00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:29,039
It's changed
what confidence is for me.
283
00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,720
It's empowering,
it's really beautiful.
284
00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:34,679
I have to look inwards
for confidence not outward.
285
00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,240
I don't have to look for
other people's confidence
286
00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,120
which is funny because drag
is all about outward
287
00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,000
and people looking at you,
288
00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:43,399
and that's part
of the big thing of it.
289
00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,799
But in fact it was
absolutely the opposite.
290
00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,399
It was drag changing the inside
291
00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,639
and just the outlook
of what I needed to be
292
00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:52,399
and what I wanted to be.
293
00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,159
You grow up
being told you're wrong
294
00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,679
and then you're
always going to have
295
00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,799
those inner clockworks
that make you feel bad
296
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,879
and mine are particularly nasty.
297
00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,039
I was just brought up
by people
298
00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,720
who weren't completely
ready to be parents
299
00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,000
or didn't have the best
experience themselves
300
00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,360
of parenthood or childhood.
301
00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:12,600
I would never want a child,
302
00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,360
unless I was in a really good
place to have a kid.
303
00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,200
But I think it's just
the culture of that time
304
00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,519
just to have children.
305
00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,200
That's just it,
if you get pregnant
306
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,360
you just have the child.
307
00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:23,679
Which I find maddening
308
00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,399
but I'm a big sissy, you know,
309
00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,799
so what kid am I going
to produce very shortly?
310
00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,399
When my stepfather came along
311
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,200
there was a very big brother
little brother relationship
312
00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,519
kind of I idolized him.
313
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,120
He was cool,
he had a motorbike,
314
00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,080
he was like a big brawny guy
315
00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,879
and my early memories
of him are that
316
00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,000
and then they're two sided
with his aggression
317
00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840
and like him and my mother
violently fighting.
318
00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:53,799
This is!
I made this from scratch.
319
00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,039
This is, I had this--
I was listening to the song
320
00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,440
"Lovefool" by The Cardigans
321
00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:01,559
and I was like,
"This is such a weird song."
322
00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,159
She's so obsessed
323
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840
with being
this fool for this person.
324
00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:08,639
Then I was like,
"Oh she's mad.
325
00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,720
Oh she's absolutely crazy,
she's batshit crazy."
326
00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:14,360
And so I was like,
"What if she's really crazy?"
327
00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,039
I was like, "What if...
328
00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:20,200
Leatherface didn't kill people
but did drag instead
329
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,720
and then later on
killed people?"
330
00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:24,840
I wear this kind of like really
wholesome '50s dress
331
00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:27,879
and I like drop it
and then underneath it is this.
332
00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,039
And then...
333
00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,240
half way through
334
00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,440
the number I take-?
335
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,000
I have a big dummy behind me
336
00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:37,879
and I take it off
337
00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:39,720
and it's like
my boyfriend's face.
338
00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,200
One significant moment
is that I heard them fighting
339
00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,759
and I heard a huge smash
340
00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:49,039
it sounded like somebody
had been thrown into a wall
341
00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960
and there was
a lot of glass I could hear
342
00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,320
and I crawled out of my bedroom,
which was next door to theirs
343
00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,559
and I picked up the phone
and I called 999
344
00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200
and I didn't really know
what to do.
345
00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,399
So I just put the phone down
and then got back into my room.
346
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,440
And obviously 999
called back immediately
347
00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:08,279
and... my mom picks up
348
00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:10,279
and she's like,
"No, nothing's wrong."
349
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,159
And the next day
I was getting ready for school
350
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,759
and she said,
"You're never to call ever
351
00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,679
unless one of us
has like fallen down the stairs"
352
00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,039
I think her example was.
353
00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,799
I remember being really confused
354
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,240
because it was obvious
that there was something wrong.
355
00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,440
It was just like,
that was normal.
356
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000
That was just what was.
357
00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,799
Yeah, it was hard
when you're in that situation
358
00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,200
and you feel like you're nothing
359
00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,679
and you're being told
by your carer
360
00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,799
or at least you're being
made to feel
361
00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,840
like a piece of shit
by your carer.
362
00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,440
And that the other person,
who is your mother
363
00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:45,279
hasn't got the tools
364
00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,039
to help you communicate
what needs to be.
365
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,039
But the end of it was,
we had a massive row
366
00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:53,919
I was just at the end of it
and I packed my car
367
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,519
and I went to stay
with my real dad,
368
00:15:55,559 --> 00:15:56,440
my biological dad.
369
00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:58,759
Two weeks later
the SWAT team came in
370
00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:00,120
and raided the house
371
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,720
and...
372
00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,200
that was
when the court case started.
373
00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,240
[TV anchor] They both denied
their guilt to the end.
374
00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:09,200
[reporter] You got anything
to say Mrs Rogers?
375
00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,000
Anything to say to the victims?
376
00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:13,480
[Woman] They are not guilty.
377
00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,000
They were running
a financial business
378
00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:17,480
which essentially
was a loan business
379
00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,879
a finance business
and they were loaning out money
380
00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,639
at very high interests
in cash to people
381
00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,120
often people who were very
in need of money very quickly
382
00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:26,320
who couldn't pay it back.
383
00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:29,399
Basically the violence
that we were seeing at home
384
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,399
was the same
as what they were getting.
385
00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,639
Though the charges were rape
386
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,320
there was... GBH?
387
00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,480
Grievous bodily harm?
Yeah
388
00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:39,679
And my mother
got dragged into it
389
00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,240
She was working for him and...
390
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,000
she went down
for blackmail I think it was.
391
00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:46,600
I witnessed some bad stuff
he did to people.
392
00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,799
The way he spoke to people
and the things he did.
393
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,039
He was a bully.
394
00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,600
I'm just surrounded
395
00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:53,240
by a lot of kind of chaos.
396
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,200
I think I'm always
tied towards like...
397
00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,000
the dark or like monsters
398
00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,120
or just like anything
that was different
399
00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:03,799
because we were different.
400
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,400
They were different,
I was different.
401
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,480
The reason
I'm so interested in...
402
00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,000
villains and monsters
from an early age is perhaps
403
00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:14,039
I was trying to understand
404
00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,480
the kind of unusual characters
405
00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:20,400
I was around who might look
like villains in some eyes.
406
00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,720
Ooh, didn't see you there.
407
00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,720
But it made me who I was.
408
00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,319
It made me really strong.
409
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,200
I don't know many people
as strong as I am.
410
00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,839
I might be an anxious mess.
411
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,519
I might be depressed
a lot of days
412
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,839
but everything I have,
I built myself
413
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,079
and like where I am today
in my career
414
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,640
all the wonderful things
I've done, I did myself.
415
00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,319
I did this.
416
00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,079
And I'm proud of me.
417
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,440
[Chai Latte] We have talked
about this so many times.
418
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440
[woman on phone] I know.
I don't know where I came out
419
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,880
of the tube so I got off
at Seven Sisters
420
00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,000
[laughing]
Well you got that far
421
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,599
[woman] And I got out
of the train station
422
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,000
and got out into a place
that I've never seen before
423
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,759
and I don't know
how I got there.
424
00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,319
Okay, all right well
we'll see you shortly then yeah?
425
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,240
Just knock on the door loudly.
426
00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:14,000
[woman sighs]
427
00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:16,559
[Matt] So your mum's
never seen you in drag before.
428
00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:17,680
How are you feeling?
429
00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:20,079
Ehm, excited mostly.
430
00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,720
I know I'm not scared
that much
431
00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:25,839
because I know
she'll accept me for whatever.
432
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,880
I feel like it's going to be
a weight lifted because it's--
433
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,640
I've always had
a bit of a distance
434
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,240
between my drag and my mom.
435
00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:34,559
I've always kept
that little bit of distance
436
00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,920
but it 's kind of exciting
because a lot of my drag
437
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,880
and my inspiration
comes from my mom
438
00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:41,640
so it will be like...
439
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,400
where the inspiration
came from almost
440
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,519
those two things
coming together.
441
00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,039
So yeah, big deal.
442
00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:52,799
-[Chai] Hi.
-[Alby giggles]
443
00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:53,839
I'm gonna cry.
444
00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:55,920
[Chai] Why are you gonna cry?
445
00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:58,039
[Alby] Look at you.
446
00:18:58,079 --> 00:18:59,279
[Chai] Ohhh.
447
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,440
-How you feeling?
-Yeah, good.
448
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,480
You look great!
449
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,279
I love your eyes.
450
00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:08,960
Can you do
my makeup for me?
451
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,519
Yes, I can make mamma
a drag queen.
452
00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:13,640
[giggles]
453
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,200
-Ah, you're going to smudge it.
-I won't smudge it.
454
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,519
[indistinct chatter]
455
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,160
[Alby] I just want him
to be able to find his niche.
456
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,359
-Found it, being a woman.
-So, yeah.
457
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,839
So long as he's happy
and excited
458
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,519
and can express himself,
459
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,319
in a way?
460
00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:36,480
where my baby feels happy
461
00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,440
then that's what counts,
isn't it?
462
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,039
Elric grew up watching
"Priscilla Queen of the Desert."
463
00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:45,200
It's one of my favorite films
464
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,759
[laughing] so yeah...
465
00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,440
[laughs]
466
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,119
The inspiration for my drag
comes from my mother
467
00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,400
because growing up
468
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,400
seeing her in these massive
platform tweeny shoes
469
00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,480
and big fluffy hats
470
00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:03,400
that had like tassels
coming down them.
471
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,319
Growing up and seeing
my mom wearing that
472
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,000
and watching her get abused
473
00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:11,759
like not physically
474
00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,359
but verbally from moving cars,
475
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,319
in front of her child...
476
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,720
So to see her doing that
477
00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:21,079
and to still go out the next day
478
00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,480
wearing an even more
ridiculous outfit
479
00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,240
with bright pink hair
or short black and green hair.
480
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,799
To see that, that power
481
00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:32,559
and that not willing to give in,
482
00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,240
is what I draw on when I go out.
483
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,839
What would mamma do?
484
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,200
[Alby] I've been
a firm believer of...
485
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,640
not letting people
put you in a box.
486
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,680
So like he says,
the more people shout at you
487
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,279
the more I used
to dye my hair and stuff
488
00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:51,319
and...
489
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,440
wear my velvet flares and?
490
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240
-[Alby laughs]
-I loved it.
491
00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:57,559
I forgot those.
492
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,599
[Alby] It never affected me
when I was being shouted at,
493
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,839
I never had it to the extent
that Elric says he had it.
494
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,799
I always worried about
the effect it had on Elric
495
00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:08,200
so I was always very
conscious not about myself
496
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,200
but the fact
that people are doing that
497
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,920
to me in front of my child
498
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880
and how he viewed or saw that
499
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,000
and what he would
take away from that.
500
00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:18,519
I didn't ever want him
ever to growing up
501
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,480
feeling that he had to be afraid
502
00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:22,000
of what other people
were saying.
503
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,000
So I just used to say
that they were jealous
504
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,839
[both laugh]
505
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,960
...because they didn't have
the courage to wear
506
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,640
what I was wearing.
507
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,400
I said they probably
looked at it and thought
508
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,000
?That looks really cool
509
00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:35,519
but I haven't got
the guts to wear it
510
00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:37,000
so I'm just gonna
shout at her?.
511
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:38,480
So that's what I used
to tell him
512
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:43,799
and I hoped that that
would help and sink in?
513
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,200
-And now I'm a drag queen.
-And now you're a drag queen.
514
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,400
So it obviously did.
515
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,519
Yeah, it did.
516
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,680
I always wear football socks
with my heels because...
517
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,440
ehm...
518
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,119
when I started I definitely
didn't get paid enough
519
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,920
to be spending a whole night
in heels without any protection
520
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,359
So I would always wear my socks
521
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,759
and it makes
the world of difference.
522
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,000
I try to make everything
as easy as possible
523
00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:14,680
for me in life and...
524
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,640
So I just try and brand myself
on being like a shit drag queen
525
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,680
[giggles]
where I don't really tuck or pad
526
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:28,119
or... wear heels
without sports socks
527
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,119
and then
try to make that my brand
528
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,680
so that I can do--
Oh fuck!
529
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:34,119
Look what I just did.
530
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,160
I'll just cover it up
with some brown.
531
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,680
So as well yeah,
it's a bit of a homage
532
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,279
to my former life.
533
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,880
When I was younger,
when I was at Uni
534
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000
I used to sell used socks
and underwear on Craigslist.
535
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:50,640
I always thought,
"there's money to be made
536
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,319
and if I don't do
it then someone else will
537
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240
and I don't care what they do
with my underwear."
538
00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,359
And also I found it really
really interesting
539
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,039
being part of someone's
most intimate secret
540
00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:03,000
and then for like ten minutes
541
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,039
when I'd meet them
and give them the underwear
542
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,079
and then I leave, that's it.
543
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,759
That's the only interaction
I had with them.
544
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,359
I found it really fascinating
and I kept a little journal
545
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,000
of all the interactions
and people I sold underwear to.
546
00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,240
Taxi drivers,
Uber drivers, teachers...
547
00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,160
I created this guy
who was like super masculine
548
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,359
called Chuck.
549
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,119
So he was like
my first ever...
550
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,599
drag experience or my first time
551
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,000
exploring gender
in terms of performance.
552
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,599
So people liked football socks
553
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,799
or I'd tell people
554
00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,480
that I'd worn the socks
in the gym for ages?
555
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:37,920
which I hadn't.
556
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,599
Yeah, that's what seemed
to sell more
557
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,400
so I was like "Okay, well
I'll create this character."
558
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,680
And then
I became a drag queen.
559
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,160
Because being more feminine
560
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,799
is more fun than being masculine
561
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,319
and the clothes
are nicer as well.
562
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,799
[Camile] Everyone
is a chameleon.
563
00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,559
You know Camile is
just my feminine subconscious
564
00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:01,680
that I bring to life
565
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,279
when Luke's not always needed
566
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,599
but she's given Luke the balls
to do what he does as well
567
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,559
because when I take this off
that was all me
568
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:12,400
you know,
that was all me all along.
569
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,759
Working as a hairdresser
with clients
570
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,359
how just giving someone
a blow dry can set them up
571
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,599
for a whole good day.
572
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:21,640
Obviously your hair
is the first accessory
573
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,000
you wake up with every day
574
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,599
so like being able
575
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960
to give someone
the time and the effort
576
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,400
to give them
that kind of self promotion
577
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,359
and look at themselves
through that whole time
578
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,640
and through this service and go
579
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,279
"You know what?
I'm gonna make it."
580
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Hairdressing grounds me
581
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,200
because I can always
relate to someone.
582
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,519
There's always something
583
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:41,319
that someone's got
that is relatable.
584
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,759
Doing someone's hair
585
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,240
it's not doing the root
of their hair problem
586
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,680
it's getting to the root
of their actual problem.
587
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240
The left frontal cortex
holds a lot of emotions
588
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,559
It's that why people
recede, you know?
589
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,880
Is that why people
have emotional barriers?
590
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,640
It takes a very special skill
and that's my superpower
591
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960
at that root problem,
at that hair
592
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,640
and just make them
feel beautiful
593
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,119
because they are beautiful,
everyone's beautiful.
594
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,640
[gentle music]
595
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:12,559
Throughout the past year
drag has been a great influence
596
00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:16,440
because I didn't do any like
dance training or like acting.
597
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,160
It's nice to work
on the aesthetic
598
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,599
and its nice to work
on what your face can do.
599
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,319
I think it's a good form
of escapism.
600
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,359
It gets rid of those barriers,
601
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,200
barriers that we put up
on ourselves
602
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,920
that we don't realize we have.
603
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,880
Even if we wanna
keep the barriers up
604
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,559
let's just paint them,
or decorate them.
605
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,920
My aesthetic is
606
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,880
to really feminize
who I am as a person
607
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,039
to show myself as a flip side,
my masculine and feminine.
608
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,319
I just put my dial
all the way up to max
609
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,279
and just go, "This is it."
610
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,559
But some people only go to seven
or three and that's fine.
611
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,400
But I have had,
I think, an argument
612
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,039
with probably
every drag queen on the scene.
613
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,960
[indistinct chatter]
614
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,839
Drag drama, which is
a double D not for me.
615
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,000
Margo was telling me
the other day
616
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,000
that she works very hard
from Thursday to Sunday
617
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,000
and gets to sleep
Monday to Wednesday
618
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,599
at least you know
until 2pm in the afternoon
619
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,200
[Camile] This bitch is--
620
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359
Shut up!
You're ruining my story, bitch.
621
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,640
Okay, edit that bit out.
622
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,000
And scene.
623
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,799
I said some
would call that depression
624
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:21,240
but we just call it drag.
625
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,400
Oh wait we, you know what?
626
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,240
Something's wrong
with this community
627
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,720
and it's like we want
to say that our lives
628
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:30,799
are in the best places.
629
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:31,799
At least we can say
630
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:32,920
we do what we get to do--
631
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,359
Oh she's getting sentimental.
632
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,160
We at least get to do
what we really wanna do
633
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,119
and enhance
other people's like emphasis.
634
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,200
We just emphasize,
we just got the stereo player.
635
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,599
Do you know what I mean?
636
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,480
That's what's good,
that's what isn't good--
637
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,039
I just love wearing no clothes.
638
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,960
That's Margo hears
walking down the street
?Fuck off Margo.?
639
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,599
They hate talent,
allergic obviously.
640
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,680
Look at them all.
641
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,799
You know what drag's taught
642
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,160
especially me with Margo?
643
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,480
It's that you learn how to build
644
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:00,000
bridges because you love someone
645
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,160
just as much
as you hate someone--
646
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,759
[laughing]
Are you listening to this?
647
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,160
No, because it is... it is--
648
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,480
It gets me to relieve
some of my sensitivity
649
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,599
because I wouldn't
have been able to hear that
650
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,000
from anyone else's mouth.
651
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,079
But I love it
because it comes from an angle
652
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,200
where I'm striving
for every much position
653
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,559
that we can just excel
with each other.
654
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720
I got lost
in that 9-year essay but--
655
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,519
-Ying yang!
-...I loved it.
656
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:28,960
Ying Yang, up and down,
in and out.
657
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Just the way I like it.
658
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960
I'm here to support
every single person
659
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,599
because every person is unique.
660
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,599
* Everybody have fun,
Yeah, yeah *
661
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,000
A lot of trans women
would not like
662
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:43,599
to be called a drag queen
663
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,400
would not like to be
put into the same category
664
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,839
as a drag queen
because we're very different
665
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,000
but I want to prove
666
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,799
that you can be trans
and visible trans
667
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,079
but also be visibly
in drag as well.
668
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,640
When I first started
to transition
669
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,079
I struggled with maybe
looking like a drag queen
670
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,799
or being confused
as a drag queen
671
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,160
because they are very different
672
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,599
but as much as they're separate
673
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,960
they can be intertwined
674
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
and that's what I like
to try and prove.
675
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,400
I suppose I came on the scene
still struggling with drag
676
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,519
because I really wanted
to do drag but I still felt
677
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,599
that I had transitioned
for a reason
678
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000
so why would I do drag?
679
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,799
I was a freelance
makeup artist at the time
680
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,200
and I was bored of giving people
681
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,559
the opportunity to be amazing
682
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,119
and not giving myself
that opportunity.
683
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920
So I assessed the situation.
684
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
I had met drag queens
685
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,839
and I decided
to just say "fuck it"
686
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,400
and go for it and do it.
687
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,599
It was a total escape
from my own gender
688
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720
and my own worries
about who I am.
689
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,799
When I'm in drag
I'm really not worried
690
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,720
about coming across
as a woman
691
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880
I'm just there to have fun
692
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,799
and sometimes before I did drag
693
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,200
I felt like
when I was going out
694
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,559
I almost was setting myself
a rule book.
695
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,960
How I have to sit,
how I have to talk
696
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,200
how I have to present myself.
697
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Just because you are a man
you don't have to be masculine,
698
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,880
just because you're a woman
you don't have to be feminine.
699
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,799
You don't,
you can do as you please.
700
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,759
We are the voices and faces
of the LGBT community
701
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,440
and I'm proud to say that.
702
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,039
[Envy] My drag character
or personas
703
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,279
will mix and fleet
and the kind of Johnny character
704
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,240
that has many faces
705
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,559
can be any gender,
no gender, can be an alien,
706
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,079
can be a monster, can be
just me wanting to dress up
707
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,920
in some women's clothes
tonight and act sultry.
708
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200
It's multi-gendered,
if non-gendered,
709
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,759
if anything that comes up
in the future
710
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,000
or anything I fancy doing
it's all come like organically.
711
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,960
Ehm...
Sometimes I don't know.
712
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Sometimes I'll be a character
713
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,880
and I don't know
what the gender is.
714
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,640
It's just how it feels.
715
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,279
I think those would probably be
more likely non-gendered.
716
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,079
But the more I go on
717
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,720
and the better skilled
I become in drag
718
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,759
the more I find I can do
more feminine looks
719
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,160
and so there have been
more feminine personas
720
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,279
or facets of this Johnny persona
721
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,039
that comes on when I'm in drag.
722
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,000
And I can create a feminine
or hyper-feminine face.
723
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,839
But I love to make something
that's really sexy ugly
724
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,039
or something
that's really ugly sexy
725
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,559
or... really blur.
726
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,599
It's kind of like
that blurring the lines.
727
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,799
[screaming] I don't know
how to take this anymore
728
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:50,599
I don't know what to do.
Oh my God!
729
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,279
And then that's really fun
to do and it also in?
730
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,599
in a very small sense
that might go
731
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,960
"Wow that person was sexy,
732
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,519
but was also kind of confusing."
733
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,039
And maybe
that's a lesson for them.
734
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:02,240
[people cheering
and applauding]
735
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,640
[Camile] It was like
when I was a kid
736
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,799
all these eyes
would look at me and go
737
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,640
?Oh, okay
something's different.?
738
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,319
When I used to play
Tekken as a kid
739
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,640
I used to love
playing the girl roles.
740
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,559
It was like they were amazing
because they moved better.
741
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,960
You know, the Tekken boys
were just like "punch, punch."
742
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,599
No, I wanna see some like...
743
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,799
hair flips and like dodges,
yeah?
744
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,799
[Jacqui] It's sad that there's
still such a weakness
745
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:39,359
associated with femininity
746
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,599
and embracing
any form of femininity.
747
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,799
We see the divide
between gay guys, between...
748
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:49,000
these camp kind of effeminate
voguing round G-A-Y late twinks
749
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,400
who are feeling their fantasy
750
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,960
and the butch kind
of gym bunnies
751
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,519
that don't want to be
associated with that
752
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,960
because it infringes
on the masculinity
753
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,079
they think they need to perform
and inhabit to be safe.
754
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:03,640
But I think so much
of drag now is...
755
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,920
It's almost like a middle
finger up at what everybody says
756
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,240
you should or shouldn't be.
757
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,359
It works, you know,
758
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,039
because it's not conforming
759
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:13,720
to a set of rules
760
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,400
that people think it should be
761
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,920
and that makes people nervous
762
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,240
when you can't be put
easily in a box.
763
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,480
I think the moment
I popped out my mom
764
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,519
I was never going to be ignored
765
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:27,839
and I would never allow
myself to be ignored
766
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,799
and school was no exception.
767
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:30,920
I was lucky.
768
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,119
Well my school was lucky
769
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,680
to have someone like me there
770
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
'cause I definitely taught them
a good many few things
771
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,319
about being a young gay person
772
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,920
but then also becoming
a young trans person.
773
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,599
I was very feminine.
774
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960
I mean I wore makeup
since I was 13, I would say.
775
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,759
13, 14, pre-transition
I wore makeup.
776
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,480
Because I was back then
a boy wearing makeup
777
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,400
I stuck out like a sore thumb.
778
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,559
However there was girls
wearing makeup in my class,
779
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,480
probably even more
makeup than I was
780
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:02,799
but because I was
the boy wearing makeup
781
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,640
I was the one,
"Wipe that off your face now!"
782
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,119
I was sent to like
the headmaster's office
783
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880
because I was wearing
a BB cream once, you know.
784
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720
I was sent off because I wore
a little bit of blush
785
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,000
turned into bronzer
and then I had a full face
786
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,160
and that was a huge
787
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160
giant explosion of teachers
788
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,480
saying how wrong it was.
789
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,200
And I just sort of walked
in there and said
790
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,680
"I don't have any expectations
791
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,079
I just want a long
792
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,599
and really big
and birthday vibes."
793
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,000
And they sat me down
794
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,720
and they literally just did them
795
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,920
and I was so happy with them.
796
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,640
I mean my nails
have always been extra
797
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,759
but these are
really fucking extra,
798
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:43,200
they're really something else.
799
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,839
Yeah.
800
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
-[Matt] Who's birthday was it?
-Mine.
801
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
-[Matt] When?
-Wednesday actually.
802
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,519
-[Matt] Ah, happy birthday.
-Well, yeah.
803
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,960
When I had come out
as transgender
804
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,599
I was no longer
allowed to go to the boys
805
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,039
but they refused to let me go
into the girls toilet.
806
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,920
That made it
really awkward for me
807
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,079
because I could no
longer comfortably
808
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,599
just do something
as simple as go to the toilet.
809
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,440
I wouldn't take back
all the hardships
810
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,159
that I went through at school
because they have made me
811
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,840
the woman I am today.
812
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,800
[Envy] When drag came along
813
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,400
and I realized
I had this platform
814
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
to really expand
on the ideas of what I do
815
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,199
and I'm still doing it today
816
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,000
I was able to finally
play the villains
817
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:28,559
and play
the psychotic individuals
818
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:33,400
or the twisted individuals
I've always dreamed of playing.
819
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,199
I always idolized in a sense.
820
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,639
Being so overtly queer
821
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840
and so overtly what some people
might call "wrong"
822
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,400
I find really empowering
and kind of anarchical and punk.
823
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719
It gives me a platform
not only to do performances
824
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,360
but kind of like explore
anything within me
825
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,079
that I might not be able
to explore in my day to day
826
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:55,880
with friends or on the street.
827
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,280
Just anything that I wanna feel,
828
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,800
I can feel in drag.
829
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,920
I can draw it up
and I can be it.
830
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Humans transforming
into monsters
831
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,599
or into something else.
832
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,360
I think that comes
833
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,239
through a lot of my--
especially makeup designs
834
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,360
I've always had
this really strong urge
835
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,679
to kind of want to be
something else.
836
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,599
Well maybe as a kid
that's what I felt
837
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,199
and through
this platform of drag
838
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,599
I get to transform
into whatever I want to be.
839
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,599
I get to transform
into something that's strong
840
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,199
or better than life
or better skilled
841
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,119
or had a better shield of armor
842
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:33,400
like any of that.
843
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,679
[Nightbus] If there's something
disarming about being feminine
844
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:41,599
then that's great.
845
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,239
I actually use that
to my advantage
846
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,239
because my drag
can be quite glamourous
847
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,039
or quite beautiful
848
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,559
and you know I pad
and I wear breast plates
849
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,000
and you know
have dresses made and stuff
850
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,599
and people see that and go,
"Oh my God, work."
851
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,000
And then when I'm like,
"Yeah, you know...
852
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,639
Trump's putting
in a Muslim ban."
853
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,480
Or, you know,
"32 people were killed this year
854
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,599
who were trans across the world
855
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,679
and that's just registered
in the UK and the US."
856
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960
And I can do that on stage.
857
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320
So you're disarmed
by the immediate presentation
858
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,840
of something
that's very feminine,
859
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,440
which people see as being
less of a threat anyway
860
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,320
and then I think it has
more of a real impact to go
861
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,559
"This is the form that I am
but this is the story
I'm going to tell you."
862
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,039
[Jacqui] There's something
about being a drag queen
863
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,480
that almost breaks the ice.
864
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,719
There's something humorous
about it anyway
865
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,280
that kind of adds
a bit of a diffuser I guess.
866
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,760
There are so many things
you can get away
867
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,880
with saying as a drag queen.
868
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Part of our job
is to poke fun at things
869
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,599
kind of...
870
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,119
maybe add a bit
of humor to things
871
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,360
that don't necessarily
come with humor
872
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
because what our community,
I guess,
873
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,800
is founded out of slightly
is moving forward
874
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,320
to a kind of equality
and glum kind of feel.
875
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,079
So it's nice to have something
that's entertaining
876
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,440
and a little bit different
that you can make light
out of situations.
877
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,599
If I'm an asshole to you
then it means we're friends.
878
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,320
If I'm nice to you,
fucking panic.
879
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,760
It never ends well
or it ends in sex
880
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,559
which equally, doesn't end well.
881
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,239
[audience laughs]
882
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,480
Really it ends up
in one of the two of us
being disappointed.
883
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,159
It's usually you.
884
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,079
[Johnny] Okay, this is...
885
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840
my, ehm...
886
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,800
Yeah, when I can't store
anything on a shelf
887
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480
or on a rail,
I shove it in here.
888
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,000
So I've got wigs, like,
schoolgirl outfit.
889
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,639
Oh my God, yeah.
Early like...
890
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,559
Nineties school,
little schoolgirl outfit
891
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,599
that I thought was really cute.
[laughs]
892
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,679
Can't bare to let go
893
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,800
and if anyone asks
for a schoolgirl number
894
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,800
I've got the costume, but no.
895
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840
[Carmen] Erm, it's just like
really quintessential drag.
896
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,280
It's a leotard so I can add
things on top of that
897
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,800
but it's just camp as tits,
isn't it?
898
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,800
It's got asymmetrical sleeves
899
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,599
it's taller than I am
and then it's leopard print
900
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:05,199
and I'm not
a fan of leopard print
901
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,559
but there's something
about that kind of? trashy?
902
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:10,400
It's a trashy drag look,
isn't it?
903
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,679
My first ever dress
was a wedding dress
904
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440
and I got it
for a Halloween costume
905
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,079
and was like,
"Oh my God, I love it."
906
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,400
And I wore it as a house dress
for about two months afterwards
907
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,199
and my housemates
were sick of it.
908
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,400
I was just constantly
in this fucking wedding dress.
909
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280
It was like a dressing gown
I wore it everywhere.
910
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:30,599
Whenever I see
a good wedding dress
911
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,000
I'm like, "Whoe yeah
I've got to have that"
912
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,760
until I found
this particular dress in Trade
913
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400
and I got it for eight quid
or four quid
914
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,880
or something
ridiculous
915
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,719
and it was huge
and I had to have it.
916
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
So I got it and it's been
the best thing ever.
917
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Although I keep getting
booked to wear it
918
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,400
and it's really heavy
and really awkward
919
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,480
to carry around.
920
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:57,639
I'm thinking...
921
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,519
It's got lots of ruffles
and it's long.
922
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,880
And we're looking for?
923
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,400
Well a starting point
would be red
924
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,880
anything red because...
925
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,639
that's what the BAFTAs
is all about.
926
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:11,599
It's old Hollywood
927
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,280
but I think you can tipple
a little on old Hollywood
928
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,639
as long as it's glam.
929
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,159
You can't get more fab
than feathers really, can you?
930
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:20,239
A flap...
931
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,199
a spin, wooh!
932
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:25,159
Has movement.
933
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,599
It's kind of hideous
but I love it.
934
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:28,679
[laughs]
935
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,320
I mean, come on!
936
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,559
I can hardly move,
but why would you need to?
937
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920
[laughs]
938
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:39,599
Something like that
is all those layers
939
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,039
and all that movement.
940
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,679
I love chiffon, anything
that moves all by itself
941
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,239
with little to no effort.
942
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,679
[music box tune]
943
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,599
I always like the idea
of a jilted woman
944
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,760
or a woman who's had
lots of husbands
945
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,199
and has gained
all of her wealth from them.
946
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,000
I suppose that it's
because I used to feel
947
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:04,440
quite jilted in my past
948
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,639
so I kind of relate to that.
949
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:11,920
That would be perfect.
950
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,719
It's like a little accoutrement
951
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,360
to the dress for tonight.
952
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,760
I can just imagine how many...
953
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,599
how glorious it looked
to have all the girls lined up
954
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,719
in the same costume
and they all look fab.
955
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,599
This one belonged to Emily,
it's in the boob.
956
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,599
Why do one thing,
when you can do lots of things?
957
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,840
Especially with like style...
958
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,119
and taste...
959
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,519
like I can be a monster
960
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,840
and I can be
a full female bodied woman
961
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400
or as some might say
a suspiciously large woman.
962
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,639
[indistinct]
963
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,400
[music box tune]
964
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Yeah.
965
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,679
Unfortunately not.
966
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,599
[tailor] I think I can pull
a few more for you.
967
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,199
Yeah, honestly,
you're the expert here.
968
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,360
I'm just the drag queen
with the big eyes.
969
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,719
[laughs]
970
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,840
[tailor] Step into.
971
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440
[music box tune playing]
972
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,840
[music box tune continues]
973
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,159
[Matt] Do you do a lot
of drag queen costumes?
974
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,679
To be honest I have to say
975
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,599
a lot of drag queens
can't afford the price
976
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,800
Yeah, it's not the most
well paid industry.
977
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,800
Which is why "Everybody is
talking about Jamie"
and RuPul is brilliant
978
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,400
because they're now
kind of getting more money
979
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320
into the industry, you know.
980
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,639
Well, actually this would fit.
981
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,000
[tailor] Let me
have one more scower.
982
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:46,320
Yeah, of course.
983
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,639
Give this a go
or is that too red?
984
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,079
[tailor] If you saw the lady
that this was made for
985
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,320
you'd never know
this would go on you honestly.
986
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,760
[Envy giggles]
Full of surprises!
987
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,400
Oh that's perfect!
988
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,440
-We do have to tuck, just so--
-[tailor] Yeah.
989
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
[Envy] ...we don't have
our little friend...
990
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Amazing!
991
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,000
[tailor] That's it,
that's your dress for the night.
992
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:18,239
Yes.
993
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:23,239
[lively music]
994
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,239
[Matt] Filming with Shaz.
995
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,760
[Nightbus]
Fuck off, fuck off.
996
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Oh my God,
you look so good!
997
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,199
-[Envy] We're having a bath!
-[Nightbus] Why?
998
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,400
[Envy] We're having a bath
at the BAFTAs.
999
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,639
[Nightbus]
Margo doesn't bathe.
1000
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
-[Bimini indistinctly]
-Disco
1001
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000
He's not listening,
don't care.
1002
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,840
God you look fab.
1003
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,559
[Bimini] We've got
the break now.
1004
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:58,599
[Nightbus] Until when?
1005
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,079
[Margo]
What are you talking about?
1006
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,199
-[Bimini] I'm not in the bath.
1007
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,000
[Envy] Hiyaa.
[Nightbus] Hiyaa.
1008
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,199
[all laugh]
1009
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,719
Full disclosure.
1010
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,199
Margo is just like
1011
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,079
* Only the crumbliest
flakiest chocolate. *
1012
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,239
[Bimini] They are melting.
1013
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,239
You're all ridiculous.
1014
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,239
Where are you?
I'm getting a cab.
1015
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,840
[Bimini]
Tonight I'm performing
1016
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,800
a Tina Turner number
1017
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,199
"Private Dancer".
1018
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,800
Actually when I was younger
I used to hate it
1019
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,199
because it was something
that my parents would play
1020
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,480
and it wasn't cool,
but I loved the song so much.
1021
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280
So tonight
I'm doing it at The Glory.
1022
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,360
It's actually the first place
that I ever performed pole
1023
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,760
and it was actually
the first place
I ever performed
1024
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,159
and they're so great at giving
drag queens an opportunity
1025
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,320
and a chance to get on stage
1026
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,559
and show their art,
show their creativity
1027
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,239
so yeah,
I'm looking forward to it.
1028
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,760
Disco, come on!
1029
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,519
I mean when you first
interviewed me a year ago
1030
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,039
I'd only been doing it
for about six months
1031
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,119
but I'd focused more
on performing
and started doing pole
1032
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,039
and kind of been taking that.
1033
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,440
And elevating and trying
to evolve my drag as well.
1034
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,800
Kind of figuring out
Bimini as a drag queen
1035
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,800
and as a character.
1036
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,480
When you first interviewed me
1037
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,360
I was kind of going
through a bit of a rut
1038
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360
social anxieties
and kind of depression.
1039
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,639
I was teaching yoga
and I had to stop teaching
1040
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,400
because I was going
through a lot of mental health
issues myself.
1041
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,960
To start with it was fine,
1042
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,039
it was just
what everyone was doing.
1043
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,000
I'd moved to London
and it was exciting.
1044
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:39,199
We were taking drugs.
1045
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,719
So I would take
a lot of G, GHB,
1046
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,480
crystal meth, mephedrone,
1047
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:50,239
and just party for days
and days and just keep going.
1048
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,599
You just get wrapped up in it,
caught up in it
1049
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,320
and so many people do.
1050
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,519
So many gay people
and queer people do.
1051
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,360
You grow up
not accepting yourself
1052
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,239
and then you find
acceptance in these people
1053
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,679
and people
are doing these things
1054
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,079
and you think it's normal
and then it's fun,
1055
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,320
but it's not fun when you're on
day five and you haven't slept
1056
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,239
and then it's becoming
a regular thing.
1057
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,840
I remember going to sleep
1058
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,800
and waking up
every hour shaking
1059
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,599
because my body needed it,
my body craved it.
1060
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:20,719
If I hadn't got out
of it when I did
1061
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,800
and deal with the consequences
which came after,
1062
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,199
yeah I would probably be dead.
1063
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,639
Come on.
1064
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,360
I witnessed people
overdosing regularly.
1065
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,199
I used to go under
all the time
1066
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,199
and I never took it
as a big deal.
1067
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000
I remember people
were put off by seeing it
1068
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:41,880
and it never did for me,
it just didn't.
1069
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,480
I just became...
1070
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,480
so used to being
in the situation
1071
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:48,840
and relying on it
1072
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,280
in social situations
to just kind of perk me up.
1073
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,679
And when I did decide to stop,
1074
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,239
my social anxiety
was just completely awful.
1075
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,920
I used to walk
in a room and think
1076
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:00,320
people were talking about me
1077
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,239
that people hated me.
1078
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,000
Now I don't care
if people do hate me
1079
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,000
like whatever
1080
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:09,800
or people talking about me,
1081
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,320
but then it was
such a big thing.
1082
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,280
With drag, when I first
moved to London at 18,
1083
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,119
I started going out in Soho
1084
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,719
and I met drag queens in person
1085
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,440
for probably the first time
1086
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,320
and I remember thinking
"I'd love to do it."
1087
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,079
And I did a form of drag
1088
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,920
but it wasn't anything
I took seriously.
1089
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,119
When I first got back
1090
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:33,599
I think I was back
for about a year
1091
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,800
before I was like,
"No, this is what I wanna do
1092
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,119
and this is what I'm gonna do."
1093
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,239
Then that's when I started
performing.
1094
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:47,639
[Jacqui] We're in my home town.
1095
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,440
We're on the Isle of Wight
1096
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,639
which is bizarre
1097
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,880
considering that,
you know, I grew up here.
1098
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,039
I wouldn't say the Isle of Wight
was stuck for a little while
1099
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,679
but I think we're now starting
to see things move forwards
1100
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,960
on the Isle of Wight
like accepting a big old
1101
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,960
seven foot man
in a wig like me.
1102
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,119
Can you imagine
a gay club in Camp Hill?
1103
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400
It would be amazing
1104
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
So what kind of kick started
Isle of Wight Pride
1105
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,280
was a local MP
for the Isle of Wight
1106
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,280
saying something incredibly
homophobic and disgusting
1107
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,000
and yeah, kind of pride came
around in a response to that.
1108
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,039
It's nice that, as the only gay
kid growing up in the village
1109
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,639
when I was growing up here,
1110
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,320
it's now nice that there's
a huge celebration every year
1111
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,039
and that dogs come to my show.
1112
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,760
It's a rowdy crowd
of 12 tonight, isn't it?
1113
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,079
Good Lord.
1114
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,400
I'm gonna draw this out.
1115
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,800
It kills five minutes
of my hour showtime.
1116
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,760
Ladies and gentlemen!
1117
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:47,239
I just popped a bollock.
1118
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,599
Please welcome to the stage...
1119
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,239
Miss...
1120
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:56,280
Jacqui Swallooowwws!
1121
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,119
Turn it back up, dear!
1122
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,360
[audience cheers and applauds]
1123
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,360
[Jacqui]
I think this kind of show
1124
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,800
is very new
to the Isle of Wight, you know.
1125
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:09,639
It's different, isn't it?
1126
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,760
Different parts of the country,
and well the world.
1127
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,039
They catch onto things
at different times.
1128
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,760
I suppose after a drag
race craze, or after any place
1129
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,199
where they are used to drag
1130
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,239
they have expectations,
they've seen it before
1131
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,920
whereas on the Isle of Wight
everyone thinks I'm great
1132
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,760
because they haven't seen
any better.
1133
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
But no, they're great fun
and they're always up
for a laugh.
1134
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,280
It's nice.
1135
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,440
I have a bit of pride
1136
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,239
that it's nice
to see my hometown
1137
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,760
going "Yeah, this is really cool
and we want more of it."
1138
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,280
[Nightbus track plays]
1139
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,719
* Paki, Paki, Paki,
terrorist, terrorist Paki... *
1140
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,320
[screams and cheering]
1141
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,599
[Nightbus]
Yeah, so I've had abuse
1142
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,039
in drag on the streets
1143
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,639
from cars passing by
1144
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,199
but I also know that I'm
quite ignorant to a lot of it
1145
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,480
because actually even in drag,
1146
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:02,760
although it's quite
a feminine form
1147
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,960
like I do still look
quite manly with a beard
1148
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,400
so I probably get away
with a lot more.
1149
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,960
Also because I'm brown,
people are a little bit...
1150
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,679
skeptical of coming
and saying something to me
1151
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,199
which is quite interesting.
1152
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,920
I've had some abuse
from Asian people in cars
1153
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,559
and it's been about things
like, "Allah will punish you"
1154
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:21,639
and I'm just like...
1155
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,400
"We're not getting
into this right now"
1156
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,840
because we could definitely
1157
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960
have this conversation
for days."
1158
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,199
And then I've had
1159
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,480
some really horrendous things
said to me in Berlin
1160
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,079
when I lived there for a year.
1161
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,159
People asking me how...
1162
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,320
what proportion
of the N word I am,
1163
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,719
which has been quite...
1164
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,599
sort of,
"Did you just say that?"
1165
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,960
and trying to understand
what that means.
1166
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,199
So the abuse has mainly
come from being...
1167
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,920
brown
1168
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,199
and then there's an element
of being queer in there as well.
1169
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,599
[Matt] And how do you deal
with abuse when you get it?
1170
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,360
[sighs]
1171
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,039
I don't really rest on it.
1172
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,000
I think it's about looking
at the wider picture
1173
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:06,679
where that comes from
and where it stems from
1174
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,280
and why people say that.
1175
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,639
It's only when someone
will outwardly say something
1176
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,000
and I feel comfortable enough
to shout at them
1177
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:14,719
because what's
the worst they can do.
1178
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,039
Even if you kill me
that will be on TV
1179
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:18,800
and people will know about that
1180
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,199
and you will never
be the same again
1181
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,800
so you can't do that.
1182
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,039
You're the one who's always
gonna come worse off.
1183
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,440
I don't really shy away
from having arguments
1184
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,519
but I don't like them.
1185
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,280
I'd rather have a conversation.
1186
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,519
But actually, to be honest,
I find it exhausting,
1187
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,199
I find it exhausting
trying to explain
these things to people.
1188
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,320
I don' t need to sit there
and tell you every day
1189
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,000
why I'm not a terrorist
or why Muslims are not all bad
1190
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,599
or why queer people
aren't disgusting.
1191
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,639
* Paki, Paki, Paki *
1192
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,760
[Barbs]
Oh yeah, we got mugged.
1193
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,000
[Camile] We nearly got stabbed.
1194
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:55,400
-[laughs]
-That was in view.
1195
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,679
That was well funny,
we turned--
1196
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,320
We used our drag to advantage
1197
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,000
because it actually
scared them off.
1198
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,760
Yeah.
We were rolling a jazz cigarette
1199
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,920
down the canal in Haggerston...
1200
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,440
These two people came up
and was just like
1201
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,159
?Give us your phone and money"
and we were
1202
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:10,639
?No, not giving that?
1203
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,000
and I had fifty quid cash
in my pocket as well
1204
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:14,480
just did a gig at The Glory,
so I was like,
1205
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:15,840
?No, you're not having that.?
1206
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,599
And then he got this seven inch
hunting knife out
1207
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:19,840
and it was like, "Eugh!"
1208
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,880
especially when you start seeing
1209
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,440
a lot more queer performance
1210
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,039
like things don't shock you
as much
1211
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,079
and when he got this seven inch
hunting knife out
1212
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:28,719
he's not gonna
hack us apart with that.
1213
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,559
"No, still not giving you
my phone and money"
1214
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,159
and then they didn't know
what to do at that point.
1215
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:34,800
-Yeah.
-The other one grabbed me
1216
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,119
and punched me in the face.
1217
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,760
And then we got up
and he, the other one
1218
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,840
just threw me back.
1219
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,360
He'd opened me up
and was like, ?Right.?
1220
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360
All the prosthetic boobs
came out, the fishnet leggings,
1221
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,639
the thong, he was like,
"Oh my God, what's going on?"
1222
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:52,639
Now it's like bulge,
bulge, bulge, bulge.
1223
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:54,000
[laughter]
1224
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:55,840
And then he tried
to get on to Carmen
1225
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,239
and Carmen has
this massive suitcase.
1226
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,599
-She was like "No".
-He tried to grab her suitcase.
1227
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,599
It had makeup in it.
1228
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,079
Carmen,
she's like 6.2 foot, gorgeous,
1229
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,760
just like picked up
her suitcase full of make up
1230
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,639
and was like, ?Fuck off!?
1231
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:12,000
All her possessions.
1232
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:13,920
-And just pelted it.
-Then all of a sudden
1233
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,000
they just started to run
1234
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,360
and we were like
"You better run."
1235
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280
-Yeah it was--
-Would you say that was
1236
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,199
a homophobic attack?
1237
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,599
Oh no,
it was more of a mugging
1238
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,400
but they shat themselves
when they saw us.
1239
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000
[Bimini] I was in Ley Fest,
it was down in Kent
1240
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,760
and there was a guy,
I think he was coked up
1241
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,840
or he was on something
and he was just like
1242
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,079
"What the fuck is that?"
1243
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,400
I was in a bikini,
I looked great
1244
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,800
and he was like,
"What the fuck is that?"
1245
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,719
He was all riled up
and his friends were laughing
1246
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,079
and saying "just leave it"
1247
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,360
and it was,
"Why am I ruining your festival?
1248
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,599
You're at a festival,
just enjoy yourself.
1249
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,960
Don't see the drag queen
1250
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,400
and be like,
"'what the fuck is that?'
1251
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,119
just because you fancy me?"
1252
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:52,559
It says more about them.
1253
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,000
It's like, "Okay then
you have got a problem."
1254
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,239
You're meant to be at a festival
to have fun. What's it about?
1255
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,000
That's all it does when people
give homophobic abuse
1256
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:02,880
it's just like,
"Look at yourself babes."
1257
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,400
And then genders
very black and white
1258
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,360
and very well blue
and pink I guess.
1259
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,280
Like you are told from a young
age what you should do
1260
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960
this is wrong, this is wrong,
so when you do see
1261
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,320
someone playing
with the boundaries
1262
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,400
I think it shocks a lot
of people and intimidates people
1263
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,400
as much as they probably
wouldn't like to admit
1264
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,039
that they feel
intimidated by it.
1265
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,639
Our job is to then determine
okay how do we seed that,
1266
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:28,000
where is that coming from?
1267
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:29,920
And I guess I do that
outside of my job
1268
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,719
in the hair side
of things as well
1269
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,199
like you see it every day
people don't actually know
1270
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,679
who they're looking at
when they see themselves.
1271
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,719
It freaks people out a bit
1272
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,320
but I think that's even more
reason to do it to be honest.
1273
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,119
Every time I see someone getting
attacked for homophobia
1274
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,960
it makes me feel...
In a way it's a form of activism
1275
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,360
It's like I am here,
I am doing this
1276
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,920
and you need to get used
to it, kind of thing.
1277
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,519
I'm not going to stop doing
drag because of it, if anything
1278
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:57,960
I'm going to put
more lashes on, more blusher on
1279
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,199
every single time
someone looks at me funny.
1280
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,400
I went to school
1281
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,639
where we were forced to pray
1282
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:03,840
to God every morning
1283
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,679
and it's like I'm not religious
1284
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,320
so you know,
why is it that all of a sudden
1285
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,840
a child is exposed to drag
and it's a bad thing?
1286
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,079
What is bad is teaching
your children attitudes
1287
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,159
where you don't accept people
1288
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,400
a lot of the thing
I've got out of doing drag is
1289
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,599
how lovely drag queens are
to each other as well.
1290
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,400
Of course you have
the bitchiness as well
1291
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,920
but in general we are a family,
we are a family.
1292
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,559
I would much rather
teach children
1293
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,400
the value of finding
friends and family
1294
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,000
and exploring yourselves
rather than teaching them
1295
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,159
to hate people and be ignorant.
1296
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,840
Of course, I don't think
there's been one drag queen
1297
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,599
that's not had abuse
1298
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,400
whether that be traveling
to the gig
1299
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,079
or going home from the gig
1300
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,400
or in the club itself.
1301
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,880
I think you've got to be doing
something right for people
1302
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,679
to have a go at you
and I've always believed
in that.
1303
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480
They might be across the road
and shout at you
1304
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,280
but you walk straight up to them
1305
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,760
and they nothing to say
to your face
1306
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,880
because they never do.
1307
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,280
Because they have nothing
1308
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,960
to justify themselves with.
1309
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,480
There could be a group
of like what?
1310
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,800
Five young boys?
1311
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,320
But still five of them
1312
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,840
and I'll walk straight up
to them
1313
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,400
and be like, ?What??
1314
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,360
And then they go
all quiet and they're like
1315
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,719
?Oh well I didn't say it,
he said it. Oh no he said it.?
1316
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,159
It doesn't matter which one
of you said it,
1317
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,480
it was one of you,
it was all of you probably,
1318
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:22,519
but now that I'm in front of
you,
1319
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,119
you don't want to say
anything, do you?
1320
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,800
You don't want
to be put in that position
1321
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,159
you don't want
the confrontation.
1322
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,599
I suppose when I'm in drag
I'm more sort of like
1323
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,440
"Yeah, I am.
I am a faggot, I am a tranny,
1324
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,840
I am this, I am that,
because I'm in drag
1325
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,280
and those are my words
1326
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,000
and I'm not going
to give you that power.
1327
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,400
The moment you say
you are the words
1328
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,400
they're shouting you at
1329
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,199
you've taken, you've snatched
that power away from them
1330
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,199
and you've snatched
the opportunity
1331
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,840
for them to poke at you
1332
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,760
and to make that situation.
1333
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,159
Just don't whimper
1334
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,239
and don't panic.
1335
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,760
Because if you show them
the weakness
1336
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,639
then they'll want it more
1337
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,760
and it's a drug
to people like that
1338
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,760
and they want more and more
1339
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,039
and they'd want to see you
get more uncomfortable
1340
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:10,199
and I'd just say,
"Put your headphones in
1341
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,280
sit there like the bad bitch
you know you are
1342
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,840
and just ride it out."
1343
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,880
A funny story,
I was walking back home
1344
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,480
to Whitechapel, walking down
one of the side streets
1345
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,239
I'm in half drag, I've taken
a bit of my drag off
1346
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,719
I'm in boy clothes
1347
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,480
and...
1348
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,599
I've got my headphones in
1349
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:32,679
and I'm probably
listening to some musical
1350
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,000
or some sissy, sissy something
1351
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,880
and I'm having a little jolly
because I'm a little bit drunk
1352
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,920
and a car pulls up
to me and I can hear
1353
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,519
something shouted
behind me
1354
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,039
but I keep walking
because that often happens
1355
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,079
or someone is shouting
at someone in the street.
1356
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,800
And the car pulls up
to me and I realize
1357
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,519
that they've been shouting at me
1358
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,920
and I pull my headphone down
just to catch
1359
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,119
"What the fuck are you,
you fucking faggot?"
1360
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,840
And, I am like...
1361
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,159
[funny voice] "Cool dude,
yeah you caught me
1362
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,000
I'm a faggot, whatever."
1363
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,840
And he reaches down
for something
1364
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,000
and I, you know, I tense
1365
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,039
because I'm ready
for something to be thrown at me
1366
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,639
and he throws and it hits here
1367
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,039
and it's a chocolate cake.
1368
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,679
And it splats, it misses me
1369
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:18,440
and splats against the...
1370
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,480
the shutters next to me
1371
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,719
and I go, I'm just like aghast
1372
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,639
I was like...
1373
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,320
"You threw a chocolate cake
and you missed?"
1374
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400
And then it gets worse.
1375
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,840
He looks at me
and then he's like...
1376
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,840
He reaches down again
1377
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,480
and throws
another chocolate cake
1378
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,000
and misses again,
and I'm like
1379
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,159
"You throw like a girl,
you big faggot!"
1380
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:45,920
Obviously I don't believe
in those things
1381
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,639
but, you know,
I wanna twist his nipple
1382
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,400
I wanna twist his titty
at this point.
1383
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,079
And his, I'm like,
1384
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,599
"You wasted
your chocolate cake"?
1385
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,000
And he's just so angry
with himself
1386
00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,639
and is in such a spat
1387
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,079
that he drives off
and speeds off into the night
1388
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:03,920
and I'm like [applauds]
1389
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,320
"Thank you for that,
that really perked up my night?
1390
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,920
and then I turn around,
1391
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,920
look back and there's
two splats of cake
1392
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,199
slowly slipping down like,
you know, his sense of worth.
1393
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,719
[laughs loudly]
1394
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,079
Fucking idiot,
what a waste of cake.
1395
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,039
[laughs]
1396
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,000
I've been abused
1397
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:31,800
I've been physically assaulted
1398
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,320
five times since March
1399
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,679
twice in one night.
1400
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,800
In nightclubs,
outside of nightclubs
1401
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,199
getting into Ubers.
1402
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:43,519
I've had people spit on me,
1403
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,280
but I've faced them down
every time
1404
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,360
and I win and I carry on
1405
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,119
and I get brighter and louder
1406
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:52,400
and er?
1407
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,159
if? [sniffs]
1408
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,679
if I stop doing it
they win basically.
1409
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,639
That can't happen,
that's not acceptable,
1410
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:01,800
that's not an option.
1411
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,800
So we just had a great night
at Cirque Le Soir.
1412
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,719
It was such a good night,
it was such a high.
1413
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,159
Everyone was getting along
1414
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:16,480
and then,
I said goodbye to everyone
1415
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:17,880
I got on the bus
1416
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,360
I went up to the top, back,
1417
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,199
that's where I always sit,
my favourite seat
1418
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,199
and as soon as I sat down
there were three girls
1419
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,000
who started shouting
1420
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,039
so I put my music in,
blocked them out
1421
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,119
just ignore them,
hope it goes away...
1422
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:35,840
and it didn't.
1423
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,559
They started
throwing stuff at me
1424
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,760
they poured Coca Cola
on my hair
1425
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,400
threw chips at me.
1426
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,159
[attacker] Film me
and see how that goes.
1427
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:46,960
Oh my days!
1428
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,679
It was the words that hurt
1429
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,400
it wasn't just being assaulted
1430
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,960
because I've got thick skin,
I can take it.
1431
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,840
It was the words that they used.
1432
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,800
[Chai] Back the fuck off!
1433
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,199
[attacker 2] Are you fuck--
1434
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Pervert, pedophile...
1435
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,480
-[attacker 1] Chill, chill.
-[attacker 2] Delete that.
1436
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,960
"You're a disgrace,
abomination."
1437
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,239
[indistinct insults]
1438
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,800
You know horrendous, horrible,
1439
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,320
unthinkable... things
1440
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:20,559
and for them to see me
on the same level
1441
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,840
for being positive
and for expressing myself
1442
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:25,880
that was the one
that shook me most.
1443
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,800
[applause]
1444
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,920
"Forty five pairs of eyes
1445
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880
but not one statement
from a witness
1446
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,920
all the footage is out of date
because they acted too late
1447
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,199
so tell me
how do I forgive this?"
1448
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,400
Well I've been bruised you know
1449
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,400
I've bled, that was the worst.
1450
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,199
As anyone does when they're
attacking
1451
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:45,440
another human being
1452
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,400
they don't see
beyond that, you know,
1453
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,199
that's someone's child
they're attacking
1454
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,000
and that's the other aspect.
1455
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:54,440
Someone's brother, sister...
1456
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,159
They just see a target
1457
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,880
-and that's not what they are.
- No.
1458
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,760
I would never not
stand up for myself
1459
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,880
or my friends or my community
1460
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,480
and I feel, especially
if you want to be a drag queen,
1461
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:10,400
that's what the essence
of it, it's the core,
1462
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,760
standing up
1463
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,639
and defying odds and boxes
1464
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,440
and breaking down walls.
1465
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,039
So for me to run
and hide would be
1466
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,559
to me defeat the purpose
of a drag queen.
1467
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,599
So I stand my ground
1468
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:25,440
and then...
1469
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,079
I phone my mum...
and cry.
1470
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,199
Because I'm just so tired
1471
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,599
of having to fight all the time
to be accepted.
1472
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,239
There's relief when I know
he's physically safe
1473
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,440
but I fear each time
the phone goes.
1474
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:44,559
I didn't know.
1475
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:50,639
I should have brought a tissue.
1476
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,119
[both laugh]
1477
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,199
-You've got sleeves.
-No, I haven't.
1478
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:58,199
I fear each time the phone goes
that it's something worse.
1479
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,800
People say to me about
1480
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,760
having my son living in London
1481
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,679
we've got family in America
1482
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:11,119
and their fear is
terrorist attacks
1483
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:15,079
and that's not something
I ever worry about generally
1484
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,719
because my reality
is the day to day fear
1485
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,920
that my son is going
to be abused or beaten
1486
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:25,639
for who he is,
not for hurting people,
1487
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:27,559
but for expressing himself
1488
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,360
in a manner
that makes him happy
1489
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,599
and I fear
every time the phone goes.
1490
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:38,679
But I don't want him to stop.
1491
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:39,519
[both laugh]
1492
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:42,440
I don't want him to stop
1493
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,599
because I don't think
he should stop being
1494
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,320
who he is for anyone.
1495
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,039
Because that just
makes the world a smaller
1496
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,239
and a sadder and darker place.
1497
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,360
Drag is definitely a protest.
1498
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,719
Ehm, it's a protest,
it's subversive, it is...
1499
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,639
[sighs] I mean it feels
1500
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:04,880
so... trite to just say
1501
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,039
?sticking it to the man?
but it really is.
1502
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,039
It's a disruption
1503
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,400
that I think
even in a microcosm like London
1504
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,960
we just take it for granted
that people are liberal
1505
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,599
and understanding
but actually...
1506
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:18,400
the people living in London
1507
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,199
are from so many
different backgrounds
1508
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:21,960
where they haven't been exposed
1509
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,639
to even the slightest bit
of queerness
1510
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:25,960
for them to even see
a drag queen
1511
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,440
especially a brown bearded one
1512
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,199
who's fat and takes up space.
1513
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,639
I think that is a huge
disruption for me.
1514
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,599
I do sort of toy with the idea
1515
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:38,639
of if I do want to perform
for straight audiences.
1516
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:41,440
if I want to be doing something
that's so mainstream
1517
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,639
because one thing
that other people
1518
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,440
who are drag queens
or work within queer circles
1519
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,400
would say is that actually
sometimes it can feel
1520
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,039
like you're preaching
to the converted.
1521
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,559
If you're queer and you're
talking about queer issues
1522
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,239
to queer people then
what are you ultimately doing?
1523
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,599
Yeah you might be
queer but if you're white
1524
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,360
there is an element
of privilege in that
1525
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,960
and I'm going to point that out.
1526
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,920
And that in itself
is a protest, I think.
1527
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,159
Saying ?No, this is
what your normal is
1528
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:08,639
this isn't
the norm of everyone."
1529
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,480
Yeah, I would say
it's a protest
1530
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,239
both in queer circles
and outside in the mainstream.
1531
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,960
People walk away
from my performances
1532
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,119
with their minds
changed about something
1533
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,400
because actually
that's the primary purpose
1534
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,199
I make something to make people
change their minds about it.
1535
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:30,199
And at the same time
it can be a desperate existence
1536
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,320
just doing this day in day out
1537
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,199
and thinking what is the fucking
overall purpose of this?
1538
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:36,800
What am I actually trying to do?
1539
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,400
Am I just doing this
because I want to be famous?
1540
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,639
Shockingly I don't really
enjoy drag in the same way
1541
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:44,679
that I get a thrill
from doing it all the time.
1542
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:48,719
I enjoy being able
to be subversive with it.
1543
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,360
[Bimini]
Yeah I think in the last year
1544
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,119
I've definitely evolved a lot.
1545
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,599
Grown to understand
myself a lot more.
1546
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,679
I'll always carry
that addictive personality
1547
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,639
but now I try to become
addicted to things that I enjoy
1548
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:08,280
like yoga or pole dancing,
or fitness
1549
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,840
and I become obsessive with it.
1550
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,880
For my drive
and what I want to do
1551
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,880
and my ambition
and my creativity
1552
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,639
it's done wonders for it.
1553
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,199
Disco, come on!
1554
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:19,719
Good boy.
1555
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,400
This year something just changed
1556
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,960
and I' ve really worked
my ass off
1557
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,039
this summer performing...
1558
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,360
Done many festivals,
done cruise ships
1559
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,719
and it's been amazing,
and I'm so blessed to be booked
1560
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,239
and I'm blessed to be
1561
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,280
doing something
that I really enjoy doing.
1562
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,199
So pole dancing is something
that I've really always loved
1563
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:43,199
because it's always been...
1564
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,079
kind of soaked
in this femininity.
1565
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,880
Dancers and sensual women,
and...
1566
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,320
strong women as well,
like you've got to be strong
1567
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,360
and you've got
to really work at it
1568
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,159
to be able to build
yourself up on the pole.
1569
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:57,599
I've always aspired to it.
1570
01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:59,280
With yoga it helped,
1571
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,079
they kind of go together,
1572
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,079
even though
they're polar opposites
1573
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:04,599
in what people would expect
1574
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:06,480
they really
do compliment each other.
1575
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,400
I mean you don't often see
1576
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,239
people performing pole anywhere.
1577
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,559
I like bringing
something a bit different
1578
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:16,840
to my performance.
1579
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,639
[dance music]
1580
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:19,519
[audience cheering]
1581
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,039
I don't feel the urge to do
the things I used to do.
1582
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,480
I feel a lot stronger,
I can say no.
1583
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,280
Yeah I can't ever see myself
going down that path
1584
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,079
I think I've worked too hard
to get to where I am now
1585
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,320
for me to slip back
into my old ways.
1586
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,480
[disco music playing]
1587
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,199
It went really well.
1588
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:50,519
The first time I've performed it
1589
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,000
so it's gonna be my new number,
1590
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,000
I really had fun
1591
01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:55,599
and I think everyone else
enjoyed it as well
1592
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,480
which is always good
to get good feedback.
1593
01:06:57,519 --> 01:06:59,639
But it was very impromptu
like no introduction
1594
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,000
just like walk on the stage
and everyone's like
1595
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,840
everyone's looking,
yeah, it was good.
1596
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,760
[disco music]
1597
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,400
[audience cheering]
1598
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,480
[music continues playing]
1599
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:02,400
The power of makeup.
1600
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:06,079
Then a little bit of brown.
1601
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,519
Oh yeah look, gone.
1602
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:11,639
[piano playing]
1603
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,039
For me being in school was never
a place I could be queer.
1604
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:21,800
So for me to now
be visibly femme
1605
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,399
and being in nurseries
and schools is quite nice.
1606
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,199
I went to a really posh
conservatoire and hated it.
1607
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,119
It was amazing
and the education was amazing
1608
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:32,159
but it was just
such an alien world for me.
1609
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:33,520
I love classical music
1610
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,680
but I'm from
a working class family
1611
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,439
and like it's very,
I was always the odd one out
1612
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,079
because I like classical music
and it was really weird
1613
01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:43,720
and I wanna make it
more accessible
1614
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,199
and basically I just want
all of the communities
1615
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,279
I've experienced and met
1616
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,199
through being part
of the queer community
1617
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,199
and artists I've worked with
1618
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,840
drag queens, performers,
poets, strippers,
1619
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,399
I want to include everyone
1620
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,399
within the medium
of classical music.
1621
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,680
So it all kind
of stems from that idea
1622
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,239
of taking things out
of perspective and putting it
1623
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,319
into a place it wouldn't
normally be seen.
1624
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,760
The classism and elitism
and ableism
1625
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,880
around classical music.
1626
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,119
Ehm, I was getting frustrated
1627
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,800
so I started going
to the cabaret scene
1628
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,159
out on the cabaret scene
1629
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:20,199
and I was seeing things
like in pub basements
1630
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:21,600
that were blowing me away
1631
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,399
just made with cardboard
and tinsel
1632
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,720
but the performance
and the passion
1633
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,199
and the emotion behind it all
1634
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,199
was so overwhelming
1635
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,039
so I want to broaden
1636
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:33,720
the audience accessibility
of classical music.
1637
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,800
It's so exclusive.
1638
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,720
So yeah I just want to try
and change that somehow
1639
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,119
in my own little way
and give people the opportunity
1640
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:43,119
to work in classical music,
because I love it,
1641
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,079
and I want
to share that as well.
1642
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,920
Please go mad
for my very good friends
1643
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,880
one of the reasons
that I'm here
on the Isle of Wight so often.
1644
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,600
They're wonderful,
they're talented
1645
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,960
if not slightly sagging
from the waist down.
1646
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,760
Ladies and gentlemen,
please go mad
1647
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,520
for the Camp Hill Coooookies!
1648
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:03,800
So this evening,
some of my good friends
1649
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,000
from the Isle of Wight
1650
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:07,640
a group called
the Camp Hill Cookies
1651
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,159
and they're burlesque
chair dancers
1652
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,760
and they're probably
the campest women
I've ever met.
1653
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,720
They're ladies who--
1654
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,279
Some of them have never
performed in their life
1655
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:19,680
and they come and they do
these classes, and some of it
1656
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,800
is about exercise
and weight loss and all kinds.
1657
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,880
But they perform
and they're absolutely amazing.
1658
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,359
You know if you'd have said
?Oh well there's a drag queen
1659
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,279
performing on Monday night?
people would go ?No.?
1660
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:29,800
And if you told them
there was a group
1661
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,199
of 15, 20 middle aged women
1662
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,600
performing burlesque routines
in a social club
1663
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,760
next to a disused prison
to have fun
1664
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,439
make friends, lose weight,
1665
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,960
you'd say exactly the same thing
1666
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,640
but it's amazing,
they're so talented
1667
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,880
and it's lovely to see
and I resonate with it I guess
1668
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,000
that look of pure joy
of just having fun doing it
1669
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,800
and just thinking balls
to everything else.
1670
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:57,560
[piano plays classical music]
1671
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,800
[applause]
1672
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,000
[Barbs] Oh, thank you.
1673
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:12,800
[man]
Absolutely wonderful ma'am.
1674
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,399
[Barbs] Thank you very much.
1675
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,680
-I'll do another one.
-[man] Oh, thank you very much.
1676
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,239
Ruining the illusion.
1677
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,399
[Matt] I thought it was
all your normal hair.
1678
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,520
Oh really?
1679
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:36,760
I wish.
1680
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,840
-[Matt] It's getting there
-It's getting there
1681
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,119
[Lucas] I was going to say
the colors almost match.
1682
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:43,600
I know! I'm so lucky,
1683
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,720
because that's
a really cheap wig as well.
1684
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,600
Yeah, it's like ยฃ8.99 each.
1685
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,279
I'm very low maintenance.
1686
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,560
-[Matt] Shit drag.
-[giggles] Yeah, shit drag.
1687
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:53,920
-[Matt]
Do you want me to undo it?
1688
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,359
-Yeah.
1689
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,279
[Barbs] I think it is...
1690
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,520
There we go, ta-da.
1691
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,640
[Jacqui sings out of tune]
1692
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:12,439
I should have been a singer.
1693
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,760
[woman sings more out of tune]
1694
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:16,439
You shouldn't of.
1695
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,760
There's nothing more than I love
1696
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,279
than a sing along up here.
1697
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:26,159
[woman] Can I just have
a look at your makeup?
1698
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,640
You can,
I've taken my eyelashes off.
1699
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,399
-[woman] Unfortunately.
-I'm very sweaty.
1700
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,920
[woman] You look so gorgeous.
1701
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,840
[woman] Oh my God.
1702
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,640
[Jacqui] This has become
some sort of weird family
self help group.
1703
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,039
I'm certainly not being paid
enough for this.
1704
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:42,800
[laughs loudly]
1705
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,960
I got grandsons
in their thirties
1706
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,279
and yes, they talk to me
just like that
1707
01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:51,359
and I talk to them back
just like that.
1708
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:52,760
[laughs]
1709
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,800
He uses
all the swear words I do
1710
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,439
and... all the filth.
1711
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,439
I reckon he's gorgeous.
1712
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:05,119
I'm 76 and if I was younger
I would go for it.
1713
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,119
[laughs loudly]
1714
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:09,880
We are the superfans.
1715
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,000
I'll give you my address
so you can do the injunction
1716
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:13,560
when you need to.
1717
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,520
[all laugh]
1718
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,399
-She's not joking.
-I'm not, I'm so not.
1719
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,199
He's probably the only one
1720
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,119
on the island
that we've seen, ever.
1721
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,840
But it's amazing
because we've got quite
1722
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,399
a closed community on the island
so it's something different.
1723
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,159
The island is a bit reserved
1724
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:33,640
and the island needs Jack.
1725
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,239
[Matt] Do you still live
with Tommy and Dan?
1726
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:44,079
No, I don't live with Tommy
and Dan anymore.
1727
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,920
So many big personalities
in a house.
1728
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,359
It was beautiful,
we had all these ideas.
1729
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,760
Tommy taught me
so much about discipline.
1730
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,399
While I was living
there I just felt...
1731
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,680
"This is a really good
opportunity."
1732
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,960
There's so many people that...
1733
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:04,840
have so many things around them
that we can build on.
1734
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,720
But it wasn't really teaming.
1735
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,800
It was just like,
you had a gig, this had a gig,
1736
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,479
Tommy had a gig,
Dan had a gig
1737
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,840
and we couldn't live
in a house together as well
1738
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800
and not become family.
1739
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,399
Come on darling,
come on Barbs, get that down.
1740
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,199
And that's where I learned,
1741
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:27,439
where my family weren't
so supportive of the drag.
1742
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,960
They always have my back
in some sort of sense.
1743
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,960
Whereas the drag family at 66
1744
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,399
didn't always have my back
1745
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,600
but they were supportive
of my drag
1746
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,960
and I had to balance that out
between two families
1747
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,039
and it wasn't
like Luke was in one place
1748
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:43,520
and Camile was in the other.
1749
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,000
Every time I go back home
it's a little bit more warmer.
1750
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,000
Me, my sister...
and my two nieces.
1751
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:52,880
It's like my sister
doesn't want them
1752
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,720
to see anything
that I do like that.
1753
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,680
I need to come as an educator
if I'm going to do anything
1754
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,079
because when the kids grow up
1755
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:00,840
they're going to go to school
1756
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,359
with it, that, this, she, him.
1757
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,800
I don' t want them to feel
like they're like I was
1758
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,279
very sheltered and very shelled,
1759
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:11,800
because it takes years
1760
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,119
and I think it's going
to take a few more years
1761
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,840
until I can completely come out
1762
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,640
because its not just coming out
1763
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,720
as a gay sexual,
bisexual or whatever I am
1764
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,399
masculine, feminine,
1765
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,920
trans, you know, "it",
like this.
1766
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:34,079
If I can do it round them
1767
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:36,000
if I can be who I am
around them
1768
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:37,399
then I can be myself
around anyone.
1769
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,520
I would cry, it would
overwhelm me so much.
1770
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,239
That's where I get to
in my dreams
1771
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:45,000
if something makes me
feel that much
1772
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:46,680
it means I want it that bad.
1773
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,199
It's just the fact
that I want to be able to sing
1774
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:52,840
and be able
to not be scared of this.
1775
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,079
This is the worst thing I fear
and I have to get through it.
1776
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:57,680
If I don't get through it
1777
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,119
I'm not going to find that peace
that I was looking for.
1778
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,560
-[soft music]
-[car engine revs]
1779
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,640
[Chai] So we are
at Byline Festival
1780
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000
which is a poetry,
1781
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,119
literature and music festival.
1782
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:10,920
I've been partying
1783
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,439
doing drag,
because I stopped drag
1784
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,239
for a little bit
before the last interview
1785
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:17,199
due to the abuse
I was receiving
1786
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,000
and it sort of gave me a refuel
1787
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:21,880
after doing this a year ago.
1788
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,880
Since then
I've hosted at Homehouse
1789
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,199
which is the fashion house ball
1790
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:29,520
which I did for New Years Eve,
and then Amsterdam
1791
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,239
and then we've done
performances together as well
1792
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,039
spoken word
which I've done in drag
1793
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:36,439
so yeah, this will be
my first drag performance.
1794
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,119
-I think I've grown a lot.
-[Alby] Yeah.
1795
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:41,800
I think you've become
a lot more confident
1796
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,359
and I think you've learned a lot
about yourself through drag.
1797
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:48,800
Who you are and the persona
1798
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,760
you want to present to the world
1799
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,640
and how you wish
other people to perceive you.
1800
01:17:56,279 --> 01:17:59,880
There will always be people
who don't have the same opinions
1801
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,399
or perceptions, and that's okay
for people to have that.
1802
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,079
It's when they attack
your child multiple times.
1803
01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:07,439
That doesn't leave you.
1804
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,239
[presenter]
She is the most wonderful star
1805
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:13,399
sometimes called Chai Latte,
1806
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,000
sometimes called Skinny Latte,
1807
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:17,319
sometimes just Latte with Cream.
1808
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,199
[Chai] Bricking it mate.
Oh my god, I'm shitting it.
1809
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:23,399
But I 'm also just so excited.
1810
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,319
This will be the first time
I've rapped the poems.
1811
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:31,199
It's a pro-drag queen,
pro-femme.
1812
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:33,119
It's about being different
1813
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:36,079
and not accepting
the responsibility
1814
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:38,840
of other people's thoughts
and views
1815
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,199
in their small mindedness.
1816
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:42,399
[soft music]
1817
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,000
[rapping]
* Desert sands over London *
1818
01:18:48,039 --> 01:18:49,399
* Cast a crimson sky *
1819
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,000
* I saw a mother pointing *
1820
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:52,600
* Covering her daughter's eyes *
1821
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,399
* I walked right by
in my rose gold satin thigh *
1822
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,079
* Highs they,
They said it was a sign... *
1823
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,159
[Chai] Fucking exhilarating
1824
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:06,920
and nerve wrecking
and emotional.
1825
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,560
I can't describe the feeling
you know, it was great.
1826
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,640
To be able to get
to that stage of your life
1827
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,279
where you can get up
on stage in front of people
1828
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:16,600
and perform your own work
1829
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:19,800
it's been
like a five year journey
1830
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,760
that's culminated now
1831
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,800
and I can't describe
how proud I am of myself.
1832
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,600
It's great.
1833
01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:29,680
You've got to remember
is gender is learned
1834
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,760
and what we're doing is
un-learning it
1835
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,039
breaking it down.
1836
01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:35,159
Making it
what we want it to be
1837
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,279
and not what somebody
tells us it should be
1838
01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:39,399
If you're masculine
you've got to be angry
1839
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,479
or if a woman's angry
it's seen very differently
1840
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,880
It's in everything,
marketing, advertising,
1841
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,000
it's male and female,
it's split up
1842
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:48,960
so it's just
getting rid of that.
1843
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,680
[Barbs]
I often have people thinking--
1844
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,960
mistaking me
for being trans or something
1845
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,920
and it's like, "No, this
is all a performance
1846
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,079
this is all a character"
1847
01:19:56,119 --> 01:19:59,159
but it also allows
me to go out of the house
1848
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,399
and explore my gender fluidity
a bit more.
1849
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,399
It's a really great way
to build confidence.
1850
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,159
You know it takes a lot of guts
1851
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,279
to go outside in drag
in day time.
1852
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,119
I think it's very important
to be visible.
1853
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,439
[Camile] A lot of people
wear masks all day
1854
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,640
they work their 9-5,
they don't come out
of that mask.
1855
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:18,840
Even though you don't change
1856
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,199
people change around you
1857
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,399
because they have to adjust
to what they see
1858
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,640
[Bimini]
Putting on a wig and a heel
1859
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:25,760
you feel invincible.
1860
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:26,960
As ridiculous as it sounds
1861
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,439
but it's more like a mask
1862
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:32,800
[Camile] You go into it thinking
that the fear comes from you,
1863
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,279
but the fear
is coming from them.
1864
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,520
[Barbs]
And it does have a benefit
1865
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,920
especially for 15, 16,
17, 18 year olds
1866
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,239
who grow up in small town
and are not exposed to this.
1867
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:45,039
Especially to being queer
1868
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:46,800
which is different
to being gay
1869
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,800
so you know
I think it's really important
1870
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,039
in that kind of setting.
1871
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,279
I have a lot of hope
for the generations below us.
1872
01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:58,079
I think there's so much
happening now already.
1873
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:00,039
[Camile] They're going to be
like our X-men.
1874
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:02,600
[Barbs] Brilliant,
so they're going
1875
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,960
to pave the way
for the generations after them,
1876
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,159
It will always be changing
and developing
1877
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:10,439
so I think in that sense
it will always be relevant.
1878
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,359
We're all odd.
That's what makes us all even.
1879
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:16,279
[giggles] Yeah, yeah.
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