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That's right. 8 00:00:37,464 --> 00:00:38,464 - Hi, everybody. 9 00:00:38,547 --> 00:00:40,297 We start with breaking news in Madison tonight, 10 00:00:40,381 --> 00:00:43,171 where a body has been found in a waterfront home there. 11 00:00:43,255 --> 00:00:45,505 Police tonight are treating it as a homicide. 12 00:00:45,589 --> 00:00:47,209 - News Channel 8 first on the scene 13 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:48,587 at Middle Beach Road. 14 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:50,013 News Channel 8's Sara Welch joins us 15 00:00:50,089 --> 00:00:52,509 live in Madison tonight, and what do you know, Sara? 16 00:00:52,589 --> 00:00:54,709 - Madison police and state police have been 17 00:00:54,798 --> 00:00:56,508 out at this home at 44 Middle Beach Road 18 00:00:56,589 --> 00:00:59,009 since about 11:30 this morning. 19 00:00:59,089 --> 00:01:00,089 Let's take a look. 20 00:01:00,172 --> 00:01:02,422 You can see the road is blocked off by police. 21 00:01:02,506 --> 00:01:04,916 They are treating this case as a homicide. 22 00:01:05,005 --> 00:01:07,045 It's hard to see 44 Middle Beach Road 23 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:08,550 from this vantage point. 24 00:01:08,631 --> 00:01:09,841 Here's what we do know: 25 00:01:09,923 --> 00:01:12,883 a woman in her late 40s was found injured in her yard. 26 00:01:12,964 --> 00:01:14,884 She was pronounced dead at the scene. 27 00:01:14,964 --> 00:01:16,764 - Police are not releasing the victim's name, 28 00:01:16,839 --> 00:01:18,259 but News Channel 8 has learned 29 00:01:18,339 --> 00:01:19,919 that a woman named Barbara Hamburg 30 00:01:20,005 --> 00:01:21,915 rents the house. 31 00:01:22,005 --> 00:01:23,665 - I said, "No, you're not telling me that. 32 00:01:23,756 --> 00:01:25,706 It's not real." 33 00:01:25,798 --> 00:01:27,208 And it was real. 34 00:01:27,297 --> 00:01:31,257 It was like being hit by a boulder. 35 00:01:31,339 --> 00:01:34,759 - I had two voicemails from my father, 36 00:01:34,839 --> 00:01:37,299 two voicemails from Leu, and three from Chris. 37 00:01:37,381 --> 00:01:39,801 And I went, "Well, either we hit the lottery, 38 00:01:39,881 --> 00:01:42,211 or something awful has happened. 39 00:01:42,297 --> 00:01:44,507 - What was your first reaction? 40 00:01:44,589 --> 00:01:46,549 - Didn't sound right the whole way up here. 41 00:01:46,631 --> 00:01:47,591 You know, essentially saying 42 00:01:47,673 --> 00:01:49,923 that my sister had been murdered. 43 00:01:50,005 --> 00:01:51,585 Um... 44 00:01:51,673 --> 00:01:54,593 [solemn music] 45 00:01:54,673 --> 00:01:57,213 ♪ ♪ 46 00:01:57,297 --> 00:01:59,877 - I remember my mom texted me. 47 00:01:59,964 --> 00:02:01,964 And I was just, like, standing in the middle of the terminal 48 00:02:02,047 --> 00:02:04,757 like, "What the fuck?" 49 00:02:04,839 --> 00:02:07,089 - What happened when you got home? 50 00:02:07,172 --> 00:02:08,132 - Oh, man. 51 00:02:08,214 --> 00:02:11,924 Like, the chaos begins. 52 00:02:12,005 --> 00:02:15,045 - The medical examiner ruling the killing a homicide, 53 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:18,340 describing the cause of death as "blunt force trauma 54 00:02:18,422 --> 00:02:20,632 and sharp force injury." 55 00:02:20,714 --> 00:02:23,344 - What kind of wounds did she have? 56 00:02:23,422 --> 00:02:26,132 - She was stabbed. 57 00:02:26,214 --> 00:02:28,464 She had a terrible head wound. 58 00:02:28,547 --> 00:02:32,667 Her carotid artery was stabbed. 59 00:02:32,756 --> 00:02:36,086 All over. 60 00:02:36,172 --> 00:02:39,802 They say it was 18 times. 61 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:41,671 - Right now, the coroner, M.E. are on scene. 62 00:02:41,756 --> 00:02:42,756 State police, 63 00:02:42,839 --> 00:02:44,549 along with Madison police, are on scene, 64 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:47,091 trying to figure out who killed this woman. 65 00:02:47,172 --> 00:02:49,302 - Police won't say if the killing was random, 66 00:02:49,381 --> 00:02:51,211 or if this mother was targeted. 67 00:02:51,297 --> 00:02:53,457 - This is a crime of passion. 68 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:56,457 People don't get murdered, and that brutally, 69 00:02:56,547 --> 00:02:59,507 without it being a very personal thing. 70 00:02:59,589 --> 00:03:00,669 - Stunned and shocked, friends 71 00:03:00,756 --> 00:03:03,456 of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburg flooding Facebook, 72 00:03:03,547 --> 00:03:04,507 offering sympathy 73 00:03:04,589 --> 00:03:06,509 for her teenage son and daughter. 74 00:03:06,589 --> 00:03:10,509 Meantime, detectives combing the yard where she was found. 75 00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:15,169 - I know it's--it's tough to think about this. 76 00:03:15,255 --> 00:03:18,415 I just have a couple questions. - Yeah, it's fine. 77 00:03:18,506 --> 00:03:20,456 - What was your best recollection 78 00:03:20,547 --> 00:03:21,877 of coming home? 79 00:03:21,964 --> 00:03:23,884 - Something wasn't right. 80 00:03:23,964 --> 00:03:25,094 We were calling her. 81 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:27,842 We couldn't get in touch with her. 82 00:03:27,923 --> 00:03:29,383 - Ali and I pulled up, 83 00:03:29,464 --> 00:03:31,714 and Ali's like, "Why is Mom's car in the driveway?" 84 00:03:31,798 --> 00:03:33,548 And I said, "I don't know. 85 00:03:33,631 --> 00:03:35,591 I don't know, Al." 86 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:39,423 - Her keys were in the door, but the door was locked. 87 00:03:39,506 --> 00:03:42,086 And we go inside and we're screaming her name. 88 00:03:42,172 --> 00:03:43,422 We're calling out for her. 89 00:03:43,506 --> 00:03:46,706 We don't know where she is. 90 00:03:46,798 --> 00:03:50,048 - She's nowhere to be found. 91 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:52,550 Nothing is making sense. 92 00:03:52,631 --> 00:03:56,881 - I go around the house, and I hear Conway screaming. 93 00:03:56,964 --> 00:03:59,344 - I see these cushions up against the bushes 94 00:03:59,422 --> 00:04:01,592 and I'm like, "What the hell?" 95 00:04:01,673 --> 00:04:04,213 So I pull one cushion off and I'm like, "Oh. 96 00:04:04,297 --> 00:04:06,377 It's an animal." 97 00:04:06,464 --> 00:04:07,764 - Why did you think it was an animal? 98 00:04:07,839 --> 00:04:09,879 - All I could see was, like, 99 00:04:09,964 --> 00:04:12,924 mushed-up hair and blood. 100 00:04:13,005 --> 00:04:14,755 - So you pull back the second cushion, 101 00:04:14,839 --> 00:04:15,759 what happens? 102 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:17,709 - It's your mom. 103 00:04:24,673 --> 00:04:26,883 - Hi, Madison. 104 00:04:26,964 --> 00:04:29,924 Madison! 105 00:04:30,005 --> 00:04:32,545 Hi. 106 00:04:32,631 --> 00:04:35,921 - Barbara Hamburg's son posted a message on Facebook 107 00:04:36,005 --> 00:04:39,005 saying now is the time to stay strong. 108 00:04:39,089 --> 00:04:42,009 That's what his mother would've wanted. 109 00:04:50,464 --> 00:04:52,844 - She said, "Mom's dead." 110 00:04:55,673 --> 00:04:58,053 I just wanted to wake up. 111 00:04:58,130 --> 00:05:02,590 'Cause I knew that that couldn't be real. 112 00:05:02,673 --> 00:05:06,803 Everything that was important in my life then 113 00:05:06,881 --> 00:05:10,131 within, like, a split second... 114 00:05:10,214 --> 00:05:11,804 - ♪ Happy birthday, dear Madison ♪ 115 00:05:11,881 --> 00:05:13,381 - Meant nothing. 116 00:05:34,589 --> 00:05:37,509 [sweeping orchestra music] 117 00:05:37,589 --> 00:05:44,629 ♪ ♪ 118 00:05:51,255 --> 00:05:54,335 narrator: We're about to take a brief tour of Connecticut. 119 00:05:54,422 --> 00:05:57,052 In this astronaut's-eye view from outer space, 120 00:05:57,130 --> 00:05:59,130 it appears small geographically, 121 00:05:59,214 --> 00:06:01,174 but it looms increasingly large 122 00:06:01,255 --> 00:06:03,165 the closer one approaches. 123 00:06:03,255 --> 00:06:05,005 Connecticut is strategically located 124 00:06:05,089 --> 00:06:06,839 between New York and Boston 125 00:06:06,923 --> 00:06:09,383 in the heart of the rich northeastern market. 126 00:06:09,464 --> 00:06:11,844 It's a state of dynamic economic growth, 127 00:06:11,923 --> 00:06:15,633 rich in variety and full of opportunity. 128 00:06:20,089 --> 00:06:22,419 [line rings] 129 00:06:26,506 --> 00:06:27,626 - Are you busy right now? 130 00:06:29,464 --> 00:06:31,674 - So I told you I've been working 131 00:06:31,756 --> 00:06:33,296 on, like, a couple projects, right? 132 00:06:34,506 --> 00:06:38,126 - I'm doing a documentary on my mom. 133 00:06:40,339 --> 00:06:41,549 - Yeah. 134 00:06:41,631 --> 00:06:44,091 And I was just calling to ask you 135 00:06:44,172 --> 00:06:45,712 if you would be willing-- 136 00:06:45,798 --> 00:06:47,708 I'm going to Connecticut this weekend. 137 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:49,548 I was asking you 138 00:06:49,631 --> 00:06:52,051 if you would be willing to... 139 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:54,510 to be interviewed about it. 140 00:06:59,089 --> 00:07:02,129 - Just about, like, her life. 141 00:07:17,381 --> 00:07:18,841 - What do you mean? 142 00:07:32,673 --> 00:07:35,593 [ominous music] 143 00:07:35,673 --> 00:07:42,673 ♪ ♪ 144 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:47,127 - There they are. 145 00:07:47,214 --> 00:07:48,264 Hi, Grammy. - Morning. 146 00:07:48,339 --> 00:07:50,459 [both laugh] - Good morning. 147 00:07:50,547 --> 00:07:51,457 - Hi, sweetness. 148 00:07:51,547 --> 00:07:54,507 How's my dear grandson? 149 00:07:54,589 --> 00:07:55,509 - How are you? 150 00:07:55,589 --> 00:07:57,509 - Aww, it's good to see you, honeybunch. 151 00:07:57,589 --> 00:08:00,299 [kissing] 152 00:08:00,381 --> 00:08:01,761 - Is it good? 153 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:03,509 Check, one, two, one, two. 154 00:08:03,589 --> 00:08:06,919 - This is a picture of the four Barbaras. 155 00:08:07,005 --> 00:08:08,915 That's my mother, known as Gram, 156 00:08:09,005 --> 00:08:10,915 on the right, Barbara, 157 00:08:11,005 --> 00:08:14,915 and in the middle, that's me, Barbara, 158 00:08:15,005 --> 00:08:19,585 and this is Madison's mom on the left, Barbara, 159 00:08:19,673 --> 00:08:23,673 and that's Ali, who is really Barbara Alexandra. 160 00:08:23,756 --> 00:08:25,956 So we have four Barbaras. 161 00:08:26,047 --> 00:08:29,127 And two of them are no longer with us. 162 00:08:29,214 --> 00:08:32,174 It's hard to believe that part. 163 00:08:32,255 --> 00:08:36,335 And we have... 164 00:08:36,422 --> 00:08:39,802 Madison, Ali, and Brian. 165 00:08:39,881 --> 00:08:43,211 Brian is Maddie's half brother, 166 00:08:43,297 --> 00:08:44,377 who is a doctor. 167 00:08:44,464 --> 00:08:46,014 [laughs] - Yeah. 168 00:08:46,089 --> 00:08:48,339 This is great. I love your glasses. 169 00:08:48,422 --> 00:08:49,882 - Oh, my gosh. 170 00:08:49,964 --> 00:08:53,924 Barbie looked the most like me of all my daughters. 171 00:08:54,005 --> 00:08:56,125 I would go down to Grandparents' Day 172 00:08:56,214 --> 00:08:58,344 and people would come along and they'd say, 173 00:08:58,422 --> 00:08:59,512 "I know who you are." 174 00:08:59,589 --> 00:09:01,009 [both laugh] 175 00:09:01,089 --> 00:09:02,339 "You're Madison's grandma, 176 00:09:02,422 --> 00:09:03,802 "'cause you look just like Barbie. 177 00:09:03,881 --> 00:09:06,631 Barbie looks just like you." 178 00:09:06,714 --> 00:09:08,384 - Can you describe 179 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:10,054 the last time you talked to her? 180 00:09:10,130 --> 00:09:12,590 - Your mom? 181 00:09:12,673 --> 00:09:13,803 [sighs] 182 00:09:13,881 --> 00:09:17,051 Well, I can describe the last time I saw her better. 183 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,090 She was here. She was visiting. 184 00:09:21,172 --> 00:09:22,552 And she and I sat in that bed 185 00:09:22,631 --> 00:09:26,511 and talked a long time that night before she left. 186 00:09:26,589 --> 00:09:29,379 About life and, you know... 187 00:09:29,464 --> 00:09:31,014 [soft music] 188 00:09:31,089 --> 00:09:33,459 I remember distinctly 189 00:09:33,547 --> 00:09:36,007 her walking away... 190 00:09:36,089 --> 00:09:38,509 - Everybody smile. - Yeah. 191 00:09:38,589 --> 00:09:39,549 - Aww. 192 00:09:39,631 --> 00:09:42,131 - And I know I talked to Mom on the phone 193 00:09:42,214 --> 00:09:45,764 after that many times, but that image sticks with me. 194 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:48,379 That's an important image. 195 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:52,714 And that was not too long before she was murdered. 196 00:09:52,798 --> 00:09:55,798 We had a great relationship, your mom and I. 197 00:09:55,881 --> 00:09:57,591 We truly, truly did. 198 00:09:57,673 --> 00:10:01,923 So I miss her terribly. 199 00:10:02,005 --> 00:10:04,125 And hopefully this will... 200 00:10:04,214 --> 00:10:05,464 you'll get a good grade. 201 00:10:05,547 --> 00:10:06,587 [both laugh] 202 00:10:06,673 --> 00:10:08,133 - That's not what this is about, Grammy. 203 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:10,424 - Oh, it's not? - No, this is way more. 204 00:10:10,506 --> 00:10:13,086 This is... - Oh, I know. 205 00:10:13,172 --> 00:10:14,422 - Kay. - I love you. 206 00:10:14,506 --> 00:10:18,456 - I love you too. 207 00:10:18,547 --> 00:10:20,337 - The hardest thing for me was to watch you 208 00:10:20,422 --> 00:10:22,172 have to go through all that, 209 00:10:22,255 --> 00:10:23,545 'cause you were 18 210 00:10:23,631 --> 00:10:25,761 and you had to act like you were... 211 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:28,459 21, 22, 23. 212 00:10:28,547 --> 00:10:30,587 That had to be very, very hard, Maddie. 213 00:10:30,673 --> 00:10:32,133 The rest of us couldn't do it for you. 214 00:10:32,214 --> 00:10:35,924 You had to do it. 215 00:10:36,005 --> 00:10:38,955 - The vigil started about a half hour ago 216 00:10:39,047 --> 00:10:41,127 with family and friends gathering around. 217 00:10:41,214 --> 00:10:42,964 They lit candles in her memory. 218 00:10:43,047 --> 00:10:45,297 They wanna keep it fresh in the public's memory 219 00:10:45,381 --> 00:10:47,551 in case somebody comes forward. 220 00:10:47,631 --> 00:10:49,631 - It's just always that unanswered question out there 221 00:10:49,714 --> 00:10:51,964 about your mom's murder. 222 00:10:52,047 --> 00:10:56,337 And it affects the entire family. 223 00:10:56,422 --> 00:10:57,512 - We believe if we continue 224 00:10:57,589 --> 00:10:59,169 to have these vigils every year, 225 00:10:59,255 --> 00:11:02,625 that somewhere, someone, they'll be able to come forward 226 00:11:02,714 --> 00:11:05,134 and help the police solve the case. 227 00:11:05,214 --> 00:11:07,344 - Conway interview, take one. 228 00:11:07,422 --> 00:11:11,512 Marker. 229 00:11:11,589 --> 00:11:14,169 - Your mom was amazing. 230 00:11:14,255 --> 00:11:16,165 She was so smart. 231 00:11:16,255 --> 00:11:19,625 She had all the boys wanting her. 232 00:11:19,714 --> 00:11:22,214 She was beautiful. 233 00:11:22,297 --> 00:11:24,337 And so many friends. 234 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:26,962 So many friends. 235 00:11:27,047 --> 00:11:29,917 People just wanted to be with Barb. 236 00:11:30,005 --> 00:11:32,335 She was a treasure. 237 00:11:32,422 --> 00:11:33,962 She was my baby sister. 238 00:11:34,047 --> 00:11:40,797 ♪ ♪ 239 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:46,670 - She was great fun to be around. 240 00:11:46,756 --> 00:11:49,756 I can see her coming up the stairs. 241 00:11:55,005 --> 00:11:58,045 - Your mother had secrets, so I don't know. 242 00:11:58,130 --> 00:12:00,590 She didn't share all of her secrets with me. 243 00:12:00,673 --> 00:12:02,383 But I always knew she had secrets 244 00:12:02,464 --> 00:12:04,924 that were-- that were dark secrets, 245 00:12:05,005 --> 00:12:09,255 because she had this way of breathing and smiling 246 00:12:09,339 --> 00:12:12,009 that, to me, it was a coverup 247 00:12:12,089 --> 00:12:14,839 for something that was very heavy in her heart. 248 00:12:14,923 --> 00:12:16,383 So I don't know what that was, 249 00:12:16,464 --> 00:12:17,964 but I just knew there was something. 250 00:12:18,047 --> 00:12:21,007 Always knew there was something. 251 00:12:25,297 --> 00:12:26,707 narrator: This is your world 252 00:12:26,798 --> 00:12:29,048 and the important people in it. 253 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:32,380 The people who will love you, help you, and hinder you 254 00:12:32,464 --> 00:12:35,594 in your job of growing to be a man. 255 00:12:35,673 --> 00:12:39,423 Let's start with your father and mother. 256 00:12:39,506 --> 00:12:42,086 In a few days, they take you home, 257 00:12:42,172 --> 00:12:44,092 and some of the most important days 258 00:12:44,172 --> 00:12:45,632 of your life begin. 259 00:12:51,506 --> 00:12:53,336 - Ran right to the dog. 260 00:12:57,339 --> 00:13:00,879 ♪ Oh, the weather outside is frightful ♪ 261 00:13:00,964 --> 00:13:03,634 ♪ Doo doo-doo shoo-doo the words ♪ 262 00:13:03,714 --> 00:13:06,634 ♪ Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow ♪ 263 00:13:06,714 --> 00:13:09,634 - Well, you grew up with a silver spoon, you know. 264 00:13:09,714 --> 00:13:14,094 You had everything you needed, wanted. 265 00:13:14,172 --> 00:13:16,462 You lived in a beautiful house. 266 00:13:16,547 --> 00:13:19,587 Then you had the house in Connecticut 267 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:21,463 that was a summer house for a while. 268 00:13:21,547 --> 00:13:23,627 - Oh. Uh-oh. 269 00:13:23,714 --> 00:13:25,804 Whoa. - Little sailor. 270 00:13:25,881 --> 00:13:27,131 - Say "Thank you, Mommy." 271 00:13:27,214 --> 00:13:30,634 - They tried to educate you, send you to the best schools. 272 00:13:30,714 --> 00:13:31,924 [laughter and chatter] 273 00:13:32,005 --> 00:13:34,085 There were nannies and chauffeurs. 274 00:13:34,172 --> 00:13:36,922 - There's Daddy. Ooh, there you go! 275 00:13:37,005 --> 00:13:38,125 Daddy. 276 00:13:38,214 --> 00:13:40,014 Getting ready for school. 277 00:13:40,089 --> 00:13:41,669 That's a nice outfit. 278 00:13:41,756 --> 00:13:43,796 Say bye-bye to Daddy. 279 00:13:43,881 --> 00:13:45,631 [tape grinds] 280 00:13:45,714 --> 00:13:49,134 - Your father was a multi-multimillionaire. 281 00:13:49,214 --> 00:13:52,134 He was CEO of Southern Electric. 282 00:13:52,214 --> 00:13:55,924 announcer: The Southern Company. 283 00:13:56,005 --> 00:13:58,295 - You know, your mom was wearing nicer clothes, 284 00:13:58,381 --> 00:14:00,171 and, you know, just-- 285 00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:04,915 things seemed simpler for her financially. 286 00:14:05,005 --> 00:14:08,045 He seemed like a really nice man. 287 00:14:09,589 --> 00:14:12,299 - In the beginning, oh, God, the day I met your father, 288 00:14:12,381 --> 00:14:14,631 he--I laughed so hard I was crying. 289 00:14:14,714 --> 00:14:17,174 He was one of the most charismatic, 290 00:14:17,255 --> 00:14:19,505 funny, intelligent people, 291 00:14:19,589 --> 00:14:21,339 and to your mother, he was-- 292 00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:23,172 he was the knight in shining armor. 293 00:14:23,255 --> 00:14:25,205 He was a prince. 294 00:14:25,297 --> 00:14:28,337 [tender music] 295 00:14:28,422 --> 00:14:30,342 I think your mom thought 296 00:14:30,422 --> 00:14:33,512 and believed in her heart of hearts 297 00:14:33,589 --> 00:14:36,759 that she married the man of her dreams. 298 00:14:38,381 --> 00:14:41,881 - She was head over heels in love 299 00:14:42,005 --> 00:14:44,045 and felt like 300 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:48,090 she was kinda living the dream. 301 00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:52,880 Hawaii and traveling the world and... 302 00:14:52,964 --> 00:14:56,304 I think she really felt this was wonderful. 303 00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:59,877 - Whee! 304 00:14:59,964 --> 00:15:04,384 Smile for the camera with your big tongue. 305 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,264 - Nice Mommy. - Hi. 306 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:08,259 - Having babies, 307 00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,879 she just came alive. 308 00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:13,384 - What a beautiful boy! 309 00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:16,304 What a beautiful boy! 310 00:15:17,964 --> 00:15:20,764 - I think that she thought, "Wow, this is-- 311 00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:23,129 "this is real. 312 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,804 "This is valuable. 313 00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,591 This makes me important." 314 00:15:26,673 --> 00:15:28,763 - [laughs] 315 00:15:28,839 --> 00:15:30,089 - I think she was a great mother. 316 00:15:30,172 --> 00:15:31,592 I really do. 317 00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:34,093 - I mean, if she could put up with me, she was-- 318 00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:36,552 anyone that could put up with me was a good mom. 319 00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,801 - Maddie, you were not a bad child. 320 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:40,761 I don't know where you get that. 321 00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:42,419 - Do you like it? 322 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,546 Is it good? 323 00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:47,295 - I always knew you'd be doing this 324 00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:49,261 because you were always the little director. 325 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:51,169 It was hysterical. 326 00:15:51,255 --> 00:15:52,705 You were the man behind the camera. 327 00:15:52,798 --> 00:15:54,258 - That's it. - That weird? 328 00:15:54,339 --> 00:15:56,089 - It's--look at my teeth. 329 00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:57,922 - I'm glad to see you're doing it. 330 00:15:58,005 --> 00:16:01,585 ♪ ♪ 331 00:16:01,673 --> 00:16:03,513 - They had you and Ali. 332 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:09,959 So I think in the beginning, it was very good. 333 00:16:10,047 --> 00:16:12,507 But, you know, 334 00:16:12,589 --> 00:16:15,299 stuff happens, right? 335 00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:18,091 Things change. 336 00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:21,262 - Is the documentary about Barbie being murdered, 337 00:16:21,339 --> 00:16:23,629 or is the documentary about who Barbie was? 338 00:16:23,714 --> 00:16:25,464 - Who she was. - Yeah? 339 00:16:25,547 --> 00:16:28,127 - It's about-- I mean, that's a part-- 340 00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:31,014 it's about her life, and that is a part of her life, 341 00:16:31,089 --> 00:16:34,709 and then it's also kind of about the family too. 342 00:16:37,923 --> 00:16:39,803 - [clears throat] 343 00:16:39,881 --> 00:16:42,841 [soft dramatic music] 344 00:16:42,923 --> 00:16:44,173 ♪ ♪ 345 00:16:44,255 --> 00:16:47,335 - There she is. 346 00:16:47,422 --> 00:16:50,172 Purple on white. 347 00:16:50,255 --> 00:16:51,375 - I don't know what had turned, 348 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:53,844 but something had turned. 349 00:16:53,923 --> 00:16:56,673 I remember looking at her one time 350 00:16:56,756 --> 00:16:59,006 and she looked so different. 351 00:16:59,089 --> 00:17:03,379 She seemed...hurt. 352 00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:06,344 Like she was pretending. 353 00:17:06,422 --> 00:17:09,512 And I could tell that their relationship was different. 354 00:17:09,589 --> 00:17:12,669 And then when we would visit, Jeff wasn't even there. 355 00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:14,876 It was just visiting Barbie. 356 00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:18,304 And I didn't ask her about it. I didn't talk about it. 357 00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:21,511 I'm sorry I didn't. 358 00:17:21,589 --> 00:17:24,209 - I mean, she was living such a privileged life 359 00:17:24,297 --> 00:17:25,377 when she met your father, 360 00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:29,384 and you guys were living such a privileged life. 361 00:17:29,464 --> 00:17:32,094 - There's Daddy. What a wonderful man. 362 00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:34,512 And a hard worker. 363 00:17:34,589 --> 00:17:37,209 - But your dad got in trouble 364 00:17:37,297 --> 00:17:39,667 when he was working at Southern Electric, 365 00:17:39,756 --> 00:17:43,546 and they fired him 366 00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:47,801 for making an illegal deal out of the country. 367 00:17:49,089 --> 00:17:50,879 But he took them to court, 368 00:17:50,964 --> 00:17:54,634 and he won $3.5 million, I believe, 369 00:17:54,714 --> 00:17:56,634 for defamation of character. 370 00:18:03,631 --> 00:18:07,881 - I think after what happened at Southern, 371 00:18:07,964 --> 00:18:10,554 something changed him. 372 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:14,261 - Your mom always said that that was such a blow to him. 373 00:18:14,339 --> 00:18:16,759 He was always trying to prove himself 374 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,459 by doing other ventures. 375 00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:21,667 And then when he started to travel and not come home, 376 00:18:21,756 --> 00:18:23,456 that's when the problems began 377 00:18:23,547 --> 00:18:27,257 because your mother was left alone all the time. 378 00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:29,799 And she was feeling like a single mother. 379 00:18:29,881 --> 00:18:33,841 And she was feeling as though she had been deserted. 380 00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:38,172 - Your dad pretty much abandoned her. 381 00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:41,592 So she filed for divorce. 382 00:18:41,673 --> 00:18:43,713 That was really a tough decision 383 00:18:43,798 --> 00:18:46,418 for her to make, you know? 384 00:18:46,506 --> 00:18:48,546 - The anger that your father had 385 00:18:48,631 --> 00:18:51,421 over your mother ending the marriage came out 386 00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,256 in not supporting her physically; 387 00:18:54,339 --> 00:18:57,009 not giving child support, not paying for the bills, 388 00:18:57,089 --> 00:19:00,339 not taking care of any of the financial parts 389 00:19:00,422 --> 00:19:03,462 that he was supposed to take care of. 390 00:19:03,547 --> 00:19:05,507 He just wanted to impoverish her. 391 00:19:05,589 --> 00:19:07,629 It seemed like a goal 392 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,464 that he had set for himself. 393 00:19:10,547 --> 00:19:12,757 And it was very sad to see that all happen, 394 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,629 because there are so many more wonderful things to focus on 395 00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:18,464 than revenge and anger. 396 00:19:18,547 --> 00:19:21,127 - Bye-bye. I love you. - Bye-bye. 397 00:19:21,214 --> 00:19:23,094 Bye-bye. - Bye-bye, Daddy. 398 00:19:24,881 --> 00:19:26,131 - Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 399 00:19:26,214 --> 00:19:27,304 Welcome for coming tonight. 400 00:19:27,381 --> 00:19:28,421 Madison Police Department, 401 00:19:28,506 --> 00:19:29,626 with the Connecticut State Police 402 00:19:29,714 --> 00:19:31,344 and the office of the chief state's attorney 403 00:19:31,422 --> 00:19:32,802 from New Haven County. 404 00:19:32,881 --> 00:19:34,171 We're continuing our investigation 405 00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,165 into the death of Barbara Hamburg 406 00:19:36,255 --> 00:19:39,625 from Middle Beach Road West in Madison. 407 00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:43,804 At this time, we're seeking to locate 408 00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:46,341 her former husband, Jeffrey Hamburg, 409 00:19:46,422 --> 00:19:48,592 date of birth 8/5/48. 410 00:19:48,673 --> 00:19:51,673 He's a white male, 6 feet tall with hazel eyes. 411 00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:53,666 Last known address is in West Hartford, Connecticut, 412 00:19:53,756 --> 00:19:55,126 Timberwood Road. 413 00:19:55,214 --> 00:19:56,344 - There's a statewide manhunt on 414 00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:58,512 from Hartford to West Hartford, even over to Windsor. 415 00:19:58,589 --> 00:19:59,709 We started off in West Hartford. 416 00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,008 Take a look. This is what we found. 417 00:20:01,089 --> 00:20:04,669 State police at an affluent condo complex 418 00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:08,336 where the owner of record is Jeffrey Hamburg. 419 00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:09,962 There were also some detectives 420 00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:12,047 at an Alstrom engineering plant, 421 00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:14,670 where they say Hamburg worked. 422 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,086 They could not find him there as well. 423 00:20:16,172 --> 00:20:17,342 Now, the neighbors we talked to say 424 00:20:17,422 --> 00:20:19,422 Hamburg lives in this condo complex. 425 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,546 He's lived in this unit here for about a year, 426 00:20:21,631 --> 00:20:24,341 though in that year time, they've only seen him once. 427 00:20:24,422 --> 00:20:27,422 On his front doorstep, the newspapers sit unread, 428 00:20:27,506 --> 00:20:29,166 and the people in the area were surprised, 429 00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:31,375 especially when they saw the state police come up 430 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:33,674 and ring the front door looking for him. 431 00:20:35,589 --> 00:20:38,209 - Do you have any opinion on who you-- 432 00:20:38,297 --> 00:20:41,587 who you think could've done this? 433 00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,923 - Well... [clears throat] 434 00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:46,875 It seems to me that your father was in the position 435 00:20:46,964 --> 00:20:51,384 to lose the most if she lived, 436 00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,924 and that was the day he was supposed to go to jail. 437 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,455 - Barbara Hamburg was to be in court this morning 438 00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,877 with her ex-husband Jeffrey Hamburg, 439 00:20:59,964 --> 00:21:02,594 but she never showed up for that court hearing. 440 00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:04,763 - The couple divorced in 2005, 441 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,209 followed by years of legal wrangling, 442 00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:10,127 and he owed back child support. 443 00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:13,264 - I mean, he had been withholding money. 444 00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:15,759 From what Barb told me, 445 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,259 she was going to throw him in jail. 446 00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:21,049 - Richard Callahan, attorney for Barbara Hamburg's estate, 447 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:23,880 says Jeff Hamburg has cried broke for too long 448 00:21:23,964 --> 00:21:26,264 while living a lavish lifestyle. 449 00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:28,879 - All right. Take one. 450 00:21:28,964 --> 00:21:30,174 Marker. 451 00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:33,915 - I'll tell you what I told the state police that day. 452 00:21:34,005 --> 00:21:36,125 Your father had been ordered 453 00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:39,014 and had promised to make certain payments. 454 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,629 Either your dad showed up with the money, 455 00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,134 or I'd be asking the court 456 00:21:44,214 --> 00:21:47,924 to find him in contempt of the court's orders 457 00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:50,875 and incarcerate him until he paid. 458 00:21:50,964 --> 00:21:52,804 - How much did he owe in total? 459 00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:55,131 - $153,000 to your mother 460 00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:58,464 and $324,000 461 00:21:58,547 --> 00:22:00,417 to you and your sister. 462 00:22:00,506 --> 00:22:02,916 There was no question he did not have the money 463 00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:04,455 on March 3rd. 464 00:22:04,547 --> 00:22:06,797 - Police say Jeff Hamburg was stealing money 465 00:22:06,881 --> 00:22:08,511 from his daughter's college fund 466 00:22:08,589 --> 00:22:12,089 about four years after he and his wife Barbara divorced. 467 00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:14,132 - What time did court start that day? 468 00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:15,674 - 9:30. 469 00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:19,706 Normally, your mom's there at 9:00, 9:15. 470 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,548 - What was my dad's demeanor like? 471 00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,171 - I don't know whether I could say 472 00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:25,665 that there was a change in his demeanor, 473 00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:28,626 but there was no complaint to me 474 00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:32,014 from him or his lawyer saying, "Where's your client? 475 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,509 Why isn't she here?" 476 00:22:33,589 --> 00:22:36,509 And that is what struck me. 477 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,839 But I should back up, because... 478 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,633 that suggests that I know 479 00:22:43,714 --> 00:22:46,674 that your father did something, 480 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,166 which I do not know. 481 00:22:48,255 --> 00:22:49,705 He just was the prime suspect 482 00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:52,798 because of the circumstances of that day. 483 00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:58,209 narrator: All parents have dreams. 484 00:22:58,297 --> 00:23:02,457 And they have definite ideas of what they want you to be. 485 00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,167 It isn't easy with a father who's never satisfied. 486 00:23:06,255 --> 00:23:08,005 Always wants you a little different, 487 00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:09,959 a little better. 488 00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:13,207 [distorted] More like his dream. 489 00:23:13,297 --> 00:23:15,207 - From the time that I met you, 490 00:23:15,297 --> 00:23:19,707 the relationship with your dad was not good. 491 00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:23,088 You know, it was very... 492 00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,922 [sighs] Controlling. 493 00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,375 I think you had 494 00:23:27,464 --> 00:23:29,384 a really close relationship with your mom, 495 00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:33,884 probably closer than most teenage boys. 496 00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:36,214 You were more like peers in some ways, 497 00:23:36,297 --> 00:23:39,587 so you had a hard time when she... 498 00:23:39,673 --> 00:23:42,673 tried to lay down the law with you. 499 00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:45,709 You were using substances, 500 00:23:45,798 --> 00:23:49,708 and you were expelled from school. 501 00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:51,588 Your dad got angry 502 00:23:51,673 --> 00:23:55,093 about a letter I had written to the court 503 00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:58,422 that stated that you didn't wanna live-- 504 00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:00,916 go to his house 505 00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,955 or spend time with him. 506 00:24:03,047 --> 00:24:06,417 He thought that that was my opinion. 507 00:24:06,506 --> 00:24:09,416 So once we clarified, really, 508 00:24:09,506 --> 00:24:11,916 that I was stating something 509 00:24:12,005 --> 00:24:14,295 that you had stated, 510 00:24:14,381 --> 00:24:15,921 it was cleared up, 511 00:24:16,005 --> 00:24:19,335 but I got a subpoena 512 00:24:19,422 --> 00:24:22,052 from the law--from his lawyer. 513 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:23,960 - Yeah, I remember. 514 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:26,457 He, like, freaked out. 515 00:24:26,547 --> 00:24:28,917 He, like, started, like, attacking you, kinda. 516 00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:31,585 - And then your mom called me the next day. 517 00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:36,012 To tell me that you were worried about me. 518 00:24:38,214 --> 00:24:42,264 That you didn't like the way your dad was treating me. 519 00:24:42,339 --> 00:24:45,009 - Can you talk about after? 520 00:24:45,089 --> 00:24:48,169 Like, the months after the murder? 521 00:24:48,255 --> 00:24:50,125 - You came to see me. 522 00:24:50,214 --> 00:24:53,844 You left school. 523 00:24:53,923 --> 00:24:56,303 And you came back to see me. 524 00:24:56,381 --> 00:24:59,261 Only for a few sessions though. 525 00:24:59,339 --> 00:25:02,959 Because, you know, you were not in a place 526 00:25:03,047 --> 00:25:04,917 that you could function in school. 527 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:08,375 You were afraid of, like, your own safety. 528 00:25:08,464 --> 00:25:10,554 And then shortly after, 529 00:25:10,631 --> 00:25:13,261 all communication with your dad stopped. 530 00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:20,455 - I knew that there were things in your dad's history. 531 00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:22,587 - Hi. Enough. 532 00:25:24,714 --> 00:25:26,844 - Your mom told me that he had been involved 533 00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:29,673 in something overseas. 534 00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:31,546 He had, I don't know how many passports. 535 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,511 Five? 536 00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:35,709 So it was a surprise. 537 00:25:35,798 --> 00:25:38,298 You know, to go from the CEO of Southern Electric 538 00:25:38,381 --> 00:25:43,381 to a life that few people could begin to understand. 539 00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:45,174 announcer: Electric energy into the future. 540 00:25:45,255 --> 00:25:47,205 [tape crackles] 541 00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:49,377 - Can you hear your daddy? 542 00:25:49,464 --> 00:25:50,714 [baby coos] 543 00:25:50,798 --> 00:25:52,708 Where's Daddy? 544 00:25:52,798 --> 00:25:54,048 [baby babbles] 545 00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:56,260 Where's Daddy? 546 00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:05,051 - A first look at Jeffrey Hamburg 547 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,420 as he walks to court this morning with his lawyer. 548 00:26:07,506 --> 00:26:09,256 This is his first public appearance, 549 00:26:09,339 --> 00:26:11,379 at an alimony and child support hearing, 550 00:26:11,464 --> 00:26:13,844 since his ex-wife Barbara Beach-Hamburg 551 00:26:13,923 --> 00:26:16,213 was found murdered earlier this month. 552 00:26:16,297 --> 00:26:17,757 The ex-husband has hired 553 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,259 well-known criminal defense lawyer Hugh Keefe-- 554 00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:22,049 - Lynch, Traube, Keefe, & Errante handles 555 00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:23,630 all kinds of criminal cases; 556 00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,674 murder, sexual assault, kidnapping, 557 00:26:26,756 --> 00:26:30,006 embezzlement, tax evasion, conspiracies. 558 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,129 - Your father immediately got an attorney 559 00:26:32,214 --> 00:26:34,804 so that he wouldn't have to go to the police. 560 00:26:34,881 --> 00:26:36,261 If I thought I had something to hide, 561 00:26:36,339 --> 00:26:39,589 I wouldn't be wanting to talk to the police. 562 00:26:39,673 --> 00:26:42,593 - Also in court today: police. 563 00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,053 - This is a routine support hearing. 564 00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:46,800 There are more police officers than lawyers 565 00:26:46,881 --> 00:26:48,461 in that courtroom today. 566 00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:50,627 The police, when they have a situation like this, 567 00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,264 automatically look 568 00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:54,549 at the spouse or ex-spouse. 569 00:26:54,631 --> 00:26:56,261 - The attorney that your dad hired, 570 00:26:56,339 --> 00:26:59,259 people were afraid of him in the courtroom. 571 00:26:59,339 --> 00:27:00,589 He's pretty masterful. 572 00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:02,713 - Keefe says Hamburg gave police 573 00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:05,708 a sample of his DNA and hair last week. 574 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,758 - I assume everything came back negative, 575 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,299 or he would've been arrested. 576 00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,421 - Also at today's post-divorce hearing, 577 00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:13,796 Barbara's sister, Conway Beach. 578 00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,461 - Have you spoken to Jeffrey at all? 579 00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:18,957 - No, I have not, and that's all I have. 580 00:27:19,047 --> 00:27:21,127 - Why do you think the police haven't opened 581 00:27:21,214 --> 00:27:23,464 a case against my father about the murder? 582 00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:25,587 - I think the police were-- 583 00:27:25,673 --> 00:27:27,133 dropped the ball on your mother's murder, 584 00:27:27,214 --> 00:27:28,804 if you want the truth. 585 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:31,381 [tense music] 586 00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:34,054 - I mean, it's very difficult to think of a small town 587 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:38,510 like Madison not being able to solve 588 00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:40,959 this egregious crime. 589 00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,167 It sounds like there was 590 00:27:42,255 --> 00:27:44,625 a sort of screw-up or something with the DNA. 591 00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:46,214 I'm not really sure. 592 00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:50,589 - We were asked as a family to wait to run the DNA 593 00:27:50,673 --> 00:27:53,463 because apparently there was a new DNA lab being built, 594 00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:56,167 and it was gonna be the best. 595 00:27:56,255 --> 00:27:58,205 - Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 596 00:27:58,297 --> 00:28:00,207 It is a pleasure to be here in Meriden 597 00:28:00,297 --> 00:28:02,337 to celebrate the groundbreaking 598 00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:05,132 for the state forensic science laboratory. 599 00:28:05,214 --> 00:28:07,384 Connecticut is a known leader 600 00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:09,384 in the field of forensic science, 601 00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:13,344 and this project will reinforce this distinction. 602 00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:14,462 - So we waited 603 00:28:14,547 --> 00:28:16,877 for this new DNA lab to be built. 604 00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:20,344 - We believe we are the premiere laboratory 605 00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:22,552 in the United States and in the world. 606 00:28:22,631 --> 00:28:27,011 - They ran the DNA and... 607 00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:30,799 the DNA kit was faulty. 608 00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:34,511 - And the difference between verdicts of guilty 609 00:28:34,589 --> 00:28:38,339 and verdicts of not guilty depends to a great extent 610 00:28:38,422 --> 00:28:42,012 upon the integrity of a laboratory such as ours. 611 00:28:42,089 --> 00:28:43,879 - Now, the state crime lab is under 612 00:28:43,964 --> 00:28:45,714 some extra pressure right now 613 00:28:45,798 --> 00:28:49,008 because a recent audit of its DNA processes 614 00:28:49,089 --> 00:28:50,759 came up with some problems, 615 00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:55,089 and its accreditation also has expired. 616 00:28:55,172 --> 00:28:56,712 - To be quite honest with you, Madison, 617 00:28:56,798 --> 00:28:59,838 I don't even know if there is any DNA left. 618 00:28:59,923 --> 00:29:02,463 And it scares the shit out of me. 619 00:29:03,464 --> 00:29:05,714 - After the medical examiner finished, 620 00:29:05,798 --> 00:29:07,168 she was cremated. 621 00:29:07,255 --> 00:29:10,755 I mean, that's a family tradition. 622 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,209 Knowing what I know now, 623 00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,087 one should wait a little longer 624 00:29:14,172 --> 00:29:17,552 until all evidence has been collected properly 625 00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,051 before you cremate them, 626 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:23,130 because DNA is so important now. 627 00:29:23,214 --> 00:29:26,214 [solemn music] 628 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,054 - Yeah. 629 00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,340 - Somebody's missing something. 630 00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:41,462 Cases can be solved without DNA. 631 00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:42,917 - There's been some scuttlebutt 632 00:29:43,005 --> 00:29:44,755 about the Madison Police Department being 633 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,419 less than ethical 634 00:29:46,506 --> 00:29:50,166 that I think needs to be investigated. 635 00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:52,634 - As you know, the state's attorney 636 00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:54,714 now investigating the ongoings here 637 00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:56,208 at the Madison Police Department. 638 00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:57,377 - Instead of making arrests, 639 00:29:57,464 --> 00:30:00,304 two Madison police officers are placed under arrest. 640 00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:02,631 - Three police officers have been fired. 641 00:30:02,714 --> 00:30:05,214 Officers were allegedly meeting with prostitutes, 642 00:30:05,297 --> 00:30:08,127 frequenting strip clubs and massage parlors, 643 00:30:08,214 --> 00:30:09,964 and establishing a motorcycle gang. 644 00:30:10,047 --> 00:30:11,797 Conversation at the coffee shop 645 00:30:11,881 --> 00:30:13,711 is often about bad cops. 646 00:30:13,798 --> 00:30:16,628 - People here are tired of the little bit of corruption 647 00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:18,964 that keeps cropping up in the police department. 648 00:30:19,047 --> 00:30:21,457 - Madison Police Officer is stripped of his badge. 649 00:30:21,547 --> 00:30:24,167 - Suspended and arrested for abusing police data-- 650 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,505 charged with stealing seafood from a restaurant-- 651 00:30:26,589 --> 00:30:30,629 now accused of stealing gasoline from the town pump. 652 00:30:30,714 --> 00:30:32,964 - It's a concern 653 00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:36,127 when the people that you trust to... 654 00:30:36,214 --> 00:30:37,764 to take care of things 655 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,839 are less than honest themselves. 656 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,344 I have no proof of that. 657 00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:45,172 Only a lot of... 658 00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:46,755 concern. 659 00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,961 narrator: This is the town you will grow up in. 660 00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:53,797 A nice, warm world. 661 00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,461 A happy, secure community. 662 00:30:56,547 --> 00:30:58,707 An atmosphere that prepares you 663 00:30:58,798 --> 00:31:01,168 to find your place in the world with confidence 664 00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:03,415 and the best use of your abilities. 665 00:31:10,255 --> 00:31:12,795 [line rings] 666 00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:16,416 - Hey. It's Madison. 667 00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,340 - I told you before I'm doing a documentary 668 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:24,212 on my mother for a class. 669 00:31:24,297 --> 00:31:26,877 And I was just seeing 670 00:31:26,964 --> 00:31:28,714 if there was any way I could get 671 00:31:28,798 --> 00:31:30,548 an interview with someone 672 00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:34,261 just about--just to go over, like, what the crime scene-- 673 00:31:34,339 --> 00:31:38,049 or something that I can use for my documentary. 674 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:39,130 - Um... 675 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,009 - Okay. 676 00:31:50,923 --> 00:31:52,133 - Right. 677 00:32:09,047 --> 00:32:10,297 - Okay. 678 00:32:18,506 --> 00:32:20,916 - Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. 679 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:21,875 [line beeps] 680 00:32:21,964 --> 00:32:24,134 Okay. [sighs] 681 00:32:24,214 --> 00:32:25,964 He doesn't know if we can do an interview, 682 00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:29,087 but, like, what if, um... 683 00:32:29,172 --> 00:32:32,802 I'm going in for questioning on Friday. 684 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,131 What if I, like, brought in a recorder? 685 00:32:36,214 --> 00:32:38,094 - Risky. 686 00:32:38,172 --> 00:32:40,462 - Well, I could record it with my phone. 687 00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:43,257 - Risky. 688 00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:45,009 - It'd be worth it. 689 00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,089 - Yeah, it would. 690 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,762 See what kinda questions they're asking you. 691 00:32:57,005 --> 00:33:01,415 - Madison, what brings us to the police station today? 692 00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:05,086 - I am about to get interrogated. 693 00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:08,963 It's just one of the many things 694 00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:11,837 that I have to put up with 695 00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,763 since someone... 696 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,209 came and killed my mother. 697 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:29,838 - Hi. Can I help you? 698 00:33:29,923 --> 00:33:32,173 - Hey, I'm here to see Detective Mulhern. 699 00:33:32,255 --> 00:33:34,045 - Your name, please? - Madison. 700 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:35,840 - Madison? - Yeah. 701 00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,463 - Is that your last name or first name? 702 00:33:37,547 --> 00:33:38,917 - It's my first name. - And your last name? 703 00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:40,205 - Hamburg. 704 00:33:40,297 --> 00:33:41,837 - Okay, I'll tell them that you're here. 705 00:33:41,923 --> 00:33:43,093 - Okay. Thank you. 706 00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:51,875 I don't even know if I'm, like, prepared for this. 707 00:35:10,506 --> 00:35:11,506 - Mm-hmm. 708 00:37:16,506 --> 00:37:17,506 - Uh, good. 709 00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:18,879 I mean... 710 00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,344 they don't wanna give us anything, 711 00:37:21,422 --> 00:37:24,262 but they want the doc. 712 00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:26,709 They want, like, all of our files. 713 00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:29,208 - What would it help them? 714 00:37:29,297 --> 00:37:32,757 - They think that, like, people would tell us things 715 00:37:32,839 --> 00:37:35,089 in interviews that they wouldn't tell them. 716 00:37:40,547 --> 00:37:43,917 [line rings] 717 00:37:44,005 --> 00:37:47,255 - Hey. How's it going? - Hey. What's going on? 718 00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:49,919 - Nothing, I just gotta catch up with you, that's all. 719 00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:51,255 - Yeah. 720 00:37:51,339 --> 00:37:52,759 I wanted to ask 721 00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:56,379 if you talked to your attorney again. 722 00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:58,214 - Yeah, I can't. 723 00:37:58,297 --> 00:38:00,587 I can't. There's no way. 724 00:38:00,673 --> 00:38:01,633 Sorry about that. 725 00:38:01,714 --> 00:38:05,054 - What's, like, the main reason you can't-- 726 00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,380 - Madison, I just can't discuss it. 727 00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:10,054 It's just-- it's a unqualified no, so... 728 00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:14,804 - Dad, can, like, I ask you some questions? 729 00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:16,131 - No. No. 730 00:38:16,214 --> 00:38:17,924 No, let's just leave it at that. 731 00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,755 - I just wanna know why-- 732 00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:23,129 why that I can't-- 733 00:38:23,214 --> 00:38:25,304 why you can't even just talk to me. 734 00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:26,841 - I know you wanna know answers, 735 00:38:26,923 --> 00:38:29,923 and I know you wanna know about your mom 736 00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:32,295 and her life and all that stuff. 737 00:38:32,381 --> 00:38:34,421 I just--it's just not-- 738 00:38:34,506 --> 00:38:37,166 maybe in years ahead, we can have this conversation, 739 00:38:37,255 --> 00:38:38,415 but not now. 740 00:38:38,506 --> 00:38:41,416 [tense music] 741 00:38:41,506 --> 00:38:46,956 ♪ ♪ 742 00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:50,257 - I just don't think that's fair. 743 00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:53,049 - Yeah. A lot of things aren't fair. 744 00:38:54,047 --> 00:38:55,877 I'm sorry. 745 00:38:55,964 --> 00:38:57,804 - I don't think that you're sorry. 746 00:38:57,881 --> 00:39:01,051 - Okay, well, you can believe me or not believe me. 747 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:02,300 It's your choice. 748 00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:09,341 ♪ ♪ 749 00:39:09,422 --> 00:39:11,592 - Do you want this case to get solved? 750 00:39:11,673 --> 00:39:13,593 - Madison, I'm not going to answer 751 00:39:13,673 --> 00:39:15,463 any more questions about it. 752 00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:16,627 - At this point-- at this point-- 753 00:39:16,714 --> 00:39:18,634 - As far as I'm concerned, I cannot answer any-- 754 00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:20,674 Madison, I can't answer any more questions. 755 00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,756 - At this point, I honestly, in my honest opinion, 756 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,799 don't know if you want this case to be solved. 757 00:39:28,047 --> 00:39:32,007 If--I don't know if you care more about covering yourself 758 00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:34,959 than this case being solved, which doesn't make any sense, 759 00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:37,957 'cause if this case is solved and if you're innocent-- 760 00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:40,087 - I have nothing to add. I have nothing to add. 761 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:42,342 I have no knowledge of your mother's life, 762 00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,552 uh, really. 763 00:39:44,631 --> 00:39:46,671 - You were married to her for 13 years. 764 00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:49,046 - Well, yeah, but I have no-- - And you were dealing with-- 765 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,130 - I have no-- I don't know anything. 766 00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:54,424 - How do you expect me to trust you? 767 00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:58,839 - Madison, that's a decision you have to make. 768 00:39:58,923 --> 00:40:00,053 - Is it? Is it? 769 00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:03,550 It's a decision based on your secrecy. 770 00:40:03,631 --> 00:40:05,091 - Madison, it's a decision-- it's a decision 771 00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:06,092 that you have to make. 772 00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:07,632 I would hope that you would understand, 773 00:40:07,714 --> 00:40:10,344 but if you don't, you don't. 774 00:40:10,422 --> 00:40:11,552 - I mean, that's your decision. 775 00:40:11,631 --> 00:40:16,051 Maybe one day, you'll get the courage together to... 776 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,880 to face this stuff and change something, 777 00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:21,594 but until then, that's-- 778 00:40:21,673 --> 00:40:23,803 you're gonna stay in the same spot. 779 00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:27,381 Because that's--you are one of the main pieces 780 00:40:27,464 --> 00:40:29,384 that's stopping everything. 781 00:40:29,464 --> 00:40:33,964 ♪ ♪ 782 00:40:34,047 --> 00:40:37,877 [sighs] 783 00:40:37,964 --> 00:40:39,554 I guess that I gotta-- 784 00:40:39,631 --> 00:40:42,261 I have other things I gotta do today. 785 00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:43,839 - Okay. 786 00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:45,883 - All right. - Yeah. Bye. 787 00:40:45,964 --> 00:40:47,094 - Bye. 788 00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:50,172 ♪ ♪ 789 00:40:54,047 --> 00:40:55,667 I tried. I mean... 790 00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:04,755 He doesn't wanna... 791 00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:06,419 doesn't wanna help. 792 00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:09,756 Doesn't want anything to change. 793 00:41:16,673 --> 00:41:19,513 [somber music] 794 00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:26,549 ♪ ♪ 795 00:41:28,506 --> 00:41:31,506 - This is where I found my sister murdered. 796 00:41:33,923 --> 00:41:35,673 He's here, Barbie. 797 00:41:35,756 --> 00:41:41,796 ♪ ♪ 798 00:41:41,881 --> 00:41:44,011 - I guess all I wanna say is I love you. 799 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:45,339 - Mm. 800 00:41:45,422 --> 00:41:48,462 - [sniffling] 801 00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:50,627 And I'm gonna do whatever I can 802 00:41:50,714 --> 00:41:52,634 to find out what happened to you. 803 00:41:52,714 --> 00:41:59,714 ♪ ♪ 804 00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:13,839 My mom's been dead for six years. 805 00:42:13,923 --> 00:42:16,673 Nothing's happened with the case. 806 00:42:16,756 --> 00:42:18,086 I thought it would hold me back 807 00:42:18,172 --> 00:42:19,672 from, you know, my immediate goals. 808 00:42:19,756 --> 00:42:21,956 I was wrapped up with school. 809 00:42:22,047 --> 00:42:24,257 We were kinda waiting for... 810 00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:29,342 Like, some sort of-- someone to come forward. 811 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:31,462 Some sort of momentum. 812 00:42:33,673 --> 00:42:35,553 And I feel like if I don't do it, 813 00:42:35,631 --> 00:42:37,841 that if I don't cause, 814 00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:42,213 like, a reason for people to notice, 815 00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:44,297 it's just gonna stay what it is. 816 00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:49,339 - To go back? 817 00:42:51,464 --> 00:42:53,344 - I don't think I can ever be prepared 818 00:42:53,422 --> 00:42:56,762 to fully go back to that place. 819 00:42:56,839 --> 00:43:00,629 But I feel like this is a second chance 820 00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:04,014 to actually face what was happening 821 00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:06,589 and not run away from it like I was. 822 00:43:06,673 --> 00:43:09,593 [indistinct announcement] 823 00:43:09,673 --> 00:43:12,633 [tense music] 824 00:43:12,714 --> 00:43:19,424 ♪ ♪ 825 00:43:19,506 --> 00:43:22,416 We have to figure out where I'm gonna walk. 826 00:43:22,506 --> 00:43:23,956 - Where do you think he would walk to? 827 00:43:24,047 --> 00:43:25,757 - Back to the subway. - Back to the subway? 828 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,209 - So you should walk the other way. 829 00:43:27,297 --> 00:43:29,257 - So he can't follow you anywhere. 830 00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:30,549 - Yeah. 831 00:43:30,631 --> 00:43:32,761 - When was the last time you guys saw each other? 832 00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,919 - Like, I honestly can't remember. 833 00:43:35,005 --> 00:43:36,915 - So we're here. 834 00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:38,375 The restaurant that they're meeting in 835 00:43:38,464 --> 00:43:40,464 is across the street over there, 836 00:43:40,547 --> 00:43:43,757 probably, I don't know, 837 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,299 30 yards away. 838 00:43:46,381 --> 00:43:49,711 Loop it, and then you could tape it somewhere if you want. 839 00:43:49,798 --> 00:43:50,758 Talk. 840 00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:53,169 - Hello, hello, hello. 841 00:43:55,923 --> 00:43:58,963 I can't fucking... 842 00:43:59,047 --> 00:44:01,507 - Okay, I'll give him this. 843 00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:02,959 - Kay. 844 00:44:03,047 --> 00:44:07,127 ♪ ♪ 845 00:44:07,214 --> 00:44:08,634 Oh. 846 00:44:08,714 --> 00:44:10,304 Sorry. 847 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,841 - How are you feeling, Madison? 848 00:44:11,923 --> 00:44:13,923 - Pretty--pretty weird. 849 00:44:20,464 --> 00:44:21,804 - There he is. There he is. 850 00:44:21,881 --> 00:44:23,261 - Shh. 851 00:44:29,381 --> 00:44:32,511 [rock music over speakers] 852 00:47:35,923 --> 00:47:38,923 - [sighs] Okay. 853 00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:48,167 That was really stressful for me, 854 00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,665 and I felt it leading up to it, 855 00:47:50,756 --> 00:47:52,956 and that entire time, my heart was racing. 856 00:47:57,422 --> 00:47:59,132 - Are we rolling? - Yep. 857 00:47:59,214 --> 00:48:00,844 - Yes. 858 00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:04,213 I'd never had a beer with my dad. 859 00:48:04,297 --> 00:48:05,757 First time. 860 00:48:09,214 --> 00:48:10,514 I wanna show you something. 861 00:48:12,673 --> 00:48:14,013 This is my, like, 862 00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:17,549 memories thing. 863 00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:21,841 This is pretty much what I have left. 864 00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:26,424 - Wait, what's that from? 865 00:48:26,506 --> 00:48:28,126 - The crematorium. 866 00:48:36,297 --> 00:48:37,587 It's weird, 867 00:48:37,673 --> 00:48:41,263 like, thinking about someone so close to you 868 00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:43,799 as, like, remains. 869 00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:50,089 It's a piece of history, I guess. 870 00:48:50,172 --> 00:48:51,762 From my history. 871 00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,259 - [squeaking] 872 00:48:54,339 --> 00:48:56,919 [baby giggles] [laughs] 873 00:48:57,005 --> 00:48:59,415 [kissing] [both laugh] 874 00:48:59,506 --> 00:49:01,586 - [indistinct baby talk] 875 00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:04,673 [laughs] I got you. 876 00:49:06,381 --> 00:49:09,761 - After the funeral, I had this dream. 877 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,919 I was at this dinner, 878 00:49:12,005 --> 00:49:14,415 and I'm looking at this woman, 879 00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:17,956 and I realize that's my mom. 880 00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:20,417 And her hair is long 881 00:49:20,506 --> 00:49:24,706 and I'm like, "Mom, you're beautiful." 882 00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,958 And she's just like, 883 00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:31,757 "Your hair keeps growing after you die." 884 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:32,799 - [laughs] 885 00:49:32,881 --> 00:49:34,631 [kissing] 886 00:49:34,714 --> 00:49:36,804 - The only regret I think I could ever have... 887 00:49:36,881 --> 00:49:38,421 - [laughs] 888 00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:41,126 - She came down to visit and I went on a date 889 00:49:41,214 --> 00:49:44,094 instead of seeing her. 890 00:49:44,172 --> 00:49:45,342 She came down to see me. 891 00:49:45,422 --> 00:49:47,962 She came down on Valentine's Day. 892 00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:49,127 - This one's to Maddie. 893 00:49:49,214 --> 00:49:50,924 Aww. 894 00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:53,005 Happy first Valentine. 895 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:54,459 [gasps] Is that pretty? 896 00:49:54,547 --> 00:49:56,297 It's a heart. 897 00:49:56,381 --> 00:49:58,461 - I talked to her the night before. 898 00:49:58,547 --> 00:50:01,957 [solemn music] 899 00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:05,297 And I told her I loved her and that I was sorry 900 00:50:05,381 --> 00:50:07,921 about Valentine's Day. 901 00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:14,669 How could--you know, how could I talk to her, 902 00:50:14,756 --> 00:50:17,756 and within hours... 903 00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:22,553 She's murdered? 904 00:50:22,631 --> 00:50:26,671 all: ♪ Happy birthday, dear Madison ♪ 905 00:50:26,756 --> 00:50:30,796 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 906 00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,341 - Growing up, 907 00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,052 your parents are your heroes. 908 00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:38,090 My mother was a superhero. 909 00:50:39,464 --> 00:50:42,634 When people get to adulthood, 910 00:50:42,714 --> 00:50:45,344 they get to meet their parents 911 00:50:45,422 --> 00:50:47,672 as human beings, 912 00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:50,256 and I didn't have that. 913 00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:53,588 I need to meet that person. 914 00:50:55,756 --> 00:50:57,876 And this is the only way to do that. 915 00:50:57,964 --> 00:51:04,344 ♪ ♪ 916 00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:08,341 So many baseball cards. 917 00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:13,590 [line rings] 918 00:51:13,673 --> 00:51:14,553 - Hey. 919 00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:15,761 - How's it going? 920 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,879 - Okay. 921 00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:19,344 I'd like to hear from you more often. 922 00:51:19,422 --> 00:51:21,212 - Do you get worried about me or something? 923 00:51:21,297 --> 00:51:24,047 - Yeah, of course I do. You're my son. 924 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,170 I'm worried about you. 925 00:51:26,255 --> 00:51:28,295 I'm even worried about your sister. 926 00:51:28,381 --> 00:51:30,381 I never stopped loving her. 927 00:51:30,464 --> 00:51:32,384 Still my daughter. 928 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,554 - The past six years have been so crazy 929 00:51:35,631 --> 00:51:37,921 that, like, I wish I could just 930 00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:39,295 do something about it. 931 00:51:39,381 --> 00:51:41,631 I just don't know what that is, you know? 932 00:51:41,714 --> 00:51:43,714 - Well, you're old enough to realize 933 00:51:43,798 --> 00:51:45,958 that there really are two sides to the story. 934 00:51:46,047 --> 00:51:48,627 Mom's side of the family were--blame somebody, 935 00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:50,554 so they're probably trying to blame me. 936 00:51:50,631 --> 00:51:52,551 But that doesn't fit the facts. 937 00:51:52,631 --> 00:51:54,631 I wasn't there. 938 00:51:54,714 --> 00:51:56,594 You can't get an answer if you don't have people 939 00:51:56,673 --> 00:51:59,013 looking in the right places. 940 00:51:59,089 --> 00:52:00,919 They're not looking internally, 941 00:52:01,005 --> 00:52:04,255 to Jill and to Conway. 942 00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:05,879 I know your aunts have been very good to you, 943 00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:09,554 but they were both involved in the other possibility. 944 00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,421 - Women's gifting circles. 945 00:52:11,506 --> 00:52:13,416 - Gifting tables-- - Gifting circle-- 946 00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,666 - They're what prosecutors nationwide have called 947 00:52:15,756 --> 00:52:18,456 a pyramid scheme. 948 00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,377 - Your aunt Jill, to me, gets a lot 949 00:52:20,464 --> 00:52:22,214 of the potential blame here, 950 00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:23,917 'cause she got your mother into it, 951 00:52:24,005 --> 00:52:25,665 and your mother was in it in a big way 952 00:52:25,756 --> 00:52:26,796 as a leader. 953 00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,131 - Two women found guilty back in February 954 00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,134 of running the table, 955 00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:31,804 55-year-old Donna Bello 956 00:52:31,881 --> 00:52:34,511 and 64-year-old Jill Platt of Guilford. 957 00:52:34,589 --> 00:52:37,049 Now these women are charged with federal wire fraud 958 00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,460 and filing false tax returns. 959 00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,917 - What's the motive? 960 00:52:41,005 --> 00:52:42,335 - Money. 961 00:52:42,422 --> 00:52:47,302 - Losses to victims totaled more than $1 million. 962 00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:49,261 - Somebody was threatening your mom. 963 00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:50,589 And the way that police handled it, 964 00:52:50,673 --> 00:52:52,133 it was just awful. 965 00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:54,674 New evidence came up and they just ignored it. 966 00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:56,006 Anyway, I don't wanna talk about it, 967 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:57,879 'cause she--it'll be disparaging about your mother, 968 00:52:57,964 --> 00:52:59,514 and I don't wanna talk ill about the dead. 969 00:52:59,589 --> 00:53:01,009 But all I know is that it's-- 970 00:53:01,089 --> 00:53:02,049 it ruined my life 971 00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,800 and continuing to ruin my life. 972 00:53:06,923 --> 00:53:09,173 - I wish there was something 973 00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:11,705 to do about it. 974 00:53:11,798 --> 00:53:14,548 - At the end of the day, there's nothing you can do. 975 00:53:14,631 --> 00:53:16,011 We're not investigators. 976 00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:18,709 [tense music] 977 00:53:18,798 --> 00:53:20,708 - Why would someone wanna kill my mom? 978 00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,668 - I don't know. The body was covered. 979 00:53:23,756 --> 00:53:27,206 And usually, that shows remorse by the person who did this. 980 00:53:27,297 --> 00:53:29,507 You know, we don't want anybody to see this. 981 00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:33,379 I see that as something very personal. 982 00:53:33,464 --> 00:53:35,844 - Could the murderer be someone that we... 983 00:53:35,923 --> 00:53:37,013 - It could be any of us 984 00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,209 that you're talking to right now. 985 00:53:39,297 --> 00:53:42,547 Maybe whoever you speak to 986 00:53:42,631 --> 00:53:44,761 might get a conscience 987 00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:46,419 and maybe come out with it, 988 00:53:46,506 --> 00:53:48,456 'cause they've been sick of living with it. 989 00:53:48,547 --> 00:53:50,167 Who knows? 990 00:53:50,255 --> 00:53:52,125 Anything is possible. 991 00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,014 Somebody somewhere 992 00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:58,459 knows something. 993 00:54:05,464 --> 00:54:08,014 - [unintelligible] You got the ball? 994 00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:10,669 - Yeah. 995 00:54:10,756 --> 00:54:11,666 - Here. - Ball? 996 00:54:11,756 --> 00:54:13,256 - Here. - Red ball? 997 00:54:13,339 --> 00:54:15,339 - Yep. Ali. 998 00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,126 Madison got on the ball. 999 00:54:21,214 --> 00:54:22,924 [laughs] 1000 00:54:23,005 --> 00:54:25,755 And? 1001 00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,299 Nice throw, Maddie. 1002 00:54:28,381 --> 00:54:31,591 Can you give the ball to Mom? You wanna play? 1003 00:54:31,673 --> 00:54:34,673 [unintelligible] 1004 00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:50,086 - [babbles] - Flowers? 1005 00:54:50,172 --> 00:54:51,592 You gonna get the flowers? 1006 00:54:51,673 --> 00:54:52,803 Okay. 1007 00:54:52,881 --> 00:54:55,421 Get the flowers. 1008 00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,916 Oh. 1009 00:54:57,005 --> 00:54:58,705 Aww. 1010 00:54:58,798 --> 00:55:00,798 Pretty flowers. 1011 00:55:03,214 --> 00:55:04,634 Madison got on the ball. 1012 00:55:04,714 --> 00:55:06,634 [laughs] 1013 00:55:06,714 --> 00:55:09,674 And? 1014 00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:13,416 Nice throw, Maddie. 1015 00:55:13,506 --> 00:55:16,506 [unintelligible] 1016 00:55:35,714 --> 00:55:37,674 [bright tone] 1017 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:40,919 MADISON HAMBURG: I hope I'm not disturbing you 1018 00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:41,955 with any of the questions. 1019 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,667 WOMAN: No. I mean, I don't wanna be 1020 00:55:43,756 --> 00:55:45,586 the one to drop the bombs here, you know? 1021 00:55:46,297 --> 00:55:47,917 MADISON: I'm ready for bombs. 1022 00:55:49,673 --> 00:55:52,013 MAN 2: The focus should be, was there something else 1023 00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:52,919 going on? 1024 00:55:53,214 --> 00:55:54,764 Is there something that we're missing? 1025 00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:58,129 With the gifting tables, you joined with a 5,000 dollar gift. 1026 00:55:58,798 --> 00:56:01,668 The gifting table was a pyramid scheme. 1027 00:56:01,756 --> 00:56:03,046 It got out of control. 1028 00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:06,671 Some people can get to a point where they can snap. 1029 00:56:06,923 --> 00:56:08,633 MADISON: You and my mother witnessed 1030 00:56:08,714 --> 00:56:12,014 a man wearing a ski mask walk though our yard? 1031 00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:14,419 WOMAN 2: It was the day before she was murdered. 1032 00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:16,304 MADISON: Oh my god. 75052

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