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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:22,354 I heard joel rifkin's name on the radio. 2 00:00:23,474 --> 00:00:26,619 A 34-year-old new york man will be in court this morning. 3 00:00:26,643 --> 00:00:29,497 Joel rifkin has told police he's a serial killer. 4 00:00:29,521 --> 00:00:32,509 I remember gasping that that was my college friend. 5 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:35,317 He looked so harmless. I had to have answers. 6 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:56,357 There were plenty of kids in the hall who were scary, 7 00:00:56,381 --> 00:00:57,848 But joel was not. 8 00:01:00,219 --> 00:01:02,614 I was trying to figure out how the joel that I knew 9 00:01:02,638 --> 00:01:05,116 Became a deadly killer. 10 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:07,660 He's riding around all night looking for girls, 11 00:01:07,684 --> 00:01:10,547 And then he's butchering the bodies next door? 12 00:01:10,571 --> 00:01:12,321 And no one knew. 13 00:01:15,567 --> 00:01:18,713 So he was invisible, certainly, to law enforcement. 14 00:01:18,737 --> 00:01:22,008 As a youngster, he'd be accosted, assaulted. 15 00:01:22,032 --> 00:01:23,624 Where does that go psychologically? 16 00:01:32,918 --> 00:01:35,396 I never got to say goodbye to my friend 17 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:37,346 Or to even understand what happened to her. 18 00:01:42,678 --> 00:01:45,698 He felt no guilt, no remorse, no pain. 19 00:01:45,722 --> 00:01:46,888 He was a monster. 20 00:02:06,076 --> 00:02:09,773 New york city in the late '80s and the early '90s, 21 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:11,391 Crime was rampant. 22 00:02:11,415 --> 00:02:14,227 Policeman was shot dead in his patrol car. 23 00:02:14,251 --> 00:02:16,563 There were more than 2,000 murders a year. 24 00:02:16,587 --> 00:02:20,233 This has reached epidemic proportions. 25 00:02:20,257 --> 00:02:23,570 It is a crack epidemic which police say is causing 26 00:02:23,594 --> 00:02:26,019 An increase in murder and other violent crime. 27 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:29,242 Parents... they were terrified 28 00:02:29,266 --> 00:02:31,035 To have their children move there. 29 00:02:31,059 --> 00:02:34,581 Back then, I was a police officer, 30 00:02:34,605 --> 00:02:36,749 And it was frightening for me, so I can't even imagine 31 00:02:36,773 --> 00:02:39,741 What it must have been like for the populace back then. 32 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:54,225 ♪ ♪ 33 00:02:54,249 --> 00:02:56,561 It was a quiet night. 34 00:02:56,585 --> 00:02:59,489 There was really no one on the road. 35 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:01,983 It was approximately 3:15 in the morning. 36 00:03:02,007 --> 00:03:06,446 We observed a pickup truck in the center lane. 37 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:10,147 As we got closer, we realized there was no license plate. 38 00:03:12,935 --> 00:03:15,955 We turned on the lights to initiate a car stop. 39 00:03:15,979 --> 00:03:17,321 The pickup truck did not pull over. 40 00:03:18,815 --> 00:03:20,501 We pulled up alongside of him. 41 00:03:20,525 --> 00:03:21,836 He just kind of slowly looked over, 42 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:26,163 Just had a very blank look on his face. 43 00:03:26,657 --> 00:03:28,801 Possibly he was intoxicated, 44 00:03:28,825 --> 00:03:31,501 So I pointed to him to pull over to the side of the road. 45 00:03:31,995 --> 00:03:33,640 We thought he was pulling up onto the shoulder, 46 00:03:33,664 --> 00:03:37,341 At which time, he exited the southern state parkway. 47 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:42,482 He just wasn't stopping, and at that point, 48 00:03:42,506 --> 00:03:44,172 I called in that we were in pursuit. 49 00:03:46,551 --> 00:03:47,987 ♪ ♪ 50 00:03:48,011 --> 00:03:51,041 He was getting faster and faster, 51 00:03:51,065 --> 00:03:53,701 Up to 90 miles an hour. 52 00:03:53,725 --> 00:03:57,455 We started getting into tighter, windier roads. 53 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,999 We stayed right behind him. 54 00:04:00,023 --> 00:04:02,282 There's clearly something he's hiding. 55 00:04:04,403 --> 00:04:06,495 He was debating which way to turn. 56 00:04:07,364 --> 00:04:10,969 At the last minute, he decided to go left. 57 00:04:10,993 --> 00:04:14,703 He drove up onto the sidewalk and struck a light pole... 58 00:04:17,499 --> 00:04:20,676 Knocking down the pole, and the pursuit was over. 59 00:04:22,421 --> 00:04:24,524 I approached white male subject 60 00:04:24,548 --> 00:04:26,192 With his hands up. 61 00:04:26,216 --> 00:04:28,569 I opened the door, 62 00:04:28,593 --> 00:04:31,561 Grabbed him out, and put the cuffs on him. 63 00:04:34,891 --> 00:04:37,693 I asked him his name, his address, date of birth. 64 00:04:39,896 --> 00:04:43,835 He said his name was joel rifkin, 65 00:04:43,859 --> 00:04:46,118 And that's when I noticed the smell. 66 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:49,549 As we looked into the back of the truck, 67 00:04:49,573 --> 00:04:50,664 There was a blue tarp. 68 00:04:55,287 --> 00:04:58,558 The decision was made to pull back the tarp, 69 00:04:58,582 --> 00:05:01,394 And we could see the head and shoulder of a female 70 00:05:01,418 --> 00:05:03,093 Deceased for several days. 71 00:05:06,423 --> 00:05:08,192 That was the first time joel rifkin raised 72 00:05:08,216 --> 00:05:10,058 To the level of anyone's attention. 73 00:05:11,636 --> 00:05:14,198 He wasn't on our radar. Prior to this, 74 00:05:14,222 --> 00:05:16,389 He was invisible, certainly to law enforcement. 75 00:05:19,436 --> 00:05:21,122 My job at the scene is to take control 76 00:05:21,146 --> 00:05:22,195 And supervise the investigation. 77 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:25,752 I directed that they take him back 78 00:05:25,776 --> 00:05:28,129 To the state police headquarters in farmingdale. 79 00:05:28,153 --> 00:05:32,309 Our goal was to lock him in to the victim we had, 80 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:34,052 And rifkin was cooperative. 81 00:05:34,076 --> 00:05:36,980 He couldn't deny that he had the body in the vehicle. 82 00:05:37,004 --> 00:05:38,473 And that's when they started to ask... 83 00:05:38,497 --> 00:05:40,975 "Well, has this ever happened before?" 84 00:05:40,999 --> 00:05:46,272 And joel rifkin answered, "well, what if it did?" 85 00:05:46,296 --> 00:05:48,941 Is it more than 10, less than 20? 86 00:05:48,965 --> 00:05:51,569 He kind of leaned back in the chair and said, 87 00:05:51,593 --> 00:05:52,934 "one or 100, what's the difference?" 88 00:05:56,857 --> 00:05:58,835 I knew what serial murderers were. 89 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:01,162 I certainly never thought I was gonna meet one. 90 00:06:01,186 --> 00:06:05,342 This is just getting crazier and crazier. 91 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:08,617 What is going on here? Who is joel rifkin? 92 00:06:14,375 --> 00:06:16,803 Two troopers on uniformed night patrol 93 00:06:16,827 --> 00:06:18,188 Stopped a pickup truck 94 00:06:18,212 --> 00:06:20,754 That contained the body of a female victim. 95 00:06:21,206 --> 00:06:23,267 I was driving out to long island 96 00:06:23,291 --> 00:06:25,853 When I heard joel rifkin's name on the radio. 97 00:06:25,877 --> 00:06:28,940 There was an arrest of joel rifkin. 98 00:06:28,964 --> 00:06:30,817 I remembered gasping. 99 00:06:30,841 --> 00:06:34,434 I immediately realized that that was my college friend. 100 00:06:37,514 --> 00:06:39,659 We were both journalism students 101 00:06:39,683 --> 00:06:42,401 At the state university of new york at brockport. 102 00:06:43,311 --> 00:06:47,834 I had received my very first paid assignment 103 00:06:47,858 --> 00:06:52,004 For a boxing magazine featuring a local fighter. 104 00:06:52,028 --> 00:06:54,799 The journalism department recommended joel rifkin 105 00:06:54,823 --> 00:06:58,344 As the wonder kid of the photography department. 106 00:06:58,368 --> 00:07:01,139 We drove the 30 miles or so to the fight. 107 00:07:01,163 --> 00:07:03,182 I remember thinking, "you know, 108 00:07:03,206 --> 00:07:05,685 This guy is really unique. He's really cool." 109 00:07:05,709 --> 00:07:07,228 There were a lot of commonalities. 110 00:07:07,252 --> 00:07:08,635 We were both long island kids. 111 00:07:11,098 --> 00:07:13,025 This assignment for the boxing match 112 00:07:13,049 --> 00:07:15,027 Was on a Friday night. 113 00:07:15,051 --> 00:07:17,102 Joel wound up getting some phenomenal shots. 114 00:07:22,058 --> 00:07:24,537 We saw each other a couple of times after that, 115 00:07:24,561 --> 00:07:27,424 But the semester was soon over. 116 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:30,209 When I went back for the spring semester, 117 00:07:30,233 --> 00:07:31,711 I had hoped to see him. 118 00:07:31,735 --> 00:07:33,212 I asked around. 119 00:07:33,236 --> 00:07:35,370 I found out that joel dropped out. 120 00:07:37,908 --> 00:07:41,220 When I heard about his arrest, I was dismayed 121 00:07:41,244 --> 00:07:44,421 Because that differed so much from the joel that I knew. 122 00:07:44,956 --> 00:07:47,226 This guy had so much potential. 123 00:07:47,250 --> 00:07:51,397 I had just assumed that he was out there conquering the world 124 00:07:51,421 --> 00:07:53,232 While I was just a cop. 125 00:07:53,256 --> 00:07:56,068 I had lots of questions. 126 00:07:56,092 --> 00:07:59,622 I wanted to know everything there was to know. 127 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:03,034 I fired off a letter to joel at attica prison, 128 00:08:03,058 --> 00:08:05,703 "And I said, "I was taken aback by what you did. 129 00:08:05,727 --> 00:08:08,247 I'd love to learn more about your motivations." 130 00:08:08,271 --> 00:08:10,467 I was curious 131 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:13,636 If he had that secret life when I knew him, 132 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:16,589 How long he'd been conducting that secret life. 133 00:08:16,613 --> 00:08:18,591 How did it all go wrong? 134 00:08:18,615 --> 00:08:20,707 Did it go wrong before I even met him? 135 00:08:23,286 --> 00:08:25,315 When joel rifkin responded to me, 136 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:26,983 He told me that he remembered me. 137 00:08:27,007 --> 00:08:28,485 We had some pretty friendly letters, 138 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:30,478 And then 7 years after he was arrested, 139 00:08:30,502 --> 00:08:32,260 I went up to see him. 140 00:09:37,694 --> 00:09:41,382 He was very kind of disarmingly friendly, 141 00:09:41,406 --> 00:09:43,509 Very open, honest and candid. 142 00:09:43,533 --> 00:09:47,888 What drove a guy that I once considered a friend to murder? 143 00:09:47,912 --> 00:09:52,810 And how could joel have gotten away with this for so long? 144 00:09:52,834 --> 00:09:54,759 Anything I asked him, nothing was off limits. 145 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:06,032 As a cop, sometimes you can sense 146 00:10:06,056 --> 00:10:07,917 That people are relishing 147 00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:11,329 Telling you about their antics, 148 00:10:11,353 --> 00:10:13,414 But joel was so unemotional about this 149 00:10:13,438 --> 00:10:14,915 And so matter of fact. 150 00:10:14,939 --> 00:10:17,949 There was this complete disconnect from reality. 151 00:10:31,539 --> 00:10:33,267 I spoke to my college friend joel rifkin 152 00:10:33,291 --> 00:10:37,605 At attica prison in 1999 153 00:10:37,629 --> 00:10:40,399 Because I just couldn't reconcile the fact 154 00:10:40,423 --> 00:10:45,226 That the joel rifkin I knew became this invisible killer. 155 00:10:45,929 --> 00:10:47,907 When joel talked about his childhood, 156 00:10:47,931 --> 00:10:51,794 I expected him to get a little more emotional, 157 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:54,819 But he was pretty much matter of fact. 158 00:10:56,106 --> 00:11:00,419 What I found most interesting was, unlike most people 159 00:11:00,443 --> 00:11:02,963 That have a desire to harm others, 160 00:11:02,987 --> 00:11:05,132 There was no bed-wetting. 161 00:11:05,156 --> 00:11:07,927 There was no purposeful harm of animals. 162 00:11:07,951 --> 00:11:10,638 There was no fire-starting. 163 00:11:10,662 --> 00:11:12,982 So he really is unique. 164 00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:17,103 His behaviors did not reflect any of the normal patterns 165 00:11:17,127 --> 00:11:19,260 Of such a nefarious criminal. 166 00:11:20,505 --> 00:11:23,442 He talked about him and his sister being adopted 167 00:11:23,466 --> 00:11:26,278 From a jewish agency in new york, 168 00:11:26,302 --> 00:11:29,240 And I remember him saying, you know, 169 00:11:29,264 --> 00:11:31,501 Sort of self-deprecatingly 170 00:11:31,525 --> 00:11:34,286 That the dream came true for his parents 171 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:37,195 When they adopted a boy and a girl. 172 00:12:03,673 --> 00:12:07,278 Joel's family settled in east meadow, long island. 173 00:12:07,302 --> 00:12:11,040 It was joel and his sister, and his parents, ben and jean. 174 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:12,616 East meadow was 175 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,859 A quintessential middle class place to grow up. 176 00:12:17,645 --> 00:12:20,499 It wasn't just looked upon as a middle class home. 177 00:12:20,523 --> 00:12:22,001 It was looked upon 178 00:12:22,025 --> 00:12:25,838 As the future of which dreams were made. 179 00:12:25,862 --> 00:12:28,132 It was their piece of the american pie. 180 00:12:28,156 --> 00:12:30,893 - They were our neighbors. - We were in the same class. 181 00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:33,304 I used to walk to school with him. 182 00:12:33,328 --> 00:12:36,733 Joel was just a regular kid who was extra quiet, 183 00:12:36,757 --> 00:12:39,518 Really polite, nice, sweet, 184 00:12:39,542 --> 00:12:41,687 The kind of guy who's in his own world, 185 00:12:41,711 --> 00:12:43,522 Doing his own thing. 186 00:12:43,546 --> 00:12:45,399 Joel came to my bar mitzvah, 187 00:12:45,423 --> 00:12:46,859 But at the same time, he's different. 188 00:12:46,883 --> 00:12:48,558 He didn't really fit with anyone. 189 00:12:50,845 --> 00:12:52,865 For joel, living in east meadow, 190 00:12:52,889 --> 00:12:56,160 What he perceived to be his inferiorities 191 00:12:56,184 --> 00:12:58,078 Took center stage. 192 00:12:58,102 --> 00:13:00,153 It was not a blissful existence for him. 193 00:13:21,251 --> 00:13:23,896 While we might have been throwing the ball, 194 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,398 He was looking at the sidewalk 195 00:13:26,422 --> 00:13:28,848 With a magnifying glass at a bug or something. 196 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:32,238 I do remember joel being called turtle. 197 00:13:32,262 --> 00:13:34,532 He had always seemed like he was kind of a little slower 198 00:13:34,556 --> 00:13:35,699 And a step behind. 199 00:13:35,723 --> 00:13:37,794 It became readily apparent 200 00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:40,037 That he couldn't play sports. 201 00:13:40,061 --> 00:13:44,041 Joel would be probably the last person to be picked, 202 00:13:44,065 --> 00:13:46,741 And I know that that frustrated his father. 203 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:05,437 His father had been an athlete in college, 204 00:14:05,461 --> 00:14:09,775 So joel didn't quite meet up to his level 205 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:14,947 Of what the father wanted his son to be. 206 00:14:14,971 --> 00:14:16,448 That caused a tremendous amount 207 00:14:16,472 --> 00:14:18,450 Of frustration for joel 208 00:14:18,474 --> 00:14:22,338 And kind of retarded his development 209 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,957 As far as, you know, feeling good about himself. 210 00:14:24,981 --> 00:14:26,823 It went into his schoolwork as well. 211 00:14:28,443 --> 00:14:30,012 Joel had a very high iq... 212 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:33,299 128 was the exact number... 213 00:14:33,323 --> 00:14:35,301 But he didn't concentrate well 214 00:14:35,325 --> 00:14:37,303 Unless something really interested him. 215 00:14:37,327 --> 00:14:40,264 His father, who was scholarly, 216 00:14:40,288 --> 00:14:41,858 Would sit at the kitchen table with him 217 00:14:41,882 --> 00:14:43,464 And pore over the homework. 218 00:15:11,027 --> 00:15:14,006 That was the first person to interview rifkin in prison, 219 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:16,967 And he said he was tortured by the fact 220 00:15:16,991 --> 00:15:19,542 That he couldn't live up to his father's expectations. 221 00:15:21,755 --> 00:15:24,683 The mother embraced him and pulled him 222 00:15:24,707 --> 00:15:28,426 Photography and horticulture. 223 00:15:39,389 --> 00:15:40,699 He did a lot of photography, 224 00:15:40,723 --> 00:15:42,660 And he was actually very good at it, 225 00:15:42,684 --> 00:15:45,234 But at the same time, something is amiss. 226 00:15:48,189 --> 00:15:52,711 Joel described to me the bullying that he endured. 227 00:15:52,735 --> 00:15:56,715 He would walk home from school. He'd be accosted, assaulted. 228 00:15:56,739 --> 00:15:58,175 On one occasion, he had underwear 229 00:15:58,199 --> 00:16:00,102 Stuffed in his mouth. 230 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:02,939 There'd be all sorts of physical assaults, 231 00:16:02,963 --> 00:16:04,671 Mocking, name calling. 232 00:16:45,621 --> 00:16:49,059 - He wasn't harming anyone. - He wasn't combative. 233 00:16:49,083 --> 00:16:50,436 There were plenty of kids in the hall 234 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:53,605 Who were scary, but joel was not. 235 00:16:53,629 --> 00:16:55,941 Some kids get picked on, they go home, they cry. 236 00:16:55,965 --> 00:16:57,401 Their parents take care of it. 237 00:16:57,425 --> 00:17:00,070 He just took it. 238 00:17:00,094 --> 00:17:01,989 He experienced that all his life. 239 00:17:02,013 --> 00:17:07,003 I'm sure that that experience shaped his psyche 240 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,913 Because acceptance by one's peers 241 00:17:09,937 --> 00:17:14,126 Is the be-all and end-all to a child's psyche. 242 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:17,796 It must have built up impotent rage 243 00:17:17,820 --> 00:17:20,090 When you feel such anger 244 00:17:20,114 --> 00:17:22,134 But you really can't do anything about it. 245 00:17:22,158 --> 00:17:25,304 You're not strong enough. You don't have enough allies, 246 00:17:25,328 --> 00:17:31,435 And I imagine that joel rifkin built up this reservoir of rage 247 00:17:31,459 --> 00:17:33,645 With no place to put it. 248 00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:37,867 Joel said that he dreaded going to school every day, 249 00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:40,308 So he devised this complex plan. 250 00:17:41,552 --> 00:17:43,781 In the morning, he would time it 251 00:17:43,805 --> 00:17:45,324 So he would get to school 252 00:17:45,348 --> 00:17:47,284 Seconds before the bell rang 253 00:17:47,308 --> 00:17:50,151 So nobody would have the opportunity to harass him. 254 00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:03,300 He would take this circuitous route 255 00:18:03,324 --> 00:18:05,177 Through the woods to his home, 256 00:18:05,201 --> 00:18:07,679 Where he would secure himself in his room 257 00:18:07,703 --> 00:18:08,586 For the rest of the night. 258 00:18:28,224 --> 00:18:31,526 How did this behavior help joel get away with what he did? 259 00:18:32,436 --> 00:18:34,757 He seemed very ordinary. 260 00:18:34,781 --> 00:18:38,377 He used this process to his advantage. 261 00:18:38,401 --> 00:18:44,049 He became a master of not only being stealth, 262 00:18:44,073 --> 00:18:46,040 But being stealth in plain sight. 263 00:18:47,410 --> 00:18:51,056 Joel is like the invisible man, 264 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,186 Which contributed greatly to his success as a murderer 265 00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:59,731 As well as his longevity as a murderer. 266 00:18:59,755 --> 00:19:04,392 But how did joel transition from social outcast to killer? 267 00:19:23,237 --> 00:19:27,551 I first began interviewing joel rifkin in the late '90s 268 00:19:27,575 --> 00:19:30,637 'cause I wanted to know, how did joel learn 269 00:19:30,661 --> 00:19:33,754 To never raise any suspicions? 270 00:19:34,415 --> 00:19:36,152 As a cop, I've interviewed lots of people 271 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,561 That did really horrible things, 272 00:19:37,585 --> 00:19:40,156 But this guy was my college friend. 273 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:42,441 I never thought, "ah, I should have saw that. 274 00:19:42,465 --> 00:19:44,390 I should have noticed that." 275 00:19:45,468 --> 00:19:48,936 He told me in high school his life became hell. 276 00:19:51,357 --> 00:19:55,078 He felt as if the only people that noticed him 277 00:19:55,102 --> 00:19:56,694 Were the people that wanted to harm him. 278 00:20:11,327 --> 00:20:15,474 Where does that go psychologically? 279 00:20:15,498 --> 00:20:17,026 I'm sure you try to do something 280 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,853 To spare yourself further humiliation, 281 00:20:19,877 --> 00:20:21,980 Emotional pain. 282 00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:28,528 Joel went to great pains in his private life 283 00:20:28,552 --> 00:20:31,114 To make people not see him 284 00:20:31,138 --> 00:20:33,898 And to be invisible while being in plain sight. 285 00:20:37,853 --> 00:20:40,499 Joel told me when he was going through puberty, 286 00:20:40,523 --> 00:20:42,949 He first started to have psychosexual fantasies. 287 00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:47,495 There was an alfred hitchcock movie called "frenzy." 288 00:20:49,249 --> 00:20:53,220 Joel remembers being sexually fascinated 289 00:20:53,244 --> 00:20:55,639 With this scene 290 00:20:55,663 --> 00:20:58,422 Where a woman gets strangled with a tie. 291 00:21:26,068 --> 00:21:27,879 Fantasies are not a blueprint. 292 00:21:27,903 --> 00:21:31,425 They don't determine your life unless they do. 293 00:21:31,449 --> 00:21:33,844 In his particular case, 294 00:21:33,868 --> 00:21:37,431 His preoccupation with strangulation 295 00:21:37,455 --> 00:21:40,298 Did determine his life and his fate and his destiny. 296 00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:44,688 He was masturbating to thoughts 297 00:21:44,712 --> 00:21:46,398 Of having sex with women 298 00:21:46,422 --> 00:21:50,286 And ultimately killing them, 299 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:54,290 But he could just push it down at that point in his life. 300 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,907 He wanted to date. 301 00:21:55,931 --> 00:21:58,961 He just wasn't terribly successful with women. 302 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:02,956 Prostitutes not only provide that kind of sexual release, 303 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:04,875 But there's this illusion 304 00:22:04,899 --> 00:22:06,793 Of going out on a date with someone 305 00:22:06,817 --> 00:22:08,743 Or making this connection. 306 00:22:46,774 --> 00:22:52,745 ♪ ♪ 307 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,441 To his credit, joel's father never gave up on him, 308 00:23:11,465 --> 00:23:13,702 And he offered to send joel, 309 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,363 Who by then was in his late 20s, 310 00:23:16,387 --> 00:23:18,865 Back to college, and if he got two as, 311 00:23:18,889 --> 00:23:21,118 He would pay for a curriculum. 312 00:23:21,142 --> 00:23:24,713 He took a biology class and a botany class, 313 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,706 Which ultimately led to him 314 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:29,198 Starting his own landscaping business. 315 00:23:43,873 --> 00:23:45,308 Joel felt that he was just 316 00:23:45,332 --> 00:23:47,352 Gonna disappoint him one more time, 317 00:23:47,376 --> 00:23:49,738 But he got the two as. 318 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:53,692 Joel excitedly went to the hospital 319 00:23:53,716 --> 00:23:56,987 And thought his father would be very proud of him, 320 00:23:57,011 --> 00:23:59,061 But his father never got the news. 321 00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:19,935 His father's death really kind of blew the doors 322 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,126 Off of joel's emotional state. 323 00:24:23,954 --> 00:24:26,766 The desire to please his father kind of always been 324 00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:29,728 At the core of his emotional life, 325 00:24:29,752 --> 00:24:32,794 But with his father gone, that burden lifted. 326 00:24:35,132 --> 00:24:38,287 His mother was preoccupied with her life 327 00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:41,698 As she was getting older. It gave him the freedom to act 328 00:24:41,722 --> 00:24:44,431 On his worst impulses and fantasies. 329 00:24:48,479 --> 00:24:50,029 He lived for the nighttime. 330 00:24:52,816 --> 00:24:55,971 Driving through manhattan, through queens, 331 00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,996 And he would frequent all of the strolls. 332 00:25:26,475 --> 00:25:28,161 It became an addiction. 333 00:25:28,185 --> 00:25:32,007 Joel, who really was in charge of nothing in his real life, 334 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,511 Between his father and the bullying, 335 00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:39,464 He felt while he was having sex with prostitutes, 336 00:25:39,488 --> 00:25:40,955 He was in charge. 337 00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:04,990 He did hate himself and the addiction, 338 00:26:05,014 --> 00:26:07,492 But when he met these women, he projected... 339 00:26:07,516 --> 00:26:10,870 He took all that bad feeling about himself 340 00:26:10,894 --> 00:26:12,831 And gave it to them. 341 00:26:12,855 --> 00:26:15,375 He could look at them as lower and look at them 342 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:18,826 As somebody you don't respect and you don't have esteem for. 343 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:22,507 When I would talk to my folks, 344 00:26:22,531 --> 00:26:24,175 Invariably my parents would say, 345 00:26:24,199 --> 00:26:27,563 "well, joel doesn't seem to be holding a job. 346 00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:29,139 "We're afraid that he's going to cause jean 347 00:26:29,163 --> 00:26:30,807 To be out on the street," 348 00:26:30,831 --> 00:26:35,061 So my parents hired him to, like, trim the trees. 349 00:26:35,085 --> 00:26:36,844 He clearly had a different agenda. 350 00:26:37,713 --> 00:26:40,191 He's riding around all night looking for girls, 351 00:26:40,215 --> 00:26:43,486 So how is he gonna have energy to cut the trees? 352 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:46,437 In the end, we would see his tools out in the rain. 353 00:27:03,697 --> 00:27:08,770 In early 1989, about 2 years after his father's suicide, 354 00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,555 Joel decided to make 355 00:27:10,579 --> 00:27:12,880 His murderous fantasies a reality. 356 00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,911 Joel saw a woman named susie who he had been with before 357 00:27:32,935 --> 00:27:35,455 On the lower east side. 358 00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:37,154 In his mind, he's gonna go on a date with her. 359 00:27:40,317 --> 00:27:43,138 She agrees to go with joel 30 miles or so 360 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,799 To the long island home 361 00:27:45,823 --> 00:27:48,977 That he shares with his mother, 362 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:51,805 Where he can spend more time 363 00:27:51,829 --> 00:27:54,421 Than just a usual encounter on the street. 364 00:27:54,998 --> 00:27:56,256 His mother was away. 365 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,397 They wind up having sex on the couch. 366 00:28:00,421 --> 00:28:02,429 She falls asleep. 367 00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:07,237 He's annoyed that she's not paying him more attention. 368 00:28:07,261 --> 00:28:10,281 At some point, she wakes up. She immediately wants drugs. 369 00:28:10,305 --> 00:28:14,285 Joel, at this point, is exasperated with her, 370 00:28:14,309 --> 00:28:17,778 And he impulsively just starts hitting her on the head. 371 00:28:56,852 --> 00:28:58,955 As a cop, sometimes you can sense 372 00:28:58,979 --> 00:29:00,716 That people are relishing 373 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:04,294 Telling you about their antics, 374 00:29:04,318 --> 00:29:06,463 But joel was so unemotional about this 375 00:29:06,487 --> 00:29:07,714 And so matter of fact. 376 00:29:07,738 --> 00:29:10,008 There was this complete disconnect 377 00:29:10,032 --> 00:29:11,331 From reality. 378 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,355 I didn't want him to think anything he was telling me 379 00:29:24,379 --> 00:29:26,357 Shocked me, 380 00:29:26,381 --> 00:29:30,392 So I was trying to maintain my own sort of monotone. 381 00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,545 He was so dispassionate about it. 382 00:29:47,569 --> 00:29:49,214 Didn't seem to faze him in the least. 383 00:29:49,238 --> 00:29:51,433 He didn't seem to be getting any pleasure 384 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:53,101 From telling me this, 385 00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,427 And he didn't seem to mind 386 00:29:54,451 --> 00:29:55,709 What my opinion would be of him. 387 00:30:18,267 --> 00:30:22,130 He threw some of her body parts 388 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:24,207 Into one of the rivers in manhattan, 389 00:30:24,231 --> 00:30:26,417 And he took the head, 390 00:30:26,441 --> 00:30:29,993 And he discarded that in new jersey at a golf course. 391 00:30:31,947 --> 00:30:34,551 The first kill is always significant. 392 00:30:34,575 --> 00:30:36,478 Being comfortable with murdering someone 393 00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:39,722 Is a massive psychological leap, 394 00:30:39,746 --> 00:30:42,600 And now you've crossed that rubicon 395 00:30:42,624 --> 00:30:44,958 From fantasy to reality. 396 00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:48,314 There was nothing to hold him back. 397 00:30:48,338 --> 00:30:50,900 ♪ ♪ 398 00:30:50,924 --> 00:30:54,496 A golfer was at the the hopewell valley country club. 399 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,833 He had hooked his ball into the woods 400 00:30:57,857 --> 00:30:59,815 And discovered a human head. 401 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:02,996 Joel is convinced at that point 402 00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:04,111 That he was gonna get caught. 403 00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:23,308 After joel rifkin committed this first murder 404 00:31:23,332 --> 00:31:25,435 And disposed of the body, 405 00:31:25,459 --> 00:31:28,104 The head of this victim, 406 00:31:28,128 --> 00:31:32,942 Poor susie, was found pretty quickly. 407 00:31:32,966 --> 00:31:35,653 It was a cold, overcast day. 408 00:31:35,677 --> 00:31:40,825 It was shortly after a major rainstorm. 409 00:31:40,849 --> 00:31:43,286 A golfer was at the hopewell valley country club. 410 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:46,882 He was on the seventh hole. 411 00:31:46,906 --> 00:31:50,293 He had hooked his ball into the woods. 412 00:31:50,317 --> 00:31:54,394 He went into retrieve his ball and discovered a human head. 413 00:31:57,366 --> 00:31:59,844 I arrived in the golf course. 414 00:31:59,868 --> 00:32:02,513 It drops down maybe 10 to 15 feet 415 00:32:02,537 --> 00:32:06,351 To, like, a small creek, 416 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:09,509 And there you can see a severed head. 417 00:32:10,212 --> 00:32:11,907 New york at that time, in the '80s, 418 00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:15,243 Had a tremendous amount of unidentified deceased persons, 419 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,320 But it was quite the shock because we've only had 420 00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:20,395 A few homicides in hopewell over the last 3 or 4 decades. 421 00:32:21,598 --> 00:32:23,159 All the teeth were removed, 422 00:32:23,183 --> 00:32:24,691 With the exception of four teeth. 423 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,872 The jaw was pretty much gone. 424 00:32:27,896 --> 00:32:29,707 It was clearly a female 425 00:32:29,731 --> 00:32:32,032 By the hair and the eyes and the facial features. 426 00:32:33,568 --> 00:32:35,546 We did an intensive search of the area. 427 00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,600 We were hoping to find additional body parts 428 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:42,542 Or some physical evidence. We found nothing. 429 00:32:43,412 --> 00:32:45,348 We really had no other evidence to go on 430 00:32:45,372 --> 00:32:47,442 Other than the physical head. 431 00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,893 Not having a name means 432 00:32:48,917 --> 00:32:50,895 We can't even pursue dental records. 433 00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:52,355 It then became a question 434 00:32:52,379 --> 00:32:54,565 On whether the homicide occurred in hopewell, 435 00:32:54,589 --> 00:32:56,807 Or was just this an alternate crime scene? 436 00:32:59,428 --> 00:33:03,366 Not long after dumping, susie's head was discovered, 437 00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:05,899 And joel heard a report about this on the radio. 438 00:33:07,394 --> 00:33:08,913 He remembers thinking, 439 00:33:08,937 --> 00:33:10,289 "I went through all these efforts," 440 00:33:10,313 --> 00:33:14,085 To cut the body up into as many parts as he could 441 00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:18,412 And discard them in different places to stay invisible. 442 00:33:19,239 --> 00:33:21,623 He was convinced at that point that he was gonna get caught. 443 00:33:44,931 --> 00:33:47,618 About a month after we found the severed head, 444 00:33:47,642 --> 00:33:50,079 We received a call from jefferson township 445 00:33:50,103 --> 00:33:52,790 In morris county, new jersey. 446 00:33:52,814 --> 00:33:54,584 It was opening day of trout season. 447 00:33:54,608 --> 00:33:58,680 That's when fishermen found two legs in a creek 448 00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:02,467 Right off of an interstate. They looked like female legs. 449 00:34:02,491 --> 00:34:05,136 Dna was taken from her head and the legs, 450 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,023 And they were confirmed to be a match. 451 00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:11,048 But still, we were unable to identify her. 452 00:34:35,023 --> 00:34:37,218 The guys that commit serial murders... you know, 453 00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,170 They're essentially living in their heads. 454 00:34:39,194 --> 00:34:44,509 For a moment, you are god because you have the ability 455 00:34:44,533 --> 00:34:46,041 To let someone live or die. 456 00:34:56,336 --> 00:34:58,907 Even when you let someone live and don't kill them 457 00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,651 But thought about it, there's a high there, too. 458 00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:03,820 You made a godlike decision. 459 00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:06,989 You knew, having killed other people, 460 00:35:07,013 --> 00:35:08,605 That you could've easily killed that person. 461 00:35:10,684 --> 00:35:12,829 One thing that joel was able to appreciate 462 00:35:12,853 --> 00:35:15,665 After susie's head was found 463 00:35:15,689 --> 00:35:20,878 Was the fact that she was never identified, 464 00:35:20,902 --> 00:35:24,037 So his efforts at concealment actually worked. 465 00:35:25,907 --> 00:35:28,344 He experienced with this murder 466 00:35:28,368 --> 00:35:29,887 The greatest success of his life. 467 00:35:29,911 --> 00:35:32,723 He fulfilled lifelong fantasy. 468 00:35:32,747 --> 00:35:34,517 He did it. He got away with it. 469 00:35:34,541 --> 00:35:36,611 He got pleasure from it. 470 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:40,262 It was a thunderous success in his mind. 471 00:35:42,549 --> 00:35:44,786 Those desires were reactivated. 472 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,893 It's time to go out and try this again. 473 00:36:10,118 --> 00:36:13,097 He did not strike again until the fall of 1990. 474 00:36:13,121 --> 00:36:14,432 Like victim number one, 475 00:36:14,456 --> 00:36:16,089 She's picked up on the lower east side. 476 00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:23,107 They have sex in his childhood bed, 477 00:36:23,131 --> 00:36:25,902 And in the morning, she promises more sex 478 00:36:25,926 --> 00:36:27,111 For more drugs, 479 00:36:27,135 --> 00:36:29,614 But he's unable to get her money. 480 00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:33,284 She's complaining, and impulsively, 481 00:36:33,308 --> 00:36:35,170 He picks up a table leg 482 00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:38,414 That's laying around the house, 483 00:36:38,438 --> 00:36:40,499 And he just starts bashing her over the head 484 00:36:40,523 --> 00:36:42,157 With the table leg. 485 00:36:44,819 --> 00:36:48,183 This time, he used a little different mo. 486 00:36:48,207 --> 00:36:51,499 He went out and bought cement and tarps. 487 00:37:02,837 --> 00:37:05,483 He threw the concrete into a river, 488 00:37:05,507 --> 00:37:08,361 Which we know sinks to the bottom, 489 00:37:08,385 --> 00:37:10,310 Never to be found. 490 00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:14,492 That was probably because he was determined never to repeat 491 00:37:14,516 --> 00:37:16,327 What he thought was the big mistake 492 00:37:16,351 --> 00:37:18,621 Of his first murder. 493 00:37:18,645 --> 00:37:22,822 He was improving his technique, so to speak. 494 00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:27,713 He was able to once again get away with that one, 495 00:37:27,737 --> 00:37:30,341 And after one more victim, 496 00:37:30,365 --> 00:37:36,973 Starts what he describes as his acceleration period, 497 00:37:36,997 --> 00:37:40,726 Where, in the space of, like, 1 or 1 1/2 months, 498 00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:43,918 He kills four women in rapid succession. 499 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,935 Joel's desire and ability to be invisible, 500 00:38:13,959 --> 00:38:17,388 Developed so successfully at a young age, 501 00:38:17,412 --> 00:38:21,589 Contributed greatly to his murderous life. 502 00:38:22,417 --> 00:38:25,563 The way he looked, as well as the way he acted 503 00:38:25,587 --> 00:38:28,116 And the ways he purposefully projected himself 504 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,735 Made him look completely harmless 505 00:38:30,759 --> 00:38:32,695 To the women that got into his car. 506 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,905 ♪ ♪ 507 00:38:34,929 --> 00:38:36,699 He looked like he could blend in 508 00:38:36,723 --> 00:38:39,035 In any crowd. 509 00:38:39,059 --> 00:38:42,747 The police that he encountered never would've taken him 510 00:38:42,771 --> 00:38:44,738 For being a danger to anybody. 511 00:38:45,482 --> 00:38:47,084 And since he was able to get away with killing 512 00:38:47,108 --> 00:38:50,087 His first couple victims, rifkin was very confident. 513 00:38:50,111 --> 00:38:52,798 If joel rifkin was feeling emboldened, 514 00:38:52,822 --> 00:38:54,289 Would this lead to his arrest? 515 00:39:12,467 --> 00:39:16,664 Joel rifkin had a right to feel confident 516 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,273 Of his first murders. 517 00:39:21,017 --> 00:39:26,841 Only the first murder of susie was a body part found, 518 00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:30,753 But even after they found this head, 519 00:39:30,777 --> 00:39:33,681 It was impossible for them to identify it. 520 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:36,133 We contacted frank bender in philadelphia, 521 00:39:36,157 --> 00:39:39,020 A well-known reconstruction individual in law enforcement, 522 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:42,807 Contracted him to do a reconstruction of the head. 523 00:39:42,831 --> 00:39:44,683 We knew she was a white female, 524 00:39:44,707 --> 00:39:46,769 Probably in her late teens 525 00:39:46,793 --> 00:39:49,052 Or early 20s, up to 30 years old. 526 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,608 She had a mole on her left chin. 527 00:39:52,632 --> 00:39:55,820 She had an old scar over her left eye. 528 00:39:55,844 --> 00:39:58,197 They did a full rendition of what they believed 529 00:39:58,221 --> 00:39:59,540 This person would've looked like. 530 00:39:59,564 --> 00:40:00,950 The head was completely intact. 531 00:40:00,974 --> 00:40:07,039 ♪ ♪ 532 00:40:07,063 --> 00:40:09,333 - It was put on the news. - It was put in the newspaper. 533 00:40:09,357 --> 00:40:11,190 It was sent to law enforcement. 534 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:15,723 They received thousands of missing-persons leads, 535 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,550 And none of them panned out. 536 00:40:17,574 --> 00:40:19,885 It was just kept as a cold case, unidentified. 537 00:40:19,909 --> 00:40:22,085 The person who did it was still out there. 538 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:28,018 Initially, joel perpetrated these crimes at home. 539 00:40:28,042 --> 00:40:32,898 He felt comfortable there when his mother would go away, 540 00:40:32,922 --> 00:40:36,891 But in 1991, he seems ready to get out of his comfort zone. 541 00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:43,909 He kills in a public place, 542 00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:47,079 A local motel on long island. 543 00:40:47,103 --> 00:40:49,446 The next murders are all committed in his car. 544 00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,201 Joel had learned to be invisible at a young age. 545 00:40:56,571 --> 00:40:58,766 Because of this, he just got better at killing, you know? 546 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,707 He was really a killing machine. 547 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,412 Victim number six he killed in his car 548 00:41:28,436 --> 00:41:31,040 And then drove to an industrial area 549 00:41:31,064 --> 00:41:33,281 Up around northern manhattan. 550 00:41:33,942 --> 00:41:36,212 He drives off the road a little bit, 551 00:41:36,236 --> 00:41:38,881 Treks through a little wooded area, 552 00:41:38,905 --> 00:41:41,258 Dumps the body into a waterway, 553 00:41:41,282 --> 00:41:43,658 And when he's walking back to his car... 554 00:41:45,453 --> 00:41:48,641 He sees cops coming towards him. 555 00:41:48,665 --> 00:41:51,591 He hears their radios. He sees the flashlight. 556 00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:56,157 He summoned up from his long background 557 00:41:56,181 --> 00:41:58,826 Of knowing how to avoid conflict 558 00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,017 A clever, clever lie. 559 00:42:02,136 --> 00:42:04,240 He immediately picks up something from the ground, 560 00:42:04,264 --> 00:42:06,992 An auto part, and before the cops 561 00:42:07,016 --> 00:42:08,669 Have an opportunity to say anything, 562 00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,829 He says, "I'm not auto-stripping. 563 00:42:10,853 --> 00:42:12,237 I'm just scavenging." 564 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:16,177 Rifkin stayed really cool and really calm. 565 00:42:16,201 --> 00:42:17,962 He had his wits about him 566 00:42:17,986 --> 00:42:21,423 And could literally be dumping a victim into the river 567 00:42:21,447 --> 00:42:23,373 And simply talk his way out. 568 00:42:24,492 --> 00:42:28,689 That reflects the psychopathic dimensions of who he was. 569 00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:31,308 The average person would most likely flip out. 570 00:42:31,332 --> 00:42:34,144 The police gave him a warning, 571 00:42:34,168 --> 00:42:37,031 So he was able to get away with that one 572 00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:40,868 And dodge that bullet. 573 00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:45,531 Victim number six to this day has not been identified. 574 00:42:45,555 --> 00:42:47,366 Had those cops maybe looked a little further, 575 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:49,377 They would've found that body, 576 00:42:49,401 --> 00:42:51,379 And things would've turned out different 577 00:42:51,403 --> 00:42:53,789 For many of the women. 578 00:42:53,813 --> 00:42:56,884 Instead, joel felt on top of the world. 579 00:42:56,908 --> 00:43:00,546 He outsmarted the police, and that incident made him 580 00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,058 Feel much more confident of not getting caught. 581 00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:08,220 Joel was very aware not only of his ability 582 00:43:08,244 --> 00:43:11,056 To be unnoticed by others, 583 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,476 But also by the work 584 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:18,397 That he had put into cultivating that ability, 585 00:43:18,421 --> 00:43:21,817 And he seems to relish in that anonymity. 586 00:43:21,841 --> 00:43:28,032 ♪ ♪ 587 00:43:28,056 --> 00:43:33,162 His choice in women also helped joel stay anonymous. 588 00:43:33,186 --> 00:43:37,091 Most of the women that he would look at fell victim to drugs, 589 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,917 Like so many other people in that era, 590 00:43:38,941 --> 00:43:40,950 And wound up on the streets. 591 00:43:41,527 --> 00:43:43,922 Quite often, nobody knows their real names. 592 00:43:43,946 --> 00:43:45,924 They have no ties to the community. 593 00:43:45,948 --> 00:43:47,885 They're easy targets. 594 00:43:47,909 --> 00:43:49,219 Quite a few of the victims 595 00:43:49,243 --> 00:43:51,930 Had not even been reported missing. 596 00:43:51,954 --> 00:43:53,713 Lorraine orvieto was different. 597 00:43:55,708 --> 00:43:57,269 Lorraine was my first cousin. 598 00:43:57,293 --> 00:43:59,730 She went missing when she was 28. 599 00:43:59,754 --> 00:44:01,440 Her family spent a lot of time, 600 00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,610 You know, trying to find her. She was a missing person. 601 00:44:04,634 --> 00:44:08,289 My aunt wrote letters, made a million phone calls 602 00:44:08,313 --> 00:44:13,077 To hospitals and morgues all over long island, 603 00:44:13,101 --> 00:44:15,630 Looking at pictures, even looking at a body, 604 00:44:15,654 --> 00:44:19,133 And they came up with nothing. 605 00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:21,627 It was very surreal 606 00:44:21,651 --> 00:44:25,328 To just have a family member completely disappear. 607 00:44:28,667 --> 00:44:30,969 Lorraine was like a sister to me growing up. 608 00:44:30,993 --> 00:44:33,920 She was always very loving, very generous. 609 00:44:34,747 --> 00:44:38,049 She just had so much vigor, so much life. 610 00:44:39,844 --> 00:44:41,647 She wanted to be an accountant. 611 00:44:41,671 --> 00:44:44,472 I think she knew very clearly what she wanted in her life. 612 00:44:45,007 --> 00:44:47,266 Unfortunately, some things got in the way. 613 00:44:47,802 --> 00:44:50,656 I remember lorraine's frustration at struggling 614 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,741 To pass the cpa exam. 615 00:44:52,765 --> 00:44:55,441 She tried twice, but she couldn't pass this test. 616 00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:59,195 She was really deflated. 617 00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:05,504 At the same point, she had been admitted to the hospital. 618 00:45:05,528 --> 00:45:08,799 Lorraine needed a blood transfusion for a surgery. 619 00:45:08,823 --> 00:45:11,009 She had to remove a very large fibroid, 620 00:45:11,033 --> 00:45:15,356 And they had just started checking the blood in 1985, 621 00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:17,525 When she had her transfusion. 622 00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:20,695 She did develop hiv, 623 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,094 Which eventually became full-blown aids. 624 00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:26,692 I remember going to the hospital 625 00:45:26,716 --> 00:45:28,110 To visit lorraine. 626 00:45:28,134 --> 00:45:32,039 She became too unstable to keep it together, 627 00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:35,042 And that just led to shady characters and drugs 628 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,899 And eventually going missing. 629 00:45:41,564 --> 00:45:44,051 Joel meets lorraine orvieto, 630 00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,886 Picks her up in bay shore, long island, 631 00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,161 A once-affluent town. 632 00:46:17,058 --> 00:46:21,079 With lorraine orvieto, it was a circumstantial thing. 633 00:46:21,103 --> 00:46:24,082 He solicited this girl, 634 00:46:24,106 --> 00:46:27,711 And in the process of receiving sex from her, 635 00:46:27,735 --> 00:46:30,714 He did what he was already in the habit of doing. 636 00:46:30,738 --> 00:46:32,841 It's just habitual. 637 00:46:32,865 --> 00:46:36,929 After taking her life, he used a different mo. 638 00:46:36,953 --> 00:46:41,391 Lorraine orvieto is the first of several victims 639 00:46:41,415 --> 00:46:44,383 That he places in a 50-gallon drum. 640 00:46:51,634 --> 00:46:54,455 And that led to a very long year 641 00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:57,063 Of having no idea what happened to her. 642 00:47:03,437 --> 00:47:06,792 You have to wonder if joel ever took 643 00:47:06,816 --> 00:47:08,794 The lives of his victims 644 00:47:08,818 --> 00:47:11,077 Or their loved ones into consideration. 645 00:47:12,154 --> 00:47:15,217 Even though lorraine orvieto was reported missing, 646 00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:17,978 Her body was not immediately discovered, 647 00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:21,265 So joel became so confident 648 00:47:21,289 --> 00:47:23,725 That he started to get 649 00:47:23,749 --> 00:47:25,820 These feelings of invincibility 650 00:47:25,844 --> 00:47:30,429 That he couldn't be caught. Will anyone ever take notice? 651 00:47:47,523 --> 00:47:50,919 Lorraine orvieto was joel rifkin's seventh victim. 652 00:47:50,943 --> 00:47:53,964 About 7 months later, her body was discovered, 653 00:47:53,988 --> 00:47:57,039 But at that time, it was never identified. 654 00:47:57,992 --> 00:48:01,856 Joel was emboldened by the fact 655 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,213 That he had gotten away with this for this long. 656 00:48:06,334 --> 00:48:08,028 Joel was getting a little more careless. 657 00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:10,939 He picks up iris sanchez 658 00:48:10,963 --> 00:48:13,609 On the lower east side during the day, 659 00:48:13,633 --> 00:48:17,863 Which was unusual for joel up until this point, 660 00:48:17,887 --> 00:48:20,198 Strangles her during sex. 661 00:48:20,222 --> 00:48:22,042 After he killed her, 662 00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:24,567 He drove her out near kennedy airport. 663 00:48:41,535 --> 00:48:43,230 He picked this woman up during the day. 664 00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:45,065 He killed her during the day, 665 00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:47,893 And he dumped her body carelessly 666 00:48:47,917 --> 00:48:49,926 Under a mattress during the day. 667 00:48:51,545 --> 00:48:54,691 I asked if there was any specific trigger 668 00:48:54,715 --> 00:48:58,913 As to why the ones that were killed were, 669 00:48:58,937 --> 00:49:01,749 And he said it was the ripe opportunity 670 00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:04,159 Where there was very little chance of getting caught, 671 00:49:04,183 --> 00:49:06,517 But that didn't seem to matter anymore. 672 00:49:09,563 --> 00:49:12,426 He killed her and just wanted to get rid of the body 673 00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:14,659 And did so in the most expeditious manner. 674 00:49:19,865 --> 00:49:24,054 This just fed, added to his sense of power, 675 00:49:24,078 --> 00:49:26,390 Potency, success, 676 00:49:26,414 --> 00:49:29,726 And the amazing thing was, as brazen as he was getting, 677 00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:31,520 This was completely under the radar. 678 00:49:31,544 --> 00:49:33,052 No one knew. 679 00:49:42,888 --> 00:49:44,625 In the early '90s, I wasn't living 680 00:49:44,649 --> 00:49:46,627 At my parents' house anymore, 681 00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:49,871 But I was visiting them, you know, all the time, 682 00:49:49,895 --> 00:49:51,707 And I'd see joel outside and be like, 683 00:49:51,731 --> 00:49:54,418 "hey, man. How's it going? What are you up to?" 684 00:49:54,442 --> 00:49:56,650 I had no idea what was going on. 685 00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:02,309 At this point, I was already with my band, 686 00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:03,719 The new york ska-jazz ensemble. 687 00:50:03,743 --> 00:50:05,053 I had, like, a local gig. 688 00:50:05,077 --> 00:50:07,556 I was walking with my horn 689 00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:11,485 Just somewhere down in the village near the club, 690 00:50:11,509 --> 00:50:14,822 And I see joel in a car. 691 00:50:14,846 --> 00:50:18,650 Oh, there's a girl with him, so in my mind, I'm thinking, 692 00:50:18,674 --> 00:50:20,610 "haven't really seen him with too many girls." 693 00:50:20,634 --> 00:50:22,904 I'm not going to interrupt, and I'm just going to be like, 694 00:50:22,928 --> 00:50:24,781 You know, "hey, bro. How you doing? 695 00:50:24,805 --> 00:50:28,357 Oh, yeah. Just did a show. All right. See you soon." 696 00:50:30,603 --> 00:50:33,173 After it all went down, it occurred to me 697 00:50:33,197 --> 00:50:34,958 That the woman I saw in the car 698 00:50:34,982 --> 00:50:37,002 Might have be one of those women he strangled. 699 00:50:37,026 --> 00:50:39,118 That's a tough one to wrap your head around. 700 00:50:56,712 --> 00:50:59,700 On the one hand, joel rifkin despised these women 701 00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:01,651 Because they represented to him 702 00:51:01,675 --> 00:51:03,987 Exactly what he thought about himself, 703 00:51:04,011 --> 00:51:08,658 But I think a guy that's not successful socially 704 00:51:08,682 --> 00:51:12,546 Is very responsive to somebody who's nice to him, 705 00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:16,216 So it was a very unique experience to him, 706 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,700 And he would form little micro relationships. 707 00:51:33,499 --> 00:51:40,074 ♪ ♪ 708 00:51:40,098 --> 00:51:44,069 I played quarterback for myers park high school. 709 00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:46,863 Catherine was the head cheerleader on the squad 710 00:51:46,887 --> 00:51:49,157 That was our cross-town rivals, 711 00:51:49,181 --> 00:51:50,992 So we had the quarterback of one high school 712 00:51:51,016 --> 00:51:53,370 Dating the cheerleader of the cross-town rival, 713 00:51:53,394 --> 00:51:55,997 So it kind of bred a little bit of notoriety 714 00:51:56,021 --> 00:51:57,749 For us as a couple. 715 00:51:57,773 --> 00:52:00,491 Her family was well off. Her father was a dentist. 716 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,549 Catherine had this tremendous, charismatic energy about her 717 00:52:05,573 --> 00:52:07,039 And a tremendous confidence. 718 00:52:21,922 --> 00:52:24,192 Catherine broke up with me in high school, 719 00:52:24,216 --> 00:52:26,611 So I would see her on national television. 720 00:52:26,635 --> 00:52:29,979 Catherine was sort of the top of the pyramid type of girl. 721 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:33,910 I heard through the grapevine, through some friends, 722 00:52:33,934 --> 00:52:35,203 That she moved to new york... 723 00:52:35,227 --> 00:52:38,028 And completely lost touch with catherine. 724 00:52:39,148 --> 00:52:41,969 And then I met her again. 725 00:52:41,993 --> 00:52:43,742 I went to the methodist church. 726 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,140 I looked up there, 727 00:52:46,164 --> 00:52:49,540 And there she stood, catherine williams. 728 00:52:51,118 --> 00:52:53,555 When everyone was quiet, she just turned around. 729 00:52:53,579 --> 00:52:55,421 She looked right at me. Bang. 730 00:52:56,174 --> 00:52:58,318 I knew at that moment that I was going to marry her. 731 00:52:58,342 --> 00:52:59,842 I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. 732 00:53:02,588 --> 00:53:05,233 At that moment, she knew it too, and she goes, 733 00:53:05,257 --> 00:53:08,829 "well, I know of a justice of the peace down the road. 734 00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:10,060 Let's go tomorrow." 735 00:53:11,355 --> 00:53:15,107 We got married without anybody knowing. 736 00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:24,845 We began to have parties that were filled with drugs, 737 00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,702 Dangerous parties. 738 00:53:27,363 --> 00:53:30,080 I can't imagine, in the 1980s, you hadn't done any cocaine. 739 00:53:32,201 --> 00:53:36,014 Very quickly, that just spun way out of control. 740 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:38,266 It got really frightening, 741 00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:40,602 And I just said, "we're gonna die. 742 00:53:40,626 --> 00:53:42,020 "You need to go back home to your family, 743 00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:44,053 And I need to go back to my family." 744 00:53:47,174 --> 00:53:48,869 She finally decided 745 00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:50,704 That she wanted to go back to new york. 746 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,864 She had a support system up there, 747 00:53:52,888 --> 00:53:55,325 And so I put her on a plane. She, you know, took off. 748 00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:56,868 That was the period of time 749 00:53:56,892 --> 00:53:58,484 Where we just both kind of let the dust settle. 750 00:54:03,482 --> 00:54:05,385 But I was still married to catherine. 751 00:54:05,409 --> 00:54:07,170 I was in love with catherine. 752 00:54:07,194 --> 00:54:09,389 After several months, she said, 753 00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:11,508 "well, I'm coming back to get you. 754 00:54:11,532 --> 00:54:13,176 Don't move. I'm coming." 755 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,896 So three days, nothing. 756 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,879 Five days, nothing. Seven days, nothing. 757 00:54:21,592 --> 00:54:24,354 The incident with catherine williams 758 00:54:24,378 --> 00:54:27,074 I thought was particularly curious 759 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,401 Because joel had said 760 00:54:29,425 --> 00:54:32,309 That he had been with her numerous times in the past. 761 00:54:46,608 --> 00:54:50,046 Catherine was known for walking around with a suitcase 762 00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:53,258 In which she carried so many of her possessions, 763 00:54:53,282 --> 00:54:56,333 Including pictures of her football player husband. 764 00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,613 As a cheerleader and a homecoming queen, 765 00:55:15,637 --> 00:55:20,744 Mary catherine was the symbol and the reality of the girl 766 00:55:20,768 --> 00:55:22,704 Not only that he could never get, 767 00:55:22,728 --> 00:55:26,249 But the girl who chose the bullies, 768 00:55:26,273 --> 00:55:30,587 So she was a symbol of everything that he hated, 769 00:55:30,611 --> 00:55:32,411 That he was envious of. 770 00:55:32,988 --> 00:55:36,760 The fact that she was married to a standout football player, 771 00:55:36,784 --> 00:55:38,261 She might have mentioned 772 00:55:38,285 --> 00:55:40,055 That she was getting the money to go back 773 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,130 And bring him to new york. That could've set joel off. 774 00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:47,154 When she was in that car with him 775 00:55:47,178 --> 00:55:52,159 Was the very time frame I was waiting for her to come, 776 00:55:52,183 --> 00:55:55,184 And that was the moment that she died. 777 00:55:56,136 --> 00:55:58,312 Rifkin continued killing, and he got away with it. 778 00:56:17,116 --> 00:56:21,460 Mary catherine was rifkin's 13th victim. 779 00:56:21,995 --> 00:56:24,974 Joel was quite confident that she would never be discovered 780 00:56:24,998 --> 00:56:27,361 Because he had been successful before. 781 00:56:27,385 --> 00:56:32,148 Other bodies were found but never identified, 782 00:56:32,172 --> 00:56:34,306 And no one was looking for joel rifkin. 783 00:56:36,468 --> 00:56:38,538 We just didn't have the technology we have now. 784 00:56:38,562 --> 00:56:40,782 Law enforcement is much more efficient now. 785 00:56:40,806 --> 00:56:44,285 Rifkin was so clever in where he picked them up, 786 00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:47,330 How he picked them up, and where he killed them 787 00:56:47,354 --> 00:56:49,666 And how he disposed of them that it was 788 00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:52,293 Virtually impossible for law enforcement 789 00:56:52,317 --> 00:56:54,671 To put this together. 790 00:56:54,695 --> 00:56:56,131 He's dumping these bodies 791 00:56:56,155 --> 00:56:58,664 In nine or ten different jurisdictions. 792 00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,511 There was absolutely no reason why joel rifkin 793 00:57:01,535 --> 00:57:03,638 Should've been on any of our radar, 794 00:57:03,662 --> 00:57:06,975 But leah evans stands out because she exemplifies 795 00:57:06,999 --> 00:57:10,175 Just how brazen and careless joel was getting. 796 00:57:12,087 --> 00:57:16,693 Leah was sweet to the point of really not having 797 00:57:16,717 --> 00:57:19,237 A malignant bone in her body. 798 00:57:19,261 --> 00:57:21,990 Leah evans went to sarah lawrence college 799 00:57:22,014 --> 00:57:25,252 And seemed to be on track, at least after college, 800 00:57:25,276 --> 00:57:26,870 To having a very bright future. 801 00:57:26,894 --> 00:57:30,081 It was a very distinctly privileged school, 802 00:57:30,105 --> 00:57:33,251 And leah didn't come from that kind of wealth, 803 00:57:33,275 --> 00:57:34,928 So she felt, I think, 804 00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,035 Somewhat alienated from the culture there. 805 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:42,552 Leah's drug use started during her college years. 806 00:57:42,576 --> 00:57:43,887 It was the '80s. 807 00:57:43,911 --> 00:57:46,055 There were drugs kind of everywhere, 808 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,338 And that's when I discovered leah really had a disease. 809 00:57:50,209 --> 00:57:53,521 She would be gone for days on end. 810 00:57:53,545 --> 00:57:55,857 We all knew that this addiction was spiraling. 811 00:57:55,881 --> 00:57:57,389 It was terrifying to the people who loved her. 812 00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:08,578 ♪ ♪ 813 00:58:08,602 --> 00:58:10,079 I have a beautiful memory of leah 814 00:58:10,103 --> 00:58:12,248 Arriving at my apartment. 815 00:58:12,272 --> 00:58:16,085 We were just 23, and she had her beautiful son, julian, 816 00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:18,138 And she was so proud 817 00:58:18,162 --> 00:58:19,870 And asked me to be his godmother. 818 00:58:21,281 --> 00:58:24,811 She just was not present any more in her body. 819 00:58:24,835 --> 00:58:26,763 The ravages of heroin addiction 820 00:58:26,787 --> 00:58:29,057 Are really profound. 821 00:58:29,081 --> 00:58:32,101 She became homeless. 822 00:58:32,125 --> 00:58:33,967 No one ever saw her again. 823 00:58:59,987 --> 00:59:05,927 It is impossible for me to digest the scene. 824 00:59:05,951 --> 00:59:07,637 In this case, leah said no. 825 00:59:07,661 --> 00:59:09,180 It seems to have triggered something in him 826 00:59:09,204 --> 00:59:11,871 That made him feel she should die. 827 00:59:14,876 --> 00:59:19,816 ♪ ♪ 828 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,486 Joel rifkin dug a very shallow grave 829 00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:25,310 Out in the eastern end of long island. 830 00:59:47,492 --> 00:59:48,720 Some people who were out looking, you know, 831 00:59:48,744 --> 00:59:50,471 For flowers or something, 832 00:59:50,495 --> 00:59:52,515 And they saw the hand sticking up out of the ground, 833 00:59:52,539 --> 00:59:55,018 And that's how that body was found. 834 00:59:55,042 --> 00:59:58,510 Soon thereafter, the body was the first one to be identified. 835 01:00:13,685 --> 01:00:18,258 Leah's hand eerily sticking out of the shallow grave 836 01:00:18,282 --> 01:00:21,210 Was extremely sloppy. 837 01:00:21,234 --> 01:00:25,715 His cloak of invisibility was slipping. 838 01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:29,052 That's a very serious error for somebody 839 01:00:29,076 --> 01:00:31,585 Who was so meticulous to have committed. 840 01:01:31,805 --> 01:01:33,991 It was light out, and there were going to be commuters, 841 01:01:34,015 --> 01:01:35,502 People going to work, 842 01:01:35,526 --> 01:01:37,954 Figuring, "I can't dispose her body right here," 843 01:01:37,978 --> 01:01:39,956 So he put newspapers all over the body 844 01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:41,841 So that if anybody did look inside, 845 01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,615 They wouldn't see the body. 846 01:01:55,546 --> 01:01:56,806 So he wound up taking her 847 01:01:56,830 --> 01:01:59,434 Back to his house in long island 848 01:01:59,458 --> 01:02:01,425 Where he lived with his mom and his sister. 849 01:02:04,337 --> 01:02:07,817 His mother greeted him angrily. 850 01:02:07,841 --> 01:02:09,527 She needed the car because she had an errand 851 01:02:09,551 --> 01:02:11,988 She had to run right away. 852 01:02:12,012 --> 01:02:15,032 He doesn't panic, and he says, "okay, mom," 853 01:02:15,056 --> 01:02:17,377 Hands over the keys to the mother, 854 01:02:17,401 --> 01:02:20,547 Who goes out and runs her errand for an hour or so, 855 01:02:20,571 --> 01:02:25,168 And his mother brings the car back unknowing 856 01:02:25,192 --> 01:02:27,503 That there's a body in the trunk, 857 01:02:27,527 --> 01:02:31,391 At which point joel moves the body into the garage, 858 01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:35,667 Where it lays for a couple of days in the stifling heat. 859 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:39,974 Rifkin then spent the rest of the weekend with the body 860 01:02:39,998 --> 01:02:43,686 Decaying in his garage, working on two trucks, 861 01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:45,510 Changing an engine from one into another. 862 01:02:47,339 --> 01:02:49,075 He doesn't move her out until Sunday night 863 01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:50,985 Into Monday morning. 864 01:02:51,009 --> 01:02:53,154 It's, like, 96 hours where he's held onto this victim, 865 01:02:53,178 --> 01:02:55,103 So the odor was overpowering. 866 01:02:55,889 --> 01:02:57,742 Rifkin waited until it was nighttime. 867 01:02:57,766 --> 01:02:59,524 Nobody was watching. 868 01:03:01,853 --> 01:03:05,155 He took the body, put it in one of the pickup trucks. 869 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,086 Rifkin then drove on to the state parkway, 870 01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:11,703 Where the state police try to pull rifkin over. 871 01:03:14,407 --> 01:03:17,042 Joel rifkin made a fatal mistake. 872 01:03:17,744 --> 01:03:21,254 Instead of pulling over, he accelerated. 873 01:03:21,957 --> 01:03:24,393 - He lost it. - There was panic. 874 01:03:24,417 --> 01:03:26,635 He didn't behave rationally. 875 01:03:28,421 --> 01:03:32,193 There's no way that he could've outrun the state trooper 876 01:03:32,217 --> 01:03:34,237 In a beat-up truck. 877 01:03:34,261 --> 01:03:37,771 Ultimately he was exposed, became visible. 878 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,204 Joel rifkin had asked me why he was being stopped, 879 01:03:43,228 --> 01:03:44,914 And I said, 880 01:03:44,938 --> 01:03:47,197 "because you didn't have a license plate on your car." 881 01:03:47,991 --> 01:03:51,535 And he always responded, "it's always a ¢25 part." 882 01:03:53,905 --> 01:03:55,550 If there was a license plate, 883 01:03:55,574 --> 01:03:57,811 Would there have been another reason to stop him? 884 01:03:57,835 --> 01:03:59,209 I don't know. 885 01:04:15,594 --> 01:04:18,406 As he was being interviewed, I was on the other side, 886 01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:20,116 Listening to the discussion 887 01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:24,287 With a nassau county homicide detective, 888 01:04:24,311 --> 01:04:26,172 And he looks at me. He's like, "hey, kid. 889 01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:28,113 Let me tell you something. This guy has done this before." 890 01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:33,012 Everyone in that room was wondering, 891 01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:34,953 How many more victims did this guy have? 892 01:04:36,698 --> 01:04:39,165 Then he asked for, you know, a pen and a piece of paper. 893 01:04:41,369 --> 01:04:45,308 He wrote down the victims in reverse chronological order 894 01:04:45,332 --> 01:04:47,215 Starting with 17. 895 01:04:48,335 --> 01:04:52,481 Went from a simple car stop to a dead body 896 01:04:52,505 --> 01:04:55,682 To "what if there's more?" to now there's 17. 897 01:04:59,638 --> 01:05:01,657 Rifkin's bedroom was 898 01:05:01,681 --> 01:05:03,200 A crime scene technician's nightmare. 899 01:05:03,224 --> 01:05:04,702 Once we opened that door, 900 01:05:04,726 --> 01:05:06,495 We knew we found the rosetta stone. 901 01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,486 There was clothing, jewelry. 902 01:05:32,587 --> 01:05:34,899 Joel rifkin was caught with a dead body 903 01:05:34,923 --> 01:05:37,360 In the back of his car. 904 01:05:37,384 --> 01:05:39,028 And then rifkin told the police 905 01:05:39,052 --> 01:05:41,227 About 16 other women that he had killed. 906 01:05:43,348 --> 01:05:46,035 We wanted to prove what joel was telling us was true. 907 01:05:46,059 --> 01:05:47,703 He told us about the leah evans case, 908 01:05:47,727 --> 01:05:49,038 But that was also in the newspaper, 909 01:05:49,062 --> 01:05:51,071 So he could've read that. 910 01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:55,711 At which time he starts giving details 911 01:05:55,735 --> 01:06:00,591 On all 17 of these homicides, what they look like, 912 01:06:00,615 --> 01:06:04,709 What he did with the body, just off the top of his head. 913 01:06:06,204 --> 01:06:07,682 There was a certain part 914 01:06:07,706 --> 01:06:10,351 Of his confession that was bragging. 915 01:06:10,375 --> 01:06:13,521 You know, joel had been picked on for years 916 01:06:13,545 --> 01:06:17,450 And not looked at as somebody that had any talent, 917 01:06:17,474 --> 01:06:19,068 And I think this was his opportunity 918 01:06:19,092 --> 01:06:21,070 To tell people that, "you're wrong. 919 01:06:21,094 --> 01:06:22,738 "I'm really smart. I'm capable, 920 01:06:22,762 --> 01:06:24,688 And look at what I did." 921 01:06:26,307 --> 01:06:30,913 The braggadocio sets in and him saying, 922 01:06:30,937 --> 01:06:33,299 "I've fooled you by my invisibility. 923 01:06:33,323 --> 01:06:36,302 "Now you caught me. Want to see visibility? 924 01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:39,244 Want to see accountability? Here it is." 925 01:06:39,904 --> 01:06:43,759 He gave such details 926 01:06:43,783 --> 01:06:47,221 That when the police went to the scene, 927 01:06:47,245 --> 01:06:50,380 It was exactly how he said. 928 01:06:52,125 --> 01:06:53,561 We went out to kennedy airport, 929 01:06:53,585 --> 01:06:56,439 And we found the victim that was under a mattress, 930 01:06:56,463 --> 01:06:58,274 So that was when we pretty much believed 931 01:06:58,298 --> 01:06:59,347 Everything he said. 932 01:07:01,342 --> 01:07:03,279 And then I applied for a search warrant 933 01:07:03,303 --> 01:07:06,062 From the judge to search his house for evidence. 934 01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,411 They were looking for everything and anything 935 01:07:10,435 --> 01:07:16,250 They could find that would, one, help identify the victims 936 01:07:16,274 --> 01:07:20,671 And anything else related to these crimes. 937 01:07:20,695 --> 01:07:24,956 They had very little to show for what he was admitting to. 938 01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:27,186 Rifkin's bedroom was 939 01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:28,763 A crime scene technician's nightmare. 940 01:07:28,787 --> 01:07:30,306 Once we opened that door, 941 01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:32,525 We knew we found the rosetta stone. 942 01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:35,311 It was almost like digging for treasure. 943 01:07:35,335 --> 01:07:39,607 There was driver's license of some of the victims. 944 01:07:39,631 --> 01:07:43,152 So now we had pretty clear corroboration 945 01:07:43,176 --> 01:07:44,653 Once we matched those ids 946 01:07:44,677 --> 01:07:47,373 To the people he claimed to have killed. 947 01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:49,658 There was clothing, jewelry. 948 01:07:49,682 --> 01:07:51,452 There was an earring that we matched 949 01:07:51,476 --> 01:07:54,163 To a victim from upstate new york 950 01:07:54,187 --> 01:07:56,049 That had already been recovered. 951 01:07:56,073 --> 01:07:59,627 There was also articles on arthur shawcross, 952 01:07:59,651 --> 01:08:02,963 The serial killer from rochester area of new york, 953 01:08:02,987 --> 01:08:05,841 And he had a book on the green river killer, 954 01:08:05,865 --> 01:08:08,333 Almost how-to guides for him. 955 01:08:38,231 --> 01:08:41,094 All his life, joel rifkin was a background guy, 956 01:08:41,118 --> 01:08:43,379 An invisible man. 957 01:08:43,403 --> 01:08:47,007 Deep down, I think he actually did crave 958 01:08:47,031 --> 01:08:49,343 A certain degree of notoriety 959 01:08:49,367 --> 01:08:52,669 That prolific serial killers had attained in the press. 960 01:08:56,374 --> 01:08:58,185 I felt bad for his family. 961 01:08:58,209 --> 01:09:00,563 Police were, like, staking out the house. 962 01:09:00,587 --> 01:09:04,066 You only heard about these kind of things on television, 963 01:09:04,090 --> 01:09:06,119 In the newspaper. You know, this didn't happen 964 01:09:06,143 --> 01:09:10,114 Next door, let alone quaint old east meadow. 965 01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:14,076 His mother, who was clearly distraught now and alone, 966 01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:16,036 She seemed to love him, her son. 967 01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:18,706 He said she's the only one that showed him true love 968 01:09:18,730 --> 01:09:20,541 After it all went down. 969 01:09:20,565 --> 01:09:25,379 But mrs. Rifkin was not that accessible to reporters 970 01:09:25,403 --> 01:09:27,256 Or to anybody that questioned her. 971 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,621 She didn't want to talk about it. 972 01:09:31,451 --> 01:09:33,146 There's a pretty extensive search. 973 01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:35,139 I know it continued into the next day. 974 01:09:35,163 --> 01:09:37,266 The murders that he had committed in his house, 975 01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:38,434 Rifkin apparently did a really good job 976 01:09:38,458 --> 01:09:39,986 Of cleaning up. 977 01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:41,979 Obviously he didn't want his family to see. 978 01:09:42,003 --> 01:09:43,731 Must have been a bloody mess 979 01:09:43,755 --> 01:09:46,108 Where he dismembered some of his victims, 980 01:09:46,132 --> 01:09:49,278 But there was no evidence of that in the house. 981 01:09:49,302 --> 01:09:51,447 The contents of joel rifkin's room 982 01:09:51,471 --> 01:09:54,333 Were removed and brought to farmingdale. 983 01:09:54,357 --> 01:09:56,149 We collected over 8,000 pieces of evidence. 984 01:09:57,936 --> 01:09:59,839 What we had to do in this case in the beginning 985 01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,624 Was a crime scene search, 986 01:10:01,648 --> 01:10:03,584 Recovering the bodies that hadn't been found yet 987 01:10:03,608 --> 01:10:06,462 And linking them to the bodies that had been found. 988 01:10:06,486 --> 01:10:09,965 They were very methodical and organized and objective, 989 01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:13,594 And they were able to corroborate 13 or 14 of them. 990 01:10:13,618 --> 01:10:15,971 It became such a major investigation, 991 01:10:15,995 --> 01:10:18,474 All sorts of news coverage. 992 01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:21,360 Joel rifkin has told police he's a serial killer. 993 01:10:21,384 --> 01:10:23,145 The man told police 994 01:10:23,169 --> 01:10:26,638 He killed 17 prostitutes over the last several years. 995 01:10:27,674 --> 01:10:30,945 Turn on the tv one night, and I saw that joel rifkin 996 01:10:30,969 --> 01:10:32,988 Had been arrested, and they listed his victims, 997 01:10:33,012 --> 01:10:35,647 And my best friend, leah evans, was among them. 998 01:10:36,683 --> 01:10:39,234 I just don't have words to describe what I felt. 999 01:10:41,187 --> 01:10:43,332 Sorry. 1000 01:10:43,356 --> 01:10:45,626 I remember being shocked at the cover of "newsday," 1001 01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:49,672 Biggest long island newspaper, and the main story, 1002 01:10:49,696 --> 01:10:53,342 Which was about long island serial killer, 1003 01:10:53,366 --> 01:10:55,177 And there's my family. 1004 01:10:55,201 --> 01:10:58,138 There's my name on the cover of "newsday." 1005 01:10:58,162 --> 01:11:02,643 When they searched his room, they found lorraine's license. 1006 01:11:02,667 --> 01:11:06,146 That's how we found out exactly what happened to her. 1007 01:11:06,170 --> 01:11:08,148 I'm reading the "nashville banner." 1008 01:11:08,172 --> 01:11:11,568 My eye gets caught about this article on this guy 1009 01:11:11,592 --> 01:11:13,195 That the new york police 1010 01:11:13,219 --> 01:11:15,030 Had pulled over in a pickup truck, 1011 01:11:15,054 --> 01:11:16,249 And I'm just thinking, 1012 01:11:16,273 --> 01:11:18,409 "that's the weirdest thing ever." 1013 01:11:18,433 --> 01:11:22,746 A day or two later, I get a phone call, 1014 01:11:22,770 --> 01:11:24,924 "this is detective or inspector. 1015 01:11:24,948 --> 01:11:26,417 Are you married to catherine williams?" 1016 01:11:26,441 --> 01:11:28,085 I said, "yes, I am," and he said, 1017 01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:30,421 "well, have you ever heard of joel rifkin?" 1018 01:11:30,445 --> 01:11:31,839 He goes, "well, we found 1019 01:11:31,863 --> 01:11:33,830 Catherine's credit cards in his home." 1020 01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:41,724 There's a whole culture that depicts women 1021 01:11:41,748 --> 01:11:45,269 As just these erotic beings for the taking, 1022 01:11:45,293 --> 01:11:49,023 And it's easy, then, to devalue them 1023 01:11:49,047 --> 01:11:51,900 And for someone like joel rifkin to think, 1024 01:11:51,924 --> 01:11:53,027 "who cares? No one cares 1025 01:11:53,051 --> 01:11:55,143 If I kill this person." 1026 01:11:58,097 --> 01:12:01,744 The tragedy of this and everything that rifkin did 1027 01:12:01,768 --> 01:12:04,538 Was that these are 17 different people, 1028 01:12:04,562 --> 01:12:07,133 17 different human beings with different backgrounds, 1029 01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:09,877 Different families, different hopes and dreams, 1030 01:12:09,901 --> 01:12:11,826 And I had to get them justice. 1031 01:12:13,279 --> 01:12:14,923 We would try the case over the victim 1032 01:12:14,947 --> 01:12:17,634 That we found him with first. It was the strongest. 1033 01:12:17,658 --> 01:12:19,312 We had caught him with the body, 1034 01:12:19,336 --> 01:12:21,764 But surely somebody who killed 17 people, 1035 01:12:21,788 --> 01:12:24,380 And I'm the first one to try the case. 1036 01:12:24,957 --> 01:12:26,841 There was a decent amount of pressure. 1037 01:12:43,101 --> 01:12:45,004 When joel rifkin was caught with the body, 1038 01:12:45,028 --> 01:12:46,903 He didn't know her name. 1039 01:12:47,939 --> 01:12:50,459 We recovered beads from a necklace 1040 01:12:50,483 --> 01:12:52,920 That she had on when he abducted her, 1041 01:12:52,944 --> 01:12:54,847 And we found those beads in his bedroom, 1042 01:12:54,871 --> 01:12:57,091 In his mom's car. 1043 01:12:57,115 --> 01:12:59,259 She also had some tattoos on her body, 1044 01:12:59,283 --> 01:13:01,354 And we put them in a newspaper. 1045 01:13:01,378 --> 01:13:04,640 And we found a witness in the city who knew her 1046 01:13:04,664 --> 01:13:06,475 And was able to identify those beads. 1047 01:13:06,499 --> 01:13:11,313 So we were able to identify her as tiffany bresciani. 1048 01:13:11,337 --> 01:13:14,691 She came from a good family. She was educated. 1049 01:13:14,715 --> 01:13:16,702 Tiffany bresciani was a 23-year-old woman 1050 01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:19,446 From metairie, louisiana, 1051 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:22,157 Came to new york to be an actress, 1052 01:13:22,181 --> 01:13:24,710 Didn't have the easiest go of it, 1053 01:13:24,734 --> 01:13:26,442 Fell into a downward spiral. 1054 01:13:34,577 --> 01:13:36,630 So by the time of joel rifkin's trial, 1055 01:13:36,654 --> 01:13:41,727 They had found 14 of his victims 1056 01:13:41,751 --> 01:13:43,303 And identified all of them 1057 01:13:43,327 --> 01:13:45,169 Except for the first one, susie. 1058 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,476 Because the rifkin case in nassau 1059 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:50,894 Was going to be the first trial, 1060 01:13:50,918 --> 01:13:51,968 I was the first one up. 1061 01:13:57,425 --> 01:13:58,861 Are we ready to proceed? 1062 01:13:58,885 --> 01:14:00,913 You are joel rifkin? 1063 01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:03,157 Yes, sir. 1064 01:14:03,181 --> 01:14:05,815 We present the evidence with respect to bresciani only. 1065 01:14:08,102 --> 01:14:12,499 Pain and the suffering that he caused to tiffany bresciani 1066 01:14:12,523 --> 01:14:14,991 Has to be taken into account by this court. 1067 01:14:16,277 --> 01:14:19,173 Joel rifkin was asserting the insanity defense, 1068 01:14:19,197 --> 01:14:21,717 Claiming that he was legally insane at the time 1069 01:14:21,741 --> 01:14:23,269 He killed tiffany bresciani. 1070 01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:25,271 He didn't have much of an option, rifkin. 1071 01:14:25,295 --> 01:14:29,266 He's caught red-handed. He confessed to it. 1072 01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,769 You look at all the evidence in the case, his background, 1073 01:14:32,793 --> 01:14:34,438 His upbringing 1074 01:14:34,462 --> 01:14:37,691 And what he did with respect to tiffany bresciani. 1075 01:14:37,715 --> 01:14:40,183 He can best be described as a killing machine. 1076 01:14:41,219 --> 01:14:43,956 Joe rifkin was the most prolific serial killer 1077 01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:45,574 In new york state history. 1078 01:14:45,598 --> 01:14:49,578 He had killed more people than any other single person. 1079 01:14:49,602 --> 01:14:51,413 It would certainly make it much more difficult 1080 01:14:51,437 --> 01:14:54,124 To get convictions on his 16 other cases 1081 01:14:54,148 --> 01:14:56,710 If rifkin was found insane at the first trial. 1082 01:14:56,734 --> 01:14:58,367 This creates a lot of pressure for me. 1083 01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:31,245 The hope of rifkin's lawyer was, a jury would look at this 1084 01:15:31,269 --> 01:15:34,028 And say, "17 women? This guy has got to be nuts." 1085 01:15:35,865 --> 01:15:39,836 I was hired by joel rifkin's defense counsel 1086 01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:42,014 To look at the issue of competency. 1087 01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:43,924 The situation with rifkin 1088 01:15:43,948 --> 01:15:47,208 Is that he's extremely personality disordered. 1089 01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:49,346 At the end, he was falling apart, 1090 01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:52,182 And that's what led me to think about whether or not 1091 01:15:52,206 --> 01:15:56,103 He was really fully competent to waive his rights 1092 01:15:56,127 --> 01:15:57,646 And not have a lawyer in the room 1093 01:15:57,670 --> 01:15:59,106 When he spilled the beans 1094 01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:01,013 And just confessed to all these murders. 1095 01:16:03,175 --> 01:16:06,280 The problem for that is the confession is so detailed 1096 01:16:06,304 --> 01:16:08,198 And methodical 1097 01:16:08,222 --> 01:16:10,450 That what normal person is going to believe him, 1098 01:16:10,474 --> 01:16:12,703 That he didn't understand what he's talking about 1099 01:16:12,727 --> 01:16:15,622 When he was so organized in describing years' worth 1100 01:16:15,646 --> 01:16:17,989 Of killing, you know, over a dozen women? 1101 01:16:22,153 --> 01:16:23,714 One of the really weird things 1102 01:16:23,738 --> 01:16:26,508 He had told some of the psychiatrists were that, 1103 01:16:26,532 --> 01:16:29,011 After he had killed most of these women, 1104 01:16:29,035 --> 01:16:31,471 Rifkin took the money back from them 1105 01:16:31,495 --> 01:16:32,898 That he had initially given them 1106 01:16:32,922 --> 01:16:34,672 To perform the sex act. 1107 01:16:36,092 --> 01:16:41,189 The jury was very persuaded by that little piece of evidence 1108 01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:43,233 That this guy knew exactly what he was doing. 1109 01:16:43,257 --> 01:16:45,527 We were able to establish beyond a reasonable doubt 1110 01:16:45,551 --> 01:16:48,247 That he was guilty of killing tiffany bresciani. 1111 01:16:48,271 --> 01:16:50,583 We were able to disprove that he was insane 1112 01:16:50,607 --> 01:16:52,868 At the time he did this, 1113 01:16:52,892 --> 01:16:56,444 And ultimately, rifkin was sentenced to 28 years to life. 1114 01:17:10,460 --> 01:17:13,105 Never saw any human connection from rifkin 1115 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,891 About what he had did to 17 human beings. 1116 01:17:15,915 --> 01:17:18,215 He is a sexual sadistic murderer. 1117 01:18:00,459 --> 01:18:03,322 Even after joel rifkin was convicted, 1118 01:18:03,346 --> 01:18:05,649 The last chapter wasn't written 1119 01:18:05,673 --> 01:18:10,329 Because, after 24 years, susie, his first victim... 1120 01:18:10,353 --> 01:18:13,240 Her head had been dumped on the golf course... 1121 01:18:13,264 --> 01:18:15,064 Had not been identified. 1122 01:18:21,355 --> 01:18:24,126 When he confessed, joel rifkin clearly explained 1123 01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:25,961 That the head that was found in hopewell township 1124 01:18:25,985 --> 01:18:27,504 Was his first victim 1125 01:18:27,528 --> 01:18:30,132 And that he only knew her as susie. 1126 01:18:30,156 --> 01:18:32,843 That was the extent of what he explained during his interview, 1127 01:18:32,867 --> 01:18:34,353 So we had what was called 1128 01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:36,293 An unidentified deceased person. 1129 01:18:37,496 --> 01:18:39,099 In hopewell township, 1130 01:18:39,123 --> 01:18:42,436 It was the only unsolved homicide that we had on file, 1131 01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:44,969 The only unsolved homicide I had in my career. 1132 01:18:46,005 --> 01:18:48,108 She had a mother somewhere. She had a father somewhere. 1133 01:18:48,132 --> 01:18:50,152 She may even have had children, 1134 01:18:50,176 --> 01:18:52,696 So it became almost personal with me. 1135 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,373 I continued to work the case 1136 01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:56,647 Until the time I retired in 2005. 1137 01:18:58,401 --> 01:18:59,619 I was a patrol officer 1138 01:18:59,643 --> 01:19:02,122 And then subsequently a patrol sergeant. 1139 01:19:02,146 --> 01:19:04,541 Over the years, I always joked with the bosses 1140 01:19:04,565 --> 01:19:06,209 That if I ever got the opportunity, 1141 01:19:06,233 --> 01:19:08,170 I was going to solve this case. 1142 01:19:08,194 --> 01:19:10,005 I was told by my then-boss at the time 1143 01:19:10,029 --> 01:19:12,716 That I wasn't a detective. 1144 01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:14,832 Eventually, I got my shot. 1145 01:19:16,419 --> 01:19:17,888 - What caused this? - Why? 1146 01:19:17,912 --> 01:19:19,389 How could this have happened? 1147 01:19:19,413 --> 01:19:22,067 I saw him through this period. 1148 01:19:22,091 --> 01:19:23,799 He wasn't invisible. He was there. 1149 01:19:43,896 --> 01:19:46,833 We were always confident from 1993 on 1150 01:19:46,857 --> 01:19:48,335 That the head that was found 1151 01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:50,212 At the hopewell valley country club 1152 01:19:50,236 --> 01:19:52,620 Was absolutely joel rifkin's first victim. 1153 01:19:53,906 --> 01:19:55,267 We just didn't have a name 1154 01:19:55,291 --> 01:19:57,124 That was associated with that victim. 1155 01:19:57,460 --> 01:20:01,389 When I became lieutenant in 2012, 1156 01:20:01,413 --> 01:20:03,942 I had the opportunity to look into it. 1157 01:20:03,966 --> 01:20:05,444 Susie was picked up 1158 01:20:05,468 --> 01:20:07,270 On the lower east side 9th precinct area. 1159 01:20:07,294 --> 01:20:08,781 I said, "why don't we just go up there and see" 1160 01:20:08,805 --> 01:20:10,607 "if there's, like, an old-school detective 1161 01:20:10,631 --> 01:20:13,276 "up there who can look through some files 1162 01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:14,903 "and maybe give some names of girls 1163 01:20:14,927 --> 01:20:17,645 That were arrested multiple times in that area?" 1164 01:20:19,056 --> 01:20:21,785 One detective kept looking in the old computer system. 1165 01:20:21,809 --> 01:20:25,080 He gave us a list of 19 names. When I walked out of there, 1166 01:20:25,104 --> 01:20:28,280 I thought it was a complete waste of time, but it wasn't. 1167 01:20:29,775 --> 01:20:31,711 One of the names on the list that was provided 1168 01:20:31,735 --> 01:20:33,639 Was susan spencer. 1169 01:20:33,663 --> 01:20:35,590 The date of birth was right for our victim. 1170 01:20:35,614 --> 01:20:37,300 The eye color matched. 1171 01:20:37,324 --> 01:20:39,250 I thought I was on the right path. 1172 01:20:40,002 --> 01:20:41,980 The name susan spencer led us down a path 1173 01:20:42,004 --> 01:20:43,754 That didn't lead anywhere. 1174 01:20:44,832 --> 01:20:46,601 However, on this criminal history 1175 01:20:46,625 --> 01:20:49,604 Was numerous alias names, numerous alias date of births, 1176 01:20:49,628 --> 01:20:53,149 Numerous social security numbers, 1177 01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:55,986 So we decided to run every single date of birth, 1178 01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:57,612 Every single name, 1179 01:20:57,636 --> 01:21:01,324 And we located a missing-persons report 1180 01:21:01,348 --> 01:21:04,316 That was filed in new york city in 1995. 1181 01:21:04,861 --> 01:21:06,955 If someone's reporting someone in 1995 1182 01:21:06,979 --> 01:21:09,124 But our head was found in 1989, 1183 01:21:09,148 --> 01:21:10,500 There could be no correlation. 1184 01:21:10,524 --> 01:21:12,845 However, I decided not to discard it. 1185 01:21:12,869 --> 01:21:15,013 The name on the missing person was heidi balch. 1186 01:21:15,037 --> 01:21:17,173 Heidi balch was reported missing by her aunt 1187 01:21:17,197 --> 01:21:19,081 Who lived in new york. 1188 01:21:19,658 --> 01:21:21,186 My chief, as I'm explaining to it, 1189 01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:24,472 He just goes like this and points, 1190 01:21:24,496 --> 01:21:26,338 "get to new york and go find the aunt." 1191 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,352 Aunt looked at the picture, said, 1192 01:21:29,376 --> 01:21:31,688 "yeah, that's my niece, heidi balch." 1193 01:21:31,712 --> 01:21:34,482 I said, "well, you know, when she got arrested here"... 1194 01:21:34,506 --> 01:21:37,694 It was a picture from 1986... 1195 01:21:37,718 --> 01:21:41,373 "she used the name susan spencer," 1196 01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:43,199 And I'll never forget this moment 1197 01:21:43,223 --> 01:21:45,035 Because she grabs my arm like a little old lady would 1198 01:21:45,059 --> 01:21:46,661 And just said, 1199 01:21:46,685 --> 01:21:49,028 "oh, she went by susie for the longest time." 1200 01:21:50,856 --> 01:21:52,792 Literally the hair on the back of my neck stood up. 1201 01:21:52,816 --> 01:21:54,408 We solved this. 1202 01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:57,703 The head belongs to heidi balch. 1203 01:21:59,031 --> 01:22:00,550 I called my chief. He's like, 1204 01:22:00,574 --> 01:22:03,219 "do you know what today is?" I go, "it's March 5th." 1205 01:22:03,243 --> 01:22:05,388 He goes, "yeah, it's March 5th, 2013. 1206 01:22:05,412 --> 01:22:07,671 We found the head March 5th, 1989." 1207 01:22:09,541 --> 01:22:13,802 It was 24 years to the day that we actually solved the case. 1208 01:22:16,173 --> 01:22:17,734 When I spoke to the other patrolmen, 1209 01:22:17,758 --> 01:22:19,319 That's what I always told them, 1210 01:22:19,343 --> 01:22:21,529 "don't give up until you've solved the case." 1211 01:22:21,553 --> 01:22:25,272 Having bill springer solve it, I was overjoyed. 1212 01:22:27,109 --> 01:22:29,412 I worked hard on it. 1213 01:22:29,436 --> 01:22:33,750 It meant a lot to me, and it was closure. 1214 01:22:33,774 --> 01:22:36,753 I believe that justice is finally served, 1215 01:22:36,777 --> 01:22:40,079 May have taken nearly 30 years, but we did it. 1216 01:22:55,587 --> 01:22:58,733 The joel rifkin I remember was just a regular kid 1217 01:22:58,757 --> 01:23:00,193 Who was really polite, 1218 01:23:00,217 --> 01:23:03,780 Nice, sweet, never thought he was creepy. 1219 01:23:03,804 --> 01:23:05,437 How could he do these horrible things? 1220 01:23:07,433 --> 01:23:09,962 You're trying to contemplate, like, what caused this? 1221 01:23:09,986 --> 01:23:12,580 Why? How could this have happened? 1222 01:23:12,604 --> 01:23:14,791 I saw him through this period. 1223 01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:16,751 He wasn't invisible. He was there. 1224 01:23:16,775 --> 01:23:18,450 This is something that disturbs me. 1225 01:23:20,162 --> 01:23:21,589 He looks like the guy next door. 1226 01:23:21,613 --> 01:23:23,141 He was the guy next door. 1227 01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:25,218 He did not look 1228 01:23:25,242 --> 01:23:26,594 Like a serial killer from my point of view. 1229 01:23:26,618 --> 01:23:28,221 In every high school, 1230 01:23:28,245 --> 01:23:30,265 There's a kid that's the last to get picked. 1231 01:23:30,289 --> 01:23:33,560 In every high school, there's a kid that doesn't get girls, 1232 01:23:33,584 --> 01:23:36,896 But they don't go ahead and murder 17 women. 1233 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,429 There is evil there. 1234 01:23:42,801 --> 01:23:45,405 I never got to say goodbye to my friend. 1235 01:23:45,429 --> 01:23:48,074 I did not have the opportunity then to attend her funeral 1236 01:23:48,098 --> 01:23:51,161 Or to be part of any of the honoring of her, 1237 01:23:51,185 --> 01:23:54,069 Laying her to rest, or finding closure myself. 1238 01:23:54,855 --> 01:23:57,333 When you think of somebody you love, 1239 01:23:57,357 --> 01:24:01,160 You think about the person at their finest. 1240 01:24:01,653 --> 01:24:05,175 Lorraine, you know, had big goals, big plans. 1241 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,166 It's just so sad. It's just not fair. 1242 01:24:09,495 --> 01:24:11,378 Catherine was a fearless person. 1243 01:24:12,289 --> 01:24:15,810 She would stare in the face of just horrendous danger 1244 01:24:15,834 --> 01:24:18,813 And just felt like she could conquer the world. 1245 01:24:18,837 --> 01:24:23,443 I will always remember her primarily as a courageous soul 1246 01:24:23,467 --> 01:24:28,364 That will always continue to impact my decisions 1247 01:24:28,388 --> 01:24:30,606 Regardless of what comes. 1248 01:24:36,146 --> 01:24:37,332 It is unthinkable 1249 01:24:37,356 --> 01:24:41,002 That someone that I loved so fiercely, 1250 01:24:41,026 --> 01:24:43,889 Who had such a beautiful life ahead 1251 01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:45,673 And who was a mother to two young children 1252 01:24:45,697 --> 01:24:49,416 Would be taken in that way and disposed of in that way. 1253 01:24:50,994 --> 01:24:53,389 That's the message I want to give to joel rifkin. 1254 01:24:53,413 --> 01:24:54,808 Leah was not a throwaway. 1255 01:24:54,832 --> 01:24:57,007 None of them are throwaways, none of them. 1256 01:25:01,263 --> 01:25:06,528 I think what you learn from a person like joel is, 1257 01:25:06,552 --> 01:25:11,032 Childhood trauma needs to be examined. 1258 01:25:11,056 --> 01:25:14,494 If not for the people that bullied him and abused him, 1259 01:25:14,518 --> 01:25:16,913 He was pretty much invisible, 1260 01:25:16,937 --> 01:25:21,031 And I think that created issues with his identity. 1261 01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,380 That anonymity helped joel, the serial killer, 1262 01:25:25,404 --> 01:25:28,266 But hurt his psyche, 1263 01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:30,207 And this was his way of lashing out. 1264 01:25:53,816 --> 01:26:00,415 He never once expressed anger towards women in general 1265 01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,710 Or even prostitutes in general. 1266 01:26:03,734 --> 01:26:07,255 Instead, most of that anger was directed at himself 1267 01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:09,549 And the fact that he couldn't break his addiction 1268 01:26:09,573 --> 01:26:12,135 To the women on the streets. 1269 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,763 Had he gotten some help maybe about the bullying, 1270 01:26:15,787 --> 01:26:19,642 Maybe some counseling about his sexual urges, 1271 01:26:19,666 --> 01:26:21,987 You know, maybe this wouldn't have happened, 1272 01:26:22,011 --> 01:26:23,646 And maybe, you know, 1273 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:25,095 A lot of these lives would've been saved. 1274 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,007 Joel and I had a rapport instantly. 1275 01:26:51,031 --> 01:26:54,302 We had it in 1979 the first time we met, 1276 01:26:54,326 --> 01:26:58,348 And that rapport was picked up the minute we were reconnected 1277 01:26:58,372 --> 01:27:00,975 In that prison visitation room, 1278 01:27:00,999 --> 01:27:04,312 But the joel that I interviewed differed so much 1279 01:27:04,336 --> 01:27:06,814 From the joel that I knew in college. 1280 01:27:06,838 --> 01:27:09,514 He felt no guilt, no remorse, no pain. 1281 01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:13,872 You still have thoughts of killing people? 1282 01:27:13,896 --> 01:27:15,490 It's like the alcoholic says. 1283 01:27:15,514 --> 01:27:17,283 They're in recovery. 1284 01:27:17,307 --> 01:27:20,203 You put a beer in their hands, that they can relapse. 1285 01:27:20,227 --> 01:27:22,497 It's not guaranteed, but there's a possibly. 1286 01:27:22,521 --> 01:27:24,666 Where I am right now today, 1287 01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:26,490 I know this is the best place for me.105636

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