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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,285 --> 00:00:05,433 Productions presents Mark Devries 2 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:18,658 A MARK DEVRIES film 3 00:00:20,353 --> 00:00:25,284 I thought I had a pretty clear idea of how the world works. 4 00:00:26,965 --> 00:00:32,067 Not exactly about everything in life, but on the basics of its operation. 5 00:00:33,306 --> 00:00:34,925 I was mistaken. 6 00:00:35,348 --> 00:00:37,067 Speciesism 7 00:00:37,067 --> 00:00:38,499 Speciesism - the movie 8 00:00:42,134 --> 00:00:46,947 He began to change when I came across with something that looked pretty innocuous. 9 00:00:49,281 --> 00:00:51,214 And pretty stupid, really. 10 00:00:52,665 --> 00:00:53,502 Wait a minute. 11 00:00:53,501 --> 00:00:55,229 Let me give you an overview. 12 00:00:57,652 --> 00:00:59,602 So this is me. 13 00:00:59,588 --> 00:01:02,971 Working on the film you You are watching now. 14 00:01:03,810 --> 00:01:07,154 I started researching and filming it in college, 15 00:01:07,154 --> 00:01:08,237 as I was 20 years old. 16 00:01:08,298 --> 00:01:11,112 I conceived as the most important thing I had never done. 17 00:01:11,244 --> 00:01:14,111 And do not let my homework flow much. 18 00:01:14,385 --> 00:01:17,291 I had to turn into a movie. 19 00:01:17,873 --> 00:01:19,758 But I did not have much time. 20 00:01:20,038 --> 00:01:21,352 Nor money. 21 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,768 Then I worked at Disney World and 22 00:01:23,768 --> 00:01:25,856 at Starbucks and a museum. 23 00:01:25,856 --> 00:01:28,233 And I put all my money in the film. 24 00:01:28,853 --> 00:01:30,831 Last year, at 22, 25 00:01:30,996 --> 00:01:33,254 when it was to study law, 26 00:01:33,491 --> 00:01:34,891 I decided to postpone it 27 00:01:35,077 --> 00:01:37,544 and move to my father's house for 1 year 28 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:38,709 to finish the film. 29 00:01:38,803 --> 00:01:41,096 Of course I did not know how to make a movie, 30 00:01:41,096 --> 00:01:43,629 but I made new friends along the way, 31 00:01:43,629 --> 00:01:45,742 who helped me holding the camera. 32 00:01:45,978 --> 00:01:48,458 As the candidate Alex name of PHD. 33 00:01:48,742 --> 00:01:53,064 - I can hear me right in the headphones. 34 00:01:53,322 --> 00:01:55,963 And my colleague, psychology student, name Alana 35 00:01:56,391 --> 00:01:59,024 Sometimes they just They sat and watched. 36 00:01:59,428 --> 00:02:01,433 So here we go, back to the movie. 37 00:02:01,477 --> 00:02:05,417 - Hey, what do you say? - How many bears were killed today? 38 00:02:05,712 --> 00:02:10,107 - I was already naked Florida, Arizona, Las Vegas ... 39 00:02:10,391 --> 00:02:11,723 - Oops, I search for you Google then? 40 00:02:11,875 --> 00:02:13,460 You are naked on the internet too? 41 00:02:13,626 --> 00:02:14,241 - Yes I am. 42 00:02:14,569 --> 00:02:18,248 I visited some other such Events for the Rights of Animals 43 00:02:18,552 --> 00:02:20,091 - Boycott the Ringlings Brothers! 44 00:02:20,382 --> 00:02:24,182 - A post on a blog of a former clown of Ringling ... 45 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:26,171 - (A former clown?) 46 00:02:26,431 --> 00:02:28,601 - It is called "Why I I retired my red nose " 47 00:02:28,728 --> 00:02:31,160 I decided to find out the reason of it. 48 00:02:31,634 --> 00:02:34,903 There are many different organizations organizing this type of event. 49 00:02:34,903 --> 00:02:37,476 So I started with the most important: 50 00:02:37,476 --> 00:02:41,076 PETA, or "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals" 51 00:02:41,349 --> 00:02:44,962 The co-founder and president of PETA is Ingrid Newkirk. 52 00:02:46,988 --> 00:02:50,724 Then I went pro HQ PETA, in Norfolk, Virginia, 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,825 to see if I could talk to Ingrid. 54 00:02:52,825 --> 00:02:57,524 I found the person who probably He spends most of his time with her. 55 00:02:57,794 --> 00:02:58,700 - You are a personal assistant? 56 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:00,596 - Executive Assistant 57 00:03:00,886 --> 00:03:01,793 - What does that mean? 58 00:03:01,793 --> 00:03:06,484 - I plan everything to her, practically his right arm in PETA. 59 00:03:07,399 --> 00:03:11,931 - After all, where is this office Ingrid Newkirk? It's at the top? 60 00:03:11,931 --> 00:03:12,931 - Ã-huh. 61 00:03:13,054 --> 00:03:15,595 - So just climb on top, she is at the top? 62 00:03:15,683 --> 00:03:16,388 - She stays. 63 00:03:17,621 --> 00:03:19,061 - She always stood at the top? 64 00:03:19,229 --> 00:03:20,212 - I have no idea. 65 00:03:22,971 --> 00:03:24,357 - You had to move north? 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,261 - Yes I wanted to move to north already. before planning move here. 67 00:03:27,785 --> 00:03:30,688 I had to convince her to take me to the right place. 68 00:03:31,227 --> 00:03:34,290 - This is the International Grassroots Campaign (dept. Popular Campaigns) 69 00:03:34,469 --> 00:03:35,919 - Here is the Web production and computer science. 70 00:03:36,125 --> 00:03:37,797 - This is the Corporate Affairs. 71 00:03:37,797 --> 00:03:39,130 - Here, Marketing. 72 00:03:39,699 --> 00:03:42,141 - They help to shape our campaigns. 73 00:03:42,141 --> 00:03:45,094 - They are the best people, for the target audience of campanha.- 74 00:03:45,256 --> 00:03:46,915 - There are many animals here ... 75 00:03:46,915 --> 00:03:47,676 - Ã-huh. 76 00:03:47,961 --> 00:03:50,627 - This is the Communications department. 77 00:03:51,031 --> 00:03:54,564 - Is there any reason for the symbol chosen for him? 78 00:03:54,889 --> 00:03:57,380 I think she was stalling, because when he left the department, 79 00:03:57,380 --> 00:03:59,162 she even showed me the the mailroom. 80 00:03:59,162 --> 00:04:01,982 - We have the post office department. 81 00:04:02,216 --> 00:04:03,838 - Only then I met Ingrid. 82 00:04:04,071 --> 00:04:07,618 - You have to do something provocative, 83 00:04:07,618 --> 00:04:10,765 or controversial, or puzzling, or sexual, 84 00:04:11,169 --> 00:04:14,902 so that each stop your busy life and take a look. 85 00:04:15,028 --> 00:04:16,515 - And this is Bruce Friedrich. 86 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:20,674 Bruce is the Vice President of PETA for Policy and Government Affairs. 87 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:23,470 - There are some things we decided to do, 88 00:04:23,470 --> 00:04:27,594 we leave behind, for fear that they were going too far. 89 00:04:27,662 --> 00:04:28,406 - Like what? 90 00:04:28,406 --> 00:04:30,257 - But I can not remember nothing inappropriate. 91 00:04:30,257 --> 00:04:32,334 Other Vice President, Dan Mathews, 92 00:04:32,334 --> 00:04:34,792 It is somewhat different from Bruce and Ingrid. 93 00:04:35,042 --> 00:04:37,944 - Our actions have led us to one of MTV party in Miami, 94 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:40,287 by Andy Dick, that would be a presenter 95 00:04:40,416 --> 00:04:45,502 And, a single weekend, it was a party, I met the Reverend Sharpton. 96 00:04:45,502 --> 00:04:48,988 - Hello, I'm Reverend Al Sharpton, with PETA. 97 00:04:49,154 --> 00:04:50,902 - That same weekend in Miami, 98 00:04:50,902 --> 00:04:53,412 I was a hip-hop ballad, with a drag queen, 99 00:04:53,412 --> 00:04:55,300 and thought we would be attacked, 100 00:04:56,215 --> 00:04:59,739 and ... just ... the Drag-queen I knew the Dennis Rodman 101 00:04:59,739 --> 00:05:01,846 I invited him to be the first athlete Pro naked pose our 102 00:05:01,871 --> 00:05:03,592 Ad Campaign "No Fur" (without skin). 103 00:05:03,567 --> 00:05:05,887 - It is with women who achieved a lot more attention because people are 104 00:05:05,912 --> 00:05:07,887 more fascinated with naked women than men (except 105 00:05:07,887 --> 00:05:09,194 for me, of course, because I'm gay). 106 00:05:09,194 --> 00:05:14,270 - When you do something controversial, it creates conversation. And talk is good. 107 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:15,774 Discussion is good. 108 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:21,149 - Can anyone despise PETA, saying "Oh, that group only makes bullshit ... 109 00:05:21,651 --> 00:05:25,097 ... but you know? What they say It has some merit. " 110 00:05:25,313 --> 00:05:28,039 - All right, they are good at getting public attention, 111 00:05:28,043 --> 00:05:31,405 but the intensity of that place It was unusual. 112 00:05:31,405 --> 00:05:32,665 I had to ask: 113 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:35,046 They are getting all the attention, exactly, for what? 114 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,509 - Much essentially smart people, who is living honestly, 115 00:05:39,527 --> 00:05:40,201 - "Essentially"? 116 00:05:40,226 --> 00:05:46,747 - Smart people who live well, politically awake, 117 00:05:46,747 --> 00:05:51,014 I have no idea what's going on an industrial farm, 118 00:05:51,007 --> 00:05:52,959 to what happens in a laboratory vivisection, 119 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:53,950 simply have no idea! 120 00:05:54,096 --> 00:05:55,496 - "Industrial Farm"? 121 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,024 So I decided to see what they are. 122 00:05:58,422 --> 00:06:01,439 Let PETA and visited the office 123 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:03,304 "Compassion Over Killing" (Compassion, not kill) 124 00:06:03,329 --> 00:06:06,990 an organization that does research secret in the egg industry. 125 00:06:07,052 --> 00:06:09,161 (Erica Meier - Executive Director) - Found when they began to put 126 00:06:09,213 --> 00:06:13,073 all those birds so confined, intensively confined in cages, 127 00:06:13,073 --> 00:06:17,036 the birds to escape the frustration, They began to peck each other, 128 00:06:17,036 --> 00:06:19,631 they have a natural need for pecking, that most people know, 129 00:06:19,631 --> 00:06:24,763 then, by this natural pecking order, if is a bird that is on the bottom of the cage, 130 00:06:24,763 --> 00:06:28,161 You can not escape, so she will continue and peck, peck, peck. 131 00:06:28,161 --> 00:06:31,635 So to avoid this, they began the pecking birds. 132 00:06:31,635 --> 00:06:35,517 Overpopulation, diseases and injured, dead birds, 133 00:06:35,517 --> 00:06:39,675 on any farm you visit, you will find. 134 00:06:39,706 --> 00:06:41,612 - How can I prove that you You are not lying? 135 00:06:41,612 --> 00:06:44,345 - You can go to a farm for yourself! 136 00:06:45,588 --> 00:06:47,455 - This can only be the farm 137 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:49,741 eggs. 138 00:06:49,966 --> 00:06:50,678 - Ã-huh. 139 00:06:51,371 --> 00:06:52,917 - See the quarrel chickens with that tractor. 140 00:06:53,226 --> 00:06:54,692 - What the hell are you doing? 141 00:06:56,477 --> 00:06:59,684 - I do not want to be arrested. If they say who will call the police, we will say 142 00:06:59,684 --> 00:07:00,573 "ok, we're leaving," right? 143 00:07:00,573 --> 00:07:01,760 - Yes right. - Right. 144 00:07:01,828 --> 00:07:04,575 - Oh, my God, just open the door, It is a horrible stench! 145 00:07:04,575 --> 00:07:06,431 - Holy shit, that's right! 146 00:07:08,791 --> 00:07:10,651 STOP. Biological security. All vehicles 147 00:07:10,676 --> 00:07:12,768 should wash the tires before entering. 148 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:14,746 STOP. Do not enter. This is a biosafety area. 149 00:07:14,855 --> 00:07:18,197 - Just follow me. Let's see if anyone I can talk to. 150 00:07:20,620 --> 00:07:24,576 - Hello how are you? Well, maybe we are in the wrong place. 151 00:07:24,576 --> 00:07:27,512 - We are looking for a farm. 152 00:07:27,583 --> 00:07:28,501 - I think found. 153 00:07:28,501 --> 00:07:30,621 - We're trying to find out ... 154 00:07:30,633 --> 00:07:35,252 ... Proof against those who They say there is something wrong in the treatment 155 00:07:35,252 --> 00:07:39,307 ethical of animals on farms of eggs. - You can talk to John and Linda .... 156 00:07:40,431 --> 00:07:44,197 I went looking for John and Linda and I I found her. 157 00:07:44,326 --> 00:07:48,080 - Oh hi! I think we're looking for the person right, because you can share the ... 158 00:07:48,316 --> 00:07:49,916 - You can not enter on our property. 159 00:07:50,385 --> 00:07:50,955 - As? 160 00:07:51,214 --> 00:07:53,101 - You can not enter on our property. 161 00:07:53,668 --> 00:07:55,136 - Ah ... no way? 162 00:07:55,497 --> 00:07:58,923 - Because ... if there is any way, perhaps we anticipate him, 163 00:07:58,923 --> 00:08:00,955 we can come back and visit? 164 00:08:01,218 --> 00:08:05,085 - No one left here ... analyze our chickens. 165 00:08:05,437 --> 00:08:09,102 - Oh, but there's a reason? Is there any way? Because. what we are trying to do 166 00:08:09,102 --> 00:08:12,683 It is to contradict those who claim that there is something wrong with the treatment of animals. 167 00:08:12,683 --> 00:08:14,219 - That's bullshit, you know? 168 00:08:14,924 --> 00:08:18,287 So is there anything we can do to show them? 169 00:08:18,287 --> 00:08:21,234 Maybe we can visit, or give you the camera and you enter? 170 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:21,819 - No. 171 00:08:22,712 --> 00:08:23,208 - Oh ... 172 00:08:23,989 --> 00:08:26,226 - I know you do not know who you are. 173 00:08:26,226 --> 00:08:29,972 You know, just do not let strangers enter. Especially to take pictures. 174 00:08:29,972 --> 00:08:32,001 We do not mistreat our chickens. 175 00:08:32,576 --> 00:08:34,360 - What is the size of the cage them? 176 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,697 - The cages are quite large. 177 00:08:35,697 --> 00:08:37,986 - So, they are great for many chickens? 178 00:08:37,986 --> 00:08:41,119 - I do not know ... that's business my husband. 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,594 - So you did not see the cages? 180 00:08:42,594 --> 00:08:45,622 - I have been there, but would not know tell measures. 181 00:08:45,622 --> 00:08:48,737 And we have cages of various measures. 182 00:08:48,737 --> 00:08:50,040 - Not estimate? 183 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,008 - I can not even estimate, because I dont know. 184 00:08:53,008 --> 00:08:58,199 - OK ... and ... and that cut the beak bid? That is not true, is it? 185 00:08:58,199 --> 00:09:02,711 - They do this for a chicken do not kill each other in the cage. 186 00:09:03,196 --> 00:09:03,945 - Oh! 187 00:09:04,229 --> 00:09:07,811 - I took my coat "I Love Eggs" and returned to the car, 188 00:09:07,836 --> 00:09:10,605 where we found some guys noting our plates. 189 00:09:10,931 --> 00:09:14,664 - And they said "Oh yes, you can park here." 190 00:09:14,803 --> 00:09:17,536 - Can I ask you, quickly, one thing? 191 00:09:17,536 --> 00:09:21,993 What do you think of all the people, you know, who complain? 192 00:09:21,993 --> 00:09:23,462 We are trying to prove that they are wrong. 193 00:09:23,543 --> 00:09:27,191 - Let this camera over there ... - Yes, of course, hold the camera down ... 194 00:09:27,660 --> 00:09:35,690 - So ... all these people claiming that animals are exploited, abused ... 195 00:09:35,699 --> 00:09:36,480 - Do you believe that? 196 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,781 - I do not. And I want to prove them wrong. 197 00:09:39,165 --> 00:09:40,560 - And how do we prove them wrong? 198 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,701 - What do you say to those who say "Hey, they live in small cages and ... 199 00:09:43,701 --> 00:09:46,038 ... And can not spread their wings and that sort of thing? 200 00:09:46,196 --> 00:09:50,425 - It is based on science, in studies. Several universities studying ... 201 00:09:50,612 --> 00:09:53,525 There resumes full of studies about animal welfare. 202 00:09:53,525 --> 00:09:56,880 - He is right. There, yes, CVs Whole on animal welfare. 203 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,673 But it seems being developed exactly because of the attention 204 00:10:01,673 --> 00:10:04,005 brought to light the problems about animal welfare. 205 00:10:04,044 --> 00:10:05,247 (James Serpell, PhD - Veterinary Department University of Pennsylvania) 206 00:10:05,275 --> 00:10:09,730 - The ability to feel pain is, probably something that 207 00:10:09,754 --> 00:10:13,703 arose early in evolution animal. 208 00:10:13,959 --> 00:10:17,914 - And be able to feel no pain bring together not a bit of the human being? 209 00:10:17,914 --> 00:10:20,337 - No not a bit. It is virtually universal 210 00:10:20,362 --> 00:10:22,799 in anything that has a nervous system. 211 00:10:23,043 --> 00:10:25,318 I then visited Dr. Marc Bekoff,. 212 00:10:25,318 --> 00:10:27,860 a recognized expert in feelings of animals. 213 00:10:28,196 --> 00:10:30,913 He lives in a corner of mountains of Colorado. 214 00:10:31,151 --> 00:10:33,336 - I get several of my lectures saying 215 00:10:33,361 --> 00:10:36,134 "Nobody here thinks Dogs do not feel joy. " 216 00:10:36,134 --> 00:10:39,524 And even at scientific meetings, no one disputes. 217 00:10:39,812 --> 00:10:43,149 No one in their right mind can think of that dogs do not feel joy, 218 00:10:43,265 --> 00:10:45,025 or chimpanzees do not grieve. 219 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,996 And neurobiology and ethology underlie it. 220 00:10:49,165 --> 00:10:53,261 - The limbic system of the brain that is supports the processing of emotions. 221 00:10:53,567 --> 00:10:57,748 - And all mammals have. The structure is practically the same, the 222 00:10:57,748 --> 00:10:59,615 as well as neurochemical. 223 00:10:59,653 --> 00:11:03,581 - So it seems that animals are able to experience physical sensations, 224 00:11:03,581 --> 00:11:06,191 They are able to experience emotions. - Ã-huh. 225 00:11:06,514 --> 00:11:11,048 - May not be as intense as in humans, these feelings, these emotions? 226 00:11:11,048 --> 00:11:16,470 - Perhaps even more intense. Because, e.g. I can rationalize my fears. 227 00:11:16,621 --> 00:11:20,638 - Animal emotions can be even more intense that human emotions. 228 00:11:20,882 --> 00:11:23,053 Because we could say that they They are not "filtered". 229 00:11:23,053 --> 00:11:26,085 - Human emotions guide our lifetime. 230 00:11:26,085 --> 00:11:27,645 - And intense emotions! - Yup. 231 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:29,866 - And that's what life is, in practice! - Right. 232 00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:32,734 - So what you're saying is that members of other species 233 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:37,771 experience even more intense emotions, perhaps the human. 234 00:11:38,535 --> 00:11:39,825 What does that mean? 235 00:11:39,825 --> 00:11:44,958 - It means, roughly, that we underestimated the extension of animal suffering. 236 00:11:45,241 --> 00:11:48,575 From an ethical bias, we need to give the benefit of the doubt. 237 00:11:48,805 --> 00:11:50,955 As would happen if the deparássemos 238 00:11:50,955 --> 00:11:56,230 to a human who we could not communicate. 239 00:11:56,300 --> 00:12:01,749 Most of the animals that ate lives in ordinary, large warehouses, 240 00:12:01,749 --> 00:12:05,944 they seem warehouses. Are no windows, then you can not see inside. 241 00:12:05,944 --> 00:12:10,394 And they contain thousands and thousands From animals. 242 00:12:11,516 --> 00:12:15,430 - I am an undercover investigator in disguise. My job is 243 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:18,458 document the conditions of factory farms. 244 00:12:18,458 --> 00:12:22,905 My identity is preserved because is disclosed, 245 00:12:22,905 --> 00:12:27,432 it's likely that I can not further investigate. 246 00:12:27,432 --> 00:12:31,696 Industry guidelines, university studies, 247 00:12:31,696 --> 00:12:33,958 magazines of the industry branch, 248 00:12:33,958 --> 00:12:36,253 They are quite clear about what are the standards. 249 00:12:36,253 --> 00:12:39,634 They tell you exactly how animals are treated. 250 00:12:40,095 --> 00:12:44,532 But until you see the footage, it is difficult to understand its meaning. 251 00:12:44,532 --> 00:12:47,037 I can show you these shooting these investigations so that 252 00:12:47,084 --> 00:12:51,160 when you are talking to the experts, you know what they are talking about. 253 00:12:51,721 --> 00:12:59,077 - What has changed more rapidly in Industrial farms are the farms. 254 00:12:59,889 --> 00:13:03,051 It has anything between 3 and 5 bird in a cage. 255 00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:08,063 Not enough space for anything. They really can not do anything. 256 00:13:08,063 --> 00:13:11,158 They are simply compressed ... that space. 257 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:14,401 His paws can be hurt by remain supported on the wire ever. 258 00:13:14,698 --> 00:13:16,947 - They are effectively in wires? - Yup. 259 00:13:16,947 --> 00:13:20,761 - And not really have way out of these cages? For how long? 260 00:13:20,761 --> 00:13:26,167 - The average life of a laying hen It is less than 2 years. 261 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:30,046 - Years in those cages? - Oh, yeah, yeah. 262 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,846 - They come from the incubators, wherein 50% are female, 263 00:13:33,846 --> 00:13:36,835 and are placed in the egg industry, and the other 50% will be killed, 264 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:38,658 because they do not have utility for the industry. 265 00:13:38,658 --> 00:13:43,121 I've seen reports that birds They are suffocated. 266 00:13:43,121 --> 00:13:48,108 Birds, these male chicks, being thrown alive into the trash, 267 00:13:48,147 --> 00:13:49,656 They are macerated, 268 00:13:49,656 --> 00:13:52,672 a rotary shaft, as a giant blender, 269 00:13:52,672 --> 00:13:54,703 spinning and just go playing there ... 270 00:13:55,043 --> 00:14:00,643 - Hard to believe ... that we ... We can do this with animals. 271 00:14:01,431 --> 00:14:06,883 - On some level, it is so ... implacavalmente insensitive. 272 00:14:06,883 --> 00:14:09,541 - I wanted to actually see some of these animals. 273 00:14:09,745 --> 00:14:14,058 Then we went to a sanctuary for animals rescued from factory farms. 274 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:16,413 But we had some problems to enter. 275 00:14:16,584 --> 00:14:18,508 - You are no longer familiar with gates than me? 276 00:14:18,508 --> 00:14:22,397 - I'm not familiar with this band. Standing with a ratchet. 277 00:14:22,814 --> 00:14:23,814 - Oh ok. 278 00:14:24,711 --> 00:14:27,364 - Here is very strained. Very tensioned to release. 279 00:14:27,364 --> 00:14:29,073 then we have to break here. 280 00:14:29,074 --> 00:14:29,393 - OK. 281 00:14:29,393 --> 00:14:32,851 - And ... I may have to call my father to learn how ... 282 00:14:33,116 --> 00:14:33,977 - You go? 283 00:14:34,235 --> 00:14:35,528 - These things are ... - No, no, no ... I think 284 00:14:35,528 --> 00:14:37,094 you are going by wrong side, Alana. 285 00:14:37,154 --> 00:14:38,443 - I think it's there, O. 286 00:14:38,723 --> 00:14:40,580 I think it's only unlock. 287 00:14:41,379 --> 00:14:42,392 - You're right. 288 00:14:42,536 --> 00:14:43,068 - IT IS! 289 00:14:43,655 --> 00:14:44,258 - Ah-ha! 290 00:14:44,329 --> 00:14:47,446 - Yeah, it was nice to think it probably we would have tipped that beam. 291 00:14:47,728 --> 00:14:50,492 - Each of the birds here ... (Terry Cummings - Animal Sanctuary Poplar Spring) 292 00:14:50,492 --> 00:14:52,958 has a name, it has a personality. 293 00:14:53,217 --> 00:14:56,623 And they are a lot like his personality. Some are shy, 294 00:14:56,623 --> 00:14:59,372 some like to be pampered, others like to be hugged. 295 00:14:59,372 --> 00:15:02,260 She lived a lifetime in battery cage. 296 00:15:02,260 --> 00:15:07,585 She is very sweet, eat in your hand. We give you some treats, like corn and grapes. 297 00:15:07,585 --> 00:15:11,728 - I asked to see a chicken that was created to be eaten and not to lay eggs. 298 00:15:12,747 --> 00:15:14,983 - She can not walk at all. 299 00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:18,970 She has a best friend, Silvia, here it is. 300 00:15:19,707 --> 00:15:21,726 - They like to do everything together. 301 00:15:22,546 --> 00:15:26,886 - She was whimpering a little because I took it and Sylvia was still in the barn. 302 00:15:27,346 --> 00:15:34,073 - Chickens: an account for over 95% of animals raised for food in the US. 303 00:15:34,242 --> 00:15:36,973 That means: more than 1 billion, 304 00:15:36,973 --> 00:15:39,406 ie billion 305 00:15:39,406 --> 00:15:44,375 in US factory farms, any time. 306 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:47,431 Thousands are kept in a single shed. 307 00:15:47,494 --> 00:15:51,693 - Because they are so numerous and so densely stocked, 308 00:15:51,693 --> 00:15:55,158 they tend to scratch on each other, to peck at each other. 309 00:15:55,317 --> 00:15:58,317 They were selected to eat lots of food and lots 310 00:15:58,341 --> 00:15:59,447 and swallow it as fast, 311 00:15:59,447 --> 00:16:02,238 they get fat so extremely fast. 312 00:16:02,238 --> 00:16:05,905 Essentially, they fatten well before their bones are fully hardened. 313 00:16:05,905 --> 00:16:08,251 They are still very young, They have soft bones. 314 00:16:08,450 --> 00:16:13,147 And what happens then is that while the joints of the bones come together, 315 00:16:13,147 --> 00:16:16,242 It has fracture, arthritis, osteoarthritis. 316 00:16:16,428 --> 00:16:19,743 The birds become lame, each time more lame progressively 317 00:16:19,743 --> 00:16:21,748 until, occasionally, some not You can even walk. 318 00:16:21,748 --> 00:16:25,335 - And why they are lame? Why is it painful? 319 00:16:25,335 --> 00:16:26,772 - Because of the pain in the joints, yes. 320 00:16:26,772 --> 00:16:30,311 Some can even walk. Just sit on the floor. 321 00:16:30,311 --> 00:16:31,169 - Just because ... 322 00:16:31,525 --> 00:16:32,687 - Pain. 323 00:16:32,921 --> 00:16:37,486 - I thought so myself, if they can feel physical pain, like us, 324 00:16:37,486 --> 00:16:42,046 like to be in pain all the time? 325 00:16:44,155 --> 00:16:48,190 - My neck and my back They are broken in several places. 326 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:53,039 the left hip was displaced fitting, 327 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:58,437 and perhaps the nerves that area shrunk, literally. 328 00:17:00,037 --> 00:17:01,619 - This is my father. 329 00:17:01,619 --> 00:17:06,019 He was injured for years. But always He refuses to talk about it. 330 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:07,454 So far. 331 00:17:07,454 --> 00:17:13,093 - I feel pain in both feet, as if they They were being milled. 332 00:17:14,770 --> 00:17:19,222 I feel pain in all my fingers left hand. 333 00:17:20,801 --> 00:17:24,635 And that leads me to squeeze them constamente, to try to scare away the pain. 334 00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,267 I have pain in the lower back 335 00:17:28,267 --> 00:17:30,904 as if being pushed against the wall, 336 00:17:30,904 --> 00:17:33,986 If all those years not had passed, 337 00:17:33,986 --> 00:17:39,117 and I suddenly felt these pains, I would be screaming, 338 00:17:39,118 --> 00:17:43,638 like when you cut your finger: feels terrible pain, aluciante, 339 00:17:43,638 --> 00:17:48,504 the world just disappears if you It has a cut on the little finger. 340 00:17:48,504 --> 00:17:50,319 And it's a little cut, very small, 341 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,867 in a matter of moments, It's nothing. 342 00:17:53,085 --> 00:17:56,852 But the moment you feel that pain, the world stops. 343 00:17:56,852 --> 00:18:01,387 What we have is that horrible pain. 344 00:18:01,387 --> 00:18:04,454 It is the only world, the only world that is. 345 00:18:04,504 --> 00:18:08,166 And it's all yours, you're stuck in it, and there is no one with you. 346 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:12,909 The problem is when you feel that kind indistinctly pain. 347 00:18:12,909 --> 00:18:14,509 And you can not escape. 348 00:18:14,577 --> 00:18:17,102 Begins to transform who you are. 349 00:18:17,102 --> 00:18:24,205 You begin to lose every point especially within us, 350 00:18:24,205 --> 00:18:27,492 that makes life worth living in living. 351 00:18:30,105 --> 00:18:31,982 - This building here is our sty. 352 00:18:31,982 --> 00:18:34,739 Pigs have a little pasture more than 16mil square meters, 353 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:35,682 where they can run, 354 00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:39,152 They have a great manger to wallow, 355 00:18:39,193 --> 00:18:40,453 They have hay to eat. 356 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:43,416 They are gray, like cows and horses are also. 357 00:18:45,006 --> 00:18:48,771 It is no coincidence that most these pigs come from North Carolina 358 00:18:48,771 --> 00:18:52,618 It has the highest concentration of farms hogs than any other place. 359 00:18:52,618 --> 00:18:56,461 But when I started researching the pig farms in that state, 360 00:18:56,461 --> 00:18:59,994 almost all were found environmental problems. 361 00:19:00,312 --> 00:19:02,731 As if something was crazy going on there. 362 00:19:02,731 --> 00:19:06,810 Then we took the road back and were, certainly, going to the right place. 363 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,275 - I find it a pig truck. 364 00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:18,766 - What you see here are all environmental impacts and studies done, 365 00:19:18,823 --> 00:19:20,299 related to the river. 366 00:19:21,071 --> 00:19:24,150 - I visited the office of the Foundation for Protection the Neuse River (Neuse Riverkeeper Foundation) 367 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:28,586 It was created to find the sources pollution of the Neuse River and others. 368 00:19:28,726 --> 00:19:32,126 One of the main people involved it is Rick Dove. 369 00:19:32,443 --> 00:19:35,227 - I spent 25 years in the US Navy. 370 00:19:35,354 --> 00:19:37,038 I am very proud of my military service. 371 00:19:37,038 --> 00:19:38,473 I was in Vietnam 2 times. 372 00:19:38,473 --> 00:19:40,349 - Another is Larry Baldwin. 373 00:19:40,496 --> 00:19:42,872 - I come from a ____ community. 374 00:19:42,872 --> 00:19:45,962 Then I had some knowledge of What happens to pigs. 375 00:19:45,962 --> 00:19:48,500 And as these things are done, so to speak. 376 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,154 But nothing is as what We have here in North Carolina. 377 00:19:52,342 --> 00:19:55,004 - Rick does not like people associate that concern 378 00:19:55,028 --> 00:19:59,020 with animals and the environment are a cause of the political left. 379 00:19:59,182 --> 00:20:01,668 - I am a Republican, a conservative. 380 00:20:01,715 --> 00:20:02,827 I believe in my country. 381 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:05,736 All wake up in the morning and eat your bacon, 382 00:20:05,946 --> 00:20:09,630 as if there were no problems in the world in the field. 383 00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:13,714 There is a big problem. Bacon has not been more established in family farms. 384 00:20:13,714 --> 00:20:15,490 They are made in factory farms. 385 00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:18,027 Where animals never see daylight. 386 00:20:18,027 --> 00:20:22,217 Where do they go from the size of a fist weight of 115 Kg for 5 months! 387 00:20:22,335 --> 00:20:24,675 If you take any road North Caroline, 388 00:20:24,675 --> 00:20:26,790 Anywhere East North Carolina, 389 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:31,373 Almost one after the other, you will see ranches, farms and pig farms, 390 00:20:31,373 --> 00:20:34,680 There will be containment buildings, there will be a huge pit, 391 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,151 what they call "pond". 392 00:20:36,151 --> 00:20:38,921 There will be beautiful girls in swimsuits, Are those tanks! 393 00:20:38,921 --> 00:20:41,748 They give the name "lagoon" but they are tanks. 394 00:20:41,748 --> 00:20:45,050 They are full of animal waste untreated. 395 00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:49,379 The only treatment that it receives They are decanting the meat inside. 396 00:20:49,379 --> 00:20:53,109 When these tanks are full, they remove everything and spread, 397 00:20:53,109 --> 00:20:55,101 the air in the field. 398 00:20:55,101 --> 00:20:59,035 If you have a wind blowing, It will take you out of that place. 399 00:20:59,374 --> 00:21:01,636 Even when they spread by that field nearby, 400 00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:03,866 All those fields have ditches along them, 401 00:21:03,983 --> 00:21:07,990 to remove excess liquid, espraiar, 402 00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:10,987 and get him out, maintaining the drained field 403 00:21:10,987 --> 00:21:15,210 All this in ditches desenbocam rivers, wetlands, streams and creeks. 404 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,077 - There are people still in the area. 405 00:21:17,775 --> 00:21:20,908 Who have lived here all my life. They are afraid to enter the swamp. 406 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:24,209 They are afraid to get in touch by that, because they do not know if ... 407 00:21:24,323 --> 00:21:24,987 - They ... 408 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:26,745 - They do not touch that? 409 00:21:26,784 --> 00:21:29,215 - They do not want to be there, I do not want relar in water. 410 00:21:29,573 --> 00:21:32,830 - We have communities that are well close these facilities, 411 00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:34,434 wherein the groundwater It is contaminated. 412 00:21:34,778 --> 00:21:38,004 Can not drink it, may not remove water from their wells. 413 00:21:38,004 --> 00:21:39,665 - When it spreads in the field, 414 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:44,135 notes a mist on the ground, if there is any wind. 415 00:21:44,135 --> 00:21:46,378 You can see it go down the field 416 00:21:46,378 --> 00:21:49,001 and people living in these communities complain 417 00:21:49,001 --> 00:21:52,605 on this spray over them, about their homes, their cars ... 418 00:21:52,605 --> 00:21:53,049 - No! 419 00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:53,987 - Of course they complain! 420 00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:56,824 - We have problems with contaminants airborne, 421 00:21:56,824 --> 00:21:58,018 welcome these facilities. 422 00:21:58,018 --> 00:22:01,083 Wing Dr. Steven, University North Carolina, 423 00:22:01,083 --> 00:22:03,943 It is doing a study on some junior high schools ... 424 00:22:04,075 --> 00:22:06,791 - Children going to school (Steven Wing, PhD, UNC) 425 00:22:06,791 --> 00:22:08,954 in which the school team It is poured, 426 00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:13,032 where livestock prevails school construction 427 00:22:13,032 --> 00:22:15,498 two or more per month, check 428 00:22:15,498 --> 00:22:18,684 children ranging these schools 429 00:22:18,684 --> 00:22:25,775 had symptom prevalence rate Asthma 25% higher. 430 00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:27,011 Exactly what you will see. 431 00:22:27,011 --> 00:22:32,014 They also had more physician-diagnosed asthma. 432 00:22:32,014 --> 00:22:35,972 - If you really want to see what happens in Carolina and North Carolina, 433 00:22:35,972 --> 00:22:40,936 you have to get on a plane, 1000 feet, flying over farms. 434 00:22:41,075 --> 00:22:43,894 - Left hand here, step on the black area of ​​the wing. 435 00:22:44,602 --> 00:22:45,602 - OK, I got it. 436 00:22:46,196 --> 00:22:47,730 - Can I sit up? 437 00:22:49,028 --> 00:22:50,495 - If you want to fly ... 438 00:22:51,384 --> 00:22:52,907 - I will follow through here ... 439 00:22:52,907 --> 00:22:53,907 - OK Alright. 440 00:22:55,595 --> 00:22:56,595 - Almost that... 441 00:22:56,967 --> 00:22:58,951 by the way, you stay with Mortgage also 442 00:22:59,469 --> 00:23:02,236 - A little shaky today a little wind today, so ... 443 00:23:03,158 --> 00:23:04,158 It will be a little uncomfortable. 444 00:23:05,437 --> 00:23:06,637 - Some pretzels? 445 00:23:13,293 --> 00:23:17,234 - What we are seeing now It is a typical farm of pigs. 446 00:23:17,234 --> 00:23:19,406 - These pools can be of the size of a football field 447 00:23:19,406 --> 00:23:21,962 They can count million liters waste 448 00:23:21,962 --> 00:23:22,962 449 00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:30,639 - Hey, Dennis, are espreiando right there, right in the way. 450 00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:35,168 - What about people's homes, the cloud. 451 00:23:35,856 --> 00:23:36,949 - And people know this? 452 00:23:37,385 --> 00:23:39,875 - Uh ... Not exactly. 453 00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:41,882 - You know the best stories about what happens 454 00:23:41,907 --> 00:23:46,314 with people in the community They come from people in the community. 455 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:49,420 - I must talk to them? 456 00:23:49,445 --> 00:23:50,396 - That's what you should do. 457 00:23:50,443 --> 00:23:51,130 - To contact them? - IT IS! 458 00:23:51,193 --> 00:23:52,216 - Where is your well? 459 00:23:52,216 --> 00:23:53,624 - Just behind your car, 460 00:23:53,624 --> 00:23:57,160 that building made of wood, and also covered ... 461 00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:00,710 - That's where all your water come from? 462 00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:02,168 (Inaudible) 463 00:24:02,168 --> 00:24:04,439 - Less than 30 PD. 464 00:24:04,875 --> 00:24:07,149 - And they release in the field over there? 465 00:24:07,189 --> 00:24:11,549 - Okay, we are on the side of my field and I will show you how close they are. 466 00:24:12,636 --> 00:24:13,332 - We're close? 467 00:24:13,332 --> 00:24:16,499 - The things of them, the trinket them we arrive in ... 468 00:24:16,499 --> 00:24:18,176 I will come and show you ... 469 00:24:18,176 --> 00:24:20,471 - Why do they put these bushes here? And for... 470 00:24:20,471 --> 00:24:23,071 - Just to hide they are doing. 471 00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:24,877 - So are these businesses, these white trinket boxes that ... 472 00:24:24,877 --> 00:24:28,211 - These bats appear behind ... and they throw waste. 473 00:24:28,536 --> 00:24:30,609 - Launch waste to a 6m in both directions. 474 00:24:30,718 --> 00:24:32,209 - By air? - Yeah, the air 475 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,924 - Turn a fog? - That, a mist. 476 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,669 - What needs to be pumped, you know it. 477 00:24:37,492 --> 00:24:39,405 And the wind come against you 478 00:24:39,405 --> 00:24:43,514 for to understand ... in Words can not really explain. 479 00:24:44,122 --> 00:24:45,255 - Come this way. 480 00:24:47,046 --> 00:24:51,136 - There are neighbors practicing target shooting here, come here. 481 00:24:54,636 --> 00:24:56,567 - Hope you do not connect it. - IT IS ! 482 00:24:56,598 --> 00:24:57,317 - Take care. 483 00:24:59,475 --> 00:25:00,475 - Look at this... 484 00:25:02,754 --> 00:25:03,317 - Oh! 485 00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,771 - I do not think we can get much closer. There is a fence. 486 00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:12,628 - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10! 10 Buildings. 487 00:25:12,686 --> 00:25:15,242 - My father is bedridden right here, behind me... 488 00:25:15,242 --> 00:25:18,935 - His father, Julien, He is dying of cancer. 489 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:22,238 - And you can not leave the house. Never. 490 00:25:23,224 --> 00:25:26,554 - I hope we never see another pig ... 491 00:25:27,186 --> 00:25:28,186 or a pig farm. 492 00:25:29,531 --> 00:25:32,676 Because I can not breathe, I can not do anything. 493 00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:38,154 If you go down there and happen catch a fish, you know what flavor it? 494 00:25:39,766 --> 00:25:41,494 It is no longer a fish. 495 00:25:42,613 --> 00:25:44,984 You are ... eating shit. 496 00:25:46,069 --> 00:25:48,954 There were many times I fell out there ... 497 00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:55,649 - You walked out there and fell, just because of the smell? 498 00:25:55,688 --> 00:25:56,387 - Yup! 499 00:25:56,867 --> 00:25:59,261 - If you can not breathe, what can you do? 500 00:25:59,484 --> 00:26:03,965 When you work a lifetime and not You can go out and do anything, 501 00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:04,922 It is unfortunate! 502 00:26:06,088 --> 00:26:08,952 - Just for a piece of meat. 503 00:26:09,336 --> 00:26:12,631 - One day, I drove my Production of pigs 504 00:26:12,631 --> 00:26:18,719 and stopped at a shop where we used buy sandwiches ... 505 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:22,802 - Don Web had a pig farm. But chose to close it. 506 00:26:23,201 --> 00:26:26,653 - The waste air between us, we had to inhale that stinky stuff, 507 00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:30,942 they may have taken too man here, but not very human. 508 00:26:31,035 --> 00:26:35,160 - The pork industry wants people think they are the owners 509 00:26:35,185 --> 00:26:37,382 Happy farms, farms of "SEO John." 510 00:26:37,382 --> 00:26:41,032 And they are old-fashioned farms. 511 00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:43,194 But better late than never, the truth, 512 00:26:43,194 --> 00:26:50,407 Small farms have not used 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20 thousand piglets at one point. 513 00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:55,228 - And that comes from the tanks, which come that operation with pigs behind. 514 00:26:55,542 --> 00:26:57,801 - Are espreiando ... - What are espreiando? 515 00:26:57,801 --> 00:27:00,757 - Feces and urine pork coming from the tanks. 516 00:27:03,041 --> 00:27:07,497 - I am an American, I am not a Democrat, I am not a Republican: I am an American! 517 00:27:07,602 --> 00:27:10,080 And the US has priority, not a political party. 518 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,426 nor a $ 1 bill. 519 00:27:11,426 --> 00:27:11,426 520 00:27:11,426 --> 00:27:15,982 People in the US, descência and honor, we have to warn each other, 521 00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:18,428 that pollute my stream, 522 00:27:18,428 --> 00:27:20,559 pollute my water, 523 00:27:20,761 --> 00:27:23,589 to do stink my air it's wrong! 524 00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:25,787 - ________ They are your sources? 525 00:27:25,787 --> 00:27:30,270 They are a stinking pile so many American homes with 526 00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:33,651 with feces and urine sheds corporate clubs. 527 00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:35,347 - It happens all over the country. 528 00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:41,651 And not only with pigs, they are with chickens, turkeys, cattle, dairy, ... 529 00:27:41,651 --> 00:27:43,722 these are all based industries in cattle, 530 00:27:43,722 --> 00:27:46,304 this industry abutting and fattening animals. 531 00:27:46,375 --> 00:27:47,375 They are there. 532 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,386 And what's out there, I see, It is criminal. 533 00:27:55,075 --> 00:27:57,622 - As soon as someone can take mind that pigs 534 00:27:57,672 --> 00:28:00,113 They are as smart as dogs, 535 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,461 they have complex social life, in the wild, 536 00:28:02,461 --> 00:28:05,866 They form matriarchal groups permanent. 537 00:28:05,895 --> 00:28:09,682 These are created pigs for slaughter. 538 00:28:09,682 --> 00:28:12,215 ... For flesh, bacon, What it will be. 539 00:28:12,848 --> 00:28:18,598 Some individuals begin to chew or eat the tails of others. 540 00:28:18,598 --> 00:28:21,187 In the wild, this It never happens. 541 00:28:21,187 --> 00:28:27,026 If you cut the tail, reduces occurrence of this behavior. 542 00:28:27,026 --> 00:28:31,283 So if cut pig tail when it is no more than a puppy. 543 00:28:31,283 --> 00:28:37,290 Castration is another mutilations standard that happen everywhere. 544 00:28:38,006 --> 00:28:42,239 In pigs, it is done without anesthetic. They ... 545 00:28:42,239 --> 00:28:46,867 They basically use a scalpel and to tear open 546 00:28:47,246 --> 00:28:50,046 the testes are removed, physically. 547 00:28:50,306 --> 00:28:51,528 The pig screams. 548 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,769 I mean, when are screams galore being castrated 549 00:28:58,995 --> 00:29:01,808 - I would not do that with dogs, which also castrate, 550 00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:04,605 always with anesthetic. 551 00:29:04,689 --> 00:29:06,241 -The Things start to change. 552 00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:10,458 But while this film is released, million parent nuts 553 00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:13,771 that they were used to bring the pigs we use for food 554 00:29:13,771 --> 00:29:16,134 They passed her pregnancy 4 months 555 00:29:16,134 --> 00:29:19,612 in cages 2m x 0.6m. 556 00:29:19,612 --> 00:29:21,935 They are named after "gestation crates." 557 00:29:22,226 --> 00:29:25,346 - It is essentially cloistered all the time. 558 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:29,467 There, she can get up and lie down. But can not get around. 559 00:29:29,467 --> 00:29:32,936 The animals will becoming less and less sensitive 560 00:29:32,936 --> 00:29:34,451 to environmental stimuli. 561 00:29:34,451 --> 00:29:37,705 It seems even if they quit. They do not call anymore. 562 00:29:37,705 --> 00:29:41,298 It looks the same behavior catatonic people 563 00:29:41,298 --> 00:29:43,770 with very severe depression. 564 00:29:43,891 --> 00:29:49,396 It is certainly much stronger and intense than it would with a human. 565 00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:51,627 - This is Sarah Friday, for the New Yorker, 566 00:29:51,652 --> 00:29:53,877 (Daphne Merkin) and now I write for the magazine 567 00:29:53,902 --> 00:29:55,069 the Sunday Times. 568 00:29:55,069 --> 00:29:57,577 Last month of May, I wrote a long article 569 00:29:57,577 --> 00:30:02,033 about being hospitalized for depression and experience from that. 570 00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:06,823 I was in the building, Depression of the unit. 571 00:30:07,543 --> 00:30:11,162 I would say that sorrow is more tolerable, as an emotion. 572 00:30:11,916 --> 00:30:13,630 I think it's more ... 573 00:30:15,131 --> 00:30:17,407 Much more hopeless. 574 00:30:17,845 --> 00:30:20,116 I do not think anyone is in severe depression 575 00:30:20,116 --> 00:30:21,122 for 2 years. 576 00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:22,705 Just do not think. 577 00:30:23,427 --> 00:30:24,575 - You could not? 578 00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:28,248 - My feeling is you would not support ... 579 00:30:28,602 --> 00:30:30,390 Not if it is severe, severe. 580 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:31,900 - How would you know? 581 00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:33,096 - I think that kills you. 582 00:30:34,654 --> 00:30:37,284 - They are less locked when out to pasture? 583 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:37,976 - Ah yes! 584 00:30:38,284 --> 00:30:40,555 - They have friends and ... 585 00:30:40,555 --> 00:30:44,296 - And I have special friends, particular with each other? 586 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,114 - Yes. For example, often animals arriving together, 587 00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,613 They tend to stay together for life. 588 00:30:51,074 --> 00:30:56,163 - When a die of cows is really very painful for everyone. 589 00:30:56,163 --> 00:30:58,361 They lament, friends. They're friends! 590 00:30:58,361 --> 00:31:01,817 - And the cows that spend their time with specific cows 591 00:31:01,817 --> 00:31:03,585 veil, mourn for that cow? - Yup. 592 00:31:03,771 --> 00:31:07,569 - It is found that the cattle raised for meat It seems to suffer less abuse. 593 00:31:07,631 --> 00:31:10,734 They spend the first half of its life on a ranch. 594 00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:13,711 Nevertheless, also undergo painful mutilations. 595 00:31:13,711 --> 00:31:16,883 - Never witnessed castration in bulls. 596 00:31:16,883 --> 00:31:20,184 Not exactly how it's done, which procedure involved. 597 00:31:20,345 --> 00:31:22,656 - Presumably you're lucky. - HaHa! Yup! 598 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,698 - The bulls will be transported by containment corridors 599 00:31:24,698 --> 00:31:26,517 and are fed with grain that their stomachs 600 00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:28,290 They are not prepared to digest. 601 00:31:29,166 --> 00:31:32,645 (Dairy Cattle Farm Of Southern California) 602 00:31:37,526 --> 00:31:39,605 - Matrix factory farms. 603 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:42,545 - Good... 604 00:31:43,251 --> 00:31:48,097 It seems that the front bays are empty but those behind are full. 605 00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:50,266 Hello how are you? 606 00:31:50,266 --> 00:31:51,482 - Good. - Good! 607 00:31:51,829 --> 00:31:53,695 - Hi, my name is Mark. 608 00:31:53,695 --> 00:31:55,196 - Ah okay, off there. 609 00:31:55,196 --> 00:31:58,523 - Tava wondering if someone could talk about the activity here ... 610 00:31:58,523 --> 00:32:00,256 I would not know who's here, but ... 611 00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:02,269 - No one? 612 00:32:02,902 --> 00:32:04,852 - I do not do those things here. 613 00:32:05,136 --> 00:32:07,527 - Is there any reason? You just It is not in the mood or ... 614 00:32:07,527 --> 00:32:09,084 - It's something we do not. 615 00:32:09,308 --> 00:32:09,851 - Uh ... 616 00:32:10,574 --> 00:32:12,073 - They tried to shoot before? 617 00:32:12,348 --> 00:32:13,415 - Yes, they tried. 618 00:32:14,042 --> 00:32:16,939 - (________ Some or you Decided it)? - IT IS... 619 00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:19,830 - Do you know... - But ... ah! 620 00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:22,724 There is a large percentage of dairy cows that are 621 00:32:22,724 --> 00:32:25,535 in virtual confinement and not grow in the pasture, in any way. 622 00:32:25,545 --> 00:32:26,406 (Temple Grandin, PhD - Department Science. Animal - University of Colorado) 623 00:32:26,431 --> 00:32:28,227 And then I see a lot of trouble with well-being. 624 00:32:28,252 --> 00:32:29,381 One is limp. 625 00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:32,056 The incidence in the dairy herd National is 24%. 626 00:32:32,056 --> 00:32:33,842 - Lameness, I mean they, they do not ... 627 00:32:33,842 --> 00:32:36,745 - They are lame, you know. With walking difficulties. 628 00:32:36,745 --> 00:32:38,531 Wounds in the feet, legs. 629 00:32:38,531 --> 00:32:41,017 And, you know, they walk but they will limping. 630 00:32:41,313 --> 00:32:45,505 - Even worse, I discovered that many of them They can not walk at all 631 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,081 when it comes time to slaughter. 632 00:32:47,081 --> 00:32:51,174 Because of the high levels of stress Physical lifelong. 633 00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:55,425 There are numerous suffering from very painful infection in the breast. 634 00:32:55,425 --> 00:32:57,121 It mastitis. 635 00:32:57,121 --> 00:32:59,551 One symptom of mastitis is 636 00:32:59,551 --> 00:33:01,926 pus and blood coming out in milk. 637 00:33:02,112 --> 00:33:05,569 - The link between mothers and their children It's very strong. 638 00:33:05,569 --> 00:33:07,674 Not only in humans, but in all mammals. 639 00:33:07,674 --> 00:33:10,728 To keep that milk production, you have to let her have a cow, 640 00:33:10,753 --> 00:33:11,520 from time to time. 641 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,314 And let's not let her caring the calf - because we want milk. 642 00:33:14,347 --> 00:33:15,909 Then the calf is taken away. 643 00:33:16,116 --> 00:33:17,799 Shortly after it was born. 644 00:33:18,179 --> 00:33:19,354 AND... 645 00:33:19,354 --> 00:33:21,923 this causes a big cow lasting anguish 646 00:33:21,923 --> 00:33:24,606 The obstacle is a calf gate. Gate of anguish. 647 00:33:24,606 --> 00:33:28,279 Sometimes the calf is placed in a kind of kennel, 648 00:33:28,606 --> 00:33:30,499 somewhere near the mother. 649 00:33:30,825 --> 00:33:32,781 And the mother can hear the calf calling. 650 00:33:32,781 --> 00:33:36,817 And the cows call the calves. 651 00:33:37,148 --> 00:33:39,518 It is a back-and-forth. 652 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,985 It's quite distressing to hear, as a matter of fact. 653 00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,264 - Have you heard? - Ah yes. Ah yes. 654 00:33:45,686 --> 00:33:47,394 - Many activist groups for animals 655 00:33:47,394 --> 00:33:51,876 They pressed for major renovations. And major reforms took place. 656 00:33:52,249 --> 00:33:55,001 - Well, it was time to revisit PETA. 657 00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:56,717 As we begin to PETA, 658 00:33:56,717 --> 00:34:00,538 I think I never imagined sit in a meeting room 659 00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:03,967 a large company animal production. 660 00:34:04,219 --> 00:34:07,160 Or raise questions before shareholders decisions. 661 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,889 But of course, because we did that, this persuasion and pressure, 662 00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:12,742 what we call "PETA-push" 663 00:34:12,742 --> 00:34:15,241 we noticed big changes. 664 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:17,708 - Also I went back to speak to Bruce. 665 00:34:17,882 --> 00:34:20,899 He's taking a few years to teaching in a public school, 666 00:34:20,899 --> 00:34:23,360 while doing his master's degree in Johns Hospkins. 667 00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:25,131 (Bruce Friedrich - PETA) - When we campaign against 668 00:34:25,131 --> 00:34:28,728 the MCDonalds and convinced the change of stance on 669 00:34:28,728 --> 00:34:30,159 the slaughter of chickens, 670 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,672 to reduce the number of animals They are fully aware, 671 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:38,968 they went into the field and made them go the industrial average of 8 - 672 00:34:38,968 --> 00:34:43,235 and some cages had up to 11 birds - for up to 5 birds. 673 00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:48,507 - It's still disgusting, like chickens, pigs and turkeys are treated, but 674 00:34:48,507 --> 00:34:50,150 great changes have happened. 675 00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:53,695 - We are here at headquarters US Humane Society, 676 00:34:53,695 --> 00:34:55,286 in Gathesburg, Maryland. 677 00:34:55,286 --> 00:34:57,070 - It is a beautiful headquarters. 678 00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:57,970 - Thank you. 679 00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,362 (Paul Shapiro) - The Humane Society of the United States 680 00:35:00,362 --> 00:35:02,027 It is the greatest protection association World Animal. 681 00:35:02,027 --> 00:35:05,087 The vast majority of animals is exploited by humans. 682 00:35:05,087 --> 00:35:06,749 Some of them are created to They are food. 683 00:35:06,749 --> 00:35:11,181 And we believe very much in their suffering, trying to banish some of the practices 684 00:35:11,181 --> 00:35:15,388 most inhumane and cruel against those animals confined. 685 00:35:15,493 --> 00:35:19,625 - I am a partner at Cooper Law Firm, a very large law firm, 686 00:35:19,625 --> 00:35:21,528 (David Wolfson) with about 500 lawyers, 687 00:35:21,528 --> 00:35:22,744 on Wall Street. 688 00:35:22,743 --> 00:35:24,569 I care for major acquisitions. 689 00:35:24,569 --> 00:35:27,812 It's my day-to-day. 690 00:35:27,812 --> 00:35:30,604 At the same time, I 691 00:35:30,605 --> 00:35:31,799 voluntary professional work. 692 00:35:31,824 --> 00:35:35,756 Then represent animal sanctuaries and other animal protection groups, 693 00:35:35,756 --> 00:35:39,738 in the protection area for animals farm, specifically. 694 00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:42,201 Also education laws about animals New York University 695 00:35:42,201 --> 00:35:43,835 and Columbia Law School. And I write. 696 00:35:43,835 --> 00:35:45,618 So it's a combination of different things. 697 00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:47,920 - That's it? - Yeah, that's it. 698 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,837 - You are one of the few people behind 699 00:35:50,837 --> 00:35:53,619 of the first major changes 700 00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:56,396 for animal factory farms. - Yup. 701 00:35:56,396 --> 00:35:57,881 - Yes it's true. 702 00:35:57,881 --> 00:36:00,767 - In the early 2000s, in 2002 703 00:36:00,767 --> 00:36:03,948 the state of Florida banned gestation crates. 704 00:36:03,948 --> 00:36:08,384 In 2006, the state of Arizona has banned the crate gestation and veal. 705 00:36:08,384 --> 00:36:13,206 In 2008, in California, they banned the two and battery cages. 706 00:36:13,206 --> 00:36:16,691 I think it's always exciting be present when 707 00:36:16,722 --> 00:36:20,103 a significant movement social justice begins. 708 00:36:20,253 --> 00:36:22,696 - Compared with the previous decade, 709 00:36:22,696 --> 00:36:25,726 this last decade had great changes in terms of animals 710 00:36:25,726 --> 00:36:29,683 farm gain gradually new protections that until then had not. 711 00:36:29,683 --> 00:36:32,126 Admitting that we still have a long road ahead. 712 00:36:32,126 --> 00:36:35,660 - But the industry is also doing something else ... 713 00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:39,064 - Any group that is effective address the industry, 714 00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:43,061 and PETA is coming together in 5 different industries, at least. 715 00:36:43,061 --> 00:36:45,340 will lead buckshot. 716 00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:48,942 These industries will, in fact, by any means necessary, 717 00:36:48,942 --> 00:36:52,292 trying to overthrow you, attack you, challenge your role. 718 00:36:52,292 --> 00:36:55,892 And they have front groups, who do this for them. 719 00:36:56,037 --> 00:36:58,897 - He seemed to assume that I knew who were "front groups" and 720 00:36:58,981 --> 00:37:00,660 so I did not ask. 721 00:37:01,029 --> 00:37:01,832 - For him. 722 00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,535 - What are these "front groups"? What is all this? 723 00:37:04,582 --> 00:37:05,405 (Melanie Sloan - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Whashington) 724 00:37:05,405 --> 00:37:10,262 - A "front group" is formed by corporate interests 725 00:37:10,261 --> 00:37:14,365 not wanting to be associated with ideals that the "front group" promotes. 726 00:37:14,365 --> 00:37:18,196 There are charities or social assistance who do not have 727 00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:19,524 to reveal who their donors. 728 00:37:19,549 --> 00:37:24,938 Generally, they will use ads and websites evil, aggressive. 729 00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:29,023 The pig industry will almost always fight back, but not advocating the cages, 730 00:37:29,023 --> 00:37:33,850 but paying front groups to attack the Humane Society. 731 00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:35,492 - Deliberademente, lead people to believe that 732 00:37:35,517 --> 00:37:38,766 that group is engaged in a Because it is not. 733 00:37:38,828 --> 00:37:41,584 - For example, "they are not using their funds properly ", or 734 00:37:41,584 --> 00:37:44,151 "There is a real interest behind it all "... 735 00:37:44,151 --> 00:37:46,612 - From a small error in one area, will 736 00:37:46,637 --> 00:37:49,018 use that to try undermine the credibility 737 00:37:49,018 --> 00:37:50,859 the organization in any matter. 738 00:37:50,912 --> 00:37:53,330 - Use name calling, ... - "Radicals"? 739 00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:55,695 - "That group is hardcore, extremist " 740 00:37:55,712 --> 00:37:58,365 - Go to suggest that you are wrong: "Oh, just complain," or 741 00:37:58,365 --> 00:37:59,282 "just cry." 742 00:37:59,390 --> 00:38:04,155 - You'll see groups being called hypocrites, or, 743 00:38:04,155 --> 00:38:06,199 It is called ... 744 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:09,420 Ah ... ah I do not know what else can call. 745 00:38:09,512 --> 00:38:12,114 - So go to the public website that industry 746 00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:14,624 and see how they respond criticism of. 747 00:38:14,766 --> 00:38:17,020 In most cases, people have to be skeptical when 748 00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,263 see ads like these, 749 00:38:19,263 --> 00:38:22,336 it's likely that there is a big business behind it .... 750 00:38:22,391 --> 00:38:26,925 You have to think about which sector might wish to promote 751 00:38:26,937 --> 00:38:30,454 this opinion and does not want you to know. It is up to you. 752 00:38:30,454 --> 00:38:33,551 - That got me to thinking: "And if you could go back?" 753 00:38:33,551 --> 00:38:36,632 Back to the past and talk with these people 754 00:38:36,632 --> 00:38:38,535 before you have to made female farmers. 755 00:38:40,555 --> 00:38:42,488 - Well, there's a place for everything. 756 00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:45,201 The "Convention for the Future US farmers " 757 00:38:45,201 --> 00:38:46,931 in Indianapolis, Indiana. 758 00:38:47,202 --> 00:38:49,535 For people who are female farmers. 759 00:38:50,249 --> 00:38:51,249 In the future. 760 00:38:51,752 --> 00:38:54,203 - Imitate a chicken! 761 00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:01,658 - That Chicken! - Uh-hul! 762 00:39:01,786 --> 00:39:05,287 The FFA goes well beyond "Future Farmers" 763 00:39:05,581 --> 00:39:08,322 But there was still more than enough at present. 764 00:39:08,676 --> 00:39:10,492 - Why, I say, if you think this is cruel? 765 00:39:10,661 --> 00:39:14,102 ... We have 9000 pigs in 2 buildings ... 766 00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:18,554 there is something like ... 100 pigs per pen? 767 00:39:19,165 --> 00:39:23,745 But if not ... and if it was good for pigs, 768 00:39:23,745 --> 00:39:25,519 They would not be doing it. 769 00:39:25,582 --> 00:39:27,771 - And that "my pig feeds your model student "? 770 00:39:27,771 --> 00:39:29,274 - Is it really feeds. 771 00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:34,744 - ... As the cage of gestation, who were banned in California and ... 772 00:39:34,744 --> 00:39:37,102 Do you have any thoughts on this? 773 00:39:37,102 --> 00:39:40,352 - I do not like, specifically .... 774 00:39:40,352 --> 00:39:43,303 it's all aimed at money, when you call for it. 775 00:39:43,303 --> 00:39:48,164 and ... it costs more than you give ... so not worth it to have. 776 00:39:48,456 --> 00:39:50,486 - So ... I thought I had one view all 777 00:39:50,486 --> 00:39:52,697 and was to follow trip when Bruce 778 00:39:52,697 --> 00:39:54,431 He said something quite unexpected. 779 00:39:54,953 --> 00:39:58,685 - When you get this idea "I can do that to you, 780 00:39:58,685 --> 00:40:00,319 then I'll do it with you " 781 00:40:00,319 --> 00:40:03,377 the peak of this form of "superiority" 782 00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:08,221 the peak of this form of racism It is speciesism. 783 00:40:08,577 --> 00:40:09,577 - Wait. 784 00:40:11,112 --> 00:40:12,379 (spec-ism) - What? 785 00:40:12,551 --> 00:40:15,961 - It seems that there is much more going on behind it all ... 786 00:40:16,131 --> 00:40:18,832 There is a philosophical question much deeper. 787 00:40:20,822 --> 00:40:23,052 - I went to Raleigh, North Carolina. 788 00:40:23,632 --> 00:40:25,919 - Earth's largest nut in the world. 789 00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:29,150 - What do you think of it? - It is beautiful! 790 00:40:29,837 --> 00:40:32,704 - And also Dr. Tom Regan earth, 791 00:40:32,704 --> 00:40:34,390 author of the influential book 792 00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:35,934 "The case for animal rights." 793 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:40,544 Back in New York, I spoke to Dale Jameson, 794 00:40:40,544 --> 00:40:44,526 director of the Center for Environmental Studies, the University of New York. 795 00:40:46,412 --> 00:40:50,121 - Then I went to Whashington, talk to David DeGrazia, 796 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,703 Professor in the Department. Philosophy George Washington University. 797 00:40:55,016 --> 00:40:58,133 Also went to "New York Ethics" talk with Sheryl Cole, 798 00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,136 teacher in college Right Cornell. 799 00:41:01,346 --> 00:41:04,500 And the New Jersey, New York, talk to Gary Francione, 800 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:06,697 professor at the College Right to Rutger. 801 00:41:08,187 --> 00:41:10,611 - If we think of that and more 802 00:41:10,611 --> 00:41:13,303 clear and certain in Ethics, 803 00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,970 which basic ideas 804 00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:18,748 They are accepted in all moral systems, 805 00:41:18,748 --> 00:41:22,427 regardless of their major differences, 806 00:41:22,427 --> 00:41:26,049 It is that we must not hurt people without a very good reason. 807 00:41:26,049 --> 00:41:27,879 - There is a principle in damage basically states 808 00:41:27,879 --> 00:41:31,226 that everything else being equal, it is wrong to cause damage. 809 00:41:31,226 --> 00:41:35,616 - Is Speciesism using species. 810 00:41:35,616 --> 00:41:38,593 Delete some of the beings moral community. 811 00:41:38,593 --> 00:41:42,730 Beings who are, in a relevant way, Similar to members of the moral community. 812 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:46,877 And this exclusion is based only in species. 813 00:41:46,876 --> 00:41:48,981 It's like racism or sexism in that has 814 00:41:48,982 --> 00:41:52,586 relevantly similar individuals, some a moral communion, 815 00:41:52,585 --> 00:41:55,649 and others are excluded grounds of race or sex. 816 00:41:55,649 --> 00:41:58,798 - Speciesism, as I understand, is 817 00:41:58,798 --> 00:42:04,509 exclude members of other species our ... 818 00:42:04,509 --> 00:42:07,131 the field of moral concern. 819 00:42:07,131 --> 00:42:11,524 Just because these individuals are members of other species. 820 00:42:11,524 --> 00:42:15,621 - The main idea of ​​Speciesism is quite the same, it is analogous 821 00:42:15,621 --> 00:42:17,729 to that found in sexism and racism, 822 00:42:17,729 --> 00:42:21,729 where there is a prejudice in favor some, against each other. 823 00:42:22,846 --> 00:42:25,930 - Peter Singer is considered the founder of animal rights, 824 00:42:25,987 --> 00:42:29,580 by virtue of his 1975 book, "Animal Liberation". 825 00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,493 - There are many philosophy books a bit more significant in terms 826 00:42:33,493 --> 00:42:35,762 change world, changes in people. 827 00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:39,209 - It's almost impossible exaggerate its significance. 828 00:42:39,209 --> 00:42:42,520 - He is now Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University 829 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,951 and considered one of the philosophers most influential in the world, still alive. 830 00:42:46,275 --> 00:42:49,307 - I titled the first chapter Animal Liberation 831 00:42:49,307 --> 00:42:51,026 of "All animals they are the same" 832 00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:52,789 and what they meant by it was 833 00:42:52,789 --> 00:42:55,386 we should give them consideration equivalent 834 00:42:55,386 --> 00:42:56,441 on your interests. 835 00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:58,475 Whatever these their interests. 836 00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:02,048 That's not to say give them equal treatment, 837 00:43:02,048 --> 00:43:03,530 because they have diverse interests. 838 00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:05,336 By the time they have an interest, for example, 839 00:43:05,336 --> 00:43:07,443 of interest I do not feel pain, 840 00:43:07,443 --> 00:43:09,621 It should be irrelevant 841 00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:13,582 if they are members of a species homo sapiens, or 842 00:43:13,582 --> 00:43:18,306 Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee), or Galus domesticus (called hens) 843 00:43:18,306 --> 00:43:19,002 or whatever, 844 00:43:19,018 --> 00:43:21,862 what does this have to do with "how bad you feel pain? " 845 00:43:21,862 --> 00:43:25,489 - Obviously, there must be something wrong with their argument. 846 00:43:25,489 --> 00:43:29,666 So did my research and found all possible objections. 847 00:43:29,666 --> 00:43:33,132 - It's only natural that we use other animals? 848 00:43:34,322 --> 00:43:37,974 - Well, the problem with concept of "natural" 849 00:43:37,974 --> 00:43:41,546 It is that it means a lot, but many things even. 850 00:43:41,546 --> 00:43:44,246 - Maybe even war is natural, since there is an argument 851 00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:46,488 stating that war is natural to humans, 852 00:43:46,488 --> 00:43:48,079 we always did, 853 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,142 since the days when We got records. 854 00:43:50,142 --> 00:43:52,085 But that does not mean we We should not try to stop her. 855 00:43:52,085 --> 00:43:54,608 We have the cost of war, the suffering involved, 856 00:43:54,608 --> 00:43:57,110 and do the best to prevent wars. 857 00:43:57,181 --> 00:43:58,110 - Rape is perhaps natural. 858 00:43:58,824 --> 00:44:04,278 The rape for ... for men Strong can be natural, 859 00:44:04,278 --> 00:44:07,448 in some sense, and adapted Biologically for this. 860 00:44:07,448 --> 00:44:10,621 And, as seen in the world is less, It could be morally justified. 861 00:44:10,916 --> 00:44:14,734 - I could not find anyone who I think a way to put 862 00:44:14,734 --> 00:44:16,552 nature as an argument ethical. 863 00:44:16,552 --> 00:44:19,229 Then finally, I found someone. 864 00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:21,379 - Yes, we are still there. 865 00:44:21,379 --> 00:44:25,633 The SS never effectively died, and SS is still bearing fruit. 866 00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:31,418 When a man can take a country defeated, that is in shambles, 867 00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:33,168 and in less than 4 years 868 00:44:33,168 --> 00:44:36,960 turn it in one of the major powers that already existed, 869 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,509 we have, in spite of everything, look ahead and admit success. 870 00:44:42,928 --> 00:44:46,595 - Man giving this panorama 871 00:44:46,595 --> 00:44:48,223 is Lieutenant Schneider. 872 00:44:48,396 --> 00:44:52,062 An officer of high rank in US Nazi party. 873 00:44:53,931 --> 00:44:56,420 - Why should we follow the laws of nature? 874 00:44:57,527 --> 00:45:00,439 - Nature is smarter than we suppose. 875 00:45:00,439 --> 00:45:03,307 When we realize the Nature is much wiser than us. 876 00:45:03,307 --> 00:45:07,159 Any type of weed, I say, by the laws of nature 877 00:45:08,402 --> 00:45:10,109 It should be naturally 878 00:45:10,698 --> 00:45:13,490 repressed and you, permanently. 879 00:45:13,954 --> 00:45:16,803 - A trial for the second time in this country illegally, 880 00:45:17,049 --> 00:45:19,332 should ensure implementation immediate. 881 00:45:19,395 --> 00:45:21,430 - OK, I think it does not. 882 00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:24,518 But there must be something special on humans. 883 00:45:24,518 --> 00:45:25,378 I mean ... 884 00:45:25,648 --> 00:45:26,769 We are smarter ... 885 00:45:26,769 --> 00:45:29,442 - Well, at least most of of us are. 886 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:31,287 Babies are not. 887 00:45:32,065 --> 00:45:37,268 The mentally disabled of all ages are not. 888 00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:41,176 - If you can say that intelligence It is the foundation for 889 00:45:41,176 --> 00:45:42,996 inclusion in the moral community, 890 00:45:43,188 --> 00:45:46,510 and you can tell that primates non-human may be more 891 00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:47,369 intelligent than some humans - but 892 00:45:47,391 --> 00:45:50,045 they do not belong, as members, the moral community - 893 00:45:50,045 --> 00:45:52,138 and those humans belong - 894 00:45:52,705 --> 00:45:54,717 It sounds like a contradiction to me. 895 00:45:54,867 --> 00:45:56,825 - No, that does not account well. 896 00:45:56,825 --> 00:45:58,283 How about... 897 00:45:58,468 --> 00:46:02,723 - Animals have no sense of morality, so why should we include them in it? 898 00:46:02,983 --> 00:46:05,883 - Well, children do not have sense of morality ... 899 00:46:05,883 --> 00:46:07,478 - And do not speak of them. 900 00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:13,056 Babies and those who are seriously weakened. 901 00:46:13,056 --> 00:46:16,448 We do not say "we are released to do deliberately what 902 00:46:16,448 --> 00:46:18,806 we want with them. They must exist for us. " 903 00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:20,689 - Damn! They got me again! 904 00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:23,188 I began to get very desperate. 905 00:46:23,434 --> 00:46:25,588 - They seem completely different from us. 906 00:46:26,698 --> 00:46:30,292 - A different look not interests at all! 907 00:46:30,292 --> 00:46:32,480 - Can not be used as a argument against animal rights? 908 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,146 - Do not think so. 909 00:46:34,146 --> 00:46:37,076 I do not think the look I could care ... 910 00:46:37,076 --> 00:46:40,006 As well as the appearance of man-elephant is 911 00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,581 very different appearance of other human beings. 912 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,704 It has no relevance to their moral status. 913 00:46:45,929 --> 00:46:50,032 - If we try to say that human They have a specific quality 914 00:46:50,032 --> 00:46:53,690 What distinguishes them as superior, 915 00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:57,458 or worthy of higher moral consideration which, for example, pigs, 916 00:46:57,458 --> 00:47:02,603 I think we need to think about the fact that there 917 00:47:02,603 --> 00:47:06,045 members of our "human community" 918 00:47:06,045 --> 00:47:09,287 we believe they are entitled the formal consideration, but 919 00:47:09,287 --> 00:47:14,319 who do not have the quality we we find so important. 920 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,845 Or who have this quality to a certain degree 921 00:47:16,845 --> 00:47:20,761 comparable to an ordinary member other species such as a pig. 922 00:47:20,761 --> 00:47:22,247 Pigs are very intelligent. 923 00:47:22,354 --> 00:47:23,494 - What have we here? 924 00:47:23,494 --> 00:47:26,021 - Ham sandwich with radish, 925 00:47:26,095 --> 00:47:29,577 a little cheese and butter to help give a smeared. 926 00:47:31,103 --> 00:47:32,754 - It is a collective residence for 927 00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:35,294 - Do not call us Ba community - 928 00:47:35,294 --> 00:47:39,260 for people living with people with disabilities. 929 00:47:39,296 --> 00:47:41,619 - By knowing this place, I realized that, 930 00:47:41,619 --> 00:47:45,633 no matter what characteristic we We believe to be unique to humans, 931 00:47:45,633 --> 00:47:48,659 some level of intelligence, language, 932 00:47:48,659 --> 00:47:51,168 the ability to form a social agreement, 933 00:47:51,168 --> 00:47:53,384 to enter into agreements consensual, 934 00:47:53,384 --> 00:47:55,692 thinking and acting under ethical principles, 935 00:47:55,692 --> 00:47:57,764 No matter what criteria we us use to 936 00:47:57,764 --> 00:48:00,642 believe that our suffering is more important, 937 00:48:00,642 --> 00:48:04,815 there will always be some that human will not have that characteristic. 938 00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:08,650 And it's not that these people are included in the ethics behind the scenes, 939 00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:11,527 intruders around people that really matter, 940 00:48:11,527 --> 00:48:15,306 we believe that they matter, ethically themselves. 941 00:48:15,344 --> 00:48:17,688 - I wanted to say "But they are humans!". 942 00:48:17,735 --> 00:48:19,698 - But just let me justify 943 00:48:19,698 --> 00:48:22,610 trying to address the issue of belonging to a species, 944 00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:23,386 again. 945 00:48:23,657 --> 00:48:25,911 And the more I thought about this. 946 00:48:25,911 --> 00:48:28,091 As obvious as it may seem that 947 00:48:28,091 --> 00:48:32,683 Ethics has to do with those other characteristics first, 948 00:48:32,683 --> 00:48:36,522 this is why humans with disabilities are included in Ethics. 949 00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:40,601 What matters it had to be the characteristics that we share! 950 00:48:40,601 --> 00:48:41,934 - We share... 951 00:48:44,974 --> 00:48:47,033 the ability to rejoice, 952 00:48:47,271 --> 00:48:48,743 the ability of the enervarmos, 953 00:48:49,132 --> 00:48:51,461 sadness, fear, 954 00:48:52,011 --> 00:48:54,868 what are your resources true intellectual or ... 955 00:48:54,868 --> 00:48:57,408 make a difference, can be ... I think we all have ... 956 00:48:57,408 --> 00:49:00,491 shared some basic needs. 957 00:49:00,491 --> 00:49:04,264 - We all suffer, you know? We suffer in several ways. 958 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,366 I must be missing something obvious here 959 00:49:07,683 --> 00:49:09,926 - So I decided to get out of my thoughts 960 00:49:09,926 --> 00:49:11,568 and just ask around... 961 00:49:11,704 --> 00:49:14,464 - Do you think the suffering of humans is ethically 962 00:49:14,464 --> 00:49:16,610 that the suffering of animals? - Yup. 963 00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:20,317 - And what have humans that make the most important? 964 00:49:20,317 --> 00:49:25,321 - Ähmmm .. We have capabilities Higher ... 965 00:49:25,321 --> 00:49:26,953 - What do you mean with "higher capacities"? 966 00:49:26,953 --> 00:49:28,076 - Mental capacity. 967 00:49:28,076 --> 00:49:30,195 - Many humans do not have this capability. 968 00:49:30,195 --> 00:49:32,415 We do not have the intellectual capacity ... - Yes but 969 00:49:32,415 --> 00:49:33,751 - And we do not explore. 970 00:49:33,751 --> 00:49:34,612 - I know. 971 00:49:34,779 --> 00:49:36,573 - Humans have more value than animals. 972 00:49:36,921 --> 00:49:38,450 - Based on ... based on what? 973 00:49:39,336 --> 00:49:40,336 - Uh ... 974 00:49:42,906 --> 00:49:44,041 - I am a human being. 975 00:49:44,041 --> 00:49:47,383 - I can relate better with human than animal. 976 00:49:47,383 --> 00:49:50,653 - So if anyone else ... So It is because you are a member of this group? 977 00:49:51,117 --> 00:49:53,439 - So if someone comes and says "I'm white and then 978 00:49:53,439 --> 00:49:55,038 blacks are less important ": would this be ethical? 979 00:49:55,038 --> 00:49:56,084 - No. 980 00:49:56,084 --> 00:49:56,947 - So??? 981 00:49:58,007 --> 00:50:00,966 - No matter which color you It is, you are still a human being. 982 00:50:01,127 --> 00:50:04,472 - And what's so special "human beings"? 983 00:50:04,906 --> 00:50:08,223 Since he said the reason is you are a member of a group. 984 00:50:08,223 --> 00:50:09,223 985 00:50:11,278 --> 00:50:12,278 - Tsk ... 986 00:50:14,737 --> 00:50:20,752 - So far, our legal system only defends human. 987 00:50:20,752 --> 00:50:23,296 - Yes, but only up to a point advocated white men. 988 00:50:24,522 --> 00:50:27,122 - So the legal system is not the reason. 989 00:50:27,208 --> 00:50:28,341 - I mean... 990 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:32,862 is ... whatever ... Excuse me! 991 00:50:32,862 --> 00:50:34,714 - We can talk to us like humans, 992 00:50:34,714 --> 00:50:37,028 there are opinions ... and we can not talk to animals! 993 00:50:37,217 --> 00:50:39,070 - Many humans also They can not do that! 994 00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:43,320 There are many intellectual disabled. We must consider this Ethics. 995 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,054 So can be the base. 996 00:50:45,148 --> 00:50:46,419 - Teacher, we need to go ... - IT IS! 997 00:50:46,419 --> 00:50:48,819 - Concepts such as right or wrong... 998 00:50:48,862 --> 00:50:49,963 - Right or wrong! 999 00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:53,055 - Human, or most of them, They conceive it. 1000 00:50:53,208 --> 00:50:55,089 - Most? - IT IS! 1001 00:50:55,397 --> 00:50:58,812 - So those who do not ... they ... they are left out? 1002 00:50:58,812 --> 00:51:00,212 - What about the babies? 1003 00:51:00,269 --> 00:51:03,356 - It is, they may be less developed. 1004 00:51:03,357 --> 00:51:05,067 - They are less important, ethically ... 1005 00:51:05,161 --> 00:51:07,102 Their suffering is less important, ethically? 1006 00:51:07,102 --> 00:51:08,102 Babies? 1007 00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:11,259 - No, because they have a potential. - Ah okay. 1008 00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:13,652 - So humans with intellectual disabilities, 1009 00:51:13,652 --> 00:51:15,690 who have the potential, their suffering 1010 00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:17,850 It is less important? - No, it is no less important. 1011 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:21,307 - We formed societies, We interact around the world ... 1012 00:51:21,307 --> 00:51:24,029 - But not many humans They are capable of this ... 1013 00:51:24,029 --> 00:51:26,647 then this feature does not match 1014 00:51:26,647 --> 00:51:28,914 "I am a member of the human species." 1015 00:51:31,676 --> 00:51:36,410 - The suffering of the human species It is ethically wrong and ... I ... 1016 00:51:36,472 --> 00:51:37,528 - Because? 1017 00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:42,153 - Because I tend toward to my own kind. 1018 00:51:42,338 --> 00:51:44,133 - You are not biased relation to race well, is it? 1019 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,009 - No. 1020 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,689 - Just checking. 1021 00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:49,500 - I am multiracial, which race I could possibly ... 1022 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,377 - I mean, you do not seem to be multiracial and says he is inclined .... 1023 00:51:54,352 --> 00:51:57,001 something could be something more ... - I am inclined ... 1024 00:51:57,026 --> 00:51:59,098 - I just wanted to make sure you had nothing but that 1025 00:51:59,152 --> 00:52:00,150 just as the species. - IT IS... 1026 00:52:00,611 --> 00:52:01,546 - Just checking ... 1027 00:52:02,041 --> 00:52:07,975 - I can not find a logical reason for Speciesism. 1028 00:52:08,165 --> 00:52:12,565 - Why is it then that I just Speciesism feel that is justified? 1029 00:52:13,954 --> 00:52:16,287 - We are trained, very early, 1030 00:52:16,244 --> 00:52:19,276 to think things in this way. 1031 00:52:19,476 --> 00:52:22,073 - I refuse to believe that Speciesism is behind it all. 1032 00:52:22,073 --> 00:52:23,178 I refuse. 1033 00:52:23,878 --> 00:52:27,492 - And ... what do you mean? 1034 00:52:27,798 --> 00:52:30,211 You have to have some kind of argument? 1035 00:52:30,211 --> 00:52:32,523 - That this You may be right! 1036 00:52:32,785 --> 00:52:34,799 That would make the world as different. 1037 00:52:35,077 --> 00:52:37,884 That would make what We make to our animals 1038 00:52:37,884 --> 00:52:40,185 so significant ... - Right. 1039 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,564 - It's ... it's impossible ... that is the case, it is concluded ... 1040 00:52:44,626 --> 00:52:46,829 ... in the case that there must be something wrong. 1041 00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:52,661 - Put yourself in the position a slave in Virginia, 1042 00:52:52,661 --> 00:52:54,473 in, like, 1800. 1043 00:52:55,469 --> 00:52:58,260 - A person in that society, I could have said the same thing ... 1044 00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:01,140 someone who produce arguments stating that slavery was wrong. 1045 00:53:01,247 --> 00:53:04,249 - Some, for example, only They knew, 1046 00:53:04,296 --> 00:53:06,171 without explanations 1047 00:53:06,216 --> 00:53:08,674 that white people were higher than black. 1048 00:53:09,451 --> 00:53:11,015 Some people only they knew. 1049 00:53:11,341 --> 00:53:13,010 Without reasons. 1050 00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:15,736 A matter of intuition average, or average knowledge of that, 1051 00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:17,868 men are superior to women. 1052 00:53:17,868 --> 00:53:21,063 - In all these cases you have a dominant group, you know? 1053 00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:23,114 A group that holds power. 1054 00:53:23,114 --> 00:53:25,681 And who defines himself as superior. 1055 00:53:25,982 --> 00:53:28,313 And develops an ideology 1056 00:53:28,313 --> 00:53:31,097 to justify this and exclude others. 1057 00:53:31,153 --> 00:53:34,302 - If we were in 1820 and we had a discussion 1058 00:53:34,334 --> 00:53:35,888 about slavery, 1059 00:53:35,907 --> 00:53:38,766 there would be a consensus: 1060 00:53:38,924 --> 00:53:41,292 Slavery has always existed, 1061 00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:44,363 Slavery is the order natural things, 1062 00:53:44,363 --> 00:53:46,938 slavery is justified in the Bible, 1063 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:50,739 ... and that is slavery, hence moral. 1064 00:53:50,828 --> 00:53:54,854 Now, 190 years later, society has 1065 00:53:54,893 --> 00:53:58,693 diametrically view opposite of slavery. 1066 00:53:58,910 --> 00:54:01,527 What is relatively historically 1067 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:02,793 estralar one's fingers. 1068 00:54:02,792 --> 00:54:05,583 It is truly a short 200 years, 1069 00:54:05,583 --> 00:54:07,008 throughout history. 1070 00:54:07,118 --> 00:54:09,852 We now have a vision diametrically opposed 1071 00:54:09,852 --> 00:54:11,789 What must we do with the Animal Liberation 1072 00:54:11,788 --> 00:54:14,825 Ethics is to align with Science. 1073 00:54:14,825 --> 00:54:19,604 Because we know, scientifically, that other species are cousins. 1074 00:54:19,604 --> 00:54:22,468 We know they feel pain the same way in the same proportion 1075 00:54:22,468 --> 00:54:25,804 And what we're doing with them It is a moral atrocity, 1076 00:54:25,804 --> 00:54:30,170 which is justified in the same way, similarly, 1077 00:54:30,297 --> 00:54:32,479 the atrocities of the past, as slavery. 1078 00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:34,551 (Biology - meeting room) 1079 00:54:34,583 --> 00:54:37,967 - At 200 years of Charles, Charlie, Chuck pros college friends ... 1080 00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:45,188 And while you eat, remember the legacy of this man. 1081 00:54:45,511 --> 00:54:48,171 - I thought that biologists had a special understanding. 1082 00:54:48,171 --> 00:54:52,091 So I went to a party for the anniversary 200 years of Charles Darwin, 1083 00:54:52,091 --> 00:54:54,514 held by the Department of Biology my university. 1084 00:54:54,791 --> 00:55:01,131 - You can not look at without Biology understand it by Darwinian perspective. 1085 00:55:01,156 --> 00:55:03,612 So as a biologist, this has enormous significance. 1086 00:55:03,612 --> 00:55:05,683 With the publication of "Origin of Species" 1087 00:55:05,683 --> 00:55:08,248 and a recognition that there is an evolutionary link between 1088 00:55:08,273 --> 00:55:09,846 all living beings, 1089 00:55:09,871 --> 00:55:13,590 and that human beings are just another an animal in this series, 1090 00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:16,426 there had to be an influence ethics and consideration of other 1091 00:55:16,426 --> 00:55:22,623 organisms in the same manner as We consider the relationship between humans. 1092 00:55:22,723 --> 00:55:24,414 There had to be an impact. 1093 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:27,155 (____ ____) Ended, for now, here ... 1094 00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:31,265 - We could extend our essential ethical principles, 1095 00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:34,109 as opposed to causation damage by unnecessary misery 1096 00:55:34,109 --> 00:55:35,552 to other species. 1097 00:55:35,552 --> 00:55:38,558 And then I would not do things like use animals for clothing, 1098 00:55:38,558 --> 00:55:40,696 or for food or other ways that cause suffering ... 1099 00:55:41,052 --> 00:55:42,792 It is no longer justified. 1100 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,700 - Uh ... 1101 00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:48,132 - Have you thought about that? - No, actually not. 1102 00:55:48,132 --> 00:55:50,265 - Perhaps no biologist does. 1103 00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:53,169 So I went to the Academy of Sciences of New York to 1104 00:55:53,169 --> 00:55:55,483 a number of studies "Science and the City" 1105 00:55:55,483 --> 00:55:58,862 I received the most influential live biologist: 1106 00:55:59,151 --> 00:56:02,120 - It is by far the lead world of what we propose here 1107 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,449 in our fight "Science and the City" 1108 00:56:03,463 --> 00:56:06,033 promote understanding Public Science. 1109 00:56:06,094 --> 00:56:08,556 Obviously, it does not need presentations ... 1110 00:56:08,557 --> 00:56:10,915 - If you walk pro past, 1111 00:56:10,915 --> 00:56:14,003 for its hereditary chain, (Richard Dawkins - University of Oxford) 1112 00:56:14,002 --> 00:56:17,420 starting with their mother, her grandmother, great-grandmother - 1113 00:56:17,495 --> 00:56:19,312 we will be alone in the maternal line, for convenience - 1114 00:56:19,369 --> 00:56:21,259 his great-great grandfather and so on ... 1115 00:56:21,395 --> 00:56:23,611 you go, go, go go, go 1116 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,780 back all you want, 1117 00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:29,774 and gradually, animals through which you pass, 1118 00:56:29,774 --> 00:56:31,421 while regresses to its ancestors, 1119 00:56:31,468 --> 00:56:35,591 will gradually and slowly, turning into something else. 1120 00:56:35,591 --> 00:56:39,057 When get to 6 or 7 million years in the past, 1121 00:56:39,441 --> 00:56:42,442 You see an animal It was the common ancestor 1122 00:56:42,442 --> 00:56:45,298 between us and the chimpanzees. 1123 00:56:46,418 --> 00:56:48,015 - Yes, prof. Dawkins, 1124 00:56:48,881 --> 00:56:52,081 the extreme similarity between us and 1125 00:56:52,081 --> 00:56:56,203 and other species that Biology evolution helps us to understand 1126 00:56:56,547 --> 00:56:59,215 do you think there is some ethical implications in terms 1127 00:56:59,267 --> 00:57:01,777 the treatment of non-human animals, 1128 00:57:01,783 --> 00:57:04,825 I mean, in my understanding, you are not a speciesist. 1129 00:57:05,336 --> 00:57:07,756 - I think so, there ethical implications. 1130 00:57:07,756 --> 00:57:12,774 If we think in the way we special treatment to humans, 1131 00:57:11,157 --> 00:57:12,157 for example, in the case of abortion, 1132 00:57:12,774 --> 00:57:17,136 human fetuses are treated as babies, 1133 00:57:17,136 --> 00:57:21,274 and many people think it is murder abort a human fetus. 1134 00:57:21,321 --> 00:57:23,711 It hardly happens with cows. 1135 00:57:24,913 --> 00:57:27,361 They have, of course, much more capacity for suffering than 1136 00:57:27,361 --> 00:57:29,227 than any human fetus. 1137 00:57:29,348 --> 00:57:31,466 Chimpanzees, which are very close to us, 1138 00:57:31,466 --> 00:57:37,297 They get nothing so much ethical, moral or legally protected, 1139 00:57:37,297 --> 00:57:38,769 They receive as humans. 1140 00:57:38,769 --> 00:57:41,070 Suppose we learned one relicária population 1141 00:57:41,095 --> 00:57:42,356 in the forests of Africa, 1142 00:57:42,356 --> 00:57:44,856 between humans and chimpanzees, 1143 00:57:44,856 --> 00:57:47,733 what would we do? what speciesist would, 1144 00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:52,481 a live specimen of Lucy, Afarensis Australophitecus, 1145 00:57:52,481 --> 00:57:53,724 was discovered? 1146 00:57:53,724 --> 00:57:56,030 It was a pure accident their extinction. 1147 00:57:56,162 --> 00:57:59,896 We must find a way, do something between our moral and our ethics. 1148 00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:02,893 Take into consideration that they may not have been extinguished. 1149 00:58:02,893 --> 00:58:06,159 - We should not ... this distinction huge ethical, 1150 00:58:06,206 --> 00:58:09,681 should not depend on the accident that is extinction. 1151 00:58:09,722 --> 00:58:12,048 - When we are involved very emotionally 1152 00:58:12,048 --> 00:58:13,978 use in other animals, 1153 00:58:14,017 --> 00:58:18,258 then we kinda decided have a moral principle 1154 00:58:18,258 --> 00:58:20,725 that will support this behavior, 1155 00:58:20,779 --> 00:58:23,046 rather than going elsewhere direction. 1156 00:58:23,136 --> 00:58:25,786 If we would come to the world a rough stone, 1157 00:58:25,786 --> 00:58:32,855 I think the reasons the speciesism would not persuade us. 1158 00:58:32,855 --> 00:58:37,114 - And if you could find a way to see the world as a rough stone? 1159 00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:41,882 If you could remember and ask my intuitions and stronger assumptions? 1160 00:58:44,851 --> 00:58:48,599 - It is the crack opening to the sky... 1161 00:58:48,624 --> 00:58:53,007 - Enter the Universe dimension It is the hardest job, 1162 00:58:53,032 --> 00:58:55,981 for astronomers or who thinks that. 1163 00:58:56,179 --> 00:58:56,881 AND... 1164 00:58:57,341 --> 00:58:59,440 Because it's so completely "nonhuman" 1165 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,879 Distances are completely out of any everyday experience. 1166 00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:07,974 One way we can think about it, 1167 00:59:07,974 --> 00:59:10,047 since the distances They are so broad, 1168 00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:13,442 is to monitor how far the objects are, 1169 00:59:13,441 --> 00:59:16,311 calculating how long the light takes to get there. 1170 00:59:16,311 --> 00:59:20,033 Light travels at about 300 million meters per second. 1171 00:59:20,032 --> 00:59:22,456 There are 7 turns on earth in one second. 1172 00:59:22,456 --> 00:59:24,908 Then think about 1/7 of a second. 1173 00:59:24,908 --> 00:59:26,788 Travels all over our world. 1174 00:59:27,046 --> 00:59:29,650 The sun is 8 light-minutes away. 1175 00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:33,086 So it seems a distance well unbelievable, compared to Earth. 1176 00:59:33,086 --> 00:59:33,989 But ... 1177 00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:36,667 the distances between the stars are so 1178 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,667 disconcertingly huge, 1179 00:59:38,674 --> 00:59:41,874 that light, even traveling as fast as you can, 1180 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,980 You have to follow for four years to reach the nearest star. 1181 00:59:45,955 --> 00:59:50,160 Within the Milky Way, in the Sun orbit the region, 1182 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,258 there are something like 100 billion stars. 1183 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,711 There are about 100 000 light-years or more 1184 00:59:58,727 --> 01:00:01,927 to get from one side of the Via Milky to another. 1185 01:00:03,385 --> 01:00:06,353 And it's just one of Typical galaxies known ... 1186 01:00:06,996 --> 01:00:09,316 Our small local group Galaxies 1187 01:00:09,316 --> 01:00:11,702 It is on the edge of the periphery 1188 01:00:11,702 --> 01:00:16,131 an impressive cluster of galaxies, which has thousands of galaxies. 1189 01:00:16,131 --> 01:00:18,509 And more than 100 million, by scale, 1190 01:00:18,509 --> 01:00:20,734 you see that the clusters galaxies. 1191 01:00:20,734 --> 01:00:22,485 They are not distributed randomly. 1192 01:00:22,485 --> 01:00:28,796 They are assembled into filaments, sheets, in chains, 1193 01:00:29,455 --> 01:00:32,314 Space is so much greater today, 1194 01:00:32,314 --> 01:00:34,846 than what we dreamed astronomers 1195 01:00:34,871 --> 01:00:36,324 a few generations past. 1196 01:00:36,324 --> 01:00:39,524 Once after another, intuition is wrong. 1197 01:00:40,814 --> 01:00:42,654 No, it is not so. 1198 01:00:43,241 --> 01:00:46,353 The "common sense" disappoint you. 1199 01:00:48,796 --> 01:00:53,519 - And if, in fact, is only a prejudice? 1200 01:00:54,459 --> 01:00:57,220 And if we're just we all here? 1201 01:00:58,035 --> 01:00:59,035 On this planet? 1202 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,738 After a billion years of evolution. 1203 01:01:03,619 --> 01:01:06,519 We could be only a species 1204 01:01:07,053 --> 01:01:08,053 more powerful, 1205 01:01:08,177 --> 01:01:09,177 Locke, 1206 01:01:09,525 --> 01:01:11,859 Bullying on all the others, 1207 01:01:11,884 --> 01:01:15,460 without stepping back to notice what we have done? 1208 01:01:15,706 --> 01:01:17,514 For all this time? 1209 01:01:18,835 --> 01:01:21,271 After all, we are capable of it. 1210 01:01:21,271 --> 01:01:24,641 We saw it. We are, Genetically 1211 01:01:24,641 --> 01:01:28,891 nothing different people engaged trade in human slavery, 1212 01:01:28,891 --> 01:01:30,438 for thousands of years. 1213 01:01:30,556 --> 01:01:35,209 And of civilized societies They took part in the genocide. 1214 01:01:36,123 --> 01:01:38,021 - As a Holocaust survivor, 1215 01:01:38,021 --> 01:01:41,403 I spent my childhood in a Warsaw ghetto, 1216 01:01:41,403 --> 01:01:43,962 by the end of 1942 1217 01:01:43,962 --> 01:01:46,559 when we escaped to the other side. 1218 01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:51,435 After the war, I visited some of the extermination camps 1219 01:01:51,435 --> 01:01:54,018 where my family was killed. 1220 01:01:54,018 --> 01:01:59,564 I was guided by the cell hair, glasses, boots, 1221 01:01:59,564 --> 01:02:03,964 Years later, it happened to go a slaughterhouse in the USA, 1222 01:02:03,964 --> 01:02:12,579 and again, I saw piles of hearts, hooves and other body parts 1223 01:02:12,579 --> 01:02:14,047 strung in iron, 1224 01:02:14,047 --> 01:02:16,223 and I found myself thinking 1225 01:02:16,223 --> 01:02:18,829 the highly efficient process, 1226 01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:26,026 cold, numb, It was used in both cases. 1227 01:02:26,112 --> 01:02:29,593 That the perpetrators, They did not feel any guilt 1228 01:02:29,593 --> 01:02:31,518 for what they did. 1229 01:02:31,518 --> 01:02:35,153 My fellow Jews They were transported in cattle cars. 1230 01:02:35,153 --> 01:02:38,297 I came to realize that the slogan we saw using, 1231 01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:39,330 "Never", 1232 01:02:39,767 --> 01:02:45,067 It was not exactly on the others might do to us, 1233 01:02:46,473 --> 01:02:47,734 - Oh my God! 1234 01:02:47,871 --> 01:02:50,115 I saw him! 1235 01:02:53,058 --> 01:02:58,212 - I can not pinpoint the moment I saw, I realized, 1236 01:02:58,268 --> 01:03:01,763 there was something in that reasoning. 1237 01:03:03,247 --> 01:03:06,809 It was a kind of process cumulative. 1238 01:03:08,812 --> 01:03:12,247 Right off the bat, there was no tip. 1239 01:03:12,454 --> 01:03:15,454 You go the other way up that in real ... 1240 01:03:17,651 --> 01:03:20,147 and is... 1241 01:03:21,347 --> 01:03:24,147 is ... it's almost ... let ... I do not know say ... 1242 01:03:25,189 --> 01:03:26,189 It is chilling .. 1243 01:03:26,224 --> 01:03:29,624 We are directly confronted the Holocaust 1244 01:03:29,623 --> 01:03:34,507 What happens everywhere, at all times. 1245 01:03:34,507 --> 01:03:36,883 And all those who know, those we love 1246 01:03:36,883 --> 01:03:38,604 and those who hate, 1247 01:03:38,604 --> 01:03:41,420 everywhere, are all participating. 1248 01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:44,713 And I am here, just talking about it! 1249 01:03:44,713 --> 01:03:51,634 Okay, I'm someone callously talking about it, 1250 01:03:51,634 --> 01:03:54,334 because I'm trying to work my feelings about it ... 1251 01:03:54,334 --> 01:03:57,592 When the only answer sensible to this 1252 01:03:57,592 --> 01:04:00,321 to this understanding, for this awakening 1253 01:04:00,321 --> 01:04:04,321 for this world we live in is a fucking blast! 1254 01:04:04,375 --> 01:04:07,127 Right? Must be the only answer possible! 1255 01:04:07,127 --> 01:04:12,637 ... It's something that never happened before. I can not ... It's so bad 1256 01:04:13,769 --> 01:04:17,484 that ... that ... how I can stay talking as a holocaust 1257 01:04:17,484 --> 01:04:20,395 It happens everywhere, all the time? 1258 01:04:20,395 --> 01:04:21,695 Every day... 1259 01:04:21,695 --> 01:04:23,879 And all are included. 1260 01:04:23,879 --> 01:04:27,549 When you can talk about it while when it's just a 1261 01:04:27,549 --> 01:04:30,990 laughable matter when you brings forth? 1262 01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:36,396 when your friends and family they think it's "cute" 1263 01:04:36,396 --> 01:04:41,880 you have decided ... Do you know... 1264 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,495 when you decided to have interest animals 1265 01:04:45,495 --> 01:04:47,087 in animal cause ... 1266 01:04:47,087 --> 01:04:49,925 "But you know what? I'm glad you made your choice, please 1267 01:04:49,925 --> 01:04:51,354 respect my choice. " 1268 01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:56,323 Like, damn, we can continue like this world? 1269 01:04:56,323 --> 01:05:01,146 How not to see the world, with everyone inside, 1270 01:05:01,146 --> 01:05:07,229 as dark, dangerous, irrational? 1271 01:05:07,229 --> 01:05:14,197 And how the hell do not look their life up to that point 1272 01:05:14,197 --> 01:05:19,581 you woke up, as something unforgivable? 1273 01:05:19,882 --> 01:05:21,431 I realized that 1274 01:05:21,431 --> 01:05:24,898 the thing is much deeper than I could imagine. 1275 01:05:25,434 --> 01:05:28,335 For people who try see past speciesism, 1276 01:05:28,335 --> 01:05:31,474 the world becomes very different. 1277 01:05:31,981 --> 01:05:33,285 Then I thought: 1278 01:05:33,285 --> 01:05:36,125 What are the consequences practices 1279 01:05:36,126 --> 01:05:38,042 a perspective not speciesist? 1280 01:05:38,393 --> 01:05:40,029 - In my research last, 1281 01:05:40,029 --> 01:05:43,146 I have used them to receive human tumors. 1282 01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:44,813 Special types of used mice 1283 01:05:44,825 --> 01:05:47,140 system which does not have Normal immune 1284 01:05:47,165 --> 01:05:49,217 that can grow tumors human them, 1285 01:05:49,279 --> 01:05:53,146 So I could really check the answers to agents 1286 01:05:53,214 --> 01:05:54,727 I'm trying to therapeutic develop. 1287 01:05:54,944 --> 01:05:57,721 And to make sure that these agents 1288 01:05:57,721 --> 01:06:02,130 reach the tumor expected manner: 1289 01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:04,487 the tumor decrease or disappear. 1290 01:06:04,487 --> 01:06:07,672 and I... - It is painful for rats? 1291 01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:10,357 - I try to leave the painless as possible. 1292 01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:14,128 - When we asked if we would be capable of doing the same experiments 1293 01:06:14,128 --> 01:06:17,449 a human being at the same level of consciousness, 1294 01:06:17,449 --> 01:06:19,267 and if the answer is 1295 01:06:19,267 --> 01:06:22,601 "Yes, we would do in the case of a non-human but 1296 01:06:22,601 --> 01:06:24,707 no, we would not do in the case of a human" 1297 01:06:24,737 --> 01:06:29,569 it seems to exhibit a bias in favor of our species. 1298 01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:32,664 - But I put in tumors people to test? 1299 01:06:32,664 --> 01:06:33,921 - Yup. - No! 1300 01:06:33,921 --> 01:06:34,745 - Why not? 1301 01:06:34,745 --> 01:06:36,262 - As well, why not? 1302 01:06:36,262 --> 01:06:38,162 - You put even, animals below human beings? 1303 01:06:38,162 --> 01:06:39,198 - Yes it's right, I place. 1304 01:06:39,198 --> 01:06:40,198 - Because? 1305 01:06:41,561 --> 01:06:43,841 - Why do not they make moral choices. 1306 01:06:45,011 --> 01:06:46,064 - Interestingly, 1307 01:06:46,064 --> 01:06:49,135 anti-speciesist are not necessarily against all 1308 01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:51,035 the animal experiments. 1309 01:06:51,182 --> 01:06:54,007 Some ethical theories allowed experimentation 1310 01:06:54,007 --> 01:06:56,910 in humans without consent, in some circumstances. 1311 01:06:56,910 --> 01:06:58,339 While others do not. 1312 01:06:58,339 --> 01:07:00,168 However, at least 1313 01:07:00,168 --> 01:07:03,367 this experiment may contemplated help an anti-speciesist 1314 01:07:03,367 --> 01:07:06,781 decide which experiments not They are worthy of support. 1315 01:07:06,886 --> 01:07:07,766 - So, 1316 01:07:07,765 --> 01:07:10,627 what else one anti-speciesist should 1317 01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:12,423 begin to see differently? 1318 01:07:12,423 --> 01:07:14,073 How about another problem practical? 1319 01:07:14,073 --> 01:07:15,924 - The ALF - Animal Liberation Front (Front for Liberation Animal) 1320 01:07:15,924 --> 01:07:18,263 - You know, people who invade buildings, 1321 01:07:18,263 --> 01:07:20,972 destroy property, rescue animals and so on ... 1322 01:07:20,972 --> 01:07:26,442 Dr. Steven Best, University Texas, El Paso, studies the ALF. 1323 01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:30,426 - The basic idea of ​​tradition in civil disobedience 1324 01:07:30,637 --> 01:07:33,157 is that if the law is wrong, 1325 01:07:33,939 --> 01:07:36,377 the right thing to do It is infringe it. 1326 01:07:36,377 --> 01:07:39,807 In the US in the nineteenth century, slavery was legal. 1327 01:07:39,807 --> 01:07:42,671 And free a slave the captive was illegal. 1328 01:07:42,671 --> 01:07:44,495 But it was the right thing to do. 1329 01:07:44,495 --> 01:07:46,264 Animals are under attack! 1330 01:07:47,194 --> 01:07:49,440 They are being tortured, detained, 1331 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,182 brutalized, killed, 1332 01:07:51,182 --> 01:07:52,918 the millions every day, 1333 01:07:52,918 --> 01:07:54,311 the billions every year. 1334 01:07:54,311 --> 01:07:55,407 It is a war! 1335 01:07:55,407 --> 01:07:56,458 Under Attack! 1336 01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:59,766 They are physically mistreated, tortured, caged, 1337 01:07:59,892 --> 01:08:03,499 traumatized, electrocuted, and and dead! 1338 01:08:03,499 --> 01:08:05,322 In myriad ways. 1339 01:08:05,617 --> 01:08:06,617 It is a war! 1340 01:08:06,969 --> 01:08:10,776 I decided to find someone work in these arguments. 1341 01:08:11,653 --> 01:08:14,453 So how ... how it was the federal prison? 1342 01:08:15,207 --> 01:08:18,561 - The prison was something that I spent seven other years 1343 01:08:18,561 --> 01:08:21,053 pounding in my head if it had been something ... 1344 01:08:21,053 --> 01:08:22,477 - As well 7 "other" years? 1345 01:08:22,477 --> 01:08:26,098 - Well, I spent seven years and a half as a fugitive, was wanted by the FBI. 1346 01:08:26,098 --> 01:08:29,435 So for 7 and a half years I knew that one day I would be arrested. 1347 01:08:29,435 --> 01:08:32,952 In 1997, I released thousands of mink about 1348 01:08:32,952 --> 01:08:35,606 about 6 different plants skin, in the Midwest. 1349 01:08:35,657 --> 01:08:38,718 What we did was to invade these factories in the night, 1350 01:08:38,718 --> 01:08:43,213 with pliers and wire cutters, we put the fences down 1351 01:08:43,213 --> 01:08:45,660 we went to these farms, we opened each cage. 1352 01:08:45,691 --> 01:08:47,809 The mink raised on farms They survived and prospered 1353 01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:48,945 in the wild, really. 1354 01:08:49,005 --> 01:08:51,834 Any arguments against break the law to save animals 1355 01:08:51,834 --> 01:08:54,445 is primarily an argument speciesist. 1356 01:08:54,445 --> 01:08:57,879 No one would argue that ... 1357 01:08:57,879 --> 01:09:01,118 it would be morally unjustified free slaves. 1358 01:09:01,118 --> 01:09:04,757 - I realized that by thinking on animal experimentation, 1359 01:09:04,757 --> 01:09:08,561 and ALF, I was avoiding another matter. 1360 01:09:09,047 --> 01:09:13,299 - What is the difference between sitting and watch a dogfight, 1361 01:09:13,299 --> 01:09:16,443 how I was doing, or allegedly doing, 1362 01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:20,462 and the rest of us, we sat down kiosks doing barbecues? 1363 01:09:20,702 --> 01:09:21,965 Oh ... and ... You know? 1364 01:09:21,965 --> 01:09:25,240 The grilled animal was tortured as well as animals that 1365 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,229 Michael Vick puts to fight. 1366 01:09:28,846 --> 01:09:32,893 - Each year, the Church of St. John, the Divine in New York 1367 01:09:33,204 --> 01:09:38,471 has a beautiful celebration of San Francisco, complete with a parade of animals. 1368 01:09:38,783 --> 01:09:41,223 And transvestites, for some reason. 1369 01:09:41,353 --> 01:09:44,507 There, hundreds of people line up 1370 01:09:44,532 --> 01:09:46,538 to have their companions blessed animals. 1371 01:09:48,161 --> 01:09:50,694 - I brought him here today to see you blessed. 1372 01:09:50,694 --> 01:09:54,235 And I have been grateful to the Lord for a miracle: 1373 01:09:54,235 --> 01:10:00,904 he has kidney failure, I think a miracle to have hemodialysis for animals. 1374 01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:04,659 If I had an uncle or kidney failure, have medical treatment 1375 01:10:04,659 --> 01:10:07,308 I feel the same for animals. 1376 01:10:07,308 --> 01:10:10,654 Uh ... by pets. 1377 01:10:10,654 --> 01:10:15,550 - I was wondering if you could bless all the chickens .... 1378 01:10:15,688 --> 01:10:16,952 - All chickens? 1379 01:10:17,072 --> 01:10:19,541 - They are too many to bring them, so ... (Chicken x 9 billion) 1380 01:10:19,566 --> 01:10:23,208 ... I was considering you some kind of blessing for them all. 1381 01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:26,275 - I know they are trapped in cages, warehouses and so on ... 1382 01:10:26,275 --> 01:10:27,307 - What can I do? 1383 01:10:28,450 --> 01:10:29,578 - The first thing you must do, 1384 01:10:29,578 --> 01:10:31,801 if you approach fear animal factory farms 1385 01:10:31,801 --> 01:10:33,268 It is to fail to keep them. 1386 01:10:33,847 --> 01:10:36,671 While you're shopping the products, 1387 01:10:36,671 --> 01:10:40,732 of all industrial farms, as you consume them, 1388 01:10:40,732 --> 01:10:43,765 or have people who buy by you, 1389 01:10:43,765 --> 01:10:45,298 this helps keep them. 1390 01:10:45,314 --> 01:10:47,638 - So if I will not buy industrial farms, 1391 01:10:47,638 --> 01:10:50,229 how about those farms "human," which I hear? 1392 01:10:53,705 --> 01:10:56,270 I found a "human" farm that sells for one of 1393 01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:58,693 Most reputable companies, Whole Foods. 1394 01:10:58,693 --> 01:11:01,725 It is described on the website of Whole Foods as a farm "free-range" (no confinement) 1395 01:11:01,725 --> 01:11:03,754 The owner even took me for a spin. 1396 01:11:03,918 --> 01:11:08,134 - We are doing things for the patterns Whole Foods, 1397 01:11:08,134 --> 01:11:11,837 which are high. - Very high human standards? 1398 01:11:11,837 --> 01:11:13,829 - Yes, high. - The best? 1399 01:11:13,829 --> 01:11:19,459 - Also, I think of the best. 1400 01:11:19,459 --> 01:11:25,693 We offer quality products quality, which are created 1401 01:11:24,292 --> 01:11:25,693 more naturally for people 1402 01:11:25,693 --> 01:11:28,857 We are looking for this type of product. 1403 01:11:35,155 --> 01:11:37,434 - How much space there is, per bird? 1404 01:11:38,338 --> 01:11:39,338 - Almost 1m². 1405 01:11:40,402 --> 01:11:44,352 Comparing with a ordinary creation, 1406 01:11:44,352 --> 01:11:45,436 is enough space. 1407 01:11:45,436 --> 01:11:47,575 To sell to Whole Foods, 1408 01:11:47,575 --> 01:11:49,386 you have to meet the many values. 1409 01:11:49,386 --> 01:11:51,319 Oh, they are very strict standards. 1410 01:11:51,512 --> 01:11:52,512 Ah ... 1411 01:11:52,983 --> 01:11:59,079 If you have an error rate greater than 1%, you are missing. 1412 01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:03,040 If you have more than 1% broken wings, you fail. 1413 01:12:04,055 --> 01:12:05,055 - Yes, this is very smelly. 1414 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,467 - It is not? It's like a box my rabbit! 1415 01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:10,875 When I'm cleaning. - And is... 1416 01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:18,492 When I take the manure with a shovel loader, use a respirator, 1417 01:12:18,492 --> 01:12:21,430 one of those respirators anti ammonia, it filters everything. 1418 01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:23,653 So it does not affect the throat. 1419 01:12:23,653 --> 01:12:26,301 It is not good for us. 1420 01:12:26,787 --> 01:12:29,018 - Let us listen again, with more space, 1421 01:12:29,094 --> 01:12:31,622 our numbers are usually very low. 1422 01:12:31,906 --> 01:12:34,468 The ammonia levels are usually very low. 1423 01:12:34,493 --> 01:12:37,789 Turkeys, you know, is a both cannibals, 1424 01:12:37,789 --> 01:12:40,825 - So if anyone has a turkey wrong, 3 or 4 and each of them together, 1425 01:12:40,825 --> 01:12:42,146 may have this problem? 1426 01:12:42,146 --> 01:12:44,724 - Probably not, and even we also we do not have much of that, 1427 01:12:44,724 --> 01:12:47,445 because of the extra space. 1428 01:12:47,885 --> 01:12:49,353 - Really? - That we do not. 1429 01:12:49,353 --> 01:12:51,535 - So because of the extra space, they do not ... 1430 01:12:51,566 --> 01:12:52,995 - It does not seem so bad. 1431 01:12:53,055 --> 01:12:54,823 - Why did they grow so more quickly? 1432 01:12:54,823 --> 01:12:58,399 - Only advances in gene. You know? 1433 01:12:58,574 --> 01:13:00,758 Selecting the birds grow faster. 1434 01:13:01,303 --> 01:13:03,185 - Is there any problem the rapid growth? 1435 01:13:03,185 --> 01:13:07,940 - Hrããn ... yes, you can have problem in the legs, 1436 01:13:07,940 --> 01:13:10,806 and nails, as they grow. - Like what? 1437 01:13:10,863 --> 01:13:12,686 - They fall to the ground, on the legs. 1438 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:15,728 - It reminded me of something I had almost forgotten. 1439 01:13:16,124 --> 01:13:18,849 - She has difficulty walking. 1440 01:13:18,849 --> 01:13:21,782 But she loves people, loves to be caressed, 1441 01:13:23,306 --> 01:13:24,306 - Yes, his name is Old Hat. - Hello, Old Bone. 1442 01:13:26,147 --> 01:13:28,519 - It took a while for her to used to people again, 1443 01:13:28,519 --> 01:13:30,297 because why? 1444 01:13:30,297 --> 01:13:32,239 - I think 1445 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:36,914 I trusted not only in persons obviously, for a reason ... 1446 01:13:36,914 --> 01:13:39,710 - She seems to be opening wings ... which means? 1447 01:13:39,710 --> 01:13:42,157 - She likes to be stroked, It is taking advantage of ... 1448 01:13:42,157 --> 01:13:44,318 ... Is pouring into me. 1449 01:13:46,993 --> 01:13:47,993 - That's it. 1450 01:13:51,085 --> 01:13:52,952 - Is the cart for the donation? 1451 01:13:53,411 --> 01:13:56,156 - Yes, every day we have one, two or three. 1452 01:13:56,156 --> 01:14:00,281 - If you put 3 or 4 in the wheelbarrow, you will get a date ... haha 1453 01:14:00,281 --> 01:14:02,948 - This is better than one Normal farm. 1454 01:14:02,999 --> 01:14:06,266 And there must be farms much better than these. 1455 01:14:06,364 --> 01:14:10,305 So ... are there farms non-speciesist? 1456 01:14:10,305 --> 01:14:13,481 - If animals must be in the moral community, 1457 01:14:13,481 --> 01:14:18,072 then we must give your interests equal consideration. 1458 01:14:18,404 --> 01:14:21,937 If animals are property, it is impossible to give them 1459 01:14:22,257 --> 01:14:24,994 equal consideration. Think about it a second. 1460 01:14:24,994 --> 01:14:29,061 When the collated interests of a well 1461 01:14:29,094 --> 01:14:31,396 against those of intesses owner of the well, 1462 01:14:31,396 --> 01:14:34,191 will always consider the interests the good 1463 01:14:34,191 --> 01:14:37,032 smaller than the interests of its owner. 1464 01:14:37,228 --> 01:14:39,726 So just like the case of human slavery, 1465 01:14:39,726 --> 01:14:42,583 there were some laws that protected, or supposedly protected, 1466 01:14:42,583 --> 01:14:43,557 human slaves. 1467 01:14:43,557 --> 01:14:44,890 But not working. 1468 01:14:44,914 --> 01:14:48,255 And it did not work because it tried balancing the interests of slaves 1469 01:14:48,255 --> 01:14:50,042 with the interests of the owners slave. 1470 01:14:50,042 --> 01:14:53,515 - Somehow, I had never thought on that contradiction. 1471 01:14:53,515 --> 01:14:57,711 Among consider the welfare of other animals comparably important 1472 01:14:57,711 --> 01:14:59,817 to our well-being. And then, 1473 01:14:59,817 --> 01:15:02,217 use them as economic commodities. 1474 01:15:02,344 --> 01:15:05,277 - It is also true that, if you eat meat, 1475 01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:08,217 you are adhering to a contractual relationship 1476 01:15:08,217 --> 01:15:11,017 in which you are paying other people 1477 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,241 to mutilate animals, 1478 01:15:13,241 --> 01:15:15,950 unrelieved pain, even the best farms, 1479 01:15:15,975 --> 01:15:18,378 slicing throats of animals, opening them, 1480 01:15:18,411 --> 01:15:19,547 unrelieved pain. 1481 01:15:19,587 --> 01:15:21,763 You are paying people to abuse of animals, 1482 01:15:21,763 --> 01:15:23,096 if you eat meat. 1483 01:15:23,259 --> 01:15:25,836 - So you can not really reconcile, can not tell 1484 01:15:25,836 --> 01:15:27,904 "I am someone who is opposed to cruelty against animals " 1485 01:15:27,903 --> 01:15:33,386 and even "I consider acceptable pay for others 1486 01:15:33,386 --> 01:15:35,051 this mercenary relationship, 1487 01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:37,781 to go there and cut animal throats " 1488 01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:41,149 for something as inconsequential as a speech preference. 1489 01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:42,749 It is the subjugation of the apex. 1490 01:15:42,937 --> 01:15:46,637 Is literally eating the corpse of another being. 1491 01:15:46,981 --> 01:15:50,380 It's hard to imagine anything more especista.p 1492 01:15:50,769 --> 01:15:53,552 - I can not believe I never thought that before too! 1493 01:15:53,552 --> 01:15:57,681 But there is something bizarre in eat an animal. 1494 01:15:58,001 --> 01:15:59,411 Eating a corpse. 1495 01:15:59,905 --> 01:16:02,863 I wonder if people who stop be speciesist 1496 01:16:02,881 --> 01:16:05,035 They begin to see that eating animals is 1497 01:16:05,035 --> 01:16:07,701 It is how we see human cannibalism. 1498 01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:51,116 - Here is the final product? - Final product. 1499 01:16:51,964 --> 01:16:55,942 - There, two large, and above two heads, to have a great luau. 1500 01:16:55,942 --> 01:16:57,639 - Wow, a luau with their heads! 1501 01:16:57,639 --> 01:17:00,679 - Okay, here the two heads ... 1502 01:17:01,308 --> 01:17:03,089 - Why is it called "black pudding" (black pudding)? 1503 01:17:03,089 --> 01:17:04,117 - Because there's blood on it. 1504 01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:06,650 - And how like the neck? I never tasted the neck ... 1505 01:17:06,650 --> 01:17:09,431 - It is rabbit, is very tasty. 1506 01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:13,492 Here no one knows. In Germany, you have to 1507 01:17:13,492 --> 01:17:15,489 go to the butcher six weeks before to get. 1508 01:17:15,489 --> 01:17:20,149 - Oh really? It's because? - Because it's popular. 1509 01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:22,910 - I see ... they have so many (__ __?). 1510 01:17:23,273 --> 01:17:25,241 - Once removed from seabed, 1511 01:17:25,241 --> 01:17:27,313 eyes pop up for out of the head, 1512 01:17:27,313 --> 01:17:29,191 they literally die decompression, 1513 01:17:29,191 --> 01:17:30,701 when their bodies explore. 1514 01:17:31,044 --> 01:17:34,584 Or just gutted the decks 1515 01:17:34,584 --> 01:17:37,563 those huge fishing vessels Industrial farms fish. 1516 01:17:37,864 --> 01:17:41,184 Are cut in half, while They are still fully conscious. 1517 01:17:41,184 --> 01:17:43,939 So for many people They are trying vegetarianism 1518 01:17:43,964 --> 01:17:46,000 gradually, 1519 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,504 many of them will cut meat first red, 1520 01:17:48,504 --> 01:17:52,171 by a cruel point of view, It is quite counterproductive. 1521 01:17:52,203 --> 01:17:54,687 - Some argue that we should go beyond. 1522 01:17:54,687 --> 01:17:56,055 And make ourselves vegans. 1523 01:17:56,055 --> 01:17:59,426 That is, replace all animal products in our diet. 1524 01:17:59,426 --> 01:18:04,626 - In my mind, veganism must be the master of the animal movement line. 1525 01:18:04,804 --> 01:18:07,917 Because, as I understand it, and I think empirically, 1526 01:18:07,917 --> 01:18:09,691 There is probably more suffering a glass of milk 1527 01:18:09,691 --> 01:18:12,070 or a cream pot than a kilogram of steak. 1528 01:18:12,189 --> 01:18:14,305 Of course all of them are torture, but the main idea 1529 01:18:14,305 --> 01:18:17,847 people make this distinction, "Oh, I do not eat meat, but as dairy" 1530 01:18:17,847 --> 01:18:21,878 Uh ... for me, it's a little insensitive saying "I do not like little cows, 1531 01:18:21,878 --> 01:18:23,381 but I like bigger cows. " 1532 01:18:23,389 --> 01:18:25,322 In fact, there is no difference. 1533 01:18:25,834 --> 01:18:29,849 There is suffering in dairy products. I say probably more because 1534 01:18:29,849 --> 01:18:32,434 think, used animals that industry 1535 01:18:32,434 --> 01:18:34,271 They are kept alive longer, 1536 01:18:34,271 --> 01:18:35,430 are treated worse shape, 1537 01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:36,785 - I never thought it too! 1538 01:18:36,785 --> 01:18:38,718 We consume is suffering! 1539 01:18:39,377 --> 01:18:44,177 - It is the most terrible pain that a mother can feel, being separated from her son. 1540 01:18:44,284 --> 01:18:46,351 And that is routine in dairy products. 1541 01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:49,915 If you have to do this to survive, 1542 01:18:49,915 --> 01:18:53,556 I can not imagine how I can live with yourself 1543 01:18:53,556 --> 01:18:54,623 and bear it. 1544 01:18:55,132 --> 01:18:57,195 - You can make the decision right now! 1545 01:18:57,195 --> 01:18:59,584 But I will not eat products of animal origin. 1546 01:18:59,584 --> 01:19:04,559 - Despite the arguments of vegetarians and vegans are stronger, 1547 01:19:04,559 --> 01:19:08,617 there must be a good reason not to become one another. 1548 01:19:08,882 --> 01:19:10,814 I mean... other animals 1549 01:19:10,814 --> 01:19:13,170 eat other animals. 1550 01:19:13,267 --> 01:19:16,040 - Suddenly, after debase animals, will mean ... 1551 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:22,953 "Oh, look, if the lion eats antelope, I okay to eat the cow ". 1552 01:19:23,123 --> 01:19:25,536 But ... what is it? I never He said animals 1553 01:19:25,536 --> 01:19:28,334 They are a type of moral example we must follow. 1554 01:19:28,897 --> 01:19:31,638 - They just do it on which have no choice. 1555 01:19:31,638 --> 01:19:34,038 - OK, it made me I feel stupid. 1556 01:19:34,094 --> 01:19:36,353 I try to redeem myself. 1557 01:19:36,467 --> 01:19:38,887 - Animals are injured, at least accidentally, 1558 01:19:38,887 --> 01:19:40,887 when we do anything, most likely. 1559 01:19:41,057 --> 01:19:43,290 - Yes, that is absolutely true. 1560 01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:46,025 Humans are accidentally injured, 1561 01:19:46,131 --> 01:19:48,513 by directing every day. 1562 01:19:48,513 --> 01:19:51,406 But no one saw say "look, the Humans are accidentally injured, 1563 01:19:51,406 --> 01:19:54,214 then we should pick up their cars and make them hit, 1564 01:19:54,214 --> 01:19:55,568 reaching as many people we can. " 1565 01:19:55,629 --> 01:19:57,817 We will not, as a society, get to a place where 1566 01:19:57,842 --> 01:20:00,848 we take these damages in serious consideration, 1567 01:20:00,848 --> 01:20:06,073 if we still intentionally free of charge and without good reason, 1568 01:20:06,073 --> 01:20:07,724 They cause suffering to animals. 1569 01:20:07,755 --> 01:20:09,964 - And ... my last ditch ... 1570 01:20:09,963 --> 01:20:10,963 - And the plants? 1571 01:20:11,042 --> 01:20:12,340 (Jonathan Balcombe, PhD in the Department. Of Studies Animals, Humane Society) 1572 01:20:12,365 --> 01:20:14,452 - You need not worry with plants 1573 01:20:14,452 --> 01:20:16,420 because they are not sentient organisms. 1574 01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:18,549 They can not move from one place to another, 1575 01:20:18,549 --> 01:20:22,057 so that evolution is not the equipped with the need to feel 1576 01:20:22,057 --> 01:20:25,564 pain, pleasure to escape something, or move .... 1577 01:20:25,916 --> 01:20:29,002 And we understand the mechanics fluid whereby the flower 1578 01:20:29,002 --> 01:20:32,073 follows the sun across the sky, for example, 1579 01:20:32,073 --> 01:20:34,463 so we understand the operation a motor car. 1580 01:20:34,643 --> 01:20:36,414 - So I went back to the street. 1581 01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:39,317 - What would be the reason for you not want to be vegetarian? 1582 01:20:41,130 --> 01:20:45,430 - Because I need meat, I need protein. 1583 01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:46,234 - Proteins? - IT IS. 1584 01:20:46,237 --> 01:20:48,878 - I became vegan 8 December 1995. 1585 01:20:49,136 --> 01:20:53,251 I gained 34kg and turned a champion vegan bodybuilding. 1586 01:20:53,251 --> 01:20:58,792 There is a misconception to relate veganism as weakness or strength, 1587 01:20:58,792 --> 01:21:02,842 or lack of ability to obtain adequate nutrition, and the like. 1588 01:21:02,842 --> 01:21:07,621 But in reality, the primary sources nutrition, vitamins, minerals, 1589 01:21:07,621 --> 01:21:10,422 amino acids, fats, glucose, complete proteins, 1590 01:21:10,422 --> 01:21:12,447 all these things we need, They are found 1591 01:21:12,447 --> 01:21:14,438 in plant-based foods. 1592 01:21:14,465 --> 01:21:15,634 In their primary sources. 1593 01:21:15,634 --> 01:21:16,566 They are where they come from. 1594 01:21:16,566 --> 01:21:19,017 - Of course ... I'm not a doctor. 1595 01:21:19,017 --> 01:21:20,916 - I started as a indweller, 1596 01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:25,439 and spent the last eight years, essentially, as a clinician. 1597 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:30,431 The justification we used for our abuse, mistreatment and exploitation of 1598 01:21:30,431 --> 01:21:34,656 nonhuman animals is that we we judge them as "the other" 1599 01:21:34,656 --> 01:21:36,657 as something less than us and 1600 01:21:36,657 --> 01:21:41,083 be seen as something for which I I am very sensitive, because 1601 01:21:41,083 --> 01:21:46,125 as African American, in this country We saw long as "other". 1602 01:21:46,125 --> 01:21:50,470 Once I became a vegetarian and convinced that a diet based on 1603 01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:53,621 in vegetables is more healthy diet to humans, 1604 01:21:53,621 --> 01:21:57,965 I definitely wanted to spend my life trying to educate people 1605 01:21:57,965 --> 01:22:01,148 the fact that they can live healthier, 1606 01:22:01,148 --> 01:22:03,779 without disease and longer life, 1607 01:22:03,779 --> 01:22:05,466 - OK OK. 1608 01:22:05,466 --> 01:22:07,394 So what else do we have? 1609 01:22:07,394 --> 01:22:09,321 - It's the same again and again. 1610 01:22:09,321 --> 01:22:14,026 - Yeah, you could explain ... food Vegetarian emerged as a mixture? 1611 01:22:14,026 --> 01:22:20,039 - Yeah, you know, may be a mixture, not much, a lot of variety. 1612 01:22:20,469 --> 01:22:24,755 - This is the Franchia a vegan restaurant in Manhattan. 1613 01:22:25,075 --> 01:22:27,741 - I am Shery Choi, the owner this restaurant 1614 01:22:27,741 --> 01:22:30,229 I'm vegan for over 15 years. 1615 01:22:30,779 --> 01:22:31,897 Soy chicken skewers, 1616 01:22:31,897 --> 01:22:36,343 It's better than chicken, and is fried lightly. 1617 01:22:36,343 --> 01:22:40,168 You pacifier in the chicken barbecue sauce and ... encased! 1618 01:22:40,224 --> 01:22:42,812 This is our Skewer lobster balls 1619 01:22:42,812 --> 01:22:47,125 The texture is very similar a real lobster. 1620 01:22:47,125 --> 01:22:49,046 This is our cheesecake. 1621 01:22:49,295 --> 01:22:53,001 Everyone loves, is fully no dairy. 1622 01:22:53,001 --> 01:22:55,841 We received comments such as "Oh, my God, oh my God, 1623 01:22:55,841 --> 01:22:59,723 is a vegan cheesecake, we did not know which tastes even better than a cheesecake! 1624 01:22:59,763 --> 01:23:01,273 - People even say which is better? - Yup! 1625 01:23:01,273 --> 01:23:03,473 - We decided to test this proposal. 1626 01:23:03,776 --> 01:23:05,309 - She likes. - That's it? 1627 01:23:06,993 --> 01:23:08,804 - It vegetarian lobster. 1628 01:23:10,026 --> 01:23:11,692 Not true lobster. 1629 01:23:12,366 --> 01:23:13,433 - Wow, that's real? 1630 01:23:13,791 --> 01:23:15,063 - Can I have the rest? 1631 01:23:15,149 --> 01:23:17,934 - If you go to supermarkets as Whole Foods, some of 1632 01:23:17,934 --> 01:23:20,184 stores "natural products" 1633 01:23:20,184 --> 01:23:25,189 you can buy soy sausages, soy meat, 1634 01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:28,137 If you are the shalt as Barnes & Nobles, you will have a shelf 1635 01:23:28,137 --> 01:23:30,113 only whole book vegetarian cuisine. 1636 01:23:30,113 --> 01:23:31,113 1637 01:23:32,602 --> 01:23:35,763 - Remember Paul Shapiro, of Humane Society? 1638 01:23:36,065 --> 01:23:39,252 He showed me some versions vegan of my favorite foods. 1639 01:23:39,651 --> 01:23:41,139 In his kitchen. 1640 01:23:41,396 --> 01:23:44,266 - Becoming vegan is not patrol your life, 1641 01:23:44,266 --> 01:23:46,176 take everything so as dramatic 1642 01:23:46,505 --> 01:23:49,438 No more than make a few free choices. 1643 01:23:49,969 --> 01:23:53,479 I am still a person who like running, 1644 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,996 or lifting, play football.... 1645 01:23:55,996 --> 01:23:59,944 Some of them have taste identical to the normal meat. 1646 01:23:59,944 --> 01:24:01,232 Some do not. 1647 01:24:01,232 --> 01:24:04,151 The question is not exactly mimic the taste. 1648 01:24:04,176 --> 01:24:06,469 If we were born eating vegan meat and we spent 1649 01:24:06,469 --> 01:24:09,239 eating animal flesh, we would say "Hey, you do not have the same flavor." 1650 01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,542 We are not talking about huge sacrifices here. 1651 01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:14,839 The biggest problem you can have 1652 01:24:14,839 --> 01:24:17,064 It is if your friends want to go a restaurant 1653 01:24:17,064 --> 01:24:18,800 that does not have many vegan options, 1654 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,734 And you end up asking a mass or a salad, for want. 1655 01:24:21,855 --> 01:24:22,749 Nothing much. 1656 01:24:22,749 --> 01:24:30,465 - It is so easy to go buy vegan meats, go shopping as normal meat. 1657 01:24:30,465 --> 01:24:34,029 - Or you may have more options when demand for natural food stores. 1658 01:24:34,029 --> 01:24:35,331 Trader Joes and as Whole Foods. 1659 01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:37,999 Sites are so easy to go as mercadões. 1660 01:24:37,999 --> 01:24:41,267 What is then the excuse to buy animal products? 1661 01:24:41,267 --> 01:24:44,160 - Ra ... you know? 1662 01:24:45,660 --> 01:24:49,446 It was all ... Well, is essentially a matter of habit. 1663 01:24:49,446 --> 01:24:52,591 We were used to eating these products for so long, 1664 01:24:52,591 --> 01:24:54,582 it becomes "normal" to us. 1665 01:24:54,582 --> 01:24:57,993 But just because something has become habit, does not mean that 1666 01:24:57,993 --> 01:25:01,421 we have to continue making for life. 1667 01:25:01,792 --> 01:25:05,487 - If you lived at the time of animal slavery, 1668 01:25:05,487 --> 01:25:07,220 you think would be an abolitionist? 1669 01:25:07,220 --> 01:25:11,341 Or do you think that would probably with the majority and support slavery? 1670 01:25:11,341 --> 01:25:14,173 - I probably would an abolitionist. 1671 01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:16,757 - You would be an abolitionist, do you think? 1672 01:25:16,757 --> 01:25:18,390 - Hope so! 1673 01:25:19,026 --> 01:25:21,331 Over the past 4 years (Jon Camp - NGO Vegan Outreach) 1674 01:25:21,331 --> 01:25:24,739 I had the chance to distribute pamphlets in about 300 colleges, 1675 01:25:24,739 --> 01:25:29,066 delivering about 350,000 booklets so far. 1676 01:25:30,832 --> 01:25:33,702 I ... I like .. I'm trying to find something that does not seem 1677 01:25:33,702 --> 01:25:35,337 I am convinced, I'm boasting. 1678 01:25:35,337 --> 01:25:38,202 It is in our day to day lives that our pamphleteers, 1679 01:25:38,202 --> 01:25:40,986 our few pamphleteers, cross with people 1680 01:25:41,027 --> 01:25:43,307 and hear something that encourages ... 1681 01:25:43,335 --> 01:25:46,149 "Hey, I got a flyer with you a year ago 1682 01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:48,864 and do not eat meat, I will come vegan since. " 1683 01:25:48,864 --> 01:25:50,706 - Animal lovers They are changing the culture. 1684 01:25:50,706 --> 01:25:52,330 PETA alone in the last year, 1685 01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:57,205 It distributed more than 850,000 of our "Starter Kit to Vegetarianism." 1686 01:25:57,205 --> 01:25:59,384 And millions of leaflets vegetarians. 1687 01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:03,033 And we have more than 1 million People in our website 1688 01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:05,745 who are watching our video "Meet your Meat" (Know your meat). 1689 01:26:05,885 --> 01:26:06,992 - This move is effective? 1690 01:26:07,529 --> 01:26:09,125 - It is fantastically effective. 1691 01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:10,844 When we asked people why they adopted 1692 01:26:10,883 --> 01:26:12,696 a vegetarian diet, today, 1693 01:26:12,696 --> 01:26:15,476 the number one response is to have assisted the "Meet your Meat". 1694 01:26:15,476 --> 01:26:18,797 - When the Vegan Outreach started the program "Pioneering the Faculty" 1695 01:26:18,797 --> 01:26:21,618 We delivered over 8000 booklets the first year. 1696 01:26:21,618 --> 01:26:26,959 Seven years later, we are distributing over 1 million each year. 1697 01:26:27,055 --> 01:26:28,205 - A million? 1698 01:26:28,205 --> 01:26:33,039 - Yes, we have an increase of more than 10 times in those seven years. 1699 01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:35,528 And these booklets are having a huge impact 1700 01:26:35,528 --> 01:26:36,471 among college students. 1701 01:26:36,497 --> 01:26:40,690 - For a conservative estimate, have a million vegans, 1702 01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:42,162 we have much more than that. 1703 01:26:42,409 --> 01:26:45,301 If each of these people convince just one person 1704 01:26:45,301 --> 01:26:47,304 becoming vegan 5 years 1705 01:26:47,304 --> 01:26:50,160 and many of us have convinced much more than that, 1706 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,918 we will have 2 million vegans in 5 years. 1707 01:26:52,918 --> 01:26:54,709 4 million in 10 years, 1708 01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:56,891 8 million in 15 years. 1709 01:26:56,891 --> 01:27:01,491 - The amount of vegetarian options and vegan will always increase, 1710 01:27:01,450 --> 01:27:04,507 It will become increasingly easier 1711 01:27:04,507 --> 01:27:06,087 for more and more people. 1712 01:27:06,087 --> 01:27:09,020 - You enter the Whole Foods, and 10 years ago they had 1713 01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,485 very few options vegan, now have 1714 01:27:11,485 --> 01:27:12,099 an entire vegan section! 1715 01:27:12,099 --> 01:27:14,339 And Burger King has a veggie cheeseburger. 1716 01:27:14,484 --> 01:27:16,989 - Do you think there will be a crucial turning point? 1717 01:27:16,989 --> 01:27:21,148 - Yes, I think it is inevitable that, at any moment, 1718 01:27:21,148 --> 01:27:24,440 we have to have a serious social discussion 1719 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:28,398 on the ethics of creating and killing Pet food. 1720 01:27:28,665 --> 01:27:31,535 - We are making progress in speed of light. 1721 01:27:31,535 --> 01:27:35,004 compared to past movements social justice. 1722 01:27:35,004 --> 01:27:38,108 And we, as a species, we can only continue to deny science, 1723 01:27:38,108 --> 01:27:39,296 For so long. 1724 01:27:39,658 --> 01:27:43,865 We can only go on living, until then, out of our principles. 1725 01:27:43,865 --> 01:27:45,246 For so long. 1726 01:27:45,246 --> 01:27:46,886 We get there. 1727 01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:48,229 The Animal Liberation. 1728 01:27:48,445 --> 01:27:50,011 - But there is more. 1729 01:27:50,135 --> 01:27:52,409 Treatment of animals over which we talked, 1730 01:27:52,409 --> 01:27:54,667 It has been the legal standard treatment. 1731 01:27:54,667 --> 01:27:55,988 But it goes beyond that. 1732 01:27:55,988 --> 01:27:59,135 And you can go much further, often. 1733 01:27:59,252 --> 01:28:02,213 - We made dozens of Covert investigations 1734 01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:03,633 from coast to coast. 1735 01:28:03,658 --> 01:28:07,153 We not infrequently found deplorable conditions, 1736 01:28:07,178 --> 01:28:08,435 (Nathan Runkle - Executive Director of the NGO Mercy for Animals) 1737 01:28:08,435 --> 01:28:12,262 Animals that are neglected to die without veterinary care. 1738 01:28:12,262 --> 01:28:15,132 Whenever we encounter physical abuse in factory farms. 1739 01:28:15,132 --> 01:28:18,731 Every time we send researchers the factory farms, we find 1740 01:28:18,731 --> 01:28:23,726 find prey birds, or wedged in wire cages, 1741 01:28:23,814 --> 01:28:28,915 Loose iron enters the skin of these birds, tearing it. 1742 01:28:28,915 --> 01:28:31,771 The birds often die in these conditions. 1743 01:28:31,943 --> 01:28:37,605 Their bodies are left there, the birds still producing eggs 1744 01:28:37,605 --> 01:28:38,586 for human consumption. 1745 01:28:38,586 --> 01:28:41,134 We say investigations on farms milk production, 1746 01:28:41,134 --> 01:28:44,342 in which there is much manure, cows They slip in their own feces, 1747 01:28:44,342 --> 01:28:48,618 we also find nuts-mothers with untreated injuries 1748 01:28:48,618 --> 01:28:51,983 Everything from broken bones to Open wounds ... 1749 01:28:51,983 --> 01:28:55,409 It's something that industries want people believe that it is 1750 01:28:55,434 --> 01:28:58,340 isolated fact, an aberration. 1751 01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:03,627 But we know that this simply part of the deal farms. 1752 01:29:04,932 --> 01:29:07,306 - There was one last All he had to do. 1753 01:29:07,907 --> 01:29:10,938 Something I never imagined He would. 1754 01:29:11,538 --> 01:29:16,405 I had to talk to more people reputable, ethically engaged. 1755 01:29:16,763 --> 01:29:20,208 To find out if they can be wrong about something. 1756 01:29:20,233 --> 01:29:22,406 "Freedom is not a gift from God, we must fight for it every day " 1757 01:29:22,406 --> 01:29:23,637 - Simon Wiesenthal. 1758 01:29:23,637 --> 01:29:26,210 - Well, we are a leading organization Human Rights, 1759 01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:27,699 under Jewish auspices, 1760 01:29:27,699 --> 01:29:30,865 but we used the holocaust idea to educate people 1761 01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:34,392 against attacks schedule against Judaism. 1762 01:29:34,952 --> 01:29:37,144 Also on indifference, empathy. 1763 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,537 - What's wrong with the comparison made between Holocaust and animals? 1764 01:29:40,537 --> 01:29:41,305 - Good... 1765 01:29:41,975 --> 01:29:43,442 - There are many problems? 1766 01:29:43,567 --> 01:29:46,662 - There are many, many difficulties involved. 1767 01:29:47,031 --> 01:29:48,777 The first is 1768 01:29:48,777 --> 01:29:52,480 which tends to put the human beings 1769 01:29:52,596 --> 01:29:55,273 and animals in the same level. 1770 01:29:55,273 --> 01:29:58,084 - And how will choose belonging as a Especia 1771 01:29:58,084 --> 01:30:00,133 as the dividing line of morality, 1772 01:30:00,411 --> 01:30:02,856 rather than humans with certain characteristics... 1773 01:30:02,856 --> 01:30:04,631 - Do not have to go that far ... - Right. 1774 01:30:04,631 --> 01:30:07,239 - Just say "no human, and there is everything else. " 1775 01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:08,163 - OK. 1776 01:30:08,409 --> 01:30:10,496 - I realized that he was a common speciesist. 1777 01:30:10,496 --> 01:30:13,983 So I left the subject of value non human suffering .... 1778 01:30:14,184 --> 01:30:16,337 And it was pro real reason I was there. 1779 01:30:16,337 --> 01:30:19,195 - Do you agree that, for example, beating a dog 1780 01:30:19,195 --> 01:30:24,448 cause him more grief than a small slap on a person? 1781 01:30:24,448 --> 01:30:25,325 - Oh, of course! 1782 01:30:25,325 --> 01:30:27,367 - It's just ... so ... 1783 01:30:27,367 --> 01:30:29,119 Many of these people say 1784 01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,016 if we can make some kind comparison, 1785 01:30:31,016 --> 01:30:34,125 they say that the suffering of animals in factory farms today 1786 01:30:34,125 --> 01:30:39,752 with billions of birds, pigs suffering ... throughout his life 1787 01:30:39,752 --> 01:30:41,455 physically and psychologically, 1788 01:30:41,455 --> 01:30:44,991 despite the discussion of which suffering is more important, 1789 01:30:44,991 --> 01:30:46,858 just as a matter of fact, 1790 01:30:47,048 --> 01:30:50,098 more suffering than what happened in the Holocaust. 1791 01:30:50,238 --> 01:30:50,855 - Never. 1792 01:30:50,855 --> 01:30:51,768 - I can not acr ... 1793 01:30:51,793 --> 01:30:54,900 - It's ridiculous ... and the Law of Animals defend others, 1794 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,990 will only mark his point. 1795 01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:57,483 For others to hear them. 1796 01:30:57,741 --> 01:31:00,463 - So come on, let's explain why it is ridiculous ... 1797 01:31:00,631 --> 01:31:03,928 - I did not compare because ... It is also incomparable to scene 1798 01:31:03,967 --> 01:31:05,221 Animal suffering with human ... 1799 01:31:05,221 --> 01:31:08,158 - But we are not comparing the value, only a practical matter .... 1800 01:31:08,158 --> 01:31:09,745 no more suffering going on, 1801 01:31:09,745 --> 01:31:11,693 because they are intensively suffering for all life... 1802 01:31:11,693 --> 01:31:13,262 and there are billions of them. 1803 01:31:13,416 --> 01:31:16,607 And there were several million people who suffered in the Holocaust ... 1804 01:31:16,606 --> 01:31:18,537 and there is more suffering .... 1805 01:31:18,537 --> 01:31:22,024 - You can compare the suffering a female nut 1806 01:31:22,024 --> 01:31:24,438 which has its separate piglet, 1807 01:31:24,438 --> 01:31:29,127 the suffering of a woman or a man who has her baby 1808 01:31:29,152 --> 01:31:31,087 taken by the Nazis and dead? 1809 01:31:31,435 --> 01:31:32,431 - Why, that's what ... 1810 01:31:32,431 --> 01:31:34,222 - Can not. I do not think you can. I do not care how ... 1811 01:31:34,222 --> 01:31:36,775 - A pig is supposedly very very smart, but 1812 01:31:36,775 --> 01:31:38,864 I do not think he has one same feeling. 1813 01:31:38,864 --> 01:31:41,008 - But it has, he has, for example, 1814 01:31:41,008 --> 01:31:45,377 the nut parent spends his life in the cage small, they go crazy 1815 01:31:45,377 --> 01:31:51,631 and hit his head against the splitter bars ... mutilate themselves ... 1816 01:31:51,631 --> 01:31:55,935 - Still does not compare ... - Suffer a lifetime, and there are millions of them. 1817 01:31:55,935 --> 01:31:58,724 So they say ... forget how valuable you find suffering, 1818 01:31:58,724 --> 01:32:01,058 no more suffering going on there. 1819 01:32:01,166 --> 01:32:02,615 - I do not know. 1820 01:32:02,894 --> 01:32:05,892 I really do not know. 1821 01:32:19,505 --> 01:32:20,572 - When I left, 1822 01:32:21,134 --> 01:32:22,534 those same streets, 1823 01:32:23,391 --> 01:32:24,687 they seemed different. 1824 01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:27,767 And I think always will be. 1825 01:32:29,245 --> 01:32:30,679 But now you also know. 1826 01:32:31,391 --> 01:32:32,391 And you will. 1827 01:32:33,321 --> 01:32:34,618 In the streets. 1828 01:32:36,235 --> 01:32:40,501 It would be the largest the Speciesism weirdness that pacified humanity? 1829 01:32:42,272 --> 01:32:44,872 Could this be the ultimate choice? 1830 01:32:45,277 --> 01:32:47,110 Pretend it never we heard that? 1831 01:32:47,495 --> 01:32:49,161 Or take responsibility ara itself. 1832 01:32:49,833 --> 01:32:50,833 For us. 1833 01:32:52,966 --> 01:32:55,671 I do not know the answers to these questions. 1834 01:32:57,111 --> 01:32:59,972 But this film is not designed to give the answers ... 1835 01:33:00,428 --> 01:33:02,032 It is designed to submit questions. 1836 01:33:02,554 --> 01:33:04,274 Why is not my decision. 1837 01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:05,690 It is your decision! 150804

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