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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,480 [woman reciting] My son is gay. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,839 Stands out in a crowd. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,240 Does his makeup better than I. 4 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:11,320 My son is gay and I am proud. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,880 My son is abused... 6 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:16,480 [attacker 1] Back the fuck off. 7 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:18,960 -[man 1] Back the fuck off. -[man 2] What am I doing? 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,879 [woman] ...by individuals and crowds 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,640 [man 1] Delete that. Are you fucking dumb? Delete it. 10 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:26,239 [woman] My son is my son. 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,679 My son has your spit on his face... 12 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,119 [man 1] Back the fuck off. 13 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,119 [woman] Your pint over his head. 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,799 [man 2] Delete that, delete that! 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,159 [woman] He walks head held high. 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:42,960 My son is my son. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 My son bears the marks 18 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:47,640 of your fists on his face. 19 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:51,119 Carries the scars from your verbal punches. 20 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,039 My son is my son and I am proud. 21 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:56,119 This is what happens on a night out. 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,240 [classical piano playing] 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,040 [piano continues playing] 24 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:30,840 [drag 1] It starts with getting stressed out about the makeup 25 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:33,200 because the eye lashes aren't gluing down properly. 26 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,400 With some disco music on and a bit of Prosecco. 27 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:37,359 No, not Prosecco because I can't afford it 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,319 -Ehm... -Five pounds from Lidl. 29 00:01:39,359 --> 00:01:40,359 What? 30 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:43,359 You left this lidless. 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,359 [drag 2] It's like a childhood dream basically 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,599 living in a house where you just play dress up 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,159 and have sleepovers. 34 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:53,439 Oh, Disco! 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,840 Beauty blender. 36 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:56,760 Every fucking time. 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,040 I'm Tommy, I'm 24 38 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,799 and then my drag name is Bimini Bon Boulash. 39 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:05,239 And she jumps into the splits as well all the time. 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,520 There's not much difference between her and her character to be honest. 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,120 She's always on the floor, jumping into the splits, 42 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:12,400 picking up honey like-- 43 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,039 [laughter] 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,199 No! Get in your bed. 45 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,599 Stay! 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Yeah, so I had thyroid cancer when I was 17 47 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:23,759 and then again at 19. 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,120 It did give me this attitude 49 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:26,719 of ?I don't give a fuck anymore.? 50 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,240 Don't care about making a fool of myself anymore 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,360 falling over, or having one of my balls 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,400 hanging out like, it's all part of it now. 53 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:36,240 So I think it's given me that broader aspect on life 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,639 that has allowed me to do drag. 55 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,159 I started drag originally 56 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,599 when I was selling underwear on Craigslist. 57 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,960 And then I created this character called Chuck 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,319 who was like a masculine character 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,800 so I guess that was my first experience of drag, 60 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,639 and then I kind of from that started 61 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,080 from doing the lip sync... 62 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,240 started developing a female character called Barbs. 63 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,439 Oh my God, Disco's had that one. 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,199 Okay. I'm Luke, I'm 26, aka Camile Leon. 65 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:18,240 With the Camile Leon, it's like the two together 66 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,360 combine to make this reptilian X-Men mutant thing 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,800 that is my superhero. 68 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:26,800 [laughter] 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,240 She's loving, she's adorable. 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,479 We've all got a completely different style of drag. 71 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:34,319 It's amazing. 72 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,120 [woman shouting] Oh ladies, don't leave! 73 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,000 You look fantastic. 74 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:40,680 [Barbs] We're always together which is nice. 75 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:41,840 That helps the confidence a lot. 76 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:43,159 When you walk out the house 77 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:44,680 with five or six drag queens 78 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:46,159 all stumbling down the road 79 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:48,560 it's a really great way to build confidence. 80 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,000 [drag] I never really felt like I belonged. 81 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:53,199 So I just kind of like float around. 82 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,680 I usually just get ready on my own. 83 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:57,000 I go to the club with Vinny 84 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:58,400 and Veto who I live with 85 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:00,159 and they don't normally do drag. 86 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:01,439 They do now and then 87 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:04,080 but I normally just go in drag on my own 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,120 and then I'll see people there. 89 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,639 It's really taught me that you can express yourself 90 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,199 and not be fearful about it 91 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,840 and really be unapologetic. 92 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:18,319 Because I was always finding faults with myself 93 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,040 and finding reasons to be sorry for things I haven't done. 94 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:24,800 And once you learn to let go of that 95 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,279 you can really just be you then. 96 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,199 The thing I've been so lucky to do 97 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,480 and a lot of gay people and drag queens are the same 98 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,439 you get to choose your friends 99 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,879 and you get to choose your family. 100 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,199 I think that's so important as well 101 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,319 'cause I just surrounded myself with creative people 102 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,319 from all different aspects and walks of life. 103 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:46,360 [drag] My name is Jack 104 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:48,279 but wigs and duck tape later 105 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:49,759 I am Jacqui Swallows. 106 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,160 I am 21, I've been a drag queen 107 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,480 for coming up three years. 108 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:56,519 Three years, shit. 109 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,279 I was an annoyingly cocky little kid. 110 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:00,920 My sister used to go to ballet classes 111 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:02,720 and I used to sit there in the show 112 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:04,720 and be like, ?I don't think that was very good.? 113 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:06,519 I was probably quite nasty, I would tell her 114 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,040 I would do things better than she did. 115 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:09,639 And then my mum said, "All right then." 116 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,800 One day and she took me to ballet classes 117 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,120 and then I was a ballet dancer for nearly eight years. 118 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,600 I went to The Royal Ballet School 119 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:18,680 and then I went on tour for a while. 120 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,240 I went on tour with the Royal Ballet Company, that was cool. 121 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,399 And so I've always kind of been a bit performy. 122 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:25,720 So I guess drag was kind of my way back into performing. 123 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,199 It still baffles me that my parents were shocked 124 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,399 when I came out. 125 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,000 [Jacqui] No, he's cute to be fair. 126 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,600 He's got one of those faces that I'd ride 127 00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:35,519 like a stolen bike, ladies and gents. 128 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,639 Aggressively and feet first. 129 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,759 Jacqui kind of came about because... 130 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,759 as an individual I've always been someone who enjoys... 131 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,240 laughing and funny 132 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,040 and that ridiculously dirty humor. 133 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,399 I'm the one that sits on the Piccadilly line 134 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:53,800 and laughs when it says the train's going to Cockfosters. 135 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,199 Just because it's funny. 136 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,240 So it kind of came about this kind of... 137 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,600 this slightly larger than life old dirty mouth 138 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:05,240 kind of Hyacinth Bouquet 139 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,800 crossed with Samantha from Sex and the City. 140 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Which is kind of terrifying when you think about it but... 141 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,360 it seems to work. 142 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,639 [drag] Fat queer bearded Muslim... 143 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,360 Child of migrants. 144 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:24,319 I am The Nightbus, that's my drag name. 145 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,079 I'm a drag queen based in London. 146 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,800 I'm a storyteller. 147 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,519 Initially they were stories to do with myself, 148 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,800 whether it's to do with my identity 149 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,319 or my mental health 150 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,199 or how I felt about myself 151 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:39,800 in perspective of the environment I was in. 152 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,639 As I've gone on over five years 153 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,399 it's more to do with telling the stories 154 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:45,759 of other people who don't have an opportunity 155 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,399 to tell their story. 156 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:50,240 * Paki, Paki, Paki, Paki, Paki, Paki * 157 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:54,639 [audience cheers] 158 00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:58,240 So there are so many things that I can say... 159 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,519 in a feminized version of myself 160 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,120 that I wouldn't be able to say if I was a boy. 161 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,399 And that connects a little bit to also being a boy 162 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:10,600 who is Muslim and brown 163 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,800 and often labelled as a terrorist 164 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:14,879 which has happened quite a lot throughout my life. 165 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,399 So my voice doesn't matter as much as someone else's 166 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:21,040 because people will dismiss me as being either a danger 167 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:23,240 or a threat, or somebody that they don't want to interact with. 168 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,639 However if you're in a feminized version of that 169 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,839 they will listen to you. 170 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,560 This is where it connects with the idea of misogyny 171 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,959 because it's less threatening, because it's a female voice 172 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,120 and I hate that idea 173 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:36,680 but the only way that I can sort of embrace it 174 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,199 is by championing it. 175 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,800 -[soft piano] -[indistinct chat] 176 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:49,519 [Barbs] Today we're going to King's Cross 177 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,839 to play some piano. 178 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:52,240 [piano playing classical music]] 179 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,879 Classical music is still so inaccessible. 180 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 In classical music we're still having the conversation 181 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:09,600 about female composers and whether or not 182 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:11,199 women can compose 183 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,000 and I think it's disgusting. 184 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:15,839 I mean I don't think classical music is quite-- 185 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,199 the classical music scene is quite ready yet for drag, 186 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,079 but I think classical music as itself has been 187 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,759 quite queer for a long time. 188 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,639 But it's not really anything that's addressed much. 189 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,240 [piano continues playing] 190 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,240 So I don't really know what to expect from today. 191 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,240 I remember the last time I played on these pianos 192 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:37,720 I ended up spending like an hour 193 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:38,840 teaching 5-year old how to play 194 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:39,840 ?Mary had a Little Lamb' 195 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:41,080 which was really cute. 196 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,639 So that may happen today, who knows. 197 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:51,039 I don't know, hopefully they'll be like ?Ah that's nice? 198 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,440 or they might think it's unusual 199 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:57,200 because not every day you see a drag queen in a wedding dress 200 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,440 playing piano on Sunday lunchtime. 201 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,440 And that's the thing as well, I'm very used to being 202 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,799 in the dark or being in a club setting so... 203 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,000 And it's nice to show people outside that setting 204 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:14,879 what we do and drag queens aren't just all vulgar people 205 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:18,200 that make jokes and roll around, 206 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,200 which is exactly what I do as well 207 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:22,399 but we can do other stuff as well. 208 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,039 And also I think it's quite fun 209 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,639 because a lot of people don't expect 210 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:30,279 a drag queen to be able to do that sort of things. 211 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,799 Even a lot of my friends don't know I play piano, 212 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,559 so it's always a nice treat 213 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,519 when I can whip it out 214 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,039 and show people. 215 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,480 So I don't know what people will take from it 216 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:44,200 but I think something positive hopefully. 217 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,399 [drag] I always dressed up as a kid 218 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,120 I was always very big on dressing up. 219 00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:51,679 A really significant moment within my childhood 220 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,799 is wanting to be a witch, not like a vampire, 221 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,759 and my mother dressing me up as a witch. 222 00:09:57,799 --> 00:09:59,879 I was very... 223 00:09:59,919 --> 00:10:01,919 just theatrical, a very theatrical kid 224 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,919 quite introverted but really theatrical. 225 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,360 I was just always felt much more... 226 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,000 drawn or tied to the monsters. 227 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,480 I thought they were cooler. 228 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:16,799 They, they were more interesting 229 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,559 and the costumes are better 230 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,360 and I look back now 231 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,200 and I know that the women were so much better. 232 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,080 The villainous female was just so much cooler 233 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,879 than the... 234 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:29,639 the good getters or the heroines 235 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,120 at least in my opinion. 236 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:33,399 [Woman] What's your name 237 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,519 -I'm Barbs. -[woman] Barbs? 238 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Yeah, like Barbara. 239 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,759 [giggles] 240 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,200 [man] I would think more like Barbarella. 241 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Barbarella, yeah that's it. 242 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,159 That's why you chose it I assume? 243 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:46,240 I love the name Barbara as well 244 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:49,200 [woman] Do you want some help? I do costumes? 245 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 -Oh, yes please. -[man] I see what-- 246 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,240 I have ruined this dress. 247 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,360 Thank you. 248 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:01,200 Thank you. 249 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,720 I'm gonna go to the piano 250 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:06,159 if you wanna come see me play. 251 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,039 Come see me, in the middle bit. 252 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:11,200 I mean hopefully if there's a little queer out there 253 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,399 I think they'd find it great because if I saw someone 254 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,440 doing that when I was a bit younger and not out 255 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:19,679 I think it would've been really helpful 256 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,559 and quite cute to see as well. 257 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,399 Especially as well, doing something like this 258 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,600 it's like young people can't go to clubs 259 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:29,279 16-year olds can't go to clubs, teenagers can't go to clubs. 260 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,759 So, often a lot of that culture is missed 261 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,799 until you're a lot later and then the whole experience 262 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,159 comes around of getting fucked or getting drunk. 263 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,480 So it would be quite nice to have people 264 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:40,639 who wouldn't normally see it. 265 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,399 or even older generations of people 266 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,200 who may really appreciate classical music 267 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,759 but who have never really seen a drag queen. 268 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,679 I think maybe it would be quite nice for them to experience too. 269 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,720 'cause they don't often get the chance 270 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,200 to go to a gay bar every weekend 271 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,679 and see drag queens. 272 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,480 I think it will be nice 273 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,039 a little Sunday treat. 274 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:02,240 [objects ruttling] 275 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,200 Okay, I'll do mascara last. 276 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,080 [man] You're very beautiful Barbs 277 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,600 and I am very much going to enjoy you playing 278 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:18,799 [Barbs] I'm a bit nervous. 279 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,440 For what? Why are you nervous? 280 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,879 -[Barbs sighs] -[man] Just drama 281 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:25,480 just adding to the drama. 282 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:29,039 It's changed what confidence is for me. 283 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,720 It's empowering, it's really beautiful. 284 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:34,679 I have to look inwards for confidence not outward. 285 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,240 I don't have to look for other people's confidence 286 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,120 which is funny because drag is all about outward 287 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,000 and people looking at you, 288 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:43,399 and that's part of the big thing of it. 289 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,799 But in fact it was absolutely the opposite. 290 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,399 It was drag changing the inside 291 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,639 and just the outlook of what I needed to be 292 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:52,399 and what I wanted to be. 293 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,159 You grow up being told you're wrong 294 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,679 and then you're always going to have 295 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,799 those inner clockworks that make you feel bad 296 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,879 and mine are particularly nasty. 297 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,039 I was just brought up by people 298 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,720 who weren't completely ready to be parents 299 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,000 or didn't have the best experience themselves 300 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,360 of parenthood or childhood. 301 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:12,600 I would never want a child, 302 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,360 unless I was in a really good place to have a kid. 303 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,200 But I think it's just the culture of that time 304 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,519 just to have children. 305 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,200 That's just it, if you get pregnant 306 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,360 you just have the child. 307 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:23,679 Which I find maddening 308 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,399 but I'm a big sissy, you know, 309 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,799 so what kid am I going to produce very shortly? 310 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,399 When my stepfather came along 311 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,200 there was a very big brother little brother relationship 312 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,519 kind of I idolized him. 313 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,120 He was cool, he had a motorbike, 314 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:40,080 he was like a big brawny guy 315 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,879 and my early memories of him are that 316 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,000 and then they're two sided with his aggression 317 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840 and like him and my mother violently fighting. 318 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:53,799 This is! I made this from scratch. 319 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,039 This is, I had this-- I was listening to the song 320 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,440 "Lovefool" by The Cardigans 321 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:01,559 and I was like, "This is such a weird song." 322 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,159 She's so obsessed 323 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 with being this fool for this person. 324 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:08,639 Then I was like, "Oh she's mad. 325 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,720 Oh she's absolutely crazy, she's batshit crazy." 326 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:14,360 And so I was like, "What if she's really crazy?" 327 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,039 I was like, "What if... 328 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:20,200 Leatherface didn't kill people but did drag instead 329 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,720 and then later on killed people?" 330 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:24,840 I wear this kind of like really wholesome '50s dress 331 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:27,879 and I like drop it and then underneath it is this. 332 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,039 And then... 333 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,240 half way through 334 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,440 the number I take-? 335 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,000 I have a big dummy behind me 336 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:37,879 and I take it off 337 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:39,720 and it's like my boyfriend's face. 338 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,200 One significant moment is that I heard them fighting 339 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,759 and I heard a huge smash 340 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:49,039 it sounded like somebody had been thrown into a wall 341 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,960 and there was a lot of glass I could hear 342 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,320 and I crawled out of my bedroom, which was next door to theirs 343 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,559 and I picked up the phone and I called 999 344 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200 and I didn't really know what to do. 345 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,399 So I just put the phone down and then got back into my room. 346 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,440 And obviously 999 called back immediately 347 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:08,279 and... my mom picks up 348 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:10,279 and she's like, "No, nothing's wrong." 349 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,159 And the next day I was getting ready for school 350 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,759 and she said, "You're never to call ever 351 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,679 unless one of us has like fallen down the stairs" 352 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,039 I think her example was. 353 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,799 I remember being really confused 354 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,240 because it was obvious that there was something wrong. 355 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,440 It was just like, that was normal. 356 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 That was just what was. 357 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,799 Yeah, it was hard when you're in that situation 358 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,200 and you feel like you're nothing 359 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,679 and you're being told by your carer 360 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,799 or at least you're being made to feel 361 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,840 like a piece of shit by your carer. 362 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,440 And that the other person, who is your mother 363 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:45,279 hasn't got the tools 364 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,039 to help you communicate what needs to be. 365 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,039 But the end of it was, we had a massive row 366 00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:53,919 I was just at the end of it and I packed my car 367 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,519 and I went to stay with my real dad, 368 00:15:55,559 --> 00:15:56,440 my biological dad. 369 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:58,759 Two weeks later the SWAT team came in 370 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:00,120 and raided the house 371 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,720 and... 372 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,200 that was when the court case started. 373 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,240 [TV anchor] They both denied their guilt to the end. 374 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:09,200 [reporter] You got anything to say Mrs Rogers? 375 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,000 Anything to say to the victims? 376 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:13,480 [Woman] They are not guilty. 377 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,000 They were running a financial business 378 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:17,480 which essentially was a loan business 379 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,879 a finance business and they were loaning out money 380 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,639 at very high interests in cash to people 381 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,120 often people who were very in need of money very quickly 382 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:26,320 who couldn't pay it back. 383 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:29,399 Basically the violence that we were seeing at home 384 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,399 was the same as what they were getting. 385 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,639 Though the charges were rape 386 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,320 there was... GBH? 387 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Grievous bodily harm? Yeah 388 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:39,679 And my mother got dragged into it 389 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,240 She was working for him and... 390 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,000 she went down for blackmail I think it was. 391 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:46,600 I witnessed some bad stuff he did to people. 392 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,799 The way he spoke to people and the things he did. 393 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,039 He was a bully. 394 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,600 I'm just surrounded 395 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:53,240 by a lot of kind of chaos. 396 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,200 I think I'm always tied towards like... 397 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,000 the dark or like monsters 398 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,120 or just like anything that was different 399 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:03,799 because we were different. 400 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,400 They were different, I was different. 401 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,480 The reason I'm so interested in... 402 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,000 villains and monsters from an early age is perhaps 403 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:14,039 I was trying to understand 404 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,480 the kind of unusual characters 405 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:20,400 I was around who might look like villains in some eyes. 406 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,720 Ooh, didn't see you there. 407 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:26,720 But it made me who I was. 408 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,319 It made me really strong. 409 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,200 I don't know many people as strong as I am. 410 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,839 I might be an anxious mess. 411 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,519 I might be depressed a lot of days 412 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,839 but everything I have, I built myself 413 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,079 and like where I am today in my career 414 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,640 all the wonderful things I've done, I did myself. 415 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,319 I did this. 416 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,079 And I'm proud of me. 417 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,440 [Chai Latte] We have talked about this so many times. 418 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440 [woman on phone] I know. I don't know where I came out 419 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,880 of the tube so I got off at Seven Sisters 420 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,000 [laughing] Well you got that far 421 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,599 [woman] And I got out of the train station 422 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,000 and got out into a place that I've never seen before 423 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,759 and I don't know how I got there. 424 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,319 Okay, all right well we'll see you shortly then yeah? 425 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,240 Just knock on the door loudly. 426 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:14,000 [woman sighs] 427 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:16,559 [Matt] So your mum's never seen you in drag before. 428 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:17,680 How are you feeling? 429 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:20,079 Ehm, excited mostly. 430 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,720 I know I'm not scared that much 431 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:25,839 because I know she'll accept me for whatever. 432 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,880 I feel like it's going to be a weight lifted because it's-- 433 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,640 I've always had a bit of a distance 434 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,240 between my drag and my mom. 435 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:34,559 I've always kept that little bit of distance 436 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:37,920 but it 's kind of exciting because a lot of my drag 437 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,880 and my inspiration comes from my mom 438 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:41,640 so it will be like... 439 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,400 where the inspiration came from almost 440 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,519 those two things coming together. 441 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,039 So yeah, big deal. 442 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:52,799 -[Chai] Hi. -[Alby giggles] 443 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:53,839 I'm gonna cry. 444 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:55,920 [Chai] Why are you gonna cry? 445 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:58,039 [Alby] Look at you. 446 00:18:58,079 --> 00:18:59,279 [Chai] Ohhh. 447 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,440 -How you feeling? -Yeah, good. 448 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,480 You look great! 449 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,279 I love your eyes. 450 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:08,960 Can you do my makeup for me? 451 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,519 Yes, I can make mamma a drag queen. 452 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:13,640 [giggles] 453 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,200 -Ah, you're going to smudge it. -I won't smudge it. 454 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,519 [indistinct chatter] 455 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,160 [Alby] I just want him to be able to find his niche. 456 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,359 -Found it, being a woman. -So, yeah. 457 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,839 So long as he's happy and excited 458 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,519 and can express himself, 459 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,319 in a way? 460 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:36,480 where my baby feels happy 461 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,440 then that's what counts, isn't it? 462 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,039 Elric grew up watching "Priscilla Queen of the Desert." 463 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:45,200 It's one of my favorite films 464 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,759 [laughing] so yeah... 465 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,440 [laughs] 466 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,119 The inspiration for my drag comes from my mother 467 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:55,400 because growing up 468 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,400 seeing her in these massive platform tweeny shoes 469 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,480 and big fluffy hats 470 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:03,400 that had like tassels coming down them. 471 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,319 Growing up and seeing my mom wearing that 472 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,000 and watching her get abused 473 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:11,759 like not physically 474 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,359 but verbally from moving cars, 475 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,319 in front of her child... 476 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,720 So to see her doing that 477 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:21,079 and to still go out the next day 478 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,480 wearing an even more ridiculous outfit 479 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,240 with bright pink hair or short black and green hair. 480 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,799 To see that, that power 481 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:32,559 and that not willing to give in, 482 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,240 is what I draw on when I go out. 483 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,839 What would mamma do? 484 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,200 [Alby] I've been a firm believer of... 485 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,640 not letting people put you in a box. 486 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,680 So like he says, the more people shout at you 487 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,279 the more I used to dye my hair and stuff 488 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:51,319 and... 489 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,440 wear my velvet flares and? 490 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 -[Alby laughs] -I loved it. 491 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:57,559 I forgot those. 492 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,599 [Alby] It never affected me when I was being shouted at, 493 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,839 I never had it to the extent that Elric says he had it. 494 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,799 I always worried about the effect it had on Elric 495 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:08,200 so I was always very conscious not about myself 496 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,200 but the fact that people are doing that 497 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,920 to me in front of my child 498 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880 and how he viewed or saw that 499 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,000 and what he would take away from that. 500 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:18,519 I didn't ever want him ever to growing up 501 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,480 feeling that he had to be afraid 502 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:22,000 of what other people were saying. 503 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,000 So I just used to say that they were jealous 504 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,839 [both laugh] 505 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,960 ...because they didn't have the courage to wear 506 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,640 what I was wearing. 507 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,400 I said they probably looked at it and thought 508 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,000 ?That looks really cool 509 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:35,519 but I haven't got the guts to wear it 510 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:37,000 so I'm just gonna shout at her?. 511 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:38,480 So that's what I used to tell him 512 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:43,799 and I hoped that that would help and sink in? 513 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,200 -And now I'm a drag queen. -And now you're a drag queen. 514 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,400 So it obviously did. 515 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,519 Yeah, it did. 516 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,680 I always wear football socks with my heels because... 517 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,440 ehm... 518 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,119 when I started I definitely didn't get paid enough 519 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,920 to be spending a whole night in heels without any protection 520 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,359 So I would always wear my socks 521 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,759 and it makes the world of difference. 522 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,000 I try to make everything as easy as possible 523 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:14,680 for me in life and... 524 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,640 So I just try and brand myself on being like a shit drag queen 525 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,680 [giggles] where I don't really tuck or pad 526 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:28,119 or... wear heels without sports socks 527 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,119 and then try to make that my brand 528 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,680 so that I can do-- Oh fuck! 529 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:34,119 Look what I just did. 530 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,160 I'll just cover it up with some brown. 531 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,680 So as well yeah, it's a bit of a homage 532 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,279 to my former life. 533 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,880 When I was younger, when I was at Uni 534 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 I used to sell used socks and underwear on Craigslist. 535 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:50,640 I always thought, "there's money to be made 536 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,319 and if I don't do it then someone else will 537 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 and I don't care what they do with my underwear." 538 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,359 And also I found it really really interesting 539 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,039 being part of someone's most intimate secret 540 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:03,000 and then for like ten minutes 541 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,039 when I'd meet them and give them the underwear 542 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,079 and then I leave, that's it. 543 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,759 That's the only interaction I had with them. 544 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,359 I found it really fascinating and I kept a little journal 545 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,000 of all the interactions and people I sold underwear to. 546 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,240 Taxi drivers, Uber drivers, teachers... 547 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,160 I created this guy who was like super masculine 548 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,359 called Chuck. 549 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,119 So he was like my first ever... 550 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,599 drag experience or my first time 551 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,000 exploring gender in terms of performance. 552 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,599 So people liked football socks 553 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,799 or I'd tell people 554 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,480 that I'd worn the socks in the gym for ages? 555 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:37,920 which I hadn't. 556 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,599 Yeah, that's what seemed to sell more 557 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,400 so I was like "Okay, well I'll create this character." 558 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,680 And then I became a drag queen. 559 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,160 Because being more feminine 560 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,799 is more fun than being masculine 561 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,319 and the clothes are nicer as well. 562 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,799 [Camile] Everyone is a chameleon. 563 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,559 You know Camile is just my feminine subconscious 564 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:01,680 that I bring to life 565 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,279 when Luke's not always needed 566 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,599 but she's given Luke the balls to do what he does as well 567 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,559 because when I take this off that was all me 568 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:12,400 you know, that was all me all along. 569 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,759 Working as a hairdresser with clients 570 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,359 how just giving someone a blow dry can set them up 571 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,599 for a whole good day. 572 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:21,640 Obviously your hair is the first accessory 573 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,000 you wake up with every day 574 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,599 so like being able 575 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960 to give someone the time and the effort 576 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,400 to give them that kind of self promotion 577 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,359 and look at themselves through that whole time 578 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,640 and through this service and go 579 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,279 "You know what? I'm gonna make it." 580 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Hairdressing grounds me 581 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,200 because I can always relate to someone. 582 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,519 There's always something 583 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:41,319 that someone's got that is relatable. 584 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,759 Doing someone's hair 585 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,240 it's not doing the root of their hair problem 586 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,680 it's getting to the root of their actual problem. 587 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240 The left frontal cortex holds a lot of emotions 588 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,559 It's that why people recede, you know? 589 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,880 Is that why people have emotional barriers? 590 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,640 It takes a very special skill and that's my superpower 591 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960 at that root problem, at that hair 592 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,640 and just make them feel beautiful 593 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,119 because they are beautiful, everyone's beautiful. 594 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,640 [gentle music] 595 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:12,559 Throughout the past year drag has been a great influence 596 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:16,440 because I didn't do any like dance training or like acting. 597 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,160 It's nice to work on the aesthetic 598 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,599 and its nice to work on what your face can do. 599 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,319 I think it's a good form of escapism. 600 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,359 It gets rid of those barriers, 601 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,200 barriers that we put up on ourselves 602 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,920 that we don't realize we have. 603 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,880 Even if we wanna keep the barriers up 604 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,559 let's just paint them, or decorate them. 605 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,920 My aesthetic is 606 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,880 to really feminize who I am as a person 607 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,039 to show myself as a flip side, my masculine and feminine. 608 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,319 I just put my dial all the way up to max 609 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,279 and just go, "This is it." 610 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,559 But some people only go to seven or three and that's fine. 611 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,400 But I have had, I think, an argument 612 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,039 with probably every drag queen on the scene. 613 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,960 [indistinct chatter] 614 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,839 Drag drama, which is a double D not for me. 615 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,000 Margo was telling me the other day 616 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,000 that she works very hard from Thursday to Sunday 617 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,000 and gets to sleep Monday to Wednesday 618 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,599 at least you know until 2pm in the afternoon 619 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,200 [Camile] This bitch is-- 620 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359 Shut up! You're ruining my story, bitch. 621 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,640 Okay, edit that bit out. 622 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,000 And scene. 623 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,799 I said some would call that depression 624 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:21,240 but we just call it drag. 625 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,400 Oh wait we, you know what? 626 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Something's wrong with this community 627 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,720 and it's like we want to say that our lives 628 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:30,799 are in the best places. 629 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:31,799 At least we can say 630 00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:32,920 we do what we get to do-- 631 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,359 Oh she's getting sentimental. 632 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,160 We at least get to do what we really wanna do 633 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,119 and enhance other people's like emphasis. 634 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,200 We just emphasize, we just got the stereo player. 635 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,599 Do you know what I mean? 636 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,480 That's what's good, that's what isn't good-- 637 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,039 I just love wearing no clothes. 638 00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,960 That's Margo hears walking down the street ?Fuck off Margo.? 639 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,599 They hate talent, allergic obviously. 640 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,680 Look at them all. 641 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,799 You know what drag's taught 642 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,160 especially me with Margo? 643 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,480 It's that you learn how to build 644 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:00,000 bridges because you love someone 645 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,160 just as much as you hate someone-- 646 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,759 [laughing] Are you listening to this? 647 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,160 No, because it is... it is-- 648 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,480 It gets me to relieve some of my sensitivity 649 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,599 because I wouldn't have been able to hear that 650 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,000 from anyone else's mouth. 651 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,079 But I love it because it comes from an angle 652 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,200 where I'm striving for every much position 653 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,559 that we can just excel with each other. 654 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,720 I got lost in that 9-year essay but-- 655 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,519 -Ying yang! -...I loved it. 656 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:28,960 Ying Yang, up and down, in and out. 657 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,680 Just the way I like it. 658 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960 I'm here to support every single person 659 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,599 because every person is unique. 660 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,599 * Everybody have fun, Yeah, yeah * 661 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,000 A lot of trans women would not like 662 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:43,599 to be called a drag queen 663 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,400 would not like to be put into the same category 664 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,839 as a drag queen because we're very different 665 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,000 but I want to prove 666 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,799 that you can be trans and visible trans 667 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,079 but also be visibly in drag as well. 668 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,640 When I first started to transition 669 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,079 I struggled with maybe looking like a drag queen 670 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,799 or being confused as a drag queen 671 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,160 because they are very different 672 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,599 but as much as they're separate 673 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,960 they can be intertwined 674 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 and that's what I like to try and prove. 675 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,400 I suppose I came on the scene still struggling with drag 676 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,519 because I really wanted to do drag but I still felt 677 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,599 that I had transitioned for a reason 678 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000 so why would I do drag? 679 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,799 I was a freelance makeup artist at the time 680 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,200 and I was bored of giving people 681 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,559 the opportunity to be amazing 682 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,119 and not giving myself that opportunity. 683 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,920 So I assessed the situation. 684 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920 I had met drag queens 685 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,839 and I decided to just say "fuck it" 686 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,400 and go for it and do it. 687 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,599 It was a total escape from my own gender 688 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720 and my own worries about who I am. 689 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,799 When I'm in drag I'm really not worried 690 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,720 about coming across as a woman 691 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880 I'm just there to have fun 692 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,799 and sometimes before I did drag 693 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,200 I felt like when I was going out 694 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,559 I almost was setting myself a rule book. 695 00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,960 How I have to sit, how I have to talk 696 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,200 how I have to present myself. 697 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,400 Just because you are a man you don't have to be masculine, 698 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,880 just because you're a woman you don't have to be feminine. 699 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,799 You don't, you can do as you please. 700 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,759 We are the voices and faces of the LGBT community 701 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,440 and I'm proud to say that. 702 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,039 [Envy] My drag character or personas 703 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,279 will mix and fleet and the kind of Johnny character 704 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,240 that has many faces 705 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,559 can be any gender, no gender, can be an alien, 706 00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,079 can be a monster, can be just me wanting to dress up 707 00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,920 in some women's clothes tonight and act sultry. 708 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200 It's multi-gendered, if non-gendered, 709 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,759 if anything that comes up in the future 710 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,000 or anything I fancy doing it's all come like organically. 711 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,960 Ehm... Sometimes I don't know. 712 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Sometimes I'll be a character 713 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,880 and I don't know what the gender is. 714 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,640 It's just how it feels. 715 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,279 I think those would probably be more likely non-gendered. 716 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,079 But the more I go on 717 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,720 and the better skilled I become in drag 718 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,759 the more I find I can do more feminine looks 719 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:27,160 and so there have been more feminine personas 720 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,279 or facets of this Johnny persona 721 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,039 that comes on when I'm in drag. 722 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,000 And I can create a feminine or hyper-feminine face. 723 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,839 But I love to make something that's really sexy ugly 724 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,039 or something that's really ugly sexy 725 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,559 or... really blur. 726 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,599 It's kind of like that blurring the lines. 727 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,799 [screaming] I don't know how to take this anymore 728 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:50,599 I don't know what to do. Oh my God! 729 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,279 And then that's really fun to do and it also in? 730 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,599 in a very small sense that might go 731 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,960 "Wow that person was sexy, 732 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,519 but was also kind of confusing." 733 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,039 And maybe that's a lesson for them. 734 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:02,240 [people cheering and applauding] 735 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,640 [Camile] It was like when I was a kid 736 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,799 all these eyes would look at me and go 737 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,640 ?Oh, okay something's different.? 738 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,319 When I used to play Tekken as a kid 739 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,640 I used to love playing the girl roles. 740 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,559 It was like they were amazing because they moved better. 741 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,960 You know, the Tekken boys were just like "punch, punch." 742 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,599 No, I wanna see some like... 743 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,799 hair flips and like dodges, yeah? 744 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,799 [Jacqui] It's sad that there's still such a weakness 745 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:39,359 associated with femininity 746 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,599 and embracing any form of femininity. 747 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,799 We see the divide between gay guys, between... 748 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:49,000 these camp kind of effeminate voguing round G-A-Y late twinks 749 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,400 who are feeling their fantasy 750 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,960 and the butch kind of gym bunnies 751 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,519 that don't want to be associated with that 752 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,960 because it infringes on the masculinity 753 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,079 they think they need to perform and inhabit to be safe. 754 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:03,640 But I think so much of drag now is... 755 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,920 It's almost like a middle finger up at what everybody says 756 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,240 you should or shouldn't be. 757 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,359 It works, you know, 758 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,039 because it's not conforming 759 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:13,720 to a set of rules 760 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,400 that people think it should be 761 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,920 and that makes people nervous 762 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,240 when you can't be put easily in a box. 763 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,480 I think the moment I popped out my mom 764 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,519 I was never going to be ignored 765 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:27,839 and I would never allow myself to be ignored 766 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,799 and school was no exception. 767 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:30,920 I was lucky. 768 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,119 Well my school was lucky 769 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,680 to have someone like me there 770 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400 'cause I definitely taught them a good many few things 771 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,319 about being a young gay person 772 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,920 but then also becoming a young trans person. 773 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,599 I was very feminine. 774 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960 I mean I wore makeup since I was 13, I would say. 775 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,759 13, 14, pre-transition I wore makeup. 776 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,480 Because I was back then a boy wearing makeup 777 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,400 I stuck out like a sore thumb. 778 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,559 However there was girls wearing makeup in my class, 779 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,480 probably even more makeup than I was 780 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:02,799 but because I was the boy wearing makeup 781 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,640 I was the one, "Wipe that off your face now!" 782 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,119 I was sent to like the headmaster's office 783 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880 because I was wearing a BB cream once, you know. 784 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720 I was sent off because I wore a little bit of blush 785 00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,000 turned into bronzer and then I had a full face 786 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,160 and that was a huge 787 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160 giant explosion of teachers 788 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,480 saying how wrong it was. 789 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,200 And I just sort of walked in there and said 790 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,680 "I don't have any expectations 791 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,079 I just want a long 792 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,599 and really big and birthday vibes." 793 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,000 And they sat me down 794 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,720 and they literally just did them 795 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,920 and I was so happy with them. 796 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,640 I mean my nails have always been extra 797 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,759 but these are really fucking extra, 798 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:43,200 they're really something else. 799 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,839 Yeah. 800 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960 -[Matt] Who's birthday was it? -Mine. 801 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 -[Matt] When? -Wednesday actually. 802 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,519 -[Matt] Ah, happy birthday. -Well, yeah. 803 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,960 When I had come out as transgender 804 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,599 I was no longer allowed to go to the boys 805 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,039 but they refused to let me go into the girls toilet. 806 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,920 That made it really awkward for me 807 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,079 because I could no longer comfortably 808 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,599 just do something as simple as go to the toilet. 809 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,440 I wouldn't take back all the hardships 810 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,159 that I went through at school because they have made me 811 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,840 the woman I am today. 812 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,800 [Envy] When drag came along 813 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,400 and I realized I had this platform 814 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840 to really expand on the ideas of what I do 815 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,199 and I'm still doing it today 816 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,000 I was able to finally play the villains 817 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:28,559 and play the psychotic individuals 818 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:33,400 or the twisted individuals I've always dreamed of playing. 819 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,199 I always idolized in a sense. 820 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,639 Being so overtly queer 821 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840 and so overtly what some people might call "wrong" 822 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,400 I find really empowering and kind of anarchical and punk. 823 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719 It gives me a platform not only to do performances 824 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,360 but kind of like explore anything within me 825 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,079 that I might not be able to explore in my day to day 826 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:55,880 with friends or on the street. 827 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,280 Just anything that I wanna feel, 828 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,800 I can feel in drag. 829 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,920 I can draw it up and I can be it. 830 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Humans transforming into monsters 831 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,599 or into something else. 832 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,360 I think that comes 833 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,239 through a lot of my-- especially makeup designs 834 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,360 I've always had this really strong urge 835 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,679 to kind of want to be something else. 836 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,599 Well maybe as a kid that's what I felt 837 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,199 and through this platform of drag 838 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,599 I get to transform into whatever I want to be. 839 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,599 I get to transform into something that's strong 840 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,199 or better than life or better skilled 841 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,119 or had a better shield of armor 842 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:33,400 like any of that. 843 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,679 [Nightbus] If there's something disarming about being feminine 844 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:41,599 then that's great. 845 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,239 I actually use that to my advantage 846 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,239 because my drag can be quite glamourous 847 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,039 or quite beautiful 848 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,559 and you know I pad and I wear breast plates 849 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,000 and you know have dresses made and stuff 850 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,599 and people see that and go, "Oh my God, work." 851 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,000 And then when I'm like, "Yeah, you know... 852 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,639 Trump's putting in a Muslim ban." 853 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,480 Or, you know, "32 people were killed this year 854 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,599 who were trans across the world 855 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,679 and that's just registered in the UK and the US." 856 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960 And I can do that on stage. 857 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320 So you're disarmed by the immediate presentation 858 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,840 of something that's very feminine, 859 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,440 which people see as being less of a threat anyway 860 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,320 and then I think it has more of a real impact to go 861 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,559 "This is the form that I am but this is the story I'm going to tell you." 862 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,039 [Jacqui] There's something about being a drag queen 863 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,480 that almost breaks the ice. 864 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,719 There's something humorous about it anyway 865 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,280 that kind of adds a bit of a diffuser I guess. 866 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,760 There are so many things you can get away 867 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,880 with saying as a drag queen. 868 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,440 Part of our job is to poke fun at things 869 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,599 kind of... 870 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,119 maybe add a bit of humor to things 871 00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,360 that don't necessarily come with humor 872 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400 because what our community, I guess, 873 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,800 is founded out of slightly is moving forward 874 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,320 to a kind of equality and glum kind of feel. 875 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,079 So it's nice to have something that's entertaining 876 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,440 and a little bit different that you can make light out of situations. 877 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,599 If I'm an asshole to you then it means we're friends. 878 00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,320 If I'm nice to you, fucking panic. 879 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,760 It never ends well or it ends in sex 880 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,559 which equally, doesn't end well. 881 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,239 [audience laughs] 882 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,480 Really it ends up in one of the two of us being disappointed. 883 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,159 It's usually you. 884 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,079 [Johnny] Okay, this is... 885 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840 my, ehm... 886 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,800 Yeah, when I can't store anything on a shelf 887 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480 or on a rail, I shove it in here. 888 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,000 So I've got wigs, like, schoolgirl outfit. 889 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,639 Oh my God, yeah. Early like... 890 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,559 Nineties school, little schoolgirl outfit 891 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,599 that I thought was really cute. [laughs] 892 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,679 Can't bare to let go 893 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,800 and if anyone asks for a schoolgirl number 894 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,800 I've got the costume, but no. 895 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840 [Carmen] Erm, it's just like really quintessential drag. 896 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,280 It's a leotard so I can add things on top of that 897 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,800 but it's just camp as tits, isn't it? 898 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,800 It's got asymmetrical sleeves 899 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,599 it's taller than I am and then it's leopard print 900 00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:05,199 and I'm not a fan of leopard print 901 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,559 but there's something about that kind of? trashy? 902 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:10,400 It's a trashy drag look, isn't it? 903 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,679 My first ever dress was a wedding dress 904 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440 and I got it for a Halloween costume 905 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,079 and was like, "Oh my God, I love it." 906 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,400 And I wore it as a house dress for about two months afterwards 907 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,199 and my housemates were sick of it. 908 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,400 I was just constantly in this fucking wedding dress. 909 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280 It was like a dressing gown I wore it everywhere. 910 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:30,599 Whenever I see a good wedding dress 911 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,000 I'm like, "Whoe yeah I've got to have that" 912 00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,760 until I found this particular dress in Trade 913 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400 and I got it for eight quid or four quid 914 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,880 or something ridiculous 915 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,719 and it was huge and I had to have it. 916 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480 So I got it and it's been the best thing ever. 917 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920 Although I keep getting booked to wear it 918 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,400 and it's really heavy and really awkward 919 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,480 to carry around. 920 00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:57,639 I'm thinking... 921 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,519 It's got lots of ruffles and it's long. 922 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,880 And we're looking for? 923 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,400 Well a starting point would be red 924 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,880 anything red because... 925 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,639 that's what the BAFTAs is all about. 926 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:11,599 It's old Hollywood 927 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,280 but I think you can tipple a little on old Hollywood 928 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,639 as long as it's glam. 929 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,159 You can't get more fab than feathers really, can you? 930 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:20,239 A flap... 931 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,199 a spin, wooh! 932 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:25,159 Has movement. 933 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,599 It's kind of hideous but I love it. 934 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:28,679 [laughs] 935 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,320 I mean, come on! 936 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,559 I can hardly move, but why would you need to? 937 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,920 [laughs] 938 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:39,599 Something like that is all those layers 939 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,039 and all that movement. 940 00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,679 I love chiffon, anything that moves all by itself 941 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,239 with little to no effort. 942 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,679 [music box tune] 943 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,599 I always like the idea of a jilted woman 944 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,760 or a woman who's had lots of husbands 945 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,199 and has gained all of her wealth from them. 946 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,000 I suppose that it's because I used to feel 947 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:04,440 quite jilted in my past 948 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,639 so I kind of relate to that. 949 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:11,920 That would be perfect. 950 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,719 It's like a little accoutrement 951 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,360 to the dress for tonight. 952 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,760 I can just imagine how many... 953 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,599 how glorious it looked to have all the girls lined up 954 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,719 in the same costume and they all look fab. 955 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,599 This one belonged to Emily, it's in the boob. 956 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,599 Why do one thing, when you can do lots of things? 957 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,840 Especially with like style... 958 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,119 and taste... 959 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,519 like I can be a monster 960 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,840 and I can be a full female bodied woman 961 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400 or as some might say a suspiciously large woman. 962 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,639 [indistinct] 963 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,400 [music box tune] 964 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,000 Yeah. 965 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,679 Unfortunately not. 966 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,599 [tailor] I think I can pull a few more for you. 967 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,199 Yeah, honestly, you're the expert here. 968 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,360 I'm just the drag queen with the big eyes. 969 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,719 [laughs] 970 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,840 [tailor] Step into. 971 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440 [music box tune playing] 972 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,840 [music box tune continues] 973 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,159 [Matt] Do you do a lot of drag queen costumes? 974 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,679 To be honest I have to say 975 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,599 a lot of drag queens can't afford the price 976 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,800 Yeah, it's not the most well paid industry. 977 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,800 Which is why "Everybody is talking about Jamie" and RuPul is brilliant 978 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,400 because they're now kind of getting more money 979 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320 into the industry, you know. 980 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,639 Well, actually this would fit. 981 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,000 [tailor] Let me have one more scower. 982 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:46,320 Yeah, of course. 983 00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,639 Give this a go or is that too red? 984 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,079 [tailor] If you saw the lady that this was made for 985 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,320 you'd never know this would go on you honestly. 986 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,760 [Envy giggles] Full of surprises! 987 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,400 Oh that's perfect! 988 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,440 -We do have to tuck, just so-- -[tailor] Yeah. 989 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320 [Envy] ...we don't have our little friend... 990 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,800 Amazing! 991 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,000 [tailor] That's it, that's your dress for the night. 992 00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:18,239 Yes. 993 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:23,239 [lively music] 994 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,239 [Matt] Filming with Shaz. 995 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,760 [Nightbus] Fuck off, fuck off. 996 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,719 Oh my God, you look so good! 997 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,199 -[Envy] We're having a bath! -[Nightbus] Why? 998 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,400 [Envy] We're having a bath at the BAFTAs. 999 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,639 [Nightbus] Margo doesn't bathe. 1000 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400 -[Bimini indistinctly] -Disco 1001 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000 He's not listening, don't care. 1002 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,840 God you look fab. 1003 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,559 [Bimini] We've got the break now. 1004 00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:58,599 [Nightbus] Until when? 1005 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,079 [Margo] What are you talking about? 1006 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,199 -[Bimini] I'm not in the bath. 1007 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,000 [Envy] Hiyaa. [Nightbus] Hiyaa. 1008 00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,199 [all laugh] 1009 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,719 Full disclosure. 1010 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,199 Margo is just like 1011 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,079 * Only the crumbliest flakiest chocolate. * 1012 00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,239 [Bimini] They are melting. 1013 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,239 You're all ridiculous. 1014 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,239 Where are you? I'm getting a cab. 1015 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,840 [Bimini] Tonight I'm performing 1016 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,800 a Tina Turner number 1017 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,199 "Private Dancer". 1018 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,800 Actually when I was younger I used to hate it 1019 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,199 because it was something that my parents would play 1020 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,480 and it wasn't cool, but I loved the song so much. 1021 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280 So tonight I'm doing it at The Glory. 1022 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,360 It's actually the first place that I ever performed pole 1023 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,760 and it was actually the first place I ever performed 1024 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,159 and they're so great at giving drag queens an opportunity 1025 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,320 and a chance to get on stage 1026 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,559 and show their art, show their creativity 1027 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,239 so yeah, I'm looking forward to it. 1028 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,760 Disco, come on! 1029 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,519 I mean when you first interviewed me a year ago 1030 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,039 I'd only been doing it for about six months 1031 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,119 but I'd focused more on performing and started doing pole 1032 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,039 and kind of been taking that. 1033 00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,440 And elevating and trying to evolve my drag as well. 1034 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,800 Kind of figuring out Bimini as a drag queen 1035 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,800 and as a character. 1036 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,480 When you first interviewed me 1037 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,360 I was kind of going through a bit of a rut 1038 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360 social anxieties and kind of depression. 1039 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,639 I was teaching yoga and I had to stop teaching 1040 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,400 because I was going through a lot of mental health issues myself. 1041 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,960 To start with it was fine, 1042 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,039 it was just what everyone was doing. 1043 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,000 I'd moved to London and it was exciting. 1044 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:39,199 We were taking drugs. 1045 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,719 So I would take a lot of G, GHB, 1046 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,480 crystal meth, mephedrone, 1047 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:50,239 and just party for days and days and just keep going. 1048 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,599 You just get wrapped up in it, caught up in it 1049 00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,320 and so many people do. 1050 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,519 So many gay people and queer people do. 1051 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,360 You grow up not accepting yourself 1052 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,239 and then you find acceptance in these people 1053 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,679 and people are doing these things 1054 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,079 and you think it's normal and then it's fun, 1055 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,320 but it's not fun when you're on day five and you haven't slept 1056 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,239 and then it's becoming a regular thing. 1057 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,840 I remember going to sleep 1058 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,800 and waking up every hour shaking 1059 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,599 because my body needed it, my body craved it. 1060 00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:20,719 If I hadn't got out of it when I did 1061 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,800 and deal with the consequences which came after, 1062 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,199 yeah I would probably be dead. 1063 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,639 Come on. 1064 00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,360 I witnessed people overdosing regularly. 1065 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,199 I used to go under all the time 1066 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,199 and I never took it as a big deal. 1067 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000 I remember people were put off by seeing it 1068 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:41,880 and it never did for me, it just didn't. 1069 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,480 I just became... 1070 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,480 so used to being in the situation 1071 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:48,840 and relying on it 1072 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,280 in social situations to just kind of perk me up. 1073 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,679 And when I did decide to stop, 1074 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,239 my social anxiety was just completely awful. 1075 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,920 I used to walk in a room and think 1076 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:00,320 people were talking about me 1077 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,239 that people hated me. 1078 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,000 Now I don't care if people do hate me 1079 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,000 like whatever 1080 00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:09,800 or people talking about me, 1081 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,320 but then it was such a big thing. 1082 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,280 With drag, when I first moved to London at 18, 1083 00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,119 I started going out in Soho 1084 00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,719 and I met drag queens in person 1085 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,440 for probably the first time 1086 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,320 and I remember thinking "I'd love to do it." 1087 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,079 And I did a form of drag 1088 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,920 but it wasn't anything I took seriously. 1089 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,119 When I first got back 1090 00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:33,599 I think I was back for about a year 1091 00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,800 before I was like, "No, this is what I wanna do 1092 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,119 and this is what I'm gonna do." 1093 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,239 Then that's when I started performing. 1094 00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:47,639 [Jacqui] We're in my home town. 1095 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,440 We're on the Isle of Wight 1096 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,639 which is bizarre 1097 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,880 considering that, you know, I grew up here. 1098 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,039 I wouldn't say the Isle of Wight was stuck for a little while 1099 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,679 but I think we're now starting to see things move forwards 1100 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,960 on the Isle of Wight like accepting a big old 1101 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,960 seven foot man in a wig like me. 1102 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,119 Can you imagine a gay club in Camp Hill? 1103 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400 It would be amazing 1104 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960 So what kind of kick started Isle of Wight Pride 1105 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,280 was a local MP for the Isle of Wight 1106 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,280 saying something incredibly homophobic and disgusting 1107 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,000 and yeah, kind of pride came around in a response to that. 1108 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,039 It's nice that, as the only gay kid growing up in the village 1109 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,639 when I was growing up here, 1110 00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,320 it's now nice that there's a huge celebration every year 1111 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,039 and that dogs come to my show. 1112 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,760 It's a rowdy crowd of 12 tonight, isn't it? 1113 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,079 Good Lord. 1114 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,400 I'm gonna draw this out. 1115 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,800 It kills five minutes of my hour showtime. 1116 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:44,760 Ladies and gentlemen! 1117 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:47,239 I just popped a bollock. 1118 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,599 Please welcome to the stage... 1119 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,239 Miss... 1120 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:56,280 Jacqui Swallooowwws! 1121 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,119 Turn it back up, dear! 1122 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,360 [audience cheers and applauds] 1123 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,360 [Jacqui] I think this kind of show 1124 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,800 is very new to the Isle of Wight, you know. 1125 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:09,639 It's different, isn't it? 1126 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,760 Different parts of the country, and well the world. 1127 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,039 They catch onto things at different times. 1128 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,760 I suppose after a drag race craze, or after any place 1129 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,199 where they are used to drag 1130 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,239 they have expectations, they've seen it before 1131 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,920 whereas on the Isle of Wight everyone thinks I'm great 1132 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,760 because they haven't seen any better. 1133 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400 But no, they're great fun and they're always up for a laugh. 1134 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,280 It's nice. 1135 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,440 I have a bit of pride 1136 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,239 that it's nice to see my hometown 1137 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,760 going "Yeah, this is really cool and we want more of it." 1138 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,280 [Nightbus track plays] 1139 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,719 * Paki, Paki, Paki, terrorist, terrorist Paki... * 1140 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,320 [screams and cheering] 1141 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,599 [Nightbus] Yeah, so I've had abuse 1142 00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,039 in drag on the streets 1143 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,639 from cars passing by 1144 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,199 but I also know that I'm quite ignorant to a lot of it 1145 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,480 because actually even in drag, 1146 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:02,760 although it's quite a feminine form 1147 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,960 like I do still look quite manly with a beard 1148 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,400 so I probably get away with a lot more. 1149 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,960 Also because I'm brown, people are a little bit... 1150 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,679 skeptical of coming and saying something to me 1151 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,199 which is quite interesting. 1152 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,920 I've had some abuse from Asian people in cars 1153 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,559 and it's been about things like, "Allah will punish you" 1154 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:21,639 and I'm just like... 1155 00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,400 "We're not getting into this right now" 1156 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,840 because we could definitely 1157 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960 have this conversation for days." 1158 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,199 And then I've had 1159 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,480 some really horrendous things said to me in Berlin 1160 00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,079 when I lived there for a year. 1161 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,159 People asking me how... 1162 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,320 what proportion of the N word I am, 1163 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,719 which has been quite... 1164 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,599 sort of, "Did you just say that?" 1165 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,960 and trying to understand what that means. 1166 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,199 So the abuse has mainly come from being... 1167 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,920 brown 1168 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,199 and then there's an element of being queer in there as well. 1169 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,599 [Matt] And how do you deal with abuse when you get it? 1170 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,360 [sighs] 1171 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,039 I don't really rest on it. 1172 00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,000 I think it's about looking at the wider picture 1173 00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:06,679 where that comes from and where it stems from 1174 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,280 and why people say that. 1175 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,639 It's only when someone will outwardly say something 1176 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,000 and I feel comfortable enough to shout at them 1177 00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:14,719 because what's the worst they can do. 1178 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,039 Even if you kill me that will be on TV 1179 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:18,800 and people will know about that 1180 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,199 and you will never be the same again 1181 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,800 so you can't do that. 1182 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,039 You're the one who's always gonna come worse off. 1183 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,440 I don't really shy away from having arguments 1184 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,519 but I don't like them. 1185 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,280 I'd rather have a conversation. 1186 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,519 But actually, to be honest, I find it exhausting, 1187 00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,199 I find it exhausting trying to explain these things to people. 1188 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,320 I don' t need to sit there and tell you every day 1189 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,000 why I'm not a terrorist or why Muslims are not all bad 1190 00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,599 or why queer people aren't disgusting. 1191 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,639 * Paki, Paki, Paki * 1192 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,760 [Barbs] Oh yeah, we got mugged. 1193 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,000 [Camile] We nearly got stabbed. 1194 00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:55,400 -[laughs] -That was in view. 1195 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,679 That was well funny, we turned-- 1196 00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,320 We used our drag to advantage 1197 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,000 because it actually scared them off. 1198 00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,760 Yeah. We were rolling a jazz cigarette 1199 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,920 down the canal in Haggerston... 1200 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,440 These two people came up and was just like 1201 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,159 ?Give us your phone and money" and we were 1202 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:10,639 ?No, not giving that? 1203 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,000 and I had fifty quid cash in my pocket as well 1204 00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:14,480 just did a gig at The Glory, so I was like, 1205 00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:15,840 ?No, you're not having that.? 1206 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,599 And then he got this seven inch hunting knife out 1207 00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:19,840 and it was like, "Eugh!" 1208 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,880 especially when you start seeing 1209 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,440 a lot more queer performance 1210 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,039 like things don't shock you as much 1211 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,079 and when he got this seven inch hunting knife out 1212 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:28,719 he's not gonna hack us apart with that. 1213 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,559 "No, still not giving you my phone and money" 1214 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,159 and then they didn't know what to do at that point. 1215 00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:34,800 -Yeah. -The other one grabbed me 1216 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,119 and punched me in the face. 1217 00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,760 And then we got up and he, the other one 1218 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,840 just threw me back. 1219 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,360 He'd opened me up and was like, ?Right.? 1220 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360 All the prosthetic boobs came out, the fishnet leggings, 1221 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,639 the thong, he was like, "Oh my God, what's going on?" 1222 00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:52,639 Now it's like bulge, bulge, bulge, bulge. 1223 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:54,000 [laughter] 1224 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:55,840 And then he tried to get on to Carmen 1225 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,239 and Carmen has this massive suitcase. 1226 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,599 -She was like "No". -He tried to grab her suitcase. 1227 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,599 It had makeup in it. 1228 00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,079 Carmen, she's like 6.2 foot, gorgeous, 1229 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,760 just like picked up her suitcase full of make up 1230 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,639 and was like, ?Fuck off!? 1231 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:12,000 All her possessions. 1232 00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:13,920 -And just pelted it. -Then all of a sudden 1233 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,000 they just started to run 1234 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,360 and we were like "You better run." 1235 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280 -Yeah it was-- -Would you say that was 1236 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,199 a homophobic attack? 1237 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,599 Oh no, it was more of a mugging 1238 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,400 but they shat themselves when they saw us. 1239 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000 [Bimini] I was in Ley Fest, it was down in Kent 1240 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,760 and there was a guy, I think he was coked up 1241 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,840 or he was on something and he was just like 1242 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,079 "What the fuck is that?" 1243 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,400 I was in a bikini, I looked great 1244 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,800 and he was like, "What the fuck is that?" 1245 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,719 He was all riled up and his friends were laughing 1246 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,079 and saying "just leave it" 1247 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,360 and it was, "Why am I ruining your festival? 1248 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,599 You're at a festival, just enjoy yourself. 1249 00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,960 Don't see the drag queen 1250 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,400 and be like, "'what the fuck is that?' 1251 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,119 just because you fancy me?" 1252 00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:52,559 It says more about them. 1253 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,000 It's like, "Okay then you have got a problem." 1254 00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,239 You're meant to be at a festival to have fun. What's it about? 1255 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,000 That's all it does when people give homophobic abuse 1256 00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:02,880 it's just like, "Look at yourself babes." 1257 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,400 And then genders very black and white 1258 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,360 and very well blue and pink I guess. 1259 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,280 Like you are told from a young age what you should do 1260 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960 this is wrong, this is wrong, so when you do see 1261 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,320 someone playing with the boundaries 1262 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,400 I think it shocks a lot of people and intimidates people 1263 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,400 as much as they probably wouldn't like to admit 1264 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,039 that they feel intimidated by it. 1265 00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,639 Our job is to then determine okay how do we seed that, 1266 00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:28,000 where is that coming from? 1267 00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:29,920 And I guess I do that outside of my job 1268 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,719 in the hair side of things as well 1269 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,199 like you see it every day people don't actually know 1270 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,679 who they're looking at when they see themselves. 1271 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,719 It freaks people out a bit 1272 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,320 but I think that's even more reason to do it to be honest. 1273 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,119 Every time I see someone getting attacked for homophobia 1274 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,960 it makes me feel... In a way it's a form of activism 1275 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,360 It's like I am here, I am doing this 1276 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,920 and you need to get used to it, kind of thing. 1277 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,519 I'm not going to stop doing drag because of it, if anything 1278 00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:57,960 I'm going to put more lashes on, more blusher on 1279 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,199 every single time someone looks at me funny. 1280 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,400 I went to school 1281 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,639 where we were forced to pray 1282 00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:03,840 to God every morning 1283 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,679 and it's like I'm not religious 1284 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,320 so you know, why is it that all of a sudden 1285 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,840 a child is exposed to drag and it's a bad thing? 1286 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,079 What is bad is teaching your children attitudes 1287 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,159 where you don't accept people 1288 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,400 a lot of the thing I've got out of doing drag is 1289 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,599 how lovely drag queens are to each other as well. 1290 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,400 Of course you have the bitchiness as well 1291 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,920 but in general we are a family, we are a family. 1292 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,559 I would much rather teach children 1293 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,400 the value of finding friends and family 1294 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,000 and exploring yourselves rather than teaching them 1295 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,159 to hate people and be ignorant. 1296 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,840 Of course, I don't think there's been one drag queen 1297 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,599 that's not had abuse 1298 00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,400 whether that be traveling to the gig 1299 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,079 or going home from the gig 1300 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,400 or in the club itself. 1301 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,880 I think you've got to be doing something right for people 1302 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,679 to have a go at you and I've always believed in that. 1303 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480 They might be across the road and shout at you 1304 00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,280 but you walk straight up to them 1305 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,760 and they nothing to say to your face 1306 00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,880 because they never do. 1307 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,280 Because they have nothing 1308 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,960 to justify themselves with. 1309 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,480 There could be a group of like what? 1310 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,800 Five young boys? 1311 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,320 But still five of them 1312 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,840 and I'll walk straight up to them 1313 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,400 and be like, ?What?? 1314 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,360 And then they go all quiet and they're like 1315 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,719 ?Oh well I didn't say it, he said it. Oh no he said it.? 1316 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,159 It doesn't matter which one of you said it, 1317 00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,480 it was one of you, it was all of you probably, 1318 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:22,519 but now that I'm in front of you, 1319 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,119 you don't want to say anything, do you? 1320 00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,800 You don't want to be put in that position 1321 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,159 you don't want the confrontation. 1322 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,599 I suppose when I'm in drag I'm more sort of like 1323 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,440 "Yeah, I am. I am a faggot, I am a tranny, 1324 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,840 I am this, I am that, because I'm in drag 1325 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,280 and those are my words 1326 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,000 and I'm not going to give you that power. 1327 00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,400 The moment you say you are the words 1328 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,400 they're shouting you at 1329 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,199 you've taken, you've snatched that power away from them 1330 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,199 and you've snatched the opportunity 1331 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,840 for them to poke at you 1332 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,760 and to make that situation. 1333 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,159 Just don't whimper 1334 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,239 and don't panic. 1335 00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,760 Because if you show them the weakness 1336 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,639 then they'll want it more 1337 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,760 and it's a drug to people like that 1338 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,760 and they want more and more 1339 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,039 and they'd want to see you get more uncomfortable 1340 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:10,199 and I'd just say, "Put your headphones in 1341 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,280 sit there like the bad bitch you know you are 1342 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,840 and just ride it out." 1343 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,880 A funny story, I was walking back home 1344 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,480 to Whitechapel, walking down one of the side streets 1345 00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,239 I'm in half drag, I've taken a bit of my drag off 1346 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,719 I'm in boy clothes 1347 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,480 and... 1348 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,599 I've got my headphones in 1349 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:32,679 and I'm probably listening to some musical 1350 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,000 or some sissy, sissy something 1351 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,880 and I'm having a little jolly because I'm a little bit drunk 1352 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,920 and a car pulls up to me and I can hear 1353 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,519 something shouted behind me 1354 00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:44,039 but I keep walking because that often happens 1355 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,079 or someone is shouting at someone in the street. 1356 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,800 And the car pulls up to me and I realize 1357 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,519 that they've been shouting at me 1358 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,920 and I pull my headphone down just to catch 1359 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,119 "What the fuck are you, you fucking faggot?" 1360 00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,840 And, I am like... 1361 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,159 [funny voice] "Cool dude, yeah you caught me 1362 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,000 I'm a faggot, whatever." 1363 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,840 And he reaches down for something 1364 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,000 and I, you know, I tense 1365 00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,039 because I'm ready for something to be thrown at me 1366 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:12,639 and he throws and it hits here 1367 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,039 and it's a chocolate cake. 1368 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,679 And it splats, it misses me 1369 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:18,440 and splats against the... 1370 00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,480 the shutters next to me 1371 00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,719 and I go, I'm just like aghast 1372 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,639 I was like... 1373 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,320 "You threw a chocolate cake and you missed?" 1374 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400 And then it gets worse. 1375 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,840 He looks at me and then he's like... 1376 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,840 He reaches down again 1377 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,480 and throws another chocolate cake 1378 00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,000 and misses again, and I'm like 1379 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:44,159 "You throw like a girl, you big faggot!" 1380 00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:45,920 Obviously I don't believe in those things 1381 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,639 but, you know, I wanna twist his nipple 1382 00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,400 I wanna twist his titty at this point. 1383 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,079 And his, I'm like, 1384 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,599 "You wasted your chocolate cake"? 1385 00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,000 And he's just so angry with himself 1386 00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,639 and is in such a spat 1387 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,079 that he drives off and speeds off into the night 1388 00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:03,920 and I'm like [applauds] 1389 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,320 "Thank you for that, that really perked up my night? 1390 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,920 and then I turn around, 1391 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,920 look back and there's two splats of cake 1392 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,199 slowly slipping down like, you know, his sense of worth. 1393 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,719 [laughs loudly] 1394 00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,079 Fucking idiot, what a waste of cake. 1395 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,039 [laughs] 1396 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,000 I've been abused 1397 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:31,800 I've been physically assaulted 1398 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,320 five times since March 1399 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,679 twice in one night. 1400 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,800 In nightclubs, outside of nightclubs 1401 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,199 getting into Ubers. 1402 00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:43,519 I've had people spit on me, 1403 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,280 but I've faced them down every time 1404 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,360 and I win and I carry on 1405 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,119 and I get brighter and louder 1406 00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:52,400 and er? 1407 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,159 if? [sniffs] 1408 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,679 if I stop doing it they win basically. 1409 00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:00,639 That can't happen, that's not acceptable, 1410 00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:01,800 that's not an option. 1411 00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,800 So we just had a great night at Cirque Le Soir. 1412 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,719 It was such a good night, it was such a high. 1413 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,159 Everyone was getting along 1414 00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:16,480 and then, I said goodbye to everyone 1415 00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:17,880 I got on the bus 1416 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,360 I went up to the top, back, 1417 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,199 that's where I always sit, my favourite seat 1418 00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,199 and as soon as I sat down there were three girls 1419 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,000 who started shouting 1420 00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,039 so I put my music in, blocked them out 1421 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,119 just ignore them, hope it goes away... 1422 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:35,840 and it didn't. 1423 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,559 They started throwing stuff at me 1424 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,760 they poured Coca Cola on my hair 1425 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,400 threw chips at me. 1426 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,159 [attacker] Film me and see how that goes. 1427 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:46,960 Oh my days! 1428 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,679 It was the words that hurt 1429 00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,400 it wasn't just being assaulted 1430 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,960 because I've got thick skin, I can take it. 1431 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,840 It was the words that they used. 1432 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,800 [Chai] Back the fuck off! 1433 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,199 [attacker 2] Are you fuck-- 1434 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,960 Pervert, pedophile... 1435 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,480 -[attacker 1] Chill, chill. -[attacker 2] Delete that. 1436 01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,960 "You're a disgrace, abomination." 1437 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,239 [indistinct insults] 1438 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,800 You know horrendous, horrible, 1439 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,320 unthinkable... things 1440 01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:20,559 and for them to see me on the same level 1441 01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,840 for being positive and for expressing myself 1442 01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:25,880 that was the one that shook me most. 1443 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,800 [applause] 1444 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,920 "Forty five pairs of eyes 1445 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880 but not one statement from a witness 1446 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,920 all the footage is out of date because they acted too late 1447 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,199 so tell me how do I forgive this?" 1448 01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,400 Well I've been bruised you know 1449 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,400 I've bled, that was the worst. 1450 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,199 As anyone does when they're attacking 1451 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:45,440 another human being 1452 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,400 they don't see beyond that, you know, 1453 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,199 that's someone's child they're attacking 1454 01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,000 and that's the other aspect. 1455 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:54,440 Someone's brother, sister... 1456 01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,159 They just see a target 1457 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,880 -and that's not what they are. - No. 1458 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,760 I would never not stand up for myself 1459 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,880 or my friends or my community 1460 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,480 and I feel, especially if you want to be a drag queen, 1461 01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:10,400 that's what the essence of it, it's the core, 1462 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,760 standing up 1463 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,639 and defying odds and boxes 1464 01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,440 and breaking down walls. 1465 01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,039 So for me to run and hide would be 1466 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,559 to me defeat the purpose of a drag queen. 1467 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,599 So I stand my ground 1468 01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:25,440 and then... 1469 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,079 I phone my mum... and cry. 1470 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,199 Because I'm just so tired 1471 01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,599 of having to fight all the time to be accepted. 1472 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,239 There's relief when I know he's physically safe 1473 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,440 but I fear each time the phone goes. 1474 01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:44,559 I didn't know. 1475 01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:50,639 I should have brought a tissue. 1476 01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,119 [both laugh] 1477 01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,199 -You've got sleeves. -No, I haven't. 1478 01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:58,199 I fear each time the phone goes that it's something worse. 1479 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,800 People say to me about 1480 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,760 having my son living in London 1481 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,679 we've got family in America 1482 01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:11,119 and their fear is terrorist attacks 1483 01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:15,079 and that's not something I ever worry about generally 1484 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,719 because my reality is the day to day fear 1485 01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,920 that my son is going to be abused or beaten 1486 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:25,639 for who he is, not for hurting people, 1487 01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:27,559 but for expressing himself 1488 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,360 in a manner that makes him happy 1489 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,599 and I fear every time the phone goes. 1490 01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:38,679 But I don't want him to stop. 1491 01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:39,519 [both laugh] 1492 01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:42,440 I don't want him to stop 1493 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,599 because I don't think he should stop being 1494 01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,320 who he is for anyone. 1495 01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,039 Because that just makes the world a smaller 1496 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,239 and a sadder and darker place. 1497 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,360 Drag is definitely a protest. 1498 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,719 Ehm, it's a protest, it's subversive, it is... 1499 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,639 [sighs] I mean it feels 1500 01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:04,880 so... trite to just say 1501 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,039 ?sticking it to the man? but it really is. 1502 01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,039 It's a disruption 1503 01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,400 that I think even in a microcosm like London 1504 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,960 we just take it for granted that people are liberal 1505 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,599 and understanding but actually... 1506 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:18,400 the people living in London 1507 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,199 are from so many different backgrounds 1508 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:21,960 where they haven't been exposed 1509 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,639 to even the slightest bit of queerness 1510 01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:25,960 for them to even see a drag queen 1511 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,440 especially a brown bearded one 1512 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,199 who's fat and takes up space. 1513 01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,639 I think that is a huge disruption for me. 1514 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,599 I do sort of toy with the idea 1515 01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:38,639 of if I do want to perform for straight audiences. 1516 01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:41,440 if I want to be doing something that's so mainstream 1517 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,639 because one thing that other people 1518 01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,440 who are drag queens or work within queer circles 1519 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,400 would say is that actually sometimes it can feel 1520 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,039 like you're preaching to the converted. 1521 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,559 If you're queer and you're talking about queer issues 1522 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,239 to queer people then what are you ultimately doing? 1523 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,599 Yeah you might be queer but if you're white 1524 01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,360 there is an element of privilege in that 1525 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,960 and I'm going to point that out. 1526 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,920 And that in itself is a protest, I think. 1527 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,159 Saying ?No, this is what your normal is 1528 01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:08,639 this isn't the norm of everyone." 1529 01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,480 Yeah, I would say it's a protest 1530 01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,239 both in queer circles and outside in the mainstream. 1531 01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,960 People walk away from my performances 1532 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,119 with their minds changed about something 1533 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,400 because actually that's the primary purpose 1534 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,199 I make something to make people change their minds about it. 1535 01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:30,199 And at the same time it can be a desperate existence 1536 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,320 just doing this day in day out 1537 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,199 and thinking what is the fucking overall purpose of this? 1538 01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:36,800 What am I actually trying to do? 1539 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,400 Am I just doing this because I want to be famous? 1540 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,639 Shockingly I don't really enjoy drag in the same way 1541 01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:44,679 that I get a thrill from doing it all the time. 1542 01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:48,719 I enjoy being able to be subversive with it. 1543 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,360 [Bimini] Yeah I think in the last year 1544 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,119 I've definitely evolved a lot. 1545 01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,599 Grown to understand myself a lot more. 1546 01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,679 I'll always carry that addictive personality 1547 01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,639 but now I try to become addicted to things that I enjoy 1548 01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:08,280 like yoga or pole dancing, or fitness 1549 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,840 and I become obsessive with it. 1550 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,880 For my drive and what I want to do 1551 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,880 and my ambition and my creativity 1552 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,639 it's done wonders for it. 1553 01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,199 Disco, come on! 1554 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:19,719 Good boy. 1555 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,400 This year something just changed 1556 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,960 and I' ve really worked my ass off 1557 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,039 this summer performing... 1558 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:29,360 Done many festivals, done cruise ships 1559 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,719 and it's been amazing, and I'm so blessed to be booked 1560 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,239 and I'm blessed to be 1561 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,280 doing something that I really enjoy doing. 1562 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,199 So pole dancing is something that I've really always loved 1563 01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:43,199 because it's always been... 1564 01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,079 kind of soaked in this femininity. 1565 01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,880 Dancers and sensual women, and... 1566 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,320 strong women as well, like you've got to be strong 1567 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,360 and you've got to really work at it 1568 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,159 to be able to build yourself up on the pole. 1569 01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:57,599 I've always aspired to it. 1570 01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:59,280 With yoga it helped, 1571 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,079 they kind of go together, 1572 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,079 even though they're polar opposites 1573 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:04,599 in what people would expect 1574 01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:06,480 they really do compliment each other. 1575 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,400 I mean you don't often see 1576 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,239 people performing pole anywhere. 1577 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,559 I like bringing something a bit different 1578 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:16,840 to my performance. 1579 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,639 [dance music] 1580 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:19,519 [audience cheering] 1581 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,039 I don't feel the urge to do the things I used to do. 1582 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,480 I feel a lot stronger, I can say no. 1583 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,280 Yeah I can't ever see myself going down that path 1584 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,079 I think I've worked too hard to get to where I am now 1585 01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:36,320 for me to slip back into my old ways. 1586 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,480 [disco music playing] 1587 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,199 It went really well. 1588 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:50,519 The first time I've performed it 1589 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,000 so it's gonna be my new number, 1590 01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,000 I really had fun 1591 01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:55,599 and I think everyone else enjoyed it as well 1592 01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:57,480 which is always good to get good feedback. 1593 01:06:57,519 --> 01:06:59,639 But it was very impromptu like no introduction 1594 01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,000 just like walk on the stage and everyone's like 1595 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,840 everyone's looking, yeah, it was good. 1596 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,760 [disco music] 1597 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,400 [audience cheering] 1598 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,480 [music continues playing] 1599 01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:02,400 The power of makeup. 1600 01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:06,079 Then a little bit of brown. 1601 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,519 Oh yeah look, gone. 1602 01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:11,639 [piano playing] 1603 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,039 For me being in school was never a place I could be queer. 1604 01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:21,800 So for me to now be visibly femme 1605 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,399 and being in nurseries and schools is quite nice. 1606 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,199 I went to a really posh conservatoire and hated it. 1607 01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,119 It was amazing and the education was amazing 1608 01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:32,159 but it was just such an alien world for me. 1609 01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:33,520 I love classical music 1610 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,680 but I'm from a working class family 1611 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,439 and like it's very, I was always the odd one out 1612 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,079 because I like classical music and it was really weird 1613 01:08:41,119 --> 01:08:43,720 and I wanna make it more accessible 1614 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,199 and basically I just want all of the communities 1615 01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,279 I've experienced and met 1616 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,199 through being part of the queer community 1617 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,199 and artists I've worked with 1618 01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,840 drag queens, performers, poets, strippers, 1619 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,399 I want to include everyone 1620 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,399 within the medium of classical music. 1621 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,680 So it all kind of stems from that idea 1622 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,239 of taking things out of perspective and putting it 1623 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,319 into a place it wouldn't normally be seen. 1624 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,760 The classism and elitism and ableism 1625 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,880 around classical music. 1626 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,119 Ehm, I was getting frustrated 1627 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,800 so I started going to the cabaret scene 1628 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,159 out on the cabaret scene 1629 01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:20,199 and I was seeing things like in pub basements 1630 01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:21,600 that were blowing me away 1631 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,399 just made with cardboard and tinsel 1632 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,720 but the performance and the passion 1633 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,199 and the emotion behind it all 1634 01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,199 was so overwhelming 1635 01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,039 so I want to broaden 1636 01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:33,720 the audience accessibility of classical music. 1637 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,800 It's so exclusive. 1638 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,720 So yeah I just want to try and change that somehow 1639 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,119 in my own little way and give people the opportunity 1640 01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:43,119 to work in classical music, because I love it, 1641 01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,079 and I want to share that as well. 1642 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,920 Please go mad for my very good friends 1643 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,880 one of the reasons that I'm here on the Isle of Wight so often. 1644 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,600 They're wonderful, they're talented 1645 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,960 if not slightly sagging from the waist down. 1646 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,760 Ladies and gentlemen, please go mad 1647 01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,520 for the Camp Hill Coooookies! 1648 01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:03,800 So this evening, some of my good friends 1649 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,000 from the Isle of Wight 1650 01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:07,640 a group called the Camp Hill Cookies 1651 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,159 and they're burlesque chair dancers 1652 01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:12,760 and they're probably the campest women I've ever met. 1653 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,720 They're ladies who-- 1654 01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,279 Some of them have never performed in their life 1655 01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:19,680 and they come and they do these classes, and some of it 1656 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,800 is about exercise and weight loss and all kinds. 1657 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,880 But they perform and they're absolutely amazing. 1658 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,359 You know if you'd have said ?Oh well there's a drag queen 1659 01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,279 performing on Monday night? people would go ?No.? 1660 01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:29,800 And if you told them there was a group 1661 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,199 of 15, 20 middle aged women 1662 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,600 performing burlesque routines in a social club 1663 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,760 next to a disused prison to have fun 1664 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,439 make friends, lose weight, 1665 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,960 you'd say exactly the same thing 1666 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,640 but it's amazing, they're so talented 1667 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,880 and it's lovely to see and I resonate with it I guess 1668 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,000 that look of pure joy of just having fun doing it 1669 01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,800 and just thinking balls to everything else. 1670 01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:57,560 [piano plays classical music] 1671 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,800 [applause] 1672 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,000 [Barbs] Oh, thank you. 1673 01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:12,800 [man] Absolutely wonderful ma'am. 1674 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,399 [Barbs] Thank you very much. 1675 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,680 -I'll do another one. -[man] Oh, thank you very much. 1676 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,239 Ruining the illusion. 1677 01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,399 [Matt] I thought it was all your normal hair. 1678 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,520 Oh really? 1679 01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:36,760 I wish. 1680 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,840 -[Matt] It's getting there -It's getting there 1681 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,119 [Lucas] I was going to say the colors almost match. 1682 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:43,600 I know! I'm so lucky, 1683 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,720 because that's a really cheap wig as well. 1684 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,600 Yeah, it's like ยฃ8.99 each. 1685 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,279 I'm very low maintenance. 1686 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,560 -[Matt] Shit drag. -[giggles] Yeah, shit drag. 1687 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:53,920 -[Matt] Do you want me to undo it? 1688 01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,359 -Yeah. 1689 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,279 [Barbs] I think it is... 1690 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,520 There we go, ta-da. 1691 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,640 [Jacqui sings out of tune] 1692 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:12,439 I should have been a singer. 1693 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,760 [woman sings more out of tune] 1694 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:16,439 You shouldn't of. 1695 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,760 There's nothing more than I love 1696 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,279 than a sing along up here. 1697 01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:26,159 [woman] Can I just have a look at your makeup? 1698 01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,640 You can, I've taken my eyelashes off. 1699 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,399 -[woman] Unfortunately. -I'm very sweaty. 1700 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,920 [woman] You look so gorgeous. 1701 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,840 [woman] Oh my God. 1702 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,640 [Jacqui] This has become some sort of weird family self help group. 1703 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,039 I'm certainly not being paid enough for this. 1704 01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:42,800 [laughs loudly] 1705 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,960 I got grandsons in their thirties 1706 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,279 and yes, they talk to me just like that 1707 01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:51,359 and I talk to them back just like that. 1708 01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:52,760 [laughs] 1709 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,800 He uses all the swear words I do 1710 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,439 and... all the filth. 1711 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,439 I reckon he's gorgeous. 1712 01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:05,119 I'm 76 and if I was younger I would go for it. 1713 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,119 [laughs loudly] 1714 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:09,880 We are the superfans. 1715 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,000 I'll give you my address so you can do the injunction 1716 01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:13,560 when you need to. 1717 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,520 [all laugh] 1718 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,399 -She's not joking. -I'm not, I'm so not. 1719 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,199 He's probably the only one 1720 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,119 on the island that we've seen, ever. 1721 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,840 But it's amazing because we've got quite 1722 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,399 a closed community on the island so it's something different. 1723 01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,159 The island is a bit reserved 1724 01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:33,640 and the island needs Jack. 1725 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,239 [Matt] Do you still live with Tommy and Dan? 1726 01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:44,079 No, I don't live with Tommy and Dan anymore. 1727 01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,920 So many big personalities in a house. 1728 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,359 It was beautiful, we had all these ideas. 1729 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,760 Tommy taught me so much about discipline. 1730 01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,399 While I was living there I just felt... 1731 01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,680 "This is a really good opportunity." 1732 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,960 There's so many people that... 1733 01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:04,840 have so many things around them that we can build on. 1734 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,720 But it wasn't really teaming. 1735 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,800 It was just like, you had a gig, this had a gig, 1736 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,479 Tommy had a gig, Dan had a gig 1737 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,840 and we couldn't live in a house together as well 1738 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800 and not become family. 1739 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,399 Come on darling, come on Barbs, get that down. 1740 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,199 And that's where I learned, 1741 01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:27,439 where my family weren't so supportive of the drag. 1742 01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,960 They always have my back in some sort of sense. 1743 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,960 Whereas the drag family at 66 1744 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,399 didn't always have my back 1745 01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,600 but they were supportive of my drag 1746 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,960 and I had to balance that out between two families 1747 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,039 and it wasn't like Luke was in one place 1748 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:43,520 and Camile was in the other. 1749 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,000 Every time I go back home it's a little bit more warmer. 1750 01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,000 Me, my sister... and my two nieces. 1751 01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:52,880 It's like my sister doesn't want them 1752 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,720 to see anything that I do like that. 1753 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,680 I need to come as an educator if I'm going to do anything 1754 01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,079 because when the kids grow up 1755 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:00,840 they're going to go to school 1756 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,359 with it, that, this, she, him. 1757 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,800 I don' t want them to feel like they're like I was 1758 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,279 very sheltered and very shelled, 1759 01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:11,800 because it takes years 1760 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,119 and I think it's going to take a few more years 1761 01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,840 until I can completely come out 1762 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,640 because its not just coming out 1763 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,720 as a gay sexual, bisexual or whatever I am 1764 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,399 masculine, feminine, 1765 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,920 trans, you know, "it", like this. 1766 01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:34,079 If I can do it round them 1767 01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:36,000 if I can be who I am around them 1768 01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:37,399 then I can be myself around anyone. 1769 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,520 I would cry, it would overwhelm me so much. 1770 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,239 That's where I get to in my dreams 1771 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:45,000 if something makes me feel that much 1772 01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:46,680 it means I want it that bad. 1773 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,199 It's just the fact that I want to be able to sing 1774 01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:52,840 and be able to not be scared of this. 1775 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,079 This is the worst thing I fear and I have to get through it. 1776 01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:57,680 If I don't get through it 1777 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,119 I'm not going to find that peace that I was looking for. 1778 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:02,560 -[soft music] -[car engine revs] 1779 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,640 [Chai] So we are at Byline Festival 1780 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000 which is a poetry, 1781 01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,119 literature and music festival. 1782 01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:10,920 I've been partying 1783 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,439 doing drag, because I stopped drag 1784 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,239 for a little bit before the last interview 1785 01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:17,199 due to the abuse I was receiving 1786 01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,000 and it sort of gave me a refuel 1787 01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:21,880 after doing this a year ago. 1788 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,880 Since then I've hosted at Homehouse 1789 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,199 which is the fashion house ball 1790 01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:29,520 which I did for New Years Eve, and then Amsterdam 1791 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,239 and then we've done performances together as well 1792 01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,039 spoken word which I've done in drag 1793 01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:36,439 so yeah, this will be my first drag performance. 1794 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,119 -I think I've grown a lot. -[Alby] Yeah. 1795 01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:41,800 I think you've become a lot more confident 1796 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,359 and I think you've learned a lot about yourself through drag. 1797 01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:48,800 Who you are and the persona 1798 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,760 you want to present to the world 1799 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,640 and how you wish other people to perceive you. 1800 01:17:56,279 --> 01:17:59,880 There will always be people who don't have the same opinions 1801 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,399 or perceptions, and that's okay for people to have that. 1802 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,079 It's when they attack your child multiple times. 1803 01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:07,439 That doesn't leave you. 1804 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,239 [presenter] She is the most wonderful star 1805 01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:13,399 sometimes called Chai Latte, 1806 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,000 sometimes called Skinny Latte, 1807 01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:17,319 sometimes just Latte with Cream. 1808 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,199 [Chai] Bricking it mate. Oh my god, I'm shitting it. 1809 01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:23,399 But I 'm also just so excited. 1810 01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,319 This will be the first time I've rapped the poems. 1811 01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:31,199 It's a pro-drag queen, pro-femme. 1812 01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:33,119 It's about being different 1813 01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:36,079 and not accepting the responsibility 1814 01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:38,840 of other people's thoughts and views 1815 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,199 in their small mindedness. 1816 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:42,399 [soft music] 1817 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,000 [rapping] * Desert sands over London * 1818 01:18:48,039 --> 01:18:49,399 * Cast a crimson sky * 1819 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,000 * I saw a mother pointing * 1820 01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:52,600 * Covering her daughter's eyes * 1821 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,399 * I walked right by in my rose gold satin thigh * 1822 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:59,079 * Highs they, They said it was a sign... * 1823 01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:05,159 [Chai] Fucking exhilarating 1824 01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:06,920 and nerve wrecking and emotional. 1825 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,560 I can't describe the feeling you know, it was great. 1826 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,640 To be able to get to that stage of your life 1827 01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,279 where you can get up on stage in front of people 1828 01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:16,600 and perform your own work 1829 01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:19,800 it's been like a five year journey 1830 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,760 that's culminated now 1831 01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,800 and I can't describe how proud I am of myself. 1832 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,600 It's great. 1833 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:29,680 You've got to remember is gender is learned 1834 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,760 and what we're doing is un-learning it 1835 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,039 breaking it down. 1836 01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:35,159 Making it what we want it to be 1837 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,279 and not what somebody tells us it should be 1838 01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:39,399 If you're masculine you've got to be angry 1839 01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,479 or if a woman's angry it's seen very differently 1840 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,880 It's in everything, marketing, advertising, 1841 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,000 it's male and female, it's split up 1842 01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:48,960 so it's just getting rid of that. 1843 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,680 [Barbs] I often have people thinking-- 1844 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,960 mistaking me for being trans or something 1845 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,920 and it's like, "No, this is all a performance 1846 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,079 this is all a character" 1847 01:19:56,119 --> 01:19:59,159 but it also allows me to go out of the house 1848 01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,399 and explore my gender fluidity a bit more. 1849 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,399 It's a really great way to build confidence. 1850 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,159 You know it takes a lot of guts 1851 01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,279 to go outside in drag in day time. 1852 01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,119 I think it's very important to be visible. 1853 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,439 [Camile] A lot of people wear masks all day 1854 01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,640 they work their 9-5, they don't come out of that mask. 1855 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:18,840 Even though you don't change 1856 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,199 people change around you 1857 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,399 because they have to adjust to what they see 1858 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,640 [Bimini] Putting on a wig and a heel 1859 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:25,760 you feel invincible. 1860 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:26,960 As ridiculous as it sounds 1861 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,439 but it's more like a mask 1862 01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:32,800 [Camile] You go into it thinking that the fear comes from you, 1863 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,279 but the fear is coming from them. 1864 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,520 [Barbs] And it does have a benefit 1865 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,920 especially for 15, 16, 17, 18 year olds 1866 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,239 who grow up in small town and are not exposed to this. 1867 01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:45,039 Especially to being queer 1868 01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:46,800 which is different to being gay 1869 01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,800 so you know I think it's really important 1870 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,039 in that kind of setting. 1871 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,279 I have a lot of hope for the generations below us. 1872 01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:58,079 I think there's so much happening now already. 1873 01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:00,039 [Camile] They're going to be like our X-men. 1874 01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:02,600 [Barbs] Brilliant, so they're going 1875 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,960 to pave the way for the generations after them, 1876 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,159 It will always be changing and developing 1877 01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:10,439 so I think in that sense it will always be relevant. 1878 01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,359 We're all odd. That's what makes us all even. 1879 01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:16,279 [giggles] Yeah, yeah. 143519

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