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They call it
March Madness for a reason.
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And every tournament is better
with an underdog, right?
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The hottest thing
in Chicago sports right now
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isn't the Cubs, the Sox, the
Bulls, or the Blackhawks.
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Here comes
the player of the year
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of the MVC, he rises, oh!
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It's the Loyola
Ramblers.
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And the dream is
alive!
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But our journey
was more important
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than the buzzer beaters.
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Townes for three,
yes!
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With every round we
advanced,
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we were reminded of our past.
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Away we go,
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Loyola Chicago controls the tip.
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Egan, Egan to Harkness,
turnaround jumper's good.
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Jerry made his first basket,
he made it, he might do it.
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When you study the
early days of basketball,
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Loyola Chicago sticks out.
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The youth of America, they need
to know
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what that generation went
through,
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and they need to carry the
baton.
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Jerry Harkness was the captain
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of that Loyola team and joins us
now.
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What a pleasure it is to meet
you, sir.
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It's a pleasure to be here.
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Custer looking
for help, gets it, Williamson.
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My name is Lucas
Williamson.
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I was a freshman in 2018
when the Loyola Ramblers
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made it to the Final Four,
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for the first time in 55 years.
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We were always told how
the '63 team made history,
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but it was in the forgotten
details
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that I found a deeper
connection.
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My absolute
and unshakeable stance
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for segregation of the
races at all levels.
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Go home, nigger.
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This is not 200 years ago.
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These are our fathers and our
grandfathers
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that have gone through this.
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This was more than a
game, this was history.
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It's time the rest of
the world
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hears their whole story,
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about those who changed the
game,
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by playing it their way.
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The story of any great
team begins with the coach.
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And in this case, a day
he would never forget.
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It is very hard for me to
think back to that day in 1959.
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I was in nursing school at
Loyola.
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And I came out of class the one
day,
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and it was just a regular
kind of autumn day.
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My dad was George Ireland.
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He was the Loyola
University basketball coach.
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There was something
different about Dad that day.
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I don't know if something
happened at practice, at school,
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but I walked over towards Dad's
office
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and I looked up and I thought,
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"Well, what on Earth can that
be?"
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And it was a hanging effigy of
my father.
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I thought, "How could
someone do that to my dad?"
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There were chants,
"Get rid of Ireland."
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"We need a new coach."
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Those students were totally
unhappy.
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They wanted him out.
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His job was in jeopardy
because he was losing.
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We played hard, but we
didn't have a lot of talent.
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He had to start bringing new
players in.
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George Ireland had to
confront all this stuff.
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He knew if he kept going
the way he was going,
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he was done as a coach.
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The one thing about basketball
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is all you need is that
backboard and hoop, and a ball.
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In cities where there's a big
population,
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not much space, well,
it's the perfect game.
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The best players in the
country were from Harlem.
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They were playing a style of
basketball
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that was up-tempo and
fast-paced.
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One of the best ways
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that I've heard it described
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is the old school basketball
was played on the floor
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and modern basketball
was played in the air.
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It felt like the early
style of basketball
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was like some sort of
exercise in calisthenics.
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You know, people stretching
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and there wasn't very
much athleticism to it.
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George Ireland was
losing, teams weren't very good.
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We're playing staid,
feet-in-the-mud-in-concrete
basketball.
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And it's time to change.
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These black players were
changing the game
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and they were making it so
exciting.
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This was a time when
superstars
were heavily recruited.
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Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar
Robertson,
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everybody knew who these guys
were,
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a lot of coaches wanted them.
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But for the next tier of players
down,
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black guys who were merely
excellent basketball players,
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nobody wanted them.
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For the black athlete, the
landscape
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of these kids playing
on university campuses
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or in the NBA just wasn't there.
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George Ireland was thinking
about job security.
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He just wanted to win and
he didn't care who you were.
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My father, Jerry Harkness,
was born in Harlem, New York.
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And he lived in very harsh
conditions in the projects.
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He's ultra competitive,
and I've always wondered
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where did that competitive
drive come from?
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The resilience?
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As a child in the
1940s,
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Jerry remembers his own father
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returning home from the war a
hero.
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But the fanfare faded, and soon
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he was just a young black
man trying to build a life.
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He did everything to try to
get work.
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The more Italian and Irish come
in,
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the less work he would have.
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He could not take that
pressure and he left us.
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My mom was a go-getter,
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and she pretty much had
to be when my dad left.
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And I could see her really
trying to keep it all together.
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The financial
stress was overwhelming.
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At one point, his mother
had a mental breakdown
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and admitted herself
into Bellevue Hospital.
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When she got out, I
looked her in the eyes.
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I knew that we were gonna be all
right.
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She said, "I'm gonna get a
job, we're gonna make it.
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We're not gonna depend on
anybody but the three of us."
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To see her go through
what she went through,
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I said, "If she can do things
like that, I can make it."
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Young Jerry
loved playing basketball
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on the streets of Harlem,
but he never figured
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he was good enough to
make his high school team.
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To him, the game was an escape.
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And when he'd save up a quarter,
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he'd go practice alone at the Y.
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I could still see myself
bouncing back and forth,
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and then going up for the shot,
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saying "Good, we win."
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All of a sudden, a guy
hit me on my shoulder,
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and he said, "Hey, you're pretty
good."
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My eyes got wide, my mouth
jumped open.
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It was my hero,
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Jackie Robinson.
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So when a guy like that
tells me I'm not that bad,
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maybe he's right.
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I said, "I'm going out for the
team."
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My coach, he asked me,
"Are you set for college?"
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I said, "No, I don't have any
offer."
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He said, "We're gonna work on
that."
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George Ireland was coming up to
Harlem
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to watch the ball players.
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My coach told him, "There's a
guy here
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that doesn't have the
recognition
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the other players have because
he only played one year.
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Why don't you give him a
chance?"
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So I was trying to impress this
guy
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like he was the man that had my
future,
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because this was pretty
much my last chance.
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If I don't get this, I'm
finished.
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And that was the
beginning of Jerry Harkness.
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With Jerry joining the
Ramblers,
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Coach Ireland developed a
whole new vision for his team.
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Jerry was a speedster.
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My father was a great track
athlete
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prior to becoming a basketball
player.
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We had to run two
miles every day before practice
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because of Harkness,
because he loved running.
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I remember one coach said,
"Put the ball on the floor.
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Now pick it up. Jerry Harkness
just scored a bucket."
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Jerry was kind of in command.
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You could see the growth
that was happening.
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And that was the
best season he had had
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in about five or six
years, that saved him.
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And then we came along.
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Ireland took me to a St.
Rita's game.
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And I'm looking at the game and
I said,
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"I know why he got me here."
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He didn't tell me who he was
scouting,
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but I was looking at these
brothers,
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the center and the forward.
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They were 6-10, they were tough.
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At the end of the game, he said,
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"What did you think of the
little guard?"
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I was from St. Rita's high
school, born in Chicago.
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I loved basketball
because I was good at it.
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I said to myself, "This
guy's not a ball player."
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I was wrong about that.
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Don't let Jack
Egan's size fool you.
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He's incredibly athletic.
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Jack Egan is no nonsense.
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He knows what he wants
and he is going to get it.
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And it's important
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that you are not gonna be
intimidated.
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I needed some physical
contact with the other team
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even though it was basketball.
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I think I was fouled more
often than anybody else.
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Les Hunter and Vic Rouse
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both came from Nashville,
Tennessee.
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I've heard Vic and Les be
referred to as a package deal.
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Mr. Ireland did not recruit
Les Hunter,
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he recruited Vic Rouse.
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Vic Rouse said to him,
"If I come to your school,
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can Les come with us?"
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He said, "Of course."
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He didn't realize he had a
diamond.
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Les Hunter may have
been
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the most talented player on the
team.
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Vic and Les were the
bigs.
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They brought that
menacing athletic height.
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Ronnie Miller came from New
York,
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a very similar area that
my father came from.
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When coach met my mother the
first time,
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he completely ignored me.
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He promised that any kid
that went to his school
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for four years would graduate.
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George Ireland gave his
sales pitch to the parents,
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not to the kid.
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The kid's looking to
play big time basketball,
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he probably wasn't gonna
go to Loyola University.
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I was probably
the best defensive player
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on the team, so I could guard
someone
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that was bigger than me.
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You had a group of
extremely talented freshmen.
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I had never played
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with such talented
players before in my life.
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I knew we had something
special.
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We lost one game as freshmen.
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And the word kinda spread
throughout college basketball
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that Loyola had this
excellent freshmen class.
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Well, we move up to the varsity,
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the reality of big-time
basketball
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kinda hit me in the
face for the first time.
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There was an unwritten
rule
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that racialized who played.
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How many black players can be
played
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on the court at one time?
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One at home, two when you're
away,
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and three when you're in a
pinch,
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you need that little extra
oomph.
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And it's not written anywhere.
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It's just kind of what the
coaches knew.
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The coaches, if they
didn't
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wanna put black players on the
floor,
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they wouldn't have recruited
them to begin with.
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But American higher education
was overwhelmingly segregated.
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Your student body is 98% white,
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the faculty is 99% white,
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the alumni are 99 1/2% white.
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How many black guys can
you put on the floor
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to represent this lily white
institution
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before you're gonna run into
blowback?
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How far could they go?
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I value my job, I value my
reputation,
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so I'm not going to push the
system.
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I wonder how many coaches
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were just simply complying
with the status quo.
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Coach Ireland was
careful.
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He'd bend the rule, but never
break it.
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He consistently played three
black starters at a time,
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but fearing the reaction of
fans and university donors,
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he never played a fourth.
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How George Ireland
played us was when Jerry
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or Les Hunter would be in foul
trouble,
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or needed a break, I would
go in for one of them.
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So I played, but I was
not allowed to start.
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And he'd follow that the whole
year.
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These athletes were
marginalized
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and they didn't have the same
privileges
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as their white teammates did.
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And it was openly practiced.
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It was openly practiced,
and we didn't have any laws
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to protect individuals
from this kind of behavior.
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In the North, Jim Crow
segregation was practiced,
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it was an unspoken rule, but not
the law.
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But Jim Crow was the law in the
South.
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My absolute and unshakeable
stance
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for segregation of the
races at all levels.
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Ross Barnett was
the governor of Mississippi
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at the time, rabid
segregationist.
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You gotta understand,
Mississippi
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was incredibly racially
volatile.
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If you even suggested something
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that included integration,
it could be life-threatening.
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It was that bad.
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In his fight
to preserve segregation
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in the early 1960s, Governor
Barnett
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made a special target out of
state sports,
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denouncing any competition
between white and black
athletes.
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One team falling under his rule
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were the Mississippi State
Bulldogs,
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led by Coach Babe McCarthy.
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For three of the previous four
seasons,
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Mississippi State won
the SEC Championship,
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earning a spot in the NCAA
tournament.
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And each time, Coach
McCarthy did as he was told
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by the Governor and turned it
down.
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We grew up doing what
we were told to do.
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To not be able to go to the
tournament,
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the attitude of some of the
guys was, why do we even play?
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We only wanted to go for one
reason,
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and that was to compete and
be the best we could be.
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When you think about
Mississippi,
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you have to remember that
the world was different.
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The country was different.
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And we had to deal with
things differently.
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Racism in sports was not a new
thing,
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it was a part of the life that
we lived.
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In 2001, I was a grad student
at Loyola
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as a oral historian, and I
started talking to the players,
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and I started hearing
about their experiences.
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And I tied that into the context
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of what was happening in
Chicago,
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because Chicago was then and is
now,
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quite a segregated city.
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What was it like for these guys?
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One of the most surprising
things that I have found out,
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is things that were going on
in the minds of my teammates
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that I did not know was
going on in their mind then.
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In particular, someone
who I'm very close to,
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Jerry Harkness.
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When I first met him,
he was very standoffish.
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For more than a year,
we had no relationship
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other than on the basketball
court.
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If he was in the locker room,
I wouldn't acknowledge him.
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Jack Egan actually played
my mother's high school
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in basketball, which was a black
team.
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And the kids from St. Rita
treated my mom's school
terribly.
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She told me
that St. Rita's was racist
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and they would throw garbage
cans at you.
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I just drew a conclusion on him
early on.
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I grew up in a
neighborhood that was all white.
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It was mostly Irish, Polish and
Italian.
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Marquette Park was
known as the neighborhood
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that most vehemently resisted
the housing initiatives
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that Martin Luther King
came to Chicago to promote.
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It was a place where
blacks were not welcome.
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You could be chased down and
even beaten.
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I've been
in many demonstrations
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all across the South, but I can
say
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that I have never seen,
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even in Mississippi and Alabama,
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mobs as hostile and as
hate-filled
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as I'm seeing in Chicago.
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When I would go home
from Loyola University
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to go back to my neighborhood
on the Southside,
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a lot of my friends had
the same kind of notion
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that the black players
on the team needed me
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because I was the brains of the
outfit.
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You know who is? Les Hunter.
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There's always been
stereotypes about black athletes
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that they are all athlete,
very little smarts.
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African American players were
described
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as tremendous athletes, you
know, a physical specimen.
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Whereas a lot of the white
players
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were described as crafty, smart.
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You didn't have to be that aware
to know
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what they were trying to say.
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00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,230
Of all the players
at the center of this story,
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I never had the chance to
meet Les Hunter or Vic Rouse.
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Vic died in 1999 and Les passed
away
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during the making of this film.
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In many ways, Les and Vic
embodied Loyola at their best.
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Les was the team's top player
and Vic was their top student.
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And when Les missed a shot,
Vic was there to tip it in.
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For me, team chemistry is
everything,
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00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:00,780
but you have to earn that trust.
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00:20:00,820 --> 00:20:04,350
That was true for Jack and
Jerry, but in Les and Vic,
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00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:06,660
the Ramblers always had
an example to follow.
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The program had been
under fire.
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I saw an opportunity to be
a part of the resurgence.
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You have Loyola that no one
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had ever paid attention to
before.
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If we're going to compete
nationally,
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what we have to do is get past
race.
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We weren't ranked, we weren't
a team
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that people were looking at.
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We were an independent school,
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00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,000
so we weren't the preseason
pick for anything.
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In the 1961, '62
season,
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Ireland no longer had to
rely on Jerry's speed alone.
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Now, his whole team could run.
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00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,790
Almost immediately
we developed this style
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00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,280
of a rebound, a pass and a
basket.
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00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,020
Get down and score before the
defense
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00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:09,280
had a chance to set up.
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00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:10,330
That's all it was.
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00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:13,550
And that's run-and-gun
basketball.
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00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:15,900
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00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:20,160
Ireland believed in playing
his starters a long time.
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00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:23,600
In the '61, '62
season, the team consisted
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00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:26,780
of Egan, and a guy named
Mike Gavin, Jerry Harkness,
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Les Hunter and Vic Rouse.
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00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:31,650
Ireland's coaching style with
that team
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00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:35,220
was just standing aside
and letting them run.
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His genius as a coach was to
just let them play their game.
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00:21:39,490 --> 00:21:42,100
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00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:46,360
In the pros they
call it a motion offense,
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00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:48,240
where someone is always moving.
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If you didn't stay with us,
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we would score an easy basket.
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The Ramblers had some games in
the South
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and they ran into some of the
hard truths
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of US race relations.
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The famous trip to New
Orleans
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where George Ireland, at the
last minute,
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told us that we would not be
able
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to stay together as a team.
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00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:31,710
The black ball
players stayed in Algiers
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in private homes, while the
white players
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stayed in New Orleans in hotels.
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00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:41,850
And he said he didn't know
about it
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00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,200
until the last minute.
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And I never believed that.
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00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,690
434
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,040
We land in New Orleans and the
black guys,
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all of us jump into a cab.
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And Ireland gets in the cab with
us.
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And it was a black driver, and
he said,
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00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,960
"Sir, you're gonna have
to get out of my cab.
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00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:06,530
It's against the law for a white
person
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00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:09,100
to drive in a cab with black
people."
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00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:11,280
And Ireland said, "Well, I'll
pay the fine
442
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,150
if you get stopped."
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Driver said, "You don't
understand.
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It's not the fine, I will go to
jail."
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That's how bad it was in 1962.
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00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:26,380
When we played
Loyola of New Orleans,
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the shock hit us.
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00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,080
They had a roped-off section for
coloreds.
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00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:33,950
You couldn't talk
back, you couldn't fight back,
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00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:36,470
there was nothing you could do
about it.
451
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,260
But you could express
that anger
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00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:44,220
by taking it out on the other
squad.
453
00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:46,830
454
00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:57,540
The court was an equalizer.
455
00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:01,150
After the game, the black
players went off to Algiers.
456
00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:04,590
And I can honestly say, that was
by far
457
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:07,240
the best trip that we had.
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We had no curfew, parties at
night,
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00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:12,380
and the people in the
community were so proud of us,
460
00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:13,990
they treated us like kings.
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00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:18,080
They sent us two
brand new Pontiacs to drive.
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00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:22,520
We had a great time, and we felt
so sorry
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00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,130
for the white guys.
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00:24:24,170 --> 00:24:25,390
But in contrast,
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00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,050
what it took us to get to that
point.
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00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:31,790
I felt offended by some of
the things that occurred.
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00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:37,100
After the game,
Ireland made headlines
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00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:39,450
denouncing New Orleans'
segregation laws,
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00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:41,710
vowing that the team would never
return.
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00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:45,760
But just a day later, the truth
came out.
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Prior to Loyola's trip,
another school in New Orleans,
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Xavier University, offered
to house the entire team.
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00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:56,080
This rare break from the Jim
Crow laws governing the city
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would have allowed all the
white and black players
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to stay together as usual.
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00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:03,470
But for reasons that
were never made clear,
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00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Ireland declined, and chose
instead
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00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:07,570
to keep the team segregated.
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00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:11,440
When I heard this story from the
players,
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I couldn't believe it.
481
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,790
It's crazy to me that
any coach would choose
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00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:18,750
to separate their team
anywhere for any reason.
483
00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:23,060
It's not just unsafe, it's bad
strategy.
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Your team is your family.
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00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:30,200
We had to deal not only with
the racism
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00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,550
of the South when we
would travel down there,
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00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:35,070
we also had to deal with it
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to some degree right
here at our home court.
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490
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:45,560
When you think
about the Loyola story,
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00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,570
you inevitably come to
a very complex topic.
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00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,440
We all kinda knew our place.
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00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,360
It doesn't sound right when you
say that,
494
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,660
it sounds terrible when you say
that.
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00:26:00,710 --> 00:26:04,060
I just mean that as people, we
kinda knew
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00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,150
what we had to do to survive.
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00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:12,150
They wanted us to be
available as tokens.
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00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,420
For example, if they
had a party on campus,
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00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:19,030
they wanted us to stand on the
walls,
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00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:20,770
you know, and be there.
501
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:23,210
But we weren't supposed
to dance with the girls,
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00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,510
we weren't supposed to
talk with the girls.
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00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,260
And if they come to us
and ask us to dance,
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00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,520
we even had Jesuit priests who
said,
505
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,350
"No, you don't do that."
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00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:35,740
507
00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:39,090
The priests had a job
and part of their job
508
00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:42,660
was making sure the students
were safe.
509
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,450
And unfortunately the black male
body
510
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:50,540
has often been considered,
just by existing, unsafe.
511
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:54,930
I guess I expected to
hear
512
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,890
the '63 guys faced
discrimination
when traveling south,
513
00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:00,330
or maybe even on the court by
opponents,
514
00:27:00,370 --> 00:27:02,810
but to know that they were
also disrespected at home
515
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,600
makes me furious.
516
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,510
And on a call between our two
teams,
517
00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:08,690
we got an opportunity to talk
about it.
518
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:12,170
Then I remember, and the
other guys will remember this,
519
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:15,690
we could not go to the barber
shop
520
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:18,390
right across Sheridan Road.
521
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,440
They would not cut black guys'
hair.
522
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,310
You couldn't get a haircut on
campus?
523
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:26,400
Like, you had to go somewhere
else to get a haircut?
524
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,970
I guess again, I was blind
to what they were experiencing.
525
00:27:30,010 --> 00:27:32,360
Just assumed everything was
great.
526
00:27:32,410 --> 00:27:37,110
In the '60s, we didn't
express ourselves.
527
00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:40,110
'Cause I really don't think
we knew how to talk about it.
528
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:42,850
You know, the average person
might look at it and say,
529
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:45,200
"That's not, that's not racism."
530
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:47,070
But it is.
531
00:27:48,550 --> 00:27:50,860
They're going to have to
swallow their discontent.
532
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:52,690
They're going to have
to swallow their hurts.
533
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:55,340
Because the moment they
start making waves,
534
00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:57,470
the moment they start asking for
things
535
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,090
that they know they should
have, they're no longer
536
00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:03,960
just these wonderfully
respectable young men
537
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,050
that we would be so
happy to have amongst us.
538
00:28:07,090 --> 00:28:10,010
There was a mold that they
needed to fit.
539
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:12,750
Not the angry team, not the
frustrated,
540
00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:16,930
they were classy, and oh
look, how acceptable they are.
541
00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:22,410
That might be why they're not
loud and they're not vocal.
542
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,980
It makes you feel completely
isolated.
543
00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:32,680
It is a very hard thing to face.
544
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:35,690
What you say is nothing,
what you think is nothing.
545
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:40,650
That's what it feels like
to be discriminated against.
546
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:43,740
You're invisible, you don't
exist.
547
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:47,000
You don't exist.
548
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:53,230
Toward the end of the season,
549
00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:54,790
Ron Miller began playing
550
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,010
a more prominent role on the
team.
551
00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:59,540
He was scoring a lot, and at one
point,
552
00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:01,840
Ireland pulled him aside to tell
him
553
00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:03,410
why he wasn't starting.
554
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,460
And he didn't really tell him,
he said,
555
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,280
"But you know, you understand
what it is."
556
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:09,940
And Miller did understand.
557
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:14,460
Ireland didn't wanna have the
fourth black guy on the court.
558
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:17,030
It was so obvious to
everyone around the team
559
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,600
and everyone at Loyola,
560
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,560
that we should have had
four blacks starting.
561
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000
You keep in mind, I'm coming off
the bench
562
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,910
and I was averaging double
figures.
563
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,830
So that tells you that maybe,
I should have been starting.
564
00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:33,960
The one white
boy that he was starting
565
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:38,620
over Ron Miller had no business
starting.
566
00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:41,800
And he knew it and every boy
knew it.
567
00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:46,190
In 1962, Loyola went
21 and 3,
568
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,670
earning a bid to the National
Invitation Tournament
569
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,670
at Madison Square Garden in New
York.
570
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:54,070
With two Harlem natives on his
team,
571
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:55,510
Ireland saw an opportunity
572
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:58,730
to lure the next generation
of local recruits.
573
00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:01,820
We had advanced to the
semis playing Dayton.
574
00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:04,860
And what really surprised me
575
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:08,650
was that Coach Ireland changed
the lineup.
576
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,520
He wanted to start me
577
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,870
because he was recruiting
heavy out of New York City.
578
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,350
Local papers made a big deal
579
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
that I was coming back
to Madison Square Garden.
580
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,530
Two New York kids, me and Jerry
Harkness.
581
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:24,450
So he has to play Miller
582
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:28,150
and he has to play me
because we're in New York.
583
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:33,280
So he takes out 6-8, 6-9 Hunter.
584
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:35,720
He brought
Miller in for Les Hunter.
585
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,900
Best ball player on the team.
586
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:40,030
Dayton was a hell of a
team.
587
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:42,250
And we were getting beat up
pretty bad.
588
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,340
Take out Les Hunter and
we're smaller, much smaller.
589
00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:50,170
It just put us in a bad
situation.
590
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:53,780
Ron Miller was
the Ramblers' high scorer
591
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:56,960
in the game, but without
Hunter in the lineup,
592
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,310
Loyola was just outmatched.
593
00:30:59,350 --> 00:31:01,750
So we lost to them.
594
00:31:01,790 --> 00:31:04,230
We had to play another game
after that,
595
00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:06,100
which was a consolation game.
596
00:31:06,140 --> 00:31:07,930
And we played Duquesne
University,
597
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:11,620
which was a very good
basketball school in those days.
598
00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:12,890
And you have to
remember
599
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:15,930
that Mr. Ireland was in
difficulty.
600
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:19,590
He could not afford to lose.
601
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,900
Ireland was not trying
to be an activist.
602
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:26,940
George Ireland was thinking
about winning ball games.
603
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:30,430
And that was the game
where Ireland chose
604
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:33,340
not to play the senior, Mike
Gavin,
605
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:37,040
and inserted Ron Miller
as the other guard.
606
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,350
He put the
best team on the court.
607
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,750
He broke the code.
608
00:31:45,790 --> 00:31:48,010
609
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:52,840
When we won the consolation
game, from there on,
610
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,710
he played four black guys.
611
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,540
On that historic
night, the Iron Five were born.
612
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,890
For the Loyola Ramblers,
613
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:05,160
there would be no turning back.
614
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,200
Let me ask you
this,
615
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,640
do you ever get crank phone
calls?
616
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,640
Well, they
criticize
who he's got on his team.
617
00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:16,600
As you know he has a Negro ball
club.
618
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:19,780
And we get letters on that.
619
00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:20,960
Well, that's
terrible.
620
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,350
The rest of the world could take
a cue
621
00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:25,740
from on integration is how
well these kids get along
622
00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:27,000
together on the basketball
court.
623
00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:28,270
That's right.
624
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:31,140
With his new starting
five set
625
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:34,840
for the 1962, '63 season,
there was plenty of fallout
626
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,880
for George Ireland and his
family.
627
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:38,930
But with his eyes on a national
title,
628
00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:41,020
the coach had come too far to
turn back.
629
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,330
Meanwhile, there was
another team down south
630
00:32:45,370 --> 00:32:46,810
with their eyes on the title.
631
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,250
I was always fascinated
about the psychology
632
00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:53,860
of the Mississippi State
basketball team.
633
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:55,470
You're feeling a lot of pressure
634
00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:58,470
if your programs aren't
performing well, if you're
losing.
635
00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:01,130
The irony is that Mississippi
State was winning.
636
00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:04,560
And the more they won, the
more pressure they faced.
637
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:07,000
Our governor in
particular just didn't think
638
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,530
we ought to be playing
against black players.
639
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:12,140
We never imagined that we would
get to go
640
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,100
to the NCAA tournament in '63.
641
00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:17,010
Young people are often a
product
642
00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:20,800
of a dysfunctional
situation, taught things
643
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,670
that they shouldn't be taught.
644
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:25,890
And it's not until they
actually experience
645
00:33:25,930 --> 00:33:28,460
a different set of circumstances
646
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,330
that they can appreciate what
should be.
647
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:34,940
In Mississippi, if
you opposed Governor Barnett
648
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:36,990
and the racism of Jim Crow laws,
649
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:39,990
you were all but guaranteed
a prison sentence.
650
00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:41,300
Or maybe even worse,
651
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:43,300
with the state's long
history of lynchings.
652
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:48,090
But despite those very real
threats,
653
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:51,090
just 100 miles from the
Mississippi State campus,
654
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:54,660
there was someone still
brave enough to fight back.
655
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,310
The enrollment
of James Meredith,
656
00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:58,270
the first African American to
attend
657
00:33:58,310 --> 00:34:00,970
on the campus of Ole Miss.
658
00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:04,320
That night a riot broke
out, hundreds were injured.
659
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,540
Two people died
660
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:08,190
as protesters tried to stop a
black man
661
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,370
from attending a
tax-supported state school.
662
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,940
James Meredith, who
was a Mississippi native
663
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:17,550
and a veteran, applied to enter
664
00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:19,990
the University of Mississippi,
Ole Miss.
665
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:21,510
Ross Barnett said
666
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:25,560
that Meredith would enter
Ole Miss over his dead body.
667
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,520
His admission caused a
riot of such magnitude,
668
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,520
the president called out
National Guard troops
669
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,260
to come put the riot down.
670
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:37,130
Immediately
following the mass panic,
671
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:39,440
the college infirmary was
besieged
672
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,100
with injured persons,
officers and students.
673
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,580
People died.
674
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:46,710
It's hard to believe that ever
happened,
675
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,020
but it damn sure did.
676
00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:52,630
As the dust
settled after the riots,
677
00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:55,850
James Meredith successfully
enrolled at Ole Miss.
678
00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:57,680
Another small piece of progress
679
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,460
in the Civil Rights Movement.
680
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,640
And while figures like
Babe McCarthy were left
681
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,210
to grapple with what
it meant on his campus,
682
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:07,430
back in Chicago, they were
listening too.
683
00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:09,080
Things were starting to
change,
684
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,950
but not rapidly enough.
685
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:17,260
We would sit up in my
room around this radio,
686
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:20,790
listening and cheering for
people
687
00:35:20,830 --> 00:35:24,140
who were doing things
to make a difference.
688
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,360
We were in the middle
689
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,320
of the Civil Rights Movement and
Dr. King.
690
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,930
The emphasis was put on them,
691
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:34,840
but we in the background
were making changes too.
692
00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:36,240
693
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,670
We really started the season
with,
694
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,550
not just a good team, but a
great team.
695
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:44,770
We had seven guys who
legitimately could start.
696
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,160
They were the highest scoring
team
697
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,380
in the country that year.
698
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:49,210
They knew exactly what the next
step
699
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:51,430
of the other was going to be.
700
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:54,260
There was something
electric that happened to us.
701
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,610
We just knew that we were
going to be very good.
702
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:00,520
They were bulldozing
teams.
703
00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:02,220
No one could stop them.
704
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:05,530
In retaliation to
all of this resistance,
705
00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:07,140
they ran up the scores.
706
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:11,360
Send a message, "We're good
and we're good at what we do."
707
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,840
Is this the best team
you've had
708
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,230
in your 12 years as Loyola
coach?
709
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,930
Well, Mike, I
think this is my best team.
710
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:19,190
Well, there's
no question about it,
711
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,020
you certainly do have an
excellent team.
712
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,810
In fact, you must be ranked
second in the nation.
713
00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:25,370
George Ireland, how do you think
714
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:28,250
that your Loyola club would
make out against Cincinnati?
715
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:29,990
Well, that's a hard
question.
716
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:33,340
We are an offensive team and
Cincinnati
717
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:34,900
are a defensive team.
718
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:36,650
I would like to play Cincinnati
719
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:38,910
and possibly sometime we will.
720
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:41,650
For such a long period of time
we knew
721
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:44,390
that, somewhere along
the way, we were going
722
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,960
to go up against Cincinnati.
723
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,880
They were the big dogs,
we were the underdogs.
724
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,920
Cincinnati had become a
machine, a real machine,
725
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:57,060
under the leadership of Ed
Jucker.
726
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,020
727
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:02,580
Cincinnati was the
complete opposite of Loyola.
728
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:05,330
Cincinnati had won two
championships
729
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:08,810
with a very deliberate,
slow-down pace.
730
00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:10,330
When you talk about a team
731
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:12,940
that wanted to make four
passes before they took a shot,
732
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:16,080
Cincinnati probably
wanted to make six passes.
733
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,470
Something that was not in our
DNA at all.
734
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:20,990
While Loyola
was the fastest team
735
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,300
in college basketball, no one
matched
736
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:26,260
the slow, tactical pace of
Cincinnati.
737
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:30,660
At a time when more and
more teams experimented
738
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,700
with running the ball,
Ed Jucker found success
739
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:35,360
by doing just the opposite.
740
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,450
Don't shoot
unless you have a good shot.
741
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:39,360
Hold the ball if you
need to once in a while,
742
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,580
that was before the days of shot
clock.
743
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:43,100
Everyone thought he
was crazy
744
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:46,580
until he won his first NCAA
Championship.
745
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:49,980
They thought he was lucky
until he won his second.
746
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,200
747
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,860
When they got ahead of you by
10 points,
748
00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:59,990
you were probably toast.
749
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:02,300
Combined with
the talents of Tom Thacker,
750
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:04,690
Ron Bonham and George Wilson,
751
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:07,340
Cincinnati was set to
be the first-ever team
752
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:09,480
to win three consecutive titles.
753
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,830
We had the best record.
754
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:12,220
I don't know what Loyola was,
755
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:14,700
but they didn't win as
many games as we did.
756
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:17,050
I mean, Cincinnati
was the monster.
757
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:18,570
Why would you think that this
small,
758
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:20,790
Catholic school could beat
Cincinnati?
759
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:27,060
Out of everything
I learned about this story,
760
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,150
I was most surprised by
Cincinnati.
761
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,370
Because for all the
praise given to Ireland
762
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:34,370
for breaking that unwritten
rule,
763
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:37,070
I didn't know that Ed
Jucker broke it first,
764
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:39,810
months before Ireland, winning
a national championship
765
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:42,600
with four black starters in
1962.
766
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,250
767
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:50,130
You might say it was easier for
Cincinnati
768
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:52,650
since they were already
defending national champs.
769
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:56,740
But I think it's more likely
that four black starters
770
00:38:56,790 --> 00:39:00,090
with a slow, controlled
game were less threatening
771
00:39:00,140 --> 00:39:02,660
than Loyola's aggressive,
fast-break players.
772
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:06,580
Whatever the explanation is,
773
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:08,710
these two trailblazing teams
seemed to be
774
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:11,670
on a clear path to the
championship.
775
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,150
But the season was far from
over,
776
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:17,680
and Loyola's future
was suddenly uncertain.
777
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,900
Midway through the
season,
778
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:25,990
Loyola lost three players.
779
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,080
One of them left for financial
reasons.
780
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,990
The other two were New
York playground guys.
781
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,000
They didn't make grades,
and would have gotten
782
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,740
a lot of playing time had
they stayed on the team.
783
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,180
Everyone was understandably
shocked
784
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:43,790
when all that happened at once.
785
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,230
We had nine players, that was
it.
786
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:51,100
It was so awkward just to have
scrimmages
787
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:53,230
and you have nine people.
788
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,450
Their absence
is one of the reasons
789
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,460
that the five starters were
playing virtually every minute.
790
00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:03,420
The Iron Five were
used to playing nonstop.
791
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:06,380
But now, even when Loyola took
big leads,
792
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:09,210
Ireland refused to give
any of them a break.
793
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:10,860
Some of the games
were complete blowouts.
794
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:12,640
We would still be playing, I
mean,
795
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:16,170
we'd be up by 15, 20 points,
796
00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:18,480
and he would still have
all of us in the game.
797
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,650
We had a 30-point lead at
halftime.
798
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,440
Man, I'm gonna be playing.
799
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,180
Never got in.
800
00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:28,880
801
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,710
That starting five,
I think he was nervous
802
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,970
when any one of them was off of
the floor.
803
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:39,580
And it wasn't that we were
incapable of contributing.
804
00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:42,800
People don't realize how good we
were
805
00:40:42,850 --> 00:40:44,850
because they never saw us.
806
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:49,850
We'd be up 35, 40 points, let's
give the first team a break.
807
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:54,420
I was feeling badly because
we had guys on the bench
808
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:56,210
that weren't getting in.
809
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:58,910
I said, "Coach, take me out, I'm
tired."
810
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:59,910
He said, "Stay in."
811
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,170
Trust me, I can tell
you,
812
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:07,920
being on the court 40
minutes straight is no joke.
813
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,440
To play that fast-paced style
every game without a sub?
814
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,440
That can break you.
815
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:20,670
And that season, as the
exhaustion built on the court,
816
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:22,450
the pressure got to everyone.
817
00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:25,760
We were in New York playing
St. John's,
818
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,410
Jerry Lyne came out and says,
"George is on the table.
819
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:30,110
He's coughing up blood."
820
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,850
You know, he had a bleeding
ulcer.
821
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:33,990
You know, there were times
822
00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:37,420
when guys out there on
that floor were hurting.
823
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:39,030
They had been injured.
824
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,860
Vic Rouse had had a shoulder
separation,
825
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:43,820
and they would have to put it
back in
826
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:44,950
and tape it up.
827
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,000
When you run a team for 30
games,
828
00:41:50,050 --> 00:41:51,830
you know, iron wears out.
829
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:57,660
We tried to figure out why
certain things happened.
830
00:41:57,710 --> 00:42:00,060
Why certain things didn't
happen.
831
00:42:01,010 --> 00:42:03,360
But, we loved each other.
832
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:06,890
Five guys were going to play,
833
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:09,500
and the other four
834
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:11,890
were going to be supportive of
them.
835
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,940
Worn down, Loyola
suffered
836
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:19,030
their only two defeats of the
season late in the schedule.
837
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,170
The struggle for the
Iron Five was increasing.
838
00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:26,430
But the worst was yet to come.
839
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:31,570
840
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:40,440
The game was in
Houston, Texas.
841
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:42,920
To me, we were just going
down to play another team.
842
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:46,540
That's how naive and
ignorant I was back then.
843
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:50,630
It was a pretty small, confined
gym.
844
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:52,240
It didn't take long to realize
845
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,760
that it was gonna be more
than a basketball game.
846
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,420
Things started to
unravel.
847
00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:02,900
I believe everybody
in the stadium was against us.
848
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:05,290
The fans were out of control.
849
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:08,860
Go back home, get out
of here.
850
00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:10,470
We're gonna get you.
851
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,780
They used the N-word
constantly.
852
00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:15,650
Threw ice, threw things
at us on the court.
853
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:18,740
The students throwing
stuff,
854
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:21,140
I mean, they look like me.
855
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:25,970
Never having experienced
that side of racism,
856
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:27,970
literally, they're spitting on
us.
857
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:30,750
This is what you guys go
through on a daily basis?
858
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:35,850
I looked to the side,
I didn't see police.
859
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:37,200
And I started to worry.
860
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:41,420
There were times during
that game
861
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:46,470
that we feared for our
lives, it was that bad.
862
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:50,910
All of the sudden, we heard a
loud bang.
863
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:52,380
864
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:55,520
I swear to God, I thought
they were shooting at us.
865
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,650
Somebody took a popcorn bag and
popped it.
866
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:03,870
That was one of the worst
experiences on the court
867
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,090
that we experienced as a team.
868
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:08,530
This is when we talk about
Coach George Ireland.
869
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:09,970
To me, he should have known
that,
870
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:12,710
he should not have put
us in those situations.
871
00:44:12,750 --> 00:44:16,500
If he cared, he would not have
put us in those situations.
872
00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:21,110
Coach Ireland had a lot of
power.
873
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:23,760
And I'm not just talking about
the power
874
00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:27,510
to play the starters the entire
game.
875
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:31,250
He had the power to say,
"This is a segregated city,
876
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:34,300
and things might be a
little scary for you,
877
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:36,080
but you're gonna play anyway."
878
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,740
And maybe they would have
chosen to play anyway,
879
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:43,000
but we don't know that, because
they didn't have a choice.
880
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:46,610
Through all the
highs and lows of that season,
881
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:47,920
the game at Houston
882
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,140
left the most lasting
impression on the team.
883
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,490
But they won the game, and
for the first time ever
884
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:57,890
Loyola accepted their invitation
to the NCAA tournament.
885
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,850
The Iron Five were about to face
886
00:45:02,890 --> 00:45:05,410
a whole new level of public
scrutiny
887
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:08,030
and there was nowhere to
hide from what was coming.
888
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:12,940
889
00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:14,160
We get the mail.
890
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:17,690
On the outside it was KKK.
891
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:24,170
"You don't belong on the
same floor as white players.
892
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:26,960
We're gonna kill you."
893
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,310
And I'ma tell you, I was scared
to death.
894
00:45:29,350 --> 00:45:31,050
They know where I live.
895
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:33,400
They're gonna come to the dorm
and get me.
896
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,530
I called Ireland, I said,
897
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:38,800
"Ireland, you gotta get over
here."
898
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,100
And he went to the front desk of
the dorm.
899
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:47,150
"Any mail that comes in for the
ballplayers, give it to me."
900
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,550
My dad would keep the mail
from them.
901
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:52,770
He did not want them to read
902
00:45:52,810 --> 00:45:55,550
some of the things that were
sent.
903
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:57,160
Dad would show it to us at home.
904
00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:00,340
I just could not believe any
human beings
905
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:04,730
would send stuff like this
to 19, 20-year-old kids.
906
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:09,000
I've heard stories of the
letters that he received.
907
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,870
But I personally never
seen any of the letters.
908
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:13,660
I believe that he did receive
letters.
909
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,090
I was never able to get to the
letters.
910
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:18,750
In my mind, I had to put
the letters out of my book
911
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:22,800
because I couldn't prove them.
912
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,980
There's three like this
that are all closed up.
913
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:34,110
And up in the corner it says,
"Loyola HM," for hate mail.
914
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:36,770
The way they were signed,
915
00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:40,510
"Uncle Tom," and "KKK," the
N-word.
916
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:42,990
He said he wanted me to have it
917
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:45,250
because he knew I would protect
it.
918
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:51,650
And he said, "Someday, this
history will be alive again.
919
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:56,530
And maybe then you can show it."
920
00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:59,090
921
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,550
He knew it was the wrong thing
to do,
922
00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:24,120
but he could not let this keep
coming to his ball players.
923
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,250
I thought, "If I can just
protect them,
924
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:29,040
who needs to know about this
stuff?"
925
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,170
It happened, it's here and I
promised Dad
926
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:33,650
that I would protect it.
927
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,390
It's tempting to hide
928
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,920
the worst parts of our
histories, to lock them away,
929
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,490
pretend they don't exist.
930
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:48,230
Maybe for Ireland, these letters
were seen
931
00:47:48,270 --> 00:47:50,880
as a burden on the players, a
distraction
932
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:52,410
at the height of their season.
933
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,670
Maybe it was easiest
to just move past them.
934
00:47:58,110 --> 00:48:01,330
But the problem is, Ireland
didn't.
935
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:04,900
Among those letters
were threats so severe,
936
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:06,900
he hired security for his
daughters,
937
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:10,210
a protection he never offered
his players.
938
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,390
I don't think he thought
at all
939
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:17,480
about race relations.
940
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,960
I don't think he was
interested in race relations.
941
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,350
I think George Ireland was
thinking about himself,
942
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,050
his family, and winning
basketball games.
943
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:36,060
I always accepted that
as a part of the times.
944
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:38,710
I never held that part against
him.
945
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,410
It was important to him
that he was successful.
946
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:47,160
And by being good to us,
it made him successful.
947
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,250
Even through the death
threats,
948
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:53,950
the Loyola players found
a way to stay focused.
949
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,210
The NCAA tournament was fast
approaching
950
00:48:59,260 --> 00:49:01,740
and Cincinnati was still
expected to win it all.
951
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,700
Though it looked like the
bracket
952
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:08,740
would have one glaring omission.
953
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:10,830
954
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,360
Mississippi State defeated Ole
Miss
955
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,750
to clinch the Southeastern
Conference Championship,
956
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,240
which gave them the automatic
bid to the NCAA tournament.
957
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,850
The next day, Governor
Barnett issued a statement
958
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:27,630
that Mississippi State will not
be playing
959
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,070
in the NCAA tournament.
960
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:34,680
Personally, I feel it is
not for the best interest
961
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:39,730
of Mississippi State University,
or either of the races.
962
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:45,000
The governor
had issued an injunction.
963
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,520
We will do all we can, to
the point of arresting you,
964
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:51,270
when you get ready to leave
the state of Mississippi.
965
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:55,360
The NCAA had no idea where
to put State in their seeding
966
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,790
'cause they didn't know
if State was gonna be able
967
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,530
to make it, even though
they had verbally committed.
968
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:02,930
Mississippi State
was given a first-round bye.
969
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:05,110
Their first opponent would be
the winner
970
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:07,190
of Loyola versus Tennessee Tech.
971
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:12,760
People don't realize
the amount of pressure
972
00:50:12,810 --> 00:50:14,460
that we were under.
973
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:17,680
Not only from the KKK
and the White Knights,
974
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:19,420
but from our own people.
975
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:23,080
Blacks across the country,
976
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,080
who were putting their hopes on
us.
977
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:32,090
That we had to win because
the black community
978
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:34,480
was counting on us.
979
00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:39,010
Jerry said that he had black
people calling him saying,
980
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:41,620
"Hey, you better not lose
to those white boys."
981
00:50:41,660 --> 00:50:43,970
Come on, you guys,
we're rooting for you,
982
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:45,360
we're rooting for you.
983
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:51,410
We got so roused up that
you're gonna be hard to beat.
984
00:50:51,850 --> 00:50:54,330
You're gonna be very hard to
beat.
985
00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:59,460
The first game was against
Tennessee Tech,
986
00:50:59,510 --> 00:51:01,420
an all-white team.
987
00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:04,640
988
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:08,560
And that poor team.
989
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,430
We went up 30, 40, we beat 'em,
990
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,350
and it's still a record, 69
points.
991
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,700
The final score of that game
992
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:23,140
is still the greatest
disparity in NCAA history.
993
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:27,750
I mean, it's just amazing
the advantage you have
994
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,020
once you're motivated and roused
up.
995
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:35,150
The Ramblers were
eager for their next match-up.
996
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,200
But with no word from
Mississippi State,
997
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,550
Loyola had no idea if they'd
show up.
998
00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:44,250
Their coaches said we're
going,
999
00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:45,860
their president says they're
going,
1000
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:47,690
but everybody else in
power in the state says,
1001
00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:50,170
"No, you can't."
1002
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:53,520
These are guys who were
raised to honor authority,
1003
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,870
to obey their elders.
1004
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:58,090
You know, we faced jail time
1005
00:51:58,130 --> 00:52:00,920
if we failed to obey the
injunction.
1006
00:52:02,050 --> 00:52:03,090
The night before the
trip,
1007
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:05,270
Coach McCarthy did have a team
meeting.
1008
00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:07,660
We talked, he'd said,
1009
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:09,140
"Here's what we're gonna do."
1010
00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:14,230
1011
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:20,330
We aimed to leave early the next
morning,
1012
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:23,550
as early as we could and we
headed out.
1013
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:27,900
The team was
gonna split into two teams.
1014
00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:30,510
One was the decoy team.
1015
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:32,990
They sent our trainer
and six of our players
1016
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,520
that didn't play a whole
lot out to the airport.
1017
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,040
They keep the five
starters and the sixth man
1018
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,350
back at the dorm room.
1019
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,260
There're two
airports in Starkville.
1020
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:45,270
As a decoy, one group
was going to Bryan Field.
1021
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:46,740
They went out there to
see
1022
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:50,440
if there was gonna be an
officer to serve the injunction.
1023
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,670
In that case, the
trainer with the decoys
1024
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:58,190
was gonna phone back to
campus, tell the starting team,
1025
00:52:58,230 --> 00:53:00,150
"Don't come to the airport."
1026
00:53:00,190 --> 00:53:02,020
They had another plane waiting
for them
1027
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:05,550
at another airport that they
were gonna take if they had to.
1028
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:08,640
And should six be
arrested,
1029
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,160
six will end up in East Lansing,
Michigan.
1030
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,160
It was like "Mission
Impossible," man.
1031
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:17,650
We were kinda the guinea pigs,
okay?
1032
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:21,340
I was literally scared to
death, but we were gonna go.
1033
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:25,610
The reserves made it
through to the airport.
1034
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:28,350
A call was made, and they
said, "Coast is clear."
1035
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,010
And the starters, Joe Dan and
Red Straud
1036
00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:33,750
and Doug Hutton, they went.
1037
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,930
And they all flew together.
1038
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:39,800
1039
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,630
And as soon as
the plane left the ground,
1040
00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:44,500
you could hear the guys all
together
1041
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:46,890
started clapping and cheering.
1042
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:48,940
We're off, we're on our way.
1043
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,250
I didn't think
they were gonna come.
1044
00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:59,820
And when we got to Michigan,
they said
1045
00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:02,860
Mississippi State is gonna play
you.
1046
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:06,690
To know that cops are chasing
them
1047
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:09,570
and that what they're doing
is gonna create a stir.
1048
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:12,220
And then just even getting
psychologically ready
1049
00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:13,700
for an NCAA tournament game,
1050
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:16,310
which they had never done
before.
1051
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,270
I'm sure they were probably
tapped out.
1052
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,710
How many people are
gonna support us being there?
1053
00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:23,620
We don't know.
1054
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:27,060
Everything was very
quiet.
1055
00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:28,460
We're all sitting there, you
know,
1056
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:30,020
about halfway wanting to cry.
1057
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:34,330
1058
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:36,160
And when we got on the floor
that night,
1059
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,420
and all of a sudden, the
MSU fight song was played.
1060
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:42,600
1061
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,820
1062
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,610
Here we are, a bunch of
white kids in opposition
1063
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:57,750
to a movement against black
athletes,
1064
00:54:57,790 --> 00:55:01,970
to play something as easy or
simple as a basketball game?
1065
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:05,620
To walk into a gym of 15, 18,000
people.
1066
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,190
Wow.
1067
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:14,330
Could it really be happening?
That, um.
1068
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:19,160
1069
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:22,990
They had no clue
1070
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:24,640
that they would be that
welcomed.
1071
00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:28,040
Joe Dan Gold was our
captain
1072
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,080
and he went out to shake
hands before the tip-off.
1073
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:34,350
There was no cheering.
1074
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:36,350
The place was quiet.
1075
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:39,870
Everybody was watching
us, you could feel it.
1076
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,010
I didn't hear anything
the referees were saying.
1077
00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:48,100
I was looking at Joe Dan
and he was looking at me.
1078
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:52,580
We both went to shake
hands and the place lit up.
1079
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:53,800
Pop, pop, pow!
1080
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:58,370
The cameras just went
crazy.
1081
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:00,940
Almost turned into
daylight.
1082
00:56:00,980 --> 00:56:03,330
I mean everyone
understood
1083
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:06,550
how important that moment was.
1084
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,340
It was captured for the ages.
1085
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:12,340
I said, "This
is more than a game.
1086
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:13,950
This is history."
1087
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:19,610
For our two captains to shake
hands
1088
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:23,700
and acknowledge the fact
that, "Hey, we're here."
1089
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:26,360
1090
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,230
The night would
forever be known
1091
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,710
as the Game of Change.
1092
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:47,460
When the final buzzer sounded,
1093
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:51,340
Loyola had earned the win,
sending them to the Elite Eight.
1094
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:54,640
While Mississippi State faced
the reality of returning home,
1095
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:57,470
and the consequences
that would be waiting.
1096
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,340
I don't know, we could have
played a whole lot of games
1097
00:56:59,390 --> 00:57:00,910
and probably never beaten them.
1098
00:57:02,570 --> 00:57:05,090
Coach came in, and his first
thing he says
1099
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:06,310
when he popped in that door,
1100
00:57:06,350 --> 00:57:08,700
is "Boys, you get your head up."
1101
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:10,090
He said, "Y'all have done
something
1102
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:12,450
that nobody in Mississippi's
ever done, you know.
1103
00:57:12,490 --> 00:57:14,320
Y'all have nothing to be ashamed
of."
1104
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:18,760
Well, obviously our flight
home
1105
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,410
was a disappointing flight home.
1106
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,890
Yet, it wasn't disappointing
1107
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:26,720
because we had accomplished
what we set out to do.
1108
00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:30,330
The Mississippi State team
didn't know
1109
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:33,160
what they would find when they
got home.
1110
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,550
That was the danger.
1111
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,080
That was the element that
they were dealing with,
1112
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,510
it had to be in the back of
their minds the whole time.
1113
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,520
1114
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:44,430
They get back to Mississippi
1115
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:48,960
and there's a crowd
treating them like heroes.
1116
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,180
1117
00:57:58,230 --> 00:58:00,190
You know, the best thing is to
win.
1118
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:02,020
The second best thing is to
lose.
1119
00:58:02,060 --> 00:58:04,410
That means you got a chance to
compete.
1120
00:58:04,450 --> 00:58:07,940
Without the ability to
compete, you got nothing.
1121
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,420
Differences of opinion that we
have
1122
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:13,680
and ill feelings that we have,
1123
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,070
but basketball and sports
can do an awful lot
1124
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,420
to bring people together.
1125
00:58:20,770 --> 00:58:23,170
As the NCAA
tournament continued,
1126
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:25,300
Loyola defeated Illinois and
Duke
1127
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:27,390
to advance to the championship
game
1128
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:30,170
for the first time in school
history.
1129
00:58:30,220 --> 00:58:32,870
The most anticipated
contest of the season,
1130
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Loyola versus Cincinnati, was
set.
1131
00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:39,790
The night we beat Duke,
what I remember most vividly
1132
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,930
is Vic Rouse jumping on the bed
1133
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:44,930
at four o'clock in the morning
1134
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:49,370
saying he's gonna be
looking at his NCAA watch.
1135
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:52,150
I remember that
vividly.
1136
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,980
'Cause they didn't give
out rings at that time.
1137
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:55,550
They gave out watches.
1138
00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:57,990
I don't think any of the guys
got to bed
1139
00:58:58,030 --> 00:58:59,120
til at least 4:00 in the
morning.
1140
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,160
And that might have been,
1141
00:59:01,210 --> 00:59:03,900
the guys might have been
dragging a little bit.
1142
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:05,780
NCAA Championship ball
game.
1143
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:07,820
It's a ding-dong-dilly of a
battle tonight
1144
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:10,210
at Louisville as we
will have the Bearcats,
1145
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:12,910
coached by Ed Jucker,
against the Ramblers,
1146
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,130
coached by George Ireland
of Loyola of Chicago.
1147
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:19,620
For the first
time in NCAA history,
1148
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:23,450
seven black starters across
both teams took the floor.
1149
00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:25,670
And in a nationally televised
game,
1150
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:27,360
the entire country was watching.
1151
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:32,890
On Chicago local radio,
Loyola's very own announcer,
1152
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:35,020
Red Rush was calling the game,
1153
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:38,590
a voice no one would forget
by the end of the night.
1154
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:40,940
We are hungry for a
championship,
1155
00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:43,640
so please bring one home to us,
won't you?
1156
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,290
It was bringing chills to me
1157
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:46,950
to be honest with you, watching
that.
1158
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:49,080
We had 150 young nuns there,
1159
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,130
looking at this little
black-and-white TV
1160
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:53,040
so we could watch that game.
1161
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,570
Probably the audience at
the time was pro-Cincinnati.
1162
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,230
Nobody had won three titles in a
row.
1163
01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:07,230
I guess the excitement starts
1164
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:11,280
when you're running out
through the crowded area.
1165
01:00:12,190 --> 01:00:15,670
I could not see anybody that I
knew there,
1166
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,370
but I knew they were there.
1167
01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:19,630
Okay, there was that many
people.
1168
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,980
1169
01:00:22,030 --> 01:00:23,240
It felt as though
1170
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:24,990
I'd been looking forward
to this all my life.
1171
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,950
I would say more excited,
1172
01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:32,170
somewhat nervous, but more
excited.
1173
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:36,910
I just said, "We gotta
get to a good start."
1174
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,870
At tip-off, I had this little
habit
1175
01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:43,610
where I always reached
down and touched my sock.
1176
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:46,790
And that night, I didn't touch
my sock,
1177
01:00:46,830 --> 01:00:49,530
which said to me I must have
been nervous.
1178
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,620
The ball's in the air
1179
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:53,970
and controlled by Cincinnati's
Tony Yates.
1180
01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:56,150
So the Bearcats have got
the ball on the move.
1181
01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:58,450
He brings the ball over
the 10-second timeline.
1182
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:00,020
The Bearcats control down here
to Bonham,
1183
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,850
fires from the baseline,
jumps, shoots, off,
1184
01:01:01,890 --> 01:01:04,550
no good, and Wilson stuffs it
through.
1185
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:08,330
George Wilson went high in the
sky and stuffed it through.
1186
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:10,640
We were the best team, without
a doubt.
1187
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,900
Deliberate game, set picks,
1188
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:14,560
take our time with the ball.
1189
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:17,040
Right at tip-off,
1190
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,430
Cincinnati had momentum on their
side.
1191
01:01:19,470 --> 01:01:21,430
Both teams studied their
opponent,
1192
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,000
their styles, tactics,
and their biggest threat.
1193
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:26,180
Harkness out to Ron
Miller,
1194
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:27,740
they're going to try to set the
pattern,
1195
01:01:27,790 --> 01:01:29,960
they're not going in that
full-court-press incidentally.
1196
01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:32,710
Tom Thacker, the best
defensive player
1197
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:34,970
in college basketball at the
time.
1198
01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:38,280
At the beginning of the game I
said, "I'ma get in his head."
1199
01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:41,580
He was going in
1200
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:44,150
for what he thought was an easy
layup.
1201
01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:47,200
He thought he had Tom Thacker
beat.
1202
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,850
Instead of going left,
1203
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,850
where I know they had scouted me
1204
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:54,160
and I go left 90% of the time,
1205
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,600
I said, "I'ma go right on him."
1206
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,080
They're going to
try to set the pattern.
1207
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,600
There goes Harkness driving the
baseline,
1208
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:00,820
and the ball knocked out of
bounds
1209
01:02:00,860 --> 01:02:03,740
by Tom Thacker who is on
Harkness.
1210
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:05,350
He slapped the ball away.
1211
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:09,480
I could not believe what he had
just done.
1212
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,350
Nobody would think of it
as being awesome except me.
1213
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,750
He knocked me out of my game.
1214
01:02:15,790 --> 01:02:19,100
From that moment
on, he was afraid of Thacker.
1215
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:20,840
Thacker was in his head.
1216
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,760
Being guarded by
Thacker, Harkness goes up
1217
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,060
off the left side, jumps,
an 8-footer, off, no good,
1218
01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:27,800
and Wilson clears the backboard
backing up underneath.
1219
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:32,460
When I got around him,
there's George Wilson.
1220
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,510
They had a double where
they had me boxed in.
1221
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:36,330
Down to Harkness.
1222
01:02:36,380 --> 01:02:37,420
Harkness has yet to score,
1223
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:38,990
we're going to see what happens.
1224
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:40,340
He backs up, he always shoots
when he does, let's wait.
1225
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:42,340
He turns around, jumps,
shoots, off, no good,
1226
01:02:42,380 --> 01:02:44,650
and the ball knocked
into the hands of Wilson.
1227
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:47,170
They had all of the things to
stop me.
1228
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:49,390
They just scouted us very, very
well.
1229
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:51,170
Off to Miller
to the right-hand side,
1230
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:54,000
goes to the baseline, jumps,
an 8-footer, off, no good.
1231
01:02:54,050 --> 01:02:56,180
So Ron Miller has got a foul.
1232
01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:58,700
We'd had slow starts before.
1233
01:02:58,750 --> 01:03:03,360
But this night, something is
wrong.
1234
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,360
1235
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:08,240
With the threat of
Jerry Harkness neutralized,
1236
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,670
Ed Jucker turned his attack
1237
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:14,240
on what Loyola relied
on most, their speed.
1238
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,030
Passing over to Bonham
behind the free-throw line,
1239
01:03:16,070 --> 01:03:17,110
it is off the iron, no good
1240
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,990
and Miller controls it off of
there.
1241
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:20,330
They slow down that fast break.
1242
01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:22,640
9:56 left to go in the first
half.
1243
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,600
They took away our fast
breaks.
1244
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,950
We wanted to cut loose all the
time.
1245
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:29,390
We wanted to get the ball and
go,
1246
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:31,000
and get the ball and go.
1247
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,870
They didn't take enough
shots for us to get going.
1248
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:37,830
They were never in a hurry to
take a shot.
1249
01:03:37,870 --> 01:03:40,960
Thacker way over, hands
it back to Larry Shingleton.
1250
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:42,270
They have a seven point lead
1251
01:03:42,310 --> 01:03:43,710
and when Cincinnati's
got that kind of a lead,
1252
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:44,840
it's pretty tough.
1253
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,450
So they didn't miss a lot of
shots.
1254
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:50,020
So there was not an opportunity
for us to get rebounds.
1255
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:53,630
And for some reason, we could
not ever adjust to that style.
1256
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:57,150
I don't remember having a
fast-break in the first half.
1257
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,070
We just never could get
started.
1258
01:03:59,110 --> 01:04:00,420
And we weren't shooting well.
1259
01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:02,120
Shooting percentage was
terrible.
1260
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,730
The Ramblers with a
13-footer, up, off, no good.
1261
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:06,420
Over to Miller, jumping from
behind the free-throw lane,
1262
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:09,250
it is up, and short, no
good, and Thacker clears it.
1263
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,340
How could we miss that many
shots?
1264
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:13,870
I mean they were easy shots,
they were wide open shots,
1265
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:15,220
and we were missing shots.
1266
01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:17,700
I knew that we were much
better
1267
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:19,180
than we were playing.
1268
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:21,920
A lot of people were
probably watching at home.
1269
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,050
And we come there and flop.
1270
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,790
Everyone on that team was
nervous.
1271
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,150
We were out of sync,
largely because our leader
1272
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:36,580
was not having a good half.
1273
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:38,890
Jerry did not feel
confident.
1274
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:41,420
If Jerry was not confident,
the rest of the team
1275
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:44,070
had to wonder, "What's to become
of us?"
1276
01:04:44,110 --> 01:04:45,720
Miller over to Harkness.
1277
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:47,120
He goes down near the baseline.
1278
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,860
Bonham's on him, dribbles
under, fakes, shoots,
1279
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:50,550
and he is knocked down.
1280
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,860
But getting the ball.
1281
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:55,170
Egan sets, he shoots, it
is rolling off, no good.
1282
01:04:55,210 --> 01:04:57,520
Over to Ron Miller, he
jumps, he shoots, a 6-footer,
1283
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,740
rolls off, no good, and the
ball is knocked out of bounds,
1284
01:04:59,780 --> 01:05:01,700
last touched by Vic Rouse.
1285
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:06,480
At halftime the score is 29 to
21.
1286
01:05:06,530 --> 01:05:08,530
The assumption by everybody
is that this is a gimme.
1287
01:05:08,570 --> 01:05:10,440
Cincinnati's got it, it's in the
bag.
1288
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,450
1289
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:17,710
The first half of the
championship game
1290
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,190
is kind of a blur.
1291
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,810
I remember Jerry had a very bad
game,
1292
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,720
but so did everyone else.
1293
01:05:28,070 --> 01:05:29,940
We played the worst game of the
year.
1294
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,900
Of the four years that
I was around Ireland,
1295
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:36,380
I've often thought
1296
01:05:36,430 --> 01:05:40,780
that George Ireland's greatest
achievement as a coach
1297
01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:43,260
was what he said at halftime.
1298
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:49,530
He walks into the locker
room and said to us,
1299
01:05:49,570 --> 01:05:53,840
"You know, you just played
the worst half of basketball
1300
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,920
I think we've played all year."
1301
01:05:55,970 --> 01:05:58,190
And he says, "I'm not worried
about it.
1302
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,360
We're gonna go out there the
second half,
1303
01:06:01,410 --> 01:06:04,280
and you're gonna play better,
and we'll win the game."
1304
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,420
There were other times
when we would be winning
1305
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:10,720
by 10, 12, 15 points,
1306
01:06:10,770 --> 01:06:12,460
and he would come into the
locker room
1307
01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:14,680
and he would start throwing
things around,
1308
01:06:14,730 --> 01:06:17,550
telling us how lousy we were
playing.
1309
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,340
But at this moment, that night,
1310
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:23,730
he was the complete
opposite of all of those.
1311
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,390
He said, "We're better than
that.
1312
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:29,350
You're better than that."
1313
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:31,440
He said, "We'll get 'em the
second half."
1314
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:36,570
I've often felt that was his
finest hour.
1315
01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:40,660
1316
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:43,890
1317
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,370
The ball is up and
controlled
1318
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:50,850
by Jerry Harkness over near the
sideline.
1319
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:52,590
Back to Miller the ball goes.
1320
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:54,290
Back down to Harkness on the
right side,
1321
01:06:54,330 --> 01:06:56,290
going inside the
free-throw lane, shoots up,
1322
01:06:56,330 --> 01:06:57,860
and it goes off to Rouse,
1323
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:00,640
he scores as he controls the
board.
1324
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,950
I never heard anyone say
they had lost their hope.
1325
01:07:04,990 --> 01:07:07,080
But if you're watching that
game,
1326
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:09,650
you had to think, "Things
are not going our way
1327
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:12,520
and I don't see how they're
gonna change."
1328
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:14,520
Bolstered by
their coach's confidence,
1329
01:07:14,570 --> 01:07:17,050
Loyola came out of the
half ready to fight,
1330
01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:20,230
but Cincinnati looked just
as strong as they started.
1331
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:22,010
With Jerry still held at bay,
1332
01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:23,970
the Bearcats kept the pace slow,
1333
01:07:24,010 --> 01:07:25,620
making it even harder to catch
up.
1334
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:27,190
Yates has got it over
the far side
1335
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:28,190
to Larry Shingleton.
1336
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:29,580
Larry down the corner to Bonham,
1337
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:31,760
he jumps, an 18-footer is up and
good.
1338
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,420
45 to 30, Cincinnati leading by
15 points,
1339
01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:37,900
you wouldn't believe it
unless you were here.
1340
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:39,330
I'm thinking to myself,
1341
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:40,940
"How do we make this comeback?
1342
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:42,550
How do we do it?"
1343
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,990
Cincinnati was about
the best defensive team
1344
01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:46,510
in the United States,
1345
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,730
so how do you overcome that
deficit?
1346
01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:51,910
It's a long,
hard hill to climb.
1347
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:54,300
But maybe there's some life in
them yet.
1348
01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:56,700
Rouse clears the
backboard for Loyola.
1349
01:07:58,050 --> 01:07:59,400
Take the deep breath
1350
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,620
and you wait for your time to
hit.
1351
01:08:02,660 --> 01:08:05,010
47-34, 13 point lead.
1352
01:08:05,050 --> 01:08:07,190
Here's Ron Miller going
down to the baseline.
1353
01:08:07,230 --> 01:08:09,410
Jumps, shoots, scores.
1354
01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:10,580
Going in the lane, and back, and
pass,
1355
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:12,230
it goes to Harkness, the
baseline,
1356
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:13,410
jumps, off, no good,
1357
01:08:13,450 --> 01:08:15,720
he can't get it, Rouse gets the
rebound.
1358
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,760
It was about five
minutes to go in the game.
1359
01:08:18,810 --> 01:08:20,370
I hadn't scored a basket.
1360
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:21,590
Shoots, up, off, no
good.
1361
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:22,980
And Leslie Hunter clears it.
1362
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:25,550
There they go, Harkness,
and the ball is stolen,
1363
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,030
as Harkness passes, it's
stolen by Larry Shingleton.
1364
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,820
Beautiful interception by Larry.
1365
01:08:32,430 --> 01:08:34,870
Loyola was
battling every possession.
1366
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:37,300
But still down seven, every miss
1367
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:39,260
made it painfully clear,
1368
01:08:39,310 --> 01:08:44,220
if Jerry Harkness couldn't
score, Loyola was finished.
1369
01:08:47,270 --> 01:08:50,140
Jerry had a big dream, had big
ideas
1370
01:08:50,190 --> 01:08:53,620
about his friends at
home watching him on TV.
1371
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:56,760
How this was gonna be triumph of
the poor,
1372
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,760
be triumphant back in New York.
1373
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,590
And he saw all that slipping
away.
1374
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:05,640
I would not have been
able to face myself,
1375
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,340
in life, because I played so
bad.
1376
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,340
I would have felt bad
for the rest of my life.
1377
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,740
But God has always put me in a
situation,
1378
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:25,790
going on welfare, nothing to
eat.
1379
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:30,050
And I think of my mom getting us
through,
1380
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,190
coming out of the
hospital, and telling us,
1381
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:37,800
"We're going to make it."
1382
01:09:39,060 --> 01:09:43,020
I realized that all of that
drive and determination
1383
01:09:45,070 --> 01:09:46,290
came from my mom.
1384
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:50,810
Ireland put in a different play
1385
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:53,680
that Cincinnati had not seen.
1386
01:09:53,730 --> 01:09:56,560
I felt finally, maybe this is it
for me.
1387
01:09:59,950 --> 01:10:03,390
Egan, Egan to Harkness,
turn around, jumper's good.
1388
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:05,090
Jerry made his first basket.
1389
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:10,220
He made it, he might do
it, 48 to 43, 48 to 43.
1390
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:11,440
We can win this game.
1391
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:13,960
At that point, we can win.
1392
01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:15,790
Here's Thacker with that
ball.
1393
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,660
Passing down, intercepted by
Harkness.
1394
01:10:17,710 --> 01:10:20,540
Here goes Jerry, lays
it up, and he scores.
1395
01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:24,670
Harkness scores, beautiful,
beautiful, beautiful.
1396
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:29,020
48-45, 4:16 left to go.
1397
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:31,330
Oh, is this a ball game now.
1398
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:33,720
Out to Harkness on the left
side, he's driving down,
1399
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:38,770
he's under, lays it up, and
scores, he scores, he scores.
1400
01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:41,860
Jerry was the primary reason
1401
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:46,260
that we were able to come
back and get into the game.
1402
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:51,220
Once he heated up, the rest
of the team followed suit.
1403
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,010
We just started
playing harder, much harder.
1404
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:58,400
Look at Hunter get that
ball.
1405
01:10:58,440 --> 01:10:59,920
Miller on the right side,
1406
01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:01,750
a bounce pass into Hunter,
turn around, layup, and oh!
1407
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,410
Goal tending, goal tending,
they finally called it.
1408
01:11:04,450 --> 01:11:06,410
It's 51 to 50.
1409
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,110
The crowd started to come
around,
1410
01:11:09,150 --> 01:11:11,020
'cause we started to close the
gap.
1411
01:11:11,070 --> 01:11:13,150
Here comes Harkness, he
lays it up
1412
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,510
and it is tipped in by Hunter,
19 seconds, 15 seconds, 16.
1413
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,730
Shingleton's got it, and a foul.
1414
01:11:20,770 --> 01:11:22,770
Harkness fouled him
purposefully, he had to do it.
1415
01:11:23,690 --> 01:11:25,040
12 seconds to play
1416
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,520
and it's bedlam here in
Louisville, Kentucky.
1417
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:32,780
53 to 52, Cincinnati by one
single point.
1418
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:35,390
And going to the line
will be Larry Shingleton.
1419
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,570
Larry Shingleton was one of
1420
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:41,790
the best free-throw
shooters in the nation.
1421
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,800
So, you know, when he stepped
to the line, my heart sank.
1422
01:11:47,190 --> 01:11:48,840
With 12 seconds to
go,
1423
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:50,410
Shingleton will go to the line.
1424
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:53,500
If he should miss, they
would have time of course
1425
01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:56,420
to go down the court and
perhaps take that one shot.
1426
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:58,630
And Tom, anything can
happen at this point.
1427
01:12:00,030 --> 01:12:02,460
I am out there praying.
1428
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:05,340
'Cause if he hits both, over.
1429
01:12:05,380 --> 01:12:07,730
No doubt about it, the game is
over.
1430
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:11,340
1431
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:12,690
1432
01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:16,130
Well, there's
one of them, 54 to 52.
1433
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:21,180
I said, "Dear Lord, please,
please just give us a chance."
1434
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:23,220
Larry Shingleton
1435
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:25,440
with only his second point of
the night.
1436
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:28,490
And now, perhaps he can
ice the ball game for them.
1437
01:12:30,190 --> 01:12:33,580
1438
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,240
It's short, and it comes off to
Loyola.
1439
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,850
Les gets the rebound, perfect
position.
1440
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:44,250
And there's a guy from
Cincinnati
1441
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:48,210
who swipes at the ball as
Les passes the ball to me.
1442
01:12:48,250 --> 01:12:51,120
And as I catch the
ball, I take one dribble
1443
01:12:51,170 --> 01:12:54,600
and I see Jerry streaking
toward the basket.
1444
01:12:54,650 --> 01:12:57,870
I saw him break, I knew
he could get his shot,
1445
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:59,610
because that's his spot.
1446
01:12:59,650 --> 01:13:01,780
Jerry did what he does best.
1447
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,440
He cocked that left hand behind
his head.
1448
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:06,880
I didn't feel anything.
1449
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:10,880
I didn't feel the ball leave my
hand.
1450
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,450
If I would have had an air ball,
1451
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:15,100
I wouldn't have been surprised.
1452
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:17,630
I just let it go.
1453
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:19,630
No good, and
Leslie Hunter has got it.
1454
01:13:19,670 --> 01:13:21,460
To Ron Miller, they've got a
fast break.
1455
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,070
Down to Harkness, he jumps,
he shoots, he scores.
1456
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:28,810
He scores, he scores, he scores!
1457
01:13:28,860 --> 01:13:31,470
Perfect fast break within
seconds.
1458
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:33,640
And that, to me, was who Loyola
was.
1459
01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:36,470
That's how we played, just like
that.
1460
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:37,690
One second to go,
1461
01:13:37,730 --> 01:13:39,260
and we're going into overtime.
1462
01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:43,830
And the score is all tied, 54 to
54.
1463
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:47,960
1464
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,620
The clock is running with nine
seconds,
1465
01:13:49,660 --> 01:13:51,230
Harkness takes it, he makes it.
1466
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:53,270
It's all tied up.
1467
01:13:53,310 --> 01:13:56,490
1468
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:57,840
There was some
controversy
1469
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,100
that Ronnie Miller might have
gotten away
1470
01:14:01,150 --> 01:14:02,670
with a traveling call.
1471
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,680
That's true, I gotta say it.
1472
01:14:08,940 --> 01:14:12,770
There's the Ronnie,
he did an extra step.
1473
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:15,860
They know what they did,
they know what happened.
1474
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:19,860
It was so close that
nobody in their mind
1475
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:22,740
as a referee is gonna call that.
1476
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:25,260
There was no question
in my mind, he walked.
1477
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:27,440
Did he get away with
something?
1478
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,390
Yeah, they didn't blow a
whistle.
1479
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:34,660
I didn't travel because
the ref didn't call it.
1480
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,190
And the basket's made.
We're into overtime.
1481
01:14:39,230 --> 01:14:43,280
1482
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,370
It is
absolutely a madhouse here.
1483
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:47,850
And it's all tied, 54-54.
1484
01:14:47,890 --> 01:14:50,020
Loyola getting 33 points
in the second half,
1485
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:51,110
Cincinnati getting 25.
1486
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:53,810
And Jerry Harkness, who had had
1487
01:14:53,850 --> 01:14:57,250
perhaps his most miserable
night in his college career,
1488
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:58,550
came back to become the hero
1489
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,860
to tie it up with three seconds
to go.
1490
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:03,340
But when David
comes up against Goliath,
1491
01:15:03,380 --> 01:15:04,730
what can you do?
1492
01:15:04,780 --> 01:15:05,870
There it goes down to
Harkness, he's underneath,
1493
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:07,690
he lays it up, he scores, he
scores.
1494
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:10,780
56 to 54, it's a dilly!
1495
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:13,960
As the Ramblers are out in front
1496
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,050
for the first time in this ball
game.
1497
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:18,620
What I remember most
about the last five minutes
1498
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:20,230
was that desperation.
1499
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:22,270
Keep clawing until the bitter
end
1500
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:23,970
and something good will happen.
1501
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:26,360
Thacker
trying to get one inside,
1502
01:15:26,410 --> 01:15:30,240
he goes to Wilson, and Wilson
scores.
1503
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,460
Imagine playing an entire game
1504
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:37,240
without any break, and an
overtime.
1505
01:15:37,290 --> 01:15:39,510
Those guys had no time to rest.
1506
01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:43,640
They were constantly going. All
five.
1507
01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:45,170
They have gone all
the way
1508
01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:46,990
without a substitute.
1509
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,740
And I'm wondering, Tom Hamlin,
if this isn't beginning
1510
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:52,780
to wear on Loyola a little bit.
1511
01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:55,740
As you get tired, you lose
your legs,
1512
01:15:55,780 --> 01:15:59,270
you lose your shot, a
lot of things go south.
1513
01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:00,440
Les Hunter takes
his shot,
1514
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:01,700
it rolls around and goes off.
1515
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:04,180
And George Wilson grabs
it for the Bearcats.
1516
01:16:06,670 --> 01:16:08,410
At one time, one of the
guys came out and says,
1517
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:10,840
"Chuck, I'm gassed."
1518
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:14,150
Well, coach said go out
there, keep playing.
1519
01:16:14,190 --> 01:16:16,280
Somebody maybe needs a sub,
1520
01:16:16,330 --> 01:16:18,980
but you don't wanna
tinker with that moment.
1521
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:21,330
No substitutions, that's
what it's gonna be.
1522
01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:23,380
The lead pass
intercepted by Ron Miller.
1523
01:16:23,420 --> 01:16:24,510
Ron Miller intercepted the pass
1524
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:26,210
and now the Ramblers have got
it.
1525
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:28,160
Action? You better believe it.
1526
01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:30,340
Miller shoots a 20-footer, good.
1527
01:16:30,380 --> 01:16:32,040
Good by Ron Miller.
1528
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,780
The final minutes of
overtime
1529
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:35,650
felt like a tug-of-war.
1530
01:16:35,690 --> 01:16:37,650
Two teams desperate to win,
1531
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:40,390
both on the verge of collapse.
1532
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:42,350
They'd do anything to score.
1533
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,140
Even if it meant taking a
play from the other side.
1534
01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:47,580
To Cincinnati,
a long pass to Shingleton,
1535
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:49,530
he's in the clear.
1536
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:51,580
He ties it up, 58 to 58.
1537
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:55,240
1538
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:56,580
A minute and a half to go.
1539
01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:01,980
Egan almost loses it.
1540
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:03,420
They'll have to jump for it.
1541
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:07,330
Egan and Shingleton, the two
smallest men on the court,
1542
01:17:07,380 --> 01:17:08,900
will jump for it.
1543
01:17:08,940 --> 01:17:12,030
Jack has no quit in him.
1544
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,390
The fact that Shingleton
was a little taller
1545
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:17,210
didn't make a difference.
1546
01:17:17,260 --> 01:17:20,000
Shingleton
is 5-10 and Egan is 5-9,
1547
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,050
so Cincinnati with a
slight height advantage.
1548
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:26,050
Because believe me, this
is a very important jump.
1549
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:27,920
Jack would fight
anybody.
1550
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,310
I mean, he didn't care who you
were.
1551
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,490
If you had the ball,
he was gonna fight you
1552
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:35,100
to take the ball.
1553
01:17:35,140 --> 01:17:39,110
I don't care if the guy was
6-8, that's the way Jack is.
1554
01:17:39,150 --> 01:17:41,850
Ball is up and
tipped back to Ron Miller.
1555
01:17:41,890 --> 01:17:44,590
He's got it, over to Jerry
Harkness.
1556
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:47,550
I think it was a misfiring
on Shingleton's part
1557
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:50,900
because he was up too
soon before the ball was,
1558
01:17:50,940 --> 01:17:52,250
could be reached.
1559
01:17:52,290 --> 01:17:55,640
And Jack timed it perfectly,
luck of the Irish.
1560
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:58,250
Back to Egan, 1:15.
1561
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:00,520
What would you do? 58-58.
1562
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,690
Would you go for the one?
1563
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:06,480
I think everyone knew that the
idea was
1564
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,440
to get the ball to Jerry
Harkness for the last shot.
1565
01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:13,920
So we're gonna try to
get the ball to Jerry.
1566
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:15,530
And he should be taking his shot
1567
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:17,710
with three, four seconds left,
1568
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:20,840
so there's a chance for
a tip in, a rebound,
1569
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:22,540
but not an opportunity for them
1570
01:18:22,580 --> 01:18:25,330
to get a rebound and go
all the way down the court.
1571
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:26,980
How do we do it?
1572
01:18:27,020 --> 01:18:28,280
They're gonna go for
one,
1573
01:18:28,330 --> 01:18:29,980
I don't think there's
any question about it.
1574
01:18:30,030 --> 01:18:32,330
50 seconds, 49, 48.
1575
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:34,330
Harkness backing in, he may go,
1576
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:35,860
now he goes back out to Egan.
1577
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:39,120
Egan has got the ball, looking
around, over to Harkness,
1578
01:18:39,170 --> 01:18:41,820
back to Egan, 38 seconds left to
go.
1579
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:44,610
To Rouse, back to Miller,
they're
gonna go for the one shot.
1580
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:47,430
58-58. And this is a twist.
1581
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,000
Cincinnati, the team that
always holds the ball,
1582
01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:52,090
they're seeing what it feels
like now.
1583
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:57,100
The team that normally held
the ball
1584
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:59,930
did not know what to do
1585
01:18:59,970 --> 01:19:02,800
when someone held the ball
against them.
1586
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,710
Egan over To Harkness.
1587
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,240
Harkness going inside the lane,
1588
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,370
now he goes back out to Miller.
1589
01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:10,280
15 seconds, out to Egan.
1590
01:19:10,330 --> 01:19:11,500
I guarantee you one thing,
1591
01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:13,420
they'll give it Harkness when
it's time.
1592
01:19:13,460 --> 01:19:16,680
Everybody pretty much
thought it would come to me.
1593
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,600
Miller's got it, out to
Rouse.
1594
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,210
Nine, eight, Harkness
has got it, here he goes.
1595
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:22,900
And I got the ball.
1596
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:26,650
And he knew I was going
left, and I knew it.
1597
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:29,080
But I didn't feel it.
1598
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,220
In the corner of my
eye, I saw Hunter open.
1599
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:36,310
And he can hit that shot.
1600
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:37,700
Threw it to Les.
1601
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:40,180
Now we're talking probably
three or four seconds.
1602
01:19:40,230 --> 01:19:41,400
I got nervous.
1603
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,140
Not because Les isn't a great
shot,
1604
01:19:44,190 --> 01:19:49,320
but I heard the ball scratch
as he took that shot.
1605
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:51,980
He scratched it with his
fingernails.
1606
01:19:52,020 --> 01:19:53,890
It was a good shot to take.
1607
01:19:53,940 --> 01:19:55,760
It went off the side of the
rim
1608
01:19:55,810 --> 01:19:59,330
and then one of the second best,
1609
01:19:59,380 --> 01:20:01,860
third best moment of
my life was seeing Vic
1610
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:04,030
push that ball back through the
basket.
1611
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,290
Off the rim, Rouse gets
it,
1612
01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:08,340
scores, it's over, it's over!
1613
01:20:08,380 --> 01:20:11,870
We won, we won, we won the
ballgame!
1614
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:13,830
We won the ballgame!
1615
01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:16,130
Oh, we won, Loyola won the
ballgame!
1616
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:20,050
Oh, we won it, we won,
1617
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:21,960
60 to 58, 60 to 58.
1618
01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:29,010
Rouse gets it, scores,
it's over, it's over!
1619
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:32,320
We won, we won, we won,
we won the ballgame!
1620
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:33,800
We won, we won.
1621
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,070
And all of a sudden,
we heard these voices,
1622
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:41,550
marched out on Sheridan Road
yelling,
1623
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:43,680
"We won, we won, we won!"
1624
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,730
I think they went all the way to
Evanston,
1625
01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:49,730
like at midnight, oh,
so joyous and so joyful.
1626
01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:51,860
1627
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:53,690
You just have no idea the
pride
1628
01:20:53,730 --> 01:20:55,340
that I have for those guys.
1629
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,050
It was unbelievable.
1630
01:21:00,090 --> 01:21:03,610
It was good to see the starting
five
1631
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:07,790
get the reward reward
that they had earned.
1632
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:10,880
George, how does
it feel
1633
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:13,230
to be a national champion of the
NCAA?
1634
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,580
It's the first time we brought
a team
1635
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:16,150
to the tournament and we just
said,
1636
01:21:16,190 --> 01:21:18,060
"Look, we're having a poor first
half.
1637
01:21:18,110 --> 01:21:20,800
I know you can beat 'em, let's
go out and give it to 'em."
1638
01:21:20,850 --> 01:21:23,500
And that is
the championship for 1963
1639
01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:26,550
and one of the most unbelievable
comebacks of all time.
1640
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:30,810
America was sitting witness
to this evolution of the game
1641
01:21:30,860 --> 01:21:34,730
by seven out of 10 African
Americans starting in that game.
1642
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:38,610
Loyola did
what they set out to do.
1643
01:21:38,650 --> 01:21:40,910
But their win represented so
much more.
1644
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,610
The end of the tournament
1645
01:21:43,650 --> 01:21:45,830
marked the beginning of their
legacy,
1646
01:21:45,870 --> 01:21:47,570
one that shaped the sport
1647
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:51,440
and their lives for years to
come.
1648
01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:55,620
1649
01:21:57,540 --> 01:22:00,710
1650
01:22:01,630 --> 01:22:04,410
โช We're Loyola, we're number one
โช
1651
01:22:04,460 --> 01:22:08,500
โช We're Loyola, we're number one
โช
1652
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,860
The Ramblers returned home to
Chicago
1653
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:14,640
as champions that March of 1963,
1654
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,510
the first school in the state of
Illinois
1655
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,170
to ever win a division one
national title.
1656
01:22:19,210 --> 01:22:21,080
How do you feel after
your four years at Loyola?
1657
01:22:21,130 --> 01:22:22,690
Well, I feel tremendous.
1658
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:23,820
This is a great thing.
1659
01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:26,650
We won the championship in
basketball
1660
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,000
and that's exactly what I
wanted.
1661
01:22:29,050 --> 01:22:32,220
1662
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:36,360
The win was
celebrated not just by Loyola,
1663
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,060
but the entire city of Chicago.
1664
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:42,020
So Ireland proudly paraded
their trophy around town,
1665
01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:44,240
including a barber shop across
from campus
1666
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,070
where four of the Iron Five
weren't even allowed inside.
1667
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:53,200
As for Jerry Harkness, after
graduating,
1668
01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,730
he had a short-lived pro career
in the ABA
1669
01:22:55,770 --> 01:22:57,290
before returning to Chicago
1670
01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,690
and finding work as a
salesman on the Northside,
1671
01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:00,950
close to campus.
1672
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,040
Now, he was just a young black
man trying to build a life.
1673
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,000
1674
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,440
I could see all of
those people out there
1675
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:16,830
cheering as we won the national
title.
1676
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,050
Then when it got time to just
move,
1677
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:23,490
I could not get a place to stay.
1678
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:26,320
And they came up with all kind
of excuses.
1679
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,720
I was being discriminated
against,
1680
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,670
there was no doubt about it.
1681
01:23:32,410 --> 01:23:35,290
The story of the
'63 Ramblers made me wonder,
1682
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,640
"What was really different now?
1683
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,820
Did their accomplishments
change anything?"
1684
01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:44,510
The answer is complicated,
1685
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,730
but their lasting effect
on basketball is clear.
1686
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:53,310
The '63 team changed
the game,
1687
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:56,440
made it faster, more
interesting,
1688
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:01,490
a lot more fun to watch,
almost like a ballet.
1689
01:24:02,620 --> 01:24:06,620
1690
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,930
It was the beginning
of modern basketball.
1691
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,890
That changed the
landscape of college sports.
1692
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:17,070
We were able to work together
1693
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:20,070
with all this diversity
and come out a winner.
1694
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:22,250
And then common sense would tell
us,
1695
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:24,510
"Well, can't we do that
in society as well?"
1696
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:27,600
1697
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,610
1698
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,530
One part of
America was making changes.
1699
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:40,960
Texas Western takes
1700
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,660
the first major sports title
the school has ever won.
1701
01:24:43,700 --> 01:24:45,750
And the other part was not.
1702
01:24:48,450 --> 01:24:53,190
I got involved in the Civil
Rights Movement after school.
1703
01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:56,320
We had an obligation to do
something,
1704
01:24:56,370 --> 01:25:00,240
say something about how the
situation was.
1705
01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:05,770
Sports has a way
of tearing down barriers
1706
01:25:05,810 --> 01:25:07,600
faster than the rest of society.
1707
01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:12,470
And when athletes use their
platform to demand justice,
1708
01:25:12,510 --> 01:25:14,170
they can often turn their
victories
1709
01:25:14,210 --> 01:25:15,560
into something much bigger.
1710
01:25:17,870 --> 01:25:19,260
But they can't do it alone.
1711
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,440
1712
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:28,100
1713
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,100
The world
of college basketball
1714
01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:32,750
has lost a pioneer.
1715
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:35,580
Jerry Harkness was best known
1716
01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:38,150
for the history he made
as a Loyola Rambler.
1717
01:25:39,020 --> 01:25:40,410
Harkness would go on to work
1718
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:42,630
for the United Way of Central
Indiana.
1719
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,980
He helped start the Indiana
Black Expo
1720
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:47,200
and he was the first black
sportscaster
1721
01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:49,030
on Indianapolis television.
1722
01:25:49,940 --> 01:25:52,290
Jerry Harkness was 81 years old.
1723
01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:55,990
1724
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,390
During the 1963 season,
1725
01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:02,000
we see numerous stories being
told.
1726
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,000
And the obvious one is
a story about a team,
1727
01:26:05,050 --> 01:26:07,310
a team with four black players.
1728
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:10,400
And they play well and they win.
1729
01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:14,920
And the story doesn't stop.
1730
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:17,710
Because the story's not
just about basketball.
1731
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:20,800
This story is about the
worth of an athlete,
1732
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,630
the worth of a black man,
1733
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:25,370
their place in society
and what they can demand.
1734
01:26:26,410 --> 01:26:27,720
It's just a tremendous honor
1735
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:32,160
for all the team members to be
recognized.
1736
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,470
It's a chance to see the
effect that you've had
1737
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:38,300
on some of the people that
played,
1738
01:26:38,340 --> 01:26:41,860
some of the black players
that we opened some doors for.
1739
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:45,390
We are extremely proud of you.
1740
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:49,130
You represent the university
1741
01:26:49,180 --> 01:26:51,790
and yourselves extremely well.
1742
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:55,050
We try to do our best
to just imitate you guys
1743
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:57,710
and like what you guys have
done.
1744
01:26:57,750 --> 01:27:01,750
The best we can do is say
this is to be continued.
1745
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,970
It is a work in progress.
1746
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:07,060
It is a project that's not yet
ended.
1747
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:08,460
To make our country one
1748
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:10,760
that's worthy of what
these men went through.
1749
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:12,770
The most important thing
1750
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:14,460
is that we keep telling the
story.
1751
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:16,250
Looking back you have
a better understanding
1752
01:27:16,290 --> 01:27:18,860
of why we are in the situation
that we are in today.
1753
01:27:23,690 --> 01:27:26,260
1754
01:27:28,220 --> 01:27:30,650
One day,
hopefully long from now,
1755
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:33,260
my time playing basketball
will come to an end.
1756
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:36,350
But there will always be more
work to do,
1757
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,620
more unwritten rules to break,
1758
01:27:38,660 --> 01:27:40,180
more ways to make the world
better
1759
01:27:40,230 --> 01:27:41,530
for the next generation.
1760
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,540
To me, that's the inspiration I
think
1761
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:46,800
we can all carry forward.
1762
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,280
That's the legacy of the '63
Ramblers.
1763
01:27:51,060 --> 01:27:53,630
1764
01:27:57,420 --> 01:28:00,600
1765
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:34,500
1766
01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:04,570
1767
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:34,390
1768
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,330
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