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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,918 --> 00:00:15,000 ♪ ("I'LL GET OVER YOU" BY CRYSTAL GALE PLAYING) ♪ 2 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:18,000 RADIO ANNOUNCER: KAAY, proud to be the voice 3 00:00:18,083 --> 00:00:20,417 and choice of Arkansas. 4 00:00:23,292 --> 00:00:26,209 ♪ One thing 'bout This heart of mine ♪ 5 00:00:27,459 --> 00:00:28,542 (CAR ENGINE REVVING) 6 00:00:28,626 --> 00:00:31,459 ♪ All my hurt's Gonna mend in time ♪ 7 00:00:31,542 --> 00:00:35,792 -♪ It don't leave No scars behind ♪ -(TURN SIGNAL CLICKING) 8 00:00:35,876 --> 00:00:38,834 ♪ I'll get over you ♪ 9 00:00:40,751 --> 00:00:42,125 CRAIG HODGES: I'll tell you this. 10 00:00:42,209 --> 00:00:43,626 The story of Gary Betzner 11 00:00:43,709 --> 00:00:46,459 is proof that truth is stranger than fiction. 12 00:00:46,542 --> 00:00:49,000 And it could only have happened in America. 13 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:50,751 (SONG DISTORTS, FADES) 14 00:00:51,709 --> 00:00:54,167 (PLANE ENGINE REVVING) 15 00:00:54,250 --> 00:00:56,167 SALLY BETZNER: Gary was a crop duster. 16 00:00:58,584 --> 00:01:01,000 He was just a natural-born pilot. 17 00:01:01,083 --> 00:01:02,375 ♪ (UNSETTLED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 18 00:01:02,459 --> 00:01:06,042 SALLY: After I married him, I would go out to the hangar 19 00:01:06,125 --> 00:01:08,250 every afternoon and watch Gary fly. 20 00:01:10,709 --> 00:01:13,083 (CROWD CHEERING, SHOUTING) 21 00:01:13,167 --> 00:01:15,751 SALLY: And I'd just sit and watch until I see that one 22 00:01:15,834 --> 00:01:17,125 that flies like a butterfly. 23 00:01:17,209 --> 00:01:21,083 -(ENGINE REVVING) -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 24 00:01:21,167 --> 00:01:23,417 PAUL: He is renowned around here 25 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,292 for what he could do with a plane. 26 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:28,083 CRAIG: The head of the TOPGUN program 27 00:01:28,167 --> 00:01:29,792 described him as being the best pilot 28 00:01:29,876 --> 00:01:31,125 that he had ever known. 29 00:01:33,167 --> 00:01:35,751 It's a special kind of person that crop dusts, 30 00:01:35,834 --> 00:01:37,834 it's a special kind of wild man. 31 00:01:38,626 --> 00:01:44,584 LARRY CAZZAR: 32 00:01:47,417 --> 00:01:49,292 DONNIE: 33 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:55,792 SALLY: He would fly over the farmers on the field 34 00:01:55,876 --> 00:01:59,834 and drop cold beer to ‘em. (LAUGHS) 35 00:02:03,125 --> 00:02:05,167 -(METAL RATTLING) -(PLANE THUDS) 36 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:08,709 SALLY: Gary had 11 plane crashes 37 00:02:08,792 --> 00:02:11,918 in his life, and walked away from every one of them, 38 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:14,125 not a scratch. 39 00:02:14,209 --> 00:02:15,584 That's my dad. 40 00:02:15,667 --> 00:02:17,292 Evil Knievel and my dad, 41 00:02:17,375 --> 00:02:19,125 if they got into a little pissing contest, 42 00:02:19,209 --> 00:02:20,417 it wouldn't be cool. 43 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:22,209 SARA LEE MATTHEWS: 44 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:27,667 CRAIG: It's one of those tall tales, 45 00:02:27,751 --> 00:02:30,876 it's a Southern tale, and so a lot of people knew about it. 46 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:34,792 MIKE GRADY: He just got a little braver and a little braver. 47 00:02:34,876 --> 00:02:38,417 Sooner or later it's gonna come around and bite you. 48 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:41,250 BRIAN BARGER: I don't think that you could make the case 49 00:02:41,334 --> 00:02:45,459 that Gary Betzner is a hero in this story. 50 00:02:47,792 --> 00:02:49,709 I don't think Gary Betzner had a clue 51 00:02:49,792 --> 00:02:51,667 of what he was tripping into... 52 00:02:51,751 --> 00:02:53,709 one of the biggest political scandals 53 00:02:53,792 --> 00:02:55,042 of his lifetime. 54 00:02:59,334 --> 00:03:03,709 SALLY: That day, we went to the dairy bar. 55 00:03:03,792 --> 00:03:07,417 Travis was not interested in going, but Sara Lee was, 56 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,292 so Travis stayed home with Mom. 57 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:14,459 And we get in his car, and we're driving out 58 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:16,042 to the country. 59 00:03:17,459 --> 00:03:19,459 And we were in this El Camino. 60 00:03:21,334 --> 00:03:22,792 Gary was driving. 61 00:03:22,876 --> 00:03:25,042 ♪ ("I'LL GET OVER YOU" BY CRYSTAL GAYLE PLAYING) ♪ 62 00:03:25,125 --> 00:03:28,918 SALLY: ...and he was in a talkative mood. 63 00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:31,959 We went the back way through Highway 70 64 00:03:32,042 --> 00:03:33,667 and up through Biscoe... 65 00:03:35,959 --> 00:03:37,709 to the bridge in Des Arc. 66 00:03:41,042 --> 00:03:44,417 I know that we pulled up onto a bridge in Des Arc. 67 00:03:48,083 --> 00:03:51,083 SALLY: And he stops the car in the middle of the bridge. 68 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,375 The car had broken down. 69 00:03:59,542 --> 00:04:00,834 The hood was up. 70 00:04:03,209 --> 00:04:04,584 SALLY: All of a sudden... 71 00:04:04,667 --> 00:04:08,459 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING, CONCLUDES) ♪ 72 00:04:08,542 --> 00:04:11,876 -(HEAVY BREATHING) -(WATER SPLASHES) 73 00:04:14,584 --> 00:04:15,918 (CROWS CAWING) 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,042 SALLY: ...he jumped off the bridge. 75 00:04:20,292 --> 00:04:23,751 I remember hearing this loud clap sound. 76 00:04:23,834 --> 00:04:25,000 (SMACKS HANDS) 77 00:04:25,083 --> 00:04:26,417 (DISTANT THUNDER RUMBLING) 78 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,167 SALLY: And all of a sudden, it was dark. 79 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:31,667 and I was in a trance, pretty much, 80 00:04:31,751 --> 00:04:35,000 -for hours, it seems like. -♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 81 00:04:35,083 --> 00:04:36,459 SALLY: I was hysterical. 82 00:04:37,375 --> 00:04:39,000 Finally a car pulled up, 83 00:04:39,083 --> 00:04:41,042 and I don't know who picked me up... 84 00:04:41,125 --> 00:04:42,459 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 85 00:04:42,542 --> 00:04:45,751 SALLY: ...but he took me to the Prairie County Sheriff's Office. 86 00:04:50,876 --> 00:04:53,125 I cried, I was on my knees, 87 00:04:53,209 --> 00:04:55,667 I was just like, "What did you do?" 88 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,334 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 89 00:05:00,417 --> 00:05:03,876 We had that one percent of a perfect life. 90 00:05:04,792 --> 00:05:06,751 We had everything. 91 00:05:07,459 --> 00:05:09,584 It just doesn't make sense. 92 00:05:13,584 --> 00:05:15,042 Why? 93 00:05:15,125 --> 00:05:17,709 -(PLANE ENGINE REVVING) -♪ ("THE INVISIBLE PILOT" THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 94 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,667 MATT LEE: All right, Travis, walk into frame 95 00:05:48,751 --> 00:05:50,918 and then just kinda walk and stop in front of me. 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,375 When I look up at ya, then stop. 97 00:05:53,459 --> 00:05:56,334 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 98 00:05:57,542 --> 00:05:59,042 CRAIG: Say your name, Travis Leander... 99 00:05:59,125 --> 00:06:00,334 MATT LEE: No, don't say anything, 100 00:06:00,417 --> 00:06:02,584 just... stop right there. 101 00:06:05,375 --> 00:06:06,834 TRAVIS: I've always dealt with the fact my-- 102 00:06:06,918 --> 00:06:10,042 Of what happened with my dad, what happened with my family. 103 00:06:10,125 --> 00:06:12,751 ♪ (SINISTER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 104 00:06:20,083 --> 00:06:21,626 The more I've been talking about this, 105 00:06:21,709 --> 00:06:22,792 I can see the-- 106 00:06:22,876 --> 00:06:25,375 Trace back the, kind of, string theory to it, you know? 107 00:06:25,459 --> 00:06:27,042 We thought for certain there was no way that-- 108 00:06:27,125 --> 00:06:29,292 TRAVIS: Well, that's the story of my whole life, with my whole family. 109 00:06:29,375 --> 00:06:30,792 CRAIG: Would you say that you had 110 00:06:30,876 --> 00:06:32,584 a non-traditional lifestyle? 111 00:06:32,667 --> 00:06:34,125 We talked about this the other day. 112 00:06:34,209 --> 00:06:35,709 I had a diversified lifestyle. 113 00:06:35,792 --> 00:06:37,500 You're a product of what you experience. 114 00:06:37,584 --> 00:06:38,792 You can unlearn what you've learned 115 00:06:38,876 --> 00:06:40,918 when you realize that a lot of things you've learned 116 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 were because you were at the mercy of externals, 117 00:06:44,083 --> 00:06:46,417 you were at the mercy of the situations you were in. 118 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:48,292 MATT LEE: Travis, Take two. 119 00:06:52,167 --> 00:06:54,542 TRAVIS: I have a good memory of the past, but... 120 00:06:54,626 --> 00:06:55,876 I don't live there, man. 121 00:06:56,834 --> 00:06:58,626 But I do, I do. If you-- People say, 122 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:00,667 "You live in the past." Yeah, you do, 'cause you were there. 123 00:07:00,751 --> 00:07:03,667 (SCOFFS) You are living there. You're, if you go to the past, you're living there. 124 00:07:03,751 --> 00:07:05,584 CRAIG: So, you want to start with your name? 125 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:08,334 Okay, my name is Sara Lee Matthews. 126 00:07:08,417 --> 00:07:10,042 Right? Or do I say Betzner? 127 00:07:13,167 --> 00:07:18,167 Um, my name is Sara Lee Betzner-Matthews... 128 00:07:19,876 --> 00:07:23,125 Carlyle-Harmony. (CHUCKLES) 129 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:24,459 I don't know. 130 00:07:24,542 --> 00:07:26,500 I always write "Sara Lee, question mark." 131 00:07:26,584 --> 00:07:29,500 (RYTHMIC TICKING) 132 00:07:29,584 --> 00:07:32,167 SARA LEE: I'm in a lot of pictures and I look happy. 133 00:07:35,209 --> 00:07:37,209 It was just normal, I mean... 134 00:07:38,667 --> 00:07:40,375 What people call normal. 135 00:07:40,459 --> 00:07:43,459 MATT LEE: To jump ahead a little bit, tell me about the bridge. 136 00:07:44,417 --> 00:07:45,584 P.A.: Slate in. 137 00:07:47,125 --> 00:07:48,959 Sally interview, take one. 138 00:07:49,042 --> 00:07:51,584 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 139 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:55,375 SALLY: It is September, you've got these thunderstorms 140 00:07:55,459 --> 00:07:56,876 that were clapping, 141 00:07:56,959 --> 00:07:59,375 had balls of lightning all over. 142 00:07:59,459 --> 00:08:03,292 An outward feeling of what was going on in me 143 00:08:03,375 --> 00:08:06,042 was in the sky around. 144 00:08:06,125 --> 00:08:08,000 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 145 00:08:08,083 --> 00:08:14,167 And I'm just like, freaking out. I was... vicious, it was like, 146 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:16,042 it was everybody else's fault. 147 00:08:16,125 --> 00:08:17,584 ♪ (UNNERVING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 148 00:08:17,667 --> 00:08:20,500 SALLY: So they took me to the psychological ward. 149 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:24,709 (INDISTINCT HOSPITAL PA CHATTER) 150 00:08:24,792 --> 00:08:27,292 Interviewed me for I don't know how long, talked to me. 151 00:08:27,375 --> 00:08:30,417 -(ELECTRICITY BUZZING) -SALLY: Make sure I wasn't suicidal. 152 00:08:31,334 --> 00:08:33,417 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 153 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,417 SALLY: And finally I realized that they're not gonna let me go 154 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:38,250 until I calmed down. 155 00:08:38,334 --> 00:08:40,375 I said, "All I want to do is see the kids. 156 00:08:40,459 --> 00:08:43,083 Just take me home, let me be with the kids." 157 00:08:43,167 --> 00:08:45,125 (FILM ROLLING) 158 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:48,375 TRAVIS: When you're five years old, just... 159 00:08:48,459 --> 00:08:50,167 Time's different. 160 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:53,834 You know, like, you think the world is so huge, and you're like this tall. 161 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:58,959 It was dark. My mom came in and kneeled down and took us 162 00:08:59,042 --> 00:09:01,626 and sat us and were looked at seriously. 163 00:09:01,709 --> 00:09:03,918 She just said, “I gotta tell y'all something.” 164 00:09:05,459 --> 00:09:08,167 SALLY: I gave him a big hug and cried and said, 165 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:13,959 “Something horrible has happened and your dad's... gone.” 166 00:09:14,042 --> 00:09:17,125 ♪ (FORLORN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 167 00:09:17,209 --> 00:09:19,500 TRAVIS: I didn't know he jumped. I didn't know he jumped 168 00:09:19,584 --> 00:09:21,918 off the bridge. I just know he's dead. She said he was dead. 169 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,250 I just didn't get it. 170 00:09:24,334 --> 00:09:26,542 I didn't really understand that then. 171 00:09:26,626 --> 00:09:30,876 And just trust us that it's all gonna be okay. 172 00:09:32,542 --> 00:09:34,459 TRAVIS: I remember just crying 'cause she was crying. 173 00:09:34,542 --> 00:09:36,500 You're not supposed to let little kids see you cry, 174 00:09:36,584 --> 00:09:38,792 or get emotional. It fucks with them. 175 00:09:38,876 --> 00:09:41,042 And Sara Lee got upset, 'cause she was upset. 176 00:09:42,626 --> 00:09:46,209 SARA LEE: Of all his kids, I'm the closest one like him. 177 00:09:47,542 --> 00:09:49,500 There's a lot of my memories that get changed, you know, 178 00:09:49,584 --> 00:09:51,042 when I talk about him, but, um... 179 00:09:52,042 --> 00:09:54,000 (SIGHS) 180 00:09:54,083 --> 00:09:57,083 Men in my life don't last long. (CHUCKLING) 181 00:09:57,167 --> 00:09:58,209 Um... 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,292 Well, they die young. 183 00:10:05,709 --> 00:10:09,167 TRAVIS: I remember it being kind of-- It being quiet for a while. 184 00:10:10,709 --> 00:10:12,500 And Mom went to therapy. 185 00:10:13,709 --> 00:10:15,375 And she was fucked up about it. 186 00:10:18,167 --> 00:10:19,626 It was real depressing. 187 00:10:19,709 --> 00:10:21,667 Like, I think it was real, "Oh..." You know, the lights were down, 188 00:10:21,751 --> 00:10:24,751 you know, "Oh..." It was like, "Oh..." It was like that. It was kinda like... 189 00:10:24,834 --> 00:10:30,042 we just low key-- Was-- It was a real shut down time, kinda, like it should have been 190 00:10:30,125 --> 00:10:34,125 if someone dies like that, traumatically. (INHALES) 191 00:10:37,125 --> 00:10:39,042 KATV REPORTER: Gary Betzner grew up in Arkansas, 192 00:10:39,125 --> 00:10:42,500 the small towns of Hazen, Des Arc, and Biscoe. 193 00:10:42,584 --> 00:10:44,876 He committed suicide by jumping off this bridge 194 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:46,292 overlooking the White River. 195 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:51,876 -(WIND HOWLING) -(SIREN WAILING) 196 00:10:54,542 --> 00:10:58,334 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO) 197 00:10:58,417 --> 00:11:01,626 I started dragging the river the next morning. 198 00:11:01,709 --> 00:11:03,834 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO) 199 00:11:03,918 --> 00:11:06,000 -MIKE: We worked hard at it. -(ENGINE REVVING) 200 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:08,709 MIKE: We had a Sheriff's Reserve, and... 201 00:11:08,792 --> 00:11:11,042 (INHALES) ...that's one of the things they did, 202 00:11:11,125 --> 00:11:12,417 and they were good at it. 203 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:15,209 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 204 00:11:15,292 --> 00:11:18,000 MIKE: In a little town, there's rumors all the time. 205 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,584 I don't know what happened, 206 00:11:20,667 --> 00:11:24,250 what made him do that, but I don't approve of... 207 00:11:24,334 --> 00:11:26,751 what he did. 208 00:11:26,834 --> 00:11:31,000 Well, I don't think he deserves to have a movie made about him. 209 00:11:31,626 --> 00:11:34,959 (CROWS CAWING) 210 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,542 (COFFEE POURING) 211 00:11:39,876 --> 00:11:42,167 So, I don't know if his business got in trouble, 212 00:11:42,250 --> 00:11:43,459 'cause, you know, 213 00:11:43,542 --> 00:11:46,375 when you make a lot of money, you spend a lot of money. 214 00:11:46,459 --> 00:11:48,542 'Course, those airplanes cost money. 215 00:11:51,083 --> 00:11:54,500 ROBIN CRAFT: I know it was a shock, but maybe it wasn't inexplicable. 216 00:11:54,584 --> 00:11:57,876 People were asking themselves whether it was money, 217 00:11:57,959 --> 00:12:00,751 what he had gotten involved in, whether he was involved in 218 00:12:00,834 --> 00:12:03,250 some kind of large crime organization. 219 00:12:03,334 --> 00:12:06,792 Dixie Mafia was something that everybody knew about. 220 00:12:06,876 --> 00:12:09,459 NEWSCASTER: Murder, drug dealing, stolen cars, 221 00:12:09,542 --> 00:12:13,000 hijacking gasoline from cross-country pipelines. 222 00:12:13,083 --> 00:12:15,459 All of these are crimes that law enforcement officials 223 00:12:15,542 --> 00:12:18,626 have associated with the so-called "Dixie Mafia." 224 00:12:20,042 --> 00:12:24,751 ROBIN: I see this as a story of radical rebelliousness. 225 00:12:24,834 --> 00:12:30,042 Trying so hard to escape, not just a physical small town, 226 00:12:30,125 --> 00:12:32,500 but the small town of their mind. 227 00:12:32,584 --> 00:12:35,584 ♪ (BLEAK FOLK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 228 00:12:41,918 --> 00:12:43,375 TRAVIS: Around here, you know, 229 00:12:43,459 --> 00:12:45,709 we're right in the middle of the Bible Belt. 230 00:12:45,792 --> 00:12:48,500 Oh, conservative, seriously conservative. 231 00:12:49,626 --> 00:12:52,292 There's a few of us that escaped from Hazen, 232 00:12:52,375 --> 00:12:54,918 and there's a few that stayed there, and God love 'em, 233 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,042 they just-- You know, it's a wonderful world for them. 234 00:13:01,709 --> 00:13:04,918 RANDY WRIGHT: Arkansas was just-- I mean, it was rural America, 235 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,626 (INHALING) ...you know, pickups running down the gravel roads, 236 00:13:07,709 --> 00:13:10,626 and, you know, uh, cow tipping. 237 00:13:10,709 --> 00:13:12,167 BILL CLINTON: You know, it's gotten to where 238 00:13:12,250 --> 00:13:14,542 an individual farmer can't make a living on the land anymore. 239 00:13:14,626 --> 00:13:18,626 This country's lost 400,000 farms in the last eight years. 240 00:13:18,709 --> 00:13:20,709 NARRATOR: Bill Clinton for Arkansas. 241 00:13:24,125 --> 00:13:26,459 SALLY: Hazen never changes. 242 00:13:26,542 --> 00:13:30,042 Still today, they all have linear thoughts. 243 00:13:30,125 --> 00:13:34,334 You had a way that you were supposed to behave. 244 00:13:34,417 --> 00:13:38,959 And it wasn't a big town. I mean, a town of 1400. 245 00:13:39,042 --> 00:13:41,334 -(CROWD CHEERING) -SALLY: But when I met Gary, 246 00:13:41,417 --> 00:13:44,000 I knew it was my ticket out of Hazen. 247 00:13:45,584 --> 00:13:47,626 INTERVIEWER: Tell me the first time you met Gary. 248 00:13:47,709 --> 00:13:49,083 Something about the... 249 00:13:49,167 --> 00:13:52,292 Oh, wow that is... that... (CHUCKLES) 250 00:13:52,375 --> 00:13:54,500 ...that still, today, uh... 251 00:13:55,167 --> 00:13:56,667 It's just wild. 252 00:13:56,751 --> 00:14:01,792 -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(ROCKET FUEL IGNITING) 253 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:08,083 SALLY: My brother and his wife had a moon party. 254 00:14:08,751 --> 00:14:13,584 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 255 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:18,209 SALLY: It was the day that they were gonna 256 00:14:18,292 --> 00:14:21,167 land on the moon, and had the cameras up. 257 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:23,876 MISSION CONTROL: Houston, you are go for landing. Over. 258 00:14:23,959 --> 00:14:27,000 BUZZ ALDRIN: Roger. Understand. Go for landing, 3,000 feet. 259 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,876 MISSION CONTROL: You're looking great. 260 00:14:28,959 --> 00:14:30,459 (INDISTINCT NEWSCASTS IN MANDARIN) 261 00:14:30,542 --> 00:14:32,042 (INDISTINCT NEWSCASTS IN FRENCH) 262 00:14:32,125 --> 00:14:33,209 (INDISTINCT NEWSCASTS ON TV) 263 00:14:33,292 --> 00:14:34,667 -SALLY: Doorbell rings. -(DOORBELL RINGING) 264 00:14:34,751 --> 00:14:36,083 MISSION CONTROL: Sixty seconds. 265 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:38,417 Still looking very good. You're go. 266 00:14:40,542 --> 00:14:41,918 SALLY: I go to the front door... 267 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,459 MISSION CONTROL: Roger, 1201 alarm. 268 00:14:43,542 --> 00:14:45,626 -NEIL ARMSTRONG: 1201 alarm. -(INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 269 00:14:45,709 --> 00:14:48,500 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 270 00:14:48,584 --> 00:14:51,375 SALLY: ...and everything stopped. 271 00:14:51,459 --> 00:14:55,500 It was like... (INHALES, EXHALES) 272 00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:58,167 There was something in the force, you know? (LAUGHS) 273 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,500 It's just wild. It was a connection 274 00:15:02,584 --> 00:15:05,125 from another dimension as far as I know. 275 00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:09,334 And it was like this... 276 00:15:11,417 --> 00:15:13,834 Boom! In the universe, it just shook. 277 00:15:18,876 --> 00:15:22,209 ARMSTRONG: Houston-- Tranquility Base here, 278 00:15:22,292 --> 00:15:25,500 -the eagle has landed. -(CROWD CHEERING) 279 00:15:25,584 --> 00:15:27,209 MISSION CONTROL: Copy on the ground, 280 00:15:27,292 --> 00:15:29,459 you got a bunch of guys about to turn blue, 281 00:15:29,542 --> 00:15:31,667 we're breathing again, thanks a lot. 282 00:15:31,751 --> 00:15:34,834 SALLY: It just changed my life. I'm going, "Who in the world..." 283 00:15:34,918 --> 00:15:36,542 And when I looked in his eyes... 284 00:15:36,626 --> 00:15:39,667 MISSION CONTROL: Okay, Neil, we can see you coming down the ladder now. 285 00:15:39,751 --> 00:15:42,542 SALLY: But then there was just a little problem. 286 00:15:43,667 --> 00:15:45,959 Gary arrived with his wife... 287 00:15:47,042 --> 00:15:49,125 who was seven months pregnant. 288 00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:54,959 I was his first wife. 289 00:15:55,042 --> 00:15:56,918 And, uh, we were married 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,334 about three-- close to three years. 291 00:16:02,125 --> 00:16:05,125 He was a very much larger-than-life figure. 292 00:16:05,209 --> 00:16:07,792 I mean, he was very instantaneous 293 00:16:07,876 --> 00:16:11,125 and very dramatic, always very dramatic. 294 00:16:11,209 --> 00:16:14,876 His favorite thing was flying under bridges and... 295 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:18,459 trying to put the wheels on the water without crashing. 296 00:16:18,542 --> 00:16:20,417 One day, his personality would be very even, 297 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:24,751 the next day, he would, like, ground-loop an airplane. 298 00:16:26,626 --> 00:16:28,250 We were watching the moon landing, 299 00:16:29,584 --> 00:16:31,042 and I was very pregnant. 300 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:34,542 Little did I know that, you know, 301 00:16:34,626 --> 00:16:38,834 six months later... what would happen. 302 00:16:38,918 --> 00:16:41,167 SALLY: After his daughter was born, 303 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:43,667 Gary immediately divorced Claudia. 304 00:16:43,751 --> 00:16:46,876 And he was, you know, single. 305 00:16:46,959 --> 00:16:49,250 And, you know, still today, people will say 306 00:16:49,334 --> 00:16:51,959 that I dated him while he was married. (CHUCKLES) 307 00:16:52,042 --> 00:16:56,292 They just want to believe the worst of you. (LAUGHS) 308 00:16:56,375 --> 00:16:59,209 When I married him, it was a lifelong thing, 309 00:16:59,292 --> 00:17:02,751 “You're my soulmate, I trust you with my life.” 310 00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,042 And I did. 311 00:17:04,125 --> 00:17:08,167 ♪ (ENIGMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 312 00:17:12,167 --> 00:17:13,959 SALLY: But, yeah, Gary, 313 00:17:14,042 --> 00:17:16,667 I was really naïve when I met Gary. 314 00:17:19,292 --> 00:17:20,751 (SEAGULLS SQUAWKING) 315 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:24,834 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 316 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:33,876 POLLY BETZNER: I thought that this was really... 317 00:17:33,959 --> 00:17:36,250 I don't know, it was the only thing I had, you know? 318 00:17:37,375 --> 00:17:38,959 He just wanted to, like, give me something 319 00:17:39,042 --> 00:17:42,834 that... was like, from his travels, you know? 320 00:17:42,918 --> 00:17:46,500 Yes, so I'm Polly Betzner. I kept my dad's last name. 321 00:17:48,334 --> 00:17:50,500 Gary married my mom, Claudia. 322 00:17:59,042 --> 00:18:02,292 CLAUDIA: And there's bringing you home from the hospital. 323 00:18:02,375 --> 00:18:05,083 POLLY: He was like a hero to me as a little kid, 324 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:07,667 because he was Disneyland Dad, you know? 325 00:18:07,751 --> 00:18:10,417 He was, “Let me take you to the really beautiful home 326 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:12,834 we have in Hazen, Arkansas, and get in the pool.” 327 00:18:12,918 --> 00:18:15,250 And when he would come around, he'd bring presents. 328 00:18:15,334 --> 00:18:19,209 He was my dad. But I didn't get to see him that much, 329 00:18:19,292 --> 00:18:22,375 'cause my mom lived in Memphis and he was in Arkansas. 330 00:18:22,459 --> 00:18:25,918 But when it happened, when the whole thing happened, 331 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,167 I mean, I was six. 332 00:18:28,918 --> 00:18:30,125 It was my birthday. 333 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,417 I remember our pastor came in, he had, like, a suit on. 334 00:18:37,751 --> 00:18:40,792 “Mom, why does he have a suit on? Today's not Sunday, 335 00:18:40,876 --> 00:18:43,584 "and it's not a funeral, it's not a wedding." 336 00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:46,292 I was like, "Is he dressed up 'cause it's my birthday?" 337 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:48,000 And... 338 00:18:48,792 --> 00:18:50,667 I'm sorry. (CHUCKLES) So... 339 00:18:51,626 --> 00:18:52,792 (EXHALES) 340 00:18:53,417 --> 00:18:55,000 (LIPS SMACKING) So... 341 00:18:56,918 --> 00:18:58,667 (LIPS SMACKING) I sat on the sofa... 342 00:18:58,751 --> 00:19:01,542 (BREATHES SHAKILY) ...and... 343 00:19:01,626 --> 00:19:03,709 he sat down, he had, like, a Bible in his hand, 344 00:19:03,792 --> 00:19:05,626 'cause he was a good old Baptist pastor, 345 00:19:06,167 --> 00:19:07,417 and he was like... 346 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:10,667 “Sweetheart, I have to tell you something about your dad.” 347 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,626 I was like, “Okay, what? 348 00:19:14,709 --> 00:19:18,000 Did my dad send me a present, like, for my birthday?” 349 00:19:18,083 --> 00:19:21,250 He was like, “Well, he jumped off a bridge, 350 00:19:21,334 --> 00:19:22,459 and he drowned.” 351 00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:26,751 And, I was like... 352 00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:30,125 “Well, why?” 353 00:19:39,584 --> 00:19:42,792 I get this hysterical call from Sally, 354 00:19:42,876 --> 00:19:46,083 that, "Gary's jumped off a bridge, he's killed himself." 355 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,876 I just hit the floor, I could not believe it. 356 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,125 I don't know, I never understood what... 357 00:19:54,209 --> 00:19:55,709 Why he jumped off the bridge. 358 00:19:56,792 --> 00:19:59,250 I have my own ideas about it, 359 00:19:59,334 --> 00:20:02,083 but how accurate that is, I don't know. 360 00:20:03,667 --> 00:20:07,918 SALLY: We had a lot of tragedy in a short period of time. 361 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,125 The Wednesday before Thanksgiving, 362 00:20:11,209 --> 00:20:15,584 Gary's mother died in a freak automobile accident. 363 00:20:21,542 --> 00:20:24,417 Fred was Gary's youngest brother. 364 00:20:25,834 --> 00:20:29,709 He dove off a bridge and became a quadriplegic. 365 00:20:31,042 --> 00:20:32,918 He didn't live much longer. 366 00:20:33,876 --> 00:20:37,417 My dad died in June. 367 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,959 And then my brother had his plane crash... 368 00:20:41,042 --> 00:20:42,584 on November the 4th. 369 00:20:44,167 --> 00:20:48,459 So, we had four major events in our lives 370 00:20:48,542 --> 00:20:49,792 within that short period. 371 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:54,709 LARRY: There was a lot of tragedy that happened along that time. 372 00:20:54,792 --> 00:20:57,459 So, you know, the glue of the family disappeared. 373 00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:01,500 I know it was really hard for him. 374 00:21:01,584 --> 00:21:04,000 But you know, he and I weren't very emotionally connected 375 00:21:04,083 --> 00:21:07,125 at that time with each other. 376 00:21:07,209 --> 00:21:09,500 I don't know where it put him. I know where it put me, 377 00:21:09,584 --> 00:21:11,167 but I don't know where it put him. 378 00:21:12,959 --> 00:21:14,500 (VINTAGE CAMERA ROLLING) 379 00:21:16,876 --> 00:21:18,792 LARRY: You know, I think all of this started back 380 00:21:18,876 --> 00:21:20,876 with our real father. 381 00:21:20,959 --> 00:21:25,209 He was a very jealous and a very angry man. 382 00:21:25,292 --> 00:21:28,459 SALLY: His dad was beating his mother on Christmas day. 383 00:21:30,375 --> 00:21:33,250 He was real mean to Gary. He would beat him. 384 00:21:33,334 --> 00:21:37,542 They'd given Gary a bat for Christmas, and Gary took it, 385 00:21:37,626 --> 00:21:40,876 and whaled him on it, and the guy turned on him, 386 00:21:40,959 --> 00:21:43,792 and Gary ran under and hid under the porch. 387 00:21:43,876 --> 00:21:46,626 All day long on Christmas day. 388 00:21:46,709 --> 00:21:50,083 He hid under the house. Tack, our father, 389 00:21:50,167 --> 00:21:53,083 kept asking him to come out, asking him to come out. 390 00:21:53,167 --> 00:21:54,375 He wouldn't do it. 391 00:21:54,459 --> 00:21:55,918 After many hours, he got hungry, 392 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,167 and he brought him some food, said, “You come out, 393 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:00,083 "I won't do anything to you." 394 00:22:00,167 --> 00:22:02,167 So he came out, and Tack got him, 395 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:05,626 and grabbed him, and just beat the daylights out of him. 396 00:22:07,751 --> 00:22:09,751 I think that incident had a lot to do with Gary, 397 00:22:09,834 --> 00:22:12,834 he became really... (INHALES) ...kind of defiant. 398 00:22:12,918 --> 00:22:17,292 ♪ (SINISTER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 399 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:27,083 And things changed when I appeared. 400 00:22:27,167 --> 00:22:28,500 Man, that's for sure, you know? 401 00:22:33,667 --> 00:22:35,292 I was born Travis Wayne Betzner. 402 00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:37,709 When he died, I changed it to Travis Leander Matthews, 403 00:22:37,792 --> 00:22:39,542 'cause I never liked the name “Wayne” 404 00:22:39,626 --> 00:22:40,959 and I never liked “Betzner.” 405 00:22:43,125 --> 00:22:47,083 Well, my parents conceived me in a hangar, they said. 406 00:22:47,167 --> 00:22:50,542 And that place used to scare the shit out of me when I was kid. Like... 407 00:22:50,626 --> 00:22:52,542 these things are big old airplanes. 408 00:22:52,626 --> 00:22:54,209 (ENGINE REVVING) 409 00:22:54,292 --> 00:22:57,042 (IMITATES PLANE ENGINE) 410 00:22:58,250 --> 00:23:00,626 You know, fuck that, you know? And it freaked me out 411 00:23:00,709 --> 00:23:01,751 for a long time. 412 00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,834 So, he died. My mom said he was dead. 413 00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,292 Didn't-- Couldn't ever find his body. 414 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:10,584 (ENGINE REVVING) 415 00:23:10,667 --> 00:23:13,167 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO) 416 00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:17,209 MIKE: I've been dragging that river for ten, 12 years, 417 00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,584 and I've never failed to get one out yet. 418 00:23:21,792 --> 00:23:23,334 TRAVIS: They couldn't find his body. 419 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:25,792 It fucked us up. 420 00:23:25,876 --> 00:23:27,959 Everyone was like “Go to sleep"" and I wouldn't sleep, 421 00:23:28,042 --> 00:23:30,334 I was like, reading H.P. Lovecraft and shit. 422 00:23:33,584 --> 00:23:35,167 I would always be making up stories... 423 00:23:35,959 --> 00:23:37,584 like the Giplycutes and... 424 00:23:37,667 --> 00:23:40,334 weird creatures, like Gollywomps and shit. 425 00:23:40,417 --> 00:23:43,250 There's my dad. (CHUCKLES, IMITATES MONSTER) 426 00:23:43,334 --> 00:23:45,417 My dad's the White River monster. 427 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,250 The White River? That's where dad jumped in, 428 00:23:47,334 --> 00:23:50,500 the White River. And they get big over 30 years. 429 00:23:50,584 --> 00:23:52,709 They're like, you know, eventually, they get so big, 430 00:23:52,792 --> 00:23:55,083 it has to live under the bridge there. 431 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,876 Which creeped me out, it was a place that creeped me out. 432 00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:04,209 I like monsters, Like, I was a monster kid, man. 433 00:24:05,876 --> 00:24:08,250 I remember I saw Godzilla for the first time. 434 00:24:08,584 --> 00:24:10,209 (ROARS) 435 00:24:10,292 --> 00:24:13,125 TRAVIS: And he's smashing the town. He was just awesome, you know? 436 00:24:13,209 --> 00:24:14,626 (CHUCKLES) I just loved it. Godzilla! 437 00:24:14,709 --> 00:24:17,083 -(GROWLS) -TRAVIS: You know, it was like-- That was it. 438 00:24:17,167 --> 00:24:18,334 (GROWLS) 439 00:24:18,417 --> 00:24:21,083 My dad promised me he would get me this Godzilla. 440 00:24:21,167 --> 00:24:23,959 It was a specific Godzilla I'm talking about, in the ‘70s. 441 00:24:24,042 --> 00:24:25,876 KID: Look, it's Godzilla! 442 00:24:25,959 --> 00:24:27,209 NARRATOR: Is he friend or foe? 443 00:24:27,292 --> 00:24:29,083 -You know, it was a weird head. -PASSENGER: Yeah. 444 00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:30,876 It was like this big, with wheels on the feet. 445 00:24:30,959 --> 00:24:32,417 Yeah, that's all I wanted, man. 446 00:24:33,667 --> 00:24:35,542 PASSENGER: But it didn't work out that way. 447 00:24:37,918 --> 00:24:40,751 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 448 00:24:42,584 --> 00:24:44,667 I can remember the last time I saw him 449 00:24:44,751 --> 00:24:46,709 before he killed himself. I was five. 450 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,792 My mom woke me up at, like, 3:00 in the morning 451 00:24:50,876 --> 00:24:52,792 and had, like, little pink curlers in her hair, 452 00:24:52,876 --> 00:24:54,417 and had, like, the pink nightgown on. 453 00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:58,125 We drove to the airport, 454 00:24:58,209 --> 00:25:00,667 and he pulled up in a jet airplane. 455 00:25:03,459 --> 00:25:06,584 He was different. Like, very strange. 456 00:25:06,667 --> 00:25:09,209 That's not my dad. I could see from the car, 457 00:25:09,292 --> 00:25:12,876 like, he had a watch, like, a long fur coat, 458 00:25:12,959 --> 00:25:16,918 like, a big Afro curly thing from the '70s. 459 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,626 I just like, waved at him like, “Hi, Dad!” Like, my mom said, 460 00:25:20,709 --> 00:25:22,042 "Don't you get out of the car." 461 00:25:23,125 --> 00:25:26,542 There was a looming, weird feeling. 462 00:25:26,626 --> 00:25:29,959 And he gave my mom a check, she got in the car, 463 00:25:30,042 --> 00:25:31,542 I think it was 3500 dollars. 464 00:25:31,626 --> 00:25:33,417 She was like, "We should be fine for a while." 465 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,375 That was the last time I saw him. 466 00:25:40,042 --> 00:25:42,709 After that, there was, like, crickets. 467 00:25:45,042 --> 00:25:49,834 People had, like, theories always revolving around drugs. 468 00:25:49,918 --> 00:25:53,375 Like, at church or something, I could see people whisper, you know, like, 469 00:25:53,459 --> 00:25:56,918 "We heard he was wanted, and so he jumped 'cause of drugs." 470 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,042 You know? 471 00:26:02,918 --> 00:26:07,334 No will, no funeral, no anything. 472 00:26:08,042 --> 00:26:09,209 That was it. 473 00:26:09,876 --> 00:26:10,959 That was it. 474 00:26:12,042 --> 00:26:13,417 Isn't that weird? 475 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,834 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 476 00:26:21,125 --> 00:26:23,250 (FINGER SNAPPING) 477 00:26:23,334 --> 00:26:25,417 CRAIG: We're here at the White River Bridge, 478 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,042 July 2nd, 2009. 479 00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:29,918 Tryin' to do a little location scouting 480 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,250 for the documentary. 481 00:26:31,334 --> 00:26:34,125 -♪ (BROODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(BIRDS CHIRPING) 482 00:26:39,751 --> 00:26:41,167 All of this stuff pertains to Gary, 483 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:45,792 all these files, all these boxes and boxes of stuff, I mean, 484 00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:47,751 years and years and years. 485 00:26:48,542 --> 00:26:49,751 Why did he do it? 486 00:26:50,918 --> 00:26:52,792 I come back and kept asking questions. 487 00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:55,667 One person would say one thing, and one person then would say another thing. 488 00:26:56,709 --> 00:26:58,125 There's a lot of truth in fiction. 489 00:26:58,209 --> 00:27:00,250 I learned that, most certainly. 490 00:27:00,334 --> 00:27:02,459 But there's a lot of fiction in truth. 491 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:06,834 All the footage, all the archives. 492 00:27:06,918 --> 00:27:10,292 Right over there, a little-- My life savings is in a box right over there, 493 00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:12,042 about this big, a hard drive. 494 00:27:12,626 --> 00:27:15,167 PHIL LOTT: 495 00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:17,584 Is the truth on there? Fuck, I don't know. 496 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:19,167 (TAPE REWINDING) 497 00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:21,751 INTERVIEWER: So let's start with the beginning stuff. 498 00:27:21,834 --> 00:27:25,250 So, how'd you first learn the story? 499 00:27:25,334 --> 00:27:27,792 I first learned of the story when I was... 500 00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:30,667 Let me-- let me start that over. (INHALES) 501 00:27:30,751 --> 00:27:34,417 I first learned of the story when I was about 14. 502 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,709 SALLY: I can't tell if it's working. 503 00:27:36,792 --> 00:27:38,667 CRAIG: This kid named Travis Matthews 504 00:27:38,751 --> 00:27:40,459 transferred into the school. 505 00:27:40,542 --> 00:27:42,751 SALLY: (CHUCKLES) Give me a smile. 506 00:27:44,083 --> 00:27:46,584 Is that... Oh! (CHUCKLES) 507 00:27:46,667 --> 00:27:49,042 TRAVIS: I was in that stage, like, right after puberty. 508 00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:51,250 I didn't know how to comb, I didn't know how to dress, 509 00:27:51,334 --> 00:27:53,959 -I didn't know, I didn't know anything about that. -SALLY: Oh, no. 510 00:27:54,042 --> 00:27:56,000 We'd go over to this place where the bad kids would go 511 00:27:56,083 --> 00:27:58,876 before school. It was an alley called the Smoke Hole... 512 00:27:58,959 --> 00:28:00,709 and we'd smoke cigarettes over there. 513 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:04,000 CRAIG: He was holding court, and he was telling stories 514 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:05,709 that were better than mine. 515 00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:09,334 So, I was-- My audience was being drained by this kid. 516 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,209 TRAVIS: I was a motormouth, storyteller. You know? 517 00:28:13,292 --> 00:28:15,876 I was like, I was a kid who wouldn't shut up. 518 00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:19,375 He was telling everybody his dad was a CIA agent, 519 00:28:19,459 --> 00:28:21,125 a secret agent. 520 00:28:21,209 --> 00:28:23,667 And none of our dads were secret agents. 521 00:28:23,751 --> 00:28:26,709 So he topped us on that one by a mile. 522 00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:29,542 I thought he was lying, and so I said no way this-- 523 00:28:29,626 --> 00:28:32,792 these are true stories. And so I decided 524 00:28:32,876 --> 00:28:34,250 to dispel the notion. 525 00:28:34,334 --> 00:28:36,250 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 526 00:28:36,334 --> 00:28:38,959 CRAIG: And I walked up to his house... 527 00:28:39,042 --> 00:28:41,959 -(KNOCKING AT DOOR) -...and knocked on the door, and his mom answered. 528 00:28:42,042 --> 00:28:43,584 (DOOR OPENING) 529 00:28:43,667 --> 00:28:44,792 And I said, “Is it true?” 530 00:28:44,876 --> 00:28:46,459 Craig comes running in, he's going, 531 00:28:46,542 --> 00:28:48,792 "Is it true? Is it true?" 532 00:28:48,876 --> 00:28:51,209 CRAIG: And she smiled and said, "Come on in." 533 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,125 She was like, "No, he's not alive. 534 00:28:57,209 --> 00:29:00,000 There's some stories that he did do a lot of things, 535 00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:02,209 but no, he's dead." 536 00:29:02,292 --> 00:29:04,500 So she was trying to minimize the story. 537 00:29:04,584 --> 00:29:06,500 SALLY: I mean, I have a hard time believing... 538 00:29:06,584 --> 00:29:08,500 (CHUCKLES) ...what I've gone through. 539 00:29:08,584 --> 00:29:13,626 But apparently, Travis must have... (CHUCKLES) ...said a few things. 540 00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:16,167 The White River? That's where my dad jumped in, the White River. 541 00:29:17,751 --> 00:29:20,417 The car had broken down, the hood was up. 542 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,083 I was in a trance, pretty much, during all that time. 543 00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:27,709 CLAUDIA: He was very instantaneous and very dramatic. 544 00:29:27,792 --> 00:29:29,000 POLLY: No will... 545 00:29:29,083 --> 00:29:32,000 MIKE: I've been dragging that river for ten, 12 years. 546 00:29:32,083 --> 00:29:33,083 POLLY: ...no funeral... 547 00:29:33,167 --> 00:29:35,459 And I've never failed to get one out yet. 548 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:36,626 ...no anything. 549 00:29:36,709 --> 00:29:37,876 Couldn't ever find his body. 550 00:29:39,417 --> 00:29:44,125 I didn't think they talked about... our double life. 551 00:29:44,209 --> 00:29:48,125 -(TAPE REWINDING) -♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFYING) ♪ 552 00:29:48,209 --> 00:29:50,209 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 553 00:29:50,292 --> 00:29:52,626 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 554 00:30:07,918 --> 00:30:09,792 PHIL: 555 00:30:11,959 --> 00:30:14,083 I've been trying to answer that question for 556 00:30:14,167 --> 00:30:17,667 -almost 80 years. (LAUGHS) -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 557 00:30:17,751 --> 00:30:20,584 (LAUGHS) Who am I? Well... (EXHALES) 558 00:30:20,667 --> 00:30:24,209 Basically, I'm just a farm boy from Arkansas, really. 559 00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:27,751 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 560 00:30:29,459 --> 00:30:31,918 There's a story here that is much deeper 561 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,626 than it presents itself on the surface. 562 00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:41,292 GARY BETZNER: The past... 563 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,250 you can't do anything about it. 564 00:30:45,209 --> 00:30:46,876 The only thing you can do about it is, 565 00:30:46,959 --> 00:30:50,542 you can plan for the future, and you can live in the moment. 566 00:30:52,542 --> 00:30:55,250 But I think the past makes a good reference point... 567 00:30:57,751 --> 00:30:59,959 not a good hitching point. 568 00:31:00,042 --> 00:31:02,834 I think in some cases, it's okay to tell a lie, 569 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,334 and even necessary. 570 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,792 The truth is... I didn't jump. 571 00:31:12,876 --> 00:31:14,876 I didn't even think about jumping. 572 00:31:14,959 --> 00:31:16,876 That's how the story was told. 573 00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:19,918 But that never happened. 574 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,167 (MECHANICAL FLICKERING) 575 00:31:22,751 --> 00:31:23,792 How's that? 576 00:31:23,876 --> 00:31:26,375 The stories were told through... Sally told one, 577 00:31:26,459 --> 00:31:28,584 Sara Lee told one, then Travis told a different one. 578 00:31:28,667 --> 00:31:29,959 It was raining, and a thunderstorm... 579 00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:31,959 Gave millions and millions and millions of dollars. 580 00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:33,751 CRAIG: Dude, does this plane look airworthy? 581 00:31:33,834 --> 00:31:35,125 GARY: No, it doesn't. 582 00:31:35,209 --> 00:31:38,417 (OVERLAPPING INDISTINCT CHATTER) 583 00:31:39,542 --> 00:31:41,584 GARY: That's the house I lived in, before I... 584 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:43,292 committed suicide here in Hazen. 585 00:31:43,375 --> 00:31:45,125 CRAIG: What's the documentary about? 586 00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:48,209 GARY: That's a real good question, Craig. 587 00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:51,083 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 588 00:31:53,542 --> 00:31:56,709 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 589 00:31:56,792 --> 00:31:59,000 ♪ (JITTERY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 590 00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:00,751 GARY: I've always loved to fly... 591 00:32:02,751 --> 00:32:06,000 and crop dusting was the only aviation place 592 00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:07,959 where you could still do anything you wanted. 593 00:32:09,918 --> 00:32:12,626 (ENGINES REVVING) 594 00:32:12,709 --> 00:32:15,459 GARY: You know, aerobatics, or fly upside-down, 595 00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:17,792 and, you know, anything you wanted to do. (CHUCKLING) 596 00:32:20,584 --> 00:32:22,459 It's like you become one with the airplane, 597 00:32:22,542 --> 00:32:24,626 like a violinist becomes a virtuoso, 598 00:32:24,709 --> 00:32:28,292 because he can play the violin, and do all this incredible stuff 599 00:32:28,375 --> 00:32:30,667 while he's figuring out his taxes. (CHUCKLES) 600 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,834 It becomes second nature to you, you know? 601 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:42,375 Flying is like anything, it's practice. 602 00:32:42,459 --> 00:32:44,292 The more you do it, the better you become. 603 00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:49,792 Knowing you're gonna die someday... 604 00:32:51,334 --> 00:32:53,167 flying takes on a completely different... 605 00:32:54,292 --> 00:32:55,626 experience. 606 00:32:56,667 --> 00:32:58,709 Because this body's gonna die, 607 00:32:59,626 --> 00:33:00,918 but who you really are... 608 00:33:04,667 --> 00:33:06,167 can never die. 609 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:08,709 ♪ (WISTFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 610 00:33:09,876 --> 00:33:11,500 Yeah, I was raised up with values 611 00:33:11,584 --> 00:33:13,459 that all Americans have, you know, 612 00:33:13,542 --> 00:33:15,667 about fairness and integrity. 613 00:33:15,751 --> 00:33:18,417 But the biggest influence on me as far as my character 614 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,167 was probably my stepdad. 615 00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:24,500 He really impressed on me about how important your word was. 616 00:33:24,584 --> 00:33:27,125 That's also included being honest with yourself. 617 00:33:27,209 --> 00:33:29,334 And so when you start being really honest with yourself, 618 00:33:29,417 --> 00:33:31,292 that's when you can really get in trouble, 619 00:33:31,375 --> 00:33:34,125 because sometimes that doesn't go along with... 620 00:33:34,209 --> 00:33:36,709 society, might-- Or the law. 621 00:33:36,792 --> 00:33:38,751 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 622 00:33:38,834 --> 00:33:41,000 INTERVIEWER: 623 00:33:41,083 --> 00:33:43,500 GARY: He and Mother separated when I was about six. 624 00:33:44,834 --> 00:33:46,959 I kinda got screwed up about the name deal, you know? 625 00:33:47,042 --> 00:33:49,292 I didn't know what name I was supposed to use. 626 00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,000 My real father's name was Tackett, T-A-C-K-E-T-T. 627 00:33:52,083 --> 00:33:55,167 And I didn't want to use Tackett because I didn't feel like I was a Tackett. 628 00:33:59,584 --> 00:34:02,375 Betzner was my stepfather's name. 629 00:34:02,459 --> 00:34:03,834 And our parents gave us a choice 630 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:05,918 when we were 18 to go one way or the other. 631 00:34:06,709 --> 00:34:08,209 So, I changed my name. 632 00:34:09,167 --> 00:34:11,000 I started Betzner Flying Service. 633 00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:16,042 When I met Sally, we started a whole new life. 634 00:34:18,417 --> 00:34:20,334 We got married. 635 00:34:20,417 --> 00:34:22,667 All I wanted to do is build my business up enough 636 00:34:22,751 --> 00:34:24,959 where I could sell it and get the hell out of Hazen. 637 00:34:25,959 --> 00:34:27,375 Sally had two kids right away... 638 00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:33,542 so I had to build a house... 639 00:34:36,083 --> 00:34:38,500 and live there for years and years. 640 00:34:39,334 --> 00:34:40,709 I was in love with Sally, and... 641 00:34:43,417 --> 00:34:45,584 and we had a real good marriage, and we were happy, 642 00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:48,584 and looking forward to the future and all that kinda stuff, and... 643 00:34:50,042 --> 00:34:51,459 It was a good life. 644 00:34:54,709 --> 00:34:56,542 So, I always wanted to be a crop duster. 645 00:34:57,417 --> 00:34:59,000 (CLEARS THROAT) 646 00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:01,959 And that's really hard, dangerous work. I mean, hard, 647 00:35:02,042 --> 00:35:04,751 dangerous, hot... (EXHALES) ...rough work. 648 00:35:04,834 --> 00:35:07,667 And, uh... did it 15 years. 649 00:35:07,751 --> 00:35:10,709 I really, I grew real tired of it after a while. 650 00:35:10,792 --> 00:35:12,375 (PLANE ENGINE ROARING) 651 00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:20,834 NARRATOR: Alaska's vast undeveloped regions are a storehouse of natural wealth. 652 00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:22,292 ♪ (AUSTERE FOLK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 653 00:35:22,375 --> 00:35:23,751 GARY: I'd heard there was good money 654 00:35:23,834 --> 00:35:26,167 to be made up in Alaska up on the pipeline. 655 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:28,959 I sold my crop-dusting business. 656 00:35:29,042 --> 00:35:32,417 And I took about a half a million bucks and moved up to Alaska. 657 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,876 VINTAGE FILM NARRATOR: Beautiful, rugged country that is sometimes called 658 00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,542 “America's last frontier.” 659 00:35:38,626 --> 00:35:41,209 Instead of making a hundred thousand, I could go make millions, 660 00:35:41,292 --> 00:35:43,751 and I saw the pipeline as my opportunity. 661 00:35:43,834 --> 00:35:45,626 VINTAGE FILM NARRATOR: And along the coastline, 662 00:35:45,709 --> 00:35:48,876 there are untapped deposits of oil. 663 00:35:48,959 --> 00:35:52,918 And I went to Alaska to bid on a pipeline reclamation. 664 00:35:54,459 --> 00:35:58,542 It was 800 miles that had to be reclaimed and put back in shape. 665 00:35:58,626 --> 00:36:00,626 I spent all my money preparing for it... 666 00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:02,209 (HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING) 667 00:36:02,292 --> 00:36:05,792 ...and then another company came along and contested my bid. 668 00:36:06,334 --> 00:36:08,042 And I lost it. 669 00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:11,167 Alaska was the last of the Wild West. You know? 670 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:13,584 What it is, you don't pay off the right people, 671 00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:16,918 then you don't get the contract. And I didn't know that. 672 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,959 (ENGINE REVVING) 673 00:36:19,042 --> 00:36:20,751 GARY: Well, we have two airplanes at least. 674 00:36:22,292 --> 00:36:23,626 Might as well put them to work. 675 00:36:28,083 --> 00:36:30,209 So, I went and started flying bush up there, 676 00:36:30,292 --> 00:36:31,959 and that was okay. 677 00:36:32,042 --> 00:36:34,667 When we got to Anchorage, 678 00:36:34,751 --> 00:36:36,626 and we're livin' there for a while... 679 00:36:36,709 --> 00:36:39,417 (INHALES) ...Gary started smoking pot. 680 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,584 BROADCASTER: Even in public, many adults smoke pot with impunity, 681 00:36:42,667 --> 00:36:45,918 since in Alaska, it's now nothing more than a minor offense 682 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,709 to be caught with up to 30 grams of the drug. 683 00:36:49,792 --> 00:36:52,542 SALLY: In the ‘70s, pot was legal in Alaska 684 00:36:52,626 --> 00:36:55,125 until Reagan's War on Drugs. 685 00:36:55,209 --> 00:36:57,918 (CROWD CHEERING) 686 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,876 Marijuana could very well be 687 00:36:59,959 --> 00:37:02,667 one of the most dangerous threats to an entire generation 688 00:37:02,751 --> 00:37:05,334 of Americans of any drug that we know. 689 00:37:05,417 --> 00:37:07,876 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 690 00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:10,626 GARY: While I was in Alaska, I realized that I just 691 00:37:10,709 --> 00:37:12,500 didn't feel that anyone had the right 692 00:37:12,584 --> 00:37:15,584 to interfere with anybody's right to self-determination. 693 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:18,751 If I want to eat salt or sugar, even though they're bad for me, 694 00:37:18,834 --> 00:37:20,918 or do this or that, no one should say, 695 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,167 "You can't do that." 696 00:37:24,167 --> 00:37:28,417 Oh, anti-drug, totally. I was straight as an arrow, 697 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,459 thought all drugs were evil. 698 00:37:30,542 --> 00:37:33,500 I mean, I grew up with, you know, 699 00:37:34,375 --> 00:37:37,083 Beatles being bad. (LAUGHS) 700 00:37:38,417 --> 00:37:39,834 You know, they have long hair. 701 00:37:39,918 --> 00:37:41,334 ♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 702 00:37:41,417 --> 00:37:43,459 GARY: In Alaska at that time, in all the bars, 703 00:37:43,542 --> 00:37:45,542 everybody smoked weed, everybody. 704 00:37:46,876 --> 00:37:48,125 It was everywhere. 705 00:37:48,209 --> 00:37:50,375 BROADCASTER: And it's all perfectly legal. 706 00:37:50,459 --> 00:37:53,918 He looked at me and said, “You've got to try marijuana.” 707 00:37:55,292 --> 00:37:57,584 He starts rolling joints. 708 00:37:57,667 --> 00:38:00,125 So we're sitting, talking, and we're smoking this, 709 00:38:00,209 --> 00:38:03,959 and my arm would go up and I'd put it down, 710 00:38:04,042 --> 00:38:06,250 and it'd go up, and put it down. 711 00:38:06,334 --> 00:38:10,542 Finally, I started laughing and I finally caught on what a high... (LAUGHS) 712 00:38:10,626 --> 00:38:13,125 ...was all about. (LAUGHS) 713 00:38:13,209 --> 00:38:17,626 I was so mad at the government for lying to me... 714 00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:20,042 for truly lying, because that's the reason 715 00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:22,500 I was so anti-drug, because the bullshit 716 00:38:22,584 --> 00:38:25,375 that they had fed, and feeding everybody, 717 00:38:25,459 --> 00:38:27,751 on how dangerous marijuana was. 718 00:38:27,834 --> 00:38:31,083 Well, then I went from, “Well, if they're lying to me about this, 719 00:38:31,167 --> 00:38:33,417 what else are they lying to me about?” 720 00:38:35,542 --> 00:38:37,751 GARY: I guess this is where my first 721 00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:39,626 smuggling event took place. 722 00:38:40,459 --> 00:38:41,542 I was doing pretty good, 723 00:38:41,626 --> 00:38:43,375 but I just needed to make a little extra cash. 724 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:46,167 They started hauling whiskey. 725 00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:49,751 I sold it to the guys that were working on the pipeline. 726 00:38:49,834 --> 00:38:53,375 And from that, evolved into smuggling weed. 727 00:38:53,459 --> 00:38:55,500 I knew people in all the villages around, 728 00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,584 and so I had a pretty good thing going. 729 00:38:57,667 --> 00:38:59,918 A pound here, a pound there, you know, I'd make 730 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,125 a little money doing that. 731 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:05,292 As time went on, things went kind of awry. 732 00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:10,167 My enterprise faltered, because I lost my connection 733 00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:12,000 who was bringing it to me. 734 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:14,667 Pretty soon, you don't have as much money coming in, and... 735 00:39:14,751 --> 00:39:15,959 (WIND HOWLING) 736 00:39:16,042 --> 00:39:18,792 ...in that kind of weather, in ice, six months a year, 737 00:39:18,876 --> 00:39:20,083 you couldn't fly. 738 00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:22,959 So, I didn't have any business anymore. 739 00:39:24,959 --> 00:39:28,083 SALLY: We had no money for another hotel room. 740 00:39:28,167 --> 00:39:29,500 We had spent everything. 741 00:39:31,083 --> 00:39:33,209 We moved back to Arkansas. 742 00:39:33,292 --> 00:39:36,667 (WIND RUSHING) 743 00:39:36,751 --> 00:39:39,375 SALLY: We were living in my mom's house, 744 00:39:39,459 --> 00:39:40,709 the one I grew up in. 745 00:39:42,959 --> 00:39:44,792 GARY: I really didn't mind moving back to Hazen, 746 00:39:44,876 --> 00:39:47,918 but in my heart and soul, I had bigger plans. 747 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,542 But then I noticed my toes hurt. 748 00:39:55,334 --> 00:39:57,250 Not all the time, but frequently. 749 00:39:58,876 --> 00:40:00,042 First it started in my right toe, 750 00:40:00,125 --> 00:40:02,792 then it was my left. I had gout real bad. 751 00:40:02,876 --> 00:40:05,375 I knew what I had, because my dad had it. 752 00:40:05,459 --> 00:40:08,751 In other words, the body's chemistry is out of balance. 753 00:40:08,834 --> 00:40:12,000 There's too much of one chemical, uric acid. 754 00:40:13,834 --> 00:40:17,667 GARY: I went back to flying, and the aircraft's vibrating, 755 00:40:17,751 --> 00:40:19,667 and I can't push the goddamn pedals. 756 00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:22,959 And it got progressively worse. 757 00:40:23,042 --> 00:40:26,083 It was so bad that I had to cut the toes out of my shoes. 758 00:40:26,167 --> 00:40:28,459 If you ever had the gout, you know what I'm talking about. 759 00:40:28,542 --> 00:40:31,167 It's very, very, very, very, very painful. 760 00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:34,167 There's gotta be a cure. Somebody must have found something. 761 00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:37,042 And, uh, the best cure in the world for it is cocaine. 762 00:40:37,125 --> 00:40:40,292 ♪ (UPBEAT FUNK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 763 00:40:42,209 --> 00:40:44,125 GARY: I heard about this judge in Colorado 764 00:40:44,209 --> 00:40:47,000 who healed his gout by doing cocaine... 765 00:40:47,083 --> 00:40:49,083 and so I called him up, and he told me 766 00:40:49,167 --> 00:40:52,834 about this book called The Divine Plant of the Incas, 767 00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:54,459 and it healed every known disease 768 00:40:54,542 --> 00:40:55,918 that was known then. 769 00:40:56,542 --> 00:40:57,751 Somehow they found out 770 00:40:57,834 --> 00:41:01,542 that cocaine removes uric and lactic acids from the body. 771 00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:05,000 It alkalizes the blood, allows the blood to carry more oxygen. 772 00:41:05,083 --> 00:41:08,125 Drink a little Gatorade with some cocaine in it, 773 00:41:09,167 --> 00:41:10,417 and you're on your way. 774 00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:17,042 GARY: That's how I wound up in Miami looking for it. 775 00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:21,542 ♪ (EASYGOING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 776 00:41:21,626 --> 00:41:23,792 GARY: It is a medicine that will heal gout, 777 00:41:23,876 --> 00:41:25,959 and it did that for me. 778 00:41:26,042 --> 00:41:28,167 But the real reason I went to Miami 779 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:30,834 was to get cocaine for recreational use. 780 00:41:32,792 --> 00:41:34,626 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 781 00:41:36,584 --> 00:41:37,834 GARY: I thought I would find somebody 782 00:41:37,918 --> 00:41:39,000 that I could buy the cocaine from. 783 00:41:39,083 --> 00:41:40,417 (CHUCKLING) You know what I mean? 784 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,250 And, um... I did. 785 00:41:43,751 --> 00:41:46,000 Just went to the guy's house, and... 786 00:41:47,292 --> 00:41:49,626 and he had the coke there and... 787 00:41:49,709 --> 00:41:53,417 we were all sitting around kind of a counter. 788 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:57,167 The owner of the house was kinda standing at the center. 789 00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,459 I said, "Why don't you test it and see what it's like?" 790 00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:01,876 And he wouldn't do it. 791 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,375 I kinda looked at the guy, I said, 792 00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:07,459 "What the hell?" You know? 793 00:42:07,542 --> 00:42:10,918 I immediately got a sense that something was wrong, you know? 794 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,542 Something was just wrong. 795 00:42:12,626 --> 00:42:15,042 These other two guys, they knew something was wrong too. And... 796 00:42:15,751 --> 00:42:17,209 next thing you know, 797 00:42:17,292 --> 00:42:19,834 the DEA came through the windows and the doors. 798 00:42:19,918 --> 00:42:22,250 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 799 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,209 (SIREN WAILING) 800 00:42:28,042 --> 00:42:29,334 GARY: Everybody's under arrest. 801 00:42:29,417 --> 00:42:30,959 REPORTER: During the early morning hours, 802 00:42:31,042 --> 00:42:33,167 a task force of Drug Enforcement Agents 803 00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:37,584 seized seven pounds of cocaine. More arrests are expected. 804 00:42:37,667 --> 00:42:39,292 GARY: But I wasn't the only one doing it. 805 00:42:39,375 --> 00:42:40,876 There were quite a few people. 806 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:44,334 There were two Miami Dolphins that were arrested the same night... 807 00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:47,125 Reese and Crowder. 808 00:42:47,209 --> 00:42:50,584 REPORTER: Defensive lineman Randy Crowder and defensive tackle Don Reese 809 00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:54,083 allegedly were trying to sell about a pound of cocaine 810 00:42:54,167 --> 00:42:55,709 for 20,000 dollars. 811 00:42:55,792 --> 00:42:59,667 It had a street value of more than 200,000 dollars. 812 00:42:59,751 --> 00:43:02,542 I woke up about five o'clock and... 813 00:43:03,834 --> 00:43:06,167 saw him being busted in Florida... 814 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,292 (SIGHS) 815 00:43:07,375 --> 00:43:09,626 ...as clear as I was sittin' in that room. 816 00:43:09,709 --> 00:43:11,125 ♪ (EDGY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 817 00:43:11,209 --> 00:43:13,876 GARY: I was facing up to 20 years in Florida. 818 00:43:14,584 --> 00:43:16,250 I was out on bail, 819 00:43:16,334 --> 00:43:20,083 and I went back to Arkansas, awaiting the trial. 820 00:43:20,167 --> 00:43:24,375 But I still had gout real bad, and I had to do something. 821 00:43:24,459 --> 00:43:26,042 (SIREN WAILING) 822 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:28,375 GARY: And then I get busted again in Arkansas. 823 00:43:31,125 --> 00:43:33,626 INTERVIEWER: And can you tell us what the crime was? 824 00:43:33,709 --> 00:43:37,125 It was possession of a controlled substance. 825 00:43:37,209 --> 00:43:39,751 ♪ (SINISTER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 826 00:43:39,834 --> 00:43:43,334 GARY: I said, "Well, shit, I'm gonna get at least ten years for Miami," 827 00:43:43,417 --> 00:43:46,500 and probably get life up here in Arkansas for an ounce." 828 00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:48,959 Didn't look good. 829 00:43:49,042 --> 00:43:52,500 I didn't feel like anybody should have to go to jail for illegal substances. 830 00:43:52,584 --> 00:43:53,959 I mean, what the fuck, you know? 831 00:43:54,042 --> 00:43:56,083 There's nothin' wrong with coke, and nothin' wrong with weed. 832 00:43:57,876 --> 00:44:00,000 It was wrong, and the laws are wrong. 833 00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:02,500 Really small town, 834 00:44:02,584 --> 00:44:04,542 all the people we thought were our friends, 835 00:44:04,626 --> 00:44:07,083 they all turned their backs on us... 836 00:44:07,167 --> 00:44:09,334 because it was unheard of, people getting involved 837 00:44:09,417 --> 00:44:11,167 in drugs and things like that. 838 00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:14,834 And actually all we have is each other and the family. 839 00:44:14,918 --> 00:44:17,834 SALLY: He was looking at some serious jail time. 840 00:44:17,918 --> 00:44:20,834 And he totally believed in what he was doing, that, 841 00:44:20,918 --> 00:44:25,626 you know, coke and marijuana were the sign of the future, 842 00:44:25,709 --> 00:44:28,626 and that he's not gonna kowtow to their laws. 843 00:44:28,709 --> 00:44:31,584 It was a heart-wrenching situation, it's like... 844 00:44:31,667 --> 00:44:33,459 two people who loved each other, 845 00:44:33,542 --> 00:44:36,459 our children were young, and we just didn't wanna be apart. 846 00:44:36,542 --> 00:44:39,542 I figured, "Well, that's something worth fighting for." 847 00:44:41,167 --> 00:44:43,459 SALLY: We were just waiting for the trial, 848 00:44:43,542 --> 00:44:46,417 trying to figure out how to get out of this... 849 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,417 situation he had gotten himself in. 850 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,709 GARY: One night, we were driving around in a car so we could smoke weed, 851 00:44:53,792 --> 00:44:57,250 and didn't have to do it around the family or whatever. 852 00:44:57,334 --> 00:45:01,125 She said, “I don't know what to do.” I said, "I'll tell you what I want to do." 853 00:45:01,209 --> 00:45:04,709 What any good American would do. (SCOFFS) 854 00:45:04,792 --> 00:45:06,876 I want to do the rabbit, I want to run. (CHUCKLES) 855 00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:09,042 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 856 00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:11,125 GARY: I'll go somewhere, I'll get a new ID, 857 00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:14,167 reestablish myself. I'll get you and the kids, 858 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:15,792 and we'll live happily ever after. 859 00:45:15,876 --> 00:45:18,751 And she agreed with me. That was our best shot. 860 00:45:19,584 --> 00:45:21,209 And so we made our plans. 861 00:45:24,209 --> 00:45:26,125 I said, "Well, I'm gonna fake my suicide." 862 00:45:26,209 --> 00:45:28,626 People are not gonna find my body. 863 00:45:28,709 --> 00:45:31,500 And I wrote this drug-crazed suicide note. 864 00:45:32,334 --> 00:45:34,751 Had a motorcycle waiting for me. 865 00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:37,792 We went to a telephone booth outside of Carlisle. 866 00:45:37,876 --> 00:45:39,209 I got the phone number, 867 00:45:39,292 --> 00:45:43,083 and she was to be there every month at a specific time. 868 00:45:43,167 --> 00:45:48,209 Not once did I ever think, “Oh, that's too crazy, 869 00:45:48,292 --> 00:45:49,500 I'm not gonna do that. 870 00:45:49,584 --> 00:45:52,417 Just get me out of Hazen.” (LAUGHS) 871 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,167 ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 872 00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:57,209 GARY: We figured that was the best way to do it. There was no other way out. 873 00:45:57,292 --> 00:46:00,667 Go to prison for years and years and years, or go make a new life. 874 00:46:00,751 --> 00:46:03,667 ♪ (ENIGMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 875 00:46:03,751 --> 00:46:08,334 My wife and I had done a self-hypnosis course by a master hypnotist 876 00:46:08,417 --> 00:46:09,834 named Shawn Masters. 877 00:46:14,709 --> 00:46:17,083 And it lasted about three months. We went every weekend. 878 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,918 SALLY: We had done self-hypnosis with Shawn Masters. 879 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,834 When you go in self-hypnosis, 880 00:46:24,918 --> 00:46:29,542 it's like you go into this zone and then you program yourself. 881 00:46:31,292 --> 00:46:36,209 GARY: The power of hypnosis, it was... incredible. 882 00:46:36,292 --> 00:46:39,709 I was seeing things that you wouldn't believe happened. 883 00:46:39,792 --> 00:46:44,042 A person had his neck put on a chair here and his feet here, 884 00:46:44,125 --> 00:46:46,626 and he told them that they were a piece of steel. 885 00:46:46,709 --> 00:46:49,459 And then Shawn Masters would get up and stand on their stomach. 886 00:46:54,167 --> 00:46:56,542 I had the power to hypnotize her. 887 00:46:56,626 --> 00:47:00,792 SALLY: It took a good three weeks, every night, twice a day, maybe. 888 00:47:05,626 --> 00:47:07,334 (DOOR CLOSING) 889 00:47:07,417 --> 00:47:11,375 SALLY: We had had some clothes we had put together for me to throw over the bridge. 890 00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:20,959 So he would put me under and tell the story of how he jumped off the bridge. 891 00:47:23,334 --> 00:47:25,959 Like I said, when that shoe would hit the water... 892 00:47:26,042 --> 00:47:28,083 -(ECHOING CLAP) -TRAVIS: He jumped off the bridge. 893 00:47:28,167 --> 00:47:30,417 SALLY: ...that programming would come out. 894 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:31,751 TRAVIS: Right into the water. 895 00:47:31,834 --> 00:47:34,584 It would trigger me to think that he had jumped 896 00:47:34,667 --> 00:47:36,959 off the bridge and committed suicide. 897 00:47:37,042 --> 00:47:40,626 GARY: And when I realized what had happened, I... I collapsed. 898 00:47:40,709 --> 00:47:42,167 (DISTANT THUNDER RUMBLING) 899 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:44,834 SALLY: When I recounted everything, 900 00:47:44,918 --> 00:47:48,250 I felt it, you know? It was real. 901 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,042 I also told her that she'd never have sex with anybody ever 902 00:47:56,125 --> 00:48:01,209 that would be satisfying, except me. (LAUGHS) 903 00:48:01,292 --> 00:48:05,918 Of course he throws in, “You'll never have an orgasm with a man ever again.” 904 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,876 (LAUGHS) 905 00:48:09,709 --> 00:48:13,626 ♪ (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 906 00:48:13,709 --> 00:48:16,209 My dad was still alive, but my mother was dead. 907 00:48:17,042 --> 00:48:18,792 If she had been alive, 908 00:48:18,876 --> 00:48:21,667 I probably would never have done anything to get myself in trouble. (CHUCKLING) 909 00:48:21,751 --> 00:48:26,751 You know? I'd be real careful, because I never wanted to disappoint my mother, ever, 910 00:48:26,834 --> 00:48:30,000 'cause she was such a loyal... 911 00:48:31,083 --> 00:48:33,751 incredible woman, you know? 912 00:48:33,834 --> 00:48:36,417 I just-- I told my stepdad what I was gonna do, 913 00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:38,667 and he was disappointed I had gotten busted. 914 00:48:38,751 --> 00:48:40,000 And I remember... 915 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:43,000 hugging him and we were both crying. 916 00:48:44,292 --> 00:48:46,083 And we said goodbye. 917 00:48:47,375 --> 00:48:48,500 Mm-hmm. 918 00:48:49,417 --> 00:48:51,083 And I never talked to him again. 919 00:48:53,459 --> 00:48:55,834 ♪ ("I'LL GET OVER YOU" BY CRYSTAL GALE PLAYING ON RADIO) ♪ 920 00:48:55,918 --> 00:49:00,334 ♪ I'll get over you ♪ 921 00:49:00,417 --> 00:49:04,209 ♪ I'll get through And when I do ♪ 922 00:49:04,292 --> 00:49:07,042 SALLY: He had been hypnotizing me for weeks. 923 00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:11,792 ♪ I'll be good as new When I get over you ♪ 924 00:49:11,876 --> 00:49:14,709 SALLY: The day of, we drive up to the bridge... 925 00:49:15,709 --> 00:49:17,334 and he parks the car. 926 00:49:18,834 --> 00:49:21,042 I was... in tears... 927 00:49:23,209 --> 00:49:24,459 and so was she. 928 00:49:27,292 --> 00:49:28,667 I got out of my car... 929 00:49:29,876 --> 00:49:31,709 gave her the note. 930 00:49:31,792 --> 00:49:34,334 And I got in a pickup truck with my friend. 931 00:49:35,918 --> 00:49:38,042 And he took me to Texarkana. 932 00:49:38,125 --> 00:49:41,292 And, to this very day, he will never admit that he did it. 933 00:49:43,375 --> 00:49:47,751 SALLY: I'm left there on the road with some shoes 934 00:49:47,834 --> 00:49:49,334 and some clothes 935 00:49:49,417 --> 00:49:51,459 that I throw over the edge. 936 00:49:53,709 --> 00:49:56,334 When that shoe hit the water, it hit... 937 00:49:56,417 --> 00:49:57,500 (CLAPPING) 938 00:49:57,584 --> 00:49:59,000 -...flat. -(ECHOING BOOM) 939 00:49:59,083 --> 00:50:01,209 And it sounded like a gunshot going off. 940 00:50:01,292 --> 00:50:05,250 When that slapped, it put me in that hypnosis thing, 941 00:50:05,334 --> 00:50:06,918 I was hysterical. 942 00:50:08,125 --> 00:50:11,209 I cried, I was on my knees. I was just like, 943 00:50:11,292 --> 00:50:13,083 "What did you do?" 944 00:50:13,167 --> 00:50:15,334 It was just like a switch went on. 945 00:50:15,417 --> 00:50:17,542 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 946 00:50:17,626 --> 00:50:19,834 GARY: She stayed on the bridge and somebody came up, 947 00:50:19,918 --> 00:50:21,709 another vehicle, and she told them 948 00:50:21,792 --> 00:50:23,209 that I jumped off the bridge. 949 00:50:24,542 --> 00:50:28,209 They actually believed her. I mean, she convinced them all. 950 00:50:28,292 --> 00:50:31,459 I'm real proud of her, how she handled herself. 951 00:50:32,459 --> 00:50:34,250 (MOTORCYCLE ENGINE REVVING) 952 00:50:39,083 --> 00:50:43,292 GARY: I was dead and I was going across the plains of Texas. 953 00:50:44,751 --> 00:50:47,584 And I just suddenly realized... 954 00:50:49,083 --> 00:50:52,542 that 35 years of my life, which had been pretty good, 955 00:50:52,626 --> 00:50:54,209 you know, uh... 956 00:50:55,292 --> 00:50:56,667 was gone. 957 00:50:56,751 --> 00:50:59,709 -(HEART BEATING) -(ENGINE REVVING) 958 00:51:01,209 --> 00:51:02,751 GARY: I didn't start out breaking the law, 959 00:51:02,834 --> 00:51:05,167 and becoming a felon, and then eventually 960 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:07,709 doing what I did because I wanted to. 961 00:51:07,792 --> 00:51:10,542 It's just the way things transpired. 962 00:51:12,417 --> 00:51:15,083 It turned out to be much more difficult 963 00:51:15,167 --> 00:51:17,375 and, you might say, heartbreaking than... 964 00:51:17,459 --> 00:51:19,667 anything I'd ever done in my life, really. 965 00:51:20,375 --> 00:51:21,584 Even... (CHUCKLES) 966 00:51:22,667 --> 00:51:23,918 ...right now... 967 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:30,209 those same feelings... 968 00:51:32,083 --> 00:51:34,584 (CHUCKLES) ...are still there. 969 00:51:37,584 --> 00:51:40,334 (LIPS SMACKING) And not mainly because of the loss, 970 00:51:40,417 --> 00:51:42,459 but because of what happened... 971 00:51:44,292 --> 00:51:45,626 in that moment, 972 00:51:46,417 --> 00:51:48,292 on that motorcycle. (CHUCKLES) 973 00:51:49,167 --> 00:51:53,626 Is probably very difficult for... 974 00:51:54,375 --> 00:51:55,500 To understand. 975 00:51:55,584 --> 00:51:57,959 (WIND GUSTING) 976 00:51:58,042 --> 00:51:59,709 I've never been, like, a religious person 977 00:51:59,792 --> 00:52:01,083 or a believer. 978 00:52:02,876 --> 00:52:06,417 But a feeling came over me that was so powerful, 979 00:52:07,542 --> 00:52:10,042 and it was almost like a voice came to me 980 00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:11,918 and said, "Okay..." 981 00:52:12,542 --> 00:52:13,751 you can have this... 982 00:52:15,417 --> 00:52:16,626 but no one can ever know... 983 00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:21,167 or even have an inkling that you have this power. 984 00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:23,375 If anyone knows, you don't exist, 985 00:52:23,459 --> 00:52:25,709 "you never did exist, and you never will exist." 986 00:52:27,292 --> 00:52:30,459 ”I said, "Well, you know, I don't want any power." (CHUCKLES) 987 00:52:32,918 --> 00:52:34,417 "But I'm scared." 988 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:35,876 I just want protection. 989 00:52:37,209 --> 00:52:38,375 "Show me the way." 990 00:52:40,751 --> 00:52:42,751 And that's where this wild and crazy story 991 00:52:42,834 --> 00:52:44,959 really began, right there. 992 00:52:45,042 --> 00:52:46,709 (INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER) 993 00:52:46,792 --> 00:52:50,167 When you commit suicide, you aren't planning on coming back. 994 00:52:51,751 --> 00:52:52,918 But I did come back. 995 00:52:53,834 --> 00:52:57,250 I became the biggest, baddest... 996 00:52:57,334 --> 00:52:59,709 (ENGINE REVVING) 997 00:52:59,792 --> 00:53:01,292 ...drug smuggler of all time. 998 00:53:01,375 --> 00:53:03,167 ♪ ("I'LL GET OVER YOU" BY CRYSTAL GALE PLAYING) ♪ 999 00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:05,083 ♪ One thing 'bout This heart of mine ♪ 1000 00:53:06,334 --> 00:53:10,250 ♪ All my hurt's Gonna mend in time ♪ 1001 00:53:10,334 --> 00:53:14,292 ♪ It don't leave No scars behind ♪ 1002 00:53:14,375 --> 00:53:17,626 ♪ I'll get over you ♪ 1003 00:53:19,125 --> 00:53:22,375 ♪ I'll find me a guy one day ♪ 1004 00:53:23,626 --> 00:53:26,959 ♪ Who's not scared To give his heart away ♪ 1005 00:53:27,959 --> 00:53:31,542 ♪ When I do, it's safe to say ♪ 1006 00:53:31,626 --> 00:53:34,626 ♪ That I'll get over you ♪ 1007 00:53:36,375 --> 00:53:41,000 ♪ I'll get over you ♪ 1008 00:53:41,083 --> 00:53:45,083 ♪ I'll get through And when I do ♪ 1009 00:53:45,167 --> 00:53:49,292 ♪ I'll be good as new ♪ 1010 00:53:49,375 --> 00:53:52,626 ♪ When I get over you ♪ 1011 00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,626 ♪ From now on Think I'll lay low ♪ 1012 00:54:00,876 --> 00:54:05,125 ♪ I'll talk fast But I'll move slow ♪ 1013 00:54:05,209 --> 00:54:08,792 ♪ You taught me All I need to know ♪ 1014 00:54:08,876 --> 00:54:12,375 ♪ 'Bout gettin' over you ♪ 1015 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:17,334 ♪ Sometimes think I love you still ♪ 1016 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:21,584 ♪ Wonder if I always will ♪ 1017 00:54:22,542 --> 00:54:26,292 ♪ But I know it's just until ♪ 1018 00:54:26,375 --> 00:54:29,584 ♪ I get over you ♪ 1019 00:54:30,751 --> 00:54:35,417 ♪ I'll get over you ♪ 1020 00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:38,751 ♪ I'll get through And when I do ♪ 85546

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