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What I'm going to do is,
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because we don't know
what exactly the goblins are,
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or whatever is around here,
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I'm going to assume to a
certain extent it's sort of
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elemental in nature
or land-based.
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So we have candles that
represent each one of
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the elements: earth,
air, fire, water...
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We left some tobacco
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and burned some candles,
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just out of respect for
whatever's potentially there,
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and let it know, "Listen this is
what we're here to do,
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we're here to communicate,
so if you want to come
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and communicate with us,
the door is wide open,
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and we're inviting
that communication."
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So Dana did a small ritual
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where she burned some candles
and she made an offering
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of tobacco to these entities
or spirits, or whatever
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they are, in order to more
formally set why we were there
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and what we were hoping
to get from them.
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And if you're interested
in communicating with us,
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that's what we're here for.
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If there is anybody here,
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anybody that we can't
see right now...
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spirits...
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I'm not sure who we
might be addressing here.
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But we are here
to learn about you.
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We're here documenting.
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But in reality, you're the star.
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We're here because
we were called,
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because we want to
know more about you,
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because we respect you.
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And as long as you have
good intentions,
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we are more than willing
to communicate with you.
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I think the thing that
caught my attention was like...
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it sounded like a...
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wooden knock.
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- That was a wooden knock.
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- Yeah.
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That's what I heard
that first time.
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I heard that too.
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From two different directions.
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We kept it broad!
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Goodness!
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Connor's like,
"I'm out!"
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Almost immediately after
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Dana did her ritual,
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we were hearing wood knocks
that were seemingly
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communicating with us,
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from both sides of us.
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Things were being thrown
from the forest at us.
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There were a lot of noises
that we tried our best
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to kind of rule out as
natural, animal noises.
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But a lot of these
things were...
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They felt a little too pointed.
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And they started a little
too quickly after
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we had done these intention-
setting experiments.
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It's the type of phenomenon
that we have witnessed before
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in bigfoot expeditions.
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And we'd done the same kind of
those intention-setting things
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during bigfoot investigations.
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So almost immediately
we got the overwhelming
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feeling that we were
being watched.
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And that we had successfully
drawn something in.
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Can you come out
a little closer?
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It's okay.
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Did you hear that?
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- Yeah!
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- It just did it back.
- It did it back?
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- It went
and went and did it back.
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That was really loud.
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- Really loud.
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Wow... it's super dense.
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- No.
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I heard a... it was
a little bit more...
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croak-ish?
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Not like a frog.
But in response,
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it was like:.
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It was kind of a...
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And it went up
like your whistle did.
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- Like a mimic kind of.
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- A little more guttural.
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Maybe we don't speak
the same language,
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maybe we don't understand
each other very well,
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but I think you can
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understand the vibe
we're putting out.
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- What do you do when
Greg Newkirk says,
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"It's right behind you."
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- Stand real still.
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Okay, well.
That's officially out.
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Thank you for being here,
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we want to continue
talking with you, though.
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From there, we moved
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to the front porch,
and we began setting up
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our spirit box experiment,
"The Estes Method."
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Connor puts on a pair
of very noise-cancelling
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drummer-headphones,
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and he pipes in
a spirit box feed.
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Now, a spirit box is a
controversial device
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in ghost hunting,
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where it scans through
these radio stations
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at very high rates of speed.
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You are going to get clips
of DJ voices, commercials,
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talk shows... especially
in the AM frequencies.
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And so it's normal to hear
voices out of them.
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But with all the static,
with all the noise,
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with all the blips and bits
of sound,
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it's very easy
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to hear what you want
to hear out of it.
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We created this method
in order to cut the receiver off
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from more anticipated responses,
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in the hopes that our
conversation...
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that he couldn't hear...
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Would line up with the
responses that he's giving back.
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We also put a blindfold on
so that there's no
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environmental, sensory
influence about what
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that conversation is.
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So that if we do get some
compelling responses
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back and forth,
conversationally,
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that is much more
interesting than...
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potential responses
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that we thought we heard
through a noisy feed.
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It just said "Connor,"
it sounded like.
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"C'MON."
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"WEAPON"
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"TOO LATE."
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"HI."
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Do you know why we're here?
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Do you know what
we're trying to do?
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What brought us here?
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"THAT'S ME, SIR."
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- "Do you know what
brought us here?"...
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"That's me, sir?"
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Do you know who
Terry R. Wriste is?
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Do you know who
David Christie is?
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"FEASIBLE"
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"RIGHT THERE."
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"BATMAN."
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Mothman?
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"YOU... CAN."
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"KARL."
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I can what?
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I have a really
important question.
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Which might be why...
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"CAREFUL."
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- Careful?
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- I just clumsily sat down...
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- It's like it's got a little bit
of a delay on it.
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- Sometimes it's just like a
short delay.
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"THERE'S A COYOTE."
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- Oh, shit.
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"WOOD."
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- Where... where is...
- "DOING."
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- Where is the coyote?
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"RIGHT THERE."
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- To the left?
Or to the right?
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Over here?
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"THEY'RE OVER THERE..."
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"DO..."
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Thank you for the warning.
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- Maybe there'll be
a coyote tomorrow.
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Some people call you a goblin.
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Do you like that name?
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"GET READY."
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"MOVING."
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Are you moving to the cave?
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"THE HILLS."
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To the cave in the hills?
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Are you going to meet us there?
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"RIGHT THERE."
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Up in the Flatwoods?
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"THE PEOPLE."
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"MOVING."
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I wasn't taking any of this...
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into any sort of...
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I couldn't... I had to take it
all with a grain of salt.
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Anything I was hearing.
Because...
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All I was trying to do
was listen really closely.
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And it's something that I have
had a lot of practice with.
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And something that I know that
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a lot of people who
watch the Method
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and a lot of people who
haven't done it themselves
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will be skeptical of,
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because I would be
skeptical of it.
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But I know what I heard.
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And apparently I was
narrating what was
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going on, is what they told me
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when I took the headphones off.
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Which is intriguing.
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And it seemed like
whoever was there was...
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letting us know that...
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they're aware of us
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and they were right
there with us.
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Can we talk more about
this cave?
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Can we talk about
the reason that we're here?
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Maybe you know more about
it than we do.
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You know who sent us here?
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"KARL. MOVE."
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My camera batteries just died.
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Really?
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- Did you hear that thump?
- Yes.
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- I'm gonna go grab a fresh one.
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"HE'S OPEN..."
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He did open the door.
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"PROBABLY. 10-4"
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"STAND BACK."
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Are we going to find
what we're looking for?
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While we're here?
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"LEAVE."
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"ALONE"
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Leave it alone?
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We can't leave it alone.
We were brought here.
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- Horrible noise.
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Why are we here?
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We're here for a reason.
Why are we here?
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Did you bring us here?
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Did you want us here?
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"WHAT'S THAT."
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Do you know anything
about the Ink and the Black?
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"I WILL."
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"PATTERN."
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Pattern?
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Is there a pattern...
- "READY."
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we're missing?
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I'm ready. I want
to know.
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Do we need to use the cipher?
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"READY."
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"READY."
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I'm ready.
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"KARL."
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"WASN'T. LISTENING."
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I am listening to a lot
of stuff right now...
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Yeah!
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I just got cold.
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- It is cold.
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"WHAT IS IT"
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What is... what are
you curious about?
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"READY."
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We're so ready.
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- Did you see eyes?
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- Yes.
- "HOW DOES"
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- C'mon up. Get over here.
- C'mon up.
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"LISTEN."
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We're listening.
We're ready.
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"TO THAT."
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Yeah, you can come right up.
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"NINE."
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Nine.
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Almost sounded
like "F-you."
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"WE HEARD."
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That was loud.
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- You heard...
- That was very loud.
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"W. W."
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W...
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Who's a "w"? Wriste?
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Terry?
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"AIM."
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Aim...
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"WHO'S THERE."
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Who is there?
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I just heard like
a twinkling noise.
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That was weird.
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What was that?
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Right over there.
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Come on. Keep doing it.
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Let us know you're here.
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Who's in the caves?
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Who's in the mines?
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"TALKING. ROOSTER."
269
00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:16,737
A talking rooster?
270
00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:20,288
"NO IT'S NOT."
271
00:17:28,964 --> 00:17:29,974
"No, it's not."
272
00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:33,337
"GIRL. TALKING."
273
00:17:33,802 --> 00:17:34,802
Uh, yeah!
274
00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:36,314
I'm here.
275
00:17:37,848 --> 00:17:39,388
Or is there a girl in there?
276
00:17:39,808 --> 00:17:41,928
That's a lot of what
people hear in that one...
277
00:17:41,935 --> 00:17:42,555
That's right!
278
00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:44,273
Maybe it's a woman
and not a baby.
279
00:17:44,308 --> 00:17:46,521
Like a more...
higher voice.
280
00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:50,401
- We keep hearing a lot about...
- "WHAT'S THE HOLDUP."
281
00:17:51,153 --> 00:17:52,153
- You tell us!
282
00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:54,615
We're trying to get there.
283
00:17:57,201 --> 00:17:58,371
Where should we go next?
284
00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:02,575
"THE MOUNTAINS."
285
00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:06,171
That's where we're
going tomorrow.
286
00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:11,472
What should we be looking
for in the mountains?
287
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,354
"GIRL SEEMS"
288
00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:19,011
"READY. YES, SIR."
289
00:18:20,557 --> 00:18:21,677
We're all ready.
290
00:18:21,683 --> 00:18:22,683
"THANK YOU."
291
00:18:24,895 --> 00:18:26,405
Is there something Dana is
supposed to do
292
00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:27,438
when we're there?
293
00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:41,949
Are we going to meet you?
294
00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:47,844
"EXACTLY."
295
00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:50,378
"IS THAT IT?"
296
00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:51,379
Maybe...
297
00:18:52,673 --> 00:18:53,527
Is that it?
298
00:18:53,562 --> 00:18:54,382
"WHO'S TALKING"
299
00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:56,425
Karl.
300
00:18:56,426 --> 00:18:58,426
- Like, I'm not hearing sounds,
301
00:18:58,428 --> 00:19:00,008
I don't feel...
302
00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:02,098
- Anxious?
303
00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:04,015
- "OKAY."
- Like, I feel...
304
00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:06,853
"BLOODY?"
305
00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:09,438
"SHAPE."
306
00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:10,572
- There's no car...
307
00:19:10,607 --> 00:19:12,317
There would be headlights.
308
00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:16,317
That was like somebody
fucking threw something
309
00:19:16,446 --> 00:19:18,066
in the bushes.
310
00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,493
Who's throwing things at us?
311
00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:21,949
- I thought it was a car.
312
00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:33,961
"YOU ALREADY KNOW HIM."
313
00:19:38,135 --> 00:19:39,135
"WRISTE."
314
00:19:41,221 --> 00:19:43,141
- So we already know...
- We already know Wriste?
315
00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:44,765
- Oh! So we know
who he is?
316
00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:48,556
Can you tell us what
his name is?
317
00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:49,812
- Tell us his name.
318
00:19:49,813 --> 00:19:50,813
- His real name.
319
00:19:57,404 --> 00:19:58,550
- What's his...
320
00:19:58,585 --> 00:19:59,696
"HOLLER IN COLD."
321
00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,239
Holler in cold... coal?
322
00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:20,927
It was wild.
323
00:20:20,928 --> 00:20:22,968
Like, the stuff that
was happening, just...
324
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:28,192
There's no logical explanation
325
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:31,937
for the types of things that
were happening during that
326
00:20:31,939 --> 00:20:33,559
and the way that it was
happening.
327
00:20:33,565 --> 00:20:34,565
Like, it was...
328
00:20:35,067 --> 00:20:37,237
basically precognition.
329
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:40,238
"THEY'RE."
330
00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:44,242
"WATCHING."
331
00:20:45,994 --> 00:20:46,994
They're watching?
332
00:20:46,995 --> 00:20:47,995
Who's watching?
333
00:20:54,044 --> 00:20:55,844
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE."
334
00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:58,085
Who's watching us?
335
00:20:58,966 --> 00:21:00,046
Maybe...
336
00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:03,719
- Are they...
337
00:21:04,304 --> 00:21:05,314
"THE FOREWORD."
338
00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:07,682
"THE BOOK."
339
00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:08,683
The book?
340
00:21:10,102 --> 00:21:11,102
Oh, shit.
341
00:21:12,437 --> 00:21:13,437
Okay, that's gotta be...
342
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,480
"IT'S RIGHT THERE."
343
00:21:14,481 --> 00:21:15,721
Yeah, it is right there, right?
344
00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:22,656
Record it! He just
said, "record it."
345
00:21:22,691 --> 00:21:23,656
We are, we are.
346
00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:36,377
"It's not red"...
347
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:38,630
- What is the significance
of red?
348
00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:02,355
This is everything aside
from normal.
349
00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:11,464
No.
350
00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:14,753
Maybe we can't see?
351
00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:24,086
What do we need to see?
352
00:22:30,891 --> 00:22:32,351
What do we need to see?
353
00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:40,189
What are we missing?
354
00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:44,909
The Third Order?
355
00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:52,908
- There was a thump over there.
356
00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:01,304
Can we talk about
Terry Wriste again?
357
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,219
I got the impression
maybe he was Indrid Cold?
358
00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:09,796
Karl is Indrid Cold?
359
00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:12,135
- That's twice it's implied that.
360
00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,641
Last time you were talking
about who Indrid Cold was
361
00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:17,895
it talked about me.
- Yeah.
362
00:23:19,689 --> 00:23:21,129
Why do you think Karl
is Indrid Cold?
363
00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:24,327
A little bit.
364
00:23:24,362 --> 00:23:26,112
- That is, yeah.
- A little bit.
365
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:27,453
- That's a bad arc.
366
00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:31,328
I don't know about that one.
I don't think that'll fit.
367
00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:38,366
That's true.
- That's true.
368
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:39,935
Truth is stranger
than fiction, I guess.
369
00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:42,796
Okay. Take your time.
370
00:23:46,216 --> 00:23:47,716
Is that how long you've been
doing this?
371
00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:48,717
Son of a bitch...
372
00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,098
We gotta check that.
373
00:23:51,133 --> 00:23:52,596
-48 minutes...
374
00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:59,229
- Dude, it changed again.
375
00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:01,405
- Yeah.
- I'm fine.
376
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,230
We came running over here
chasing some fuckin goblin
377
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:05,234
and Connor narrated it.
378
00:24:05,235 --> 00:24:06,395
And it feels fine now.
379
00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:08,779
- Connor...
380
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,200
I heard like a whistle noise...
381
00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:28,434
Can you help us find
Indrid Cold's house?
382
00:24:35,098 --> 00:24:36,098
The flap?
383
00:24:36,808 --> 00:24:37,808
A hidden flap?
384
00:24:39,895 --> 00:24:41,805
A hidden... is there a
flap no one's found yet?
385
00:24:42,647 --> 00:24:43,647
- A cave?
386
00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:46,318
Like a UFO flap?
387
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:50,164
"ENCOMPASS"
388
00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:52,529
Encompass... Does it...
389
00:24:52,564 --> 00:24:53,987
- What's it encompassing?
390
00:24:55,118 --> 00:24:56,118
"STILLWATER"
391
00:24:56,703 --> 00:24:57,703
Stillwater.
392
00:24:57,746 --> 00:24:59,246
- It's encompassing still water?
393
00:25:00,081 --> 00:25:00,711
"BRIDGE"
394
00:25:00,749 --> 00:25:03,289
- No, Stillwater is the name
of a town.
395
00:25:04,085 --> 00:25:05,295
- Stillwater Bridge?
396
00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:07,713
"READY"
397
00:25:10,091 --> 00:25:11,301
We're always ready.
398
00:25:11,336 --> 00:25:12,301
"TWO STAR."
399
00:25:13,136 --> 00:25:14,136
Two star...
400
00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:22,521
"MOUNTAIN GREEN."
401
00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:26,473
Thank you for talking with us.
402
00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:30,648
"FOR WHAT. THE WORLD.
READY."
403
00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:32,488
Is the world ready?
404
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,160
"THERE WE GO"
405
00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,209
I just saw like a tin can.
406
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:47,955
Just jumped into my mind.
407
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:52,130
Like an old tin can.
408
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:53,759
With no label.
409
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,565
Ah, I feel like...
410
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,230
- My eyes are watering
a little bit.
411
00:26:01,265 --> 00:26:02,226
- I feel like it's over.
412
00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:03,557
- Yeah.
- You think it's over?
413
00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:05,002
- I think you should
pull him out.
414
00:26:05,021 --> 00:26:06,571
He looks agitated.
415
00:26:06,606 --> 00:26:08,476
Thank you. Thank you
for talking to us.
416
00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:10,245
- Thank you.
- We'll talk to you again soon.
417
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:16,907
God...
418
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:18,948
- Does he do that every time?
419
00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:20,392
- Alright. I'm gonna
take this off...
420
00:26:21,621 --> 00:26:22,621
Whoever's talking with me,
thank you...
421
00:26:22,622 --> 00:26:23,622
- Everyone does.
422
00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:31,174
- Oh my god...
423
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:32,338
- How you doing?
424
00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:33,630
- It's so bright...
425
00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:35,426
- Yeah, get the lights.
426
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:42,643
- That was one of the
weirdest things
427
00:26:42,678 --> 00:26:43,642
I've ever been a part of.
428
00:26:44,227 --> 00:26:46,687
So much of it matched.
- Mmhm
429
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:49,060
- What we were discussing.
430
00:26:49,065 --> 00:26:50,355
- And you would like...
431
00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:53,528
You would respond to things
that we were physically doing.
432
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:56,121
- Constantly.
- Yeah.
433
00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:59,156
- Every time Karl
would move something,
434
00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:01,489
you would say
like, "Karl, stop."
435
00:27:01,494 --> 00:27:03,767
Like, just that kind of stuff.
436
00:27:03,802 --> 00:27:06,040
- I kept hearing your voice.
437
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:07,581
I think that was the only
voice that I heard...
438
00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:09,754
Like, your NAME was
the only name that I heard.
439
00:27:09,789 --> 00:27:11,923
- Oh yeah. You said it a lot.
440
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:13,380
- And um...
441
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,965
It's been a long time...
442
00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:17,757
I don't remember when I had a...
443
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:19,966
an image like that pop
into my mind.
444
00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,181
- A tin cup? Tin can.
445
00:27:22,182 --> 00:27:23,562
- Just like five minutes ago.
446
00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:26,975
But no, I'm sitting here
and I just...
447
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,688
And suddenly just a tin can.
448
00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:31,689
So I thought it was
worth saying something.
449
00:27:31,691 --> 00:27:32,811
Because it felt very random.
450
00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:35,066
Were you recording
for 48 minutes?
451
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:36,820
- We're gonna check it.
452
00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:39,406
- Cuz I heard that.
453
00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:41,656
- Oh yeah. That was
super weird.
454
00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:43,786
- 48 minutes...
- That was...
455
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:44,787
That was great.
456
00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:46,368
- Yeah, we've got to
check the time on that.
457
00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:47,963
Start and end time...
458
00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,333
- That was really neat.
459
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:51,214
That was really cool
to see that.
460
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:52,955
And be part of that.
461
00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:54,918
For the most part, that
462
00:27:54,923 --> 00:27:57,423
was a really interesting
experience.
463
00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:58,425
And I felt...
464
00:27:58,426 --> 00:28:01,136
like we were definitely
tapping into something
465
00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:04,597
more than just the coincidence
466
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,493
of a word coming up
in relation to what
467
00:28:06,528 --> 00:28:08,388
we were doing
at that moment in time.
468
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:09,645
It seemed stranger than that.
469
00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:11,516
It seemed more in touch.
470
00:28:11,564 --> 00:28:14,074
There was an alignment happening
471
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,529
very much so, I felt,
that first night.
472
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,529
And then I was taken aback
because something happened
473
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,031
that had never happened before.
474
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:24,829
I saw something.
475
00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,081
I saw it so clearly.
476
00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:31,543
It was a tin can.
477
00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:35,609
Just jumped into my head.
478
00:28:35,644 --> 00:28:38,799
And I had to say something
479
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,880
because it was totally
unprecedented.
480
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:43,175
And this tin can just suddenly
481
00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:44,643
appeared in my mind.
482
00:28:44,678 --> 00:28:46,302
I could see it.
483
00:28:46,337 --> 00:28:47,926
Clear as day.
484
00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:50,404
It was a tin can,
just sitting there
485
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:54,771
in this blank space
with no label.
486
00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:02,074
That's it. It was a tin can.
487
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,708
And I didn't understand it.
488
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:07,003
But I thought it was
worth mentioning because
489
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:11,214
I've spent so many
dozens and dozens...
490
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:13,829
Probably over a hundred
hours on the spirit box,
491
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:17,085
and I've never had an image
pop into my head like that.
492
00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,027
The next day was the
day that we decided
493
00:29:33,062 --> 00:29:35,442
we were going to go straight
to anyone who could give us
494
00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:37,112
information about
David Christie.
495
00:29:37,147 --> 00:29:37,992
We wanted to see
496
00:29:38,027 --> 00:29:39,687
if we could make a more
pointed effort
497
00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:41,536
to find who this person was.
498
00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,281
And that was going to be
looking up
499
00:29:43,316 --> 00:29:46,031
all the town records.
500
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,584
Did he buy property?
Did he have a driver's license?
501
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:53,245
Did he exist in this town
for the 8 or 9 months
502
00:29:53,291 --> 00:29:54,751
that he claimed to have
stayed there.
503
00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,053
Yeah, so day three
504
00:29:59,088 --> 00:30:03,298
was a boots-on-the-ground day
505
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:05,551
where we were just out
in the town
506
00:30:05,553 --> 00:30:08,563
knocking on doors and
walking into people's offices
507
00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:11,016
and asking,
"where is David?"
508
00:30:11,017 --> 00:30:12,097
First of all.
509
00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:14,694
And then, "have you experienced
anything weird?"
510
00:30:14,729 --> 00:30:18,019
I'm a paranormal investigator
here, out of Cincinnati
511
00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:19,066
- Okay.
512
00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:20,647
- And there was a guy who,
a few years ago,
513
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:21,942
called us to the area.
514
00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:24,525
I'm looking to see if he
ever actually lived here.
515
00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:25,955
He gave me a name.
516
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,554
And I'm just trying to figure
out where I would check
517
00:30:28,589 --> 00:30:31,118
to see if there was any records
of this guy actually
518
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,120
living around here.
519
00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,706
Because he's just kind of...
disappeared.
520
00:30:40,171 --> 00:30:41,171
This is a case that
521
00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:42,882
we're really trying to get
to the bottom of.
522
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:44,902
And so, let's go.
Let's go into town.
523
00:30:44,937 --> 00:30:46,887
The nearest town center
was Pikeville.
524
00:30:46,922 --> 00:30:48,796
And we went in.
525
00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:50,715
And walked around to Courthouse
526
00:30:50,723 --> 00:30:51,723
after Courthouse.
527
00:30:51,724 --> 00:30:53,525
We went to the County Surveyors,
528
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,110
the County Assessor's. We
went to the Sheriff's Dept.
529
00:30:57,438 --> 00:30:58,822
The Property Value Assessment
530
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,227
Office would be the perfect
place to tell us
531
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:02,153
if a person named David
Christe had ever
532
00:31:02,188 --> 00:31:04,491
owend property in that town.
533
00:31:04,526 --> 00:31:05,487
We were showing
534
00:31:05,488 --> 00:31:06,488
everybody these photos,
535
00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:09,699
asking for records
of David Christie.
536
00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:13,747
There had to be some sort
of a record of this man
537
00:31:13,782 --> 00:31:15,746
existing in this community.
538
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:19,540
The team of us
539
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:22,875
were sort of passed from
courthouse to courthouse
540
00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,381
to records building to police
to back again.
541
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,384
So Greg, Dana, and I
542
00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:31,675
decide to go in,
and start to ask around
543
00:31:31,681 --> 00:31:33,061
about this individual.
544
00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:44,192
This building, that we
walked passed...
545
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,150
- Oh, snap.
546
00:31:46,155 --> 00:31:48,155
- This is the third courthouse
we've been to today.
547
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:51,124
And we talked
548
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:52,159
with these individuals.
549
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:58,252
We walked up and the clerks
looked through
550
00:31:58,287 --> 00:31:59,706
all these different records.
551
00:31:59,741 --> 00:32:01,126
I sat there as they typed away.
552
00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:05,339
And in the end...
553
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,094
It was pretty clear to us...
554
00:32:09,093 --> 00:32:13,013
that no one by the name
of "David Christie"
555
00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:18,938
had ever existed on the grid
in Pikeville or Hellier.
556
00:32:20,813 --> 00:32:22,153
No David Christie.
557
00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:23,523
Nothing.
558
00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:32,075
So, alright, talk to us.
559
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:47,430
And they were
560
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:48,125
extremely helpful,
561
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:49,133
Went into the records...
562
00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:51,554
Found that David Christie
had never owned property
563
00:32:51,589 --> 00:32:53,302
in or around Hellier.
564
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:56,867
So we checked even Driver
Registration Records.
565
00:32:56,902 --> 00:33:00,096
Nobody by the name of David
Christie had ever
566
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,273
registered a vehicle in town.
567
00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:06,991
So that was real information.
568
00:33:07,026 --> 00:33:10,071
That was like, no
himming and hawing.
569
00:33:10,106 --> 00:33:13,116
He never owned any
property in the area.
570
00:33:13,199 --> 00:33:16,292
That doesn't mean that he
didn't rent property,
571
00:33:16,327 --> 00:33:18,247
and it doesn't mean that he
didn't have property handed
572
00:33:18,282 --> 00:33:20,576
down to him, which is
something that absolutely
573
00:33:20,581 --> 00:33:21,581
could have happened.
574
00:33:21,582 --> 00:33:25,519
But we knew for a fact that
there was never a man
575
00:33:25,554 --> 00:33:29,457
in Hellier named David Christie
who owned property.
576
00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:30,465
At all.
577
00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:34,176
So that was a big red line
through his name I think.
578
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,771
It's possible that he
579
00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:40,136
could've flown under the radar,
but his name at least
580
00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:42,643
was starting to get
less credible.
581
00:33:42,645 --> 00:33:46,605
Even as his story became
a little more credible.
582
00:33:46,607 --> 00:33:50,357
Because we were believing,
based on all of our observations
583
00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,301
of this town that yeah,
this could've taken place
584
00:33:53,336 --> 00:33:56,241
in Hellier, Kentucky. Or
right outside of it.
585
00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:59,696
Everything made sense
in that regard.
586
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,664
But the name didn't appear
to be real.
587
00:34:02,915 --> 00:34:04,705
Which was a point
of frustration.
588
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:07,459
But also a sense of relief
because we were able
589
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,092
to sort of close one portion
of the case.
590
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,335
And it was exactly what
591
00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:14,842
I expected to happen.
592
00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,348
We had a lot of people
talking to us
593
00:34:17,383 --> 00:34:19,853
about their own
personal experiences
594
00:34:19,888 --> 00:34:20,849
That same weird
595
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:21,640
phenomena kept happening.
596
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:23,895
Where people, they would
immediately say,
597
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:25,808
"Ah, we never get any
weird stuff like that."
598
00:34:25,843 --> 00:34:27,687
But once they think about it
and you talk to them
599
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,400
for a little bit, they go
"But, there was this one time.."
600
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,161
So we found out that,
601
00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:36,526
yes, people in the towns
around Hellier
602
00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:38,741
are experiencing
paranormal activity,
603
00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:40,908
and they're not just
experiencing
604
00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:43,252
paranormal activity, but
they're experiencing things like
605
00:34:43,287 --> 00:34:46,247
watching UFOs float in the sky
so long that they
606
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:47,960
just get bored and move on.
607
00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:51,247
We had a woman who was
a psychologist tell us
608
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:55,835
this crazy story about how she
believes that her family was
609
00:34:55,843 --> 00:34:57,973
being attacked demonically.
610
00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:00,596
But, they used a really
interesting word
611
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:03,768
that I'd never heard ghosts
described as,
612
00:35:03,803 --> 00:35:05,518
which was "critters."
613
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,730
They had a problem with "critters."
614
00:35:07,765 --> 00:35:09,940
And even the local priest said,
615
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:11,691
"There are critters
all over here,
616
00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:13,744
and they attach to people
and their families
617
00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:15,606
and properties
pretty easily."
618
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:18,323
So that I thought was pretty
interesting,
619
00:35:18,407 --> 00:35:21,027
which really says a lot about
the lens that people
620
00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:22,995
view paranormal phenomena
through.
621
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,297
We went into the gas station
622
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:43,135
to meet with Tami, and discuss
how her grandsons
623
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,289
were going to help us get up
to the Flatwoods
624
00:35:45,324 --> 00:35:47,437
to check out these caves
that had a weird
625
00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:51,108
old burial ground, and they
seemed kind of afraid of it,
626
00:35:51,143 --> 00:35:54,317
and see these footprint
photos that they had
627
00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:56,358
of these strange prints
in the mud.
628
00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:57,913
So it's like, great,
629
00:35:57,948 --> 00:36:00,948
finally, we have a cave,
we're gonna go,
630
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:03,793
and then Tami walks out
and says that her grandson
631
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:07,368
decided to go hunting.
So that's not going to work out.
632
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,732
We just so happened to meet,
by complete accident,
633
00:36:11,767 --> 00:36:14,991
This guy named "Joey."
Joey was an amateur caver,
634
00:36:15,026 --> 00:36:18,216
and had lots of stories from
around that area
635
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:20,217
of really crazy caves.
636
00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:23,015
So we started to ask about
any caves in the area,
637
00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:25,843
particularly caves that might've
had strange stories
638
00:36:25,878 --> 00:36:28,636
and odd folklore and weird
sightings attached to them.
639
00:36:28,644 --> 00:36:31,614
And then as he eased into the
story, he started to tell us
640
00:36:31,649 --> 00:36:33,606
about finding weird carvings,
641
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,778
carvings of flaming
eyeballs on caves,
642
00:36:36,813 --> 00:36:38,527
carvings of snakes,
643
00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,529
carvings and statues
of Chief Cornstalk.
644
00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:46,242
Which, oddly enough,
is the same land
645
00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:49,365
and the same Native
American legends
646
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:52,035
that were tied to
the Point Pleasant area,
647
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,383
where the Mothman case
took place.
648
00:36:54,879 --> 00:36:57,879
And then he said, "well you
know what, there was this
649
00:36:57,882 --> 00:36:59,882
weird cave where they found
650
00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,474
this strange,
three-toed footprint."
651
00:37:39,882 --> 00:37:40,882
Apparently the local
652
00:37:40,883 --> 00:37:45,144
University had studied it,
and he said,
653
00:37:45,179 --> 00:37:47,679
"You know, that might be a
cave you guys could check out."
654
00:37:47,682 --> 00:37:50,892
So we spent a lot of time
getting coordinates from Joey
655
00:37:50,893 --> 00:37:54,063
of different caves and caverns
and places that seemed like
656
00:37:54,098 --> 00:37:56,233
they might be a good fit
for our investigation.
657
00:37:56,268 --> 00:37:58,074
And he gave us his number
and said,
658
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:00,069
"If you have any issues or
anything, please,
659
00:38:00,104 --> 00:38:01,359
feel free to give me a call."
660
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:17,088
It just was...
661
00:38:18,379 --> 00:38:19,762
It seemed more than coincidence.
662
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:21,297
It was this thing that
kept happening,
663
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:24,342
this theme that kept
occurring, which was:
664
00:38:24,343 --> 00:38:29,563
wild goose chase; brick wall;
another yarn
665
00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:31,177
to another wild goose chase.
666
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:32,983
We felt like we were
trapped in a maze.
667
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,328
We got back to the cabin
668
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,091
probably an hour
669
00:38:57,126 --> 00:38:59,666
after we'd spoken with
this gentleman, Joey.
670
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,514
It's really frustrating,
but every single time
671
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:06,379
it's just something else that's
new and all these weird
672
00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,135
little threads just
keep coming together
673
00:39:08,137 --> 00:39:10,507
and pointing
to different things.
674
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:12,974
Like the Chief Cornstalk
thing is the one that, like,
675
00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:14,675
now I'm sitting here going,
"well now I've got to read
676
00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:17,055
everything about that,
and figure that out."
677
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,292
- And so that guy said that
he was in a cave?
678
00:39:19,327 --> 00:39:21,521
That there were pictures of
him in a cave?
679
00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:22,935
- Yeah, like carvings of him like
on the sides of...
680
00:39:22,943 --> 00:39:25,283
- Just randomly brought it up.
Out of nowhere!
681
00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:20,077
And that also keeps calling
back to the Keel connection,
682
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:21,467
the Mothman connection,
683
00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:24,462
like that weird
synchronicity where
684
00:40:24,463 --> 00:40:28,223
you had the book now...
685
00:40:29,051 --> 00:40:31,761
- It's consistently, like from the
start I've said that this feels
686
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:35,976
like the closest thing I can get
to a Keel case, a mothman case,
687
00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:40,056
and then I had the compulsion
688
00:40:40,062 --> 00:40:43,614
to listen to Mothman
on the drive up.
689
00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:47,239
And then Connor, because
we've been talking about it,
690
00:40:47,274 --> 00:40:49,236
returned my book to me
on the trip.
691
00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:56,158
And then the Ink and the Black
is Indrid Cold,
692
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:59,422
the name "the Flatwoods monster"
with the Flatwoods up here,
693
00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:00,747
there's a synchronicity there.
694
00:41:00,749 --> 00:41:03,959
- Like a town over from the stuff
where Mothman was happening,
695
00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:05,803
Point Pleasant.
- Yep.
696
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:08,258
- If this is a hoax,
we're taking the bait.
697
00:41:08,293 --> 00:41:10,127
And it's kind of...
scary.
698
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:11,134
- Mmhm
699
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,505
- I think what's scary is that
we've taken the bait so far
700
00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:16,392
that we've found something
real from a hoax.
701
00:41:16,427 --> 00:41:17,390
- Mmhm.
702
00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:19,851
- I believe the phenomena
is real. I do.
703
00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:24,812
It's just a really elaborate
way... it's just too much.
704
00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:26,775
It goes too deep.
705
00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,648
So I don't know if we're going
to leave with answers,
706
00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:35,406
but I'm glad we're down here
looking for them.
707
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,239
I'm up at the cabin.
708
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:40,495
I was the only one who
got service at that cabin.
709
00:41:41,248 --> 00:41:43,918
And I get a phone call
and it's Joey.
710
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:05,980
- Right.
711
00:42:08,651 --> 00:42:09,651
- Really?
712
00:42:09,902 --> 00:42:10,902
Back in...?
713
00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:14,948
- Yeah!
714
00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:33,125
- This is exactly the kind
of person we're looking
715
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:35,143
to talk to here, sir,
so thank you.
716
00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:48,281
- Yeah!
717
00:42:48,316 --> 00:42:50,606
So you just haphazardly
just ran into him?
718
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,450
- That's perfect!
719
00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:57,871
Definitely an awesome lead
that we're going to look into.
720
00:42:57,906 --> 00:42:59,536
So thank you so much,
it's a big help.
721
00:43:01,662 --> 00:43:02,662
- Absolutely!
722
00:43:02,663 --> 00:43:05,373
Hey, you've become an important
part of this story here.
723
00:43:05,374 --> 00:43:06,384
Thank you.
724
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:12,839
- Great.
725
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,300
Alright. Well you have
a good night.
726
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:17,760
Yeah, we'll be in touch.
Thank you.
727
00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:22,595
- What the fuck?!
728
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,600
- He accidentally...?
729
00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:25,828
- He accidentally just ran into
the guy...
730
00:43:25,863 --> 00:43:28,056
- Who was there.
- That was fucking THERE.
731
00:43:29,481 --> 00:43:30,481
And I'm talking to him
732
00:43:30,482 --> 00:43:33,072
And he says, "Hey,
strangest thing.
733
00:43:33,861 --> 00:43:37,991
"I just ran into the guy
on my way home!
734
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:42,366
The individual who was there
when these three-toed
735
00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:43,619
footprints were captured."
736
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,289
Another synchronicity that's...
737
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,380
astronomically implausible.
738
00:43:51,295 --> 00:43:54,585
Even Joey was a little taken
aback by the chance of it.
739
00:43:55,466 --> 00:43:57,546
So immediately,
out of left field,
740
00:43:57,551 --> 00:44:00,551
completely by accident,
we have a lead
741
00:44:00,554 --> 00:44:02,867
on a three-toed footprint
in a cave
742
00:44:02,902 --> 00:44:05,181
that was studied by
a university.
743
00:44:05,684 --> 00:44:07,314
And so we got this
gentleman's number,
744
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:09,778
and said we have to
call him and follow up on this.
745
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:15,283
But this case has constantly
led us down an exciting avenue
746
00:44:15,318 --> 00:44:18,987
that's a dead-end. And we're
sitting at a gas station
747
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:21,949
with a dead end,
the expedition falling apart,
748
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:25,160
Hellier being this black hole
of no stories,
749
00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:27,212
and Joey shows up.
750
00:44:27,247 --> 00:44:30,327
And Joey has a synchronicity
of running into the guy
751
00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:33,214
he was telling us about off-hand
from the 80s
752
00:44:33,249 --> 00:44:34,342
who had found a footprint.
753
00:44:42,137 --> 00:44:44,887
A really interesting thing
happened that night
754
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:47,430
while we're putting together
the next leg of the expedition.
755
00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:51,314
I get a text from Tyler Strand
while we're on the way back
756
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:55,194
to the cabin that says, like,
"holy weird! I just had a crazy
757
00:44:55,229 --> 00:44:58,072
breakthrough in your search
for the goblins."
758
00:44:58,570 --> 00:45:00,200
Tyler Strand is a wild man.
759
00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:03,319
Hello everyone, Tyler
Strand here...
760
00:45:03,325 --> 00:45:05,615
He's kind of a lone-wolf
paranormal investigator.
761
00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:09,963
We met him a year ago and
instantly took to him.
762
00:45:09,998 --> 00:45:12,333
He's got a really great vibe.
He's super adventurous...
763
00:45:12,368 --> 00:45:14,668
You kind of have to be to do
paranormal investigation
764
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,670
on your lonesome.
765
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:21,014
But this guy is at an 11
almost constantly.
766
00:45:21,049 --> 00:45:22,509
I always describe him as:
767
00:45:22,511 --> 00:45:25,811
take the most excited dog
you've ever met,
768
00:45:25,846 --> 00:45:27,426
put him in a black leather vest
769
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:28,933
and give him the
ability to talk.
770
00:45:28,934 --> 00:45:31,394
That's Tyler Strand.
771
00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:35,225
And we've been working with
Tyler on a couple other cases
772
00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:39,572
and the amount of information
and tools that he brings
773
00:45:39,607 --> 00:45:41,660
to the search
are super invaluable.
774
00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:43,991
He said, he just answered:
775
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,492
"Yeah, absolutely. I just had
a strange occurrence.
776
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:50,337
I mention a lead that I had
to Greg, and I just got some
777
00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:54,270
new details on that development.
I'm not certain how you guys
778
00:45:54,305 --> 00:45:58,169
tied in Point Pleasant slash the
mothman to all this insanity...
779
00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:00,802
Well, I do... but you know what
I mean.
780
00:46:00,837 --> 00:46:03,009
I was just in Point Pleasant
781
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:05,140
and I have a bizarre
possible connection
782
00:46:05,175 --> 00:46:07,387
to our good friend Indrid Cold."
783
00:46:09,224 --> 00:46:10,524
So that's something
he's bringing in.
784
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:12,599
- I totally forgot he was at
the Mothman Festival.
785
00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:13,403
- Yeah.
786
00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:15,188
- Which was like a week
and a half ago?
787
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:16,572
Which was strange timing
788
00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:18,517
to begin with. We had talked
about the goblin search.
789
00:46:18,525 --> 00:46:22,945
In fact, Tyler was constantly
encouraging us to
790
00:46:22,946 --> 00:46:24,816
"get back in that hole,"
so to speak,
791
00:46:24,823 --> 00:46:28,493
with discussions
about different rabbit holes.
792
00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:32,205
And he was really intrigued
by the case. Well, he had done
793
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,916
a little bit of investigating
on his own, and had just been
794
00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:39,628
at the Mothman Festival,
like two weeks before this.
795
00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:41,756
Hello.
796
00:46:42,674 --> 00:46:46,054
Hey, what's up!
I didn't see the missed call.
797
00:46:46,089 --> 00:46:47,303
I didn't hear it come through.
798
00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:48,229
- That's alright.
799
00:46:48,264 --> 00:46:49,564
- What are you doing, wild man?
800
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:52,929
- Where the hell are you guys at?
What's going on?
801
00:46:52,935 --> 00:46:56,015
- What is this
mind-blowing stuff?
802
00:46:56,021 --> 00:46:56,771
Because there have been a lot
803
00:46:56,773 --> 00:46:58,983
of weird synchronicities
on this trip.
804
00:46:59,018 --> 00:46:59,982
- Well first we wanted to...
805
00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:01,713
Well you want to talk about
synchronicities, Greg,
806
00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:03,645
the more we talk, you know
it's funny because
807
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:07,534
we talked last time, you and I,
for some reason the shit we do,
808
00:47:07,569 --> 00:47:11,203
we're always like two halves
of a key. So, like, I go...
809
00:47:11,537 --> 00:47:12,697
He met a man
810
00:47:12,704 --> 00:47:14,124
at the Mothman Festival.
811
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:15,506
Completely by accident.
812
00:47:15,541 --> 00:47:19,091
Who, it turns out, had a real
interest in creature sightings
813
00:47:19,126 --> 00:47:20,706
that were happening
around caves.
814
00:47:20,712 --> 00:47:26,342
This guy ended up taking every
reference to those that he found
815
00:47:26,343 --> 00:47:29,893
in books over the years,
photocopying those pages
816
00:47:29,928 --> 00:47:32,468
and making his own 90-some
page book
817
00:47:32,474 --> 00:47:35,234
out of these creature sightings
around caves.
818
00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:38,195
I'm like, I need to get
my hands on it!
819
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:42,360
So, this guy's like an awesome
person to have online.
820
00:47:42,395 --> 00:47:43,729
Like, I've got him in my phone,
821
00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:45,485
I could probably call
him up anytime.
822
00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:48,990
So I'm like, I need this book.
I'm like, "If you could make
823
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:50,871
a copy of this thing, that would
be great."
824
00:47:50,906 --> 00:47:51,658
- Right...
825
00:47:51,661 --> 00:47:54,411
- So fast-forward to the
following day, which is today.
826
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,833
I just got back to my apartment.
I stopped at the gym...
827
00:47:57,868 --> 00:47:59,508
I was at the gym for
a couple hours.
828
00:47:59,543 --> 00:48:02,928
And when I pulled up to the
gym, I have this thought
829
00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:07,013
in my head. I'm like, you know
what, I'm gonna call that guy
830
00:48:07,048 --> 00:48:08,679
now, even though he said he
was busy.
831
00:48:08,714 --> 00:48:10,007
- Yeah.- I'm gonna call
832
00:48:10,012 --> 00:48:13,199
this guy just so he knows that
I'm aware of him and that
833
00:48:13,234 --> 00:48:16,387
I'm going to be keeping in touch
because I want this packet.
834
00:48:16,393 --> 00:48:19,236
I call him up and he picks up
right away and I'm like,
835
00:48:19,271 --> 00:48:22,900
"Hello, Mike, it's Tyler Strand,
I'm calling because I wanted
836
00:48:22,935 --> 00:48:26,336
to follow-up." And he's like,
"You know what's really weird
837
00:48:26,371 --> 00:48:29,738
about you calling me just now?"
I go, "what?" He goes...
838
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:34,240
Get this shit, he goes, "I was
literally trying to scroll through
839
00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:38,004
my contacts. I was just about to
call you. Had you not called
840
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,748
me right now, I would've called
you in like 10 seconds."
841
00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:42,841
- Really?
842
00:48:42,878 --> 00:48:45,762
- We've heard stories
of your research skills
843
00:48:45,797 --> 00:48:48,677
so you've got the town
and you're right at the same
844
00:48:48,717 --> 00:48:51,047
spot we are...
We're just...
845
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:52,561
We're lost in this!
846
00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:54,271
- Yeah, we'll be in touch.
847
00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:56,556
- Thanks, yeah, my lips
are sealed.
848
00:48:56,558 --> 00:48:57,638
- Ours too!
849
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:02,270
- Sounds good! Keep me
posted, have fun!
850
00:49:02,272 --> 00:49:04,362
- Alright, we'll talk
to you soon, Tyler.
851
00:49:04,397 --> 00:49:05,398
- Alright, sounds good.
852
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,400
- Later, dude.- Bye for now!
853
00:49:06,401 --> 00:49:07,401
- Thank you!
- Bye!
854
00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:11,489
- Tyler Strand, everybody.
855
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:12,070
- Uhh...
856
00:49:12,075 --> 00:49:13,075
- Was he what we...
857
00:49:13,076 --> 00:49:14,906
- Did you see that? What
happened when that...
858
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:16,240
When he just hung up on
that phone call?
859
00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:17,086
- No.
860
00:49:17,121 --> 00:49:18,121
- The time on the phone call?
861
00:49:18,156 --> 00:49:18,671
- No.
862
00:49:18,706 --> 00:49:19,956
It was 48:48.
863
00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:22,206
- Forty-eight?!
864
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:25,210
- Is that not ringing a bell?
865
00:49:26,004 --> 00:49:26,804
- Forty-eight...
866
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:27,839
- Forty-eight minutes.
867
00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:33,354
Son of a bitch...
868
00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:35,972
- Forty-eight minutes!
869
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:37,849
48:48...
870
00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:41,595
- Holy shit.
871
00:49:42,229 --> 00:49:44,439
- Dude. That was like
a premonition.
872
00:49:44,474 --> 00:49:46,399
- Oh my god.
873
00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:50,702
- What...
- I just started to shake
874
00:49:50,737 --> 00:49:51,487
when I looked at...
- That's so weird...
875
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,529
- When he hung up, I looked
at the numbers,
876
00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:54,031
and I was like, "oh, god."
877
00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:55,332
- What is happening?
878
00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:57,243
- Let me get that record.
879
00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:02,206
It doesn't say the full 48,
it just says 48,
880
00:50:02,207 --> 00:50:03,207
but it was 48:48.
- Well that's fine!
881
00:50:03,208 --> 00:50:04,841
That's pretty good.
882
00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:08,626
Like, what if it was us,
you know what I mean?
883
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:09,630
- It's like, that's telling us, like
"You should listen to
884
00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:10,631
that phone call."
885
00:50:10,632 --> 00:50:12,933
- That right there is a fucked
up synchronicity.
886
00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:16,048
That's not even a synchronicity,
it was like a premonition.
887
00:50:16,054 --> 00:50:16,938
- A prophecy.
888
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:18,053
- Yeah, a prophecy. Exactly.
889
00:50:20,183 --> 00:50:23,523
- I didn't hang up, it just
happened at that time.
890
00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:28,475
- So, uh...
- HE hung up at 48:48
891
00:50:30,527 --> 00:50:33,567
What is happening?
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