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-You say you don't read
the newspaper articles,
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magazine articles
that are written about you.
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You don't read your own press.
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I want to read you something
that "Rolling Stone" wrote...
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-Watermelon, watermelon,
peanut butter, peanut butter.
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Okay, fire away.
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-"You can cast
a pretty wide net
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among Sheryl Crow's
acquaintances
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without finding anyone
ready to describe her beyond
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that familiar backhanded
compliment of driven."
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-Ew. Way to kick it up
a notch, Steve.
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-You are driven, though.
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-I think the negative
connotations that have been
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associated with driven
and perfectionist
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usually get put into
that category of bitch.
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I think that's just
by nature of the fact
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that you have a woman who's
at the head of a company
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telling a bunch of
men and women
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how things have to be done.
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I've been long
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A long way from here
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I put on a poncho,
played for mosquitoes
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And drank till
I was thirsty again
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-You have seemed
to chart your own course.
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-Multi-Grammy-winning artist
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who has sold over 50 million
albums worldwide.
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- Found Geronimo's rifle,
Marilyn's shampoo
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And Benny Goodman's
corset and pen
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My definition of driven,
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it's been the pressure
I've put on myself.
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You don't get there by just,
you know, having a great time.
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You get there by, like,
digging deep.
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If it makes you happy
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It can't be that ba-a-a-ad
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If it makes you happy
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Then why the hell
are you so sad?
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If it makes you happy,
yeah
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It can't be that ba-a-a-ad
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If it makes you happy
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Then why the hell
are you so sad?
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Whoo!
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I think from an early age,
I knew music
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was this joyful thing,
this nerve-racking thing,
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and then ultimately
this rewarding thing.
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I've always had real high
highs and real low lows,
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and that is a part of...
who I am.
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And I shall believe
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Can we sing three-part
on that?
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And I shall believe
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Are you singing it --
what are you singing?
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- I shall believe
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-What are you singing?
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- I shall believe
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-Sheryl is the voice
of a generation
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in the area of acknowledging
flaw and heartbreak.
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- Ah, ah, ah, ah
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-We fell in love
with her writing
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because that was us,
all of us.
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- Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
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Ah-ah-ah-ah
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Music gave me a sense of self.
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It gave me permission
to talk about my feelings.
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It's something
that also can be a curse
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when it comes to
needing to produce,
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needing for it
not to just be good,
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for it to be great.
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-Sheryl has fierce work ethic.
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It says a lot about her drive
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with which she attacks
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something that
she's into artistically.
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-It's complicated to be
a woman in the music industry
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because you have to work
twice as hard.
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You have to be twice as loud
to make your voice heard.
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- Never gonna give up, no
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-Everything was gonna cost
Sheryl.
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What are you gonna sacrifice
as a woman
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to be allowed this?
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-It's always hard to look back
and talk about who you were,
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'cause it's only
who you think you were.
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-Settle a bet for me now.
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Did you ever do
a McDonald's commercial?
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-Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's a good time...
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For the great taste
of McDonald's
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-That was you.
Oh, that was you.
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-My hometown is in
the boot heel of Missouri.
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I was a music geek
at a really young age.
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I wanted to know who played
on everything,
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and I wanted to know
what all the words were.
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I can remember going into
the living room
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and turning the lights off
and playing the piano.
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And that was where I felt like
I had found myself.
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I went to
the University of Missouri
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just like my older sister did.
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I majored in music --
piano performance
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with a secondary in education.
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When I got out of school,
I got into a cover band.
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I interviewed
for several teaching jobs
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and wound up
in Rockwood School District,
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which is public school system.
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I was engaged.
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I was engaged to
the guitar player in the band
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who is a born-again Christian,
and so he's like,
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"If you're not gonna
sing for the Lord,
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we can't be together."
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It did not feel like
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I was breaking
any of the Commandments,
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and I was just like,
"I like singing in bands.
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I like playing keyboards.
I like pop music.
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I like getting better
at my instrument."
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Anyway, that was
the beginning of the end
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of that relationship,
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the first of three
engagements.
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There are certain things
that you look at
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in the story of your life.
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Like, not everything
in your life
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is gonna be mapped out
for you.
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They are gonna be things
that happen
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that you wouldn't have been
able to dream about.
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It's a good time for the
great taste of McDonald's
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I wound up making
in that 45 minutes of work
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well over what I'd made
in two years of teaching.
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And when I got that
commercial, I felt like,
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you know, if I'm ever gonna go
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and try to make a living
as an artist,
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I need to do it now
while I'm not married
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and have my life
in front of me.
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I went home on a Tuesday
and told my parents,
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"I'm moving to L.A."
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And they said, "When?"
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I said, "I'm leaving
on Sunday."
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So...
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I mean, it's kind of psycho.
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I think pulling into L.A. when
the only city you've ever seen
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is St. Louis
is kind of inexplicable.
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So I got a book of studios,
working studios in L.A.,
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and then I got a Thomas Guide
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and I wrote out
all the addresses
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and just drove around all day
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and took my cassette tape
in the door
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and I'd say,
"I am Sheryl Crow.
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I'm brand-new in town.
I have this demo tape.
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Can you please make sure that
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somebody hears it
or whatever?"
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I mean, totally naive.
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I took my music around,
and people didn't want to know
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about a female.
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And this is -- this is
pre-Tracy Chapman, right?
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And I came out one day and
there was a boot on my car,
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and I couldn't afford
to get the boot off,
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so I lost my car.
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And I was just like,
"Oh, my God. Why am I here?
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What have I done?
How do I get back home?"
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I got a waitress job
in the Valley
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at a place called Le Cafe,
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and lots of musicians
came through there.
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One night I was working and
this man, Les Hooper, was in,
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and I was told that he was
a commercial producer.
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Snuck him a tape.
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I knew there was a chance
I'd get fired.
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The next morning,
I was let go.
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But he listened to my tape.
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He called and said,
"I don't usually
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listen to people's tapes
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if they give them to me
in a restaurant or something."
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He's like, "It's really good.
Would you come in?
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And I've got a spot
I'm gonna have you try on."
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So then I started getting,
like, little pieces
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of work here and there.
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I remember calling my parents
and saying,
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"I'm doing a Johnny Mathis
recording session today."
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And they're like,
"That's great!
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You can come home now.
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You've made it."
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I think I was on the last
episode of "Cop Rock."
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It was a detective show
that was a musical,
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if you can imagine.
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He's just a squirrel
waiting for a pretty girl
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He'd like to have his way
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There was, like,
a dance routine and a song.
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In fact, I think it might have
already been canceled,
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and this was the last one.
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- Come and get it, hey
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I got something for you
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Come on, come and get it
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-I had a four-track recorder.
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I would come home from work,
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and I would sit
at that four-track,
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and I would sing with
Chaka Khan
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and then I would sing
with Ann Wilson.
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I was just always trying
to get my voice
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to where I could sort of mimic
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and also where I could
kind of control it.
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I would practice,
and I would try to write
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on my keyboard,
I had a drum program.
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I didn't have
any air conditioning,
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and people all night,
like 00 in the morning --
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"Can you shut the fuck up?"
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But I just was driven,
you know,
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and then I would sleep till
noon and I would go to work.
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And then it just was a cycle
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until
the Michael Jackson tour.
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I found out about
the Michael Jackson audition,
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snuck in, and auditioned.
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I basically just looked
into the camera and said,
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"Hi, Michael, my name is
Sheryl Crow.
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I'm from Missouri.
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I was a schoolteacher
and I'm a singer."
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-I remember auditioning
Sheryl.
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She was just a little
perky kid
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and with a high voice,
you know,
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and she was cool.
She had a cool sound.
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And I thought,
okay, let's go with this.
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-We got on an airplane, a 747,
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which I'd never seen.
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I'd never been
out of the country.
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We were fitted for costumes.
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We were given a look.
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Like, I had this great,
big blond hair.
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It's just one of those things
that really doesn't hit you
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until you begin rehearsing,
again, getting your passport.
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You sell your car.
You get rid of your apartment.
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And then all of a sudden,
you find yourself
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in front of 60,000 people.
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I came up
the Michael Jackson tour
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with some of the most
important...
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relationships in my life.
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-The first time I met Sheryl
was in Japan.
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I was working on the "Bad"
tour in a funny capacity
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as sort of a marketing liaison
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between Pepsi
and Michael's camp.
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I think most people assumed
I worked for Pepsi,
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which I didn't,
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I knew they would
never hire a person like me.
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I do recall a moment
at soundcheck.
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Sheryl took the mic,
and I definitely did
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a turnaround double take,
and I was like, "Wow."
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- Then tell me
just what did I do?
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-Somebody introduced me
to Sheryl.
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We became comfortable
as friends, really.
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-He and I just became
very, very, very close.
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And one of the reasons
we were so close
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was he just knew so much
about every genre of music.
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So he and I just became
really great friends.
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We continued that friendship
after the Jackson tour,
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and then he ultimately
became my manager.
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-Sheryl, Scooter, and myself,
we hung out a lot.
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We spent a lot of time
together,
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you know, away from the band
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and everything,
and she was always so curious,
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wanted to learn everything,
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wanted to learn guitar,
keyboards.
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-Greg would come over,
and he would give me
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his philosophies
on building musical hooks,
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and we did a bunch
of writing together.
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-Sheryl was focused
on songwriting
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and developing her palette
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and where she wanted to go
from the get-go.
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She was always making music.
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- Hurry, operator,
get redemption on the line
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I was invited to hang out
in the "A" camp.
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While we were in Tokyo,
I got a phone call
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from one of Michael's
security guys saying,
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"Hey, Mike wants you
to come over
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and watch a couple of movies."
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I go over
to Michael's hotel room.
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We watch "Amos 'n' Andy,"
and then we watched "Shane,"
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and he's giggling,
and Bubbles is around.
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When Bubbles wouldn't behave,
he would take a ballpoint pen
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and he'd, like,
poke him in the chest
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to get his attention
and stuff.
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I mean, it was like...
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It was crazy.
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-He did poke him with a BIC.
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He just would do like,
"Quit it."
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You know,
you read about chimps,
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what they can do to a person.
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-Yeah, I mean,
even when I'm telling it,
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I'm thinking this is
the weirdest thing ever.
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But I didn't ever
really get to know him.
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I was pretty naive,
281
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but I still thought it was
so weird that Michael had,
282
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you know, a couple little boys
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on the road with him
at different times.
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Now, knowing what is alleged,
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it makes me sad
for the life he had.
286
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Obviously, it makes us
all sad for the children.
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It's just -- it's devastating
to even think about.
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-"I Just Can't Stop
Loving You" was a big
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duet moment in the tour.
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Sheryl was put in
that spotlight,
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and she commanded it.
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She belted it out
nose-to-nose with Michael.
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-She couldn't believe
she had to walk out
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in this tight miniskirt
and wear these wigs
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that were almost
as big as she was.
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You know, massive wig,
you know, and all made up
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and all dolled up
in the heels and everything.
298
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- When morning awakes me
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Sometimes he'd really want it
to look sexual,
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you know,
like, he'd grab my hip.
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And by the end of that tour,
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everywhere
in all the tabloids,
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I was gonna marry him,
I was gonna have his baby.
304
00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:58,314
-The tabloid aspect
of the Jackson tour
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was super extreme.
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The press was saying that
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Sheryl and Michael
were a couple.
308
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-I mean, please, you know?
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You sing the duet,
so obviously,
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"Oh, then you must be
seeing each other."
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"No, we're singing a duet."
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-Every article would be
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so completely outlandish
about me.
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In hindsight, it probably was
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planted with publicists
and things.
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- And if I stop
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-I think the first time
I spoke my mind, lyrically,
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it was a song called
"What I Can Do for You."
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The song is really
from the standpoint
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of the sexual harasser,
particularly in our business.
321
00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:40,856
It was about my own experience
with sexual harassment.
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What I can do for you
323
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There's no one else
on God's green earth can do
324
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There was a lot of interest
325
00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:56,622
from Michael Jackson's manager
to manage me.
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This manager was signed to
manage Michael specifically,
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and only,
so for him to manage me,
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00:16:01,418 --> 00:16:02,920
he would have been fired.
329
00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,380
Now, I don't know anything
330
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about how
the music business works.
331
00:16:05,589 --> 00:16:07,341
I know you get your songs
to somebody
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who either is a producer
or is inside the record label,
333
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or they come see you,
334
00:16:11,261 --> 00:16:12,429
and then you worked
really hard
335
00:16:12,429 --> 00:16:13,931
and you were
a really nice person
336
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and you wrote good songs,
337
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,351
and then you made it
or you didn't make it.
338
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I have so much to offer
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If you just be nice
340
00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:27,319
If you do what I say and
don't make me say it twice
341
00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:29,947
He said, "This is what
we're gonna be able to do.
342
00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,740
We will guarantee
343
00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:34,159
that the album will come out
in the top 10
344
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and the single will come out
as well in the top 10."
345
00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:41,417
Within a matter of
a couple weeks,
346
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any kind of event
that was held,
347
00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:46,338
I always had to go
with Michael's manager,
348
00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:48,424
and then
the sexual harassment started
349
00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:51,301
with his manager being,
like, all over me,
350
00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:56,432
and it was a constant battle
of keeping him off of me.
351
00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:58,308
-Frank was a gangster.
352
00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:00,436
You know,
let's not sugarcoat that.
353
00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:03,063
I mean, he wasn't cast
in the movie "Goodfellas"
354
00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:04,231
by accident.
355
00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:06,525
-She confided in me
that there was pressure on her
356
00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:09,695
to become more familiar
with Frank
357
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on levels
that she was uncomfortable.
358
00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:13,741
-I told
the three backup singers
359
00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,909
that I was working with
what had happened,
360
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:17,286
and I was really terrified.
361
00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:22,207
So I finally contacted a very
high-powered music attorney,
362
00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:24,168
and I said,
"Look, I'm frightened.
363
00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:28,255
I've already been told
if I ever blow this cover
364
00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:30,674
that I will never work again
365
00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:32,384
and that I need
to watch my back."
366
00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,386
And then he ultimately, at
the end of the meeting, said,
367
00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:39,224
"Look, you will come out ahead
if you can just stick it out."
368
00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:42,478
And the last thing he said
was that, "There are people
369
00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:45,314
that would die to be
in this situation."
370
00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:51,403
And I just sunk into the
darkest, most depressed place,
371
00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:55,908
just the disappointment of
the way the real world works.
372
00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,911
And I was really destroyed.
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What I can do for you
374
00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:04,708
There's no one else,
no one else
375
00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:08,420
No one else gonna do
for you
376
00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:10,589
Just ask anybody
377
00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:13,217
And they'll tell you
that it's true
378
00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:14,593
There's no one else
on earth
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00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:19,306
Can do the things
that I can do for you
380
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Yeah, for you
381
00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,018
-One day I was sitting
in my office,
382
00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,436
I got a call from Frank.
383
00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:27,689
He said to me that he didn't
like what she had to say
384
00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:29,441
in one of her songs,
and he said,
385
00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:32,277
"Well, we're gonna sue you."
And I said, "Go for it."
386
00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:34,780
And I never heard from him
again.
387
00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:41,203
-When I got home
from the Jackson tour
388
00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:43,372
and after I kind of
pulled myself together,
389
00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,958
I auditioned for this band
called Toy Matinee
390
00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:47,126
that Kevin Gilbert was in,
391
00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,585
and I got the part
of keyboard player
392
00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:52,047
and started dating Kevin,
which is such a cliché.
393
00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:54,133
But this guy was so talented.
394
00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,343
So he invited me
to this thing called
395
00:18:56,343 --> 00:18:57,678
the Tuesday Night Music Club.
396
00:18:57,678 --> 00:19:01,890
-What in the world is
the Tuesday Night Music Club?
397
00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,851
-A club of wild partiers
398
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:06,687
who all happen to be
artists in L.A.
399
00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:08,105
It was a pretty heady crowd.
400
00:19:08,105 --> 00:19:09,648
I mean, it was
a lot of drinking
401
00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:11,608
and some guys dropping acid.
402
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:14,695
I mean, it was like
freethinkers.
403
00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:17,197
-Kevin Gilbert brought her in
404
00:19:17,197 --> 00:19:21,368
to our Tuesday Night session
very early on.
405
00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,828
It was unbelievable.
406
00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:27,541
Something of a higher order
came together.
407
00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:31,211
-I think the first session
we did,
408
00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:34,298
we wrote and recorded
"Leaving Las Vegas."
409
00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:36,383
-Sheryl took the lyric sheet
and started singing.
410
00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:40,596
She sat over on a chair over
in the corner and sang it,
411
00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:41,972
and she sang
the shit out of it.
412
00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:46,226
-I remember Bill saying to me,
"I love your singing
413
00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:49,062
when you're not trying
to sing great."
414
00:19:49,062 --> 00:19:52,524
-The diversity of her vocals,
I mean, it's unbelievable.
415
00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:55,569
She owns every song,
owns every character.
416
00:19:55,569 --> 00:20:00,282
When she sings
and also when we write,
417
00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:01,575
everything came to life.
418
00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:04,536
-I think up until that point,
there was not, like, a,
419
00:20:04,536 --> 00:20:06,663
"We're making
a record for this girl."
420
00:20:06,663 --> 00:20:10,751
And then Bill started really
managing the situation,
421
00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:12,878
only letting people come in
when needed.
422
00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:15,756
And Kevin didn't like
not being invited,
423
00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:18,258
so that started
to cause real friction,
424
00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:21,220
and our relationship
started deteriorating.
425
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:25,182
-I was in charge of
getting it made
426
00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:28,060
and curating it,
if that's the word.
427
00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,394
It's like a stew.
428
00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:34,274
The other band guys --
they weren't there for that.
429
00:20:34,274 --> 00:20:35,692
-We would drink a bunch,
430
00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:37,778
we'd go to the bookstore
down the road,
431
00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:41,406
and we bought a poetry book
by this man named Wyn Cooper.
432
00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:44,701
And there was a poem in it
first thing called "Fun."
433
00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:46,245
It started off with,
"All I want to do
434
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,331
is have a little fun
before I die."
435
00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:51,458
And so we had
this groove going
436
00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:54,294
that was somewhere between
Stealers Wheel
437
00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:56,380
and a Marvin Gaye track,
438
00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:57,714
and I picked up
the poetry book
439
00:20:57,714 --> 00:21:00,634
and started just
kind of free form,
440
00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,470
All I wanna do is have
a little fun before I die
441
00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:05,973
Says a man next to me
out of nowhere
442
00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:08,850
And I just kind of
acted out the poem.
443
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:12,604
And then we put
this hook in --
444
00:21:12,604 --> 00:21:14,690
All I wanna do
445
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:15,816
And that became the song.
446
00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:18,860
All I wanna do
is have some fun
447
00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:22,739
I got a feeling
I'm not the only one
448
00:21:22,739 --> 00:21:24,032
Well, all I wanna do
449
00:21:24,032 --> 00:21:26,618
By the end of the record,
I was thinking, you know,
450
00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:29,788
that song is really cool,
but it's -- it's such a B-side
451
00:21:29,788 --> 00:21:33,792
and it's so esoteric
and so quirky.
452
00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,502
We should just leave it off.
453
00:21:35,502 --> 00:21:36,878
And Bill's like,
"We can't leave it off."
454
00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,588
And I was like, "Well,
I got to contact this guy
455
00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,466
and tell him
we've used his poem."
456
00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:43,468
So we looked for him.
I called him.
457
00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:45,387
I was like,
"I know you don't know me.
458
00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:46,805
We've used your poem.
459
00:21:46,805 --> 00:21:49,683
We want to give you, you know,
half the songwriting,
460
00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,144
should the thing
ever see the light of day."
461
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,272
And he's like, "Oh,
that's great, that's great.
462
00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:00,569
I like a good beer buzz
early in the morning
463
00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:02,571
And Billy likes to
peel the labels
464
00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:03,947
Off those bottles of Bud
465
00:22:03,947 --> 00:22:08,076
The anniversary Woodstock
in '94 was a game changer.
466
00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:10,704
We came out
and we played our hearts out,
467
00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:14,458
and then suddenly
we were being noticed.
468
00:22:14,458 --> 00:22:17,127
-It's really quite a thing
to witness.
469
00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:18,754
It's like a match striking
470
00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,506
and then somebody
throwing oil on it.
471
00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:23,508
It moves so fast
you don't even know
472
00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:25,260
what your next move is.
473
00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:31,016
- Until the sun comes up
over Santa Monica Boulevard
474
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,018
-All of a sudden
you're hearing it, like,
475
00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:36,021
in drugstores
and grocery stores
476
00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:39,649
and then magazines
are talking about it.
477
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:43,737
Hairdressers are giving people
the Sheryl Crow curls.
478
00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,447
The song was everywhere.
479
00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:50,243
- All I wanna do
is have some fun
480
00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:51,578
-Oh!
481
00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:53,497
-There's a moment
when a hit song
482
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,499
takes on its own life.
483
00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:57,834
It becomes bigger
than the song
484
00:22:57,834 --> 00:22:59,961
and sometimes bigger
than the artist.
485
00:22:59,961 --> 00:23:02,672
And that's definitely
something to watch out for,
486
00:23:02,672 --> 00:23:05,217
especially on
your first album.
487
00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:11,431
-They put
"Leaving Las Vegas" out
488
00:23:11,431 --> 00:23:13,016
and it started
to have traction.
489
00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:16,061
We started to get some TV,
and I got David Letterman.
490
00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:19,272
-Now, this right here, kids,
is her debut CD entitled
491
00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:20,690
"Tuesday Night Music Club."
492
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:23,527
Making her first appearance
with us,
493
00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:24,694
here's Sheryl Crow.
494
00:23:24,694 --> 00:23:26,446
Sheryl, come on out.
495
00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:38,792
Life springs eternal
496
00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:42,629
On a gaudy neon street
497
00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:45,173
Not that I care at all
498
00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:48,969
Now I'm...
499
00:23:48,969 --> 00:23:50,512
You know, you grow up
and you watch TV,
500
00:23:50,512 --> 00:23:51,888
and you see Ed Sullivan
and you see Dick Clark
501
00:23:51,888 --> 00:23:53,723
and he's interviewing people
and stuff.
502
00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:55,100
And that's TV, you know,
503
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,269
and then all of a sudden
you're on TV.
504
00:23:57,269 --> 00:24:01,857
I'm leaving Las Vegas
505
00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:05,735
David Letterman, who
was really the first person
506
00:24:05,735 --> 00:24:07,946
to have me on national TV,
507
00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:10,157
who had kind of discovered
the record on his own
508
00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:12,200
driving back and forth to
his house in Connecticut,
509
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,910
said, you know,
"Come over and talk to me,"
510
00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:16,746
and, you know,
it was Dave Letterman.
511
00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:19,416
-Nice to see you.
Thanks for being here.
512
00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:21,251
-Thank you.
-Have a seat there.
513
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:24,880
The crowd goes crazy.
-Whaa!
514
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,590
He said,
"So what is this song?
515
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:28,049
Is this thing
autobiographical?"
516
00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:30,802
And I'm so nervous, I'm like,
"Well, I mean, kind of."
517
00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:32,679
-I'm guessing -- and I think
I know the answer to this --
518
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:34,973
that song in some way
must be autobiographical.
519
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,933
Is that correct?
-Uh, yes.
520
00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:40,312
-Which is a stupid question
for a guy like him.
521
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:44,733
It's like, it's a character
sung by Sheryl Crow.
522
00:24:44,733 --> 00:24:47,569
This is a little complicated
to describe, right?
523
00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:50,155
So she said, "Yeah."
524
00:24:51,698 --> 00:24:53,575
Well, you know...
525
00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:55,452
-I've never lived there.
-You never lived in Las Vegas.
526
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:56,870
-No, I haven't.
-You worked there?
527
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:58,497
-Haven't really worked there
either.
528
00:24:58,497 --> 00:24:59,664
-Have you ever been there?
529
00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:00,957
-Yes, I've lost
a lot of money there.
530
00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,626
-Could you find it on a map?
-Yes.
531
00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:05,212
I wasn't prepared for
how overwhelming
532
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:08,840
it would feel to have somebody
that I had watched on TV
533
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,217
ask me questions.
534
00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,093
Originally, the song was very
metaphorical for Los Angeles,
535
00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:14,137
that people move there
with these great dreams
536
00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:15,847
and they wind up
being very disillusioned.
537
00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:19,643
And so that's what Las Vegas
seems to exemplify.
538
00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:20,936
-Then why didn't you
call the song
539
00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,020
"I'm Leaving Los Angeles"?
540
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,314
In fact,
every major American city --
541
00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:26,733
"I'm Leaving Minneapolis."
542
00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:28,026
"I'm Leaving Milwaukee."
543
00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:29,903
-Milwaukee's a good one, yeah.
544
00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:32,489
"I'm Leaving New York"...
shortly.
545
00:25:32,489 --> 00:25:33,615
-No.
546
00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,827
-Yes, if I could go back
and do it again,
547
00:25:37,827 --> 00:25:39,246
certainly I would feel my feet
548
00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,706
and I would try to put myself
in my body and I would say,
549
00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:43,667
"You know, what a great
experience being in a room
550
00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:45,919
with all these incredible,
intellectual people
551
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,671
and being able
to jam a song out
552
00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:49,089
and put together lyrics
together."
553
00:25:49,089 --> 00:25:52,759
And, you know, I could have
told that story, you know,
554
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,220
but I couldn't think.
555
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:59,099
-The drama that followed --
it was a shit show.
556
00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:03,645
-And I came home the next day
to just a massive blow-up
557
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,939
of the guys in the group
saying,
558
00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:07,816
"She's taken
totally credit for it."
559
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,068
And then come to find out
that there had been a book
560
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,695
called "Leaving Las Vegas."
561
00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:15,031
And the title
was brought in to us
562
00:26:15,031 --> 00:26:17,993
by one of the guys in
the Tuesday Night Music Club.
563
00:26:17,993 --> 00:26:20,787
And he had said
we had promised the writer,
564
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,122
John O'Brien, publishing,
565
00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:24,165
and that
I was fully aware of it.
566
00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:28,461
And after David Letterman,
the author committed suicide.
567
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:32,424
And...
568
00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:36,886
I just...
569
00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,139
I mean,
I just went into a hole.
570
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:41,975
I -- I just went into a hole.
571
00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:46,104
-The press unfairly cast her
as the bad guy,
572
00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,441
and she carried that weight
for a long time.
573
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,862
-It's that good-girl thing
where you're just like,
574
00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:55,238
"I would never hurt anybody.
575
00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:56,865
I would never want
anybody to be hurt."
576
00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:59,075
And then
it's all of that, you know.
577
00:26:59,075 --> 00:27:02,912
It all ties into...
578
00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:04,706
you know, work hard,
be a good person.
579
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,958
And then you just --
all of a sudden,
580
00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:08,585
you just wake up and you're --
581
00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:12,380
wake up and you realize, wow.
582
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,549
What happened? So...
583
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,679
Can we just
take a break for a second?
584
00:27:23,099 --> 00:27:25,477
Picking up an "L.A. Weekly"
and seeing an interview
585
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,772
with the person that was in
Tuesday Night Music Club,
586
00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:31,983
and to read it in print
and to see the lies --
587
00:27:31,983 --> 00:27:33,902
it changed me.
588
00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:36,112
-I never supported
that narrative.
589
00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:37,906
The press wants a drama.
590
00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:41,951
-It took that little,
innocent, young person
591
00:27:41,951 --> 00:27:43,286
that was on David Letterman
592
00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:48,166
and made me not want to be
accessible anymore.
593
00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,464
-And the Best New Artist is...
594
00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,132
-Sheryl Crow.
595
00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:58,093
-At that point, there was
quite a lot of friction
596
00:27:58,093 --> 00:27:59,386
with the
Tuesday Night Music Club.
597
00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,222
And I remember looking out
and seeing them
598
00:28:02,222 --> 00:28:06,017
and not feeling the happiness
or the pride.
599
00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:07,227
But nonetheless,
they were there,
600
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:09,938
and just how self-conscious
I felt.
601
00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:11,731
Most importantly, I want
to thank Bill Bottrell,
602
00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:13,149
who helped me make
this record,
603
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:15,235
and all the artists I've been
very inspired by --
604
00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:17,862
David Baerwald,
David Ricketts, Kevin Gilbert.
605
00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,280
Wyn Cooper, who actually
came up with
606
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,990
"All I wanna do
is have some fun."
607
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,867
Most importantly, though,
I want to thank my manager,
608
00:28:22,867 --> 00:28:25,870
who's a first-time manager
who's been working for
609
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:28,206
no money up until now for me.
610
00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:30,083
He's my best friend.
His name's Scooter.
611
00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:32,127
And he really deserves this.
612
00:28:32,127 --> 00:28:33,753
By the end of the night,
613
00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,380
the last award --
it's the biggest award.
614
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,799
You're up against
Bruce Springsteen.
615
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,677
I was not thinking
that I was gonna win.
616
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:43,805
-And the Record of the Year
is...
617
00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,058
..."All I Wanna Do,"
Sheryl Crow.
618
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,270
- All I wanna do
619
00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:52,856
Bill was very consistent
with who he was
620
00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:53,857
when we made the record.
621
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:55,942
We accepted the Grammys
together
622
00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:57,193
and it was a celebration.
623
00:28:57,193 --> 00:29:01,114
I mean, it really was.
And that changed everything.
624
00:29:01,948 --> 00:29:04,826
As soon as that record won
Record of the Year,
625
00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:07,036
Best New Artist,
Song of the Year,
626
00:29:07,036 --> 00:29:10,290
our record sales doubled.
627
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,709
-Sheryl was working 24/7 --
628
00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:15,670
videos, interviews, concerts.
629
00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:17,088
It was just never-ending.
630
00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,840
-The irony of it was, though,
631
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,800
we hadn't seen any money
from it.
632
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,137
My manager was still
working out of his closet
633
00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,347
across the hall
from his apartment,
634
00:29:26,347 --> 00:29:28,725
and I was still driving
an old Volkswagen.
635
00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:31,269
Volkswagen.
636
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:33,313
-Sheryl and I
would share a hotel room.
637
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,148
I would get up
at 00 in the morning,
638
00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:36,357
go down to the lobby,
639
00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:38,860
and have my calling card
in the phone booth.
640
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:40,111
And that was that.
641
00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:43,281
And then if, like, I had
a girlfriend and she'd call
642
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,742
or Sheryl was dating somebody
and they'd call,
643
00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:47,076
we would kind of
make believe, like,
644
00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:48,870
"Oh, let me see
if she's here,"
645
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:53,082
and then count 10 seconds
and hand the phone over.
646
00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:54,417
-Those were awesome days.
647
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:56,085
I mean, you know,
you got off stage,
648
00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:57,170
you hung out with your band,
649
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:58,421
played music,
drank some beers,
650
00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,381
crawled into bed,
and woke up the next morning,
651
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:03,343
did press all day,
soundcheck, gig,
652
00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,929
drink some beers,
watch a movie, go back to bed.
653
00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:08,139
It was like
the same thing on repeat.
654
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,557
We finally got a tour bus,
655
00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:12,101
and that was, like,
the biggest day ever.
656
00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:15,063
Come back, come back.
This one down here is mine.
657
00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:18,942
So you can see you have
the necessary tools --
658
00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:22,529
leather hat, Pumas,
659
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,448
and a curling iron, of course,
and other things
660
00:30:25,448 --> 00:30:27,742
that we don't have
to really get into, do we?
661
00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:28,660
Ha, ha!
662
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,996
It was a pink bus and it had
a tilted champagne glass
663
00:30:31,996 --> 00:30:33,998
with little droplets, and
whenever people would yell,
664
00:30:33,998 --> 00:30:36,709
"Who's in the tour bus?"
we'd always yell,
665
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,628
"Dolly Parton!"
666
00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,216
I got a dog named Scout.
667
00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,552
I adopted him.
668
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:46,803
It's Scout!
669
00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:48,263
And he went on every tour,
670
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:53,059
with the exception of
overseas, for 13 years.
671
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,146
Ah, happiness.
672
00:30:57,146 --> 00:31:00,108
-I remember driving down
Sunset and seeing her name
673
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:01,901
on the marquee of the Whiskey.
674
00:31:01,901 --> 00:31:05,321
Like, "Oh, man, she did it!
675
00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:08,783
She did it!
Wow, this is crazy."
676
00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:13,246
- Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, run
677
00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:19,544
Run baby, run baby,
run baby, run
678
00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:29,262
Run baby, run baby,
run baby, run baby
679
00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:31,890
Run
680
00:31:35,018 --> 00:31:40,899
Run baby, run baby,
run baby, run baby
681
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,817
Run
682
00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:48,281
Gotta keep on running, run
683
00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:49,282
Run baby
684
00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:50,491
We were in France,
685
00:31:50,491 --> 00:31:52,577
which was where my record
was doing really well.
686
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:56,164
00 in the morning,
I get a call from Mick Jagger
687
00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:57,665
asking me if I would come
688
00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,585
and do their pay-per-view
with them in Miami.
689
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,420
And they were gonna send
a private jet,
690
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:04,172
which I'd never seen
a private jet.
691
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,299
And I got over there,
and Keith came over
692
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:09,260
and put his arm around me,
and, "Hey, little sister,"
693
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:12,305
which he has called me
ever since.
694
00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:15,350
-I had known something
about Sheryl.
695
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:16,643
I had heard her records.
696
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:20,021
What a great voice, you know,
really, you know, strong.
697
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,190
-We rehearsed it.
It went fine.
698
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:25,818
The next day I got up,
I threw up all day long.
699
00:32:25,818 --> 00:32:28,488
I was totally terrified.
700
00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:29,864
I get ready. I go over there.
701
00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:32,450
I'm telling Scooter, "I just
don't think I can do this."
702
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:33,618
-She's flown a long way
to get here.
703
00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:35,620
I'm hoping she's got over
her jet lag.
704
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,956
-And right before
I was walking out,
705
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,166
as Mick was announcing me,
706
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,335
Bobby Keys handed me
some tequila and said,
707
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:45,171
"Take a shot of courage,"
and pushed me out.
708
00:32:45,171 --> 00:32:49,092
-I wish her luck.
Beautiful Miss Sheryl Crow.
709
00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,813
I got nasty habits
710
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,065
I take tea at three
711
00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:06,693
With the meat I eat
for dinner
712
00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:10,154
I must be hung up
for a week
713
00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:14,659
-She would very well handle
Mick Jagger, you know.
714
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:18,371
To me, just standing
in the back going...
715
00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:20,123
"Wow, this girl's strong,
you know?
716
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:23,376
She's not putting up
with any of his bullshit."
717
00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:27,046
- Don'cha think
there's a place for us
718
00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:29,132
Right across the street?
719
00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:33,344
Don'cha think
there's a place for you
720
00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,638
In between the sheets?
721
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:38,266
- Yeah
-She was very strong girl.
722
00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:40,727
Later on, a very genuine girl.
723
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:44,272
In a way, very sensitive
and very sweet, you know.
724
00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:46,315
But there's a lot of tough
in there,
725
00:33:46,315 --> 00:33:49,360
and, you know,
which is a good mixture.
726
00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:55,324
-I went home, and Bill and I
decided we'd get together
727
00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:58,327
and write,
and we drank martinis
728
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:02,623
and went out for a great
dinner and did some writing,
729
00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:07,336
and then we decided
we would go to New Orleans
730
00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:09,547
to make our record.
731
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,801
The first record had sold like
five or six million copies,
732
00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:17,555
and we headed down to Kingsway
with this immense amount
733
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:19,515
of pressure
for the sophomore record
734
00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:22,143
to live up to the first
record.
735
00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:23,394
You know, that word
"potential,"
736
00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:24,604
how it can be so negative.
737
00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:26,355
Like, "You have such
potential."
738
00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:28,399
It's almost like, "Man,
you could really blow it."
739
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,651
What potential, you know?
740
00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:33,696
Our first day at Kingsway
was kind of quirky.
741
00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,450
We get there, and this woman
rolls out from under the board
742
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:40,369
on, like, an automobile caddy
on her back
743
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,455
with goggles
and a soldering iron.
744
00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:44,415
So we thought,
well, that doesn't bode well
745
00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:46,542
for the beautiful new console.
746
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:47,668
We're kind of just getting,
747
00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:49,462
you know,
acclimated to the place.
748
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:53,257
And as this woman was leaving,
she kind of scolded Bill
749
00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,343
about putting his drink
on the console.
750
00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:57,220
And so immediately
it was like,
751
00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,223
"Mm. This is a weird way
to start."
752
00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:03,392
-I do have a very vague memory
753
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:06,437
of asking whoever it was
754
00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:08,272
that was on the other side
of the console
755
00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:10,900
to remove their beverage
from the console
756
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,653
because it's inappropriate,
and everybody knows that.
757
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,613
-I think we spent the day
in there
758
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:16,739
kind of messing around,
759
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:20,201
and more things didn't work
than did.
760
00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:22,203
-Daniel Lanois
built the studio.
761
00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:24,122
I swear he threw
half of it together
762
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,623
before we got there, you know?
763
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,834
-They think the studio sucks.
Nothing's working.
764
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,585
The gear won't work
if you're mad at it.
765
00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:33,047
-We're trying to work,
and it's Sheryl's got this,
766
00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:34,632
"Yeah, but" attitude.
767
00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:37,885
-We broke and went to dinner
and once again had some wine.
768
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,930
And the next morning
I woke up with a headache
769
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:41,764
and no producer.
770
00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:44,767
-I'm like,
"I don't belong here."
771
00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,894
And I got on a plane
and came home.
772
00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:52,358
-I was there and had booked
the studio and was panicked.
773
00:35:52,358 --> 00:35:53,568
I called Scooter.
774
00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,528
-Sheryl said, "Bill has left.
He's done.
775
00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,655
He's not -- he's not gonna
work on the record."
776
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,324
It was a frightening moment
for her.
777
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:01,659
And he said,
"Why don't you call Jeff
778
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:04,328
and see if he's interested
in coming down."
779
00:36:04,328 --> 00:36:05,580
The guitar player Jeff Trott,
780
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,331
I didn't really
know very well.
781
00:36:07,331 --> 00:36:11,085
He played a little like
an '80s take
782
00:36:11,085 --> 00:36:13,546
on Keith Richards,
if you will.
783
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:19,010
-I get this call, like, really
super early in the morning,
784
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,595
and it's Sheryl.
785
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,180
She's like, "Well, hey,
786
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,391
what are you --
what are you up to?"
787
00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,603
And I said, "Well, you know,
exciting news.
788
00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:32,648
I'm going on the road
with The Wallflowers."
789
00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:35,193
And there was
complete silence.
790
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,944
And then she comes back
with...
791
00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:39,447
-I don't think there's
probably a chance in the world
792
00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:40,615
you will consider this,
793
00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:43,618
but would you come
to New Orleans
794
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:44,911
and help me make
my second record?
795
00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:47,330
-So she sort of put it to me,
you know,
796
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:48,873
"Well, would you prefer
797
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,500
playing cover songs
with your friends
798
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:56,214
or maybe recording songs
that you have written with me
799
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,257
for my record?"
800
00:36:58,257 --> 00:37:00,885
So check this out.
801
00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,345
-Oh, my gosh.
802
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:04,555
Look at your cute little
shag haircut.
803
00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,640
-The shag.
804
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,099
-Why did you have
a trombone there?
805
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:09,518
-I have no idea,
806
00:37:09,518 --> 00:37:12,063
-"Brian the cloud."
-The cloud.
807
00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,608
We called Brian MacLeod,
our favorite drummer.
808
00:37:15,608 --> 00:37:19,695
First thing we did was
we named Kingsway
809
00:37:19,695 --> 00:37:21,197
"Dan's Lamps and Things"
810
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:22,740
because there was, like,
all kinds of
811
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,325
beautiful antiques everywhere,
812
00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:27,328
gorgeous lamps
and big wooden baronial beds.
813
00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:30,623
And, you know, it was just
the most romantic place.
814
00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:33,542
Our engineer was
Trina Shoemaker.
815
00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:37,004
She wasn't just
good for a girl.
816
00:37:37,004 --> 00:37:39,298
She was just good.
817
00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:44,971
-For me, I have a unusual love
of the equipment,
818
00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,222
almost indecent.
819
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:50,142
It's the constant in my life.
I go to the gear for comfort.
820
00:37:50,142 --> 00:37:54,605
It replaced, in many cases,
personal relationships.
821
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:56,482
-She's a brilliant engineer.
822
00:37:56,482 --> 00:38:00,653
She also emotionally bonded
with Sheryl.
823
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:04,865
She was a strong female artist
in her own right,
824
00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:08,286
and they kind of
powered through together.
825
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:10,413
-That's what Trina
looked like to me.
826
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,540
-Yeah.
-And she'd be looking up.
827
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:16,752
-What was it for us two young
women trying to duke it out?
828
00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:19,588
And I think, well,
of course she kept me near
829
00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:21,716
because I was like her.
I was alone.
830
00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:25,469
No husband, no kids,
no family nearby.
831
00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:26,971
Bold, willing to fight,
832
00:38:26,971 --> 00:38:29,598
literally willing
to, like, punch people.
833
00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:30,975
I wanted to protect her,
834
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:34,145
and I think that helped a
little bit from time to time.
835
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:36,480
And she liked me for that.
836
00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:45,781
-Kingsway just felt like
a safe place.
837
00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:47,033
I could close the door,
838
00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:49,243
and there really wasn't
anything left over
839
00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:50,745
from the first album,
840
00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:52,580
the pressure of people
thinking, "Okay, well,
841
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,957
let's see what she does,
because from what we hear,
842
00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,293
a whole set of guys
wrote the record
843
00:38:57,293 --> 00:38:58,627
and she was barely there."
844
00:38:58,627 --> 00:39:01,464
I'd stop reading any reviews,
anything like that.
845
00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:04,091
I had just quietened
everything.
846
00:39:04,091 --> 00:39:05,009
Change
847
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,345
- A change
would do you good
848
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,554
- Would do you good
849
00:39:08,554 --> 00:39:11,474
- A change
would do you good
850
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:12,725
- I think a change
851
00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:14,810
- A change
would do you good
852
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:16,020
- Would do you good
853
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,648
- A change
would do you good
854
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:23,486
-That record was magnificent,
everything about it.
855
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,488
It then raised her to say,
856
00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:29,533
"You are a producer,
you are a record maker.
857
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:31,369
You are a decision maker.
You're a writer.
858
00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:32,578
You're a player."
859
00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:33,871
I was just so happy for her
860
00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:35,956
'cause all I just kept
thinking is, "You did it."
861
00:39:35,956 --> 00:39:37,750
-Sheryl set out,
wrote the songs,
862
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:41,462
produced the record,
created the next step
863
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:45,299
of her musical vision
completely on her own.
864
00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:46,509
- A change
865
00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,761
- A change
would do you good
866
00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:50,054
Would do you good
867
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:52,348
- A change
would do you good
868
00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:53,641
-Sheryl! Sheryl!
- A change
869
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:55,184
-Give us some play!
-Sheryl, turn your head.
870
00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:57,728
- Would do you good
- Do you good
871
00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:01,148
- A change
would do you good
872
00:40:02,691 --> 00:40:04,610
-You can point to
a lot of women
873
00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,612
who've had commercial success
874
00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:10,658
in the pop world
as a singer, as an artist.
875
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,535
But, you know, there's not
a lot of producers,
876
00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:13,702
not a lot of engineers.
877
00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:14,912
I mean, if she was a man,
878
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:16,831
people would talk
about her like Prince.
879
00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:17,957
I mean, Prince loved her.
880
00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:21,502
- Every day
is a winding road
881
00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:24,672
- Road, mm
882
00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:26,799
- I get a little bit closer
883
00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:28,342
- Ah, ah
884
00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:32,388
- Every day is a faded sign
885
00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,556
- Yeah
886
00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:35,391
Sheryl Crow, y'all.
887
00:40:35,391 --> 00:40:37,101
- I get a little...
888
00:40:37,768 --> 00:40:39,854
-Take five.
889
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:44,900
-Hi, everybody in Kennett
and everywhere around Kennett,
890
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,610
whoever's seeing this.
891
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:47,945
Scout and I just want
to wish you guys
892
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:50,739
a Happy Christmas,
Happy New Year.
893
00:40:50,739 --> 00:40:53,367
And we'll see you
around the holidays.
894
00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:54,452
-There are so many things
895
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,162
that have happened to us
in our lives
896
00:40:56,162 --> 00:41:00,416
since Sheryl has become
so well-known
897
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,376
that it's kind of hard
to separate
898
00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:03,669
the real and the unreal,
899
00:41:03,669 --> 00:41:05,796
and it's just flabbergasting.
900
00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:07,006
I mean, you're -- whew!
901
00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:08,507
-Hey, thanks for bringing
your mom and dad.
902
00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:09,758
I love meeting
people's parents.
903
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:10,968
-My mom and dad are here!
-There's mom and dad.
904
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:12,303
There they are, right there.
905
00:41:19,101 --> 00:41:21,645
-I taught piano lessons,
and I had students
906
00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,147
come into the house
all the time.
907
00:41:23,147 --> 00:41:26,734
-We had three pianos
and an organ in that house,
908
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:29,528
and they would practice
and she'd be cooking,
909
00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:31,405
and she would scream out
to one of them,
910
00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:33,449
"That's not a B!
That's a B-flat!"
911
00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:35,159
or something of that nature.
912
00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:41,081
-I was always getting bested,
you know?
913
00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,668
"That's James Taylor.
That is not your lesson."
914
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:51,675
They were into swing band.
915
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:52,885
In fact,
they had a swing band.
916
00:41:52,885 --> 00:41:54,261
They would come home
on the weekends
917
00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:55,221
and bring their friends.
918
00:41:55,221 --> 00:41:59,517
-We had a book,
I believe, of 400 songs.
919
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,644
-This is Sheryl.
920
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:04,772
And this is Sheryl.
921
00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:05,898
Sheryl.
922
00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:07,775
Now, you can tell who's
getting the lion's share
923
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:09,527
of the pictures right now.
924
00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:10,778
Here we go.
925
00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:13,447
Karen, Sheryl, and Kathy.
926
00:42:13,447 --> 00:42:17,243
And our youngest child
is Steve.
927
00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:20,746
-I remember all three of us
girls sleeping on the stairs
928
00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,873
so we could hear them
playing music
929
00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:24,792
and dancing
and smoking and drinking,
930
00:42:24,792 --> 00:42:27,336
and we just wanted to be,
you know, a part of it.
931
00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:29,004
-That must have had
a big influence on you,
932
00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:30,756
all those things that, like --
-Yeah, definitely.
933
00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:33,092
In fact, they started me on
piano about the age of five,
934
00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:35,010
and they were the kind of
parents that said,
935
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,888
"Oh, play that little thing
for all of our friends."
936
00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:39,890
So that's how I wound up
where it am.
937
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,809
-It worked.
It worked, you see.
938
00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:46,855
- Back on gold dust...
939
00:42:46,855 --> 00:42:49,024
-And so I dug more into music.
940
00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:50,109
- Take yourself...
941
00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:52,069
-I started getting
into records
942
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:57,032
that started to give me
a vision of me as a person,
943
00:42:57,032 --> 00:42:59,368
and that was
the James Taylor stuff
944
00:42:59,368 --> 00:43:00,828
and the Carole King,
945
00:43:00,828 --> 00:43:03,831
Stevie Wonder
and Fleetwood Mac.
946
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:05,249
I wanted to be in the room
with those people,
947
00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:07,209
and that was what
was interesting to me
948
00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:09,878
was why things would sound
the way they would sound.
949
00:43:09,878 --> 00:43:11,880
And it was then
that I started to feel like,
950
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,090
okay, these are my people
951
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:16,969
and I'm supposed to be
on that train.
952
00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:21,974
"Love is a Good Thing"
was a song that I wrote
953
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,144
that was, you know,
taken from the headlines.
954
00:43:32,192 --> 00:43:35,613
-Now, Walmart says it won't
sell her newest album,
955
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:38,198
and fans like Lane Benson
don't like it.
956
00:43:38,198 --> 00:43:39,992
-I really don't like it.
I don't --
957
00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:41,910
I don't like Walmart
telling me what to do.
958
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:44,163
-It is the nation's
largest retailer.
959
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:46,206
One record industry executive
estimates
960
00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:50,252
Crow stands to lose
at least 400,000 album sales.
961
00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:52,921
-Well, they'll probably have
to go out of town for it.
962
00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:55,257
Mm-hmm.
-What do you think about that?
963
00:43:55,257 --> 00:43:56,967
-Well, I hate for
our people here
964
00:43:56,967 --> 00:43:58,093
to be inconvenienced that way,
965
00:43:58,093 --> 00:43:59,928
but I feel sure
they'll get it.
966
00:43:59,928 --> 00:44:02,848
-For somebody like me
who grew up in a small town,
967
00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:04,391
that's the only place
you can buy a record.
968
00:44:04,391 --> 00:44:07,353
And so to be given the choice,
"We will not carry it,
969
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:10,731
or you can change it to Kmart
and we'll carry it" --
970
00:44:10,731 --> 00:44:14,902
that, I think, actually fueled
my conviction even more.
971
00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:16,654
I was like,
"Well, wait a minute.
972
00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:17,821
You can't have it both ways."
973
00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:19,448
-We are not
telling Sheryl Crow
974
00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:20,616
she cannot sell the song
975
00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:22,284
and make it available
to others.
976
00:44:22,284 --> 00:44:24,662
We're just saying
that Walmart itself
977
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,038
will not sell the product."
978
00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:27,790
-May have to come all the way
to Memphis to get that CD.
979
00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:29,750
-All they wanted to do
was just have some fun.
980
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,669
-It was the first time
I ever experienced
981
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,712
anything like that
and realized,
982
00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:35,881
Oh, there is importance
to music.
983
00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:38,676
There's importance
to speaking the truth.
984
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,136
And some people are not
gonna like that.
985
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:44,556
And that's something
you just have to get used to.
986
00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:47,976
-At any chance that we feel
987
00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:51,146
we can use our music
to give back,
988
00:44:51,146 --> 00:44:53,232
we are not only
happy to do it,
989
00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:55,734
we actually almost hunger
to do it
990
00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:58,153
so that you can feel
that your music
991
00:44:58,153 --> 00:45:00,906
is not just
for your own pleasure
992
00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:04,868
and hopefully that your words,
your songs,
993
00:45:04,868 --> 00:45:07,204
will also touch a chord
into people
994
00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:11,041
to increase their empathy
and their humanity.
995
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,293
The Lilith Fair tour
was really eye-opening
996
00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:16,171
for so many of us women
out there making music
997
00:45:16,171 --> 00:45:19,133
'cause I think we'd been
out there in our tour busses
998
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:21,719
with our bands traveling
around, you know,
999
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,929
like, in space,
in outer space,
1000
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,472
in our own
little rocket ships.
1001
00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:28,058
And all of a sudden we all
landed in this one place
1002
00:45:28,058 --> 00:45:29,309
and we came off our busses
1003
00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:32,146
and we were actually
finally able to meet,
1004
00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:37,151
and you realized that there
was a sisterhood out there.
1005
00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:42,156
-By 1996, there were quite
a few more females
1006
00:45:42,156 --> 00:45:43,741
that were getting
played at radio.
1007
00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:45,909
One of them was
Alanis Morissette,
1008
00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,454
Aimee Mann, and another was
Sarah McLachlan.
1009
00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:54,877
- I'd no longer be
in your mind
1010
00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:59,798
The difficult kind
but you won't see
1011
00:45:59,798 --> 00:46:02,176
-I remember vividly
Sarah McLachlan
1012
00:46:02,176 --> 00:46:03,469
calling me and saying,
1013
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:06,054
"Have you ever tried to have
someone open up for you
1014
00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:07,431
that's a woman?
The promoters are saying
1015
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:09,391
you can't have more
than one woman on a bill,
1016
00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:12,269
and I'm going
to disprove them."
1017
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:14,938
-Now, some business types
said, "Oh, that'll never work.
1018
00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:18,192
Nobody will buy tickets
to all women all summer long."
1019
00:46:18,192 --> 00:46:20,277
Well, 20,000 people
showed up today,
1020
00:46:20,277 --> 00:46:24,490
and the Lilith Fair
will visit 35 cities.
1021
00:46:25,532 --> 00:46:28,452
-It was just women
who commercially do well.
1022
00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:31,455
We run our businesses.
We make money.
1023
00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:34,958
So why are you men deciding
what can and can't be?
1024
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:39,046
But what you don't think about
is the kid that's out there
1025
00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:42,549
in the audience
looking at that and going,
1026
00:46:42,549 --> 00:46:43,675
"I can do that.
1027
00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:45,511
I can get up and play guitar
1028
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:49,348
and have a band behind me
and be the boss."
1029
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:51,975
-Tell you what.
1030
00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:55,229
I was out there all the way
up there on that hill
1031
00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:57,898
in Lilith Fair when I saw
Sheryl Crow play here
1032
00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,025
two nights in a row.
1033
00:47:00,025 --> 00:47:01,527
It honestly changed my life,
1034
00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:05,364
and I would not be the artist
that I am without Sheryl Crow
1035
00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:07,324
and the influence
that she's had on me.
1036
00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:09,159
And then to get to a place
where she's kind enough
1037
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,911
to be my friend
and give me advice
1038
00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:12,913
and teach me things
and sing with me --
1039
00:47:12,913 --> 00:47:14,915
I can't even get
my head around it.
1040
00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:20,879
-I just was astounded
that she was so rock and roll.
1041
00:47:20,879 --> 00:47:22,130
And you never questioned
1042
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:24,216
whether or not
Sheryl was the boss,
1043
00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:26,176
and I was so drawn to that --
1044
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:30,138
you know, as a young woman,
so influenced by it.
1045
00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,599
Seeing her play the bass,
you know, I'll never forget,
1046
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:34,393
like, picking up
that bass guitar and, like,
1047
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:36,061
telling the guy
I was in a band with,
1048
00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:40,899
"Yeah, I played bass" --
1049
00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:43,819
Because I had to learn
the "Leaving Las Vegas"
1050
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,112
bass line,
1051
00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:46,446
and just thinking, like,
1052
00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:48,323
"Yeah, this is it,
this is what I want to do,
1053
00:47:48,323 --> 00:47:49,533
I want to front a band
like this
1054
00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:51,368
and I want to have
an electric guitar
1055
00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:53,912
and I want to play bass
and I want to be a rock star
1056
00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,415
like Sheryl Crow."
1057
00:47:56,415 --> 00:47:58,208
-I think we should
give it up to Sarah
1058
00:47:58,208 --> 00:48:00,544
for putting this
whole thing together.
1059
00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:04,423
Anywhere where people are
comfortable with who they are,
1060
00:48:04,423 --> 00:48:06,842
even on the Lilith Fair,
you could look out
1061
00:48:06,842 --> 00:48:08,468
and you would see
families out there,
1062
00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:11,513
and you would see girls
and their moms,
1063
00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:14,892
and you would see
a lot of lesbians.
1064
00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:20,772
-I like that about Sheryl
so much,
1065
00:48:20,772 --> 00:48:22,524
that she holds her space.
1066
00:48:22,524 --> 00:48:24,651
She's straight as an arrow,
but God,
1067
00:48:24,651 --> 00:48:25,527
the lesbians love Sheryl.
1068
00:48:25,527 --> 00:48:27,154
She's important
to queer people,
1069
00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:28,572
and when you're important
to queer people,
1070
00:48:28,572 --> 00:48:32,075
it means you're on the cutting
edge of the real shit
1071
00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,370
of what's really going on.
1072
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:38,206
-After that tour, which had
been really successful
1073
00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:40,167
and really fun,
I came home to L.A.
1074
00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:42,586
and I was engaged
with a casting director,
1075
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:47,090
somebody I met on
the "Leaving Las Vegas" video.
1076
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:50,385
-This is the young man
that Sheryl was engaged to.
1077
00:48:50,385 --> 00:48:52,346
-That was back in, uh...
1078
00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:53,972
-That was in 1995.
1079
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:58,185
Can you maybe turn that off?
1080
00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:00,270
-I was just starting
my career,
1081
00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:01,563
and it was starting
to take off,
1082
00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:05,400
and it's really difficult
for someone to sort of be
1083
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,321
swept up in that and still
keep their sense of self.
1084
00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,323
We were just better
as friends; in fact,
1085
00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:13,700
by the time we got engaged,
I feel like we probably
1086
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,035
were pulling apart.
1087
00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:16,662
I'd been gone for so long.
1088
00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:19,456
I did have a couple of songs
on the "Sheryl Crow" record
1089
00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:22,292
that were inspired
by our relationship
1090
00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:23,794
becoming more platonic.
1091
00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:28,840
I woke this morning,
now I understand
1092
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,638
What it means to give
your life to just one man
1093
00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:39,559
Afraid of feeling nothing,
no bees or butterflies
1094
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:45,482
My head is full of questions
and my house is full of lies
1095
00:49:45,482 --> 00:49:51,989
And this is home
1096
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:56,702
Home
1097
00:49:56,702 --> 00:49:59,496
This is home
1098
00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:02,916
I think part of my pull
is always that
1099
00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,668
I really like the...
the hang,
1100
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:07,129
I like the camaraderie
with the guys,
1101
00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:08,255
and part of me is like,
1102
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:10,132
I don't want
to miss out on that.
1103
00:50:10,132 --> 00:50:12,259
So I decided I would just...
1104
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:15,387
pick up and move to New York
and change my scenery.
1105
00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:19,224
And you can probably
see a pattern here.
1106
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:38,952
Somebody said
you gotta get away
1107
00:50:42,622 --> 00:50:47,169
Don't wanna
go back home again
1108
00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:50,714
I set up a studio
in the Meatpacking District.
1109
00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:54,593
I mean, it was just
a very colorful neighborhood.
1110
00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:57,345
-It was warehouses
and butchers
1111
00:50:57,345 --> 00:50:59,264
and carcasses hanging.
1112
00:50:59,264 --> 00:51:01,391
You could smell the blood
on the streets.
1113
00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,227
-Jeff and I started
working with Trina
1114
00:51:04,227 --> 00:51:05,479
in a studio that we set up
1115
00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:08,273
in this building
called The Globe.
1116
00:51:08,273 --> 00:51:10,400
-She had bought
all this equipment.
1117
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,569
It hadn't seasoned
into the room yet.
1118
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:15,280
It takes a little while
for gear to get comfortable
1119
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,698
and bugs to get worked out,
1120
00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:20,702
yet we were going forward
and cutting a record there.
1121
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:36,551
Antigone laid across
the road
1122
00:51:36,551 --> 00:51:39,387
-Now the celebrity
is locked in,
1123
00:51:39,387 --> 00:51:41,807
I mean, the celebrity machine,
not the human being,
1124
00:51:41,807 --> 00:51:44,684
so now she's really
got to deliver.
1125
00:51:44,684 --> 00:51:52,567
It's laughter that comes up
when I cry for you
1126
00:51:52,567 --> 00:52:00,408
And this heart may love
again before it learns
1127
00:52:00,408 --> 00:52:03,120
"Globe Sessions,"
of all the records,
1128
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,579
was the most kind of pure,
1129
00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:06,873
I don't want to say, like,
barfing out,
1130
00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:10,001
but I mean, everything was
so close to the surface,
1131
00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:11,628
so immediate.
1132
00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:15,465
I've gotten used to
crash and burn
1133
00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:25,142
Yes, I've gotten used to
the crash and burn
1134
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,643
A lot of that came out,
1135
00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:28,145
particularly
in "Difficult Kind"
1136
00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,563
and definitely in
"Crash and Burn" --
1137
00:52:29,563 --> 00:52:31,356
I mean, both of those songs,
which I feel like
1138
00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:32,691
are kind of sister songs,
1139
00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:35,152
talk about somebody
who's not that easy
1140
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,528
to have a relationship with,
1141
00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:40,657
who is highly sensitive
and highly emotional
1142
00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:42,534
and super tough and strong;
1143
00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,828
and the other aspect
of being with someone
1144
00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:50,792
who has the job that I have is
I'm just not around very much.
1145
00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:58,216
-There is a price to be paid
for being gone all the time.
1146
00:52:58,216 --> 00:53:00,510
Obviously, I felt like
it was worth it
1147
00:53:00,510 --> 00:53:03,513
because I'm still out here,
but, you know,
1148
00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:05,974
it is difficult
to stay away from home
1149
00:53:05,974 --> 00:53:07,350
so many times and so long.
1150
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:09,186
-All I can say is I'm single
1151
00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:11,271
and I've been single
a long time,
1152
00:53:11,271 --> 00:53:14,608
and that has got to be,
you know,
1153
00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:17,777
the tour bus --
my relationship with the road,
1154
00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:19,237
you know,
it -- it is difficult,
1155
00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:20,739
it's a lot to ask for,
1156
00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:25,327
you know, to ask somebody
to stay home and wait.
1157
00:53:25,327 --> 00:53:26,870
-We were both at this,
1158
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:29,581
like, massive transition
in our lives,
1159
00:53:29,581 --> 00:53:30,916
figuring out who we were,
1160
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,543
what we wanted in life,
and Sheryl's like,
1161
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:35,837
"Oh, well,
you should just move in!"
1162
00:53:35,837 --> 00:53:38,381
Like, "Why -- why are
we spending so little time
1163
00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:42,010
together by going to dinner
four nights a week?"
1164
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:45,347
So I lived with Sheryl.
1165
00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:46,806
She might be the friend
1166
00:53:46,806 --> 00:53:51,269
that I've spent the most time
watching her work.
1167
00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,271
We went on the ride together.
1168
00:53:53,271 --> 00:53:56,233
- Ooh
1169
00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:57,901
-And the best rock album is...
1170
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,238
"The Globe Sessions,"
Sheryl Crow.
1171
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:03,990
- Ooh
1172
00:54:06,576 --> 00:54:10,413
Ooh
1173
00:54:10,413 --> 00:54:14,751
Did you know when you go
it's the perfect ending
1174
00:54:14,751 --> 00:54:19,673
To the bad day I've gotten
used to spending
1175
00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:21,800
When you go all I know is
1176
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,263
You're my favorite mistake
1177
00:54:26,263 --> 00:54:30,267
You're my favorite
mistake
1178
00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:34,938
-A person is not a celebrity,
a person is a person,
1179
00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:40,402
celebrity' a machine that gets
hungry and it has to feed.
1180
00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:41,611
-Sorry, let me get
.
1181
00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:44,489
-Yes! Oh, wow.
1182
00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:47,325
-Yeah, you're going to get hit
up quite a bit on the way out.
1183
00:54:47,325 --> 00:54:49,119
-Here you go.
-Thanks so much.
1184
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,203
-Who's this for?
1185
00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:51,871
-It's, uh, for Julie.
1186
00:54:51,871 --> 00:54:55,375
-I was born into
this industry,
1187
00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:59,087
and you would think
I'd seen so much of it.
1188
00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:02,757
But being an iconic rock star?
1189
00:55:02,757 --> 00:55:04,551
It's a whole other thing.
1190
00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,516
-Fame is not natural,
1191
00:55:11,516 --> 00:55:14,769
and it is also a very
energetic experience
1192
00:55:14,769 --> 00:55:20,150
where people are projecting
their energy at you.
1193
00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:23,778
-There's hero worship,
1194
00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,614
and there's, you know...
1195
00:55:26,614 --> 00:55:27,824
idolizing.
1196
00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:31,453
But, you know,
also projecting trauma
1197
00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:33,747
and all kinds of stuff.
1198
00:55:33,747 --> 00:55:36,082
-Her music is so powerful.
1199
00:55:36,082 --> 00:55:37,792
It just touches you.
1200
00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:40,253
It helped me get through a lot
of things in my life:
1201
00:55:40,253 --> 00:55:42,339
coming out,
getting off drugs.
1202
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:45,592
You know, it's --
it's just incredible.
1203
00:55:45,592 --> 00:55:48,219
-Imagine every time
you step out of your house,
1204
00:55:48,219 --> 00:55:50,138
people stop to look
at you --
1205
00:55:50,138 --> 00:55:51,514
every time.
1206
00:55:51,514 --> 00:55:54,684
And people smile at you
and they want to be with you,
1207
00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,686
and they tell you
how great you are --
1208
00:55:56,686 --> 00:55:57,854
every time!
1209
00:55:57,854 --> 00:56:00,106
It does something to you,
messes with you!
1210
00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:02,692
-And then you're going
to have this thing where,
1211
00:56:02,692 --> 00:56:03,860
okay, you're in magazines,
1212
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,487
and you're invited
to perform on that,
1213
00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:06,863
and you're nominated for that,
1214
00:56:06,863 --> 00:56:08,990
and then you're not
nominated anymore,
1215
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:10,742
and then you're not
in magazines,
1216
00:56:10,742 --> 00:56:12,369
and you're not at that party.
1217
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:13,787
And who am I?
1218
00:56:13,787 --> 00:56:17,665
And, well, what do I need
to do to get back to that?
1219
00:56:19,209 --> 00:56:24,089
-A lot of non-musical things
come along with success
1220
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:27,759
that you didn't know
was part of the package.
1221
00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:32,514
And it knocks you off what you
were doing in the first place.
1222
00:56:32,514 --> 00:56:36,559
And it can take years
to navigate through that.
1223
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,521
And some people
never get it figured out.
1224
00:56:39,521 --> 00:56:41,523
They crash and burn.
1225
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,407
-It's not natural,
1226
00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:52,450
and it doesn't have
anything to do
1227
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:54,077
with being good or being bad,
1228
00:56:54,077 --> 00:56:57,664
and it doesn't anything to do
with the quality of your work.
1229
00:56:57,664 --> 00:57:02,168
I-it's just a giant mind-fuck.
1230
00:57:02,168 --> 00:57:04,921
Steve McQueen
1231
00:57:04,921 --> 00:57:08,049
Underneath
your radar screen
1232
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:12,762
You'll never catch me
today
1233
00:57:12,762 --> 00:57:14,264
No
1234
00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,058
But I think people come to
see you for a lot of reasons.
1235
00:57:17,058 --> 00:57:19,144
They want to feel
some kind of emotion.
1236
00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:21,229
They want to forget
about what's going on
1237
00:57:21,229 --> 00:57:22,605
in their immediate life
1238
00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:23,898
for just a couple of hours,
1239
00:57:23,898 --> 00:57:26,818
and there's a gift and a
responsibility in that for me.
1240
00:57:26,818 --> 00:57:29,612
-With Sheryl, there's always
two sides to it.
1241
00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:34,576
The struggle to make something
great and the pressure
1242
00:57:34,576 --> 00:57:35,910
and her own perfectionism
1243
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:39,956
or strive for that thing
she wants is always in there.
1244
00:57:39,956 --> 00:57:41,458
-This is what I want to do.
1245
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:42,834
Okay, this is what
I want to do.
1246
00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:45,295
I want to cancel
a week of shows.
1247
00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:46,754
Okay, you got to hear me out.
1248
00:57:46,754 --> 00:57:48,047
We're in a situation here
1249
00:57:48,047 --> 00:57:50,049
where I don't want to do
any more bad shows.
1250
00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:52,051
We need to get another
lighting system in here.
1251
00:57:52,051 --> 00:57:55,054
On stage the screen
is overpowering us.
1252
00:57:55,054 --> 00:57:57,098
I'm out front.
It looks ridiculous.
1253
00:57:57,098 --> 00:58:00,226
I don't want to do
any more half-assed touring.
1254
00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:01,186
I worked my ass off,
1255
00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:03,104
and the band is great
and I have a great crew.
1256
00:58:03,104 --> 00:58:05,940
The only thing holding us back
is the production.
1257
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:07,817
And I want it to stop.
1258
00:58:07,817 --> 00:58:11,696
Crazy hollow frequency
.
1259
00:58:11,696 --> 00:58:14,532
I'm getting --
1260
00:58:14,532 --> 00:58:15,909
-Music for Sheryl,
1261
00:58:15,909 --> 00:58:18,953
I'm not always sure
that she enjoyed it.
1262
00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:22,040
I think that she had, like,
a possession with it
1263
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,125
that dominated
her entire life,
1264
00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:26,794
put the celebrity
on her shoulders,
1265
00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:29,422
and nearly crushed her.
1266
00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:45,730
-I-I -- I'm not -- I'm not
discounting the stuff
1267
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:48,191
that made it all happen
and all that.
1268
00:58:48,191 --> 00:58:50,026
But you're killing
yourself here.
1269
00:58:50,026 --> 00:58:53,446
I -- you're right about why
it fucked you up and all that.
1270
00:58:58,701 --> 00:58:59,911
-But you work --
1271
00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:02,705
-I know that.
1272
00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:05,333
But -- but draw the line,
is what I'm saying.
1273
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:07,919
It was fucked up; the lights,
it fucked your head up
1274
00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,463
and all that,
but you were pretty brilliant.
1275
00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,064
Around the turn of the
century, Interscope Records,
1276
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,817
which was run by Jimmy Iovine
and Tom Whalley,
1277
00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:32,527
took over A&M Records.
1278
00:59:32,527 --> 00:59:34,279
They absorbed them.
1279
00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:35,738
-At Interscope,
1280
00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,576
I was working with Dr. Dre,
Snoop Dogg; we had Tupac,
1281
00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:43,663
we had No Doubt;
also 4 Non Blondes,
1282
00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,540
Primus and Helmet.
1283
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:46,791
-I suddenly went from
1284
00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:48,793
having a relationship
with a record label
1285
00:59:48,793 --> 00:59:51,504
to being one of
a bunch of artists,
1286
00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:52,672
and I have a new record.
1287
00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:54,215
-The trick is not just
having a hit record,
1288
00:59:54,215 --> 00:59:58,803
the trick is not having
a really credible record;
1289
00:59:58,803 --> 01:00:00,054
the trick is both.
1290
01:00:00,054 --> 01:00:02,765
-As I look back and I think
about making records
1291
01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:04,058
where you go in empty-handed
1292
01:00:04,058 --> 01:00:07,186
and you write
and record as you go,
1293
01:00:07,186 --> 01:00:09,689
it was really,
really successful
1294
01:00:09,689 --> 01:00:12,233
for the first, like,
three records,
1295
01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:15,320
and then the wear and tear
of coming off the road,
1296
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,449
being tired, not really having
had many life experiences,
1297
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:21,409
and then going into the studio
and just sitting there
1298
01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:23,911
and going, "Okay, what am I
going to write about?"
1299
01:00:23,911 --> 01:00:25,997
The boat ran aground.
1300
01:00:25,997 --> 01:00:29,125
And then it was just a source
of glaring frustration.
1301
01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:34,255
-One summer, we wrote 40
or 50 song ideas,
1302
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:36,132
and she was just
having a really --
1303
01:00:36,132 --> 01:00:37,884
a rough patch of, you know,
1304
01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:40,887
"Hey, I don't have anything
important to say,
1305
01:00:40,887 --> 01:00:42,430
I don't know what to say."
1306
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:43,598
-Tonight you go where?
1307
01:00:43,598 --> 01:00:45,183
You open up
for a young new guy?
1308
01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:48,102
-I open up for a beginning
up-and-comer, Bob Dylan.
1309
01:00:48,102 --> 01:00:50,938
-Bob Dylan.
-Bob Dylan offered
1310
01:00:50,938 --> 01:00:53,191
his friendship, just said,
"You know, I think you're
1311
01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:54,817
going to be around
for a long time,
1312
01:00:54,817 --> 01:00:57,528
if you ever need anything,
give me a shout."
1313
01:00:57,528 --> 01:00:58,780
So I call him and I say,
1314
01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:03,993
"I'm really having trouble
finishing anything.
1315
01:01:03,993 --> 01:01:06,037
I-I can't seem
to finish a song, I mean,
1316
01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:08,122
I feel like I've been doing
this for like eight months
1317
01:01:08,122 --> 01:01:09,290
and not finishing anything,"
1318
01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:11,000
and he's like,
"Ooh, that's bad."
1319
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,127
And I'm thinking, Oh, gosh.
And then I said,
1320
01:01:13,127 --> 01:01:15,296
"Well, I heard that you had
had writer's block.
1321
01:01:15,296 --> 01:01:17,882
So I wanted to call you
and pick your brains."
1322
01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:21,511
"No, I never have,"
and I'm thinking, Oh, no!
1323
01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:23,012
-You have a certain instinct
1324
01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:24,889
and a certain amount
of training
1325
01:01:24,889 --> 01:01:27,183
and a certain type
of impact of the song
1326
01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:29,811
you're looking for;
you have to hope the person
1327
01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:31,396
you're standing next to
writes it.
1328
01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:33,606
-He came in and out,
which I really wasn't used to.
1329
01:01:33,606 --> 01:01:34,899
I wasn't used to
having anybody
1330
01:01:34,899 --> 01:01:36,025
coming in and out
of the studio
1331
01:01:36,025 --> 01:01:38,111
while I was producing
and working.
1332
01:01:38,111 --> 01:01:41,072
-I lived in a recording studio
my whole life,
1333
01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:42,949
so I can go down
to the studio,
1334
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,283
and that was an advantage
that I had
1335
01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:47,370
because I understand
the language really well.
1336
01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:49,580
-He had suggestions,
some of which I used
1337
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:51,332
and some of which I didn't.
1338
01:01:54,419 --> 01:01:57,338
-Sheryl I was in New York
and she said,
1339
01:01:57,338 --> 01:01:59,924
"Well, like, you know,
can you just jump on a plane
1340
01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:02,260
and come out here and let's
just -- let's just do this."
1341
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:08,141
And I was playing around with
this idea of being...
1342
01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,184
uh, soaking wet
1343
01:02:10,184 --> 01:02:13,187
and wanting --
wanting sun, you know,
1344
01:02:13,187 --> 01:02:15,648
"hey, I'm going
to go to New York
1345
01:02:15,648 --> 01:02:16,899
and soak up some sun."
1346
01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:18,943
I thought, "'Soak up the sun'
sounds like a good."
1347
01:02:18,943 --> 01:02:23,614
- Wanna tell them that I
1348
01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:27,160
Got no one to blame
1349
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,746
Every time I feel lame
1350
01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:34,041
I'm looking up
1351
01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:38,296
-So I had five hours
from Portland to New York.
1352
01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:41,174
I carried the chorus
in my head
1353
01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:44,010
for the duration --
for that five hours.
1354
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,428
Go to Sheryl's house,
1355
01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:48,055
I said, "Well, I have an idea.
I don't know if it's really...
1356
01:02:48,055 --> 01:02:49,474
It might be too poppy
for you."
1357
01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:52,185
She's like, "Okay, well, yeah,
let's write it."
1358
01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:58,524
- I'm gonna soak up the sun
1359
01:02:58,524 --> 01:03:06,657
I'm gonna tell everyone
to lighten up
1360
01:03:06,657 --> 01:03:07,992
Jimmy would sit at the desk
1361
01:03:07,992 --> 01:03:11,245
and he'd keep his BlackBerry
under the desk
1362
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:13,623
while he was listening,
and I just was like,
1363
01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:16,667
"Okay, you can't -- you can't
really get into it
1364
01:03:16,667 --> 01:03:19,170
when you're like,
"Mm, what's, uh,
1365
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,005
what's going on with Dre,
and..." you know?!
1366
01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:23,800
So I sit at the door
1367
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,010
and I texted him
from my BlackBerry,
1368
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:29,180
and said, "Would you put
that damn thing down!"
1369
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,600
And he -- he looked up
and he was like...
1370
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,937
-I'm sure we had some
up-downs, some down days.
1371
01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,146
The bottom line is,
1372
01:03:37,146 --> 01:03:39,065
all you have left in the end
is the record,
1373
01:03:39,065 --> 01:03:40,316
and that's a great record.
1374
01:03:40,316 --> 01:03:46,280
- So I can rock on
1375
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,950
-A record would be finished,
and we'd hand it in,
1376
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,076
and Jimmy would say,
1377
01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:51,911
"It's great,
I need another one."
1378
01:03:51,911 --> 01:03:54,288
-I'm the kind of person
that just says,
1379
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:57,959
"Let's keep going till
it's right and don't stop."
1380
01:03:57,959 --> 01:04:00,086
When I was making
"C'mon, C'mon,"
1381
01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:03,881
I was having
real bouts of depression,
1382
01:04:03,881 --> 01:04:05,967
just real low lows,
and I..
1383
01:04:05,967 --> 01:04:07,385
I didn't really know why.
1384
01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:09,136
-Are you going to stop
touring anytime soon
1385
01:04:09,136 --> 01:04:10,638
and just kind of relax?
1386
01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:11,889
-When I die.
-No?
1387
01:04:38,165 --> 01:04:40,167
I...
1388
01:04:41,752 --> 01:04:43,796
Gonna soak up the sun --
1389
01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:51,846
-I'm not getting weird,
I just want one autograph.
1390
01:04:52,972 --> 01:04:59,103
- I wanna soak up
the sun
1391
01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:03,357
Got my 45 on so I
1392
01:05:03,357 --> 01:05:07,862
I can rock on
1393
01:05:17,413 --> 01:05:20,249
-This record is filled
with big choruses
1394
01:05:20,249 --> 01:05:23,502
and hit-oriented rock songs
like "Steve McQueen,"
1395
01:05:23,502 --> 01:05:25,463
and "You're an Original,"
and "Soak Up the Sun,"
1396
01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:28,341
and there is
this little short piece
1397
01:05:28,341 --> 01:05:29,592
called "Weather Channel."
1398
01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:32,803
It's sort of a focal point
of the record for me.
1399
01:05:32,803 --> 01:05:35,181
-I remember my dad tellin' me
about Winston Churchill
1400
01:05:35,181 --> 01:05:36,641
and how he really suffered
1401
01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:39,435
from really bad
bouts of depression
1402
01:05:39,435 --> 01:05:42,229
and how he called it
"the black dog."
1403
01:05:42,229 --> 01:05:45,066
And this is the song
that I don't really remember
1404
01:05:45,066 --> 01:05:47,109
recording or...
or writing,
1405
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:50,237
but the black dog
makes his appearance,
1406
01:05:50,237 --> 01:05:54,033
so I'm assuming
I was in a pretty dark state.
1407
01:06:03,167 --> 01:06:06,587
I had a gig in Boston
and got to Boston,
1408
01:06:06,587 --> 01:06:09,298
and I called my manager,
and I said, "I can't move,
1409
01:06:09,298 --> 01:06:11,592
I can't leave the room,
I just can't."
1410
01:06:11,592 --> 01:06:15,346
I just couldn't --
I couldn't find my way out.
1411
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,309
Sunny mornin'
1412
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:24,146
You can hear it
1413
01:06:24,146 --> 01:06:27,316
Sirens warning
1414
01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:31,112
There is weather on
1415
01:06:31,112 --> 01:06:35,324
Both sides
1416
01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:38,035
I hear it coming
1417
01:06:38,035 --> 01:06:39,453
I remember saying to Scooter,
1418
01:06:39,453 --> 01:06:43,040
"I feel like I need
to go somewhere,
1419
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,376
but I can't face the press."
1420
01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:50,423
He said, "Stay where you are,
I'm coming to get you."
1421
01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:54,010
Just like before
1422
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,179
There's a black dog that
1423
01:06:57,179 --> 01:07:00,433
Scratches my door
1424
01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:05,104
He's been growling my name
1425
01:07:05,104 --> 01:07:07,481
Sayin'
1426
01:07:07,481 --> 01:07:11,318
You better get to running
1427
01:07:13,362 --> 01:07:16,115
-She called me and said,
"I can't do this."
1428
01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:19,201
She was really depressed;
it was overwhelming.
1429
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,123
I think the highs and lows
of being an artist
1430
01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:28,419
that's been riding
this level of success
1431
01:07:28,419 --> 01:07:32,423
for a while
can be very, um...
1432
01:07:32,423 --> 01:07:35,384
suffocating.
1433
01:07:35,384 --> 01:07:38,220
- Can you make it
1434
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:41,515
Better for me?
1435
01:07:41,515 --> 01:07:47,188
Can you maybe see
the light of day?
1436
01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:51,734
'Cause I got no one
1437
01:07:51,734 --> 01:07:58,240
Who will bring me
a big umbrella
1438
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:05,664
While I'm watching
The Weather Channel and
1439
01:08:05,664 --> 01:08:09,168
I'm waiting for the storm
1440
01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:13,089
I can remember talking
to Scooter on the phone
1441
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,549
and saying,
"If I had the energy
1442
01:08:15,549 --> 01:08:18,803
to get up
and run across my loft
1443
01:08:18,803 --> 01:08:20,554
and throw myself out
the window, I would,
1444
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:21,680
but I don't even --
1445
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,557
I don't know
that I even care that much."
1446
01:08:23,557 --> 01:08:27,019
You know, stuff that
didn't feel characteristic
1447
01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:28,604
of my outlook on life.
1448
01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:32,024
That was when it got
kind of worrisome.
1449
01:08:32,024 --> 01:08:35,194
But I don't feel so human
1450
01:08:35,194 --> 01:08:37,029
-Levon Helm used to say,
1451
01:08:37,029 --> 01:08:39,281
"Girl, I'll guard
your gun side."
1452
01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:42,076
That's what I have
in my manager.
1453
01:08:42,076 --> 01:08:45,412
He completely guarded
my gun side.
1454
01:08:45,412 --> 01:08:48,290
However he did it,
I could walk into Mount Sinai
1455
01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:50,793
with an appointment
with someone
1456
01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:54,255
and get it together
over a period of,
1457
01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:56,590
you know, quite a few months.
1458
01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,218
-The handful of times
I've gotten those phone calls
1459
01:08:59,218 --> 01:09:01,095
when she's having
a rough time,
1460
01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:03,264
it caused a lot
of anxiety in me.
1461
01:09:03,264 --> 01:09:07,393
But I know my position here
is to help her through it
1462
01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,603
and to be kind of
foundational.
1463
01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:12,815
It's more than just
a business with her and I,
1464
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:15,776
way more, so I try
to make her understand
1465
01:09:15,776 --> 01:09:21,031
she's heard and safe
and it will pass.
1466
01:09:21,031 --> 01:09:24,702
- You won't want me
1467
01:09:24,702 --> 01:09:30,916
Standing around
the birthday pony
1468
01:09:32,626 --> 01:09:36,714
Even though
it's just a game
1469
01:09:36,714 --> 01:09:39,884
You know we are the same
1470
01:09:39,884 --> 01:09:45,055
But you're
the better faker
1471
01:09:47,099 --> 01:09:51,103
Just a little happy song
about...
1472
01:09:51,103 --> 01:09:52,479
suicidal tendencies.
1473
01:09:58,944 --> 01:09:59,862
-I first heard the song,
1474
01:09:59,862 --> 01:10:01,822
"Are you strong enough
to be my man,"
1475
01:10:01,822 --> 01:10:04,366
I didn't hear it on the radio,
I saw it on a video.
1476
01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,368
Sheryl came on
and she sings this song
1477
01:10:06,368 --> 01:10:08,829
and I thought,
for women like Sheryl and I,
1478
01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:11,665
who have this extreme
kind of career,
1479
01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:14,585
every time we meet
a new nice man,
1480
01:10:14,585 --> 01:10:16,795
it crosses our mind:
Are you strong enough
1481
01:10:16,795 --> 01:10:22,468
to possibly deal with our
incredibly odd life, right?
1482
01:10:22,468 --> 01:10:23,427
-So true.
1483
01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:24,637
-And so
from that moment onward,
1484
01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:25,971
I thought, you know,
this is a great song
1485
01:10:25,971 --> 01:10:30,601
for any women that have,
like, extreme careers.
1486
01:10:30,601 --> 01:10:33,020
-Yeah -- and I couldn't have
said that better.
1487
01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:43,906
God, I feel
like hell tonight
1488
01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:48,452
Tears of rage
I cannot lie
1489
01:10:48,452 --> 01:10:52,665
Be the last to help you
understand
1490
01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:58,170
Are you strong enough
to be my man?
1491
01:10:58,170 --> 01:11:00,589
My man
1492
01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:11,475
I was in the middle of
being on the road
1493
01:11:11,475 --> 01:11:14,478
and making records
and decided that this was
1494
01:11:14,478 --> 01:11:18,315
a relationship I really wanted
to give my time to.
1495
01:11:18,315 --> 01:11:19,942
And the first year
it was fantastic
1496
01:11:19,942 --> 01:11:22,278
and I was ready
to get married.
1497
01:11:22,278 --> 01:11:24,530
I was ready to have a life!
1498
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:26,407
It does get complicated,
though,
1499
01:11:26,407 --> 01:11:29,118
when you have
to dim your light
1500
01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:30,786
to be in somebody else's life.
1501
01:11:30,786 --> 01:11:35,374
Nothing's true
and nothing's right
1502
01:11:35,374 --> 01:11:40,045
So let me be alone tonight
1503
01:11:40,045 --> 01:11:43,882
-You know, you have
a super sensitive artist
1504
01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:48,762
and a super alpha
powerful athlete.
1505
01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:54,101
Lance's view is, "I'm going
to win at all costs,"
1506
01:11:54,101 --> 01:11:55,144
which he did.
1507
01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:56,353
And Sheryl's
1508
01:11:56,353 --> 01:11:59,231
not like that
in the same way.
1509
01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:02,234
-To put everything
in my life aside
1510
01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:03,319
in order to nurture that,
1511
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,487
it wasn't a healthy
situation for me.
1512
01:12:05,487 --> 01:12:07,698
And then there was
what all was going on
1513
01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:09,366
in his racing life,
1514
01:12:09,366 --> 01:12:10,617
and that was hard for me.
1515
01:12:10,617 --> 01:12:12,453
It was hard
for everyone around.
1516
01:12:12,453 --> 01:12:14,455
-French investigators
are still looking
1517
01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:16,040
at the team's blood samples.
1518
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,334
-A guy who comes back
from arguably,
1519
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,668
you know, a death sentence.
1520
01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:22,338
Why would I then enter into
a sport and dope myself up
1521
01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:23,797
and risk my life again?
That's crazy!
1522
01:12:23,797 --> 01:12:26,342
I would never do that!
That's -- no.
1523
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:27,760
No way.
1524
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,846
- Lie to me
1525
01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:35,642
I promise I'll believe
1526
01:12:35,642 --> 01:12:38,812
The urine samples
were all coming out.
1527
01:12:38,812 --> 01:12:39,855
It was a nightmare,
1528
01:12:39,855 --> 01:12:42,274
and I think
we'd had a giant blow up
1529
01:12:42,274 --> 01:12:43,567
and then
within a couple of days,
1530
01:12:43,567 --> 01:12:47,404
this five- or six-carat
diamond showed up.
1531
01:12:47,404 --> 01:12:50,449
And you know, sadly,
that's what I wanted,
1532
01:12:50,449 --> 01:12:52,159
but I didn't want it
like that.
1533
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,371
You know, I didn't --
I didn't want it like that.
1534
01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:02,169
We split up and then,
"Oh, for God's sakes,
1535
01:13:02,169 --> 01:13:05,130
have a mammogram scheduled,
last thing I want to do,"
1536
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:06,465
but I go and do it,
1537
01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:09,885
and they find
some suspect calcifications
1538
01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:11,762
and say,
"Come back in six months
1539
01:13:11,762 --> 01:13:13,389
and we'll look at it again."
1540
01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,642
And my gynecologist called
and said,
1541
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:19,686
"You may as well find out
what this is
1542
01:13:19,686 --> 01:13:21,814
because waiting six months
could be the difference
1543
01:13:21,814 --> 01:13:23,732
in Stage I or Stage II."
1544
01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:26,402
And I went in
and had a needle biopsy,
1545
01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:27,778
was not really
thinking about it --
1546
01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:31,407
I was thinking about
a lot of other things.
1547
01:13:31,407 --> 01:13:32,574
-Well, it was the worst thing
1548
01:13:32,574 --> 01:13:34,660
that's ever happened
in our family.
1549
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:36,829
Now you talk about something
that was just
1550
01:13:36,829 --> 01:13:38,831
incredible, unreal.
1551
01:13:40,165 --> 01:13:43,585
That was it -- a phone call
around dinnertime at night,
1552
01:13:43,585 --> 01:13:46,588
that she's been
diagnosed with cancer.
1553
01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:49,341
And you don't have
any idea of...
1554
01:13:49,341 --> 01:13:51,218
what the outcome is,
1555
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:52,928
what the degree of it is.
1556
01:13:52,928 --> 01:13:55,681
You have this horrible feeling
everything's going to
1557
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:58,100
come crashing down.
1558
01:14:00,978 --> 01:14:02,938
-When I was diagnosed
with breast cancer,
1559
01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,649
there was just stuff swirling
around everywhere in the news,
1560
01:14:05,649 --> 01:14:08,819
and the press, and having
been a "likable" artist,
1561
01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:10,946
people were rooting for me
and then there were also --
1562
01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:12,823
there was a lot of fear
being projected at me like,
1563
01:14:12,823 --> 01:14:14,700
"Oh, my God, if it can happen
to her and she's so healthy,
1564
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:16,952
it could happen to me,"
and people praying,
1565
01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:18,912
and then people
that didn't like me like,
1566
01:14:18,912 --> 01:14:21,707
"Well, that's what she gets,"
and even my relationship
1567
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,626
with what I felt like
was humanity at large,
1568
01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:28,338
the craving to see pictures
of me at my worst --
1569
01:14:28,338 --> 01:14:29,965
I was pissed.
1570
01:14:29,965 --> 01:14:32,926
I mean, I get --
I feel how pissed I was
1571
01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:34,720
when I even talk about it.
1572
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,890
I just was like,
"What the eff
1573
01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:39,183
just happened to my life?"
1574
01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:41,852
And I felt like
I didn't deserve it.
1575
01:14:41,852 --> 01:14:45,814
-You know, we were so involved
in it together with her.
1576
01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:49,526
It just looked like
the end of something.
1577
01:14:49,526 --> 01:14:51,820
-I went with her parents
and sister
1578
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:56,575
to a couple of the first
meetings with the oncologist
1579
01:14:56,575 --> 01:14:57,826
and the whole team.
1580
01:14:57,826 --> 01:14:59,786
And then I had to go do
the business part of it --
1581
01:14:59,786 --> 01:15:02,915
cancel the tours and take
everything off the calendar
1582
01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:06,919
and just start to pray
and support.
1583
01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:08,754
-When you are diagnosed,
1584
01:15:08,754 --> 01:15:11,215
all your dreams
and everything is over.
1585
01:15:11,215 --> 01:15:12,758
It's the end.
1586
01:15:12,758 --> 01:15:14,760
That's what you're faced with.
1587
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,931
My wife was diagnosed
with breast cancer.
1588
01:15:18,931 --> 01:15:21,934
It's beyond traumatic.
1589
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:26,230
It's such
a terrifying situation.
1590
01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:30,108
-It sort of dictates that
everybody figure out
1591
01:15:30,108 --> 01:15:31,568
where they are
with that person,
1592
01:15:31,568 --> 01:15:34,613
like how do I help you,
how do I fix this?
1593
01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:36,448
And it's just not fixable.
1594
01:15:36,448 --> 01:15:40,869
-I always
didn't look over there --
1595
01:15:40,869 --> 01:15:44,540
at cancer -- because...
1596
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:48,502
it was too much of a big,
scary monster.
1597
01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:49,962
But what Sheryl taught my wife
1598
01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:54,591
was that you have
to get educated.
1599
01:15:54,591 --> 01:15:58,011
You have to learn about it.
1600
01:15:58,011 --> 01:15:59,972
And then you can deal with it.
1601
01:15:59,972 --> 01:16:02,683
-I appreciate the opportunity
to testify before you today
1602
01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:04,643
on the Breast Cancer
Environmental Research Act.
1603
01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:07,187
As a breast cancer survivor
and advocate,
1604
01:16:07,187 --> 01:16:08,730
I am very passionate
about getting
1605
01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:10,566
this bill enacted this year.
1606
01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:15,112
-Sheryl gave my wife
so much guidance.
1607
01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:18,031
Up here.
1608
01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:19,950
Sheryl is a survivor.
1609
01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:21,952
-I have no idea
why I got breast cancer,
1610
01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:24,329
but what I do know
is we need more resources
1611
01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:26,498
into figuring out
what the environment has to
1612
01:16:26,498 --> 01:16:27,624
do with breast cancer.
1613
01:16:27,624 --> 01:16:30,002
-The first thing she did
1614
01:16:30,002 --> 01:16:33,964
was let a group of us in,
1615
01:16:33,964 --> 01:16:37,509
in a really deep
and intimate way.
1616
01:16:37,509 --> 01:16:38,885
I've had very few friends
1617
01:16:38,885 --> 01:16:42,306
who've let me in
when they needed me most.
1618
01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:43,307
She really did.
1619
01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,810
She gave me
the opportunity to love her.
1620
01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:51,273
-I had this incredible tribe
of women around me
1621
01:16:51,273 --> 01:16:53,609
that swept in
1622
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:56,737
and carried me
on their shoulders.
1623
01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:58,113
And when I was done,
1624
01:16:58,113 --> 01:17:01,658
they were there
to get me back on my feet
1625
01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:04,870
and to get me back
to who I wanted to be.
1626
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:07,623
And I think women do that.
1627
01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:14,504
What do I do with
this sweet love of mine?
1628
01:17:14,504 --> 01:17:17,132
Do I give it away
1629
01:17:17,132 --> 01:17:20,010
And hope some day
I'll find
1630
01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:22,554
Someone half as awake
1631
01:17:22,554 --> 01:17:29,227
As the moon and the stars
1632
01:17:29,227 --> 01:17:33,231
Mother, teach me to love
1633
01:17:33,231 --> 01:17:38,862
With a paper-thin heart
1634
01:17:38,862 --> 01:17:40,989
When I came out of radiation,
1635
01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:43,283
I was sitting with my mom
and I was saying, you know,
1636
01:17:43,283 --> 01:17:47,079
there -- there are things
that I really had hoped
1637
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,955
in my life I would have,
1638
01:17:48,955 --> 01:17:50,666
and I wanted to be a mom.
1639
01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:53,669
I wanted to be a mom
like my mom was.
1640
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:56,046
-She was lamenting about
her life going on
1641
01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:59,633
and not ever having a family
and not having any children,
1642
01:17:59,633 --> 01:18:02,177
and that was one of
the worst things
1643
01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,887
about the predicament
she was in.
1644
01:18:03,887 --> 01:18:05,514
-I had this story in my head
about what that looked like,
1645
01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:08,725
you know, that looked like,
you fall in love with someone,
1646
01:18:08,725 --> 01:18:10,894
you get married,
you know, you buy a house,
1647
01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:12,771
you save your money,
you have children,
1648
01:18:12,771 --> 01:18:15,357
blah-blah-blah --
like what I was raised with.
1649
01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:18,860
-She was miserably unhappy,
she's been treated for cancer,
1650
01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:21,321
and now she faces that she'll
never have any children.
1651
01:18:21,321 --> 01:18:23,740
And my instinct
immediately was,
1652
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:25,742
that's not necessarily true.
1653
01:18:25,742 --> 01:18:30,038
I mean, you can adopt
beautiful children.
1654
01:18:30,038 --> 01:18:31,790
You can have your own family.
1655
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:34,418
-My mom said, "You could get
a sperm donor."
1656
01:18:34,418 --> 01:18:35,752
I'm like, "What?!"
1657
01:18:35,752 --> 01:18:37,879
-She thought at first
I'd lost my mind.
1658
01:18:37,879 --> 01:18:40,966
You know, "You're trying
to tell me to go out
1659
01:18:40,966 --> 01:18:44,469
and find some children?"
1660
01:18:44,469 --> 01:18:45,470
Well, yes.
1661
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:47,097
-I remember having
a conversation with my brother
1662
01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:48,974
when I was adopting my boys,
I said,
1663
01:18:48,974 --> 01:18:50,767
"You know, it's so interesting
because you --
1664
01:18:50,767 --> 01:18:52,436
when you adopt,
you really don't know
1665
01:18:52,436 --> 01:18:54,896
exactly what you're getting,"
and he said,
1666
01:18:54,896 --> 01:18:57,023
"You know, when you have
your own kids biologically,
1667
01:18:57,023 --> 01:19:00,235
you really don't know exactly
what you're getting, either."
1668
01:19:00,235 --> 01:19:01,987
And that --
that made sense to me,
1669
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:04,030
that resonated with me,
because I feel like,
1670
01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:06,074
no matter if you have them
biologically
1671
01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:09,828
or if you adopt them,
you don't get the wrong kids.
1672
01:19:51,411 --> 01:19:54,581
-Hey, Mom, love you.
There's Levi.
1673
01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:55,957
-Hi!
-Here's me.
1674
01:19:55,957 --> 01:19:57,125
-We love you!
1675
01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:14,643
-No!
1676
01:21:06,236 --> 01:21:09,197
-I think Sheryl wanted
to raise her kids
1677
01:21:09,197 --> 01:21:11,157
in an environment
that was more akin
1678
01:21:11,157 --> 01:21:13,785
to where she grew up,
but still she could be
1679
01:21:13,785 --> 01:21:17,038
in the mix of the music world.
1680
01:21:17,038 --> 01:21:21,459
- If I can't be
someone else
1681
01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:25,297
If I can't be someone else
1682
01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:30,260
Oh, if I can't be
someone else
1683
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:34,890
I might as well be
myself, myself
1684
01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:37,434
Ooh
1685
01:21:37,434 --> 01:21:39,311
We built a barn where
the horses could live,
1686
01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:43,648
and I thought, I'm just going
to put a writing room up here,
1687
01:21:43,648 --> 01:21:45,400
so it needs to be
a little bit sound-proofed,
1688
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,319
I moved all my vintage gear
up here,
1689
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:51,114
hung up my guitars,
and I can come to work here.
1690
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,245
-It's really pretty amazing,
actually.
1691
01:21:57,245 --> 01:22:00,081
The studio itself
is over a stable
1692
01:22:00,081 --> 01:22:02,709
with these fantastic horses,
1693
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:05,295
and you would think that
the horses would be spooked
1694
01:22:05,295 --> 01:22:07,339
by sound,
but they're not --
1695
01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:09,799
they're just grooving.
1696
01:22:18,683 --> 01:22:20,769
-I love vintage amps,
got to be vintage,
1697
01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:25,774
got to be a vintage box
or vintage tweed; old snares.
1698
01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,233
Got to have a Black Beauty.
1699
01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:29,986
And then of course,
I have to have a certain...
1700
01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:31,988
amount of just junk.
1701
01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:33,949
-Sheryl is a gear freak,
1702
01:22:33,949 --> 01:22:36,117
so you're going to work
every day,
1703
01:22:36,117 --> 01:22:37,619
you're going,
"I want that sound,
1704
01:22:37,619 --> 01:22:39,329
looking for
that guitar sound,"
1705
01:22:39,329 --> 01:22:42,374
"Oh, that guitar right there,"
pull it off the wall, boom,
1706
01:22:42,374 --> 01:22:44,751
it's all set up
and ready to go.
1707
01:22:44,751 --> 01:22:45,877
So if you have an idea,
1708
01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:48,254
you can jump right on it
and play.
1709
01:22:48,254 --> 01:22:50,256
-I called Steve Jordan
and said,
1710
01:22:50,256 --> 01:22:51,383
Will you make this record?
1711
01:22:51,383 --> 01:22:53,093
I don't know what it is,
1712
01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,470
but I know I want to bring
Kris Kristofferson in
1713
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:57,430
and I want to record
with other people
1714
01:22:57,430 --> 01:23:01,267
that I've shared music with
and I've shared life with.
1715
01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:03,687
And so that's what we did.
1716
01:23:05,105 --> 01:23:09,234
-"Threads" is the definition
of what all those people
1717
01:23:09,234 --> 01:23:12,278
mean to her musically.
1718
01:23:12,278 --> 01:23:15,323
-I always felt like I was
sort of born out of time.
1719
01:23:15,323 --> 01:23:17,450
All the artists that I had
loved, I missed that boat.
1720
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:19,953
I didn't get to be around
with them when they were,
1721
01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:21,121
you know, really happening
1722
01:23:21,121 --> 01:23:22,372
and when they were all
hanging out.
1723
01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:23,790
And that made such an impact
1724
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:24,958
on this girl from Missouri
1725
01:23:24,958 --> 01:23:26,584
who had these dreams
of hanging out
1726
01:23:26,584 --> 01:23:28,503
with Stevie Nicks
and James Taylor
1727
01:23:28,503 --> 01:23:30,296
and, I mean,
all these incredible artists
1728
01:23:30,296 --> 01:23:33,842
that have inspired me
to write stories.
1729
01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:36,344
Endless, endless connections.
1730
01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:43,435
Who put the blame on me
1731
01:23:43,435 --> 01:23:48,857
You oughta pass you see
1732
01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:52,318
-What I do love about Sheryl
is her love of music,
1733
01:23:52,318 --> 01:23:54,821
and I always feel happy
around Sheryl, you know?
1734
01:23:54,821 --> 01:23:58,199
-She had that producer
knowledge of the studio
1735
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:02,120
and we recorded all the ideas
and sorted through those
1736
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,456
and then we cut a track.
1737
01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:06,416
-Sheryl's been able to do
all those things
1738
01:24:06,416 --> 01:24:09,419
because she's that gifted
and that talented
1739
01:24:09,419 --> 01:24:10,670
and that hard-working,
1740
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:14,466
and also because she's
a cool person to be around.
1741
01:24:14,466 --> 01:24:17,427
She's a big influence
on me in that way.
1742
01:24:22,348 --> 01:24:24,017
-There's a weird thing
that happens
1743
01:24:24,017 --> 01:24:26,061
when you become
a legacy artist,
1744
01:24:26,061 --> 01:24:28,521
it's sort of
a sideways compliment.
1745
01:24:28,521 --> 01:24:32,233
It's like, okay, you have
stood the test of time,
1746
01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:35,653
but also you're old and
you just haven't gone away.
1747
01:24:35,653 --> 01:24:37,280
You know what I mean?
It's like, I don't know
1748
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,075
how to hold the legacy thing.
1749
01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:42,327
-You think there's a secret?
1750
01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:46,331
No, there is no hidden...
1751
01:24:46,331 --> 01:24:50,210
potion or formula.
1752
01:24:50,210 --> 01:24:51,503
You just get stuck here
1753
01:24:51,503 --> 01:24:54,297
and you're still doing it
and you still love it.
1754
01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,550
And in a way you're filled
with amazement
1755
01:24:57,550 --> 01:24:59,469
that you are still here
doing it.
1756
01:24:59,469 --> 01:25:02,055
But there ain't no secrets
sticking around.
1757
01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:03,306
Just luck of the draw.
1758
01:25:03,306 --> 01:25:05,600
-When we got asked to do
Bonnaroo, I was like,
1759
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,231
"That is going to be amazing
or absolutely awful."
1760
01:25:11,231 --> 01:25:13,399
I think we played at like four
or five in the afternoon
1761
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,319
and like, literally maybe
30 minutes before we played
1762
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,446
nobody was out there,
and I'm thinking,
1763
01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:19,989
"Well, okay,
1764
01:25:19,989 --> 01:25:24,160
I'm a legacy artist and
I'm too old for this crowd."
1765
01:25:25,495 --> 01:25:28,248
And I don't know how,
but when we walked out,
1766
01:25:28,248 --> 01:25:31,918
the place was just all the way
back filled with people.
1767
01:25:49,269 --> 01:25:50,353
It was euphoric!
1768
01:25:50,353 --> 01:25:52,313
Because I didn't know
if the audience --
1769
01:25:52,313 --> 01:25:55,400
and they're super young --
had been exposed to my music
1770
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:56,568
because of their parents,
1771
01:25:56,568 --> 01:25:57,944
but they knew everything.
1772
01:25:57,944 --> 01:26:05,118
I been long,
a long way from here
1773
01:26:08,288 --> 01:26:12,917
Put on a poncho
and played for mosquitoes
1774
01:26:12,917 --> 01:26:17,130
And drank
'til I was thirsty again
1775
01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:19,215
I was literally looking
at my band
1776
01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:21,050
who is, you know,
for the most part my age,
1777
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:22,343
maybe a couple
of years younger
1778
01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:23,803
and maybe a couple
of years older,
1779
01:26:23,803 --> 01:26:27,390
and we're all up there looking
at each other going,
1780
01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:28,725
"What is happening?"
1781
01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:31,769
These young people, who are
younger than these songs are,
1782
01:26:31,769 --> 01:26:33,563
they're the people that
are out in the audience
1783
01:26:33,563 --> 01:26:37,025
that are, like,
totally going for it
1784
01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:39,110
on "If It Makes You Happy."
1785
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:40,653
I made this up
1786
01:26:40,653 --> 01:26:46,075
There is something liberating
about lifting your voice.
1787
01:26:46,075 --> 01:26:51,206
If it makes you happy
1788
01:26:51,206 --> 01:26:55,501
It can't be that bad
1789
01:26:55,501 --> 01:27:00,465
-It has, I think, probably one
of the best cut-loose choruses
1790
01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,300
of any modern rock song.
1791
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,844
You know, the whole thing
is kept really subdued
1792
01:27:04,844 --> 01:27:06,804
and it's cool
and it's kind of stoned
1793
01:27:06,804 --> 01:27:08,306
and you're describing
this day.
1794
01:27:08,306 --> 01:27:10,016
But then when she says,
"if it makes you happy,"
1795
01:27:10,016 --> 01:27:12,352
it's like --
- If it makes you happy
1796
01:27:12,352 --> 01:27:14,395
-It all comes open.
1797
01:27:14,395 --> 01:27:16,064
- Let me hear you sing
1798
01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:20,485
It can't be that bad
1799
01:27:20,485 --> 01:27:21,861
If it makes you happy...
1800
01:27:21,861 --> 01:27:25,698
People feel themselves in
that, they feel their power.
1801
01:27:25,698 --> 01:27:29,911
And when I get to sing it,
I feel that power too.
1802
01:27:29,911 --> 01:27:32,580
I feel it in my gut
and in my chest.
1803
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:35,124
-When Sheryl shouts
on that song,
1804
01:27:35,124 --> 01:27:37,085
she does have a whole kind of
1805
01:27:37,085 --> 01:27:38,336
"givin' it to the gods" vibe,
1806
01:27:38,336 --> 01:27:39,837
and it just cuts loose,
it gives everyone else
1807
01:27:39,837 --> 01:27:42,507
permission to cut loose,
all the heads go back,
1808
01:27:42,507 --> 01:27:44,926
and you can see it.
1809
01:27:44,926 --> 01:27:49,597
- Why the hell are you
so sad?
1810
01:27:53,351 --> 01:27:58,273
It gets in there
and it makes you express.
1811
01:27:58,273 --> 01:28:00,608
It's joy, man, it's just joy.
1812
01:28:27,385 --> 01:28:29,637
Come to me now
1813
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:36,060
Lay your hands over me
1814
01:28:37,854 --> 01:28:40,565
Even if it's a lie
1815
01:28:40,565 --> 01:28:44,319
Say it will be all right
1816
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:46,738
And I shall believe
1817
01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:50,366
-She is holding the torch
1818
01:28:50,366 --> 01:28:55,705
in a line of very rare
iconic voices.
1819
01:28:55,705 --> 01:28:58,750
- And I do believe
1820
01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:02,295
-You know, she comes from
a long line of strong women.
1821
01:29:02,295 --> 01:29:04,255
Tina Turner, Bonnie Raitt,
Aretha.
1822
01:29:04,255 --> 01:29:10,428
Fantastic women who have made
their place in this business
1823
01:29:10,428 --> 01:29:12,889
without compromising.
1824
01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:19,145
- Please say honestly you
won't give up on me
1825
01:29:22,148 --> 01:29:25,818
I shall believe
1826
01:29:25,818 --> 01:29:27,862
-Sheryl figured out a way
1827
01:29:27,862 --> 01:29:30,907
to tell the truth
through her talent,
1828
01:29:30,907 --> 01:29:33,493
and whether it's about
our brokenness
1829
01:29:33,493 --> 01:29:35,453
or our longing or our grief,
1830
01:29:35,453 --> 01:29:38,623
she's not going to shy away
from the truth.
1831
01:29:38,623 --> 01:29:40,666
-For Sheryl,
it's always about the music
1832
01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:43,586
and being true to herself.
1833
01:29:43,586 --> 01:29:46,464
-It's called "the feel,"
you know,
1834
01:29:46,464 --> 01:29:49,550
and either you feel it
or you're don't.
1835
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:54,222
What you're trying to do
is to pass that feeling on.
1836
01:29:54,222 --> 01:29:57,141
And Sheryl can do that.
1837
01:29:57,141 --> 01:29:58,101
-The life I have is
1838
01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:01,938
completely informed by her
and vice versa.
1839
01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:06,567
It's bigger than a statement
that I could make.
1840
01:30:06,567 --> 01:30:07,819
You can't put a label on that.
1841
01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:11,406
You know, it's -- it's kind of
just a miracle.
1842
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:13,408
It's a miracle, really.
1843
01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:16,244
- I shall believe
1844
01:30:18,413 --> 01:30:20,748
I shall believe
1845
01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:25,711
I shall believe
1846
01:30:28,798 --> 01:30:30,967
Oh
1847
01:30:30,967 --> 01:30:34,053
I'm just open,
I'm just trying to learn.
1848
01:30:34,053 --> 01:30:36,347
I'm going to fall,
I'm going to make mistakes,
1849
01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:39,809
but I'm also going to do some
things I'm really proud of,
1850
01:30:39,809 --> 01:30:42,061
and things that really speak
to who I am
1851
01:30:42,061 --> 01:30:44,605
and my character
and my desires.
1852
01:30:44,605 --> 01:30:48,734
If I'm honest with myself,
what art is, is a picture
1853
01:30:48,734 --> 01:30:50,611
of who you are
at any given moment.
1854
01:30:50,611 --> 01:30:54,157
And looking back on my career,
my body of work,
1855
01:30:54,157 --> 01:30:58,786
I could safely say
it is pretty honest.
1856
01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:02,665
Oh
1857
01:31:02,665 --> 01:31:05,835
Please say honestly
1858
01:31:05,835 --> 01:31:11,799
You won't give up on me
1859
01:31:11,799 --> 01:31:15,720
I'm gonna keep on
keepin' on
1860
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,265
Keepin' on, keepin' on
1861
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:24,854
What the world needs now
1862
01:31:24,854 --> 01:31:27,940
Is love, sweet love
1863
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:29,734
Sing it with me now.
1864
01:31:29,734 --> 01:31:31,819
Here we go!
1865
01:31:31,819 --> 01:31:35,531
What the world needs now
1866
01:31:35,531 --> 01:31:38,868
- ...love, sweet love
1867
01:31:38,868 --> 01:31:43,498
- Oh
1868
01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:45,583
What the world
1869
01:31:45,583 --> 01:31:47,502
- Needs now
1870
01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:53,633
- Love, sweet love
1871
01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:05,269
Ooh
1872
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,867
One, two, three, four...
1873
01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:33,214
Lay your head down,
don't you worry tonight
1874
01:32:33,214 --> 01:32:40,304
Can't fix the world
no matter how you try
1875
01:32:40,304 --> 01:32:49,897
Give it some time, you will
find everything is all right
1876
01:32:55,152 --> 01:32:59,657
There's no such thing
as forever
1877
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:09,041
But you and me,
we got today
1878
01:33:09,041 --> 01:33:13,129
And every moment
we're together
1879
01:33:13,129 --> 01:33:16,007
I know there is a heaven
1880
01:33:16,007 --> 01:33:21,220
'Cause you make me
feel that way
1881
01:33:29,103 --> 01:33:36,235
When I get down,
you're the one that I call
1882
01:33:36,235 --> 01:33:42,992
You picked me up
every time that I fall
1883
01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:49,832
And when you left,
nothing else matters to me
1884
01:33:49,832 --> 01:33:52,752
At all
1885
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:02,595
There's no such thing
as forever
1886
01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:11,937
But you and me,
we got today
1887
01:34:11,937 --> 01:34:15,816
Every moment
we're together
1888
01:34:15,816 --> 01:34:18,861
I know there is a heaven
1889
01:34:18,861 --> 01:34:24,659
'Cause you make me
feel that way
1890
01:34:38,798 --> 01:34:41,676
Garbage out in space,
garbage in the lake
1891
01:34:41,676 --> 01:34:44,428
Baby, what a waste
1892
01:34:45,888 --> 01:34:48,599
Everybody's mad,
everybody's sad
1893
01:34:48,599 --> 01:34:52,186
See it in their face
1894
01:34:52,186 --> 01:34:55,106
I gotta have the latest,
gotta have the best
1895
01:34:55,106 --> 01:34:58,234
The most, if you wanna be
happy, light a match
1896
01:34:58,234 --> 01:35:02,363
And watch it
all go up in smoke
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