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narrator: Previously,
on "The Thing About Pam"...

- [gasps] Ah!

- Just give us our money, Pam.
- Or we'll sue you.

- What deposition?

- The one for the girls'
lawsuit against you.

- Hi, this is DA Askey.
I'd like the sheriff's office

to draw up a destruction
of evidence order.

- How do you like
working for her?

- I don't work for Leah.
I work for the county.

- Mike Wood.
You working in Troy?

- The DA's office.
Nothing major.

- The court finds
the defendant,

Russell Scott Faria,
not guilty.

- So Mom's killer just gets
to walk away and that's it?

- Looks like it.

- Well, this
is what you wanted.

I can't do anything
without you.

- [screaming]

[sinister music]

♪

narrator:
The past is a powerful thing.

How it shapes us, changes us.

And, of course,
how it can inform the future.

- Hey, what's all this?

- Um, it's money.

- Whose?
- Mine.

- From where?

- Do you still have
that big suitcase?

You know,
the one with the tassels?

I couldn't find it.

- Pam, do not do this.

I just came from the house
on Berrywood.

I thought we were
gonna make an offer.

We--we were gonna
make things work here.

- It's hot today, isn't it?

- It's hot every day.

You really need
to check out Berrywood.

It's gonna go fast.

- See, that is the problem
with Florida.

It's always hot.

I don't--I don't wanna wait
till the holidays

to move to Missouri.
I wanna go now.

- But we had a plan here.
- Well, plans change.

I changed my whole life to move
to Florida for your baseball.

We all know how that went.

- Okay, but does all this
have something to do

with all of that?

- Well, that's just wet cash.

You always read into things.

This is about
what's best for us, okay?

- Okay. I just don't see
what's the hurry.

- I need a change, okay?

I wanna get away
from all these people.

- What people?

- Ugh, Mrs. Fitzgerald
and all of them, everybody.

- Isn't Mrs. Fitzgerald
the one with the gout?

I thought she already died.

- Yeah, and all of a sudden,

her family's got
some problem with me.

They won't even let me plan
the memorial service

even though I got them an in

with the hottest
funeral director in Naples.

- Okay.

We don't even have
a place to live up in Missouri.

- We'll stay at my mom's.

- She said that Sarah
is not allowed in her house.

She disowned her.

- That's just Mom.

Just, here, help me out.

Here.

[dryer whirring]

[sinister music]

♪

Need to return this.
Didn't have a tag.

I don't know why
it never had a tag.

And I don't have
the receipt neither. Sorry.

- We can only do store credit
with no receipt. Is that okay?

- Mm.
I bought this for my dog.

He broke his legs.
His back legs. Both of them.

- Oh.
- He has a little wheelie cart.

You know those?
So cute, but sad.

Now, I just wanted him
to have something nice,

but it's too small.

Look, it barely fits
on my wrist.

He's gained some weight.
You know, because--

- Right.
- I paid cash for it.

Can I have cash back?

- I'm sorry, it's policy.

- Well, can you talk
to your manager?

Or I can?

- Sure, no problem.

[indistinct whispers]

- Wait, that's Pam Hupp?
Like from the "Dateline" show?

- Yeah.

narrator: Here she was,

the once anonymous
housewife and mother,

now the TV star,
the talk of the town.

The famous Pam Hupp.

- She killed that woman, right?

narrator: Was Pam realizing
she might not be famous,

so much as infamous?

- How you doing, Mike?
- Hey.

- Sorry I'm late.

- No, no, I appreciate
you taking the time.

- Of course.
Nate says hello, by the way.

- Oh, I owe him a beer.

So I saw you in the latest
"Dateline" piece.

- [chuckling]

- You still believe
Pam Hupp was involved?

- Yeah, I always have.

Unfortunately, my opinion,
no matter how well supported,

doesn't change anything.

Unless, of course,
you can convince

Leah Askey to reopen the case.

- Yeah, I think she's rather
swallow glass, to be honest.

- It's the truth.

- But what if I ran
against her for DA?

And what if the thing
to get her out

is doing exactly
what you wanted?

Showing who really did it.

Pam Hupp.

What else do you know?

What else can you tell me?
I want the facts to come out.

- We can talk about Pam, sure.

But what else?

- That's it.

- That's it?

You're gonna build an entire
campaign around one person?

An anti-Pam platform?

- No, I'm building it
around the idea

that one person hid the truth.

That I'm the guy
that can find it, prosecute it,

and get real justice.

- Okay.

So Pam.

Pam. Where do I begin?

- And, I don't know,
I just get

this weird energy and stuff,
you know?

I don't know,
I can't put my finger on it.

But people were
looking at me weird.

I can't even make a return
without getting chased out.

Everybody's treating me
like I killed Betsy

'cause that's what the TV says.

- Hey, Mom, could you just--?

- The whole town
has turned their backs on me.

I think I'm gonna cry.

Ugh. What?

- Maybe we think about moving.
- What?

Whoa, whoa.

- Well, it's not just you.

Travis and Sarah and I have
been getting the blowback too.

- You all are being
a big bunch of babies.

I'm the one
taking the hits here.

And you don't see me
running away, do you?

And what would you have us
do about Derby Road?

It's a quick flip too.

Sarah will buy it,
as soon as we're done.

- I wouldn't count on that,
Mom.

- Then we can buy
up Greenleaf Street.

There's a fixer-upper hitting
the market in a month.

- I don't know. If you lose
this insurance trial,

we're gonna need the Derby
money to pay Betsy's girls.

- "If we lose."
You think I'm gonna lose?

- All I'm saying is when
we came back from Florida,

it was your idea.

- Yeah.
- A great one.

We all got a fresh start
and it worked out, right?

Yeah.
- Mm-hmm. Exactly.

- Yeah.

- It's working out.
So why would we leave?

You want to stay in Florida
and keep flipping, remember?

That's all's I'm saying now.
Stay and flip.

Hey, I'm on your side here.

So what's the problem?

[sinister music]

♪

- It's no problem.

- I'm telling you, it ain't.

The coroner ruled it
an accident.

But her system had 14 times

the recommended dosage
of Ambien.

Now, if Shirley had tripped
and fallen into the railing,

it would have been only
425 pounds of force max.

But our engineering expert
tells me that it would take

at least 2,000 pounds of force
to cause any damage.

- You think someone kicked off
the railing

to break it on purpose?

- Wait, well, we don't know
who did what.

But what we do know is this.

Someone left a pitcher of water
on Shirley's balcony

as if she fell
while watering her plants.

But it was raining that day.

And for the second time,

Pam Hupp collected money
when someone close to her died.

$120,000
of Shirley's investments

and a share
of her life insurance policy.

One theory is that Pam Hupp
killed her friend

and then her own mother,
simply for the money.

- Pam was always here.

Always taking care of Shirley,

who wasn't an easy customer,
let me tell you.

- So she was attentive.
That's great.

But did you find it curious

when the night
before Shirley's accident,

Pam said Shirley
wouldn't be down for dinner

and not to worry about
breakfast the next day either?

- No. Not at the time.

- May I ask why?

- She's just such a nice lady.

- That's what I keep hearing.

- I don't think
she's so nice anymore though.

I'm not sure
what I think about Pam.

narrator: Pam was an avid
reader of crime novels,

a fascination
that would intersect

with her own reality.

[phone ringing]

- Hi, it's Cathy Singer
from "Dateline."

- Hey, Cat.
Good to hear from you.

How's Chicago?

- Well, actually, I'm wrapping
things up here in Troy.

- Oh. You're in town.

- Yeah, that's why I called.
I heard about Shirley.

- Yeah, I didn't kill my mom,
if that's what you're asking.

The balcony did.

- Well, we're doing another
"Dateline," and we should talk.

Hear your side of things.

- Oh, really? Another one?

Figured that'd be
all wrapped up.

- No, not at all.

Especially
with Russ's exoneration.

So what do you say?

Can we set a time to chat?

- No, thanks.

[dramatic music]

narrator: That funny feeling

when you're the subject of
a story that just won't end.

.

- [humming]

narrator: Five years since
their mother's death,

Betsy's girls
were still coping.

And still hadn't seen a dime

of the insurance money.

- Hey, let me make you
some tea instead.

You'll sleep better.

- No, thanks.

- Well, that looks pretty full.

Must have a lot to write about.

- I just write about Mom.

Letters, poems.

- Letters?
- Yeah.

Yep. Stuff I wish I said.

Sometimes, I write to Russ.

My perspective on things.

I don't send them though.
It's just for me.

- Oh.

Well, you better get some rest.
Big day tomorrow.

[dialing, line ringing]

- It's Pam. Leave a message.

- Hey, Pam, it's Janet.

I know it's late,
but if you could give me

a call back, we could get
this figured out tonight.

There's no need to go
to court tomorrow when--

well, you know the right thing.

Just give the girls
their money.

That's what you told Betsy
you were gonna do.

[dramatic music]

♪

- Pam!
- Pam!

- Here!
- Pam!

- Over here!
- Pam!

- I think we're all aware
this is a long shot.

The paperwork's paperwork.

But we're gonna do our best
to show Pam's hand in this.

- And are we gonna go up
on the stand?

- I'm not sure you girls
testifying is a good idea.

Pam's guy will poke holes
and turn sympathy against you.

- They made us testify
in the last trials

and now we're not allowed?

- You're allowed, I just would
advise against it in this case.

[dramatic music]

- Sit here, Mom.

♪

- Maybe he's here for us.

- He kills Mom
and then he wants to see us

get the money?
I doubt it.

[sinister music]

♪

- Here comes Pam
and her creepy husband.

- Don't look at them.

- I can't help it.
They're so weird.

- I know.

- Thanks.

- Raise your right hand.

Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth,

and nothing but the truth
so help you God?

- I do.
- You may take the stand.

- State your name
for the record.

- Pamela Marie Hupp, H-U-P-P.

- And you're the defendant,

the party being sued
in this lawsuit?

- Mm-hmm.
I can--I can hardly hear you.

- Did you hear the question?
- I did.

- Judge, I'd like
to treat the witness

as hostile at this time.

- You may.

- You just raised your hand

and you took an oath to tell
the whole truth, correct?

- Yes.

- The same oath you took
when you testified

in the Russ Faria trial?

- Yes.

- You understood at that time
that you're obligated

to testify truthfully,
and you did, correct?

- Mm-hmm.

I have a traumatic brain injury

and concussion syndrome
from an accident.

- Did you have any these
memory problems

during that deposition?
- I didn't think I did.

I don't feel like I do
when I'm talking,

but I obviously do.

- Would you please read
the letter in front of you?

- No, I can't read that.

I need my glasses
from my husband.

- So you gave law enforcement
incorrect information?

- Yes, that is
a correct statement.

Uh, there are also
other statements in there

that do not say that.

They attacked me.

I don't understand
what you're saying.

Detective McCarrick pressured
me to open that trust.

It's on video. Mm-hmm.

I can't hear you.

$100,000 of that
I put in a trust for the girls

and $50,000 of that
I was trying to give

to this other friend of mine
who was dying.

It was harassment.

It wasn't just them.

I changed my mind.

I can't hear you.

She was obsessed.

Brain injury, remember?

- Oh, I remember.

Ms. Hupp,
I see you closed the trust

for the Day sisters
in December of 2013.

Also in December 2013,
you deposited $134,000

into your personal
checking account.

Where did $134,000--

- Wait, what?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, whoa.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

- Your honor--
- Whoa, whoa, whoa!

I don't know
what you're talking about.

This has nothing to do
with me drawing up a trust.

- I'd like the court
to have the witness

answer the question.

- If you don't understand
the question,

you can ask him to rephrase.
- Okay, okay.

- But don't volunteer
testimony, ma'am,

that's not in response
to the question.

- That's not in response to--

It's--the trust wasn't made
until after her death.

So that's got nothing
to do with it.

She didn't even know I made it.

- Well, if there's an objection
to the question,

then your lawyers,
they will make it.

Otherwise, just answer
the question, okay?

- You deposited $134,000
into your personal

checking account
in December 2013, correct?

- Yes.

- That's a lot of money
for one deposit

into your checking account.

Where did it come from?

- What, do you think I'm poor?

My money could've come
from anywhere.

Everywhere.
A bunch of different places.

- Have you lied to anybody else
about what you were gonna do

with these
life insurance proceeds?

- I lie when people bug me.

And bug me and bug me.

[sinister music]

♪

- I have no further questions.

- He got her.

- The court will
stand at recess until 1:30.

- I got it.

- [clears throat]

- Well, I think that went well.
- Yeah.

- What's up with you?

Your IBS? I got pills.

- No, no, no.
I'm fine, I just--

I just can't believe
all those awful things

they said about you.

- Well, then don't.

- But you said you were a liar.

- Everybody lies, Winnie.
That's the world.

- Right. Yeah.

- You sure you're okay?

You don't seem like yourself.

- Oh, well,
I'm not feeling that well.

I've got a sore throat.

- Well, maybe I have something.

[sinister music]

♪

- What's that?
- It's a lozenge.

You got a sore throat,
you need a lozenge.

- [clears throat]

- Okay?

- Hey.

- I should've just said
I'm sorry to him.

- No, don't.

- They won't even look at me.

- Well, I would've slammed
the door in his face.

- I know, I just thought
that maybe he wanted to talk.

Like maybe there was
some part of him

that wanted to see us win.

- I can't talk
to them here anyway.

We'd have to go through Jill

because we don't want any
he said, she said.

It's fine, you know?

Those girls said all they need
to say on the stand.

That's that.

- Maybe we should just go.

- Nah.

I came to see Pam lose.

.

- So is that it?
Are we gonna get to talk?

- I don't know.

- That's it. It's time
for closing statements.

- Really? Are you--

Are you sure?

We--we can still testify.

Pam just said she opened
the trust back up,

right in front of our faces.

- It's a can of worms.

Trust me.
It's cleaner this way.

- Okay.

If you think so.
- Yeah.

- To be honest, Mrs. Hupp,

you didn't do yourself
any favors up there.

- Well, it was ridiculousness.

What was I supposed to say?

- Not that.
- Counselor.

- Excuse me.

Your Honor,
if Mrs. Faria's intent

was to pass this money
on to her children,

the best way to do that
would've been to name them.

But neither one of her children
are named on

any of the three policies
that she had.

We've heard from not only
Pam Hupp, but multiple people

who've said
that Betsy had concerns

as to whether her children

were even reliable enough
to handle the money.

And I'm not about to argue
for Pam's credibility.

She's not a credible witness.

But that's not the issue here.

If you want to know
Betsy's true intent...

This is her intent.

Everything else
is just he said, she said.

- I'll ask you this
one more time, Mr. Evers.

Where is the evidence

that indicates what Betsy
intended to do with the money?

- The evidence is that it was
intended for the girls

to get the money
when they're older.

It has been four years.

- Well, I can't just pull
something out of thin air.

It has to be based in evidence.

[dramatic music]

♪

- She admitted that she lied

and she still gets
to keep our money?

- I do like it any more
than you do,

but you know that your mother

did not always
do everything by the book.

It's just one of those things.

- Yeah, she trusted people!

- So did I
even when I shouldn't have.

- Hey, you made a good effort.

- I guess.

I still didn't get
a voice in anything.

- I told you it'd all work out.
- I never doubted you.

- Are they literally skipping?
- So what now?

- Now that nobody's
gonna take our money,

what do you say?
A new car?

One of those SUVs with the TVs
on the seat, like an airplane?

Oh, and we need new carpet.

- What money?

- We already got a buyer
for Derby.

I say we get our next flip.

- You really want to hang
around here?

- Oh, things will go back
to normal.

- There she is.

- I think
that's the "Dateline" crew.

Say hi to Cathy!

- Mariah?
- What's up?

- Mariah.
Hey, you got a letter.

- For me, here?

- Yeah, I don't know,
but there it is.

Listen, I'm gonna need you
to do another tub of roll-ups

before dinner, please.

Hello? Mariah?
Okay?

- What, are you
getting mail here now?

- It's from Russ.

[solemn music]

♪

- What?

Well, even for Russ,
that's pretty harsh.

- But I don't get it.

We're halfway through escrow.

And these people just back out?

- They just got cold feet.
It happens.

- But, like,
they loved the house.

Mark got rid of that family
of racoons.

We built a whole new deck.

It's beautiful. They love it.

So I don't get why
they'd just back out.

- I don't--I don't know.
It--

It really could be
one of a million reasons.

- Mm-hmm.
Don't lie to me, Sally.

[tense music]

♪

- It was because of you, okay?

They canceled once they heard
who the seller was.

- Mm.

[laughing]

Mm-hmm.

Fix it.

- Request for destruction
of evidence?

- Tina. Hey.

Hey, Tina.

- Mrs. Hupp, as I told you
on the phone several times,

Ms. Askey is unavailable,
and she just left for the day.

- She just left?

[dramatic music]

♪

Leah!

Leah!

Leah!

Hey.

- How's it going, Pam?
- Not good.

Keith Morrison and Cathy
stirring stuff up.

Everyone thinks I'm some killer
who steals money from orphans.

And, like, who cares
because it's all lies?

But now it's screwing stuff up
for my business.

- Orphans?

You mean Lily and Mariah Day?

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- Those girls.

Ugh. They did this to me,
you know.

If they hadn't sued,
then nobody would be pissed

that I'm taking
what's already mine.

- Well, winning the civil suit
didn't exactly help your image.

- Well, as the judge said,

that money went to the person
Betsy intended.

And somehow I've got
the bad reputation here?

I mean, how does that happen?

- Because it's hard
to look like a victim

when you keep winning,
you understand?

- Oh, right, I see.

That's what's going on here.
I'm winning.

- I'm sure it'll flitter away.
You know how small towns are.

- I don't want it
to flitter, okay?

I want you--
I want you to make it go away.

- What am I supposed to do?

If you have a problem,

you should file a complaint
with the police.

- File what?

A restraining order
against the whole town?

- I don't know
what to tell you, Pam.

I've got problems, too,
you know.

My reelection.
And this isn't great for me.

So maybe--

- Right, your job.

So important.

- Yeah.

- I get it. I get it.

It's the most important thing
in the world, huh?

- See? You get it.

[sinister music]

♪

.

- She just can't help.

For all I've done for her,

Leah Askey
could give a squirt of a piss.

If she just put me
on the stand,

we'd have won that retrial,

and Russ's ass
would still be locked up.

Now the whole world
is gonna bug me.

Because Keith and Cathy
are making

another "Dateline" about it.

Smearing me all over again.

You know she wouldn't
have a job if weren't for me.

I'm the best thing that's
ever happened to "Dateline."

- Well, Mom, we should
just move already.

I mean, like,
with all the stuff going on,

it's not worth it.
- You've been talking to him?

- No.

- Or not.
Or, no, or whatever. I--

- Hi. I'm Mariah.
I'll be your serv--

- My goodness, Mary-Ann.

How nice to see you.

I didn't know you worked here.

- Mariah.

- Travis and I will have the...

Burger en frites.

- Great.
- For you?

- Oh, he's not hungry.

Not feeling himself tonight.

In fact, can we get
those burgers to go?

Yeah, maybe Leah's right.

And I should just
cut off the people

who don't support me.

Long list.

- I cannot believe
she just showed up here.

I mean, the bitch steals
everything from us

and, what, still not enough?

But I didn't spit in it.

- No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no. No. No.

- Pam.
- Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Fast. Good service.

I like it. Keep the change.

- Hey. Hey. Are you okay?

Mariah?

It's okay.

You're fine.

[dramatic music]

♪

What's going on?

Are you okay?

- Pam wrote Russ' letter.

- Wait, wait.
Where are you going?

♪

- Hey, Pam!

- Oh, we forget something?

- For the first time
since my mom was killed,

I'm done being mad.

I'm done giving you control.

There's nothing left
for you to take.

I'm done.

I win.

- Feel better?

- Yeah.

- Well, nice to see ya.
We'll be back.

narrator: If so many people
bug her and bug her

and bug her,

how can Pam possibly keep up?

[sinister music]

♪

One thing about Pam,

she always manages to find
time for other people.

- Leah!

Hey.

My daughter's baby shoes.
Her first little pair.

- Her first pair?
You don't want to save those?

- No. I still have my son's.

- Well, thanks, Pam.
I'm sure you have a busy day.

You always do.

Hi.

- Pam Hupp. Vote for Askey.

Pam Hupp.
Vote Askey.

Hmm.
- Hmm.

- Well, luck with the campaign.

You know you've got my vote.

See you around.

Soon, I hope.

- Yeah.

- You live over
on Kenton Street, right?

Gorgeous place.

[sinister music]

♪

.

[upbeat dance music playing]

- ♪ Shake your body,
let's go ♪

- Class is full today.

- Yeah, right. Let's Zumba!

- Class is full.

- Oh.

It's full.

Hmm.
Come on, Minnie, let's go.

- I know it was you
with the dead squirrel.

- What? What dead squirrel?

- We all talked about it.

No one could've done it
but you.

- Okay, Pam,
I think it's time you left.

- Oh, you do?

[laughing]

Okay.

Minnie, we should go.

You're sick, in no condition
for working out.

Come on.

- No, I'm good.

[tense music]

♪

- Boo!

[all gasping]

[chuckling]

[dramatic music]

♪

- Pamela Hupp
took Betsy's life away.

But killers can't get away
with it on their own.

They need help.

Help from a prosecutor
protects them.

- It's time for
the District Attorney's office

to stand for justice again.
- Stop Leah Askey.

Vote for a true champion
of justice.

Vote Mike Wood for Lincoln
County District Attorney.

[line ringing]

- Hey, Pam.
- Hey.

See that funny new commercial,
political thing?

Something about
how I killed Betsy

and you let me go free?

- Yeah, I saw it,
it's Mike Wood.

His whole campaign is about us.

- Mm-hmm.

Seems I'm not the only one
with the bad reputation.

Think it'll just flitter away?

- No, I don't think
it'll flitter away.

If Mike Wood takes over my job,
he will reopen the Betsy case,

and he's gonna go
after you as his main suspect.

[tense music]

- Why would I care?
I didn't do anything.

- Pam, Mike Wood winning
means we both lose.

- No. You lose. I'll be fine.

[sinister music]

♪

- California, it's so far.

- Well, far
is kind of the point.

I need a fresh start.

Somewhere
where I can just be me.

- You can't do that here?

- Here is where Mom
got murdered.

Russ won't even speak to me.

And Pam wins every time.

I just need a break.

- I get it.

Oh, just don't get hooked
on marijuana out there, okay?

- [laughs] Okay, I won't.

- You need car snacks.

I'll be right back.

- I got you something.

You need a fresh one, right?
For all your new adventures.

- Thanks.

- So you're really going, huh?

- You could come too.

- But, like,
who's just gonna watch Grandma?

- I'll miss you.

- Yeah. I'm gonna miss you too.

- Watch out for Pam, okay?
- [scoffs] Yeah, okay.

- [coughing]

[sinister music]

♪

- Pam, what are you doing here?

- You're sick.
I'm taking care of you.

You know, I was thinking what
a great neighbor you've been.

Gee, I wonder if Minnie
would miss me if I moved.

- Of course--
of course I would miss you.

- [chuckles]
See, you lie too, Minnie.

You think I killed Bushy Tail.

Why would you miss me?

- Oh.

So--so you--

you're gonna move, you think?

- I was thinking about it.

But then I realized
running away from obstacles

is not how you deal with them.

♪

Leah. Cathy.

Mariah. Joel.

They're just all things
in my way.

When there's stuff in your way,

what you got to do...

Is get rid of it.

[sinister music]

- ♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you

♪ Got my eyes on you

♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you

♪

♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you

♪ Got my eyes on you

♪ Ooh, got my eyes on you

♪