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I heard joel rifkin's name
on the radio.
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A 34-year-old new york man
will be in court this morning.
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Joel rifkin has told police
he's a serial killer.
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I remember gasping that
that was my college friend.
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He looked so harmless.
I had to have answers.
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There were plenty of kids
in the hall who were scary,
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But joel was not.
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I was trying to figure out
how the joel that I knew
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Became a deadly killer.
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He's riding around all night
looking for girls,
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And then he's butchering
the bodies next door?
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And no one knew.
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So he was invisible,
certainly, to law enforcement.
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As a youngster,
he'd be accosted, assaulted.
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Where does that go
psychologically?
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I never got to say goodbye
to my friend
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Or to even understand
what happened to her.
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He felt no guilt,
no remorse, no pain.
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He was a monster.
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New york city in the late
'80s and the early '90s,
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Crime was rampant.
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Policeman was shot dead
in his patrol car.
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There were
more than 2,000 murders a year.
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This has reached
epidemic proportions.
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It is a crack epidemic
which police say is causing
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An increase in murder
and other violent crime.
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Parents... they were terrified
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To have their children
move there.
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Back then,
I was a police officer,
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And it was frightening for me,
so I can't even imagine
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What it must have been like
for the populace back then.
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It was a quiet night.
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There was really no one
on the road.
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It was approximately
3:15 in the morning.
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We observed a pickup truck
in the center lane.
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As we got closer, we realized
there was no license plate.
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We turned on the lights
to initiate a car stop.
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The pickup truck
did not pull over.
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We pulled up alongside of him.
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He just kind of slowly
looked over,
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Just had a very blank look
on his face.
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Possibly he was intoxicated,
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So I pointed to him to pull
over to the side of the road.
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We thought he was pulling up
onto the shoulder,
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At which time, he exited
the southern state parkway.
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He just wasn't stopping,
and at that point,
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I called in that
we were in pursuit.
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He was getting faster
and faster,
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Up to 90 miles an hour.
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We started getting
into tighter, windier roads.
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We stayed right behind him.
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There's clearly
something he's hiding.
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He was debating
which way to turn.
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At the last minute,
he decided to go left.
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He drove up onto the sidewalk
and struck a light pole...
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Knocking down the pole,
and the pursuit was over.
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I approached white male subject
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With his hands up.
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I opened the door,
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Grabbed him out,
and put the cuffs on him.
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I asked him his name,
his address, date of birth.
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He said his name
was joel rifkin,
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And that's when
I noticed the smell.
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As we looked into
the back of the truck,
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There was a blue tarp.
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The decision was made
to pull back the tarp,
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And we could see the head
and shoulder of a female
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Deceased for several days.
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That was the first time
joel rifkin raised
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To the level
of anyone's attention.
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He wasn't on our radar.
Prior to this,
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He was invisible,
certainly to law enforcement.
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My job at the scene
is to take control
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And supervise the investigation.
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I directed
that they take him back
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To the state police
headquarters in farmingdale.
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Our goal was to lock him in
to the victim we had,
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And rifkin was cooperative.
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He couldn't deny that he had
the body in the vehicle.
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And that's when
they started to ask...
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"Well, has this ever
happened before?"
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And joel rifkin answered,
"well, what if it did?"
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Is it more than 10,
less than 20?
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He kind of leaned back
in the chair and said,
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"one or 100,
what's the difference?"
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I knew what serial murderers
were.
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I certainly never thought
I was gonna meet one.
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This is just getting
crazier and crazier.
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What is going on here?
Who is joel rifkin?
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Two troopers
on uniformed night patrol
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Stopped a pickup truck
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That contained the body
of a female victim.
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I was driving out to long island
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When I heard joel rifkin's name
on the radio.
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There was an arrest
of joel rifkin.
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I remembered gasping.
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I immediately realized that
that was my college friend.
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We were both journalism students
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At the state university
of new york at brockport.
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I had received
my very first paid assignment
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For a boxing magazine
featuring a local fighter.
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The journalism department
recommended joel rifkin
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As the wonder kid
of the photography department.
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We drove the 30 miles
or so to the fight.
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I remember thinking, "you know,
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This guy is really unique.
He's really cool."
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There were a lot
of commonalities.
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We were both long island kids.
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This assignment
for the boxing match
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Was on a Friday night.
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Joel wound up getting
some phenomenal shots.
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We saw each other
a couple of times after that,
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But the semester was soon over.
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When I went back
for the spring semester,
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I had hoped to see him.
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I asked around.
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I found out
that joel dropped out.
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When I heard about his arrest,
I was dismayed
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Because that differed so much
from the joel that I knew.
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This guy had so much potential.
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I had just assumed that he was
out there conquering the world
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While I was just a cop.
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I had lots of questions.
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I wanted to know everything
there was to know.
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I fired off a letter to joel
at attica prison,
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"And I said, "I was taken aback
by what you did.
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I'd love to learn more
about your motivations."
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I was curious
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If he had that secret life
when I knew him,
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How long he'd been conducting
that secret life.
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How did it all go wrong?
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Did it go wrong
before I even met him?
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When joel rifkin
responded to me,
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He told me
that he remembered me.
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We had some
pretty friendly letters,
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And then 7 years
after he was arrested,
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I went up to see him.
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He was very kind of
disarmingly friendly,
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Very open, honest and candid.
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What drove a guy that I once
considered a friend to murder?
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And how could joel have gotten
away with this for so long?
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Anything I asked him,
nothing was off limits.
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As a cop,
sometimes you can sense
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That people are relishing
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Telling you about their antics,
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But joel was so unemotional
about this
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And so matter of fact.
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There was this complete
disconnect from reality.
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I spoke to my college friend
joel rifkin
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At attica prison in 1999
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Because I just couldn't
reconcile the fact
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That the joel rifkin I knew
became this invisible killer.
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When joel talked
about his childhood,
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I expected him to get
a little more emotional,
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But he was pretty
much matter of fact.
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What I found most interesting
was, unlike most people
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That have a desire
to harm others,
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There was no bed-wetting.
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There was no purposeful harm
of animals.
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There was no fire-starting.
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So he really is unique.
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His behaviors did not reflect
any of the normal patterns
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Of such a nefarious criminal.
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He talked about him
and his sister being adopted
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From a jewish agency
in new york,
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And I remember him saying,
you know,
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Sort of self-deprecatingly
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That the dream came true
for his parents
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When they adopted a boy
and a girl.
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Joel's family settled
in east meadow, long island.
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It was joel and his sister,
and his parents, ben and jean.
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East meadow was
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A quintessential
middle class place to grow up.
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It wasn't just looked upon
as a middle class home.
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It was looked upon
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As the future of which
dreams were made.
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It was their piece
of the american pie.
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- They were our neighbors.
- We were in the same class.
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I used to walk
to school with him.
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Joel was just a regular kid
who was extra quiet,
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Really polite, nice, sweet,
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The kind of guy
who's in his own world,
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Doing his own thing.
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Joel came to my bar mitzvah,
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But at the same time,
he's different.
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He didn't really fit
with anyone.
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For joel, living in east meadow,
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What he perceived to be
his inferiorities
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Took center stage.
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It was not
a blissful existence for him.
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While we might have been
throwing the ball,
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He was looking at the sidewalk
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With a magnifying glass
at a bug or something.
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I do remember joel
being called turtle.
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He had always seemed like
he was kind of a little slower
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And a step behind.
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It became readily apparent
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That he couldn't play sports.
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Joel would be probably
the last person to be picked,
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And I know that
that frustrated his father.
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His father had been
an athlete in college,
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So joel didn't quite meet up
to his level
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Of what the father
wanted his son to be.
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That caused a tremendous amount
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Of frustration for joel
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And kind of retarded
his development
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As far as, you know,
feeling good about himself.
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It went into his schoolwork
as well.
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Joel had a very high iq...
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128 was the exact number...
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But he didn't concentrate well
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Unless something
really interested him.
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His father, who was scholarly,
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Would sit at the kitchen table
with him
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And pore over the homework.
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That was the first person
to interview rifkin in prison,
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And he said he was tortured
by the fact
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That he couldn't live up
to his father's expectations.
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The mother embraced him
and pulled him
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Photography and horticulture.
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He did a lot of photography,
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And he was actually
very good at it,
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But at the same time,
something is amiss.
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Joel described to me
the bullying that he endured.
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He would walk home from school.
He'd be accosted, assaulted.
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On one occasion,
he had underwear
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Stuffed in his mouth.
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There'd be all sorts
of physical assaults,
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Mocking, name calling.
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- He wasn't harming anyone.
- He wasn't combative.
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There were plenty of kids
in the hall
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Who were scary,
but joel was not.
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Some kids get picked on,
they go home, they cry.
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Their parents take care of it.
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He just took it.
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He experienced that
all his life.
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I'm sure that that experience
shaped his psyche
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Because acceptance
by one's peers
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Is the be-all and end-all
to a child's psyche.
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It must have built up
impotent rage
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When you feel such anger
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But you really can't do
anything about it.
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You're not strong enough.
You don't have enough allies,
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And I imagine that joel rifkin
built up this reservoir of rage
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With no place to put it.
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Joel said that he dreaded
going to school every day,
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So he devised this complex plan.
250
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In the morning, he would time it
251
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So he would get to school
252
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Seconds before the bell rang
253
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So nobody would have
the opportunity to harass him.
254
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He would take
this circuitous route
255
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Through the woods to his home,
256
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Where he would secure himself
in his room
257
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For the rest of the night.
258
00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:31,526
How did this behavior help
joel get away with what he did?
259
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He seemed very ordinary.
260
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He used this process
to his advantage.
261
00:18:38,401 --> 00:18:44,049
He became a master
of not only being stealth,
262
00:18:44,073 --> 00:18:46,040
But being stealth
in plain sight.
263
00:18:47,410 --> 00:18:51,056
Joel is like the invisible man,
264
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,186
Which contributed greatly
to his success as a murderer
265
00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:59,731
As well as his longevity
as a murderer.
266
00:18:59,755 --> 00:19:04,392
But how did joel transition
from social outcast to killer?
267
00:19:23,237 --> 00:19:27,551
I first began interviewing
joel rifkin in the late '90s
268
00:19:27,575 --> 00:19:30,637
'cause I wanted to know,
how did joel learn
269
00:19:30,661 --> 00:19:33,754
To never raise any suspicions?
270
00:19:34,415 --> 00:19:36,152
As a cop, I've interviewed
lots of people
271
00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,561
That did really horrible things,
272
00:19:37,585 --> 00:19:40,156
But this guy was
my college friend.
273
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I never thought,
"ah, I should have saw that.
274
00:19:42,465 --> 00:19:44,390
I should have noticed that."
275
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He told me in high school
his life became hell.
276
00:19:51,357 --> 00:19:55,078
He felt as if the only people
that noticed him
277
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Were the people
that wanted to harm him.
278
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Where does that
go psychologically?
279
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I'm sure you try to do something
280
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To spare yourself
further humiliation,
281
00:20:19,877 --> 00:20:21,980
Emotional pain.
282
00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:28,528
Joel went to great pains
in his private life
283
00:20:28,552 --> 00:20:31,114
To make people not see him
284
00:20:31,138 --> 00:20:33,898
And to be invisible
while being in plain sight.
285
00:20:37,853 --> 00:20:40,499
Joel told me when he was
going through puberty,
286
00:20:40,523 --> 00:20:42,949
He first started to have
psychosexual fantasies.
287
00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:47,495
There was an alfred hitchcock
movie called "frenzy."
288
00:20:49,249 --> 00:20:53,220
Joel remembers being
sexually fascinated
289
00:20:53,244 --> 00:20:55,639
With this scene
290
00:20:55,663 --> 00:20:58,422
Where a woman
gets strangled with a tie.
291
00:21:26,068 --> 00:21:27,879
Fantasies are not a blueprint.
292
00:21:27,903 --> 00:21:31,425
They don't determine your life
unless they do.
293
00:21:31,449 --> 00:21:33,844
In his particular case,
294
00:21:33,868 --> 00:21:37,431
His preoccupation
with strangulation
295
00:21:37,455 --> 00:21:40,298
Did determine his life
and his fate and his destiny.
296
00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:44,688
He was masturbating to thoughts
297
00:21:44,712 --> 00:21:46,398
Of having sex with women
298
00:21:46,422 --> 00:21:50,286
And ultimately killing them,
299
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:54,290
But he could just push it down
at that point in his life.
300
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,907
He wanted to date.
301
00:21:55,931 --> 00:21:58,961
He just wasn't terribly
successful with women.
302
00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:02,956
Prostitutes not only provide
that kind of sexual release,
303
00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:04,875
But there's this illusion
304
00:22:04,899 --> 00:22:06,793
Of going out on a date
with someone
305
00:22:06,817 --> 00:22:08,743
Or making this connection.
306
00:22:46,774 --> 00:22:52,745
♪ ♪
307
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,441
To his credit, joel's father
never gave up on him,
308
00:23:11,465 --> 00:23:13,702
And he offered to send joel,
309
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,363
Who by then was in his late 20s,
310
00:23:16,387 --> 00:23:18,865
Back to college,
and if he got two as,
311
00:23:18,889 --> 00:23:21,118
He would pay for a curriculum.
312
00:23:21,142 --> 00:23:24,713
He took a biology class
and a botany class,
313
00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,706
Which ultimately led to him
314
00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:29,198
Starting his own
landscaping business.
315
00:23:43,873 --> 00:23:45,308
Joel felt that he was just
316
00:23:45,332 --> 00:23:47,352
Gonna disappoint him
one more time,
317
00:23:47,376 --> 00:23:49,738
But he got the two as.
318
00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:53,692
Joel excitedly
went to the hospital
319
00:23:53,716 --> 00:23:56,987
And thought his father
would be very proud of him,
320
00:23:57,011 --> 00:23:59,061
But his father
never got the news.
321
00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:19,935
His father's death really
kind of blew the doors
322
00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,126
Off of joel's emotional state.
323
00:24:23,954 --> 00:24:26,766
The desire to please
his father kind of always been
324
00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:29,728
At the core
of his emotional life,
325
00:24:29,752 --> 00:24:32,794
But with his father gone,
that burden lifted.
326
00:24:35,132 --> 00:24:38,287
His mother was preoccupied
with her life
327
00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:41,698
As she was getting older.
It gave him the freedom to act
328
00:24:41,722 --> 00:24:44,431
On his worst impulses
and fantasies.
329
00:24:48,479 --> 00:24:50,029
He lived for the nighttime.
330
00:24:52,816 --> 00:24:55,971
Driving through manhattan,
through queens,
331
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,996
And he would frequent
all of the strolls.
332
00:25:26,475 --> 00:25:28,161
It became an addiction.
333
00:25:28,185 --> 00:25:32,007
Joel, who really was in charge
of nothing in his real life,
334
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,511
Between his father
and the bullying,
335
00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:39,464
He felt while he was
having sex with prostitutes,
336
00:25:39,488 --> 00:25:40,955
He was in charge.
337
00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:04,990
He did hate himself
and the addiction,
338
00:26:05,014 --> 00:26:07,492
But when he met these women,
he projected...
339
00:26:07,516 --> 00:26:10,870
He took all that bad feeling
about himself
340
00:26:10,894 --> 00:26:12,831
And gave it to them.
341
00:26:12,855 --> 00:26:15,375
He could look at them as lower
and look at them
342
00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:18,826
As somebody you don't respect
and you don't have esteem for.
343
00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:22,507
When I would talk to my folks,
344
00:26:22,531 --> 00:26:24,175
Invariably my parents would say,
345
00:26:24,199 --> 00:26:27,563
"well, joel doesn't seem
to be holding a job.
346
00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:29,139
"We're afraid
that he's going to cause jean
347
00:26:29,163 --> 00:26:30,807
To be out on the street,"
348
00:26:30,831 --> 00:26:35,061
So my parents hired him
to, like, trim the trees.
349
00:26:35,085 --> 00:26:36,844
He clearly had
a different agenda.
350
00:26:37,713 --> 00:26:40,191
He's riding around all night
looking for girls,
351
00:26:40,215 --> 00:26:43,486
So how is he gonna have energy
to cut the trees?
352
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:46,437
In the end, we would see
his tools out in the rain.
353
00:27:03,697 --> 00:27:08,770
In early 1989, about 2 years
after his father's suicide,
354
00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,555
Joel decided to make
355
00:27:10,579 --> 00:27:12,880
His murderous fantasies
a reality.
356
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,911
Joel saw a woman named susie
who he had been with before
357
00:27:32,935 --> 00:27:35,455
On the lower east side.
358
00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:37,154
In his mind, he's gonna go
on a date with her.
359
00:27:40,317 --> 00:27:43,138
She agrees to go with joel
30 miles or so
360
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,799
To the long island home
361
00:27:45,823 --> 00:27:48,977
That he shares with his mother,
362
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:51,805
Where he can spend more time
363
00:27:51,829 --> 00:27:54,421
Than just a usual encounter
on the street.
364
00:27:54,998 --> 00:27:56,256
His mother was away.
365
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,397
They wind up having sex
on the couch.
366
00:28:00,421 --> 00:28:02,429
She falls asleep.
367
00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:07,237
He's annoyed that she's not
paying him more attention.
368
00:28:07,261 --> 00:28:10,281
At some point, she wakes up.
She immediately wants drugs.
369
00:28:10,305 --> 00:28:14,285
Joel, at this point,
is exasperated with her,
370
00:28:14,309 --> 00:28:17,778
And he impulsively just starts
hitting her on the head.
371
00:28:56,852 --> 00:28:58,955
As a cop,
sometimes you can sense
372
00:28:58,979 --> 00:29:00,716
That people are relishing
373
00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:04,294
Telling you about their antics,
374
00:29:04,318 --> 00:29:06,463
But joel was so unemotional
about this
375
00:29:06,487 --> 00:29:07,714
And so matter of fact.
376
00:29:07,738 --> 00:29:10,008
There was
this complete disconnect
377
00:29:10,032 --> 00:29:11,331
From reality.
378
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,355
I didn't want him to think
anything he was telling me
379
00:29:24,379 --> 00:29:26,357
Shocked me,
380
00:29:26,381 --> 00:29:30,392
So I was trying to maintain
my own sort of monotone.
381
00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,545
He was so dispassionate
about it.
382
00:29:47,569 --> 00:29:49,214
Didn't seem to faze him
in the least.
383
00:29:49,238 --> 00:29:51,433
He didn't seem to be getting
any pleasure
384
00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:53,101
From telling me this,
385
00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,427
And he didn't seem to mind
386
00:29:54,451 --> 00:29:55,709
What my opinion would be of him.
387
00:30:18,267 --> 00:30:22,130
He threw some of her body parts
388
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:24,207
Into one of the rivers
in manhattan,
389
00:30:24,231 --> 00:30:26,417
And he took the head,
390
00:30:26,441 --> 00:30:29,993
And he discarded that
in new jersey at a golf course.
391
00:30:31,947 --> 00:30:34,551
The first kill
is always significant.
392
00:30:34,575 --> 00:30:36,478
Being comfortable
with murdering someone
393
00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:39,722
Is a massive psychological leap,
394
00:30:39,746 --> 00:30:42,600
And now you've crossed
that rubicon
395
00:30:42,624 --> 00:30:44,958
From fantasy to reality.
396
00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:48,314
There was nothing
to hold him back.
397
00:30:48,338 --> 00:30:50,900
♪ ♪
398
00:30:50,924 --> 00:30:54,496
A golfer was at the the
hopewell valley country club.
399
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,833
He had hooked his ball
into the woods
400
00:30:57,857 --> 00:30:59,815
And discovered a human head.
401
00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:02,996
Joel is convinced at that point
402
00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:04,111
That he was gonna get caught.
403
00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:23,308
After joel rifkin committed
this first murder
404
00:31:23,332 --> 00:31:25,435
And disposed of the body,
405
00:31:25,459 --> 00:31:28,104
The head of this victim,
406
00:31:28,128 --> 00:31:32,942
Poor susie,
was found pretty quickly.
407
00:31:32,966 --> 00:31:35,653
It was a cold, overcast day.
408
00:31:35,677 --> 00:31:40,825
It was shortly
after a major rainstorm.
409
00:31:40,849 --> 00:31:43,286
A golfer was at the
hopewell valley country club.
410
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:46,882
He was on the seventh hole.
411
00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:50,293
He had hooked his ball
into the woods.
412
00:31:50,317 --> 00:31:54,394
He went into retrieve his ball
and discovered a human head.
413
00:31:57,366 --> 00:31:59,844
I arrived in the golf course.
414
00:31:59,868 --> 00:32:02,513
It drops down
maybe 10 to 15 feet
415
00:32:02,537 --> 00:32:06,351
To, like, a small creek,
416
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:09,509
And there
you can see a severed head.
417
00:32:10,212 --> 00:32:11,907
New york at that time,
in the '80s,
418
00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:15,243
Had a tremendous amount of
unidentified deceased persons,
419
00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,320
But it was quite the shock
because we've only had
420
00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:20,395
A few homicides in hopewell
over the last 3 or 4 decades.
421
00:32:21,598 --> 00:32:23,159
All the teeth were removed,
422
00:32:23,183 --> 00:32:24,691
With the exception
of four teeth.
423
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,872
The jaw was pretty much gone.
424
00:32:27,896 --> 00:32:29,707
It was clearly a female
425
00:32:29,731 --> 00:32:32,032
By the hair and the eyes
and the facial features.
426
00:32:33,568 --> 00:32:35,546
We did an intensive search
of the area.
427
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,600
We were hoping to find
additional body parts
428
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:42,542
Or some physical evidence.
We found nothing.
429
00:32:43,412 --> 00:32:45,348
We really had
no other evidence to go on
430
00:32:45,372 --> 00:32:47,442
Other than the physical head.
431
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,893
Not having a name means
432
00:32:48,917 --> 00:32:50,895
We can't even pursue
dental records.
433
00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:52,355
It then became a question
434
00:32:52,379 --> 00:32:54,565
On whether the homicide
occurred in hopewell,
435
00:32:54,589 --> 00:32:56,807
Or was just this
an alternate crime scene?
436
00:32:59,428 --> 00:33:03,366
Not long after dumping,
susie's head was discovered,
437
00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:05,899
And joel heard a report
about this on the radio.
438
00:33:07,394 --> 00:33:08,913
He remembers thinking,
439
00:33:08,937 --> 00:33:10,289
"I went through
all these efforts,"
440
00:33:10,313 --> 00:33:14,085
To cut the body up into
as many parts as he could
441
00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:18,412
And discard them in different
places to stay invisible.
442
00:33:19,239 --> 00:33:21,623
He was convinced at that point
that he was gonna get caught.
443
00:33:44,931 --> 00:33:47,618
About a month after we found
the severed head,
444
00:33:47,642 --> 00:33:50,079
We received a call
from jefferson township
445
00:33:50,103 --> 00:33:52,790
In morris county, new jersey.
446
00:33:52,814 --> 00:33:54,584
It was opening day
of trout season.
447
00:33:54,608 --> 00:33:58,680
That's when fishermen
found two legs in a creek
448
00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:02,467
Right off of an interstate.
They looked like female legs.
449
00:34:02,491 --> 00:34:05,136
Dna was taken from her head
and the legs,
450
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,023
And they were confirmed
to be a match.
451
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:11,048
But still, we were unable
to identify her.
452
00:34:35,023 --> 00:34:37,218
The guys that commit
serial murders... you know,
453
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,170
They're essentially
living in their heads.
454
00:34:39,194 --> 00:34:44,509
For a moment, you are god
because you have the ability
455
00:34:44,533 --> 00:34:46,041
To let someone live or die.
456
00:34:56,336 --> 00:34:58,907
Even when you let someone
live and don't kill them
457
00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,651
But thought about it,
there's a high there, too.
458
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:03,820
You made a godlike decision.
459
00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:06,989
You knew, having killed
other people,
460
00:35:07,013 --> 00:35:08,605
That you could've
easily killed that person.
461
00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:12,829
One thing that joel was able
to appreciate
462
00:35:12,853 --> 00:35:15,665
After susie's head was found
463
00:35:15,689 --> 00:35:20,878
Was the fact
that she was never identified,
464
00:35:20,902 --> 00:35:24,037
So his efforts at concealment
actually worked.
465
00:35:25,907 --> 00:35:28,344
He experienced with this murder
466
00:35:28,368 --> 00:35:29,887
The greatest success
of his life.
467
00:35:29,911 --> 00:35:32,723
He fulfilled lifelong fantasy.
468
00:35:32,747 --> 00:35:34,517
He did it.
He got away with it.
469
00:35:34,541 --> 00:35:36,611
He got pleasure from it.
470
00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:40,262
It was a thunderous success
in his mind.
471
00:35:42,549 --> 00:35:44,786
Those desires were reactivated.
472
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,893
It's time
to go out and try this again.
473
00:36:10,118 --> 00:36:13,097
He did not strike again
until the fall of 1990.
474
00:36:13,121 --> 00:36:14,432
Like victim number one,
475
00:36:14,456 --> 00:36:16,089
She's picked up
on the lower east side.
476
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:23,107
They have sex
in his childhood bed,
477
00:36:23,131 --> 00:36:25,902
And in the morning,
she promises more sex
478
00:36:25,926 --> 00:36:27,111
For more drugs,
479
00:36:27,135 --> 00:36:29,614
But he's unable
to get her money.
480
00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:33,284
She's complaining,
and impulsively,
481
00:36:33,308 --> 00:36:35,170
He picks up a table leg
482
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:38,414
That's laying around the house,
483
00:36:38,438 --> 00:36:40,499
And he just starts
bashing her over the head
484
00:36:40,523 --> 00:36:42,157
With the table leg.
485
00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:48,183
This time, he used
a little different mo.
486
00:36:48,207 --> 00:36:51,499
He went out
and bought cement and tarps.
487
00:37:02,837 --> 00:37:05,483
He threw the concrete
into a river,
488
00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:08,361
Which we know sinks
to the bottom,
489
00:37:08,385 --> 00:37:10,310
Never to be found.
490
00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:14,492
That was probably because he
was determined never to repeat
491
00:37:14,516 --> 00:37:16,327
What he thought was
the big mistake
492
00:37:16,351 --> 00:37:18,621
Of his first murder.
493
00:37:18,645 --> 00:37:22,822
He was improving
his technique, so to speak.
494
00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:27,713
He was able to once again
get away with that one,
495
00:37:27,737 --> 00:37:30,341
And after one more victim,
496
00:37:30,365 --> 00:37:36,973
Starts what he describes
as his acceleration period,
497
00:37:36,997 --> 00:37:40,726
Where, in the space of, like,
1 or 1 1/2 months,
498
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:43,918
He kills four women
in rapid succession.
499
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,935
Joel's desire and ability
to be invisible,
500
00:38:13,959 --> 00:38:17,388
Developed so successfully
at a young age,
501
00:38:17,412 --> 00:38:21,589
Contributed greatly
to his murderous life.
502
00:38:22,417 --> 00:38:25,563
The way he looked, as well
as the way he acted
503
00:38:25,587 --> 00:38:28,116
And the ways he purposefully
projected himself
504
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,735
Made him
look completely harmless
505
00:38:30,759 --> 00:38:32,695
To the women
that got into his car.
506
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,905
♪ ♪
507
00:38:34,929 --> 00:38:36,699
He looked like he could blend in
508
00:38:36,723 --> 00:38:39,035
In any crowd.
509
00:38:39,059 --> 00:38:42,747
The police that he encountered
never would've taken him
510
00:38:42,771 --> 00:38:44,738
For being a danger to anybody.
511
00:38:45,482 --> 00:38:47,084
And since he was able
to get away with killing
512
00:38:47,108 --> 00:38:50,087
His first couple victims,
rifkin was very confident.
513
00:38:50,111 --> 00:38:52,798
If joel rifkin was
feeling emboldened,
514
00:38:52,822 --> 00:38:54,289
Would this lead to his arrest?
515
00:39:12,467 --> 00:39:16,664
Joel rifkin had a right
to feel confident
516
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,273
Of his first murders.
517
00:39:21,017 --> 00:39:26,841
Only the first murder of susie
was a body part found,
518
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:30,753
But even after
they found this head,
519
00:39:30,777 --> 00:39:33,681
It was impossible
for them to identify it.
520
00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:36,133
We contacted frank bender
in philadelphia,
521
00:39:36,157 --> 00:39:39,020
A well-known reconstruction
individual in law enforcement,
522
00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:42,807
Contracted him to do
a reconstruction of the head.
523
00:39:42,831 --> 00:39:44,683
We knew she was a white female,
524
00:39:44,707 --> 00:39:46,769
Probably in her late teens
525
00:39:46,793 --> 00:39:49,052
Or early 20s,
up to 30 years old.
526
00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,608
She had a mole on her left chin.
527
00:39:52,632 --> 00:39:55,820
She had an old scar
over her left eye.
528
00:39:55,844 --> 00:39:58,197
They did a full rendition
of what they believed
529
00:39:58,221 --> 00:39:59,540
This person
would've looked like.
530
00:39:59,564 --> 00:40:00,950
The head was completely intact.
531
00:40:00,974 --> 00:40:07,039
♪ ♪
532
00:40:07,063 --> 00:40:09,333
- It was put on the news.
- It was put in the newspaper.
533
00:40:09,357 --> 00:40:11,190
It was sent to law enforcement.
534
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:15,723
They received thousands
of missing-persons leads,
535
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,550
And none of them panned out.
536
00:40:17,574 --> 00:40:19,885
It was just kept
as a cold case, unidentified.
537
00:40:19,909 --> 00:40:22,085
The person who did it
was still out there.
538
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:28,018
Initially, joel perpetrated
these crimes at home.
539
00:40:28,042 --> 00:40:32,898
He felt comfortable there
when his mother would go away,
540
00:40:32,922 --> 00:40:36,891
But in 1991, he seems ready
to get out of his comfort zone.
541
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,909
He kills in a public place,
542
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:47,079
A local motel on long island.
543
00:40:47,103 --> 00:40:49,446
The next murders
are all committed in his car.
544
00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,201
Joel had learned
to be invisible at a young age.
545
00:40:56,571 --> 00:40:58,766
Because of this, he just got
better at killing, you know?
546
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,707
He was really a killing machine.
547
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,412
Victim number six
he killed in his car
548
00:41:28,436 --> 00:41:31,040
And then drove
to an industrial area
549
00:41:31,064 --> 00:41:33,281
Up around northern manhattan.
550
00:41:33,942 --> 00:41:36,212
He drives off the road
a little bit,
551
00:41:36,236 --> 00:41:38,881
Treks through
a little wooded area,
552
00:41:38,905 --> 00:41:41,258
Dumps the body into a waterway,
553
00:41:41,282 --> 00:41:43,658
And when he's walking
back to his car...
554
00:41:45,453 --> 00:41:48,641
He sees cops coming towards him.
555
00:41:48,665 --> 00:41:51,591
He hears their radios.
He sees the flashlight.
556
00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:56,157
He summoned up
from his long background
557
00:41:56,181 --> 00:41:58,826
Of knowing how to avoid conflict
558
00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,017
A clever, clever lie.
559
00:42:02,136 --> 00:42:04,240
He immediately picks up
something from the ground,
560
00:42:04,264 --> 00:42:06,992
An auto part,
and before the cops
561
00:42:07,016 --> 00:42:08,669
Have an opportunity
to say anything,
562
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,829
He says,
"I'm not auto-stripping.
563
00:42:10,853 --> 00:42:12,237
I'm just scavenging."
564
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:16,177
Rifkin stayed really cool
and really calm.
565
00:42:16,201 --> 00:42:17,962
He had his wits about him
566
00:42:17,986 --> 00:42:21,423
And could literally be dumping
a victim into the river
567
00:42:21,447 --> 00:42:23,373
And simply talk his way out.
568
00:42:24,492 --> 00:42:28,689
That reflects the psychopathic
dimensions of who he was.
569
00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:31,308
The average person
would most likely flip out.
570
00:42:31,332 --> 00:42:34,144
The police gave him a warning,
571
00:42:34,168 --> 00:42:37,031
So he was able to get away
with that one
572
00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:40,868
And dodge that bullet.
573
00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:45,531
Victim number six to this day
has not been identified.
574
00:42:45,555 --> 00:42:47,366
Had those cops maybe looked
a little further,
575
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:49,377
They would've found that body,
576
00:42:49,401 --> 00:42:51,379
And things would've
turned out different
577
00:42:51,403 --> 00:42:53,789
For many of the women.
578
00:42:53,813 --> 00:42:56,884
Instead, joel felt
on top of the world.
579
00:42:56,908 --> 00:43:00,546
He outsmarted the police,
and that incident made him
580
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,058
Feel much more confident
of not getting caught.
581
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:08,220
Joel was very aware
not only of his ability
582
00:43:08,244 --> 00:43:11,056
To be unnoticed by others,
583
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,476
But also by the work
584
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:18,397
That he had put
into cultivating that ability,
585
00:43:18,421 --> 00:43:21,817
And he seems to relish
in that anonymity.
586
00:43:21,841 --> 00:43:28,032
♪ ♪
587
00:43:28,056 --> 00:43:33,162
His choice in women also
helped joel stay anonymous.
588
00:43:33,186 --> 00:43:37,091
Most of the women that he would
look at fell victim to drugs,
589
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,917
Like so many other people
in that era,
590
00:43:38,941 --> 00:43:40,950
And wound up on the streets.
591
00:43:41,527 --> 00:43:43,922
Quite often, nobody knows
their real names.
592
00:43:43,946 --> 00:43:45,924
They have no ties
to the community.
593
00:43:45,948 --> 00:43:47,885
They're easy targets.
594
00:43:47,909 --> 00:43:49,219
Quite a few of the victims
595
00:43:49,243 --> 00:43:51,930
Had not even
been reported missing.
596
00:43:51,954 --> 00:43:53,713
Lorraine orvieto was different.
597
00:43:55,708 --> 00:43:57,269
Lorraine was my first cousin.
598
00:43:57,293 --> 00:43:59,730
She went missing
when she was 28.
599
00:43:59,754 --> 00:44:01,440
Her family spent a lot of time,
600
00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,610
You know, trying to find her.
She was a missing person.
601
00:44:04,634 --> 00:44:08,289
My aunt wrote letters,
made a million phone calls
602
00:44:08,313 --> 00:44:13,077
To hospitals and morgues
all over long island,
603
00:44:13,101 --> 00:44:15,630
Looking at pictures,
even looking at a body,
604
00:44:15,654 --> 00:44:19,133
And they came up with nothing.
605
00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:21,627
It was very surreal
606
00:44:21,651 --> 00:44:25,328
To just have a family member
completely disappear.
607
00:44:28,667 --> 00:44:30,969
Lorraine was like a sister
to me growing up.
608
00:44:30,993 --> 00:44:33,920
She was always very loving,
very generous.
609
00:44:34,747 --> 00:44:38,049
She just had so much vigor,
so much life.
610
00:44:39,844 --> 00:44:41,647
She wanted to be an accountant.
611
00:44:41,671 --> 00:44:44,472
I think she knew very clearly
what she wanted in her life.
612
00:44:45,007 --> 00:44:47,266
Unfortunately,
some things got in the way.
613
00:44:47,802 --> 00:44:50,656
I remember lorraine's
frustration at struggling
614
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,741
To pass the cpa exam.
615
00:44:52,765 --> 00:44:55,441
She tried twice, but she
couldn't pass this test.
616
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:59,195
She was really deflated.
617
00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:05,504
At the same point, she had been
admitted to the hospital.
618
00:45:05,528 --> 00:45:08,799
Lorraine needed a blood
transfusion for a surgery.
619
00:45:08,823 --> 00:45:11,009
She had to remove
a very large fibroid,
620
00:45:11,033 --> 00:45:15,356
And they had just started
checking the blood in 1985,
621
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:17,525
When she had her transfusion.
622
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:20,695
She did develop hiv,
623
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,094
Which eventually became
full-blown aids.
624
00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:26,692
I remember going to the hospital
625
00:45:26,716 --> 00:45:28,110
To visit lorraine.
626
00:45:28,134 --> 00:45:32,039
She became too unstable
to keep it together,
627
00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:35,042
And that just led
to shady characters and drugs
628
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,899
And eventually going missing.
629
00:45:41,564 --> 00:45:44,051
Joel meets lorraine orvieto,
630
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,886
Picks her up in bay shore,
long island,
631
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,161
A once-affluent town.
632
00:46:17,058 --> 00:46:21,079
With lorraine orvieto,
it was a circumstantial thing.
633
00:46:21,103 --> 00:46:24,082
He solicited this girl,
634
00:46:24,106 --> 00:46:27,711
And in the process
of receiving sex from her,
635
00:46:27,735 --> 00:46:30,714
He did what he was already
in the habit of doing.
636
00:46:30,738 --> 00:46:32,841
It's just habitual.
637
00:46:32,865 --> 00:46:36,929
After taking her life,
he used a different mo.
638
00:46:36,953 --> 00:46:41,391
Lorraine orvieto is the first
of several victims
639
00:46:41,415 --> 00:46:44,383
That he places
in a 50-gallon drum.
640
00:46:51,634 --> 00:46:54,455
And that led to a very long year
641
00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:57,063
Of having no idea
what happened to her.
642
00:47:03,437 --> 00:47:06,792
You have to wonder if joel
ever took
643
00:47:06,816 --> 00:47:08,794
The lives of his victims
644
00:47:08,818 --> 00:47:11,077
Or their loved ones
into consideration.
645
00:47:12,154 --> 00:47:15,217
Even though lorraine orvieto
was reported missing,
646
00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:17,978
Her body was not
immediately discovered,
647
00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:21,265
So joel became so confident
648
00:47:21,289 --> 00:47:23,725
That he started to get
649
00:47:23,749 --> 00:47:25,820
These feelings of invincibility
650
00:47:25,844 --> 00:47:30,429
That he couldn't be caught.
Will anyone ever take notice?
651
00:47:47,523 --> 00:47:50,919
Lorraine orvieto was
joel rifkin's seventh victim.
652
00:47:50,943 --> 00:47:53,964
About 7 months later,
her body was discovered,
653
00:47:53,988 --> 00:47:57,039
But at that time,
it was never identified.
654
00:47:57,992 --> 00:48:01,856
Joel was emboldened by the fact
655
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,213
That he had gotten away
with this for this long.
656
00:48:06,334 --> 00:48:08,028
Joel was getting
a little more careless.
657
00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:10,939
He picks up iris sanchez
658
00:48:10,963 --> 00:48:13,609
On the lower east side
during the day,
659
00:48:13,633 --> 00:48:17,863
Which was unusual for joel
up until this point,
660
00:48:17,887 --> 00:48:20,198
Strangles her during sex.
661
00:48:20,222 --> 00:48:22,042
After he killed her,
662
00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:24,567
He drove her
out near kennedy airport.
663
00:48:41,535 --> 00:48:43,230
He picked this woman up
during the day.
664
00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:45,065
He killed her during the day,
665
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:47,893
And he dumped
her body carelessly
666
00:48:47,917 --> 00:48:49,926
Under a mattress during the day.
667
00:48:51,545 --> 00:48:54,691
I asked if there was
any specific trigger
668
00:48:54,715 --> 00:48:58,913
As to why the ones
that were killed were,
669
00:48:58,937 --> 00:49:01,749
And he said it was
the ripe opportunity
670
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:04,159
Where there was very little
chance of getting caught,
671
00:49:04,183 --> 00:49:06,517
But that didn't seem
to matter anymore.
672
00:49:09,563 --> 00:49:12,426
He killed her and just wanted
to get rid of the body
673
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,659
And did so
in the most expeditious manner.
674
00:49:19,865 --> 00:49:24,054
This just fed,
added to his sense of power,
675
00:49:24,078 --> 00:49:26,390
Potency, success,
676
00:49:26,414 --> 00:49:29,726
And the amazing thing was,
as brazen as he was getting,
677
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:31,520
This was completely
under the radar.
678
00:49:31,544 --> 00:49:33,052
No one knew.
679
00:49:42,888 --> 00:49:44,625
In the early '90s,
I wasn't living
680
00:49:44,649 --> 00:49:46,627
At my parents' house anymore,
681
00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:49,871
But I was visiting them,
you know, all the time,
682
00:49:49,895 --> 00:49:51,707
And I'd see joel outside
and be like,
683
00:49:51,731 --> 00:49:54,418
"hey, man. How's it going?
What are you up to?"
684
00:49:54,442 --> 00:49:56,650
I had no idea what was going on.
685
00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:02,309
At this point, I was already
with my band,
686
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:03,719
The new york ska-jazz ensemble.
687
00:50:03,743 --> 00:50:05,053
I had, like, a local gig.
688
00:50:05,077 --> 00:50:07,556
I was walking with my horn
689
00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:11,485
Just somewhere down
in the village near the club,
690
00:50:11,509 --> 00:50:14,822
And I see joel in a car.
691
00:50:14,846 --> 00:50:18,650
Oh, there's a girl with him,
so in my mind, I'm thinking,
692
00:50:18,674 --> 00:50:20,610
"haven't really seen him
with too many girls."
693
00:50:20,634 --> 00:50:22,904
I'm not going to interrupt,
and I'm just going to be like,
694
00:50:22,928 --> 00:50:24,781
You know, "hey, bro.
How you doing?
695
00:50:24,805 --> 00:50:28,357
Oh, yeah. Just did a show.
All right. See you soon."
696
00:50:30,603 --> 00:50:33,173
After it all went down,
it occurred to me
697
00:50:33,197 --> 00:50:34,958
That the woman I saw in the car
698
00:50:34,982 --> 00:50:37,002
Might have be one of
those women he strangled.
699
00:50:37,026 --> 00:50:39,118
That's a tough one
to wrap your head around.
700
00:50:56,712 --> 00:50:59,700
On the one hand, joel rifkin
despised these women
701
00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:01,651
Because they represented to him
702
00:51:01,675 --> 00:51:03,987
Exactly what he thought
about himself,
703
00:51:04,011 --> 00:51:08,658
But I think a guy
that's not successful socially
704
00:51:08,682 --> 00:51:12,546
Is very responsive
to somebody who's nice to him,
705
00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:16,216
So it was a very unique
experience to him,
706
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,700
And he would form
little micro relationships.
707
00:51:33,499 --> 00:51:40,074
♪ ♪
708
00:51:40,098 --> 00:51:44,069
I played quarterback
for myers park high school.
709
00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:46,863
Catherine was the head
cheerleader on the squad
710
00:51:46,887 --> 00:51:49,157
That was our cross-town rivals,
711
00:51:49,181 --> 00:51:50,992
So we had the quarterback
of one high school
712
00:51:51,016 --> 00:51:53,370
Dating the cheerleader
of the cross-town rival,
713
00:51:53,394 --> 00:51:55,997
So it kind of bred
a little bit of notoriety
714
00:51:56,021 --> 00:51:57,749
For us as a couple.
715
00:51:57,773 --> 00:52:00,491
Her family was well off.
Her father was a dentist.
716
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,549
Catherine had this tremendous,
charismatic energy about her
717
00:52:05,573 --> 00:52:07,039
And a tremendous confidence.
718
00:52:21,922 --> 00:52:24,192
Catherine broke up with me
in high school,
719
00:52:24,216 --> 00:52:26,611
So I would see her
on national television.
720
00:52:26,635 --> 00:52:29,979
Catherine was sort of the top
of the pyramid type of girl.
721
00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:33,910
I heard through the grapevine,
through some friends,
722
00:52:33,934 --> 00:52:35,203
That she moved to new york...
723
00:52:35,227 --> 00:52:38,028
And completely lost touch
with catherine.
724
00:52:39,148 --> 00:52:41,969
And then I met her again.
725
00:52:41,993 --> 00:52:43,742
I went to the methodist church.
726
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,140
I looked up there,
727
00:52:46,164 --> 00:52:49,540
And there she stood,
catherine williams.
728
00:52:51,118 --> 00:52:53,555
When everyone was quiet,
she just turned around.
729
00:52:53,579 --> 00:52:55,421
She looked right at me.
Bang.
730
00:52:56,174 --> 00:52:58,318
I knew at that moment
that I was going to marry her.
731
00:52:58,342 --> 00:52:59,842
I knew it.
I knew it. I knew it.
732
00:53:02,588 --> 00:53:05,233
At that moment,
she knew it too, and she goes,
733
00:53:05,257 --> 00:53:08,829
"well, I know of a justice
of the peace down the road.
734
00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,060
Let's go tomorrow."
735
00:53:11,355 --> 00:53:15,107
We got married
without anybody knowing.
736
00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:24,845
We began to have parties
that were filled with drugs,
737
00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,702
Dangerous parties.
738
00:53:27,363 --> 00:53:30,080
I can't imagine, in the 1980s,
you hadn't done any cocaine.
739
00:53:32,201 --> 00:53:36,014
Very quickly, that just spun
way out of control.
740
00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:38,266
It got really frightening,
741
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:40,602
And I just said,
"we're gonna die.
742
00:53:40,626 --> 00:53:42,020
"You need to go back home
to your family,
743
00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:44,053
And I need to go back
to my family."
744
00:53:47,174 --> 00:53:48,869
She finally decided
745
00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:50,704
That she wanted
to go back to new york.
746
00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,864
She had a support system
up there,
747
00:53:52,888 --> 00:53:55,325
And so I put her on a plane.
She, you know, took off.
748
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:56,868
That was the period of time
749
00:53:56,892 --> 00:53:58,484
Where we just both kind of let
the dust settle.
750
00:54:03,482 --> 00:54:05,385
But I was still married
to catherine.
751
00:54:05,409 --> 00:54:07,170
I was in love with catherine.
752
00:54:07,194 --> 00:54:09,389
After several months, she said,
753
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:11,508
"well, I'm coming back
to get you.
754
00:54:11,532 --> 00:54:13,176
Don't move.
I'm coming."
755
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,896
So three days, nothing.
756
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,879
Five days, nothing.
Seven days, nothing.
757
00:54:21,592 --> 00:54:24,354
The incident
with catherine williams
758
00:54:24,378 --> 00:54:27,074
I thought was
particularly curious
759
00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,401
Because joel had said
760
00:54:29,425 --> 00:54:32,309
That he had been with her
numerous times in the past.
761
00:54:46,608 --> 00:54:50,046
Catherine was known for
walking around with a suitcase
762
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:53,258
In which she carried
so many of her possessions,
763
00:54:53,282 --> 00:54:56,333
Including pictures
of her football player husband.
764
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,613
As a cheerleader
and a homecoming queen,
765
00:55:15,637 --> 00:55:20,744
Mary catherine was the symbol
and the reality of the girl
766
00:55:20,768 --> 00:55:22,704
Not only
that he could never get,
767
00:55:22,728 --> 00:55:26,249
But the girl
who chose the bullies,
768
00:55:26,273 --> 00:55:30,587
So she was a symbol
of everything that he hated,
769
00:55:30,611 --> 00:55:32,411
That he was envious of.
770
00:55:32,988 --> 00:55:36,760
The fact that she was married
to a standout football player,
771
00:55:36,784 --> 00:55:38,261
She might have mentioned
772
00:55:38,285 --> 00:55:40,055
That she was getting
the money to go back
773
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,130
And bring him to new york.
That could've set joel off.
774
00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:47,154
When she was in that car
with him
775
00:55:47,178 --> 00:55:52,159
Was the very time frame
I was waiting for her to come,
776
00:55:52,183 --> 00:55:55,184
And that was the moment
that she died.
777
00:55:56,136 --> 00:55:58,312
Rifkin continued killing,
and he got away with it.
778
00:56:17,116 --> 00:56:21,460
Mary catherine was rifkin's
13th victim.
779
00:56:21,995 --> 00:56:24,974
Joel was quite confident that
she would never be discovered
780
00:56:24,998 --> 00:56:27,361
Because he had been
successful before.
781
00:56:27,385 --> 00:56:32,148
Other bodies were found
but never identified,
782
00:56:32,172 --> 00:56:34,306
And no one was looking
for joel rifkin.
783
00:56:36,468 --> 00:56:38,538
We just didn't have
the technology we have now.
784
00:56:38,562 --> 00:56:40,782
Law enforcement
is much more efficient now.
785
00:56:40,806 --> 00:56:44,285
Rifkin was so clever
in where he picked them up,
786
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:47,330
How he picked them up,
and where he killed them
787
00:56:47,354 --> 00:56:49,666
And how he disposed of them
that it was
788
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:52,293
Virtually impossible
for law enforcement
789
00:56:52,317 --> 00:56:54,671
To put this together.
790
00:56:54,695 --> 00:56:56,131
He's dumping these bodies
791
00:56:56,155 --> 00:56:58,664
In nine or ten
different jurisdictions.
792
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,511
There was absolutely
no reason why joel rifkin
793
00:57:01,535 --> 00:57:03,638
Should've been
on any of our radar,
794
00:57:03,662 --> 00:57:06,975
But leah evans stands out
because she exemplifies
795
00:57:06,999 --> 00:57:10,175
Just how brazen
and careless joel was getting.
796
00:57:12,087 --> 00:57:16,693
Leah was sweet to the point
of really not having
797
00:57:16,717 --> 00:57:19,237
A malignant bone in her body.
798
00:57:19,261 --> 00:57:21,990
Leah evans went
to sarah lawrence college
799
00:57:22,014 --> 00:57:25,252
And seemed to be on track,
at least after college,
800
00:57:25,276 --> 00:57:26,870
To having a very bright future.
801
00:57:26,894 --> 00:57:30,081
It was a very distinctly
privileged school,
802
00:57:30,105 --> 00:57:33,251
And leah didn't come
from that kind of wealth,
803
00:57:33,275 --> 00:57:34,928
So she felt, I think,
804
00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,035
Somewhat alienated
from the culture there.
805
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:42,552
Leah's drug use started
during her college years.
806
00:57:42,576 --> 00:57:43,887
It was the '80s.
807
00:57:43,911 --> 00:57:46,055
There were drugs
kind of everywhere,
808
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,338
And that's when I discovered
leah really had a disease.
809
00:57:50,209 --> 00:57:53,521
She would be gone
for days on end.
810
00:57:53,545 --> 00:57:55,857
We all knew that
this addiction was spiraling.
811
00:57:55,881 --> 00:57:57,389
It was terrifying
to the people who loved her.
812
00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:08,578
♪ ♪
813
00:58:08,602 --> 00:58:10,079
I have a beautiful memory
of leah
814
00:58:10,103 --> 00:58:12,248
Arriving at my apartment.
815
00:58:12,272 --> 00:58:16,085
We were just 23, and she had
her beautiful son, julian,
816
00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:18,138
And she was so proud
817
00:58:18,162 --> 00:58:19,870
And asked me
to be his godmother.
818
00:58:21,281 --> 00:58:24,811
She just was not present
any more in her body.
819
00:58:24,835 --> 00:58:26,763
The ravages of heroin addiction
820
00:58:26,787 --> 00:58:29,057
Are really profound.
821
00:58:29,081 --> 00:58:32,101
She became homeless.
822
00:58:32,125 --> 00:58:33,967
No one ever saw her again.
823
00:58:59,987 --> 00:59:05,927
It is impossible for me
to digest the scene.
824
00:59:05,951 --> 00:59:07,637
In this case, leah said no.
825
00:59:07,661 --> 00:59:09,180
It seems to have triggered
something in him
826
00:59:09,204 --> 00:59:11,871
That made him feel
she should die.
827
00:59:14,876 --> 00:59:19,816
♪ ♪
828
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,486
Joel rifkin dug
a very shallow grave
829
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:25,310
Out in the eastern end
of long island.
830
00:59:47,492 --> 00:59:48,720
Some people who were out
looking, you know,
831
00:59:48,744 --> 00:59:50,471
For flowers or something,
832
00:59:50,495 --> 00:59:52,515
And they saw the hand
sticking up out of the ground,
833
00:59:52,539 --> 00:59:55,018
And that's how
that body was found.
834
00:59:55,042 --> 00:59:58,510
Soon thereafter, the body was
the first one to be identified.
835
01:00:13,685 --> 01:00:18,258
Leah's hand eerily sticking
out of the shallow grave
836
01:00:18,282 --> 01:00:21,210
Was extremely sloppy.
837
01:00:21,234 --> 01:00:25,715
His cloak of invisibility
was slipping.
838
01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:29,052
That's a very serious error
for somebody
839
01:00:29,076 --> 01:00:31,585
Who was so meticulous
to have committed.
840
01:01:31,805 --> 01:01:33,991
It was light out, and there
were going to be commuters,
841
01:01:34,015 --> 01:01:35,502
People going to work,
842
01:01:35,526 --> 01:01:37,954
Figuring, "I can't dispose
her body right here,"
843
01:01:37,978 --> 01:01:39,956
So he put newspapers
all over the body
844
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:41,841
So that if anybody
did look inside,
845
01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,615
They wouldn't see the body.
846
01:01:55,546 --> 01:01:56,806
So he wound up taking her
847
01:01:56,830 --> 01:01:59,434
Back to his house in long island
848
01:01:59,458 --> 01:02:01,425
Where he lived with his mom
and his sister.
849
01:02:04,337 --> 01:02:07,817
His mother greeted him angrily.
850
01:02:07,841 --> 01:02:09,527
She needed the car
because she had an errand
851
01:02:09,551 --> 01:02:11,988
She had to run right away.
852
01:02:12,012 --> 01:02:15,032
He doesn't panic, and he says,
"okay, mom,"
853
01:02:15,056 --> 01:02:17,377
Hands over the keys
to the mother,
854
01:02:17,401 --> 01:02:20,547
Who goes out and runs
her errand for an hour or so,
855
01:02:20,571 --> 01:02:25,168
And his mother brings the car
back unknowing
856
01:02:25,192 --> 01:02:27,503
That there's a body
in the trunk,
857
01:02:27,527 --> 01:02:31,391
At which point joel
moves the body into the garage,
858
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:35,667
Where it lays for a couple
of days in the stifling heat.
859
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:39,974
Rifkin then spent the rest
of the weekend with the body
860
01:02:39,998 --> 01:02:43,686
Decaying in his garage,
working on two trucks,
861
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:45,510
Changing an engine
from one into another.
862
01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:49,075
He doesn't move her out
until Sunday night
863
01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:50,985
Into Monday morning.
864
01:02:51,009 --> 01:02:53,154
It's, like, 96 hours where
he's held onto this victim,
865
01:02:53,178 --> 01:02:55,103
So the odor was overpowering.
866
01:02:55,889 --> 01:02:57,742
Rifkin waited
until it was nighttime.
867
01:02:57,766 --> 01:02:59,524
Nobody was watching.
868
01:03:01,853 --> 01:03:05,155
He took the body, put it
in one of the pickup trucks.
869
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,086
Rifkin then drove
on to the state parkway,
870
01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:11,703
Where the state police
try to pull rifkin over.
871
01:03:14,407 --> 01:03:17,042
Joel rifkin made
a fatal mistake.
872
01:03:17,744 --> 01:03:21,254
Instead of pulling over,
he accelerated.
873
01:03:21,957 --> 01:03:24,393
- He lost it.
- There was panic.
874
01:03:24,417 --> 01:03:26,635
He didn't behave rationally.
875
01:03:28,421 --> 01:03:32,193
There's no way that he could've
outrun the state trooper
876
01:03:32,217 --> 01:03:34,237
In a beat-up truck.
877
01:03:34,261 --> 01:03:37,771
Ultimately he was exposed,
became visible.
878
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,204
Joel rifkin had asked me
why he was being stopped,
879
01:03:43,228 --> 01:03:44,914
And I said,
880
01:03:44,938 --> 01:03:47,197
"because you didn't have
a license plate on your car."
881
01:03:47,991 --> 01:03:51,535
And he always responded,
"it's always a ¢25 part."
882
01:03:53,905 --> 01:03:55,550
If there was a license plate,
883
01:03:55,574 --> 01:03:57,811
Would there have been
another reason to stop him?
884
01:03:57,835 --> 01:03:59,209
I don't know.
885
01:04:15,594 --> 01:04:18,406
As he was being interviewed,
I was on the other side,
886
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:20,116
Listening to the discussion
887
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:24,287
With a nassau county
homicide detective,
888
01:04:24,311 --> 01:04:26,172
And he looks at me.
He's like, "hey, kid.
889
01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:28,113
Let me tell you something.
This guy has done this before."
890
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:33,012
Everyone in that room
was wondering,
891
01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:34,953
How many more victims
did this guy have?
892
01:04:36,698 --> 01:04:39,165
Then he asked for, you know,
a pen and a piece of paper.
893
01:04:41,369 --> 01:04:45,308
He wrote down the victims
in reverse chronological order
894
01:04:45,332 --> 01:04:47,215
Starting with 17.
895
01:04:48,335 --> 01:04:52,481
Went from a simple car stop
to a dead body
896
01:04:52,505 --> 01:04:55,682
To "what if there's more?"
to now there's 17.
897
01:04:59,638 --> 01:05:01,657
Rifkin's bedroom was
898
01:05:01,681 --> 01:05:03,200
A crime scene technician's
nightmare.
899
01:05:03,224 --> 01:05:04,702
Once we opened that door,
900
01:05:04,726 --> 01:05:06,495
We knew we found
the rosetta stone.
901
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,486
There was clothing, jewelry.
902
01:05:32,587 --> 01:05:34,899
Joel rifkin was caught
with a dead body
903
01:05:34,923 --> 01:05:37,360
In the back of his car.
904
01:05:37,384 --> 01:05:39,028
And then rifkin told the police
905
01:05:39,052 --> 01:05:41,227
About 16 other women
that he had killed.
906
01:05:43,348 --> 01:05:46,035
We wanted to prove what joel
was telling us was true.
907
01:05:46,059 --> 01:05:47,703
He told us
about the leah evans case,
908
01:05:47,727 --> 01:05:49,038
But that was also
in the newspaper,
909
01:05:49,062 --> 01:05:51,071
So he could've read that.
910
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:55,711
At which time
he starts giving details
911
01:05:55,735 --> 01:06:00,591
On all 17 of these homicides,
what they look like,
912
01:06:00,615 --> 01:06:04,709
What he did with the body,
just off the top of his head.
913
01:06:06,204 --> 01:06:07,682
There was a certain part
914
01:06:07,706 --> 01:06:10,351
Of his confession
that was bragging.
915
01:06:10,375 --> 01:06:13,521
You know, joel had been
picked on for years
916
01:06:13,545 --> 01:06:17,450
And not looked at as somebody
that had any talent,
917
01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:19,068
And I think
this was his opportunity
918
01:06:19,092 --> 01:06:21,070
To tell people that,
"you're wrong.
919
01:06:21,094 --> 01:06:22,738
"I'm really smart.
I'm capable,
920
01:06:22,762 --> 01:06:24,688
And look at what I did."
921
01:06:26,307 --> 01:06:30,913
The braggadocio sets in
and him saying,
922
01:06:30,937 --> 01:06:33,299
"I've fooled you
by my invisibility.
923
01:06:33,323 --> 01:06:36,302
"Now you caught me.
Want to see visibility?
924
01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:39,244
Want to see accountability?
Here it is."
925
01:06:39,904 --> 01:06:43,759
He gave such details
926
01:06:43,783 --> 01:06:47,221
That when the police
went to the scene,
927
01:06:47,245 --> 01:06:50,380
It was exactly how he said.
928
01:06:52,125 --> 01:06:53,561
We went out to kennedy airport,
929
01:06:53,585 --> 01:06:56,439
And we found the victim
that was under a mattress,
930
01:06:56,463 --> 01:06:58,274
So that was when
we pretty much believed
931
01:06:58,298 --> 01:06:59,347
Everything he said.
932
01:07:01,342 --> 01:07:03,279
And then I applied
for a search warrant
933
01:07:03,303 --> 01:07:06,062
From the judge to search
his house for evidence.
934
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,411
They were looking
for everything and anything
935
01:07:10,435 --> 01:07:16,250
They could find that would,
one, help identify the victims
936
01:07:16,274 --> 01:07:20,671
And anything else related
to these crimes.
937
01:07:20,695 --> 01:07:24,956
They had very little to show
for what he was admitting to.
938
01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:27,186
Rifkin's bedroom was
939
01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:28,763
A crime scene
technician's nightmare.
940
01:07:28,787 --> 01:07:30,306
Once we opened that door,
941
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:32,525
We knew we found
the rosetta stone.
942
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:35,311
It was almost like digging
for treasure.
943
01:07:35,335 --> 01:07:39,607
There was driver's license
of some of the victims.
944
01:07:39,631 --> 01:07:43,152
So now we had
pretty clear corroboration
945
01:07:43,176 --> 01:07:44,653
Once we matched those ids
946
01:07:44,677 --> 01:07:47,373
To the people
he claimed to have killed.
947
01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:49,658
There was clothing, jewelry.
948
01:07:49,682 --> 01:07:51,452
There was an earring
that we matched
949
01:07:51,476 --> 01:07:54,163
To a victim
from upstate new york
950
01:07:54,187 --> 01:07:56,049
That had already been recovered.
951
01:07:56,073 --> 01:07:59,627
There was also articles
on arthur shawcross,
952
01:07:59,651 --> 01:08:02,963
The serial killer from
rochester area of new york,
953
01:08:02,987 --> 01:08:05,841
And he had a book
on the green river killer,
954
01:08:05,865 --> 01:08:08,333
Almost how-to guides for him.
955
01:08:38,231 --> 01:08:41,094
All his life, joel rifkin
was a background guy,
956
01:08:41,118 --> 01:08:43,379
An invisible man.
957
01:08:43,403 --> 01:08:47,007
Deep down, I think he
actually did crave
958
01:08:47,031 --> 01:08:49,343
A certain degree of notoriety
959
01:08:49,367 --> 01:08:52,669
That prolific serial killers
had attained in the press.
960
01:08:56,374 --> 01:08:58,185
I felt bad for his family.
961
01:08:58,209 --> 01:09:00,563
Police were, like,
staking out the house.
962
01:09:00,587 --> 01:09:04,066
You only heard about these kind
of things on television,
963
01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:06,119
In the newspaper.
You know, this didn't happen
964
01:09:06,143 --> 01:09:10,114
Next door, let alone
quaint old east meadow.
965
01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:14,076
His mother, who was clearly
distraught now and alone,
966
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:16,036
She seemed to love him, her son.
967
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:18,706
He said she's the only one
that showed him true love
968
01:09:18,730 --> 01:09:20,541
After it all went down.
969
01:09:20,565 --> 01:09:25,379
But mrs. Rifkin was not
that accessible to reporters
970
01:09:25,403 --> 01:09:27,256
Or to anybody
that questioned her.
971
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,621
She didn't want
to talk about it.
972
01:09:31,451 --> 01:09:33,146
There's
a pretty extensive search.
973
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:35,139
I know it continued
into the next day.
974
01:09:35,163 --> 01:09:37,266
The murders that he had
committed in his house,
975
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:38,434
Rifkin apparently did
a really good job
976
01:09:38,458 --> 01:09:39,986
Of cleaning up.
977
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:41,979
Obviously he didn't want
his family to see.
978
01:09:42,003 --> 01:09:43,731
Must have been a bloody mess
979
01:09:43,755 --> 01:09:46,108
Where he dismembered
some of his victims,
980
01:09:46,132 --> 01:09:49,278
But there was no evidence
of that in the house.
981
01:09:49,302 --> 01:09:51,447
The contents
of joel rifkin's room
982
01:09:51,471 --> 01:09:54,333
Were removed and brought
to farmingdale.
983
01:09:54,357 --> 01:09:56,149
We collected
over 8,000 pieces of evidence.
984
01:09:57,936 --> 01:09:59,839
What we had to do in this case
in the beginning
985
01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,624
Was a crime scene search,
986
01:10:01,648 --> 01:10:03,584
Recovering the bodies
that hadn't been found yet
987
01:10:03,608 --> 01:10:06,462
And linking them to the bodies
that had been found.
988
01:10:06,486 --> 01:10:09,965
They were very methodical
and organized and objective,
989
01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:13,594
And they were able to
corroborate 13 or 14 of them.
990
01:10:13,618 --> 01:10:15,971
It became
such a major investigation,
991
01:10:15,995 --> 01:10:18,474
All sorts of news coverage.
992
01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:21,360
Joel rifkin has told police
he's a serial killer.
993
01:10:21,384 --> 01:10:23,145
The man told police
994
01:10:23,169 --> 01:10:26,638
He killed 17 prostitutes
over the last several years.
995
01:10:27,674 --> 01:10:30,945
Turn on the tv one night,
and I saw that joel rifkin
996
01:10:30,969 --> 01:10:32,988
Had been arrested,
and they listed his victims,
997
01:10:33,012 --> 01:10:35,647
And my best friend,
leah evans, was among them.
998
01:10:36,683 --> 01:10:39,234
I just don't have words
to describe what I felt.
999
01:10:41,187 --> 01:10:43,332
Sorry.
1000
01:10:43,356 --> 01:10:45,626
I remember being shocked
at the cover of "newsday,"
1001
01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:49,672
Biggest long island newspaper,
and the main story,
1002
01:10:49,696 --> 01:10:53,342
Which was about
long island serial killer,
1003
01:10:53,366 --> 01:10:55,177
And there's my family.
1004
01:10:55,201 --> 01:10:58,138
There's my name
on the cover of "newsday."
1005
01:10:58,162 --> 01:11:02,643
When they searched his room,
they found lorraine's license.
1006
01:11:02,667 --> 01:11:06,146
That's how we found out
exactly what happened to her.
1007
01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:08,148
I'm reading
the "nashville banner."
1008
01:11:08,172 --> 01:11:11,568
My eye gets caught
about this article on this guy
1009
01:11:11,592 --> 01:11:13,195
That the new york police
1010
01:11:13,219 --> 01:11:15,030
Had pulled over
in a pickup truck,
1011
01:11:15,054 --> 01:11:16,249
And I'm just thinking,
1012
01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:18,409
"that's
the weirdest thing ever."
1013
01:11:18,433 --> 01:11:22,746
A day or two later,
I get a phone call,
1014
01:11:22,770 --> 01:11:24,924
"this is detective or inspector.
1015
01:11:24,948 --> 01:11:26,417
Are you married
to catherine williams?"
1016
01:11:26,441 --> 01:11:28,085
I said, "yes, I am,"
and he said,
1017
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:30,421
"well, have you ever heard
of joel rifkin?"
1018
01:11:30,445 --> 01:11:31,839
He goes, "well, we found
1019
01:11:31,863 --> 01:11:33,830
Catherine's credit cards
in his home."
1020
01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:41,724
There's a whole culture
that depicts women
1021
01:11:41,748 --> 01:11:45,269
As just these erotic beings
for the taking,
1022
01:11:45,293 --> 01:11:49,023
And it's easy, then,
to devalue them
1023
01:11:49,047 --> 01:11:51,900
And for someone
like joel rifkin to think,
1024
01:11:51,924 --> 01:11:53,027
"who cares?
No one cares
1025
01:11:53,051 --> 01:11:55,143
If I kill this person."
1026
01:11:58,097 --> 01:12:01,744
The tragedy of this
and everything that rifkin did
1027
01:12:01,768 --> 01:12:04,538
Was that
these are 17 different people,
1028
01:12:04,562 --> 01:12:07,133
17 different human beings
with different backgrounds,
1029
01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:09,877
Different families,
different hopes and dreams,
1030
01:12:09,901 --> 01:12:11,826
And I had to get them justice.
1031
01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:14,923
We would try the case
over the victim
1032
01:12:14,947 --> 01:12:17,634
That we found him with first.
It was the strongest.
1033
01:12:17,658 --> 01:12:19,312
We had caught him with the body,
1034
01:12:19,336 --> 01:12:21,764
But surely somebody
who killed 17 people,
1035
01:12:21,788 --> 01:12:24,380
And I'm the first one
to try the case.
1036
01:12:24,957 --> 01:12:26,841
There was a decent amount
of pressure.
1037
01:12:43,101 --> 01:12:45,004
When joel rifkin was caught
with the body,
1038
01:12:45,028 --> 01:12:46,903
He didn't know her name.
1039
01:12:47,939 --> 01:12:50,459
We recovered beads
from a necklace
1040
01:12:50,483 --> 01:12:52,920
That she had on
when he abducted her,
1041
01:12:52,944 --> 01:12:54,847
And we found those beads
in his bedroom,
1042
01:12:54,871 --> 01:12:57,091
In his mom's car.
1043
01:12:57,115 --> 01:12:59,259
She also had some tattoos
on her body,
1044
01:12:59,283 --> 01:13:01,354
And we put them in a newspaper.
1045
01:13:01,378 --> 01:13:04,640
And we found a witness
in the city who knew her
1046
01:13:04,664 --> 01:13:06,475
And was able
to identify those beads.
1047
01:13:06,499 --> 01:13:11,313
So we were able to identify
her as tiffany bresciani.
1048
01:13:11,337 --> 01:13:14,691
She came from a good family.
She was educated.
1049
01:13:14,715 --> 01:13:16,702
Tiffany bresciani
was a 23-year-old woman
1050
01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:19,446
From metairie, louisiana,
1051
01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:22,157
Came to new york
to be an actress,
1052
01:13:22,181 --> 01:13:24,710
Didn't have the easiest go
of it,
1053
01:13:24,734 --> 01:13:26,442
Fell into a downward spiral.
1054
01:13:34,577 --> 01:13:36,630
So by the time
of joel rifkin's trial,
1055
01:13:36,654 --> 01:13:41,727
They had found 14 of his victims
1056
01:13:41,751 --> 01:13:43,303
And identified all of them
1057
01:13:43,327 --> 01:13:45,169
Except for the first one, susie.
1058
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,476
Because the rifkin case
in nassau
1059
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:50,894
Was going to be the first trial,
1060
01:13:50,918 --> 01:13:51,968
I was the first one up.
1061
01:13:57,425 --> 01:13:58,861
Are we ready to proceed?
1062
01:13:58,885 --> 01:14:00,913
You are joel rifkin?
1063
01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:03,157
Yes, sir.
1064
01:14:03,181 --> 01:14:05,815
We present the evidence
with respect to bresciani only.
1065
01:14:08,102 --> 01:14:12,499
Pain and the suffering that
he caused to tiffany bresciani
1066
01:14:12,523 --> 01:14:14,991
Has to be taken
into account by this court.
1067
01:14:16,277 --> 01:14:19,173
Joel rifkin was asserting
the insanity defense,
1068
01:14:19,197 --> 01:14:21,717
Claiming that he was
legally insane at the time
1069
01:14:21,741 --> 01:14:23,269
He killed tiffany bresciani.
1070
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:25,271
He didn't have much
of an option, rifkin.
1071
01:14:25,295 --> 01:14:29,266
He's caught red-handed.
He confessed to it.
1072
01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,769
You look at all the evidence
in the case, his background,
1073
01:14:32,793 --> 01:14:34,438
His upbringing
1074
01:14:34,462 --> 01:14:37,691
And what he did with respect
to tiffany bresciani.
1075
01:14:37,715 --> 01:14:40,183
He can best be described
as a killing machine.
1076
01:14:41,219 --> 01:14:43,956
Joe rifkin was
the most prolific serial killer
1077
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:45,574
In new york state history.
1078
01:14:45,598 --> 01:14:49,578
He had killed more people
than any other single person.
1079
01:14:49,602 --> 01:14:51,413
It would certainly make it
much more difficult
1080
01:14:51,437 --> 01:14:54,124
To get convictions
on his 16 other cases
1081
01:14:54,148 --> 01:14:56,710
If rifkin was found insane
at the first trial.
1082
01:14:56,734 --> 01:14:58,367
This creates
a lot of pressure for me.
1083
01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:31,245
The hope of rifkin's lawyer
was, a jury would look at this
1084
01:15:31,269 --> 01:15:34,028
And say, "17 women?
This guy has got to be nuts."
1085
01:15:35,865 --> 01:15:39,836
I was hired by
joel rifkin's defense counsel
1086
01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:42,014
To look at the issue
of competency.
1087
01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:43,924
The situation with rifkin
1088
01:15:43,948 --> 01:15:47,208
Is that he's extremely
personality disordered.
1089
01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:49,346
At the end,
he was falling apart,
1090
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:52,182
And that's what led me to think
about whether or not
1091
01:15:52,206 --> 01:15:56,103
He was really fully competent
to waive his rights
1092
01:15:56,127 --> 01:15:57,646
And not have a lawyer
in the room
1093
01:15:57,670 --> 01:15:59,106
When he spilled the beans
1094
01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:01,013
And just confessed
to all these murders.
1095
01:16:03,175 --> 01:16:06,280
The problem for that is
the confession is so detailed
1096
01:16:06,304 --> 01:16:08,198
And methodical
1097
01:16:08,222 --> 01:16:10,450
That what normal person
is going to believe him,
1098
01:16:10,474 --> 01:16:12,703
That he didn't understand
what he's talking about
1099
01:16:12,727 --> 01:16:15,622
When he was so organized
in describing years' worth
1100
01:16:15,646 --> 01:16:17,989
Of killing,
you know, over a dozen women?
1101
01:16:22,153 --> 01:16:23,714
One of the really weird things
1102
01:16:23,738 --> 01:16:26,508
He had told some of
the psychiatrists were that,
1103
01:16:26,532 --> 01:16:29,011
After he had killed
most of these women,
1104
01:16:29,035 --> 01:16:31,471
Rifkin took the money back
from them
1105
01:16:31,495 --> 01:16:32,898
That he had initially given them
1106
01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,672
To perform the sex act.
1107
01:16:36,092 --> 01:16:41,189
The jury was very persuaded by
that little piece of evidence
1108
01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:43,233
That this guy knew exactly
what he was doing.
1109
01:16:43,257 --> 01:16:45,527
We were able to establish
beyond a reasonable doubt
1110
01:16:45,551 --> 01:16:48,247
That he was guilty
of killing tiffany bresciani.
1111
01:16:48,271 --> 01:16:50,583
We were able to disprove
that he was insane
1112
01:16:50,607 --> 01:16:52,868
At the time he did this,
1113
01:16:52,892 --> 01:16:56,444
And ultimately, rifkin was
sentenced to 28 years to life.
1114
01:17:10,460 --> 01:17:13,105
Never saw any human connection
from rifkin
1115
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,891
About what he had did
to 17 human beings.
1116
01:17:15,915 --> 01:17:18,215
He is a sexual
sadistic murderer.
1117
01:18:00,459 --> 01:18:03,322
Even after joel rifkin
was convicted,
1118
01:18:03,346 --> 01:18:05,649
The last chapter wasn't written
1119
01:18:05,673 --> 01:18:10,329
Because, after 24 years, susie,
his first victim...
1120
01:18:10,353 --> 01:18:13,240
Her head had been dumped
on the golf course...
1121
01:18:13,264 --> 01:18:15,064
Had not been identified.
1122
01:18:21,355 --> 01:18:24,126
When he confessed,
joel rifkin clearly explained
1123
01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:25,961
That the head that was found
in hopewell township
1124
01:18:25,985 --> 01:18:27,504
Was his first victim
1125
01:18:27,528 --> 01:18:30,132
And that he only knew
her as susie.
1126
01:18:30,156 --> 01:18:32,843
That was the extent of what he
explained during his interview,
1127
01:18:32,867 --> 01:18:34,353
So we had what was called
1128
01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:36,293
An unidentified deceased person.
1129
01:18:37,496 --> 01:18:39,099
In hopewell township,
1130
01:18:39,123 --> 01:18:42,436
It was the only unsolved
homicide that we had on file,
1131
01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:44,969
The only unsolved homicide
I had in my career.
1132
01:18:46,005 --> 01:18:48,108
She had a mother somewhere.
She had a father somewhere.
1133
01:18:48,132 --> 01:18:50,152
She may even have had children,
1134
01:18:50,176 --> 01:18:52,696
So it became
almost personal with me.
1135
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,373
I continued to work the case
1136
01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:56,647
Until the time
I retired in 2005.
1137
01:18:58,401 --> 01:18:59,619
I was a patrol officer
1138
01:18:59,643 --> 01:19:02,122
And then
subsequently a patrol sergeant.
1139
01:19:02,146 --> 01:19:04,541
Over the years,
I always joked with the bosses
1140
01:19:04,565 --> 01:19:06,209
That if I ever got
the opportunity,
1141
01:19:06,233 --> 01:19:08,170
I was going to solve this case.
1142
01:19:08,194 --> 01:19:10,005
I was told by my then-boss
at the time
1143
01:19:10,029 --> 01:19:12,716
That I wasn't a detective.
1144
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:14,832
Eventually, I got my shot.
1145
01:19:16,419 --> 01:19:17,888
- What caused this?
- Why?
1146
01:19:17,912 --> 01:19:19,389
How could this have happened?
1147
01:19:19,413 --> 01:19:22,067
I saw him through this period.
1148
01:19:22,091 --> 01:19:23,799
He wasn't invisible.
He was there.
1149
01:19:43,896 --> 01:19:46,833
We were always confident
from 1993 on
1150
01:19:46,857 --> 01:19:48,335
That the head that was found
1151
01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:50,212
At the hopewell valley
country club
1152
01:19:50,236 --> 01:19:52,620
Was absolutely
joel rifkin's first victim.
1153
01:19:53,906 --> 01:19:55,267
We just didn't have a name
1154
01:19:55,291 --> 01:19:57,124
That was associated
with that victim.
1155
01:19:57,460 --> 01:20:01,389
When I became lieutenant
in 2012,
1156
01:20:01,413 --> 01:20:03,942
I had the opportunity
to look into it.
1157
01:20:03,966 --> 01:20:05,444
Susie was picked up
1158
01:20:05,468 --> 01:20:07,270
On the lower east side
9th precinct area.
1159
01:20:07,294 --> 01:20:08,781
I said, "why don't we just
go up there and see"
1160
01:20:08,805 --> 01:20:10,607
"if there's, like,
an old-school detective
1161
01:20:10,631 --> 01:20:13,276
"up there
who can look through some files
1162
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:14,903
"and maybe give
some names of girls
1163
01:20:14,927 --> 01:20:17,645
That were arrested
multiple times in that area?"
1164
01:20:19,056 --> 01:20:21,785
One detective kept looking
in the old computer system.
1165
01:20:21,809 --> 01:20:25,080
He gave us a list of 19 names.
When I walked out of there,
1166
01:20:25,104 --> 01:20:28,280
I thought it was a complete
waste of time, but it wasn't.
1167
01:20:29,775 --> 01:20:31,711
One of the names on the list
that was provided
1168
01:20:31,735 --> 01:20:33,639
Was susan spencer.
1169
01:20:33,663 --> 01:20:35,590
The date of birth was right
for our victim.
1170
01:20:35,614 --> 01:20:37,300
The eye color matched.
1171
01:20:37,324 --> 01:20:39,250
I thought I was
on the right path.
1172
01:20:40,002 --> 01:20:41,980
The name susan spencer
led us down a path
1173
01:20:42,004 --> 01:20:43,754
That didn't lead anywhere.
1174
01:20:44,832 --> 01:20:46,601
However,
on this criminal history
1175
01:20:46,625 --> 01:20:49,604
Was numerous alias names,
numerous alias date of births,
1176
01:20:49,628 --> 01:20:53,149
Numerous
social security numbers,
1177
01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:55,986
So we decided to run
every single date of birth,
1178
01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:57,612
Every single name,
1179
01:20:57,636 --> 01:21:01,324
And we located
a missing-persons report
1180
01:21:01,348 --> 01:21:04,316
That was filed
in new york city in 1995.
1181
01:21:04,861 --> 01:21:06,955
If someone's reporting someone
in 1995
1182
01:21:06,979 --> 01:21:09,124
But our head was found in 1989,
1183
01:21:09,148 --> 01:21:10,500
There could be no correlation.
1184
01:21:10,524 --> 01:21:12,845
However, I decided
not to discard it.
1185
01:21:12,869 --> 01:21:15,013
The name on the missing person
was heidi balch.
1186
01:21:15,037 --> 01:21:17,173
Heidi balch was reported
missing by her aunt
1187
01:21:17,197 --> 01:21:19,081
Who lived in new york.
1188
01:21:19,658 --> 01:21:21,186
My chief,
as I'm explaining to it,
1189
01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:24,472
He just goes like this
and points,
1190
01:21:24,496 --> 01:21:26,338
"get to new york
and go find the aunt."
1191
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,352
Aunt looked at the picture,
said,
1192
01:21:29,376 --> 01:21:31,688
"yeah, that's my niece,
heidi balch."
1193
01:21:31,712 --> 01:21:34,482
I said, "well, you know,
when she got arrested here"...
1194
01:21:34,506 --> 01:21:37,694
It was a picture from 1986...
1195
01:21:37,718 --> 01:21:41,373
"she used the name
susan spencer,"
1196
01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:43,199
And I'll never forget
this moment
1197
01:21:43,223 --> 01:21:45,035
Because she grabs my arm
like a little old lady would
1198
01:21:45,059 --> 01:21:46,661
And just said,
1199
01:21:46,685 --> 01:21:49,028
"oh, she went by susie
for the longest time."
1200
01:21:50,856 --> 01:21:52,792
Literally the hair on the back
of my neck stood up.
1201
01:21:52,816 --> 01:21:54,408
We solved this.
1202
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:57,703
The head belongs to heidi balch.
1203
01:21:59,031 --> 01:22:00,550
I called my chief.
He's like,
1204
01:22:00,574 --> 01:22:03,219
"do you know what today is?"
I go, "it's March 5th."
1205
01:22:03,243 --> 01:22:05,388
He goes,
"yeah, it's March 5th, 2013.
1206
01:22:05,412 --> 01:22:07,671
We found the head
March 5th, 1989."
1207
01:22:09,541 --> 01:22:13,802
It was 24 years to the day that
we actually solved the case.
1208
01:22:16,173 --> 01:22:17,734
When I spoke
to the other patrolmen,
1209
01:22:17,758 --> 01:22:19,319
That's what I always told them,
1210
01:22:19,343 --> 01:22:21,529
"don't give up until
you've solved the case."
1211
01:22:21,553 --> 01:22:25,272
Having bill springer solve it,
I was overjoyed.
1212
01:22:27,109 --> 01:22:29,412
I worked hard on it.
1213
01:22:29,436 --> 01:22:33,750
It meant a lot to me,
and it was closure.
1214
01:22:33,774 --> 01:22:36,753
I believe that justice
is finally served,
1215
01:22:36,777 --> 01:22:40,079
May have taken nearly 30 years,
but we did it.
1216
01:22:55,587 --> 01:22:58,733
The joel rifkin I remember
was just a regular kid
1217
01:22:58,757 --> 01:23:00,193
Who was really polite,
1218
01:23:00,217 --> 01:23:03,780
Nice, sweet,
never thought he was creepy.
1219
01:23:03,804 --> 01:23:05,437
How could he do
these horrible things?
1220
01:23:07,433 --> 01:23:09,962
You're trying to contemplate,
like, what caused this?
1221
01:23:09,986 --> 01:23:12,580
Why?
How could this have happened?
1222
01:23:12,604 --> 01:23:14,791
I saw him through this period.
1223
01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:16,751
He wasn't invisible.
He was there.
1224
01:23:16,775 --> 01:23:18,450
This is something
that disturbs me.
1225
01:23:20,162 --> 01:23:21,589
He looks like the guy next door.
1226
01:23:21,613 --> 01:23:23,141
He was the guy next door.
1227
01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:25,218
He did not look
1228
01:23:25,242 --> 01:23:26,594
Like a serial killer
from my point of view.
1229
01:23:26,618 --> 01:23:28,221
In every high school,
1230
01:23:28,245 --> 01:23:30,265
There's a kid
that's the last to get picked.
1231
01:23:30,289 --> 01:23:33,560
In every high school, there's
a kid that doesn't get girls,
1232
01:23:33,584 --> 01:23:36,896
But they don't go ahead
and murder 17 women.
1233
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,429
There is evil there.
1234
01:23:42,801 --> 01:23:45,405
I never got to say goodbye
to my friend.
1235
01:23:45,429 --> 01:23:48,074
I did not have the opportunity
then to attend her funeral
1236
01:23:48,098 --> 01:23:51,161
Or to be part of any of
the honoring of her,
1237
01:23:51,185 --> 01:23:54,069
Laying her to rest,
or finding closure myself.
1238
01:23:54,855 --> 01:23:57,333
When you think of somebody
you love,
1239
01:23:57,357 --> 01:24:01,160
You think about the person
at their finest.
1240
01:24:01,653 --> 01:24:05,175
Lorraine, you know,
had big goals, big plans.
1241
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,166
It's just so sad.
It's just not fair.
1242
01:24:09,495 --> 01:24:11,378
Catherine was a fearless person.
1243
01:24:12,289 --> 01:24:15,810
She would stare in the face
of just horrendous danger
1244
01:24:15,834 --> 01:24:18,813
And just felt like
she could conquer the world.
1245
01:24:18,837 --> 01:24:23,443
I will always remember her
primarily as a courageous soul
1246
01:24:23,467 --> 01:24:28,364
That will always continue
to impact my decisions
1247
01:24:28,388 --> 01:24:30,606
Regardless of what comes.
1248
01:24:36,146 --> 01:24:37,332
It is unthinkable
1249
01:24:37,356 --> 01:24:41,002
That someone
that I loved so fiercely,
1250
01:24:41,026 --> 01:24:43,889
Who had such
a beautiful life ahead
1251
01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:45,673
And who was a mother
to two young children
1252
01:24:45,697 --> 01:24:49,416
Would be taken in that way
and disposed of in that way.
1253
01:24:50,994 --> 01:24:53,389
That's the message I want
to give to joel rifkin.
1254
01:24:53,413 --> 01:24:54,808
Leah was not a throwaway.
1255
01:24:54,832 --> 01:24:57,007
None of them are throwaways,
none of them.
1256
01:25:01,263 --> 01:25:06,528
I think what you learn
from a person like joel is,
1257
01:25:06,552 --> 01:25:11,032
Childhood trauma
needs to be examined.
1258
01:25:11,056 --> 01:25:14,494
If not for the people that
bullied him and abused him,
1259
01:25:14,518 --> 01:25:16,913
He was pretty much invisible,
1260
01:25:16,937 --> 01:25:21,031
And I think that created issues
with his identity.
1261
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,380
That anonymity helped joel,
the serial killer,
1262
01:25:25,404 --> 01:25:28,266
But hurt his psyche,
1263
01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:30,207
And this was his way
of lashing out.
1264
01:25:53,816 --> 01:26:00,415
He never once expressed anger
towards women in general
1265
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,710
Or even prostitutes in general.
1266
01:26:03,734 --> 01:26:07,255
Instead, most of that anger
was directed at himself
1267
01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:09,549
And the fact that he couldn't
break his addiction
1268
01:26:09,573 --> 01:26:12,135
To the women on the streets.
1269
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,763
Had he gotten some help
maybe about the bullying,
1270
01:26:15,787 --> 01:26:19,642
Maybe some counseling
about his sexual urges,
1271
01:26:19,666 --> 01:26:21,987
You know, maybe this
wouldn't have happened,
1272
01:26:22,011 --> 01:26:23,646
And maybe, you know,
1273
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:25,095
A lot of these lives
would've been saved.
1274
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,007
Joel and I had
a rapport instantly.
1275
01:26:51,031 --> 01:26:54,302
We had it in 1979
the first time we met,
1276
01:26:54,326 --> 01:26:58,348
And that rapport was picked up
the minute we were reconnected
1277
01:26:58,372 --> 01:27:00,975
In that prison visitation room,
1278
01:27:00,999 --> 01:27:04,312
But the joel that I
interviewed differed so much
1279
01:27:04,336 --> 01:27:06,814
From the joel that I knew
in college.
1280
01:27:06,838 --> 01:27:09,514
He felt no guilt,
no remorse, no pain.
1281
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:13,872
You still have thoughts
of killing people?
1282
01:27:13,896 --> 01:27:15,490
It's like the alcoholic says.
1283
01:27:15,514 --> 01:27:17,283
They're in recovery.
1284
01:27:17,307 --> 01:27:20,203
You put a beer in their hands,
that they can relapse.
1285
01:27:20,227 --> 01:27:22,497
It's not guaranteed,
but there's a possibly.
1286
01:27:22,521 --> 01:27:24,666
Where I am right now today,
1287
01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:26,490
I know
this is the best place for me.105636
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