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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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- Where are your toes?
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There's your toes?
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Where are your fingers?
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[laughing]
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Hi, Daddy.
That's right.
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- Hi, everybody.
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We start with breaking news
in Madison tonight,
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where a body has been found
in a waterfront home there.
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Police tonight are treating it
as a homicide.
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- News Channel 8
first on the scene
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at Middle Beach Road.
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News Channel 8's Sara Welchjoins us
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live in Madison tonight,and what do you know, Sara?
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- Madison policeand state police have been
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out at this homeat 44 Middle Beach Road
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since about 11:30 this morning.
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Let's take a look.
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You can see the road is
blocked off by police.
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They are treating this case
as a homicide.
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It's hard to see
44 Middle Beach Road
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from this vantage point.
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Here's what we do know:
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a woman in her late 40s wasfound injured in her yard.
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She was pronounced deadat the scene.
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- Police are not releasingthe victim's name,
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but News Channel 8 has learned
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that a womannamed Barbara Hamburg
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rents the house.
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- I said, "No, you're nottelling me that.
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It's not real."
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And it was real.
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It was like being hit
by a boulder.
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- I had two voicemailsfrom my father,
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two voicemails from Leu,and three from Chris.
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And I went, "Well,
either we hit the lottery,
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or something awful
has happened.
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- What wasyour first reaction?
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- Didn't sound rightthe whole way up here.
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You know, essentially saying
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that my sister had
been murdered.
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Um...
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[solemn music]
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♪ ♪
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- I remember my mom texted me.
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And I was just, like, standingin the middle of the terminal
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like, "What the fuck?"
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- What happenedwhen you got home?
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- Oh, man.
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Like, the chaos begins.
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- The medical examiner rulingthe killing a homicide,
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describing the cause of deathas "blunt force trauma
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and sharp force injury."
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- What kind of wounds
did she have?
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- She was stabbed.
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She had a terrible head wound.
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Her carotid arterywas stabbed.
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All over.
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They say it was 18 times.
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- Right now, the coroner,M.E. are on scene.
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State police,
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along with Madison police,are on scene,
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trying to figure outwho killed this woman.
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- Police won't sayif the killing was random,
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or if this motherwas targeted.
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- This is a crime of passion.
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People don't get murdered,
and that brutally,
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without it being
a very personal thing.
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- Stunned and shocked, friends
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of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburgflooding Facebook,
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offering sympathy
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for her teenage sonand daughter.
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Meantime, detectives combingthe yard where she was found.
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- I know it's--it's tough
to think about this.
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I just have a couple questions.
- Yeah, it's fine.
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- What wasyour best recollection
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of coming home?
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- Something wasn't right.
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We were calling her.
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We couldn't get in touchwith her.
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- Ali and I pulled up,
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and Ali's like, "Why isMom's car in the driveway?"
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And I said, "I don't know.
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I don't know, Al."
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- Her keys were in the door,but the door was locked.
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And we go insideand we're screaming her name.
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We're calling out for her.
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We don't know where she is.
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- She's nowhere to be found.
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Nothing is making sense.
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- I go around the house,
and I hear Conway screaming.
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- I see these cushionsup against the bushes
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and I'm like, "What the hell?"
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So I pull one cushion off
and I'm like, "Oh.
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It's an animal."
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- Why did you think
it was an animal?
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- All I could see was, like,
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mushed-up hair and blood.
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- So you pull back
the second cushion,
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what happens?
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- It's your mom.
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- Hi, Madison.
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Madison!
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Hi.
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- Barbara Hamburg's son posted
a message on Facebook
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saying now is the time
to stay strong.
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That's what his mother
would've wanted.
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- She said, "Mom's dead."
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I just wanted to wake up.
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'Cause I knewthat that couldn't be real.
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Everything that was important
in my life then
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within, like, a split second...
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- ♪ Happy birthday,dear Madison ♪
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- Meant nothing.
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[sweeping orchestra music]
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♪ ♪
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narrator: We're about to takea brief tour of Connecticut.
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In this astronaut's-eye viewfrom outer space,
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it appears smallgeographically,
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but it loomsincreasingly large
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the closer one approaches.
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Connecticut isstrategically located
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between New York and Boston
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in the heart of the richnortheastern market.
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It's a stateof dynamic economic growth,
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rich in varietyand full of opportunity.
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[line rings]
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- Are you busy right now?
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- So I told youI've been working
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on, like, a couple projects,right?
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- I'm doing a documentaryon my mom.
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- Yeah.
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And I was just callingto ask you
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if you would be willing--
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I'm going to Connecticutthis weekend.
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I was asking you
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if you would be willing to...
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to be interviewed about it.
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- Just about, like, her life.
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- What do you mean?
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[ominous music]
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♪ ♪
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- There they are.
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Hi, Grammy.
- Morning.
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[both laugh]
- Good morning.
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- Hi, sweetness.
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How's my dear grandson?
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- How are you?
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- Aww, it's good to see you,
honeybunch.
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[kissing]
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- Is it good?
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Check, one, two, one, two.
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- This is a picture
of the four Barbaras.
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That's my mother,
known as Gram,
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on the right, Barbara,
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and in the middle,
that's me, Barbara,
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and this is Madison's mom
on the left, Barbara,
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and that's Ali, who is really
Barbara Alexandra.
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So we have four Barbaras.
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And two of them are
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It's hard to believe that part.
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And we have...
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Madison, Ali, and Brian.
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Brian is Maddie's half brother,
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who is a doctor.
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[laughs]
- Yeah.
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This is great.
I love your glasses.
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- Oh, my gosh.
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Barbie looked the most like me
of all my daughters.
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I would go down
to Grandparents' Day
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and people would come along
and they'd say,
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"I know who you are."
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[both laugh]
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"You're Madison's grandma,
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"'cause you look
just like Barbie.
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Barbie looks just like you."
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- Can you describe
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the last time
you talked to her?
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- Your mom?
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[sighs]
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Well, I can describe
the last time I saw her better.
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She was here.
She was visiting.
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And she and I sat in that bed
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and talked a long timethat night before she left.
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About life and, you know...
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[soft music]
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I remember distinctly
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her walking away...
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- Everybody smile.
- Yeah.
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- Aww.
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- And I know I talked to Momon the phone
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after that many times,but that image sticks with me.
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That's an important image.
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And that was not too longbefore she was murdered.
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We had a great relationship,
your mom and I.
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We truly, truly did.
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So I miss her terribly.
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And hopefully this will...
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you'll get a good grade.
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[both laugh]
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- That's not
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- Oh, it's not?
- No, this is way more.
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This is...
- Oh, I know.
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- Kay.
- I love you.
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- I love you too.
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- The hardest thing for mewas to watch you
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have to go through all that,
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'cause you were 18
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and you had to actlike you were...
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21, 22, 23.
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That had to bevery, very hard, Maddie.
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The rest of us couldn't do itfor you.
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You had to do it.
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- The vigil startedabout a half hour ago
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with family and friendsgathering around.
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They lit candlesin her memory.
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They wanna keep it freshin the public's memory
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in casesomebody comes forward.
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- It's just always thatunanswered question out there
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about your mom's murder.
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And it affectsthe entire family.
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- We believe if we continue
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to have these vigils
every year,
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that somewhere, someone,
they'll be able to come forward
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and help the policesolve the case.
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- Conway interview, take one.
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Marker.
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- Your mom was amazing.
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She was so smart.
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She had all the boys
wanting her.
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She was beautiful.
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And so many friends.
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So many friends.
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People just wantedto be with Barb.
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She was a treasure.
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She was my baby sister.
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♪ ♪
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- She was great fun
to be around.
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I can see her
coming up the stairs.
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- Your mother had secrets,so I don't know.
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She didn't share
all of her secrets with me.
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But I always knew
she had secrets
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that were--
that were dark secrets,
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because she had this way
of breathing and smiling
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that, to me, it was a coverup
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for something that wasvery heavy in her heart.
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So I don't know what that was,
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but I just knewthere was something.
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Always knewthere was something.
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narrator: This is your world
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and the important peoplein it.
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The people who will love you,help you, and hinder you
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in your job of growingto be a man.
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Let's start with your fatherand mother.
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In a few days,they take you home,
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and someof the most important days
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of your life begin.
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- Ran right to the dog.
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♪ Oh, the weather outside
is frightful ♪
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♪ Doo doo-doo shoo-doo
the words ♪
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♪ Let it snow, let it snow,
let it snow ♪
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- Well, you grew up
with a silver spoon, you know.
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You had everythingyou needed, wanted.
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You livedin a beautiful house.
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Then you had the housein Connecticut
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that was a summer housefor a while.
268
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- Oh.
Uh-oh.
269
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Whoa.
- Little sailor.
270
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- Say "Thank you, Mommy."
271
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- They tried to educate you,send you to the best schools.
272
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[laughter and chatter]
273
00:13:32,005 --> 00:13:34,085
There were nanniesand chauffeurs.
274
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- There's Daddy.
Ooh, there you go!
275
00:13:37,005 --> 00:13:38,125
Daddy.
276
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Getting ready for school.
277
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That's a nice outfit.
278
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Say bye-bye to Daddy.
279
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[tape grinds]
280
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- Your father wasa multi-multimillionaire.
281
00:13:49,214 --> 00:13:52,134
He was CEOof Southern Electric.
282
00:13:52,214 --> 00:13:55,924
announcer:The Southern Company.
283
00:13:56,005 --> 00:13:58,295
- You know, your mom waswearing nicer clothes,
284
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and, you know, just--
285
00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:04,915
things seemed simplerfor her financially.
286
00:14:05,005 --> 00:14:08,045
He seemed likea really nice man.
287
00:14:09,589 --> 00:14:12,299
- In the beginning, oh, God,the day I met your father,
288
00:14:12,381 --> 00:14:14,631
he--I laughed so hard
I was crying.
289
00:14:14,714 --> 00:14:17,174
He was one
of the most charismatic,
290
00:14:17,255 --> 00:14:19,505
funny, intelligent people,
291
00:14:19,589 --> 00:14:21,339
and to your mother, he was--
292
00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:23,172
he was the knightin shining armor.
293
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He was a prince.
294
00:14:25,297 --> 00:14:28,337
[tender music]
295
00:14:28,422 --> 00:14:30,342
I think your mom thought
296
00:14:30,422 --> 00:14:33,512
and believedin her heart of hearts
297
00:14:33,589 --> 00:14:36,759
that she marriedthe man of her dreams.
298
00:14:38,381 --> 00:14:41,881
- She was head over heelsin love
299
00:14:42,005 --> 00:14:44,045
and felt like
300
00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:48,090
she was kinda living the dream.
301
00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:52,880
Hawaii and traveling the worldand...
302
00:14:52,964 --> 00:14:56,304
I think she really feltthis was wonderful.
303
00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:59,877
- Whee!
304
00:14:59,964 --> 00:15:04,384
Smile for the camera
with your big tongue.
305
00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,264
- Nice Mommy.
- Hi.
306
00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:08,259
- Having babies,
307
00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,879
she just came alive.
308
00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:13,384
- What a beautiful boy!
309
00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:16,304
What a beautiful boy!
310
00:15:17,964 --> 00:15:20,764
- I think that she thought,"Wow, this is--
311
00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:23,129
"this is real.
312
00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,804
"This is valuable.
313
00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,591
This makes me important."
314
00:15:26,673 --> 00:15:28,763
- [laughs]
315
00:15:28,839 --> 00:15:30,089
- I think she wasa great mother.
316
00:15:30,172 --> 00:15:31,592
I really do.
317
00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:34,093
- I mean, if she could put up
with me, she was--
318
00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:36,552
anyone that could put up
with me was a good mom.
319
00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,801
- Maddie, you were not
a bad child.
320
00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:40,761
I don't know
where you get that.
321
00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:42,419
- Do you like it?
322
00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,546
Is it good?
323
00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:47,295
- I always knewyou'd be doing this
324
00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:49,261
because you were always
the little director.
325
00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:51,169
It was hysterical.
326
00:15:51,255 --> 00:15:52,705
You were the manbehind the camera.
327
00:15:52,798 --> 00:15:54,258
- That's it.
- That weird?
328
00:15:54,339 --> 00:15:56,089
- It's--look at my teeth.
329
00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:57,922
- I'm glad to see
you're doing it.
330
00:15:58,005 --> 00:16:01,585
♪ ♪
331
00:16:01,673 --> 00:16:03,513
- They had you and Ali.
332
00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:09,959
So I think in the beginning,it was very good.
333
00:16:10,047 --> 00:16:12,507
But, you know,
334
00:16:12,589 --> 00:16:15,299
stuff happens, right?
335
00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:18,091
Things change.
336
00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:21,262
- Is the documentary about
Barbie being murdered,
337
00:16:21,339 --> 00:16:23,629
or is the documentary about
who Barbie was?
338
00:16:23,714 --> 00:16:25,464
- Who she was.
- Yeah?
339
00:16:25,547 --> 00:16:28,127
- It's about--
I mean, that's a part--
340
00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:31,014
it's about her life,
and that is a part of her life,
341
00:16:31,089 --> 00:16:34,709
and then it's also
kind of about the family too.
342
00:16:37,923 --> 00:16:39,803
- [clears throat]
343
00:16:39,881 --> 00:16:42,841
[soft dramatic music]
344
00:16:42,923 --> 00:16:44,173
♪ ♪
345
00:16:44,255 --> 00:16:47,335
- There she is.
346
00:16:47,422 --> 00:16:50,172
Purple on white.
347
00:16:50,255 --> 00:16:51,375
- I don't knowwhat had turned,
348
00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:53,844
but something had turned.
349
00:16:53,923 --> 00:16:56,673
I remember looking at her
one time
350
00:16:56,756 --> 00:16:59,006
and she looked so different.
351
00:16:59,089 --> 00:17:03,379
She seemed...hurt.
352
00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:06,344
Like she was pretending.
353
00:17:06,422 --> 00:17:09,512
And I could tell that theirrelationship was different.
354
00:17:09,589 --> 00:17:12,669
And then when we would visit,Jeff wasn't even there.
355
00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:14,876
It was just visiting Barbie.
356
00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:18,304
And I didn't ask her about it.
I didn't talk about it.
357
00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:21,511
I'm sorry I didn't.
358
00:17:21,589 --> 00:17:24,209
- I mean, she was living
such a privileged life
359
00:17:24,297 --> 00:17:25,377
when she met your father,
360
00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:29,384
and you guys were livingsuch a privileged life.
361
00:17:29,464 --> 00:17:32,094
- There's Daddy.
What a wonderful man.
362
00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:34,512
And a hard worker.
363
00:17:34,589 --> 00:17:37,209
- But your dad got in trouble
364
00:17:37,297 --> 00:17:39,667
when he was workingat Southern Electric,
365
00:17:39,756 --> 00:17:43,546
and they fired him
366
00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:47,801
for making an illegal dealout of the country.
367
00:17:49,089 --> 00:17:50,879
But he took them to court,
368
00:17:50,964 --> 00:17:54,634
and he won $3.5 million,I believe,
369
00:17:54,714 --> 00:17:56,634
for defamation of character.
370
00:18:03,631 --> 00:18:07,881
- I think after what happenedat Southern,
371
00:18:07,964 --> 00:18:10,554
something changed him.
372
00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:14,261
- Your mom always said thatthat was such a blow to him.
373
00:18:14,339 --> 00:18:16,759
He was always tryingto prove himself
374
00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,459
by doing other ventures.
375
00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:21,667
And then when he started
to travel and not come home,
376
00:18:21,756 --> 00:18:23,456
that's when the problems began
377
00:18:23,547 --> 00:18:27,257
because your mother wasleft alone all the time.
378
00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:29,799
And she was feeling likea single mother.
379
00:18:29,881 --> 00:18:33,841
And she was feeling as though
she had been deserted.
380
00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:38,172
- Your dad pretty muchabandoned her.
381
00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:41,592
So she filed for divorce.
382
00:18:41,673 --> 00:18:43,713
That was really
a tough decision
383
00:18:43,798 --> 00:18:46,418
for her to make, you know?
384
00:18:46,506 --> 00:18:48,546
- The angerthat your father had
385
00:18:48,631 --> 00:18:51,421
over your motherending the marriage came out
386
00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,256
in not supporting herphysically;
387
00:18:54,339 --> 00:18:57,009
not giving child support,not paying for the bills,
388
00:18:57,089 --> 00:19:00,339
not taking careof any of the financial parts
389
00:19:00,422 --> 00:19:03,462
that he wassupposed to take care of.
390
00:19:03,547 --> 00:19:05,507
He just wantedto impoverish her.
391
00:19:05,589 --> 00:19:07,629
It seemed like a goal
392
00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,464
that he had set for himself.
393
00:19:10,547 --> 00:19:12,757
And it was very sadto see that all happen,
394
00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,629
because there are so many morewonderful things to focus on
395
00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:18,464
than revenge and anger.
396
00:19:18,547 --> 00:19:21,127
- Bye-bye. I love you.
- Bye-bye.
397
00:19:21,214 --> 00:19:23,094
Bye-bye.
- Bye-bye, Daddy.
398
00:19:24,881 --> 00:19:26,131
- Good evening,ladies and gentlemen.
399
00:19:26,214 --> 00:19:27,304
Welcome for coming tonight.
400
00:19:27,381 --> 00:19:28,421
Madison Police Department,
401
00:19:28,506 --> 00:19:29,626
with the Connecticut
State Police
402
00:19:29,714 --> 00:19:31,344
and the office
of the chief state's attorney
403
00:19:31,422 --> 00:19:32,802
from New Haven County.
404
00:19:32,881 --> 00:19:34,171
We're continuing
our investigation
405
00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,165
into the death
of Barbara Hamburg
406
00:19:36,255 --> 00:19:39,625
from Middle Beach Road West
in Madison.
407
00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:43,804
At this time,
we're seeking to locate
408
00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:46,341
her former husband,
Jeffrey Hamburg,
409
00:19:46,422 --> 00:19:48,592
date of birth 8/5/48.
410
00:19:48,673 --> 00:19:51,673
He's a white male,
6 feet tall with hazel eyes.
411
00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:53,666
Last known address is in
West Hartford, Connecticut,
412
00:19:53,756 --> 00:19:55,126
Timberwood Road.
413
00:19:55,214 --> 00:19:56,344
- There's a statewide
manhunt on
414
00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:58,512
from Hartford to West Hartford,
even over to Windsor.
415
00:19:58,589 --> 00:19:59,709
We started off
in West Hartford.
416
00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,008
Take a look.
This is what we found.
417
00:20:01,089 --> 00:20:04,669
State police
at an affluent condo complex
418
00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:08,336
where the owner of recordis Jeffrey Hamburg.
419
00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:09,962
There were alsosome detectives
420
00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:12,047
at an Alstromengineering plant,
421
00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:14,670
where they say Hamburg worked.
422
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,086
They could not find him thereas well.
423
00:20:16,172 --> 00:20:17,342
Now, the neighbors
we talked to say
424
00:20:17,422 --> 00:20:19,422
Hamburg lives
in this condo complex.
425
00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,546
He's lived in this unit here
for about a year,
426
00:20:21,631 --> 00:20:24,341
though in that year time,
they've only seen him once.
427
00:20:24,422 --> 00:20:27,422
On his front doorstep,
the newspapers sit unread,
428
00:20:27,506 --> 00:20:29,166
and the people in the area
were surprised,
429
00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:31,375
especially when they saw
the state police come up
430
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:33,674
and ring the front door
looking for him.
431
00:20:35,589 --> 00:20:38,209
- Do you have any opinion
on who you--
432
00:20:38,297 --> 00:20:41,587
who you think
could've done this?
433
00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,923
- Well...
[clears throat]
434
00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:46,875
It seems to me that your father
was in the position
435
00:20:46,964 --> 00:20:51,384
to lose the most if she lived,
436
00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,924
and that was the day
he was supposed to go to jail.
437
00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,455
- Barbara Hamburg was to bein court this morning
438
00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,877
with her ex-husbandJeffrey Hamburg,
439
00:20:59,964 --> 00:21:02,594
but she never showed upfor that court hearing.
440
00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:04,763
- The couple divorced in 2005,
441
00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,209
followed by yearsof legal wrangling,
442
00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:10,127
and he owedback child support.
443
00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:13,264
- I mean, he had beenwithholding money.
444
00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:15,759
From what Barb told me,
445
00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,259
she was going to throw him
in jail.
446
00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:21,049
- Richard Callahan, attorneyfor Barbara Hamburg's estate,
447
00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:23,880
says Jeff Hamburg hascried broke for too long
448
00:21:23,964 --> 00:21:26,264
while livinga lavish lifestyle.
449
00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:28,879
- All right.
Take one.
450
00:21:28,964 --> 00:21:30,174
Marker.
451
00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:33,915
- I'll tell you what I toldthe state police that day.
452
00:21:34,005 --> 00:21:36,125
Your father had been ordered
453
00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:39,014
and had promised to make
certain payments.
454
00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,629
Either your dad showed up
with the money,
455
00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,134
or I'd be asking the court
456
00:21:44,214 --> 00:21:47,924
to find him in contempt
of the court's orders
457
00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:50,875
and incarcerate him
until he paid.
458
00:21:50,964 --> 00:21:52,804
- How much did he owein total?
459
00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:55,131
- $153,000 to your mother
460
00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:58,464
and $324,000
461
00:21:58,547 --> 00:22:00,417
to you and your sister.
462
00:22:00,506 --> 00:22:02,916
There was no questionhe did not have the money
463
00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:04,455
on March 3rd.
464
00:22:04,547 --> 00:22:06,797
- Police say Jeff Hamburg wasstealing money
465
00:22:06,881 --> 00:22:08,511
from his daughter'scollege fund
466
00:22:08,589 --> 00:22:12,089
about four years after heand his wife Barbara divorced.
467
00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:14,132
- What time did court startthat day?
468
00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:15,674
- 9:30.
469
00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:19,706
Normally, your mom's thereat 9:00, 9:15.
470
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,548
- What wasmy dad's demeanor like?
471
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,171
- I don't knowwhether I could say
472
00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:25,665
that there was a changein his demeanor,
473
00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:28,626
but there was no complaintto me
474
00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:32,014
from him or his lawyersaying, "Where's your client?
475
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,509
Why isn't she here?"
476
00:22:33,589 --> 00:22:36,509
And that is what struck me.
477
00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,839
But I should back up,
because...
478
00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,633
that suggests that I know
479
00:22:43,714 --> 00:22:46,674
that your father did something,
480
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,166
which I do not know.
481
00:22:48,255 --> 00:22:49,705
He just was the prime suspect
482
00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:52,798
because of the circumstancesof that day.
483
00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:58,209
narrator:All parents have dreams.
484
00:22:58,297 --> 00:23:02,457
And they have definite ideasof what they want you to be.
485
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,167
It isn't easy with a fatherwho's never satisfied.
486
00:23:06,255 --> 00:23:08,005
Always wants youa little different,
487
00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:09,959
a little better.
488
00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:13,207
[distorted]More like his dream.
489
00:23:13,297 --> 00:23:15,207
- From the timethat I met you,
490
00:23:15,297 --> 00:23:19,707
the relationship with your dadwas not good.
491
00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:23,088
You know, it was very...
492
00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,922
[sighs]
Controlling.
493
00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,375
I think you had
494
00:23:27,464 --> 00:23:29,384
a really close relationshipwith your mom,
495
00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:33,884
probably closerthan most teenage boys.
496
00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:36,214
You were more like peers
in some ways,
497
00:23:36,297 --> 00:23:39,587
so you had a hard time
when she...
498
00:23:39,673 --> 00:23:42,673
tried to lay down the law
with you.
499
00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:45,709
You were using substances,
500
00:23:45,798 --> 00:23:49,708
and you were expelledfrom school.
501
00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:51,588
Your dad got angry
502
00:23:51,673 --> 00:23:55,093
about a letter I had written
to the court
503
00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:58,422
that stated
that you didn't wanna live--
504
00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:00,916
go to his house
505
00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,955
or spend time with him.
506
00:24:03,047 --> 00:24:06,417
He thoughtthat that was my opinion.
507
00:24:06,506 --> 00:24:09,416
So once we clarified, really,
508
00:24:09,506 --> 00:24:11,916
that I was stating something
509
00:24:12,005 --> 00:24:14,295
that you had stated,
510
00:24:14,381 --> 00:24:15,921
it was cleared up,
511
00:24:16,005 --> 00:24:19,335
but I got a subpoena
512
00:24:19,422 --> 00:24:22,052
from the law--from his lawyer.
513
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:23,960
- Yeah, I remember.
514
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:26,457
He, like, freaked out.
515
00:24:26,547 --> 00:24:28,917
He, like, started,
like, attacking you, kinda.
516
00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:31,585
- And then your mom called me
the next day.
517
00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:36,012
To tell me that you were
worried about me.
518
00:24:38,214 --> 00:24:42,264
That you didn't like the way
your dad was treating me.
519
00:24:42,339 --> 00:24:45,009
- Can you talk about after?
520
00:24:45,089 --> 00:24:48,169
Like, the months
after the murder?
521
00:24:48,255 --> 00:24:50,125
- You came to see me.
522
00:24:50,214 --> 00:24:53,844
You left school.
523
00:24:53,923 --> 00:24:56,303
And you came back to see me.
524
00:24:56,381 --> 00:24:59,261
Only for a few sessions though.
525
00:24:59,339 --> 00:25:02,959
Because, you know,you were not in a place
526
00:25:03,047 --> 00:25:04,917
that you could functionin school.
527
00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:08,375
You were afraidof, like, your own safety.
528
00:25:08,464 --> 00:25:10,554
And then shortly after,
529
00:25:10,631 --> 00:25:13,261
all communication
with your dad stopped.
530
00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:20,455
- I knew that there werethings in your dad's history.
531
00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:22,587
- Hi.
Enough.
532
00:25:24,714 --> 00:25:26,844
- Your mom told methat he had been involved
533
00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:29,673
in something overseas.
534
00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:31,546
He had, I don't know
how many passports.
535
00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,511
Five?
536
00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:35,709
So it was a surprise.
537
00:25:35,798 --> 00:25:38,298
You know, to go from the CEOof Southern Electric
538
00:25:38,381 --> 00:25:43,381
to a life that few peoplecould begin to understand.
539
00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:45,174
announcer: Electric energyinto the future.
540
00:25:45,255 --> 00:25:47,205
[tape crackles]
541
00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:49,377
- Can you hear your daddy?
542
00:25:49,464 --> 00:25:50,714
[baby coos]
543
00:25:50,798 --> 00:25:52,708
Where's Daddy?
544
00:25:52,798 --> 00:25:54,048
[baby babbles]
545
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:56,260
Where's Daddy?
546
00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:05,051
- A first lookat Jeffrey Hamburg
547
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,420
as he walks to courtthis morning with his lawyer.
548
00:26:07,506 --> 00:26:09,256
This is his firstpublic appearance,
549
00:26:09,339 --> 00:26:11,379
at an alimonyand child support hearing,
550
00:26:11,464 --> 00:26:13,844
since his ex-wifeBarbara Beach-Hamburg
551
00:26:13,923 --> 00:26:16,213
was found murderedearlier this month.
552
00:26:16,297 --> 00:26:17,757
The ex-husband has hired
553
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,259
well-known criminal defenselawyer Hugh Keefe--
554
00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:22,049
- Lynch, Traube, Keefe,& Errante handles
555
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:23,630
all kinds of criminal cases;
556
00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,674
murder, sexual assault,
kidnapping,
557
00:26:26,756 --> 00:26:30,006
embezzlement, tax evasion,conspiracies.
558
00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,129
- Your father immediately gotan attorney
559
00:26:32,214 --> 00:26:34,804
so that he wouldn't have to goto the police.
560
00:26:34,881 --> 00:26:36,261
If I thought
I had something to hide,
561
00:26:36,339 --> 00:26:39,589
I wouldn't be wanting to talk
to the police.
562
00:26:39,673 --> 00:26:42,593
- Also in court today: police.
563
00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,053
- This is
a routine support hearing.
564
00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:46,800
There are more police officersthan lawyers
565
00:26:46,881 --> 00:26:48,461
in that courtroom today.
566
00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:50,627
The police, when they have
a situation like this,
567
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,264
automatically look
568
00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:54,549
at the spouse or ex-spouse.
569
00:26:54,631 --> 00:26:56,261
- The attorneythat your dad hired,
570
00:26:56,339 --> 00:26:59,259
people were afraid of himin the courtroom.
571
00:26:59,339 --> 00:27:00,589
He's pretty masterful.
572
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:02,713
- Keefe saysHamburg gave police
573
00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:05,708
a sample of his DNA and hairlast week.
574
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,758
- I assumeeverything came back negative,
575
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,299
or he would've been arrested.
576
00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,421
- Also at today'spost-divorce hearing,
577
00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:13,796
Barbara's sister,Conway Beach.
578
00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,461
- Have you spoken to Jeffrey
at all?
579
00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:18,957
- No, I have not,
and that's all I have.
580
00:27:19,047 --> 00:27:21,127
- Why do you think
the police haven't opened
581
00:27:21,214 --> 00:27:23,464
a case against my father
about the murder?
582
00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:25,587
- I think the police were--
583
00:27:25,673 --> 00:27:27,133
dropped the ball
on your mother's murder,
584
00:27:27,214 --> 00:27:28,804
if you want the truth.
585
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:31,381
[tense music]
586
00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:34,054
- I mean, it's very difficultto think of a small town
587
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:38,510
like Madison
not being able to solve
588
00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:40,959
this egregious crime.
589
00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,167
It sounds like there was
590
00:27:42,255 --> 00:27:44,625
a sort of screw-upor something with the DNA.
591
00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:46,214
I'm not really sure.
592
00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:50,589
- We were asked as a familyto wait to run the DNA
593
00:27:50,673 --> 00:27:53,463
because apparently there wasa new DNA lab being built,
594
00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:56,167
and it was gonna be the best.
595
00:27:56,255 --> 00:27:58,205
- Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
596
00:27:58,297 --> 00:28:00,207
It is a pleasure to be here
in Meriden
597
00:28:00,297 --> 00:28:02,337
to celebrate the groundbreaking
598
00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:05,132
for the state
forensic science laboratory.
599
00:28:05,214 --> 00:28:07,384
Connecticut is a known leader
600
00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:09,384
in the field
of forensic science,
601
00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:13,344
and this project willreinforce this distinction.
602
00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:14,462
- So we waited
603
00:28:14,547 --> 00:28:16,877
for this new DNA lab
to be built.
604
00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:20,344
- We believe we are
the premiere laboratory
605
00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:22,552
in the United States
and in the world.
606
00:28:22,631 --> 00:28:27,011
- They ran the DNA and...
607
00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:30,799
the DNA kit was faulty.
608
00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:34,511
- And the differencebetween verdicts of guilty
609
00:28:34,589 --> 00:28:38,339
and verdicts of not guiltydepends to a great extent
610
00:28:38,422 --> 00:28:42,012
upon the integrityof a laboratory such as ours.
611
00:28:42,089 --> 00:28:43,879
- Now, the state crime lab
is under
612
00:28:43,964 --> 00:28:45,714
some extra pressure right now
613
00:28:45,798 --> 00:28:49,008
because a recent audit
of its DNA processes
614
00:28:49,089 --> 00:28:50,759
came up with some problems,
615
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:55,089
and its accreditation
also has expired.
616
00:28:55,172 --> 00:28:56,712
- To be quite honestwith you, Madison,
617
00:28:56,798 --> 00:28:59,838
I don't even knowif there is any DNA left.
618
00:28:59,923 --> 00:29:02,463
And it scares the shit
out of me.
619
00:29:03,464 --> 00:29:05,714
- After the medical examinerfinished,
620
00:29:05,798 --> 00:29:07,168
she was cremated.
621
00:29:07,255 --> 00:29:10,755
I mean,that's a family tradition.
622
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,209
Knowing what I know now,
623
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,087
one should waita little longer
624
00:29:14,172 --> 00:29:17,552
until all evidence has beencollected properly
625
00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,051
before you cremate them,
626
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:23,130
because DNA isso important now.
627
00:29:23,214 --> 00:29:26,214
[solemn music]
628
00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,054
- Yeah.
629
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,340
- Somebody's missing something.
630
00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:41,462
Cases can be solved
without DNA.
631
00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:42,917
- There's been some scuttlebutt
632
00:29:43,005 --> 00:29:44,755
about the Madison
Police Department being
633
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,419
less than ethical
634
00:29:46,506 --> 00:29:50,166
that I thinkneeds to be investigated.
635
00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:52,634
- As you know,the state's attorney
636
00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:54,714
now investigatingthe ongoings here
637
00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:56,208
at the MadisonPolice Department.
638
00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:57,377
- Instead of making arrests,
639
00:29:57,464 --> 00:30:00,304
two Madison police officers are
placed under arrest.
640
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:02,631
- Three police officershave been fired.
641
00:30:02,714 --> 00:30:05,214
Officers were allegedlymeeting with prostitutes,
642
00:30:05,297 --> 00:30:08,127
frequenting strip clubsand massage parlors,
643
00:30:08,214 --> 00:30:09,964
and establishinga motorcycle gang.
644
00:30:10,047 --> 00:30:11,797
Conversationat the coffee shop
645
00:30:11,881 --> 00:30:13,711
is often about bad cops.
646
00:30:13,798 --> 00:30:16,628
- People here are tired
of the little bit of corruption
647
00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:18,964
that keeps cropping up
in the police department.
648
00:30:19,047 --> 00:30:21,457
- Madison Police Officer is
stripped of his badge.
649
00:30:21,547 --> 00:30:24,167
- Suspended and arrestedfor abusing police data--
650
00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,505
charged with stealingseafood from a restaurant--
651
00:30:26,589 --> 00:30:30,629
now accused of stealinggasoline from the town pump.
652
00:30:30,714 --> 00:30:32,964
- It's a concern
653
00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:36,127
when the people
that you trust to...
654
00:30:36,214 --> 00:30:37,764
to take care of things
655
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,839
are less than honest
themselves.
656
00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,344
I have no proof of that.
657
00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:45,172
Only a lot of...
658
00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:46,755
concern.
659
00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,961
narrator: This is the townyou will grow up in.
660
00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:53,797
A nice, warm world.
661
00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,461
A happy, secure community.
662
00:30:56,547 --> 00:30:58,707
An atmospherethat prepares you
663
00:30:58,798 --> 00:31:01,168
to find your placein the world with confidence
664
00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:03,415
and the best useof your abilities.
665
00:31:10,255 --> 00:31:12,795
[line rings]
666
00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:16,416
- Hey.
It's Madison.
667
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,340
- I told you before
I'm doing a documentary
668
00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:24,212
on my mother for a class.
669
00:31:24,297 --> 00:31:26,877
And I was just seeing
670
00:31:26,964 --> 00:31:28,714
if there was any way
I could get
671
00:31:28,798 --> 00:31:30,548
an interview with someone
672
00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:34,261
just about--just to go over,
like, what the crime scene--
673
00:31:34,339 --> 00:31:38,049
or something that I can use
for my documentary.
674
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:39,130
- Um...
675
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,009
- Okay.
676
00:31:50,923 --> 00:31:52,133
- Right.
677
00:32:09,047 --> 00:32:10,297
- Okay.
678
00:32:18,506 --> 00:32:20,916
- Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely.
679
00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:21,875
[line beeps]
680
00:32:21,964 --> 00:32:24,134
Okay.
[sighs]
681
00:32:24,214 --> 00:32:25,964
He doesn't know
if we can do an interview,
682
00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:29,087
but, like, what if, um...
683
00:32:29,172 --> 00:32:32,802
I'm going in for questioning
on Friday.
684
00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,131
What if I, like, brought in
a recorder?
685
00:32:36,214 --> 00:32:38,094
- Risky.
686
00:32:38,172 --> 00:32:40,462
- Well, I could record it
with my phone.
687
00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:43,257
- Risky.
688
00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:45,009
- It'd be worth it.
689
00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,089
- Yeah, it would.
690
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,762
See what kinda questionsthey're asking you.
691
00:32:57,005 --> 00:33:01,415
- Madison, what brings us
to the police station today?
692
00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:05,086
- I am about
to get interrogated.
693
00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:08,963
It's just one
of the many things
694
00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:11,837
that I have to put up with
695
00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,763
since someone...
696
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,209
came and killed my mother.
697
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:29,838
- Hi. Can I help you?
698
00:33:29,923 --> 00:33:32,173
- Hey, I'm here to see
Detective Mulhern.
699
00:33:32,255 --> 00:33:34,045
- Your name, please?
- Madison.
700
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:35,840
- Madison?
- Yeah.
701
00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,463
- Is that your last nameor first name?
702
00:33:37,547 --> 00:33:38,917
- It's my first name.
- And your last name?
703
00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:40,205
- Hamburg.
704
00:33:40,297 --> 00:33:41,837
- Okay, I'll tell themthat you're here.
705
00:33:41,923 --> 00:33:43,093
- Okay. Thank you.
706
00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:51,875
I don't even know if I'm,
like, prepared for this.
707
00:35:10,506 --> 00:35:11,506
- Mm-hmm.
708
00:37:16,506 --> 00:37:17,506
- Uh, good.
709
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:18,879
I mean...
710
00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,344
they don't wanna
give us anything,
711
00:37:21,422 --> 00:37:24,262
but they want the doc.
712
00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:26,709
They want, like,
all of our files.
713
00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:29,208
- What would it help them?
714
00:37:29,297 --> 00:37:32,757
- They think that, like,
people would tell us things
715
00:37:32,839 --> 00:37:35,089
in interviews
that they wouldn't tell them.
716
00:37:40,547 --> 00:37:43,917
[line rings]
717
00:37:44,005 --> 00:37:47,255
- Hey. How's it going?
- Hey. What's going on?
718
00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:49,919
- Nothing, I just gottacatch up with you, that's all.
719
00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:51,255
- Yeah.
720
00:37:51,339 --> 00:37:52,759
I wanted to ask
721
00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:56,379
if you talked
to your attorney again.
722
00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:58,214
- Yeah, I can't.
723
00:37:58,297 --> 00:38:00,587
I can't.There's no way.
724
00:38:00,673 --> 00:38:01,633
Sorry about that.
725
00:38:01,714 --> 00:38:05,054
- What's, like, the main reason
you can't--
726
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,380
- Madison,I just can't discuss it.
727
00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:10,054
It's just--it's a unqualified no, so...
728
00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:14,804
- Dad, can, like, I ask you
some questions?
729
00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:16,131
- No. No.
730
00:38:16,214 --> 00:38:17,924
No, let's just leave itat that.
731
00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,755
- I just wanna know why--
732
00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:23,129
why that I can't--
733
00:38:23,214 --> 00:38:25,304
why you can't even just talk
to me.
734
00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:26,841
- I knowyou wanna know answers,
735
00:38:26,923 --> 00:38:29,923
and I know you wanna knowabout your mom
736
00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:32,295
and her lifeand all that stuff.
737
00:38:32,381 --> 00:38:34,421
I just--it's just not--
738
00:38:34,506 --> 00:38:37,166
maybe in years ahead,we can have this conversation,
739
00:38:37,255 --> 00:38:38,415
but not now.
740
00:38:38,506 --> 00:38:41,416
[tense music]
741
00:38:41,506 --> 00:38:46,956
♪ ♪
742
00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:50,257
- I just don't think
that's fair.
743
00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:53,049
- Yeah.A lot of things aren't fair.
744
00:38:54,047 --> 00:38:55,877
I'm sorry.
745
00:38:55,964 --> 00:38:57,804
- I don't thinkthat you're sorry.
746
00:38:57,881 --> 00:39:01,051
- Okay, well, you canbelieve me or not believe me.
747
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:02,300
It's your choice.
748
00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:09,341
♪ ♪
749
00:39:09,422 --> 00:39:11,592
- Do you want this caseto get solved?
750
00:39:11,673 --> 00:39:13,593
- Madison,I'm not going to answer
751
00:39:13,673 --> 00:39:15,463
any more questions about it.
752
00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:16,627
- At this point--
at this point--
753
00:39:16,714 --> 00:39:18,634
- As far as I'm concerned,I cannot answer any--
754
00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:20,674
Madison, I can't answerany more questions.
755
00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,756
- At this point, I honestly,
in my honest opinion,
756
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,799
don't know if you want
this case to be solved.
757
00:39:28,047 --> 00:39:32,007
If--I don't know if you care
more about covering yourself
758
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:34,959
than this case being solved,
which doesn't make any sense,
759
00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:37,957
'cause if this case is solved
and if you're innocent--
760
00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:40,087
- I have nothing to add.I have nothing to add.
761
00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:42,342
I have no knowledgeof your mother's life,
762
00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,552
uh, really.
763
00:39:44,631 --> 00:39:46,671
- You were married to her
for 13 years.
764
00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:49,046
- Well, yeah, but I have no--
- And you were dealing with--
765
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,130
- I have no--I don't know anything.
766
00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:54,424
- How do you expect me
to trust you?
767
00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:58,839
- Madison, that's a decisionyou have to make.
768
00:39:58,923 --> 00:40:00,053
- Is it?
Is it?
769
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:03,550
It's a decision
based on your secrecy.
770
00:40:03,631 --> 00:40:05,091
- Madison, it's a decision--it's a decision
771
00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:06,092
that you have to make.
772
00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:07,632
I would hopethat you would understand,
773
00:40:07,714 --> 00:40:10,344
but if you don't, you don't.
774
00:40:10,422 --> 00:40:11,552
- I mean, that's your decision.
775
00:40:11,631 --> 00:40:16,051
Maybe one day, you'll get
the courage together to...
776
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,880
to face this stuff
and change something,
777
00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:21,594
but until then, that's--
778
00:40:21,673 --> 00:40:23,803
you're gonna stay
in the same spot.
779
00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:27,381
Because that's--you are
one of the main pieces
780
00:40:27,464 --> 00:40:29,384
that's stopping everything.
781
00:40:29,464 --> 00:40:33,964
♪ ♪
782
00:40:34,047 --> 00:40:37,877
[sighs]
783
00:40:37,964 --> 00:40:39,554
I guess that I gotta--
784
00:40:39,631 --> 00:40:42,261
I have other things
I gotta do today.
785
00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:43,839
- Okay.
786
00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:45,883
- All right.
- Yeah. Bye.
787
00:40:45,964 --> 00:40:47,094
- Bye.
788
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:50,172
♪ ♪
789
00:40:54,047 --> 00:40:55,667
I tried.
I mean...
790
00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:04,755
He doesn't wanna...
791
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:06,419
doesn't wanna help.
792
00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:09,756
Doesn't want anything
to change.
793
00:41:16,673 --> 00:41:19,513
[somber music]
794
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:26,549
♪ ♪
795
00:41:28,506 --> 00:41:31,506
- This is where I found
my sister murdered.
796
00:41:33,923 --> 00:41:35,673
He's here, Barbie.
797
00:41:35,756 --> 00:41:41,796
♪ ♪
798
00:41:41,881 --> 00:41:44,011
- I guess all I wanna say is
I love you.
799
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:45,339
- Mm.
800
00:41:45,422 --> 00:41:48,462
- [sniffling]
801
00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:50,627
And I'm gonna dowhatever I can
802
00:41:50,714 --> 00:41:52,634
to find outwhat happened to you.
803
00:41:52,714 --> 00:41:59,714
♪ ♪
804
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:13,839
My mom's been deadfor six years.
805
00:42:13,923 --> 00:42:16,673
Nothing's happenedwith the case.
806
00:42:16,756 --> 00:42:18,086
I thought it would hold me back
807
00:42:18,172 --> 00:42:19,672
from, you know,
my immediate goals.
808
00:42:19,756 --> 00:42:21,956
I was wrapped up with school.
809
00:42:22,047 --> 00:42:24,257
We were kinda waiting for...
810
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:29,342
Like, some sort of--
someone to come forward.
811
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:31,462
Some sort of momentum.
812
00:42:33,673 --> 00:42:35,553
And I feel like
if I don't do it,
813
00:42:35,631 --> 00:42:37,841
that if I don't cause,
814
00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:42,213
like, a reason
for people to notice,
815
00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:44,297
it's just gonna stay
what it is.
816
00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:49,339
- To go back?
817
00:42:51,464 --> 00:42:53,344
- I don't thinkI can ever be prepared
818
00:42:53,422 --> 00:42:56,762
to fully go backto that place.
819
00:42:56,839 --> 00:43:00,629
But I feel likethis is a second chance
820
00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:04,014
to actually facewhat was happening
821
00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:06,589
and not run away from itlike I was.
822
00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:09,593
[indistinct announcement]
823
00:43:09,673 --> 00:43:12,633
[tense music]
824
00:43:12,714 --> 00:43:19,424
♪ ♪
825
00:43:19,506 --> 00:43:22,416
We have to figure outwhere I'm gonna walk.
826
00:43:22,506 --> 00:43:23,956
- Where do you think
he would walk to?
827
00:43:24,047 --> 00:43:25,757
- Back to the subway.
- Back to the subway?
828
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,209
- So you should walk
the other way.
829
00:43:27,297 --> 00:43:29,257
- So he can't
follow you anywhere.
830
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:30,549
- Yeah.
831
00:43:30,631 --> 00:43:32,761
- When was the last time
you guys saw each other?
832
00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,919
- Like, I honestly
can't remember.
833
00:43:35,005 --> 00:43:36,915
- So we're here.
834
00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:38,375
The restaurant
that they're meeting in
835
00:43:38,464 --> 00:43:40,464
is across the street
over there,
836
00:43:40,547 --> 00:43:43,757
probably, I don't know,
837
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,299
30 yards away.
838
00:43:46,381 --> 00:43:49,711
Loop it, and then you could
tape it somewhere if you want.
839
00:43:49,798 --> 00:43:50,758
Talk.
840
00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:53,169
- Hello, hello, hello.
841
00:43:55,923 --> 00:43:58,963
I can't fucking...
842
00:43:59,047 --> 00:44:01,507
- Okay, I'll give him this.
843
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:02,959
- Kay.
844
00:44:03,047 --> 00:44:07,127
♪ ♪
845
00:44:07,214 --> 00:44:08,634
Oh.
846
00:44:08,714 --> 00:44:10,304
Sorry.
847
00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,841
- How are you feeling, Madison?
848
00:44:11,923 --> 00:44:13,923
- Pretty--pretty weird.
849
00:44:20,464 --> 00:44:21,804
- There he is.
There he is.
850
00:44:21,881 --> 00:44:23,261
- Shh.
851
00:44:29,381 --> 00:44:32,511
[rock music over speakers]
852
00:47:35,923 --> 00:47:38,923
- [sighs]
Okay.
853
00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:48,167
That was really stressfulfor me,
854
00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,665
and I felt itleading up to it,
855
00:47:50,756 --> 00:47:52,956
and that entire time,my heart was racing.
856
00:47:57,422 --> 00:47:59,132
- Are we rolling?
- Yep.
857
00:47:59,214 --> 00:48:00,844
- Yes.
858
00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:04,213
I'd never had a beer
with my dad.
859
00:48:04,297 --> 00:48:05,757
First time.
860
00:48:09,214 --> 00:48:10,514
I wanna show you something.
861
00:48:12,673 --> 00:48:14,013
This is my, like,
862
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:17,549
memories thing.
863
00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:21,841
This is pretty much
what I have left.
864
00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:26,424
- Wait, what's that from?
865
00:48:26,506 --> 00:48:28,126
- The crematorium.
866
00:48:36,297 --> 00:48:37,587
It's weird,
867
00:48:37,673 --> 00:48:41,263
like, thinking about someone
so close to you
868
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:43,799
as, like, remains.
869
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:50,089
It's a piece of history,
I guess.
870
00:48:50,172 --> 00:48:51,762
From my history.
871
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,259
- [squeaking]
872
00:48:54,339 --> 00:48:56,919
[baby giggles]
[laughs]
873
00:48:57,005 --> 00:48:59,415
[kissing]
[both laugh]
874
00:48:59,506 --> 00:49:01,586
- [indistinct baby talk]
875
00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:04,673
[laughs]I got you.
876
00:49:06,381 --> 00:49:09,761
- After the funeral,I had this dream.
877
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,919
I was at this dinner,
878
00:49:12,005 --> 00:49:14,415
and I'm looking at this woman,
879
00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:17,956
and I realize that's my mom.
880
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:20,417
And her hair is long
881
00:49:20,506 --> 00:49:24,706
and I'm like,"Mom, you're beautiful."
882
00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,958
And she's just like,
883
00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:31,757
"Your hair keeps growing
after you die."
884
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:32,799
- [laughs]
885
00:49:32,881 --> 00:49:34,631
[kissing]
886
00:49:34,714 --> 00:49:36,804
- The only regretI think I could ever have...
887
00:49:36,881 --> 00:49:38,421
- [laughs]
888
00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:41,126
- She came down to visitand I went on a date
889
00:49:41,214 --> 00:49:44,094
instead of seeing her.
890
00:49:44,172 --> 00:49:45,342
She came down to see me.
891
00:49:45,422 --> 00:49:47,962
She came down
on Valentine's Day.
892
00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:49,127
- This one's to Maddie.
893
00:49:49,214 --> 00:49:50,924
Aww.
894
00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:53,005
Happy first Valentine.
895
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:54,459
[gasps]
Is that pretty?
896
00:49:54,547 --> 00:49:56,297
It's a heart.
897
00:49:56,381 --> 00:49:58,461
- I talked to her
the night before.
898
00:49:58,547 --> 00:50:01,957
[solemn music]
899
00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:05,297
And I told her I loved herand that I was sorry
900
00:50:05,381 --> 00:50:07,921
about Valentine's Day.
901
00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:14,669
How could--you know,
how could I talk to her,
902
00:50:14,756 --> 00:50:17,756
and within hours...
903
00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:22,553
She's murdered?
904
00:50:22,631 --> 00:50:26,671
all: ♪ Happy birthday,
dear Madison ♪
905
00:50:26,756 --> 00:50:30,796
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
906
00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,341
- Growing up,
907
00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,052
your parents are your heroes.
908
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:38,090
My mother was a superhero.
909
00:50:39,464 --> 00:50:42,634
When people get to adulthood,
910
00:50:42,714 --> 00:50:45,344
they get to meet their parents
911
00:50:45,422 --> 00:50:47,672
as human beings,
912
00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:50,256
and I didn't have that.
913
00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:53,588
I need to meet that person.
914
00:50:55,756 --> 00:50:57,876
And this is the only wayto do that.
915
00:50:57,964 --> 00:51:04,344
♪ ♪
916
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:08,341
So many baseball cards.
917
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:13,590
[line rings]
918
00:51:13,673 --> 00:51:14,553
- Hey.
919
00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:15,761
- How's it going?
920
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,879
- Okay.
921
00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:19,344
I'd like to hear from youmore often.
922
00:51:19,422 --> 00:51:21,212
- Do you get worried about meor something?
923
00:51:21,297 --> 00:51:24,047
- Yeah, of course I do.You're my son.
924
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,170
I'm worried about you.
925
00:51:26,255 --> 00:51:28,295
I'm even worriedabout your sister.
926
00:51:28,381 --> 00:51:30,381
I never stopped loving her.
927
00:51:30,464 --> 00:51:32,384
Still my daughter.
928
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,554
- The past six years have beenso crazy
929
00:51:35,631 --> 00:51:37,921
that, like, I wishI could just
930
00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:39,295
do something about it.
931
00:51:39,381 --> 00:51:41,631
I just don't knowwhat that is, you know?
932
00:51:41,714 --> 00:51:43,714
- Well, you're old enoughto realize
933
00:51:43,798 --> 00:51:45,958
that there really aretwo sides to the story.
934
00:51:46,047 --> 00:51:48,627
Mom's side of the familywere--blame somebody,
935
00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:50,554
so they're probably tryingto blame me.
936
00:51:50,631 --> 00:51:52,551
But that doesn't fitthe facts.
937
00:51:52,631 --> 00:51:54,631
I wasn't there.
938
00:51:54,714 --> 00:51:56,594
You can't get an answerif you don't have people
939
00:51:56,673 --> 00:51:59,013
looking in the right places.
940
00:51:59,089 --> 00:52:00,919
They're not lookinginternally,
941
00:52:01,005 --> 00:52:04,255
to Jill and to Conway.
942
00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:05,879
I know your aunts have beenvery good to you,
943
00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:09,554
but they were both involvedin the other possibility.
944
00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,421
- Women's gifting circles.
945
00:52:11,506 --> 00:52:13,416
- Gifting tables--- Gifting circle--
946
00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,666
- They're what prosecutors
nationwide have called
947
00:52:15,756 --> 00:52:18,456
a pyramid scheme.
948
00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,377
- Your aunt Jill, to me,gets a lot
949
00:52:20,464 --> 00:52:22,214
of the potential blame here,
950
00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:23,917
'cause she got your motherinto it,
951
00:52:24,005 --> 00:52:25,665
and your mother was in itin a big way
952
00:52:25,756 --> 00:52:26,796
as a leader.
953
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,131
- Two women found guiltyback in February
954
00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,134
of running the table,
955
00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:31,804
55-year-old Donna Bello
956
00:52:31,881 --> 00:52:34,511
and 64-year-old Jill Plattof Guilford.
957
00:52:34,589 --> 00:52:37,049
Now these women are charged
with federal wire fraud
958
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,460
and filing false tax returns.
959
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,917
- What's the motive?
960
00:52:41,005 --> 00:52:42,335
- Money.
961
00:52:42,422 --> 00:52:47,302
- Losses to victims totaledmore than $1 million.
962
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:49,261
- Somebody was threateningyour mom.
963
00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:50,589
And the waythat police handled it,
964
00:52:50,673 --> 00:52:52,133
it was just awful.
965
00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:54,674
New evidence came upand they just ignored it.
966
00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:56,006
Anyway, I don't wanna talkabout it,
967
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:57,879
'cause she--it'll bedisparaging about your mother,
968
00:52:57,964 --> 00:52:59,514
and I don't wanna talk illabout the dead.
969
00:52:59,589 --> 00:53:01,009
But all I know is that it's--
970
00:53:01,089 --> 00:53:02,049
it ruined my life
971
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,800
and continuingto ruin my life.
972
00:53:06,923 --> 00:53:09,173
- I wish there was something
973
00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:11,705
to do about it.
974
00:53:11,798 --> 00:53:14,548
- At the end of the day,there's nothing you can do.
975
00:53:14,631 --> 00:53:16,011
We're not investigators.
976
00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:18,709
[tense music]
977
00:53:18,798 --> 00:53:20,708
- Why would someone wanna killmy mom?
978
00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,668
- I don't know.
The body was covered.
979
00:53:23,756 --> 00:53:27,206
And usually, that shows remorse
by the person who did this.
980
00:53:27,297 --> 00:53:29,507
You know, we don't want anybody
to see this.
981
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:33,379
I see that as something
very personal.
982
00:53:33,464 --> 00:53:35,844
- Could the murderer be
someone that we...
983
00:53:35,923 --> 00:53:37,013
- It could be any of us
984
00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,209
that you're talking to
right now.
985
00:53:39,297 --> 00:53:42,547
Maybe whoever you speak to
986
00:53:42,631 --> 00:53:44,761
might get a conscience
987
00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:46,419
and maybe come out with it,
988
00:53:46,506 --> 00:53:48,456
'cause they've been sick
of living with it.
989
00:53:48,547 --> 00:53:50,167
Who knows?
990
00:53:50,255 --> 00:53:52,125
Anything is possible.
991
00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,014
Somebody somewhere
992
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:58,459
knows something.
993
00:54:05,464 --> 00:54:08,014
- [unintelligible]You got the ball?
994
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:10,669
- Yeah.
995
00:54:10,756 --> 00:54:11,666
- Here.- Ball?
996
00:54:11,756 --> 00:54:13,256
- Here.- Red ball?
997
00:54:13,339 --> 00:54:15,339
- Yep.Ali.
998
00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,126
Madison got on the ball.
999
00:54:21,214 --> 00:54:22,924
[laughs]
1000
00:54:23,005 --> 00:54:25,755
And?
1001
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,299
Nice throw, Maddie.
1002
00:54:28,381 --> 00:54:31,591
Can you give the ball to Mom?You wanna play?
1003
00:54:31,673 --> 00:54:34,673
[unintelligible]
1004
00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:50,086
- [babbles]- Flowers?
1005
00:54:50,172 --> 00:54:51,592
You gonna get the flowers?
1006
00:54:51,673 --> 00:54:52,803
Okay.
1007
00:54:52,881 --> 00:54:55,421
Get the flowers.
1008
00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,916
Oh.
1009
00:54:57,005 --> 00:54:58,705
Aww.
1010
00:54:58,798 --> 00:55:00,798
Pretty flowers.
1011
00:55:03,214 --> 00:55:04,634
Madison got on the ball.
1012
00:55:04,714 --> 00:55:06,634
[laughs]
1013
00:55:06,714 --> 00:55:09,674
And?
1014
00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:13,416
Nice throw, Maddie.
1015
00:55:13,506 --> 00:55:16,506
[unintelligible]
1016
00:55:35,714 --> 00:55:37,674
[bright tone]
1017
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:40,919
MADISON HAMBURG: I hopeI'm not disturbing you
1018
00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:41,955
with any of the questions.
1019
00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,667
WOMAN: No.I mean, I don't wanna be
1020
00:55:43,756 --> 00:55:45,586
the one to drop the bombs here,you know?
1021
00:55:46,297 --> 00:55:47,917
MADISON: I'm ready for bombs.
1022
00:55:49,673 --> 00:55:52,013
MAN 2: The focus should be,was there something else
1023
00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:52,919
going on?
1024
00:55:53,214 --> 00:55:54,764
Is there somethingthat we're missing?
1025
00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:58,129
With the gifting tables,
you joined with
a 5,000 dollar gift.
1026
00:55:58,798 --> 00:56:01,668
The gifting table was
a pyramid scheme.
1027
00:56:01,756 --> 00:56:03,046
It got out of control.
1028
00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:06,671
Some people can get to a point
where they can snap.
1029
00:56:06,923 --> 00:56:08,633
MADISON: Youand my mother witnessed
1030
00:56:08,714 --> 00:56:12,014
a man wearing a ski mask
walk though our yard?
1031
00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:14,419
WOMAN 2: It was the day before
she was murdered.
1032
00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:16,304
MADISON: Oh my god.
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