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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,313 --> 00:00:11,098 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:12,403 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,447 --> 00:00:14,797 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,755 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:16,799 --> 00:00:19,715 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:19,758 --> 00:00:22,805 These are their stories. 7 00:00:22,848 --> 00:00:24,633 We're trying to carve out a middle ground-- 8 00:00:24,676 --> 00:00:26,287 a place where these issues can be discussed 9 00:00:26,330 --> 00:00:28,028 in a civil manner. - Only if we agree with you. 10 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:31,118 If we disagree, then we're suddenly idiots or hicks. 11 00:00:31,161 --> 00:00:32,641 - That's not true. - I see and hear it 12 00:00:32,684 --> 00:00:34,164 every day, Derek-- 13 00:00:34,208 --> 00:00:36,993 liberals refusing to discuss issues that really matter: 14 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,864 economic issues, geopolitical issues-- 15 00:00:38,908 --> 00:00:41,737 as far as I can see, the only thing you guys wanna talk about 16 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:43,347 is identity politics; 17 00:00:43,391 --> 00:00:45,697 gender, race, sexual identity. 18 00:00:45,741 --> 00:00:47,395 I swear to God, it's like you spend 19 00:00:47,438 --> 00:00:50,354 all your time and energy just inventing ways to be offended. 20 00:00:50,398 --> 00:00:51,442 But it's more complicated than that. 21 00:00:51,486 --> 00:00:52,791 No! No. 22 00:00:52,835 --> 00:00:54,532 See, there you go again, pandering to us morons, 23 00:00:54,576 --> 00:00:56,491 'cause we can't quite grasp the subtleties 24 00:00:56,534 --> 00:00:58,449 of the complex liberal platform. 25 00:00:58,493 --> 00:01:00,103 I just think we need to talk about these issues 26 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:01,887 in a serious, honest way. 27 00:01:01,931 --> 00:01:04,629 There's a middle road here, a way to bridge the gap. 28 00:01:04,673 --> 00:01:06,544 We need to have more conversations-- 29 00:01:06,588 --> 00:01:08,503 Do you believe the leaders of the Democratic Party 30 00:01:08,546 --> 00:01:10,287 are involved in the sexual exploitation 31 00:01:10,331 --> 00:01:11,636 of underage boys and girls? 32 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,509 [dramatic music] 33 00:01:14,552 --> 00:01:16,337 - Are you really doing this? - Doing what? 34 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:18,121 Talking about this QAnon crap. 35 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:19,862 You told me-- 36 00:01:19,905 --> 00:01:21,951 you promised me this would be a civil, 37 00:01:21,994 --> 00:01:23,909 constructive conversation, 38 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,477 that we'd debate the issues. 39 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:31,178 You still haven't answered the question, Mr. Hoyt. 40 00:01:31,221 --> 00:01:33,136 [tense, dramatic music] 41 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:34,137 Go to hell. 42 00:01:34,181 --> 00:01:38,707 43 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:39,969 [door clicks shut] 44 00:01:40,012 --> 00:01:41,666 People can sit in their basement apartment 45 00:01:41,710 --> 00:01:45,322 surrounded by cats and pizza boxes and just spew hate. 46 00:01:45,366 --> 00:01:46,889 Yeah, 'cause there aren't any consequences. 47 00:01:46,932 --> 00:01:48,369 You can't fight back either. 48 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:50,632 You tweet back? You're a troll. 49 00:01:50,675 --> 00:01:53,330 Two weeks ago, this idiot called me a racist, 50 00:01:53,374 --> 00:01:55,158 because I said - Jay- - Z is overrated. 51 00:01:55,202 --> 00:01:56,768 Like, what? 52 00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:58,596 Back in the day, if you wanted to call out someone, 53 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,468 you did it in person, face-to-face. 54 00:02:00,511 --> 00:02:01,730 And you just might get your damn ass kicked too-- 55 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:04,689 [tires squeal and crash, screaming] 56 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:06,169 [line ringing] 57 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:07,779 911. What's your emergency? 58 00:02:07,823 --> 00:02:09,868 I'm on the corner of 29th and 10th. 59 00:02:09,912 --> 00:02:12,219 Someone just got hit by a bus. - And what's his condition? 60 00:02:12,262 --> 00:02:14,134 He's bleeding. It's really bad. 61 00:02:14,177 --> 00:02:16,701 62 00:02:16,745 --> 00:02:18,094 [groans] 63 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,009 64 00:02:20,052 --> 00:02:22,707 [indistinct shouting] You all witnessed it. 65 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:25,580 Why are we here, Officer Washington? 66 00:02:25,623 --> 00:02:27,190 'Cause it wasn't an accident. 67 00:02:27,234 --> 00:02:28,626 Two witnesses saw some dude 68 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:30,759 push the DOA in front of the bus. 69 00:02:30,802 --> 00:02:32,674 These witnesses get a good look at the guy? 70 00:02:32,717 --> 00:02:34,023 No. 71 00:02:34,066 --> 00:02:36,939 He was wearing a facemask and a dark winter hat. 72 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:38,462 What about the bus driver? 73 00:02:38,506 --> 00:02:41,291 She didn't wanna talk. 74 00:02:41,335 --> 00:02:42,901 Said she's too upset. 75 00:02:44,468 --> 00:02:46,601 Did he seem mentally ill? 76 00:02:46,644 --> 00:02:48,255 Did he say anything specific? 77 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:49,647 No, he just rolled up on the dude 78 00:02:49,691 --> 00:02:51,258 and shoved him into the street. 79 00:02:51,301 --> 00:02:53,738 You got a good look at him. Did you see his complexion? 80 00:02:53,782 --> 00:02:55,784 Uh, he was white, 81 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:57,133 maybe brown. 82 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:58,308 I couldn't really tell, 'cause he was wearing 83 00:02:58,352 --> 00:03:00,528 a facemask and a dark ski hat. 84 00:03:00,571 --> 00:03:02,399 Okay. What was his body type? 85 00:03:02,443 --> 00:03:05,402 Was he tall, or short, heavyset, thin? 86 00:03:05,446 --> 00:03:07,709 5'10", but he definitely wasn't skinny. 87 00:03:07,752 --> 00:03:09,841 More like beefy. 88 00:03:09,885 --> 00:03:11,278 Thank you. 89 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:12,714 What do you got? 90 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:14,890 Downloaded the bus cam footage. 91 00:03:16,935 --> 00:03:18,023 Wow. 92 00:03:18,067 --> 00:03:20,200 That's a lot of hate behind that push. 93 00:03:20,243 --> 00:03:21,723 Question is why? 94 00:03:21,766 --> 00:03:25,292 95 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:28,382 [dramatic music] 96 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:35,563 97 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:52,580 98 00:04:02,459 --> 00:04:09,597 99 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,299 I have no idea why someone would wanna kill Derek. 100 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:18,345 It doesn't make sense. 101 00:04:18,388 --> 00:04:20,521 Did you and Derek have any problems? 102 00:04:20,564 --> 00:04:23,175 No. Everything was great. 103 00:04:23,219 --> 00:04:25,656 Forgive me for asking, it's just part of the process. 104 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:28,877 Were either you or your husband involved with anyone else? 105 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,096 No, nothing like that. 106 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:34,709 Did Derek gamble, drink? 107 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:36,493 Uh, 108 00:04:36,537 --> 00:04:38,278 maybe a glass of wine here and there, but... 109 00:04:41,368 --> 00:04:43,848 He was a good person. 110 00:04:43,892 --> 00:04:48,418 He loved being a father, a husband. 111 00:04:48,462 --> 00:04:50,551 He was going to run for Congress too. 112 00:04:50,594 --> 00:04:53,205 He wanted to... 113 00:04:53,249 --> 00:04:55,556 give back, make a difference. 114 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:00,430 It sounds cliché, but he really meant it. 115 00:05:00,474 --> 00:05:03,303 [indistinct chatter] 116 00:05:03,346 --> 00:05:04,956 I'll be there in a minute. 117 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,349 Go play with Laura, okay? 118 00:05:06,393 --> 00:05:13,487 119 00:05:16,664 --> 00:05:20,537 Uh, if you can think of anything else, 120 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:22,234 would you give us a call? 121 00:05:22,278 --> 00:05:23,279 Yeah. 122 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,803 123 00:05:25,847 --> 00:05:29,372 It might be nothing, but Derek got into an argument 124 00:05:29,416 --> 00:05:32,636 with another man a few weeks ago. 125 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,726 We were having dinner, and... 126 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:38,338 this guy started yelling at him. 127 00:05:38,381 --> 00:05:40,557 It got really heated. 128 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:43,081 Do you remember what they were arguing about? 129 00:05:43,125 --> 00:05:47,216 No, he just kept calling Derek a liar and a phony. 130 00:05:47,259 --> 00:05:49,087 Then Derek pushed him away. 131 00:05:49,131 --> 00:05:54,397 132 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:58,096 Yeah, Derek and I got into it pretty good that night. 133 00:05:58,140 --> 00:05:59,533 Wasn't a big deal, though. 134 00:05:59,576 --> 00:06:02,623 Just a couple of alpha dogs barking at each other. 135 00:06:02,666 --> 00:06:05,887 What were you two barking about? 136 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:08,455 I tried to buy his firm, but he sold it to someone else. 137 00:06:08,498 --> 00:06:10,021 Offered him 50% more than I did. 138 00:06:10,065 --> 00:06:12,459 You were pissed that another company 139 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:13,851 wanted to pay more money? 140 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:15,070 I was pissed because he didn't give me 141 00:06:15,113 --> 00:06:16,419 a chance to counter. 142 00:06:16,463 --> 00:06:18,508 Pissed enough to shove him in front of a bus? 143 00:06:18,552 --> 00:06:19,901 [scoffs] Please. 144 00:06:19,944 --> 00:06:21,816 I loved Derek. - I saw the video. 145 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:24,035 I didn't see a lot of love there. 146 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,691 What you saw was two real men talking business-- 147 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:32,087 face-to-face, no lawyers, no PR, no social media. 148 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:34,568 Just a couple of grown-ass men gettin' after it. 149 00:06:34,611 --> 00:06:39,050 Unfortunately, Derek is now dead. 150 00:06:39,094 --> 00:06:40,617 And that sucks. 151 00:06:40,661 --> 00:06:43,011 Like I said, he was a good dude. 152 00:06:43,054 --> 00:06:45,796 Did you talk to or see him after the altercation 153 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:47,972 at the restaurant? - Yeah, met him for coffee 154 00:06:48,016 --> 00:06:49,278 a few days ago. 155 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:50,627 Like a real man? 156 00:06:50,671 --> 00:06:53,021 Pledged a million dollars to his campaign too. 157 00:06:53,064 --> 00:06:55,458 - Hm. - And that was the last time 158 00:06:55,502 --> 00:06:56,981 you saw him? - Well, technically, 159 00:06:57,025 --> 00:06:58,896 the last time was in front of his building. 160 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:01,638 He shook my hand, said thanks, and that was that. 161 00:07:01,682 --> 00:07:04,728 Did he mention anything unusual, 162 00:07:04,772 --> 00:07:06,077 maybe somebody harassing him? 163 00:07:06,121 --> 00:07:07,818 There was this guy following us. 164 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,951 Looked like he was taking photos too. 165 00:07:09,994 --> 00:07:11,692 Do you remember what he looked like? 166 00:07:11,735 --> 00:07:13,955 White, about 50, 167 00:07:13,998 --> 00:07:15,783 average height. 168 00:07:15,826 --> 00:07:18,089 He was wearing a Phillies hat. 169 00:07:18,133 --> 00:07:21,136 [indistinct chatter, phones ringing] 170 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:22,746 [ominous music] 171 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:24,618 Think I got something. 172 00:07:24,661 --> 00:07:26,576 What do you got? 173 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:29,927 Look at this guy with the camera. 174 00:07:29,971 --> 00:07:32,495 Can you zoom in, get a better look at his face? 175 00:07:34,541 --> 00:07:35,890 No, that's the best I can do. 176 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:38,240 Take a look at that jacket. 177 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:42,418 NYPD Fighting 19th Softball. 178 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:44,333 Guy's a cop. 179 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:46,161 Or a softball groupie. 180 00:07:46,204 --> 00:07:49,425 Send that over to the 19th. See if anyone recognizes him. 181 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:54,125 182 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:55,518 Yeah, that's me. 183 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:58,478 I was followin' the guy on the right, Derek Hoyt. 184 00:07:58,521 --> 00:08:00,001 Why? 185 00:08:00,044 --> 00:08:02,264 Got hired about a month ago to find some dirt. 186 00:08:02,307 --> 00:08:05,093 But I came up empty. Guy's squeaky clean. 187 00:08:05,136 --> 00:08:07,661 Then last week, they asked me to give it another whirl. 188 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:09,532 What were they hoping to find? 189 00:08:09,576 --> 00:08:11,447 Don't know. Didn't ask. 190 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,840 Gotta pay the bills, bro. 191 00:08:12,883 --> 00:08:14,885 Hell of a way to do it. 192 00:08:14,929 --> 00:08:17,975 Do me a favor. Don't judge. 193 00:08:18,019 --> 00:08:20,238 During the course of your, uh, investigation, 194 00:08:20,282 --> 00:08:22,806 did you happen to find anything of concern? 195 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:25,156 No, nothing even close. 196 00:08:26,549 --> 00:08:28,159 So who hired you? 197 00:08:28,203 --> 00:08:31,206 Who was looking for all this dirt on Derek Hoyt? 198 00:08:35,079 --> 00:08:37,168 199 00:08:37,212 --> 00:08:38,300 That's so crazy. 200 00:08:38,343 --> 00:08:39,823 I just interviewed him this morning. 201 00:08:39,867 --> 00:08:43,435 - Mm. - So how can I help? 202 00:08:43,479 --> 00:08:46,961 Well, you can start by, uh, telling us why you hired 203 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:49,833 a P.I. to dig up dirt on Mr. Hoyt. 204 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:52,009 What's that got to do with him gettin' hit by a bus? 205 00:08:52,053 --> 00:08:53,663 I don't know, maybe nothin'. 206 00:08:53,707 --> 00:08:54,838 We're trying to figure out 207 00:08:54,882 --> 00:08:56,884 why someone would try to kill him. 208 00:08:58,059 --> 00:08:59,626 I don't know. I know he was planning 209 00:08:59,669 --> 00:09:01,192 on running for Congress, 210 00:09:01,236 --> 00:09:03,586 and that the power brokers in the Democratic Party 211 00:09:03,630 --> 00:09:07,764 were talking about him like he was the, uh, next big thing-- 212 00:09:07,808 --> 00:09:11,028 AOC with some brains. [chuckles] 213 00:09:11,072 --> 00:09:13,901 Uh, that was a joke. Sorry. 214 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:16,643 Didn't mean to offend your left-wing sensibilities. 215 00:09:16,686 --> 00:09:19,384 No, you didn't offend us. It wasn't funny. 216 00:09:19,428 --> 00:09:21,256 Oh, tough crowd. 217 00:09:21,299 --> 00:09:24,041 More like impatient. We're investigating a murder. 218 00:09:24,085 --> 00:09:26,043 You're right, you're right. I'm sorry. 219 00:09:26,087 --> 00:09:27,654 I'd heard some rumors about Hoyt, 220 00:09:27,697 --> 00:09:30,047 so I hired a P.I. for him, to look into him. 221 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:32,180 I didn't want to publish anything without confirmation. 222 00:09:32,223 --> 00:09:35,836 Hm, because of your journalistic integrity? 223 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:37,577 What kind of rumors? 224 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:39,622 I'd rather not comment on that. 225 00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:40,841 You know, now that he's gone, 226 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:43,278 there's no need to besmirch the deceased. 227 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:44,888 Ha! [laughs] 228 00:09:44,932 --> 00:09:46,281 - Yeah. - Now, that's funny. 229 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:49,066 You know, you pretending to have ethical standards. 230 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:51,895 Your whole mission is to cultivate hate and mistrust. 231 00:09:51,939 --> 00:09:54,637 I run a media business, all right? 232 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:56,291 I give the people what they want-- 233 00:09:56,334 --> 00:09:57,640 real people-- 234 00:09:57,684 --> 00:10:00,600 real, honest, hardworking, middle-class people 235 00:10:00,643 --> 00:10:02,340 who love this country 236 00:10:02,384 --> 00:10:04,473 who can't relate to the rich, coastal elites 237 00:10:04,516 --> 00:10:07,911 who control the media and the political narrative. 238 00:10:07,955 --> 00:10:10,522 Come on, you really think some roofer from Akron 239 00:10:10,566 --> 00:10:11,828 with a mortgage and three kids 240 00:10:11,872 --> 00:10:14,352 gives a rat's ass about somebody's pronoun? 241 00:10:14,396 --> 00:10:18,400 So you...don't believe liberals eat babies, 242 00:10:18,443 --> 00:10:20,924 or that Black people's obsession with racism 243 00:10:20,968 --> 00:10:22,360 is destroying the country? 244 00:10:22,404 --> 00:10:24,624 It doesn't matter what I believe. 245 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:26,669 It matters what sells. 246 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:29,106 And destroying Hoyt would sell? 247 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:32,632 Yeah, destroying him would've been a home run. 248 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:33,720 But he's gone. 249 00:10:33,763 --> 00:10:34,982 So we'll just have to find 250 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:37,114 another Democratic heartthrob to lambaste. 251 00:10:37,158 --> 00:10:38,768 [chuckles] 252 00:10:38,812 --> 00:10:40,422 So far, we're coming up empty. 253 00:10:40,465 --> 00:10:42,424 Victim is a choir boy. 254 00:10:42,467 --> 00:10:44,208 No vices, no motives, 255 00:10:44,252 --> 00:10:46,080 even that right-wing prick, Reed, 256 00:10:46,123 --> 00:10:47,472 can't dig up any dirt on him. 257 00:10:47,516 --> 00:10:49,431 Yeah, could just be a random act of violence-- 258 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:51,955 an emotionally unstable guy acting on impulse. 259 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:54,958 Well, it's possible, but keep digging 260 00:10:55,002 --> 00:10:56,351 into this Jordan Reed angle. 261 00:10:56,394 --> 00:10:58,135 He said there were some rumors swirling, 262 00:10:58,179 --> 00:10:59,833 so let's find out what they were. 263 00:10:59,876 --> 00:11:01,748 - Mm-hmm. - Think I know! 264 00:11:01,791 --> 00:11:03,097 Computer Crimes just did a deep dive 265 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,012 on the victim's electronic devices-- 266 00:11:05,055 --> 00:11:06,317 found some deleted emails 267 00:11:06,361 --> 00:11:08,102 filled with veiled death threats. 268 00:11:08,145 --> 00:11:10,582 "You're a gutless pig. You deserve to die." 269 00:11:10,626 --> 00:11:11,801 Know where they came from? 270 00:11:11,845 --> 00:11:14,021 No, they were sent from an untraceable app. 271 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:15,979 Good news is, if you want to call it that, 272 00:11:16,023 --> 00:11:18,982 pretty sure I know why these guys are threatening him. 273 00:11:19,026 --> 00:11:21,245 Found this on his deleted email folder. 274 00:11:21,289 --> 00:11:25,336 This young girl Hoyt's with is definitely not his daughter. 275 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:27,599 276 00:11:27,643 --> 00:11:29,253 So much for being a choir boy. 277 00:11:29,297 --> 00:11:31,125 278 00:11:33,388 --> 00:11:35,825 This doesn't make any sense. Where'd you get these photos? 279 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:37,871 Off his computer. 280 00:11:37,914 --> 00:11:39,873 There's no way Derek would ever be involved. 281 00:11:39,916 --> 00:11:41,788 No, well, these are just photos, ma'am, 282 00:11:41,831 --> 00:11:44,791 we don't have any proof of anything illegal at the moment. 283 00:11:44,834 --> 00:11:47,097 We're just trying to ID the young girls in the photos 284 00:11:47,141 --> 00:11:49,578 so we can contact their parents. 285 00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:51,667 Sorry, it's just the way it is. 286 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:52,755 Do you know these two girls? 287 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,716 I know her. 288 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,413 She goes to my daughter's school. 289 00:11:58,456 --> 00:12:01,111 [somber music] 290 00:12:01,155 --> 00:12:04,245 It's a good thing this sick son of a bitch is dead. 291 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:05,507 Mm. 292 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:07,465 So you were unaware of these pictures? 293 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:09,729 Never seen them before? - Correct. 294 00:12:09,772 --> 00:12:13,210 Mm-hmm, I'm gonna give you a mulligan on that one, Stewart. 295 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:14,472 Excuse me? 296 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:16,518 Bad idea to lie to the police. 297 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:19,129 That's you, isn't it, bangin' on Hoyt's front door? 298 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:21,828 Okay, I was...aware. 299 00:12:21,871 --> 00:12:24,526 A friend called, said there were some photos circulating 300 00:12:24,569 --> 00:12:27,311 on some right-wing chat room. 301 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:29,444 I flipped out. I ran over to Hoyt's building. 302 00:12:29,487 --> 00:12:32,186 I wanted to talk to him-- no, you know what? 303 00:12:32,229 --> 00:12:34,362 I wanted to beat his ass into the ground. 304 00:12:34,405 --> 00:12:35,755 But he wasn't home. 305 00:12:35,798 --> 00:12:38,235 So you never got the chance to confront him 306 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:39,802 about these photos? - No. 307 00:12:39,846 --> 00:12:42,674 I tried, trust me. But he died. 308 00:12:42,718 --> 00:12:45,547 Got hit by a car. - Bus. 309 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:47,810 A bus someone pushed him in front of. 310 00:12:47,854 --> 00:12:51,509 - You asking me if I-- - We are. 311 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:53,947 No, I didn't kill him. 312 00:12:55,426 --> 00:12:56,776 You know who this girl is? 313 00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:58,821 Yeah, that's Kimberly Ryan. 314 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,518 She's on the same basketball team 315 00:13:00,562 --> 00:13:03,304 as my daughter and Hoyt's daughter. 316 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:04,740 That's definitely my daughter, 317 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:09,266 but she's never been alone with Hoyt, ever. 318 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:10,659 I'm not sure how he-- 319 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:12,922 Maybe at a basketball game, or a sleepover. 320 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:16,230 No, our kids aren't really friends. 321 00:13:16,273 --> 00:13:18,798 Can I look at those photos again? 322 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:21,844 Yeah. 323 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:28,024 My daughter's clothing and her facial expressions, 324 00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:31,245 they match what's on my wife's social media feed. 325 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:33,813 Yeah, see? 326 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:36,250 Same smile, same clothes, 327 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:38,556 same body angle. 328 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,210 Someone photoshopped these. 329 00:13:40,254 --> 00:13:42,430 330 00:13:42,473 --> 00:13:43,910 Well, the techs just confirmed 331 00:13:43,953 --> 00:13:45,389 the pictures are fake. 332 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:47,043 So Hoyt wasn't a pedophile? 333 00:13:47,087 --> 00:13:49,002 He was a victim of an online smear campaign? 334 00:13:49,045 --> 00:13:50,438 Ah, sure seems like that. 335 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:51,874 Hey, sorry to interrupt, 336 00:13:51,918 --> 00:13:53,702 but I'm scrolling through this online forum 337 00:13:53,745 --> 00:13:55,225 where the photos of Hoyt were circulating, 338 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:56,792 and it is crazy. 339 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,751 There's lots of chatter about JFK Jr. being alive, 340 00:13:59,795 --> 00:14:02,102 and high-ranking democrats sex-trafficking underage kids. 341 00:14:02,145 --> 00:14:06,193 But one guy stands out as being the craziest of the crazies. 342 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:07,803 Someone named "Warri0r-p0se" 343 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,631 posted some pretty outrageous statements. 344 00:14:09,674 --> 00:14:12,112 "Hoyt will never touch another young girl." 345 00:14:12,155 --> 00:14:14,636 And he posted one this morning too at 11:12 a.m. 346 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,682 an hour after the murder. 347 00:14:17,726 --> 00:14:19,641 "Hoyt is no longer a problem. 348 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:21,338 God bless America." 349 00:14:21,382 --> 00:14:23,253 Run down the IP address right away. 350 00:14:23,297 --> 00:14:24,951 I already did. Post was sent from a café 351 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:27,040 in Brooklyn called Coffee and Smile. 352 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:29,433 - Oh. - Mm. 353 00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:31,348 Why has it become mandatory for coffee shops 354 00:14:31,392 --> 00:14:33,133 to be called stupid names? 355 00:14:33,176 --> 00:14:35,004 That's why I drink tea. 356 00:14:35,048 --> 00:14:37,093 Talk to the manager. See if they have video, 357 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,313 and see if you can find out who sent those posts. 358 00:14:39,356 --> 00:14:41,184 - All right. - You got it. 359 00:14:41,228 --> 00:14:44,361 [motor running] 360 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:48,452 Hey. 361 00:14:48,496 --> 00:14:50,454 Manny Lopez! - Yeah? 362 00:14:50,498 --> 00:14:52,630 Yeah, we need to talk. 363 00:14:52,674 --> 00:14:54,676 - About what? - Is that you drinking coffee 364 00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:56,983 at a place called Coffee and Smile? 365 00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:58,985 - Is that a crime? - Uh, no, not yet. 366 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:01,117 But the way things are going, who knows? 367 00:15:01,161 --> 00:15:03,511 Might be considered racist someday soon. 368 00:15:03,554 --> 00:15:05,556 It's only a matter of time, huh? 369 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,862 Well, there is a crime 370 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:10,344 against pushing someone in front of a bus. 371 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:12,172 That's why we're really here. 372 00:15:12,215 --> 00:15:13,738 Come on. 373 00:15:13,782 --> 00:15:16,002 Let's take a ride down to the precinct. 374 00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:18,091 [door shuts] 375 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:23,096 Manny, we, uh-- we analyzed your emails 376 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:25,968 and your chat history. 377 00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:28,362 You weren't the biggest fan of Derek Hoyt. 378 00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:31,843 Don't worry, bro. There's more. 379 00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:36,022 We found video of you near the intersection of 29th and 10th 380 00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:38,676 right around the time Hoyt was murdered. 381 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,765 Look at you, plain as day, 382 00:15:40,809 --> 00:15:42,724 one block from the crime scene 383 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:46,423 about 65 seconds before Hoyt was killed. 384 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:48,338 [gasps sarcastically] 385 00:15:48,382 --> 00:15:51,080 There you are again, walking east on 29th Street 386 00:15:51,124 --> 00:15:56,781 right behind Hoyt about 35 seconds before he was pushed. 387 00:15:56,825 --> 00:15:58,392 You want to get ahead of this, 388 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:00,350 tell us your side of the story? 389 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:06,791 390 00:16:06,835 --> 00:16:09,620 Derek Hoyt was a senior member of the liberal, 391 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:14,582 sex-crazed cabal that is destroying our country. 392 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:16,410 He planned to kidnap a young kid! 393 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:19,021 394 00:16:19,065 --> 00:16:20,370 So you killed him? 395 00:16:20,414 --> 00:16:22,024 Damn right! 396 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:23,417 I love this country. 397 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:25,158 So I did what I had to do. 398 00:16:25,201 --> 00:16:28,248 Yeah, you sure did. Now you gotta pay the tab, bro. 399 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:29,771 What does that mean? 400 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:31,903 It means you're under arrest for murder. 401 00:16:31,947 --> 00:16:33,644 Hold on, big fella! Hold on. 402 00:16:40,912 --> 00:16:43,089 The People ask for remand, Your Honor. 403 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:44,307 We believe the defendant is a flight risk, 404 00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:45,874 given the potential penalty he's facing. 405 00:16:45,917 --> 00:16:48,050 Mr. Lopez has no priors, 406 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:50,139 has substantial ties to New York. 407 00:16:50,183 --> 00:16:52,098 Bail is set at $2 million. 408 00:16:52,141 --> 00:16:53,577 That's prohibitive. 409 00:16:53,621 --> 00:16:55,971 Mr. Lopez doesn't have access to that kind of money. 410 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,191 - I'm not so sure about that. - Excuse me? 411 00:16:58,234 --> 00:16:59,801 My clerk informed me that apparently 412 00:16:59,844 --> 00:17:01,063 some self-proclaimed patriot 413 00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:04,110 started a GoFundMe page for Mr. Lopez. 414 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:06,286 Already raised $900,000. 415 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:08,244 Bail is set at $2 million. 416 00:17:08,288 --> 00:17:10,681 [gavel knocks] Next case. 417 00:17:12,683 --> 00:17:14,163 [knocks on door] 418 00:17:14,207 --> 00:17:15,904 Been reviewing the most recent posts 419 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:18,646 in Manny's favorite chat room, Rogue Wave. 420 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:19,951 There's lots of crazy chatter 421 00:17:19,995 --> 00:17:22,084 about Hoyt trafficking young kids, 422 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:25,131 straight out of the QAnon playbook. 423 00:17:25,174 --> 00:17:28,395 "Credible intel says Hoyt is abducting young children, 424 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:29,744 "selling them to sex-traffickers 425 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:31,180 in Washington, DC." 426 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:33,922 The next day, which is the actual day of the murder, 427 00:17:33,965 --> 00:17:35,576 the same person sent this: 428 00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:38,274 "FBI contact says Hoyt is carrying out 429 00:17:38,318 --> 00:17:39,884 "a kidnapping plot tonight. 430 00:17:39,928 --> 00:17:43,105 Unfortunately, feds don't have enough evidence to arrest." 431 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:46,152 Right after that, the same person sent this: 432 00:17:46,195 --> 00:17:49,764 "Who out there is brave enough to take action and protect 433 00:17:49,807 --> 00:17:53,289 our great country from the corrupt liberal cabal?" 434 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:57,119 So this poster is just inventing inflammatory lies, 435 00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:58,773 hoping to rile up the masses? 436 00:17:58,816 --> 00:18:00,775 It was even more targeted than that. 437 00:18:00,818 --> 00:18:02,864 He knew his audience. 438 00:18:02,907 --> 00:18:05,040 He was looking to rile up the specific people 439 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:07,260 who already believe these ridiculous lies. 440 00:18:07,303 --> 00:18:08,696 We know who this person is? 441 00:18:08,739 --> 00:18:10,219 No, email address is encrypted, 442 00:18:10,263 --> 00:18:12,482 but he's definitely the ringleader. 443 00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:16,182 He's the one who posted the phony pedophile photos too. 444 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:21,317 So if Manny actually believed what this poster was saying, 445 00:18:21,361 --> 00:18:24,712 killing Hoyt to thwart the alleged kidnapping 446 00:18:24,755 --> 00:18:27,671 actually makes some sense. 447 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:29,325 I mean, even though it's crazy. 448 00:18:29,369 --> 00:18:31,936 Good chance Manny's going to claim justification-- 449 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:34,025 thought Hoyt was going to kidnap a young girl, 450 00:18:34,069 --> 00:18:36,898 so he kills Hoyt to save the young girl. 451 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:38,378 Even though there really wasn't a young girl 452 00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:41,032 in harm's way. - Exactly. 453 00:18:41,076 --> 00:18:43,905 That's obviously a stretch, but 454 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:45,559 it'll give Manny's lawyer a chance 455 00:18:45,602 --> 00:18:47,561 to talk about the liberal lunatics, 456 00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,389 the alleged sex trafficking ring-- 457 00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:50,955 Make it about politics, not law. 458 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:54,568 Which means anything is possible. 459 00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:56,526 Call Cosgrove and Bernard. 460 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:59,790 Have them talk to HTAU and track down the IP address 461 00:18:59,834 --> 00:19:01,444 of this ringleader. 462 00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:03,054 We need to figure out 463 00:19:03,098 --> 00:19:05,796 why he was so invested in destroying Hoyt, 464 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,669 and if he's connected to this murder. 465 00:19:08,712 --> 00:19:09,800 On it. 466 00:19:09,844 --> 00:19:12,673 467 00:19:12,716 --> 00:19:14,196 Sorry, guys. We're recording. 468 00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:20,333 Kennel of troglodytes. The U.S. government has... 469 00:19:20,376 --> 00:19:21,769 - Reed. - Literally-- 470 00:19:21,812 --> 00:19:23,031 We need to talk. 471 00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:25,207 What is goin' on? Wha-- 472 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:30,778 473 00:19:30,821 --> 00:19:32,432 Ladies and gentlemen, 474 00:19:32,475 --> 00:19:35,435 two policemen have just entered my studio. 475 00:19:35,478 --> 00:19:38,612 My guess is, the liberal mafia gave 'em a call, 476 00:19:38,655 --> 00:19:39,787 told 'em to come on down here, 477 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:41,223 and stomp on my First Amendment rights, 478 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,964 and that's how it is these days, right? 479 00:19:43,007 --> 00:19:44,444 You don't like what a true patriot is saying, 480 00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:46,359 you take away their voice. You stomp on their rights 481 00:19:46,402 --> 00:19:49,492 to say what they believe, or better yet, 482 00:19:49,536 --> 00:19:51,059 you send the police after 'em. 483 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:53,322 Get off the damn mic, man. We have business to discuss. 484 00:19:53,366 --> 00:19:54,671 You have a warrant? 485 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:56,325 We'd just like to ask you a few questions. 486 00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:58,806 I'm not saying a damn word. Get the hell out of my studio. 487 00:19:58,849 --> 00:20:00,373 Watch yourself, Reed. 488 00:20:00,416 --> 00:20:05,029 Oh, the, uh, Black detective is now threatening me. 489 00:20:05,073 --> 00:20:07,510 Why did you post those crazy lies about Derek Hoyt? 490 00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:08,555 - Get out! - Hmm? 491 00:20:08,598 --> 00:20:10,296 - Now! - Why did you post-- 492 00:20:10,339 --> 00:20:11,514 Detective, I'm not saying it again. 493 00:20:11,558 --> 00:20:14,909 You heard me, Detective! Get out! 494 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:17,216 Kev, it's not worth it. 495 00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:19,435 496 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:20,480 [chuckles] 497 00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:23,831 498 00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:26,137 You think Jordan Reed was an accomplice? 499 00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:28,749 Oh, he stirred him up, that's for sure. 500 00:20:28,792 --> 00:20:30,925 He posted all kind of outrageous lies 501 00:20:30,968 --> 00:20:34,320 and made Hoyt into a pedophile, but there's more. 502 00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:38,193 Reed began to communicate directly with the defendant. 503 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,282 We found lots of phone calls between the two of them 504 00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:42,763 on the day prior to and on the day of the murder. 505 00:20:42,806 --> 00:20:46,245 Any legitimate reason for these two to be communicating? 506 00:20:46,288 --> 00:20:50,161 Reed is an Ivy League elitist who grew up on 5th Avenue, 507 00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:52,816 Manny's a day laborer from Staten Island. 508 00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:53,948 You think they were discussing 509 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:57,256 Hoyt's imminent demise? 510 00:20:57,299 --> 00:20:59,301 Wanna trade up, 511 00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:00,868 hold Reed accountable? 512 00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:06,830 Okay. 513 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:07,962 Talk to the defendant. 514 00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:10,225 See if he'll cooperate. 515 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:17,363 We know you pushed Derek Hoyt in front of that bus. 516 00:21:17,406 --> 00:21:21,454 Good news, for you, is we think Jordan Reed 517 00:21:21,497 --> 00:21:23,020 is really the one responsible. 518 00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:25,066 We're happy to cooperate 519 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:28,374 if you can reduce the charge to Man One. 520 00:21:28,417 --> 00:21:29,462 No promises. 521 00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:30,985 We'll listen to what he has to say. 522 00:21:31,028 --> 00:21:33,117 Come back with a deal in writing. 523 00:21:33,161 --> 00:21:35,729 Just answer their questions, Manny, and nothing you say 524 00:21:35,772 --> 00:21:38,122 can be used against you. 525 00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:40,908 You and Reed talked on the phone several times 526 00:21:40,951 --> 00:21:42,562 before and after the murder. 527 00:21:42,605 --> 00:21:44,041 What did you two discuss? 528 00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,261 We talked about a lot of things. 529 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,741 The country, 530 00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:50,352 the left-wing fascists trying to take over the country. 531 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,399 Did Reed talk to you about killing Derek Hoyt? 532 00:21:53,442 --> 00:21:55,052 Reed's a good guy. 533 00:21:55,096 --> 00:21:56,532 He's a straight shooter. 534 00:21:56,576 --> 00:21:58,491 No, he's a liar and a fraud. 535 00:21:58,534 --> 00:22:00,536 He was playing you, Manny. 536 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:02,277 Hoyt wasn't a pedophile. 537 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:06,063 He was a law-abiding family man who wanted to run for Congress. 538 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:08,065 Sure, that's what the liberal media says. 539 00:22:08,109 --> 00:22:09,632 No, that's what the facts say. 540 00:22:09,676 --> 00:22:12,113 Reed is using you and your chat room friends 541 00:22:12,156 --> 00:22:13,593 to become a billionaire. 542 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,159 For God sakes, Manny. 543 00:22:15,203 --> 00:22:18,598 You worry about you, not Reed. 544 00:22:18,641 --> 00:22:21,340 Now, you tell them what you two talked about. 545 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,650 He said Hoyt was very dangerous, 546 00:22:27,694 --> 00:22:29,130 a threat to the country, 547 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:31,437 that the wave was coming, and that he needed people 548 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,309 to neutralize that left-wing threat, 549 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:38,879 people willing to take bold and decisive action. 550 00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:40,315 Did he ask you to kill him? 551 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,796 He kept using the word "neutralize," 552 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,320 but I knew what he meant. 553 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:47,627 Did you expect anything in return for killing Hoyt-- 554 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:50,194 money, a car? 555 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:53,937 He said that his company rewards true patriots, 556 00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:58,464 those willing to take action, that kind of thing, you know? 557 00:22:58,507 --> 00:23:02,468 558 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:06,776 Docket number CR 54378-22, 559 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:10,780 People versus Jordan Reed, Murder in the First Degree. 560 00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:12,521 How does the defendant plead? 561 00:23:12,565 --> 00:23:14,915 Not guilty, Your Honor. 562 00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,917 - People on bail? - Remand. 563 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,266 The defendant is a flight risk. 564 00:23:18,309 --> 00:23:20,050 He has access to private jets, 565 00:23:20,094 --> 00:23:21,269 foreign political leaders-- 566 00:23:21,312 --> 00:23:23,271 This is preposterous, Your Honor. 567 00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:25,012 My client has done nothing wrong. 568 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:26,622 He's committed no crime. 569 00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:28,015 Not his fault some lunatic 570 00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,670 pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 571 00:23:30,713 --> 00:23:32,976 Bail is set at $1 million. 572 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,587 Next case. [gavel knocks] 573 00:23:36,327 --> 00:23:38,112 all chanting: 574 00:23:38,155 --> 00:23:41,115 Free Jordan Reed! Free Jordan Reed! 575 00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:43,422 So much for the home field advantage. 576 00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,467 Reed definitely has a hardcore following. 577 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,295 That's why we're here in the first place. 578 00:23:47,338 --> 00:23:48,775 all chanting: Free Jordan Reed! 579 00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:51,386 580 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:56,435 Derek Hoyt was a kind, decent husband and father. 581 00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:58,654 He was also an aspiring politician 582 00:23:58,698 --> 00:24:01,483 with a bright future. 583 00:24:01,527 --> 00:24:04,660 So in search of salacious headlines, 584 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:07,141 the defendant created a false narrative 585 00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:09,230 that Derek Hoyt was a pedophile-- 586 00:24:09,273 --> 00:24:12,625 that he was part of a depraved sex-trafficking ring 587 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:15,497 that preyed on underage children. 588 00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:19,632 To help perpetuate this disgraceful fiction, 589 00:24:19,675 --> 00:24:22,983 he disseminated fake photos of Derek Hoyt 590 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:24,680 and young girls on the internet. 591 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:29,990 You see, 592 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,514 inventing mythical enemies 593 00:24:32,558 --> 00:24:36,344 is a part of the defendant's business model. 594 00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:38,215 He creates clickbait. 595 00:24:38,259 --> 00:24:41,131 He provides exciting liberal enemies 596 00:24:41,175 --> 00:24:42,785 for his followers to hate. 597 00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:45,875 He then posts about these dangerous fascists 598 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,182 - and anti- - Americans on his websites, 599 00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:50,097 talks about them on his streaming platforms 600 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:53,361 and podcasts, but the only thing 601 00:24:53,404 --> 00:24:58,192 he really cares about is money. 602 00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:01,761 Monetizing the outrage and venom. 603 00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:02,805 That's how the defendant built 604 00:25:02,849 --> 00:25:05,808 his billion dollar media empire. 605 00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:09,899 In simplest terms, the defendant made Derek Hoyt 606 00:25:09,943 --> 00:25:12,249 an enemy of the far-right, 607 00:25:12,293 --> 00:25:14,295 then offered Manny Lopez 608 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:17,559 a misguided, but intelligent patriotic ex-marine 609 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:21,084 a financial reward to kill that enemy, 610 00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:23,391 and Manny Lopez did. 611 00:25:23,434 --> 00:25:26,612 He pushed him in front of a bus. 612 00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:33,575 613 00:25:38,014 --> 00:25:40,277 Tomorrow, you'll hear from Mr. Lopez himself. 614 00:25:40,321 --> 00:25:44,107 He will describe this murder-for-hire arrangement 615 00:25:44,151 --> 00:25:46,545 in more detail and make it clear 616 00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:50,940 the defendant should be held accountable 617 00:25:50,984 --> 00:25:52,899 for Mr. Hoyt's death. 618 00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:58,731 619 00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:00,733 [sighs] 620 00:26:00,776 --> 00:26:02,517 Sometimes, 621 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:06,434 murder trials can be complicated. 622 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:09,655 Now, sometimes, there's-- there's lots of science, 623 00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:13,310 blood evidence, contradictory testimony. 624 00:26:14,529 --> 00:26:18,446 But sometimes, they're easy. 625 00:26:18,489 --> 00:26:22,537 The answer is sittin' there right in front of you. 626 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:27,411 It's so simple and clear, it's almost confusing. 627 00:26:27,455 --> 00:26:29,718 This is one of those cases. 628 00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:35,202 Manny Lopez pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 629 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:36,943 Jordan Reed didn't. 630 00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:40,207 To hold him guilty for another man's act of violence 631 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:43,210 is contrary to the intent of the law, 632 00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:45,647 and a dangerous attempt to criminalize 633 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:48,781 the expression of free speech. 634 00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:52,436 If I say the coach of the New York Jets is terrible-- 635 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,960 [chuckling] Right? I mean he's an idiot-- 636 00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:56,484 he deserves to die. 637 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:59,966 And the next day, some lunatic kills him, 638 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:02,708 pushes him in front of a bus, for example. 639 00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:08,670 Am I responsible for what this deranged football fan did? 640 00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:11,499 No, of course not. 641 00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:15,982 Manny Lopez killed Derek Hoyt. 642 00:27:16,025 --> 00:27:18,549 Jordan Reed did not. 643 00:27:20,856 --> 00:27:22,510 Like I said, 644 00:27:22,553 --> 00:27:25,382 sometimes, cases are easy. 645 00:27:28,385 --> 00:27:30,170 Okay, we're adjourned. 646 00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:31,475 [gavel knocks] 647 00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:36,872 [cell phones vibrating] 648 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:39,832 649 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:40,920 Notify the judge. 650 00:27:40,963 --> 00:27:43,009 - I'll-- - I'll head down to the hospital. 651 00:27:43,052 --> 00:27:49,450 652 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:52,409 [indistinct PA announcement] 653 00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:57,937 654 00:27:57,980 --> 00:28:00,853 Excuse me, I'm looking for Manuel Lopez. 655 00:28:00,896 --> 00:28:03,072 I was told he was just rushed to the ER. 656 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:05,553 - And you are? - Assistant District Attorney 657 00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:07,033 Nolan Price. Manny's supposed to be 658 00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:09,818 testifying in a murder trial tomorrow morning. 659 00:28:09,862 --> 00:28:12,125 Well, I'm afraid that's not possible. 660 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:13,779 He's dead. 661 00:28:13,822 --> 00:28:15,258 He's dead? 662 00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:17,739 He hanged himself earlier this morning in his cell. 663 00:28:17,783 --> 00:28:19,915 We tried to revive him, but there was nothing we could do. 664 00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:26,922 665 00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,232 Your Honor, the People's case was predicated 666 00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:34,713 on Manny Lopez's testimony. 667 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:37,106 He was, in effect, the only piece of evidence 668 00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:39,630 that could establish that Mr. Reed hired him 669 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:40,719 to kill the victim. 670 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,155 So without Manny, 671 00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,027 it's literally impossible to prove murder-for-hire. 672 00:28:45,071 --> 00:28:47,334 No Manny, no case. Simple as that. 673 00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:50,076 Mr. Price, that true? 674 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,992 Is Mr. Lopez the only ace up your sleeve? 675 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,081 Do you have anything else that gives you a puncher's chance 676 00:28:55,124 --> 00:28:57,474 to prove your case? - Not at the moment. 677 00:28:57,518 --> 00:28:59,433 Then I'm going to grant the motion to dismiss. 678 00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,000 I have no objection to dismissing 679 00:29:01,043 --> 00:29:03,002 the murder-for-hire charge. 680 00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,569 But we'd still like to proceed 681 00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:08,137 with the lesser-included offense, Murder Two. 682 00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:09,443 Under what theory? 683 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:11,314 Your client showed a depraved indifference 684 00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:13,447 to human life. - Oh, this is ridiculous. 685 00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:17,756 Reed's lies, his posts, and photos incited Manny Lopez 686 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:18,800 to commit murder. 687 00:29:18,844 --> 00:29:21,629 He knew, or should have known, 688 00:29:21,672 --> 00:29:23,892 that his repeated fabrications would likely cause 689 00:29:23,936 --> 00:29:26,677 one of his ardent followers to kill Derek Hoyt. 690 00:29:26,721 --> 00:29:29,680 Is this a joke? You wanna try Reed for murder 691 00:29:29,724 --> 00:29:32,509 based on a series of stupid chat room posts? 692 00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:33,641 That's exactly what I wanna do. 693 00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:34,773 Chat room posts, 694 00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:36,731 social media rants, they're protected 695 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,254 under the First Amendment. 696 00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,430 Jordan Reed can say whatever the hell he wants. 697 00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:42,519 He could talk about liberal cannibals 698 00:29:42,563 --> 00:29:45,087 and underage sex trafficking rings all day long. 699 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:48,003 Your client yelled "fire" in a crowded movie theater, 700 00:29:48,047 --> 00:29:51,528 and Derek Hoyt got trampled to death. 701 00:29:51,572 --> 00:29:54,531 We have every right to move forward on Murder Two. 702 00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:59,406 I agree with Mr. Price. There's a case here. 703 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:02,583 I'm not sure if it's winnable, but it's certainly triable. 704 00:30:02,626 --> 00:30:04,803 So let's do it. 705 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:10,634 706 00:30:10,678 --> 00:30:12,288 When the photos were enlarged, 707 00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:15,378 significant pixelation and discoloring were evident-- 708 00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:17,554 two telltale signs of alteration. 709 00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:19,382 So they're fake? They were photoshopped? 710 00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:21,602 Yes, the images from the young girls' 711 00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:25,475 legitimate social accounts were copied and then transposed 712 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,348 onto photos with Derek Hoyt and vice-versa. 713 00:30:28,391 --> 00:30:31,873 These fake photos were posted to a virtual community 714 00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:34,397 called Rogue Wave, a place where believers 715 00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,878 in the so-called QAnon conspiracy theory 716 00:30:36,922 --> 00:30:39,315 gather to share ideas. 717 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:40,577 Were you able to determine 718 00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:42,623 which IP address they were sent from? 719 00:30:42,666 --> 00:30:47,933 Yes. IP address 198.51.100.0/24. 720 00:30:48,672 --> 00:30:51,893 These statements were also posted to Rogue Wave. 721 00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:54,026 Do you know which IP address they came from? 722 00:30:54,069 --> 00:30:55,505 Yes, same one. 723 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:58,247 And were you able to trace that IP address 724 00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:00,597 to a particular office? - Yes. 725 00:31:00,641 --> 00:31:02,991 It was located in a large corner office 726 00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:05,951 in a company called Audix, LLC. 727 00:31:05,994 --> 00:31:10,085 The nameplate on the door said, "Jordan Reed." 728 00:31:10,129 --> 00:31:11,304 Nothing further. 729 00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:19,399 You have no proof Mr. Reed 730 00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:22,750 actually created those photos, correct? 731 00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:24,883 No, but they were sent from his computer. 732 00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:29,539 You also have no proof Mr. Reed wrote or posted 733 00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:32,629 those statements to Rogue Wave? 734 00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:36,982 I don't, but they were sent from his computer. 735 00:31:37,025 --> 00:31:38,157 Nothing further. 736 00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:42,813 We have the posts and the photos. 737 00:31:42,857 --> 00:31:45,816 It's not perfect, but it'll show that Reed 738 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:48,167 wanted to incite action-- 739 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:50,386 no, that his objective 740 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:52,911 was to prompt his most zealous followers 741 00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:56,566 to commit an act of violence against Derek Hoyt. 742 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,265 It's a good start, but we need more 743 00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:01,832 to bolster our theory of depraved indifference. 744 00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:05,575 We need to show Reed knew there was a strong likelihood 745 00:32:05,619 --> 00:32:08,317 Manny would kill Hoyt based on his outrageous posts 746 00:32:08,361 --> 00:32:09,840 and only those outrageous posts. 747 00:32:09,884 --> 00:32:12,887 We have what we have. I mean, it'd be great 748 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:14,454 if I had a beach house in South Hampton, 749 00:32:14,497 --> 00:32:15,803 but I don't, so I make do 750 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:17,936 with my cousin's cottage on the Jersey Shore 751 00:32:17,979 --> 00:32:20,025 for three days in August. 752 00:32:20,068 --> 00:32:23,593 We're asking the jury to convict someone for murder, 753 00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:25,987 for spreading lies on the internet. 754 00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:27,989 This could be ground-breaking, 755 00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:29,599 like convicting Trump for the murders 756 00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:32,167 that took place on January 6th. 757 00:32:32,211 --> 00:32:34,213 We need to give the jury more. 758 00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:39,218 We know Manny attended three recent rallies 759 00:32:39,261 --> 00:32:41,220 where Reed was the featured speaker. 760 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:43,918 So let's start there. 761 00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:47,008 762 00:32:47,052 --> 00:32:49,489 Is that you standing beside Jordan Reed? 763 00:32:49,532 --> 00:32:51,099 Yeah, that's me. 764 00:32:51,143 --> 00:32:52,318 What'd you two talk about? 765 00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:54,059 Nothing too specific. 766 00:32:54,102 --> 00:32:56,757 Did he ever mention a guy named Derek Hoyt? 767 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,019 No, Who's he? 768 00:32:58,063 --> 00:32:59,890 He got murdered a while ago. 769 00:32:59,934 --> 00:33:02,197 The guy you're standing next to, Manny Lopez, pushed him 770 00:33:02,241 --> 00:33:05,200 in front of a bus. - Damn. 771 00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:07,115 That's crazy. - Did Manny say anything 772 00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:10,205 to Reed that might suggest he'd do something violent? 773 00:33:10,249 --> 00:33:12,207 No, he barely talked. 774 00:33:12,251 --> 00:33:13,426 Did you guys talk about anything 775 00:33:13,469 --> 00:33:15,515 other than how screwed up the country is? 776 00:33:15,558 --> 00:33:18,039 Yeah, lots of stuff. 777 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:19,084 Like what? 778 00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:20,694 Uh, the Knicks. 779 00:33:20,737 --> 00:33:23,262 Me and Reed were pissed about Kemba Walker being benched. 780 00:33:25,481 --> 00:33:27,048 They didn't talk about Derek Hoyt 781 00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:28,571 or committing acts of violence? 782 00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:29,964 It was just a pleasant chat 783 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,836 about life in America, circa 2022? 784 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,621 According to Pond, they talked about 785 00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:39,017 everything but Hoyt or committing acts of violence. 786 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:40,496 This is bad. 787 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,411 It's exculpatory too. 788 00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:43,978 I'm not so sure. 789 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:46,372 It contradicts our entire thesis that Reed was baiting 790 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:47,764 his followers to attack Hoyt. 791 00:33:47,808 --> 00:33:49,462 This is just one conversation, 792 00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:52,030 one simple sound bite-- - A simple sound bite 793 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:55,424 that favors the defendant. 794 00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:57,078 [sighs] You're right. 795 00:33:57,122 --> 00:33:59,254 796 00:33:59,298 --> 00:34:03,432 We need to notify defense. Let them know what we found, 797 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:06,435 and then we need to get back to work, 798 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:08,829 and figure out how to win this damn case. 799 00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:13,529 800 00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:17,707 Did you attend a political rally 801 00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:20,145 at a restaurant called The Grey Lion on March 10th? 802 00:34:20,188 --> 00:34:23,496 - Yes. - At this event, 803 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:27,021 did you happen to have a conversation with Jordan Reed 804 00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,023 and Manny Lopez? - I did. 805 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:31,417 What did you three discuss? 806 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:33,941 We talked about how screwed up our country is. 807 00:34:33,984 --> 00:34:35,943 Can you be more specific? 808 00:34:35,986 --> 00:34:38,119 We talked about how much the liberals hate us, 809 00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:40,121 how stupid they think we are. 810 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:42,428 If I dare to express a view contrary to theirs, 811 00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:46,040 I'm an idiot, a racist, homophobic... 812 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,477 I mean, this is America. 813 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:49,913 We should be able to express our views 814 00:34:49,957 --> 00:34:51,828 without being attacked. 815 00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:53,787 Did you discuss anything else? 816 00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:55,397 Yes. 817 00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:56,790 The New York Knicks. 818 00:34:56,833 --> 00:35:00,228 Ha. [chuckles] 819 00:35:00,272 --> 00:35:04,145 Did Jordan Reed ask you or Manny Lopez 820 00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:06,452 to commit an act of violence, 821 00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:10,238 to help protect the country against the liberal cabal? 822 00:35:10,282 --> 00:35:11,935 No, sir. 823 00:35:14,155 --> 00:35:15,417 Nothing further. 824 00:35:17,202 --> 00:35:18,638 You weren't standing next to Manny Lopez 825 00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:19,813 the whole night, correct? 826 00:35:19,856 --> 00:35:21,162 - Correct. - You weren't standing 827 00:35:21,206 --> 00:35:22,859 next to Jordan Reed the whole night either? 828 00:35:22,903 --> 00:35:24,557 - Correct. - So it's possible 829 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,602 Manny Lopez and Jordan Reed may have discussed something else 830 00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:29,127 including committing acts of violence, correct? 831 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:31,303 - It's possible, but-- - This wasn't the only 832 00:35:31,346 --> 00:35:33,261 political event Mr. Reed ever sponsored, correct? 833 00:35:33,305 --> 00:35:35,524 No. He puts on lots of rallies. 834 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:37,091 Once a week, actually. 835 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:40,616 [dramatic music] 836 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,662 How'd you find out about these rallies? 837 00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:43,880 Word of mouth, mostly. 838 00:35:43,924 --> 00:35:45,447 People usually text each other. 839 00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:47,188 840 00:35:47,232 --> 00:35:48,668 Thank you. Nothing further. 841 00:35:48,711 --> 00:35:50,757 842 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,324 Get a subpoena for Pond's phone. 843 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,196 We need to review his texts then do a deep dive 844 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,850 into every rally Reed's attended 845 00:35:56,893 --> 00:35:58,286 for the past few months. 846 00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:01,071 Then have detectives scrub the surveillance footage. 847 00:36:01,115 --> 00:36:04,118 We need a clip, a quote, a sound bite, 848 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,729 something that reveals who Jordan Reed really is. 849 00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:09,645 Happy to do it, but why? 850 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:11,081 Excuse me? 851 00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:13,083 We rested our case two days ago. 852 00:36:13,127 --> 00:36:14,868 Even if we find something interesting, 853 00:36:14,911 --> 00:36:16,217 we can't introduce it. 854 00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:18,219 But we can use it on cross. 855 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:19,916 Once again, happy to do it, 856 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,309 but there is no indication 857 00:36:21,353 --> 00:36:23,311 that Reed is actually going to testify. 858 00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:26,140 You really think the biggest media whore in America 859 00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,534 is gonna pass up the opportunity to wrap himself 860 00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:29,752 in the First Amendment, 861 00:36:29,796 --> 00:36:31,580 and provide free content 862 00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:33,060 for his media company? 863 00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:34,279 Not a chance. 864 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:36,890 Get the subpoena, and start scrubbing. 865 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:41,721 866 00:36:41,764 --> 00:36:46,900 Have you spent any time in a chat room called Rogue Wave? 867 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:48,075 I'm aware of it, 868 00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:51,078 but I've actually never participated 869 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:54,299 in any online discussions. 870 00:36:54,342 --> 00:36:57,084 Like I said, we have over 500 employees at the company, 871 00:36:57,127 --> 00:36:59,260 and most of them are very patriotic too. 872 00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:02,394 So it's possible one of them might have used my computer. 873 00:37:02,437 --> 00:37:03,830 Mm-hmm. 874 00:37:03,873 --> 00:37:05,092 Nothing further. 875 00:37:07,137 --> 00:37:08,226 You ready? 876 00:37:11,490 --> 00:37:13,796 Highly unusual for an employee 877 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,103 to use the CEO's office without his knowledge 878 00:37:16,146 --> 00:37:17,757 or permission, correct? 879 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,062 Not at my company. 880 00:37:19,106 --> 00:37:21,195 We have an open and inclusive culture. 881 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,283 Doors are never closed. 882 00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:23,763 In fact, most offices 883 00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:25,155 don't even have doors. 884 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,201 - Your office has a door. - Yes. 885 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,987 But I never close it or lock it. 886 00:37:31,031 --> 00:37:32,859 Your computer has a password, correct? 887 00:37:32,902 --> 00:37:34,643 It does, yes, but it's written 888 00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:36,906 on one of those yellow sticky things 889 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:37,994 stuck to the computer. 890 00:37:38,038 --> 00:37:40,083 It's... it's low-tech, I know, 891 00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:42,303 but I'm always forgetting my damn passwords. 892 00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:45,611 You know, too many devices and subscriptions... 893 00:37:45,654 --> 00:37:48,657 You said it earlier a lot of your employees are patriotic. 894 00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,224 You consider yourself a patriot too? 895 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,443 Yes, of course. 896 00:37:51,486 --> 00:37:53,314 I imagine you also consider yourself 897 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:55,447 a proud proponent of the First Amendment. 898 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:56,317 I do. 899 00:37:56,361 --> 00:37:58,928 Freedom of speech is 900 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:01,453 the cornerstone of our democracy. 901 00:38:01,496 --> 00:38:05,195 It's the defining feature of our country. 902 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,198 People have the right to express 903 00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:10,375 their religious and political beliefs 904 00:38:10,418 --> 00:38:12,246 even if they're unpopular, 905 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:16,076 even if the people in power find them abhorrent, 906 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,905 and that open exchange right there, 907 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:22,343 that is what makes America the greatest country on Earth. 908 00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:25,172 So your goal was to foster 909 00:38:25,215 --> 00:38:28,349 the open exchange of opinions and ideas? 910 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:31,744 Yes, I just wanna give patriotic Americans a forum 911 00:38:31,787 --> 00:38:33,659 to express their thoughts. 912 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:36,836 You know, contrary to popular opinion, Mr. Price, 913 00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:39,795 most conservatives don't enjoy the didactic rhetoric 914 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,275 of the far-left. 915 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:44,365 So despite the outrageous and inflammatory posts 916 00:38:44,409 --> 00:38:46,672 sent from your office computer, 917 00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:48,108 your goal was simply 918 00:38:48,151 --> 00:38:51,067 to cultivate a peaceful exchange of ideas? 919 00:38:51,111 --> 00:38:52,678 - Yes. - You didn't want 920 00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:54,723 your followers to commit acts of violence? 921 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,290 No, no, no. 922 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,423 No, that would be the last thing I'd ever want. 923 00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:03,210 I'd like to show you a video clip of you talking 924 00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:05,647 to one of your employees at a recent rally-- 925 00:39:05,691 --> 00:39:08,128 Objection. We haven't had a chance 926 00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:09,564 to review this material. 927 00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:11,392 There was no reason to share it until now. 928 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:13,568 We couldn't anticipate the defendant would testify, 929 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:17,006 and open the door with his statements about cultivating 930 00:39:17,050 --> 00:39:19,574 the peaceful exchange of ideas. 931 00:39:19,618 --> 00:39:22,142 And this video clip will rebut those statements? 932 00:39:22,185 --> 00:39:24,405 It will directly contradict what the defendant just said 933 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:28,061 regarding his goals and objectives. 934 00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:29,497 I'll allow it. 935 00:39:34,807 --> 00:39:36,417 Look at these idiots, 936 00:39:36,461 --> 00:39:38,593 drinkin', gettin' all riled up. 937 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,076 If we could just find a way to activate these morons 938 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,338 to actually attack 939 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,645 or even kill 940 00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:49,909 some trans-bathroom-loving liberal, 941 00:39:49,952 --> 00:39:52,868 we-- 942 00:39:52,912 --> 00:39:55,784 we'd be the number one media company in the world. 943 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:57,569 [dramatic music] 944 00:39:57,612 --> 00:39:58,961 [chuckles] 945 00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:03,357 946 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:07,187 A waiter took that video at a recent rally. 947 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:11,452 It shows you saying you'd like to see one of "these morons" 948 00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:14,237 attack or kill someone. 949 00:40:14,281 --> 00:40:18,285 - I was kidding. - Come on, that-- - I was joking. 950 00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:20,243 That's a hell of a thing to joke about. 951 00:40:20,287 --> 00:40:26,032 952 00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:27,207 Nothing further. 953 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,687 954 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:29,818 Defense? 955 00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:31,341 Nothing at this time. 956 00:40:31,385 --> 00:40:37,217 957 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:39,219 Has the jury reached a verdict? 958 00:40:39,262 --> 00:40:40,699 We have, Your Honor. 959 00:40:40,742 --> 00:40:42,483 On the count of Murder in the Second Degree, 960 00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:44,137 we find the defendant... 961 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:46,748 guilty. - [laughs] 962 00:40:46,792 --> 00:40:48,707 You've got to be-- 963 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:51,187 get off of me. 964 00:40:51,231 --> 00:40:53,494 This isn't over. This isn't over! 965 00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:56,279 The true patriots will have the last say. 966 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:58,238 They will not stand for this act of tyranny! 967 00:40:58,281 --> 00:41:01,502 968 00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:02,982 Hell of a verdict, Nolan. 969 00:41:03,025 --> 00:41:05,854 Will make people think twice before tweeting venom. 970 00:41:05,898 --> 00:41:07,073 I'm not so sure. 971 00:41:07,116 --> 00:41:09,554 Someone called "garrett-from-the-country" 972 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:12,121 just tweeted me a particularly venomous death threat. 973 00:41:12,165 --> 00:41:17,779 974 00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:24,743 [dramatic music] 975 00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:31,706 976 00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:48,462 977 00:41:51,073 --> 00:41:53,989 [wolf howls] 67986

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