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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,209 --> 00:00:03,378 [ambient music] 2 00:00:03,378 --> 00:00:09,426 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:09,426 --> 00:00:14,431 - In 2012, I founded a company called TLI. 4 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:19,978 TLI's job is to carry out my vision. 5 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:21,772 But it's not just my vision. 6 00:00:21,772 --> 00:00:24,733 It's a vision that many on this Earth share. 7 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:27,194 You could fit all of these things 8 00:00:27,194 --> 00:00:30,197 which I see for this world under one title: 9 00:00:30,197 --> 00:00:32,407 positive world change. 10 00:00:32,407 --> 00:00:36,036 My intention is to build a company 11 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:40,207 that is so large and so unstoppable 12 00:00:40,207 --> 00:00:42,584 that nothing can come up against it, 13 00:00:42,584 --> 00:00:45,045 a company whose intentions are so pure 14 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:47,589 that not even the people who created the company-- 15 00:00:47,589 --> 00:00:51,843 not even the executives, the CEOs, the directors-- 16 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:53,470 can come up against it. 17 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:57,224 My joy on this planet is carrying out that vision, 18 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:58,976 and so, I will. 19 00:00:58,976 --> 00:01:00,102 Have a good week. 20 00:01:00,102 --> 00:01:03,063 [tense music] 21 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:10,237 ♪ ♪ 22 00:01:19,955 --> 00:01:22,916 [tranquil music] 23 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,627 ♪ ♪ 24 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:27,087 TEAL: I'm carrying the responsibility 25 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:30,299 of so much of this mission, 26 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:34,136 but it's so dependent upon the people around me. 27 00:01:38,348 --> 00:01:41,184 The people who are the most dedicated to this, 28 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,145 they know me on a very close, personal level, 29 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:44,855 and it's like my inner circle. 30 00:01:46,398 --> 00:01:50,694 Originally, they started as volunteers, 31 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:53,697 people who wanted to learn from me 32 00:01:53,697 --> 00:01:56,408 in exchange for working for me. 33 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:01,121 TRISTEN: Coming from an Asian household, 34 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:04,207 I was pretty much told that I was gonna be a doctor, 35 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:06,335 and I adopted that as mine. 36 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:07,878 And then, I stumbled across Teal, 37 00:02:07,878 --> 00:02:12,883 and I was just like, "Okay, this feels real to me." 38 00:02:12,883 --> 00:02:16,053 And that's when I decided to drop out of college. 39 00:02:16,053 --> 00:02:18,180 Is there anyone that would want to film a testimonial 40 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:19,181 of your experience? 41 00:02:19,181 --> 00:02:20,932 Go for it. 42 00:02:20,932 --> 00:02:22,017 That was beautiful. 43 00:02:22,017 --> 00:02:23,310 Perfect. Absolutely perfect. 44 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:24,645 - I don't know if you guys know this, 45 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:27,272 but Cyan wasn't the name I was born with and legally have. 46 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:28,649 Do you know that? 47 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:30,692 [laughs] 48 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:33,695 My actual legal name is Matthew. 49 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:35,155 Are you familiar with Teal's work? 50 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:36,823 - No, I'm not. CYAN: Both Teal and I, 51 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:38,575 at the same time, were like, something feels so different 52 00:02:38,575 --> 00:02:40,327 to where, like, my name doesn't even feel 53 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:41,745 like it matches me anymore, 54 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:44,331 like that's some other identity, 55 00:02:44,331 --> 00:02:46,917 And then, we came up with this name together. 56 00:02:46,917 --> 00:02:48,752 [chuckles] 57 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,172 MATTHIAS: Back home, in Germany, 58 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,591 I used to be a tennis coach. 59 00:02:54,591 --> 00:02:56,134 Teal called me, and she said, 60 00:02:56,134 --> 00:02:57,177 "You know what, I have the intuition 61 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,262 "that you've been managing 62 00:02:59,262 --> 00:03:00,681 "and coaching tennis players. 63 00:03:00,681 --> 00:03:03,517 What do you think about managing me?" 64 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:05,352 And immediately, I said yes. 65 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:08,397 [cheers and applause] 66 00:03:08,397 --> 00:03:09,898 My number one goal right now 67 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:12,693 is to get her as big as possible. 68 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:18,448 - When you first see her, it just-- 69 00:03:18,448 --> 00:03:20,492 you know, your whole world explodes, and it's like, 70 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:24,121 "Who is this creature? Are you even human?" 71 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:25,414 You know? 72 00:03:25,414 --> 00:03:29,209 How do you have this answer that no one else has? 73 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:33,839 I eat, breathe, sleep in this process. 74 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:37,384 I don't think I've really left her side 75 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:40,971 for the last seven years. 76 00:03:47,269 --> 00:03:48,145 [dog barks distantly] 77 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,316 TEAL: Everyone around me has made the decision 78 00:03:53,316 --> 00:03:55,444 to dedicate their life to this mission. 79 00:03:57,612 --> 00:03:59,781 We're ready to sacrifice anything for it. 80 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:03,827 [tapping rhythmically] 81 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:05,912 Everyone has to have that attitude. 82 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:11,710 That's what it takes to go to the altitude I'm going to. 83 00:04:16,006 --> 00:04:17,215 FOLLOWER: Good morning! FOLLOWER: Good morning. 84 00:04:17,215 --> 00:04:18,759 How are you? 85 00:04:29,311 --> 00:04:32,522 [laughter] 86 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:39,738 - I--okay, so I made it-- 87 00:04:39,738 --> 00:04:42,741 this is why I am wanting to have this conversation. 88 00:04:42,741 --> 00:04:44,868 This community, obviously based on the fact 89 00:04:44,868 --> 00:04:46,787 that it's oriented around this mission, 90 00:04:46,787 --> 00:04:48,455 with me at the spearhead of it, 91 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:49,247 functions a lot differently 92 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:52,167 than most intentional communities. 93 00:04:52,167 --> 00:04:53,877 It's not a real safe community... 94 00:04:56,338 --> 00:04:57,798 both because of the level of pressure 95 00:04:57,798 --> 00:04:59,341 that we're under all the time and the level of attacks 96 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:01,301 we get all the time. 97 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:04,262 So my only safety is this community. 98 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:06,264 It's all the people around me. 99 00:05:06,264 --> 00:05:07,933 I'm in the middle here, 100 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:11,061 and, like, my community forms this little circle, like that. 101 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,979 And that is my everything. JULIANA: Mm-hmm. 102 00:05:12,979 --> 00:05:16,900 TEAL: And, like, Blake is the person that I'm closest to. 103 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:21,071 He's my safe place, and, like, I need him in my life. 104 00:05:21,071 --> 00:05:24,157 The problem comes whenever a girl that he's with 105 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:26,993 has a truth that opposes mine in any way. 106 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:28,537 JULIANA: Mm-hmm. 107 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:31,331 - He acts like a little noodle, 108 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,875 and then, it's about her versus me. 109 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:35,377 I don't want it to be that same dynamic, 110 00:05:35,377 --> 00:05:37,379 'cause, like, the reality of Blake's life so far, 111 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:39,506 unless he changes his mind, is this. 112 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:40,924 - Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Sure. 113 00:05:40,924 --> 00:05:44,344 That's, like--I got-- I got to know him that way, 114 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,514 so I didn't expect something different. 115 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:50,725 I really want to work 116 00:05:50,725 --> 00:05:52,477 where I feel like I have purpose 117 00:05:52,477 --> 00:05:54,479 and can do something, 118 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:58,984 and having this community place pretty much is what I want. 119 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:03,613 I would--it would be the optimal thing to live in, 120 00:06:03,613 --> 00:06:07,534 and I am, like, open to experience it and find out. 121 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:12,914 TEAL: We're terrified. 122 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:14,374 - About? 123 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:15,458 TEAL: Getting attached to a new person 124 00:06:15,458 --> 00:06:17,836 and having it go south again. 125 00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:21,256 And community with us means a lot of-- 126 00:06:21,256 --> 00:06:22,841 a lot of intense things. 127 00:06:22,841 --> 00:06:27,971 - We've had community members turn/leave, 128 00:06:27,971 --> 00:06:29,973 because people aren't expecting 129 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:31,850 Teal's persona to be what it is. 130 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:33,518 TEAL: It's never like, "Oh, let's chill." 131 00:06:33,518 --> 00:06:34,978 There is no chill. 132 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:39,357 There is always weird, like, interpersonal shit going on 133 00:06:39,357 --> 00:06:40,692 and intentions. 134 00:06:45,447 --> 00:06:47,824 Do you have any questions for us about anything? 135 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:51,036 JULIANA: I don't know right now. 136 00:06:51,036 --> 00:06:52,537 TEAL: Your head's still spinning. 137 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:54,205 - No, not really spinning. 138 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:56,333 It's just, I don't know, 139 00:06:56,333 --> 00:06:59,461 maybe I have more questions later on, I guess. 140 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:04,424 Mm-hmm. 141 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:07,260 [wind chime chimes] 142 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:09,721 - [sighs] 143 00:07:09,721 --> 00:07:10,597 Hi. 144 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:12,515 JULIANA: Hi. 145 00:07:12,515 --> 00:07:14,643 How do you feel? 146 00:07:14,643 --> 00:07:15,435 - G-good. 147 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:18,396 I mean, that was-- 148 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:20,315 I mean, it's kind of intense. 149 00:07:20,315 --> 00:07:21,483 And how are you? 150 00:07:21,483 --> 00:07:22,484 JULIANA: Same. 151 00:07:22,484 --> 00:07:24,778 [laughter] 152 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:26,112 Before I came here, it was like, 153 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:28,490 okay, this is not a normal thing 154 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:29,866 where you have a partner. 155 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:31,868 I was aware that, if that works, 156 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:33,953 I have a whole family at the same time. 157 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:37,415 So if I don't get around with one of them, 158 00:07:37,415 --> 00:07:38,792 this won't work. 159 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:43,880 I feel society, in general, 160 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,424 they have, like, a totally different understanding 161 00:07:46,424 --> 00:07:48,593 from what is a family. 162 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:50,178 People should go more into 163 00:07:50,178 --> 00:07:52,055 with whom do they feel comfortable 164 00:07:52,055 --> 00:07:56,267 and where is, like, my heart tribe, my soul tribe. 165 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:58,520 Where do you really feel at home? 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,063 That's usually not the family. 167 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:07,696 Americans are a little bit crazy. 168 00:08:07,696 --> 00:08:09,364 - Yeah, we're a little bit. 169 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:11,282 - [chuckles] Just a little. 170 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:15,954 - Well, you're a little crazy too for coming out here. 171 00:08:15,954 --> 00:08:17,038 - I am. 172 00:08:20,417 --> 00:08:24,003 BLAKE: This bike path will take us all the way to the Walmart. 173 00:08:24,003 --> 00:08:26,297 [laughter] 174 00:08:26,297 --> 00:08:27,340 JULIANA: Okay. 175 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:33,138 TEAL: Juliana does not understand what we do. 176 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:38,727 She got interested, and then came for a training, 177 00:08:38,727 --> 00:08:41,354 but I don't feel like she's gotten a real taste 178 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:43,732 of what she's signing up for yet, which is scary. 179 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:51,740 SHAY: All right, ladies and gentlemen. 180 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:55,618 We have a very special guest: Teal Swan. 181 00:08:55,618 --> 00:08:57,370 So for people who don't know you, 182 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:00,707 how would you boil down your philosophy 183 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,500 and what it is you do exactly? 184 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,544 - What I essentially define myself as 185 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:05,712 is an expert in human suffering. 186 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:08,214 I want to help people get out of suffering. 187 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:11,217 SHAY: Why do people call you a cult leader, though? 188 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,511 - Because they know it's gonna scare people off me. 189 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:14,554 SHAY: That's--that's true. 190 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,473 That is a good-- that is a good way to do it. 191 00:09:16,473 --> 00:09:17,932 - [sighs] 192 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:19,768 Yeah, I like to think about cults 193 00:09:19,768 --> 00:09:22,687 as--as really having a foundation 194 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:25,690 and a system of control of people. 195 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:27,150 SHAY: Mm-hmm. 196 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:30,195 Do you think that cult leaders start out with ill intent, 197 00:09:30,195 --> 00:09:31,613 or that a lot of times-- - No. 198 00:09:31,613 --> 00:09:32,572 SHAY: Yeah. Yeah. - I don't. 199 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:33,740 But I think most people 200 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:36,576 who evolve into cult leadership 201 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,870 aren't really looking at their own shadows. 202 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:41,664 - Yeah. Oh, for sure. 203 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:42,999 And then, what are your thoughts 204 00:09:42,999 --> 00:09:45,627 on everything that the media has been saying 205 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,253 about what you do and-- 206 00:09:47,253 --> 00:09:48,922 - So, like, here's the thing: I find-- 207 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:51,257 I have been on the opposite end of the scale, 208 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,760 where people saying whatever they want to say about me 209 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,179 has done so much damage to my career. 210 00:09:56,179 --> 00:09:57,722 I think one of the biggest mistakes I ever made 211 00:09:57,722 --> 00:09:59,099 was to ignore it. 212 00:09:59,099 --> 00:10:00,683 - Mm. 213 00:10:00,683 --> 00:10:04,521 [unsettling music] 214 00:10:04,521 --> 00:10:06,731 REPORTER: Over the last year, I've been trying to figure out 215 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:10,193 who Teal really is and understand her influence. 216 00:10:10,193 --> 00:10:14,030 To her followers, she's a savior, a healer. 217 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:16,783 To her critics, she's a narcissist, 218 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,368 a dangerous cult leader. 219 00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:21,454 Whatever you feel about her at this point, she is a catalyst. 220 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:23,331 [phone buzzing] 221 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:26,709 - Hey, I'm gonna talk to the cops now, okay? 222 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:30,588 POLICE OFFICER: Hello. Is this Blake? 223 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:31,840 BLAKE: Yeah, this is him. 224 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,007 POLICE OFFICER: What you got going on? 225 00:10:33,007 --> 00:10:35,510 - Well, we have a woman 226 00:10:35,510 --> 00:10:40,640 that has sent us about 100 threatening messages. 227 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,267 POLICER OFFICER: Towards you guys? 228 00:10:42,267 --> 00:10:45,395 - Yeah, like, "You need to pay me back for my training, 229 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:46,771 "you fucking narcissist. 230 00:10:46,771 --> 00:10:48,731 "Wait till what's coming your way. 231 00:10:48,731 --> 00:10:51,818 I'll expose the shit you actually are." 232 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,236 POLICE OFFICER: Yeah. Now, you said 233 00:10:53,236 --> 00:10:56,239 there was something recently, like this week. 234 00:10:56,239 --> 00:10:59,325 - This is all this-- this is all two days ago. 235 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:00,910 POLICE OFFICER: Okay. So all right. 236 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:03,746 We'll go check on her, and thanks for calling. 237 00:11:03,746 --> 00:11:05,456 - All right. Appreciate you. 238 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:12,172 We get hate messages and threats pretty often. 239 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:13,882 "No one hates themselves but you, 240 00:11:13,882 --> 00:11:16,134 "and you are a gaslighting narcissist. 241 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:18,178 "The fact that you sit around and tell the most beautiful, 242 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:19,929 "loving souls that they hate themselves 243 00:11:19,929 --> 00:11:21,598 "then they clearly don't, 244 00:11:21,598 --> 00:11:23,516 you need to be fucking executed." 245 00:11:26,227 --> 00:11:27,395 Fuck. 246 00:11:31,274 --> 00:11:33,276 TEAL: This issue with my haters, 247 00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:36,029 it's just like this festering wound. 248 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:37,447 It is so overwhelming, 249 00:11:37,447 --> 00:11:39,949 I don't even know where to start, so... 250 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:41,910 - I feel like, especially in the spiritual field, 251 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:44,495 people have more expectations around everything. 252 00:11:44,495 --> 00:11:46,080 TEAL: Mm-hmm. You do. 253 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,582 Let's say that you're a pop star, 254 00:11:47,582 --> 00:11:50,585 and people are like, " That fucking bitch." 255 00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:52,086 Okay, you're just gonna sell a lot more albums, 256 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:53,379 'cause people don't fucking know about you, 257 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:54,547 and they don't really care if you're a bitch 258 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:56,132 if you got good music. 259 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:57,800 That's not the case for someone in my career. 260 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,178 If somebody says, "This person's dangerous," 261 00:12:00,178 --> 00:12:02,347 and I'm in the business of healing, 262 00:12:02,347 --> 00:12:04,891 that's no different than graffitiing "people die here" 263 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:06,434 on the outside of a hospital. 264 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:09,229 It prevents people from coming through the door. 265 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:13,107 I want the process I take people through around suicide 266 00:12:13,107 --> 00:12:14,359 to be something that's adopted 267 00:12:14,359 --> 00:12:16,152 in the mainstream psychology fields, 268 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:19,906 but I didn't understand 269 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:21,824 that people thought it would be possible 270 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:24,827 that entertaining the concept of suicide 271 00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:27,747 would cause people to commit suicide. 272 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,415 JULIANA: Yes. 273 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:31,542 TEAL: My reputation has been tarnished to such a degree 274 00:12:31,542 --> 00:12:32,835 I can't seem to make money 275 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:34,170 in the way that I need to make money 276 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:36,422 in order to fucking fight this stuff. 277 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:37,924 So I am, like, literally in a place where I'm like, 278 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:39,842 "Is the message that I'm only safe 279 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:41,177 if I marry a multibillionaire?" 280 00:12:41,177 --> 00:12:43,304 Is that my--this is my answer. 281 00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,604 [ominous music] 282 00:12:51,604 --> 00:12:54,565 ♪ ♪ 283 00:12:54,565 --> 00:12:57,235 I don't know why you guys are, like, so quiet. 284 00:13:02,657 --> 00:13:06,619 Do you not feel as powerless as I feel to this? 285 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:09,706 BLAKE: Absolutely. That's why I'm so silent. 286 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:10,832 - There's a powerlessness, 287 00:13:10,832 --> 00:13:13,126 but there's never a point where I give up. 288 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:14,877 I always look for more options. 289 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:28,933 We hired a private investigator 290 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:31,311 to help us to clear up the facts. 291 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:32,520 I mean, it's very clear. 292 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,981 You know, um, 293 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,275 people call her "The Suicide Catalyst," 294 00:13:37,275 --> 00:13:39,527 which is absolutely not true. 295 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,070 There is no ground, 296 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:43,322 and it's the same with the cult, you know? 297 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:46,951 People are very easily talking about a cult, 298 00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:49,662 and it's super damaging. 299 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:52,373 MOLLY: I'm going to record, if you would give me permission. 300 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:55,668 - Okay. Let me see how to do this. 301 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,920 MOLLY: And I'll adjust my camera here. 302 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,007 MATTHIAS: So my main concern, obviously, by hiring you, 303 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:03,009 is to find out the truth 304 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:05,720 and to see if there is something I'm missing, 305 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,307 or you know, what a third party actually can find out. 306 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,392 - My job is to dig through the mud 307 00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:14,062 and see if I can find any nuggets of truth in there. 308 00:14:14,062 --> 00:14:15,396 When someone would say, 309 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:17,899 "We heard these horrible things about you," 310 00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:20,485 and then you can say, "Well, here. 311 00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:23,071 "Read this. This is the truth. 312 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:24,947 "This is a third-party, independent, 313 00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:27,492 "unedited investigation 314 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:32,830 that we had no influence over the content of." 315 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:35,333 That's basically what I do. 316 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:36,626 MATTHIAS: That would definitely be helpful, 317 00:14:36,626 --> 00:14:39,253 so I know at least where we are, and you know. 318 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:42,006 - Right. Okay, all righty. MATTHIAS: You know? Yeah. 319 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,925 - I'll go have a-- I'll go have a look. 320 00:14:43,925 --> 00:14:45,259 [hangs up] 321 00:14:45,259 --> 00:14:47,595 [sighs] I'm old, okay? 322 00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:52,058 So I miss the newscasters from the '50s, you know, 323 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:54,811 where--where-- where the news organization 324 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:57,188 was not profit-driven, 325 00:14:57,188 --> 00:15:00,358 where--where you could count on it 326 00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:05,196 to have some credibility. 327 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:07,990 People don't have Rolodexes anymore, 328 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,326 and when I forget a password, they're still here. 329 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,954 [laughs] 330 00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,664 Oh, computers. 331 00:15:14,664 --> 00:15:17,625 [gentle music] 332 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,628 ♪ ♪ 333 00:15:20,628 --> 00:15:24,632 TEAL: As living beings, we are hardwired for survival. 334 00:15:24,632 --> 00:15:27,927 But as we all know, sometimes the painful conditions of life 335 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,345 can overrule that hardwiring, 336 00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:33,141 and instead, we become motivated towards death. 337 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:34,767 I want you to know that I'm going 338 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:37,812 to be talking to you today not just from the standpoint 339 00:15:37,812 --> 00:15:39,272 of a spiritual teacher 340 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:42,108 but also from the standpoint of a survivor. 341 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:43,734 And here's the thing: 342 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,445 you've been loosely, and mostly subconsciously, 343 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:48,906 toying with the idea of suicide. 344 00:15:48,906 --> 00:15:51,909 This time, what I'm going to encourage you to do 345 00:15:51,909 --> 00:15:54,954 is to consciously imagine committing suicide. 346 00:15:57,582 --> 00:16:00,084 MOLLY: I'm trying to better understand 347 00:16:00,084 --> 00:16:02,962 why professionals are very concerned 348 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:06,674 that this video is not appropriate for people at risk. 349 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:08,634 JONATHAN: So as president of the American Association 350 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,136 of Suicidology, 351 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:13,431 I get a lot of the complaints... 352 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:15,099 - Mm-hmm. JONATHAN: Saying, 353 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,977 "Visualize your suicide," to a video, 354 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:21,689 not knowing what the emotional state is 355 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:24,609 of the person on the other side who's watching it. 356 00:16:24,609 --> 00:16:27,695 That is problematic, because there's no way of knowing 357 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:30,114 if that's actually gonna work out. 358 00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:31,741 There's no quality control there, 359 00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:35,369 and I don't think that it's defensible in a public forum. 360 00:16:35,369 --> 00:16:37,371 - Was there anything about doing that video 361 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:40,124 that was scary or risky-feeling to you? 362 00:16:40,124 --> 00:16:43,669 Did you feel that that could have actually encouraged you 363 00:16:43,669 --> 00:16:44,670 to take your own life? 364 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:46,130 FOLLOWER: No. 365 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,050 She's just like, "Imagine that, and really feel into that," 366 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:50,927 so that-- why would that be scary? 367 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:55,514 I really find it important to keep videos like that up. 368 00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:58,184 FOLLOWER: You know, I had psychiatrists tell me 369 00:16:58,184 --> 00:16:59,310 that I was a doormat. 370 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:02,188 I wasn't getting any kind of compassion... 371 00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:03,940 - Whoa. FOLLOWER: Or help. 372 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:07,318 At the time, financially and with insurance, 373 00:17:07,318 --> 00:17:10,571 I couldn't always stick with the same one, you know, 374 00:17:10,571 --> 00:17:13,574 so the healthcare thing was kind of hit-and-miss. 375 00:17:13,574 --> 00:17:17,828 - They're claiming that Teal was responsible 376 00:17:17,828 --> 00:17:20,164 for Leslie's demise, and-- FOLLOWER: I know. 377 00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:22,208 [sighs] Just complete nonsense. 378 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:23,501 There's nothing I wouldn't do 379 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:25,419 to help Teal and to defend her-- 380 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:28,923 how adamant I am about her, you know, sincere. 381 00:17:28,923 --> 00:17:30,591 JONATHAN: If you're saying that three people 382 00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:33,386 out of millions of people that have interacted with Teal-- 383 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:35,596 - That we know of. JONATHAN: Yeah, that know of. 384 00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,057 You would be really hard-pressed to say, 385 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,309 "These people killed themselves because of Teal." 386 00:17:40,309 --> 00:17:42,520 - Are you aware of some of the attacks 387 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,855 that have been made against her? 388 00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:47,608 FOLLOWER: I try not to go down that rabbit hole, 389 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:52,071 because I believe she is legitimately doing a good thing 390 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,490 and trying to help people. 391 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:58,661 MOLLY: I have little patience for pejorative slingers, 392 00:17:58,661 --> 00:18:03,416 but it just seems that, if you are attractive, period, 393 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,377 it's one of the criterias for being a target. 394 00:18:06,377 --> 00:18:08,004 Do you feel that, if you left, 395 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:10,965 that someone would publicly shame you for leaving, 396 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,466 for any reason? 397 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:15,303 FOLLOWER: Are you asking if we're a cult? 398 00:18:15,303 --> 00:18:18,180 MOLLY: It's pretty hard to see, 399 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:19,849 in many of these accusations, 400 00:18:19,849 --> 00:18:22,727 being able to stick when you start talking to these folks. 401 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:25,146 [applause] 402 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:29,734 When you have somebody who has a lot of followers 403 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:32,445 and somebody wants to pick a bone with them, 404 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:34,155 you just throw the word "cult" at them, 405 00:18:34,155 --> 00:18:36,324 and suddenly, 406 00:18:36,324 --> 00:18:40,119 unfortunately, in many circles, it sticks. 407 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,873 But I'm going to find the truth. 408 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:45,249 As I see it. 409 00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:53,215 [gentle chimes] 410 00:18:53,215 --> 00:18:56,344 BLAKE: I was doing this workshop. 411 00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:05,227 One of my CP participants came up to me. 412 00:19:08,022 --> 00:19:09,732 She was beautiful. 413 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:18,366 We hung out at the hot springs, and.. 414 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:24,246 I floated you around in the water. 415 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:26,332 [chuckles] 416 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:29,919 We were in the office, and I gave you a massage, 417 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:34,757 maybe crossing the boundaries of the practitioner/client. 418 00:19:34,757 --> 00:19:37,635 [laughter] 419 00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:43,557 And eight months later, she moved to Utah. 420 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:48,104 How lucky am I? 421 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,650 Whoo-hoo! 422 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:55,611 [laughter] 423 00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:57,405 FOLLOWER: Aah! FOLLOWER: Let go. Let go. 424 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,283 Wow. 425 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:02,326 BLAKE: Juliana's the first person 426 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,203 I've ever been committed to. 427 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,330 [indistinct chatter] 428 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:10,042 We're compatible in tons of ways, 429 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:14,171 and I hope that she fits in with everyone. 430 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:17,133 [tense music] 431 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:22,930 ♪ ♪ 432 00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:25,099 Wow. 433 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:28,227 That's fun. 434 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:34,900 TEAL: Juliana is like this raw stone, 435 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,902 and so, there are all these edges. 436 00:20:39,155 --> 00:20:41,282 And now, it's Blake's aura color. 437 00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:42,533 FOLLOWER: Is it? - Mm-hmm. 438 00:20:42,533 --> 00:20:44,618 FOLLOWER: This is really good. 439 00:20:44,618 --> 00:20:46,412 TEAL: And based off of what happens, 440 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:47,663 that person either smooths out, 441 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,623 and so, it becomes this frictionless relationship... 442 00:20:49,623 --> 00:20:52,585 BLAKE: Oh, my God. That's so refreshing. 443 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:55,713 TEAL: Or it becomes a problem. 444 00:20:59,884 --> 00:21:03,763 We haven't had time to do enough with her 445 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:07,892 so that we're polished stones up against each other. 446 00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:10,811 [low chimes] 447 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:35,586 I want you to sense or feel this bubble, 448 00:21:35,586 --> 00:21:37,922 separating you from the rest of the world. 449 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:47,807 Now imagine, sense, or feel the prison of this bubble, 450 00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:51,018 the way it keeps you isolated and lonely. 451 00:21:52,478 --> 00:21:55,272 And with this bubble burst, 452 00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,441 I want you to sense or feel 453 00:21:57,441 --> 00:22:01,362 what this loneliness that lives inside you may need. 454 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,283 Feel it filling that space up from the inside. 455 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:13,082 [fly buzzing] 456 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:24,510 I want you to build that sensation of companionship 457 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:28,514 wider and wider 458 00:22:28,514 --> 00:22:32,101 until it fills up your entire being. 459 00:22:40,943 --> 00:22:42,444 AMIR: I like checking things out, 460 00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:44,405 so I go to a lot of different spiritual stuff. 461 00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:46,824 And I got here, and my mind was blown. 462 00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:51,287 This is so over my head, 463 00:22:51,287 --> 00:22:55,666 but I guess I want to be a part of something. 464 00:22:55,666 --> 00:22:57,042 I want to be a part of something, 465 00:22:57,042 --> 00:23:00,421 and I haven't found that, so I'll keep looking. 466 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:03,299 The level of struggle and-- 467 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:05,676 is--is, uh-- 468 00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:07,469 I need--I need-- I need help. 469 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:08,679 [laughter] I need help. 470 00:23:08,679 --> 00:23:10,639 - We all need help. AMIR: I need help, yeah. 471 00:23:14,184 --> 00:23:15,060 - What's that? 472 00:23:17,479 --> 00:23:18,939 - Wow, because when I came last year, 473 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,442 I thought it was a cult, you know? 474 00:23:21,442 --> 00:23:22,651 Really. Full-blown. 475 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:23,652 I said that to you before, right? 476 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:25,404 - Yeah. AMIR: Yeah. 477 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:26,614 I need more love in my life, 478 00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:27,406 and I don't know how it's gonna look, 479 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,158 but I need help, so I'm just run-- 480 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,702 I'm just looking for someone to help me. 481 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:44,673 - What do you need from me in order to feel resolve? 482 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,470 AMIR: I haven't had closeness in a long time. 483 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:50,804 I'm wired to have a lot of affection, 484 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:55,434 and so, I'm looking for more closeness. 485 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,853 - You've got aspects of your life that aren't going well, 486 00:23:57,853 --> 00:24:01,565 especially relative to people, right? 487 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:02,441 And-- - I don't know. 488 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:04,360 I don't know! For real. 489 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,362 In a way, it's going great. 490 00:24:06,362 --> 00:24:07,488 I don't know what this is. 491 00:24:07,488 --> 00:24:12,368 I do think God is, and--and I'm glad. 492 00:24:12,368 --> 00:24:13,786 I was suicidal for a long time, 493 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:17,206 so I'm glad I-- I'm glad it's there. 494 00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:19,416 - Do you know what it's like talking to you? 495 00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:22,419 There's no cohesive thought. 496 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:26,131 - No cohesive thought? - No cohesive thought. 497 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,883 - That's so interesting. 498 00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:30,594 I think I'm doing--I think-- I think everything's great, 499 00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:32,388 and I'm doing a good job, and-- 500 00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:33,931 - Why the fuck do you think the universe would put you 501 00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:36,558 in front of me if everything's fine? 502 00:24:36,558 --> 00:24:38,060 AMIR: I mean, I don't know, Teal. 503 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,687 - No, I mean, really. Answer the question. 504 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:41,689 - No, I don't--I don't-- I don't know. 505 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:43,524 I--I don't know. 506 00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:45,943 I could just have a crush on you. 507 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:49,530 It--it could just--it really just could be a sexual thing 508 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:50,990 that I've just taken too far, 509 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:54,159 and it's okay, and that's why I'm here. 510 00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:56,870 - If the only reason you're here 511 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:58,539 is because of a sexual, like, thing, 512 00:24:58,539 --> 00:24:59,665 that's a problem for me. 513 00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,542 - Right. Right, right, right. 514 00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:04,128 Right, right, right, right. 515 00:25:04,128 --> 00:25:07,589 TEAL: I hate this field, I swear to God. 516 00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:09,216 I fucking hate the spiritual field. 517 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:13,470 I'm super angry. 518 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:14,638 Hi, Blake. 519 00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,849 I'm sitting here in process with Amir. 520 00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:19,351 It was real fun when, in the middle of our session, 521 00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,103 he looks at me and says, "I'm afraid if you see 522 00:25:21,103 --> 00:25:23,981 all these parts of myself, you won't want to fuck me," 523 00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:25,149 so yeah. 524 00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:26,650 That was fun. BLAKE: Wow. 525 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,277 - You know, "The only reason I'm here is because 526 00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:30,029 of, you know, being sexually attracted to you," 527 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:31,989 and it's the same fucking bullshit. 528 00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:33,991 It's like I use my sexuality 529 00:25:33,991 --> 00:25:37,411 kind of like in this demonic way to attract people. 530 00:25:37,411 --> 00:25:40,622 I would love it if you would talk to him, 531 00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:41,957 'cause this is fucked. 532 00:25:41,957 --> 00:25:42,833 [hangs up] 533 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:49,548 That was not fun. 534 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,133 It's the kind of thing where you've got somebody 535 00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:54,970 who's, like, really not got anything going in their life, 536 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:57,139 you know? 537 00:25:57,139 --> 00:25:59,808 - Is there any chance to help him in any way? 538 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:00,851 - It's just like, you gotta know. 539 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:03,479 It's like a red zone case. 540 00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:05,606 He needs so much, 541 00:26:05,606 --> 00:26:08,859 and he will rip the shit out of any member of our team 542 00:26:08,859 --> 00:26:10,110 who works with him. 543 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,494 TEAL: So have you come more clear 544 00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:20,579 on something you want to see? 545 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:23,832 AMIR: Um... 546 00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:27,086 I think a lot about my mom. 547 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,839 She's been coming in my dreams recently. 548 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,758 She--she-- before she took her life, 549 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:36,804 she attempted five times over the prior seven years. 550 00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:39,556 My dad couldn't understand that it was a suicide attempt. 551 00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:41,183 He was in that much denial. 552 00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:42,851 I went to an AA meeting. It was 4:00 p. m. 553 00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:44,895 I left Queens, went to New York City, 554 00:26:44,895 --> 00:26:47,815 and my dad called and was like, "She's gone." 555 00:26:47,815 --> 00:26:51,735 [shakily] And I went up to see her body. 556 00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:53,153 She was split. 557 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:57,157 Her leg was perpendicular, um, 558 00:26:57,157 --> 00:26:58,826 and she looked so peaceful. 559 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:00,828 [inhales deeply] 560 00:27:00,828 --> 00:27:03,705 [sobbing] 561 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:07,793 That seems unfair. Um... 562 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:12,714 - Yeah, yeah. I would love to. 563 00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:14,299 I'd love to see her. 564 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:17,678 [sobbing continues] 565 00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:22,641 - Okay. 566 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,644 [ominous music] 567 00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:32,651 ♪ ♪ 568 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:38,073 What we're going to be doing is what I call channeling. 569 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:42,244 You're using your body as a vessel for a specific energy. 570 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,122 You can do it with people that are living. 571 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:46,790 You can do it with people that are dead. 572 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:49,001 You can do it with anything. 573 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:50,669 So if I bring in your dead mother, 574 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:52,045 that's actually your dead mother, you guys. 575 00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:54,715 I'm working literally with her thought form. 576 00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:57,301 It's an incredibly dangerous process. 577 00:27:57,301 --> 00:27:59,678 It's also one of the most powerful tools 578 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,179 that has ever existed. 579 00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:06,602 Juliana, I deliberately want to stretch you in with this. 580 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:09,688 I think it's a good idea. 581 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:12,441 JULIANA: I kind of, like, knew that when I come here, 582 00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,943 that it's not just about establishing a relationship 583 00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:16,194 with Blake. 584 00:28:19,281 --> 00:28:22,701 I also need to have a good relationship with Teal, 585 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,997 so coming here was also committing to her. 586 00:28:26,997 --> 00:28:29,374 I want to make it work. 587 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:34,338 TEAL: Come here. 588 00:28:34,338 --> 00:28:35,672 So ask her to-- 589 00:28:35,672 --> 00:28:38,425 ask her if she will choose with her free will to guide you, 590 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,135 and then you have to say your mother's full name. 591 00:28:40,135 --> 00:28:41,386 AMIR: Do you, with your free will, 592 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,806 choose the consciousness of Talit Bajua? 593 00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:54,566 AMIR: I just want to spend some time with you, Mom. 594 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:07,245 - [sniffles] You are, Mom. 595 00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:18,882 - Do you feel like you're stuck anywhere, 596 00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:19,841 or do you-- 597 00:29:19,841 --> 00:29:21,259 - Where are you stuck? 598 00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:35,440 TEAL: She hasn't completely crossed. 599 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,316 - [sobbing] 600 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,029 TEAL: Yeah. AMIR: Yeah? 601 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:43,615 TEAL: Yeah. The thing is, you're not responsible anymore. 602 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:46,785 - [sobbing] 603 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:47,995 TEAL: You can let go. 604 00:29:47,995 --> 00:29:50,914 JULIANA: No, I can't do that. 605 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,374 - Do you see this? 606 00:29:52,374 --> 00:29:54,626 From where you are, you can't do anything anymore 607 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:55,711 to help either of them. 608 00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:00,424 AMIR: No. It's okay, Mom. I love you so much. 609 00:30:00,424 --> 00:30:03,135 - Amir, just think about whether there's anything 610 00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:07,431 you feel like you need to say that will release her. 611 00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:20,110 - I forgive you, Mom. I forgive you. 612 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:21,903 JULIANA: I cannot do it. 613 00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:23,071 AMIR: I want you to let go 614 00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,657 of the responsibility you feel, Mom. 615 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:28,785 You've helped me so much since you passed away. 616 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:33,790 I accept-- I accept my life. 617 00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:36,877 I want you to know I like my life. 618 00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:40,756 I struggle a lot, but I like my life. 619 00:30:40,756 --> 00:30:43,633 [Juliana sobbing] 620 00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:47,554 TEAL: Now, you can tell her. 621 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:52,517 - Mom, you can go. 622 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:53,560 You can go. 623 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:11,536 - Okay. 624 00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:42,901 JULIANA: That was so intense. 625 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:47,364 It was also surprising to me that I was that energized. 626 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:51,827 And I wasn't aware that I'm that good in doing that. 627 00:31:51,827 --> 00:31:52,994 TEAL: You were really good. 628 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:54,037 JULIANA: I wasn't aware of that, 629 00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:56,623 so I was surprised. 630 00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:59,251 Really surprised. 631 00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:01,503 TEAL: Like, I feel like you're better at this with me 632 00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:04,673 than people who have been on my team for years. 633 00:32:07,551 --> 00:32:08,844 JULIANA: Wow. 634 00:32:08,844 --> 00:32:11,138 [fire crackling] 635 00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:14,349 [gentle music] 636 00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:21,106 ♪ ♪ 637 00:32:21,106 --> 00:32:22,899 I feel at home. 638 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,571 It's a totally different home, but I feel at home. 639 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:35,787 Teal is like a big sister to me. 640 00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:39,875 She's changed my mind completely 641 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:41,710 how you can approach healing. 642 00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:47,090 TEAL: I like to think of those of you who are standing here 643 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:49,134 as my little army. 644 00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:50,468 I see you all as the people 645 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,263 who are going to be the change in this world 646 00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:55,974 instead of the people who simply look at this world 647 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,935 as if it has to change. 648 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,312 I want to personally thank you 649 00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:03,023 for the level of bravery it took to come here 650 00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:04,232 and especially for your bravery 651 00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:06,693 to be connected when the whole world is disconnecting. 652 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:13,533 Freedom is in the reclaiming of self 653 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:16,912 and the turning of life's cyanide into honey. 654 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:33,094 [funky music] 655 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:40,268 ♪ ♪ 656 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:51,404 BLAKE: It has, like, nothing to do with-- 657 00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,740 FOLLOWER: Yeah, that's so random. 658 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:54,908 It would be these two. 659 00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:56,117 JULIANA: Okay. 660 00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:57,661 FOLLOWER: You guys. You guys. 661 00:33:57,661 --> 00:33:58,995 BLAKE: They don't know how to play this game. 662 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:01,039 We're just gonna have to roll with it. 663 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,165 All right. Do I read it? 664 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,625 JULIANA: Mm-hmm. 665 00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:07,045 - And you're putting the one that you think I would choose? 666 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,046 - Mm-hmm. 667 00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,051 BLAKE: I didn't know if Juliana 668 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,928 would fit well into the community. 669 00:34:14,928 --> 00:34:16,388 FOLLOWER: You win the card. FOLLOWER: You win. Yeah. 670 00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:19,891 - "Alternative medicine is now embracing 671 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:22,143 the curative powers of..." 672 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:25,438 "My balls on your face." 673 00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:30,151 "Of looking in the mirror, applying lipstick, 674 00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:33,154 and whispering, "Tonight, you will have sex with Tom Cruise." 675 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:35,532 That could be very healing. 676 00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:37,325 [laughter] 677 00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:39,703 To make this work, 678 00:34:39,703 --> 00:34:43,832 you have to choose Teal's mission to be your mission. 679 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:47,669 - Oh, probably this one. That was pretty funny. 680 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,129 [laughter] 681 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:52,716 BLAKE: She fits in with everyone. 682 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:56,219 I never could have imagined what my life has become. 683 00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:02,350 I just feel good about everything in a way. 684 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:19,326 MOLLY: At what point in Teal's career 685 00:35:19,326 --> 00:35:22,120 did you enter the picture? 686 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,790 JARED: I first met Teal in 2012. 687 00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:27,292 I was already having a hard time in life. 688 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:28,710 I had just gotten divorced 689 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:31,379 and went on this, like, spiritual journey, 690 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:32,380 trying to find myself. 691 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:33,423 MOLLY: Uh-huh. 692 00:35:33,423 --> 00:35:35,133 - She always came off as, like, 693 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:37,510 "There's so much that you are going to learn. 694 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:39,346 "There's so much that I have to teach you. 695 00:35:39,346 --> 00:35:41,931 "Like, don't throw spirituality away 696 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:43,433 "just because you're leaving Mormonism. 697 00:35:43,433 --> 00:35:45,018 There's so much more." 698 00:35:45,018 --> 00:35:47,520 She's trying to help make a better world. 699 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,189 I want to make the better world, 700 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:52,067 and so, I told her, "Hey, I want to do this. 701 00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,694 Hell or high water, I'm gonna make your vision a reality." 702 00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:56,821 I helped her with the website, 703 00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:58,365 I moved in with her. 704 00:35:58,365 --> 00:36:00,367 MOLLY: Right. Okay, so then you get involved. 705 00:36:00,367 --> 00:36:03,453 What was she actually selling at that point? 706 00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:07,165 - Frequency paintings that had the power to heal people. 707 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,166 MOLLY: Okay. 708 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,210 Did they? 709 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:11,670 - Well, I was staring 710 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,006 at several that I bought in my room for several years, 711 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,174 and they did not work. 712 00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:17,300 MOLLY: Okay. 713 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,012 Were you paid anything for your services? 714 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:22,263 Were you... 715 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:23,473 - Um... MOLLY: Salaried, or-- 716 00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:26,685 - I mean, I was given room and board. 717 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:29,229 MOLLY: All right. - Yeah. 718 00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,398 MOLLY: Interesting. 719 00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:34,275 Have you ever heard of anybody 720 00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:36,236 choosing to no longer participate 721 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:38,446 being ostracized in any way? 722 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:42,242 - I mean, like, my exit wasn't very nice. 723 00:36:42,242 --> 00:36:46,955 The moment the TV camera would go off, 724 00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:50,375 the moment she would go behind closed door at a conference, 725 00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,753 any of that, it just unleashed. 726 00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:56,214 The last thing--I think the last thing she told me 727 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:57,298 as I'm, like, leaving, 728 00:36:57,298 --> 00:36:59,092 and everyone's, like, ganged up on me, 729 00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:04,305 she said, "If I were you, I would just go kill myself, 730 00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:07,142 'cause there's no hope for you." 731 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,478 - Well... 732 00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:13,857 Whoo, that's a lot. 733 00:37:13,857 --> 00:37:16,818 - Oh, it gets a lot more interesting, Molly. 734 00:37:16,818 --> 00:37:18,236 [laughs] 735 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,738 - [sighs] 736 00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:25,034 JARED: I wanted this so badly. 737 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:27,328 I was so washed. 738 00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:28,371 And, like, when I say I was washed, 739 00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:30,290 she, like, would constantly ask us, 740 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:33,334 like, "You're gonna leave me. You're gonna leave me, Jared. 741 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:35,003 You're gonna give up on all this." 742 00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:36,755 And I'm like, "No, I'm not. No, I won't. I'll do anything." 743 00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:39,299 She's like, "What are you willing to do for this cause?" 744 00:37:39,299 --> 00:37:43,303 And I told her I'd be willing to kill someone 745 00:37:43,303 --> 00:37:45,305 and bury them in the backyard. 746 00:37:49,851 --> 00:37:51,060 [sighs] 747 00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:57,442 MOLLY: It feels like a burden, 748 00:37:57,442 --> 00:38:00,403 that I've found some of this stuff out, 749 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:04,783 because now, I'm responsible for including it 750 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:08,203 and being honest about what I found. 751 00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:12,874 It's the Pandora's box you wish you'd left closed, you know, 752 00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:14,959 but now that it's here, it's here. 753 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:21,925 TEAL: Blake, I need to know 754 00:38:21,925 --> 00:38:23,259 where you guys are on everything. 755 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:24,469 I need to know what you're thinking. 756 00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:25,887 I don't feel like we're on the same page. 757 00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:27,764 Obviously, we haven't spent enough time together. 758 00:38:27,764 --> 00:38:29,891 - I know. It's been weeks, 759 00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:31,684 and she's only been here for weeks. 760 00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:35,438 [laughs] It's one month yesterday. 761 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,028 I'm thinking of asking 762 00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:46,366 for her to marry me in two weeks. 763 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:50,161 - Okay. Well, thank you for telling me. 764 00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:51,621 What are you thinking? 765 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:54,541 - Well, I don't know. I mean, just-- 766 00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:55,959 TEAL: Well, do you think she's on the same page? 767 00:38:55,959 --> 00:38:57,210 Have you guys talked about this? 768 00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:58,461 - A little bit. Yeah. TEAL: Well, come on. 769 00:38:58,461 --> 00:38:59,921 What have you guys said? Like-- 770 00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:04,008 BLAKE: We've just been, like, just planning stuff. 771 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:05,301 Yeah. 772 00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:08,555 - Two-week proposal leaves you zero room for rings, Blake. 773 00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:10,390 What are you doing? 774 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:12,559 - Well, that's-- I'll get a wedding ring. 775 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:13,601 TEAL: Do you want help with that? 776 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,311 BLAKE: Yeah. - Okay. 777 00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:16,813 [Blake chuckles] 778 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:22,360 How do you feel about the ending of the saga 779 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,989 of the romantic feelings towards me? 780 00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:28,575 BLAKE: Ending of that saga? TEAL: Mm-hmm. 781 00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:31,452 - I mean, I still think you're sexy as hell. 782 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,454 [Teal snorts] 783 00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:35,707 BLAKE: You know. - Thank you. 784 00:39:35,707 --> 00:39:40,253 She doesn't react when you touch me, so... 785 00:39:40,253 --> 00:39:43,047 - Well, she doesn't. TEAL: I've been watching her. 786 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:44,048 Has she said anything? 787 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:45,842 - Well, there has been no conversation 788 00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:48,261 about my romantic feelings towards you. 789 00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:49,888 - Good. There shouldn't be. 790 00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:51,848 She doesn't react. I've been watching her. 791 00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:53,641 BLAKE: Mm-hmm. - It's a good thing. 792 00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:56,728 - Yeah. You know. 793 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,147 - I love this. BLAKE: I know. Me too. 794 00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:01,107 - She sounds super compatible, Blake. 795 00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:03,401 - Yeah. 796 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,194 Wow. 797 00:40:11,326 --> 00:40:12,911 TEAL: Good, Blake. 798 00:40:15,955 --> 00:40:18,917 [gentle music] 799 00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:24,255 ♪ ♪ 800 00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:28,801 SINGER: ♪ True love will find you in the end ♪ 801 00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:32,221 ♪ ♪ 802 00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:36,434 ♪ You'll find out just who was your friend ♪ 803 00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,480 ♪ ♪ 804 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,651 ♪ Don't be sad, I know you will ♪ 805 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:48,363 ♪ ♪ 806 00:40:48,363 --> 00:40:49,948 ♪ But don't give up ♪ 807 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:54,577 ♪ Until true love finds you ♪ 808 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,579 ♪ In the end ♪ 809 00:40:56,579 --> 00:41:03,086 ♪ ♪ 810 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:05,463 - [giggles] 811 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:12,387 ♪ ♪ 812 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:21,604 TEAL: It's like an offering. 813 00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:24,232 These amplify and magnify everything. 814 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,948 [fireworks whistling] 815 00:41:31,948 --> 00:41:34,784 OFFICIANT: Marriage requires a lot of forgiveness. 816 00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:36,828 It requires respecting the other person, 817 00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:38,663 even when you disagree with them. 818 00:41:38,663 --> 00:41:40,623 And it requires the maturity 819 00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:42,333 to put someone else before yourself 820 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:45,545 but not so much that you forget who you are as an individual. 821 00:41:45,545 --> 00:41:47,463 From this moment on, nothing in your life 822 00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,632 is to take priority over the comfort and well-being 823 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:52,051 of the person that you're holding hands with right now. 824 00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:55,555 SINGER: ♪ Don't be sad, I know you will ♪ 825 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:59,684 ♪ ♪ 826 00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:01,602 ♪ But don't give up ♪ 827 00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:06,149 ♪ Until true love finds you ♪ 828 00:42:06,149 --> 00:42:08,109 ♪ In the end ♪ 829 00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:11,070 ♪ ♪ 830 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:15,950 ♪ True love will find you in the end ♪ 831 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:22,832 ♪ ♪ 832 00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:43,352 - I was given a list of the things 833 00:42:43,352 --> 00:42:47,523 that people had to agree to to be part of this inner circle. 834 00:42:49,776 --> 00:42:52,278 - That most of it is illegal. 835 00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,739 TEAL: A normal life is not compatible 836 00:42:54,739 --> 00:42:56,074 with the life that we are leading. 837 00:42:56,074 --> 00:42:57,700 FOLLOWER: I didn't come here to keep learning, 838 00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:58,910 and learning, and learning, and... 839 00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:00,328 TEAL: You want to know the reality? 840 00:43:00,328 --> 00:43:01,871 If people don't start doing this kind of work 841 00:43:01,871 --> 00:43:03,581 on themselves-- headed off a cliff. 842 00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:06,876 - I don't feel like we can force them. 843 00:43:06,876 --> 00:43:09,420 - You literally just crossed the line. 844 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:10,254 Now, we have problems. 845 00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:20,098 [tense music] 846 00:43:20,098 --> 00:43:27,063 ♪ ♪ 61744

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