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Jean speaking French...
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Sophie speaking French...
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Jean speaking French...
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Sophie speaking French...
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Jean speaking French...
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Okay.
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I know you've been reluctant
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to speak on camera about
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your relationship
with Michael until now.
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So thank you.
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Of course.
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How long
have you been together?
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Hm... 12 years.
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Right after the trial ended.
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How did you meet?
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Well...
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Hm...
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C-Can we start with
something else?
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Okay, let's start with today.
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Do you think today is proof
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that the justice system works?
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It's hard to say.
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What is justice?
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I've said from day one
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that it can only be one thing.
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Speaking French...
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This is Sonya
Pfeiffer for ABC 11 News.
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It's been a long and winding
journey, but we're here.
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Day one of
the Michael Peterson trial.
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A year and a...
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A trial's simply two sides
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competing to tell
a better story.
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We're gonna contend to you
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that after a vicious argument
with his wife,
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Michael Peterson
murdered Kathleen
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in cold blood,
beating her in the head...
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with this.
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And where is this
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elusive murder weapon?
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They can't find it
because it doesn't exist.
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The fact of the matter is,
Kathleen had some wine,
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some champagne,
and some Valium
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and fell.
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And 12 jurors declare
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one of the stories the winne.
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And that story
becomes justice.
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And what sort of
sexual activities
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would you perform for men
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that you might
have been prepared
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to perform
with Michael Peterson?
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I mean, pretty much
anything under the sun.
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I mean, pretty much
anything under the sun.
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Is it fair to say
the men you serviced
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were bisexual as opposed
to being homosexual?
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I'd go so far
as to say that they were
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mostly straight married guys
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with some minor
homosexual tendencies.
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Can you identify state's
exhibit 72 for me, please?
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Yes, that is my... blow poke.
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You blow through it.
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And you gave one of these blow pokes
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to every member
of your family?
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Yes.
For Christmas of 1984.
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Including Kathleen?
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Yes. She was not only
my older sister,
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but she was my best friend.
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You did state to police
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the only relationship you saw
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between Michael and Kathleen
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was a "truly loving,
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respectful marriage."
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Right?
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That was
an old version of me.
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The new informed me,
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the me sitting here
in this courtroom,
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can confidently say
that I have no idea
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who the hell
Michael Peterson was then
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or is now.
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Does that clear it up for yo?
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Justice is a, is a construct
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little more than a game,
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a game that shapes
the outcome of a man's life.
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As for what's
happening today,
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this feels
bigger than justice.
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I would say, um, it's fate.
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You've got cast-off
outside the header
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and on the west wall
of the hallway.
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How could that happen?
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The assailant was standing
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on the outside
of the stairwell,
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swingin' the weapon...
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and creating this
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blood cast-off pattern.
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So to be clear, in your opinion,
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this had to have been a beating?
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That's correct.
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The impact spatter
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on the inside
of the defendant's shorts
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simply does not occur
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unless he's standing
over her as he strikes.
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And that's consistent
with crime scenes
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you've overseen in the past?
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This is extremely consistent.
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And why should we trust you?
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Well, sir, I've written
over 200 bloodstain reports
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and overseen... 500 scenes.
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That guy looks like a penis.
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No further questions, Your Honor.
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You may be dismissed.
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- Let's take a 10-minute recess.
- Jesus.
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It looks bad on TV, dude.
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What do I keep telling you?
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Do not watch that shit.
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Yeah, but the commentators
are saying...
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Hey, listen to what I am saying.
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I am sitting here
where it's real.
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We gotta get going.
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Things are going great. Okay?
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When Radisch takes the stand,
things are gonna go our way.
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Yeah, look, I... I just really
feel like I should be there.
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Clay, hold on.
Hold on one second.
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Alright.
I'm headed back to Reno.
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I'll see you in
a week and a half.
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Todd!
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Todd.
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So... tomorrow is huge.
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They're going big,
showing these autopsy photos.
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So we really need
everyone there.
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Arm-in-arm. United front.
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I can't go. I'm sorry. I can't.
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Okay, I hear that. I do.
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And no one's going to force you.
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Of course,
you're going to force me.
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That's what
this meeting is about.
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I mean,
would anyone really notice
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if she wasn't there?
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Um, I mean, maybe
10, 15 years ago, no.
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But, you know, now there's...
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cameras everywhere.
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Everyone sees everything.
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So...
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if you're absent
and Caitlin is there...
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Optics aren't great.
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I mean, Clayton's
been asking to come home.
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- You know, maybe he should...
- No, no, no.
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No, not for this.
Just keep pushing him off.
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Okay.
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Well, maybe Martha could take
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one of Kathleen's Valium,
you know.
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- Or just a half.
- No. No! I'm not going to go.
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I'm not going. I'm not
going to sit there and watch.
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I'm not going to do it.
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I'm sorry, I'm not.
I'm not going.
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I'm not going.
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State your name and profession
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for the court, please.
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My name is
Dr. Deborah L. Radisch.
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I'm a forensic pathologist
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and the associate
chief medical examiner
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for the state of North Carolina.
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And you performed the autopsy
on Kathleen Peterson?
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That is correct.
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If it pleases the court,
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I'd like to display
exhibit 79a and 79b,
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in a large format
for easy viewing.
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These images are... graphic.
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Proceed.
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I think I'm going
to have a panic attack.
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Yeah...
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- Can't we object?
- Shh.
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- David, stop her...
- Not now.
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Dr. Radisch,
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you ruled Kathleen's death
a homicide.
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I did.
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From blunt force trauma
to the head.
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You think
the fractured cartilage
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in Kathleen's thyroid indicates
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that a strangulation attempt
is merely possible?
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It's more than possible.
It's probable.
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But your report said
it was only,
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what, suggestive of
a strangulation attempt?
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I would say it was
highly, highly likely
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an attempt
at strangulation was made.
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But can you say that
with a reasonable degree
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of medical certainty?
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Yes. Yes, I can.
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Okay. Then would you say
with a reasonable degree
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of medical certainty that
Kathleen Peterson was killed
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by blunt force trauma
to the head?
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Yes.
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- Okay. May I approach?
- Yes.
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I just want to put
these binders up here.
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- Ms. Radisch.
- Dr. Radisch.
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Forgive me, Dr. Radisch.
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Um, I want you to tell me
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if, um, these appear
to be a collection
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of all the autopsies
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involving blunt force trauma
to the head in North Carolina
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from 1991 to 2003.
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Objection.
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Overruled.
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She may respond
however she'd like.
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I don't think I can give you
an accurate answer to that.
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- Not today.
- Lright.
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Alright. Well, we went back
at least a decade
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and pulled the case files
for every beating death
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in the state of North Carolina.
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Two hundred fifty-seven,
to be precise,
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and found that in every case,
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whether the object was hollow
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or hard
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or thin or heavy,
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every single time,
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the beating resulted
in either a skull fracture
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or massive injury to the brain.
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In many cases, it was both.
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Are you aware of this?
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No. Because like I said,
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I haven't had a chance
to review these...
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Alright.
Well, let's, let's just assume
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for right now that it's true...
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which it is.
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Kathleen Peterson didn't have
any skull fracture, did she?
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She didn't, but she
did have a multitude...
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- Doctor...
- ...of facial injuries
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- and broken cartilage.
- These...
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These are
yes-or-no questions, Doctor.
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Was there skull fracturing?
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No, there wasn't.
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She also didn't
have any broken bones.
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- No.
- Or contusions on the brain.
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No, she did not.
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Or edema, did she?
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No.
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Given that
some combination of these
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was found in literally
every one of these cases...
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is it possible in order
to reach the conclusion
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that Kathleen Peterson's
death was...
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a homicide...
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that you were coached
by the DA?
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Objection.
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Withdrawn.
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Nothing further,
Your Honor.
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You may be dismissed.
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Did I ever tell you about the
first time I heard classical music?
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My parents and I were,
uh, we're driving back
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from a Little League game
and, um...
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I was upset about something.
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I guess we must have lost.
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And, uh...
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we were listening
to, uh, to Armed Forces Radio,
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which was, you know,
it was the only,
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only station we could get
growing up near Dad's base.
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And as we were pulling up
to the house,
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a sweet little place,
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this came on.
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Mahler's Fifth.
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First Movement.
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My dad went to turn it off,
and I grabbed his hand.
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I said, "Stop. No."
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It was the most fabulous thing
I'd ever heard.
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Now, Dad didn't listen.
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He just flipped it off,
went inside.
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He never liked to be
too far from his bourbon.
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But my dear mother,
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she turned the radio back on,
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00:14:04,032 --> 00:14:06,048
and she stayed
in the car with me.
268
00:14:07,577 --> 00:14:08,884
And we listened.
269
00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:15,974
And the music...
270
00:14:19,339 --> 00:14:20,714
washed over me.
271
00:14:20,798 --> 00:14:23,649
Just... it overwhelmed me.
272
00:14:25,553 --> 00:14:28,111
And I was...
273
00:14:29,098 --> 00:14:30,614
hooked.
274
00:14:31,351 --> 00:14:35,604
Just so much emotion,
275
00:14:35,688 --> 00:14:38,205
so much drama, so much truth.
276
00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,778
All without saying
a single word.
277
00:14:50,453 --> 00:14:52,928
David won't let me talk,
so I take it out on you.
278
00:14:53,581 --> 00:14:55,207
I don't know how
you're gonna get all my
279
00:14:55,291 --> 00:14:58,669
rambling into one film.
280
00:14:58,753 --> 00:15:01,311
Our editor is suggesting
we make it longer, actually.
281
00:15:01,964 --> 00:15:05,426
TV series.
Maybe six or eight episodes.
282
00:15:05,510 --> 00:15:07,011
Really?
283
00:15:07,095 --> 00:15:08,846
Oh. This is the part.
284
00:15:28,074 --> 00:15:29,834
The facts
of the case suggest truth
285
00:15:30,081 --> 00:15:31,909
is indeed stranger than fiction.
286
00:15:32,386 --> 00:15:34,465
A second woman,
Elizabeth Ratliff,
287
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:36,582
mother to Martha
and Margaret Ratliff,
288
00:15:36,666 --> 00:15:38,959
was found dead
at the bottom of the stairs
289
00:15:39,043 --> 00:15:41,378
20 years ago in Germany.
290
00:15:41,462 --> 00:15:43,082
The coffin will leave
its Texan home
291
00:15:43,167 --> 00:15:45,043
and begin a 1,200-mile journey
292
00:15:45,128 --> 00:15:47,259
across middle America
to North Carolina,
293
00:15:47,343 --> 00:15:48,802
where an autopsy
will be performed
294
00:15:48,886 --> 00:15:51,082
by medical examiner
Deborah L. Radisch.
295
00:15:53,057 --> 00:15:54,763
Do you believe
in objectivity?
296
00:15:55,351 --> 00:15:56,727
No.
297
00:15:56,811 --> 00:15:59,146
The only way to get close
to objectivity
298
00:15:59,230 --> 00:16:01,607
is by recognizing
how subjective we are.
299
00:16:01,691 --> 00:16:05,152
We see the world based
on our past experiences.
300
00:16:05,236 --> 00:16:08,447
And I think the only way
to get close to objectivity
301
00:16:08,531 --> 00:16:09,990
is to realize
it doesn't exist.
302
00:16:28,426 --> 00:16:31,526
Doesn't look good, Mike.
303
00:16:38,895 --> 00:16:41,063
Both at
the bottom of the stairs,
304
00:16:41,147 --> 00:16:42,981
both have seven lacerations.
305
00:16:43,065 --> 00:16:44,149
Peterson...
306
00:16:44,233 --> 00:16:46,485
Ratliff.
307
00:16:46,569 --> 00:16:48,237
They look nothing alike.
308
00:16:48,321 --> 00:16:50,906
And they're saying
that the brain was clean.
309
00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:52,547
No signs of an aneurysm.
310
00:16:53,284 --> 00:16:54,701
In what fucking universe
311
00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:56,370
can they assign the same person
312
00:16:56,455 --> 00:16:58,324
that did Kathleen's autopsy
to do Liz's?
313
00:16:58,956 --> 00:17:00,680
It's a conflict of interest.
314
00:17:04,075 --> 00:17:05,418
Why didn't you stop this?
315
00:17:05,699 --> 00:17:07,856
You went too hard at her, Dave.
316
00:17:09,258 --> 00:17:10,759
Radisch?
317
00:17:10,843 --> 00:17:12,094
Oh, I'm sorry,
318
00:17:12,178 --> 00:17:13,971
was I supposed
to take it easy on her?
319
00:17:23,689 --> 00:17:25,858
What does this mean?
320
00:17:25,942 --> 00:17:28,194
Like, really mean?
Like, no spin, no bullshit.
321
00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:29,741
What, what can Hardin
do with this?
322
00:17:29,826 --> 00:17:31,405
They're going to call
more witnesses.
323
00:17:31,489 --> 00:17:34,283
People from Germany
who were there,
324
00:17:34,367 --> 00:17:36,285
- who remember it.
- Remember what?
325
00:17:36,369 --> 00:17:39,678
It was 25 years ago,
and nothing happened.
326
00:17:40,623 --> 00:17:42,916
The Germans said
there was an aneurysm.
327
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,539
You know,
there wasn't even any blood.
328
00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:48,231
Well, there was
some blood, Michael.
329
00:17:51,884 --> 00:17:53,509
So, what's the strategy?
330
00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:57,514
We keep appealing
to common sense.
331
00:17:57,598 --> 00:18:00,684
This is a strange coincidence,
nothing more.
332
00:18:00,768 --> 00:18:05,397
There is no such thing
as a staircase killer
333
00:18:05,481 --> 00:18:07,691
who emerges every 20 years
334
00:18:07,775 --> 00:18:10,235
to hurl his victims
down the steps.
335
00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:11,612
Okay.
336
00:18:12,219 --> 00:18:14,305
Caitlin, are you going
to be the best dancer...
337
00:18:14,389 --> 00:18:15,446
I'm gonna try.
338
00:18:15,531 --> 00:18:17,416
- Yeah. We need help.
- I'm getting this.
339
00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:19,244
- I'll show you.
- Okay.
340
00:18:19,328 --> 00:18:20,412
One, two...
341
00:18:20,496 --> 00:18:22,581
- I always...
- No!
342
00:18:22,665 --> 00:18:25,265
We'll try again, we'll
try again, we'll try again.
343
00:18:32,508 --> 00:18:34,259
What are you doing here?
344
00:18:34,343 --> 00:18:36,678
Well, so the DA's
whole case revolves
345
00:18:36,762 --> 00:18:40,557
around proving
that Dad beat Mom...
346
00:18:40,641 --> 00:18:42,267
uh, Kathleen,
with the blow poke.
347
00:18:42,351 --> 00:18:45,437
So what I'm doing
348
00:18:45,521 --> 00:18:47,314
is I'm looking through
all these videos
349
00:18:47,398 --> 00:18:49,956
to prove that
it's been missing for a while.
350
00:18:50,192 --> 00:18:51,356
And has it?
351
00:18:51,445 --> 00:18:54,045
Mostly. It doesn't seem
to be there.
352
00:18:55,448 --> 00:18:59,257
Is this project related
to the second autopsy finding?
353
00:19:02,872 --> 00:19:04,581
It's...
354
00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:06,771
It's my fault, you know,
I could have said no.
355
00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:09,517
Right?
356
00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:18,637
Caitlin. Hi!
357
00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:20,767
- Hello.
- Merry Christmas.
358
00:19:28,898 --> 00:19:30,315
That's all you're getting.
359
00:19:33,903 --> 00:19:35,362
It looks delicious.
360
00:19:35,446 --> 00:19:37,364
All right...
361
00:19:37,448 --> 00:19:38,754
Merry Christmas.
362
00:19:46,749 --> 00:19:48,750
You didn't remember
to pick up my suit, did you?
363
00:19:48,834 --> 00:19:50,558
I have that town hall debate.
364
00:19:50,753 --> 00:19:52,978
It's at the VA.
365
00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:55,896
In your closet.
366
00:19:57,378 --> 00:19:58,933
The plumber is coming
to fix the pipes
367
00:19:59,018 --> 00:20:00,372
but we need to do
something about the bats
368
00:20:00,456 --> 00:20:01,636
or else it'll happen again.
369
00:20:01,721 --> 00:20:03,764
We will. We will.
370
00:20:03,849 --> 00:20:07,102
- How's the neck?
- Oh, much better.
371
00:20:07,186 --> 00:20:08,186
Except when it hurts.
372
00:20:11,482 --> 00:20:13,692
...as he continues
to make gains in Afghanistan
373
00:20:13,776 --> 00:20:16,278
with the help
of British forces.
374
00:20:16,362 --> 00:20:18,488
Bush continues
to assure the world
375
00:20:18,572 --> 00:20:20,282
that this war
is a war on terrorism...
376
00:20:20,366 --> 00:20:22,701
...not on Afghanistan itself.
377
00:20:22,785 --> 00:20:24,494
Al Qaeda is to blame...
378
00:20:24,578 --> 00:20:27,220
Oh...
379
00:20:28,290 --> 00:20:29,596
Ohh!
380
00:20:43,639 --> 00:20:46,364
I feel like you're mad at me.
381
00:20:49,061 --> 00:20:51,661
I'm upset, yeah,
because you were late.
382
00:20:52,648 --> 00:20:54,733
Well, I'm sorry.
I was, um, studying.
383
00:20:54,817 --> 00:20:57,000
I mean late again.
You're always late. So...
384
00:20:57,695 --> 00:21:00,447
Alright. Well, I just said
I was sorry, so...
385
00:21:00,531 --> 00:21:03,923
Well you're always sorry, but
nothing ever seems to change.
386
00:21:04,994 --> 00:21:06,384
Okay.
387
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:10,271
Um, what's going on here?
Where is this coming from?
388
00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:16,146
Not everyone gets
a second chance
389
00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:17,834
- in life, Clayton.
- Oh, okay.
390
00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:19,257
- But you did.
- Yeah. Okay.
391
00:21:19,341 --> 00:21:21,593
And you seem determined
to screw it right up.
392
00:21:21,677 --> 00:21:23,334
Look, I did my time,
alright?
393
00:21:23,419 --> 00:21:25,430
I don't give a shit
about spring break, Clayton!
394
00:21:25,514 --> 00:21:27,474
Jesus.
395
00:21:27,558 --> 00:21:30,060
I'm still pissed
about what happened in July.
396
00:21:30,144 --> 00:21:31,895
- Okay?
- Wait. For real?
397
00:21:31,979 --> 00:21:33,689
Yeah, for real!
398
00:21:33,773 --> 00:21:35,691
It was a big deal.
399
00:21:35,775 --> 00:21:37,619
And you really don't seem
to understand that.
400
00:21:37,704 --> 00:21:39,096
If Becky is completely over it,
401
00:21:39,181 --> 00:21:41,144
why do you get to hold
some kind of a grudge about it?
402
00:21:41,228 --> 00:21:42,698
- That's total bullshit!
- Okay. Alright.
403
00:21:42,782 --> 00:21:44,091
- You know what?
- You're treating me like I'm,
404
00:21:44,175 --> 00:21:45,458
like I'm some kind of
a fucking child.
405
00:21:45,542 --> 00:21:46,243
You're right.
406
00:21:46,327 --> 00:21:47,786
You're a totally responsible,
407
00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:49,287
fully formed adult.
408
00:21:49,371 --> 00:21:50,163
So... yeah,
409
00:21:50,247 --> 00:21:53,458
let's just listen
to the radio in silence
410
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:54,584
while I drive you to school.
411
00:21:54,668 --> 00:21:56,044
You know what, Kathleen,
you go around acting like
412
00:21:56,128 --> 00:21:58,839
you're so morally superior
to everyone.
413
00:21:58,923 --> 00:22:01,425
You've never copped to the fact
that you started fucking my dad
414
00:22:01,509 --> 00:22:03,135
when he was still married
to my mom.
415
00:22:06,931 --> 00:22:08,237
What, I...
416
00:22:09,767 --> 00:22:11,059
Who told you that?
417
00:22:11,143 --> 00:22:12,561
We all know.
418
00:22:12,645 --> 00:22:14,027
We just don't rub
your face in it.
419
00:22:14,158 --> 00:22:15,924
You're a fucking hypocrite.
420
00:22:21,987 --> 00:22:23,795
You mind your temper, Clayton.
421
00:22:25,449 --> 00:22:27,551
North
Carolina's medical examiner
422
00:22:27,636 --> 00:22:30,579
has released new information
on Elizabeth Ratliff.
423
00:22:30,663 --> 00:22:32,372
And in a shocking turn
of events,
424
00:22:32,456 --> 00:22:36,501
the autopsy reveals
a second staircase murder.
425
00:22:36,585 --> 00:22:38,879
The prosecution
announced this morning
426
00:22:38,963 --> 00:22:40,581
they'll be flying in
a key witness
427
00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:43,221
from Germany, Agnes Schafer,
428
00:22:43,306 --> 00:22:45,218
nanny to Martha and Margaret,
429
00:22:45,302 --> 00:22:47,679
Ratliff's biological
daughters.
430
00:22:47,763 --> 00:22:50,891
I got there at
7:30 in the morning like always.
431
00:22:50,975 --> 00:22:53,685
And it was
the first thing I saw,
432
00:22:53,769 --> 00:22:55,410
Liz just lying there
like a doll.
433
00:22:56,772 --> 00:22:59,399
Was there blood?
434
00:22:59,483 --> 00:23:01,526
Oh yes. Everywhere.
435
00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:04,362
The floor.
The walls. The stairs.
436
00:23:04,446 --> 00:23:06,948
Blood everywhere.
437
00:23:07,032 --> 00:23:08,992
What did you do next?
438
00:23:09,076 --> 00:23:11,328
Well, my first concern
439
00:23:11,412 --> 00:23:13,038
was for Martha-Baby
and Little Gee-Gee.
440
00:23:13,122 --> 00:23:15,388
I loved these
little girls so much.
441
00:23:17,001 --> 00:23:20,045
I... I went upstairs
and got them.
442
00:23:20,129 --> 00:23:23,021
- And then what?
- I made sure they were okay.
443
00:23:23,966 --> 00:23:25,912
And then I went
to the toilet and vomited.
444
00:23:28,971 --> 00:23:30,347
Ease up.
445
00:23:30,431 --> 00:23:31,548
And after that?
446
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,476
I went and got Michael next door.
447
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,061
He came in, took a look around,
448
00:23:36,145 --> 00:23:40,857
and said that Liz
had a brain aneurysm
449
00:23:40,941 --> 00:23:44,027
and that she must have fallen
down the stairs from that.
450
00:23:44,111 --> 00:23:47,155
And had anyone with
any medical authority arrived
451
00:23:47,239 --> 00:23:49,866
who could verify
this guess of his?
452
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:54,204
No. Michael sort of
proclaimed it.
453
00:23:54,288 --> 00:23:56,081
And... and then it was true.
454
00:23:56,165 --> 00:23:58,750
That's when I started
getting a feeling.
455
00:23:58,834 --> 00:24:01,753
What sort of feeling?
456
00:24:01,837 --> 00:24:03,713
That Michael had done
something horrible.
457
00:24:03,797 --> 00:24:06,091
Bjection. Speculation.
458
00:24:06,175 --> 00:24:07,759
Sustained.
459
00:24:07,843 --> 00:24:09,465
Ms. Schafer,
460
00:24:09,550 --> 00:24:11,255
in your statement
to German police,
461
00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:13,640
you never mentioned
the blood or the vomit
462
00:24:13,724 --> 00:24:17,352
or any suspicions at all
463
00:24:17,437 --> 00:24:19,757
against Michael Peterson.
Why is that?
464
00:24:19,842 --> 00:24:21,523
I'm not sure I understand.
465
00:24:21,607 --> 00:24:23,732
Well, if you didn't
mention anything at the time
466
00:24:23,817 --> 00:24:26,945
and there are no photographs
to corroborate,
467
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:28,826
I'm just wondering
how you could be sure
468
00:24:28,911 --> 00:24:30,920
any of this happened at all.
469
00:24:31,005 --> 00:24:32,748
Well, that's easy.
470
00:24:32,833 --> 00:24:35,287
When I saw the reports
about Kathleen,
471
00:24:35,371 --> 00:24:39,082
Liz's death started coming
back to me in flashbacks.
472
00:24:39,166 --> 00:24:41,376
Right, and... I'm sorry.
473
00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:43,753
You've been having flashbacks?
474
00:24:43,837 --> 00:24:45,143
Yes.
475
00:24:46,757 --> 00:24:49,232
They come in short scenes,
they're very vivid.
476
00:24:52,179 --> 00:24:53,972
Um...
477
00:24:54,056 --> 00:24:56,142
Just to be clear,
you-you're referring
478
00:24:56,227 --> 00:24:59,603
to these mental images
as... flashbacks
479
00:24:59,687 --> 00:25:01,865
and not actual memories.
480
00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:03,069
Yes.
481
00:25:03,154 --> 00:25:04,816
Hmm. Isn't it also true
482
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,526
that you remained employed
483
00:25:06,610 --> 00:25:09,487
by Michael Peterson
for the period of a year
484
00:25:09,571 --> 00:25:11,756
following the event?
485
00:25:11,865 --> 00:25:14,563
Isn't that a questionable thing to
do if you thought he was a murderer?
486
00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,369
But that's why I did it.
487
00:25:16,453 --> 00:25:17,829
I wanted to keep an eye on them.
488
00:25:17,913 --> 00:25:21,666
Michael was very strict
with the boys.
489
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,294
- Alright, well, let's stay on topic.
- I am.
490
00:25:24,378 --> 00:25:27,130
I stayed because I didn't want
the same for the girls.
491
00:25:27,214 --> 00:25:29,549
- Objection, Your Honor.
- I failed.
492
00:25:29,633 --> 00:25:31,760
I should have
protected you, Martha-Baby.
493
00:25:31,844 --> 00:25:33,219
I should have
protected you from him.
494
00:25:33,303 --> 00:25:34,471
Your Honor, move to strike.
495
00:25:36,181 --> 00:25:38,308
Get to the car.
496
00:25:40,978 --> 00:25:43,355
Mr. Peterson, did you beat
your baby daughter in Germany?
497
00:25:43,439 --> 00:25:46,024
Mr. Peterson,
just one question. Tell us...
498
00:25:48,277 --> 00:25:50,418
- Martha!
- Jesus Christ, Martha.
499
00:25:51,739 --> 00:25:53,865
Martha.
500
00:25:53,949 --> 00:25:55,506
Hey. Are you okay?
501
00:25:57,578 --> 00:25:59,913
- Come on! What the fuck, Martha!
- Martha.
502
00:25:59,997 --> 00:26:01,539
Martha.
Martha, knock it off. Todd!
503
00:26:01,623 --> 00:26:02,832
I'm trying, okay.
504
00:26:02,916 --> 00:26:04,209
Open the door, dammit.
505
00:26:04,293 --> 00:26:06,544
- What was Agnes talking about?
- Open up!
506
00:26:06,628 --> 00:26:07,777
What was she going to say?
507
00:26:07,862 --> 00:26:09,089
How do I know?
508
00:26:09,173 --> 00:26:11,121
She's a broken woman
who wants her 15 minutes.
509
00:26:11,206 --> 00:26:13,510
She told me the truth.
She said that she loved us.
510
00:26:13,594 --> 00:26:15,804
For Christ's sake.
Now is not the time.
511
00:26:15,888 --> 00:26:17,011
Martha!
512
00:26:17,096 --> 00:26:18,139
Just answer the question.
Please.
513
00:26:18,223 --> 00:26:20,475
I'm telling you,
she's full of crap.
514
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,352
Then why do I feel like this?
515
00:26:22,436 --> 00:26:23,742
Michael!
516
00:26:25,264 --> 00:26:27,132
- Martha.
- Because they want you to.
517
00:26:27,217 --> 00:26:28,733
Now open the goddamn door.
518
00:26:28,817 --> 00:26:30,986
Martha.
519
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:32,612
- Michael!
- Dad.
520
00:26:32,696 --> 00:26:34,239
- Only one question.
- Now!
521
00:26:34,323 --> 00:26:35,946
Mr. Peterson.
Mr. Peterson, one question.
522
00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:37,671
Mr. Peterson.
523
00:26:39,411 --> 00:26:40,912
Mr. Peterson, one question.
524
00:26:40,996 --> 00:26:42,595
Damn it, Martha!
525
00:26:46,293 --> 00:26:48,003
Come on. Hurry, Todd.
526
00:26:48,087 --> 00:26:50,353
Mr. Peterson!
527
00:26:52,841 --> 00:26:55,301
Now about subjectivity,
528
00:26:55,385 --> 00:26:58,653
how can we relate to stories
that threaten our own?
529
00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:03,643
Some of us go
toward the threat.
530
00:27:03,727 --> 00:27:06,452
We search
and question and dig.
531
00:27:10,275 --> 00:27:14,293
And some of us rationalize.
532
00:27:15,239 --> 00:27:19,382
Try to force the stories
to fit together.
533
00:27:32,422 --> 00:27:33,214
Some of us simply don't engae
534
00:27:33,298 --> 00:27:36,649
and bury the thread
deep inside.
535
00:27:41,056 --> 00:27:42,362
And some of us...
536
00:27:43,809 --> 00:27:46,325
seem not to be
threatened at all.
537
00:27:51,692 --> 00:27:57,113
So we open Mike's defense
with the jury walk-through.
538
00:27:57,197 --> 00:28:01,826
Now this provides the context
for all the experts,
539
00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:03,328
all the science,
540
00:28:03,412 --> 00:28:06,331
and says we, the defense,
541
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,293
are going to invite them in.
542
00:28:08,385 --> 00:28:10,042
Why wouldn't we? Alright.
543
00:28:10,127 --> 00:28:12,796
The staircase is an open book,
544
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,255
and so are we
545
00:28:14,339 --> 00:28:17,926
because we have nothing to hide.
546
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:20,058
David, I'm not sure it's a good idea.
547
00:28:20,142 --> 00:28:23,181
Hey, look who I found
creeping outside.
548
00:28:23,265 --> 00:28:25,475
- Oh my god!
- How you doing, Clay?
549
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:26,865
Clay.
550
00:28:27,352 --> 00:28:29,395
- Clay!
- Oh, hey.
551
00:28:29,479 --> 00:28:31,537
Hey, guys. Hey, Mom.
552
00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:36,361
Hey, Clay. What's up, man?
553
00:28:36,445 --> 00:28:38,238
Uh, yeah, nothing much.
I just, uh...
554
00:28:38,322 --> 00:28:41,449
How-how long
are you in town for?
555
00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:43,034
Uh, I took a couple weeks off.
556
00:28:43,118 --> 00:28:45,120
I thought maybe
I could get the Trans-Am
557
00:28:45,204 --> 00:28:46,510
up and running again.
558
00:28:49,291 --> 00:28:50,890
I wanted to help,
so I came home.
559
00:28:54,963 --> 00:28:56,604
I hope that's okay?
560
00:29:01,595 --> 00:29:03,152
I'm glad you're here.
561
00:29:05,307 --> 00:29:07,058
- Your Honor, how are you?
- Great. Great.
562
00:29:07,142 --> 00:29:09,928
- Are we ready to bring in the jurors?
- I believe we are.
563
00:29:11,521 --> 00:29:14,732
Darren,
please bring in the jurors.
564
00:29:14,816 --> 00:29:16,749
Alright, let's go, people.
565
00:29:23,242 --> 00:29:24,632
Here you go.
566
00:29:32,459 --> 00:29:35,142
What would you
say is a storyteller's job?
567
00:29:36,838 --> 00:29:38,548
Hmm.
568
00:29:38,632 --> 00:29:40,000
What do you mean?
569
00:29:40,085 --> 00:29:41,259
This way.
570
00:29:41,343 --> 00:29:43,943
I mean, should he present the truth
571
00:29:44,179 --> 00:29:46,153
as he sees it?
572
00:29:47,933 --> 00:29:50,533
Or is persuasion
also part of his job?
573
00:29:51,436 --> 00:29:55,023
Maybe she can do both.
574
00:29:55,107 --> 00:29:56,446
But, you know,
in my experience,
575
00:29:56,531 --> 00:29:59,048
people don't like
to be persuaded.
576
00:30:03,031 --> 00:30:06,534
So the storyteller must accept
that she can control
577
00:30:06,618 --> 00:30:08,786
what the story says
578
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:11,331
but not how it is read.
579
00:30:28,473 --> 00:30:30,350
You can only
show what looks to you
580
00:30:30,434 --> 00:30:31,782
like the truth...
581
00:30:33,603 --> 00:30:37,204
knowing that it may look
to someone else like a lie.
582
00:30:39,151 --> 00:30:41,208
I swung my weapon at you.
583
00:30:42,404 --> 00:30:45,963
And here you can see
the cast-off pattern.
584
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:47,951
We found no cast-off
585
00:30:48,035 --> 00:30:50,092
in the staircase
at the Peterson house.
586
00:30:51,038 --> 00:30:53,164
And what do you make
587
00:30:53,248 --> 00:30:56,167
of the blood spatter
588
00:30:56,251 --> 00:30:59,837
that you did find, Dr. Lee?
589
00:30:59,921 --> 00:31:03,800
That it
is plentiful and chaotic,
590
00:31:03,884 --> 00:31:07,679
like someone coughing,
shaking her head,
591
00:31:07,763 --> 00:31:09,806
moving around.
592
00:31:09,890 --> 00:31:12,031
Not an organized attack.
593
00:31:12,851 --> 00:31:14,102
Hey, Rain Man.
594
00:31:14,186 --> 00:31:16,055
So in your
opinion, Dr. Lee...
595
00:31:16,164 --> 00:31:16,859
Knock it off.
596
00:31:16,944 --> 00:31:17,930
...would you say
597
00:31:18,015 --> 00:31:20,672
Kathleen's death
was an accident?
598
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,492
In my opinion, yes.
599
00:31:23,577 --> 00:31:27,132
The scene is more consistent
with a fall.
600
00:31:27,366 --> 00:31:30,243
There was simply way
too much blood for beating.
601
00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:32,898
I mean...
602
00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,930
You oppose SBI agent
Duane Deaver's findings?
603
00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:41,001
But didn't you recently
complement his skills
604
00:31:41,148 --> 00:31:42,883
as a blood spatter analyst?
605
00:31:43,055 --> 00:31:44,382
I don't recall.
606
00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:45,466
Okay.
607
00:31:45,550 --> 00:31:48,943
Do you recall giving him
a copy of your book?
608
00:31:50,514 --> 00:31:51,639
Oh yes.
609
00:31:51,723 --> 00:31:52,890
May I approach, Your Honor?
610
00:31:52,974 --> 00:31:55,157
- You may.
- Thank you.
611
00:32:00,857 --> 00:32:03,249
Please read this inscription
right here.
612
00:32:05,821 --> 00:32:09,991
"To Agent Deaver,
one of the best.
613
00:32:10,075 --> 00:32:13,536
Keep up the good work.
Sincerely, Dr. Henry Lee."
614
00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:15,386
Thank you.
615
00:32:20,127 --> 00:32:23,504
You wouldn't write that if you
didn't feel that way, would you?
616
00:32:23,588 --> 00:32:24,894
Well...
617
00:32:26,091 --> 00:32:27,091
I give everyone courtesy.
618
00:32:27,175 --> 00:32:29,427
That's Chinese culture.
619
00:32:29,511 --> 00:32:32,430
Uh, what was I
supposed to write,
620
00:32:32,514 --> 00:32:35,767
"Dear Duane.
Don't quit your day job"?
621
00:32:45,193 --> 00:32:47,070
Dr. Lee,
622
00:32:47,154 --> 00:32:49,864
you can't definitively
rule out a beating
623
00:32:49,948 --> 00:32:52,075
in the death
of Kathleen Peterson, can you?
624
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,494
No.
625
00:32:54,578 --> 00:32:56,135
But no one can.
626
00:32:59,416 --> 00:33:01,307
Thank you. That's all.
627
00:33:06,548 --> 00:33:08,299
It's an outrage.
628
00:33:08,383 --> 00:33:09,509
Pure and simple.
629
00:33:09,593 --> 00:33:11,761
So I think we take some fund,
630
00:33:11,845 --> 00:33:13,388
form an exploratory committee,
631
00:33:13,472 --> 00:33:16,099
and see if we can find out
632
00:33:16,183 --> 00:33:18,351
what went wrong.
633
00:33:18,435 --> 00:33:21,053
See, that's
exactly the sort of answer
634
00:33:21,138 --> 00:33:22,730
I want to change.
635
00:33:22,814 --> 00:33:26,317
Maybe discussing
potentially evaluating
636
00:33:26,401 --> 00:33:28,111
actually doing something.
637
00:33:28,195 --> 00:33:31,114
- Now...
- I want to talk about the lie.
638
00:33:31,198 --> 00:33:33,616
Uh, sir, you need
to submit questions.
639
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,619
You said you received
a Purple Heart in Vietnam.
640
00:33:36,703 --> 00:33:38,204
- Sir...
- Now, now, hold on a minute.
641
00:33:38,288 --> 00:33:39,664
That's a sacred thing.
642
00:33:39,748 --> 00:33:41,874
And you know what? You didn't.
643
00:33:41,958 --> 00:33:44,585
- Sir, if you can just take a seat?
- Can I be heard?
644
00:33:44,669 --> 00:33:47,463
That's not something
you make a mistake about.
645
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:48,202
No, sir.
646
00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:49,415
If you would
like to submit a question...
647
00:33:49,499 --> 00:33:52,117
You lied! He lied! He lied!
648
00:33:52,202 --> 00:33:54,190
If you could
just calm down, please, sir?
649
00:34:16,201 --> 00:34:19,162
And to top it all off,
650
00:34:19,246 --> 00:34:20,621
we have an
imaginary murder weapon.
651
00:34:20,705 --> 00:34:24,876
So, uh, at the risk
of tempting fate,
652
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,378
I think Tom would agree that
we are about ready to close.
653
00:34:27,462 --> 00:34:30,855
- Yes?
- I want to testify.
654
00:34:37,806 --> 00:34:41,350
Look, Mike, uh,
we've been over this.
655
00:34:41,434 --> 00:34:43,728
No. They, they don't know me.
656
00:34:43,812 --> 00:34:45,396
Who doesn't know you, Mike?
657
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,356
No, the jury.
658
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,442
Now, it's, it's my life
on the line here.
659
00:34:49,526 --> 00:34:51,819
And I want to tell my story.
660
00:34:51,903 --> 00:34:54,947
You know, tell them
how much I loved Kathleen.
661
00:34:55,031 --> 00:34:57,241
You know, I deserve
to be heard here, don't I?
662
00:34:57,325 --> 00:34:58,794
- Yeah. Dad's right.
- Clayton.
663
00:34:58,879 --> 00:35:00,161
- No, he deserves to talk.
- Come on. Come on.
664
00:35:00,245 --> 00:35:02,387
- He's the one on trial.
- Listen!
665
00:35:02,872 --> 00:35:05,750
Listen. I hear what
you're saying, Mike.
666
00:35:05,834 --> 00:35:06,834
I do.
667
00:35:06,918 --> 00:35:09,420
I... just listen
to me for a second.
668
00:35:09,504 --> 00:35:13,466
I know how nerves can flare up
at the eleventh hour.
669
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:16,108
But we cannot let them
take the wheel.
670
00:35:18,263 --> 00:35:21,349
Your case is strong.
We just have to stay calm.
671
00:35:21,433 --> 00:35:23,115
See it through to the end.
672
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:37,657
Come on, motherfucker! Come on!
673
00:35:48,043 --> 00:35:49,085
Come on!
674
00:35:51,212 --> 00:35:53,979
Yes!
675
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,986
Fuck me!
676
00:36:14,361 --> 00:36:15,403
I found it. I found it.
677
00:36:15,487 --> 00:36:17,153
I found it.
I found it. I found it.
678
00:36:19,366 --> 00:36:20,672
I found it!
679
00:36:21,743 --> 00:36:25,705
I found the fucking blow poke!
680
00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:27,618
Clayton, don't
fuck with us right now.
681
00:36:27,703 --> 00:36:28,874
- Seriously, don't fuck with us.
- I am "us."
682
00:36:28,958 --> 00:36:30,418
Why would I fuck with us?
683
00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:32,378
I found it right there
just like that.
684
00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:35,172
You found it right there because
you fucking planted it right there.
685
00:36:35,256 --> 00:36:36,749
What? I didn't plant it!
686
00:36:36,834 --> 00:36:38,796
Jesus! What the fuck
is wrong with you?
687
00:36:38,881 --> 00:36:40,438
This is a good thing.
688
00:36:40,804 --> 00:36:43,529
It's not like
there's blood on it.
689
00:36:44,933 --> 00:36:47,199
Of course, there's
no fucking blood on it.
690
00:36:48,311 --> 00:36:50,605
You know what?
This is so classic you.
691
00:36:50,689 --> 00:36:52,315
You come home out of nowhere
and you come and you fuck up our shit.
692
00:36:52,399 --> 00:36:54,456
Would you both just shut up!
693
00:36:55,485 --> 00:36:56,959
Just shut up.
694
00:37:00,573 --> 00:37:02,381
I mean, I don't believe it.
695
00:37:03,493 --> 00:37:06,176
How many times
did they search this place?
696
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:11,557
I should call Dave, right?
697
00:37:16,297 --> 00:37:17,771
Dad?
698
00:37:22,387 --> 00:37:23,773
She must have put it there.
699
00:37:26,433 --> 00:37:28,768
Look, Mike, the thing's intact.
700
00:37:28,852 --> 00:37:30,409
There's no blood.
701
00:37:30,729 --> 00:37:33,022
This could be good,
702
00:37:33,106 --> 00:37:33,773
provided you're telling
the truth.
703
00:37:33,857 --> 00:37:36,150
Well, of course, I am. Jesus!
704
00:37:36,234 --> 00:37:39,737
Alright, so we hold
all the cards here, right?
705
00:37:39,821 --> 00:37:41,489
This works for us.
706
00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:44,325
The DA says the blow poke's
the murder weapon.
707
00:37:44,409 --> 00:37:46,035
We prove him wrong.
It's right here.
708
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:47,787
It's fucking clean.
709
00:37:47,871 --> 00:37:49,622
What else are they wrong about?
710
00:37:49,837 --> 00:37:51,728
Right?
711
00:37:52,625 --> 00:37:54,399
Now, if you can
answer these next ones
712
00:37:54,484 --> 00:37:56,212
just as truthfully as you can.
713
00:37:56,296 --> 00:37:58,506
Alright? Because if we
put you on the stand
714
00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:00,299
to say how you found
the blow poke,
715
00:38:00,383 --> 00:38:04,095
Hardin will zero in
on any uncertainty,
716
00:38:04,179 --> 00:38:06,138
any, um, evasion.
717
00:38:06,222 --> 00:38:08,140
Right. Of course. You got it.
718
00:38:08,224 --> 00:38:09,725
Okay.
719
00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:11,185
Alright.
720
00:38:11,269 --> 00:38:14,188
So I understand you have a DUI
721
00:38:14,272 --> 00:38:15,778
on your record, is that right?
722
00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,901
Two DUIs?
723
00:38:18,985 --> 00:38:22,279
Good. Uh, always be honest.
Don't let him catch you lying.
724
00:38:22,363 --> 00:38:23,948
Alright.
725
00:38:24,032 --> 00:38:28,327
Uh, April 1994, you were
a sophomore in college.
726
00:38:28,411 --> 00:38:30,705
Got in a little trouble,
is that right?
727
00:38:30,789 --> 00:38:33,874
Yep. Went on spring break.
728
00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:35,960
Right.
729
00:38:36,044 --> 00:38:38,796
And, uh, how much
prison time ultimately
730
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,006
did you end up
spending for planting
731
00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:42,481
those pipe bombs in Duke?
732
00:38:45,553 --> 00:38:46,804
Well, they didn't go off.
733
00:38:46,888 --> 00:38:48,320
To be fair,
they weren't designed to.
734
00:38:48,404 --> 00:38:49,943
They were just like a diversion
735
00:38:50,028 --> 00:38:51,851
so I could get
to the laminating machine.
736
00:38:51,935 --> 00:38:53,227
Wait, the laminating machine?
737
00:38:53,311 --> 00:38:54,603
- Here we go.
- Yeah.
738
00:38:54,687 --> 00:38:57,231
To make fake IDs
739
00:38:57,315 --> 00:38:59,859
to get beers for me
and my buddies.
740
00:38:59,943 --> 00:39:03,571
But it was... uh, four years.
741
00:39:03,655 --> 00:39:05,649
All told, four years
in Fed for the bombs.
742
00:39:05,734 --> 00:39:08,617
It wouldn't have been that long
except they found more here in my room.
743
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,186
More bombs?
744
00:39:12,716 --> 00:39:15,043
Do, do we really need
an audience?
745
00:39:15,128 --> 00:39:17,146
Uh, well, you're
going to have one in court.
746
00:39:17,231 --> 00:39:19,670
My son is finishing
his second master's in May.
747
00:39:19,754 --> 00:39:21,060
Computer engineering.
748
00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:24,606
That's great.
Turning over a new leaf.
749
00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:28,986
But, um, while we are
still on the old one,
750
00:39:30,098 --> 00:39:33,809
I need to ask you
about July 4th, 2001.
751
00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:36,854
Oh yeah.
I, I was drunk, I guess.
752
00:39:36,938 --> 00:39:40,164
And me and Becky had a fight.
She called the cops.
753
00:39:41,985 --> 00:39:43,375
Because?
754
00:39:46,072 --> 00:39:47,364
You hit her, correct?
755
00:39:50,785 --> 00:39:52,950
We had a fight,
and I shoved her once.
756
00:39:53,035 --> 00:39:55,915
Not hit. She called the cops,
but she forgave me.
757
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,868
- We're, we're engaged now.
- H-h-hang on.
758
00:39:57,952 --> 00:40:00,510
Tom, h-how can they
even bring that in?
759
00:40:01,296 --> 00:40:05,216
Uh, look, they get a whiff
of domestic violence,
760
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:08,469
this could be
a real issue for us,
761
00:40:08,553 --> 00:40:09,887
given what Agnes has alleged.
762
00:40:09,971 --> 00:40:12,223
Victims often become
the abusers.
763
00:40:12,307 --> 00:40:16,602
Right? They'll ask,
did your father ever hit you?
764
00:40:16,686 --> 00:40:18,979
- What?
- Ever hit Kathleen?
765
00:40:19,063 --> 00:40:21,607
No, my dad never
hit anyone. I would have seen.
766
00:40:21,691 --> 00:40:23,361
Okay, but maybe there
are things that happened
767
00:40:23,445 --> 00:40:25,148
in this house
that you don't know about.
768
00:40:28,398 --> 00:40:30,538
You're aware that the state
has pornographic photos
769
00:40:30,749 --> 00:40:33,744
and videos
from your dad's computer.
770
00:40:33,828 --> 00:40:36,831
Did you know anything
about that prior to the trial?
771
00:40:36,915 --> 00:40:40,417
Uh, about any of what?
Can you be more specific?
772
00:40:40,501 --> 00:40:42,127
Uh, his sexuality.
773
00:40:42,211 --> 00:40:43,769
Oh, well...
774
00:40:45,279 --> 00:40:47,573
he's a pretty sexual person.
775
00:40:47,759 --> 00:40:49,677
I was always jealous of him
and Kathleen's sex life.
776
00:40:49,761 --> 00:40:51,053
Ew! Oh my God.
777
00:40:51,137 --> 00:40:52,680
Jesus Christ, Clayton.
778
00:40:52,764 --> 00:40:54,431
What, Todd?
Nothing but the truth.
779
00:40:54,515 --> 00:40:56,767
Okay. R-right.
Uh, specifically,
780
00:40:56,851 --> 00:40:59,034
were you aware
of his interest in men?
781
00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:04,508
I-I mean,
we never talked about it.
782
00:41:06,527 --> 00:41:09,503
Because a son's role is not
to question his father, right?
783
00:41:10,365 --> 00:41:12,199
But I walked in on him
jacking off once
784
00:41:12,313 --> 00:41:15,024
to something kind of gay.
785
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:18,153
- What?
- Petersons are fucking crazy.
786
00:41:18,539 --> 00:41:19,999
What do you mean, the Petersons?
787
00:41:20,106 --> 00:41:21,908
I mean, you and Todd and Dad.
788
00:41:21,993 --> 00:41:23,919
Like, why can't you guys
just be normal?
789
00:41:24,003 --> 00:41:26,043
Margie, can you keep
your little sister in check?
790
00:41:26,128 --> 00:41:28,628
No, she's right. I'm sick
of defending you guys, too.
791
00:41:28,713 --> 00:41:31,510
Oh, really? Really. You're going
to say that in front of our mother?
792
00:41:31,594 --> 00:41:33,751
Our mother, that took
you in off the street.
793
00:41:33,836 --> 00:41:35,732
Well, all you
do is hit her up for money.
794
00:41:35,816 --> 00:41:37,009
You guys make everything worse.
795
00:41:37,093 --> 00:41:39,351
You rack up debt.
You embarrass us.
796
00:41:39,436 --> 00:41:41,288
- I mean, how are we supposed to...
- Hey!
797
00:41:43,342 --> 00:41:45,078
I run a successful website.
798
00:41:45,389 --> 00:41:47,650
You sound like a psychopath!
799
00:41:52,907 --> 00:41:55,632
I beg your pardon, Michael.
800
00:41:57,412 --> 00:41:58,787
It's the children.
801
00:41:58,871 --> 00:42:01,290
You'd be in some fucked-up
German brothel right now, okay?
802
00:42:04,252 --> 00:42:06,337
- Hey!
- I said, be quiet!
803
00:42:06,421 --> 00:42:08,645
That's enough!
804
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,011
Clay's not testifying.
805
00:42:14,095 --> 00:42:16,639
- But, Dad...
- Forget it!
806
00:42:16,723 --> 00:42:21,560
If anyone is going to testify
about this fucking blow poke,
807
00:42:21,644 --> 00:42:25,230
it's going to be me!
And I am going to testify.
808
00:42:25,314 --> 00:42:27,024
For the good of my case,
for the good of this family.
809
00:42:27,108 --> 00:42:30,375
And before we all
fucking kill each other.
810
00:42:41,289 --> 00:42:44,208
Should have just stayed
in Baltimore.
811
00:42:52,341 --> 00:42:55,010
No use trying, David.
My mind's made up.
812
00:42:55,094 --> 00:42:56,407
Uh-huh.
813
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:58,650
Well, maybe you're right.
814
00:42:58,735 --> 00:43:01,418
Can we talk it through?
815
00:43:01,642 --> 00:43:05,187
They are going to ask you
816
00:43:05,271 --> 00:43:07,621
about the Purple Heart
817
00:43:08,316 --> 00:43:10,609
to establish a pattern of lying.
818
00:43:10,693 --> 00:43:12,334
Well, I...
819
00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:14,663
it's true, I lied about that.
820
00:43:14,898 --> 00:43:17,658
About being injured in Vietnam.
821
00:43:17,742 --> 00:43:22,204
And you told everyone,
including Kathleen,
822
00:43:22,288 --> 00:43:25,847
that for your bravery,
you earned a Purple Heart?
823
00:43:26,751 --> 00:43:29,184
Why, Mike?
824
00:43:29,629 --> 00:43:30,935
Because...
825
00:43:32,423 --> 00:43:33,814
I was injured,
826
00:43:34,801 --> 00:43:36,107
just not in the war.
827
00:43:37,011 --> 00:43:38,387
It was afterward.
828
00:43:38,471 --> 00:43:41,446
A car accident when
I was stationed in Japan.
829
00:43:42,183 --> 00:43:44,810
But I do have a Silver Star.
830
00:43:44,894 --> 00:43:46,937
And a Bronze Star, with valor,
831
00:43:47,021 --> 00:43:50,414
because... once...
832
00:43:52,026 --> 00:43:55,293
a marine in my command
was blown up by a grenade.
833
00:44:00,868 --> 00:44:02,259
Here.
834
00:44:03,329 --> 00:44:04,635
John Cuddy.
835
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:11,920
We were close.
836
00:44:12,004 --> 00:44:14,230
I dragged his mutilated body
back to the foxhole.
837
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:21,403
He died in my arms.
838
00:44:23,224 --> 00:44:24,530
So did Kathleen.
839
00:44:30,064 --> 00:44:32,539
You learn CPR
in the military, don't you?
840
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:34,985
Yes.
841
00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:37,419
Well, when you
first called 911...
842
00:44:38,406 --> 00:44:42,340
you said Kathleen
was still breathing.
843
00:44:43,703 --> 00:44:46,121
Then you called back
844
00:44:46,205 --> 00:44:47,748
a couple minutes later,
said she wasn't.
845
00:44:47,832 --> 00:44:49,639
In between, did you perform CPR?
846
00:44:50,751 --> 00:44:52,058
No.
847
00:44:52,587 --> 00:44:55,228
- No. I was in shock.
- Shock?
848
00:44:57,008 --> 00:44:58,967
Vietnam vet.
849
00:44:59,051 --> 00:45:00,511
Bunch of different colored stars
850
00:45:00,595 --> 00:45:02,846
and obviously saw combat.
851
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:04,863
You went into shock?
852
00:45:07,768 --> 00:45:10,952
It wasn't like war.
It wasn't like anything.
853
00:45:11,522 --> 00:45:13,107
It was just,
854
00:45:13,191 --> 00:45:14,539
just her...
855
00:45:15,776 --> 00:45:17,375
in pain...
856
00:45:18,821 --> 00:45:20,962
leaving me...
857
00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:24,660
and me begging her not to go
858
00:45:24,744 --> 00:45:27,511
and... she wouldn't listen.
859
00:45:29,957 --> 00:45:31,623
It was the worst moment
of my life.
860
00:45:33,836 --> 00:45:35,477
I believe you, Mike.
861
00:45:36,714 --> 00:45:39,383
But how does a jury know
862
00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:42,317
it's not just
another Purple Heart?
863
00:45:45,139 --> 00:45:46,947
Not just another lie.
864
00:45:48,643 --> 00:45:50,310
I want to leave it
up to you, I do.
865
00:45:50,394 --> 00:45:51,812
I mean, it's your life.
866
00:45:51,896 --> 00:45:54,231
But I can get the blow poke in
867
00:45:54,315 --> 00:45:55,315
without putting you
or Clay on the stand,
868
00:45:55,399 --> 00:45:58,485
and your case
won't suffer for it.
869
00:45:58,569 --> 00:45:59,955
But if I don't tell them...
870
00:46:02,365 --> 00:46:03,964
how will they know?
871
00:46:12,833 --> 00:46:14,516
Let me know what you decide.
872
00:46:24,345 --> 00:46:25,651
Dad.
873
00:46:27,556 --> 00:46:29,030
It's fine, Clay.
874
00:46:37,673 --> 00:46:39,408
A coup
for the defense today
875
00:46:39,562 --> 00:46:41,338
at the tail end
of the Peterson trial
876
00:46:41,423 --> 00:46:44,072
as the alleged murder weapon
has surfaced.
877
00:46:44,156 --> 00:46:45,616
Rudolf has produced
878
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,910
the so-called
missing blow poke,
879
00:46:47,994 --> 00:46:50,078
arguing that Durham PD
did not search
880
00:46:50,162 --> 00:46:51,288
thoroughly enough for it
881
00:46:51,372 --> 00:46:53,290
and failed to ever ask
the defense
882
00:46:53,374 --> 00:46:54,625
whether it had been found.
883
00:46:54,709 --> 00:46:56,585
Alright. Does this appear
to be the blow poke
884
00:46:56,669 --> 00:46:59,811
that Mr. Hardin mentioned
in his opening statement
885
00:47:01,215 --> 00:47:04,149
as being mysteriously missing?
886
00:47:06,053 --> 00:47:07,359
Yes, it does.
887
00:47:08,514 --> 00:47:11,072
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.
888
00:47:12,935 --> 00:47:14,659
You may be dismissed.
889
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:16,855
Alright.
890
00:47:16,939 --> 00:47:19,733
Does that witness conclude
your case, Mr. Rudolf?
891
00:47:37,084 --> 00:47:38,390
Yes, it does, Your Honor.
892
00:47:39,628 --> 00:47:41,269
The defense rests.
893
00:47:49,138 --> 00:47:52,015
Though it's not yet clear
whether this ninth-inning discovery
894
00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:54,685
has given the jury
more questions or answers,
895
00:47:54,769 --> 00:47:56,603
it certainly
has changed the game.
896
00:47:56,687 --> 00:47:57,639
Sneaky shits.
897
00:47:57,724 --> 00:47:59,148
Ultimately, um,
898
00:47:59,232 --> 00:48:00,866
you know what,
it doesn't change the autopsy.
899
00:48:00,950 --> 00:48:03,360
My mother was beaten to death,
whether it be with a blow poke
900
00:48:03,444 --> 00:48:05,362
or something else,
and Michael Peterson did it.
901
00:48:05,446 --> 00:48:06,947
Amen, sweetheart.
902
00:48:07,031 --> 00:48:09,497
Caitlin Peterson,
where was the weapon found?
903
00:48:10,659 --> 00:48:11,410
Okay. How does this bit sound?
904
00:48:11,494 --> 00:48:15,163
Do you really think
Kathleen knew
905
00:48:15,247 --> 00:48:17,472
Michael was bisexual?
906
00:48:19,251 --> 00:48:21,461
Does that make
common sense to you?
907
00:48:21,545 --> 00:48:25,090
Do you think
it was okay with her
908
00:48:25,174 --> 00:48:27,273
that he was writing
those emails to Brad?
909
00:48:28,135 --> 00:48:29,011
I'm not even going to mention
910
00:48:29,095 --> 00:48:31,805
the rest of what we found
on his computer
911
00:48:31,889 --> 00:48:33,807
because it is obscene.
912
00:48:33,891 --> 00:48:35,907
I-I'm sorry. Obscene?
913
00:48:36,811 --> 00:48:38,117
Obscene.
914
00:48:38,729 --> 00:48:40,314
Is that the best
we got for this guy?
915
00:48:40,398 --> 00:48:44,234
No, he beat his wife like a dog!
916
00:48:44,318 --> 00:48:46,167
I want to nail his ass
to the wall.
917
00:48:59,375 --> 00:49:00,250
Not to mention
918
00:49:00,334 --> 00:49:04,880
the rest of what we found
919
00:49:04,964 --> 00:49:07,313
on Mr. Peterson's computer,
920
00:49:08,008 --> 00:49:09,983
because it is filth.
921
00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:16,933
Pure-T... filth.
922
00:49:29,363 --> 00:49:32,839
This is hardcore porn.
923
00:49:37,329 --> 00:49:39,873
This ain't people involved
in relationships.
924
00:49:39,957 --> 00:49:41,343
This is just any-which-way.
925
00:49:42,793 --> 00:49:47,381
And it is not how
so-called soul mates...
926
00:49:47,465 --> 00:49:49,633
conduct themselves.
927
00:49:49,717 --> 00:49:51,968
Your job is not to decide
928
00:49:52,052 --> 00:49:54,137
whether Michael is innocent.
929
00:49:54,221 --> 00:49:55,389
Your job is to decide
930
00:49:55,473 --> 00:49:58,183
whether the prosecution
931
00:49:58,267 --> 00:50:02,410
has sufficiently proven guilt.
932
00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:04,078
Which they have not.
933
00:50:05,608 --> 00:50:08,402
Their case is riddled
with holes,
934
00:50:08,486 --> 00:50:12,114
unanswered questions,
935
00:50:12,198 --> 00:50:15,757
doubt after reasonable doubt.
936
00:50:24,168 --> 00:50:25,168
The missing murder weapon
937
00:50:25,252 --> 00:50:28,061
isn't missing.
938
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:31,105
And it was never used...
939
00:50:32,593 --> 00:50:34,150
in a murder.
940
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:38,723
There is no credible motive.
941
00:50:38,807 --> 00:50:42,450
And you don't just decide
to kill your wife for no reason.
942
00:50:43,604 --> 00:50:45,355
I think about that old expression,
943
00:50:45,439 --> 00:50:47,441
what if these walls could talk?
944
00:50:47,525 --> 00:50:49,526
Ladies and gentlemen,
945
00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:51,150
the people contend to you
946
00:50:51,235 --> 00:50:52,395
that these walls are talking.
947
00:50:52,754 --> 00:50:55,854
Kathleen Peterson
948
00:50:56,367 --> 00:50:58,243
is talking to us
through the blood
949
00:50:58,327 --> 00:51:01,329
on these walls.
950
00:51:01,413 --> 00:51:04,040
She is screaming out
951
00:51:04,124 --> 00:51:07,085
for truth and for justice.
952
00:51:07,169 --> 00:51:09,045
The defense has told us
953
00:51:09,129 --> 00:51:12,021
Kathleen Peterson died
in an accident.
954
00:51:14,176 --> 00:51:15,482
But Kathleen
955
00:51:16,303 --> 00:51:17,609
is telling us
956
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:20,280
she died of murder.
957
00:51:23,644 --> 00:51:26,146
Kathleen was my life.
958
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:28,732
I've whispered her name
in my heart a thousand times.
959
00:51:32,486 --> 00:51:34,552
I would never have done
anything to hurt her.
960
00:51:37,658 --> 00:51:40,327
And we will prove it in cour.
961
00:51:40,411 --> 00:51:42,287
December 21st, 2001,
962
00:51:42,371 --> 00:51:44,748
Michael Peterson turned
himself in to the police.
963
00:51:44,832 --> 00:51:46,458
Only five years earlier,
964
00:51:46,542 --> 00:51:48,251
the future looked bright
for Michael and Kathleen,
965
00:51:48,335 --> 00:51:51,379
getting married at their
Forest Hills mansion with family.
966
00:51:51,463 --> 00:51:54,898
To Kathleen, our sister.
967
00:51:55,134 --> 00:51:57,525
And to Michael,
968
00:51:58,345 --> 00:52:00,388
our new brother.
969
00:52:00,472 --> 00:52:02,599
Kathleen's
sisters now find themselves
970
00:52:02,683 --> 00:52:04,267
standing with the prosecutio,
971
00:52:04,351 --> 00:52:05,644
hoping for the jury to delivr
972
00:52:05,728 --> 00:52:07,729
some justice for their siste.
973
00:52:07,813 --> 00:52:10,398
Well, it's
going to be a beautiful sunny day today.
974
00:52:10,482 --> 00:52:12,400
And we can expect
much more of the same
975
00:52:12,484 --> 00:52:13,735
over the next
couple of days.
976
00:52:13,819 --> 00:52:14,110
You might want
to do something...
977
00:52:14,194 --> 00:52:16,294
Todd?
978
00:52:18,324 --> 00:52:19,324
Margaret?
979
00:52:21,785 --> 00:52:23,343
Kids?
980
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:59,155
Ms. Forewoman,
would you please pass
981
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,545
the bailiff the verdict?
982
00:53:03,994 --> 00:53:05,300
Thank you.
983
00:53:30,521 --> 00:53:33,273
Now, if you think you're going
to have difficulty
984
00:53:33,357 --> 00:53:34,691
accepting the jury's verdict,
985
00:53:34,775 --> 00:53:37,736
we're going to give you
an opportunity
986
00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:39,377
to leave right now.
987
00:53:44,702 --> 00:53:46,259
Alright, Ms. Clerk.
988
00:53:48,789 --> 00:53:50,415
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
989
00:53:50,499 --> 00:53:52,500
you have returned
the following verdict
990
00:53:52,584 --> 00:53:54,336
in the case of
State of North Carolina
991
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:56,436
versus Michael Iver Peterson.
992
00:53:57,881 --> 00:54:02,483
And...
that's all she wrote.
993
00:54:05,431 --> 00:54:06,779
Want to grab another?
994
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:09,267
We got that nice Pinot
from Bill.
995
00:54:09,351 --> 00:54:12,118
Mm. I should
really call it a day.
996
00:54:13,105 --> 00:54:15,732
I still have
to check that email.
997
00:54:15,816 --> 00:54:18,234
Well,
I don't know who you are,
998
00:54:18,318 --> 00:54:21,237
but my wife never says no
to a second bottle.
999
00:54:21,321 --> 00:54:23,782
Oh, she sounds fun.
1000
00:54:23,866 --> 00:54:25,732
She is.
1001
00:56:29,449 --> 00:56:31,591
Oh hey.
1002
00:56:35,455 --> 00:56:36,804
You're still up.
1003
00:56:42,629 --> 00:56:44,729
What's up?
1004
00:56:47,342 --> 00:56:48,648
Kathleen?
1005
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:52,278
I always knew, I think,
1006
00:56:52,806 --> 00:56:54,447
somewhere underneath.
1007
00:56:55,684 --> 00:56:57,560
I mean, who knows,
maybe I even liked it.
1008
00:56:57,645 --> 00:57:00,120
What are you talking about?
1009
00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:06,167
Why didn't you tell me?
1010
00:57:07,988 --> 00:57:10,281
You could have told me.
It could have been our secret.
1011
00:57:10,365 --> 00:57:11,671
I think...
1012
00:57:12,367 --> 00:57:14,452
Yeah, I-I think I could
have lived with that.
1013
00:57:14,536 --> 00:57:17,011
Kathleen, come on.
What are you talking about?
1014
00:57:21,168 --> 00:57:22,683
I'm talking...
1015
00:57:25,923 --> 00:57:28,814
I'm talking about the porn...
1016
00:57:29,843 --> 00:57:31,678
and the escorts and the men,
1017
00:57:31,762 --> 00:57:34,904
the men, the men!
1018
00:57:40,062 --> 00:57:42,453
Whatever you think you saw...
1019
00:57:42,731 --> 00:57:44,649
you're drunk.
1020
00:57:44,733 --> 00:57:47,041
I'm a writer.
1021
00:57:47,569 --> 00:57:49,794
Alright?
1022
00:57:50,822 --> 00:57:52,240
It's called research.
1023
00:57:52,324 --> 00:57:53,783
Research?
1024
00:57:53,867 --> 00:57:55,424
Oh my God.
1025
00:57:56,328 --> 00:57:58,678
Stop lying, Michael.
1026
00:57:59,498 --> 00:58:03,001
Oh, God, the lying!
1027
00:58:03,085 --> 00:58:06,462
The arrogance, the selfishness.
1028
00:58:06,546 --> 00:58:07,547
I mean, Jesus!
1029
00:58:07,631 --> 00:58:10,967
You have managed me
and humiliated me,
1030
00:58:11,051 --> 00:58:12,760
and I swore to myself
that I would never be
1031
00:58:12,844 --> 00:58:14,817
this woman again,
this fucking victim.
1032
00:58:14,902 --> 00:58:17,021
Kathleen, come on. Come on.
1033
00:58:17,106 --> 00:58:18,545
This is ridiculous.
Let's just...
1034
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:20,334
Oh no, you don't, pal.
Not this time.
1035
00:58:20,419 --> 00:58:22,854
No, no, you don't get to Michael
Peterson your way out of this.
1036
00:58:22,938 --> 00:58:24,647
- Listen to me.
- No.
1037
00:58:24,731 --> 00:58:27,540
No, you listen to me!
1038
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:44,849
I am, I am your wife.
1039
00:58:52,592 --> 00:58:54,859
And I'm, I'm leaving you.
1040
00:58:55,095 --> 00:58:57,180
No, you're not.
1041
00:58:57,264 --> 00:58:59,849
You're, you're tired
and you're drunk...
1042
00:58:59,933 --> 00:59:00,850
I am not drunk!
Stop saying that.
1043
00:59:00,934 --> 00:59:04,395
I am not drunk. I am leaving!
1044
00:59:04,479 --> 00:59:06,731
I am done
playing house with you!
1045
00:59:06,815 --> 00:59:08,399
Lower your voice.
Lower your voice, Kathleen.
1046
00:59:08,483 --> 00:59:09,317
You are nothing
but a fucking fraud.
1047
00:59:09,401 --> 00:59:13,029
You are nothing
but a thief and a con man.
1048
00:59:13,113 --> 00:59:15,156
And you have nothing.
1049
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,784
You are nothing.
Do you hear me, Michael?
1050
00:59:17,868 --> 00:59:19,786
I have given my whole life
1051
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:20,954
to a pathetic
closet case nothing!
1052
00:59:21,038 --> 00:59:24,040
I said shut up!
1053
00:59:24,124 --> 00:59:25,430
Oh!
1054
00:59:31,173 --> 00:59:32,382
Stop!
1055
00:59:41,808 --> 00:59:43,114
Oh my God.
1056
00:59:44,811 --> 00:59:45,917
Oh God.
1057
00:59:46,002 --> 00:59:48,143
Kathleen. Fuck!
1058
00:59:49,441 --> 00:59:50,747
Just... Oh my God.
1059
00:59:54,279 --> 00:59:55,947
Oh fuck. Fuck!
1060
00:59:56,031 --> 00:59:57,337
Fuck.
1061
01:00:01,328 --> 01:00:03,219
Oh God.
1062
01:00:05,123 --> 01:00:08,334
Alright. Okay?
Here you go.
1063
01:00:08,418 --> 01:00:11,671
No. No, honey.
Honey, it's okay.
1064
01:00:11,755 --> 01:00:13,756
Here you go. You're okay.
1065
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,758
You see? You're alright.
1066
01:00:15,842 --> 01:00:17,191
No, no, no.
1067
01:00:21,848 --> 01:00:23,280
You're alright. It's okay.
1068
01:00:23,934 --> 01:00:25,268
It's okay.
1069
01:00:25,352 --> 01:00:26,858
Uh, you tripped.
1070
01:00:52,254 --> 01:00:54,130
Oh God. Baby.
1071
01:00:58,510 --> 01:01:00,067
Honey, you're alright.
1072
01:01:00,554 --> 01:01:02,111
Okay. Okay.
1073
01:01:06,268 --> 01:01:08,701
Kathleen?
1074
01:01:09,771 --> 01:01:11,773
Kathleen.
1075
01:01:40,594 --> 01:01:42,678
Ms. Foreperson,
on behalf of the jury,
1076
01:01:42,762 --> 01:01:44,445
do you affirm this verdict?
1077
01:01:45,765 --> 01:01:47,573
ForewoYes.
1078
01:01:49,936 --> 01:01:52,661
Mr. Peterson, would you
please stand where you are?
1079
01:01:57,194 --> 01:01:58,361
Is there
anything that you would like to say
1080
01:01:58,445 --> 01:02:00,711
before the court
imposes sentencing?
1081
01:02:02,741 --> 01:02:04,047
I would only...
1082
01:02:07,454 --> 01:02:08,704
It's okay.
1083
01:02:08,788 --> 01:02:10,930
It's okay.
1084
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,558
It's okay.
1085
01:02:14,961 --> 01:02:16,254
It's okay.
1086
01:02:19,466 --> 01:02:21,997
Alright, Ms.
Clerk, the defendant is imprisoned
1087
01:02:22,091 --> 01:02:24,679
to the state of North Carolina
Department of Corrections
1088
01:02:24,763 --> 01:02:26,889
for the remainder
of his natural life
1089
01:02:26,973 --> 01:02:28,697
without the benefit of parole.
1090
01:02:30,477 --> 01:02:33,023
Bailiff, would you please take
the prisoner into custody?
1091
01:03:02,634 --> 01:03:03,676
Hold here.
1092
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,568
You'll be taken outside
in a minute.
1093
01:03:36,001 --> 01:03:37,307
Not now, Jean. Please.
1094
01:03:55,395 --> 01:03:58,495
- Are you alright?
- No, I'm not.
1095
01:04:01,735 --> 01:04:03,834
I'm scared.
1096
01:04:07,991 --> 01:04:09,715
Okay, Sophie.
1097
01:04:12,412 --> 01:04:13,927
Let's try this again.
1098
01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:18,519
What is your relationship
with Michael Peterson?
1099
01:04:26,593 --> 01:04:28,594
It's okay.
1100
01:04:28,678 --> 01:04:30,263
Mr. Peterson, would
you please stand where you are?
1101
01:04:30,347 --> 01:04:31,889
Alright, Ms. Clerk.
1102
01:04:31,973 --> 01:04:34,183
The defendant is imprisoned
to the state of North Carolina
1103
01:04:34,267 --> 01:04:37,103
Department of Corrections
1104
01:04:37,187 --> 01:04:39,188
for the remainder
of his natural life
1105
01:04:39,272 --> 01:04:40,564
without the benefit of parol.
1106
01:04:42,233 --> 01:04:43,651
Bailiff,
would you please take
1107
01:04:43,735 --> 01:04:45,194
the prisoner into custody.
1108
01:04:45,278 --> 01:04:46,612
Dear Michael...
1109
01:04:46,696 --> 01:04:49,630
you don't know me,
but I know you.
1110
01:04:53,828 --> 01:04:56,163
I've followed your story
with bated breath,
1111
01:04:56,247 --> 01:04:58,847
hoping for the exoneration
you so deserve.
1112
01:05:01,836 --> 01:05:04,130
I know you're innocent
and that you and your family
1113
01:05:04,214 --> 01:05:07,231
have been failed
by a broken justice system.
1114
01:05:11,971 --> 01:05:14,015
I know because I've seen it,
1115
01:05:14,099 --> 01:05:16,073
moment by moment,
frame by frame.
1116
01:05:31,991 --> 01:05:35,411
And rest assured,
while you wait for freedom,
1117
01:05:35,495 --> 01:05:37,386
your story will be told.
1118
01:05:38,289 --> 01:05:40,055
I will tell it for you.
1119
01:05:40,834 --> 01:05:42,084
Sincerely yours,
1120
01:05:42,168 --> 01:05:43,767
Sophie.
1121
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:47,145
Hm?
1122
01:05:52,345 --> 01:05:54,680
Kathleen and I
were watching a movie,
1123
01:05:54,764 --> 01:05:57,433
um, "America's Sweethearts."
1124
01:05:57,517 --> 01:06:00,534
I-I think it was probably
around 11 o'clock.
1125
01:06:00,645 --> 01:06:02,063
Um...
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