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I know where it was.
- You do?
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Was it?
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Is it gone?
- I think it might be gone.
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It was right here.
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We picked it up,
we touched it.
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- Did you walk with it?
- No.
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- It was not over there.
It's a tin. Can.
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It's gonna be dirty
looking, remember.
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Because remember there was
like a weird line.
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And we made a joke about how
it was sitting right on that line.
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That line is the water, Greg.
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You found it?
- Maybe.
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Wait you found it?
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Be careful with those
logs, Greg.
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- I don't know if it's it.
- I can tell.
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It has that creek. Let's see.
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I think that's it! That's it!
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It's behind that
pillar?
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- This?
- I think that's it, right?
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That is it, yes.
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- This is the one?
- Yeah.
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About three months after
getting back from shooting
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Hellier Season One,
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I'm watching one of
the early cuts.
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With our Season One
cameraman, Rashad.
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And it looks at me and he says
"isn't it a little weird that
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it never occurred to any
of us
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to grab the tin can from
the tunnel?
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And my brain just
kind of melted.
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I mean, we literally run
the Travelling Museum of
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the Paranormal and
the Occult.
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There is no reason why,
as curators of that museum,
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Greg and I just wouldn't have
tucked it away in the backpack.
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It makes literally zero sense.
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I don't know why that
didn't happen, we had
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plenty of time to take it
we looked at it,
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we kicked it around, it
was really weird
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that we didn't take it.
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Not a single one of us
had thought about that
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for months.
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So with two days left to go,
we got in the car and we drove
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to Hellier.
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It's weird, I think
back a lot to that moment.
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And it felt like we were
ghosts there.
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Like we were still sort of there in some
way, but we were these
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ghosts that kind of just exist in that
space now.
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And I really felt that, as if we
were walking in our own footsteps.
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Strand had not been to Hellier
before, and wanted to see what it
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was all about.
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And so we decided let's go see
"David's house."
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It was really strange to us that we
couldn't find it the last time
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we were there, but while Karl was
editing he was able to scrub
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through the footage and find
the address on the mailbox.
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So with the exact address it
was really easy to go out to the spot.
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And when we got there...
everything made sense to us.
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This was the place right here.
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Ok, stop.
- It's fucking gone.
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- Is it burned?
- It burned.
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- It burned down.
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- Wow, it's gone!
- It's gone!
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The reason that we
could not find David's house
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is because
it had burned to the ground.
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We had probably driven right
past it and didn't even realize it.
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Hellier comes out.
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I mean our case, what we have been
working on for the last year.
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Something that has been in process
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for almost half a decade now.
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Will be revealed to the public.
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And now we're literally sending the
biggest signal.
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We're releasing the project.
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Obviously I hope someone out there
knows who David is,
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I hope somebody out there knows
who Terry is,
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I hope Terry and David see Hellier.
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I hope they see the project
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and that it's enough to make
them reach out to us.
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I hope people who have had
similar experiences to David's
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reach out to us.
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I hope people who maybe have
an expertise that we don't have
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reach out to us.
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I hope the public helps, I hope
they assist.
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I think we're going to get
interesting leads
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out of finally making this thing public.
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All we can do is hope.
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Greg and Dana Newkirk are a part of
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a new YouTube series called "Hellier"
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It's a five part series that you can pull
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up, and I can honestly say after catching
it about a week ago,
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it's very impressive.
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And what a great documentary it is,
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it's incredibly refreshing. I mean this
is a story that we've been covering
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on the show over a few years
or so, we've spoken to Greg
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and Dana about it in the past,
we've covered some of their
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blog posts about it.
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I had no idea how good it was
going to be.
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- It's dropping today.
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I've been watching it on YouTube,
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it's called "Hellier."
Hellier!
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- It was created by Greg and Dana
Newkirk, and I want to say it
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is a breath of fresh air in the world
of paranormal activity,
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docu-series, where you really get to
see what it's like to watch four people
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go down the rabbit hole of
high strangeness...
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I'm already making a plan to binge
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watch, and if it's anything like
the trailer looks,
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you might as well just binge
watch it and stay up until
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5 AM anyway.
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This is a well-produced, creepy film
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that delves into UFOlogical topics
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I never thought I'd see in a documentary
aimed at a broad paranormal audience.
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I'm calling it right now, this
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film series is essential.
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It's essential viewing, it's essential
to our understanding I believe
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of everything weird..."
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It was everywhere. People
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were responding to it in a
way that I never could have
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anticipated.
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"Hellier" basically goes... viral.
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Everyone is talking about
this project.
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In ways we... we still struggle
to understand, I think.
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We start to get tons of emails.
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But it was a ton of information,
it was a lot of people. Specifically from
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the Kentucky area who were reaching
out to us to say
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"weird shit is happening here too."
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You know they were letting us know,
"I'm experiencing this stuff, my family
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has experienced this stuff, people in
my community have experienced
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this stuff. It's happening here.
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And it's really cool that I finally
have something I can point
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people towards."
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"I found a three-toed footprint,
or I saw a UFO in this area,"
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or "I have a friend who saw
these weird creatures in mineshafts."
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All of these people start to reach out
about the stories they have had,
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The blogs started to pick it up.
The UFO crowd then started to
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chime in on the case.
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People who knew the cipher start
to pick up on "Hellier."
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And they start to send us their reads
on some of the emails.
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To us, we were seeing people
who have no knowledge
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of what we were on to
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were starting to get so close
to where we were,
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we knew that there was something
to the cipher. It was working.
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This guy named John emails Greg,
because he did a cipher 11
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analysis on the Terry Wriste
emails.
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But some guy sat down and put a
whole bunch of cipher values.
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And literally found the word
"ash" out of the Terry Wriste email.
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A lot of his analysis kinda
pulls out words related to the case,
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and kind of reconfigures them
in interesting ways.
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And kind of draws conclusions
from it.
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But one of the most interesting
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and telling parts of that,
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was his analysis of Wriste's
misspelling of the word
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"window" into "wind" and""
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"Ow" equals "ash."
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He found that very significant
because the words around it
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added up to "Indrid Cold" and
"John Keel."
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So he thought that "ash"
was some sort of a significant
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connection to those two names,
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and he started looking up towns
with the word "Ash" in them.
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And he was just looked in
the wrong direction. He was finding
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a bunch of different towns with
the word "ash" in the name...
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and thinking those were the towns.
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He just never looked at Ashland.
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They keep going
the wrong direction.
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But it was so strange that those
even popped up.
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That this guy found it through
the email. Through a cipher.
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The Ashland stuff is particularly
strange.
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There was a night where there was
basically a synchronicity
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storm. And it hit all of these
people on social media at once.
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And I got a message on Twitter
from a guy named Chad
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who really got into the first
season of Hellier
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and was doing a deep dive
trying himself to find
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the place that Indrid Cold
and Terry met.
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He was talking to me about how
he was frustrated because he
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found all of this information from
the other clues that Terry gives.
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But he couldn't quite find a
Wagon Wheel restaurant.
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And the only Wagon Wheel
that he could remember,
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is a Wagon Wheel restaurant in a
town that he used to spend time in
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called Ashland, Ohio.
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Not Ashland Kentucky, which is
the location, but Ashland, Ohio.
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So Chad was having a synchronicity
himself without realizing it.
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But then later that same night,
Greg is listening to a podcast
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roundtable discussing "Hellier."
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And they just start talking about
hanging out at the
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Wagon Wheel when they were
younger.
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I spent a lot of time
during the summer as a kid
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just hanging out
at the Dixie Mart near my house.
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- No doubt, yeah I hung out
at the Wagon Wheel, dude.
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- I was at Taco Bell.
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It was just a throwaway line,
it had nothing to do with
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the interview with Terry.
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It had nothing to do with "Hellier",
it was just something they
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were talking about.
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That same night, Andy Colvin,
the editor of
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"Flying Saucer to the Center
of Your Mind",
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which was such a big part of our
Hellier research
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reaches out, and says "hey, I
have information
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I'll send you about Indrid
Cold's house.
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I found Indrid Cold's house.
I think I did.
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Now, it was not the same place.
It was based on different texts.
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But the fact that that came in at
the same time all of these
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Ashland syncs were happening,
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and that it had to do with Indrid
Cold's house, it was so pointed.
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It was hard to ignore.
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There were a lot of people who
became really invested in "Hellier",
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who really enjoyed it.
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But the people I did not expect to hear
from so much, was the
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occult community. There were Occultists
and people invested in
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magic and witchcraft, who saw something
in "Hellier."
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When we realized how invested
occultists had become,
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in "Hellier's" story, was when things
got really, really strange.
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At one point, Greg forwarded me
an email from January 23rd.
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That email was the starting point
of a huge change in
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perspective about this phenomena.
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His name is Jeff Ritzmann. And he
sends me this email
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with a very intriguing subject
heading that says
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"David and Terry are Sigils."
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And he lays out this whole idea
that he thinks
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someone is doing some sort of
magic ritual.
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And that Terry and David are ideas.
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And they're meant for people to
see them and feel something.
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What he essentially says is that
"Hellier" as a whole is some sort
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of a hyper-sigil.
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The case itself is a hyper sigil.
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Potentially even the documentary that
we're making
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is part of this magic working.
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I thought that that was really
interesting.
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That was really compelling.
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But what I think made it more
compelling was that he introduced
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the concept, to me, of liminality,
marginality, and anti-structure.
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A lot of what he's talking about is
drawn from the work of a
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parapsychologist by the name
of George P. Hansen.
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And he wrote a book called
"The Trickster and the Paranormal."
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These are anthropological concepts
that George Hansen applied
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to the paranormal. No one had
ever done that before.
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And he found a lot of
consistencies.
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And that just started showing
up everywhere.
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We started to recognize it
everywhere.
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We were talking about it this
whole time and didn't know it.
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And those seem like big, heady words. But
what he's really laying out is this
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idea that in-between states,
marginalized people,
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and disarray
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tend to manifest paranormal
activity.
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Liminality just means a state
of being in-between,
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it's kind of a transitionary
state that's neither here nor there.
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I've never
seen the mothman as like a sinister thing.
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I've almost seen it more as
like a signifier of change.
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The teenage state, of being
in-between. Like, severe...
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Not a child, not an adult.
- ...marginality and in-between.
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- Poltergeist activity happens to little
girls going through puberty most often.
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- Exactly. What are the most haunted
places in the world?
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They're hotels, they're prisons,
hospitals, asylums, train stations,
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places where people are moving,
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When people start to build on a house,
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they make an addition or they're tearing
part of the house down,
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paranormal activity tends
to manifest,
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they start to see ghosts.
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They start to experience
poltergeist activity
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because the house is in a liminal
state, it's not quite finished.
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- Even railroad tracks.
- Highways, bridges, borders.
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There's a trend I started
to notice, of bridges and borders.
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The bridge is going from one place to
another. It's a transition
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type of place.
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Marginality is people or
places or things that exist kind of
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on the fringes of society.
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They're kind of pushed to the outside,
kind of looked at sideways a little bit.
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Even when we first got the
emails from Amy
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one of the things that we talked about
was that she was a marginalized person.
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So obviously she's not... she's an
ostracized part
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of the community already.
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Yeah but that's what I mean.
- So the police wouldn't take her
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seriously anyway.
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- My personal thoughts on that
is that I would find that as more evidence
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rather than the lack thereof.
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Yeah. I actually agree.
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- I find credibility in the type
of person that she is
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because of that.
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We've been digging into these people
involved in this case
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and how many of them have such
horrible backstories.
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Criminal activity, all that stuff.
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It's almost like the
phenomena attracts to it.
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Well I think that's an interesting
point because you rarely ever see
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a like really nice, midwestern housewife
possessed by a demon. You see somebody
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whose life is in chaos.
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They're hoarders, they're criminals,
they're people that have attracted
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a weird supernatural element to them
because of the way that they live.
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And antistructure just means what it
sounds like. It's not structured,
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it's chaotic.
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So you bring in liminality and
marginality through
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all of the main characters in the
Hellier case.
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You've got the Hopkinsville goblin
family who were carnies.
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You have David who was marginalized
within his community
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by the people who lived there and
he literally just moved to that house
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and was settling into that house in
an in-between physical state.
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It's not even necessarily a mental
state, it's like literally
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being in-between living in
one place and another.
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- Absolutely.
- And then you have Amy,
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who was literally living in
a trailer in Somerset, Kentucky.
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A moveable, liminal state.
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And the phenomena is reaching
out to her.
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Once something solid is gained,
the high strangeness doesn't
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seem to follow those types of
people.
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It follows the people who
are in between.
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So we're in the winter months,
we can't really go and film
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anything right now.
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The winter months are Dana and
I's time off.
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That's when we really don't
have anything going on, and so
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all I can do is dwell, and think on
this case, and think about what
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we're going to do about
everything.
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Greg and I run the Travelling
Museum of the Paranormal
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and the Occult
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and we have a Patreon that involves
museum members.
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And so one of the things that we
like to do
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is we'll do live investigations.
And we stream them to the
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museum group.
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So sometimes we'll go to haunted
locations, or if we get new
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objects we'll do experiments
with them.
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But they're all streamed live to
that group of Patreon subscribers.
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Hey everybody
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guess where we are?
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So we thought, "well let's go do
a live investigation at the tunnel
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where we found the tin can.
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And we'll just see what we see."
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There's a few things we want
to attempt.
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This is the first investigation
we've done here since we
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were here in 2017.
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Careful with the beam
there, Greg.
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I'm going to put the can in your hands
after a few minutes.
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Ok.
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It takes three of us.
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There's three of us here.
What do we need to do?
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- I just heard um...
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Three tones that went
boo, boo, boo.
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Use the sounds.
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That was music... it sounded like.
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You figured it out.
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Who is Terry Wriste?
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Use... tone.
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Use the tone?
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In the space.
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Or... in the through, it was like...
you found it, you found it.
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- Use the tones.
- Where is the space to use
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the tones?
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- Sound. Bing bing.
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- Bing bing.
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What is that tone? I wish
we like knew a specific--
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- It's playing tones.
- Man.
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- Bing, bing, bing.
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Say it for me. That was loud.
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the bings]
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Right. Bing bing.
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- You did it.
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Very good.
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Do you have more tones?
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There's always been this
thing about sound...
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- Make it.
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Make a... make a...
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Make something.
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Bing bing.
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Bing, bing, bing.
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- This is Dana, I'm just going to say
this now so that I don't forget,
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I feel like we're supposed to make
something that plays those tones.
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Ok.
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I think that's what I'm trying to...
what they're trying to tell me.
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Or that vibration?
It said yep yep, you made it.
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You make it.
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- So here's what's so interesting
about that. I believe I talked to
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Karl about this one day, but he
was even stumbling on research
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- talking about how things opened up.
- A door.
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- A door,
would literally open up
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when you play certain sounds.
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A way through.
- A way through.
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- With vibration.
[Tyler[ With vibrations, yes!
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- Bing, bing, bing.
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Bing, bing, bing.
So I've literally come across...
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It sounds so weird!
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- I have literally come across reports
talking about people being in caverns,
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singing a song or
hearing music
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and something opens up.
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They'll see something step out.
- Build it.
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- Build it, build sounds!
- Make it.
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It's like chanting, vibrations
opening up doorways.
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underground.
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- Doorways underground.
- Bing, bing, bing.
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- Like that.
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This is unbelievable.
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We have to do that.
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Bing bing bing
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Bing bing bing
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I enjoy this.
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00:24:55,617 --> 00:24:56,460
- Again
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You got a handle on it.
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00:25:02,209 --> 00:25:03,602
It's so clear right now!
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00:25:03,637 --> 00:25:04,995
My God, we've gotta
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Dana] You've got it
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Play those sounds.
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- Ok, Three, Two, One
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Go faster tempo, again.
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- Good.
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00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:26,533
My God!
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So if we build a device
that makes those
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- Star sounds.
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- Star sounds.
- If we build a device that
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makes those noises and we bring it
in, or take it somewhere,
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where do we take it?
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- Vibration.
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Where do we need to use that?
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A way through.
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Constant.
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Wait. Do we have to play
it constantly?
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- Bing, bing, bing.
It keeps doing it now.
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00:26:09,817 --> 00:26:11,106
Bing, bing, bing.
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00:26:12,696 --> 00:26:15,446
- All... always.
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Always.
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- Bing, bing, bing.
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Where do we use this?
That's the question.
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We're a bit overwhelmed at the
moment.
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- In the space between.
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In the space between.
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The space between.
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- One part...
- I couldn't make that up.
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- Where's the second one?
- Telephone.
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One part of a telephone...
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One part of a telephone?
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- He's calling.
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00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:55,739
He's calling?
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How do we answer?
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- The dead one.
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00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:05,211
- Woah. That was something big.
- What was that?
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00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:09,879
What was that?
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00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:15,973
- Don't trust Jack.
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Or Dale.
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00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:21,347
Don't trust Jack or Dale.
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00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,676
Don't trust Jack or Dale...
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00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:27,103
Well that's really... specific.
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00:27:27,138 --> 00:27:28,103
Yeah.
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00:27:28,104 --> 00:27:29,614
- Or Doug.
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00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:30,858
Or Doug?!
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00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:33,685
Fuck.
436
00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:37,237
Who's Doug?
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00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,671
Who's Jack?
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00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,014
- Coyote.
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00:27:58,218 --> 00:27:59,601
Coyote... my god.
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00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,556
- My god.
- A trickster.
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00:28:03,723 --> 00:28:05,233
A trickster entity.
442
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:09,520
- What was the sound again?
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00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:11,404
What did she say?
444
00:28:11,439 --> 00:28:13,083
What was the sound again?
445
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:17,361
- Good.
446
00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:18,282
Good.
447
00:28:18,317 --> 00:28:19,120
- Good.
448
00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:20,775
Unbelievable!
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00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:24,874
- Make the tones.
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00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,457
Bing, bing, bing!
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00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:33,035
- The telephone
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00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:36,299
Do you hear that?
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00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,263
We're hearing more
noises behind us.
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00:28:38,298 --> 00:28:39,258
- Do the work.
455
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:43,599
Do the work. We're trying.
Trying our best, our damndest.
456
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,190
Thank you for talking to us.
- Do the work.
457
00:28:51,225 --> 00:28:52,857
- We'll do the work. We are.
458
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:55,858
- Build it. Don't quit!
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00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:58,192
- We're not.
- We're never gonna quit.
460
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:00,620
- Don't stop.
461
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,485
I'm never gonna stop.
462
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:06,159
Ok thank you.
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00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:08,159
We'll talk again soon.
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00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,169
- Be strong.
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00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:18,513
I felt like that
live investigation actually
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ended up being more important
than I initially thought it would be.
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00:29:22,051 --> 00:29:25,261
I thought that we would go back
and experience the same kind
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of feeling, and maybe get a few more
interesting pieces of information.
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00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:33,872
But I didn't think that going into
it we would have this task
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that we then would kind of have
to undertake at that point.
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00:29:37,233 --> 00:29:41,403
And we have to like either...
make something that will play
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00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:44,744
those sounds... at a certain point I
thought that we were supposed
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to be playing the sounds all at once.
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00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:48,202
- Mmhm
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00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:50,583
- Like bing, bing, bing, but like
all at once.
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00:29:50,618 --> 00:29:52,120
Each one of those tones.
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00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:55,793
Oooh... interesting.
Because that would make a more...
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Like a harmonic.
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00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:58,917
- ... complete noise.
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00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:01,014
Like I felt like there were...
481
00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:03,549
- Then play it because there
would be a "wooop" constantly,
482
00:30:03,551 --> 00:30:04,476
play it constantly you said.
483
00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:06,561
That's EXACTLY
what that means!
484
00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:09,676
So we have to take those three
notes and put them together
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Constantly, as in unison.
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00:30:13,394 --> 00:30:16,774
I totally think that they
were trying to say, don't play
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00:30:16,809 --> 00:30:18,490
them as like ding ding ding,
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But play them all at once, in a
harmony but constantly.
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00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:26,319
And it'll help open something.
Vibrationally.
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00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:29,544
Wait, I just remembered a
phrase that is so obvious,
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00:30:29,702 --> 00:30:32,622
there was a phrase you said,
you go "it takes three."
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It takes three of you.
493
00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:35,286
My god you're right!
Three of you!
494
00:30:35,291 --> 00:30:37,461
Three of you!
It takes three of you doing it!
495
00:30:37,496 --> 00:30:41,090
Yeah, three notes.
496
00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:43,934
I think the notes, more
than anything,
497
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,512
excited the hell out of me.
Because now it gave us
498
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:51,273
something to use inside
of the caves.
499
00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:53,138
It felt revelatory.
500
00:30:53,142 --> 00:30:57,145
There's so many tales, alone,
of doorways opening up.
501
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:01,148
People encountering these strange
creatures saying that
502
00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:04,650
a door would open in a
solid layer of rock, and they would walk
503
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:06,454
through and it would just seal up.
504
00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:11,739
We left the entire investigation thinking
ok, we need to build something that
505
00:31:11,744 --> 00:31:16,958
makes these noises and we need
to somehow use them in a particular place.
506
00:31:16,993 --> 00:31:22,173
So to hear that come through an Estes
session was both very intriguing,
507
00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:24,631
and slightly concerning.
508
00:31:24,632 --> 00:31:30,602
Simply because we don't really know who
or what is telling us
509
00:31:30,637 --> 00:31:32,307
to open this doorway.
510
00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:43,648
And then, we get an email
from a guy who claims
511
00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:45,821
that he met Terry Wriste.
512
00:31:45,945 --> 00:31:49,485
Well here's one more, I'll throw
one more by you, you can chew on,
513
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:53,874
might have a lead on somebody
who knows Terry Wriste.
514
00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:57,174
yeah.
515
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:01,498
You will when you hear it,
it's the fucking...
516
00:32:01,502 --> 00:32:03,712
Here will you hold this for
a second? Let me grab this email.
517
00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:05,213
It's the fucking guy.
518
00:32:05,214 --> 00:32:10,101
- Connor, what you're about to
hear is... so insane.
519
00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:14,176
I was initially very skeptical
because we were expecting, and have
520
00:32:14,182 --> 00:32:17,901
received emails from people
who are claiming different things.
521
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:22,936
People have created fake Facebook
profiles for people like Terry and David.
522
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:26,401
It's something we naturally expect
as a side effect.
523
00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:29,704
So this is the title of the email:
524
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:33,739
"Terry Wriste was very much a real
person and that may have been his name."
525
00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:38,796
Thursday. February 21st, 2019.
6:38 P.M.
526
00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:43,631
"Wriste is a Tennessee name. It originates
around the Cumberland Plateau.
527
00:32:43,666 --> 00:32:46,168
If you check the social security
death index you should see
528
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,806
Wriste as a name that has died in
Kentucky or Tennessee.
529
00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:51,931
It's more common towards Nashville,
Memphis, and towards Fort Campbell
530
00:32:51,966 --> 00:32:53,603
area of Tennessee and Kentucky.
531
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:57,928
Now, how I know this and my memories
of Terry Wriste:"
532
00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:03,154
This guy Von lays out this story about
how he met Terry when he was a kid.
533
00:33:03,189 --> 00:33:08,737
And that this guy left such an impression
on him, that he
534
00:33:08,772 --> 00:33:11,236
remembers it pretty clearly
all these years later.
535
00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:15,533
He said it happened in the mid to late
90's, and he met him
536
00:33:15,568 --> 00:33:19,827
when he was going to shoot guns
with one of his dad's friends.
537
00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:24,291
"In the 70's. western North Carolina,
east Georgia, and Tennessee became
538
00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:27,303
havens for fringe groups we call
militia-type.
539
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:32,071
The most prominent in my area was
led by a guy from Maine named Nord Davis.
540
00:33:32,106 --> 00:33:36,805
In the 70's, he and around 8 families moved
in. And until the very early 90's
541
00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:40,806
when Nord finally became sick, they
would only deal in silver and gold
542
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:43,208
and that's how they bought their
land and anything they owned.
543
00:33:43,243 --> 00:33:45,606
Nord would also bring in speakers
and people he'd meet on the
544
00:33:45,641 --> 00:33:47,281
gun show circuit.
545
00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:51,396
My dad worked at a place which
made gear cases for outboard motors.
546
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:54,494
It was a manufacturing plant.
When I went up there one weekend
547
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:56,950
to deliver the equipment for
cutting and rolling hay
548
00:33:56,951 --> 00:33:59,911
we ran into a Vietnam vet and
his friend Terry.
549
00:33:59,912 --> 00:34:02,872
Terry had been a tunnel rat
in Vietnam.
550
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:07,214
Because Charlie used the tunnel
systems, they'd send a man of
551
00:34:07,249 --> 00:34:09,671
smaller build into the
suspected VC tunnels with a
552
00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:13,762
hand grenade, a combat knife,
and usually two 1911 pistols.
553
00:34:13,797 --> 00:34:17,010
The object was to crawl like
a rat through the tunnel,
554
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:19,683
kill a sentry, shoot to cause
commotion or shoot to kill,
555
00:34:19,718 --> 00:34:22,025
and then throw the hand
grenade and leave.
556
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:26,730
Terry maintained that he
encountered not only VC down there,
557
00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:28,731
but other anomalous beings.
558
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,783
Spider-like creatures, little men,
etc.
559
00:34:31,818 --> 00:34:34,412
This is odd because since 2010,
560
00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,831
as the tunnel rats have gradually
been dying off,
561
00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:41,406
more have shared stories of running into
huge man-sized spiders or goblin-like
562
00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:42,662
creatures in the tunnels.
563
00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:46,173
And that the tunnels were actually
constructed by the goblins,
564
00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,051
but enlarged by the Viet Cong.
565
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:51,956
Terry spoke at Northpointe teams,
did a firearms demo,
566
00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:55,216
and that was the last I ever
heard of him.
567
00:34:55,251 --> 00:34:58,468
I remember speaking to him
around 1993-1995."
568
00:34:58,471 --> 00:35:01,721
Seems like a prime time right there,
that's when Greenfield would have
569
00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:02,774
talked to him.
570
00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:06,899
"I know the Wriste name comes from the
area I described, I know people with
571
00:35:06,934 --> 00:35:08,071
that last name.
572
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,896
I had students with that last name."
573
00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:14,649
A day later he emails this little tidbit:
574
00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:18,994
"Whether intentional or not, Terry
misidentifies counties and locations
575
00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:20,333
in North Georgia.
576
00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:24,618
For example, "Deliverance" was shot
and set in Rayburn County, Georgia
577
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:25,922
not White County.
578
00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:29,837
The large gorge he refers to is either
Habersham or Stevens County.
579
00:35:29,872 --> 00:35:31,166
Not White County."
580
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,875
I'm still not convinced that's his
actual name, but
581
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:36,974
this guy sounds like he met Terry.
582
00:35:37,009 --> 00:35:41,854
I loved it! The Vaughn email drove
me wild.
583
00:35:41,889 --> 00:35:48,099
I loved everything about it.
It painted such a perfect portrait
584
00:35:48,104 --> 00:35:53,533
of Terry Wriste, where he fit
like a puzzle piece that made sense.
585
00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:59,028
Saying he was a tunnel rat or he was
experiencing all these things in Vietnam
586
00:35:59,031 --> 00:36:04,411
and developing these personality traits
that ended up leading him down this path
587
00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:07,505
of hunting monsters, I think was
fantastic.
588
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:11,342
I don't know if we believed it right
away but it
589
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:17,007
was something that totally piqued
my fascination with this story.
590
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:23,308
It started to place Terry Wriste in the
realm that he may have been a real person.
591
00:36:23,343 --> 00:36:27,846
When you're dealing with people who
send you emails about cases that
592
00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:29,602
you're actively working on,
593
00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:33,114
I think it's healthiest to usually
approach them
594
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,937
with a healthy amount of
skepticism. And I
595
00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:43,664
initially allowed myself to be
excited about the email from Vaughn,
596
00:36:43,699 --> 00:36:47,253
but at the same time I kind of
pulled myself back and
597
00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:51,788
allowed myself to also think
"maybe this is just a person who is
598
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:57,013
trying to get us excited or toss
himself into the conversation.
599
00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:02,218
And that I think is the healthiest
place for me to kind of come at a lot of
600
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,640
those types of emails that do tend to
get our attention.
601
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:10,981
And definitely go into the pile of emails
that are ones that we
602
00:37:11,016 --> 00:37:12,228
need to actively pursue.
603
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:16,230
And I'm exchanging emails with him
and they're just getting more detailed.
604
00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:19,827
I really start to think...
this is our guy.
605
00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:25,242
This is the Terry that we're looking for.
This guy met Terry Wriste.
606
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:29,663
"We drove a short distance to GM and
to his BIL gun range.
607
00:37:29,664 --> 00:37:32,006
A guy was waiting for him that had
a military jeep.
608
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:39,011
It was something like a 517 or a 715,
or a 175 military jeep pickup.
609
00:37:39,046 --> 00:37:42,446
He had a box built into the back that
was basically a gun safe,
610
00:37:42,481 --> 00:37:45,623
and he could hide it by pulling a
piece of metal over the safe
611
00:37:45,658 --> 00:37:48,766
and it just looked like the back
of a truck bed was there.
612
00:37:48,801 --> 00:37:50,900
He had a safe full of garands.
613
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:55,105
He had a Texas-built Springfield M1A that
had been converted to select fire.
614
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:59,356
He had an M1 carbine that was an M2
configuration with the select fire.
615
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,871
He had more semi-autos and had
a Colt 1911 and Beretta 92's
616
00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:08,366
and the rarest thing he had was an S&W
76 that was built for special forces.
617
00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:11,369
I remember telling him
"Hello Mr. Reiss"
618
00:38:11,372 --> 00:38:15,633
He told me his name was "Wriste",
pronounced "Ree-st."
619
00:38:15,668 --> 00:38:19,878
The name stuck with me, but I
never thought Terry Wriste being
620
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,300
pronounced "Terry Wriste", being like
terrorist. It did not hit me as a pun.
621
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,222
While we were loading magazines,
he went to his jeep and got a case
622
00:38:28,257 --> 00:38:29,563
of no-name ketchup.
623
00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:33,728
He put up fresh targets, then he put up
the bottles of ketchup anywhere he could.
624
00:38:33,763 --> 00:38:37,768
So he comes back, and he fires one
shot into a ketchup bottle.
625
00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:41,533
He laughed and said "that's how you
take the lid off a communist."
626
00:38:41,568 --> 00:38:44,987
He puts the M1A in full auto,
627
00:38:44,989 --> 00:38:49,199
and he could just barely control it.
Mowing down those bottles of ketchup.
628
00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:54,081
"Tell you what, seeing those ketchup tops
pop is like watching Charlie lose his
629
00:38:54,116 --> 00:38:58,251
head permanent. Reminds me of being
a tunnel rat. I feel like fighting."
630
00:38:58,252 --> 00:39:00,462
He seemed like a different person.
631
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:04,111
I asked GM later what Terry Wriste
did for a living.
632
00:39:04,146 --> 00:39:07,760
GM said he was partially service
connected disability.
633
00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:10,642
He always had guns and he followed
the gun show circuit
634
00:39:10,677 --> 00:39:12,139
and sold pamphlets.
635
00:39:12,141 --> 00:39:15,443
He claimed to like spelunking.
He said he was a river rat.
636
00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:19,188
Loved the rivers. He listed off every
major river in the region,
637
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:24,360
including some most people didn't like
because they were too far
638
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:25,862
back in the boonies."
639
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:28,115
We should talk to him.
640
00:39:30,743 --> 00:39:33,453
- I mean, he looks like he's super down
to talk, the guy is even talking about
641
00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:35,713
getting stuff notarized,
he's serious about it.
642
00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:38,878
The reason I wanted to pursue the email
from Vaughn,
643
00:39:38,913 --> 00:39:43,376
these details about Terry, was because
644
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:48,721
it was the best lead that we had on
Terry outside of Allen Greenfield.
645
00:39:48,756 --> 00:39:51,219
This guy knew something.
646
00:39:55,059 --> 00:40:00,899
What was the detail about
"Hellier" that made you say
647
00:40:00,934 --> 00:40:02,438
"I need to email these guys?"
648
00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:03,616
Wriste.
649
00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:08,701
It was like being sixteen and
being creeped out again by Wriste.
650
00:40:08,736 --> 00:40:12,737
The fact that somebody had written
about him,
651
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:16,712
he was claiming to go into caves
and blow things up.
652
00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:21,801
And there was this very strange person
I met when I was younger.
653
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:30,810
And it was... it was actually kind
of an uncomfortable moment.
654
00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:34,845
The first thing that I noticed about Vaughn,
was that he seemed frightened.
655
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:40,309
Fear was very palpable. And there was
a reason that he was that frightened.
656
00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:43,030
And that isn't very comforting.
657
00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:46,775
Was he a tunnel rat?
- He was a sapper.
658
00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:51,737
A combat engineer. And apparently
part of what his duties was, was he
659
00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:54,200
was a tunnel rat. That's what he said.
660
00:40:54,201 --> 00:40:56,293
And he had the build for it.
661
00:40:56,328 --> 00:40:59,788
He was not a particularly tall
person, he was about 5'7"
662
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:06,050
I think if he had boots on, which
he did, he'd be about 5'8".
663
00:41:06,085 --> 00:41:11,756
He was very thin, but he was
exceptionally strong.
664
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,060
He was a volatile person. He was
exceptionally intelligent,
665
00:41:17,095 --> 00:41:18,927
he was well-read.
666
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:24,064
And he was surprised to find a kid
in the mountains who could talk to him.
667
00:41:24,099 --> 00:41:29,244
Knew what the Apocrypha was, knew
about Gnostic texts, hidden text.
668
00:41:29,279 --> 00:41:32,236
And he was interested in that.
669
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,829
He was interested in how much I knew.
And he wasn't going to give me any
670
00:41:35,864 --> 00:41:40,456
new information, he was seeing
what I knew that he could gain.
671
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:51,553
Honestly, I read some of it and I
can't remember any of it.
672
00:41:51,588 --> 00:41:55,352
I mean I've looked at doing
ciphers before,
673
00:41:55,387 --> 00:42:00,887
and I've wondered if it was just
an esoteric way of doing rituals,
674
00:42:00,893 --> 00:42:05,153
and then I saw in there that he was
talking about blowing up...
675
00:42:05,188 --> 00:42:08,937
and I said "that's the same
son of a bitch that I met."
676
00:42:08,943 --> 00:42:14,413
Because he did say that he
encountered things in Vietnam
677
00:42:14,448 --> 00:42:17,986
that we would consider cryptids.
678
00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:23,623
This man was erudite, he was
intelligent, he was unstable.
679
00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:27,384
He clearly did not like the
government.
680
00:42:27,419 --> 00:42:31,719
And he had... he didn't refer to
it as magic,
681
00:42:31,754 --> 00:42:34,505
he said "I have interest
in esoterica."
682
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:37,561
He said "it's been part of
a line of work."
683
00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:45,306
- So you're fairly certain that Wriste,
pronounced "Reest", was his actual name?
684
00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:50,443
Yep. That's what... well he said
"this is my real driver's license."
685
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:55,948
- And he said "look at these others",
and he was really proud of the fact that
686
00:42:55,983 --> 00:42:58,698
he had gotten one over
on the government.
687
00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:05,461
It is strange though that Allen Greenfield
says that Terry Wriste is a fake name.
688
00:43:05,496 --> 00:43:08,287
And Vaughn says it's not.
689
00:43:08,294 --> 00:43:13,264
And at first I think, well that's strange.
Maybe they're not the same person.
690
00:43:13,299 --> 00:43:17,007
But I know that when I was concealing
David's name,
691
00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:20,813
I was still calling him David.
692
00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:24,138
Sometimes the easiest place to hide
is right in plain sight.
693
00:43:25,436 --> 00:43:28,436
I've read about how psychologists
evaluate people.
694
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:32,741
Well, he wasn't interested in making
a psychological evaluation.
695
00:43:32,776 --> 00:43:36,276
He was interested in seeing what your
beliefs were, what your commitment
696
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,455
to them was, and
697
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:42,580
what knowledge you had, were you
on the same wavelength as him.
698
00:43:42,615 --> 00:43:48,378
Did you have knowledge that he could
get out of you
699
00:43:48,413 --> 00:43:51,875
and he not give up exactly what
he was doing.
700
00:43:51,879 --> 00:43:54,299
He would have been an expert
poker player.
701
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,023
Do you want to hear them?
702
00:44:12,566 --> 00:44:18,316
He used every inappropriate
comment you could make
703
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:22,662
towards... he even called them
"Orientals" when he was being civil,
704
00:44:22,697 --> 00:44:26,580
ok? And even at that time that
wasn't appropriate.
705
00:44:26,615 --> 00:44:30,250
- Did you ever hear him use
the word "sluf"?
706
00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:32,760
- Yes.
707
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:35,545
- No.
You heard him say that word, sluf?
708
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:36,339
- Yeah.
709
00:44:36,882 --> 00:44:41,930
But, see when he was out there
and he was shooting,
710
00:44:41,965 --> 00:44:46,979
he did use that, but he was talking...
he used so many
711
00:44:47,014 --> 00:44:48,385
different expletives,
712
00:44:48,394 --> 00:44:51,114
and he was angry about so
many different things.
713
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:58,990
Do you think Terry would be happy
that we're trying so hard to find him?
714
00:44:59,025 --> 00:45:01,277
I think he'd get a kick out of it.
715
00:45:01,281 --> 00:45:04,750
- Yeah? Find out who he really is?
716
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:08,705
Don't think he'd like the idea
necessarily of finding who he really is.
717
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:13,376
But the idea that "I'm still out there
and I'm still in circulation"?
718
00:45:13,627 --> 00:45:15,457
He'd get a kick out of that.
719
00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:21,047
So my, my concern with what we're
doing right now...
720
00:45:25,139 --> 00:45:29,179
I think we're all on the same page
where we don't really want to,
721
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:31,477
we don't want to dox Terry.
722
00:45:31,478 --> 00:45:33,438
We don't want to
723
00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:40,362
we don't want to tell people "his name
is Joe Brown and he lives in this place"
724
00:45:40,397 --> 00:45:41,286
right?
725
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:45,621
I think we're trying to find him because
we have questions we want to ask him.
726
00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:47,710
He had roots in Kentucky.
727
00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:51,285
He wasn't going to come out
and openly say that.
728
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,674
But he knew too much about Kentucky.
729
00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:59,169
Too much about where things were,
what was going on,
730
00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:00,883
the history.
731
00:46:01,216 --> 00:46:06,806
After he had left, I actually said
732
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:11,690
"is there a chance I'm going to run
into that guy again?"
733
00:46:11,725 --> 00:46:13,475
What I was asking was:
734
00:46:13,479 --> 00:46:18,069
"Am I going to get clipped in the
middle of town from 500 yards away?"
735
00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:26,618
Vaughn was... I mean... what freaked me
out even more was the fact that
736
00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:34,002
Vaughn was clearly rethinking talking
to us on camera after we were done.
737
00:46:45,302 --> 00:46:48,353
I think I'd like to meet Terry Wriste
on a good day and not a bad day.
738
00:46:48,388 --> 00:46:54,388
I'd like to meet him if we're doing
what he thinks we're supposed to be doing.
739
00:46:54,394 --> 00:46:58,024
I don't think I'd want to meet him
if he disagrees.
740
00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:01,486
Fuck yeah I want to meet Terry Wriste!
741
00:47:01,521 --> 00:47:02,645
Are you out of your mind?!
742
00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:04,403
Of course!
743
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:12,329
God. I think Terry and I would have
a lot to talk about.
744
00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:19,415
So we're at this point where we've got
this guy who says he's personally met
745
00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:22,669
Terry Wriste. And has a lot of information
about him.
746
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:27,050
There's an entire community of occultists
who are picking "Hellier" apart and
747
00:47:27,085 --> 00:47:31,428
giving us really detailed explanations
for why we're doing some sort of an
748
00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:32,641
initiation ritual.
749
00:47:33,725 --> 00:47:38,725
We're not sure for who. Maybe it's for
Terry, maybe it's for an ultraterrestrial.
750
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:39,690
We don't know.
751
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:46,071
But no matter which way we look now,
all the roads point to one person.
752
00:47:46,106 --> 00:47:50,531
And we can't go any further without
talking to them.
753
00:47:51,034 --> 00:47:52,494
And that person
754
00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:55,961
is Allen Greenfield.
755
00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:59,884
Literally there have been half a dozen
people who've come and said
756
00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:02,261
"you know you're doing a ritual for
Greenfield, right?"
757
00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:04,916
"He can't do it himself anymore so
you guys are doing it for him."
758
00:48:04,923 --> 00:48:09,263
A lot of them think that we're doing an
initiation of some kind.
759
00:48:10,137 --> 00:48:12,847
It's other people, it's ritual magicians,
who are coming in and saying
760
00:48:12,848 --> 00:48:14,098
"you guys are doing a ritual."
761
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:16,349
"It's obvious. You guys are being
initiated for something."
762
00:48:16,351 --> 00:48:20,941
I want to ask him, I mean at this
point I hope he brings this up
763
00:48:20,976 --> 00:48:23,729
automatically, but if he doesn't
bring this up himself,
764
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:27,369
I want to say "you know there's
a lot of people who've come
765
00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:31,469
to us. This has resonated with the
magical community quite a bit.
766
00:48:31,504 --> 00:48:35,535
And they all seem to believe that
we're doing some sort of ritual.
767
00:48:36,705 --> 00:48:38,865
Is that possible?
768
00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:40,833
And if it is,
769
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:45,568
what's the purpose of that ritual
770
00:48:45,603 --> 00:48:47,681
in your view? Seeing what's going on,
771
00:48:47,716 --> 00:48:50,636
having watched "Hellier,"
what's the purpose of this ritual?"
772
00:48:50,928 --> 00:48:54,258
So if he doesn't automatically bring that
up that's kind of suspicious.
773
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:54,934
- Right.
774
00:49:18,705 --> 00:49:19,705
There he is.
775
00:49:22,876 --> 00:49:27,796
♪ "Wolves"
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