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He always looked
for the good side of people.
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He didn't look for material things,
the economic side or for a nice tracksuit.
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He wouldn't criticize anybody,
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so I thought "you're as nice
as you are dumb." It makes me mad.
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The smell after playing football.
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He left his shirt and they grabbed it.
Poof.
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And he's like…
What does your mom use to wash this?
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And, ah, I was going home from work…
I heard the news on the radio…
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Mmm… I got really nervous.
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A huge overwhelming sensation and…
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seeing hours and more hours
go by and that…
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The only one no one
had heard from was Dani.
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The taxi driver… crying with us.
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I still believed
that Dani was helping the victims.
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I got home,
my father was crying.
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And I didn't understand, I told him, hey,
it's fine, everything's fine, dad, no…
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Everything's fine, and…
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And I got the call about them
not being able to find Dani. But…
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I had already talked to him, so…
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it couldn't be and I was saying that…
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He was going to show up
and that I'd give him a hug,
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I wanted him to show up so badly…
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And he never showed up.
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Up until March 10th, 2004,
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I was a normal person,
I think I was happy. I had a job.
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I was able to send both
my children to college.
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I was working on research
on new drugs to treat cancer.
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I was a commander in the terrestrial…
terrestrial army.
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I worked as an electrician and as plumber.
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I was a photojournalist at Agencia EFE.
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I was a regional dance teacher.
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She was in a dance group, too.
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I used to work at… the station.
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I'm a security guard.
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I was working as a train operator
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at the Madrid commuter trains network.
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Back then, I juggled
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working as a civil servant
and I drove a taxi.
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I had two jobs.
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I was a completely happy girl.
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I didn't have any kind of problem,
everything for me was… great.
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My life was… just like
any other 19, 20-year-old guy's.
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I found out I was pregnant. I was happy.
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There was nothing
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foreshadowing that something
would happen that day
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different from… any other day.
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A regular working day.
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He kissed me goodbye like every morning.
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You have some coffee, you take a shower.
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You get dressed and…
you leave in a hurry to catch the train.
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I remember I bought
the newspaper that day.
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Because Real Madrid
had won the day before.
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When he said goodbye,
his mother told him…
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Aren't you going to kiss me goodbye, son?
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As he was walking down the corridor…
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I had this feeling…
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And I thought, "Don't leave."
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I saw I was about to miss the train,
so I automatically ran to catch it.
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And I caught it.
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When the doors closed,
we heard a very loud noise.
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We all fell to the ground
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and smoke came out.
I managed to get out of the wagon.
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I looked right,
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and to my surprise
I saw a blown-up wagon.
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I was on the platform
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and the wagon to my left
and the one I'd just gotten off from…
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exploded.
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What crossed my mind was to get out.
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To get out of there no matter what.
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There is no cowardice
in a situation like that.
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It's survival.
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Through the security walkie-talkies
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we were told we all had to go…
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downstairs…
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to the platforms.
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I threw myself down to protect myself
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and jumped to the railway on the right.
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There a third bomb exploded,
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and everything went black.
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The third explosion hit us upfront.
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The blast threw us down.
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I was knocked unconscious.
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The first shards
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of glass hit me
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on the left side of my face.
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You see… horror
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Images that I think…
no one should see.
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I always sat in the same wagon.
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Usually on the same seat,
right next to the window.
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I remember the beeping sound
when the doors closed.
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I started the… train.
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I didn't hear any noise.
You see a flash…
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and smoke.
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A black cloud enveloped me
and everything started spinning.
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I was under a seat.
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I couldn't see anything.
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I started screaming, "What is this?"
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I-it's is a bomb. It's a bomb.
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And I remember nothing else.
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I saw through the rear-view mirror…
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how the second bomb…
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the second bomb exploded.
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That image… I have it…
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It's impossible to… to forget.
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Because of the huge noise
from the blast…
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it's almost like you're deaf.
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You hear like
when someone talks
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while your head is underwater.
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That's how I was hearing.
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I saw things that…
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that were really hard.
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The first sensation was a lot of light
spinning around me
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and that I had lost control of my body.
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I tried to sit up, but I wasn't able to.
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We were out and got back in
to help people out.
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While we were taking people out,
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the fifth wagon exploded.
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I don't remember anything
after that blast.
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Ah…
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Lord… protect me.
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Uh… me and my family.
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At that moment…
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everything… turned black.
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Once we got there we realized
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just how big the tragedy actually was.
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First, our colleagues,
we looked at each other
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and we told ourselves,
"Okay, well, what is this?"
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Where do we begin?
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Everything was quiet.
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It was dead silence.
You could only hear mobile phones.
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When I woke up, I knew I was on the train,
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but I couldn't see the train anywhere.
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I was suddenly on the seat
that the woman next to me was in.
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I realized,
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to my surprise,
I no longer had pants nor shoes.
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The people who were
in front of me, who were…
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who were right above the bomb
were completely torn apart.
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My legs were cut
up to my knees.
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I tried to get up.
That was when I realized that…
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my legs…
It was impossible to get up
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because they were completely torn apart.
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I was in so much pain.
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It was if my whole body had been torn…
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my whole body, so much pain.
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We began to…
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do something called triage.
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To determine which patients
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should receive medical attention first
depending on the injuries they have,
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how likely they are to… to survive.
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I was helping someone
and my partner, well…
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she asked, "What can I do?"
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And the SAMUR physician
who was attending that person…
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told her, "Help him die in peace."
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Help him die peacefully.
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My partner, well…
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she held his hand…
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and simply waited for him to die.
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A firetruck arrived and…
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we started asking them to cut the doors
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from the trains
so we could use them as stretchers.
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The windows
from nearby houses had shattered
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and through those broken windows
people were throwing blankets for us.
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A friend of hers called me…
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and she only said to me,
"Bomb at Atocha."
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I had my mobile here, I grabbed it…
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and I called my mother.
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He said, "Mom, there was an explosion."
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And… he said, "Mommy come,
come mommy."
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"Dad, dad!
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There was an explosion,
and my arm is destroyed."
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And then the call cut off.
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So I went…
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to the school to check
if she had arrived and they told me
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she hadn't.
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I woke up that morning and thought
I would call him to say "happy birthday",
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it's his birthday today
and I should be the first, I'm his mother.
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One of the answers to the calls was…
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"We can't find your sister."
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When I called, it went through, but…
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no one picked up.
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Since we were undocumented people,
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we didn't want the police to come
and start asking us questions.
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I held on to that lady
and was asking her to help me.
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I told her I had to leave
that place because…
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I didn't want to be deported,
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but she said, "How can you leave
if you can't even walk?"
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I had blood all over me.
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I didn't have papers back then
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and I was just hoping the police wouldn't
catch me because I had no pa--
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I remember… a boy next to me…
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He was dead… very young.
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One man came onto the train and saw…
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a finger… that was moving.
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He had a wound in his chest.
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When I saw the wound,
what I did was put my hand in.
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I put my hand inside him.
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With his hand he…
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he lessened the blood loss.
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In Spain, we felt
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the permanent threat of local terrorism.
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The terrorism carried out by ETA.
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Two weeks before
some ETA members had been caught.
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They had come to Madrid
with a truck full of explosives
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and they were targeting something big,
but it wasn't known what.
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It's clear.
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ETA has tried to wreck democracy.
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It was a Thursday.
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And the general elections
would take place on Sunday.
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Thus, there was
a chance this would directly
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impact the election.
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Terrorists must know
that any government
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will give them the same answer.
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And that it will pursue them
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until they answer
for their atrocious crimes.
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This is not the time
to talk about anything
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but the anger we feel
because of this savagery
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and the support
for the families of the victims.
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Once the people that need
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medical attention
are removed from the area,
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the areas are secured.
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An inspection of the scene begins,
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and all the objects are observed
and then orderly removed.
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Suddenly, we can hear people's voices
and screams saying there's another bomb.
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And a personal
and emotional struggle begins.
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The guys from TEDAX told us
we had to leave the place immediately.
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We had to make sure
there were no remaining living victims.
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The firefighters didn't know…
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And we all stayed there.
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Because
some people were still alive.
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A colleague heard a noise, heard a moan
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and the guy said,
"we need to search here."
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There was a… a girl…
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who was screaming inside,
but what we heard was so low.
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And indeed, there was a person
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underneath… several people.
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They saw me, they saw that I…
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that I was breathing and…
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I remember that they said,
"This one's alive, she's alive!"
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Our first instinct was to grab her hand.
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And when she grabbed my hand, I remember
she held it very very tight, like saying
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"I don't know where I am or what happened,
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but I know this
is what's going to save me."
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In the end,
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two bags
with explosive devices were found.
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One at El Pozo station,
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which had to be neutralized.
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The other at Atocha,
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and despite TEDAX's
efforts to deactivate it,
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they realized that
it wasn't safe enough to do it manually,
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so it was neutralized
by allowing it to explode.
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The firefighters
had to carry out the hardest job.
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We were recovering the bodies,
and in some cases it was really hard.
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I was obsessed with looking
at every spot, at every corner
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so we wouldn't miss anything.
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We looked underneath the rails
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and by tracing the blast wave
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I told one firefighter,
"Let's get up on the roof
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in case there's anything there."
Indeed, there was a dead body
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on the roof…
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An incident infinitely more painful…
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considering how many feelings
we experienced.
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The wounds were different.
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It wasn't a war, and these
were not soldiers and there were so many.
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I'd never seen a clinical chart
written on an abdomen with a marker.
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The patients arrived
completely out of themselves.
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Most of them were deaf.
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I had a burst vertebra.
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I was missing a piece of…
of my forehead and my nose.
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I had tubes coming out of everywhere.
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The only thing I was thinking of
was that I had lost my baby.
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It felt… impossible, like a nightmare,
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but no, it was real.
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I didn't care that I had burns,
I didn't care that I had broken bones,
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I didn't care that one of my legs
had been amputated.
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I didn't care about any of that.
I was alive.
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The blast wave had cut my elbow.
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The doctor recommended cutting
his arm off, to amputate his left arm.
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My husband showed me
a picture of my children,
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because I couldn't remember
I had children.
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When I woke up…
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My husband,
my parents, my family was there.
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I was trying to tell them
how my daughter was dressed.
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That same morning
I talked to Baltasar Garzón
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and told him,
"Those ETA people are bastards."
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And Garzón told me,
"Alberto, it wasn't ETA."
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I told Alberto Ruiz Gallardón,
he asked me,
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and I told him it wasn't ETA.
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And I remember he said,
"What are you saying?"
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I said, "No, it wasn't them."
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He told me it wasn't ETA's modus operandi.
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I can tell you at this moment ETA
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doesn't have enough operating forces
to carry out an attack this big.
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The abertzale left is not even considering
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as a hypothesis that ETA
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is behind what happened today in Madrid.
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The Government convened a crisis cabinet,
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and to our surprise, we discovered
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that the people who were called
to participate in the crisis cabinet
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were people who had little to do
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with any police or security department
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and had more to do with the Popular Party.
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And furthermore, the Director
of the National Intelligence Service
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hadn't been asked to join.
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That was the first time I had a feeling
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that things were starting
to become delicate
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and might end up becoming dangerous.
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There were two meetings that morning.
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One took place at the Moncloa and was
presided by the president,
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and another one
at the Ministry of Interior,
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which was presided
by the Minister Acebes.
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I wasn't invited to either of them.
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There was a meeting
of the police higherups
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between 12:00 and 1:00 PM
at the Ministry of Interior.
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One of the police commanders called
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the police commander in charge
of the TEDAX, who was working
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in one of the attack sites, to ask him
if he knew anything about the explosives.
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And he said it could be dynamite
with a detonating cord,
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that's what Santiago Cuadro Jaén says.
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And Pedro Díaz Pintado
says he heard him say
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it might be Titadine
with a detonating cord.
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Both have sworn to death that it was
the other that made the mistake.
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Santiago Cuadro says
he never said Titadine
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and Díaz Pintado says he heard Titadine.
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That's what he reported
to the rest of the police commanders
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and what he later reported
to the minister.
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That morning we were told
that what had blown was Titadine,
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not goma-2 ECO,
which is what actually blew up.
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Titadine was ETA's usual weapon.
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The Titadine issue is a rumor
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that started spreading in the first hours
immediately after the attacks
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when we still weren't able
to determine the type of explosive.
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First, because
there was no expert analysis
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and second, because the expert
analysis that was done later
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could only determine the type of explosive
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used for the explosion, not the brand.
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And Titadine is a brand.
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The President of the Government
José María Aznar called
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all the main newspapers'
directors to tell them
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the government was certain ETA
was behind the attacks.
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We received a direct phone call
from the President.
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He told us then that
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the most likely hypothesis
they were going with
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was that the terrorist organization ETA
was behind the attack.
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The President of the Government considered
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ETA directly responsible for the attack
without any doubt whatsoever.
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We had just closed
the edition of the newspaper
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with the front page headline
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"Terrorist Massacre in Madrid."
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And after Aznar's call,
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I changed the headline
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to "ETA Massacre in Madrid."
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How could we not trust the word
of the President?
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The police, due to the M.O., discarded ETA
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almost from the beginning.
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I felt pretty uncomfortable…
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because an attack of such magnitude
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was something that ETA,
unless it was a faction
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that was trying to split from them,
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wasn't interested in.
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At this moment, security forces and corps
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as well as the Ministry of Interior,
have no doubt
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that the terrorist organization ETA
is behind the attack.
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There is no possible nor desirable
negotiation with these murderers
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who have so many times
brought death throughout all of Spain.
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Spanish television is providing you
information on the series of attacks
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in Madrid through which
ETA has tried to plant
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the seeds of chaos and panic
at the end of the electoral campaign.
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The government called
the United Nations to demand
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a statement condemning the attacks.
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They asked and insisted
that the Security Council
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condemn the attacks.
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The government insisted,
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that as statement of condemnation
was not enough,
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00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,120
it had to say that the attacks
had been perpetrated by ETA.
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The Renault Kangoo was found around noon
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and people from the Provincial
Information Brigade showed up.
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They said that the Renault didn't match
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the information that a vehicle
manipulated by ETA should provide.
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When we found the van,
there were some remaining
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explosive devices and it was determine
they were made of goma-2 ECO.
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The policemen in charge managed
the information correctly,
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but it is obvious that there was
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a discrepancy
between the information provided
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and the information the public had.
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A van was found
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in Alcalá de Henares
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and in the front seat we found
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seven detonating devices
and also among others tapes,
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we found one in Arabic containing
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Quran verses regarding teaching.
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This made me instruct
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our police forces and corps not to dismiss
any line of investigation.
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I insisted that our main line
of investigation, the one the police
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and the national guard was considering
as essential, same as this morning,
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was that of the terrorist group ETA.
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Spain is still in shock of this tragedy
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caused by the series
of attacks that happened
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today that,
according to most of the hypotheses,
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ETA carried out in Madrid.
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00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,840
A letter supposedly
from the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda
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00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,520
was sent to an Arabic newspaper in London
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00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,280
and in it the group claims to be behind
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00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,080
this morning's attacks in Madrid.
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00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Al-Qaeda justifies the attacks as part
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00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320
of old unsettled debts
in what they call the Spanish crusade.
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00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,320
It was very painful to see how the issue
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of the people who died
was slowly fading away.
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The dead bodies were taken
to pavilion 6 at IFEMA.
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Then the autopsies began.
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There were many families
who didn't know yet
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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,960
that their relative was dead.
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00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,640
They were holding on to the hope that they
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00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,880
might find them at the hospital among
the unidentified wounded.
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00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960
To everyone that approached and asked me
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00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,440
if I needed something,
I would answer, "Look for my boy."
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I believed my son
would show up any minute.
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It was past 11.
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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,640
It was past 12.
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All night without knowing anything.
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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,960
They explained the same thing, as always.
Dad had gone to heaven because…
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00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,080
some evil people wanted to take him.
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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200
That feeling of not wanting to be called.
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00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,720
Of not wanting
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00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520
to hear your family's name,
your daughter's name.
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00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,200
We told a family that…
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their relative was dead.
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00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,960
And we would accompany them
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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,560
immediately to identify the body.
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00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040
It seemed that they had found…
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Daniel's body.
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00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240
They had to make a DNA test
to identify him properly.
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00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,240
I only remember that I said one phrase.
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00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Please, even if it's a lie…
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00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,120
swear to me…
that my son died without any suffering.
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00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,560
The police told me
we needed to see a picture.
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00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,960
And I told them it was my daughter.
439
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,160
My husband went in
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to identify a person,
thinking it was his daughter.
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00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,600
But he said it wasn't.
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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,880
And it was his daughter.
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00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
It's the hardest thing
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any father could go through,
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or any mother.
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00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,640
I was so stubborn about being
one of the persons going in.
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00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,840
And I went in.
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00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,320
And there she was.
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00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,120
And then…
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that was it.
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All of us were wondering,
"How can I help?"
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All the wounded had someone
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00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,800
next to them holding their hand.
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People from the streets.
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00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,000
He held my hand
and told me all along,
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00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
"Don't worry,
we're going to help you."
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00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,320
There were people
who were still alive but… no…
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00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,440
They didn't have any chance.
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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,640
I never imagined someone who wasn't
a health worker could do such thing.
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00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400
In that moment,
some people did things that…
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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,200
that under normal circumstances
they wouldn't do.
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00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,880
I thought they were going to leave,
but when I said "Let's go look inside",
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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,200
eight or ten people went in and those
eight or ten stayed until the end.
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The lines to donate blood
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had no end.
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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,840
The taxi driver told me I didn't have
to pay him anything and wished me luck.
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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400
Everyone showed up. Everyone.
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00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,600
"We're not afraid."
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00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,920
While writing an article…
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It was so hard to convey
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the great pain we were seeing.
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Whenever an ambulance
passed through, people would clap.
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00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240
I really wanted to thank the people
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for helping us and what they did.
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00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200
We did everything we could
and if I couldn't do better
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I apologize, obviously. Right?
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00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280
To anyone that at that time
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cried for us, know that
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I will be eternally grateful to you.
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I'd never seen my country
as united like that day. Never.
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Two days later,
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Spain was divided
like I'd never seen before.
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00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,840
We are committed to fight new threats
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like terrorism, weapons of mass
destruction and tyrannical regimes.
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00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,920
The role of Spain
in the Iraq occupation was very polemical,
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it was very controversial,
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and it produced
large protests in the streets.
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It brought to the forefront matters
of international politics
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for the general public, something
that had never happened before.
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The interest of the general public
in foreign affairs
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was very limited.
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Instructions were given to pick up
and store bag the evidence found
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and to send it to IFEMA.
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The judge in charge stated in the report
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that the evidence was going to be held
at the Puente de Vallecas precinct,
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we had to go to IFEMA
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and bring everything
to the Puente de Vallecas precinct.
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00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,400
While doing an inspection and writing
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a report of everything
that was inside the bag,
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a police officer found the device.
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00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,280
I got a call and they told me
they had found a bomb
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and that they had already called
the TEDAX team,
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that they had evacuated the precinct.
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00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,680
We took it to a park
to be able to deactivate it
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00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,760
more securely and without putting
other people at risk,
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00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,520
there we could go slowly,
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and we were able to deactivate it.
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In the X-ray we could perfectly see
509
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,440
a very long wire
that hadn't been properly fitted.
510
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,640
It was like this,
which is why it didn't explode.
511
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,960
The backpack contained a phone,
512
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,360
a card and an explosive device.
513
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,120
With this, the police started working
514
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680
backwards to figure out where
the explosive devices came from,
515
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,520
where the phone was bought
516
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,400
and where the card was bought.
517
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,240
Does anyone believe
that any sensible government
518
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,080
in Spain after 30 years
519
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,080
of terrorism and after facing
an attack like yesterday's
520
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,720
wouldn't logically,
521
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,240
reasonably, believe
522
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,000
that that gang might be behind it?
523
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,040
For some, if it had been ETA,
524
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,920
this would be a victory
for the Popular Party,
525
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,600
however, for others
if the Islamists had done it,
526
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,800
Islamic terrorists, this would give
527
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,840
the south an advantage in the elections
that would take place in three days.
528
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
The main line
of investigation is still ETA.
529
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Yes, it's still the main
line of investigation,
530
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680
this is what I've been told moments ago
531
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
by the security forces and corps,
who are in charge of the investigation.
532
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,760
An anonymous call on behalf of ETA
533
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,160
assures that the terrorist organization
was not responsible
534
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,720
and it was published
by the newspaper Gara.
535
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,560
The White House offered
536
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,560
an interview with the President
and the First Lady
537
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,280
at ambassador Javier Rupérez's residence.
538
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,400
The offer was a surprise
539
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,240
due to the nature of the interview,
540
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,640
but it was normal
that the White House press called
541
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,120
the Spanish Television correspondents.
542
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,040
I always believed it was
543
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,160
because of the connection, the friendship
544
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,760
between Bush and Aznar.
545
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,480
It was the first time
an American president
546
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000
visited a foreign ambassador
in Washington.
547
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,480
Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice were there.
548
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,800
We knew Colin Powell,
who had a very high position
549
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,600
in Bush's administration, was coming.
550
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,840
Bush did the interview next to his wife
551
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,000
and afterwards
552
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Lorenzo called me to tell me
that Spanish Television
553
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600
would not broadcast the interview.
554
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,040
At that time, I supposed,
555
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,120
and I still believe it now,
556
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,680
that Spanish Television's director
557
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,520
believed it wasn't timely
558
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,520
to link…
559
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,800
what had happened in Madrid
with President Bush
560
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,640
because that led to Iraq.
561
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,600
And what I understood
562
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,760
was that Spanish Television's
directors were…
563
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520
trying to keep going
with the government's version,
564
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,440
which was ETA.
565
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Bush held me back and asked
if we could talk privately.
566
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080
He asked me, "Who do you think
567
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,800
is behind this?" And I said,
"Well, we believe it's ETA."
568
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Then he told me,
569
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,360
"My intelligence services say
570
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,680
there's a chance it wasn't ETA."
571
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,280
When the President of the United States
572
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,920
says his intelligence services
573
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,840
are finding out
that it was someone else, well…
574
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,120
I called Aznar to told him and…
575
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Aznar, I imagine Aznar knew
576
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,400
much more than I did
at that moment, right?
577
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,520
He was already aware
of the issue since he…
578
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,840
Let's say the rumor mill
579
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000
had already started in Madrid.
580
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,480
It began with the usual
shouts of "No to terrorism…"
581
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,240
but then something starts to come out…
582
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480
a voice in a…
583
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,440
very spontaneous manner
asking who was it.
584
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,120
That question, at that demonstration,
585
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,360
that day, already…
586
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,080
told us that the people didn't believe
587
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,040
the government's version.
588
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,960
It seems like some people
589
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,680
want to dismiss the possibility
590
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,600
that the criminal and murderous
organization ETA is behind this.
591
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,400
As the investigation continues,
592
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,560
there is more evidence
pointing to Arabs, not ETA.
593
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,880
Specially when they find phone numbers
594
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,760
through one of the phone cards
found next to the bombs.
595
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,200
Those numbers were tracked
596
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280
and it turned out that the phone card
597
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,360
was sold in Lavapies in a store
598
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,200
of an Arab named Jamal Zougam.
599
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,880
Jamal Zougam was a person
with a jihadist background.
600
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,240
He was someone who had already been
flagged by French intelligence services
601
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,000
for his ties to jihadism.
602
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,280
No Spaniard can be surprised
that the priority
603
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,680
is the terrorist organization
that's spent 30 years
604
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,120
attacking Spain,
and that's caused nearly 900 deaths.
605
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,920
That is the priority.
606
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,960
I haven't heard it's Al-Qaeda from anyone
at the security forces and corps
607
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,680
or that the favor an investigative line
608
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,400
regarding that terrorist organization.
609
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,560
The first detentions
were of citizens from Maghreb.
610
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Where's ETA?
611
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,560
The head of the NIC had been
612
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,000
excluded from both political
and investigative meetings,
613
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,040
and suddenly the government
asks him to make a statement
614
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,040
blaming ETA for the attacks,
615
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,040
when the police already had
by noon on Saturday the information
616
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,000
of the stores where the phones
617
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,200
used in the attacks had been sold.
618
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,760
I met with Minister Acebes in his office
619
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040
on Saturday at 4:00 PM
and I wasn't told anything.
620
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,920
From Moncloa,
I'm being asked to say something
621
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,840
that is obviously going nowhere,
622
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,440
and they already know that the ETA trail
has no validity whatsoever
623
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,440
and that the Islamist trail
is the valid one.
624
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
I felt very bad that day.
625
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,960
I felt very manipulated
and that day I wanted…
626
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,920
I wanted to quit.
But imagine, if that night,
627
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,720
the day before the elections,
I had presented my resignation,
628
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
I would've directly caused him
to lose the elections,
629
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,800
and that was a burden
I didn't want to carry either.
630
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,360
Before the ballots open,
631
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760
the local cell records a video
632
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,080
with the intent of being able to intervene
633
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,000
in the discussion that had already started
634
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,080
in the media and among Spain's society
635
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
regarding who was behind the attacks.
636
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,520
The video was made by one
of the terrorists dressed as a woman
637
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,440
because that was what he had nearby.
Imagine how desperate
638
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,480
they were feeling,
the need they had to say,
639
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,880
"Hey, it was us who killed them, not ETA.
640
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,280
It was us, damn it!"
641
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,360
I think nothing should be dismissed.
642
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,400
The police will continue to work
643
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,280
investigating every possibility.
644
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,120
The Minister of Interior subjected himself
645
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,320
to a dramatic sequence
of public appearances
646
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,400
in which the information he provided
647
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,840
was very volatile,
and at the same time very contradictory.
648
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,000
It was extremely surprising
that someone like Aznar
649
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,080
wasn't capable of stopping that version,
650
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
because it was obvious that the opposition
651
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,680
was going to use the ammunition
they were giving them.
652
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,080
On the day of reflection,
653
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:25,440
the Spanish left went out to the streets
and criticized the government
654
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,280
harshly and disproportionately.
655
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,280
In Spain,
on the 24 hours before an election,
656
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,680
it is forbidden to make
any political propaganda.
657
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,880
Many of the meetings taking place
in the streets and in front
658
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
of the Popular Party headquarters
were organized through social media,
659
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,680
which, on top of that,
660
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,800
were still unknown or, at least,
their use was very rare.
661
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,520
The complaints started very strong.
662
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,640
There was a demonstration in front
of the Popular Party's headquarters,
663
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,840
berating the government despite the fact
664
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,080
that there had been no evidence
of culpability from the government.
665
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,200
There is an illegal demonstration
666
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,800
that is also blaming the Popular Party
for terrible crimes.
667
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,800
The government was in trouble,
the opposition had seen blood
668
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,360
and the chance to change
the election outcome unexpectedly.
669
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Spanish citizens deserve a government
that doesn't lie to them.
670
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,360
They deserve a government
that always speaks the truth.
671
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,600
The government,
since the beginning has acted
672
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,880
and continues to act
with full transparency.
673
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,280
On Sunday 14th, I went
down to vote with my husband and daughter.
674
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,440
Miriam was going to London on Thursday,
675
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,480
so she sent her vote through mail.
I asked to be present
676
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,840
to make sure Miriam's vote was counted.
677
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,040
I went to vote.
678
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,560
I went because my boy
679
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,720
wanted to vote, but they didn't let him.
680
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,880
The day of the elections gave the victory,
surprisingly, to the opposition party.
681
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,280
I've given orders
to have the Spanish troops
682
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,080
posted in Iraq
683
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,080
come home as soon
and as safely as possible.
684
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Condoleezza Rice
called me to express
685
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,880
her surprise, her shock.
686
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,800
Because they hadn't warned the Americans,
they hadn't said anything.
687
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,040
There was this sense that Zapatero
688
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,160
is kind of doing
what the terrorists have asked.
689
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,920
He should have waited
long enough so that no one
690
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,320
would think that there was
a cause-and-effect relationship
691
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,040
between the attacks and the withdrawal.
692
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,760
Choosing March 11
as the day of the attacks in Madrid
693
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,360
had nothing to do with the elections.
694
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,480
It was rather a matter of strategy
for the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda.
695
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,080
The first evidence of March 11
696
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,720
having been chosen
as the day to attack Madrid
697
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,640
dates back
698
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,000
to October 19, 2003.
699
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,960
An on October 19, 2003,
700
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,400
the general elections
hadn't been called yet
701
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,280
in Spain.
702
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,400
There's objective data indicating
703
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,640
that the attacks were fully planned
in Belgium, in Brussels.
704
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,320
It's a document to be able
to acquire a mobile telephone chip
705
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,160
that would be used
by the March 11 network.
706
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,280
In those documents,
they put two false dates of birth.
707
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,680
One is replaced by May 16,
708
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,360
the date of the attacks in Casablanca,
709
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,720
and the other one
is replaced by March 11,
710
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,280
the day the attacks in Madrid would occur.
711
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,080
Both pieces of information date back
to before the elections were called.
712
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Therefore, it's hard to believe
that someone was heading
713
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,520
the presidency and knew he would call
for an election on March 14.
714
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,800
With all the data
that the national police had gathered,
715
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,600
we started to draw the first conclusions
716
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,640
on all the devices that hadn't exploded.
717
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:26,080
Once we found out where the mobile
phones' chips had been bought,
718
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,720
we were able to locate the phones
719
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,720
through the radioelectric network.
720
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,760
And they were near a house
we already knew of
721
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,480
which is where the explosives were made,
in they are of Morata de Tajuña.
722
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,960
That type of explosive came from mines,
especially those located in Asturias.
723
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,520
Conchita Mine is a very rural place,
724
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,280
it was relatively easy to hide
big amounts of explosive materials there.
725
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
There were explosive cartridges,
726
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,760
which were not at the munitions dump,
as they should have been.
727
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,920
All the explosive devices,
as well as the rest of the detonators,
728
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,720
and there were many different types,
had all come from the same mine.
729
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,080
The other part of the investigation
was now to identify
730
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,400
all the people who might have had a role
731
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,280
in allowing the terrorists to have
this amount of explosives.
732
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,040
The linking piece was
733
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,480
an individual called Rafa Zouhier,
734
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,000
who knew the perpetrators
735
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,000
and also the people
at the mine in Asturias.
736
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,120
And both groups arranged it.
737
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,840
The jihadist cell
got their explosives in Asturias
738
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,680
by trading them for hashish,
as simple as that.
739
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,240
They took them to Madrid
and planned the attacks.
740
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,320
The operation leader of the cell,
741
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,800
when he was driving from Asturias
with 200 kg of explosives,
742
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,000
was stopped by the Civil Guard.
743
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,040
They were stopped, identified,
and there was nothing against them.
744
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,680
He was fined and he paid in cash.
745
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,200
They didn't search the trunk
where all the explosives were.
746
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,040
The car had duplicated plates.
747
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,000
If instead of a traffic patrol car
748
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,840
an antiterrorist control patrol car
had been there, he'd been arrested.
749
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,880
There were serious coordination failures
750
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,480
between the Civil Guard,
the National Police Corps,
751
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,120
and also of international cooperation.
752
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,120
There were many lines of investigation,
753
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,560
but none of them were concrete.
754
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,560
We knew they had a lot of explosives
755
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,960
and that they would go on killing
756
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,560
while the could.
757
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Some security guards
who were patrolling near the AVE rails saw
758
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,800
a suspicious vehicle,
with two individuals acting suspiciously
759
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,200
and they called the Civil Guard.
The people who were there
760
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,400
noticed the movement
and that they had been found out and left.
761
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,560
They cut some of the wire
to access the rails
762
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,960
and they tried to plant
some explosives there.
763
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,400
12 kilograms of explosives
with their detonators had been placed
764
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,200
under the rail and hidden with rocks.
As the train passed,
765
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,520
they would've simply had
to detonate them manually.
766
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,040
They placed it a few meters
away from a bridge.
767
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,960
Had it exploded, it would've been
a similar carnage to that of March 11th.
768
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,320
Because of the way the explosive
device had been placed,
769
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,360
all the people on the train
would have died.
770
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,720
The General Information Precinct
already had information
771
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,920
about the possible perpetrators
772
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,280
of the attacks, and they were all
from a jihadist cell
773
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,840
that was mainly composed
of individuals from Morocco.
774
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,200
At that time the only one
that had been to Afghanistan
775
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,240
and had returned to Spain was Said Berraj.
776
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,400
Said Berraj had to have been the one
777
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,560
to teach them how to make the explosives.
778
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,960
We were investigating mainly
779
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,440
all the phone numbers
that had been in touch
780
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,640
or had had anything to do with the phones
that were used for the bombs.
781
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,080
A point came
782
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,320
when we had a map
783
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,040
that looked like a star
with hundreds of points,
784
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,120
here we placed the different phone numbers
785
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,240
owned by people who could
have been involved in the attacks.
786
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,360
One of the numbers really caught my eye
787
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,480
because it looked really similar
to the batch related to Said Berraj.
788
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,840
I decided to investigate the phone number
789
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,560
and we saw that the last incoming call
790
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,080
was from a Spaniard
791
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,000
that had rented an apartment
to some Arabs.
792
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,720
They had given him their foreign number
793
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,680
and the name of Mohamed Belhadj
794
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,200
and… at 3:00 PM…
795
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,880
I called my then boss, my superior…
796
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,080
and told him "I've found the security
apartment of the terrorists."
797
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,920
I asked, "Is there someone inside?"
798
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,480
And Rafa says,
"Yes, there are people inside."
799
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,480
Abdelmajid Bouchar was one
of the people inside the apartment
800
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,160
and he went down to take out the trash.
801
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,360
This person notices
the presence of members
802
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,760
of the Central Unit
of Foreign Intelligence.
803
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,840
The units are dressed as civilians
804
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,800
and then he leaves
the bag in the container.
805
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,560
And he starts running.
806
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,760
The police couldn't stop him
at that time because
807
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,560
what we didn't know was that Abdelmajid
Bouchar was actually an athlete.
808
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,520
The guys up in the apartment
809
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,120
started shooting from the windows
810
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,920
and for us that was confirmation
811
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,640
that they were the terrorists.
812
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,440
The amount of explosives
that they may still have
813
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,320
could be high, very high.
814
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,480
It was likely they had it
in the apartment.
815
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,160
One of Morocco's State
security forces called me
816
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,040
since they already had the names
of the people we were looking for
817
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,000
and obviously the phones had been bugged.
818
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,320
They told me that they
had called their families in Morocco
819
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,840
to say goodbye.
820
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,640
He told me they believed
they were going to kill themselves.
821
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,360
The area is sealed off
822
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,960
and all the citizen security units
are mobilized,
823
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,800
and GEO is sent,
824
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,520
the Special Ops Group,
825
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,320
to carry out the assault
or to negotiate the terrorists' surrender.
826
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,760
We proceeded
and went up to the first floor
827
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,200
where the place they were living in was.
828
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,080
We put a controlled
explosive device on the door.
829
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,160
They started shooting from the inside
830
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,960
and we could hear chanting in Arabic.
831
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,440
The chief of the operation
ordered us to throw tear gas inside,
832
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,480
and a short while later we saw Javier,
833
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,320
who was the only one that could see inside
through the shield window,
834
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,680
signaled he could see someone
835
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,400
and he was talking to someone inside,
and he told him,
836
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,080
"Get out slowly, undress, undress."
837
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,320
The blast wave threw me into the air,
838
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,480
my eardrums were gone,
I could barely hear.
839
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,960
When the explosion's movement stopped
840
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,160
and I saw I was fine, I looked up
at the building, the assault was over,
841
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,080
everything was about, well, to collapse.
842
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Then we all got to work
843
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,720
to rescue our teammates
who had been buried under the rubble.
844
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,400
We also took Javier out,
845
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,120
who was very injured at that moment.
846
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,680
An object cut his leg
and he didn't make it.
847
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,200
We found the remains of seven bodies,
848
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,080
completely destroyed.
849
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,800
The leaders of the cell
killed themselves there.
850
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,520
They were the ones
who put the backpacks in the train
851
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,160
getting on at Alcalá de Henares.
852
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,720
They got on different trains,
left the backpacks and got off
853
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,280
at intermediate stations.
854
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,920
The terrorists had started
but hadn't finished
855
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,880
a series of attacks they had planned.
856
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,160
They had a house
857
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,440
they had rented very close to Granada.
858
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,680
One of them left a will.
859
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,080
They were counting on the fact
860
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,680
if they weren't detained,
their goal was to…
861
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,720
their ultimate goal was to become
what they understand as…
862
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,160
a martyr.
863
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,880
The grave of GEO member Torronteras,
864
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,960
who died during the explosion,
was desecrated.
865
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,640
The coffin was pulled out,
the body was taken out and…
866
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,840
and burnt.
867
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,840
The ones who planned that out…
868
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,680
The ones I asked before…
869
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,240
when, who, and why…
870
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,200
They decided that day,
precisely that day…
871
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,320
Well, I don't think they are
in far away deserts.
872
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,960
Or that they're in far away mountains.
873
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,480
What do you mean by that?
874
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,480
Your honor, I'm saying what I said,
875
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,440
and if you want to know,
876
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,840
investigate it, your honor.
877
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,960
Don't ask me
to take responsibility on that.
878
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,320
I didn't have much information because
we weren't part of the investigation.
879
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,080
There were no meetings
in which we participated
880
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,240
and in which investigation tasks
were assigned or distributed to us.
881
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,640
That's after the 16th.
882
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,800
It doesn't make sense
that some common criminals
883
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,720
were able to plan and carry out
884
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,920
the largest terrorist attack
in the history of Europe,
885
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,680
and which even toppled a government.
886
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
You…
887
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,800
insist time and again
in pulling an esoteric link
888
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,080
between ETA and Al-Qaeda
not because you care about the truth,
889
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,080
because you care that the people--
890
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,200
what you care about is that the people
keep thinking that there is a link,
891
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,000
because that, somehow,
892
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,840
will allow you to keep defending the lies
you told between the 11th and the 14th.
893
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,560
You are the ones who cannot
live with the circumstances
894
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,760
in which you won.
895
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,840
You don't care about what's
on the reports, or the judicial process,
896
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,640
or the data, you don't care about that.
897
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,720
You have the irresistible need,
898
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,120
irresistible, to say the investigation
is not being carried out.
899
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,240
Today instead of the president
showing up, an agitator has shown up.
900
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,600
What were you laughing about,
your honors?
901
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,040
What we're talking about, your honors…
902
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,040
is of the death and permanent injuries
903
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,880
suffered by human beings.
904
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,200
Of losses that have filled us
with grief and bitterness.
905
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,920
What happened? What madness took over
906
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,560
this country in that moment?
Politics cannot steep that low. It can't.
907
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,440
The 11M commission was only there
908
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,080
so that politicians
could throw insults at each other
909
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,880
at the expense of the victims of the 11M.
It didn't serve any purpose.
910
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,600
Everything fell apart.
911
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,320
Why? Because there was a change,
and a new government came in.
912
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:07,800
That's the answer.
913
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,680
There was a smearing campaign
against the investigative judge,
914
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,760
against the prosecutor.
915
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,040
They wanted, at any cost,
916
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,120
the perpetrators
to be the terrorist organization ETA.
917
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,000
A conspiracy theory was created.
918
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,120
Pedro J. Ramírez,
from the newspaper El Mundo
919
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,320
along with Federico Jiménez Losantos,
920
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,640
who at that time worked at the COPE,
921
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,960
starts spreading stories
922
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,760
to hoist a flag
923
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960
saying that it wasn't clear
who the perpetrators were.
924
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,560
We ended up turning coincidences
925
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,840
into evidence and putting them
on the front page
926
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,520
with a great reach.
927
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,320
Several theories start circulating
and they always include
928
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,920
a link with ETA,
929
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,000
with the Spanish secret service
930
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,520
working for the socialist party…
931
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,440
The conservation of the trains
932
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,200
has also been the target of many theories.
933
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,040
The contention point here
is to understand either that the trains
934
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,720
are the scene of a crime
or that they are evidence for convictions.
935
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,680
The trains are a crime scene that,
936
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,240
after the police has inspected it
937
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,240
and has gathered samples and evidence,
938
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,600
goes back to normal.
939
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,840
They talked a lot about links
between ETA members
940
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,240
that had gone to Morocco.
Where did they find this information?
941
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,200
Morocco never provided
that information to us.
942
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,720
The intelligence services didn't either.
943
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,800
We are in a commercial war.
El Mundo has to leave
944
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,920
its right-wing newspaper competition,
Diario ABC, on the curbside.
945
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,680
Each time El Mundo
published a story like this,
946
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,200
with the support of the COPE,
947
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,640
the sales of El Mundo would go up,
948
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,319
and the sales of ABC would go down.
949
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,800
The efforts to mislead the discussion
of who was behind the 11M
950
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,800
is the most transcendental
and dirtiest journalistic deceit operation
951
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,000
in the history of Spanish journalism
since the transition to democracy.
952
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,439
There isn't even a reasonable margin,
953
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,600
not even to cast doubt…
954
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,680
that some people keep casting
with a good intention
955
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,000
that there was possible
cooperation between ETA and jihadists.
956
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,000
That cooperation has never existed.
957
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,960
There is absolutely no evidence
pointing to any kind of cooperation.
958
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,000
Neither direct nor indirect.
959
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,680
Every attempt at linking the attacks
960
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,640
with the terrorist organization
ETA was absolutely fraudulent.
961
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:09,800
There was nothing.
962
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,480
Since the beginning, everything pointed
to a jihadist cell.
963
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,400
A damage was done,
964
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,200
unnecessary, gratuitous, and unfair,
965
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,960
to the people who were
just doing their job.
966
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,560
Some journalists,
967
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,200
including Jiménez Losantos,
accused me directly
968
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,640
of being responsible
for a police scheme…
969
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,320
that had planned the attacks.
970
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,320
That I had been an accomplice
of a criminal massacre
971
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,000
and had filled the 11M report
with false evidence.
972
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,840
My wife, my children…
973
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,080
tried to act normal around me, but…
974
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,240
They were carrying
their suffering deep inside
975
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,680
and, in fact, unfortunately, well…
976
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,400
The consequences were lethal.
977
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:48,640
To understand what happened
on March 11th, 2004 in Madrid,
978
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,120
we have to go back ten years…
979
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,200
to 1994.
980
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,080
That was the year when an Al-Qaeda cell
981
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,560
was formed in Spain.
982
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,760
The Al-Qaeda cell in Spain was formed
by people who had military experience
983
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,760
with the Muslim Brotherhood
that had fled Syria.
984
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,480
They left an influential leader
in their place,
985
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,200
and it was Abu Dahdah.
986
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,160
A real cell begins to form
around Abu Dahdah.
987
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,760
They get married to Spanish women
988
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,920
so they can get the citizenship quickly
and their only way of life
989
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,600
is to prepare for the jihad.
990
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,200
This cell carried out
991
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,040
financing, radicalization, and recruiting.
992
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,360
Abu Dahdah travelled
993
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,920
at least 10 or 12 times
a year with the money
994
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,680
they had collected in mosques in Madrid
995
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,800
to give it directly to Abu Qutada
in London.
996
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,480
Two months before September 11,
997
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,000
someone, possibly from Afghanistan,
998
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,920
told Abu Dahdah
that they had entered the aviation field.
999
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,160
The call was in Arabic,
so we asked the translator,
1000
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,800
"What do they mean by aviation field?
1001
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,600
Do they mean they're in an airfield?"
1002
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,760
But the translator would say,
1003
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,400
"No, it means that they have started
to work in the field of aviation."
1004
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:33,640
The Hamburg cell, led by Mohamed Atta,
1005
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,960
had been in touch
with the Spanish Al-Qaeda cell
1006
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,360
led by Abu Dahdah.
1007
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,440
We went to see a judge,
we said, "We believe
1008
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,240
that the cell has somehow participated
or knew about it beforehand.
1009
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,680
And… I think we should stop them."
1010
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,200
The Dátil operation
1011
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,360
that dismantled the Spanish Al-Qaeda
cell was the most important operation
1012
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,640
against Al-Qaeda carried out
in Western Europe
1013
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,000
since the 9/11 attacks.
1014
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,320
Most of Abu Dahdah's
cell members are detained,
1015
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,760
including their leader.
1016
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,080
However, not all the members
of the cell are detained.
1017
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,200
Amer Azizi, originally from Morocco
1018
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,520
and a resident from Madrid,
1019
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,520
was Abu Dahdah's right hand man
in the Spanish Al-Qaeda cell.
1020
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,440
He was going to be detained that day
when Operation Dátil happened.
1021
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,640
But what we didn't know
is that he wasn't there.
1022
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,400
Later on, we found out
he had left to Afghanistan.
1023
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:47,120
He decided to plot revenge against Spain
1024
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,600
because of the operation
that had dismantled
1025
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,560
Abu Dahdah's cell
1026
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,240
that he had belonged to
until November 2001.
1027
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,440
Amer Azizi, from Pakistan, started
1028
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,600
to give orders so that the remaining
members of Abu Dahdah's cell
1029
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,440
that hadn't been detained
would start to meet and create a new cell.
1030
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,800
Amer Azizi takes that decision
in December 2001
1031
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,120
accompanied by a well-known operative
1032
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,280
of the Islamic group fighting in Libya.
1033
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,360
Throughout this process…
1034
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,680
of planification… Amer Azizi
1035
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,520
becomes part of central Al-Qaeda.
1036
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,760
He begins to climb the ranks
1037
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,440
inside the Al-Qaeda organization.
1038
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,240
He's appointed by Osama Bin Laden himself
1039
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,360
as Al-Qaeda's external operations
deputy chief.
1040
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,040
Amer Azizi manages
1041
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,960
to have his plans to carry out
a terrorist attack in Spain
1042
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,560
approved by Al-Qaeda's leaders themselves
1043
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,720
through their external operations command.
1044
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:18,080
In the 11M terrorist network,
there are three main components.
1045
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,840
First, what was left of Abu Dahdah's cell.
1046
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,640
The second component is provided
by the Islamic fighting group from Morocco
1047
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,280
through their Western Europe network.
1048
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,520
And the third component
1049
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,200
is formed by the common criminals
turned jihadists
1050
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,200
that joined in the summer of 2003.
1051
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,640
Thus it would be a great mistake
1052
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,280
to reduce the March 11 network
1053
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,520
to a small group of criminals
radicalized by the Iraq War.
1054
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,640
The trial lasted over six months,
it had over 600 witnesses,
1055
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,440
over 90 expert witnesses, 52 lawyers.
1056
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,640
It was a sentence
that was studying in depth
1057
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,600
every allegation of each of the parties.
1058
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,320
The defendants were not all accused
of the same thing.
1059
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,480
We had a main group that was being accused
of having strictly committed the attacks.
1060
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,400
Others were accused
of belonging to one of the cells.
1061
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:33,160
Others were accused of collaborating,
others of falsifying documents,
1062
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,520
and others
of having provided the explosives.
1063
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,560
In the end, it ended up being
a technically complicated trial.
1064
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,160
The big question was
who was the mastermind
1065
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,880
and why were the attacks
in Madrid planned?
1066
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,320
What was the reason?
1067
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,600
At the trial,
they weren't able to determine
1068
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,760
why there wasn't a clear mastermind
1069
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,200
behind the attacks on March 11.
1070
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,600
We had a warrant for his search and arrest
1071
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,960
regarding his ties to the Madrid cell.
1072
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,400
We weren't able to figure out
where he was.
1073
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,320
Of course we couldn't locate him,
1074
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,840
and thus we weren't able
to prosecute him at that time.
1075
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,720
We got information
that an American drone had struck
1076
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,760
a meeting attended
by high-ranking leaders of Al-Qaeda
1077
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,280
and that when they checked the rubble,
1078
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,440
they found Amer Azizi.
1079
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,800
When Amer Azizi died,
1080
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,640
the missing piece to figure out
1081
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:17,040
how the 2004 attacks
in Madrid were planned
1082
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,040
was given by a document
from US authorities,
1083
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,920
where they detailed how Azizi had died
and whom he was with.
1084
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:33,280
This information was provided
by the United Sates intelligence services
1085
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,840
to Spanish authorities
1086
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,880
in September 2006.
1087
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:45,480
And again, a more detailed briefing
on Amer Azizi
1088
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,800
and his role in jihadist activities
1089
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,040
in Spain on March 11th
1090
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,400
was again provided in September 2007.
1091
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,520
Azizi's relevance was not understood
1092
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,600
until he was killed,
along with his boss Hamza Rabia,
1093
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,400
discrediting the theory that the 11M cell
1094
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:32,320
was composed of radicals inspired
1095
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,200
by the words of Osama Bin Laden
1096
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,120
that wanted to contribute to his fight
without having any connection to him.
1097
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,040
If this had been known
at the time the trial took place,
1098
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,840
the final conclusion
would have been different.
1099
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,520
Azizi is the key piece of the puzzle
1100
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,120
that allows us to understand
everything that has happened
1101
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,080
and understand the reason
and meaning of the attacks.
1102
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,280
The government
didn't have enough empathy
1103
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,920
for the shock Spain's society
was going through.
1104
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,720
If I had been the president
of the government at that time,
1105
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,480
the first thing I would've done
is go to Atocha.
1106
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,680
If Aznar had summoned
1107
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,840
the leaders
of each political party to Moncloa…
1108
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,640
Maybe in an act
of condemnation and solidarity…
1109
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,360
Spain is being attacked.
1110
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:41,800
We are all together,
1111
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,600
and we're going to face this together.
1112
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,160
Whomever the perpetrator is,
1113
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:51,520
they're not confronting the government.
They're confronting the country
1114
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,320
and all its political forces.
1115
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,840
This picture didn't come about.
1116
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,840
We would've all understood,
1117
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,000
and we wouldn't feel like
1118
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,560
we were deceived.
1119
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,840
If at that time the president had asked
all the citizens to remain calm
1120
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,480
that democracy shall remain victorious,
1121
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,200
and that in two days there's an electoral
date, and that they can vote as they like
1122
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,000
as long as everyone goes to vote,
he would've crushingly won the election.
1123
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:55,520
It's a sad date, it's a date that
had a very negative impact
1124
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,280
on the political
and social evolution of Spain, no doubt.
1125
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,520
When we talk about 11M…
1126
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,480
we almost forget
that we're talking about the dead.
1127
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,600
The victims have shown me
the best part of human beings.
1128
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:27,680
Gratefulness.
1129
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,680
Respect and understanding.
1130
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,720
It's something that you learn
to live with. But you never forget.
1131
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:54,760
When someone dies,
1132
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,960
they keep on living in other
people's memories, but it's very hard.
1133
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:00,960
We really miss them.
1134
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,280
I don't want to…
1135
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,920
revictimize myself, I am a survivor
and that's how I see myself.
1136
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,320
I'd like to believe something like this
won't ever happen again,
1137
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,320
but of course
what we must not do is forget.
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