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Put it like this. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,125 A Negro builds up a double defense. 13 00:00:45,208 --> 00:00:47,625 When you are a kid, you have to prepare 14 00:00:47,708 --> 00:00:50,416 to be able to do much more than a White boy, 15 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:53,291 so that if the time comes 16 00:00:53,375 --> 00:00:56,208 where your talent is pitted against a White man, 17 00:00:56,291 --> 00:00:59,166 you will get the nod because they can't afford to lose you. 18 00:01:00,958 --> 00:01:03,125 The term, "living in a White man's world" 19 00:01:03,208 --> 00:01:05,083 is one I don't particularly like. 20 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:08,083 A lot of Negroes use it, a lot of Whites use it. 21 00:01:08,166 --> 00:01:10,583 But I consider this my world. 22 00:01:15,833 --> 00:01:21,291 ♪ This world Is going up in flames ♪ 23 00:01:21,375 --> 00:01:25,375 ♪ And nobody Wanna take the blame ♪ 24 00:01:25,458 --> 00:01:29,000 - Hands up! Don't shoot! - Hands up! Don't shoot! 25 00:01:29,083 --> 00:01:32,500 ♪ Don't tell me How to live my life ♪ 26 00:01:32,583 --> 00:01:37,666 ♪ When you Never felt the pain ♪ 27 00:01:39,583 --> 00:01:43,833 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 28 00:01:43,916 --> 00:01:49,333 ♪ Ooh! They don't hear me cry ♪ 29 00:01:49,416 --> 00:01:56,791 ♪ Ooh! Oh, it's killing me ♪ 30 00:01:56,875 --> 00:01:59,791 ♪ A better world, oh baby! ♪ 31 00:01:59,875 --> 00:02:04,333 ♪ Gotta make it baby Gotta make it right ♪ 32 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:06,500 ♪ Baby! Oh! ♪ 33 00:02:15,875 --> 00:02:17,791 Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. 34 00:02:21,083 --> 00:02:24,541 I only can imagine if Gordon Parks was alive now. 35 00:02:24,625 --> 00:02:26,041 What he would be able to do. 36 00:02:26,125 --> 00:02:28,000 You know, to talk about these serious issues. 37 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:32,833 Always something going on around here. 38 00:02:35,375 --> 00:02:36,541 There you go, shorty. 39 00:02:37,666 --> 00:02:40,125 I had to make a lot of mistakes, you know, 40 00:02:40,208 --> 00:02:41,916 to get to where I am now. 41 00:02:56,666 --> 00:02:59,791 I was hustling, and I was in the streets. 42 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:03,833 I lost like my first friend at like 16, 17, 43 00:03:03,916 --> 00:03:06,708 due to gun violence, and that kind of, like, changed my world. 44 00:03:07,666 --> 00:03:09,000 I wanted to really pursue art. 45 00:03:09,083 --> 00:03:10,291 So I would go to Barnes & Noble, 46 00:03:10,375 --> 00:03:12,625 and just, like, have all these photography books out. 47 00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:14,750 And I just would, like, sit and look at Gordon's work, 48 00:03:14,833 --> 00:03:16,875 if it was him shooting his stuff in Harlem. 49 00:03:21,708 --> 00:03:24,000 The story, the gang... 50 00:03:24,083 --> 00:03:25,916 that's still going on to this day. 51 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:33,208 I was like, "So I can shoot all these things too. 52 00:03:33,291 --> 00:03:34,625 I'ma get me a camera." 53 00:03:37,208 --> 00:03:39,583 So it started off as just a personal journey... 54 00:03:41,291 --> 00:03:43,625 ...but as I got deep into my career, 55 00:03:43,708 --> 00:03:45,125 that's when I really started realizing 56 00:03:45,208 --> 00:03:48,250 how powerful an image can be. 57 00:03:49,958 --> 00:03:51,916 'Cause my career is literally built on 58 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,416 the broken back of Freddie Gray. 59 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:55,541 The 25-year-old falls into a coma 60 00:03:55,625 --> 00:03:57,916 at shock trauma and dies seven days later. 61 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,416 Freddie! Freddie! Freddie! 62 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,083 I knew how my city was, 63 00:04:02,166 --> 00:04:04,750 and the energy that was, like, kinda vibrating. 64 00:04:04,833 --> 00:04:06,083 So I just took to the streets. 65 00:04:06,166 --> 00:04:09,750 No justice, no peace! No racist police! 66 00:04:09,833 --> 00:04:12,208 When everything really hit the fan 67 00:04:12,291 --> 00:04:14,041 is when we were down in Camden Yards, 68 00:04:14,125 --> 00:04:15,666 and all the police were worried about the fact 69 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:17,000 that we had an Orioles game. 70 00:04:17,083 --> 00:04:20,500 Some fans at the bars were actually calling us the N-word, 71 00:04:20,583 --> 00:04:22,333 they were calling us monkeys. 72 00:04:22,416 --> 00:04:24,250 And that's what actually started everything. 73 00:04:27,458 --> 00:04:30,125 And this guy runs past, and he throws something, 74 00:04:30,208 --> 00:04:32,458 and I just snapped the picture. I don't think nothing of it. 75 00:04:33,708 --> 00:04:35,416 I remember just uploading the image 76 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:37,958 while all of this was going on, saying, "We're sick and tired." 77 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:42,166 And around that time, I get like 78 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:44,791 a blocked call come through, and he is like, 79 00:04:44,875 --> 00:04:46,458 "This is Olivier from TIME magazine. 80 00:04:46,541 --> 00:04:48,791 I wanted to talk to Devin Allen about his work in Baltimore. 81 00:04:48,875 --> 00:04:50,208 What publication are you with?" 82 00:04:50,291 --> 00:04:52,000 I'm like, "I'm not with no publication." 83 00:04:53,250 --> 00:04:55,583 And I told them my story, and we did a blog from it. 84 00:04:57,291 --> 00:05:00,125 I go to sleep. I wake up, 85 00:05:00,208 --> 00:05:03,541 and I just see all these, like, tweets. And it says, 86 00:05:03,625 --> 00:05:05,416 "Amateur photographer from West Baltimore 87 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:07,541 snags the cover of TIME magazine." 88 00:05:07,625 --> 00:05:11,666 And I just burst out in tears, and I call my mother, 89 00:05:11,750 --> 00:05:13,166 and she burst out in tears, 90 00:05:13,250 --> 00:05:14,833 and my whole family is just crying. 91 00:05:18,958 --> 00:05:21,750 For the first time, I understood what Gordon was talking about, 92 00:05:21,833 --> 00:05:24,000 that the camera is a real weapon, 93 00:05:24,083 --> 00:05:26,875 and I realized how powerful I am with a camera in my hand. 94 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:34,250 I might have turned eventually 95 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:38,166 to the gun or the knife as a weapon to survive, 96 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:40,958 but by then I had chosen the camera. 97 00:05:42,833 --> 00:05:46,916 Photography was the way in which I could express my own feelings 98 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,291 about racism in America, 99 00:05:50,458 --> 00:05:52,833 about the downtrodden. 100 00:05:52,916 --> 00:05:54,750 And somehow or another, I might 101 00:05:54,833 --> 00:05:56,791 transcend my own experience. 102 00:05:59,583 --> 00:06:02,958 I live off of my emotions, perhaps, you know. 103 00:06:03,041 --> 00:06:05,458 And so I had turned those emotions 104 00:06:05,541 --> 00:06:10,416 into some mercenary thing, by which I could survive. 105 00:06:14,625 --> 00:06:17,250 What distinguishes Gordon Parks 106 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:20,291 from a lot of other artists is that he had 107 00:06:20,375 --> 00:06:22,916 a quintessentially authentic Black experience. 108 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,166 I mean, he was the child of Black people 109 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:27,000 who had fled enslavement. 110 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:31,625 Growing up in Kansas, 111 00:06:31,708 --> 00:06:34,625 to be proximate to lynching and racial terrorism, 112 00:06:34,708 --> 00:06:36,458 to understand the weight 113 00:06:36,541 --> 00:06:39,125 that people of color felt in these spaces 114 00:06:39,208 --> 00:06:42,083 where you had to basically be two people. 115 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:44,458 One person around White people 116 00:06:44,541 --> 00:06:46,333 that would keep you safe, 117 00:06:46,416 --> 00:06:48,583 and another person with your family. 118 00:06:48,666 --> 00:06:52,583 I think just gave him an insight to the Black narrative. 119 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,583 Boy, they sure are having a good ol' time 120 00:06:58,666 --> 00:07:00,000 over there at that crap game. 121 00:07:00,083 --> 00:07:03,666 Kansas itself offered you freedom on one hand, 122 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:06,583 and on the other hand, it was trying to take it away from you. 123 00:07:06,666 --> 00:07:09,750 Tuck! Tuck! Kirky's coming! 124 00:07:12,791 --> 00:07:14,250 Run, Tuck, run! 125 00:07:16,583 --> 00:07:18,375 Stop damn it, I'll shoot! 126 00:07:26,125 --> 00:07:28,250 Four or five of my closest friends 127 00:07:28,333 --> 00:07:30,333 had died through violence. 128 00:07:30,416 --> 00:07:32,291 About four people were shot to death. 129 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:36,291 My mother wanted me out of there. 130 00:07:36,375 --> 00:07:39,125 She knew it was a dangerous place for me to live. 131 00:07:42,833 --> 00:07:46,541 Gordon lived a wandering life as a young person. 132 00:07:46,625 --> 00:07:48,500 He gets a job as a waiter 133 00:07:48,583 --> 00:07:50,666 on the dining car of the Northern Pacific. 134 00:07:52,083 --> 00:07:54,041 I had great expectations, you know. 135 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:56,250 I thought I was going to conquer a new world. 136 00:07:56,333 --> 00:07:59,625 He had to go through getting kicked off of the trains. 137 00:07:59,708 --> 00:08:02,125 He had to go through hanging out with the bums. 138 00:08:02,208 --> 00:08:04,875 He had to go through all these different forms of life, 139 00:08:04,958 --> 00:08:06,916 but when you're traveling around the world 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,125 and you're in a place where you've never been before, 141 00:08:09,208 --> 00:08:11,708 the first thing that you have to do is observe. 142 00:08:13,541 --> 00:08:14,833 And the more you observe, 143 00:08:14,916 --> 00:08:17,375 the more you understand what's going on around you. 144 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:21,916 He would ride the trains and pick up the magazines, 145 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,083 and look at imagery and be informed behind that. 146 00:08:24,166 --> 00:08:26,166 Having an opportunity to go to different cities, 147 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:28,166 under some really harsh conditions, 148 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:30,666 just to survive and being amongst the filth 149 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:33,416 and the drunkenness and addiction. 150 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:35,583 Luckily for him, he was able to get that camera. 151 00:08:40,958 --> 00:08:42,541 He's teaching himself photography 152 00:08:42,625 --> 00:08:45,250 by reading, uh, training manuals. 153 00:08:45,333 --> 00:08:48,041 His studio was the kitchen of his home, 154 00:08:48,125 --> 00:08:51,541 and his lights were made from tin cans. 155 00:08:51,625 --> 00:08:53,500 That's how Gordon Parks started out, you know, 156 00:08:53,583 --> 00:08:56,500 making pictures and then selling them to the newspaper. 157 00:08:59,166 --> 00:09:01,333 When Black photographers began 158 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:03,333 capturing African American life, 159 00:09:03,416 --> 00:09:05,083 it created a new relationship 160 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:08,083 for Black people to their own identity. 161 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:14,291 When Gordon Parks came along, he found value and interest 162 00:09:14,375 --> 00:09:17,916 and art in the lives of ordinary people. 163 00:09:20,208 --> 00:09:22,125 At a time and in a society 164 00:09:22,208 --> 00:09:24,916 where Black people were told far too often 165 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,958 that we're criminals, that we're ugly, 166 00:09:28,041 --> 00:09:29,333 that we're less worthy 167 00:09:29,416 --> 00:09:32,250 to have the spotlight on us for any reason, 168 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:37,250 Gordon put a lens and a light on us for ourselves. 169 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:39,958 And allowed us to see the elegance of the lives 170 00:09:40,041 --> 00:09:41,875 that we live and the places where we are. 171 00:09:50,583 --> 00:09:54,250 In January 1942, Parks receives word 172 00:09:54,333 --> 00:09:56,000 that he's been awarded a fellowship 173 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:58,375 to work for a year at 174 00:09:58,458 --> 00:10:01,833 the Farm Security Administration in Washington. 175 00:10:01,916 --> 00:10:06,333 The purpose of the FSA was to resettle American farmers 176 00:10:06,416 --> 00:10:09,208 who had lost their land during the Dust Bowl. 177 00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:16,791 It set up a unit of photographers and filmmakers 178 00:10:16,875 --> 00:10:19,333 who could help to document what they were doing. 179 00:10:19,416 --> 00:10:23,041 It was run by a man by the name of Roy Stryker. 180 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:29,083 Many of the photographers who shot for 181 00:10:29,166 --> 00:10:32,541 the Farm Security Administration become heroes for Gordon Parks, 182 00:10:32,625 --> 00:10:35,458 and he's really interested in the process and their approach. 183 00:10:37,625 --> 00:10:39,500 And so his idea is, "Let me go out there, 184 00:10:39,583 --> 00:10:41,791 and let me mentor under Roy Stryker." 185 00:10:46,833 --> 00:10:48,333 He was the one who taught me 186 00:10:48,416 --> 00:10:49,958 that when you are doing a story, 187 00:10:50,041 --> 00:10:51,583 it's not for you to accept the people, 188 00:10:51,666 --> 00:10:52,791 but the people to accept you. 189 00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:56,000 Because you are going into their presence, 190 00:10:56,083 --> 00:10:58,291 asking them to help you. 191 00:10:58,375 --> 00:11:01,416 Roy Stryker actually introduces Gordon Parks 192 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:02,666 to the cleaning woman, 193 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:06,125 who cleans the offices in the Agriculture Department. 194 00:11:09,083 --> 00:11:10,875 A woman by the name of Ella Watson. 195 00:11:12,166 --> 00:11:14,208 He photographs her at work, 196 00:11:14,291 --> 00:11:16,833 sweeping floors, cleaning the offices. 197 00:11:18,750 --> 00:11:21,333 In one office, there's an American flag 198 00:11:21,416 --> 00:11:22,583 hanging on the wall. 199 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:27,625 Here is a woman 200 00:11:27,708 --> 00:11:30,375 who in some ways is the backbone of America... 201 00:11:32,583 --> 00:11:35,208 yet she is standing in front of a flag, 202 00:11:35,291 --> 00:11:38,208 in front of an America that didn't believe in her. 203 00:11:40,958 --> 00:11:43,125 Gordon Parks is one of my heroes. 204 00:11:46,125 --> 00:11:47,500 Ella Watson. 205 00:11:47,583 --> 00:11:50,500 This photograph, to me, talks about 206 00:11:50,583 --> 00:11:51,958 how our ancestors, 207 00:11:53,125 --> 00:11:55,625 from 1619, 208 00:11:55,708 --> 00:11:59,958 when that first slave ship hit Jamestown, Virginia. 209 00:12:00,041 --> 00:12:03,208 We have fought and died for this country. 210 00:12:03,291 --> 00:12:08,500 We have loved this country, but the love has not been returned. 211 00:12:08,583 --> 00:12:11,166 That's what this photograph says to me. 212 00:12:13,708 --> 00:12:16,791 Then I thought of Grant Wood and American Gothic. 213 00:12:18,916 --> 00:12:20,625 I said, "Take this broom in one hand, 214 00:12:20,708 --> 00:12:22,125 take this mop in the other, 215 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:24,125 and stand before that American flag." 216 00:12:26,166 --> 00:12:27,250 I blew it up the next morning, 217 00:12:27,333 --> 00:12:29,250 put it on Stryker's desk, and he nearly fainted. 218 00:12:29,333 --> 00:12:31,791 He said, "Oh my God, you're going to get us all fired." 219 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:38,583 She's standing in front of the American flag... 220 00:12:40,041 --> 00:12:42,666 in a society, a nation, and a government 221 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:48,541 that doesn't recognize her as a full human being. 222 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:52,958 I made a very innocent, bold, outrageous statement. 223 00:12:57,541 --> 00:13:00,583 You know, it reminds me of the Malcolm X quote, 224 00:13:00,666 --> 00:13:02,791 "The most hated, the most mistreated, 225 00:13:02,875 --> 00:13:06,833 and the most abused person in America is the Black woman." 226 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:09,541 There it is right there, written on her face. 227 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:16,541 Parks continues to photograph Ella Watson. 228 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:21,125 He worked with her for a period of weeks. 229 00:13:21,208 --> 00:13:24,875 He photographs her at church, he photographs her neighborhood. 230 00:13:24,958 --> 00:13:26,708 There is one amazing photograph 231 00:13:26,791 --> 00:13:28,916 that he makes of Ella Watson at home. 232 00:13:30,291 --> 00:13:32,208 The photograph is divided right down the middle, 233 00:13:32,291 --> 00:13:34,958 and you see Ella Watson on the left side, 234 00:13:35,041 --> 00:13:37,916 helping to feed one of the young kids. 235 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,666 On the right side of the picture there is a mirror, 236 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:44,208 and her adopted daughter is reflected in the mirror. 237 00:13:45,583 --> 00:13:47,666 You can see, also a photograph, 238 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:51,083 it's a photograph of Ella Watson's parents. 239 00:13:51,166 --> 00:13:54,166 So you're actually seeing four generations of this family, 240 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:55,541 all in one photograph 241 00:13:55,625 --> 00:13:58,541 that's composed in a very sophisticated way. 242 00:14:01,125 --> 00:14:03,250 That's the turning point for him. 243 00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:05,708 It's there, through this project, 244 00:14:05,791 --> 00:14:08,125 that he understands how important it is 245 00:14:08,208 --> 00:14:10,000 to get to know his subject. 246 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:12,416 To really try and depict the humanity 247 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,000 of the subjects that he is photographing. 248 00:14:29,583 --> 00:14:31,375 This is his way of holding on to me, 249 00:14:31,458 --> 00:14:34,166 and I don't spend enough time with him. 250 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:38,750 He says, "I got you now, can't go nowhere." 251 00:14:38,833 --> 00:14:41,291 - "What do you mean?" - Yeah, what you been doing? 252 00:14:41,375 --> 00:14:43,250 Leave me out here all by myself. 253 00:14:44,208 --> 00:14:46,625 Look this way, Mr. Smiley. 254 00:14:46,708 --> 00:14:50,583 When I read Gordon's autobiography, A Choice of Weapons, 255 00:14:50,666 --> 00:14:52,833 I mean, everything that he went through 256 00:14:52,916 --> 00:14:56,750 to define himself on his own terms 257 00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:58,750 and to say with the camera, 258 00:14:58,833 --> 00:15:01,416 "This is how I am going to make my mark and change 259 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,916 all the things that I don't like about America, right." 260 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,625 It stays with me because I grew up 261 00:15:08,708 --> 00:15:13,000 living in a dilapidated house next to the railroad 262 00:15:13,083 --> 00:15:15,250 in an industrial small town, 263 00:15:15,333 --> 00:15:19,000 watching everyone kind of disappear and the city shrink 264 00:15:19,083 --> 00:15:22,625 and have all our basic human rights stripped from us. 265 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,166 I found the ability to cope and move forward through art. 266 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,708 Right, it started out being drawings and paintings 267 00:15:36,791 --> 00:15:39,083 and then eventually moving into photography. 268 00:15:44,875 --> 00:15:47,750 Those photographs are what enabled me 269 00:15:47,833 --> 00:15:49,666 to save my own life. 270 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:03,791 In 2016, I was commissioned by ELLE magazine 271 00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:08,208 and Hearst Corporation to produce a photo essay 272 00:16:08,291 --> 00:16:10,541 about the Flint water crisis. 273 00:16:10,625 --> 00:16:13,750 It's not safe to drink the water in Flint, Michigan. 274 00:16:13,833 --> 00:16:16,375 Flint disconnected its water supply through Detroit 275 00:16:16,458 --> 00:16:19,250 and began drawing water from the Flint River instead. 276 00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:23,000 Highly corrosive river water flowed through the city's lead pipes, 277 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:26,458 leaching lead into the water supply. 278 00:16:26,541 --> 00:16:29,833 That's how Shea Cobb and I met 279 00:16:29,916 --> 00:16:33,666 and how I've built this very robust friendship. 280 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:37,750 It was for several months that I was photographing Shea 281 00:16:37,833 --> 00:16:39,875 and her eight-year-old daughter, Zion. 282 00:16:42,333 --> 00:16:45,916 And Shea was faced with having to decide 283 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,458 to protect her daughter's health, 284 00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:52,500 and the issue with lead is, in an eight-year-old child, 285 00:16:52,583 --> 00:16:54,958 it's going to leach into their brain. 286 00:16:56,333 --> 00:16:57,708 It couldn't have been more than a week 287 00:16:57,791 --> 00:17:00,833 that I was photographing Shea in Flint. 288 00:17:00,916 --> 00:17:02,958 She said her father sent her something. 289 00:17:04,541 --> 00:17:07,416 And it's a picture of her at the age of 12, 290 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:11,375 taking her first sip of water from a freshwater spring 291 00:17:11,458 --> 00:17:15,375 on the land where her father lives in Mississippi, 292 00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:18,375 with a message that said, 293 00:17:18,458 --> 00:17:21,083 "This water won't kill you. Come home." 294 00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:26,541 And so she makes the decision to leave her mother 295 00:17:26,625 --> 00:17:31,083 and make the reverse migration back to the South, 296 00:17:31,166 --> 00:17:32,791 where her father lives, 297 00:17:32,875 --> 00:17:36,666 on land that his family has always owned. 298 00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:39,333 Oh wow! He's gotten so much bigger. 299 00:17:39,416 --> 00:17:42,791 This is the one that I was seeing that was a baby? 300 00:17:42,875 --> 00:17:47,041 When I started doing karate moves, like to practice, he thinks he can do it, 301 00:17:47,125 --> 00:17:50,333 so he holds onto stuff and then fell flat on his butt. 302 00:17:50,416 --> 00:17:52,041 So I returned to Mississippi 303 00:17:52,125 --> 00:17:53,916 to continue a body of work 304 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,708 that I'm committed to with Shea Cobb, 305 00:17:57,791 --> 00:18:01,375 her daughter Zion, who's now 12, 306 00:18:01,458 --> 00:18:06,125 and Shea's father, Mr. Doug Smiley. 307 00:18:07,916 --> 00:18:11,416 Thank you, Lord, for this food and all of our many blessings. 308 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:14,833 - Thank you. - Amen. 309 00:18:14,916 --> 00:18:19,625 And so it was a tumultuous time to enter into Shea's life, 310 00:18:19,708 --> 00:18:21,625 and she didn't have to trust me, 311 00:18:21,708 --> 00:18:24,166 but I think it goes back to Gordon. 312 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:26,791 You need to be present 313 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:30,541 and talk to people for as long as it takes. 314 00:18:32,375 --> 00:18:36,625 I get to know the person that is the main subject of the work, 315 00:18:36,708 --> 00:18:39,291 and I learn to empathize... 316 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:45,250 and also allow their feelings to guide me through 317 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,333 the landscape that they inhabit. 318 00:18:49,208 --> 00:18:51,791 This was, you know, a real lesson 319 00:18:51,875 --> 00:18:53,291 about not only empathizing 320 00:18:53,375 --> 00:18:57,333 but listening and taking the instructions and allowing the images 321 00:18:57,416 --> 00:18:59,083 to be authored by someone else. 322 00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:01,583 Like, that's a real collaboration. 323 00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:04,083 And I also knew to take those cues 324 00:19:04,166 --> 00:19:08,958 because I had been closely looking at Ralph Ellison 325 00:19:09,041 --> 00:19:13,666 and Gordon Parks's collaboration in the late '40s. 326 00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:21,541 Ralph Ellison wrote Invisible Man. 327 00:19:21,625 --> 00:19:25,958 I did a story on the need of psychiatric treatment in Harlem. 328 00:19:31,375 --> 00:19:33,833 Ellison actually writes a manifesto 329 00:19:33,916 --> 00:19:36,750 for Gordon Parks titled the "Pictorial Problem." 330 00:19:38,583 --> 00:19:41,041 He wants the photographs to function 331 00:19:41,125 --> 00:19:43,833 as both document and symbol. 332 00:19:43,916 --> 00:19:47,208 And this phrase becomes a kind of guiding principle 333 00:19:47,291 --> 00:19:49,208 for Gordon Parks's entire career. 334 00:19:53,125 --> 00:19:57,666 This idea that photographs can transcend what is just being depicted. 335 00:19:59,750 --> 00:20:04,750 Ellison details a list of certain kinds of images 336 00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:07,250 that he would like Parks to make. 337 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:13,916 Images that psychologically impact the viewer. 338 00:20:16,541 --> 00:20:17,625 The feeling of a place 339 00:20:17,708 --> 00:20:21,333 and the feeling of being robbed and dehumanized... 340 00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:26,500 in an undulating poetic visual way. 341 00:20:29,875 --> 00:20:33,500 Later in 1952, Parks approaches Ralph Ellison. 342 00:20:33,583 --> 00:20:36,083 Ellison had just published Invisible Man, 343 00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:38,750 and he says, "Let's create another collaboration 344 00:20:38,833 --> 00:20:40,666 to celebrate the publication." 345 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,333 They go out on the streets once again and they create photographs 346 00:20:46,416 --> 00:20:49,250 that represent nearly every single scene in the book. 347 00:20:55,333 --> 00:20:58,000 This picture could have been taken during slavery. 348 00:20:58,083 --> 00:20:59,625 We're all tryna watch out 349 00:20:59,708 --> 00:21:01,791 for the motherfuckin' slave catchers. 350 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:07,041 And my brother here ran off the plantation. 351 00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:10,625 And he's running for his life. 352 00:21:18,041 --> 00:21:21,791 Parks takes the portfolio of images that he shot 353 00:21:21,875 --> 00:21:25,333 for his collaboration with Ralph Ellison in 1948 354 00:21:25,416 --> 00:21:26,958 to LIFE magazine, 355 00:21:27,041 --> 00:21:29,708 to pitch them a story about a Harlem gang leader. 356 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:34,958 LIFE magazine was the Bible. 357 00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:39,291 People read the newspapers, listened to the radio. 358 00:21:39,375 --> 00:21:44,208 But for many people, it really was LIFE magazine that helped them understand 359 00:21:44,291 --> 00:21:46,041 what was going on in America. 360 00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:47,416 I met the picture editor, 361 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:50,416 who offered me the great sum of 500 dollars 362 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:52,000 to do the Harlem gang story. 363 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:55,708 When I walked out of there, I was frightened. 364 00:21:55,791 --> 00:21:59,333 How do you walk in and ask the gang leader to let me photograph your life 365 00:21:59,416 --> 00:22:00,875 when he's hiding from the police? 366 00:22:03,291 --> 00:22:04,833 I used the broad approach 367 00:22:04,916 --> 00:22:06,875 when I first went up to the police precinct 368 00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:09,875 and asked one of the detectives if they knew such a gang leader. 369 00:22:09,958 --> 00:22:11,708 And they said, "Yeah, we know plenty of them, 370 00:22:11,791 --> 00:22:13,625 but none of them gonna let you photograph them." 371 00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:17,708 While I was in the precinct, a young man walked in, 372 00:22:17,791 --> 00:22:21,750 and he literally cursed the desk sergeant out about something. 373 00:22:21,833 --> 00:22:25,166 And so I said to my detective friend, "Who is that guy?" 374 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:29,625 He said, "That is the most notorious gang leader in all of Harlem." 375 00:22:32,375 --> 00:22:33,750 His name was Red Jackson. 376 00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:35,625 I told him I was from LIFE magazine. 377 00:22:35,708 --> 00:22:38,083 I want to do a story on him, very bluntly, you know. 378 00:22:38,166 --> 00:22:40,125 That's the way I got into that story. 379 00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:47,250 I didn't take pictures in the beginning. 380 00:22:47,333 --> 00:22:49,875 I just sort of sat with them on the stoop in Harlem 381 00:22:49,958 --> 00:22:53,541 in the hot summer days and listened to their talk. 382 00:22:58,041 --> 00:23:00,458 So one day he just said, 383 00:23:00,541 --> 00:23:02,666 "When are you going to use your camera?" 384 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:07,208 I said, "Oh, you know, anytime something happens." 385 00:23:10,708 --> 00:23:14,666 This is like what he learned from the Farm Security Administration project 386 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:16,416 he does with Ella Watson. 387 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:19,250 He knows that he has to get to know somebody really well 388 00:23:19,333 --> 00:23:20,250 and spend time with them. 389 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:21,916 Red was a little apprehensive, 390 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,250 but they built this great bond with each other, 391 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:27,166 and Gordon recognized his leadership ability, 392 00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:30,625 and they developed a really unique relationship. 393 00:23:30,708 --> 00:23:33,666 I stayed with his gang about three months. 394 00:23:36,791 --> 00:23:40,333 He photographed Red in his everyday life. 395 00:23:40,416 --> 00:23:42,875 Being with his mother in the kitchen cooking, 396 00:23:42,958 --> 00:23:44,375 washing the dishes, 397 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:49,041 sitting with his brother while his brother was reading. 398 00:23:50,083 --> 00:23:53,333 His goal was to create a story 399 00:23:53,416 --> 00:23:55,291 from an insider point of view. 400 00:23:57,666 --> 00:23:59,958 He added levels of complexity 401 00:24:00,041 --> 00:24:04,125 and levels of understanding, that you might not have gotten in other photography. 402 00:24:06,916 --> 00:24:09,250 No one's a gangster 24 hours a day. 403 00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:12,916 Everyone who is a gangster has a family. 404 00:24:17,541 --> 00:24:19,875 He also photographs him out on the streets... 405 00:24:21,041 --> 00:24:22,166 with members of his gang. 406 00:24:24,833 --> 00:24:26,958 He photographs fights and violence. 407 00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:32,708 So it's a really interesting look at the life of a young, 408 00:24:32,791 --> 00:24:34,291 you know, gang leader. 409 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:39,375 Two boys were killed while I was with him. 410 00:24:39,458 --> 00:24:43,958 There's one picture in the LIFE story of Herbie lying in his coffin. 411 00:24:44,041 --> 00:24:46,708 He'd been stabbed in the neck and parts of his head. 412 00:24:48,708 --> 00:24:52,666 And Red picked Herbie's head up and felt the wounds, 413 00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:55,208 and said, "We're going to do the same thing to them." 414 00:24:56,916 --> 00:24:59,500 I think that Gordon saw himself in Red Jackson. 415 00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:01,541 Because if Gordon didn't pick up the camera, 416 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:03,416 he could have easily been Red Jackson. 417 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:07,416 He just saw a young man that had a lot of potential. 418 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,083 He was a leader. He saw he didn't have a father. 419 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:13,750 At the same time, trying to show him in a light 420 00:25:13,833 --> 00:25:17,208 that will illuminate some of the problems that existed in Harlem 421 00:25:17,291 --> 00:25:20,666 in regards to poverty and gang warfare and injustice. 422 00:25:28,166 --> 00:25:29,791 How y'all feeling today? 423 00:25:29,875 --> 00:25:31,541 I like that outfit there, young man. 424 00:25:31,625 --> 00:25:34,625 Can I borrow that jacket? Wow, I like that haircut too, troop. 425 00:25:34,708 --> 00:25:36,500 Who hooked you up? All right, here we go. 426 00:25:36,583 --> 00:25:38,125 I'm gonna say showtime, and let's do it. 427 00:25:38,208 --> 00:25:39,208 You guys are ready? 428 00:25:39,291 --> 00:25:40,708 'Cause I think you guys are gonna be famous. 429 00:25:40,791 --> 00:25:42,250 All right, here we go. Ready? 430 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,666 - All right, look at me. I think you guys got it. 431 00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:47,833 Gordon spoke about the power of photography and imagery 432 00:25:47,916 --> 00:25:51,250 and how you could use the camera as a weapon. 433 00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:55,000 It's through the photography that I want to really express myself. 434 00:25:55,083 --> 00:25:58,791 That gave me a voice 'cause prior to that I was lost. 435 00:25:58,875 --> 00:26:01,916 I fell victim to the streets, but once I picked up the camera, 436 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,291 it became my compass. 437 00:26:04,875 --> 00:26:06,375 I have a tool that I can use, 438 00:26:06,458 --> 00:26:08,000 not only to document the community 439 00:26:08,083 --> 00:26:09,708 but to save lives at the same time. 440 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,250 Gordon spoke about the 35 millimeter 441 00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:15,541 and how it could be a more effective weapon. 442 00:26:15,625 --> 00:26:17,083 And that really resonated with me 443 00:26:17,166 --> 00:26:18,666 because I grew up in a gun culture, 444 00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:21,250 you know with the nine millimeters. 445 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:23,500 It was the empathy that he had for his subjects 446 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,500 that I thought was really powerful. 447 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,375 You had Red Jackson, his difficult life coming up. 448 00:26:29,916 --> 00:26:31,958 Gordon just wanted to be like a mentor and a guide. 449 00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,916 I spent 20 years in the Department of Corrections. 450 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,041 When the opportunity came to work on Rikers Island, 451 00:26:40,125 --> 00:26:42,083 I accepted it as my new assignment. 452 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:46,375 Crack is causing an increase in murder and other violent crime. 453 00:26:46,458 --> 00:26:48,625 This is right around the same time 454 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,166 that the crack epidemic hit. 455 00:26:51,375 --> 00:26:52,625 So now I'm in this space, 456 00:26:52,708 --> 00:26:55,041 and I'm seeing the impact of drugs 457 00:26:55,125 --> 00:26:56,875 and the lack of rehabilitation. 458 00:26:58,208 --> 00:27:00,500 I'm taking my camera to the job every day. 459 00:27:00,583 --> 00:27:02,125 I'm documenting the world inside. 460 00:27:02,208 --> 00:27:04,875 I'm witnessing brutality and hatred. 461 00:27:04,958 --> 00:27:08,208 I felt it was my responsibility to talk to young people 462 00:27:08,291 --> 00:27:09,333 about what was going on 463 00:27:09,416 --> 00:27:11,000 because a lot of young men were dying 464 00:27:11,083 --> 00:27:12,833 at the hands of other young men. 465 00:27:12,916 --> 00:27:15,708 And I was very troubled by what I was seeing. 466 00:27:15,791 --> 00:27:18,208 So I would place myself in different positions 467 00:27:18,291 --> 00:27:20,833 where young people would be at, and I would approach them. 468 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:26,291 If I saw a group, I would look at the leader and say, 469 00:27:26,375 --> 00:27:28,708 "You know, with all due respect, I'm a photographer, 470 00:27:28,791 --> 00:27:30,250 when I look at you, I see greatness. 471 00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:32,500 If you don't mind, I'd like to take a photograph 472 00:27:32,583 --> 00:27:33,791 of you and your crew." 473 00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:37,666 And then I would start posing them. 474 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:39,125 And then they would create poses. 475 00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:40,708 and the poses gave it life. 476 00:27:45,791 --> 00:27:49,250 Once the film roll was completed, I would put the film in the shop, 477 00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:52,291 I would come back in an hour, and I would go back to the location, 478 00:27:52,375 --> 00:27:53,791 I would give out prints. 479 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,916 It let them know that they weren't invisible. 480 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,500 As kids, we could just tear each other down. 481 00:28:02,583 --> 00:28:04,500 I use the camera to build people up 482 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,125 and let people feel special. 483 00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:16,500 A lot of them were really receptive 484 00:28:16,583 --> 00:28:18,875 to hearing what I was saying 'cause I'm speaking in real time. 485 00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:21,041 Just a few hours ago, I was on Rikers Island, 486 00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:23,125 and I witnessed, you know, people getting stabbed 487 00:28:23,208 --> 00:28:25,208 and individuals that thought that they can handle it, 488 00:28:25,291 --> 00:28:26,958 and they couldn't. And they would listen. 489 00:28:27,041 --> 00:28:31,000 So I was trying to encourage them to be better. You know, I didn't want to see 490 00:28:31,083 --> 00:28:33,708 no more of these young men incarcerated. 491 00:28:37,708 --> 00:28:40,958 I owe a lot of where I'm at right now to Gordon 492 00:28:41,041 --> 00:28:43,916 because we didn't have a lot of Black photographers to mirror, 493 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,333 you know, when I was coming up. Gordon was that pathfinder. 494 00:28:49,833 --> 00:28:51,916 LIFE magazine is the headquarters 495 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,708 for photographer Gordon Parks 496 00:28:53,791 --> 00:28:55,250 on the staff of the popular 497 00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:58,291 pictorial news magazine since 1949. 498 00:28:58,375 --> 00:29:01,583 And a man who stands at the top of his profession. 499 00:29:01,666 --> 00:29:03,375 Because of the success of 500 00:29:03,458 --> 00:29:06,916 "Harlem Gang Leader", Parks was hired onto the staff 501 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,041 as the first African American photographer at LIFE, 502 00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:12,750 which was a really big deal. 503 00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:17,166 This was entry into the media that was seen internationally. 504 00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:19,833 Parks's work is amongst the finest in a magazine, 505 00:29:19,916 --> 00:29:21,833 noted for photographic excellence. 506 00:29:21,916 --> 00:29:25,166 By the mid-1950s, Parks had already become, 507 00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:28,500 for want of a better word, very established. 508 00:29:28,583 --> 00:29:32,916 He really does have that internally solid 509 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,375 perseverance kind of quality to him. 510 00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:39,708 I've tried to use the camera 511 00:29:39,791 --> 00:29:41,750 to sort of correct the things that 512 00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:45,541 I experienced as a young Black man coming up in America. 513 00:29:46,916 --> 00:29:49,250 And then with all that 514 00:29:49,333 --> 00:29:52,333 Black people were confronting at that point, 515 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,333 it requires a great deal of temerity 516 00:29:55,416 --> 00:29:59,000 to say that you're going to change that with your camera. 517 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,541 In 1956, LIFE sent Gordon to Alabama 518 00:30:07,625 --> 00:30:12,000 to do a story about segregation in the Jim Crow South. 519 00:30:14,666 --> 00:30:17,375 Dispatches coming out of the south 520 00:30:17,458 --> 00:30:21,500 are the usual reporting on racial violence. 521 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:27,000 In 1955, just months before 522 00:30:27,083 --> 00:30:29,500 Gordon Parks traveled to Alabama, 523 00:30:29,583 --> 00:30:33,250 Emmett Till was brutally tortured and killed 524 00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,833 in Money, Mississippi. 525 00:30:37,416 --> 00:30:39,958 If the death of my son can mean something 526 00:30:40,041 --> 00:30:43,250 to the other unfortunate people all over the world, 527 00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:46,708 then for him to have died a hero 528 00:30:46,791 --> 00:30:50,666 would mean more to me than for him just to have died. 529 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:54,250 His mother Mamie allowed Jet magazine to publish 530 00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:58,833 the images of his defiled, desecrated body. 531 00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:04,708 I saw Emmett Till's photograph in Jet magazine. 532 00:31:07,541 --> 00:31:08,958 I'll never forget it. 533 00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:12,208 I still get very emotional. 534 00:31:14,625 --> 00:31:17,500 I was eight years old when Emmett Till was murdered 535 00:31:17,583 --> 00:31:19,458 and I didn't... I... Wh... What... 536 00:31:19,541 --> 00:31:21,833 What was that all about? I couldn't understand it. 537 00:31:24,541 --> 00:31:26,625 That photograph was really evidence 538 00:31:26,708 --> 00:31:27,875 of what could happen to you 539 00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:30,416 as a Black person in the deep South, 540 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,708 and that was the world that Gordon Parks 541 00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:35,208 was stepping into in 1956. 542 00:31:41,708 --> 00:31:45,083 Gordon liked to embody whatever subject 543 00:31:45,166 --> 00:31:47,208 he had been asked by his editors 544 00:31:47,291 --> 00:31:50,666 to represent in a family. 545 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:53,125 Because he knew that the readers of LIFE magazine 546 00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:56,916 would be innately sympathetic to the circumstances of a child, 547 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,708 of a family, and of a community. 548 00:32:01,208 --> 00:32:03,583 Those photographs had tremendous impact 549 00:32:03,666 --> 00:32:05,333 partly because of the color. 550 00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:12,041 At that time, a searing photo essay in the pages of LIFE 551 00:32:12,125 --> 00:32:14,458 was practically expected to be in black and white. 552 00:32:19,166 --> 00:32:23,666 He wanted that color to implicate people seeing this, 553 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:28,125 so that they would understand this is your America right now. 554 00:32:31,625 --> 00:32:34,333 People were told that segregation was benign. 555 00:32:34,416 --> 00:32:36,500 It's okay, Black people want it. 556 00:32:36,583 --> 00:32:37,916 That's not what you see 557 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,125 when you see his images and the hurt and the exclusion 558 00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:42,916 that these families present. 559 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:48,333 These children are literally excluded by this fence 560 00:32:48,416 --> 00:32:50,833 that they cannot pass. 561 00:32:50,916 --> 00:32:52,125 Even from behind, 562 00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:54,375 he's able to convey their sense of longing 563 00:32:54,458 --> 00:32:56,166 to be able to go into that space. 564 00:33:00,833 --> 00:33:03,125 He can take something that's so negative, 565 00:33:03,208 --> 00:33:05,041 but when you first digest it and look at it, 566 00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:06,750 before you start to unpack everything, 567 00:33:06,833 --> 00:33:09,416 it's like super warm, and it just like blows you away. 568 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,916 I think he was really good at even things 569 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,416 that might have been 570 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,875 uncomfortable for, as a Black person to capture 571 00:33:16,958 --> 00:33:18,833 but he has this thing where the way he frames stuff, 572 00:33:18,916 --> 00:33:22,000 it draws you in, and it makes you wanna have a conversation. 573 00:33:24,375 --> 00:33:26,291 There's an elegance. Even, there's an elegance, 574 00:33:26,375 --> 00:33:29,291 even to his depictions of evil, basically. 575 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,125 It's her dress that does it for me 576 00:33:33,208 --> 00:33:38,208 and the earring, and the purse, and the perfectly matched shoes. 577 00:33:38,833 --> 00:33:40,166 She's a queen, 578 00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:42,625 and yet she has to have a separate entrance 579 00:33:42,708 --> 00:33:44,875 from the White woman in the red dress 580 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:46,708 that's further down the street. 581 00:33:48,375 --> 00:33:53,166 Mrs. Joanne Wilson was walking with her young niece 582 00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:55,666 by a segregated movie theatre, 583 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:59,208 and the little girl smelled popcorn. 584 00:33:59,291 --> 00:34:03,541 I interviewed Mrs. Wilson 60 years after that photograph was taken. 585 00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:07,791 And she said, "I was feeling a sense of almost panic of what to do. 586 00:34:07,875 --> 00:34:10,000 I wasn't going to take my niece 587 00:34:10,083 --> 00:34:13,208 into a segregated back entrance. I wouldn't do it." 588 00:34:15,458 --> 00:34:16,791 So I asked Mrs. Wilson 589 00:34:16,875 --> 00:34:19,000 about the experience of the shoot, 590 00:34:19,083 --> 00:34:22,083 and I said, "Was there anything about it that upset you 591 00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:23,500 or bothered you?" and she said, 592 00:34:23,583 --> 00:34:24,750 and she loved Gordon, 593 00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:26,916 and she said, "Yes. 594 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,458 When I looked at the photograph, I realized that 595 00:34:29,541 --> 00:34:31,750 the strap of my slip had fallen. 596 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,708 I was a proud Black woman in Alabama, 597 00:34:35,791 --> 00:34:39,250 and I never left my house not being dressed perfectly." 598 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:42,791 I understand how she felt, 599 00:34:42,875 --> 00:34:45,083 but I don't think that Gordon would have told her 600 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:47,291 to adjust the strap because for him 601 00:34:47,375 --> 00:34:49,666 it represented something remarkable. 602 00:34:50,958 --> 00:34:52,666 She was distracted. 603 00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:56,250 You cannot be a mother or even human 604 00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:59,916 and not see that little moment of drama in a photograph 605 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,000 and not feel a sense of affiliation with Mrs. Wilson. 606 00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:13,125 Gordon Parks's photography demanded 607 00:35:13,208 --> 00:35:16,750 that America look at itself. 608 00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:22,416 His work did what art does at its very best. 609 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:28,500 It makes the viewer engage deeply in the subject. 610 00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:32,541 And to see narratives about life, 611 00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:34,500 about our history. 612 00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:38,041 So when you look at those beautiful photographs, 613 00:35:38,125 --> 00:35:40,833 what you saw was dignity 614 00:35:40,916 --> 00:35:46,833 in the face of remarkable discrimination and bigotry. 615 00:35:52,583 --> 00:35:54,041 And rising... 616 00:35:56,833 --> 00:35:58,708 You got to wait for him to rise, folks. 617 00:36:00,083 --> 00:36:02,500 Okay, now rise behind him. You got to look for him. 618 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,875 One of the things about Mr. Parks 619 00:36:04,958 --> 00:36:08,916 that had been really inspiring and informative 620 00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,416 is the idea that if I pick up my camera, 621 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,500 I can say something and show something, 622 00:36:14,583 --> 00:36:16,041 and that I will be heard, 623 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:18,916 and that it will be seen, and a story will be told. 624 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,083 Action! 625 00:36:20,166 --> 00:36:22,416 And that my camera gives me the power to do that. 626 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,375 To think of the camera as a weapon is a strong way 627 00:36:26,458 --> 00:36:29,041 to think about it and something that I have come to embrace. 628 00:36:31,958 --> 00:36:34,791 Some of my favorite work of his is in color. 629 00:36:34,875 --> 00:36:37,541 There's something about the color that feels very painterly 630 00:36:37,625 --> 00:36:40,875 in a way that's different from the black and white. 631 00:36:40,958 --> 00:36:44,625 I remember looking at those photos, and I look at them often. 632 00:36:44,708 --> 00:36:47,375 They inform, even choices that I make in cinematography 633 00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:48,541 for my films. 634 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,083 There's a photo that I love. 635 00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:52,791 It's a little boy sitting in a field, 636 00:36:52,875 --> 00:36:54,833 and he has an "X" on his head 637 00:36:54,916 --> 00:36:56,375 that's like a target. 638 00:36:58,375 --> 00:36:59,958 That image just says so much. 639 00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:06,083 The rest, the relaxation, the intimacy, 640 00:37:06,166 --> 00:37:08,041 juxtaposed against the poverty. 641 00:37:12,208 --> 00:37:13,583 We think of photography, I think, 642 00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:16,250 as like a solitary art practice. 643 00:37:19,666 --> 00:37:21,000 It's the photographer and their camera, 644 00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:24,208 but really, they're in relationship with their subject. 645 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,916 When I look at his work, I think, "God! How'd he get that?" 646 00:37:30,041 --> 00:37:31,875 The ease and the intimacy 647 00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:34,333 that comes through in so much of his work. 648 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,958 The process with actors is you're trying to achieve 649 00:37:39,041 --> 00:37:41,083 the same ends of intimacy, of a connection... 650 00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:42,250 Action! 651 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:44,500 ...of an understanding of the material and each other, 652 00:37:44,583 --> 00:37:47,125 so that you can get to those true places. 653 00:37:47,208 --> 00:37:49,625 Pent up emotions and inattention 654 00:37:49,708 --> 00:37:51,958 would have led to an uncontrollable, 655 00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:53,791 retaliatory situation. 656 00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:57,958 Well done. We're good. Looking good. Thank you. 657 00:37:58,041 --> 00:38:00,125 The thing for Black filmmakers is 658 00:38:00,208 --> 00:38:02,708 for far too long we've been relegated to 659 00:38:02,791 --> 00:38:04,875 one set of tools, if any. 660 00:38:04,958 --> 00:38:07,916 One of the things about Mr. Parks is the ability 661 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,041 to work within many boxes and to use many tools. 662 00:38:26,125 --> 00:38:28,125 If one were to look at the entirety 663 00:38:28,208 --> 00:38:29,333 of Gordon Parks's career, 664 00:38:29,416 --> 00:38:31,666 you would be struck by the range of work that he did. 665 00:38:33,125 --> 00:38:36,708 It's absolutely fascinating how he's able to bounce around 666 00:38:36,791 --> 00:38:39,166 from photojournalism to fashion photography, 667 00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:43,416 to portraiture, to abstraction, and everything in between. 668 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:48,125 And yet somehow, it's all tied together by his approach, 669 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000 the idea that he's fully invested 670 00:38:52,083 --> 00:38:54,125 in every single one of his subjects. 671 00:38:57,958 --> 00:39:00,166 His whole thing was to be there 672 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:02,833 and have a point of view. Definitely had a point of view 673 00:39:02,916 --> 00:39:05,541 about Black liberation, Black freedom, 674 00:39:05,625 --> 00:39:08,083 White oppression, uh, fashion. 675 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,458 But not to impose that in the environment, 676 00:39:14,541 --> 00:39:16,166 to be able to be there 677 00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:19,750 and find those moments where, "Boom, boom, boom." 678 00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:31,541 My mom and Gordon Parks met 679 00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:33,375 on a photo shoot for LIFE magazine. 680 00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:38,041 She was gonna be in a play called The Swan 681 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:41,875 and Gordon was the photographer assigned to it. 682 00:39:41,958 --> 00:39:43,666 They just instantly sort of clicked. 683 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,583 My mom, I mean, you couldn't have more different circumstances, 684 00:39:49,666 --> 00:39:51,875 she grew up obviously surrounded by great wealth. 685 00:39:55,833 --> 00:39:58,416 She said that this was the first African American person 686 00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,833 she really became friends with. 687 00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:03,916 I think they did connect as artists. 688 00:40:05,833 --> 00:40:08,291 That was the beginning of what would become 689 00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:10,250 this extraordinary lifelong friendship. 690 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:15,250 I always knew there was more to their relationship 691 00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:16,916 than he was just a family friend 692 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,750 who would spend weekends out in Long Island with us. 693 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:23,833 But I knew Gordon's work 694 00:40:23,916 --> 00:40:25,791 from the time I was a kid. I followed it. 695 00:40:28,333 --> 00:40:30,791 He had the ability to tell other people's stories 696 00:40:30,875 --> 00:40:33,833 and the ability to enmesh yourself in somebody else's life 697 00:40:33,916 --> 00:40:35,541 and to document it. 698 00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:37,083 I just found that amazing. 699 00:40:39,791 --> 00:40:42,625 Gordon was this guy who could connect with all of these people, 700 00:40:42,708 --> 00:40:45,208 and not necessarily be everyone's best friend, 701 00:40:45,291 --> 00:40:48,041 but gain respect enough to move in their spaces. 702 00:40:49,791 --> 00:40:52,916 As a photographer, and I learned myself as a journalist, 703 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,083 the ability to be there and be present 704 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:56,375 but not to interfere. 705 00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,291 To be able to sit back, 706 00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:02,375 let it happen, observe closely what's going on, 707 00:41:02,458 --> 00:41:04,083 and find out what's interesting about it. 708 00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:05,833 He had that ability, and it comes through 709 00:41:05,916 --> 00:41:07,375 in all of his photography. 710 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,541 In 1957, LIFE sent Gordon 711 00:41:19,625 --> 00:41:22,625 to photograph the American crime crisis. 712 00:41:28,333 --> 00:41:32,333 He represented crime as an ambiguity. 713 00:41:38,041 --> 00:41:40,500 It deracialized the story of crime. 714 00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:45,125 There were White criminals. There were Black criminals. 715 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:52,541 He also showed the humanity around crime. 716 00:41:53,791 --> 00:41:56,291 It challenges this notion 717 00:41:56,375 --> 00:41:58,791 that a criminal is someone who is 718 00:41:58,875 --> 00:42:01,333 entirely loathsome, entirely evil. 719 00:42:07,666 --> 00:42:10,958 There's an incredible photograph of a prison cell. 720 00:42:11,041 --> 00:42:15,958 You see a hand leaning over one of the bars with a cigarette, 721 00:42:16,041 --> 00:42:19,250 but on the bottom, you see the hand grabbing the bar. 722 00:42:22,625 --> 00:42:25,333 What you see is the anxiety 723 00:42:26,708 --> 00:42:28,416 of the person behind bars. 724 00:42:30,375 --> 00:42:33,208 Gordon was able to tell both sides of the story. 725 00:42:33,291 --> 00:42:35,458 Being able to go into a police station 726 00:42:35,541 --> 00:42:37,666 and shooting from that perspective. 727 00:42:39,541 --> 00:42:43,958 As an artist, we are the medium between opposing sides, 728 00:42:44,041 --> 00:42:45,833 and we are the only ones that can actually 729 00:42:45,916 --> 00:42:48,458 create that narrative to even start a conversation. 730 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:03,250 You cannot be a person of color 731 00:43:03,333 --> 00:43:04,916 growing up in the urban north 732 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000 and not be mindful of the way in which 733 00:43:08,083 --> 00:43:10,083 police officers were symbols. 734 00:43:10,166 --> 00:43:12,416 They represented threat and menace. 735 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,458 My cousins lived in North Philadelphia, 736 00:43:14,541 --> 00:43:16,125 and when we would go spend time with them, 737 00:43:16,208 --> 00:43:17,875 there was a completely foreign environment. 738 00:43:17,958 --> 00:43:19,875 And my cousin would say, 739 00:43:19,958 --> 00:43:22,083 "If you see a gang coming down one street 740 00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:24,666 and you see the police coming down another street, 741 00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:26,166 both of them are dangerous, 742 00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:28,916 but run toward the gang, not toward the police." 743 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,583 And it wasn't because people didn't want law and order. 744 00:43:31,666 --> 00:43:35,500 They did. They just didn't want it imposed through abuse. 745 00:43:38,541 --> 00:43:41,625 And Parks got it, you know, in the images presented. 746 00:43:50,958 --> 00:43:53,541 That image where he shows those police officers 747 00:43:53,625 --> 00:43:57,041 crashing down a door, gun in hand. 748 00:43:57,125 --> 00:43:58,708 There's a kind of violence. 749 00:43:58,791 --> 00:44:02,125 Can you imagine being on the other side of this door? 750 00:44:04,083 --> 00:44:07,958 So it's a really powerful image to contradict this idea 751 00:44:08,041 --> 00:44:10,541 that these are the people who make us safe. 752 00:44:10,625 --> 00:44:12,416 You know, I see this and I think, 753 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,291 "Keep me as far away from these guys as possible." 754 00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:32,458 Using the rule of law is certainly a way 755 00:44:32,541 --> 00:44:36,541 to fight against inequality and injustice. 756 00:44:40,666 --> 00:44:44,125 But I have recognized that that's not enough. 757 00:44:44,208 --> 00:44:46,958 Now I see myself very much engaged in... 758 00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:51,541 in narrative work and using narrative tools 759 00:44:51,625 --> 00:44:54,500 to fight against inequality and injustice, 760 00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:58,125 and that's the reason why it makes perfect sense to us 761 00:44:58,208 --> 00:44:59,333 to build a museum. 762 00:45:01,458 --> 00:45:05,333 The primary goal is to tell a story about our history 763 00:45:05,416 --> 00:45:07,083 that shakes people sufficiently. 764 00:45:07,166 --> 00:45:09,083 You're motivated to say, "Never again" 765 00:45:09,166 --> 00:45:12,291 to racial bigotry and bias. 766 00:45:16,208 --> 00:45:18,625 Gordon Parks became central 767 00:45:18,708 --> 00:45:20,791 to the way we wanted to talk about our imagery 768 00:45:20,875 --> 00:45:23,208 and storytelling through photography. 769 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:33,125 Narrative work is how Parks changed hearts and minds. 770 00:45:37,875 --> 00:45:38,833 You can change laws, 771 00:45:38,916 --> 00:45:41,250 but if you don't, kind of, work on people 772 00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:45,250 and the psychology behind bigotry and exclusion, 773 00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:46,833 then you're not gonna make any progress. 774 00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:55,291 And Parks understood early that he had a role to play 775 00:45:55,375 --> 00:45:57,083 if we were gonna kind of shape the things 776 00:45:57,166 --> 00:45:59,375 that people believe about equality. 777 00:46:04,625 --> 00:46:07,583 You know, as a photographer for LIFE, 778 00:46:07,666 --> 00:46:10,250 you look at publications like that. 779 00:46:15,291 --> 00:46:18,416 And in this very subtle way, this notion of 780 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:21,458 who is an American was being reinforced. 781 00:46:21,541 --> 00:46:23,791 Week after week, month after month. 782 00:46:29,125 --> 00:46:32,375 And so Parks's images really disrupted that. 783 00:46:35,541 --> 00:46:37,541 If you had to see this Black family 784 00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:38,833 in one of his photos 785 00:46:38,916 --> 00:46:41,041 juxtaposed with these White families 786 00:46:41,125 --> 00:46:42,541 in these ads, 787 00:46:42,625 --> 00:46:45,416 it caused you to kind of think just a little differently. 788 00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:51,500 It raised questions about who is an American. 789 00:46:57,458 --> 00:47:00,125 Gordon Parks was often criticized 790 00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:01,625 as much as he was applauded 791 00:47:01,708 --> 00:47:03,375 for his position at LIFE magazine, 792 00:47:03,458 --> 00:47:08,166 and he was very aware of being in a conflicted position. 793 00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:13,166 He talks about how he was seen as often going in 794 00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:15,500 as LIFE's, quote, "Black photographer," 795 00:47:15,583 --> 00:47:18,500 and creating stories that were meant to appeal 796 00:47:18,583 --> 00:47:20,125 to a White audience. 797 00:47:20,208 --> 00:47:22,083 At the same time, he understood that 798 00:47:22,166 --> 00:47:25,416 when he was covering stories that had to do with race, 799 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:27,416 that he was in a unique position 800 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,041 to tell those stories from his point of view. 801 00:47:30,125 --> 00:47:34,500 And a great example of that was in 1963, when he was sent 802 00:47:34,583 --> 00:47:36,416 to do a story about the Nation of Islam. 803 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,333 America is a White man's country. 804 00:47:40,416 --> 00:47:42,833 A country that was stolen by the White man 805 00:47:42,916 --> 00:47:44,500 from the dark-skinned Indians, 806 00:47:44,583 --> 00:47:49,041 who then kidnapped our people and brought us here in chains. 807 00:47:49,125 --> 00:47:52,208 I saw Malcolm for the very first time in person 808 00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:55,500 on the corner of 125th Street and 7th Avenue. 809 00:47:55,583 --> 00:47:58,708 There's no such thing as justice in this country 810 00:47:58,791 --> 00:48:00,000 for a Black man. 811 00:48:00,083 --> 00:48:02,666 And there's no such thing as equality in this country 812 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:04,291 for a Black man. 813 00:48:04,375 --> 00:48:07,291 This is a White man's country! 814 00:48:07,375 --> 00:48:10,541 The first thing I asked him was about the possibility 815 00:48:10,625 --> 00:48:13,000 of my covering the Black Muslims. 816 00:48:13,083 --> 00:48:15,250 And he said, "Well, the honorable Elijah Muhammad 817 00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:16,791 would have to decide that." 818 00:48:18,791 --> 00:48:20,958 Malcolm and I flew to Phoenix, Arizona. 819 00:48:21,041 --> 00:48:23,041 The first thing Elijah Muhammad said to me was, 820 00:48:23,125 --> 00:48:25,000 "Why are you working for the White devils?" 821 00:48:26,333 --> 00:48:29,458 I said, "Well, you know, you've heard of 822 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:32,208 getting behind the iron horse 823 00:48:32,291 --> 00:48:33,625 and finding out what's going on?" 824 00:48:33,708 --> 00:48:35,458 He said, "I don't buy that." 825 00:48:36,708 --> 00:48:39,750 Well, in any case, he said, "We'll give you a try. 826 00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:42,166 Brother Malcolm is gonna escort you through 827 00:48:42,250 --> 00:48:45,291 the world of Islam, and if I like what you do, 828 00:48:45,375 --> 00:48:47,958 I'll send you a big box of cigars. 829 00:48:48,041 --> 00:48:51,500 If I don't like what you do, we'll be out to visit you." 830 00:48:53,083 --> 00:48:55,750 And that's the way Malcolm and I got started. 831 00:48:55,833 --> 00:48:58,333 In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful, 832 00:48:58,416 --> 00:48:59,916 to whom all praise is due. 833 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,458 Whom we forever thank for giving us 834 00:49:02,541 --> 00:49:03,958 the honorable Elijah Muhammad 835 00:49:04,041 --> 00:49:05,916 as our leader, teacher, and guide. 836 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,375 I found in the mosques such order, 837 00:49:09,458 --> 00:49:12,416 uniformity in just about everything. 838 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:14,458 Malcolm would walk with a long stick 839 00:49:14,541 --> 00:49:18,375 and point to a blackboard and explain what Elijah Muhammad 840 00:49:18,458 --> 00:49:19,916 expected of Muslims. 841 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:27,583 I was surprised to see them training German Shepherd dogs. 842 00:49:27,666 --> 00:49:29,458 Malcolm would look at me and smile. 843 00:49:29,541 --> 00:49:31,500 He says, "If they can face that dog 844 00:49:31,583 --> 00:49:32,875 with its vicious fangs, 845 00:49:32,958 --> 00:49:34,625 they can face a lot of other things." 846 00:49:36,791 --> 00:49:39,000 I went into some of the Muslim families. 847 00:49:39,083 --> 00:49:41,375 I asked one father in Brooklyn, 848 00:49:41,458 --> 00:49:43,791 I said, "Suppose your son came home one day 849 00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:47,083 and told you that he was renouncing the Muslim religion." 850 00:49:47,166 --> 00:49:49,208 He said, "I would turn him from my door 851 00:49:49,291 --> 00:49:51,666 and would never allow him in again." 852 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:54,000 It was amazing, the faith that they had 853 00:49:54,083 --> 00:49:56,291 in Elijah Muhammad and in Malcolm. 854 00:49:57,708 --> 00:49:59,750 Gordon Parks spends several months 855 00:49:59,833 --> 00:50:02,291 with members of the Nation of Islam. 856 00:50:02,375 --> 00:50:04,250 It becomes a true collaboration 857 00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:08,250 where Gordon Parks is allowed unprecedented access. 858 00:50:14,666 --> 00:50:17,541 I was in New York when I got a call from Malcolm. 859 00:50:17,625 --> 00:50:21,375 He had just reached the Los Angeles Airport. 860 00:50:22,458 --> 00:50:24,333 He said, "Can you get out here?" 861 00:50:24,416 --> 00:50:26,333 The person, whom you have come 862 00:50:26,416 --> 00:50:30,541 to know as Ronald Stokes, we know him as brother Ronald. 863 00:50:30,625 --> 00:50:34,375 And an innocent man when he was murdered. 864 00:50:34,458 --> 00:50:36,833 That's when Ronald Stokes was shot. 865 00:50:36,916 --> 00:50:38,583 Police had gone to the mosque, 866 00:50:38,666 --> 00:50:40,083 and there'd been some confrontation 867 00:50:40,166 --> 00:50:42,583 with the young Muslims out in front of the mosque. 868 00:50:42,666 --> 00:50:44,875 These are the victims of police bullets. 869 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,208 And it is the police who should be on trial here in Los Angeles. 870 00:50:48,291 --> 00:50:50,375 Malcolm wanted to show the rest of the world 871 00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:52,375 that these guys were using brutality, 872 00:50:52,458 --> 00:50:54,416 especially against Muslims. 873 00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:57,750 They can go in and murder unarmed, 874 00:50:57,833 --> 00:50:59,208 innocent Negroes, 875 00:50:59,291 --> 00:51:03,000 and the White public is gullible enough to back them up. 876 00:51:03,083 --> 00:51:04,500 Malcolm was terribly angry, 877 00:51:04,583 --> 00:51:07,416 as were a lot of Black people who were not Muslims. 878 00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,541 I was angry myself, terribly angry. 879 00:51:10,958 --> 00:51:12,708 It was very tense out there. 880 00:51:12,791 --> 00:51:15,041 Cops were patrolling the streets. 881 00:51:15,125 --> 00:51:19,625 I knew if something happened, I would be in the firing line. 882 00:51:19,708 --> 00:51:22,083 I never separated myself from them 883 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:24,041 in terms of being a reporter. 884 00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:29,000 I felt, frankly, like a Muslim. 885 00:51:36,708 --> 00:51:39,125 Malcolm and I really felt like brothers. 886 00:51:39,208 --> 00:51:41,750 He was not the fiery monster 887 00:51:41,833 --> 00:51:44,083 that he was on the street corner. 888 00:51:44,166 --> 00:51:47,333 He was a gentle, sweet guy. 889 00:51:47,416 --> 00:51:49,875 Coming between Los Angeles and New York, 890 00:51:49,958 --> 00:51:51,458 we took a night plane. 891 00:51:51,541 --> 00:51:53,791 And he leaned over on my shoulder and said to me, 892 00:51:53,875 --> 00:51:55,958 "Brother, you know I have a lot of respect for you." 893 00:51:56,041 --> 00:51:57,166 Things of that sort. 894 00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:59,333 And I said, "Well, I have a lot of respect for you." 895 00:51:59,416 --> 00:52:02,125 He dropped his head on my shoulder and went to sleep. 896 00:52:06,208 --> 00:52:08,708 When we reached New York, I said, "You called me 'brother' 897 00:52:08,791 --> 00:52:10,375 for the first time." He said, 898 00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:12,791 "Well, for the first time, you deserved it." 899 00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:26,375 When the story came out in LIFE, 900 00:52:26,458 --> 00:52:30,500 the headline and the disposition of the text to photographs 901 00:52:30,583 --> 00:52:33,208 turned it into something very inflammatory. 902 00:52:34,416 --> 00:52:36,333 The text is quite critical. 903 00:52:36,416 --> 00:52:39,500 It presents this, you know, what was the popular view 904 00:52:39,583 --> 00:52:41,541 of the Nation of Islam at the time. 905 00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:45,291 As an outsider group, as a somewhat violent group. 906 00:52:46,583 --> 00:52:48,541 What's fascinating is that Gordon Parks 907 00:52:48,625 --> 00:52:51,833 actually contributes his own separate text 908 00:52:51,916 --> 00:52:54,375 saying, "These are systemic problems 909 00:52:54,458 --> 00:52:55,875 across the United States. 910 00:52:55,958 --> 00:52:59,125 These are problems that are relevant to everyone's life. 911 00:52:59,208 --> 00:53:03,083 These are problems that you should see from this point of view." 912 00:53:03,166 --> 00:53:05,375 And that's where he becomes an activist. 913 00:53:13,666 --> 00:53:16,875 - B-mark. - Backward action! 914 00:53:16,958 --> 00:53:18,958 Are you down for the liberation of Black people? 915 00:53:19,041 --> 00:53:21,000 Do we always have to talk politics? 916 00:53:21,083 --> 00:53:22,583 What's more important? 917 00:53:22,666 --> 00:53:24,083 Cut! Check the gate. 918 00:53:24,166 --> 00:53:25,708 I love Gordon. 919 00:53:25,791 --> 00:53:28,166 We just have great respect for each other. 920 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:29,333 Action! 921 00:53:32,125 --> 00:53:35,583 He's one of the guys, without them, 922 00:53:35,666 --> 00:53:38,916 I would not be the filmmaker I am. 923 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,625 Harlem has come to bid farewell 924 00:53:41,708 --> 00:53:44,166 to one of its brightest hopes. 925 00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:48,000 At the end of Malcolm X, we had my brother, Ossie Davis, 926 00:53:48,083 --> 00:53:50,916 re-record the eulogy 927 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,041 which he gave at Malcolm's Muslim funeral. 928 00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:57,333 And there's a montage. 929 00:53:57,416 --> 00:54:02,375 Many of the pictures were taken by my brother, Gordon Parks. 930 00:54:02,458 --> 00:54:03,708 We were very happy that 931 00:54:03,791 --> 00:54:06,166 Gordon gave us the permission to use those 932 00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:08,583 historic photographs of Malcolm X. 933 00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:14,041 That camera in his hands was a weapon. 934 00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:17,250 That was a motherfuckin' bazooka! 935 00:54:18,416 --> 00:54:23,000 That wasn't no six shooter or rifle. 936 00:54:23,083 --> 00:54:28,375 When Mr. Gordon Parks had that camera in his hand, 937 00:54:28,458 --> 00:54:29,708 that was a bazooka. 938 00:54:34,083 --> 00:54:36,458 But you're not gonna get the great photographs 939 00:54:36,541 --> 00:54:39,583 if you don't establish trust. 940 00:54:41,375 --> 00:54:43,916 Gordon come in, light up a room, 941 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,791 gave everybody respect. No matter if you were 942 00:54:46,875 --> 00:54:49,541 Gloria Vanderbilt or some bum on the street. 943 00:54:49,625 --> 00:54:56,375 It's only when people feel safe that they open themselves up. 944 00:54:56,458 --> 00:54:59,791 And then, the camera will capture the essence. 945 00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:04,833 At least with the films I'm doing, 946 00:55:04,916 --> 00:55:07,083 especially more for documentaries I think, 947 00:55:07,166 --> 00:55:09,791 you gotta ask people personal questions 948 00:55:09,875 --> 00:55:12,875 about very painful moments in their life. 949 00:55:12,958 --> 00:55:16,166 For example, 4 Little Girls was about the bombing 950 00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:18,625 of the 16th Street Birmingham Baptist Church. 951 00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:22,416 And when you're talking to someone 952 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,500 whose kid was... 953 00:55:24,583 --> 00:55:26,666 dynamite blew their body apart. 954 00:55:28,416 --> 00:55:30,541 That's not easy. 955 00:55:30,625 --> 00:55:34,250 When did you find out that Carole had been in the blast? 956 00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:37,666 When- when my husband and my mother-in-law came back- 957 00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:39,125 came in to tell me. 958 00:55:42,166 --> 00:55:43,333 Oh, boy. 959 00:55:45,958 --> 00:55:48,041 It was just... It was awful. 960 00:55:49,583 --> 00:55:51,458 It's the job of the artist 961 00:55:51,541 --> 00:55:53,000 to have your subject comfortable. 962 00:55:54,875 --> 00:55:57,750 And Gordon had that gift. 963 00:56:05,833 --> 00:56:09,208 Freedom, freedom. 964 00:56:09,291 --> 00:56:12,166 Gordon's photography forms a foundation 965 00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:14,833 for a visual narrative of Black Americans 966 00:56:15,666 --> 00:56:17,833 seen through Black eyes. 967 00:56:20,375 --> 00:56:23,125 If you look at it and date it, 968 00:56:23,208 --> 00:56:26,875 you see the evolution of the Civil Rights Movement. 969 00:56:26,958 --> 00:56:29,375 I have the pleasure to present to you 970 00:56:29,458 --> 00:56:32,125 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 971 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:35,250 If you look at his photographs, it's a great chronological record 972 00:56:35,333 --> 00:56:38,375 of what the 20th century was about for Black Americans. 973 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,666 Gordon made us visible to people in a way that 974 00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:45,833 no other photographer could have done it. 975 00:56:45,916 --> 00:56:48,958 He came from the community, and that was always obvious. 976 00:56:55,416 --> 00:56:58,750 The hold of White supremacy 977 00:56:58,833 --> 00:57:03,083 on the Black psyche was profound. 978 00:57:03,166 --> 00:57:04,291 And it was when we started 979 00:57:04,375 --> 00:57:08,083 to see the images that lifted us up, 980 00:57:08,166 --> 00:57:12,125 that made us feel that we were worthy, 981 00:57:12,208 --> 00:57:15,083 that we began to really demand justice. 982 00:57:23,041 --> 00:57:28,333 And so Gordon Parks was a warrior for justice. 983 00:57:35,583 --> 00:57:37,958 Cassius Clay is your name no more, is that right? 984 00:57:38,041 --> 00:57:39,708 Yes, sir, it's Muhammad Ali. 985 00:57:39,791 --> 00:57:41,666 Muhammad means worthy of all praises, 986 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:45,000 and Ali means most high in the Asian-African language. 987 00:57:45,083 --> 00:57:46,291 How long have you had the name? 988 00:57:46,375 --> 00:57:49,375 Well, for about um- two weeks now. 989 00:57:49,458 --> 00:57:51,166 Is there anybody special who gave you the name? 990 00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,333 Yes, sir, my leader and teacher, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. 991 00:57:56,583 --> 00:57:59,125 Muhammad Ali began as a reluctant assignment. 992 00:57:59,208 --> 00:58:02,541 I mean, Parks wasn't quite sure who Muhammad Ali was, 993 00:58:02,625 --> 00:58:05,083 his conversion to Islam. 994 00:58:05,166 --> 00:58:06,833 The fact that he sort of transformed from 995 00:58:06,916 --> 00:58:10,333 Cassius Clay into a much more radical political figure. 996 00:58:10,416 --> 00:58:14,500 I just don't understand yet how I can be reclassified as 1-A 997 00:58:14,583 --> 00:58:16,250 without testing me in no way, 998 00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:19,125 just calling me like this, and I just don't understand it. 999 00:58:19,208 --> 00:58:21,083 In other words, you think they called you 1000 00:58:21,166 --> 00:58:23,166 only because you're the heavyweight champion of... 1001 00:58:23,250 --> 00:58:24,250 And a Muslim too! 1002 00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,166 Ever since I've joined the Muslim religion, 1003 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:27,708 I've been catching hell from here, 1004 00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:29,916 they've been trying to ail me, and trick me into this... 1005 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,750 At the time that Muhammad Ali was opposing the Vietnamese War, 1006 00:58:34,833 --> 00:58:37,708 he was very controversial. 1007 00:58:37,791 --> 00:58:40,000 He really surprised people when he said that 1008 00:58:40,083 --> 00:58:43,250 he was taking a stand for himself and for all Americans 1009 00:58:43,333 --> 00:58:45,083 who did not support the war, 1010 00:58:45,166 --> 00:58:47,541 and that blew a lot of people's minds. 1011 00:58:47,625 --> 00:58:50,291 "Ain't no Vietcong ever called me nigger." 1012 00:58:50,708 --> 00:58:52,583 Wow. 1013 00:58:52,666 --> 00:58:55,833 That crystalized it for all Black Americans. 1014 00:58:55,916 --> 00:58:57,625 Are you gonna resume your boxing career? 1015 00:58:57,708 --> 00:58:59,041 Are you talking to us, champ? 1016 00:58:59,125 --> 00:59:01,333 No, I will not say nothing. It is all in here. 1017 00:59:01,416 --> 00:59:03,041 When I met Muhammad Ali, 1018 00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,208 he was getting in trouble a lot with the press. 1019 00:59:06,291 --> 00:59:08,500 I then took it upon myself 1020 00:59:08,583 --> 00:59:10,958 to say, "Hey don't let the reporters rile you, 1021 00:59:11,041 --> 00:59:13,041 you know, be cooler about it." 1022 00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:24,500 When Parks began to speak with Ali 1023 00:59:24,583 --> 00:59:25,958 and follow him around, 1024 00:59:26,041 --> 00:59:28,458 the two of them realized they had a tremendous amount in common. 1025 00:59:30,666 --> 00:59:32,916 In Gordon Parks's understanding 1026 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,041 of Muhammad Ali, was the continuation 1027 00:59:37,125 --> 00:59:41,583 of being in the presence of a genius 1028 00:59:41,666 --> 00:59:47,416 whose art was just his hands and his attitude, 1029 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:49,375 as compared to Langston Hughes, 1030 00:59:51,583 --> 00:59:52,875 or Richard Wright, 1031 00:59:54,291 --> 00:59:55,750 or Ralph Ellison. 1032 00:59:57,333 --> 01:00:00,000 That was the Malcolm X story too. 1033 01:00:00,083 --> 01:00:03,666 Parks could see, in these people, 1034 01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:05,375 a version of himself. 1035 01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:11,416 And was also trying to say, "If you can see me, 1036 01:00:12,541 --> 01:00:15,125 then you should also be able to see them as well." 1037 01:00:19,958 --> 01:00:24,000 I wish I was there to see, like, how he really shot. 1038 01:00:31,416 --> 01:00:32,666 Even the action moments, 1039 01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:34,666 you could tell he slowed the shutter down a little bit 1040 01:00:34,750 --> 01:00:36,166 to get that blur. 1041 01:00:37,625 --> 01:00:39,333 You could tell his hands were so steady, 1042 01:00:39,416 --> 01:00:42,500 where he could just focus on Ali's face, and you can see that emotion, 1043 01:00:42,583 --> 01:00:44,333 but you can see the speed of Ali. 1044 01:00:48,333 --> 01:00:50,458 Those things that I emulate in my own photography 1045 01:00:50,541 --> 01:00:53,666 is about knowing when to speed up that shutter speed 1046 01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:55,041 to get that locked-in focus. 1047 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,875 When I was starting, I just was always worrying about, 1048 01:00:58,958 --> 01:01:00,916 is the image clear? Is the ISO perfect? 1049 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,083 Is everything just perfect? 1050 01:01:02,166 --> 01:01:04,666 But sometimes, some of the most imperfect pictures 1051 01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:05,875 is how you relay that emotion, 1052 01:01:05,958 --> 01:01:08,041 and that's what I think he was so good at too. 1053 01:01:11,833 --> 01:01:15,250 This image is just, like, one of my favorite pictures of Ali. 1054 01:01:15,333 --> 01:01:17,833 The look in his eyes, you see, like that glare. 1055 01:01:17,916 --> 01:01:20,708 He's not even looking at Gordon. He's, like, gazing off. 1056 01:01:20,791 --> 01:01:22,833 And it's just, like, a beautiful portrait. 1057 01:01:30,041 --> 01:01:33,458 He really captured Ali at every moment. 1058 01:01:34,458 --> 01:01:36,208 You saw the goofiness of him. 1059 01:01:37,375 --> 01:01:38,791 You saw the seriousness. 1060 01:01:40,541 --> 01:01:44,000 Many of us know Muhammad Ali as this loudmouthed boxer, 1061 01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:47,750 but Gordon brought out the humanitarian side of him. 1062 01:01:47,833 --> 01:01:51,083 This to me talks about the peace and serenity 1063 01:01:51,166 --> 01:01:53,791 that you get from your spiritual discipline. 1064 01:01:55,458 --> 01:01:57,291 Muhammad Ali got a lot from that. 1065 01:02:01,791 --> 01:02:05,250 Even though an image is quick, it's quick, 1066 01:02:05,333 --> 01:02:08,041 but the time you put in with that person, 1067 01:02:08,125 --> 01:02:09,750 you can tell in the image. 1068 01:02:09,833 --> 01:02:12,500 You can tell if a person just came in and just snapped and then kept moving. 1069 01:02:12,583 --> 01:02:14,125 But you... if you can see it in their eyes, 1070 01:02:14,208 --> 01:02:16,166 it was a real human connection right there. 1071 01:02:17,458 --> 01:02:18,666 Muhammad Ali and Gordon, 1072 01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:21,666 that relationship that was able to build, 1073 01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:23,458 you can tell that it was genuine, 1074 01:02:23,541 --> 01:02:25,166 and it was real, and it was authentic. 1075 01:02:31,791 --> 01:02:32,958 Switch! 1076 01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:35,125 There you go. 1077 01:02:35,208 --> 01:02:38,375 You working all that. Give it the same. 1078 01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:40,791 Right now, I've been focusing on sports a lot. 1079 01:02:40,875 --> 01:02:42,500 With everything that's going on in my city, 1080 01:02:42,583 --> 01:02:45,375 a lot of kids are dying because they're in the streets. 1081 01:02:45,458 --> 01:02:46,666 Switch. 1082 01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:48,333 So what I want to do is to change that narrative 1083 01:02:48,416 --> 01:02:50,875 around the youth and give them something to inspire them. 1084 01:02:50,958 --> 01:02:53,291 Change up. Where's Rico at? 1085 01:02:54,916 --> 01:02:57,208 All y'all still gotta train. 1086 01:02:57,291 --> 01:02:59,625 We have this amazing boxing coach 1087 01:02:59,708 --> 01:03:00,958 by the name of Calvin. 1088 01:03:01,041 --> 01:03:03,541 See how fast that was? 1089 01:03:03,625 --> 01:03:06,333 I wanted to use my photography to highlight him. 1090 01:03:07,166 --> 01:03:08,250 Box! 1091 01:03:08,958 --> 01:03:10,708 Good, no backing up. 1092 01:03:10,791 --> 01:03:12,625 Side to side. Good. 1093 01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:17,083 If Kenny tell him to work the jab, you work your jab. 1094 01:03:18,875 --> 01:03:20,083 There you go! 1095 01:03:20,166 --> 01:03:22,333 Whoever says work the jab, you beat him to the punch. 1096 01:03:22,416 --> 01:03:24,375 Capturing someone getting punched in the face is pretty easy... 1097 01:03:24,458 --> 01:03:26,166 ...but it's those 1098 01:03:26,250 --> 01:03:27,875 intimate moments, those down moments, 1099 01:03:27,958 --> 01:03:31,750 that I really, I love, like, just seeing people be human. 1100 01:03:34,833 --> 01:03:38,416 When a coach is giving a pep talk or he hugs a kid. 1101 01:03:40,291 --> 01:03:42,000 I like seeing people be vulnerable. 1102 01:03:44,583 --> 01:03:47,666 I've been documenting Coach Calvin for a while now. 1103 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,875 He's saving lives in West Baltimore. 1104 01:03:50,916 --> 01:03:52,333 So what I've been doing is like, 1105 01:03:52,416 --> 01:03:54,916 taking a page out of Gordon Parks's book. 1106 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,458 I've been embedding myself at the gym with these kids, 1107 01:03:58,541 --> 01:04:01,500 and kids love images of themselves. 1108 01:04:01,583 --> 01:04:03,958 And that's when I really started realizing how important 1109 01:04:04,041 --> 01:04:06,291 my imagery was to my city. 1110 01:04:06,375 --> 01:04:09,333 When your hands up, the hands up, go to the body! 1111 01:04:09,416 --> 01:04:11,833 He ain't listening. Oh, he listening. Okay! 1112 01:04:13,166 --> 01:04:14,416 Oh, good right hand! 1113 01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:18,000 Stop wrestling. Punch. Box! 1114 01:04:25,458 --> 01:04:27,708 "Gordon Parks's personal history includes 1115 01:04:27,791 --> 01:04:30,666 a Kansas Farm, a Minneapolis brothel, 1116 01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:33,750 a flophouse in Chicago, a St. Paul jail. 1117 01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:36,833 The story of one American who overcame loneliness, 1118 01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:38,875 the Depression, poverty, 1119 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,458 and his color to find security 1120 01:04:41,541 --> 01:04:43,541 and the beginnings of a success." 1121 01:04:43,625 --> 01:04:47,125 His book is titled A Choice of Weapons. 1122 01:04:47,208 --> 01:04:48,458 Here is Gordon Parks. 1123 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,125 By this point, he's a larger-than-life figure. 1124 01:04:53,208 --> 01:04:55,125 You know, he's an incredibly well known, 1125 01:04:55,208 --> 01:04:57,250 well respected, powerful figure. 1126 01:04:57,333 --> 01:05:01,708 Your pictures of the story of the little boy... 1127 01:05:01,791 --> 01:05:02,958 -Flavio? -Flavio. 1128 01:05:03,041 --> 01:05:04,375 Flavio, they pronounce it. 1129 01:05:04,458 --> 01:05:07,333 ...in Rio de Janeiro will long be remembered. 1130 01:05:12,916 --> 01:05:15,958 Gordon was asked to make an effective photo essay 1131 01:05:16,041 --> 01:05:18,250 that would help Americans understand 1132 01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:21,458 the scale of the problem of poverty in Latin America. 1133 01:05:21,541 --> 01:05:23,125 And here's Flavio? 1134 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,333 Yes, that's Flav. 1135 01:05:25,416 --> 01:05:27,208 Oh, you got so, you called him "Flav." 1136 01:05:27,291 --> 01:05:30,208 Yes, I called him Flav. He called me Gordo. 1137 01:05:30,291 --> 01:05:34,083 I remember as a kid looking at pictures of Flavio in Brazil, 1138 01:05:34,166 --> 01:05:38,083 and it absolutely sparked an interest in going places 1139 01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:41,041 and telling stories, and seeing things with your own eye 1140 01:05:41,125 --> 01:05:43,041 and through your own lens. 1141 01:05:43,125 --> 01:05:46,333 I wouldn't be a reporter today if it wasn't for Gordon Parks. 1142 01:05:47,333 --> 01:05:49,291 Those photographs would not just 1143 01:05:49,375 --> 01:05:50,958 inspire a response, 1144 01:05:51,041 --> 01:05:53,000 they saved Flavio's life. 1145 01:05:53,916 --> 01:05:55,375 Gordon actually took Flavio 1146 01:05:55,458 --> 01:05:57,958 to a doctor for the first time, and that doctor said 1147 01:05:58,041 --> 01:06:00,041 that he had very little time left to live, 1148 01:06:00,125 --> 01:06:03,250 no more than two years and probably much less than that. 1149 01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:04,958 Have you heard from him since? 1150 01:06:05,041 --> 01:06:07,458 Well, yes, I brought him to America, uh. 1151 01:06:07,541 --> 01:06:10,250 People, many of you possibly out there, 1152 01:06:10,333 --> 01:06:13,333 sent in money, over 100,000 dollars, 1153 01:06:13,416 --> 01:06:15,541 and demanded that I go back and get Flavio 1154 01:06:15,625 --> 01:06:18,458 and bring him to the United States to be cured, which I did. 1155 01:06:18,541 --> 01:06:20,041 I brought him to the Denver Clinic. 1156 01:06:20,125 --> 01:06:21,791 All of these donations started coming in, 1157 01:06:21,875 --> 01:06:25,333 and he took it upon himself to get this child help 1158 01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:26,958 for his asthma. 1159 01:06:27,041 --> 01:06:30,375 They built a new house for them, and, you know, it's just... 1160 01:06:31,125 --> 01:06:32,500 Who does that? 1161 01:06:39,791 --> 01:06:43,166 Will you welcome please, Mr. Gordon Parks. 1162 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:46,083 I think there's an interesting trade off 1163 01:06:46,166 --> 01:06:50,083 that Gordon makes as he becomes more prominent. 1164 01:06:50,166 --> 01:06:53,916 What, looking back, was the very first 1165 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,291 photographic story you ever covered? 1166 01:06:56,375 --> 01:06:59,083 Well, the very first photographic story I covered for LIFE 1167 01:06:59,166 --> 01:07:03,416 was, I think the 1948, was the Harlem gang story. 1168 01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:08,958 He had previously been able to observe uninterrupted, 1169 01:07:09,041 --> 01:07:10,500 you know, with his camera 1170 01:07:10,583 --> 01:07:13,083 and, you know, capture the unguarded moment. 1171 01:07:15,041 --> 01:07:18,125 To be this Negro man with a camera, 1172 01:07:18,208 --> 01:07:21,208 you know, who's going around taking images. 1173 01:07:21,291 --> 01:07:24,208 You can't quite do that, you know, when everyone knows you, 1174 01:07:24,291 --> 01:07:26,791 where you're showing up on television. 1175 01:07:26,875 --> 01:07:29,125 We're talking to Gordon Parks about The Learning Tree, 1176 01:07:29,208 --> 01:07:31,250 his brilliant new novel. Poetic. 1177 01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:34,708 He has a song about it. 1178 01:07:34,791 --> 01:07:37,000 Gordon, I couldn't put it down from the very first page, 1179 01:07:37,083 --> 01:07:39,083 and of course, the obvious question comes first, 1180 01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:40,666 is it autobiographical? 1181 01:07:41,375 --> 01:07:43,625 Well, that's often asked, uh, 1182 01:07:43,708 --> 01:07:47,333 I have a... I must say that it's fictional. 1183 01:07:47,416 --> 01:07:50,791 LIFE magazine calls it "Fictional Autobiographical." 1184 01:07:50,875 --> 01:07:53,625 It's a tricky one. But I will admit 1185 01:07:53,708 --> 01:07:55,583 that I know most of the characters in it. 1186 01:07:55,666 --> 01:07:58,541 At this point, Gordon's personal bearing 1187 01:07:58,625 --> 01:08:01,708 begins to become much more distinct and distinguished. 1188 01:08:03,208 --> 01:08:07,750 If celebrity was a language, Gordon spoke it fluently. 1189 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:09,458 Have you got anything else in preparation? 1190 01:08:09,541 --> 01:08:11,916 Yes, I have an autobiographical book 1191 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,166 coming up for Harper's, and a novel, 1192 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,125 and there's great talk now 1193 01:08:16,208 --> 01:08:17,666 of a movie for The Learning Tree, 1194 01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:20,875 and I will be asked to direct that. 1195 01:08:20,958 --> 01:08:23,000 I hope certainly, because you know it so much better, 1196 01:08:23,083 --> 01:08:25,166 and I hope also that they're going to let you shoot it 1197 01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:26,541 just about in the same location. 1198 01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:29,750 We hope to go right back to Kansas and shoot this there. 1199 01:08:35,833 --> 01:08:38,541 I think he gravitated to film 1200 01:08:38,625 --> 01:08:42,041 because he understood the immense audience. 1201 01:08:42,791 --> 01:08:44,750 Gordon was so interested 1202 01:08:44,833 --> 01:08:47,875 in reaching as many people as possible. 1203 01:08:47,958 --> 01:08:52,166 The Learning Tree was the first major studio film 1204 01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:54,791 directed by an African American director. 1205 01:08:54,875 --> 01:08:57,708 So he broke tremendous ground with the film. 1206 01:08:57,791 --> 01:08:59,166 All of these things are clues. 1207 01:08:59,250 --> 01:09:01,416 Each one should know exactly what they're coming to do, 1208 01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:02,625 and what they're gonna do. 1209 01:09:02,708 --> 01:09:05,541 He demanded that Black crew members 1210 01:09:05,625 --> 01:09:06,833 be around him. 1211 01:09:07,625 --> 01:09:09,583 He really lifted as he climbed. 1212 01:09:09,666 --> 01:09:12,125 With The Learning Tree, they took 1213 01:09:12,208 --> 01:09:15,833 a thoroughly integrated crew and cast. 1214 01:09:15,916 --> 01:09:18,416 They could work together. They could live together. 1215 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:21,958 They created a feeling of goodwill, you might say. 1216 01:09:22,041 --> 01:09:23,583 All right, let's shoot it now. 1217 01:09:24,708 --> 01:09:25,833 Action! 1218 01:09:25,916 --> 01:09:28,000 He was not only able to direct the film, 1219 01:09:28,083 --> 01:09:31,375 but to, you know, play direct parts in a lot of 1220 01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:33,916 the other art practice and disciplines 1221 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,375 that went into making the film. 1222 01:09:35,458 --> 01:09:38,416 I wrote the screenplay, I directed it, 1223 01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:40,333 I wrote the music, 1224 01:09:40,416 --> 01:09:42,791 and I produced it for Warner Brothers. 1225 01:09:42,875 --> 01:09:45,166 Parks is kind of like the guy in the band 1226 01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:46,916 who's gonna play all the instruments. 1227 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,375 That would still be a pretty uncommon thing 1228 01:09:51,458 --> 01:09:53,791 to see one person do all those things. 1229 01:09:53,875 --> 01:09:57,208 But I also think it falls into the same sort of paradox 1230 01:09:57,791 --> 01:09:59,666 of his career, 1231 01:09:59,750 --> 01:10:02,541 which is that in order to be the first Black person to do something, 1232 01:10:02,625 --> 01:10:04,875 you have to be this exceptional talent. 1233 01:10:04,958 --> 01:10:08,000 The 15th and youngest child of a Kansas farmer, 1234 01:10:08,083 --> 01:10:10,291 he told of how it was growing up 1235 01:10:10,375 --> 01:10:12,875 in his bestselling novel, The Learning Tree. 1236 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,125 And now Gordon Parks has returned to the town 1237 01:10:16,208 --> 01:10:18,708 where he lived it. And there, made that story 1238 01:10:18,791 --> 01:10:20,083 into a motion picture. 1239 01:10:21,208 --> 01:10:22,125 ♪ My baby's gone ♪ 1240 01:10:22,208 --> 01:10:24,166 It is an essential film, 1241 01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:26,458 certainly in understanding the Black cinematic canon, 1242 01:10:26,541 --> 01:10:28,750 but it should be a part of the conversation 1243 01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:31,291 as we talk about the American cinematic canon. 1244 01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:34,833 And to make something as lyrical and intimate 1245 01:10:34,916 --> 01:10:36,416 as The Learning Tree, 1246 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,250 and then create a cultural phenomenon 1247 01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:40,083 like Shaft is remarkable! 1248 01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:42,041 - Now the sequence we saw this morning... - Right. 1249 01:10:42,125 --> 01:10:44,750 Times Square, panned on off the skyscrapers 1250 01:10:44,833 --> 01:10:46,958 along 42nd Street where the marquis is, 1251 01:10:47,041 --> 01:10:49,250 and when Shaft pops up out of that subway, 1252 01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:51,458 -that's when it should really come on. -Right. 1253 01:10:51,541 --> 01:10:54,375 And there should be a driving savage beat, 1254 01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:57,166 you know, so that we'll be right with him all the time. 1255 01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:59,958 -Mm-hmm. -What I heard you working on earlier 1256 01:11:00,041 --> 01:11:01,833 seems great for that Shaft walk. 1257 01:11:01,916 --> 01:11:03,666 - Can we hear it now? - Yeah, okay. 1258 01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:05,791 Now watch the rhythm, man. Just let it flow, you know? 1259 01:11:05,875 --> 01:11:09,666 One, two, three, four. 1260 01:11:22,166 --> 01:11:24,583 How many detectives have we seen? 1261 01:11:24,666 --> 01:11:27,791 From The Maltese Falcon, you know, all the way up. 1262 01:11:27,875 --> 01:11:30,000 We have never seen it like this. 1263 01:11:30,083 --> 01:11:32,041 - Up yours! - Get out of the way. 1264 01:11:32,125 --> 01:11:35,625 Richard Roundtree was like this swaggering figure. 1265 01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:38,291 As they called him back then, the "Black James Bond." 1266 01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:41,583 I thought we were gonna get to. 1267 01:11:41,666 --> 01:11:43,333 We did, but you wanted me to fidget. 1268 01:11:43,416 --> 01:11:45,583 I just said, "Up yours, baby." 1269 01:11:45,666 --> 01:11:48,250 The whole point of Shaft is he wasn't part of the system, 1270 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,083 that he had agency outside of that. 1271 01:11:50,166 --> 01:11:53,208 Don't get wise with me, Shaft. I'll put your goddamn ass in. 1272 01:11:53,291 --> 01:11:55,375 I'll sue your goddamn ass for false arrest. 1273 01:11:55,458 --> 01:11:58,166 When Shaft interacts with the police, he talks to them 1274 01:11:58,250 --> 01:12:01,166 the way that all Black people wanted to talk to the police. 1275 01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:03,000 -Cool it, man. -You cool it, boy. 1276 01:12:03,083 --> 01:12:05,500 He talked the way he wanted to talk to whoever he wanted to, 1277 01:12:05,583 --> 01:12:06,958 and that included the Black radicals, 1278 01:12:07,041 --> 01:12:08,541 that included the Harlem gangsters. 1279 01:12:09,666 --> 01:12:11,458 And the idea of Black power 1280 01:12:11,541 --> 01:12:13,833 became very, very popular with younger people. 1281 01:12:13,916 --> 01:12:15,625 You were seeing that in the streets. 1282 01:12:15,708 --> 01:12:18,083 You were seeing that in the pop culture. 1283 01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:21,916 And it comes through his work as a photographer. 1284 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,750 When you think about what was going on in the country at that time, 1285 01:12:24,833 --> 01:12:30,000 you know, really the country was at war in many ways with itself. 1286 01:12:30,083 --> 01:12:33,208 Shaft was the movie that kind of mainstreamed 1287 01:12:33,291 --> 01:12:34,708 a lot of that rebellion 1288 01:12:34,791 --> 01:12:36,875 through this sort of detective character. 1289 01:12:36,958 --> 01:12:38,000 Listen, Snow White, 1290 01:12:38,083 --> 01:12:39,791 me and you gonna tangle sooner or later. 1291 01:12:39,875 --> 01:12:41,916 We ain't gonna do shit. 1292 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,125 John Shaft represented Black manhood. 1293 01:12:46,208 --> 01:12:49,000 We're kicking ass, and we got the ladies too. 1294 01:12:50,791 --> 01:12:53,375 We got it covered on all sides! 1295 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,625 I didn't see Shaft until much later. 1296 01:12:58,708 --> 01:13:00,416 My mother didn't want me watching that. 1297 01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:03,166 She thought it was a little too risqué for her baby. 1298 01:13:04,291 --> 01:13:06,500 He had White and Black women. 1299 01:13:06,583 --> 01:13:09,000 Shaft is in a shower having sex with a White chick 1300 01:13:09,083 --> 01:13:10,166 he met at a bar. 1301 01:13:10,625 --> 01:13:11,916 That was, whoa. 1302 01:13:15,041 --> 01:13:16,958 I saw it on 42nd Street. 1303 01:13:17,041 --> 01:13:18,166 No noise. 1304 01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:21,583 That motherfuckin' theater was jam packed. 1305 01:13:21,666 --> 01:13:24,833 And Black folks were going berserk. 1306 01:13:24,916 --> 01:13:28,416 It's like, we ain't never seen no shit like this before. 1307 01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:29,791 Open it! 1308 01:13:31,833 --> 01:13:35,041 We loved it! Because on the screen 1309 01:13:35,125 --> 01:13:38,000 we're looking at a Black superhero. 1310 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,500 Shaft is a guy, he has an office in Times Square. 1311 01:13:43,583 --> 01:13:45,416 He has a place in the Village, 1312 01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:48,625 but he's able to move in Harlem and other spaces as well. 1313 01:13:48,708 --> 01:13:50,250 Hey, man. What's goin' on? 1314 01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:52,375 He has a relationship with the police and the authorities, 1315 01:13:52,458 --> 01:13:55,166 but he also has a relationship with the radical element. 1316 01:13:55,916 --> 01:13:57,416 That's Gordon! 1317 01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:00,458 And be sure, after you hit him over the head with the bottle, 1318 01:14:00,541 --> 01:14:02,875 and you see the blood gush out of his face, 1319 01:14:02,958 --> 01:14:06,291 that you maintain the cool that Shaft should maintain. 1320 01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:11,041 Gordon introduced me to Morty Sills, his tailor. 1321 01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:16,666 He says, um, "He will put it all together for you." 1322 01:14:18,875 --> 01:14:22,041 He never told me this, and it was only years after 1323 01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:24,916 that I looked back on it in retrospect, 1324 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,166 it was Gordon Parks. 1325 01:14:27,250 --> 01:14:30,083 Gentlemen, do your scene as you did it in the master. 1326 01:14:30,166 --> 01:14:32,041 No mistakes, because this is the type 1327 01:14:32,125 --> 01:14:33,958 we don't like to retake. 1328 01:14:34,041 --> 01:14:35,458 The swaggering guy 1329 01:14:35,541 --> 01:14:39,166 with that black leather jacket, which became an icon. 1330 01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:42,416 This was Gordon's other personality. 1331 01:14:44,125 --> 01:14:45,333 That was beautiful, sweetheart. 1332 01:14:47,208 --> 01:14:49,375 The movie was a critical success 1333 01:14:49,458 --> 01:14:50,791 and a box office success. 1334 01:14:51,875 --> 01:14:53,833 It won an Oscar for Isaac Hayes's 1335 01:14:53,916 --> 01:14:56,166 extraordinary song for the opening credits. 1336 01:14:59,041 --> 01:15:01,125 It literally set into motion the idea that 1337 01:15:01,208 --> 01:15:04,083 if you make Black films, people will come and see them. 1338 01:15:06,958 --> 01:15:08,666 Shaft is back! 1339 01:15:10,166 --> 01:15:11,333 Drop the guns and freeze! 1340 01:15:11,416 --> 01:15:15,166 He's super hood, super high, super dude, 1341 01:15:15,833 --> 01:15:16,958 super fly. 1342 01:15:17,041 --> 01:15:18,708 The arrival of Blaxploitation 1343 01:15:18,791 --> 01:15:21,500 really shored up Hollywood's fortunes. 1344 01:15:21,583 --> 01:15:23,416 Those films were inexpensive to make 1345 01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:26,416 and guaranteed really significant box offices. 1346 01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:29,375 -Don't crowd me, boy. -You better put that down before I make you eat it. 1347 01:15:31,208 --> 01:15:32,708 But after being kind of a source 1348 01:15:32,791 --> 01:15:36,000 of a great deal of revenue, there wasn't anything beyond that. 1349 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000 Very few times would the story deviate 1350 01:15:40,083 --> 01:15:42,875 from the same old, same old thing. 1351 01:15:42,958 --> 01:15:46,708 And eventually, the Black audience got tired 1352 01:15:46,791 --> 01:15:48,708 and the genre died out because 1353 01:15:48,791 --> 01:15:51,291 they went to the well way too often. 1354 01:15:54,833 --> 01:15:58,291 That whole wave of Black film, that Gordon helped create, 1355 01:15:58,375 --> 01:16:01,125 crested, and Hollywood moved on. 1356 01:16:03,041 --> 01:16:05,250 When Blaxploitation began to fade out, 1357 01:16:05,333 --> 01:16:08,791 there was no avenue to say, "Okay, we want Gordon Parks 1358 01:16:08,875 --> 01:16:12,000 to direct this World War II epic." 1359 01:16:12,083 --> 01:16:15,333 Or like any of the kind of natural progressions 1360 01:16:15,416 --> 01:16:17,416 that you would've seen, especially kind of the heyday 1361 01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:20,291 of the 1970s American director. 1362 01:16:20,375 --> 01:16:22,416 You don't see him get entrée into that. 1363 01:16:25,416 --> 01:16:27,250 I've never been offered some of the films 1364 01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:29,583 that would have been offered to me had I been White. 1365 01:16:29,666 --> 01:16:31,500 Let's put it very simply like that. 1366 01:16:36,083 --> 01:16:38,458 He really wanted to keep on being a director, 1367 01:16:38,541 --> 01:16:41,541 but nobody asked him anymore. That grieved him a lot. 1368 01:16:43,958 --> 01:16:47,958 He had not achieved what he wanted to in the movie world. 1369 01:16:50,583 --> 01:16:53,458 No matter who you are, as an artist, 1370 01:16:53,541 --> 01:16:57,458 and you're not able to expand and grow, 1371 01:16:57,541 --> 01:16:59,041 it's gonna hurt your soul. 1372 01:16:59,125 --> 01:17:01,000 Because your soul is what... 1373 01:17:02,208 --> 01:17:03,416 is what your art is. 1374 01:17:06,875 --> 01:17:09,250 He was not a comfortable fit. 1375 01:17:09,333 --> 01:17:11,791 While he had been able to walk a tightrope 1376 01:17:11,875 --> 01:17:12,958 at LIFE magazine, 1377 01:17:13,041 --> 01:17:15,500 he couldn't quite walk the tightrope in Hollywood. 1378 01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:20,250 So it was a brief meteoric career, 1379 01:17:20,333 --> 01:17:21,666 and then it was all over. 1380 01:17:24,416 --> 01:17:27,208 Of course, Hollywood has changed from the late '60s, 1381 01:17:27,291 --> 01:17:29,208 when he started making films, 1382 01:17:29,291 --> 01:17:32,166 but it's changed because he changed it, you know. 1383 01:17:32,250 --> 01:17:35,083 It's changed because, you know, he opened the door. 1384 01:17:41,583 --> 01:17:44,750 All the years that I knew Gordon, 1385 01:17:44,833 --> 01:17:46,958 over 20 years that I worked with him... 1386 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,375 the next project is what was important. 1387 01:17:51,458 --> 01:17:54,250 How was this going to affect the future? 1388 01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:55,708 And that's where he wanted to go. 1389 01:17:55,791 --> 01:17:57,666 He was always moving forward. 1390 01:17:57,750 --> 01:18:01,166 I want to compose more. I want to compose differently. 1391 01:18:01,250 --> 01:18:03,791 I want to write more. I want to write differently. 1392 01:18:03,875 --> 01:18:07,041 This all takes time, and I know I don't have 1393 01:18:07,125 --> 01:18:08,333 that much time. 1394 01:18:09,541 --> 01:18:11,250 He would stay up until, you know, 1395 01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:12,750 six o'clock in the morning, typing. 1396 01:18:12,833 --> 01:18:14,291 I remember when I would stay with him, 1397 01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:16,458 just hearing the typewriter going, 1398 01:18:16,541 --> 01:18:19,625 like, he just never stopped working. 1399 01:18:19,708 --> 01:18:21,875 Being creative was just something 1400 01:18:21,958 --> 01:18:23,291 he couldn't help doing. 1401 01:18:24,875 --> 01:18:27,791 He just had this drive to work all the time. 1402 01:18:27,875 --> 01:18:30,291 Expression of his talent was his religion. 1403 01:18:32,791 --> 01:18:37,250 At 85, I really feel that I'm just ready to start. 1404 01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:43,708 I met him at the Leica Gallery in the '90s. 1405 01:18:43,791 --> 01:18:46,833 I had just had a really difficult day at jail 1406 01:18:46,916 --> 01:18:49,375 where a young man tried to kill himself. 1407 01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:51,416 You know, like maybe two hours earlier, 1408 01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:53,250 and now I'm at an opening. 1409 01:18:53,333 --> 01:18:57,291 I was downstairs about to leave, and Gordon had come down. 1410 01:18:58,666 --> 01:19:00,916 And I asked him, you know, with all due respect, sir, 1411 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,250 may I take a photograph of you? 1412 01:19:03,333 --> 01:19:06,583 And he had a really bad toothache, and he couldn't speak. 1413 01:19:06,666 --> 01:19:08,750 He looked me in my eyes, and he raised his right hand, 1414 01:19:08,833 --> 01:19:12,333 and he shook his fist about three times as he looked at me. 1415 01:19:12,416 --> 01:19:15,458 He must have saw the pain inside me at that point. 1416 01:19:15,541 --> 01:19:17,625 Through his body language, he let me know that 1417 01:19:17,708 --> 01:19:19,291 you are in a sense, 1418 01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:21,458 carry on that torch, like, hang in there. 1419 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:28,791 I had friends who knew him, so I was able to be around him. 1420 01:19:29,916 --> 01:19:32,166 He wasn't just a guy who photojournalists knew 1421 01:19:32,250 --> 01:19:35,125 or other people in the photo art world knew. 1422 01:19:35,208 --> 01:19:39,166 Gordon was able to leap out of the world of photography 1423 01:19:39,250 --> 01:19:41,083 into the world of popular culture. 1424 01:19:45,875 --> 01:19:48,583 In the summer of 1998, 1425 01:19:48,666 --> 01:19:52,250 XXL magazine, which was then a fledgling hip-hop magazine, 1426 01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:54,500 decided to do a photograph reenacting 1427 01:19:54,583 --> 01:19:57,833 the Great Day in Harlem photo that he had taken in '58. 1428 01:20:00,458 --> 01:20:03,166 But the big deal was, who was going to shoot it? 1429 01:20:03,250 --> 01:20:05,750 And they were desperately trying to get Gordon, 1430 01:20:05,833 --> 01:20:07,250 and he finally agreed to do it. 1431 01:20:13,125 --> 01:20:17,166 And him doing that photo made the photo really important. 1432 01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:19,083 Legendary, legendary. 1433 01:20:19,166 --> 01:20:20,541 Connecting the generations 1434 01:20:20,625 --> 01:20:22,541 between the hip-hop world and the jazz world. 1435 01:20:22,625 --> 01:20:25,125 I watched footage on the Great Day in Harlem 1436 01:20:25,208 --> 01:20:27,000 and what that meant to them, man. 1437 01:20:27,083 --> 01:20:29,166 And how Thelonious Monk came down. 1438 01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:31,875 And then, I mean, yo, it means something to me. 1439 01:20:37,041 --> 01:20:38,625 I came out to do my part, 1440 01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:40,625 to represent my culture, you know what I mean. 1441 01:20:40,708 --> 01:20:42,958 A wide range of artists all say part of the reason 1442 01:20:43,041 --> 01:20:44,750 for being there was Gordon Parks. 1443 01:20:44,833 --> 01:20:47,375 When they called, I said, "Yo, who's doing it man?" I had to be here man. 1444 01:20:47,458 --> 01:20:50,375 Hip-hop was not the number one pop culture in '98. 1445 01:20:50,458 --> 01:20:53,291 So for Gordon to be there, for them was a validation. 1446 01:20:53,375 --> 01:20:55,083 There's times when he walks up... 1447 01:20:55,166 --> 01:20:57,250 ...to try and move people around during the photoshoot, 1448 01:20:57,333 --> 01:21:00,500 and people are applauding because he's there. 1449 01:21:00,583 --> 01:21:02,291 I think he was really touched by that. 1450 01:21:02,375 --> 01:21:04,041 And when he got ready to get in the car, 1451 01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:05,166 he was like... 1452 01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:06,791 I mean, I was right behind him and I'm, 1453 01:21:06,875 --> 01:21:08,708 "Get in the car, man. Quit fuckin' around." 1454 01:21:28,791 --> 01:21:31,625 Zion, go to your papa's shoulder. 1455 01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:32,958 Stand by him. 1456 01:21:33,041 --> 01:21:35,166 - Me? - You're taking a portrait with me. 1457 01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:38,000 Lights, camera, action! 1458 01:21:38,083 --> 01:21:40,041 So, here, let me show you. 1459 01:21:40,125 --> 01:21:43,958 So wrap your arm around, and don't be stiff. 1460 01:21:44,041 --> 01:21:46,916 Come on. This is the shot. This is an important shot. 1461 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,166 - Yeah. - Because I don't have this one, okay? 1462 01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:53,041 What Gordon Parks's legacy in life has showed me 1463 01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:56,041 is that I am visually representing people 1464 01:21:56,125 --> 01:21:59,791 like how a lawyer represents the plaintiff 1465 01:21:59,875 --> 01:22:03,541 and their client, right. And that is a real fight. 1466 01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:07,666 Do you always wear your glasses? 1467 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:09,250 I see better without them. 1468 01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:12,500 Oh, yeah. Look at those eyes. All right, Mr. Smiley. 1469 01:22:13,125 --> 01:22:14,625 These aren't projects. 1470 01:22:14,708 --> 01:22:18,666 There is real blood depending on that work circulating, 1471 01:22:18,750 --> 01:22:20,541 and being out in the world. 1472 01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:24,375 I get to tell this narrative nobody wanted to tell. 1473 01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:27,208 So Zion, you're going to be focused and concentrating 1474 01:22:27,291 --> 01:22:28,583 on me and the lens. 1475 01:22:28,666 --> 01:22:32,166 And I want you to be like, you know, proud. 1476 01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:34,083 Bring your chin down just a little bit. 1477 01:22:38,958 --> 01:22:42,416 I think it's important to create this visual narrative 1478 01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:46,041 that pays homage to Gordon's legacy 1479 01:22:46,125 --> 01:22:47,875 of understanding how to take 1480 01:22:47,958 --> 01:22:50,875 the trauma behind institutional racism, 1481 01:22:50,958 --> 01:22:54,000 or constantly being under siege in America 1482 01:22:54,083 --> 01:22:55,250 because you're Black, 1483 01:22:55,333 --> 01:22:58,750 and convey that to a viewer with an evocative feeling. 1484 01:23:13,416 --> 01:23:16,208 Looking at Gordon Parks's photographs today, 1485 01:23:16,291 --> 01:23:19,333 what's incredible about them is that they're timeless. 1486 01:23:19,416 --> 01:23:22,250 They're as relevant today as they were, you know, 1487 01:23:22,333 --> 01:23:24,375 thirty, 40, 50 years ago. 1488 01:23:24,458 --> 01:23:26,791 He's created this catalogue of images 1489 01:23:26,875 --> 01:23:29,916 that today now tell an important story 1490 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,333 that we're still trying to understand, 1491 01:23:32,416 --> 01:23:36,083 and if we're willing to look at that story, we'll gain an appreciation 1492 01:23:36,166 --> 01:23:39,250 of some truths that we've been slow to recognize. 1493 01:23:41,125 --> 01:23:44,833 Gordon resonates because life 1494 01:23:44,916 --> 01:23:51,083 has continually reminded us of things that he tried to tell us. 1495 01:23:52,541 --> 01:23:55,083 We have seen in Minneapolis, 1496 01:23:55,166 --> 01:23:57,208 you know, a city that Gordon had personal connection to, 1497 01:23:57,291 --> 01:23:59,333 there's a high school named for him there, 1498 01:23:59,416 --> 01:24:02,583 the most brutal depictions of racism. 1499 01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:06,833 And you know, we've seen 1500 01:24:06,916 --> 01:24:11,625 just how crucial images are to us 1501 01:24:11,708 --> 01:24:13,500 understanding our own humanity. 1502 01:24:15,208 --> 01:24:17,291 I don't think that we really get to understand 1503 01:24:17,375 --> 01:24:19,458 the world that we operate in 1504 01:24:19,541 --> 01:24:22,291 in the same way that we understand it now without Gordon. 1505 01:24:25,208 --> 01:24:27,791 His influence is now legendary. 1506 01:24:27,875 --> 01:24:31,250 And I think it's because he represented something 1507 01:24:31,333 --> 01:24:34,250 that was both dynamic in its own time 1508 01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,208 and years ahead of its time. 1509 01:24:37,541 --> 01:24:38,791 When you look at him 1510 01:24:38,875 --> 01:24:41,791 and the many disciplines and tools he was using. 1511 01:24:42,833 --> 01:24:45,375 Photography, he was writing books, 1512 01:24:45,458 --> 01:24:48,333 he was making movies. I mean, he was doing it all. 1513 01:24:48,416 --> 01:24:51,166 That kind of gave me permission to think, 1514 01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:53,166 you can do more. 1515 01:24:53,250 --> 01:24:56,000 As a photographer and as photographers, 1516 01:24:56,083 --> 01:24:58,000 I think that we have a responsibility 1517 01:24:58,083 --> 01:24:59,458 to kind of, like, lend our voice 1518 01:24:59,541 --> 01:25:01,166 and use our cameras as weapons 1519 01:25:01,250 --> 01:25:03,333 to counterbalance a lot that's going on out there. 1520 01:25:04,375 --> 01:25:05,625 You know, so like Gordon, 1521 01:25:05,708 --> 01:25:08,833 what I'm just trying to do now is offer a counter narrative 1522 01:25:08,916 --> 01:25:10,791 to a lot of the negative images 1523 01:25:10,875 --> 01:25:13,000 that we are so accustomed to seeing. 1524 01:25:13,083 --> 01:25:15,333 Of course, the photographs can make a difference. 1525 01:25:17,041 --> 01:25:19,625 What Parks reminds us is 1526 01:25:19,708 --> 01:25:22,625 that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. 1527 01:25:22,708 --> 01:25:25,916 That vigilance only comes from a visual way 1528 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,083 of understanding what we're experiencing 1529 01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:29,958 and what needs to be confronted. 1530 01:25:30,041 --> 01:25:32,000 And I think contemporary photographers 1531 01:25:32,083 --> 01:25:34,333 are really standing on his shoulders when they do that. 1532 01:25:37,208 --> 01:25:39,333 When you think about Gordon Parks and his legacy, 1533 01:25:39,416 --> 01:25:41,625 yes, we love the work, this is our passion, 1534 01:25:41,708 --> 01:25:43,083 but it's also about the people you touch 1535 01:25:43,166 --> 01:25:45,875 and how we change their lives using this art form 1536 01:25:45,958 --> 01:25:47,791 to bring people together. 1537 01:25:54,916 --> 01:25:57,333 When I'm shooting images of people, 1538 01:25:57,416 --> 01:26:01,166 I will see a Gordon Parks image, and I'll know 1539 01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:03,500 that I'm making that portrait 1540 01:26:03,583 --> 01:26:06,666 that's in conversation with all of that legacy. 1541 01:26:22,375 --> 01:26:24,750 Whenever I get lost, or stumble, or trip, 1542 01:26:24,833 --> 01:26:28,833 I'll never tire of always looking to Gordon. 129331

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