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Ted: A person of this type
chooses his victims for a reason.

His victims are young attractive women.

Women are possessions.

Beings which are subservient,
more often than not, to males.

Women are merchandise.

From the pomographic,

through playboy, right on up
to the evening news.

So there is no denying
the sexual component.

However, sex has significance

only in the context
of a much broader scheme of things.

That is possession, control, violence.

Ted: Now let's consider the possibility

that this person suffered
from some sort of acute onset

of a desire
that resulted in killing young women.

How do you account for it?

The early manifestations
of this condition,

which is an interest
concerning sexual images

your standard fare
that you'd see in the movie house

or in Playboy magazine.

The interest becomes skewed
toward a more specialized literature

some of it pretty grotesque,

which would preoccupy him
more and more.

It would reach a point where

the anger, the frustration,
the anxiety, the poor self-image

feeling cheated, wronged, insecure

this person decides upon young attractive
women being his victims.

One particular evening,

he was driving down a fairly dark street,

and saw a girl walking along the street.

And parked his car
and ran up behind the girl

and she heard him, she turned around,
and he brandished the knife,

and grabbed her by the arm,

and told her to do what wanted her to do.

Let's say he placed his hands
around her throat

just to throttle her into unconsciousness
so that she wouldn't scream anymore.

When the need
of that malignant condition

had been satisfied
through sexual release,

he realized
that he couldn't let the girl go.

So killing to a degree

will become a way of destroying evidence.

But the act of killing
becomes an end in itself.

Bob Keppel: This will be an interview
with Elizabeth Kloepfer. K-L-O-E-P-F-ER.

Bob: Are you aware
that this interview is being taped?

Liz: Yes.

Bob: Is it taped with your approval?
Liz: Yes.

Liz: he mentioned an incident

about following a sorority girl.

When he was out late at night
and he would follow people like that.

but that he' tried not to, but

but he just did it anyway.

The night
that Brenda Ball disappeared.

He'd been with me and my family

and he left early in the evening
and then the next day he was late to my

daughter's baptism.

And then he said,
"It's pretty scary, isn't it?"

After Lake Sammamish,

they were working from a list
of hundreds upon hundreds of leads.

So the emphasis becomes
on don't get caught.

Then it becomes a matter
of disposing of the problem

without leaving any evidence.

I suppose they could be faulted for not

actually coming out and talking to me,

but on the other hand
they can't be faulted.

Which one are they gonna pick,

the law student
with no criminal background

or are they going to go after
the guy with the...

arrest record for robbery,
or you know, the types?

The real weirdos.

People don't realize that murderers
do not come out in the dark

with long teeth
and saliva dripping off their chin.

I loved Utah.

I decided that I was moving down there

in September of '74.

Hopped on the interstate
going south toward Provo.

All of a sudden I felt
almost euphoric.

I just looked out the window
and watched the scenery, and

dreamed, and reminisced,

and generally maintained
a real good feeling I had

all the way into Utah.

We are dealing with an individual

whose primary concern
is not to be detected.

The individual's modus operandi was

moving large amounts of distance

in an attempt
to camouflage what he was doing.

And that he was also
able to take advantage

of the anonymity factor.

He would probably be so caught up
with living a dual life

he'd been enmeshed
in that continuing cycle

of trying to maintain a normal life.

He would modify his behavior

to make him a sound, stable,
law-abiding individual.

Stephen: What do you think
can be surmised about Taylor Mountain?

Ted: About the Taylor Mountain
crime scene?

We can make a reasonable guess

this individual was clearly trying
to cover up his crimes.

When a body was left there

the animals in the area were doing,
you know,

his work for him.

And he would continue to go back there

simply because he had
his own garbage disposal.

The inherent shortcomings
of law enforcement

make the detection of crime

and the solution of crime
an extremely difficult process.

Defects in our system of law enforcement

permit the individual to get away with it.

It was a freak occurrence that brought me
in contact with Hayward

at two o'clock in the morning.

We're talking about luck.

People built a case
around a non-existent eye witness.

Eye witness identification
was built by the police.

But I kept it together,

because there's no point
in destroying myself.

I have got to keep myself together.
I have got to keep my presence of mind.

Because as long as I do that,
I am going to beat these people.

When Carol DaRonch came to testify

I was beside myself with rage.

She is turning into a professional
witness as far as I'm concerned.

And when I heard her
go through that routine,

I got very very angry and indignant.

And I got up and I pointed at the judge
and pointed at her

and I said, she's lying.
She's lied before, and she's lying now.

There is no right way for me to act.

I showed emotion.
You know what people said?

See? He really can
get violent and angry.

And I don't care
what people think about how I act.

I act according to the way I think
is right and best for me at the time.

The Psychologist...

well he was an asshole,
but there must be...

some better words to describe
that kind of mentality.

I probably spoke to him more often

during the time
I was at the Utah State Prison

than any other prison official.

Most of my close friends,
we played pee wee football.

I went out for the track team.
I did well in academics.

Never had any trouble.
Not even a suggestion of trouble.

This, of course,
this illegitimacy issue is...

for the amateur psychologist
it's the thing.

I mean, it's so stupid.
It bugs the shit out of me,

I don't know what to do about it.

Or how many people are in fact...

find out that they are illegitimate?
Or even adopted at a later age?

It's normal.

The prison psychologist hoped so much

that he himself would be responsible

for opening Ted Bundy up
for the world to see...

what was ticking inside
Bundy's obviously devious mind.

I was in the visiting area
of maximum security

at the Utah State Prison
with Bruce Lubeck.

Bruce and I had been talking
for no more than 15 minutes

when the steel doors
to security slid open.

And into the room walked three men.

They approached me and said,
"Mr. Bundy, we have here...

the warrant for your arrest for the murder
of Caryn Campbell in Colorado."

I don't like being locked up.
I don't like my liberty taken away.

And I don't like
being treated like an animal,

and I don't like
people walking around and ogling me

like I'm some sort of weirdo,
because I'm not.

Being in prison

going through a kind of hell

matures a person, and I think
it's done good things for me.

My class is graduating in about a month.

From law school.

I'll bet you I know more about law
than any of them.

As the months and weeks
wore on into Spring

and one opportunity
after another passed.

And I became more and more
impatient with myself.

I psyched, psyched, psyched
myself up for weeks.

Literally, it took weeks.

I began jumping off the top bunk
in my cell in the Garfield County Jail.

Jumping again and again and again
off the top bunk to the floor

to strengthen my legs for the impact.

I measured,
mentally measured the distance

from the corner of the courthouse
to the alley

and from the alley to the riverbed
and from the riverbed to the mountains.

And I measured my cell
and I ran those distances.

I ran those distances again and again

I practiced how rapidly
I could change my clothes

from my courtroom attire
to my shorts and

I, um, got a haircut...

so that I had a different appearance.

Finally I stood right before it.

I hesitated.

You cannot believe the thoughts
that flipped through my mind.

I could be free.

The windows were open and the fresh air
is blowing through and the sky was blue.

And I said I'm ready to go

and I walked to the window
and jumped out.