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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,143 --> 00:00:11,726 (wind blowing) 4 00:00:14,811 --> 00:00:17,561 (dramatic music) 5 00:00:28,405 --> 00:00:31,155 (dramatic music) 6 00:00:45,673 --> 00:00:48,256 (gentle music) 7 00:01:03,490 --> 00:01:06,407 (thunder rumbling) 8 00:01:27,387 --> 00:01:30,054 (gentle music) 9 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:39,770 {\an8}I grew up hearing stories 10 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:41,243 from the pages of the Bible, 11 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,113 {\an8}and now I'm searching for the places where they happened. 12 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:54,070 This question led me to the 13 00:01:54,070 --> 00:01:56,560 {\an8}ancient lands of the Middle East 14 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,690 {\an8}searching for patterns of evidence 15 00:01:58,690 --> 00:02:01,323 {\an8}that match the biblical events. 16 00:02:01,323 --> 00:02:04,656 {\an8}(gentle dramatic music) 17 00:02:09,113 --> 00:02:13,063 {\an8}I wasn't prepared for what would be revealed. 18 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,533 (gentle dramatic music) 19 00:02:26,481 --> 00:02:29,064 (camera beeps) 20 00:02:36,228 --> 00:02:38,978 (engine humming) 21 00:02:42,445 --> 00:02:45,028 (gentle music) 22 00:02:52,979 --> 00:02:55,180 For almost two decades now, 23 00:02:55,180 --> 00:02:59,140 I have traveled the world meeting biblical explorers. 24 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:02,290 They have been searching for evidence of the Exodus journey, 25 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:05,913 one of the most foundational accounts of the entire Bible. 26 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:08,685 Smell the coffee. 27 00:03:08,685 --> 00:03:09,518 The aroma. 28 00:03:09,518 --> 00:03:11,970 They've been looking for the true locations 29 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:14,070 of the miraculous sea crossing 30 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:18,640 and the mountain where God met the Israelites: Mount Sinai. 31 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,690 {\an8}We'll break camp at 6:45 in the morning. 32 00:03:21,690 --> 00:03:24,760 {\an8}Break camp, we'll be on the way at about 7:15, 33 00:03:26,285 --> 00:03:30,222 {\an8}and that right there is our destination. 34 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:37,030 I was intrigued by the fact 35 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:39,620 that sometimes ordinary people, 36 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:42,380 frustrated by mainstream scholars' claims 37 00:03:42,380 --> 00:03:45,980 that there was no evidence for these biblical events, 38 00:03:45,980 --> 00:03:49,563 took it upon themselves to search for archaeological proof. 39 00:03:51,810 --> 00:03:55,170 These explorers claimed to have found the remains 40 00:03:55,170 --> 00:03:57,460 of coral-encrusted chariot wheels 41 00:03:57,460 --> 00:03:59,854 on the bottom of the Red Sea. 42 00:03:59,854 --> 00:04:02,437 (gentle music) 43 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,140 {\an8}So, what are your thoughts 44 00:04:15,140 --> 00:04:16,893 {\an8}on finding proof for the Exodus? 45 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:22,970 {\an8}I'm happy for the people who are trying 46 00:04:22,970 --> 00:04:25,870 {\an8}to quote, "prove the Exodus," 47 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:27,833 in the sense that it's an adventure. 48 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:31,900 It's a goal that, in my opinion, 49 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:35,570 is unachievable in one's lifetime. 50 00:04:35,570 --> 00:04:36,790 No one else has been able to do it 51 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:38,315 over the last 2,000 years. 52 00:04:38,315 --> 00:04:41,065 (dramatic music) 53 00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:46,610 However, investigating the Exodus journey 54 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:48,763 brings up an even greater challenge. 55 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,940 {\an8}There are many miracles in the book of Exodus. 56 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:56,860 Whether the Red Sea parted is a miracle. 57 00:04:56,860 --> 00:04:59,423 Whether the ten plagues happened is a miracle. 58 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:05,723 Archaeology cannot prove or disprove a miracle. 59 00:05:06,910 --> 00:05:08,610 When I look at the Exodus story 60 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:10,460 through the eyes of a scientist, 61 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:13,460 {\an8}then it contains a lot of observations, 62 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:16,410 {\an8}which just make sense to modern science. 63 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:19,090 Why is it important to think about these things? 64 00:05:19,090 --> 00:05:22,060 {\an8}At the end of the day, we're really talking about 65 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:25,503 {\an8}a miraculous event of unprecedented proportion. 66 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,210 It isn't any wonder that the prophets 67 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:32,550 constantly hark back to the land of Egypt, 68 00:05:32,550 --> 00:05:36,978 and to the Exodus event as it becomes a paradigm 69 00:05:36,978 --> 00:05:41,978 of God's miraculous saving power. 70 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,910 Over the last few decades Dr. Barry Beitzel 71 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:50,640 has been one of the most respected biblical geographers. 72 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,420 He has published numerous books 73 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:54,520 and articles on biblical geography, 74 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,130 including "The New Moody Atlas of the Bible". 75 00:05:58,130 --> 00:06:00,270 To be able to flesh out 76 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:04,180 some of the details of the miracle, and it allows 77 00:06:04,180 --> 00:06:07,363 an event to be placed onto the Earth so to speak. 78 00:06:07,363 --> 00:06:09,180 It's not just in our minds. 79 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:10,660 It's not just a myth. 80 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:13,870 It happened in time and space, 81 00:06:13,870 --> 00:06:15,550 and we're just trying to flesh out 82 00:06:15,550 --> 00:06:19,203 a little bit more what that space might look like. 83 00:06:21,143 --> 00:06:22,568 (gentle music) 84 00:06:22,568 --> 00:06:23,865 {\an8}(engines revving) 85 00:06:23,865 --> 00:06:26,520 {\an8}(horn honks) 86 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,270 {\an8}This story of the Exodus sea crossing 87 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:33,233 is where it all began for me over 18 years ago. 88 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:38,110 I can't explain exactly 89 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:40,730 why I've been so taken with this account 90 00:06:40,730 --> 00:06:42,740 that I would risk my own business 91 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:46,600 and personal life to explore these questions. 92 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,543 I just knew it was something I had to pursue. 93 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:52,480 And after all those years, 94 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,610 I did find a pattern of evidence 95 00:06:54,610 --> 00:06:58,230 showing that the Exodus and conquest happened, 96 00:06:58,230 --> 00:07:00,450 and that Moses really could have written 97 00:07:00,450 --> 00:07:04,321 about these events as an eyewitness account. 98 00:07:04,321 --> 00:07:05,880 (gentle music) 99 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,510 However, there are still major questions 100 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:10,640 about where the Israelites traveled, 101 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,340 what sea they crossed, 102 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:14,591 and where Mount Sinai really is. 103 00:07:14,591 --> 00:07:17,508 (thunder rumbling) 104 00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:20,980 In fact, after Israel gained control 105 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:24,340 of the Sinai Peninsula in 1967, 106 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:27,593 they searched extensively for evidence of their history. 107 00:07:28,570 --> 00:07:30,920 But no trace of the Exodus journey 108 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,563 was found at the traditional locations. 109 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,123 But have we been looking in the right places? 110 00:07:37,990 --> 00:07:40,550 If we can determine which sea was crossed, 111 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:43,903 it could give clues about where to look for Mount Sinai. 112 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,020 So now for me the first issue in the Exodus journey, 113 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:51,450 is the Red Sea miracle. 114 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:53,620 What sea was really parted 115 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:55,853 and could there still be evidence? 116 00:07:59,009 --> 00:08:01,440 (birds chirping) 117 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,410 One thing I've discovered in this investigation 118 00:08:04,410 --> 00:08:06,830 is that there are two main approaches 119 00:08:06,830 --> 00:08:10,660 that explain this event in very different ways. 120 00:08:10,660 --> 00:08:13,820 The first I call the Egyptian approach. 121 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:18,300 It sees the events of the Exodus happening on a small scale 122 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:20,110 and puts the sea crossing at one of 123 00:08:20,110 --> 00:08:23,580 the swampy lakes near Egypt's border. 124 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:26,620 Those using this Egyptian approach tend to explain 125 00:08:26,620 --> 00:08:30,650 the parting of the waters by natural forces, such as wind. 126 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:34,670 This is by far the majority view among scholars today. 127 00:08:34,670 --> 00:08:37,840 The second view I call the Hebrew approach. 128 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,767 It sees the events of the Exodus on a much larger scale 129 00:08:41,767 --> 00:08:45,760 and places the miraculous sea crossing far from Egypt 130 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,630 at the Red Sea's Gulf of Aqaba. 131 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:50,510 This is because they emphasize 132 00:08:50,510 --> 00:08:52,920 the entire narrative of the Bible, 133 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,560 which they believe geographically points to this location 134 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,370 and describes a big miracle 135 00:08:58,370 --> 00:09:02,060 that could only be explained by the power of God. 136 00:09:02,060 --> 00:09:03,650 And some people I interviewed 137 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:06,950 had a combination of both views. 138 00:09:06,950 --> 00:09:10,490 The difference between these two approaches is dramatic. 139 00:09:10,490 --> 00:09:13,500 One interprets the Exodus as very small 140 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,220 and the other as very large. 141 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:19,550 This also applies to the question of miracles. 142 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:22,950 Was it a big miracle or was it a small miracle? 143 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:24,920 Because where you put the sea crossing 144 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,883 determines the scale of the miracle required. 145 00:09:29,357 --> 00:09:31,521 (film projector rolling) 146 00:09:31,521 --> 00:09:34,530 (gentle music) 147 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:35,970 No one has done more 148 00:09:35,970 --> 00:09:38,810 to influence how I envisioned the Exodus 149 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:41,250 and the miraculous parting of the sea, 150 00:09:41,250 --> 00:09:44,593 than legendary film director Cecil B. DeMille. 151 00:09:45,510 --> 00:09:48,267 He created Hollywood's biggest biblical epic, 152 00:09:48,267 --> 00:09:50,180 "The Ten Commandments", 153 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:54,303 and he made it twice, the first time in 1923. 154 00:09:55,660 --> 00:09:57,920 The Bible says that a family of people 155 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,370 called the Israelites spent centuries living in Egypt 156 00:10:01,370 --> 00:10:03,252 where they were enslaved. 157 00:10:03,252 --> 00:10:05,940 (dramatic music) 158 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:07,820 After ten great plagues 159 00:10:07,820 --> 00:10:10,310 and the death of his firstborn son, 160 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:12,670 Pharaoh finally agreed to let the Israelites 161 00:10:12,670 --> 00:10:17,344 leave Egypt under the leadership of a man named Moses. 162 00:10:17,344 --> 00:10:21,011 (dramatic theatrical music) 163 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:26,143 {\an8}Moses is one of the world's greatest human beings, 164 00:10:27,347 --> 00:10:29,893 and human he was, to the point of sin, 165 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,253 and holy to the point of seeing God, 166 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:37,140 and receiving from him the law 167 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:41,403 by which men may live in peace and freedom: 168 00:10:42,807 --> 00:10:44,792 "The Ten Commandments". 169 00:10:44,792 --> 00:10:48,459 (dramatic theatrical music) 170 00:10:50,139 --> 00:10:54,370 In 1956, DeMille remade "The Ten Commandments" 171 00:10:54,370 --> 00:10:59,050 into a three-and-a-half-hour epic which became a sensation. 172 00:10:59,050 --> 00:11:00,670 For the last 50 years, 173 00:11:00,670 --> 00:11:03,000 it has aired nationally on television 174 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,373 during the Easter and Passover season. 175 00:11:06,830 --> 00:11:08,100 I traveled to Hollywood 176 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,333 to meet Demille's granddaughter, Cece, 177 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:13,893 and I asked her about her grandfather's work. 178 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,990 Why did he spend so much of his career 179 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:20,270 {\an8}making those types of films? 180 00:11:20,270 --> 00:11:21,330 {\an8}Because he loved the Bible. 181 00:11:21,330 --> 00:11:24,650 {\an8}He thought the greatest stories were in the Bible. 182 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:26,090 Because it's fascinating. 183 00:11:26,090 --> 00:11:28,967 You don't have to make them up, they're there. 184 00:11:28,967 --> 00:11:31,680 DeMille's research influenced the depiction 185 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,470 of these biblical events that shaped the culture's 186 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:37,952 understanding of the Exodus for generations. 187 00:11:37,952 --> 00:11:40,370 The wind opened the sea! 188 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:42,680 With its miraculous parting of the sea 189 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:46,450 where the Israelites walked between walls of water to safety 190 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,419 and God destroying Egypt's army. 191 00:11:49,419 --> 00:11:51,410 No, no! 192 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:52,680 To Moses receiving 193 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:54,713 the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai, 194 00:11:56,750 --> 00:12:00,170 I can see why DeMille was attracted to this story, 195 00:12:00,170 --> 00:12:03,173 and it's why I'm attracted to it as well. 196 00:12:03,173 --> 00:12:05,300 Behold his mighty hand! 197 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,550 Interestingly, DeMille's spectacular 198 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:12,740 deep sea parting was in line with the Hebrew approach. 199 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:14,930 But was this biblical event 200 00:12:14,930 --> 00:12:18,320 really as miraculous as DeMille depicted? 201 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,883 Or was that just a Hollywood invention? 202 00:12:26,207 --> 00:12:29,207 (lively rock music) 203 00:12:34,780 --> 00:12:37,730 Dr. Glen Fritz has been a competitive triathlete 204 00:12:37,730 --> 00:12:39,433 for more than 40 years. 205 00:12:40,270 --> 00:12:43,360 He is also an environmental geographer who has studied 206 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,600 the question of the Red Sea location for over two decades. 207 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,340 He takes the Hebrew approach, 208 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:52,090 and over the years I've interviewed him multiple times. 209 00:12:54,077 --> 00:12:57,460 The interesting thing about the parting of the sea 210 00:12:57,460 --> 00:13:00,460 is that it had to be one of the greatest miracles 211 00:13:00,460 --> 00:13:02,000 that one could imagine. Yeah. 212 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,527 Because the Bible says that the countries around them 213 00:13:08,530 --> 00:13:11,660 had heard about their deliverance through the sea. 214 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:14,697 Dr. Fritz published his thesis in a book, 215 00:13:14,697 --> 00:13:17,490 "The Lost Sea of the Exodus". 216 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:19,710 He believes that for centuries 217 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:22,220 scholars have misplaced key locations 218 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:25,270 for the Israelites' journey out of Egypt. 219 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:27,867 Tim, the first question most people ask is, 220 00:13:27,867 --> 00:13:29,357 "Where is Mount Sinai? 221 00:13:29,357 --> 00:13:32,170 "We wanna know where this mountain was." 222 00:13:32,170 --> 00:13:34,590 {\an8}My first question as a geographer is 223 00:13:34,590 --> 00:13:36,610 {\an8}where was the sea of the Exodus? 224 00:13:36,610 --> 00:13:39,440 {\an8}Where was this sea that was parted and crossed? 225 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,000 And the reason I want to know that is because 226 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,390 it gives me the direction of the route from Egypt, 227 00:13:45,390 --> 00:13:47,170 and it also gives me a big hint 228 00:13:47,170 --> 00:13:50,051 about the location of Mount Sinai. 229 00:13:50,051 --> 00:13:50,980 (gentle music) 230 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:53,140 Dr. Fritz has built a case 231 00:13:53,140 --> 00:13:55,420 that the sea crossed in the Exodus 232 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:58,800 was far from Egypt, at the Gulf of Aqaba, 233 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,580 and not one of the border lakes near Egypt. 234 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:04,853 However, traditionally there was a third option. 235 00:14:05,891 --> 00:14:08,474 (wind blowing) 236 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,510 Examining maps that were centuries old, 237 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:19,010 I could see that they all put the Exodus sea crossing 238 00:14:19,010 --> 00:14:21,330 at the Gulf of Suez. 239 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:25,070 This highlights the fact that for 2,000 years, 240 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:28,000 the traditional understanding was that the north end 241 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,457 of Suez was where the miracle at the sea took place. 242 00:14:32,457 --> 00:14:33,884 (gentle dramatic music) 243 00:14:33,884 --> 00:14:37,100 (wind blowing) 244 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,060 In the mid 1800s, 245 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:43,160 the famed explorers Edward Robinson and Eli Smith 246 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,890 searched for the route of the Exodus journey 247 00:14:45,890 --> 00:14:47,500 and believed they found sites 248 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:49,730 that matched the Bible's account 249 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:54,303 all oriented, again, to a sea crossing at the Gulf of Suez. 250 00:14:56,630 --> 00:15:00,450 However, none of the Exodus locations mentioned in the Bible 251 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:03,150 have ever been established with certainty. 252 00:15:03,150 --> 00:15:06,980 In fact, many maps of the Exodus route found in Bibles 253 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:09,180 and atlases show question marks 254 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:11,513 next to all the proposed sites. 255 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,720 As time went on, 256 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,400 scholars started to propose that the Gulf of Suez shoreline 257 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,843 once extended much further northward. 258 00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:25,020 Here's a map from 1891 259 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:30,020 showing the sea encroaching over the isthmus of Suez. 260 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:33,510 Here it says, "Ancient shore of the Red Sea," 261 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:37,620 showing it inland, and this map shows an Exodus route 262 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:42,410 crossing this ancient shore of the inland sea. 263 00:15:42,410 --> 00:15:44,510 Yeah, why would they have thought that? 264 00:15:44,510 --> 00:15:46,570 The first purpose was to bring 265 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:49,580 the crossing closer to the land of Goshen. 266 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:51,550 Then there was also the strong drive 267 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:54,430 to have a non-miraculous shallow water 268 00:15:54,430 --> 00:15:58,330 explanation for using winds and tides, 269 00:15:58,330 --> 00:16:00,010 so that you didn't have to have 270 00:16:00,010 --> 00:16:02,870 the miraculous parting of the sea. 271 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:05,440 However, the geological history shows 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,030 that at the time of the Exodus 3500 years ago 273 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:13,380 the sea level was about a meter lower than it is now, 274 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:16,430 and the land levels have not changed geologically 275 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:19,310 in that particular area of the isthmus. 276 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:22,260 So there couldn't have been that theory. 277 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:25,650 These theories of crossing an inland sea 278 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:27,731 literally don't hold water. 279 00:16:27,731 --> 00:16:30,564 {\an8}(birds chirping) 280 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,250 Was there a naturalistic way 281 00:16:37,250 --> 00:16:39,523 to explain this miraculous event? 282 00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:44,130 At the same time these shallow water 283 00:16:44,130 --> 00:16:46,700 Exodus views were becoming vogue, 284 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:51,231 naturalistic thinking was also taking hold in other fields. 285 00:16:51,231 --> 00:16:52,980 (dramatic music) 286 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:55,520 In the early days, many archaeologists 287 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,890 wanted to find evidence to prove the Bible. 288 00:16:58,890 --> 00:17:01,350 In part, this was in response to threats 289 00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:04,913 from a new theory with evolutionary ideas. 290 00:17:04,913 --> 00:17:07,520 (dramatic music) 291 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,820 I went to the Petrie Museum at University College, London. 292 00:17:11,820 --> 00:17:15,100 Egyptologist Chris Naunton is the former director 293 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,650 of the Egypt Exploration Society 294 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:19,060 {\an8}and the current president of the 295 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:22,500 {\an8}International Association of Egyptologists. 296 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,000 I know that biblical archaeology was one thing 297 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,820 that people were looking for in Egypt. 298 00:17:26,820 --> 00:17:30,940 Yes, the very earliest archaeologists working in Egypt, 299 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:34,730 some of them at least, were particularly interested 300 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:36,920 in identifying sites which could be connected 301 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,420 with the Old Testament narrative. 302 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:41,870 You have to remember, I think, that many of those people 303 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:43,640 came from the Western tradition. 304 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,720 They came from Christian societies 305 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,430 and were also set in the second half of the 19th century 306 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:52,070 in the period when there was a reaction among 307 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:56,000 some elements in the scholarly community against Darwinism, 308 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,860 which was seen as a kind of threat to Christian beliefs, 309 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:01,970 and so there was a counter reaction 310 00:18:01,970 --> 00:18:04,720 to that to try to establish evidence 311 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,348 that the Old Testament narrative was real. 312 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:09,380 (dramatic music) 313 00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:12,810 Over time, attitudes in the scholarly community 314 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:15,852 became more skeptical toward the Bible. 315 00:18:15,852 --> 00:18:18,685 (birds chirping) 316 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,710 In the late 1800s, 317 00:18:21,710 --> 00:18:25,260 the prominent German egyptologist Heinrich Brugsch 318 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:28,800 popularized a new theory that was a major development 319 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,723 in the Egyptian approach. 320 00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:33,110 He proposed that the crossing 321 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:36,600 was not through the Red Sea's Gulf of Suez at all, 322 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,390 but at a shallow lake north of Suez. 323 00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:42,723 (gentle dramatic music) 324 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:48,700 However, not all scholars at the time 325 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,740 were persuaded by this thinking, 326 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:52,670 including Charles Beke, 327 00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:55,344 one of England's preeminent geographers. 328 00:18:55,344 --> 00:18:58,500 (gentle dramatic music) 329 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,670 After meeting with Brugsch, 330 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:04,200 Beke was not impressed with his use of Egyptian inscriptions 331 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,380 to determine the location of the Exodus sea crossing. 332 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:10,190 Beke believed that the Bible clearly 333 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:13,163 put the crossing at the Gulf of Aqaba, 334 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:16,560 and it was in the deep waters of Aqaba 335 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,920 that the Exodus explorers were searching 336 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,412 for the remains of Pharaoh's army on the seafloor. 337 00:19:23,412 --> 00:19:26,240 (gentle dramatic music) 338 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,790 Yet over time, 339 00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:31,870 an Exodus crossing site at one of the shallow border lakes 340 00:19:31,870 --> 00:19:35,083 became the standard view of biblical studies. 341 00:19:40,062 --> 00:19:42,729 {\an8}(gentle music) 342 00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:48,690 {\an8}In 2002, I traveled with Exodus explorer Dr. Lennart Möller. 343 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:50,990 Even this lake is suggested. 344 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:53,910 I don't understand that, but that is also a suggestion. 345 00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:56,750 {\an8}He's a Swedish DNA research scientist, 346 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:59,610 {\an8}who wrote the book "The Exodus Case". 347 00:19:59,610 --> 00:20:01,773 He takes the Hebrew approach. 348 00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:05,730 We were investigating lakes on the border of Egypt 349 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:09,560 that have been proposed as potential crossing sites. 350 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,090 It's a very shallow lake, 351 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:14,363 and it's filled with many, many small islands. 352 00:20:15,570 --> 00:20:17,560 A question that comes to mind 353 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,420 is how a crossing at one of these shallow lakes 354 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:24,393 fits the Bible's claim that it happened at the Red Sea? 355 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:30,200 In the original biblical Hebrew used by Moses, 356 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,790 the name of this sea was Yam Suph. 357 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:35,810 Yam does mean sea, 358 00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:38,330 but scholars agree that the word Suph 359 00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:41,865 in Hebrew does not actually mean red. 360 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:45,850 The miracle of the deliverance 361 00:20:45,850 --> 00:20:48,290 of Israel occurred at the Red Sea. 362 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,510 That's what our English Bibles say, 363 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:53,890 and we get that understanding, Red Sea, 364 00:20:53,890 --> 00:20:57,090 comes directly from the Greek translation 365 00:20:57,090 --> 00:20:58,100 of the Hebrew Bible. 366 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:00,210 Look, the word for red, 367 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:03,570 ironically, the word for the color red, 368 00:21:03,570 --> 00:21:06,130 occurs more frequently in the book of Exodus, 369 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,070 than in any other Old Testament book. 370 00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:09,520 Oh, really? If Moses had wanted 371 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,950 to say the Red Sea, he had a Hebrew word right there. 372 00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:14,200 The same word that he uses 373 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,460 for some of the dye in the tabernacle 374 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:19,110 and some of the dye in the high priest's clothing 375 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:20,780 and so forth. 376 00:21:20,780 --> 00:21:22,260 But, he doesn't use the word. 377 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:23,093 He doesn't. 378 00:21:23,093 --> 00:21:24,960 He doesn't use the word red that's right. 379 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:27,410 The term Yam Suph, 380 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:29,023 which was the sea or the body of water 381 00:21:29,023 --> 00:21:31,040 that was crossed by the Israelites, 382 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,590 has never been translated into English. 383 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:35,840 {\an8}The first time that Yam Suph was translated, 384 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,120 {\an8}was in the Septuagint, which was the translation 385 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:44,120 {\an8}of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek in 250 BC. 386 00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:47,540 The Septuagint work was done in Alexandria 387 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:50,200 by a group of about 70 Hebrew scholars. 388 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,810 But they were Hellenized Hebrews, 389 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,240 and they also had Greek geography 390 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,500 as the basis of their understanding of the world. 391 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:58,850 Now these scholars, 392 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:01,170 {\an8}when they came to the term Yam Suph 393 00:22:01,170 --> 00:22:05,340 {\an8}instead of delving into it or transliterating it, 394 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:07,950 {\an8}they translated it as Red Sea. 395 00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:10,490 The Red Sea was basically the only body of water 396 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:14,473 that was thought to exist adjacent to Egypt. 397 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:19,470 Since Red Sea was just a geographical interpretation 398 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:21,620 by the Septuagint translation, 399 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:24,463 I needed to know more about the original term. 400 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,000 If the Hebrew Yam means sea, 401 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,000 the question remains what does the word Suph really mean? 402 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:36,940 This would become one of the key questions 403 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:39,720 of the entire investigation. 404 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Because how one defines suph 405 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,837 can determine where one locates the crossing 406 00:22:44,837 --> 00:22:48,093 and what type of miracle that would require. 407 00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:51,949 (upbeat music) 408 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,890 In 2002, after my first trip to Egypt, 409 00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:00,740 {\an8}our film crew stopped in England 410 00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:03,330 {\an8}to conduct a series of interviews. 411 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:07,550 {\an8}The first was in Liverpool with Professor Alan Millard. 412 00:23:07,550 --> 00:23:09,150 He is one of the leading experts 413 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:12,110 on the languages of the ancient Near East, 414 00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:13,760 and he has authored many books 415 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,880 including "Discoveries From Bible Times". 416 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,373 He takes the Egyptian approach. 417 00:23:20,350 --> 00:23:23,960 {\an8}Let's talk a little bit about the word Yam Suph. 418 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,840 {\an8}Tell me what is the definition, 419 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,440 in your opinion, of that word? 420 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,410 This is a Hebrew expression, Yam Suph. 421 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,990 The word yam is the Hebrew word for sea, 422 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:37,730 as a body of water, not necessarily an ocean, 423 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:39,890 and, suph is a Hebrew word, 424 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:43,350 probably borrowed from Egyptian, meaning reeds. 425 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:45,200 So the Sea of Reeds, 426 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,340 is the proper translation of that expression. 427 00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:51,420 Everyone in the Egyptian approach 428 00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:55,670 accepts this Sea of Reeds definition for Yam Suph. 429 00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:57,580 This highlights the fact that there are 430 00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:01,500 three main terms used for the sea of the Exodus 431 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:04,270 that have developed over the centuries. 432 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:06,320 Placing them on the wall of time, 433 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,470 I could see that first came the Hebrew word Yam Suph. 434 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:15,190 It shows up in the book of Exodus around 1450 BC, 435 00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:16,840 and it has always been called 436 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,533 Yam Suph in Hebrew to this day. 437 00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:23,120 Then this location name was identified 438 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,300 as the Red Sea in the Septuagint, 439 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,923 the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. 440 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:33,060 Finally, some scholars began to translate 441 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:37,350 the Hebrew term Yam Suph as Sea of Reeds. 442 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:40,910 For a long time it was thought that this Sea of Reeds 443 00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:45,033 was the same place as the Red Sea at the Gulf of Suez. 444 00:24:49,050 --> 00:24:50,930 But a significant change came 445 00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:53,800 with the birth of modern Egyptology, 446 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,870 which in time would be incorporated 447 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:58,836 into the Egyptian approach to the Exodus. 448 00:24:58,836 --> 00:25:02,160 (gentle music) 449 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,040 The Egyptian group started to look at connections 450 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,320 between Egyptian and biblical words, 451 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,190 especially the name Yam Suph, which they connected 452 00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:15,570 with an Egyptian location named Pa Tufy, 453 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:18,940 which means the place of reeds in Egyptian 454 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:21,450 and was in the Nile Delta. 455 00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:23,290 They believed this fit well 456 00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:26,770 with a Sea of Reeds definition for Yam Suph, 457 00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:28,860 and it also lined up with the fact 458 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:31,533 that the Red Sea has no reeds. 459 00:25:33,674 --> 00:25:36,341 (gentle music) 460 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:39,970 A spectacular miracle at a deep sea 461 00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:42,240 is what I learned about growing up 462 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,950 and it appears to be what DeMille 463 00:25:43,950 --> 00:25:47,812 was demonstrating in "The Ten Commandments". 464 00:25:47,812 --> 00:25:49,920 (people shouting) 465 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,920 But if the common view today is that 466 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,970 the Red Sea miracle was through a shallow lake 467 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:57,710 that could be explained by natural causes, 468 00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:59,750 it makes me question what God's role 469 00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:01,633 would have been in this scenario. 470 00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:05,260 Or do I need to change my understanding 471 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:07,911 of how God works in the world? 472 00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:11,350 (camera shutters) 473 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:14,280 I grew up in a family that for generations 474 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,973 believed that these biblical accounts were true. 475 00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:21,420 Now, my own grandchildren will be asking questions 476 00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:24,310 about the Bible and these miracles 477 00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:26,900 because the Exodus is filled with them, 478 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,913 and I want to give them a confident response. 479 00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:34,290 As in my past films, 480 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:37,140 I decided to take a closer look at the Bible 481 00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:39,480 to see what it was actually saying. 482 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,120 Was there a pattern of evidence 483 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,103 that fit either of the two main approaches? 484 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:46,530 Looking at the text, 485 00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:50,530 I could see that this question is about time and distance. 486 00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:55,400 I identified six primary steps of the Exodus journey. 487 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,300 Zooming into the wall of time 488 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,510 during the year of the Exodus, 489 00:26:59,510 --> 00:27:01,840 I can place the six steps of the journey 490 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,290 during a period of around seven weeks 491 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:07,120 from the time when the Israelites left Egypt, 492 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:11,450 crossed a sea, and arrived at Mount Sinai. 493 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:13,440 The text reveals: 494 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,170 A Departure Point in Egypt that the Israelites left from. 495 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:22,370 A direction that was taken toward their initial goal. 496 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:26,650 A Desert that was crossed before they arrived at the sea. 497 00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:29,900 A Detour that was taken off the main road 498 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,660 that ended at a Dead End. 499 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:36,450 A Deep Sea that the Israelites passed through. 500 00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:41,379 And a Destination for the journey, a mountain called Sinai. 501 00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:43,962 (gentle music) 502 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:46,550 The first step of the pattern 503 00:27:46,550 --> 00:27:50,541 is the Departure Point in the land of Egypt. 504 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:55,320 The book of Genesis records that the Israelites 505 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,650 were a family that descended from Abraham. 506 00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:00,600 God had promised Abraham 507 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,030 that his descendants would be enslaved in a foreign land, 508 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,910 but they would multiply like the stars of heaven 509 00:28:06,910 --> 00:28:10,647 and God would bring them out to inherit the land of Canaan. 510 00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,230 (gentle dramatic music) (insects chattering) 511 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:16,060 Joseph, the great-grandson of Abraham, 512 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:19,400 was enslaved in Egypt before rising to power, 513 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800 allowing him to settle his father Jacob 514 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280 and their entire family into the best part of Egypt, 515 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,963 a place called Goshen, where they multiplied greatly. 516 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:34,410 In 2002, I traveled to Egypt, 517 00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:36,630 into the ancient land of Goshen, 518 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:37,910 to meet with one of the world's 519 00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:41,123 foremost egyptologists, Manfred Bietak. 520 00:28:41,123 --> 00:28:42,340 (camera shutters) 521 00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:44,600 He had uncovered archaeological evidence 522 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,280 of Semites underneath the city of Rameses 523 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,143 mentioned in the Bible at an older city called Avaris. 524 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:54,510 {\an8}But, the first time I interviewed Bietak, 525 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:56,770 {\an8}I was startled when he told me that there was 526 00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:59,600 {\an8}no evidence for the Israelites in Egypt. 527 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,933 It shook my faith. 528 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160 {\an8}Now, however, I had just learned Bietak had found 529 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,663 {\an8}new evidence related to the Israelites' Departure Point. 530 00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:13,620 I was meeting him in Jerusalem at the courtyard 531 00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:16,823 of the Albright Institute of Archaeological Research. 532 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:21,050 I admit, I was a little bit nervous. 533 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:22,770 It's so good to see you again. 534 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:24,250 You probably don't remember, 535 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:28,440 {\an8}but in 2002 I was sending you emails. 536 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,880 But, I think, I was sending them 537 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,650 to the institute in Austria. 538 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:33,050 And you didn't get answers? 539 00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:34,300 No. 540 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:36,900 And so, I came unannounced. 541 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,100 I surprised you. 542 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:40,610 At the time, you were very gracious to me, 543 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:43,300 and so we did a five-minute interview. 544 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,450 I said, "Is there any evidence of the Israelites?" 545 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:48,180 {\an8}Is there any physical evidence 546 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:51,000 {\an8}of a Hebrew population that you can? 547 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,287 So far, not. 548 00:29:53,287 --> 00:29:55,242 "So far, not." 549 00:29:55,242 --> 00:29:56,960 (chuckling softly) 550 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,100 And it was like I was hit by a two-by-four. 551 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,020 But to connect this 552 00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:06,883 with the proto-Israelites is a very weak affair. 553 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:09,840 Does any of that come back to you? 554 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,260 It's shrouded by mist I'd have to say. 555 00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:15,350 Eventually I came home, 556 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:17,463 and I had a crisis of faith. 557 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,870 That experience with you started me on a 12-year journey, 558 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:24,980 and I started looking for 559 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:27,210 what would be called a pattern of evidence. 560 00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:28,700 Here we are again, 561 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,950 and I wanna ask you a few more questions. 562 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:36,570 I wanted to ask Manfred about the region around Avaris, 563 00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:39,230 where the Israelites first came to live, 564 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:41,190 and where their departure out of Egypt 565 00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:44,120 in the exodus would eventually take place. 566 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,060 What was his new evidence? 567 00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:50,276 Do you see a place where the Israelites could've lived? 568 00:30:51,610 --> 00:30:56,610 A very exciting evidence 569 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:01,431 comes from the region of the Wadi Tumilat. 570 00:31:02,695 --> 00:31:05,890 The Wadi Tumilat is a very old connection 571 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:10,543 between the eastern Nile delta and to the Sinai. 572 00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:15,760 I was able to prove that the western half 573 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,310 of Wadi Tumilat was an enormous overflow lake 574 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:22,010 because it was fed by a Nile branch, 575 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:25,350 and it was a kind of basin, an enormous basin, 576 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:29,110 18 kilometers long, 1.8 kilometer width. 577 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:31,120 What is most interesting, 578 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,710 and Sarah Groll pointed it out, 579 00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:37,050 there is a lake in one of the 580 00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:41,100 Ramesside texts called Geshem, Gesem. 581 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,410 Bietak was referencing research done 582 00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:46,160 by the late egyptologist, Sarah Groll, 583 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,730 and her work with Semitic toponyms. 584 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:52,310 A toponym is a technical term for the name of a place. 585 00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:56,180 The Israelites spoke a Semitic language: Hebrew. 586 00:31:56,180 --> 00:31:59,440 Sarah Groll had identified the name Gesem 587 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600 in ancient Egyptian documents that she believed 588 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,780 were connected to this area and to the Bible. 589 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:11,770 And indeed in the Septuagint version, 590 00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:14,440 Goshen is written as Gesem. 591 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,640 So here was another clue. 592 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,500 The name Goshen was called Gesem in the Septuagint 593 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,340 the Greek version of the Old Testament. 594 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:27,510 Gesem is a Semitic name tied to a big lake. 595 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:29,610 It can only be this lake, 596 00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:31,410 and from Ramesside times, 597 00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:34,950 you have several more Semitic toponyms there. 598 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:36,500 So, this is very interesting. 599 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:37,703 Because what you're suggesting is that 600 00:32:37,703 --> 00:32:40,490 there's Semitic toponyms in Egypt. 601 00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:42,590 Yes. Why would they be there? 602 00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:45,330 Why did Egyptian scribes, for heaven's sake, 603 00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:49,570 use Semitic toponyms for an area which belongs to Egypt? 604 00:32:49,570 --> 00:32:51,000 Yeah. It can only mean 605 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,150 that there were people living there, 606 00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:58,083 the majority, who spoke a Semitic language. 607 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,520 In an earlier film, 608 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,430 I was told that Avaris had over 30,000 inhabitants, 609 00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:08,180 and there were at least 20 other Semitic settlements 610 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:11,360 in Goshen that haven't been excavated yet. 611 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,240 This fits the Bible's claim that the Israelites 612 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,960 had multiplied and spread throughout the land. 613 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,950 A new pharaoh arises, 614 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:21,653 and he doesn't remember Joseph. 615 00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:24,830 {\an8}He enslaves the people 616 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:28,510 {\an8}because they're becoming too numerous and becoming a threat. 617 00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:30,180 So, he puts them to work 618 00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:32,070 and embitters their lives 619 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:36,260 building store cities of Pithom and Ramesses, 620 00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:40,433 and makes them create bricks out of mud and straw. 621 00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:47,030 Here we have the name Pithom tied to a Ramesside document. 622 00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:48,748 So this would be Ramesses. 623 00:33:48,748 --> 00:33:50,158 Ramesses. And this is? 624 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,241 Pithom. Pithom, okay. 625 00:33:53,713 --> 00:33:58,713 I think that one should not mistrust the story 626 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:01,980 of the sojourn of the Israelites in Egypt. 627 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:06,920 I think there is packed inside, 628 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,410 a story which may have an historical background. 629 00:34:11,410 --> 00:34:13,450 After years of thinking that Bietak 630 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:16,260 couldn't find evidence for the biblical account, 631 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:20,110 I was surprised that he was pointing to powerful connections 632 00:34:20,110 --> 00:34:23,030 that confirmed the Bible's historical record 633 00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:26,280 for the presence of the early Israelites. 634 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,900 (sheep bleating) (wheels creaking) 635 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:30,890 The Bible states the Israelites 636 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:33,570 left from the city of Ramesses. 637 00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:35,560 This establishes the specific 638 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Departure Point of the Exodus journey. 639 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,770 However, this verse also touches 640 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:44,150 on another important and controversial issue 641 00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:47,340 that affects every aspect of the Exodus journey, 642 00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:50,653 including the size of the miracles involved. 643 00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:55,110 The text says that the 12 sons of Jacob, 644 00:34:55,110 --> 00:34:57,720 who became the 12 tribes of Israel, 645 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,703 had grown to a tremendous population of about 600,000 men. 646 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:07,010 If this were true when you add in women and children, 647 00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:11,083 it would likely mean a total population of over two million. 648 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:14,300 Many find it hard to imagine 649 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,900 this many people crossing the wilderness. 650 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:20,550 This is why most in the Egyptian group 651 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:23,513 favor much smaller numbers for the Israelites. 652 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,223 It has to do with the Hebrew word 'Elef. 653 00:35:28,418 --> 00:35:31,300 (dramatic music) 654 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,756 Associates for Biblical Research, ABR, 655 00:35:34,756 --> 00:35:36,860 have been searching for evidence matching 656 00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:40,610 the Bible in Israel for over four decades. 657 00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:44,010 Currently, they're excavating the location of Shiloh 658 00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:46,060 where the Bible says the tabernacle 659 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:49,710 and the Ark of the Covenant were located for centuries. 660 00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:53,410 Dr. Bryant Wood is the former director of ABR, 661 00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:56,630 and he favors the Egyptian approach. 662 00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:58,200 {\an8}This matter of numbers, 663 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,750 {\an8}large numbers in the Old Testament, 664 00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:02,180 {\an8}is a very, very thorny issue. 665 00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:05,610 But, I think, clearly it has to do 666 00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:09,270 with our understanding of the Hebrew word 'elef, 667 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,490 which is translated 1,000. 668 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:14,100 So if it says 650 'elef, 669 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,220 then that would mean 650,000? 670 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:19,310 If you take 'elef to mean 1,000. 671 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:23,960 I believe that in these early accounts 672 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,290 that it must have another meaning. 673 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:30,360 We find, in fact, that there are some places 674 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,310 in the Old Testament where it's translated chief. 675 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:36,600 It's translated clan. 676 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,210 I like the translation unit better. 677 00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:42,460 One scholar who looked at this recently 678 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:45,460 is Colin Humphreys in England, 679 00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:47,910 and he concluded that it was about 680 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:52,520 20,000 people total that left Egypt, 681 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,728 and I think that's a reasonable figure. 682 00:36:54,728 --> 00:36:59,728 Of course, if you use the translation of 1,000 for 'elef, 683 00:37:00,050 --> 00:37:03,000 you come up with 600,000 men, 684 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,000 {\an8}which would mean, several million Israelites leaving Egypt, 685 00:37:08,743 --> 00:37:12,230 {\an8}and, I think, that's an impossibly large number. 686 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,220 Most scholars I've interviewed in my investigation 687 00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:18,290 favor much smaller numbers for the Israelites, 688 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:20,740 and I have to admit, this is part of the story 689 00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:22,688 that I've struggled with the most. 690 00:37:22,688 --> 00:37:24,500 (dramatic music) 691 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:28,005 How could so many have survived in the wilderness? 692 00:37:28,005 --> 00:37:31,110 (dramatic music) 693 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:34,560 So I went to Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary 694 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,080 to hear from the Hebrew approach. 695 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,627 Dr. Jason DeRouchie is co-author of 696 00:37:39,627 --> 00:37:42,290 "A Modern Grammar For Biblical Hebrew". 697 00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:44,900 We spoke in the Spurgeon library. 698 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:45,927 I know that some people would say, 699 00:37:45,927 --> 00:37:47,537 "Well, there were probably 5,000. 700 00:37:47,537 --> 00:37:49,357 "Maybe 10,000 Israelites. 701 00:37:49,357 --> 00:37:50,860 "Maybe 20,000 Israelites." 702 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:52,550 What people are wanting to do is narrow 703 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:55,360 this language of 'elef in the census list, 704 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,210 which are only about the military men, 20 and over, 705 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:03,890 narrow that to mean a military company, a military grouping. 706 00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:05,450 But if we do that, we end up with 707 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:08,540 very, very small Israelite population. 708 00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:10,460 What's clear in the biblical text 709 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:12,620 is that there has to be enough Israelites 710 00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:14,420 in order to make Pharaoh, 711 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:19,360 and the rest of Egypt scared, Exodus chapter one. 712 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,440 That they were multiplying in such great ways, 713 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,640 thus being faithful to God's promise, 714 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,490 and bringing fear to the Egyptian army. 715 00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:31,590 If the Israelite population had grown like it's written, 716 00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:34,300 then it would have been a fantastic miracle, 717 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:37,527 and it would be just what God had promised Abraham, 718 00:38:37,527 --> 00:38:38,997 "That his descendants would become 719 00:38:38,997 --> 00:38:41,697 "as numerous as the stars in the sky 720 00:38:41,697 --> 00:38:45,550 "on their way to inheriting the promised land." 721 00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:48,113 This is in line with the Hebrew approach. 722 00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:51,640 What I found curious was that 723 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,310 I too have come from a large family 724 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:57,131 with 12 tribes like the Israelites. 725 00:38:57,131 --> 00:38:59,798 (gentle music) 726 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,110 I have fond memories as a child spending summers 727 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,723 on my grandparents' farm. 728 00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:11,930 Playing with my cousins, I began to realize 729 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:14,283 I was a part of a much bigger family. 730 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:19,590 My Swedish grandmother Esther was one of 10 children. 731 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:23,520 She met a Norwegian immigrant, Edward, and they married. 732 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,120 They went on to have 12 children, six boys and six girls, 733 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,960 which would eventually grow into 12 family clans. 734 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,440 People in the past just had larger families. 735 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,290 My grandparents ended up having 46 grandchildren 736 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:42,501 who've now created several hundred relatives. 737 00:39:42,501 --> 00:39:43,753 Here we go! 738 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,350 If the Israelites multiplied like my family, 739 00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:06,180 then I can see how they could easily 740 00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:09,533 get to over 600,000 men while in Egypt. 741 00:40:12,379 --> 00:40:14,121 (wind blowing) 742 00:40:14,121 --> 00:40:17,640 (dramatic music) 743 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,100 There are several places where Moses uses the Hebrew word 744 00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,570 'elef that indicate it was operating 745 00:40:23,570 --> 00:40:26,560 with the normal meaning of 1,000. 746 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,020 For instance, in the book of Exodus, 747 00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:32,511 Moses tells about an offering taken at Mount Sinai. 748 00:40:32,511 --> 00:40:35,428 (thunder rumbling) 749 00:40:38,927 --> 00:40:41,757 Each man from 20 years old and upward 750 00:40:41,757 --> 00:40:43,917 was to contribute a half shekel, 751 00:40:43,917 --> 00:40:46,487 according to the sanctuary shekel. 752 00:40:46,487 --> 00:40:48,737 The rich could not give more, 753 00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:51,097 and the poor could not give less, 754 00:40:51,097 --> 00:40:53,946 and the number of half shekels collected 755 00:40:53,946 --> 00:40:58,650 came to 603,550. 756 00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:02,687 Then there was the census taken at Mount Sinai. 757 00:41:02,687 --> 00:41:04,020 God told Moses, 758 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:06,280 "Take a census of all the congregation 759 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,770 "of the people of Israel by clan, 760 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:11,730 "by fathers' houses according to the number of names, 761 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:14,157 "every male, head by head." 762 00:41:14,157 --> 00:41:16,397 Each tribe listed their numbers, 763 00:41:16,397 --> 00:41:19,372 and the total of the 12 tribes 764 00:41:19,372 --> 00:41:23,610 was 603,550. 765 00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:25,900 When the numbers for each tribe in the census 766 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,210 are translated with 'elef meaning thousand, 767 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:30,953 they add up as expected. 768 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:34,820 How then do those in the Egyptian approach 769 00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:37,620 come up with smaller numbers for this census? 770 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:42,340 You always have a thousand figure followed by a number. 771 00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:45,620 The word for thousand has more than one meaning. 772 00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:48,170 In the Bible, it has more than one meaning. 773 00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:52,490 If you take those groups instead of saying 54,400, 774 00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:57,490 you would say 54 clans or families totaling 400 people, 775 00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:02,220 62 clans, totaling 700 people and so forth. 776 00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:05,740 Then instead of having 603,550, 777 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:08,631 you would have 598 groups 778 00:42:08,631 --> 00:42:12,540 totaling 5,550 people. 779 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:15,180 I could see that if you add up the census numbers 780 00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:19,720 using the meaning of clan for 'elef rather than thousand, 781 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:23,290 it does not match what the Bible references, 782 00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:28,010 and totaling up the hundreds column does not add up either. 783 00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:30,680 Is the fact that these numbers are adding up perfectly 784 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,653 when translating 'elef as thousand just a coincidence? 785 00:42:36,084 --> 00:42:38,210 (gentle music) 786 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:40,291 A lot of people have a really difficult time 787 00:42:40,291 --> 00:42:43,060 that there were millions of people going out. 788 00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:44,077 They think, "Well, how could that 789 00:42:44,077 --> 00:42:46,330 "many people exist in the wilderness?" 790 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:48,800 Sure, but in even raising that question 791 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,490 regarding their existence in the wilderness, 792 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:53,050 it fails to account for the text itself, 793 00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:56,920 which says miracles were happening over and over again. 794 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,920 Miracles of manna from heaven, water from a rock. 795 00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:05,260 God didn't let their sandals wear out. 796 00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:09,260 A single pair of shoes for 40 years, good night! 797 00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:10,400 It's a miracle. 798 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,750 Yet, Dr. Beitzel stresses that taking 799 00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:15,520 'elef to mean clan rather than thousand 800 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,420 would not be changing the wording of the Bible. 801 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,750 If you were to divide up the word 'elef in that way 802 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:22,380 you're not changing one vowel point. 803 00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:25,410 You're not changing one letter in the Hebrew Bible. 804 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:28,990 You're just taking 'elef in a non-numerical sense, 805 00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:30,840 rather than in a numerical sense. 806 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,540 I'm not saying that this is an explanation 807 00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,860 that lies beyond questions. 808 00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:40,663 But I am saying to you that in my view, 809 00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:46,660 this is the most cogent alternative view. 810 00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:48,630 It doesn't answer all the questions. 811 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:49,740 If it answered all the questions, 812 00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:51,350 we wouldn't be sitting here even discussing it. 813 00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:52,900 Right, we wouldn't. 814 00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:55,920 Again, if we have a view that God is big 815 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,810 and that Scripture is true, 816 00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:03,030 it demands that we understand he's able to sustain millions 817 00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:06,225 for 40 years through a wilderness. 818 00:44:06,225 --> 00:44:08,177 (gentle music) 819 00:44:08,177 --> 00:44:10,760 (wind blowing) 820 00:44:18,682 --> 00:44:22,099 (gentle dramatic music) 821 00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:27,520 I now have evidence matching 822 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,740 the first step of the sequence: 823 00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:31,790 The Departure Point. 824 00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:33,760 References to Lake Gesem. 825 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,650 Matching the place named Goshen in the region where 826 00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:40,263 the Bible states the Israelites lived before leaving Egypt. 827 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:44,380 This name is not Egyptian, but Semitic, 828 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:48,258 matching the language family of the early Israelites. 829 00:44:48,258 --> 00:44:51,360 Evidence for the biblical cities of Ramesses and Pithom, 830 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,380 which are also found in Egyptian documents. 831 00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:57,240 And there are at least 20 additional Semitic cities 832 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,030 that have yet to be excavated 833 00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:00,650 that would potentially increase 834 00:45:00,650 --> 00:45:03,740 the Israelite population greatly. 835 00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:06,280 The Bible states that the Israelites departed 836 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,450 on the Exodus from Ramesses, earlier known as Avaris. 837 00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:12,803 A location both approaches agree on. 838 00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:17,610 As hard as it is to imagine, 839 00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:19,690 the Bible seems to be pointing to about 840 00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:22,960 two million people departing Egypt. 841 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,187 If this is what the Bible is telling us, 842 00:45:25,187 --> 00:45:27,240 and if I'm believing the Bible, 843 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,250 then I have to believe this was possible. 844 00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:31,400 I thought the big miracle 845 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,780 was going to be the parting of the sea, 846 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:35,690 but in reality I'm learning 847 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:38,520 that the Exodus journey is full of miracles, 848 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,713 including how God sustained so many people. 849 00:45:43,857 --> 00:45:46,440 (wind blowing) 850 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:51,653 The next step in the pattern is Direction. 851 00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:57,241 It begins with Moses and a burning bush. 852 00:45:57,241 --> 00:45:59,908 (gentle music) 853 00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:05,340 The Bible states that Moses was born into 854 00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:09,080 {\an8}an Israelite family at a time when the Israelites 855 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,800 {\an8}were enslaved by the Egyptians. 856 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,900 There was a decree from Pharaoh 857 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:16,730 that all the male Israelite babies 858 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:20,496 were to be killed by throwing them into the Nile River, 859 00:46:20,496 --> 00:46:22,680 (somber music) 860 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,450 and in fear for his life, 861 00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:26,750 his mother hides him in a basket 862 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:30,887 and floats it among the reeds of the river Nile. 863 00:46:30,887 --> 00:46:33,855 (somber music) 864 00:46:33,855 --> 00:46:36,938 (insects chattering) 865 00:46:45,421 --> 00:46:48,254 (birds chirping) 866 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:54,780 But God is watching over baby Moses, 867 00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:58,120 and Pharaoh's daughter comes down to bathe in the Nile. 868 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,060 She finds him, adopts him, and names him Moses, 869 00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:06,140 which means "drawn from the water." 870 00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:08,723 (gentle music) 871 00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:15,680 (gentle music) (birds chirping) 872 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,770 He was raised in the household of Pharaoh 873 00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:21,063 and educated in the Egyptian court. 874 00:47:24,250 --> 00:47:27,380 Moses went out one day to his people 875 00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:28,780 and looked on their burdens. 876 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,203 He saw an Egyptian beating an Israelite. 877 00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:40,580 He looked this way and that, 878 00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:43,960 and seeing no one, he struck the Egyptian 879 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,103 and killed him and hid him in the sand. 880 00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:52,740 When Pharaoh heard of it, he sought to kill Moses, 881 00:47:52,740 --> 00:47:54,750 but Moses fled from Pharaoh 882 00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:57,630 and stayed in the land of Midian, 883 00:47:57,630 --> 00:48:00,980 where for 40 years he tended sheep, 884 00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:02,570 (sheep bleating) 885 00:48:02,570 --> 00:48:05,270 and then one day God revealed himself to Moses 886 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:08,023 and spoke to him out of a burning bush. 887 00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:12,910 God told Moses to return to Egypt 888 00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:16,050 and tell Pharaoh to release the Israelite slaves 889 00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:18,470 and bring them back to this mountain 890 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:20,973 that he was standing on to worship God. 891 00:48:24,089 --> 00:48:25,730 (gentle music) 892 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:29,660 This gives us a clue to the Direction step. 893 00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:32,860 The initial Destination of the Exodus journey 894 00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:35,240 was not the Promised Land, 895 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,120 but rather a mountain where Moses encountered God 896 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,150 during his 40-year stay in the land of Midian 897 00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:42,823 prior to the Exodus. 898 00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:46,300 The traditional view is that Moses encountered 899 00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,740 the burning bush at a mountain in the Sinai Peninsula, 900 00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:52,560 but was this the land of Midian? 901 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,610 {\an8}One of the questions that people have always asked is, 902 00:48:55,610 --> 00:48:57,651 {\an8}that if you look at the biblical story of the Exodus, 903 00:48:57,651 --> 00:49:00,560 {\an8}you see that Moses went to the land of Midian. 904 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,530 Now the land of Midian, where is Midian? 905 00:49:02,530 --> 00:49:04,700 Midian is actually in Saudi Arabia. 906 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:05,730 It's not in Sinai. 907 00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:07,810 It's not in what is today Transjordan, 908 00:49:07,810 --> 00:49:10,310 and it's not in Israel or Palestine. 909 00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:11,930 It's in Saudi Arabia. 910 00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:14,100 One thing that scholars are pretty much agreed upon 911 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:17,890 is that Midian is in southern Jordan 912 00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:20,480 and in northwest Saudi Arabia. 913 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,080 They have found distinctive pottery. 914 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,563 Whereas in Sinai, 915 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:28,156 you really don't have anything from this period. 916 00:49:28,156 --> 00:49:31,406 (plane engine roaring) 917 00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:36,960 In 2003, I traveled to northwest Saudi Arabia, 918 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,530 the ancient land of Midian, 919 00:49:38,530 --> 00:49:40,950 with a small group of Exodus explorers, 920 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:44,800 including Dr. Lennart Möller and Dr. Glen Fritz. 921 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,290 At that time few had been allowed into this area, 922 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:51,280 and many felt it was dangerous. 923 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,430 There I had the opportunity 924 00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:55,960 to see a mountain called Jabal Al Lawz, 925 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,180 that some suggest might be the true location 926 00:49:59,180 --> 00:50:00,453 for Mount Sinai. 927 00:50:01,330 --> 00:50:03,530 So was Moses in the land of Midian 928 00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:05,463 when he encountered the burning bush? 929 00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:09,550 Some think so and believe there's still evidence 930 00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:11,333 that can be found there today. 931 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:14,980 But many scholars maintain that Moses traveled 932 00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:18,970 outside of Midian to the traditional Mount Sinai. 933 00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:21,440 Either way, this gives the general direction 934 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,220 the Israelites would head when leaving Egypt, 935 00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:27,843 southeast toward the mountain where Moses had met God. 936 00:50:29,053 --> 00:50:31,780 (dramatic music) 937 00:50:31,780 --> 00:50:34,330 Back in Egypt, Moses confronts Pharaoh 938 00:50:34,330 --> 00:50:37,053 and gives him God's command to let the people go. 939 00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:40,290 But Pharaoh refuses, 940 00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:44,366 and Egypt experienced a series of devastating plagues. 941 00:50:44,366 --> 00:50:49,366 (dramatic music) (thunder rumbling) 942 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:52,680 Moses is the agent of God in the story, 943 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,210 who will wreak havoc against the gods of Egypt. 944 00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:59,000 Dr. DeRouchie then told me something startling 945 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,280 concerning the character of Pharaoh that Moses was facing. 946 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,810 It goes back to the Garden of Eden. 947 00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:07,820 That serpent in the garden we're told 948 00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:11,610 will have offspring who will look like him, 949 00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:15,170 who will act like him, who will be murderous 950 00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:18,430 and liars like their father was - the devil. 951 00:51:18,430 --> 00:51:21,230 Pharaoh is being portrayed as an offspring of the serpent 952 00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:24,900 who embodies all the characteristics of the serpent himself, 953 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:29,010 and, therefore, he is a portrait of the devil in the story, 954 00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:33,660 the evil one who is working once again hostility against God 955 00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,970 and seeking to defeat God's people. 956 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,150 Only after the 10th plague, 957 00:51:39,150 --> 00:51:40,520 Pharaoh relented, 958 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,993 and thrust the Israelites out of his country. 959 00:51:45,498 --> 00:51:48,140 (dramatic music) 960 00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:49,957 Moses said to the people, 961 00:51:49,957 --> 00:51:54,437 "Never forget what Yahweh your God has done for you 962 00:51:54,437 --> 00:51:57,090 "in delivering you out of the clutches of Egypt." 963 00:51:57,090 --> 00:52:00,820 God was being faithful to the promise he made way back 964 00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:05,100 400 years earlier to Abraham, that this day would come. 965 00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,950 That after four centuries of affliction, 966 00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:12,950 God would deliver them and bring them out with great glory. 967 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,513 {\an8}(dramatic music) 968 00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:22,760 {\an8}In 1923, Cecil B. DeMille was the first to portray 969 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,943 the Exodus departure in a spectacular way. 970 00:52:29,227 --> 00:52:32,137 They left Egypt with their flocks and herds 971 00:52:32,137 --> 00:52:34,277 and headed east across the wilderness 972 00:52:34,277 --> 00:52:37,097 toward the mountain of God. 973 00:52:37,097 --> 00:52:40,013 A pillar of cloud and fire led them day and night. 974 00:52:41,737 --> 00:52:44,087 When Pharaoh let the people go, 975 00:52:44,087 --> 00:52:47,977 God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines 976 00:52:47,977 --> 00:52:50,227 although it was close. 977 00:52:50,227 --> 00:52:53,730 For God said, "Lest the people change their minds 978 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:57,785 "when they see war and want to go back to Egypt." 979 00:52:57,785 --> 00:52:59,170 But God led the people around 980 00:52:59,170 --> 00:53:02,190 by the way of the wilderness toward Yam Suph. 981 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,727 Exodus chapter 13 verse 17 says, 982 00:53:06,727 --> 00:53:08,857 "When you leave, do not take the way 983 00:53:08,857 --> 00:53:11,300 "to the land of the Philistines." 984 00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:13,280 Well, we know that the Egyptians 985 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,690 had a whole series of forts along that road. 986 00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:19,360 That's the equivalent of an interstate highway in antiquity. 987 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,097 At this point it's just simply saying, 988 00:53:21,097 --> 00:53:23,320 "You may not use that road." 989 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,610 All right, that suggests to me 990 00:53:25,610 --> 00:53:29,510 they're going to be following a regular road. 991 00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,690 There were only three options. 992 00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:35,040 But now with this one out according to Exodus, 993 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,373 one is now left to two options, okay. 994 00:53:37,373 --> 00:53:38,880 And that's this option right here? 995 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,650 This one goes across the middle part of the Sinai. 996 00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:44,273 This is the way to Shur. 997 00:53:44,273 --> 00:53:46,620 This is the road that goes to Jerusalem. 998 00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:49,000 Professor Beitzel's Egyptian view, 999 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,630 suggests the Israelites traveled on the way to Shur. 1000 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:54,720 However, the Bible says they traveled 1001 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,080 on the way of the wilderness to Yam Suph. 1002 00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:00,190 The Bible says the Israelites took 1003 00:54:00,190 --> 00:54:03,190 the way of the wilderness of the Red Sea, 1004 00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:06,110 and in these days highways were identified 1005 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,710 by their destination. 1006 00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:10,410 It's just like if you're in Dallas, 1007 00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:12,350 and you're gonna travel to Chicago, 1008 00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:15,890 I'm going to say, "I'll take the highway to Chicago." 1009 00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:18,020 When they left Egypt, 1010 00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:21,093 they took the highway to the wilderness of Yam Suph. 1011 00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:25,480 There was really only one way to get to Midian, 1012 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,670 and that was to follow the trans-Sinai highway. 1013 00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:30,120 That was a direct route. 1014 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,300 It was a well-traveled route. 1015 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:36,830 So, it looks like Moses is simply following 1016 00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:39,367 the way he had traveled to go to Midian. 1017 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,410 I went to see a distinguished professor of Hebrew 1018 00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:47,620 who has written extensively on the Hebrew Bible. 1019 00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:49,347 Professor Duane Garrett authored, 1020 00:54:49,347 --> 00:54:51,560 "A Commentary On The Exodus" 1021 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,880 and co-authored "A Modern Grammar For Biblical Hebrew", 1022 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,240 along with Professor DeRouchie. 1023 00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:59,377 He also has a Hebrew approach. 1024 00:54:59,377 --> 00:55:02,480 If you look at a lot of ancient maps, 1025 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,683 the Gulf of Suez is the Red Sea. 1026 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,113 What's happened to that thinking? 1027 00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:12,550 It's not really, in my view, 1028 00:55:12,550 --> 00:55:14,180 compatible with the narrative, 1029 00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:17,670 which says they got on the way of the Yam Suph, 1030 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:21,780 and they crossed the Sinai Peninsula to get to the Yam Suph. 1031 00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,970 Whereas, if you put it at the Gulf of Suez, 1032 00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:27,030 they crossed the Gulf of Suez, 1033 00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:30,170 and then they just start wandering down to Sinai. 1034 00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:33,460 They don't spend any time on the way of the Yam Suph. 1035 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,570 It does not fit the narrative. 1036 00:55:35,570 --> 00:55:38,160 The Bible says they went the way of the Yam Suph, 1037 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,960 which I think clearly is directly across northern Sinai 1038 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,450 to the northern end of the Gulf of Aqaba 1039 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,260 as an extension of the Red Sea, 1040 00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:50,695 and I think that's what they crossed. 1041 00:55:50,695 --> 00:55:53,528 (dramatic music) 1042 00:55:57,370 --> 00:56:00,530 What I've learned in the Direction step is that: 1043 00:56:00,530 --> 00:56:03,080 Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt 1044 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,530 in a southeasterly direction, 1045 00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:08,143 and there were only three main roads to choose from. 1046 00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:12,560 The Bible states that they did not take the northern route 1047 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,970 the way of the Philistines. 1048 00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:16,960 That leaves two other options. 1049 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,020 The central route went to the deserts 1050 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:21,763 of the Negev on its way to Jerusalem. 1051 00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:25,600 The southern route went to an arm of the Red Sea, 1052 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,860 the Gulf of Aqaba, which was on the way to Midian. 1053 00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:33,420 If Moses was in Midian when he encountered the burning bush, 1054 00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:35,700 it would make sense that he would've returned 1055 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,450 on this road back to Mount Sinai. 1056 00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:41,000 This is the Hebrew approach, 1057 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,033 but most in the Egyptian approach disagree. 1058 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,840 This leads to the next step of the Exodus journey: Desert. 1059 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,910 (gentle dramatic music) 1060 00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:56,630 When the children of Israel left Egypt, 1061 00:56:56,630 --> 00:57:01,630 there were 600,000 men of military age, plus their families. 1062 00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:07,123 A pillar of cloud and fire led them into the wilderness, 1063 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:11,960 and the mission was to bring the children of Israel 1064 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,193 back to Mount Sinai where God first spoke to Moses. 1065 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:20,530 Moses and his brother led the people 1066 00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:23,420 out of the land of Egypt, 1067 00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:27,271 and they were on the way of the wilderness toward Yam Suph. 1068 00:57:27,271 --> 00:57:29,938 (gentle music) 1069 00:57:35,310 --> 00:57:38,400 Which desert wilderness did this road pass through 1070 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,770 on its way to the sea? 1071 00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:44,050 The Egyptian approach suggests this small desert 1072 00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:46,530 next to Egypt's Nile Delta. 1073 00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:48,080 But the Hebrew approach believes 1074 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,900 the desert area was much larger, 1075 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:52,912 in the Sinai Peninsula. 1076 00:57:52,912 --> 00:57:54,880 (birds chirping) 1077 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,027 Egyptologist David Rohl wrote "Exodus - Myth or History." 1078 00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:03,180 We've traveled together several times into the Middle East 1079 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,263 looking for patterns of evidence that match the Bible. 1080 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,260 Although David is not a person of faith, 1081 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,740 he believes the Bible represents historical events, 1082 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:16,573 but he doesn't accept spectacular miracles. 1083 00:58:17,932 --> 00:58:20,660 Rohl uses the Egyptian approach, 1084 00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:22,620 which focuses on toponyms, 1085 00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:25,453 or the names of places in the biblical text. 1086 00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:28,470 This approach believes these terms connect 1087 00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:31,143 to Egyptian meanings and locations. 1088 00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:34,680 I think if we are gonna take this Exodus route seriously, 1089 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,740 we need to look at something 1090 00:58:35,740 --> 00:58:37,570 like a satellite image like this, 1091 00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:40,250 and try and work out where they went. 1092 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:43,660 Well, I know that we've got many different theories 1093 00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:45,900 about this with a lot of different locations, 1094 00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:48,930 so what do you think the crossing site, where would that be? 1095 00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:50,130 Well, for once I'm gonna follow 1096 00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:51,500 the conventional argument here. 1097 00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:54,060 So let's start over here in the land of Goshen. 1098 00:58:54,060 --> 00:58:54,930 In the area of Avaris 1099 00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:56,640 that you're talking about. Yes, absolutely here, 1100 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,407 and it's in the fertile Delta, 1101 00:58:58,407 --> 00:59:00,160 and then once they crossed the Yam Suph, 1102 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,900 they travel down the other side through Sinai 1103 00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:04,818 until they eventually reach Marah here, 1104 00:59:04,818 --> 00:59:07,810 the bitter lakes or the bitter waters. 1105 00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:09,730 {\an8}We have a number of toponyms along the way, 1106 00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:11,150 {\an8}which match the story. 1107 00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:12,510 We have Elim down here, 1108 00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:14,807 which is the place where the 12 springs are located 1109 00:59:14,807 --> 00:59:18,090 {\an8}and the palm trees that's even today called Ayun Musa, 1110 00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:19,970 {\an8}the springs of Moses. 1111 00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:22,810 {\an8}Then we get in here to Serabit el-Khadim. 1112 00:59:22,810 --> 00:59:24,360 {\an8}This is the biblical Dophkah, 1113 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,445 which the Egyptians call Mofkat, 1114 00:59:26,445 --> 00:59:28,480 and we work our way down to Sinai. 1115 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,570 {\an8}So, you have a number of toponyms in Sinai 1116 00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:31,840 {\an8}which match the story. 1117 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,280 The majority of scholars, 1118 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,450 including Dr. Beitzel, use this approach, 1119 00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:38,740 and their focus on Egyptian connections 1120 00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:41,280 for biblical place names results in their 1121 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,223 placing the sea crossing close to Egypt. 1122 00:59:45,070 --> 00:59:48,510 In contrast, scholars using the Hebrew approach 1123 00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:51,280 generally see the Exodus as much larger, 1124 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,070 including everything from the numbers of Israelites, 1125 00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:57,590 to the size of the miracles, to the distances involved, 1126 00:59:57,590 --> 01:00:00,100 because they think this is what the full weight 1127 01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,943 of the biblical information is describing. 1128 01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:07,360 The Hebrew approach acknowledges that some 1129 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,580 of the words in the Bible have Egyptian connections, 1130 01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:14,090 but it focuses on the Bible's full description of events 1131 01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:17,080 and on Hebrew meanings of biblical place-names 1132 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,173 rather than Egyptian connections. 1133 01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:23,170 The most natural context for us to understand 1134 01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:26,350 the meaning of words is first in Hebrew, 1135 01:00:26,350 --> 01:00:28,800 and what's significant, I think, is that 1136 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,750 the Bible is given to us in Hebrew by Hebrews, 1137 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:38,750 telling us the story of God's delivering of them. 1138 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,240 And so, it seems very natural to me that 1139 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,310 we would take this ancient book at face value 1140 01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:49,630 and allow the Hebrews to tell us what they experienced 1141 01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:52,123 point by point, location by location. 1142 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:55,760 Examining the biblical text closely, 1143 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,930 I could see that Moses identified three campsites 1144 01:00:58,930 --> 01:01:02,000 the Israelites stopped at after they left Egypt 1145 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,720 and before they crossed the sea. 1146 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,303 The first was Succoth. 1147 01:01:07,227 --> 01:01:08,897 "And the people of Israel journeyed 1148 01:01:08,897 --> 01:01:11,467 "from Rameses to Succoth, 1149 01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:14,383 "about six hundred thousand men on foot, 1150 01:01:14,383 --> 01:01:17,200 "besides women and children." 1151 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,340 The second was Etham, 1152 01:01:19,340 --> 01:01:21,790 and the third was at the Red Sea, 1153 01:01:21,790 --> 01:01:24,920 which in Hebrew was Yam Suph. 1154 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,670 So, David, tell me what do you think 1155 01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:29,470 the route of Exodus was in your mind? 1156 01:01:29,470 --> 01:01:32,490 Well, we know that Goshen is over here in this area, 1157 01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:34,670 and we know the first campsite is a place called Succoth 1158 01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:37,390 in the Bible, Hebrew Sukkot. 1159 01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:39,623 {\an8}Not that's Tell el-Maskhuta or Ma-Sukkot. 1160 01:01:39,623 --> 01:01:41,870 {\an8}It's the same name in Arabic, 1161 01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:43,520 {\an8}and that's across here in the Wadi Tumilat. 1162 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,980 So they came down from Goshen, 1163 01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:47,130 across this triangular desert here 1164 01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:49,150 to a place called Sukkot. 1165 01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:50,440 Now this triangular desert 1166 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,230 is actually mentioned in the Bible. 1167 01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:53,730 It's called Midbar Yam Suph 1168 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:55,650 or the Desert of the Sea of Reeds. 1169 01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:57,060 So the Sea of Reeds has to be 1170 01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:59,080 somewhere close to this desert here, 1171 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,520 and that's where the Ballah Lakes system is located. 1172 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,050 So, I'm very confident 1173 01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:04,620 that this is the Yam Suph region here. 1174 01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:06,910 So they cross this desert. 1175 01:02:06,910 --> 01:02:08,947 They come down to Succoth. 1176 01:02:08,947 --> 01:02:11,780 (dramatic music) 1177 01:02:17,327 --> 01:02:18,535 "And they set out from Succoth 1178 01:02:18,535 --> 01:02:20,260 "and camped at Etham, 1179 01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:23,250 "which is on the edge of the wilderness." 1180 01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:26,561 {\an8}At that point they then journey to a place called Etham. 1181 01:02:26,561 --> 01:02:28,100 {\an8}Now Etham's a bit of a mystery. 1182 01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:30,020 {\an8}Nobody really knows where it is, 1183 01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:32,120 {\an8}and, in fact, if you think about it, 1184 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,770 {\an8}if Etham is the word for Egyptian, Hetem, 1185 01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:37,960 {\an8}which is the word for "border fortress", 1186 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,120 {\an8}there would have been a big garrison 1187 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,470 of Egyptians sitting there. 1188 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,060 In the Egyptian approach, 1189 01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:45,650 all these events leading to the sea parting 1190 01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:49,630 seem to be taking place in a very small area. 1191 01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:51,560 Was this the desert wilderness 1192 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,840 the Israelites really crossed, 1193 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,723 or did they cross a much larger wilderness? 1194 01:02:58,150 --> 01:03:01,910 There's a big difference between these two options. 1195 01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:04,787 Well, some people are proposing a crossing over here. 1196 01:03:04,787 --> 01:03:07,270 That's true, but if you look at the distances 1197 01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:11,170 involved here between Succoth over there, 1198 01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:13,277 then you have to have Etham other here, 1199 01:03:13,277 --> 01:03:15,410 and then you have to have the third camp over here. 1200 01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:18,530 {\an8}We're talking about 250 miles in that distance. 1201 01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:20,208 It's just too far. 1202 01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:22,745 Too far. 1203 01:03:23,663 --> 01:03:26,330 (gentle music) 1204 01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:31,160 Numerous times I've traveled into the desert, 1205 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,180 and I can tell you that with a lack of food and water, 1206 01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:37,040 combined with the extreme heat of the sun, 1207 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,033 it's a very dangerous place. 1208 01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:43,090 So where does Glen Fritz place 1209 01:03:43,090 --> 01:03:46,700 the desert route in his Hebrew approach? 1210 01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:49,810 This is a map of my projected route 1211 01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:54,810 from Goshen to the seashore of Yam Suph. 1212 01:03:55,550 --> 01:03:58,530 There were two encampments listed on this route: 1213 01:03:58,530 --> 01:04:01,030 Succoth and Etham. 1214 01:04:01,030 --> 01:04:01,863 Over here. 1215 01:04:01,863 --> 01:04:05,320 The route is designed to follow the wadis, 1216 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,070 the lower lying areas in the middle of the Sinai Peninsula. 1217 01:04:09,070 --> 01:04:10,950 And explain what a wadi is. 1218 01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:14,718 A wadi is an Arabic term meaning valley. 1219 01:04:15,580 --> 01:04:19,310 The thing to keep in mind here in leaving Egypt, 1220 01:04:19,310 --> 01:04:23,730 the goal of the exodus was to go to the mountain of God. 1221 01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:26,930 Moses in his thinking would have planned on 1222 01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:31,680 rounding the head of the Gulf to get into Arabia. 1223 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,256 Because he was heading to Midian. 1224 01:04:33,256 --> 01:04:35,210 He was heading to the mountain of God. 1225 01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:38,150 Then they encamped on the edge of the wilderness, 1226 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:40,180 and while they were in Etham, 1227 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:44,640 they had avoided the steep downhill heavy terrain 1228 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,710 between their campsite and the head of the gulf. 1229 01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:50,410 So this here is the? 1230 01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:52,270 Head of the Gulf of Aqaba. 1231 01:04:52,270 --> 01:04:56,160 This is an antique map showing this heavy terrain, 1232 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,990 and they camped just shy of this area. 1233 01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:02,100 If the Hebrew approach is correct, 1234 01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:06,030 how would a multitude of people cross such a wilderness? 1235 01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:10,160 Could Moses' leadership be part of the answer? 1236 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:15,090 This was something that DeMille also noted in his research. 1237 01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:18,870 The Bible omits the first 30 years or so 1238 01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:20,986 that brought Moses to manhood. 1239 01:05:21,820 --> 01:05:24,300 To fill in those missing years, 1240 01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:29,300 we turned to ancient historians such as Philo and Josephus. 1241 01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:34,063 Philo wrote during the lifetime of Jesus of Nazareth, 1242 01:05:35,340 --> 01:05:38,610 and Josephus wrote some 50 years later. 1243 01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:41,520 These historians had access to documents 1244 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,525 long since destroyed. 1245 01:05:43,525 --> 01:05:46,541 (dramatic music) 1246 01:05:46,541 --> 01:05:47,374 (people shouting) 1247 01:05:47,374 --> 01:05:49,260 {\an8}The Jewish historian Josephus 1248 01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:51,450 {\an8}recorded that in his early life, 1249 01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:54,300 Moses was a general that led an Egyptian army 1250 01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:56,623 into battle against the Ethiopians. 1251 01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:00,330 This campaign may be what Stephen the martyr 1252 01:06:00,330 --> 01:06:03,570 was referring to in the New Testament book of Acts 1253 01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:05,037 when he not only says, 1254 01:06:05,037 --> 01:06:09,020 "Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians," 1255 01:06:09,020 --> 01:06:13,004 but also, "...he was mighty in his words and deeds." 1256 01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:18,056 (gentle dramatic music) 1257 01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:24,110 I set off for an ancient castle in Austria, Schloss Klaus. 1258 01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:27,550 It has guarded this valley for almost 1,000 years, 1259 01:06:27,550 --> 01:06:29,540 and now has become one of the homes 1260 01:06:29,540 --> 01:06:31,950 of Torchbearers International, 1261 01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:34,653 a Protestant retreat and educational center. 1262 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:36,940 I went there to interview 1263 01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:39,860 a leading German Exodus Bible scholar 1264 01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:42,030 who has spent most of his career studying 1265 01:06:42,030 --> 01:06:45,940 the life of Moses and the event of the Exodus. 1266 01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:48,163 His name is Peter Wiegand. 1267 01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:54,000 So his Egyptian time in Pharaoh's court 1268 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,340 really groomed him in a number of ways, didn't it, 1269 01:06:56,340 --> 01:06:58,780 {\an8}for the upcoming Exodus? Of course. 1270 01:06:58,780 --> 01:07:01,730 {\an8}Well, Tim, 1271 01:07:03,163 --> 01:07:08,163 God has various degrees of calls for people, 1272 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,730 of callings in their life. 1273 01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:13,983 Now, if God calls a person to a job, 1274 01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:19,450 if God calls someone to become a doctor, 1275 01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:21,983 he'll need a specialized training for that. 1276 01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:26,090 If God calls someone into filmmaker, 1277 01:07:26,090 --> 01:07:29,210 he needs certain qualifications for that. 1278 01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:34,210 Now if you are to become a general of an army 1279 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,403 or become a leader of a nation, 1280 01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:43,360 there are to be certain basic trainings, 1281 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,391 and you can't be an idiot. 1282 01:07:46,598 --> 01:07:47,610 No you couldn't. When, there have been 1283 01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:49,110 enough of that sort. 1284 01:07:49,110 --> 01:07:52,300 But God, when he chose his person, 1285 01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:55,083 he chose a highly-intelligent man, 1286 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,223 and he chose a man who knew how to behave. 1287 01:08:01,365 --> 01:08:04,610 He chose a man who knew how to use words, 1288 01:08:04,610 --> 01:08:07,890 issue commands, and organize things. 1289 01:08:07,890 --> 01:08:10,397 He had to issue, "This has to be done now," 1290 01:08:10,397 --> 01:08:13,517 and it has to be done without reserve, "You, go." 1291 01:08:14,580 --> 01:08:18,980 So he had to know how to command whole troop segments, 1292 01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:22,743 how to train his officers. 1293 01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:27,550 Moses' training may have included things like 1294 01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:32,430 military intelligence, logistics, preparation of supplies, 1295 01:08:32,430 --> 01:08:35,963 and managing the resources an army needed to survive. 1296 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,670 This would have uniquely qualified him to lead 1297 01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:43,193 the Israelites out of Egypt and across the desert. 1298 01:08:44,317 --> 01:08:46,900 (wind blowing) 1299 01:08:56,641 --> 01:09:00,270 (gentle dramatic music) 1300 01:09:00,270 --> 01:09:03,870 In 2002, I traveled with Dr. Lennart Möller 1301 01:09:03,870 --> 01:09:06,580 and a film crew on this ancient road to Midian 1302 01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:09,050 across the Sinai Peninsula, 1303 01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:12,700 where the Hebrew approach believes the Israelites traveled. 1304 01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:14,840 What we observed was that the terrain 1305 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,550 was not sandy like the Sahara Desert. 1306 01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:22,000 It was much firmer, almost like concrete in many areas. 1307 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,310 However, the Egyptian view does not think 1308 01:09:24,310 --> 01:09:27,310 crossing this desert is realistic. 1309 01:09:27,310 --> 01:09:29,437 If you try and go straight across the Sinai here, 1310 01:09:29,437 --> 01:09:33,550 you're in this limestone area called The Altic Plateau. 1311 01:09:33,550 --> 01:09:35,950 Now that is extremely dry 1312 01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:38,110 because limestone absorbs the water. 1313 01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:40,250 So, it's a very dry desert. 1314 01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:42,780 Do you think it would be hard for people to make it across 1315 01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:46,132 the way of the wilderness to the Gulf of Aqaba? 1316 01:09:46,132 --> 01:09:51,132 No, because it was a regularly traveled caravan route. 1317 01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:53,220 It was a trading route. 1318 01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:55,340 Now they wouldn't want to waste time, 1319 01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:57,200 and they wouldn't want to dawdle. 1320 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,150 But it's not as though they were out 1321 01:10:00,150 --> 01:10:01,770 in a trackless wilderness. 1322 01:10:01,770 --> 01:10:04,633 It was, in their terms, a highway. 1323 01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:07,840 Movement across Sinai is not as difficult 1324 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,210 as people might imagine because the distances are not 1325 01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:13,910 nearly as great as many people might assume. 1326 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:15,200 You're not going through mountains. 1327 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,020 You're not going through deep valleys. 1328 01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:20,423 It's a very easy route if there's water. 1329 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,480 Let me show you something. 1330 01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:26,270 There are three counties in southern California, 1331 01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:29,770 Los Angeles, Ventura, and Santa Barbara. 1332 01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:32,730 They have a combined width of 150 miles, 1333 01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:34,850 which represents the approximate width 1334 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:36,810 of the Sinai Peninsula. 1335 01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:39,240 According to ancient rates of daily travel, 1336 01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,973 this distance would easily be covered in a week to 10 days. 1337 01:10:44,110 --> 01:10:45,660 If I could get an idea 1338 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:48,860 of how many days the Israelites traveled, 1339 01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:51,350 and how many miles they covered each day, 1340 01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:54,430 it would help determine which desert was crossed, 1341 01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:58,495 and if it was possible to cross the Sinai Peninsula. 1342 01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:02,300 How far could the Israelites have gone in a day? 1343 01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:03,840 Through the desert? Yeah. 1344 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,380 Well, many people would argue not very far. 1345 01:11:06,380 --> 01:11:09,570 But when you look at what Robinson and Smith managed to do, 1346 01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:12,980 they averaged two miles per hour, and they were walking. 1347 01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:15,770 They put all their pack materials on the back of the camels 1348 01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:17,190 and they actually walked. 1349 01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:19,230 So, a Bedouin would walk through 1350 01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:21,610 this territory at two miles an hour, 1351 01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:23,900 so that means in 11 hours of daylight 1352 01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:26,450 you would get 22 miles a day. 1353 01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:28,960 The question is whether the large group 1354 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,823 of Israelites could have matched this pace. 1355 01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:37,480 The Israelites left with all their possessions, 1356 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:42,450 with their families, the elderly, children, 1357 01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:46,350 and their animals, their flocks and their herds. 1358 01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:50,770 They must have water and they must have food, 1359 01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:53,870 and so you have to as you're going along, 1360 01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:58,110 provide for your animals, and this slowed them down. 1361 01:11:58,110 --> 01:12:02,150 And if you look at records of nomadic peoples 1362 01:12:02,150 --> 01:12:04,220 that travel around with animals, 1363 01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:08,090 a realistic distance of travel would be 1364 01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:12,240 about six miles a day, 10 kilometers a day. 1365 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,470 That would be about all you could cover. 1366 01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:16,860 Well, for example, you go on walks, 1367 01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:18,780 and I go on walks with my wife, 1368 01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:20,440 and we walk around the lake. 1369 01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:22,600 The lake is about three miles. 1370 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,713 We can walk around that lake in about an hour. 1371 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,340 Take that walk, with a bunch of little kids, 1372 01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:34,730 a bunch of old people, and a bunch of animals 1373 01:12:34,730 --> 01:12:39,598 that need to have water and food and try it again. 1374 01:12:39,598 --> 01:12:42,060 (dramatic music) 1375 01:12:42,060 --> 01:12:43,820 I went to see an American professor 1376 01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:47,260 of animal science at Colorado State University, 1377 01:12:47,260 --> 01:12:50,890 and a leading consultant to the livestock industry. 1378 01:12:50,890 --> 01:12:52,893 Her name is Temple Grandin. 1379 01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:56,840 In 2010, her own autism story 1380 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,120 and its insights on animal behavior 1381 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,430 were captured in the feature film "Temple Grandin", 1382 01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:04,860 starring Claire Danes. 1383 01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:08,396 The Exodus story is about the Israelites leaving Egypt 1384 01:13:08,396 --> 01:13:10,500 and going distances. 1385 01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:14,028 What kind of distance could sheep or cattle or oxen go? 1386 01:13:14,028 --> 01:13:15,830 {\an8}It depends on what kind of condition you want them in. 1387 01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:17,810 {\an8}I was just looking at something the other day 1388 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:20,010 {\an8}about the cattle drives. 1389 01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:23,260 {\an8}I mean you might go just a few miles each day 1390 01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:25,550 because you want to let them water and feed 1391 01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:28,390 if you want to maintain the body condition of the animal. 1392 01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:29,920 If this is an emergency situation, 1393 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,130 you can go a lot further. 1394 01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:34,650 The big thing is they have to have water. 1395 01:13:34,650 --> 01:13:37,120 So how often would animals need to be watered? 1396 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,470 Every three or four days, 1397 01:13:39,532 --> 01:13:42,520 and that's under emergency conditions. 1398 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,620 Yeah. 1399 01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:44,920 If you've got the right kind of sheep, 1400 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,430 they can probably go longer without water 1401 01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:48,653 than the people could. 1402 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,550 I traveled to Tennessee to meet the Baker family. 1403 01:13:53,550 --> 01:13:57,143 They raise a unique type of sheep known as Jacob sheep. 1404 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,810 Tradition says these sheep are descendants 1405 01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:03,340 of the spotted flock Jacob bred, 1406 01:14:03,340 --> 01:14:05,663 as recorded in the book of Genesis. 1407 01:14:06,670 --> 01:14:10,210 {\an8}What is unique about this particular breed? 1408 01:14:10,210 --> 01:14:14,050 {\an8}Jacob sheep are an older heritage breed. 1409 01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:16,460 {\an8}They trace their lineage back into the Middle East 1410 01:14:16,460 --> 01:14:18,200 to the area of Syria. 1411 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,940 So it is possible that this breed could have been 1412 01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:24,900 the sheep of Jacob? Mm-hmm. 1413 01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:26,220 From the descendants of them? 1414 01:14:26,220 --> 01:14:29,703 So it's true that these guys could be related. 1415 01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:32,610 They're easy keepers. 1416 01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:34,930 They don't take a lot of grain. 1417 01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:37,090 They don't take a lot of water. 1418 01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:39,003 How is it to herd these sheep? 1419 01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:41,710 It's not difficult. 1420 01:14:41,710 --> 01:14:43,170 Sheep are followers. 1421 01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:45,620 They have a strong flocking instinct. 1422 01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:48,490 If you can convince two or three of them 1423 01:14:48,490 --> 01:14:50,380 to come where you want them to come, 1424 01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:52,460 the rest of them will be there. 1425 01:14:52,460 --> 01:14:55,360 I was impressed with their strength and speed. 1426 01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,410 But how far can sheep travel in a day? 1427 01:14:58,410 --> 01:15:01,330 Could sheep go 15 miles or 20 miles? 1428 01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:04,590 Oh, yeah, you can move sheep 15 or 20 miles if you had to. 1429 01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:07,040 In an emergency you can just walk them 1430 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,190 as fast as you can walk. 1431 01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:10,000 But they wouldn't have time to graze. 1432 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,620 They'd lose body condition. 1433 01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:12,970 They'd start to get skinny. 1434 01:15:12,970 --> 01:15:15,730 But they can last a long time and still live. 1435 01:15:15,730 --> 01:15:17,486 Mm-hmm, because then they could fatten up 1436 01:15:17,486 --> 01:15:18,480 once they got... They could fatten up 1437 01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:19,700 once they get there, that's right. 1438 01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:20,960 They could get really skinny 1439 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,670 and still live as long as they're getting water. 1440 01:15:22,670 --> 01:15:25,490 Yeah, could sheep then go several hundred miles? 1441 01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:26,650 Whatever the people could walk. 1442 01:15:26,650 --> 01:15:27,483 Yeah. 1443 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,631 If the people can do it, the sheep can do it. 1444 01:15:30,631 --> 01:15:33,920 (gentle music) 1445 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,240 So distance isn't a problem, 1446 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,230 but how could the Israelites have had enough water? 1447 01:15:39,230 --> 01:15:41,797 I found out when I was in the Sinai region. 1448 01:15:41,797 --> 01:15:43,680 (thunder rumbling) 1449 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,330 Basically it's gotten a lot worse right now. 1450 01:15:46,330 --> 01:15:48,983 So the question of would there be water in the wilderness? 1451 01:15:48,983 --> 01:15:50,730 This time of the year? 1452 01:15:50,730 --> 01:15:53,611 We are in the Sinai region now, 1453 01:15:53,611 --> 01:15:58,277 and I haven't been out long and I'm getting wet. 1454 01:15:59,231 --> 01:16:00,340 (thunder rumbling) 1455 01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:03,540 Whoa, I'm a little bit concerned about the lightning too. 1456 01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:04,540 Don't be concerned about it. 1457 01:16:04,540 --> 01:16:05,798 It won't hit you. 1458 01:16:05,798 --> 01:16:07,240 (Tim chuckles) 1459 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,640 As you can see, this is the runoff that's come down 1460 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,800 from the mountains from the storm. 1461 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,240 So it seems real feasible that in this time of year 1462 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,760 that there would be water to support 1463 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,113 this crossing across the Sinai. 1464 01:16:23,060 --> 01:16:25,230 Even the scriptures talk about rain 1465 01:16:25,230 --> 01:16:27,497 provided for the Israelites. 1466 01:16:27,497 --> 01:16:29,637 "O God, when you went out before your people, 1467 01:16:29,637 --> 01:16:32,277 "when you marched through the wilderness, 1468 01:16:32,277 --> 01:16:35,917 "Rain in abundance, O God, you shed abroad. 1469 01:16:35,917 --> 01:16:38,257 "You provided for the needy." 1470 01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:42,469 (dramatic music) 1471 01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:45,890 There was another important clue 1472 01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:48,313 about distances that could be covered. 1473 01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:51,140 In the book of Genesis, 1474 01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:53,820 Jacob fled from his father-in-law Laban 1475 01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:57,170 with his children and large flocks and herds. 1476 01:16:57,170 --> 01:17:01,810 They covered a distance of 350 miles in 10 days, 1477 01:17:01,810 --> 01:17:03,933 averaging 35 miles a day. 1478 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,210 So the Bible is telling us that ancient people with kids 1479 01:17:09,210 --> 01:17:12,683 and animals could quickly cover a lot of territory. 1480 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,900 But speed is only one half of the equation. 1481 01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:18,740 The other is how many days 1482 01:17:18,740 --> 01:17:21,210 the Israelites traveled to the sea. 1483 01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:24,716 This could determine how large of a desert was crossed. 1484 01:17:24,716 --> 01:17:26,970 (dramatic music) (insects chattering) 1485 01:17:26,970 --> 01:17:28,740 God told Moses to make a list 1486 01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:31,500 of all the camps of the Exodus journey. 1487 01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:35,570 He recorded that it took one month to get past the 6th camp 1488 01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:38,730 and around 50 days to Mount Sinai. 1489 01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:41,120 The Egyptian approach makes the case that 1490 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,940 the sea crossing happened after just a few days. 1491 01:17:44,940 --> 01:17:47,850 In the actual evacuation of Egypt, 1492 01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:50,850 they come to the body of water on the third day. 1493 01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:52,850 However, the Bible does not give 1494 01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:55,190 the specific time to the crossing. 1495 01:17:55,190 --> 01:17:57,520 Josephus, when commenting on this, 1496 01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,850 I realize he's not inspired, 1497 01:17:59,850 --> 01:18:03,170 but there are times when his words at least are relevant. 1498 01:18:03,170 --> 01:18:06,370 He says, "In three days," 1499 01:18:06,370 --> 01:18:09,227 Israel went from the beginning 1500 01:18:09,227 --> 01:18:12,407 of its migration to Baal-zephon, 1501 01:18:12,407 --> 01:18:15,550 where the miracle of the Red Sea occurred. 1502 01:18:15,550 --> 01:18:19,410 That has to be close to Egypt. 1503 01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:22,560 Now some people have said that the Bible stipulates 1504 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,760 that it took them three days 1505 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,460 or it took them seven days to reach the crossing. 1506 01:18:27,460 --> 01:18:30,930 I don't see that in Scripture that there was any timeframe 1507 01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:33,460 to reach the encampment by the sea. 1508 01:18:33,460 --> 01:18:37,720 But the total trip being about 250 miles, 1509 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,270 if they covered 20 or 25 miles a day moving quickly, 1510 01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:42,810 traveling day and night, 1511 01:18:42,810 --> 01:18:46,440 they could certainly reach this point within 10 days, 1512 01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:49,000 and that would be probably a good figure. 1513 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,190 These people were fit. 1514 01:18:50,190 --> 01:18:51,140 They were slaves. 1515 01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:53,340 They were used to working seven days a week. 1516 01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:58,280 The difference between three days and 10 days, 1517 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,270 is the difference between a crossing at the border lakes 1518 01:19:01,270 --> 01:19:03,518 and a crossing at Aqaba. 1519 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,800 Moses' information actually allows the crossing 1520 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,360 to have happened somewhere between 1521 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,273 three and 24 days into the journey. 1522 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,710 This is what the timing looks like in the Egyptian view, 1523 01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:18,380 with the first three camps 1524 01:19:18,380 --> 01:19:21,460 squeezed into the first three days. 1525 01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:23,670 But since Moses recorded that it took 1526 01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:26,910 exactly one month to get past camp six, 1527 01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:29,730 in this view it would mean that the next three camps 1528 01:19:29,730 --> 01:19:33,430 were covered in the remaining 27 days. 1529 01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:35,400 But a Hebrew view argues, 1530 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,840 since it was one month to camp six, 1531 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,670 is it not reasonable that it was 1532 01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:41,743 about half a month to camp three? 1533 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,810 The Israelites would have traveled a long way in two weeks. 1534 01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:50,430 However, proposing that the desert crossed was Sinai 1535 01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:54,160 brings a challenge from those using the Egyptian approach. 1536 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,340 Bear in mind something else that's really important too, 1537 01:19:57,340 --> 01:19:58,790 Etham is described in the Bible 1538 01:19:58,790 --> 01:20:01,070 as being on the edge of the desert. 1539 01:20:01,070 --> 01:20:03,200 Now, the edge of the desert is over there. 1540 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,470 It's not right over here on the far side of the desert. 1541 01:20:05,470 --> 01:20:07,420 {\an8}So, Etham has to be over there too. 1542 01:20:07,420 --> 01:20:09,940 In which case you've then got 250 miles 1543 01:20:09,940 --> 01:20:12,030 all the way to the third camp. 1544 01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:13,850 {\an8}David is making a good point, 1545 01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:16,430 if the second camp of Etham really was 1546 01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:19,330 at the near edge of the desert closest to Egypt, 1547 01:20:19,330 --> 01:20:21,243 it would be a problem for Aqaba. 1548 01:20:22,750 --> 01:20:26,200 The question is which edge of which wilderness 1549 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,690 is the Bible talking about? 1550 01:20:28,690 --> 01:20:30,490 Tim, you were wondering 1551 01:20:30,490 --> 01:20:32,970 why I would pick this area for Etham? 1552 01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:35,060 Yeah. Now, the area that 1553 01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:37,576 I theorize as being Etham 1554 01:20:37,576 --> 01:20:39,830 was a popular encampment in antiquity. 1555 01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:42,101 These green dots represent 1556 01:20:42,101 --> 01:20:44,790 Chalcolithic and Bronze Age settlements. 1557 01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:46,430 So this whole area up in here, huh? 1558 01:20:46,430 --> 01:20:51,430 Yes, settlements made even before the time of the Exodus. 1559 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,920 But, the remains archaeologically show people 1560 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,640 were camping in this area because it was suitable. 1561 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,823 It had water and pasture, and it was flat. 1562 01:21:01,730 --> 01:21:04,570 The Wilderness of Etham is a term that 1563 01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:09,570 we have to understand to know why Etham was called Etham. 1564 01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:15,420 In the Arabic Et-Tihama or Tahma is the coastal zone 1565 01:21:15,420 --> 01:21:18,430 of the Red Sea in Northwest Arabia 1566 01:21:18,430 --> 01:21:22,060 and Tahma or Tahamah is translated 1567 01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:24,780 as "land sloping toward the sea". 1568 01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,000 You know, when you and I have been there, 1569 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,750 it's magnificent when you're there. 1570 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,440 You see these beautiful mountains coming. 1571 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:33,930 Dropping right into the water in some cases. 1572 01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:35,370 Right, and then you realize that 1573 01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:38,100 it's thousands of feet deep into the sea, 1574 01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,020 it's really a mountain range with water in it, right? 1575 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:42,440 Yes, again, Moses used very 1576 01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:45,060 general geographical descriptions. 1577 01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:47,010 Large areas of terrain, 1578 01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:50,970 large landscapes were used and given a simple name, 1579 01:21:50,970 --> 01:21:53,080 and so when he uses the word Etham, 1580 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,400 this is the last stop you can make 1581 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,080 before you make this descent through 1582 01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,680 the rough terrain around the head of the Gulf of Aqaba. 1583 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,680 Then they stopped on the edge of the wilderness 1584 01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,213 to encamp at Etham. 1585 01:22:07,366 --> 01:22:10,199 (dramatic music) 1586 01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:15,550 In the Desert step: 1587 01:22:15,550 --> 01:22:17,930 The Egyptian approach sees everything happening 1588 01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:22,640 on a small scale in the desert area north of Wadi Tumilat. 1589 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,800 The first two campsites, Succoth and Etham, 1590 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,690 are thought to connect with place-names in Egypt, 1591 01:22:28,690 --> 01:22:30,960 the second coming at the near edge 1592 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,330 of the wilderness of Sinai. 1593 01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:36,240 This view also favors slower travel rates 1594 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,610 and only a few days to the sea crossing. 1595 01:22:39,610 --> 01:22:42,380 In contrast, the Hebrew approach 1596 01:22:42,380 --> 01:22:45,170 sees the wilderness as much greater. 1597 01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:48,400 It has the Israelites crossing the Sinai Peninsula 1598 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,380 before reaching the sea. 1599 01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:53,150 This view is open to faster travel 1600 01:22:53,150 --> 01:22:56,170 and has many more days to get to the sea. 1601 01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:58,270 Glen Fritz proposes a different edge 1602 01:22:58,270 --> 01:23:01,760 of the wilderness for the second campsite of Etham 1603 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,303 coming just before the Gulf of Aqaba. 1604 01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:09,290 I have to ask which approach best matches the account? 1605 01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:11,634 The Bible says they left Egypt in haste, 1606 01:23:11,634 --> 01:23:14,890 (dramatic music) 1607 01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:18,977 and traveled day and night with God's miraculous provision. 1608 01:23:18,977 --> 01:23:20,980 (thunder rumbling) 1609 01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:24,497 When they got to Mount Sinai, God told Moses. 1610 01:23:24,497 --> 01:23:25,777 "You yourselves have seen 1611 01:23:25,777 --> 01:23:27,717 "what I did to the Egyptians, 1612 01:23:27,717 --> 01:23:30,657 "and how I bore you on eagles' wings 1613 01:23:30,657 --> 01:23:32,705 "and brought you to myself." 1614 01:23:32,705 --> 01:23:35,120 (thunder rumbling) 1615 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,030 These Scriptures seem to fit the longer distances 1616 01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:42,562 and faster speed in the Hebrew approach for the Desert step. 1617 01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:45,910 The next step of the Exodus journey 1618 01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:48,490 was a Detour taken off the main road 1619 01:23:48,490 --> 01:23:52,536 that ended up at a Dead End on the shore of Yam Suph. 1620 01:23:53,647 --> 01:23:55,340 "Then the Lord said to Moses, 1621 01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:58,340 'Tell the people of Israel to turn back 1622 01:23:58,340 --> 01:24:00,437 'and encamp in front of Pi-hahiroth, 1623 01:24:00,437 --> 01:24:05,432 'between Migdol and the sea, in front of Baal-zephon; 1624 01:24:05,432 --> 01:24:08,340 'you shall encamp facing it, by the sea.'" 1625 01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:12,170 What would the Egyptian view's explanation be 1626 01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:16,163 for this turning back that sent the Israelites on a detour? 1627 01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:21,770 The verb to turn is used hundreds of times in the Bible, 1628 01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:24,330 and what it means is you can turn north. 1629 01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:25,200 You can turn south. 1630 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,040 You can turn east. 1631 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:26,930 You can turn west. 1632 01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:27,830 You can turn just about any angle. 1633 01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:29,993 Doesn't it say they turned back? 1634 01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:33,250 Well, turned back would be the same verb. 1635 01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:35,230 Where the verb turn is used, 1636 01:24:35,230 --> 01:24:38,540 I think, it would be better to render it "veer". 1637 01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:41,580 {\an8}So again, it's possible that the reason why Moses 1638 01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:44,080 {\an8}turned back here is because there is a huge garrison 1639 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,300 {\an8}of soldiers at this point, and he couldn't go through there. 1640 01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:48,200 So he had to turn northward 1641 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,523 and go north towards the area where the Yam Suph is located. 1642 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,610 But having Moses and the Israelites 1643 01:24:54,610 --> 01:24:56,690 go north toward the Mediterranean 1644 01:24:56,690 --> 01:24:59,070 seemed to contradict the Bible's account 1645 01:24:59,070 --> 01:25:03,120 that said they did not go on the way of the Philistines. 1646 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,340 But the Hebrews when they left Egypt 1647 01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:08,270 did not go by the sea route. 1648 01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,185 They were told not to go that direction. 1649 01:25:10,185 --> 01:25:12,250 They were told not to go that direction 1650 01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:15,250 as stated in Exodus 13:17. 1651 01:25:15,250 --> 01:25:17,450 One thing I want to bring up is that it says that 1652 01:25:17,450 --> 01:25:19,320 they weren't supposed to go north. 1653 01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:20,450 It says they weren't supposed 1654 01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:22,550 to go the way of the Philistines, 1655 01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:24,200 which is along the Mediterranean. 1656 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,450 Well yes, of course, because that's the danger zone. 1657 01:25:26,450 --> 01:25:28,160 That's the way of the Philistines up here. 1658 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,660 But that's what is meant by, "They turned back." 1659 01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:32,740 They turned back into the danger zone. 1660 01:25:32,740 --> 01:25:33,823 God orders them to turn back. 1661 01:25:33,823 --> 01:25:35,490 They don't go straight on. 1662 01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:37,710 They can't go straight on because of the fortress here. 1663 01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:40,170 They can't go further south because of all these lakes. 1664 01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:42,600 So he tells them to go northwards. 1665 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,433 Why is he doing that? 1666 01:25:43,433 --> 01:25:45,190 Because he wants a confrontation 1667 01:25:45,190 --> 01:25:47,330 between the Israelites and the Egyptian army. 1668 01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:49,800 He wants to teach the Egyptian army a lesson. 1669 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,900 Once again, the Egyptian approach 1670 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:54,540 emphasizes natural explanations. 1671 01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:56,260 Whereas in the Hebrew approach, 1672 01:25:56,260 --> 01:26:00,200 the detour was not caused by canals or threat of a fort, 1673 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,960 but simply because God ordered 1674 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,250 Moses to turn off the main road 1675 01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:07,390 and follow the pillar of cloud to the sea. 1676 01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:12,390 My view is that they made it out of Egypt 1677 01:26:12,430 --> 01:26:14,700 with no problem because they had permission to leave. 1678 01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:16,380 They didn't have to dodge forts. 1679 01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:18,730 They didn't have to worry about the lakes. 1680 01:26:18,730 --> 01:26:20,623 They just went around the lakes and went past the forts 1681 01:26:20,623 --> 01:26:22,883 because the Egyptians wanted them out. 1682 01:26:24,243 --> 01:26:27,660 (dramatic music) 1683 01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:29,070 After the Detour, 1684 01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:31,730 the Israelites reached a Dead End 1685 01:26:31,730 --> 01:26:33,563 at the sea crossing itself. 1686 01:26:36,107 --> 01:26:39,580 DeMille's 1923 version of "The Ten Commandments" 1687 01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:42,053 portrayed this event for the first time. 1688 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,380 As a filmmaker, I'm still impressed by what he was able 1689 01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:50,423 to achieve cinematically almost 100 years ago. 1690 01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:55,023 The Bible records that Pharaoh changes his mind, 1691 01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:58,543 pursues the Israelites with his chariots, 1692 01:26:59,430 --> 01:27:01,970 and they catch them at the shore of the sea, 1693 01:27:01,970 --> 01:27:04,530 trapping the Israelites. 1694 01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:05,830 In the Exodus, 1695 01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:08,310 the Bible states it was Pharaoh's chariots 1696 01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:10,310 that were cast into the sea 1697 01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:11,870 when God caused the waters 1698 01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:14,980 that were parted to crash down upon them. 1699 01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:17,630 This was how Cecil B. DeMille depicted it 1700 01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:20,740 in his second film based on his research, 1701 01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:23,220 which was quite extensive. 1702 01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:26,380 This is what it might've looked like in the Hebrew view. 1703 01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:29,400 But how would the Egyptian approach explain the Dead End 1704 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,660 aspect of this step where Pharaoh 1705 01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:33,813 trapped the Israelites at the sea? 1706 01:27:34,958 --> 01:27:36,256 (birds chirping) 1707 01:27:36,256 --> 01:27:39,006 (dramatic music) 1708 01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:43,850 At the Karnak Temple, 1709 01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:46,270 there's an inscription that depicts a fort 1710 01:27:46,270 --> 01:27:50,560 along a waterway with reeds in the Nile Delta. 1711 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,050 Some think this relief offers a clue 1712 01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:55,200 to the location of the Dead End 1713 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,773 where the Israelites were trapped at Yam Suph. 1714 01:27:58,830 --> 01:28:02,960 Egyptologist James Hoffmeier and Geologist Stephen Moshier 1715 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,560 use this inscription along with satellite information 1716 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:11,380 to locate the Dead End in an area known as Ballah Lake. 1717 01:28:11,380 --> 01:28:15,005 They also propose that there are Egyptian place-names here 1718 01:28:15,005 --> 01:28:17,913 that connect with four biblical place-names 1719 01:28:17,913 --> 01:28:22,510 that any view of the Exodus sea crossing must account for. 1720 01:28:22,510 --> 01:28:24,970 These places are: Pi-hahiroth, 1721 01:28:24,970 --> 01:28:28,750 meaning "mouth of the canal" or "mouth of the gorge". 1722 01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:32,410 Migdol: meaning "tower" or "fortress". 1723 01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:35,980 Yam Suph: the sea that was crossed. 1724 01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:39,730 And Baal-zephon: meaning "Lord of the North", 1725 01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:42,968 likely a place of worship for the god Baal. 1726 01:28:44,230 --> 01:28:46,750 So what you're suggesting is that there's a crossing 1727 01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:49,200 in these border lakes right here. 1728 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,230 {\an8}How did you come up with that? 1729 01:28:51,230 --> 01:28:54,220 {\an8}Well, it all began by my interest in this 1730 01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:59,220 {\an8}very famous depiction on the walls of Karnak temple, 1731 01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:01,310 which show the Pharaoh Seti I, 1732 01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:03,580 who was the father of Ramesses II, 1733 01:29:03,580 --> 01:29:08,070 and what we have here is a 3300-year-old road map 1734 01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:11,780 containing the forts from Egypt's frontier, 1735 01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:14,420 depictions of forts, and their names, 1736 01:29:14,420 --> 01:29:16,190 stretching across northern Sinai 1737 01:29:16,190 --> 01:29:18,430 all the way to the land of Canaan. 1738 01:29:18,430 --> 01:29:20,480 This shows us water. 1739 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,130 We have pictures of lakes. 1740 01:29:22,130 --> 01:29:24,770 We have pictures of reeds growing out here, 1741 01:29:24,770 --> 01:29:26,633 but all of this is desert today. 1742 01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:30,340 The reeds depicted on the Karnak inscription 1743 01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:32,110 connect well with the popular 1744 01:29:32,110 --> 01:29:35,083 Sea of Reeds definition for Yam Suph. 1745 01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:39,380 So as time went on as we studied these inscriptions 1746 01:29:39,380 --> 01:29:41,570 and other Egyptian papyri, 1747 01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:44,340 suddenly there were names on these documents 1748 01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:48,203 that compared very favorably with what we have in the Bible. 1749 01:29:49,210 --> 01:29:52,440 Back in 1975, Professor Manfred Bietak 1750 01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:56,330 from University of Vienna proposed that this area 1751 01:29:56,330 --> 01:30:00,570 was known in Egyptian texts as Pa Tufy, 1752 01:30:00,570 --> 01:30:05,010 which means the marshlands, the watery area full of reeds, 1753 01:30:05,010 --> 01:30:08,750 and, linguistically, this word Tufy does correspond 1754 01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:11,370 to the Hebrew Yam Suph. 1755 01:30:11,370 --> 01:30:13,930 This is why I pulled Steve into this because 1756 01:30:13,930 --> 01:30:17,470 I needed somebody who could understand the sand, the dunes. 1757 01:30:17,470 --> 01:30:20,433 Where were these ancient lakes in what is now all desert? 1758 01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:24,210 Earlier, Professor Moshier had introduced me 1759 01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:26,920 to declassified spy satellite images 1760 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,263 of the area from the 1960s Cold War. 1761 01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:35,330 We can see the delineation of an ancient lagoon 1762 01:30:35,330 --> 01:30:38,010 back here that was set into the coast, 1763 01:30:38,010 --> 01:30:43,010 and we found river traces that take us into a depression, 1764 01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,223 which was called the Ballah Lakes. 1765 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:50,120 This is a possible location for Yam Suph. 1766 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,000 {\an8}If we looked at this land today, 1767 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,600 {\an8}it would be covered with agriculture, 1768 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,250 {\an8}and we wouldn't see all of the details 1769 01:30:56,250 --> 01:30:59,070 {\an8}that we could see 40 years ago on the ground. 1770 01:30:59,070 --> 01:31:00,610 In fact, look at that straight line. 1771 01:31:00,610 --> 01:31:04,977 That is the Mediterranean coast during the time of 1772 01:31:04,977 --> 01:31:08,000 Ramesses and the New Kingdom throughout the Bronze Age. 1773 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,610 How does it relate to the story of the Exodus? 1774 01:31:10,610 --> 01:31:13,370 The significance is on that Karnak relief 1775 01:31:13,370 --> 01:31:15,600 the third fort is called Migdol, 1776 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,420 the Migdol of Seti I. 1777 01:31:17,420 --> 01:31:20,700 That name Migdol is what piqued my attention, 1778 01:31:20,700 --> 01:31:25,360 because in Exodus 14:2 there's a site called Migdol, 1779 01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,400 which is by the sea that the Israelites crossed. 1780 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,690 And Migdol means "fortress" or "tower". 1781 01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:35,210 A colleague, Dr. Ellen Morris of Columbia University, 1782 01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:39,090 she wrote a 900-page dissertation on these forts, 1783 01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:41,580 their functions, their locations, et cetera, 1784 01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:43,210 and she concluded that there was 1785 01:31:43,210 --> 01:31:46,150 likely only one fort named Migdol 1786 01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:51,150 located in the northern part of Sinai in the New Kingdom. 1787 01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:54,810 It's not like there were Migdols all over the place. 1788 01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:56,240 And then we have the other clues. 1789 01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,370 For example, the canal system 1790 01:31:59,370 --> 01:32:03,740 that was discovered by Israeli geologists back in the 1970s 1791 01:32:04,660 --> 01:32:08,370 may have a link to the Exodus itinerary. 1792 01:32:08,370 --> 01:32:10,300 Yeah, Israeli geologists discovered traces 1793 01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:14,080 of a canal right here, and in my research, 1794 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,480 I began to look at the Biblical texts 1795 01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:20,570 because there you have in Exodus 14:2 1796 01:32:20,570 --> 01:32:22,120 a place called Pi-hahiroth, 1797 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,350 which means "the mouth of the canal". 1798 01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:28,410 And this is beside the sea that they pass through. 1799 01:32:28,410 --> 01:32:33,010 That word "hiroth" is an Akkadian Babylonian word for canal. 1800 01:32:33,010 --> 01:32:35,960 This is a man-made feature not a natural feature, 1801 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,270 and so suddenly the realization that 1802 01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:41,890 there was a canal on the frontier of Egypt 1803 01:32:41,890 --> 01:32:44,420 became something very interesting to us. 1804 01:32:44,420 --> 01:32:45,890 And you think that the toponyms, 1805 01:32:45,890 --> 01:32:48,030 the names that are used for these areas, 1806 01:32:48,030 --> 01:32:50,240 match the biblical narrative? 1807 01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,700 It does, so we have Migdol there. 1808 01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:54,610 We have the sea to the north, 1809 01:32:54,610 --> 01:32:55,550 and we have Baal-zephon. 1810 01:32:55,550 --> 01:32:58,220 That's a place called Tel Dephana over here. 1811 01:32:58,220 --> 01:33:00,430 Now that was a major temple of Baal-zephon, 1812 01:33:00,430 --> 01:33:01,530 the god Baal-zephon. 1813 01:33:01,530 --> 01:33:04,760 So, all those three toponyms locate Pi-hahiroth, 1814 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,823 the crossing point, right in the middle. 1815 01:33:08,420 --> 01:33:11,440 I asked Professor Hoffmeier how did the Israelites 1816 01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,493 end up at this Dead End at the Ballah Lakes? 1817 01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:18,090 They come to this area, 1818 01:33:18,090 --> 01:33:20,550 and they're on the edge of the wilderness. 1819 01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:25,180 They're about to leave Egypt Exodus 13:20 tells us, 1820 01:33:25,180 --> 01:33:28,290 and then suddenly they make a turn. 1821 01:33:28,290 --> 01:33:31,670 Exodus 14:1 and 2 indicates a turn, 1822 01:33:31,670 --> 01:33:34,940 and the word shuv means "to turn back". 1823 01:33:34,940 --> 01:33:37,170 Did they turn more to the east 1824 01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:39,450 or a little bit more to the west? 1825 01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:41,050 But clearly they're heading back 1826 01:33:41,050 --> 01:33:43,710 to the very area they were originally trying to avoid. 1827 01:33:43,710 --> 01:33:47,510 So we have a potential location for Yam Suph, 1828 01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:48,800 the Sea of Reeds. 1829 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,180 We have Migdol. 1830 01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:51,850 We have Pi-hahiroth. 1831 01:33:51,850 --> 01:33:56,850 That's the compelling evidence that this is the location. 1832 01:33:57,010 --> 01:33:59,530 However, I also noted in the Bible 1833 01:33:59,530 --> 01:34:02,230 that God told Moses that the southern border 1834 01:34:02,230 --> 01:34:05,510 of the promised land was at Yam Suph, 1835 01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:09,410 which historically has always been the Gulf of Aqaba. 1836 01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:12,793 This is a big problem for the Egyptian approach. 1837 01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:15,940 As a Hebrew scholar, 1838 01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:19,160 Professor Garrett also challenges these connections, 1839 01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,330 especially in the north, because of the Bible's command 1840 01:34:22,330 --> 01:34:25,450 not to go the way of the Philistines. 1841 01:34:25,450 --> 01:34:27,570 Well, I analyzed his arguments 1842 01:34:27,570 --> 01:34:31,020 pretty thoroughly in my book, and in my view, 1843 01:34:31,020 --> 01:34:33,300 I mean Dr. Hoffmeier is a great scholar, 1844 01:34:33,300 --> 01:34:36,230 but in my view he's just not correct. 1845 01:34:36,230 --> 01:34:38,670 He has them making movements 1846 01:34:38,670 --> 01:34:41,220 that the Bible says they didn't do. 1847 01:34:41,220 --> 01:34:44,850 Even his geographic layout of the lakes 1848 01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:49,000 and the fortresses is not compatible, 1849 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,093 in my view, with what the narrative says. 1850 01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:54,420 When I reread the verse about the Dead End, 1851 01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:56,250 it said the Israelites were to camp 1852 01:34:56,250 --> 01:34:58,550 between Migdol and the sea. 1853 01:34:58,550 --> 01:35:01,030 This would put the Migdol fort behind them 1854 01:35:01,030 --> 01:35:03,240 and the sea in front of them. 1855 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,170 But in this Egyptian proposal, 1856 01:35:05,170 --> 01:35:08,350 the Migdol fort was not behind them. 1857 01:35:08,350 --> 01:35:12,290 He has Israel on the other side of the lake, 1858 01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:14,440 and so it doesn't really fit the narrative. 1859 01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:18,700 I also found that not all egyptologists agree 1860 01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:20,560 that these biblical place-names 1861 01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,060 can be linked to Ballah Lake. 1862 01:35:23,060 --> 01:35:24,660 Professor Donald Redford 1863 01:35:24,660 --> 01:35:28,140 is one of the world's most respected egyptologists. 1864 01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:29,480 He was given the award for 1865 01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:32,290 Best Scholarly Book in Archaeology 1866 01:35:32,290 --> 01:35:36,590 for his work "Egypt, Canaan, and Israel In Ancient Times". 1867 01:35:36,590 --> 01:35:38,470 He notes that some of these sites 1868 01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:42,050 didn't exist until long after the Exodus. 1869 01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:47,050 {\an8}The reference to Baal-zephon is a late reference. 1870 01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,520 {\an8}That doesn't go back very early, 1871 01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,120 and Pi-hahiroth, if we have identified it correctly, 1872 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,223 belongs in the 4th century. 1873 01:35:56,170 --> 01:35:57,020 That's a late period site. 1874 01:35:57,020 --> 01:35:59,420 I don't know how Jim can deny it. 1875 01:35:59,420 --> 01:36:02,247 But at that point if you agree, 1876 01:36:02,247 --> 01:36:04,760 and I don't but many people do, 1877 01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,760 that suph, Yam Suph, is Tufy meaning "the reeds" 1878 01:36:10,030 --> 01:36:12,830 and it borders on Pi-Ramesses. 1879 01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:15,310 So, at that point they've come all the way around. 1880 01:36:15,310 --> 01:36:16,910 They're back where they started. 1881 01:36:17,950 --> 01:36:19,800 Right next door to Pi-Ramesses. 1882 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,543 It doesn't make sense. 1883 01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:25,200 Because of the northern route prohibition 1884 01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,220 in the Bible, some in the Egyptian approach, 1885 01:36:28,220 --> 01:36:31,970 like Dr. Beitzel, propose lakes further south, 1886 01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:34,650 which would require a different Migdol. 1887 01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:38,970 Beitzel suggests it's an Egyptian fort near Lake Timsah. 1888 01:36:38,970 --> 01:36:41,050 And when you add that to the prohibition 1889 01:36:41,050 --> 01:36:43,260 to follow this established road, 1890 01:36:43,260 --> 01:36:45,120 I think what it means is they got down 1891 01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,960 to this established road, 1892 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:50,160 and it was at that point somewhere around Migdol, 1893 01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,920 that the miraculous event took place. 1894 01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,840 Here you see the way to Shur. 1895 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:56,360 There's Timsah Lake. 1896 01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,790 Up here is where they started at Ramesses. 1897 01:36:59,790 --> 01:37:00,623 This is out. 1898 01:37:00,623 --> 01:37:03,160 That road is out because of Exodus 13. 1899 01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:04,260 This road is not out, 1900 01:37:04,260 --> 01:37:06,380 and, in fact, you have the same three sites. 1901 01:37:06,380 --> 01:37:10,610 Bing, bing, and bing, in the same sequence. 1902 01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:15,610 To me, this means that the most reasonable choice 1903 01:37:16,220 --> 01:37:20,330 would be the body of water that intersects the road to Shur. 1904 01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:25,280 I have singled out Timsah Lake 1905 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,570 as the point where I think it took place. 1906 01:37:28,570 --> 01:37:31,230 I noticed that all the different Egyptian proposals 1907 01:37:31,230 --> 01:37:34,156 for Yam Suph have different Migdols. 1908 01:37:34,156 --> 01:37:36,920 It makes me wonder if Egyptian place-names 1909 01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,583 really demand a crossing near Egypt. 1910 01:37:40,570 --> 01:37:43,010 So where does the Hebrew approach suggest 1911 01:37:43,010 --> 01:37:45,360 the Detour to a Dead End occurred? 1912 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:49,150 After leaving Egypt and crossing the Sinai wilderness, 1913 01:37:49,150 --> 01:37:50,770 there are three proposed routes 1914 01:37:50,770 --> 01:37:53,110 that lead to the Gulf of Aqaba. 1915 01:37:53,110 --> 01:37:55,260 One leads to the northern tip, 1916 01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:56,950 the second to the center, 1917 01:37:56,950 --> 01:38:00,763 and the third to the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula. 1918 01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:05,870 But if the Gulf of Aqaba is Yam Suph, 1919 01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:07,440 why hasn't it been considered 1920 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,560 as the sea of the Exodus before? 1921 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,790 The reason that the Septuagint assigned 1922 01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:15,840 the Red Sea term to Yam Suph is because 1923 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,710 it was the only body of water adjacent to Egypt 1924 01:38:18,710 --> 01:38:22,670 or Arabia recognized by the early Greek geographers. 1925 01:38:22,670 --> 01:38:24,280 The Greeks were the geographers 1926 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,820 par excellence of 2,000 years ago. 1927 01:38:26,820 --> 01:38:29,180 However, they failed to recognize 1928 01:38:29,180 --> 01:38:32,217 the existence of the Gulf of Aqaba. 1929 01:38:32,217 --> 01:38:34,600 Tim] The case Glen was making was that 1930 01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,460 although the Gulf of Aqaba existed in ancient times, 1931 01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:42,190 it was not included on maps made by Westerners. 1932 01:38:42,190 --> 01:38:44,560 Now, evidence of this lingering problem 1933 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,530 is seen in some relatively modern maps. 1934 01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:52,773 In this map from the 17th century you see the Red Sea, 1935 01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:56,860 but we do not see the Gulf of Aqaba. 1936 01:38:56,860 --> 01:38:59,730 Geographers long continued to interpret the Red Sea 1937 01:38:59,730 --> 01:39:02,110 and the Gulf of Suez as a single 1938 01:39:02,110 --> 01:39:05,220 shaft of water adjacent to Egypt. 1939 01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:06,943 But there's no Gulf of Aqaba. 1940 01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,330 Here is another example from the 18th Century. 1941 01:39:11,330 --> 01:39:14,350 Here we see the Red Sea, but guess what's missing? 1942 01:39:14,350 --> 01:39:16,650 The Gulf of Aqaba. 1943 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:19,140 For me this was incredible, 1944 01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:21,300 an entire sea was mis-drawn 1945 01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:24,370 and left off maps for centuries. 1946 01:39:24,370 --> 01:39:26,090 This misunderstanding continued 1947 01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:28,610 as a tradition into the 1800s. 1948 01:39:28,610 --> 01:39:30,320 Here's the point. 1949 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:34,770 If the Gulf of Aqaba was missing through much of history, 1950 01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:36,370 how could it be identified as 1951 01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:38,400 the biblical location of Yam Suph? 1952 01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:41,560 Well, that's interesting. 1953 01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,000 If the ancient understanding was that 1954 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,550 the Israelites crossed the only known sea 1955 01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:48,870 on their way to the mountain of God, 1956 01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:52,770 what happens if a previously unrecorded body of water, 1957 01:39:52,770 --> 01:39:56,963 called the Gulf of Aqaba, is inserted in its true location? 1958 01:39:58,050 --> 01:40:01,960 It might easily shift Mount Sinai to the other side of Aqaba 1959 01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,830 into the ancient land of Midian, 1960 01:40:04,830 --> 01:40:08,223 the area where Moses lived for 40 years. 1961 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,070 This is where the exodus explorers 1962 01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:14,930 have been searching for evidence of Mount Sinai 1963 01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:17,200 and diving in the Gulf of Aqaba, 1964 01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,693 looking for the remains of Pharaoh's army. 1965 01:40:21,970 --> 01:40:25,510 But before Aqaba's true extent was known to the West, 1966 01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:28,864 the traditional sites were already set in stone. 1967 01:40:28,864 --> 01:40:31,614 (dramatic music) 1968 01:40:34,219 --> 01:40:36,886 (gentle music) 1969 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:42,930 I went to the University of Cambridge 1970 01:40:42,930 --> 01:40:45,480 to interview Sir Colin Humphreys. 1971 01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,570 He is a highly-awarded physicist 1972 01:40:47,570 --> 01:40:50,400 working in the field of material science. 1973 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,640 Humphreys also believes the Exodus crossing site 1974 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,047 is at the Gulf of Aqaba as described in his book 1975 01:40:57,047 --> 01:40:59,107 "The Miracles Of Exodus". 1976 01:41:00,290 --> 01:41:03,280 I asked him about 19th century English geographer 1977 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,137 Charles Beke, who was one of the first to explore 1978 01:41:06,137 --> 01:41:09,083 the Gulf of Aqaba as the crossing site. 1979 01:41:10,030 --> 01:41:12,790 Beke was a great explorer. He's from England, right? 1980 01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:14,080 {\an8}He's from England, that's right, 1981 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,100 {\an8}a great explorer and renowned for being an explorer, 1982 01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:18,800 {\an8}and, in fact, he got the gold medal 1983 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,570 {\an8}of the Royal Geographical Society, 1984 01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:23,930 which is the highest award an explorer can get in England, 1985 01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:28,110 and he believed that Mount Sinai was in Arabia. 1986 01:41:28,110 --> 01:41:30,620 I didn't know this when I started my research, 1987 01:41:30,620 --> 01:41:32,990 and was sitting here in Selwyn College, 1988 01:41:32,990 --> 01:41:35,940 and Selwyn College Library has the original book, 1989 01:41:35,940 --> 01:41:38,860 which he started to write and his wife finished. 1990 01:41:38,860 --> 01:41:42,330 It's this beautifully bound volume. 1991 01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:46,810 It's called "Sinai in Arabia", by Beke. 1992 01:41:46,810 --> 01:41:48,410 But because of his work saying 1993 01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:50,300 that Mount Sinai was in Arabia, 1994 01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:52,280 he was regarded as a heretic 1995 01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,450 and his gold medal was taken away from him. 1996 01:41:54,450 --> 01:41:56,310 They took his gold medal away from him? 1997 01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:58,480 Was his gold medal for something else? 1998 01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:00,870 Yes, his gold medal was for his earlier discovery. 1999 01:42:00,870 --> 01:42:03,120 So he was a very distinguished geographer and explorer. 2000 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,540 So he got his gold medal and that was taken, 2001 01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:08,925 and then he said "I believe Mount Sinai is in Arabia." 2002 01:42:08,925 --> 01:42:10,800 Before this book was written, 2003 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,470 he wrote some other pamphlets about this. 2004 01:42:13,470 --> 01:42:16,780 There was correspondence in the Times newspaper of England, 2005 01:42:16,780 --> 01:42:19,723 and he was declared to be a heretic, essentially. 2006 01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:22,490 So they took his gold medal away. 2007 01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:24,670 The only time a gold medal has been taken away. 2008 01:42:24,670 --> 01:42:26,040 In the history of... In the history of 2009 01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,700 the Royal Geographic Society at the time, yes. 2010 01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:30,410 From that time until now, huh? 2011 01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:32,449 Yeah, that's right, yes. 2012 01:42:32,449 --> 01:42:35,500 So that tells you that if people have ideas 2013 01:42:35,500 --> 01:42:37,593 about the way things are supposed to be, 2014 01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,090 it's very difficult for anyone 2015 01:42:41,090 --> 01:42:42,580 to come up with new information. 2016 01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:44,550 That is right, that is right. 2017 01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:46,620 It's also true in the scientific field. 2018 01:42:46,620 --> 01:42:49,080 You say something against the accepted belief, 2019 01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,160 it's quite hard to get your work published, it can be. 2020 01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:56,630 I guess not much has changed in the last 150 years. 2021 01:42:56,630 --> 01:42:58,930 {\an8}Even I had to decide if I was willing 2022 01:42:58,930 --> 01:43:02,460 {\an8}to explore the idea of a crossing at Aqaba, 2023 01:43:02,460 --> 01:43:04,227 {\an8}because some scholars told me, 2024 01:43:04,227 --> 01:43:06,297 "If you're gonna talk about this, 2025 01:43:06,297 --> 01:43:08,690 "then I don't want to be involved." 2026 01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:11,540 They had already decided how things happened. 2027 01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:12,940 (gentle music) 2028 01:43:12,940 --> 01:43:16,440 But my approach has always been to look at all the views 2029 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:19,040 and see if a pattern of evidence will appear 2030 01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,280 that matches the biblical text, 2031 01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,673 because that's what I'm investigating. 2032 01:43:25,610 --> 01:43:28,930 What I know so far is that there is powerful evidence 2033 01:43:28,930 --> 01:43:31,640 for the Israelites' Departure Point, 2034 01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,620 That Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt 2035 01:43:34,620 --> 01:43:38,840 in a southeasterly Direction on a wilderness road. 2036 01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,020 That they could have traveled 2037 01:43:40,020 --> 01:43:42,650 a great distance across a Desert, 2038 01:43:42,650 --> 01:43:45,350 even with children and animals. 2039 01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:48,640 That in numerous biblical references the large number 2040 01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,910 of people on the Exodus journey were provided for 2041 01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:55,020 by God's supernatural care. 2042 01:43:55,020 --> 01:43:58,750 And if God went to these lengths for his people back then, 2043 01:43:58,750 --> 01:44:02,290 what does that mean for me and my family today 2044 01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:07,290 if I trust him in what appears to be impossible situations. 2045 01:44:10,144 --> 01:44:12,977 (dramatic music) 2046 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,960 In part two of the "Red Sea Miracle" investigation, 2047 01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,890 I look forward to exploring the Detour to the Dead End 2048 01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:22,670 locations for the Gulf of Aqaba, 2049 01:44:22,670 --> 01:44:25,630 and then onto the Deep Sea step. 2050 01:44:25,630 --> 01:44:28,800 Does Yam Suph really mean the "Sea of Reeds"? 2051 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,200 {\an8}Was it shallow or was it deep? 2052 01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,550 {\an8}And what would the parting of the sea look like 2053 01:44:33,550 --> 01:44:36,503 {\an8}in either the Egyptian or the Hebrew approach? 2054 01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,950 If this is the Yam Suph, 2055 01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:42,920 and they crossed this way heading back 2056 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,680 to the ancient land of Midian. 2057 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,860 If Moses was in this land, 2058 01:44:46,860 --> 01:44:48,340 and they were heading this direction, 2059 01:44:48,340 --> 01:44:50,402 and they turned back and went to this location. 2060 01:44:50,402 --> 01:44:53,650 Yeah, okay, I think most scholars would argue 2061 01:44:53,650 --> 01:44:56,630 and accept the fact that this is definitely also Yam Suph. 2062 01:44:56,630 --> 01:44:59,150 The question is: Is there more than one Yam Suph? 2063 01:44:59,150 --> 01:45:03,090 If that sort of water can be moved by wind, even by miracle, 2064 01:45:03,090 --> 01:45:04,680 what sort of miracle could do that? 2065 01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,740 And what sort of people could stand the strength of the wind 2066 01:45:07,740 --> 01:45:09,730 that would part that depth of water. 2067 01:45:09,730 --> 01:45:11,020 Nobody could stand and walk 2068 01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:13,110 that land bridge in that sort of wind. 2069 01:45:13,110 --> 01:45:15,047 It would be impossible. 2070 01:45:15,047 --> 01:45:18,440 (dramatic music) 2071 01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:22,460 The Gulf of Aqaba is part of the Rift Valley 2072 01:45:22,460 --> 01:45:26,683 which stretches through Israel all the way to Africa. 2073 01:45:27,948 --> 01:45:31,698 (dramatic theatrical music) 2074 01:45:43,535 --> 01:45:45,930 The depths of Aqaba reach down 2075 01:45:45,930 --> 01:45:48,803 thousands of feet to the seafloor. 2076 01:45:50,460 --> 01:45:53,400 If the Red Sea miracle happened here, 2077 01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:56,123 it would be bigger than anyone could have imagined. 2078 01:46:03,450 --> 01:46:05,220 If this is the site of the crossing, 2079 01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:07,900 we would expect to find physical remains 2080 01:46:07,900 --> 01:46:11,040 of the Egyptian army on the seabed. 2081 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,730 You bring me up one chariot wheel from that, 2082 01:46:13,730 --> 01:46:16,624 the bottom of the sea there, and I'll be convinced. 2083 01:46:16,624 --> 01:46:19,457 (dramatic music) 2084 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,490 We cannot minimize the location of the Exodus. 2085 01:46:24,490 --> 01:46:28,550 These were waters that could destroy an entire army. 2086 01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:29,600 That could be described 2087 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:33,200 as the very foundations of the Earth. 2088 01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:34,930 Could the Red Sea miracle 2089 01:46:34,930 --> 01:46:37,703 really have happened at the Gulf of Aqaba? 2090 01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:43,180 Or did the crossing happen at the border lakes? 2091 01:46:43,180 --> 01:46:46,080 I think it is possible to demonstrate 2092 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,360 from inside the Bible itself that it took place 2093 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,320 in close proximity to Egypt. 2094 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,090 I think that's definitive. 2095 01:46:54,090 --> 01:46:56,450 The Bible tells you it was a natural mechanism. 2096 01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:57,760 It's explicit. 2097 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:01,460 {\an8}If you had told me that somewhere near the Sinai, 2098 01:47:01,460 --> 01:47:05,013 {\an8}wind blows and splits the water, I could find it from there. 2099 01:47:05,930 --> 01:47:09,520 Make the sea small, put it close to Egypt, 2100 01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,370 all of a sudden it calls into question 2101 01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:13,340 the biblical text itself. 2102 01:47:13,340 --> 01:47:15,080 Do you think that there are such things 2103 01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:17,160 as miracles that are actually supernatural, 2104 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:18,680 {\an8}not just naturalistic? 2105 01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,300 {\an8}Do you mean spectacular supernatural? 2106 01:47:21,300 --> 01:47:25,220 {\an8}Today, we have hundreds of millions of people 2107 01:47:25,220 --> 01:47:27,140 {\an8}who claim to have witnessed miracles, 2108 01:47:27,140 --> 01:47:30,170 and people actually who are in our academic environment 2109 01:47:30,170 --> 01:47:33,767 are sticking our necks out to talk about this. 2110 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,780 What kind of miracle 2111 01:47:36,780 --> 01:47:40,520 would either of these scenarios require? 2112 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:44,760 {\an8}It was something that God did to blow their minds. 2113 01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:45,593 He could have delivered them 2114 01:47:45,593 --> 01:47:47,960 a thousand other less-dramatic ways. 2115 01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:48,793 He chose not to. 2116 01:47:48,793 --> 01:47:51,360 He chose to do it in such a way that it was 2117 01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,140 for maximum effect that they would never forget it. 2118 01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:56,730 That they would talk about it for millennia 2119 01:47:56,730 --> 01:48:00,993 because no one ever parts bodies of water. 2120 01:48:01,932 --> 01:48:04,849 (thunder rumbling) 2121 01:48:16,910 --> 01:48:18,250 I look forward to seeing where 2122 01:48:18,250 --> 01:48:20,730 the biblical pattern fits best. 2123 01:48:20,730 --> 01:48:24,530 This investigation has a lot more to uncover. 2124 01:48:30,453 --> 01:48:33,703 (upbeat uptempo music) 2125 01:52:03,797 --> 01:52:06,464 (gentle music) 159298

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