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Productions presents Mark Devries
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A MARK DEVRIES film
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I thought I had a pretty clear idea
of how the world works.
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Not exactly about everything in life,
but on the basics of its operation.
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I was mistaken.
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Speciesism
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Speciesism - the movie
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He began to change when I came across
with something that looked pretty innocuous.
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And pretty stupid, really.
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Wait a minute.
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Let me give you an overview.
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So this is me.
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Working on the film you
You are watching now.
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I started researching and
filming it in college,
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as I was 20 years old.
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I conceived as the most important thing
I had never done.
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And do not let my homework flow much.
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I had to turn into a movie.
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But I did not have much time.
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Nor money.
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Then I worked at Disney World and
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at Starbucks and a museum.
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And I put all my money in the film.
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Last year, at 22,
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when it was to study law,
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I decided to postpone it
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and move to my father's house for 1 year
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to finish the film.
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Of course I did not know how to make a movie,
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but I made new friends along the way,
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who helped me holding the camera.
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As the candidate Alex name of PHD.
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- I can hear me right in the headphones.
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And my colleague, psychology student,
name Alana
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Sometimes they just
They sat and watched.
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So here we go, back to the movie.
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- Hey, what do you say?
- How many bears were killed today?
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- I was already naked
Florida, Arizona, Las Vegas ...
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- Oops, I search for you
Google then?
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You are naked on the internet too?
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- Yes I am.
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I visited some other such
Events for the Rights of Animals
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- Boycott the Ringlings Brothers!
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- A post on a blog of a
former clown of Ringling ...
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- (A former clown?)
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- It is called "Why I
I retired my red nose "
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I decided to find out the reason of it.
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There are many different organizations
organizing this type of event.
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So I started with the most important:
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PETA, or
"People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals"
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The co-founder and president of PETA
is Ingrid Newkirk.
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Then I went pro HQ PETA,
in Norfolk, Virginia,
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to see if I could
talk to Ingrid.
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I found the person who probably
He spends most of his time with her.
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- You are a personal assistant?
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- Executive Assistant
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- What does that mean?
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- I plan everything to her,
practically his right arm in PETA.
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- After all, where is this office
Ingrid Newkirk? It's at the top?
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- Ã-huh.
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- So just climb on top,
she is at the top?
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- She stays.
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- She always stood at the top?
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- I have no idea.
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- You had to move north?
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- Yes I wanted to move to north already.
before planning move here.
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I had to convince her
to take me to the right place.
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- This is the International Grassroots Campaign
(dept. Popular Campaigns)
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- Here is the Web production and computer science.
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- This is the Corporate Affairs.
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- Here, Marketing.
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- They help to shape our campaigns.
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- They are the best people,
for the target audience of campanha.-
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- There are many animals here ...
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- Ã-huh.
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- This is the Communications department.
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- Is there any reason for the symbol
chosen for him?
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I think she was stalling,
because when he left the department,
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she even showed me the
the mailroom.
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- We have the post office department.
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- Only then I met Ingrid.
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- You have to do something provocative,
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or controversial, or puzzling,
or sexual,
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so that each stop your busy life
and take a look.
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- And this is Bruce Friedrich.
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Bruce is the Vice President of PETA
for Policy and Government Affairs.
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- There are some things we decided to do,
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we leave behind, for fear that
they were going too far.
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- Like what?
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- But I can not remember
nothing inappropriate.
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Other Vice President,
Dan Mathews,
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It is somewhat different from
Bruce and Ingrid.
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- Our actions have led us to
one of MTV party in Miami,
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by Andy Dick,
that would be a presenter
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And, a single weekend, it was
a party, I met the Reverend Sharpton.
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- Hello, I'm Reverend Al Sharpton,
with PETA.
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- That same weekend in Miami,
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I was a hip-hop ballad,
with a drag queen,
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and thought we would be attacked,
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and ... just ... the Drag-queen
I knew the Dennis Rodman
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I invited him to be the first athlete
Pro naked pose our
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Ad Campaign "No Fur" (without skin).
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- It is with women who achieved a lot
more attention because people are
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more fascinated with naked women
than men (except
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for me, of course, because I'm gay).
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- When you do something controversial,
it creates conversation. And talk is good.
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Discussion is good.
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- Can anyone despise PETA, saying
"Oh, that group only makes bullshit ...
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... but you know? What they say
It has some merit. "
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- All right, they are good at getting
public attention,
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but the intensity of that place
It was unusual.
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I had to ask:
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They are getting all the attention,
exactly, for what?
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- Much essentially smart people,
who is living honestly,
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- "Essentially"?
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- Smart people who live well,
politically awake,
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I have no idea what's going on
an industrial farm,
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to what happens in a laboratory
vivisection,
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simply have no idea!
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- "Industrial Farm"?
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So I decided to see what they are.
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Let PETA and visited the office
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"Compassion Over Killing"
(Compassion, not kill)
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an organization that does research
secret in the egg industry.
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(Erica Meier - Executive Director)
- Found when they began to put
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all those birds so confined,
intensively confined in cages,
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the birds to escape the frustration,
They began to peck each other,
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they have a natural need for pecking,
that most people know,
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then, by this natural pecking order, if
is a bird that is on the bottom of the cage,
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You can not escape, so she will continue
and peck, peck, peck.
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So to avoid this, they began
the pecking birds.
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Overpopulation, diseases and
injured, dead birds,
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on any farm you visit,
you will find.
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- How can I prove that you
You are not lying?
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- You can go to a farm for yourself!
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- This can only be the farm
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eggs.
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- Ã-huh.
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- See the quarrel chickens
with that tractor.
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- What the hell are you doing?
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- I do not want to be arrested. If they say
who will call the police, we will say
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"ok, we're leaving," right?
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- Yes right.
- Right.
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- Oh, my God, just open the door,
It is a horrible stench!
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- Holy shit, that's right!
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STOP. Biological security.
All vehicles
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should wash the tires
before entering.
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STOP. Do not enter.
This is a biosafety area.
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- Just follow me. Let's see if anyone
I can talk to.
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- Hello how are you?
Well, maybe we are in the wrong place.
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- We are looking for a farm.
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- I think found.
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- We're trying to find out ...
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... Proof against those who
They say there is something wrong in the treatment
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ethical of animals on farms of eggs.
- You can talk to John and Linda ....
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I went looking for John and Linda and I
I found her.
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- Oh hi! I think we're looking for the person
right, because you can share the ...
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- You can not enter
on our property.
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- As?
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- You can not enter
on our property.
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- Ah ... no way?
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- Because ... if there is any way,
perhaps we anticipate him,
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we can come back and visit?
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- No one left here ...
analyze our chickens.
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- Oh, but there's a reason? Is there any way?
Because. what we are trying to do
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It is to contradict those who claim that there is something
wrong with the treatment of animals.
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- That's bullshit, you know?
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So is there anything we can do to
show them?
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Maybe we can visit, or give you the
camera and you enter?
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- No.
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- Oh ...
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- I know you do not know who you are.
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You know, just do not let strangers enter.
Especially to take pictures.
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We do not mistreat our chickens.
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- What is the size of the cage them?
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- The cages are quite large.
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- So, they are great for many chickens?
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- I do not know ... that's business
my husband.
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- So you did not see the cages?
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- I have been there, but would not know
tell measures.
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And we have cages of various measures.
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- Not estimate?
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- I can not even estimate,
because I dont know.
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- OK ... and ... and that cut the beak bid?
That is not true, is it?
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- They do this for a chicken
do not kill each other in the cage.
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- Oh!
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- I took my coat "I Love Eggs"
and returned to the car,
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where we found some guys
noting our plates.
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- And they said
"Oh yes, you can park here."
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- Can I ask you, quickly,
one thing?
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What do you think of all the people,
you know, who complain?
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We are trying to prove that
they are wrong.
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- Let this camera over there ...
- Yes, of course, hold the camera down ...
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- So ... all these people claiming that
animals are exploited, abused ...
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- Do you believe that?
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- I do not.
And I want to prove them wrong.
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- And how do we prove them wrong?
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- What do you say to those who say "Hey,
they live in small cages and ...
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... And can not spread their wings
and that sort of thing?
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- It is based on science, in studies.
Several universities studying ...
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There resumes full of studies
about animal welfare.
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- He is right. There, yes, CVs
Whole on animal welfare.
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But it seems being developed
exactly because of the attention
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brought to light the problems
about animal welfare.
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(James Serpell, PhD - Veterinary Department
University of Pennsylvania)
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- The ability to feel pain is,
probably something that
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arose early in evolution
animal.
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- And be able to feel no pain
bring together not a bit of the human being?
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- No not a bit. It is virtually
universal
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in anything that has
a nervous system.
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I then visited Dr. Marc Bekoff,.
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a recognized expert
in feelings of animals.
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He lives in a corner of
mountains of Colorado.
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- I get several of my
lectures saying
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"Nobody here thinks
Dogs do not feel joy. "
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And even at scientific meetings,
no one disputes.
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No one in their right mind can think of
that dogs do not feel joy,
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or chimpanzees do not grieve.
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And neurobiology and ethology
underlie it.
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- The limbic system of the brain that is
supports the processing of emotions.
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- And all mammals have. The structure is
practically the same, the
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as well as neurochemical.
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- So it seems that animals are able
to experience physical sensations,
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They are able to experience emotions.
- Ã-huh.
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- May not be as intense as in
humans, these feelings, these emotions?
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- Perhaps even more intense. Because, e.g.
I can rationalize my fears.
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- Animal emotions can be even more
intense that human emotions.
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Because we could say that they
They are not "filtered".
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- Human emotions guide our lifetime.
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- And intense emotions!
- Yup.
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- And that's what life is, in practice!
- Right.
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- So what you're saying is that
members of other species
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experience even more intense emotions,
perhaps the human.
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What does that mean?
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- It means, roughly, that we underestimated
the extension of animal suffering.
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From an ethical bias, we need to give
the benefit of the doubt.
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As would happen if the deparássemos
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to a human who
we could not communicate.
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Most of the animals that ate
lives in ordinary, large warehouses,
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they seem warehouses. Are no windows,
then you can not see inside.
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And they contain thousands and thousands
From animals.
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- I am an undercover investigator in disguise.
My job is
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document the conditions of
factory farms.
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My identity is preserved because
is disclosed,
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it's likely that I can not
further investigate.
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Industry guidelines,
university studies,
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magazines of the industry branch,
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They are quite clear about
what are the standards.
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They tell you exactly how
animals are treated.
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But until you see the footage, it is
difficult to understand its meaning.
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I can show you these shooting
these investigations so that
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when you are talking to the experts,
you know what they are talking about.
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- What has changed more rapidly in
Industrial farms are the farms.
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It has anything between 3 and 5
bird in a cage.
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Not enough space for anything. They
really can not do anything.
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They are simply compressed ...
that space.
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His paws can be hurt by
remain supported on the wire ever.
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- They are effectively in wires?
- Yup.
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- And not really have way
out of these cages? For how long?
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- The average life of a laying hen
It is less than 2 years.
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- Years in those cages?
- Oh, yeah, yeah.
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- They come from the incubators, wherein
50% are female,
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and are placed in the egg industry,
and the other 50% will be killed,
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because they do not have utility for the industry.
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I've seen reports that birds
They are suffocated.
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Birds, these male chicks,
being thrown alive into the trash,
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They are macerated,
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a rotary shaft, as a
giant blender,
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spinning and just go playing there ...
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- Hard to believe ... that we ...
We can do this with animals.
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- On some level, it is so ...
implacavalmente insensitive.
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- I wanted to actually see
some of these animals.
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Then we went to a sanctuary for
animals rescued from factory farms.
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But we had some problems
to enter.
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- You are no longer familiar
with gates than me?
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- I'm not familiar with this band.
Standing with a ratchet.
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- Oh ok.
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- Here is very strained.
Very tensioned to release.
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then we have to break here.
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- OK.
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- And ... I may have to call my father
to learn how ...
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- You go?
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- These things are ...
- No, no, no ... I think
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you are going by
wrong side, Alana.
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- I think it's there, O.
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I think it's only unlock.
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- You're right.
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- IT IS!
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- Ah-ha!
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- Yeah, it was nice to think it probably
we would have tipped that beam.
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- Each of the birds here ...
(Terry Cummings - Animal Sanctuary Poplar Spring)
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has a name, it has a personality.
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And they are a lot like his personality.
Some are shy,
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some like to be pampered,
others like to be hugged.
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She lived a lifetime in battery cage.
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She is very sweet, eat in your hand.
We give you some treats, like corn and grapes.
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- I asked to see a chicken that was created
to be eaten and not to lay eggs.
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- She can not walk at all.
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She has a best friend,
Silvia, here it is.
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- They like to do everything together.
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- She was whimpering a little
because I took it and Sylvia was still in the barn.
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- Chickens: an account for over 95% of
animals raised for food in the US.
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That means:
more than 1 billion,
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ie billion
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in US factory farms,
any time.
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Thousands are kept in a single shed.
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- Because they are so numerous and so
densely stocked,
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they tend to scratch on each other,
to peck at each other.
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They were selected to eat
lots of food and lots
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and swallow it as fast,
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they get fat so
extremely fast.
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Essentially, they fatten well before
their bones are fully hardened.
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They are still very young,
They have soft bones.
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And what happens then is that while
the joints of the bones come together,
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It has fracture, arthritis, osteoarthritis.
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The birds become lame, each time
more lame progressively
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until, occasionally, some not
You can even walk.
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- And why they are lame?
Why is it painful?
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- Because of the pain in the joints, yes.
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Some can even walk.
Just sit on the floor.
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- Just because ...
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- Pain.
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- I thought so myself, if they can
feel physical pain, like us,
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like to be in pain
all the time?
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- My neck and my back
They are broken in several places.
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the left hip was
displaced fitting,
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and perhaps the nerves that
area shrunk, literally.
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- This is my father.
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He was injured for years. But always
He refuses to talk about it.
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So far.
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- I feel pain in both feet, as if they
They were being milled.
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I feel pain in all my fingers
left hand.
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And that leads me to squeeze them constamente,
to try to scare away the pain.
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00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,267
I have pain in the lower back
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as if being pushed
against the wall,
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If all those years not
had passed,
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and I suddenly felt these pains,
I would be screaming,
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like when you cut your finger:
feels terrible pain, aluciante,
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the world just disappears if you
It has a cut on the little finger.
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And it's a little cut, very small,
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00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,867
in a matter of moments,
It's nothing.
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But the moment you feel that
pain, the world stops.
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What we have is that horrible pain.
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It is the only world, the only world
that is.
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And it's all yours, you're stuck in it,
and there is no one with you.
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The problem is when you feel that kind
indistinctly pain.
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And you can not escape.
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Begins to transform who you are.
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You begin to lose every point
especially within us,
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that makes life worth living in
living.
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- This building here is our sty.
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Pigs have a little pasture
more than 16mil square meters,
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where they can run,
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They have a great manger
to wallow,
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They have hay to eat.
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They are gray, like cows
and horses are also.
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It is no coincidence that most
these pigs come from North Carolina
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It has the highest concentration of farms
hogs than any other place.
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But when I started researching the
pig farms in that state,
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almost all were found
environmental problems.
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As if something was crazy
going on there.
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Then we took the road back and were,
certainly, going to the right place.
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00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,275
- I find it a pig truck.
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00:19:13,966 --> 00:19:18,766
- What you see here are all
environmental impacts and studies done,
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00:19:18,823 --> 00:19:20,299
related to the river.
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00:19:21,071 --> 00:19:24,150
- I visited the office of the Foundation for Protection
the Neuse River (Neuse Riverkeeper Foundation)
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It was created to find the sources
pollution of the Neuse River and others.
368
00:19:28,726 --> 00:19:32,126
One of the main people involved
it is Rick Dove.
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- I spent 25 years in the US Navy.
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00:19:35,354 --> 00:19:37,038
I am very proud of my
military service.
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00:19:37,038 --> 00:19:38,473
I was in Vietnam 2 times.
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00:19:38,473 --> 00:19:40,349
- Another is Larry Baldwin.
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- I come from a ____ community.
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Then I had some knowledge of
What happens to pigs.
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And as these things are done,
so to speak.
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00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,154
But nothing is as what
We have here in North Carolina.
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00:19:52,342 --> 00:19:55,004
- Rick does not like people
associate that concern
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00:19:55,028 --> 00:19:59,020
with animals and the environment are
a cause of the political left.
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00:19:59,182 --> 00:20:01,668
- I am a Republican, a conservative.
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00:20:01,715 --> 00:20:02,827
I believe in my country.
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00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:05,736
All wake up in the morning and
eat your bacon,
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00:20:05,946 --> 00:20:09,630
as if there were no problems
in the world in the field.
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00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:13,714
There is a big problem. Bacon has not been
more established in family farms.
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They are made in factory farms.
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Where animals never see
daylight.
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00:20:18,027 --> 00:20:22,217
Where do they go from the size of a fist
weight of 115 Kg for 5 months!
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00:20:22,335 --> 00:20:24,675
If you take any road
North Caroline,
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Anywhere East
North Carolina,
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Almost one after the other, you will see
ranches, farms and pig farms,
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00:20:31,373 --> 00:20:34,680
There will be containment buildings,
there will be a huge pit,
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00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,151
what they call "pond".
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00:20:36,151 --> 00:20:38,921
There will be beautiful girls in swimsuits,
Are those tanks!
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00:20:38,921 --> 00:20:41,748
They give the name "lagoon"
but they are tanks.
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00:20:41,748 --> 00:20:45,050
They are full of animal waste
untreated.
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00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:49,379
The only treatment that it receives
They are decanting the meat inside.
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00:20:49,379 --> 00:20:53,109
When these tanks are full,
they remove everything and spread,
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00:20:53,109 --> 00:20:55,101
the air in the field.
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00:20:55,101 --> 00:20:59,035
If you have a wind blowing,
It will take you out of that place.
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00:20:59,374 --> 00:21:01,636
Even when they spread by that
field nearby,
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00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:03,866
All those fields have
ditches along them,
401
00:21:03,983 --> 00:21:07,990
to remove excess
liquid, espraiar,
402
00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:10,987
and get him out,
maintaining the drained field
403
00:21:10,987 --> 00:21:15,210
All this in ditches desenbocam
rivers, wetlands, streams and creeks.
404
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,077
- There are people still in the area.
405
00:21:17,775 --> 00:21:20,908
Who have lived here all my life.
They are afraid to enter the swamp.
406
00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:24,209
They are afraid to get in touch
by that, because they do not know if ...
407
00:21:24,323 --> 00:21:24,987
- They ...
408
00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:26,745
- They do not touch that?
409
00:21:26,784 --> 00:21:29,215
- They do not want to be there,
I do not want relar in water.
410
00:21:29,573 --> 00:21:32,830
- We have communities that are well
close these facilities,
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00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:34,434
wherein the groundwater
It is contaminated.
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Can not drink it, may not
remove water from their wells.
413
00:21:38,004 --> 00:21:39,665
- When it spreads
in the field,
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00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:44,135
notes a mist on the ground,
if there is any wind.
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00:21:44,135 --> 00:21:46,378
You can see it go
down the field
416
00:21:46,378 --> 00:21:49,001
and people living in these
communities complain
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00:21:49,001 --> 00:21:52,605
on this spray over them,
about their homes, their cars ...
418
00:21:52,605 --> 00:21:53,049
- No!
419
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:53,987
- Of course they complain!
420
00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:56,824
- We have problems with contaminants
airborne,
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00:21:56,824 --> 00:21:58,018
welcome these facilities.
422
00:21:58,018 --> 00:22:01,083
Wing Dr. Steven, University
North Carolina,
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00:22:01,083 --> 00:22:03,943
It is doing a study on some
junior high schools ...
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00:22:04,075 --> 00:22:06,791
- Children going to school
(Steven Wing, PhD, UNC)
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00:22:06,791 --> 00:22:08,954
in which the school team
It is poured,
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00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:13,032
where livestock prevails
school construction
427
00:22:13,032 --> 00:22:15,498
two or more
per month, check
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00:22:15,498 --> 00:22:18,684
children ranging
these schools
429
00:22:18,684 --> 00:22:25,775
had symptom prevalence rate
Asthma 25% higher.
430
00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:27,011
Exactly what you will see.
431
00:22:27,011 --> 00:22:32,014
They also had more
physician-diagnosed asthma.
432
00:22:32,014 --> 00:22:35,972
- If you really want to see what happens
in Carolina and North Carolina,
433
00:22:35,972 --> 00:22:40,936
you have to get on a plane,
1000 feet, flying over farms.
434
00:22:41,075 --> 00:22:43,894
- Left hand here,
step on the black area of the wing.
435
00:22:44,602 --> 00:22:45,602
- OK, I got it.
436
00:22:46,196 --> 00:22:47,730
- Can I sit up?
437
00:22:49,028 --> 00:22:50,495
- If you want to fly ...
438
00:22:51,384 --> 00:22:52,907
- I will follow through here ...
439
00:22:52,907 --> 00:22:53,907
- OK Alright.
440
00:22:55,595 --> 00:22:56,595
- Almost that...
441
00:22:56,967 --> 00:22:58,951
by the way, you stay with
Mortgage also
442
00:22:59,469 --> 00:23:02,236
- A little shaky today
a little wind today, so ...
443
00:23:03,158 --> 00:23:04,158
It will be a little uncomfortable.
444
00:23:05,437 --> 00:23:06,637
- Some pretzels?
445
00:23:13,293 --> 00:23:17,234
- What we are seeing now
It is a typical farm of pigs.
446
00:23:17,234 --> 00:23:19,406
- These pools can be of the
size of a football field
447
00:23:19,406 --> 00:23:21,962
They can count million liters
waste
448
00:23:21,962 --> 00:23:22,962
449
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:30,639
- Hey, Dennis, are espreiando
right there, right in the way.
450
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:35,168
- What about people's homes,
the cloud.
451
00:23:35,856 --> 00:23:36,949
- And people know this?
452
00:23:37,385 --> 00:23:39,875
- Uh ...
Not exactly.
453
00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:41,882
- You know the best
stories about what happens
454
00:23:41,907 --> 00:23:46,314
with people in the community
They come from people in the community.
455
00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:49,420
- I must talk to them?
456
00:23:49,445 --> 00:23:50,396
- That's what you should do.
457
00:23:50,443 --> 00:23:51,130
- To contact them?
- IT IS!
458
00:23:51,193 --> 00:23:52,216
- Where is your well?
459
00:23:52,216 --> 00:23:53,624
- Just behind your car,
460
00:23:53,624 --> 00:23:57,160
that building made of wood,
and also covered ...
461
00:23:58,747 --> 00:24:00,710
- That's where all your water come from?
462
00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:02,168
(Inaudible)
463
00:24:02,168 --> 00:24:04,439
- Less than 30 PD.
464
00:24:04,875 --> 00:24:07,149
- And they release in the field over there?
465
00:24:07,189 --> 00:24:11,549
- Okay, we are on the side of my field
and I will show you how close they are.
466
00:24:12,636 --> 00:24:13,332
- We're close?
467
00:24:13,332 --> 00:24:16,499
- The things of them, the trinket them
we arrive in ...
468
00:24:16,499 --> 00:24:18,176
I will come and show you ...
469
00:24:18,176 --> 00:24:20,471
- Why do they put these
bushes here? And for...
470
00:24:20,471 --> 00:24:23,071
- Just to hide
they are doing.
471
00:24:23,150 --> 00:24:24,877
- So are these businesses,
these white trinket boxes that ...
472
00:24:24,877 --> 00:24:28,211
- These bats appear behind ...
and they throw waste.
473
00:24:28,536 --> 00:24:30,609
- Launch waste to a 6m in
both directions.
474
00:24:30,718 --> 00:24:32,209
- By air?
- Yeah, the air
475
00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,924
- Turn a fog?
- That, a mist.
476
00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,669
- What needs to be pumped,
you know it.
477
00:24:37,492 --> 00:24:39,405
And the wind come against you
478
00:24:39,405 --> 00:24:43,514
for to understand ... in
Words can not really explain.
479
00:24:44,122 --> 00:24:45,255
- Come this way.
480
00:24:47,046 --> 00:24:51,136
- There are neighbors practicing target shooting
here, come here.
481
00:24:54,636 --> 00:24:56,567
- Hope you do not connect it.
- IT IS !
482
00:24:56,598 --> 00:24:57,317
- Take care.
483
00:24:59,475 --> 00:25:00,475
- Look at this...
484
00:25:02,754 --> 00:25:03,317
- Oh!
485
00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:06,771
- I do not think we can get
much closer. There is a fence.
486
00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:12,628
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10!
10 Buildings.
487
00:25:12,686 --> 00:25:15,242
- My father is bedridden right here,
behind me...
488
00:25:15,242 --> 00:25:18,935
- His father, Julien,
He is dying of cancer.
489
00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:22,238
- And you can not leave the house.
Never.
490
00:25:23,224 --> 00:25:26,554
- I hope we never see another pig ...
491
00:25:27,186 --> 00:25:28,186
or a pig farm.
492
00:25:29,531 --> 00:25:32,676
Because I can not breathe, I can not
do anything.
493
00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:38,154
If you go down there and happen
catch a fish, you know what flavor it?
494
00:25:39,766 --> 00:25:41,494
It is no longer a fish.
495
00:25:42,613 --> 00:25:44,984
You are ... eating shit.
496
00:25:46,069 --> 00:25:48,954
There were many times
I fell out there ...
497
00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:55,649
- You walked out there and fell,
just because of the smell?
498
00:25:55,688 --> 00:25:56,387
- Yup!
499
00:25:56,867 --> 00:25:59,261
- If you can not breathe,
what can you do?
500
00:25:59,484 --> 00:26:03,965
When you work a lifetime and not
You can go out and do anything,
501
00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:04,922
It is unfortunate!
502
00:26:06,088 --> 00:26:08,952
- Just for a piece of meat.
503
00:26:09,336 --> 00:26:12,631
- One day, I drove my
Production of pigs
504
00:26:12,631 --> 00:26:18,719
and stopped at a shop where we used
buy sandwiches ...
505
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:22,802
- Don Web had a pig farm.
But chose to close it.
506
00:26:23,201 --> 00:26:26,653
- The waste air between us, we had
to inhale that stinky stuff,
507
00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:30,942
they may have taken too man here,
but not very human.
508
00:26:31,035 --> 00:26:35,160
- The pork industry wants
people think they are the owners
509
00:26:35,185 --> 00:26:37,382
Happy farms,
farms of "SEO John."
510
00:26:37,382 --> 00:26:41,032
And they are old-fashioned farms.
511
00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:43,194
But better late than never, the truth,
512
00:26:43,194 --> 00:26:50,407
Small farms have not used
2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20 thousand piglets at one point.
513
00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:55,228
- And that comes from the tanks, which come
that operation with pigs behind.
514
00:26:55,542 --> 00:26:57,801
- Are espreiando ...
- What are espreiando?
515
00:26:57,801 --> 00:27:00,757
- Feces and urine pork
coming from the tanks.
516
00:27:03,041 --> 00:27:07,497
- I am an American, I am not a Democrat,
I am not a Republican: I am an American!
517
00:27:07,602 --> 00:27:10,080
And the US has priority,
not a political party.
518
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,426
nor a $ 1 bill.
519
00:27:11,426 --> 00:27:11,426
520
00:27:11,426 --> 00:27:15,982
People in the US, descência
and honor, we have to warn each other,
521
00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:18,428
that pollute my stream,
522
00:27:18,428 --> 00:27:20,559
pollute my water,
523
00:27:20,761 --> 00:27:23,589
to do stink my air
it's wrong!
524
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:25,787
- ________ They are your sources?
525
00:27:25,787 --> 00:27:30,270
They are a stinking pile
so many American homes with
526
00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:33,651
with feces and urine sheds
corporate clubs.
527
00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:35,347
- It happens all over the country.
528
00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:41,651
And not only with pigs, they are with chickens,
turkeys, cattle, dairy, ...
529
00:27:41,651 --> 00:27:43,722
these are all based industries
in cattle,
530
00:27:43,722 --> 00:27:46,304
this industry abutting and fattening
animals.
531
00:27:46,375 --> 00:27:47,375
They are there.
532
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,386
And what's out there, I see,
It is criminal.
533
00:27:55,075 --> 00:27:57,622
- As soon as someone can take
mind that pigs
534
00:27:57,672 --> 00:28:00,113
They are as smart as dogs,
535
00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,461
they have complex social life,
in the wild,
536
00:28:02,461 --> 00:28:05,866
They form matriarchal groups
permanent.
537
00:28:05,895 --> 00:28:09,682
These are created pigs
for slaughter.
538
00:28:09,682 --> 00:28:12,215
... For flesh, bacon,
What it will be.
539
00:28:12,848 --> 00:28:18,598
Some individuals begin to chew
or eat the tails of others.
540
00:28:18,598 --> 00:28:21,187
In the wild, this
It never happens.
541
00:28:21,187 --> 00:28:27,026
If you cut the tail, reduces
occurrence of this behavior.
542
00:28:27,026 --> 00:28:31,283
So if cut pig tail
when it is no more than a puppy.
543
00:28:31,283 --> 00:28:37,290
Castration is another mutilations standard
that happen everywhere.
544
00:28:38,006 --> 00:28:42,239
In pigs, it is done without anesthetic.
They ...
545
00:28:42,239 --> 00:28:46,867
They basically use a scalpel
and to tear open
546
00:28:47,246 --> 00:28:50,046
the testes are removed,
physically.
547
00:28:50,306 --> 00:28:51,528
The pig screams.
548
00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,769
I mean, when are screams galore
being castrated
549
00:28:58,995 --> 00:29:01,808
- I would not do that with dogs,
which also castrate,
550
00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:04,605
always with anesthetic.
551
00:29:04,689 --> 00:29:06,241
-The Things start
to change.
552
00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:10,458
But while this film is released,
million parent nuts
553
00:29:10,458 --> 00:29:13,771
that they were used to bring the pigs
we use for food
554
00:29:13,771 --> 00:29:16,134
They passed her pregnancy
4 months
555
00:29:16,134 --> 00:29:19,612
in cages 2m x 0.6m.
556
00:29:19,612 --> 00:29:21,935
They are named after
"gestation crates."
557
00:29:22,226 --> 00:29:25,346
- It is essentially cloistered
all the time.
558
00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:29,467
There, she can get up and lie down.
But can not get around.
559
00:29:29,467 --> 00:29:32,936
The animals will becoming
less and less sensitive
560
00:29:32,936 --> 00:29:34,451
to environmental stimuli.
561
00:29:34,451 --> 00:29:37,705
It seems even if they quit.
They do not call anymore.
562
00:29:37,705 --> 00:29:41,298
It looks the same behavior
catatonic people
563
00:29:41,298 --> 00:29:43,770
with very severe depression.
564
00:29:43,891 --> 00:29:49,396
It is certainly much stronger and intense
than it would with a human.
565
00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:51,627
- This is Sarah Friday,
for the New Yorker,
566
00:29:51,652 --> 00:29:53,877
(Daphne Merkin)
and now I write for the magazine
567
00:29:53,902 --> 00:29:55,069
the Sunday Times.
568
00:29:55,069 --> 00:29:57,577
Last month of May,
I wrote a long article
569
00:29:57,577 --> 00:30:02,033
about being hospitalized for depression
and experience from that.
570
00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:06,823
I was in the building,
Depression of the unit.
571
00:30:07,543 --> 00:30:11,162
I would say that sorrow is more tolerable,
as an emotion.
572
00:30:11,916 --> 00:30:13,630
I think it's more ...
573
00:30:15,131 --> 00:30:17,407
Much more hopeless.
574
00:30:17,845 --> 00:30:20,116
I do not think anyone is
in severe depression
575
00:30:20,116 --> 00:30:21,122
for 2 years.
576
00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:22,705
Just do not think.
577
00:30:23,427 --> 00:30:24,575
- You could not?
578
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:28,248
- My feeling is you
would not support ...
579
00:30:28,602 --> 00:30:30,390
Not if it is severe, severe.
580
00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:31,900
- How would you know?
581
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:33,096
- I think that kills you.
582
00:30:34,654 --> 00:30:37,284
- They are less locked when
out to pasture?
583
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:37,976
- Ah yes!
584
00:30:38,284 --> 00:30:40,555
- They have friends and ...
585
00:30:40,555 --> 00:30:44,296
- And I have special friends,
particular with each other?
586
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,114
- Yes. For example, often
animals arriving together,
587
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,613
They tend to stay together for life.
588
00:30:51,074 --> 00:30:56,163
- When a die of cows is
really very painful for everyone.
589
00:30:56,163 --> 00:30:58,361
They lament, friends.
They're friends!
590
00:30:58,361 --> 00:31:01,817
- And the cows that spend their time
with specific cows
591
00:31:01,817 --> 00:31:03,585
veil, mourn for that cow?
- Yup.
592
00:31:03,771 --> 00:31:07,569
- It is found that the cattle raised for meat
It seems to suffer less abuse.
593
00:31:07,631 --> 00:31:10,734
They spend the first half of its
life on a ranch.
594
00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:13,711
Nevertheless, also undergo
painful mutilations.
595
00:31:13,711 --> 00:31:16,883
- Never witnessed castration
in bulls.
596
00:31:16,883 --> 00:31:20,184
Not exactly how it's done,
which procedure involved.
597
00:31:20,345 --> 00:31:22,656
- Presumably you're lucky.
- HaHa! Yup!
598
00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,698
- The bulls will be transported by
containment corridors
599
00:31:24,698 --> 00:31:26,517
and are fed with grain
that their stomachs
600
00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:28,290
They are not prepared
to digest.
601
00:31:29,166 --> 00:31:32,645
(Dairy Cattle Farm
Of Southern California)
602
00:31:37,526 --> 00:31:39,605
- Matrix factory farms.
603
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:42,545
- Good...
604
00:31:43,251 --> 00:31:48,097
It seems that the front bays are empty
but those behind are full.
605
00:31:49,399 --> 00:31:50,266
Hello how are you?
606
00:31:50,266 --> 00:31:51,482
- Good.
- Good!
607
00:31:51,829 --> 00:31:53,695
- Hi, my name is Mark.
608
00:31:53,695 --> 00:31:55,196
- Ah okay,
off there.
609
00:31:55,196 --> 00:31:58,523
- Tava wondering if someone could
talk about the activity here ...
610
00:31:58,523 --> 00:32:00,256
I would not know who's here,
but ...
611
00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:02,269
- No one?
612
00:32:02,902 --> 00:32:04,852
- I do not do those things here.
613
00:32:05,136 --> 00:32:07,527
- Is there any reason? You just
It is not in the mood or ...
614
00:32:07,527 --> 00:32:09,084
- It's something we do not.
615
00:32:09,308 --> 00:32:09,851
- Uh ...
616
00:32:10,574 --> 00:32:12,073
- They tried to shoot before?
617
00:32:12,348 --> 00:32:13,415
- Yes, they tried.
618
00:32:14,042 --> 00:32:16,939
- (________ Some or you Decided it)?
- IT IS...
619
00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:19,830
- Do you know...
- But ... ah!
620
00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:22,724
There is a large percentage of
dairy cows that are
621
00:32:22,724 --> 00:32:25,535
in virtual confinement and not grow
in the pasture, in any way.
622
00:32:25,545 --> 00:32:26,406
(Temple Grandin, PhD - Department Science.
Animal - University of Colorado)
623
00:32:26,431 --> 00:32:28,227
And then I see a lot of trouble
with well-being.
624
00:32:28,252 --> 00:32:29,381
One is limp.
625
00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:32,056
The incidence in the dairy herd
National is 24%.
626
00:32:32,056 --> 00:32:33,842
- Lameness, I mean
they, they do not ...
627
00:32:33,842 --> 00:32:36,745
- They are lame, you know.
With walking difficulties.
628
00:32:36,745 --> 00:32:38,531
Wounds in the feet, legs.
629
00:32:38,531 --> 00:32:41,017
And, you know, they walk
but they will limping.
630
00:32:41,313 --> 00:32:45,505
- Even worse, I discovered that many of them
They can not walk at all
631
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,081
when it comes time to slaughter.
632
00:32:47,081 --> 00:32:51,174
Because of the high levels of stress
Physical lifelong.
633
00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:55,425
There are numerous suffering from
very painful infection in the breast.
634
00:32:55,425 --> 00:32:57,121
It mastitis.
635
00:32:57,121 --> 00:32:59,551
One symptom of mastitis is
636
00:32:59,551 --> 00:33:01,926
pus and blood coming out
in milk.
637
00:33:02,112 --> 00:33:05,569
- The link between mothers and their children
It's very strong.
638
00:33:05,569 --> 00:33:07,674
Not only in humans, but
in all mammals.
639
00:33:07,674 --> 00:33:10,728
To keep that milk production,
you have to let her have a cow,
640
00:33:10,753 --> 00:33:11,520
from time to time.
641
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,314
And let's not let her caring
the calf - because we want milk.
642
00:33:14,347 --> 00:33:15,909
Then the calf is taken away.
643
00:33:16,116 --> 00:33:17,799
Shortly after it was born.
644
00:33:18,179 --> 00:33:19,354
AND...
645
00:33:19,354 --> 00:33:21,923
this causes a big cow
lasting anguish
646
00:33:21,923 --> 00:33:24,606
The obstacle is a calf gate.
Gate of anguish.
647
00:33:24,606 --> 00:33:28,279
Sometimes the calf is placed in a
kind of kennel,
648
00:33:28,606 --> 00:33:30,499
somewhere near the mother.
649
00:33:30,825 --> 00:33:32,781
And the mother can hear the calf calling.
650
00:33:32,781 --> 00:33:36,817
And the cows call the calves.
651
00:33:37,148 --> 00:33:39,518
It is a back-and-forth.
652
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,985
It's quite distressing to hear,
as a matter of fact.
653
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,264
- Have you heard?
- Ah yes. Ah yes.
654
00:33:45,686 --> 00:33:47,394
- Many activist groups for animals
655
00:33:47,394 --> 00:33:51,876
They pressed for major renovations.
And major reforms took place.
656
00:33:52,249 --> 00:33:55,001
- Well, it was time to revisit
PETA.
657
00:33:55,171 --> 00:33:56,717
As we begin to PETA,
658
00:33:56,717 --> 00:34:00,538
I think I never imagined
sit in a meeting room
659
00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:03,967
a large company
animal production.
660
00:34:04,219 --> 00:34:07,160
Or raise questions
before shareholders decisions.
661
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,889
But of course, because we did that,
this persuasion and pressure,
662
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:12,742
what we call "PETA-push"
663
00:34:12,742 --> 00:34:15,241
we noticed big changes.
664
00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:17,708
- Also I went back to speak to Bruce.
665
00:34:17,882 --> 00:34:20,899
He's taking a few years to
teaching in a public school,
666
00:34:20,899 --> 00:34:23,360
while doing his master's degree in
Johns Hospkins.
667
00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:25,131
(Bruce Friedrich - PETA)
- When we campaign against
668
00:34:25,131 --> 00:34:28,728
the MCDonalds and convinced the
change of stance on
669
00:34:28,728 --> 00:34:30,159
the slaughter of chickens,
670
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,672
to reduce the number of animals
They are fully aware,
671
00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:38,968
they went into the field and made them
go the industrial average of 8 -
672
00:34:38,968 --> 00:34:43,235
and some cages had up to 11 birds -
for up to 5 birds.
673
00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:48,507
- It's still disgusting, like chickens, pigs
and turkeys are treated, but
674
00:34:48,507 --> 00:34:50,150
great changes have happened.
675
00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:53,695
- We are here at headquarters
US Humane Society,
676
00:34:53,695 --> 00:34:55,286
in Gathesburg, Maryland.
677
00:34:55,286 --> 00:34:57,070
- It is a beautiful headquarters.
678
00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:57,970
- Thank you.
679
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,362
(Paul Shapiro)
- The Humane Society of the United States
680
00:35:00,362 --> 00:35:02,027
It is the greatest protection association
World Animal.
681
00:35:02,027 --> 00:35:05,087
The vast majority of animals is
exploited by humans.
682
00:35:05,087 --> 00:35:06,749
Some of them are created to
They are food.
683
00:35:06,749 --> 00:35:11,181
And we believe very much in their suffering,
trying to banish some of the practices
684
00:35:11,181 --> 00:35:15,388
most inhumane and cruel against
those animals confined.
685
00:35:15,493 --> 00:35:19,625
- I am a partner at Cooper Law Firm,
a very large law firm,
686
00:35:19,625 --> 00:35:21,528
(David Wolfson)
with about 500 lawyers,
687
00:35:21,528 --> 00:35:22,744
on Wall Street.
688
00:35:22,743 --> 00:35:24,569
I care for major acquisitions.
689
00:35:24,569 --> 00:35:27,812
It's my day-to-day.
690
00:35:27,812 --> 00:35:30,604
At the same time, I
691
00:35:30,605 --> 00:35:31,799
voluntary professional work.
692
00:35:31,824 --> 00:35:35,756
Then represent animal sanctuaries and
other animal protection groups,
693
00:35:35,756 --> 00:35:39,738
in the protection area for animals
farm, specifically.
694
00:35:39,738 --> 00:35:42,201
Also education laws about animals
New York University
695
00:35:42,201 --> 00:35:43,835
and Columbia Law School.
And I write.
696
00:35:43,835 --> 00:35:45,618
So it's a combination of different things.
697
00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:47,920
- That's it?
- Yeah, that's it.
698
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,837
- You are one of the few
people behind
699
00:35:50,837 --> 00:35:53,619
of the first major changes
700
00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:56,396
for animal factory farms.
- Yup.
701
00:35:56,396 --> 00:35:57,881
- Yes it's true.
702
00:35:57,881 --> 00:36:00,767
- In the early 2000s,
in 2002
703
00:36:00,767 --> 00:36:03,948
the state of Florida banned
gestation crates.
704
00:36:03,948 --> 00:36:08,384
In 2006, the state of Arizona has banned
the crate gestation and veal.
705
00:36:08,384 --> 00:36:13,206
In 2008, in California, they
banned the two and battery cages.
706
00:36:13,206 --> 00:36:16,691
I think it's always exciting
be present when
707
00:36:16,722 --> 00:36:20,103
a significant movement
social justice begins.
708
00:36:20,253 --> 00:36:22,696
- Compared with the previous decade,
709
00:36:22,696 --> 00:36:25,726
this last decade had great
changes in terms of animals
710
00:36:25,726 --> 00:36:29,683
farm gain gradually new
protections that until then had not.
711
00:36:29,683 --> 00:36:32,126
Admitting that we still have a
long road ahead.
712
00:36:32,126 --> 00:36:35,660
- But the industry is also
doing something else ...
713
00:36:35,674 --> 00:36:39,064
- Any group that is effective
address the industry,
714
00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:43,061
and PETA is coming together in
5 different industries, at least.
715
00:36:43,061 --> 00:36:45,340
will lead buckshot.
716
00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:48,942
These industries will, in fact,
by any means necessary,
717
00:36:48,942 --> 00:36:52,292
trying to overthrow you, attack you,
challenge your role.
718
00:36:52,292 --> 00:36:55,892
And they have front groups,
who do this for them.
719
00:36:56,037 --> 00:36:58,897
- He seemed to assume that I knew
who were "front groups" and
720
00:36:58,981 --> 00:37:00,660
so I did not ask.
721
00:37:01,029 --> 00:37:01,832
- For him.
722
00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,535
- What are these "front groups"?
What is all this?
723
00:37:04,582 --> 00:37:05,405
(Melanie Sloan - Citizens for
Responsibility and Ethics in Whashington)
724
00:37:05,405 --> 00:37:10,262
- A "front group" is formed by
corporate interests
725
00:37:10,261 --> 00:37:14,365
not wanting to be associated with
ideals that the "front group" promotes.
726
00:37:14,365 --> 00:37:18,196
There are charities or
social assistance who do not have
727
00:37:18,196 --> 00:37:19,524
to reveal who their donors.
728
00:37:19,549 --> 00:37:24,938
Generally, they will use ads and websites
evil, aggressive.
729
00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:29,023
The pig industry will almost always
fight back, but not advocating the cages,
730
00:37:29,023 --> 00:37:33,850
but paying front groups to attack
the Humane Society.
731
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:35,492
- Deliberademente,
lead people to believe that
732
00:37:35,517 --> 00:37:38,766
that group is engaged in a
Because it is not.
733
00:37:38,828 --> 00:37:41,584
- For example, "they are not using
their funds properly ", or
734
00:37:41,584 --> 00:37:44,151
"There is a real interest
behind it all "...
735
00:37:44,151 --> 00:37:46,612
- From a small
error in one area, will
736
00:37:46,637 --> 00:37:49,018
use that to try
undermine the credibility
737
00:37:49,018 --> 00:37:50,859
the organization in any matter.
738
00:37:50,912 --> 00:37:53,330
- Use name calling, ...
- "Radicals"?
739
00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:55,695
- "That group is hardcore,
extremist "
740
00:37:55,712 --> 00:37:58,365
- Go to suggest that you are wrong:
"Oh, just complain," or
741
00:37:58,365 --> 00:37:59,282
"just cry."
742
00:37:59,390 --> 00:38:04,155
- You'll see groups being called
hypocrites, or,
743
00:38:04,155 --> 00:38:06,199
It is called ...
744
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:09,420
Ah ... ah
I do not know what else can call.
745
00:38:09,512 --> 00:38:12,114
- So go to the public website
that industry
746
00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:14,624
and see how they respond
criticism of.
747
00:38:14,766 --> 00:38:17,020
In most cases, people
have to be skeptical when
748
00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,263
see ads like these,
749
00:38:19,263 --> 00:38:22,336
it's likely that there is a
big business behind it ....
750
00:38:22,391 --> 00:38:26,925
You have to think about which sector
might wish to promote
751
00:38:26,937 --> 00:38:30,454
this opinion and does not want you to know.
It is up to you.
752
00:38:30,454 --> 00:38:33,551
- That got me to thinking:
"And if you could go back?"
753
00:38:33,551 --> 00:38:36,632
Back to the past and talk
with these people
754
00:38:36,632 --> 00:38:38,535
before you have to
made female farmers.
755
00:38:40,555 --> 00:38:42,488
- Well, there's a place for everything.
756
00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:45,201
The "Convention for the Future
US farmers "
757
00:38:45,201 --> 00:38:46,931
in Indianapolis, Indiana.
758
00:38:47,202 --> 00:38:49,535
For people who are female farmers.
759
00:38:50,249 --> 00:38:51,249
In the future.
760
00:38:51,752 --> 00:38:54,203
- Imitate a chicken!
761
00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:01,658
- That Chicken!
- Uh-hul!
762
00:39:01,786 --> 00:39:05,287
The FFA goes well beyond
"Future Farmers"
763
00:39:05,581 --> 00:39:08,322
But there was still more than
enough at present.
764
00:39:08,676 --> 00:39:10,492
- Why, I say,
if you think this is cruel?
765
00:39:10,661 --> 00:39:14,102
... We have 9000 pigs
in 2 buildings ...
766
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:18,554
there is something like ...
100 pigs per pen?
767
00:39:19,165 --> 00:39:23,745
But if not ... and if it was good
for pigs,
768
00:39:23,745 --> 00:39:25,519
They would not be doing it.
769
00:39:25,582 --> 00:39:27,771
- And that "my pig feeds
your model student "?
770
00:39:27,771 --> 00:39:29,274
- Is it really feeds.
771
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:34,744
- ... As the cage of gestation, who were
banned in California and ...
772
00:39:34,744 --> 00:39:37,102
Do you have any thoughts on this?
773
00:39:37,102 --> 00:39:40,352
- I do not like, specifically ....
774
00:39:40,352 --> 00:39:43,303
it's all aimed at money,
when you call for it.
775
00:39:43,303 --> 00:39:48,164
and ... it costs more than you give ... so
not worth it to have.
776
00:39:48,456 --> 00:39:50,486
- So ... I thought I had one
view all
777
00:39:50,486 --> 00:39:52,697
and was to follow
trip when Bruce
778
00:39:52,697 --> 00:39:54,431
He said something quite unexpected.
779
00:39:54,953 --> 00:39:58,685
- When you get this idea
"I can do that to you,
780
00:39:58,685 --> 00:40:00,319
then I'll do it with you "
781
00:40:00,319 --> 00:40:03,377
the peak of this form of
"superiority"
782
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:08,221
the peak of this form of racism
It is speciesism.
783
00:40:08,577 --> 00:40:09,577
- Wait.
784
00:40:11,112 --> 00:40:12,379
(spec-ism)
- What?
785
00:40:12,551 --> 00:40:15,961
- It seems that there is much more
going on behind it all ...
786
00:40:16,131 --> 00:40:18,832
There is a philosophical question
much deeper.
787
00:40:20,822 --> 00:40:23,052
- I went to Raleigh, North Carolina.
788
00:40:23,632 --> 00:40:25,919
- Earth's largest nut in the world.
789
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:29,150
- What do you think of it?
- It is beautiful!
790
00:40:29,837 --> 00:40:32,704
- And also Dr. Tom Regan earth,
791
00:40:32,704 --> 00:40:34,390
author of the influential book
792
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:35,934
"The case for animal rights."
793
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:40,544
Back in New York, I spoke to
Dale Jameson,
794
00:40:40,544 --> 00:40:44,526
director of the Center for Environmental Studies,
the University of New York.
795
00:40:46,412 --> 00:40:50,121
- Then I went to Whashington, talk to
David DeGrazia,
796
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,703
Professor in the Department. Philosophy
George Washington University.
797
00:40:55,016 --> 00:40:58,133
Also went to "New York Ethics" talk
with Sheryl Cole,
798
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,136
teacher in college
Right Cornell.
799
00:41:01,346 --> 00:41:04,500
And the New Jersey, New York,
talk to Gary Francione,
800
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:06,697
professor at the College
Right to Rutger.
801
00:41:08,187 --> 00:41:10,611
- If we think of that
and more
802
00:41:10,611 --> 00:41:13,303
clear and certain in
Ethics,
803
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,970
which basic ideas
804
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:18,748
They are accepted in all
moral systems,
805
00:41:18,748 --> 00:41:22,427
regardless of
their major differences,
806
00:41:22,427 --> 00:41:26,049
It is that we must not hurt people
without a very good reason.
807
00:41:26,049 --> 00:41:27,879
- There is a principle in damage
basically states
808
00:41:27,879 --> 00:41:31,226
that everything else being equal,
it is wrong to cause damage.
809
00:41:31,226 --> 00:41:35,616
- Is Speciesism
using species.
810
00:41:35,616 --> 00:41:38,593
Delete some of the beings
moral community.
811
00:41:38,593 --> 00:41:42,730
Beings who are, in a relevant way,
Similar to members of the moral community.
812
00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:46,877
And this exclusion is based
only in species.
813
00:41:46,876 --> 00:41:48,981
It's like racism or sexism in
that has
814
00:41:48,982 --> 00:41:52,586
relevantly similar individuals,
some a moral communion,
815
00:41:52,585 --> 00:41:55,649
and others are excluded
grounds of race or sex.
816
00:41:55,649 --> 00:41:58,798
- Speciesism, as I understand, is
817
00:41:58,798 --> 00:42:04,509
exclude members of other species
our ...
818
00:42:04,509 --> 00:42:07,131
the field of moral concern.
819
00:42:07,131 --> 00:42:11,524
Just because these individuals are
members of other species.
820
00:42:11,524 --> 00:42:15,621
- The main idea of Speciesism
is quite the same, it is analogous
821
00:42:15,621 --> 00:42:17,729
to that found in
sexism and racism,
822
00:42:17,729 --> 00:42:21,729
where there is a prejudice in favor
some, against each other.
823
00:42:22,846 --> 00:42:25,930
- Peter Singer is considered
the founder of animal rights,
824
00:42:25,987 --> 00:42:29,580
by virtue of his 1975 book,
"Animal Liberation".
825
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:33,493
- There are many philosophy books
a bit more significant in terms
826
00:42:33,493 --> 00:42:35,762
change world,
changes in people.
827
00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:39,209
- It's almost impossible
exaggerate its significance.
828
00:42:39,209 --> 00:42:42,520
- He is now Professor of Bioethics
at Princeton University
829
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,951
and considered one of the philosophers
most influential in the world, still alive.
830
00:42:46,275 --> 00:42:49,307
- I titled the first chapter
Animal Liberation
831
00:42:49,307 --> 00:42:51,026
of "All animals
they are the same"
832
00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:52,789
and what they meant by
it was
833
00:42:52,789 --> 00:42:55,386
we should give them
consideration equivalent
834
00:42:55,386 --> 00:42:56,441
on your interests.
835
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:58,475
Whatever these
their interests.
836
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:02,048
That's not to say
give them equal treatment,
837
00:43:02,048 --> 00:43:03,530
because they have
diverse interests.
838
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:05,336
By the time they have an interest,
for example,
839
00:43:05,336 --> 00:43:07,443
of interest
I do not feel pain,
840
00:43:07,443 --> 00:43:09,621
It should be irrelevant
841
00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:13,582
if they are members of a species
homo sapiens, or
842
00:43:13,582 --> 00:43:18,306
Pan troglodytes (chimpanzee), or
Galus domesticus (called hens)
843
00:43:18,306 --> 00:43:19,002
or whatever,
844
00:43:19,018 --> 00:43:21,862
what does this have to do with "how
bad you feel pain? "
845
00:43:21,862 --> 00:43:25,489
- Obviously, there must be something
wrong with their argument.
846
00:43:25,489 --> 00:43:29,666
So did my research and found
all possible objections.
847
00:43:29,666 --> 00:43:33,132
- It's only natural
that we use other animals?
848
00:43:34,322 --> 00:43:37,974
- Well, the problem with
concept of "natural"
849
00:43:37,974 --> 00:43:41,546
It is that it means a lot,
but many things even.
850
00:43:41,546 --> 00:43:44,246
- Maybe even war is natural,
since there is an argument
851
00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:46,488
stating that war is natural
to humans,
852
00:43:46,488 --> 00:43:48,079
we always did,
853
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,142
since the days when
We got records.
854
00:43:50,142 --> 00:43:52,085
But that does not mean we
We should not try to stop her.
855
00:43:52,085 --> 00:43:54,608
We have the cost of war,
the suffering involved,
856
00:43:54,608 --> 00:43:57,110
and do the best
to prevent wars.
857
00:43:57,181 --> 00:43:58,110
- Rape is perhaps natural.
858
00:43:58,824 --> 00:44:04,278
The rape for ... for men
Strong can be natural,
859
00:44:04,278 --> 00:44:07,448
in some sense, and adapted
Biologically for this.
860
00:44:07,448 --> 00:44:10,621
And, as seen in the world is less,
It could be morally justified.
861
00:44:10,916 --> 00:44:14,734
- I could not find anyone who
I think a way to put
862
00:44:14,734 --> 00:44:16,552
nature as an argument
ethical.
863
00:44:16,552 --> 00:44:19,229
Then finally,
I found someone.
864
00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:21,379
- Yes, we are still there.
865
00:44:21,379 --> 00:44:25,633
The SS never effectively died,
and SS is still bearing fruit.
866
00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:31,418
When a man can take a country
defeated, that is in shambles,
867
00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:33,168
and in less than 4 years
868
00:44:33,168 --> 00:44:36,960
turn it in one of the
major powers that already existed,
869
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,509
we have, in spite of everything,
look ahead and admit success.
870
00:44:42,928 --> 00:44:46,595
- Man giving this panorama
871
00:44:46,595 --> 00:44:48,223
is Lieutenant Schneider.
872
00:44:48,396 --> 00:44:52,062
An officer of high rank in
US Nazi party.
873
00:44:53,931 --> 00:44:56,420
- Why should we follow
the laws of nature?
874
00:44:57,527 --> 00:45:00,439
- Nature is smarter
than we suppose.
875
00:45:00,439 --> 00:45:03,307
When we realize the
Nature is much wiser than us.
876
00:45:03,307 --> 00:45:07,159
Any type of weed,
I say, by the laws of nature
877
00:45:08,402 --> 00:45:10,109
It should be naturally
878
00:45:10,698 --> 00:45:13,490
repressed and you,
permanently.
879
00:45:13,954 --> 00:45:16,803
- A trial for the second
time in this country illegally,
880
00:45:17,049 --> 00:45:19,332
should ensure implementation
immediate.
881
00:45:19,395 --> 00:45:21,430
- OK, I think it does not.
882
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:24,518
But there must be something special
on humans.
883
00:45:24,518 --> 00:45:25,378
I mean ...
884
00:45:25,648 --> 00:45:26,769
We are smarter ...
885
00:45:26,769 --> 00:45:29,442
- Well, at least most of
of us are.
886
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:31,287
Babies are not.
887
00:45:32,065 --> 00:45:37,268
The mentally disabled
of all ages are not.
888
00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:41,176
- If you can say that intelligence
It is the foundation for
889
00:45:41,176 --> 00:45:42,996
inclusion in the moral community,
890
00:45:43,188 --> 00:45:46,510
and you can tell that primates
non-human may be more
891
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:47,369
intelligent than some
humans - but
892
00:45:47,391 --> 00:45:50,045
they do not belong, as members,
the moral community -
893
00:45:50,045 --> 00:45:52,138
and those humans belong -
894
00:45:52,705 --> 00:45:54,717
It sounds like a contradiction to me.
895
00:45:54,867 --> 00:45:56,825
- No, that does not account well.
896
00:45:56,825 --> 00:45:58,283
How about...
897
00:45:58,468 --> 00:46:02,723
- Animals have no sense of morality,
so why should we include them in it?
898
00:46:02,983 --> 00:46:05,883
- Well, children do not have
sense of morality ...
899
00:46:05,883 --> 00:46:07,478
- And do not speak of them.
900
00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:13,056
Babies and those who are
seriously weakened.
901
00:46:13,056 --> 00:46:16,448
We do not say "we are released
to do deliberately what
902
00:46:16,448 --> 00:46:18,806
we want with them. They must
exist for us. "
903
00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:20,689
- Damn! They got me again!
904
00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:23,188
I began to get very desperate.
905
00:46:23,434 --> 00:46:25,588
- They seem completely
different from us.
906
00:46:26,698 --> 00:46:30,292
- A different look not
interests at all!
907
00:46:30,292 --> 00:46:32,480
- Can not be used as a
argument against animal rights?
908
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,146
- Do not think so.
909
00:46:34,146 --> 00:46:37,076
I do not think the look
I could care ...
910
00:46:37,076 --> 00:46:40,006
As well as the appearance of
man-elephant is
911
00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,581
very different appearance
of other human beings.
912
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,704
It has no relevance to
their moral status.
913
00:46:45,929 --> 00:46:50,032
- If we try to say that human
They have a specific quality
914
00:46:50,032 --> 00:46:53,690
What distinguishes them as superior,
915
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:57,458
or worthy of higher moral consideration
which, for example, pigs,
916
00:46:57,458 --> 00:47:02,603
I think we need to think about
the fact that there
917
00:47:02,603 --> 00:47:06,045
members of our "human community"
918
00:47:06,045 --> 00:47:09,287
we believe they are entitled
the formal consideration, but
919
00:47:09,287 --> 00:47:14,319
who do not have the quality we
we find so important.
920
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,845
Or who have this quality
to a certain degree
921
00:47:16,845 --> 00:47:20,761
comparable to an ordinary member
other species such as a pig.
922
00:47:20,761 --> 00:47:22,247
Pigs are very intelligent.
923
00:47:22,354 --> 00:47:23,494
- What have we here?
924
00:47:23,494 --> 00:47:26,021
- Ham sandwich
with radish,
925
00:47:26,095 --> 00:47:29,577
a little cheese and butter to
help give a smeared.
926
00:47:31,103 --> 00:47:32,754
- It is a collective residence for
927
00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:35,294
- Do not call us
Ba community -
928
00:47:35,294 --> 00:47:39,260
for people living with people
with disabilities.
929
00:47:39,296 --> 00:47:41,619
- By knowing this place,
I realized that,
930
00:47:41,619 --> 00:47:45,633
no matter what characteristic we
We believe to be unique to humans,
931
00:47:45,633 --> 00:47:48,659
some level of intelligence,
language,
932
00:47:48,659 --> 00:47:51,168
the ability to form
a social agreement,
933
00:47:51,168 --> 00:47:53,384
to enter into agreements
consensual,
934
00:47:53,384 --> 00:47:55,692
thinking and acting under
ethical principles,
935
00:47:55,692 --> 00:47:57,764
No matter what criteria we
us use to
936
00:47:57,764 --> 00:48:00,642
believe that our suffering is
more important,
937
00:48:00,642 --> 00:48:04,815
there will always be some that human
will not have that characteristic.
938
00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:08,650
And it's not that these people are
included in the ethics behind the scenes,
939
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:11,527
intruders around people
that really matter,
940
00:48:11,527 --> 00:48:15,306
we believe that they matter,
ethically themselves.
941
00:48:15,344 --> 00:48:17,688
- I wanted to say "But they are
humans!".
942
00:48:17,735 --> 00:48:19,698
- But just let me
justify
943
00:48:19,698 --> 00:48:22,610
trying to address the issue
of belonging to a species,
944
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:23,386
again.
945
00:48:23,657 --> 00:48:25,911
And the more I thought
about this.
946
00:48:25,911 --> 00:48:28,091
As obvious as it may seem that
947
00:48:28,091 --> 00:48:32,683
Ethics has to do with those
other characteristics first,
948
00:48:32,683 --> 00:48:36,522
this is why humans with
disabilities are included in Ethics.
949
00:48:36,522 --> 00:48:40,601
What matters it had to be the
characteristics that we share!
950
00:48:40,601 --> 00:48:41,934
- We share...
951
00:48:44,974 --> 00:48:47,033
the ability to rejoice,
952
00:48:47,271 --> 00:48:48,743
the ability of the enervarmos,
953
00:48:49,132 --> 00:48:51,461
sadness,
fear,
954
00:48:52,011 --> 00:48:54,868
what are your resources
true intellectual or ...
955
00:48:54,868 --> 00:48:57,408
make a difference, can be ...
I think we all have ...
956
00:48:57,408 --> 00:49:00,491
shared some
basic needs.
957
00:49:00,491 --> 00:49:04,264
- We all suffer, you know?
We suffer in several ways.
958
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,366
I must be missing something
obvious here
959
00:49:07,683 --> 00:49:09,926
- So I decided to get out of
my thoughts
960
00:49:09,926 --> 00:49:11,568
and just ask
around...
961
00:49:11,704 --> 00:49:14,464
- Do you think the suffering
of humans is ethically
962
00:49:14,464 --> 00:49:16,610
that the suffering of animals?
- Yup.
963
00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:20,317
- And what have humans
that make the most important?
964
00:49:20,317 --> 00:49:25,321
- Ähmmm .. We have capabilities
Higher ...
965
00:49:25,321 --> 00:49:26,953
- What do you mean with
"higher capacities"?
966
00:49:26,953 --> 00:49:28,076
- Mental capacity.
967
00:49:28,076 --> 00:49:30,195
- Many humans do not have
this capability.
968
00:49:30,195 --> 00:49:32,415
We do not have the intellectual capacity ...
- Yes but
969
00:49:32,415 --> 00:49:33,751
- And we do not explore.
970
00:49:33,751 --> 00:49:34,612
- I know.
971
00:49:34,779 --> 00:49:36,573
- Humans have
more value than animals.
972
00:49:36,921 --> 00:49:38,450
- Based on ... based on what?
973
00:49:39,336 --> 00:49:40,336
- Uh ...
974
00:49:42,906 --> 00:49:44,041
- I am a human being.
975
00:49:44,041 --> 00:49:47,383
- I can relate better with
human than animal.
976
00:49:47,383 --> 00:49:50,653
- So if anyone else ... So
It is because you are a member of this group?
977
00:49:51,117 --> 00:49:53,439
- So if someone comes and says
"I'm white and then
978
00:49:53,439 --> 00:49:55,038
blacks are less important ":
would this be ethical?
979
00:49:55,038 --> 00:49:56,084
- No.
980
00:49:56,084 --> 00:49:56,947
- So???
981
00:49:58,007 --> 00:50:00,966
- No matter which color you
It is, you are still a human being.
982
00:50:01,127 --> 00:50:04,472
- And what's so special
"human beings"?
983
00:50:04,906 --> 00:50:08,223
Since he said the reason is
you are a member of a group.
984
00:50:08,223 --> 00:50:09,223
985
00:50:11,278 --> 00:50:12,278
- Tsk ...
986
00:50:14,737 --> 00:50:20,752
- So far, our legal system
only defends human.
987
00:50:20,752 --> 00:50:23,296
- Yes, but only up to a point
advocated white men.
988
00:50:24,522 --> 00:50:27,122
- So the legal system is not
the reason.
989
00:50:27,208 --> 00:50:28,341
- I mean...
990
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:32,862
is ... whatever ...
Excuse me!
991
00:50:32,862 --> 00:50:34,714
- We can talk to us
like humans,
992
00:50:34,714 --> 00:50:37,028
there are opinions ... and we can not
talk to animals!
993
00:50:37,217 --> 00:50:39,070
- Many humans also
They can not do that!
994
00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:43,320
There are many intellectual disabled.
We must consider this Ethics.
995
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,054
So can be the base.
996
00:50:45,148 --> 00:50:46,419
- Teacher, we need to go ...
- IT IS!
997
00:50:46,419 --> 00:50:48,819
- Concepts such as
right or wrong...
998
00:50:48,862 --> 00:50:49,963
- Right or wrong!
999
00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:53,055
- Human, or most of them,
They conceive it.
1000
00:50:53,208 --> 00:50:55,089
- Most?
- IT IS!
1001
00:50:55,397 --> 00:50:58,812
- So those who do not ... they ...
they are left out?
1002
00:50:58,812 --> 00:51:00,212
- What about the babies?
1003
00:51:00,269 --> 00:51:03,356
- It is, they may be less
developed.
1004
00:51:03,357 --> 00:51:05,067
- They are less important,
ethically ...
1005
00:51:05,161 --> 00:51:07,102
Their suffering is less
important, ethically?
1006
00:51:07,102 --> 00:51:08,102
Babies?
1007
00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:11,259
- No, because they have a potential.
- Ah okay.
1008
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:13,652
- So humans with
intellectual disabilities,
1009
00:51:13,652 --> 00:51:15,690
who have the potential,
their suffering
1010
00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:17,850
It is less important?
- No, it is no less important.
1011
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:21,307
- We formed societies,
We interact around the world ...
1012
00:51:21,307 --> 00:51:24,029
- But not many humans
They are capable of this ...
1013
00:51:24,029 --> 00:51:26,647
then this feature
does not match
1014
00:51:26,647 --> 00:51:28,914
"I am a member of the human species."
1015
00:51:31,676 --> 00:51:36,410
- The suffering of the human species
It is ethically wrong and ... I ...
1016
00:51:36,472 --> 00:51:37,528
- Because?
1017
00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:42,153
- Because I tend toward
to my own kind.
1018
00:51:42,338 --> 00:51:44,133
- You are not biased
relation to race well, is it?
1019
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,009
- No.
1020
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,689
- Just checking.
1021
00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:49,500
- I am multiracial, which race
I could possibly ...
1022
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,377
- I mean, you do not seem to be
multiracial and says he is inclined ....
1023
00:51:54,352 --> 00:51:57,001
something could be something more ...
- I am inclined ...
1024
00:51:57,026 --> 00:51:59,098
- I just wanted to make sure
you had nothing but that
1025
00:51:59,152 --> 00:52:00,150
just as the species.
- IT IS...
1026
00:52:00,611 --> 00:52:01,546
- Just checking ...
1027
00:52:02,041 --> 00:52:07,975
- I can not find a
logical reason for Speciesism.
1028
00:52:08,165 --> 00:52:12,565
- Why is it then that I just
Speciesism feel that is justified?
1029
00:52:13,954 --> 00:52:16,287
- We are trained,
very early,
1030
00:52:16,244 --> 00:52:19,276
to think things
in this way.
1031
00:52:19,476 --> 00:52:22,073
- I refuse to believe that
Speciesism is behind it all.
1032
00:52:22,073 --> 00:52:23,178
I refuse.
1033
00:52:23,878 --> 00:52:27,492
- And ... what do you mean?
1034
00:52:27,798 --> 00:52:30,211
You have to have some
kind of argument?
1035
00:52:30,211 --> 00:52:32,523
- That this
You may be right!
1036
00:52:32,785 --> 00:52:34,799
That would make the world as
different.
1037
00:52:35,077 --> 00:52:37,884
That would make what
We make to our animals
1038
00:52:37,884 --> 00:52:40,185
so significant ...
- Right.
1039
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,564
- It's ... it's impossible ...
that is the case, it is concluded ...
1040
00:52:44,626 --> 00:52:46,829
... in the case that
there must be something wrong.
1041
00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:52,661
- Put yourself in the position
a slave in Virginia,
1042
00:52:52,661 --> 00:52:54,473
in, like, 1800.
1043
00:52:55,469 --> 00:52:58,260
- A person in that society,
I could have said the same thing ...
1044
00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:01,140
someone who produce arguments
stating that slavery was wrong.
1045
00:53:01,247 --> 00:53:04,249
- Some, for example, only
They knew,
1046
00:53:04,296 --> 00:53:06,171
without
explanations
1047
00:53:06,216 --> 00:53:08,674
that white people were
higher than black.
1048
00:53:09,451 --> 00:53:11,015
Some people
only they knew.
1049
00:53:11,341 --> 00:53:13,010
Without reasons.
1050
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:15,736
A matter of intuition average,
or average knowledge of that,
1051
00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:17,868
men are superior to women.
1052
00:53:17,868 --> 00:53:21,063
- In all these cases you have
a dominant group, you know?
1053
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:23,114
A group that holds power.
1054
00:53:23,114 --> 00:53:25,681
And who defines himself
as superior.
1055
00:53:25,982 --> 00:53:28,313
And develops an ideology
1056
00:53:28,313 --> 00:53:31,097
to justify this and
exclude others.
1057
00:53:31,153 --> 00:53:34,302
- If we were in 1820
and we had a discussion
1058
00:53:34,334 --> 00:53:35,888
about slavery,
1059
00:53:35,907 --> 00:53:38,766
there would be a consensus:
1060
00:53:38,924 --> 00:53:41,292
Slavery has always existed,
1061
00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:44,363
Slavery is the order
natural things,
1062
00:53:44,363 --> 00:53:46,938
slavery is justified
in the Bible,
1063
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:50,739
... and that is slavery,
hence moral.
1064
00:53:50,828 --> 00:53:54,854
Now, 190 years later,
society has
1065
00:53:54,893 --> 00:53:58,693
diametrically view
opposite of slavery.
1066
00:53:58,910 --> 00:54:01,527
What is relatively
historically
1067
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:02,793
estralar one's fingers.
1068
00:54:02,792 --> 00:54:05,583
It is truly a
short 200 years,
1069
00:54:05,583 --> 00:54:07,008
throughout history.
1070
00:54:07,118 --> 00:54:09,852
We now have a vision
diametrically opposed
1071
00:54:09,852 --> 00:54:11,789
What must we do
with the Animal Liberation
1072
00:54:11,788 --> 00:54:14,825
Ethics is to align with Science.
1073
00:54:14,825 --> 00:54:19,604
Because we know, scientifically,
that other species are cousins.
1074
00:54:19,604 --> 00:54:22,468
We know they feel pain
the same way in the same proportion
1075
00:54:22,468 --> 00:54:25,804
And what we're doing with them
It is a moral atrocity,
1076
00:54:25,804 --> 00:54:30,170
which is justified in the same way,
similarly,
1077
00:54:30,297 --> 00:54:32,479
the atrocities of the past,
as slavery.
1078
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:34,551
(Biology - meeting room)
1079
00:54:34,583 --> 00:54:37,967
- At 200 years of Charles, Charlie,
Chuck pros college friends ...
1080
00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:45,188
And while you eat, remember
the legacy of this man.
1081
00:54:45,511 --> 00:54:48,171
- I thought that biologists had
a special understanding.
1082
00:54:48,171 --> 00:54:52,091
So I went to a party for the anniversary
200 years of Charles Darwin,
1083
00:54:52,091 --> 00:54:54,514
held by the Department of Biology
my university.
1084
00:54:54,791 --> 00:55:01,131
- You can not look at without Biology
understand it by Darwinian perspective.
1085
00:55:01,156 --> 00:55:03,612
So as a biologist, this has
enormous significance.
1086
00:55:03,612 --> 00:55:05,683
With the publication of
"Origin of Species"
1087
00:55:05,683 --> 00:55:08,248
and a recognition that there is
an evolutionary link between
1088
00:55:08,273 --> 00:55:09,846
all living beings,
1089
00:55:09,871 --> 00:55:13,590
and that human beings are just another
an animal in this series,
1090
00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:16,426
there had to be an influence
ethics and consideration of other
1091
00:55:16,426 --> 00:55:22,623
organisms in the same manner as
We consider the relationship between humans.
1092
00:55:22,723 --> 00:55:24,414
There had to be an impact.
1093
00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:27,155
(____ ____) Ended,
for now, here ...
1094
00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:31,265
- We could extend our
essential ethical principles,
1095
00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:34,109
as opposed to causation
damage by unnecessary misery
1096
00:55:34,109 --> 00:55:35,552
to other species.
1097
00:55:35,552 --> 00:55:38,558
And then I would not do things like
use animals for clothing,
1098
00:55:38,558 --> 00:55:40,696
or for food or other
ways that cause suffering ...
1099
00:55:41,052 --> 00:55:42,792
It is no longer justified.
1100
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,700
- Uh ...
1101
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:48,132
- Have you thought about that?
- No, actually not.
1102
00:55:48,132 --> 00:55:50,265
- Perhaps no biologist
does.
1103
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:53,169
So I went to the Academy of Sciences of
New York to
1104
00:55:53,169 --> 00:55:55,483
a number of studies
"Science and the City"
1105
00:55:55,483 --> 00:55:58,862
I received the most influential
live biologist:
1106
00:55:59,151 --> 00:56:02,120
- It is by far the lead
world of what we propose here
1107
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,449
in our fight
"Science and the City"
1108
00:56:03,463 --> 00:56:06,033
promote understanding
Public Science.
1109
00:56:06,094 --> 00:56:08,556
Obviously, it does not need
presentations ...
1110
00:56:08,557 --> 00:56:10,915
- If you walk
pro past,
1111
00:56:10,915 --> 00:56:14,003
for its hereditary chain,
(Richard Dawkins - University of Oxford)
1112
00:56:14,002 --> 00:56:17,420
starting with their mother,
her grandmother, great-grandmother -
1113
00:56:17,495 --> 00:56:19,312
we will be alone in the maternal line,
for convenience -
1114
00:56:19,369 --> 00:56:21,259
his great-great grandfather
and so on ...
1115
00:56:21,395 --> 00:56:23,611
you go, go, go go, go
1116
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,780
back all you want,
1117
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:29,774
and gradually, animals
through which you pass,
1118
00:56:29,774 --> 00:56:31,421
while regresses to its
ancestors,
1119
00:56:31,468 --> 00:56:35,591
will gradually and slowly,
turning into something else.
1120
00:56:35,591 --> 00:56:39,057
When get to 6 or 7
million years in the past,
1121
00:56:39,441 --> 00:56:42,442
You see an animal
It was the common ancestor
1122
00:56:42,442 --> 00:56:45,298
between us and the
chimpanzees.
1123
00:56:46,418 --> 00:56:48,015
- Yes, prof. Dawkins,
1124
00:56:48,881 --> 00:56:52,081
the extreme similarity
between us and
1125
00:56:52,081 --> 00:56:56,203
and other species that Biology
evolution helps us to understand
1126
00:56:56,547 --> 00:56:59,215
do you think there is some
ethical implications in terms
1127
00:56:59,267 --> 00:57:01,777
the treatment of
non-human animals,
1128
00:57:01,783 --> 00:57:04,825
I mean, in my understanding,
you are not a speciesist.
1129
00:57:05,336 --> 00:57:07,756
- I think so, there
ethical implications.
1130
00:57:07,756 --> 00:57:12,774
If we think in the way we
special treatment to humans,
1131
00:57:11,157 --> 00:57:12,157
for example, in the case of abortion,
1132
00:57:12,774 --> 00:57:17,136
human fetuses are treated
as babies,
1133
00:57:17,136 --> 00:57:21,274
and many people think it is
murder abort a human fetus.
1134
00:57:21,321 --> 00:57:23,711
It hardly happens with cows.
1135
00:57:24,913 --> 00:57:27,361
They have, of course, much more
capacity for suffering than
1136
00:57:27,361 --> 00:57:29,227
than any human fetus.
1137
00:57:29,348 --> 00:57:31,466
Chimpanzees, which are very
close to us,
1138
00:57:31,466 --> 00:57:37,297
They get nothing so much
ethical, moral or legally protected,
1139
00:57:37,297 --> 00:57:38,769
They receive as humans.
1140
00:57:38,769 --> 00:57:41,070
Suppose we learned
one relicária population
1141
00:57:41,095 --> 00:57:42,356
in the forests of Africa,
1142
00:57:42,356 --> 00:57:44,856
between humans and chimpanzees,
1143
00:57:44,856 --> 00:57:47,733
what would we do? what
speciesist would,
1144
00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:52,481
a live specimen of Lucy,
Afarensis Australophitecus,
1145
00:57:52,481 --> 00:57:53,724
was discovered?
1146
00:57:53,724 --> 00:57:56,030
It was a pure accident
their extinction.
1147
00:57:56,162 --> 00:57:59,896
We must find a way, do something
between our moral and our ethics.
1148
00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:02,893
Take into consideration that
they may not have been extinguished.
1149
00:58:02,893 --> 00:58:06,159
- We should not ... this distinction
huge ethical,
1150
00:58:06,206 --> 00:58:09,681
should not depend on the
accident that is extinction.
1151
00:58:09,722 --> 00:58:12,048
- When we are involved
very emotionally
1152
00:58:12,048 --> 00:58:13,978
use in other animals,
1153
00:58:14,017 --> 00:58:18,258
then we kinda decided
have a moral principle
1154
00:58:18,258 --> 00:58:20,725
that will support this
behavior,
1155
00:58:20,779 --> 00:58:23,046
rather than going elsewhere
direction.
1156
00:58:23,136 --> 00:58:25,786
If we would come to the world
a rough stone,
1157
00:58:25,786 --> 00:58:32,855
I think the reasons
the speciesism would not persuade us.
1158
00:58:32,855 --> 00:58:37,114
- And if you could find a way
to see the world as a rough stone?
1159
00:58:37,114 --> 00:58:41,882
If you could remember and ask
my intuitions and stronger assumptions?
1160
00:58:44,851 --> 00:58:48,599
- It is the crack opening
to the sky...
1161
00:58:48,624 --> 00:58:53,007
- Enter the Universe dimension
It is the hardest job,
1162
00:58:53,032 --> 00:58:55,981
for astronomers or
who thinks that.
1163
00:58:56,179 --> 00:58:56,881
AND...
1164
00:58:57,341 --> 00:58:59,440
Because it's so completely
"nonhuman"
1165
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,879
Distances are completely
out of any everyday experience.
1166
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:07,974
One way we can
think about it,
1167
00:59:07,974 --> 00:59:10,047
since the distances
They are so broad,
1168
00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:13,442
is to monitor how far the
objects are,
1169
00:59:13,441 --> 00:59:16,311
calculating how long the light
takes to get there.
1170
00:59:16,311 --> 00:59:20,033
Light travels at about 300 million
meters per second.
1171
00:59:20,032 --> 00:59:22,456
There are 7 turns on earth in one second.
1172
00:59:22,456 --> 00:59:24,908
Then think about 1/7 of a second.
1173
00:59:24,908 --> 00:59:26,788
Travels all over our world.
1174
00:59:27,046 --> 00:59:29,650
The sun is 8 light-minutes away.
1175
00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:33,086
So it seems a distance well
unbelievable, compared to Earth.
1176
00:59:33,086 --> 00:59:33,989
But ...
1177
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:36,667
the distances between the stars
are so
1178
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,667
disconcertingly huge,
1179
00:59:38,674 --> 00:59:41,874
that light, even traveling
as fast as you can,
1180
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,980
You have to follow for four years to
reach the nearest star.
1181
00:59:45,955 --> 00:59:50,160
Within the Milky Way,
in the Sun orbit the region,
1182
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,258
there are something like 100 billion
stars.
1183
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,711
There are about 100 000
light-years or more
1184
00:59:58,727 --> 01:00:01,927
to get from one side of the Via
Milky to another.
1185
01:00:03,385 --> 01:00:06,353
And it's just one of
Typical galaxies known ...
1186
01:00:06,996 --> 01:00:09,316
Our small local group
Galaxies
1187
01:00:09,316 --> 01:00:11,702
It is on the edge of the periphery
1188
01:00:11,702 --> 01:00:16,131
an impressive cluster of
galaxies, which has thousands of galaxies.
1189
01:00:16,131 --> 01:00:18,509
And more than 100 million,
by scale,
1190
01:00:18,509 --> 01:00:20,734
you see that the clusters
galaxies.
1191
01:00:20,734 --> 01:00:22,485
They are not distributed
randomly.
1192
01:00:22,485 --> 01:00:28,796
They are assembled into filaments,
sheets, in chains,
1193
01:00:29,455 --> 01:00:32,314
Space is so much greater today,
1194
01:00:32,314 --> 01:00:34,846
than what we dreamed
astronomers
1195
01:00:34,871 --> 01:00:36,324
a few generations
past.
1196
01:00:36,324 --> 01:00:39,524
Once after another,
intuition is wrong.
1197
01:00:40,814 --> 01:00:42,654
No, it is not so.
1198
01:00:43,241 --> 01:00:46,353
The "common sense"
disappoint you.
1199
01:00:48,796 --> 01:00:53,519
- And if, in fact,
is only a prejudice?
1200
01:00:54,459 --> 01:00:57,220
And if we're just
we all here?
1201
01:00:58,035 --> 01:00:59,035
On this planet?
1202
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,738
After a billion years
of evolution.
1203
01:01:03,619 --> 01:01:06,519
We could be only
a species
1204
01:01:07,053 --> 01:01:08,053
more powerful,
1205
01:01:08,177 --> 01:01:09,177
Locke,
1206
01:01:09,525 --> 01:01:11,859
Bullying on all
the others,
1207
01:01:11,884 --> 01:01:15,460
without stepping back to
notice what we have done?
1208
01:01:15,706 --> 01:01:17,514
For all this time?
1209
01:01:18,835 --> 01:01:21,271
After all, we are
capable of it.
1210
01:01:21,271 --> 01:01:24,641
We saw it. We are,
Genetically
1211
01:01:24,641 --> 01:01:28,891
nothing different people engaged
trade in human slavery,
1212
01:01:28,891 --> 01:01:30,438
for thousands of years.
1213
01:01:30,556 --> 01:01:35,209
And of civilized societies
They took part in the genocide.
1214
01:01:36,123 --> 01:01:38,021
- As a Holocaust survivor,
1215
01:01:38,021 --> 01:01:41,403
I spent my childhood in a
Warsaw ghetto,
1216
01:01:41,403 --> 01:01:43,962
by the end of 1942
1217
01:01:43,962 --> 01:01:46,559
when we escaped to the other side.
1218
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:51,435
After the war, I visited some
of the extermination camps
1219
01:01:51,435 --> 01:01:54,018
where my family was killed.
1220
01:01:54,018 --> 01:01:59,564
I was guided by the cell
hair, glasses, boots,
1221
01:01:59,564 --> 01:02:03,964
Years later, it happened to go
a slaughterhouse in the USA,
1222
01:02:03,964 --> 01:02:12,579
and again, I saw piles of hearts,
hooves and other body parts
1223
01:02:12,579 --> 01:02:14,047
strung in iron,
1224
01:02:14,047 --> 01:02:16,223
and I found myself thinking
1225
01:02:16,223 --> 01:02:18,829
the highly efficient process,
1226
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:26,026
cold, numb,
It was used in both cases.
1227
01:02:26,112 --> 01:02:29,593
That the perpetrators,
They did not feel any guilt
1228
01:02:29,593 --> 01:02:31,518
for what they did.
1229
01:02:31,518 --> 01:02:35,153
My fellow Jews
They were transported in cattle cars.
1230
01:02:35,153 --> 01:02:38,297
I came to realize that the
slogan we saw using,
1231
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:39,330
"Never",
1232
01:02:39,767 --> 01:02:45,067
It was not exactly on the
others might do to us,
1233
01:02:46,473 --> 01:02:47,734
- Oh my God!
1234
01:02:47,871 --> 01:02:50,115
I saw him!
1235
01:02:53,058 --> 01:02:58,212
- I can not pinpoint the moment
I saw, I realized,
1236
01:02:58,268 --> 01:03:01,763
there was something in that reasoning.
1237
01:03:03,247 --> 01:03:06,809
It was a kind of process
cumulative.
1238
01:03:08,812 --> 01:03:12,247
Right off the bat, there was no tip.
1239
01:03:12,454 --> 01:03:15,454
You go the other way up
that in real ...
1240
01:03:17,651 --> 01:03:20,147
and is...
1241
01:03:21,347 --> 01:03:24,147
is ... it's almost ... let ...
I do not know say ...
1242
01:03:25,189 --> 01:03:26,189
It is chilling ..
1243
01:03:26,224 --> 01:03:29,624
We are directly confronted
the Holocaust
1244
01:03:29,623 --> 01:03:34,507
What happens everywhere,
at all times.
1245
01:03:34,507 --> 01:03:36,883
And all those who know,
those we love
1246
01:03:36,883 --> 01:03:38,604
and those who hate,
1247
01:03:38,604 --> 01:03:41,420
everywhere,
are all participating.
1248
01:03:41,420 --> 01:03:44,713
And I am here, just
talking about it!
1249
01:03:44,713 --> 01:03:51,634
Okay, I'm someone callously
talking about it,
1250
01:03:51,634 --> 01:03:54,334
because I'm trying to work my
feelings about it ...
1251
01:03:54,334 --> 01:03:57,592
When the only answer
sensible to this
1252
01:03:57,592 --> 01:04:00,321
to this understanding,
for this awakening
1253
01:04:00,321 --> 01:04:04,321
for this world we live in is
a fucking blast!
1254
01:04:04,375 --> 01:04:07,127
Right? Must be the only answer
possible!
1255
01:04:07,127 --> 01:04:12,637
... It's something that never happened before.
I can not ... It's so bad
1256
01:04:13,769 --> 01:04:17,484
that ... that ... how I can stay
talking as a holocaust
1257
01:04:17,484 --> 01:04:20,395
It happens everywhere,
all the time?
1258
01:04:20,395 --> 01:04:21,695
Every day...
1259
01:04:21,695 --> 01:04:23,879
And all are included.
1260
01:04:23,879 --> 01:04:27,549
When you can talk about it
while when it's just a
1261
01:04:27,549 --> 01:04:30,990
laughable matter when you
brings forth?
1262
01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:36,396
when your friends and family
they think it's "cute"
1263
01:04:36,396 --> 01:04:41,880
you have decided ...
Do you know...
1264
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,495
when you decided to have interest
animals
1265
01:04:45,495 --> 01:04:47,087
in animal cause ...
1266
01:04:47,087 --> 01:04:49,925
"But you know what? I'm glad you
made your choice, please
1267
01:04:49,925 --> 01:04:51,354
respect my choice. "
1268
01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:56,323
Like, damn, we can
continue like this world?
1269
01:04:56,323 --> 01:05:01,146
How not to see the world,
with everyone inside,
1270
01:05:01,146 --> 01:05:07,229
as dark, dangerous,
irrational?
1271
01:05:07,229 --> 01:05:14,197
And how the hell do not look their
life up to that point
1272
01:05:14,197 --> 01:05:19,581
you woke up, as
something unforgivable?
1273
01:05:19,882 --> 01:05:21,431
I realized that
1274
01:05:21,431 --> 01:05:24,898
the thing is much deeper than
I could imagine.
1275
01:05:25,434 --> 01:05:28,335
For people who try
see past speciesism,
1276
01:05:28,335 --> 01:05:31,474
the world becomes
very different.
1277
01:05:31,981 --> 01:05:33,285
Then I thought:
1278
01:05:33,285 --> 01:05:36,125
What are the consequences
practices
1279
01:05:36,126 --> 01:05:38,042
a perspective
not speciesist?
1280
01:05:38,393 --> 01:05:40,029
- In my research
last,
1281
01:05:40,029 --> 01:05:43,146
I have used them to receive
human tumors.
1282
01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:44,813
Special types of used mice
1283
01:05:44,825 --> 01:05:47,140
system which does not have
Normal immune
1284
01:05:47,165 --> 01:05:49,217
that can grow tumors
human them,
1285
01:05:49,279 --> 01:05:53,146
So I could really
check the answers to agents
1286
01:05:53,214 --> 01:05:54,727
I'm trying to therapeutic
develop.
1287
01:05:54,944 --> 01:05:57,721
And to make sure that
these agents
1288
01:05:57,721 --> 01:06:02,130
reach the tumor
expected manner:
1289
01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:04,487
the tumor decrease
or disappear.
1290
01:06:04,487 --> 01:06:07,672
and I...
- It is painful for rats?
1291
01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:10,357
- I try to leave the
painless as possible.
1292
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:14,128
- When we asked if we would be
capable of doing the same experiments
1293
01:06:14,128 --> 01:06:17,449
a human being at the same level
of consciousness,
1294
01:06:17,449 --> 01:06:19,267
and if the answer is
1295
01:06:19,267 --> 01:06:22,601
"Yes, we would do in the case of
a non-human but
1296
01:06:22,601 --> 01:06:24,707
no, we would not do in the case of
a human"
1297
01:06:24,737 --> 01:06:29,569
it seems to exhibit a bias
in favor of our species.
1298
01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:32,664
- But I put in tumors
people to test?
1299
01:06:32,664 --> 01:06:33,921
- Yup.
- No!
1300
01:06:33,921 --> 01:06:34,745
- Why not?
1301
01:06:34,745 --> 01:06:36,262
- As well, why not?
1302
01:06:36,262 --> 01:06:38,162
- You put even, animals
below human beings?
1303
01:06:38,162 --> 01:06:39,198
- Yes it's right,
I place.
1304
01:06:39,198 --> 01:06:40,198
- Because?
1305
01:06:41,561 --> 01:06:43,841
- Why do not they make
moral choices.
1306
01:06:45,011 --> 01:06:46,064
- Interestingly,
1307
01:06:46,064 --> 01:06:49,135
anti-speciesist are not
necessarily against all
1308
01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:51,035
the animal experiments.
1309
01:06:51,182 --> 01:06:54,007
Some ethical theories
allowed experimentation
1310
01:06:54,007 --> 01:06:56,910
in humans without consent,
in some circumstances.
1311
01:06:56,910 --> 01:06:58,339
While others do not.
1312
01:06:58,339 --> 01:07:00,168
However, at least
1313
01:07:00,168 --> 01:07:03,367
this experiment may contemplated
help an anti-speciesist
1314
01:07:03,367 --> 01:07:06,781
decide which experiments not
They are worthy of support.
1315
01:07:06,886 --> 01:07:07,766
- So,
1316
01:07:07,765 --> 01:07:10,627
what else one
anti-speciesist should
1317
01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:12,423
begin to see differently?
1318
01:07:12,423 --> 01:07:14,073
How about another problem
practical?
1319
01:07:14,073 --> 01:07:15,924
- The ALF - Animal Liberation Front
(Front for Liberation Animal)
1320
01:07:15,924 --> 01:07:18,263
- You know, people who
invade buildings,
1321
01:07:18,263 --> 01:07:20,972
destroy property,
rescue animals and so on ...
1322
01:07:20,972 --> 01:07:26,442
Dr. Steven Best, University
Texas, El Paso, studies the ALF.
1323
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:30,426
- The basic idea of tradition
in civil disobedience
1324
01:07:30,637 --> 01:07:33,157
is that if the law is wrong,
1325
01:07:33,939 --> 01:07:36,377
the right thing to do
It is infringe it.
1326
01:07:36,377 --> 01:07:39,807
In the US in the nineteenth century,
slavery was legal.
1327
01:07:39,807 --> 01:07:42,671
And free a slave
the captive was illegal.
1328
01:07:42,671 --> 01:07:44,495
But it was the right thing
to do.
1329
01:07:44,495 --> 01:07:46,264
Animals are under attack!
1330
01:07:47,194 --> 01:07:49,440
They are being tortured,
detained,
1331
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,182
brutalized, killed,
1332
01:07:51,182 --> 01:07:52,918
the millions every day,
1333
01:07:52,918 --> 01:07:54,311
the billions every year.
1334
01:07:54,311 --> 01:07:55,407
It is a war!
1335
01:07:55,407 --> 01:07:56,458
Under Attack!
1336
01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:59,766
They are physically mistreated,
tortured, caged,
1337
01:07:59,892 --> 01:08:03,499
traumatized, electrocuted, and
and dead!
1338
01:08:03,499 --> 01:08:05,322
In myriad ways.
1339
01:08:05,617 --> 01:08:06,617
It is a war!
1340
01:08:06,969 --> 01:08:10,776
I decided to find someone
work in these arguments.
1341
01:08:11,653 --> 01:08:14,453
So how ... how it was
the federal prison?
1342
01:08:15,207 --> 01:08:18,561
- The prison was something that
I spent seven other years
1343
01:08:18,561 --> 01:08:21,053
pounding in my head
if it had been something ...
1344
01:08:21,053 --> 01:08:22,477
- As well 7 "other" years?
1345
01:08:22,477 --> 01:08:26,098
- Well, I spent seven years and a half as
a fugitive, was wanted by the FBI.
1346
01:08:26,098 --> 01:08:29,435
So for 7 and a half years I knew
that one day I would be arrested.
1347
01:08:29,435 --> 01:08:32,952
In 1997, I released thousands
of mink about
1348
01:08:32,952 --> 01:08:35,606
about 6 different plants
skin, in the Midwest.
1349
01:08:35,657 --> 01:08:38,718
What we did was to invade
these factories in the night,
1350
01:08:38,718 --> 01:08:43,213
with pliers and wire cutters,
we put the fences down
1351
01:08:43,213 --> 01:08:45,660
we went to these farms, we opened
each cage.
1352
01:08:45,691 --> 01:08:47,809
The mink raised on farms
They survived and prospered
1353
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:48,945
in the wild, really.
1354
01:08:49,005 --> 01:08:51,834
Any arguments against
break the law to save animals
1355
01:08:51,834 --> 01:08:54,445
is primarily an
argument speciesist.
1356
01:08:54,445 --> 01:08:57,879
No one would argue that ...
1357
01:08:57,879 --> 01:09:01,118
it would be morally unjustified
free slaves.
1358
01:09:01,118 --> 01:09:04,757
- I realized that by thinking
on animal experimentation,
1359
01:09:04,757 --> 01:09:08,561
and ALF, I was
avoiding another matter.
1360
01:09:09,047 --> 01:09:13,299
- What is the difference between sitting
and watch a dogfight,
1361
01:09:13,299 --> 01:09:16,443
how I was doing, or
allegedly doing,
1362
01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:20,462
and the rest of us, we sat down
kiosks doing barbecues?
1363
01:09:20,702 --> 01:09:21,965
Oh ... and ... You know?
1364
01:09:21,965 --> 01:09:25,240
The grilled animal was tortured
as well as animals that
1365
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,229
Michael Vick puts to fight.
1366
01:09:28,846 --> 01:09:32,893
- Each year, the Church of St. John,
the Divine in New York
1367
01:09:33,204 --> 01:09:38,471
has a beautiful celebration of San Francisco,
complete with a parade of animals.
1368
01:09:38,783 --> 01:09:41,223
And transvestites, for some reason.
1369
01:09:41,353 --> 01:09:44,507
There, hundreds of people
line up
1370
01:09:44,532 --> 01:09:46,538
to have their companions
blessed animals.
1371
01:09:48,161 --> 01:09:50,694
- I brought him here today to see you
blessed.
1372
01:09:50,694 --> 01:09:54,235
And I have been grateful to the Lord for
a miracle:
1373
01:09:54,235 --> 01:10:00,904
he has kidney failure, I think
a miracle to have hemodialysis for animals.
1374
01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:04,659
If I had an uncle or
kidney failure,
have medical treatment
1375
01:10:04,659 --> 01:10:07,308
I feel the same for animals.
1376
01:10:07,308 --> 01:10:10,654
Uh ... by pets.
1377
01:10:10,654 --> 01:10:15,550
- I was wondering if you
could bless all the chickens ....
1378
01:10:15,688 --> 01:10:16,952
- All chickens?
1379
01:10:17,072 --> 01:10:19,541
- They are too many to
bring them, so ... (Chicken x 9 billion)
1380
01:10:19,566 --> 01:10:23,208
... I was considering you
some kind of blessing for them all.
1381
01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:26,275
- I know they are trapped in cages,
warehouses and so on ...
1382
01:10:26,275 --> 01:10:27,307
- What can I do?
1383
01:10:28,450 --> 01:10:29,578
- The first thing you
must do,
1384
01:10:29,578 --> 01:10:31,801
if you approach fear
animal factory farms
1385
01:10:31,801 --> 01:10:33,268
It is to fail to keep them.
1386
01:10:33,847 --> 01:10:36,671
While you're shopping
the products,
1387
01:10:36,671 --> 01:10:40,732
of all industrial farms,
as you consume them,
1388
01:10:40,732 --> 01:10:43,765
or have people who buy
by you,
1389
01:10:43,765 --> 01:10:45,298
this helps keep them.
1390
01:10:45,314 --> 01:10:47,638
- So if I will not buy
industrial farms,
1391
01:10:47,638 --> 01:10:50,229
how about those farms
"human," which I hear?
1392
01:10:53,705 --> 01:10:56,270
I found a "human" farm that
sells for one of
1393
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:58,693
Most reputable companies,
Whole Foods.
1394
01:10:58,693 --> 01:11:01,725
It is described on the website of Whole Foods
as a farm "free-range" (no confinement)
1395
01:11:01,725 --> 01:11:03,754
The owner even took me
for a spin.
1396
01:11:03,918 --> 01:11:08,134
- We are doing things
for the patterns Whole Foods,
1397
01:11:08,134 --> 01:11:11,837
which are high.
- Very high human standards?
1398
01:11:11,837 --> 01:11:13,829
- Yes, high.
- The best?
1399
01:11:13,829 --> 01:11:19,459
- Also, I think
of the best.
1400
01:11:19,459 --> 01:11:25,693
We offer quality products
quality, which are created
1401
01:11:24,292 --> 01:11:25,693
more naturally
for people
1402
01:11:25,693 --> 01:11:28,857
We are looking for
this type of product.
1403
01:11:35,155 --> 01:11:37,434
- How much space there is, per bird?
1404
01:11:38,338 --> 01:11:39,338
- Almost 1m².
1405
01:11:40,402 --> 01:11:44,352
Comparing with a
ordinary creation,
1406
01:11:44,352 --> 01:11:45,436
is enough space.
1407
01:11:45,436 --> 01:11:47,575
To sell to Whole Foods,
1408
01:11:47,575 --> 01:11:49,386
you have to meet the many values.
1409
01:11:49,386 --> 01:11:51,319
Oh, they are very strict standards.
1410
01:11:51,512 --> 01:11:52,512
Ah ...
1411
01:11:52,983 --> 01:11:59,079
If you have an error rate
greater than 1%, you are missing.
1412
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:03,040
If you have more than 1%
broken wings, you fail.
1413
01:12:04,055 --> 01:12:05,055
- Yes, this is very smelly.
1414
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,467
- It is not? It's like a box
my rabbit!
1415
01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:10,875
When I'm cleaning.
- And is...
1416
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:18,492
When I take the manure with a shovel
loader, use a respirator,
1417
01:12:18,492 --> 01:12:21,430
one of those respirators anti ammonia,
it filters everything.
1418
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:23,653
So it does not affect the throat.
1419
01:12:23,653 --> 01:12:26,301
It is not good for us.
1420
01:12:26,787 --> 01:12:29,018
- Let us listen again,
with more space,
1421
01:12:29,094 --> 01:12:31,622
our numbers are usually
very low.
1422
01:12:31,906 --> 01:12:34,468
The ammonia levels are
usually very low.
1423
01:12:34,493 --> 01:12:37,789
Turkeys, you know, is a
both cannibals,
1424
01:12:37,789 --> 01:12:40,825
- So if anyone has a turkey
wrong, 3 or 4 and each of them together,
1425
01:12:40,825 --> 01:12:42,146
may have this problem?
1426
01:12:42,146 --> 01:12:44,724
- Probably not, and even we
also we do not have much of that,
1427
01:12:44,724 --> 01:12:47,445
because of the extra space.
1428
01:12:47,885 --> 01:12:49,353
- Really?
- That we do not.
1429
01:12:49,353 --> 01:12:51,535
- So because of the extra space,
they do not ...
1430
01:12:51,566 --> 01:12:52,995
- It does not seem so bad.
1431
01:12:53,055 --> 01:12:54,823
- Why did they grow so
more quickly?
1432
01:12:54,823 --> 01:12:58,399
- Only advances in
gene. You know?
1433
01:12:58,574 --> 01:13:00,758
Selecting the birds
grow faster.
1434
01:13:01,303 --> 01:13:03,185
- Is there any problem
the rapid growth?
1435
01:13:03,185 --> 01:13:07,940
- Hrããn ... yes, you can have
problem in the legs,
1436
01:13:07,940 --> 01:13:10,806
and nails, as they grow.
- Like what?
1437
01:13:10,863 --> 01:13:12,686
- They fall to the ground,
on the legs.
1438
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:15,728
- It reminded me of something
I had almost forgotten.
1439
01:13:16,124 --> 01:13:18,849
- She has difficulty walking.
1440
01:13:18,849 --> 01:13:21,782
But she loves people,
loves to be caressed,
1441
01:13:23,306 --> 01:13:24,306
- Yes, his name is Old Hat.
- Hello, Old Bone.
1442
01:13:26,147 --> 01:13:28,519
- It took a while for her to
used to people again,
1443
01:13:28,519 --> 01:13:30,297
because why?
1444
01:13:30,297 --> 01:13:32,239
- I think
1445
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:36,914
I trusted not only in
persons obviously, for a reason ...
1446
01:13:36,914 --> 01:13:39,710
- She seems to be opening
wings ... which means?
1447
01:13:39,710 --> 01:13:42,157
- She likes to be stroked,
It is taking advantage of ...
1448
01:13:42,157 --> 01:13:44,318
... Is pouring into me.
1449
01:13:46,993 --> 01:13:47,993
- That's it.
1450
01:13:51,085 --> 01:13:52,952
- Is the cart for the donation?
1451
01:13:53,411 --> 01:13:56,156
- Yes, every day we have
one, two or three.
1452
01:13:56,156 --> 01:14:00,281
- If you put 3 or 4 in the wheelbarrow,
you will get a date ... haha
1453
01:14:00,281 --> 01:14:02,948
- This is better than one
Normal farm.
1454
01:14:02,999 --> 01:14:06,266
And there must be farms
much better than these.
1455
01:14:06,364 --> 01:14:10,305
So ... are there
farms non-speciesist?
1456
01:14:10,305 --> 01:14:13,481
- If animals must be
in the moral community,
1457
01:14:13,481 --> 01:14:18,072
then we must give your interests
equal consideration.
1458
01:14:18,404 --> 01:14:21,937
If animals are property,
it is impossible to give them
1459
01:14:22,257 --> 01:14:24,994
equal consideration.
Think about it a second.
1460
01:14:24,994 --> 01:14:29,061
When the collated
interests of a well
1461
01:14:29,094 --> 01:14:31,396
against those of intesses
owner of the well,
1462
01:14:31,396 --> 01:14:34,191
will always consider the interests
the good
1463
01:14:34,191 --> 01:14:37,032
smaller than the interests
of its owner.
1464
01:14:37,228 --> 01:14:39,726
So just like the case of
human slavery,
1465
01:14:39,726 --> 01:14:42,583
there were some laws that protected,
or supposedly protected,
1466
01:14:42,583 --> 01:14:43,557
human slaves.
1467
01:14:43,557 --> 01:14:44,890
But not working.
1468
01:14:44,914 --> 01:14:48,255
And it did not work because it tried
balancing the interests of slaves
1469
01:14:48,255 --> 01:14:50,042
with the interests of the owners
slave.
1470
01:14:50,042 --> 01:14:53,515
- Somehow, I had never thought
on that contradiction.
1471
01:14:53,515 --> 01:14:57,711
Among consider the welfare of other animals
comparably important
1472
01:14:57,711 --> 01:14:59,817
to our well-being.
And then,
1473
01:14:59,817 --> 01:15:02,217
use them as economic commodities.
1474
01:15:02,344 --> 01:15:05,277
- It is also true that,
if you eat meat,
1475
01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:08,217
you are adhering to a
contractual relationship
1476
01:15:08,217 --> 01:15:11,017
in which you are paying
other people
1477
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,241
to mutilate animals,
1478
01:15:13,241 --> 01:15:15,950
unrelieved pain, even
the best farms,
1479
01:15:15,975 --> 01:15:18,378
slicing throats of animals,
opening them,
1480
01:15:18,411 --> 01:15:19,547
unrelieved pain.
1481
01:15:19,587 --> 01:15:21,763
You are paying people to
abuse of animals,
1482
01:15:21,763 --> 01:15:23,096
if you eat meat.
1483
01:15:23,259 --> 01:15:25,836
- So you can not really reconcile,
can not tell
1484
01:15:25,836 --> 01:15:27,904
"I am someone who is opposed to cruelty
against animals "
1485
01:15:27,903 --> 01:15:33,386
and even "I consider acceptable
pay for others
1486
01:15:33,386 --> 01:15:35,051
this mercenary relationship,
1487
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:37,781
to go there and cut
animal throats "
1488
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:41,149
for something as inconsequential as
a speech preference.
1489
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:42,749
It is the subjugation of the apex.
1490
01:15:42,937 --> 01:15:46,637
Is literally eating the corpse
of another being.
1491
01:15:46,981 --> 01:15:50,380
It's hard to imagine anything
more especista.p
1492
01:15:50,769 --> 01:15:53,552
- I can not believe I never thought
that before too!
1493
01:15:53,552 --> 01:15:57,681
But there is something bizarre in
eat an animal.
1494
01:15:58,001 --> 01:15:59,411
Eating a corpse.
1495
01:15:59,905 --> 01:16:02,863
I wonder if people who stop
be speciesist
1496
01:16:02,881 --> 01:16:05,035
They begin to see that
eating animals is
1497
01:16:05,035 --> 01:16:07,701
It is how we see
human cannibalism.
1498
01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:51,116
- Here is the final product?
- Final product.
1499
01:16:51,964 --> 01:16:55,942
- There, two large, and above two
heads, to have a great luau.
1500
01:16:55,942 --> 01:16:57,639
- Wow, a luau with their heads!
1501
01:16:57,639 --> 01:17:00,679
- Okay, here the two heads ...
1502
01:17:01,308 --> 01:17:03,089
- Why is it called
"black pudding" (black pudding)?
1503
01:17:03,089 --> 01:17:04,117
- Because there's blood on it.
1504
01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:06,650
- And how like the neck?
I never tasted the neck ...
1505
01:17:06,650 --> 01:17:09,431
- It is rabbit, is very tasty.
1506
01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:13,492
Here no one knows.
In Germany, you have to
1507
01:17:13,492 --> 01:17:15,489
go to the butcher six weeks before
to get.
1508
01:17:15,489 --> 01:17:20,149
- Oh really? It's because?
- Because it's popular.
1509
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:22,910
- I see ... they have so many (__ __?).
1510
01:17:23,273 --> 01:17:25,241
- Once removed from
seabed,
1511
01:17:25,241 --> 01:17:27,313
eyes pop up
for out of the head,
1512
01:17:27,313 --> 01:17:29,191
they literally die
decompression,
1513
01:17:29,191 --> 01:17:30,701
when their bodies
explore.
1514
01:17:31,044 --> 01:17:34,584
Or just gutted the decks
1515
01:17:34,584 --> 01:17:37,563
those huge fishing vessels
Industrial farms fish.
1516
01:17:37,864 --> 01:17:41,184
Are cut in half, while
They are still fully conscious.
1517
01:17:41,184 --> 01:17:43,939
So for many people
They are trying vegetarianism
1518
01:17:43,964 --> 01:17:46,000
gradually,
1519
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,504
many of them will cut meat
first red,
1520
01:17:48,504 --> 01:17:52,171
by a cruel point of view,
It is quite counterproductive.
1521
01:17:52,203 --> 01:17:54,687
- Some argue that we should go
beyond.
1522
01:17:54,687 --> 01:17:56,055
And make ourselves vegans.
1523
01:17:56,055 --> 01:17:59,426
That is, replace all
animal products in our diet.
1524
01:17:59,426 --> 01:18:04,626
- In my mind, veganism
must be the master of the animal movement line.
1525
01:18:04,804 --> 01:18:07,917
Because, as I understand it, and
I think empirically,
1526
01:18:07,917 --> 01:18:09,691
There is probably more suffering
a glass of milk
1527
01:18:09,691 --> 01:18:12,070
or a cream pot than
a kilogram of steak.
1528
01:18:12,189 --> 01:18:14,305
Of course all of them are torture,
but the main idea
1529
01:18:14,305 --> 01:18:17,847
people make this distinction,
"Oh, I do not eat meat, but as dairy"
1530
01:18:17,847 --> 01:18:21,878
Uh ... for me, it's a little insensitive
saying "I do not like little cows,
1531
01:18:21,878 --> 01:18:23,381
but I like bigger cows. "
1532
01:18:23,389 --> 01:18:25,322
In fact, there is no difference.
1533
01:18:25,834 --> 01:18:29,849
There is suffering in dairy products.
I say probably more because
1534
01:18:29,849 --> 01:18:32,434
think, used animals
that industry
1535
01:18:32,434 --> 01:18:34,271
They are kept alive
longer,
1536
01:18:34,271 --> 01:18:35,430
are treated worse shape,
1537
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:36,785
- I never thought
it too!
1538
01:18:36,785 --> 01:18:38,718
We consume is suffering!
1539
01:18:39,377 --> 01:18:44,177
- It is the most terrible pain that a mother
can feel, being separated from her son.
1540
01:18:44,284 --> 01:18:46,351
And that is routine in dairy products.
1541
01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:49,915
If you have to do this
to survive,
1542
01:18:49,915 --> 01:18:53,556
I can not imagine how
I can live with yourself
1543
01:18:53,556 --> 01:18:54,623
and bear it.
1544
01:18:55,132 --> 01:18:57,195
- You can make the decision
right now!
1545
01:18:57,195 --> 01:18:59,584
But I will not eat
products of animal origin.
1546
01:18:59,584 --> 01:19:04,559
- Despite the arguments of
vegetarians and vegans are stronger,
1547
01:19:04,559 --> 01:19:08,617
there must be a good reason not to
become one another.
1548
01:19:08,882 --> 01:19:10,814
I mean...
other animals
1549
01:19:10,814 --> 01:19:13,170
eat other animals.
1550
01:19:13,267 --> 01:19:16,040
- Suddenly, after debase
animals, will mean ...
1551
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:22,953
"Oh, look, if the lion eats antelope,
I okay to eat the cow ".
1552
01:19:23,123 --> 01:19:25,536
But ... what is it? I never
He said animals
1553
01:19:25,536 --> 01:19:28,334
They are a type of moral example
we must follow.
1554
01:19:28,897 --> 01:19:31,638
- They just do it on
which have no choice.
1555
01:19:31,638 --> 01:19:34,038
- OK, it made me
I feel stupid.
1556
01:19:34,094 --> 01:19:36,353
I try to redeem myself.
1557
01:19:36,467 --> 01:19:38,887
- Animals are injured,
at least accidentally,
1558
01:19:38,887 --> 01:19:40,887
when we do anything,
most likely.
1559
01:19:41,057 --> 01:19:43,290
- Yes, that is absolutely
true.
1560
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:46,025
Humans are
accidentally injured,
1561
01:19:46,131 --> 01:19:48,513
by directing every day.
1562
01:19:48,513 --> 01:19:51,406
But no one saw say "look, the
Humans are accidentally injured,
1563
01:19:51,406 --> 01:19:54,214
then we should pick up their cars
and make them hit,
1564
01:19:54,214 --> 01:19:55,568
reaching as many people
we can. "
1565
01:19:55,629 --> 01:19:57,817
We will not, as a society,
get to a place where
1566
01:19:57,842 --> 01:20:00,848
we take these damages in
serious consideration,
1567
01:20:00,848 --> 01:20:06,073
if we still intentionally
free of charge and without good reason,
1568
01:20:06,073 --> 01:20:07,724
They cause suffering to animals.
1569
01:20:07,755 --> 01:20:09,964
- And ... my last ditch ...
1570
01:20:09,963 --> 01:20:10,963
- And the plants?
1571
01:20:11,042 --> 01:20:12,340
(Jonathan Balcombe, PhD in the Department. Of
Studies Animals, Humane Society)
1572
01:20:12,365 --> 01:20:14,452
- You need not worry
with plants
1573
01:20:14,452 --> 01:20:16,420
because they are not
sentient organisms.
1574
01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:18,549
They can not move from one
place to another,
1575
01:20:18,549 --> 01:20:22,057
so that evolution is not the
equipped with the need to feel
1576
01:20:22,057 --> 01:20:25,564
pain, pleasure to escape
something, or move ....
1577
01:20:25,916 --> 01:20:29,002
And we understand the mechanics
fluid whereby the flower
1578
01:20:29,002 --> 01:20:32,073
follows the sun across the sky,
for example,
1579
01:20:32,073 --> 01:20:34,463
so we understand the operation
a motor car.
1580
01:20:34,643 --> 01:20:36,414
- So I went back to the street.
1581
01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:39,317
- What would be the reason for you
not want to be vegetarian?
1582
01:20:41,130 --> 01:20:45,430
- Because I need meat,
I need protein.
1583
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:46,234
- Proteins?
- IT IS.
1584
01:20:46,237 --> 01:20:48,878
- I became vegan 8
December 1995.
1585
01:20:49,136 --> 01:20:53,251
I gained 34kg and turned a champion
vegan bodybuilding.
1586
01:20:53,251 --> 01:20:58,792
There is a misconception to relate
veganism as weakness or strength,
1587
01:20:58,792 --> 01:21:02,842
or lack of ability to obtain
adequate nutrition, and the like.
1588
01:21:02,842 --> 01:21:07,621
But in reality, the primary sources
nutrition, vitamins, minerals,
1589
01:21:07,621 --> 01:21:10,422
amino acids, fats, glucose,
complete proteins,
1590
01:21:10,422 --> 01:21:12,447
all these things we need,
They are found
1591
01:21:12,447 --> 01:21:14,438
in plant-based foods.
1592
01:21:14,465 --> 01:21:15,634
In their primary sources.
1593
01:21:15,634 --> 01:21:16,566
They are where they come from.
1594
01:21:16,566 --> 01:21:19,017
- Of course ... I'm not a doctor.
1595
01:21:19,017 --> 01:21:20,916
- I started as a
indweller,
1596
01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:25,439
and spent the last eight years, essentially,
as a clinician.
1597
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:30,431
The justification we used for our
abuse, mistreatment and exploitation of
1598
01:21:30,431 --> 01:21:34,656
nonhuman animals is that we
we judge them as "the other"
1599
01:21:34,656 --> 01:21:36,657
as something less than us and
1600
01:21:36,657 --> 01:21:41,083
be seen as something for which I
I am very sensitive, because
1601
01:21:41,083 --> 01:21:46,125
as African American, in this country
We saw long as "other".
1602
01:21:46,125 --> 01:21:50,470
Once I became a vegetarian and
convinced that a diet based on
1603
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:53,621
in vegetables is more healthy diet
to humans,
1604
01:21:53,621 --> 01:21:57,965
I definitely wanted to spend my
life trying to educate people
1605
01:21:57,965 --> 01:22:01,148
the fact that they can live
healthier,
1606
01:22:01,148 --> 01:22:03,779
without disease and longer life,
1607
01:22:03,779 --> 01:22:05,466
- OK OK.
1608
01:22:05,466 --> 01:22:07,394
So what else do we have?
1609
01:22:07,394 --> 01:22:09,321
- It's the same again
and again.
1610
01:22:09,321 --> 01:22:14,026
- Yeah, you could explain ... food
Vegetarian emerged as a mixture?
1611
01:22:14,026 --> 01:22:20,039
- Yeah, you know, may be a mixture,
not much, a lot of variety.
1612
01:22:20,469 --> 01:22:24,755
- This is the Franchia a
vegan restaurant in Manhattan.
1613
01:22:25,075 --> 01:22:27,741
- I am Shery Choi, the owner
this restaurant
1614
01:22:27,741 --> 01:22:30,229
I'm vegan for over 15 years.
1615
01:22:30,779 --> 01:22:31,897
Soy chicken skewers,
1616
01:22:31,897 --> 01:22:36,343
It's better than chicken, and is fried
lightly.
1617
01:22:36,343 --> 01:22:40,168
You pacifier in the chicken
barbecue sauce and ... encased!
1618
01:22:40,224 --> 01:22:42,812
This is our Skewer
lobster balls
1619
01:22:42,812 --> 01:22:47,125
The texture is very similar
a real lobster.
1620
01:22:47,125 --> 01:22:49,046
This is our cheesecake.
1621
01:22:49,295 --> 01:22:53,001
Everyone loves, is fully
no dairy.
1622
01:22:53,001 --> 01:22:55,841
We received comments such as "Oh,
my God, oh my God,
1623
01:22:55,841 --> 01:22:59,723
is a vegan cheesecake, we did not know
which tastes even better than a cheesecake!
1624
01:22:59,763 --> 01:23:01,273
- People even say which is better?
- Yup!
1625
01:23:01,273 --> 01:23:03,473
- We decided to test this proposal.
1626
01:23:03,776 --> 01:23:05,309
- She likes.
- That's it?
1627
01:23:06,993 --> 01:23:08,804
- It vegetarian lobster.
1628
01:23:10,026 --> 01:23:11,692
Not true lobster.
1629
01:23:12,366 --> 01:23:13,433
- Wow, that's real?
1630
01:23:13,791 --> 01:23:15,063
- Can I have the rest?
1631
01:23:15,149 --> 01:23:17,934
- If you go to supermarkets as
Whole Foods, some of
1632
01:23:17,934 --> 01:23:20,184
stores "natural products"
1633
01:23:20,184 --> 01:23:25,189
you can buy soy sausages,
soy meat,
1634
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:28,137
If you are the shalt as Barnes &
Nobles, you will have a shelf
1635
01:23:28,137 --> 01:23:30,113
only whole book
vegetarian cuisine.
1636
01:23:30,113 --> 01:23:31,113
1637
01:23:32,602 --> 01:23:35,763
- Remember Paul Shapiro, of
Humane Society?
1638
01:23:36,065 --> 01:23:39,252
He showed me some versions
vegan of my favorite foods.
1639
01:23:39,651 --> 01:23:41,139
In his kitchen.
1640
01:23:41,396 --> 01:23:44,266
- Becoming vegan is not
patrol your life,
1641
01:23:44,266 --> 01:23:46,176
take everything so as
dramatic
1642
01:23:46,505 --> 01:23:49,438
No more than make a few
free choices.
1643
01:23:49,969 --> 01:23:53,479
I am still a person who
like running,
1644
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,996
or lifting,
play football....
1645
01:23:55,996 --> 01:23:59,944
Some of them have taste
identical to the normal meat.
1646
01:23:59,944 --> 01:24:01,232
Some do not.
1647
01:24:01,232 --> 01:24:04,151
The question is not exactly
mimic the taste.
1648
01:24:04,176 --> 01:24:06,469
If we were born eating
vegan meat and we spent
1649
01:24:06,469 --> 01:24:09,239
eating animal flesh, we would say
"Hey, you do not have the same flavor."
1650
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,542
We are not talking about
huge sacrifices here.
1651
01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:14,839
The biggest problem you
can have
1652
01:24:14,839 --> 01:24:17,064
It is if your friends want to go
a restaurant
1653
01:24:17,064 --> 01:24:18,800
that does not have many
vegan options,
1654
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,734
And you end up asking a mass
or a salad, for want.
1655
01:24:21,855 --> 01:24:22,749
Nothing much.
1656
01:24:22,749 --> 01:24:30,465
- It is so easy to go buy vegan meats,
go shopping as normal meat.
1657
01:24:30,465 --> 01:24:34,029
- Or you may have more options
when demand for natural food stores.
1658
01:24:34,029 --> 01:24:35,331
Trader Joes and as
Whole Foods.
1659
01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:37,999
Sites are so easy to go
as mercadões.
1660
01:24:37,999 --> 01:24:41,267
What is then the excuse
to buy animal products?
1661
01:24:41,267 --> 01:24:44,160
- Ra ... you know?
1662
01:24:45,660 --> 01:24:49,446
It was all ... Well, is essentially
a matter of habit.
1663
01:24:49,446 --> 01:24:52,591
We were used to eating these
products for so long,
1664
01:24:52,591 --> 01:24:54,582
it becomes "normal" to us.
1665
01:24:54,582 --> 01:24:57,993
But just because something has become habit,
does not mean that
1666
01:24:57,993 --> 01:25:01,421
we have to continue
making for life.
1667
01:25:01,792 --> 01:25:05,487
- If you lived at the time of
animal slavery,
1668
01:25:05,487 --> 01:25:07,220
you think would be
an abolitionist?
1669
01:25:07,220 --> 01:25:11,341
Or do you think that would probably
with the majority and support slavery?
1670
01:25:11,341 --> 01:25:14,173
- I probably would
an abolitionist.
1671
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:16,757
- You would be an abolitionist,
do you think?
1672
01:25:16,757 --> 01:25:18,390
- Hope so!
1673
01:25:19,026 --> 01:25:21,331
Over the past 4 years
(Jon Camp - NGO Vegan Outreach)
1674
01:25:21,331 --> 01:25:24,739
I had the chance to distribute pamphlets in
about 300 colleges,
1675
01:25:24,739 --> 01:25:29,066
delivering about 350,000
booklets so far.
1676
01:25:30,832 --> 01:25:33,702
I ... I like .. I'm trying to
find something that does not seem
1677
01:25:33,702 --> 01:25:35,337
I am convinced,
I'm boasting.
1678
01:25:35,337 --> 01:25:38,202
It is in our day to day lives that our
pamphleteers,
1679
01:25:38,202 --> 01:25:40,986
our few pamphleteers,
cross with people
1680
01:25:41,027 --> 01:25:43,307
and hear something that encourages ...
1681
01:25:43,335 --> 01:25:46,149
"Hey, I got a flyer
with you a year ago
1682
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:48,864
and do not eat meat, I will come
vegan since. "
1683
01:25:48,864 --> 01:25:50,706
- Animal lovers
They are changing the culture.
1684
01:25:50,706 --> 01:25:52,330
PETA alone
in the last year,
1685
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:57,205
It distributed more than 850,000 of our
"Starter Kit to Vegetarianism."
1686
01:25:57,205 --> 01:25:59,384
And millions of leaflets vegetarians.
1687
01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:03,033
And we have more than 1 million
People in our website
1688
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:05,745
who are watching our video
"Meet your Meat" (Know your meat).
1689
01:26:05,885 --> 01:26:06,992
- This move is effective?
1690
01:26:07,529 --> 01:26:09,125
- It is fantastically effective.
1691
01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:10,844
When we asked people
why they adopted
1692
01:26:10,883 --> 01:26:12,696
a vegetarian diet,
today,
1693
01:26:12,696 --> 01:26:15,476
the number one response is to have assisted
the "Meet your Meat".
1694
01:26:15,476 --> 01:26:18,797
- When the Vegan Outreach started
the program "Pioneering the Faculty"
1695
01:26:18,797 --> 01:26:21,618
We delivered over 8000 booklets
the first year.
1696
01:26:21,618 --> 01:26:26,959
Seven years later, we are distributing
over 1 million each year.
1697
01:26:27,055 --> 01:26:28,205
- A million?
1698
01:26:28,205 --> 01:26:33,039
- Yes, we have an increase of more than
10 times in those seven years.
1699
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:35,528
And these booklets are having a
huge impact
1700
01:26:35,528 --> 01:26:36,471
among college students.
1701
01:26:36,497 --> 01:26:40,690
- For a conservative estimate,
have a million vegans,
1702
01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:42,162
we have much more than that.
1703
01:26:42,409 --> 01:26:45,301
If each of these people
convince just one person
1704
01:26:45,301 --> 01:26:47,304
becoming vegan
5 years
1705
01:26:47,304 --> 01:26:50,160
and many of us have convinced
much more than that,
1706
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,918
we will have 2 million vegans
in 5 years.
1707
01:26:52,918 --> 01:26:54,709
4 million in 10 years,
1708
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:56,891
8 million in 15 years.
1709
01:26:56,891 --> 01:27:01,491
- The amount of vegetarian options
and vegan will always increase,
1710
01:27:01,450 --> 01:27:04,507
It will become increasingly easier
1711
01:27:04,507 --> 01:27:06,087
for more and more people.
1712
01:27:06,087 --> 01:27:09,020
- You enter the Whole Foods, and
10 years ago they had
1713
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,485
very few options
vegan, now have
1714
01:27:11,485 --> 01:27:12,099
an entire vegan section!
1715
01:27:12,099 --> 01:27:14,339
And Burger King has
a veggie cheeseburger.
1716
01:27:14,484 --> 01:27:16,989
- Do you think there will be a
crucial turning point?
1717
01:27:16,989 --> 01:27:21,148
- Yes, I think it is inevitable that,
at any moment,
1718
01:27:21,148 --> 01:27:24,440
we have to have a
serious social discussion
1719
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:28,398
on the ethics of creating and killing
Pet food.
1720
01:27:28,665 --> 01:27:31,535
- We are making progress in
speed of light.
1721
01:27:31,535 --> 01:27:35,004
compared to past movements
social justice.
1722
01:27:35,004 --> 01:27:38,108
And we, as a species, we can only
continue to deny science,
1723
01:27:38,108 --> 01:27:39,296
For so long.
1724
01:27:39,658 --> 01:27:43,865
We can only go on living,
until then, out of our principles.
1725
01:27:43,865 --> 01:27:45,246
For so long.
1726
01:27:45,246 --> 01:27:46,886
We get there.
1727
01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:48,229
The Animal Liberation.
1728
01:27:48,445 --> 01:27:50,011
- But there is more.
1729
01:27:50,135 --> 01:27:52,409
Treatment of animals over
which we talked,
1730
01:27:52,409 --> 01:27:54,667
It has been the legal standard
treatment.
1731
01:27:54,667 --> 01:27:55,988
But it goes beyond that.
1732
01:27:55,988 --> 01:27:59,135
And you can go much further,
often.
1733
01:27:59,252 --> 01:28:02,213
- We made dozens of
Covert investigations
1734
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:03,633
from coast to coast.
1735
01:28:03,658 --> 01:28:07,153
We not infrequently found
deplorable conditions,
1736
01:28:07,178 --> 01:28:08,435
(Nathan Runkle - Executive Director of the NGO Mercy for Animals)
1737
01:28:08,435 --> 01:28:12,262
Animals that are neglected
to die without veterinary care.
1738
01:28:12,262 --> 01:28:15,132
Whenever we encounter
physical abuse in factory farms.
1739
01:28:15,132 --> 01:28:18,731
Every time we send researchers
the factory farms, we find
1740
01:28:18,731 --> 01:28:23,726
find prey birds,
or wedged in wire cages,
1741
01:28:23,814 --> 01:28:28,915
Loose iron enters the skin of these
birds, tearing it.
1742
01:28:28,915 --> 01:28:31,771
The birds often die
in these conditions.
1743
01:28:31,943 --> 01:28:37,605
Their bodies are left there,
the birds still producing eggs
1744
01:28:37,605 --> 01:28:38,586
for human consumption.
1745
01:28:38,586 --> 01:28:41,134
We say investigations on farms
milk production,
1746
01:28:41,134 --> 01:28:44,342
in which there is much manure, cows
They slip in their own feces,
1747
01:28:44,342 --> 01:28:48,618
we also find nuts-mothers
with untreated injuries
1748
01:28:48,618 --> 01:28:51,983
Everything from broken bones to
Open wounds ...
1749
01:28:51,983 --> 01:28:55,409
It's something that industries want
people believe that it is
1750
01:28:55,434 --> 01:28:58,340
isolated fact, an aberration.
1751
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:03,627
But we know that this simply
part of the deal farms.
1752
01:29:04,932 --> 01:29:07,306
- There was one last
All he had to do.
1753
01:29:07,907 --> 01:29:10,938
Something I never imagined
He would.
1754
01:29:11,538 --> 01:29:16,405
I had to talk to more people
reputable, ethically engaged.
1755
01:29:16,763 --> 01:29:20,208
To find out if they can
be wrong about something.
1756
01:29:20,233 --> 01:29:22,406
"Freedom is not a gift from God,
we must fight for it every day "
1757
01:29:22,406 --> 01:29:23,637
- Simon Wiesenthal.
1758
01:29:23,637 --> 01:29:26,210
- Well, we are a leading organization
Human Rights,
1759
01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:27,699
under Jewish auspices,
1760
01:29:27,699 --> 01:29:30,865
but we used the holocaust idea
to educate people
1761
01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:34,392
against attacks schedule
against Judaism.
1762
01:29:34,952 --> 01:29:37,144
Also on indifference, empathy.
1763
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,537
- What's wrong with the comparison
made between Holocaust and animals?
1764
01:29:40,537 --> 01:29:41,305
- Good...
1765
01:29:41,975 --> 01:29:43,442
- There are many problems?
1766
01:29:43,567 --> 01:29:46,662
- There are many, many
difficulties involved.
1767
01:29:47,031 --> 01:29:48,777
The first is
1768
01:29:48,777 --> 01:29:52,480
which tends to put the
human beings
1769
01:29:52,596 --> 01:29:55,273
and animals in the same level.
1770
01:29:55,273 --> 01:29:58,084
- And how will choose belonging
as a Especia
1771
01:29:58,084 --> 01:30:00,133
as the dividing line of morality,
1772
01:30:00,411 --> 01:30:02,856
rather than humans with certain
characteristics...
1773
01:30:02,856 --> 01:30:04,631
- Do not have to go that far ...
- Right.
1774
01:30:04,631 --> 01:30:07,239
- Just say "no human,
and there is everything else. "
1775
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:08,163
- OK.
1776
01:30:08,409 --> 01:30:10,496
- I realized that he was
a common speciesist.
1777
01:30:10,496 --> 01:30:13,983
So I left the subject of value
non human suffering ....
1778
01:30:14,184 --> 01:30:16,337
And it was pro real reason
I was there.
1779
01:30:16,337 --> 01:30:19,195
- Do you agree that, for example,
beating a dog
1780
01:30:19,195 --> 01:30:24,448
cause him more grief than
a small slap on a person?
1781
01:30:24,448 --> 01:30:25,325
- Oh, of course!
1782
01:30:25,325 --> 01:30:27,367
- It's just ... so ...
1783
01:30:27,367 --> 01:30:29,119
Many of these people say
1784
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,016
if we can make some kind
comparison,
1785
01:30:31,016 --> 01:30:34,125
they say that the suffering of
animals in factory farms today
1786
01:30:34,125 --> 01:30:39,752
with billions of birds, pigs suffering ...
throughout his life
1787
01:30:39,752 --> 01:30:41,455
physically and psychologically,
1788
01:30:41,455 --> 01:30:44,991
despite the discussion of which
suffering is more important,
1789
01:30:44,991 --> 01:30:46,858
just as a matter of fact,
1790
01:30:47,048 --> 01:30:50,098
more suffering than
what happened in the Holocaust.
1791
01:30:50,238 --> 01:30:50,855
- Never.
1792
01:30:50,855 --> 01:30:51,768
- I can not acr ...
1793
01:30:51,793 --> 01:30:54,900
- It's ridiculous ... and the Law of
Animals defend others,
1794
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:55,990
will only mark
his point.
1795
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:57,483
For others to hear them.
1796
01:30:57,741 --> 01:31:00,463
- So come on, let's
explain why it is ridiculous ...
1797
01:31:00,631 --> 01:31:03,928
- I did not compare because ...
It is also incomparable to scene
1798
01:31:03,967 --> 01:31:05,221
Animal suffering
with human ...
1799
01:31:05,221 --> 01:31:08,158
- But we are not comparing
the value, only a practical matter ....
1800
01:31:08,158 --> 01:31:09,745
no more suffering going on,
1801
01:31:09,745 --> 01:31:11,693
because they are intensively suffering
for all life...
1802
01:31:11,693 --> 01:31:13,262
and there are billions of them.
1803
01:31:13,416 --> 01:31:16,607
And there were several million people
who suffered in the Holocaust ...
1804
01:31:16,606 --> 01:31:18,537
and there is more suffering ....
1805
01:31:18,537 --> 01:31:22,024
- You can compare the suffering
a female nut
1806
01:31:22,024 --> 01:31:24,438
which has its separate piglet,
1807
01:31:24,438 --> 01:31:29,127
the suffering of a woman or
a man who has her baby
1808
01:31:29,152 --> 01:31:31,087
taken by the Nazis
and dead?
1809
01:31:31,435 --> 01:31:32,431
- Why, that's what ...
1810
01:31:32,431 --> 01:31:34,222
- Can not. I do not think
you can. I do not care how ...
1811
01:31:34,222 --> 01:31:36,775
- A pig is supposedly very
very smart, but
1812
01:31:36,775 --> 01:31:38,864
I do not think he has one
same feeling.
1813
01:31:38,864 --> 01:31:41,008
- But it has, he has,
for example,
1814
01:31:41,008 --> 01:31:45,377
the nut parent spends his life in the cage
small, they go crazy
1815
01:31:45,377 --> 01:31:51,631
and hit his head against the
splitter bars ... mutilate themselves ...
1816
01:31:51,631 --> 01:31:55,935
- Still does not compare ...
- Suffer a lifetime, and there are millions of them.
1817
01:31:55,935 --> 01:31:58,724
So they say ... forget how
valuable you find suffering,
1818
01:31:58,724 --> 01:32:01,058
no more suffering going on there.
1819
01:32:01,166 --> 01:32:02,615
- I do not know.
1820
01:32:02,894 --> 01:32:05,892
I really do not know.
1821
01:32:19,505 --> 01:32:20,572
- When I left,
1822
01:32:21,134 --> 01:32:22,534
those same streets,
1823
01:32:23,391 --> 01:32:24,687
they seemed different.
1824
01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:27,767
And I think
always will be.
1825
01:32:29,245 --> 01:32:30,679
But now you also know.
1826
01:32:31,391 --> 01:32:32,391
And you will.
1827
01:32:33,321 --> 01:32:34,618
In the streets.
1828
01:32:36,235 --> 01:32:40,501
It would be the largest the Speciesism
weirdness that pacified humanity?
1829
01:32:42,272 --> 01:32:44,872
Could this be the
ultimate choice?
1830
01:32:45,277 --> 01:32:47,110
Pretend it never
we heard that?
1831
01:32:47,495 --> 01:32:49,161
Or take responsibility
ara itself.
1832
01:32:49,833 --> 01:32:50,833
For us.
1833
01:32:52,966 --> 01:32:55,671
I do not know the answers
to these questions.
1834
01:32:57,111 --> 01:32:59,972
But this film is not designed
to give the answers ...
1835
01:33:00,428 --> 01:33:02,032
It is designed to
submit questions.
1836
01:33:02,554 --> 01:33:04,274
Why is not my
decision.
1837
01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:05,690
It is your decision!
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