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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,516 --> 00:00:17,601 What I'm most proud of as attorney general 2 00:00:17,768 --> 00:00:19,770 is that we were willing to walk into the buzz saw 3 00:00:19,937 --> 00:00:23,441 of some very powerful interests and never back down. 4 00:00:23,607 --> 00:00:25,484 Look, I had a simple rule: 5 00:00:25,651 --> 00:00:28,779 I never asked if a case was popular or unpopular, 6 00:00:28,946 --> 00:00:31,323 never asked if it was big or small, 7 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:32,908 hard or easy; 8 00:00:33,075 --> 00:00:35,494 I simply asked if it was right or wrong. 9 00:00:43,252 --> 00:00:45,796 Man: I will never forget that moment. 10 00:00:45,963 --> 00:00:47,423 Woman: I was dumbfounded. 11 00:00:51,552 --> 00:00:53,471 Man: I can't say I was sorry. 12 00:00:53,637 --> 00:00:56,140 ♪ Start spreading the news... ♪ 13 00:00:57,641 --> 00:01:00,811 Man: It was like, "You've gotta be kidding." 14 00:01:00,978 --> 00:01:03,898 ♪ I want to be a part of it... ♪ 15 00:01:04,065 --> 00:01:05,983 ( siren blares ) 16 00:01:06,150 --> 00:01:09,445 ♪ New York, New York... ♪ 17 00:01:09,612 --> 00:01:12,239 Man: He was going to be our first Jewish president. 18 00:01:12,406 --> 00:01:16,327 ♪ These vagabond shoes... ♪ 19 00:01:16,494 --> 00:01:17,995 Woman: There was corporate corruption; 20 00:01:18,162 --> 00:01:19,914 greed had seemed to hit its peak; 21 00:01:20,081 --> 00:01:21,707 and he was fighting all of that. 22 00:01:21,874 --> 00:01:24,502 ♪ Right through the very heart of it ♪ 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,798 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 24 00:01:34,136 --> 00:01:37,181 ♪ I want to wake up in a city ♪ 25 00:01:37,348 --> 00:01:39,350 ♪ That doesn't sleep ♪ 26 00:01:40,726 --> 00:01:42,436 ♪ To find I'm cream of the crop ♪ 27 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:45,564 ♪ On top of the heap ♪ 28 00:01:48,776 --> 00:01:53,197 ♪ These little town blues ♪ 29 00:01:53,364 --> 00:01:55,324 ♪ Are melting away ♪ 30 00:01:56,909 --> 00:01:59,203 ♪ I'll make a brand-new ♪ 31 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:01,539 ♪ Start of it... ♪ 32 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:04,291 Narrator: On the face of it, the fall of Governor Spitzer 33 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:06,669 was just another sex scandal. 34 00:02:08,587 --> 00:02:10,923 Was it a private matter? 35 00:02:11,090 --> 00:02:13,050 Or a public reckoning? 36 00:02:13,217 --> 00:02:15,427 ♪ Oh New York... ♪ 37 00:02:15,594 --> 00:02:17,555 Narrator: And what of the timing? 38 00:02:17,721 --> 00:02:19,431 A few months after his resignation, 39 00:02:19,598 --> 00:02:21,684 the reckless banks Spitzer had policed 40 00:02:21,851 --> 00:02:23,853 brought the economic system close to failure. 41 00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:26,397 ♪ I'll make it anywhere ♪ 42 00:02:26,564 --> 00:02:29,733 ♪ New York... ♪ 43 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:32,111 Everyone agreed on one thing: 44 00:02:32,278 --> 00:02:35,698 no one expected him to go down like he did. 45 00:02:35,865 --> 00:02:39,743 ♪ New York. ♪ 46 00:02:40,744 --> 00:02:45,749 It is to a certain extent a very classic tale, perhaps, 47 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:50,546 of an individual who from the exterior 48 00:02:50,713 --> 00:02:54,008 appears to have been captured by hubris; 49 00:02:54,175 --> 00:02:56,969 a sense of standing for virtues 50 00:02:57,136 --> 00:02:59,138 and, I think, working very hard 51 00:02:59,305 --> 00:03:01,765 to articulate and work 52 00:03:01,932 --> 00:03:06,562 towards establishing rules and boundaries, 53 00:03:06,729 --> 00:03:09,982 but then, himself, slipping and failing. 54 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:12,234 And this goes back to the days of Greek mythology. 55 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:14,653 This is not... It's not a new story. 56 00:03:22,953 --> 00:03:24,997 Hulbert Waldroup: In New York, everyone... 57 00:03:25,164 --> 00:03:29,710 Everyone's like some sort of an animal, you know? 58 00:03:29,877 --> 00:03:32,796 They're some sort of an animal. 59 00:03:32,963 --> 00:03:35,799 They're hungry to make more money, 60 00:03:35,966 --> 00:03:38,260 hungry to get more sex, 61 00:03:38,427 --> 00:03:40,804 to date a prettier girl or a richer guy. 62 00:03:40,971 --> 00:03:43,307 Just... just hungry, just greedy, 63 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:45,267 just animals. 64 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,689 This Chinese philosopher said that 65 00:03:50,856 --> 00:03:54,401 human beings are a hybrid 66 00:03:54,568 --> 00:03:59,281 between animals and angels, 67 00:03:59,448 --> 00:04:04,078 that we're capable of animalistic behavior. 68 00:04:05,829 --> 00:04:07,998 Consider sex and war. 69 00:04:08,165 --> 00:04:11,168 But we're capable of doing beautiful things too, like art, 70 00:04:11,335 --> 00:04:14,922 music or making love, you know? 71 00:04:15,089 --> 00:04:17,508 What... I was just contemplating that. 72 00:04:17,675 --> 00:04:19,035 I was like, "Wow, I kinda dig that. 73 00:04:19,176 --> 00:04:21,637 We're half angel, half animal." 74 00:04:31,272 --> 00:04:33,274 Good afternoon. 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,027 Over the past nine years... Eight years as attorney general 76 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:39,697 and one as governor... I have tried to uphold 77 00:04:39,863 --> 00:04:41,740 a vision of progressive politics that would 78 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:45,494 rebuild New York and create opportunity for all. 79 00:04:45,661 --> 00:04:48,038 We sought to bring real change to New York, 80 00:04:48,205 --> 00:04:50,124 and that will continue. 81 00:04:50,291 --> 00:04:54,086 Today, I want to briefly address a private matter. 82 00:04:54,253 --> 00:04:56,797 I have acted in a way that violates my obligations 83 00:04:56,964 --> 00:05:00,676 to my family, and that violates my, or any, 84 00:05:00,843 --> 00:05:03,429 sense of right and wrong. 85 00:05:11,478 --> 00:05:14,231 Narrator: Spitzer's wrong turn surprised everyone, 86 00:05:14,398 --> 00:05:17,276 because he had a reputation as Mr. Right. 87 00:05:17,443 --> 00:05:19,153 As Attorney General of New York 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,447 he was known as the Sheriff of Wall Street, 89 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:24,199 someone determined to take on powerful interests 90 00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:27,328 on behalf of those who couldn't afford to. 91 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:31,373 Lloyd Constantine: This was a guy who understood 92 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:35,085 that he had been a member of the lucky-sperm club. 93 00:05:35,252 --> 00:05:38,172 He was really smart. He was wealthy. 94 00:05:38,339 --> 00:05:40,174 So he had gotten a lot of breaks in life, 95 00:05:40,341 --> 00:05:43,802 and he wanted to-to... To use that, 96 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:46,889 you know, to better the world. 97 00:05:47,056 --> 00:05:51,101 Narrator: Spitzer's father Bernard was a self-made real-estate tycoon 98 00:05:51,268 --> 00:05:53,270 who sent his son to an elite prep school, 99 00:05:53,437 --> 00:05:55,689 Princeton and Harvard Law School, 100 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:59,526 where he met his wife-to-be Silda Wall. 101 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:02,696 His father had pushed him to succeed. 102 00:06:02,863 --> 00:06:04,990 We debated issues around the dining-room table. 103 00:06:05,157 --> 00:06:07,368 And so I guess it was more of a symposium 104 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:10,621 than a touchy-feely environment. 105 00:06:10,788 --> 00:06:13,749 We were taught not to embrace 106 00:06:13,916 --> 00:06:15,667 a notion, a principle, a fact 107 00:06:15,834 --> 00:06:17,669 merely because somebody had asserted it. 108 00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:19,380 Challenge them, push back... 109 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:22,216 That was part of the conversation. 110 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:25,344 Narrator: For a real-estate family, 111 00:06:25,511 --> 00:06:27,930 Monopoly takes on a special edge. 112 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:29,807 Sure, it's a game. 113 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:32,226 But it's also a way for a father to teach his son 114 00:06:32,393 --> 00:06:35,187 some lessons about money and power. 115 00:06:35,354 --> 00:06:37,582 Look, I don't want the impression to be that he wasn't... 116 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:39,608 He was devoid of compassion, but it is true 117 00:06:39,775 --> 00:06:41,443 he foreclosed on me in a Monopoly game. 118 00:06:43,278 --> 00:06:45,398 Narrator: Bernard Spitzer tricked his son into selling 119 00:06:45,531 --> 00:06:47,574 Boardwalk and Park Place for cheap, 120 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:50,411 then wiped him out when he landed on a built-up Boardwalk. 121 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:54,998 The lesson: don't trust anyone. 122 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:57,251 But I think really what he was trying to do 123 00:06:57,418 --> 00:07:00,671 was teach me how the market worked. 124 00:07:00,838 --> 00:07:03,382 And Monopoly's a fun game, but I had overbuilt 125 00:07:03,549 --> 00:07:05,926 and overextended and he said, "I'm sorry, that's it. 126 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,133 There are consequences and you've learned a lesson." 127 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:09,781 Interviewer: What was your response at the time? 128 00:07:09,805 --> 00:07:11,765 Oh, I cried. I think I was about 10. 129 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:13,267 I mean, I was a kid. 130 00:07:13,434 --> 00:07:15,394 It was... it was... it was no fun. 131 00:07:15,561 --> 00:07:17,521 I wanted to... I wanted to be bailed out. 132 00:07:17,688 --> 00:07:19,940 Constantine: Bernie is a guy who judges people. 133 00:07:20,107 --> 00:07:21,733 That's a tough thing for a kid. 134 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,028 I do remember him watching Eliot and me play tennis. 135 00:07:25,195 --> 00:07:29,783 And after one particular serve and volley of mine, which I won, 136 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:31,952 he gave me that victory sign, and he said, 137 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:34,288 "Yeah, that's exactly what to do to him." 138 00:07:40,544 --> 00:07:44,214 Eliot's strategy is to stick with his core game: 139 00:07:44,381 --> 00:07:47,092 hard shots, serve and volley. 140 00:07:48,844 --> 00:07:51,930 Spitzer: But my reflexes are good. 141 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:53,557 Yeah! 142 00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:55,017 I love to get in to net. 143 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,187 Good shot. 144 00:07:58,353 --> 00:08:00,898 As I say, the game I used to have keeps getting better. 145 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:04,818 Narrator: Eliot Spitzer's notion 146 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:06,945 of public service was like his tennis game: 147 00:08:07,112 --> 00:08:09,323 attack attack attack. 148 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:11,742 Good morning, and thank you for coming. 149 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:14,286 Narrator: As attorney general, Spitzer saw an opportunity 150 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:16,163 to do more than enforce the law. 151 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:19,541 He wanted to use the law to change the way society worked. 152 00:08:19,708 --> 00:08:22,169 He sued coal-fire plants in Ohio 153 00:08:22,336 --> 00:08:24,171 for causing pollution in New York. 154 00:08:24,338 --> 00:08:26,131 He sued General Electric for dumping 155 00:08:26,298 --> 00:08:28,300 poisonous waste into the Hudson River. 156 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:30,636 He uncovered fraud in the pharmaceutical industry, 157 00:08:30,802 --> 00:08:33,305 where pill makers hid the damage done by their drugs, 158 00:08:33,472 --> 00:08:35,724 fought for minimum wage for deliverymen 159 00:08:35,891 --> 00:08:38,644 and forced upscale restaurants to hire more women. 160 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:42,105 He would take them all on, because no one else would. 161 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:46,002 Peter Elkind: There's a reason why Eliot Spitzer 162 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:47,786 became famous as New York's attorney general. 163 00:08:47,945 --> 00:08:49,655 The job had been a second-tier position. 164 00:08:49,821 --> 00:08:53,283 It had been focused on regulating crooked car dealers. 165 00:08:53,450 --> 00:08:55,202 And Eliot Spitzer focused on Wall Street, 166 00:08:55,369 --> 00:08:57,246 on the biggest guys around. 167 00:08:57,412 --> 00:09:00,040 And Spitzer's premise, which was right, 168 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:02,417 was that Wall Street can't be left to regulate itself 169 00:09:02,584 --> 00:09:04,711 or terrible things will happen. 170 00:09:04,878 --> 00:09:09,091 When I assumed office, which was January of 1999, 171 00:09:09,258 --> 00:09:11,885 we were in a period where Wall Street 172 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,221 and investment bankers were, to use Tom Wolfe's 173 00:09:14,388 --> 00:09:15,889 great phrase, masters of the universe. 174 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:18,350 Narrator: To protect the average citizen, 175 00:09:18,517 --> 00:09:21,436 Spitzer was willing to prosecute bankers and CEOs 176 00:09:21,603 --> 00:09:23,730 like any other lawbreakers. 177 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:25,983 Spitzer: In the course of this investigation, 178 00:09:26,149 --> 00:09:28,860 my office developed evidence indicating that analysts 179 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:30,571 gave misleading advice 180 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:33,240 that helped the brokerage's investment banking clients, 181 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:35,534 but harmed individual investors. 182 00:09:35,701 --> 00:09:37,421 When we first got into this, everybody said, 183 00:09:37,578 --> 00:09:39,498 "Well, what's the state attorney general's office 184 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:41,915 in New York doing going after this problem? 185 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:43,917 Shouldn't this be the SEC?" 186 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:46,628 And my response was, "Yes, but they haven't. 187 00:09:46,795 --> 00:09:48,213 And if they haven't, 188 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,924 and there are investors being ripped off, we will do it." 189 00:09:58,098 --> 00:10:00,100 Narrator: Wall Street analysts advise buyers 190 00:10:00,267 --> 00:10:02,477 on what stocks look good or bad. 191 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:05,731 With the rise of the Internet, analysts became superstars, 192 00:10:05,897 --> 00:10:07,566 because only they seemed to understand 193 00:10:07,733 --> 00:10:09,693 how to value Internet companies. 194 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:11,737 As stocks soared, so did the value 195 00:10:11,903 --> 00:10:13,905 of analysts who knew how to pick them. 196 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:15,574 The more money they made, 197 00:10:15,741 --> 00:10:18,160 the more potential there was for abuse. 198 00:10:21,622 --> 00:10:23,707 Henry Blodget was a failed writer 199 00:10:23,874 --> 00:10:25,834 who stumbled into being a top research analyst 200 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:27,878 when, as a young stock picker, 201 00:10:28,045 --> 00:10:30,714 he predicted the rise of Amazon.com. 202 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:34,551 By 2001 he was working for Merrill Lynch, 203 00:10:34,718 --> 00:10:37,095 making $12 million a year. 204 00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:42,351 When one of Merrill's customers sued Blodget for phony research, 205 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:44,519 Spitzer's team investigated him, 206 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:46,980 using an arcane law called the Martin Act 207 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:49,399 to subpoena thousands of documents and emails 208 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:51,234 in search of fraud. 209 00:10:52,778 --> 00:10:55,489 As Spitzer's team pored through Blodget's emails, 210 00:10:55,656 --> 00:10:58,575 they kept coming across the term POS. 211 00:10:58,742 --> 00:11:01,078 They thought POS was short for "positive," 212 00:11:01,244 --> 00:11:04,081 for stocks Blodget wanted customers to buy. 213 00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:07,501 But then they stumbled upon Blodget's keyword chart. 214 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,550 Blodget's emails were honest and brutally downbeat. 215 00:11:15,717 --> 00:11:19,304 Meanwhile his official stock ratings were mostly upbeat, 216 00:11:19,471 --> 00:11:23,266 urging customers to buy buy buy. 217 00:11:24,643 --> 00:11:26,353 Spitzer: Mr. and Mrs. Smith, 218 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,439 whose IRA or 401(k) is being invested, 219 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:31,817 they are the sacrificial lambs 220 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,361 and being used to prop up the stock 221 00:11:34,528 --> 00:11:36,381 so that the Merrill Lynches of the world can then 222 00:11:36,405 --> 00:11:38,675 go to the companies and say, "See what we're doing for you? 223 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:40,659 Bring us your investment banking business." 224 00:11:40,826 --> 00:11:42,953 It was fundamentally corrupt. 225 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,955 Narrator: It was insider's Monopoly, 226 00:11:45,122 --> 00:11:48,125 guided by a basic fundamental principle. 227 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:50,335 You don't go south of 14th Street 228 00:11:50,502 --> 00:11:52,170 except for one reason: to make money. 229 00:11:52,337 --> 00:11:53,714 ( R&B music playing ) 230 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,234 The guys on the floor, all they cared about was makin' money. 231 00:11:56,258 --> 00:11:58,844 That's what... that's... That's the American way. 232 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:01,179 Narrator: Jack Grubman was a highly respected 233 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,849 telecommunications analyst for Salomon Smith Barney. 234 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:06,309 ♪ Close shooting don't kill no birds... ♪ 235 00:12:06,476 --> 00:12:09,062 He became famous for pumping up AT&T's stock 236 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,732 to please his boss Sandy Weill. 237 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:14,276 Then Weill helped Grubman get his twins 238 00:12:14,443 --> 00:12:16,570 into an exclusive preschool. 239 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:18,739 Grubman's payday for research? 240 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:20,574 $20 million a year, 241 00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:23,577 enough to buy a palace on the Upper East Side. 242 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,912 ♪ Take food from my family's mouth ♪ 243 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,956 ♪ Before the money came... ♪ 244 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:31,585 Narrator: Grubman's career ended 245 00:12:31,752 --> 00:12:33,420 when he relentlessly pumped up the stock 246 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:35,422 of a company called WorldCom, 247 00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:38,592 just before it went bankrupt. 248 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:40,010 Do you regret, in hindsight, 249 00:12:40,177 --> 00:12:42,679 staying so bullish on the company for so long? 250 00:12:42,846 --> 00:12:45,724 Nothing... look, why are you harassing me 251 00:12:45,891 --> 00:12:47,285 - like this? - I'm not harassing you. 252 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:49,895 I'm just asking you questions about the company that you cover. 253 00:12:50,061 --> 00:12:52,481 This caught you completely by surprise, you say. 254 00:12:52,647 --> 00:12:54,441 Yes. 255 00:12:54,608 --> 00:12:56,234 Yes. 256 00:12:56,401 --> 00:12:57,569 - Thank you. - Yeah. 257 00:12:57,736 --> 00:12:59,196 ♪ Before the money ♪ 258 00:12:59,362 --> 00:13:04,409 ♪ Started rollin' in. ♪ 259 00:13:04,576 --> 00:13:05,619 There was always this... 260 00:13:05,786 --> 00:13:08,789 Internally we called it the come-to-Jesus moment, 261 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:12,209 where we went to whoever it was we were prepared to sue 262 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:15,629 and/or, you know, go after, you know, for doing something wrong 263 00:13:15,796 --> 00:13:18,089 and we'd say to 'em in no uncertain terms, 264 00:13:18,256 --> 00:13:20,717 "Tell us why, given this fact pattern, 265 00:13:20,884 --> 00:13:23,762 we would be wrong to sue your ass." 266 00:13:23,929 --> 00:13:25,847 Spitzer: Early on in the investigation, 267 00:13:26,014 --> 00:13:28,475 the Merrill Lynch lawyers, they came into my office. 268 00:13:28,642 --> 00:13:31,228 They looked at me and they said, "You're right, 269 00:13:31,394 --> 00:13:33,605 but we're not as bad as our competitors." 270 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:35,690 I was a prosecutor for a lot of years. 271 00:13:35,857 --> 00:13:38,443 I never, you know, heard a defendant 272 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:40,904 stand up in court and say, "Yeah, I robbed three people, 273 00:13:41,071 --> 00:13:43,907 but somebody over there robbed five, so therefore I'm not bad." 274 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:47,011 I said to Merrill Lynch... they wanted to settle the case and pay some money 275 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:49,079 and said, "We will pay a big sum of money 276 00:13:49,246 --> 00:13:52,082 if you promise to keep the information secret." 277 00:13:52,249 --> 00:13:53,333 And I said no. 278 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,085 Because my job as attorney general 279 00:13:55,252 --> 00:13:56,878 is to change the system 280 00:13:57,045 --> 00:13:59,548 so that it's fair and will be honest. 281 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:01,967 And if we seal the evidence and you pay a check 282 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:05,303 and we don't change the system, I'm basically being bought off. 283 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,681 My office has reached an agreement that will help 284 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:10,308 ensure the integrity of investment advice 285 00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:12,644 on which investors often depend. 286 00:14:12,811 --> 00:14:15,397 Narrator: Blodget and Grubman paid million-dollar fines 287 00:14:15,564 --> 00:14:17,983 and were banned from the securities industry for life. 288 00:14:18,149 --> 00:14:20,819 But their firms bought their permanent silence 289 00:14:20,986 --> 00:14:23,655 with handsome severance packages. 290 00:14:23,822 --> 00:14:26,199 In exchange for Grubman's silence on the details 291 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,743 of his firm's behavior, Salomon Smith Barney 292 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:31,955 paid Grubman $30 million. 293 00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:38,545 The nation's best and brightest were lured to Wall Street 294 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:40,547 in search of fast fortunes. 295 00:14:40,714 --> 00:14:42,549 The money they made flowed everywhere... 296 00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:45,302 Penthouses, yachts, golf clubs... 297 00:14:45,468 --> 00:14:47,762 And to the oldest sector of the global economy 298 00:14:47,929 --> 00:14:50,390 ready for a new cash infusion. 299 00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:52,893 I have rich lovers. 300 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:57,272 ♪ Love for sale... ♪ 301 00:14:57,439 --> 00:14:59,608 I don't go out with poor men. 302 00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:01,568 I've got no reason to do so. 303 00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:04,905 ♪ Appetizing young love ♪ 304 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:07,032 ♪ For sale... ♪ 305 00:15:07,198 --> 00:15:09,159 I don't call prostitution 306 00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:11,453 and escorting selling your body. 307 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:14,331 ♪ Love for sale. ♪ 308 00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,625 You don't sell, you rent. 309 00:15:16,791 --> 00:15:19,294 I love my bank account full. 310 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:23,006 It's better than empty. 311 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:26,384 ♪ Sex for sugar, sugar for sex ♪ 312 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:28,053 ♪ Sex for sugar, sugar for sex ♪ 313 00:15:28,219 --> 00:15:30,555 ♪ Sex for sugar, sugar for sex ♪ 314 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:32,557 ♪ Sex for sugar, sugar for sex ♪ 315 00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:34,726 ♪ What you got, girl, it's so unfair ♪ 316 00:15:34,893 --> 00:15:36,895 ♪ I like the way you move so keep it right there ♪ 317 00:15:37,062 --> 00:15:38,980 ♪ Or you can do what you wanna do ♪ 318 00:15:39,147 --> 00:15:41,066 ♪ I'm just glad I am in front with you ♪ 319 00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:43,526 ♪ But I don't mind being butt high ♪ 320 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:45,588 ♪ 'Cause I'm-a touch you where the sun don't shine... ♪ 321 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,782 Waldroup: There's a street in SoHo where a lot of artists set up. 322 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:50,533 I was selling my paintings one day. 323 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,663 And this charismatic fellow comes along 324 00:15:54,829 --> 00:15:57,290 and he's got a beautiful girl with him... 325 00:15:57,457 --> 00:15:59,417 This girlfriend at the time, Natalia. 326 00:15:59,584 --> 00:16:02,629 Said, "This is the number-one escort in New York City. 327 00:16:02,796 --> 00:16:05,090 I run New York's number-one escort agency." 328 00:16:05,256 --> 00:16:07,443 I've never seen you naked. You think your body's good enough? 329 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:08,819 Waldroup: "I want to buy the biggest, 330 00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:10,446 most expensive painting you've ever done." 331 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,389 He gives me his business card. 332 00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:15,308 I still have an old souvenir. 333 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,560 ♪ Electricity was definitely there ♪ 334 00:16:17,727 --> 00:16:19,729 ♪ I got shocked when I touched your hair... ♪ 335 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:23,650 "New York Confidential, rocket fuel for winners." 336 00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:26,152 That's all it says. 337 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:29,906 Narrator: In 2004, New York Confidential was at its height, 338 00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:33,284 making millions by offering clients "the girlfriend experience," 339 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:35,370 a few hours with naughty playmates 340 00:16:35,537 --> 00:16:37,288 who looked like college cheerleaders. 341 00:16:37,455 --> 00:16:40,208 I had $1500 in $100 bills in my purse. 342 00:16:40,375 --> 00:16:41,793 - Oh God. - I pulled it out. 343 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,046 - Only 15? - ( laughing ) 344 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:48,174 We started hanging out even after I did the painting. 345 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,593 And one day we're in the back of a Town Car, 346 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,846 and he says, "Hey, grab the phone," you know. 347 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:55,432 "Just talk to the guy, and try to help him out. 348 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:57,809 You know, he's probably looking for a girl 349 00:16:57,976 --> 00:16:59,352 to spend the night with." 350 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,896 I'm on the cell phone and... 351 00:17:02,063 --> 00:17:03,857 you know, my adrenaline is going. 352 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,776 And I'm like, okay, you know, 353 00:17:06,943 --> 00:17:10,071 "We have a brunette, a blonde or do you like ethnic girls?" 354 00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:13,283 You know, I do a deal for, I don't know, 3,000, 4,000. 355 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:15,660 He says, "Great, you just made 400 bucks 356 00:17:15,827 --> 00:17:17,704 from a five-minute phone call. 357 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,330 I'll give you 10%. 358 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:22,375 Why don't you just come to work for me for a little while, you know?" 359 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:25,253 Man: That Craigslist ad pulled well, huh? 360 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:28,715 Waldroup: That's where it all began, where I started working for Jason. 361 00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:30,884 How do you know she's a no? 362 00:17:31,051 --> 00:17:32,677 We don't get that many calls for Asians. 363 00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:34,679 One hot Asian is... is plenty. 364 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:36,556 We need more blondes, hot blondes. 365 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:37,867 They might look good in person, 366 00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:39,684 but they got a shitty photographer, you know? 367 00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:41,936 Hot blondes. She's a definite yes. 368 00:17:46,608 --> 00:17:49,194 Waldroup: When a businessman spends, 369 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,822 say, $2,000 an hour, 370 00:17:52,989 --> 00:17:55,617 he wants to read the reviews, 371 00:17:55,784 --> 00:17:57,911 just like if you were to buy a car. 372 00:17:58,078 --> 00:18:00,914 You want to read the reviews. How much mileage does it get? 373 00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:03,833 Does it have air conditioning, four-wheel drive? 374 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:07,754 What... what's the difference between 375 00:18:07,921 --> 00:18:11,466 paying $1,000 an hour for this young lady, 376 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:13,113 when I can open up the "Village Voice" 377 00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:16,096 or go on Craigslist and I can pay $200 378 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,014 for another young lady? 379 00:18:18,181 --> 00:18:19,182 You know. 380 00:18:19,349 --> 00:18:21,643 And I'd say, "Well, sir, sure, you can... 381 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:25,063 You can have a cheeseburger or you can have lobster." 382 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:29,484 You're gonna have such a good time 383 00:18:29,651 --> 00:18:31,736 with one of New York Confidential's girls 384 00:18:31,903 --> 00:18:33,780 that you're gonna go to work Monday morning 385 00:18:33,947 --> 00:18:35,073 with a smile on your face. 386 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,910 You're gonna make more money for you and your family, 387 00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:40,995 and then you're gonna call me up next week 388 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:43,665 and you're gonna say, 'Herb, who can you send me out today?"' 389 00:18:48,419 --> 00:18:49,921 Natalia: You can make the assumption 390 00:18:50,088 --> 00:18:52,233 that they're not being sexually satisfied in their marriage 391 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,342 or there's baggage or whatever's going on there. 392 00:18:54,509 --> 00:18:57,554 And then... you know, what's their option? 393 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,806 Do they get divorced? Do they split up their family? 394 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:03,268 Or do they seek, you know... Do they go see an escort? 395 00:19:03,434 --> 00:19:05,854 Waldroup: One young lady was a schoolteacher; 396 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:08,273 another girl was a... 397 00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:11,234 She was an athlete trying to make it to the Olympics. 398 00:19:11,401 --> 00:19:13,736 Actresses, singers, models. 399 00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:15,989 Natalia: Jason would give his business card 400 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:17,282 to every girl that he met. 401 00:19:17,448 --> 00:19:19,075 And half of them would call and then 402 00:19:19,242 --> 00:19:20,827 a quarter of them would start working. 403 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:25,957 Some girls would offer me cash... tips. 404 00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:29,085 Some girls offered me sex. 405 00:19:29,252 --> 00:19:32,922 I don't think I ever got a tip or sex with Ashley, yeah. 406 00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:35,216 Narrator: Ashley was Ashley Youmans, 407 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:38,178 later Ashley Dupré, who would become famous 408 00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:40,471 for having sex with Eliot Spitzer. 409 00:19:40,638 --> 00:19:44,017 As an escort, she got her start at New York Confidential, 410 00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:46,853 where her working name was Victoria. 411 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,771 It was through one of those straight pitches 412 00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:50,523 that Jason found Ashley. 413 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:54,777 Waldroup: Jason recruited her from the Gansevoort Hotel. 414 00:19:54,944 --> 00:19:57,280 Narrator: At the Gansevoort, Ashley was a bottle girl 415 00:19:57,447 --> 00:19:59,616 trying to break into the music business. 416 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:01,462 She was just light. She was just happiness. 417 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:04,495 She was like a great bubbly 19-year-old girl. 418 00:20:04,662 --> 00:20:07,040 ♪ Oh it's something to see ♪ 419 00:20:07,207 --> 00:20:09,042 ♪ That's so pretty... ♪ 420 00:20:09,209 --> 00:20:12,128 Waldroup: She was a good American, 421 00:20:12,295 --> 00:20:14,881 New Jersey Italian girl. 422 00:20:15,048 --> 00:20:16,883 Natalia: Guys loved her. 423 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,385 She had great pheromones or something, you know? 424 00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,804 Waldroup: Within three or four weeks, you know, 425 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:24,057 her rate was going up there to 2,000 an hour... 426 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:26,059 With a two-hour minimum. 427 00:20:26,226 --> 00:20:28,561 Natalia: Her reviews were awesome as well. 428 00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:30,408 I think she got a... She got something like 429 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:33,066 12 consecutive 10/10 reviews. 430 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:35,151 After we did our first appointment together, 431 00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:38,404 I told Jason, I'm like, "You gotta book this girl." 432 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:39,906 First of all, she's great, 433 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,367 but she also has a perfect coochie. 434 00:20:42,533 --> 00:20:45,078 Narrator: Ashley's reign ended when New York Confidential 435 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:46,955 was raided by local police. 436 00:20:47,121 --> 00:20:48,706 No customers were arrested, 437 00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:51,334 but Hulbert was convicted of promoting prostitution 438 00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:53,503 and sent to jail for eight months. 439 00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:58,049 Ashley would move on to work for another escort service. 440 00:21:00,134 --> 00:21:03,513 For every New Yorker who's been ignored, left out, 441 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,431 who's been told "You can't fight City Hall" 442 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,142 so many times they've come to believe it, 443 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:11,980 for every New Yorker without a voice, listen: 444 00:21:12,146 --> 00:21:14,691 there's one strong enough for all of us. 445 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:17,026 ( applause ) 446 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:24,784 Spitzer: For most of our history 447 00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:27,078 we have turned a blind eye 448 00:21:27,245 --> 00:21:29,455 to the violations of duty 449 00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:32,125 on the part of white-collar criminals. 450 00:21:32,292 --> 00:21:33,376 We can understand it. 451 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:36,879 There is something viscerally terrifying about street crime. 452 00:21:37,046 --> 00:21:39,924 And until you are safe in your home, 453 00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:42,760 you worry a bit less about what is often 454 00:21:42,927 --> 00:21:45,096 a bit more amorphous, which is the nature 455 00:21:45,263 --> 00:21:47,974 of white-collar crime, which is more subtle theft. 456 00:21:48,141 --> 00:21:49,809 Elkind: Spitzer broke the mold 457 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,894 of how you prosecute a white-collar case. 458 00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:53,730 He went after it fast and hard, 459 00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,190 and he got things done in a period of weeks or months 460 00:21:56,357 --> 00:21:58,318 that would take the federal regulators years. 461 00:21:58,484 --> 00:21:59,724 He wanted to change the system. 462 00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:02,030 So he'd get the goods on a company or on people 463 00:22:02,196 --> 00:22:04,157 and use it as leverage to institute reform, 464 00:22:04,324 --> 00:22:06,701 to force the industry to change the way it did business. 465 00:22:06,868 --> 00:22:08,470 A lot of people thought that was outrageous. 466 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:11,789 Narrator: Spitzer hired a team of dedicated lawyers 467 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:13,750 who were drawn to his mission. 468 00:22:13,916 --> 00:22:18,963 Eliot just wasn't afraid to stand up to corporate bad guys. 469 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,674 And, you know, I think there was some appreciation 470 00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:24,427 for the fact that, you know, he'd punch 'em in the nose 471 00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:26,137 if that's what was appropriate. 472 00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:28,806 The first day I came in, Eliot said, "What's next?" 473 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:32,518 And I said, "Well, mutual funds, I think." 474 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,023 Boy: How much will I grow? 475 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:40,443 How strong will I be in five years? 476 00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:43,029 In 10 years? 477 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,073 Where does my future start? 478 00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:46,407 Shh. 479 00:22:50,453 --> 00:22:52,830 Narrator: Mutual funds were supposed to be a safe place 480 00:22:52,997 --> 00:22:55,208 for working people to put their money. 481 00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:58,127 But there were rumors that sophisticated investors 482 00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:00,838 were playing games with those funds. 483 00:23:01,005 --> 00:23:03,383 Brown: I went off and I started studying them, 484 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:06,260 trying to figure out how to get at this issue. 485 00:23:06,427 --> 00:23:09,055 While I was immersed in this, we got a tip. 486 00:23:09,222 --> 00:23:11,307 ( phone ringing ) 487 00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:14,310 Noreen Harrington: I left very pathetic voicemail messages. 488 00:23:14,477 --> 00:23:16,354 ( phone beeps ) 489 00:23:16,521 --> 00:23:18,564 You know, reporting a crime is hard. 490 00:23:18,731 --> 00:23:20,400 You have to earn your credibility. 491 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:23,569 You have... it feels like you're being interrogated. 492 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:27,281 Narrator: Noreen Harrington had a strong financial background. 493 00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:29,617 After 11 years at Goldman Sachs, 494 00:23:29,784 --> 00:23:32,787 she ran the global fixed income department at Barclays. 495 00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:34,914 Then she went to work for Eddie Stern, 496 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:38,960 the son of a well-known pet-food billionaire. 497 00:23:39,127 --> 00:23:41,462 Eddie Stern's hedge fund, Canary Capital, 498 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,756 was producing spectacular results 499 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:46,259 at a time when the stock market was tanking. 500 00:23:46,426 --> 00:23:48,261 The big profits, said Harrington, 501 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:51,097 came from manipulating mutual funds. 502 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:53,474 They were doing something really egregious, 503 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:55,226 which is late trading. 504 00:23:55,393 --> 00:23:58,020 ( bell ringing ) 505 00:23:58,187 --> 00:23:59,564 Narrator: At the track, 506 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:02,775 customers bet on horse races before the race starts. 507 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:05,403 But what if there were a special club 508 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:08,865 that allowed you to bet on races after they were over? 509 00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:11,033 There was a club like that on Wall Street 510 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,744 for trading mutual funds. 511 00:24:13,911 --> 00:24:16,038 Brown: Mutual funds are only priced once a day, 512 00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:19,375 - right at 4:00. - ( bell ringing ) 513 00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:22,253 So during the day, you call in and you buy a mutual fund, 514 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:25,673 they'll say, "Fine, "we're gonna fill your order at today's 4:00 price." 515 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,260 If you call in at 4:05, they're supposed to say, 516 00:24:29,427 --> 00:24:33,055 "Fine, we'll fill your order at tomorrow's 4:00 price." 517 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:36,100 Narrator: But what if something happened at, say, 4:05 518 00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:38,144 to make the fund more valuable? 519 00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:40,897 Brown: If you could go in as an investor 520 00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:43,065 and call at 4:10, having heard that news, 521 00:24:43,232 --> 00:24:46,027 go back and buy it at the 4:00 price, you could just buy it, 522 00:24:46,194 --> 00:24:47,880 wait for it to go up the next day and sell it 523 00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:49,864 and take some money out of it. 524 00:24:50,031 --> 00:24:52,617 In one case, they went to a bank 525 00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:57,580 and the bank put a computer back-office terminal 526 00:24:57,747 --> 00:25:00,333 into Canary Capital, Eddie Stern's fund. 527 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,669 Eddie might enter 40 trades 528 00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:06,672 prior to 4:00. 529 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,925 Now let's say it's 10:00 at night; 530 00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:11,219 they cancel the 30 that lost money 531 00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:13,679 and keep the 10 that made money. 532 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:17,517 And so this was a bank, 533 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:22,021 completely, you know, working with one client 534 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:25,399 to destroy the profits 535 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:28,569 owed to all the people in those funds. 536 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:33,741 Narrator: The name of the bank was Bank of America. 537 00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:39,038 We spent a lot of time saying this... this can't be happening. 538 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:42,250 I mean, no one would be so, you know, so sleazy. 539 00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:47,882 Harrington: I remember it was like 9:00 at night. 540 00:25:47,964 --> 00:25:48,965 And somebody said, 541 00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:51,068 "Wow, we just picked these people off for 10 million." 542 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:53,594 I'm thinking, "How do you trade mutual funds at 9:00?" 543 00:25:53,761 --> 00:25:55,441 I mean, you know, you're a 20-year veteran, 544 00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:57,723 but all of a sudden you feel like a rookie. 545 00:25:57,890 --> 00:26:00,935 Narrator: When Stern was confronted with the evidence against him, 546 00:26:01,102 --> 00:26:04,272 he cut a deal to cooperate with Spitzer's investigation, 547 00:26:04,438 --> 00:26:07,650 which laid open the predatory nature of Wall Street. 548 00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,446 Brown: You have some expectation as an investor 549 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:14,824 in the stock market, that there are big big boys 550 00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,910 out there who probably have better information than you, 551 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:21,289 and it's precisely to get out of that that you would go to mutual funds. 552 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:24,333 And the idea that there were some sharks 553 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,837 in the tank with you, with all these thousands of minnows, 554 00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:31,257 was really sort of... Just really surprising. 555 00:26:31,424 --> 00:26:34,760 I sent out the first subpoena at the end of June of '03. 556 00:26:34,927 --> 00:26:38,264 And on September 4th, we announced a settlement. 557 00:26:38,431 --> 00:26:40,266 And what I'd like you to do now... 558 00:26:40,433 --> 00:26:43,185 Harrington: Three months after I finished speaking to them, 559 00:26:43,352 --> 00:26:46,856 for Eliot Spitzer and his staff to have indictments, 560 00:26:47,023 --> 00:26:49,650 settlements, was astounding to me. 561 00:26:49,817 --> 00:26:51,652 Today's announcement is merely step one. 562 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:54,864 One of the questions I get asked a lot was, 563 00:26:55,031 --> 00:26:58,492 "Did you believe you would never work again?" 564 00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:01,245 And I think about that question a lot, 565 00:27:01,412 --> 00:27:05,291 because what you're saying by asking that question is: 566 00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:09,879 by doing public service and helping 95 million people 567 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:14,550 and stopping a crime, this industry wouldn't want you? 568 00:27:14,717 --> 00:27:17,511 ( siren blaring ) 569 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:22,683 Narrator: While Spitzer stirred popular rage at Wall Street, 570 00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,518 there were a few people who were delighted 571 00:27:24,685 --> 00:27:26,687 to see the bankers take home big paydays, 572 00:27:26,854 --> 00:27:30,232 as revealed in the actual cell phone of one of the bookers 573 00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:33,444 of the escort service called The Emperors Club. 574 00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:38,350 Woman: "I keep hearing about all the raises on Wall Street. 575 00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:40,201 And usually that would be good for us. 576 00:27:40,368 --> 00:27:44,872 Hmm, maybe things will pick up. Take care, hon!" 577 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,333 The lawyer-banker thing is true. 578 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,460 There are quite a lot of them. 579 00:27:49,627 --> 00:27:51,629 But there are lots of stereotypes, you know, 580 00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:55,216 that it's this crazy drug-fueled sort of party scene. 581 00:27:55,383 --> 00:27:58,344 But generally, you know, people are respectful. 582 00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:01,514 They just want to have a nice time with someone. 583 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:03,724 Many of my clients are nicer to me 584 00:28:03,891 --> 00:28:07,436 than many many of the dates I've been on. 585 00:28:07,603 --> 00:28:09,980 In fact, 586 00:28:10,147 --> 00:28:13,025 I've stopped dating in the real world, you know? 587 00:28:13,192 --> 00:28:15,027 Partly because it would be complicated 588 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,947 and partly because my standards lifted. 589 00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:20,950 Honestly, you know. ( laughs ) 590 00:28:22,118 --> 00:28:24,346 Natalia: The pictures of Ashley didn't surface right away. 591 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,081 The Eliot Spitzer story broke, and then all these media outlets 592 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:28,833 were calling me to do interviews. 593 00:28:28,999 --> 00:28:31,836 And so I did a few interviews without even knowing that Ashley was... 594 00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:34,088 My Ashley was our Victoria was Kristen 595 00:28:34,255 --> 00:28:36,966 was all these... You know, who she was. 596 00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:41,011 Tonight Eliot Spitzer resigns as Governor of New York. 597 00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:44,390 Where will he find comfort in this difficult time? 598 00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:46,475 I was shocked when it all happened. 599 00:28:46,642 --> 00:28:50,229 But then when I saw Ashley's picture 600 00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:52,273 flashed on the news, 601 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,358 I was like, wait a second, you know? 602 00:28:54,525 --> 00:28:56,318 I was like, "Oh my gosh!" 603 00:28:56,485 --> 00:28:57,570 I couldn't believe it. 604 00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,530 She fit the bill. 605 00:28:59,697 --> 00:29:02,366 ♪ My fist to the sky... ♪ 606 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,219 Man: "The New York Times" website identifies 607 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:08,164 Governor Spitzer's mystery call girl as Ashley Alexandra Dupré. 608 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:09,890 Narrator: All over papers and television 609 00:29:09,999 --> 00:29:12,251 she was called "Spitzer's Girl." 610 00:29:12,418 --> 00:29:14,503 Known as "Kristen" at The Emperors Club, 611 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:16,672 Ashley Dupré was determined to take advantage 612 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,632 of her sudden opportunity. 613 00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:24,597 Natalia: Clearly Ashley was trying to make a name for herself. 614 00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:27,600 Narrator: After the scandal broke, Ashley's MySpace page, 615 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:29,935 with one of her songs available for streaming, 616 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:32,188 got over seven million hits. 617 00:29:32,354 --> 00:29:34,398 To help package her career, she brought onboard 618 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:39,069 two lawyers, a publicist, and a management team. 619 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,757 - ? So you better hurry up...? - Narrator: Ashley's manager arranged 620 00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:44,074 for an interview with Diane Sawyer. 621 00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:46,243 Everyone played their part. 622 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:48,662 Ashley dressed up as the good girl gone wrong, 623 00:29:48,829 --> 00:29:52,875 and Diane Sawyer played the role of the scolding mom. 624 00:29:53,042 --> 00:29:55,878 You say "the work," 625 00:29:56,045 --> 00:29:57,671 but you haven't said the words. 626 00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:00,841 - The work? - Prostitution. 627 00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:03,010 Escort. 628 00:30:03,177 --> 00:30:05,012 Escort. What's the difference? 629 00:30:05,179 --> 00:30:07,973 - Escort. - What's the difference? 630 00:30:09,475 --> 00:30:12,228 She catered to the stereotypes of hookers, 631 00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:15,147 which are, you know, "Poor me. I had a troubled childhood. 632 00:30:15,314 --> 00:30:17,817 I made a mistake," which is such a load of crap. 633 00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:20,778 It's... I can't change the past. 634 00:30:20,945 --> 00:30:23,489 I can only try to take what I've learned and... 635 00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:26,534 And apply that to my future. 636 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,788 We are being paid ridiculous amounts of money. 637 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:34,083 None of these women are forced to do this and they're not stupid. 638 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:36,627 Many of the professional prostitutes that I know 639 00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:39,755 are very smart women who weren't abused. 640 00:30:39,922 --> 00:30:42,007 You know, don't have a mental disorder. 641 00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:45,427 They just happen to believe in this kind of work. 642 00:30:45,594 --> 00:30:48,889 Narrator: So do their customers. 643 00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:51,308 The cell phone of the Booker from The Emperors Club 644 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:54,562 offered a glimpse of the club's well-heeled client list: 645 00:30:54,728 --> 00:30:57,273 an Oscar winner, CEOs 646 00:30:57,439 --> 00:31:00,234 and high-powered investment bankers. 647 00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:04,697 The club treated them like emperors. And why not? 648 00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:06,949 They made more money than kings. 649 00:31:07,116 --> 00:31:10,119 They enjoyed having their way with women and the world. 650 00:31:10,286 --> 00:31:12,746 So it came as no surprise that they resented it 651 00:31:12,913 --> 00:31:16,208 when the New York Attorney General started to cramp their style. 652 00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,586 Reporter: "The Economist" magazine calls him 653 00:31:18,752 --> 00:31:21,297 "Wall Street's scourger-in-chief." 654 00:31:21,463 --> 00:31:23,263 Reporter #2: He's gone from complete anonymity 655 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:27,845 to what "Fortune" magazine calls "the most feared man on Wall Street." 656 00:31:28,012 --> 00:31:31,390 Spitzer has deputized himself as the Sheriff of Wall Street 657 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:33,976 and is leading the posse for retribution, 658 00:31:34,143 --> 00:31:36,061 restitution and reform. 659 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:39,523 Narrator: Spitzer appealed to Democrats and Republicans. 660 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:43,360 He was a law-and-order liberal who wasn't afraid to punch back. 661 00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:44,807 When you go down to Wall Street, 662 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:46,756 like when you walk into a building on Wall Street, 663 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:48,508 is it like turning the light on in the kitchen 664 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:50,372 and the roaches just scatter everywhere you go? 665 00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:52,292 - Well, y'know... - Are you a beam of light... 666 00:31:52,328 --> 00:31:55,372 It is... there was a day that I had to walk into a hedge fund... 667 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,124 Ken Langone: What I was intrigued by... 668 00:31:57,291 --> 00:31:59,251 The number of people that were terrified by him. 669 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:01,670 I mean, they literally were terrified 670 00:32:01,837 --> 00:32:03,797 at this guy coming after them. 671 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:13,015 Spitzer: The issue of CEO comp was something I had been trying 672 00:32:13,182 --> 00:32:14,767 to get people to take a look at. 673 00:32:14,934 --> 00:32:17,227 It was off the rails. 674 00:32:17,394 --> 00:32:19,647 ♪ I'll take what I want ♪ 675 00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:23,901 ♪ I'm a bad go-getter, yeah ♪ 676 00:32:24,068 --> 00:32:26,695 ♪ Ha! Yes I am ♪ 677 00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:31,659 ♪ I'm never a loser ♪ 678 00:32:31,825 --> 00:32:34,870 ♪ And I'm never a quitter, yeah... ♪ 679 00:32:35,037 --> 00:32:37,498 Spitzer: The ratio of CEO comp to the average worker's comp 680 00:32:37,665 --> 00:32:40,751 had gone from about 40 to 1 to about 550 to 1. 681 00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:43,796 CEOs began to just take everything they could 682 00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:47,174 and ultimately that was going to destroy our economy. 683 00:32:47,341 --> 00:32:49,760 Because instead of running the companies to create 684 00:32:49,927 --> 00:32:51,887 long-term wealth and long-term investment, 685 00:32:52,054 --> 00:32:53,472 all the games we've seen... 686 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:55,557 Everything from backdating of stock options 687 00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:58,060 to maximizing short-term profits 688 00:32:58,227 --> 00:33:00,813 without sufficient investment for the long term... 689 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,608 These are things that are cancers inside the economy. 690 00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:08,278 ♪ 'Cause I'll take what I want, yeah, baby. ♪ 691 00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:10,256 Narrator: One of the flashiest executives was head 692 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,158 of the New York Stock Exchange: Dick Grasso, 693 00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:16,078 who boasted owning 10 cars and three homes. 694 00:33:16,245 --> 00:33:19,832 He traveled on private jets, often flanked by armed bodyguards. 695 00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:23,794 His job was to regulate and market the New York Stock Exchange. 696 00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:25,254 Nicknamed "Punky," 697 00:33:25,421 --> 00:33:27,756 Grasso was a scrappy college dropout 698 00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:30,259 who started on the floor and worked his way up. 699 00:33:30,426 --> 00:33:32,678 There's a job opening at the New York Stock Exchange. 700 00:33:32,845 --> 00:33:34,930 Chairman Dick Grasso resigned yesterday 701 00:33:35,097 --> 00:33:37,641 over the fury raised by his massive pay package. 702 00:33:37,808 --> 00:33:40,936 Narrator: Not only was Grasso paid an average annual salary 703 00:33:41,103 --> 00:33:42,855 of $20 million, 704 00:33:43,022 --> 00:33:47,901 his retirement package totaled nearly $140 million. 705 00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:51,739 After Grasso stepped down, the new head of the Exchange 706 00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:54,116 brought the matter to the attorney general. 707 00:33:54,283 --> 00:33:57,578 Spitzer: There's a statute in New York that says the value 708 00:33:57,745 --> 00:34:01,206 of the paycheck that the head of a not-for-profit receives 709 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:05,002 must be commensurate with the value of the services provided. 710 00:34:05,169 --> 00:34:07,296 I like Dick. He's a decent guy. 711 00:34:07,463 --> 00:34:10,799 He didn't provide services worth $139 million. 712 00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:13,260 Perhaps more perversely, 713 00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:16,055 the compensation had been determined 714 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:19,433 by the very people he was supposed to be regulating. 715 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,271 I had the most respected group of directors 716 00:34:24,438 --> 00:34:26,273 from the corporate and financial world. 717 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,358 They exercised their business judgment. 718 00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:32,029 They paid me what they believed to be fair and reasonable, 719 00:34:32,196 --> 00:34:33,572 which I... I agree with. 720 00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:36,158 Narrator: Spitzer decided not to go after 721 00:34:36,325 --> 00:34:38,285 the blue-chip international board. 722 00:34:38,452 --> 00:34:40,662 Instead, he sued Grasso and the head 723 00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:42,498 of the board's compensation committee, 724 00:34:42,664 --> 00:34:43,916 Ken Langone. 725 00:34:44,083 --> 00:34:48,212 Langone would prove to be a formidable foe. 726 00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:49,689 I've been rich and I've been poor. 727 00:34:49,713 --> 00:34:52,424 Rich is better, I can tell ya right now. 728 00:34:54,218 --> 00:34:56,637 Narrator: The son of a Long Island plumber, 729 00:34:56,804 --> 00:34:59,056 Ken Langone had cofounded Home Depot 730 00:34:59,223 --> 00:35:02,017 and amassed a fortune of well over a billion dollars. 731 00:35:02,184 --> 00:35:05,270 A dedicated philanthropist, Langone was not shy 732 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,731 about paying people well. 733 00:35:07,898 --> 00:35:11,693 Langone: At the time we awarded Dick these pay packages, 734 00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:15,197 I truly believed that Dick earned every single penny, 735 00:35:15,364 --> 00:35:16,949 and more! 736 00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:20,619 Narrator: Spitzer demanded that Grasso return $100 million. 737 00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:23,413 At the time, Langone told "Fortune" magazine: 738 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:26,083 "If Grasso gives back a fucking nickel, 739 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:28,043 I'll never talk to him again." 740 00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:30,129 Spitzer: He, as anybody in that position would, 741 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,172 took umbrage at it. And he developed 742 00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:35,050 a rather strong animus towards me. 743 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,056 The day that I sat in this room 744 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:43,976 and he went on television 745 00:35:44,143 --> 00:35:47,354 with that farce press conference he had, 746 00:35:47,521 --> 00:35:51,233 announcing that he was going after Dick Grasso and me 747 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,403 and all kinds of bad things about me and... 748 00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:58,740 Eliot's theatrics. 749 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:00,993 You can't pay the head of a not-for-profit 750 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,997 that much money... Close to $200 million. 751 00:36:05,164 --> 00:36:07,583 It's simply too much. It's not reasonable. 752 00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:09,585 It's not right. It violates the law. 753 00:36:09,751 --> 00:36:12,796 Langone: It was headlines, it was glorious headlines! 754 00:36:12,963 --> 00:36:14,965 All these captains of industry! 755 00:36:15,132 --> 00:36:16,758 Hey, this is big game. 756 00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:18,802 This is going after elephants. 757 00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:22,222 Spitzer: He became a very vociferous critic of mine. 758 00:36:22,389 --> 00:36:23,891 And that's all fair game. 759 00:36:24,057 --> 00:36:26,727 In my view we were right and he was wrong. 760 00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:29,438 But again it was something he felt deeply about. 761 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:34,776 Narrator: In 2004 at the Democratic National Convention 762 00:36:34,943 --> 00:36:36,987 Spitzer took up the issue with Jack Welch, 763 00:36:37,154 --> 00:36:39,948 the former CEO of General Electric. 764 00:36:40,115 --> 00:36:42,159 Langone: Jack and I are very good friends. 765 00:36:42,326 --> 00:36:45,287 Spitzer came up to him with froth 766 00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:48,373 coming out of the sides of his mouth, spitting, 767 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:51,585 I mean, so exercised, and pointing at Jack: 768 00:36:51,752 --> 00:36:54,046 "You tell your buddy 769 00:36:54,213 --> 00:36:57,341 I'm gonna put a spike through his heart!" 770 00:36:57,507 --> 00:36:59,635 This is not something the Attorney General 771 00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:01,053 of New York State says. 772 00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:03,260 So when Jack told me, I said, "Jack, do me a favor." 773 00:37:03,347 --> 00:37:06,225 I said, "If you see him, tell him one thing: 774 00:37:06,391 --> 00:37:08,977 make sure it's steel, because wood'll break." 775 00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:13,398 Narrator: The case dragged on for years. 776 00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:15,651 In 2008, the New York State Court of Appeals 777 00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:18,070 dismissed the case for a bizarre reason: 778 00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:20,822 since the suit had been brought, the New York Stock Exchange 779 00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:23,659 had abandoned its not-for-profit status. 780 00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:26,245 Dick Grasso kept all his money. 781 00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:28,664 But Eliot Spitzer had engaged an enemy 782 00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:31,124 with virtually unlimited resources, 783 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:34,002 one who was watching and waiting for any misstep. 784 00:37:35,545 --> 00:37:37,756 I'd like to think 785 00:37:37,923 --> 00:37:40,175 I'm not a vindictive person. 786 00:37:42,511 --> 00:37:45,514 And a basic tenet of my faith is forgiveness. 787 00:37:47,224 --> 00:37:50,227 The most harm that Eliot Spitzer has done to me 788 00:37:50,394 --> 00:37:53,230 is I am defying my faith. 789 00:37:53,397 --> 00:37:55,023 I can't forgive him 790 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,234 and I should, but I can't. 791 00:38:10,163 --> 00:38:13,417 Narrator: In Ken Langone, Spitzer had created a mighty enemy. 792 00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:16,712 And then he added another one when he took on Hank Greenberg, 793 00:38:16,878 --> 00:38:20,299 the head of the world's largest insurance company, AIG. 794 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:28,223 At the age of 79, Maurice "Hank" Greenberg 795 00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:31,143 was the most powerful businessman on the planet. 796 00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:33,520 Under his command AIG had grown 797 00:38:33,687 --> 00:38:36,440 to be worth $157 billion 798 00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:39,026 with 92,000 employees. 799 00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,903 Admired for his spectacular results, 800 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:45,115 Greenberg ruled his empire with an iron fist. 801 00:38:45,282 --> 00:38:48,285 I think he was Louis XIV to everybody else's, 802 00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:50,412 you know, being a mere baron. 803 00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:54,124 I think Hank Greenberg epitomized 804 00:38:54,291 --> 00:38:57,711 the power of corporate CEOs, and in my view, 805 00:38:57,878 --> 00:39:00,881 he was the most powerful person in corporate America. 806 00:39:01,048 --> 00:39:03,133 Narrator: Greenberg's measure of his own worth 807 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,053 was the stock price at AIG. 808 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:09,639 The normal cycle of business is that sometimes your profits go up 809 00:39:09,806 --> 00:39:11,475 and sometimes your profits go down. 810 00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,019 But Wall Street didn't like companies to perform that way. 811 00:39:14,186 --> 00:39:16,480 They wanted to see steadily rising profits. 812 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,648 If you delivered steadily rising profits, 813 00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:20,650 they'd give you a higher stock price. 814 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:23,403 So Hank Greenberg came up with a new type of insurance 815 00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:26,823 that would create the illusion of steadily rising earnings. 816 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:30,369 Narrator: Greenberg's AIG was fined over $100 million 817 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,162 by federal authorities 818 00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:35,123 for helping other companies cook their books. 819 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,793 In 2005 it appeared that AIG might be 820 00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:41,213 using similar tricks to pump up its own stock. 821 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:44,591 Spitzer: The more we dug into AIG, 822 00:39:44,758 --> 00:39:46,468 the more problematic 823 00:39:46,635 --> 00:39:50,222 the company itself appeared to me to be. 824 00:39:50,389 --> 00:39:54,017 And the disconcerting aspect of it 825 00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:58,063 was that it did appear to come from the very top. 826 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:02,651 Interviewer: When did you first hear about 827 00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:05,862 Spitzer's investigation of AIG? 828 00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:08,031 When I got a subpoena. 829 00:40:08,198 --> 00:40:10,450 Narrator: One deal generated by Greenberg 830 00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:13,370 caught the eye of Spitzer and federal investigators. 831 00:40:13,537 --> 00:40:16,998 It was a suspicious contract between AIG and Gen Re, 832 00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:20,794 a company owned by billionaire Warren Buffett. 833 00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:23,255 One of the most startling moments in this case 834 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,799 was when tapes emerged 835 00:40:25,966 --> 00:40:29,052 that were dispositive, overwhelming proof 836 00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:31,012 of exactly what these transactions had been. 837 00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:34,724 As this was unfolding, Dick Beattie called me 838 00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:38,270 one Saturday morning at home and said let's talk about this. 839 00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:42,858 The board wanted me to find out what I could 840 00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,986 about the Gen Re investigation. 841 00:40:46,153 --> 00:40:48,738 Eliot was jogging on a Saturday morning or something. 842 00:40:48,905 --> 00:40:50,365 I met him in the park. 843 00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:54,286 The only thing of significance he told me, as I recall, 844 00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:58,081 was that they had Hank... 845 00:40:58,248 --> 00:41:01,209 Hank's name on tapes. 846 00:41:20,645 --> 00:41:23,690 Narrator: To boost his stock price, Hank Greenberg wanted 847 00:41:23,857 --> 00:41:28,945 to make it look like AIG had $500 million more than it did. 848 00:41:29,112 --> 00:41:31,114 The original phone call was to see if we could get 849 00:41:31,281 --> 00:41:33,700 a lost portfolio from Ron Ferguson. 850 00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:35,494 What happened afterwards, I don't know. 851 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:39,080 I... I didn't... I wasn't involved in the details of the transaction. 852 00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:15,534 Narrator: A handwritten deal memo laid out the terms: 853 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,955 Gen Re would pretend to pay AIG $500 million 854 00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:22,082 in two installments 855 00:42:22,249 --> 00:42:24,543 for a phony insurance policy. 856 00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:26,628 There was no risk of paying a claim. 857 00:42:29,256 --> 00:42:32,384 For doing the phony deal, AIG would pay Gen Re 858 00:42:32,551 --> 00:42:34,886 a $5-million fee. 859 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:39,015 Houldsworth: No risk. No risk for 5 million bucks. 860 00:42:39,182 --> 00:42:41,601 Narrator: Hank Greenberg's initials, MRG, 861 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:43,395 were all over the document. 862 00:42:43,562 --> 00:42:45,331 Monrad: The two people at AIG who are involved 863 00:42:45,355 --> 00:42:47,941 are Hank Greenberg and Chris Milton. 864 00:42:48,108 --> 00:42:50,026 AIG was a big company. 865 00:42:50,193 --> 00:42:52,070 I didn't... I didn't stay focused 866 00:42:52,237 --> 00:42:54,739 on-on... on the Gen Re transaction. 867 00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:10,505 Man: Yes. ( laughs ) 868 00:43:10,672 --> 00:43:12,424 Graham: That sorta gives you somethin'... 869 00:43:12,591 --> 00:43:14,968 Man: Yeah, that tells you somethin', doesn't it? Yeah. 870 00:43:15,135 --> 00:43:17,304 Narrator: What was an unfair advantage to Greenberg 871 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:20,265 was seen as cooking the books to AIG's accountants, 872 00:43:20,432 --> 00:43:22,434 Pricewaterhouse Coopers. 873 00:43:22,601 --> 00:43:25,520 The firm refused to accept AIG's financial statements 874 00:43:25,687 --> 00:43:28,273 as long as Greenberg was the CEO. 875 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,986 Hank wasn't pushed out by... by Eliot. 876 00:43:33,153 --> 00:43:36,364 What happened was the investigation that followed 877 00:43:36,531 --> 00:43:38,908 and the accountants, at the end of the day, 878 00:43:39,075 --> 00:43:41,786 said, "We're not taking that certification anymore." 879 00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:43,793 So you're sitting here as a board of directors, 880 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:45,874 saying, "My God, what does that mean?" 881 00:43:46,041 --> 00:43:48,376 That's what drove the board 882 00:43:48,543 --> 00:43:51,254 deciding that Hank had to go. And one other issue. 883 00:43:51,421 --> 00:43:52,881 Narrator: Spitzer demanded 884 00:43:53,048 --> 00:43:55,175 that Hank Greenberg testify under oath. 885 00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:57,510 However Greenberg's lawyers advised him 886 00:43:57,677 --> 00:44:00,472 to plead the Fifth, despite AIG's policy 887 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,059 to fire employees who didn't cooperate with regulators. 888 00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:08,104 That troubled a lot of people on the board. 889 00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:11,149 They wanted him to say, you know, "Absolutely not. 890 00:44:11,316 --> 00:44:13,777 I'm not gonna take the Fifth. I'm gonna testify." 891 00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:18,073 I think Frank Zarb and I called Hank 892 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,117 and told him that the board had made the decision 893 00:44:21,284 --> 00:44:23,787 that he had to step down. 894 00:44:23,953 --> 00:44:25,622 These are very serious offenses, 895 00:44:25,789 --> 00:44:28,083 over a billion dollars of accounting frauds 896 00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:30,543 that AIG has already acknowledged. 897 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:33,505 That company was a black box run with an iron fist 898 00:44:33,672 --> 00:44:36,758 by a CEO who did not tell the public the truth. 899 00:44:36,925 --> 00:44:37,926 That is the problem. 900 00:44:38,093 --> 00:44:39,904 So does that mean you're moving toward an indictment? 901 00:44:39,928 --> 00:44:41,781 No, I didn't say that. It depends what we will prove, 902 00:44:41,805 --> 00:44:43,973 or can prove that Mr. Greenberg knew at the time. 903 00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:46,118 We have powerful evidence. We will proceed with it. 904 00:44:46,142 --> 00:44:49,104 It's too bad that the attorney general 905 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:52,607 doesn't come out from behind his office, 906 00:44:52,774 --> 00:44:55,443 where he's protected against libel. 907 00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:58,530 I wish he'd come out and say these things as a citizen. 908 00:44:58,697 --> 00:45:01,116 Spitzer attacked Greenberg, 909 00:45:01,282 --> 00:45:05,161 and I saw him on television one night 910 00:45:05,328 --> 00:45:08,873 saying that Hank Greenberg was a crook. 911 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,501 Narrator: John Whitehead had been a war hero, 912 00:45:11,668 --> 00:45:13,461 a Deputy Secretary of State 913 00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,297 and the chairman of Goldman Sachs. 914 00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:19,134 And his office continued to leak information 915 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:20,885 about why he was a crook 916 00:45:21,052 --> 00:45:24,514 without ever any charges being brought against Hank. 917 00:45:24,681 --> 00:45:27,684 So I said this is something I have to do something about. 918 00:45:27,851 --> 00:45:31,438 So that's what caused me to write that first article. 919 00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:35,400 "Something has gone seriously awry 920 00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:39,112 when a state attorney general can go on television 921 00:45:39,279 --> 00:45:42,782 and charge one of America's best CEOs 922 00:45:42,949 --> 00:45:45,910 and most generous philanthropists 923 00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:49,581 with fraud before any charges have been brought, 924 00:45:49,748 --> 00:45:52,709 before the possible defendant has even had a chance 925 00:45:52,876 --> 00:45:56,212 to know what he personally is alleged to have done 926 00:45:56,379 --> 00:45:59,799 and while the investigation is still underway." 927 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:03,219 That was the thing that set me off. 928 00:46:03,386 --> 00:46:05,138 I had heard of an incident involving 929 00:46:05,305 --> 00:46:07,474 former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead. 930 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,517 Mr. Whitehead had come out publicly 931 00:46:09,684 --> 00:46:11,060 supporting Mr. Greenberg. 932 00:46:11,227 --> 00:46:13,354 After that op-ed was published, 933 00:46:13,521 --> 00:46:16,941 he received a threatening phone call from Eliot Spitzer. 934 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:21,237 He asked me a couple of questions about my article. 935 00:46:21,404 --> 00:46:22,822 And then he came right to the point. 936 00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:24,866 He said, "Mr. Whitehead," he said, 937 00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:27,202 "You and I are now at war." 938 00:46:27,368 --> 00:46:29,621 You know, look, he had... He had written an op. 939 00:46:29,788 --> 00:46:31,831 I don't know if I said those words or not. 940 00:46:31,998 --> 00:46:34,918 If that's the worst I said, you know, okay, that's... 941 00:46:35,084 --> 00:46:36,753 People are at war with me all the time. 942 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,760 Interviewer: "You have fired the first bullet." 943 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:41,549 "You have fired the first bullet. 944 00:46:41,716 --> 00:46:44,135 But believe me, by the end of this war, 945 00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:47,764 I will fire the last one and you will be dead." 946 00:46:47,931 --> 00:46:49,742 Well, I don't think I said that. I mean, John White... 947 00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:52,086 I wouldn't say... I... I... Look, I hope I didn't say that. 948 00:46:52,143 --> 00:46:53,978 He was screaming into the phone. 949 00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:56,523 He and I had a heated conversation. 950 00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:58,626 I will leave it at that. It was a private conversation. 951 00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:00,401 As I've said, I've never denied 952 00:47:00,568 --> 00:47:02,213 that I have heated conversations in private. 953 00:47:02,237 --> 00:47:06,908 It's... it was me, it is me, so be it. 954 00:47:07,075 --> 00:47:09,619 And I think sometimes it's how you get things done. 955 00:47:09,786 --> 00:47:13,623 He said, "I will destroy you." 956 00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:16,334 And those are... Those are strong words. 957 00:47:16,501 --> 00:47:20,046 I had never heard words like that before from anybody. 958 00:47:20,213 --> 00:47:21,714 I couldn't quite believe it. 959 00:47:23,174 --> 00:47:26,427 Narrator: Spitzer's outbursts became legendary to his staff. 960 00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:28,388 When he exploded, his staff would remark 961 00:47:28,555 --> 00:47:30,932 that Spitzer's evil twin "Irwin" 962 00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:33,726 had dropped in for an unexpected visit. 963 00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:37,438 In fact, a very prominent lawyer 964 00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:41,401 of a very fine company had a meeting with him. 965 00:47:41,568 --> 00:47:43,862 And this man said to me, 966 00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:48,116 "When I came out of his office, I swore I saw the words E-V-I-L 967 00:47:48,283 --> 00:47:50,159 across his forehead." 968 00:47:50,326 --> 00:47:53,371 I have no doubt if Hank Greenberg were still running AIG, 969 00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,790 AIG would not be in the fix it's in today. 970 00:47:55,957 --> 00:47:58,835 Today the federal government announced it has once again 971 00:47:59,002 --> 00:48:02,630 reworked the bailout of insurance giant AIG. 972 00:48:02,797 --> 00:48:04,799 Reporter: Now the bailout needs a bailout. 973 00:48:04,966 --> 00:48:06,843 Two months after AIG was given 974 00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:09,178 that first emergency government loan, 975 00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:10,930 it's getting another lifeline. 976 00:48:11,097 --> 00:48:14,142 Narrator: In 2008 AIG was at the center 977 00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:16,519 of a global economic meltdown. 978 00:48:16,686 --> 00:48:18,646 Before and after Greenberg's fall, 979 00:48:18,813 --> 00:48:21,691 AIG had been selling billions of dollars of insurance 980 00:48:21,858 --> 00:48:23,568 to the world's biggest banks 981 00:48:23,735 --> 00:48:26,738 to hide their risky gambles on home mortgages. 982 00:48:28,114 --> 00:48:31,534 When housing prices collapsed, AIG couldn't pay the claims, 983 00:48:31,701 --> 00:48:34,954 and US taxpayers paid $183 billion 984 00:48:35,121 --> 00:48:38,750 in an effort to save the global economy from collapse. 985 00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:43,504 According to Greenberg, the blame for AIG's fall 986 00:48:43,671 --> 00:48:47,050 and the global meltdown rested with one regulator... 987 00:48:47,216 --> 00:48:49,469 Eliot Spitzer. 988 00:48:49,636 --> 00:48:51,679 Spitzer wanted me out. 989 00:48:52,805 --> 00:48:55,350 When politicians involve themselves 990 00:48:55,516 --> 00:48:58,728 in who is going to run a company and who is not, 991 00:48:58,895 --> 00:49:01,689 we're on dangerous ground in this country. 992 00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:04,692 Spitzer: It is the big lie writ large. 993 00:49:04,859 --> 00:49:07,737 The books were being cooked at his company. 994 00:49:07,904 --> 00:49:11,616 Hank Greenberg was removed as CEO by his own board 995 00:49:11,783 --> 00:49:14,494 when they saw the underlying facts 996 00:49:14,661 --> 00:49:17,789 of what was then one of the largest financial frauds in history. 997 00:49:17,956 --> 00:49:19,499 I didn't do anything improper. 998 00:49:19,666 --> 00:49:23,002 Neither did any of the senior team do anything improper. 999 00:49:24,379 --> 00:49:26,714 Interviewer: You say to people, if Hank Greenberg had 1000 00:49:26,881 --> 00:49:28,801 still been there, this would never have happened? 1001 00:49:28,967 --> 00:49:30,969 It would not have happened. 1002 00:49:31,135 --> 00:49:33,388 Spitzer: The very trading practices that led to these 1003 00:49:33,554 --> 00:49:35,640 gargantuan obligations 1004 00:49:35,807 --> 00:49:37,809 that taxpayers are now bailing out 1005 00:49:37,976 --> 00:49:40,061 all began while he was there: 1006 00:49:40,228 --> 00:49:41,813 Very significant accounting frauds, 1007 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:45,233 reinsurance contracts which he participated in structuring 1008 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,194 that were deemed by a federal jury 1009 00:49:48,361 --> 00:49:50,446 in Connecticut to be illegal. 1010 00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:51,864 Four people went to jail. 1011 00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:53,783 He was called an unindicted co-conspirator 1012 00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:55,535 by the prosecutor in that case. 1013 00:49:55,702 --> 00:49:57,620 So his maintaining uninvolvement 1014 00:49:57,787 --> 00:50:00,832 in the structural issues is simply wrong. 1015 00:50:00,999 --> 00:50:03,626 Narrator: Spitzer wanted to prosecute Greenberg 1016 00:50:03,793 --> 00:50:06,587 for financial manipulation, but was called off the case 1017 00:50:06,754 --> 00:50:09,340 by the US Attorney Michael Garcia. 1018 00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:13,886 Spitzer: Michael Garcia sent me an over-the-top letter 1019 00:50:14,053 --> 00:50:17,098 when we were going to include 1020 00:50:17,265 --> 00:50:19,225 significant allegations 1021 00:50:19,392 --> 00:50:22,520 relating to Hank Greenberg in our AIG complaint, 1022 00:50:22,687 --> 00:50:24,689 telling us to back off. 1023 00:50:24,856 --> 00:50:28,609 And it was a moment of... 1024 00:50:28,776 --> 00:50:31,195 I don't want to say there was anything improper 1025 00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:32,989 about the letter that Garcia sent, 1026 00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:35,324 but he basically said, "Don't you dare go near this. 1027 00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:38,703 We're doing this," relating to Hank Greenberg. 1028 00:50:44,042 --> 00:50:47,754 Narrator: Michael Garcia never pursued charges against Greenberg. 1029 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,715 Instead he would lead the prosecution 1030 00:50:50,882 --> 00:50:53,009 that led to Spitzer's downfall. 1031 00:50:54,302 --> 00:50:55,970 Both Greenberg and Langone 1032 00:50:56,137 --> 00:50:58,765 hired PR firms to go after Spitzer. 1033 00:50:58,931 --> 00:51:01,350 And Langone hired a private investigator 1034 00:51:01,517 --> 00:51:03,895 to find out what he could. 1035 00:51:05,063 --> 00:51:07,523 Interviewer: I want to move on to the... To The Emperors Club. 1036 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:11,611 When did that start, approximately? 1037 00:51:11,778 --> 00:51:14,447 - Sometime in '06. - Early '06? 1038 00:51:14,614 --> 00:51:17,158 Thereabouts, yeah. 1039 00:51:17,325 --> 00:51:21,204 You were flying about as high as you could possibly be flying. 1040 00:51:21,370 --> 00:51:23,164 - Mm-hmm. - And this is prior to... 1041 00:51:23,331 --> 00:51:25,917 At that point in time, you were pretty certain 1042 00:51:26,084 --> 00:51:27,519 you were gonna be Governor of New York, 1043 00:51:27,543 --> 00:51:29,545 - wouldn't you say? - Right. Well, really, look. 1044 00:51:29,712 --> 00:51:31,672 If your point is things were 1045 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:34,258 as good as they could get, 1046 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:37,428 from a political perspective, I suppose that's right. 1047 00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:41,682 And the only metaphor 1048 00:51:41,849 --> 00:51:44,685 I can think of perhaps is Icarus. 1049 00:51:46,437 --> 00:51:48,189 Those whom the gods would destroy, 1050 00:51:48,356 --> 00:51:50,024 they make all-powerful. 1051 00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:02,620 A friend of mine recently gave me a T-shirt 1052 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:06,541 that he claimed he had had printed 1053 00:52:06,707 --> 00:52:08,918 for investment banker friends of his. 1054 00:52:09,085 --> 00:52:10,354 But he thought I would enjoy it, 1055 00:52:10,378 --> 00:52:12,380 and maybe I could maybe even learn from it. 1056 00:52:12,547 --> 00:52:16,676 The T-shirt said on its front, "Hubris is terminal." 1057 00:52:16,843 --> 00:52:19,512 ♪ If I ruled the world ♪ 1058 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:21,806 ( laughing ) 1059 00:52:21,973 --> 00:52:23,975 ♪ I'd love all the girls ♪ 1060 00:52:24,142 --> 00:52:25,977 ♪ I love 'em, love 'em, baby. ♪ 1061 00:52:26,144 --> 00:52:27,812 I'm not a kingmaker. 1062 00:52:27,979 --> 00:52:29,456 But I'm gonna call it... You're gonna win. 1063 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,833 - Well, thank you. - I'll tell you why. 1064 00:52:30,857 --> 00:52:33,001 - I'm glad I came tonight. - Well, absolutely, it's done. 1065 00:52:33,025 --> 00:52:34,235 Narrator: In early 2006 1066 00:52:34,402 --> 00:52:36,112 Spitzer's approval ratings were over 60%. 1067 00:52:36,279 --> 00:52:38,030 He had announced his run for governor 1068 00:52:38,197 --> 00:52:40,158 and was predicted to win in a landslide. 1069 00:52:40,324 --> 00:52:43,161 You could do anything. You could punch a toddler and still win. 1070 00:52:43,327 --> 00:52:47,415 Narrator: His career was every politician's dream. 1071 00:52:47,582 --> 00:52:48,583 No, I was the enforcer. 1072 00:52:48,749 --> 00:52:50,626 I mean, I was the kid who played left fullback, 1073 00:52:50,793 --> 00:52:52,879 not because I had real talent, but I took people out. 1074 00:52:53,045 --> 00:52:56,841 You play hard, you play rough and hopefully you don't get caught. 1075 00:52:57,008 --> 00:52:58,634 ( laughs ) 1076 00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:00,678 Narrator: Right around this time, Cecil Suwal, 1077 00:53:00,845 --> 00:53:03,222 the 22-year-old CEO of The Emperors Club, 1078 00:53:03,389 --> 00:53:05,850 took a phone call from a new customer. 1079 00:53:06,017 --> 00:53:08,269 Though he used the name "George Fox," 1080 00:53:08,436 --> 00:53:10,980 it was actually Eliot Spitzer. 1081 00:53:11,147 --> 00:53:13,107 The very first time that he called, 1082 00:53:13,274 --> 00:53:15,193 I answered the phone. 1083 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:18,070 And he called and he was whispering. 1084 00:53:18,237 --> 00:53:20,364 So I thought it was a prank. 1085 00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:22,867 And so the other Booker called and said, 1086 00:53:23,034 --> 00:53:25,328 "Okay, I'm ready to start answering the phones." 1087 00:53:25,494 --> 00:53:27,413 So we transferred the phone to her, and I said, 1088 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:28,765 "Oh, I just spoke with someone. 1089 00:53:28,789 --> 00:53:30,666 You know, I'm gonna let you handle that." 1090 00:53:30,833 --> 00:53:34,754 And apparently, he saw, I think, three people in a row, 1091 00:53:34,921 --> 00:53:36,589 just back to back that evening. 1092 00:53:36,756 --> 00:53:38,883 So I guess it wasn't a prank. 1093 00:53:39,050 --> 00:53:41,135 Narrator: Reading "New York" magazine, 1094 00:53:41,302 --> 00:53:44,639 George Fox, AKA Eliot Spitzer, 1095 00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,600 claims he was drawn to websites in the classified ads, 1096 00:53:47,767 --> 00:53:51,187 and while surfing the web, found The Emperors Club. 1097 00:53:51,354 --> 00:53:53,397 ♪ Secret heart ♪ 1098 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:56,067 ♪ What are you made of? ♪ 1099 00:53:56,234 --> 00:54:00,488 ♪ What are you so afraid of? ♪ 1100 00:54:00,655 --> 00:54:02,990 ♪ Could it be ♪ 1101 00:54:03,157 --> 00:54:05,785 ♪ Three simple words? ♪ 1102 00:54:05,952 --> 00:54:08,371 Suwal: When you're sending a girl on a trip to Chicago 1103 00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:10,373 for $30,000 overnight, 1104 00:54:10,539 --> 00:54:14,877 it doesn't necessarily feel like you're running "prostitution." 1105 00:54:15,044 --> 00:54:16,712 It feels different. 1106 00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:19,257 And so that's where I think we got a little bit lost, 1107 00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:22,385 as far as the whole legality of the situation. 1108 00:54:22,551 --> 00:54:26,514 ♪ This buried secret that you'll try... ♪ 1109 00:54:26,681 --> 00:54:29,392 Narrator: Cecil Suwal dropped out of the University of Miami 1110 00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:32,228 when she fell in love with 60-year-old Mark Brener, 1111 00:54:32,395 --> 00:54:33,729 who owned The Emperors Club. 1112 00:54:33,896 --> 00:54:36,816 Soon they were running it together. 1113 00:54:36,983 --> 00:54:38,526 The night that they arrested us, 1114 00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:41,112 we were just sleeping together in our... 1115 00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:42,446 You know, holding each other. 1116 00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:44,657 We really just loved each other. 1117 00:54:44,824 --> 00:54:46,826 Not only were we lovers, 1118 00:54:46,993 --> 00:54:48,828 but we also had the business, 1119 00:54:48,995 --> 00:54:51,205 so everything was all wrapped up into one. 1120 00:54:51,372 --> 00:54:54,458 And I love him, so... I still do. 1121 00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:56,711 ♪ Come out and share it. ♪ 1122 00:54:56,877 --> 00:54:58,462 Narrator: "Cece," as she was called, 1123 00:54:58,629 --> 00:55:00,298 decided to take The Emperors Club 1124 00:55:00,464 --> 00:55:02,049 in a more high-end direction. 1125 00:55:02,216 --> 00:55:04,051 My primary focus at the time 1126 00:55:04,218 --> 00:55:07,471 was to promote the website to the right people, 1127 00:55:07,638 --> 00:55:11,559 to the right kinds of girls, 1128 00:55:11,726 --> 00:55:14,520 who... the kind who, you know, are well-educated 1129 00:55:14,687 --> 00:55:16,355 and come from good families. 1130 00:55:16,522 --> 00:55:19,608 The number of diamonds that the model had 1131 00:55:19,775 --> 00:55:22,653 indicated not only her hourly and daily rate, 1132 00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:26,657 but also just the general quality of companionship 1133 00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:28,159 you could expect from her. 1134 00:55:28,326 --> 00:55:29,910 So if she was three diamonds, 1135 00:55:30,077 --> 00:55:31,912 her daily rate would be 10,000 1136 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,290 and her hourly rate would be 1,000. 1137 00:55:34,457 --> 00:55:37,001 It went 1000, 1200, 1500, 1138 00:55:37,168 --> 00:55:39,420 2100, 3100. 1139 00:55:39,587 --> 00:55:42,465 And then the day rates, you would just add a zero. 1140 00:55:42,631 --> 00:55:44,592 ( laughs ) I did that. 1141 00:55:44,759 --> 00:55:47,261 With mathematical precision, right? 1142 00:55:47,428 --> 00:55:50,264 Tsss! Whatever! 1143 00:55:50,431 --> 00:55:52,767 Just add a zero, that should work. 1144 00:55:54,477 --> 00:55:57,188 We had our core girls that we immensely valued, 1145 00:55:57,355 --> 00:55:59,275 that really could, you know, bring home the bacon 1146 00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:01,609 and then we had the sort of spiral effect. 1147 00:56:01,776 --> 00:56:04,487 Ashley went for 1,000. 1148 00:56:08,032 --> 00:56:09,658 She certainly wasn't the core. 1149 00:56:09,825 --> 00:56:12,620 She was definitely one of the girls, like, on the edges, 1150 00:56:12,787 --> 00:56:14,372 the sort of peripheries. 1151 00:56:16,248 --> 00:56:17,958 We had people working with us in LA, 1152 00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:21,337 Miami, New York, London, Paris. 1153 00:56:21,504 --> 00:56:23,172 They were just all over the world. 1154 00:56:23,339 --> 00:56:25,800 ( bagpipes playing ) 1155 00:56:25,966 --> 00:56:27,885 Narrator: The club's richest client in London 1156 00:56:28,052 --> 00:56:29,595 was the Duke of Westminster. 1157 00:56:29,762 --> 00:56:32,098 One of his dates was Zana Brazdek. 1158 00:56:32,264 --> 00:56:35,518 Suwal: She drank an entire bottle of champagne 1159 00:56:35,684 --> 00:56:37,937 and he doesn't drink alcohol. 1160 00:56:38,104 --> 00:56:40,231 So she got drunk, 1161 00:56:40,398 --> 00:56:43,984 and once she figured out who it was, 1162 00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:48,114 went to the reporters and, you know, 1163 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,199 it was sort of a mishap, if you will. 1164 00:56:50,366 --> 00:56:53,369 Narrator: Zana had violated the employment standards 1165 00:56:53,536 --> 00:56:55,955 of the club and had to be terminated. 1166 00:56:56,122 --> 00:56:57,164 ♪ Very secret... ♪ 1167 00:56:57,331 --> 00:57:00,501 Suwal: I began seeking out fashion models 1168 00:57:00,668 --> 00:57:04,880 and the absolute highest financial elite as clients 1169 00:57:05,047 --> 00:57:07,800 and sort of putting them together and then charging a fee. 1170 00:57:07,967 --> 00:57:10,845 Interviewer: So I get it. So that was the rationale then. 1171 00:57:11,011 --> 00:57:13,139 In other words so long as you presented it 1172 00:57:13,305 --> 00:57:16,684 as a get-together service, 1173 00:57:16,851 --> 00:57:19,854 then you weren't doing anything illegal. 1174 00:57:21,605 --> 00:57:23,274 Yeah. 1175 00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:29,864 Narrator: The man known as George Fox became a regular client. 1176 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:33,742 Interviewer: How often did he meet with Ashley, or "Kristen"? 1177 00:57:33,909 --> 00:57:36,203 Well, he met her one time 1178 00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:41,542 and that was the big Mayflower experience for him, I guess. 1179 00:57:41,709 --> 00:57:43,794 Interviewer: But it was just that one time? 1180 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:45,504 One time. 1181 00:57:47,590 --> 00:57:49,592 Sawyer: How often did you see Governor Spitzer? 1182 00:57:49,758 --> 00:57:54,054 Legally, I am... I'm not able to answer that question. 1183 00:57:54,221 --> 00:57:58,601 Sawyer: Court documents say they may have had previous encounters. 1184 00:58:00,436 --> 00:58:02,813 Narrator: The court documents didn't say that. 1185 00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:08,736 Ashley Dupré let the world believe that she was the "Luv Gov's" girl. 1186 00:58:08,903 --> 00:58:10,946 But she was only a one-night stand, 1187 00:58:11,113 --> 00:58:13,407 caught on a wiretap at the Mayflower Hotel 1188 00:58:13,574 --> 00:58:15,618 in Washington, DC. 1189 00:58:15,784 --> 00:58:19,455 That begged the question: who else was there? 1190 00:58:20,873 --> 00:58:23,167 There was someone who he enjoyed seeing most. 1191 00:58:23,334 --> 00:58:26,212 And she was very pretty and a very intelligent girl, 1192 00:58:26,378 --> 00:58:28,339 and not a... not a fashion model. 1193 00:58:28,506 --> 00:58:31,550 She had her own career. 1194 00:58:31,717 --> 00:58:33,636 And he liked to meet with her frequently. 1195 00:58:33,802 --> 00:58:37,598 And she was actually the first person who said, "Oh, this is Eliot Spitzer." 1196 00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:42,102 Narrator: The escort chose the name "Angelina." 1197 00:58:42,269 --> 00:58:45,189 I discovered who she was and she agreed to speak to me 1198 00:58:45,356 --> 00:58:47,691 so long as I did not disclose her real name, 1199 00:58:47,858 --> 00:58:50,194 her face or reveal her voice. 1200 00:58:50,361 --> 00:58:53,113 So I transcribed her interview and hired this actress 1201 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,324 to perform her words. 1202 00:59:04,124 --> 00:59:06,460 "Angelina": He used the name George Fox 1203 00:59:06,627 --> 00:59:11,131 and he booked an hour at a New York hotel, Upper East Side. 1204 00:59:11,298 --> 00:59:14,093 Um... 1205 00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:18,514 that first time it was very businesslike. 1206 00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:21,368 Interviewer: You said he wasn't that interested in the companionship. 1207 00:59:21,392 --> 00:59:24,311 ( laughing ) 1208 00:59:24,478 --> 00:59:26,480 Right. 1209 00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:32,027 - You're laughing. - It's funny. 1210 00:59:32,194 --> 00:59:34,530 'Cause he wasn't at all interested in the companionship? 1211 00:59:34,697 --> 00:59:36,740 I'm not... from what I... From what I heard. 1212 00:59:36,907 --> 00:59:39,493 I remember thinking he was like... 1213 00:59:41,996 --> 00:59:45,124 I hate to put this crudely, um... 1214 00:59:45,291 --> 00:59:48,419 A trying-to-get-his- money's-worth type client. 1215 00:59:48,586 --> 00:59:50,671 I said to the agency, you know, I don't... 1216 00:59:50,838 --> 00:59:53,299 I don't want to see that person again. 1217 00:59:53,465 --> 00:59:57,636 Interviewer: In what seems to be a kind of epidemic 1218 00:59:57,803 --> 01:00:01,181 of, you know, political figures and sex scandals, 1219 01:00:01,348 --> 01:00:05,019 one question is, why... 1220 01:00:05,185 --> 01:00:07,146 you know, why hookers? 1221 01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:10,733 I mean, why, particularly when that's, you know, illegal? 1222 01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:16,947 Again, I don't want to delve into... 1223 01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:19,158 Certainly don't want to speak for others, 1224 01:00:19,325 --> 01:00:21,368 and even in my own case, 1225 01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:24,288 don't really want to speak to that issue, 1226 01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:26,498 except to say that you cave to temptations 1227 01:00:26,665 --> 01:00:29,376 in a way that perhaps seems easier 1228 01:00:29,543 --> 01:00:33,589 and... and perhaps is, 1229 01:00:33,756 --> 01:00:37,676 in some very twisted way, less damaging. 1230 01:00:37,843 --> 01:00:39,678 Interviewer: Less damaging how? 1231 01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:42,222 Than having affairs or relationships 1232 01:00:42,389 --> 01:00:44,350 that take on a different tenor. 1233 01:00:44,516 --> 01:00:46,185 That have... I'm sorry, that have what? 1234 01:00:46,352 --> 01:00:48,312 Relationships that take on a different tenor. 1235 01:00:48,479 --> 01:00:50,040 You mean that have some sort of emotional... 1236 01:00:50,064 --> 01:00:51,940 Perhaps, yeah. 1237 01:00:52,107 --> 01:00:55,152 Narrator: Eliot Spitzer had taken the first step 1238 01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:57,363 into his double life. 1239 01:00:57,529 --> 01:00:59,573 He had just entered a world which formerly 1240 01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:02,868 he had seen only from the outside, as a prosecutor. 1241 01:01:03,035 --> 01:01:05,746 In April 2004, after wiretapping 1242 01:01:05,913 --> 01:01:07,956 a social club in Staten Island, 1243 01:01:08,123 --> 01:01:11,418 Spitzer helped the FBI and NYPD bring down 1244 01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:13,962 a sophisticated prostitution ring. 1245 01:01:14,129 --> 01:01:16,298 He knew how it was done. 1246 01:01:16,465 --> 01:01:18,592 He also knew his life was about to become 1247 01:01:18,759 --> 01:01:20,928 more public than it had ever been. 1248 01:01:22,596 --> 01:01:25,265 Announcer: If we're ever going to reform Albany, 1249 01:01:25,432 --> 01:01:28,268 it's gonna start on November 7th, 1250 01:01:28,435 --> 01:01:30,396 Election Day. 1251 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:34,983 Because if one man can stand up to the powerful, so can you. 1252 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:38,028 He'll ask and you'll answer. 1253 01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:40,030 And with one collective roar, 1254 01:01:40,197 --> 01:01:43,117 we'll wake the state government right out of its long sleep. 1255 01:01:43,283 --> 01:01:45,661 And on that day, government will stop being 1256 01:01:45,828 --> 01:01:47,538 that thing we complain about 1257 01:01:47,705 --> 01:01:51,542 and start being that thing we can do something about. 1258 01:01:51,709 --> 01:01:54,211 Jimmy Siegel: When I started doing Eliot's campaign ads, 1259 01:01:54,378 --> 01:01:58,966 everyone was very enthusiastic because we all felt like 1260 01:01:59,133 --> 01:02:01,927 we were working for a candidate that comes along once every, 1261 01:02:02,094 --> 01:02:04,680 I don't know, 20 years, you know, 30 years. 1262 01:02:04,847 --> 01:02:07,141 I came in with a line which was 1263 01:02:07,307 --> 01:02:09,518 "Bring some passion back to Albany." 1264 01:02:09,685 --> 01:02:11,645 New Yorkers don't like anger, 1265 01:02:11,812 --> 01:02:13,731 but every New Yorker likes passion. 1266 01:02:15,691 --> 01:02:17,693 ( upbeat music playing ) 1267 01:02:21,864 --> 01:02:24,533 Narrator: Silda Wall Spitzer persuaded her husband 1268 01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,034 to hire Jimmy Siegel. 1269 01:02:26,201 --> 01:02:27,911 She sensed that Siegel had the ability 1270 01:02:28,078 --> 01:02:30,581 to frame Spitzer's severe combative style 1271 01:02:30,748 --> 01:02:34,001 in an emotional populist campaign. 1272 01:02:34,168 --> 01:02:36,712 Siegel: I don't think she signed up to be a political wife, 1273 01:02:36,879 --> 01:02:37,963 the wife of a politician. 1274 01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:41,884 But I think she ended up really enjoying the campaign. 1275 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:44,928 She was amazing to work with, 1276 01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:47,139 and one of the nicest people. 1277 01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:49,141 And she really cared. 1278 01:02:49,308 --> 01:02:52,478 She really believed in him and believed in this cause. 1279 01:02:52,644 --> 01:02:56,106 Pre-Barack Obama, you could make the case 1280 01:02:56,273 --> 01:02:58,984 that Eliot was the preeminent Democratic politician 1281 01:02:59,151 --> 01:03:00,778 in America at that point. 1282 01:03:00,944 --> 01:03:03,864 In the political world, it was kind of like working for a rock star. 1283 01:03:04,031 --> 01:03:06,658 ( crowd cheering ) 1284 01:03:08,869 --> 01:03:10,680 - ( fanfare ) - Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, 1285 01:03:10,704 --> 01:03:14,166 I present to you the Governor-Elect of the State of New York, 1286 01:03:14,333 --> 01:03:16,877 the Honorable Eliot Spitzer. 1287 01:03:17,044 --> 01:03:18,337 ( audience applauding ) 1288 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,549 Narrator: Taking a record 69% of the vote, 1289 01:03:22,716 --> 01:03:26,428 Eliot Spitzer had a popular mandate to make big changes. 1290 01:03:26,595 --> 01:03:30,599 Together let's build that one New York, 1291 01:03:30,766 --> 01:03:33,977 let's walk toward that better day. 1292 01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:38,273 Thank you, and God bless the great state of New York. 1293 01:03:40,943 --> 01:03:42,921 Constantine: Here he was, he's Governor of New York, 1294 01:03:42,945 --> 01:03:43,946 he's king of the world, 1295 01:03:44,112 --> 01:03:46,031 he's the future President of the United States. 1296 01:03:46,198 --> 01:03:48,450 Eliot Spitzer is going to fix up this state 1297 01:03:48,617 --> 01:03:51,453 and then he's going to go to Washington and do the same thing 1298 01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:54,790 that he just did for New York for the United States. 1299 01:03:54,957 --> 01:03:57,417 That was in everybody's mind. 1300 01:04:04,842 --> 01:04:06,593 Spitzer: People had said to me before I won, 1301 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,929 "Do to Albany what you did to Wall Street." 1302 01:04:09,096 --> 01:04:10,889 And we tried. We went at it 1303 01:04:11,056 --> 01:04:15,519 with a determination that was alien to the culture of Albany. 1304 01:04:20,607 --> 01:04:24,820 Narrator: The Capitol building in Albany was a monument to corruption. 1305 01:04:24,987 --> 01:04:27,197 America's most expensive government building 1306 01:04:27,364 --> 01:04:28,991 was like the legislature... 1307 01:04:29,157 --> 01:04:33,453 A bog of waste, double-dealing and graft. 1308 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:37,791 The gargoyles on the walls haunted the place. 1309 01:04:37,958 --> 01:04:41,628 The maze of grand stairways navigated by special interests 1310 01:04:41,795 --> 01:04:44,756 robbed lawmakers of any sense of perspective. 1311 01:04:49,177 --> 01:04:50,297 Spitzer: It's like an Escher. 1312 01:04:50,345 --> 01:04:52,931 You don't know if you're going up or down, left or right. 1313 01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:56,184 The mind gets turned upside down inside that building. 1314 01:04:58,729 --> 01:05:01,565 Fred Dicker: I think over the years that some people have appropriately 1315 01:05:01,732 --> 01:05:03,901 seen it as a metaphor for the labyrinthian nature 1316 01:05:04,067 --> 01:05:05,402 of New York politics. 1317 01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:09,072 Radio announcer: It's time for "Live from the State Capitol," 1318 01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:10,574 with Fred Dicker. 1319 01:05:10,741 --> 01:05:12,427 Narrator: Fred Dicker, of the "New York Post," 1320 01:05:12,451 --> 01:05:14,286 was a 25-year veteran in Albany. 1321 01:05:14,453 --> 01:05:16,472 Well, this is Fred Dicker live at the state capitol. 1322 01:05:16,496 --> 01:05:17,915 Welcome. What a beautiful day... 1323 01:05:18,081 --> 01:05:19,958 Narrator: Deeply conservative, Dicker was proud 1324 01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:22,836 of calling himself "an equal-opportunity prick," 1325 01:05:23,003 --> 01:05:25,672 attacking whomever came into office. 1326 01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:28,050 Dicker: Eliot Spitzer, who didn't suffer fools lightly, 1327 01:05:28,216 --> 01:05:30,344 was treating a separate branch of government, 1328 01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:33,013 the legislature that could block him at every turn, 1329 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,723 as if he could just push 'em around 1330 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:36,558 like they were Wall Street executives. 1331 01:05:36,725 --> 01:05:38,578 Well, they pushed back and they pushed back hard. 1332 01:05:38,602 --> 01:05:40,479 Narrator: The man who pushed back hardest 1333 01:05:40,646 --> 01:05:43,398 was Republican Senate Leader Joe Bruno. 1334 01:05:43,565 --> 01:05:45,525 A charming old-school dealmaker, 1335 01:05:45,692 --> 01:05:48,862 he wasn't much interested in Spitzer's reforms. 1336 01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:53,116 Bruno: He thought that he really was sort of the Second Coming 1337 01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:55,619 and that he was going to get everybody 1338 01:05:55,786 --> 01:05:57,704 to do what he wanted to do. 1339 01:05:57,871 --> 01:06:00,457 I think he started thinking dictatorially 1340 01:06:00,624 --> 01:06:02,793 almost, you know, in his own mind. 1341 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,294 It wasn't a cakewalk. 1342 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:07,714 It was not going to be as easy as building a legal case, 1343 01:06:07,881 --> 01:06:10,281 presenting it to a fact-finder and then you get a resolution. 1344 01:06:10,425 --> 01:06:13,971 This is a political process, which is much more complicated. 1345 01:06:14,137 --> 01:06:15,973 It's three-dimensional chess. 1346 01:06:16,139 --> 01:06:19,267 ( folk music playing ) 1347 01:06:19,434 --> 01:06:22,229 Narrator: Chess was not Joe Bruno's game. 1348 01:06:22,396 --> 01:06:24,481 A former boxing champ, 1349 01:06:24,648 --> 01:06:26,900 he knew when to duck, when to punch back, 1350 01:06:27,067 --> 01:06:29,861 and sometimes how to fix a fight. 1351 01:06:31,655 --> 01:06:33,156 Yeah. 1352 01:06:33,323 --> 01:06:35,117 Narrator: In the Senate, he had an annual 1353 01:06:35,283 --> 01:06:37,577 discretionary fund of $85 million 1354 01:06:37,744 --> 01:06:40,747 to spread around the state like political fertilizer. 1355 01:06:40,914 --> 01:06:42,082 Yeah. 1356 01:06:42,249 --> 01:06:44,084 Narrator: By 2007, the FBI 1357 01:06:44,251 --> 01:06:46,920 was investigating him for corruption. 1358 01:06:47,087 --> 01:06:50,590 Word was that Joe wanted a graceful way out. 1359 01:06:51,967 --> 01:06:54,428 Bruno: He told me, repeatedly: 1360 01:06:54,594 --> 01:06:57,055 "We're partners. We're gonna get things done." 1361 01:06:57,222 --> 01:06:59,224 But he didn't know how to negotiate, 1362 01:06:59,391 --> 01:07:00,934 he didn't know how to compromise. 1363 01:07:01,101 --> 01:07:03,937 Narrator: Spitzer attacked Albany head-on. 1364 01:07:04,104 --> 01:07:06,106 Early, he won some big victories, 1365 01:07:06,273 --> 01:07:08,358 but to get his first budget passed, 1366 01:07:08,525 --> 01:07:10,610 he had to play the game Joe Bruno's way... 1367 01:07:10,777 --> 01:07:14,114 Trading favors in backroom deals. 1368 01:07:14,281 --> 01:07:16,742 When we did the budget, when I sat with him... 1369 01:07:16,908 --> 01:07:20,328 This went off, this went off, this came on, this came on, 1370 01:07:20,495 --> 01:07:24,082 we shook hands, we come... It got done face to face. 1371 01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:26,501 Frankly, he got criticized 1372 01:07:26,668 --> 01:07:28,670 for caving in to some of our needs. 1373 01:07:28,837 --> 01:07:31,173 He got panned for that in the press. 1374 01:07:31,339 --> 01:07:33,800 Narrator: Spitzer responded by insisting on the very thing 1375 01:07:33,967 --> 01:07:35,761 that Albany pols despised... 1376 01:07:35,927 --> 01:07:38,221 Open, rational debates. 1377 01:07:38,388 --> 01:07:40,390 Thank you to everybody for being here, 1378 01:07:40,557 --> 01:07:42,893 in what is now, I think, our fifth 1379 01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:46,188 in what will be a continuing effort to meet 1380 01:07:46,354 --> 01:07:49,900 to forge consensus on issues, raise issues, frame an agenda... 1381 01:07:50,067 --> 01:07:53,070 Narrator: Spitzer wanted debates to be like his father's dinner table. 1382 01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:56,156 But Joe Bruno was the turd in Eliot's punch bowl. 1383 01:07:56,323 --> 01:07:58,909 But, Governor, I mean, again, 1384 01:07:59,076 --> 01:08:01,870 I say this very respectfully, 1385 01:08:02,037 --> 01:08:04,498 that is nuts! 1386 01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:06,833 ( audience laughing ) 1387 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,629 What he wanted was for you to just sit there 1388 01:08:10,796 --> 01:08:13,423 like pupils with a teacher, nod your head 1389 01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:16,593 as he was lecturing you and pontificating. 1390 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,887 Well, government doesn't work that way. 1391 01:08:19,054 --> 01:08:20,097 You responded... 1392 01:08:20,263 --> 01:08:22,557 Joe, I'm now gonna tell you something very simple... 1393 01:08:22,724 --> 01:08:25,477 This is my room; you're not gonna now derail us 1394 01:08:25,644 --> 01:08:28,004 from a conversation about energy, which we were just having. 1395 01:08:28,105 --> 01:08:29,999 - This has been a useful... - I thought you'd concluded. 1396 01:08:30,023 --> 01:08:32,275 And I called him several times. 1397 01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:34,611 I said, "What on earth is the matter with you?" 1398 01:08:34,778 --> 01:08:38,532 You understand that you have to have the cooperation 1399 01:08:38,698 --> 01:08:41,034 of the legislature, both houses. 1400 01:08:41,201 --> 01:08:44,788 He said, "Well, we're at war. This is a war." 1401 01:08:44,955 --> 01:08:46,915 And he said it like a big overgrown kid. 1402 01:08:47,082 --> 01:08:50,127 There'll be... there'll be a few tackled bodies on the field, so be it. 1403 01:08:50,293 --> 01:08:53,588 He was elected to get to Albany and turn around 1404 01:08:53,755 --> 01:08:55,590 the 30-year decline of the state, 1405 01:08:55,757 --> 01:08:57,551 to reform state government and do something 1406 01:08:57,717 --> 01:09:00,387 about the economy, which for decades has been like, 1407 01:09:00,554 --> 01:09:03,557 you know, on a slow downward spiral in New York state. 1408 01:09:03,723 --> 01:09:05,851 He had a temper. He had this passion. 1409 01:09:06,017 --> 01:09:11,189 It was, when focused and well-conceived in its execution, 1410 01:09:11,356 --> 01:09:14,568 it's what, you know, the people wanted to have happen. 1411 01:09:14,734 --> 01:09:17,237 ♪ Well, I'm a steamroller, babe ♪ 1412 01:09:18,697 --> 01:09:20,907 ♪ I'm bound to roll all over you... ♪ 1413 01:09:23,827 --> 01:09:25,495 Yeah, well, I was told 1414 01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:28,165 that Governor Spitzer had just gotten off the phone 1415 01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:30,625 with Jim Tedisco, the Assembly Minority Leader, 1416 01:09:30,792 --> 01:09:32,961 and had said to him, "You'd better toe the line 1417 01:09:33,128 --> 01:09:35,380 of what I'm trying to do here or be subjected 1418 01:09:35,547 --> 01:09:37,382 to the governor's wrath," 1419 01:09:37,549 --> 01:09:40,010 which he had described as being a "fucking steamroller." 1420 01:09:40,177 --> 01:09:43,346 So James Taylor was on my mind and he has a famous song. 1421 01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:46,016 It was a throwaway line honestly meant in good humor 1422 01:09:46,183 --> 01:09:47,184 with Jim Tedisco. 1423 01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:48,661 And frankly, I said, "You know what? 1424 01:09:48,685 --> 01:09:51,080 We're not trying to be the steamroller." It was in that context. 1425 01:09:51,104 --> 01:09:53,356 When he said, "I'm an effing steamroller," 1426 01:09:53,523 --> 01:09:55,650 I mean he meant it! 1427 01:09:55,817 --> 01:09:58,528 Narrator: He took on his own party when he bitterly opposed 1428 01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:00,488 their choice for state controller. 1429 01:10:00,655 --> 01:10:02,616 So he had both houses of the legislature, 1430 01:10:02,782 --> 01:10:05,118 one from his party, one from the other party 1431 01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:07,245 who are now sitting up and taking notice 1432 01:10:07,412 --> 01:10:09,915 that whoa, this guy... This is not a guy 1433 01:10:10,081 --> 01:10:11,583 who plays well with others. 1434 01:10:15,295 --> 01:10:17,130 Democrats would come into this room and say 1435 01:10:17,297 --> 01:10:18,924 they couldn't stand the governor. 1436 01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:20,926 Democrats were saying they loved Joe Bruno, 1437 01:10:21,092 --> 01:10:23,212 the Republican, because he was taking on the governor. 1438 01:10:23,303 --> 01:10:25,805 A steamroller is no match for that baby. 1439 01:10:25,972 --> 01:10:27,682 I can tell you that right now. 1440 01:10:29,184 --> 01:10:30,810 ( engine revving ) 1441 01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:33,688 ♪ Now I'm a napalm bomb, baby ♪ 1442 01:10:35,190 --> 01:10:38,485 ♪ Just guaranteed to blow your mind... ♪ 1443 01:10:40,862 --> 01:10:42,697 Dopp: Some of those old-time pols, you know, 1444 01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:45,158 really understood human nature. 1445 01:10:45,325 --> 01:10:47,577 And I think Eliot's view of it was 1446 01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:49,579 we would force them to do the right thing, 1447 01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:52,457 but it's not the way the system is set up. 1448 01:10:52,624 --> 01:10:55,502 Again, I don't want to just say you're wrong, but you are. 1449 01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:57,212 We... 1450 01:10:57,379 --> 01:11:00,006 Dopp: I'd say to him, "Boss, this system is set up 1451 01:11:00,173 --> 01:11:02,550 so that only incremental change is possible." 1452 01:11:02,717 --> 01:11:04,477 And he'd be like, "God damn it, no it's not." 1453 01:11:04,636 --> 01:11:07,973 And the result that it produced is he began to go around 1454 01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:11,017 Mr. Bruno to specific members of the State Senate. 1455 01:11:11,184 --> 01:11:14,980 Mr. Bruno took that to be an act of, you know, a hostile act. 1456 01:11:16,690 --> 01:11:19,484 He quickly announced publicly 1457 01:11:19,651 --> 01:11:21,111 he's going to take me out as leader. 1458 01:11:21,278 --> 01:11:22,946 I'm history 1459 01:11:23,113 --> 01:11:26,241 and the Republican majority was going to cease to exist. 1460 01:11:26,408 --> 01:11:27,909 He was going to take us out. 1461 01:11:30,036 --> 01:11:31,913 I said something like, "You know, 1462 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,708 I've been threatened by hoods and thugs my whole life. 1463 01:11:34,874 --> 01:11:36,126 You're just an amateur. 1464 01:11:36,293 --> 01:11:39,546 If you think you're gonna bother me, you just don't." 1465 01:11:46,344 --> 01:11:48,805 Dopp: We knew that folks would come down hard on us 1466 01:11:48,972 --> 01:11:51,391 if we ever stumbled. 1467 01:11:51,558 --> 01:11:54,227 He said, "You're damn right. 1468 01:11:54,394 --> 01:11:56,604 If we ever fall, they'll kick us in the nuts." 1469 01:11:56,771 --> 01:12:00,608 Which is why the downfall was so shocking. 1470 01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:06,406 Interviewer: Did it begin to haunt you as something that you thought 1471 01:12:06,573 --> 01:12:08,333 was possible, that you were gonna get caught? 1472 01:12:08,366 --> 01:12:10,035 Or did you... that didn't even... 1473 01:12:10,201 --> 01:12:12,013 At a certain point, that didn't even occur to you? 1474 01:12:12,037 --> 01:12:14,164 No, of course it does. 1475 01:12:14,331 --> 01:12:16,916 Of course it does. 1476 01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:19,336 And you just deal with it. 1477 01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:22,422 How did you deal with it? 1478 01:12:22,589 --> 01:12:24,424 That's the one... 1479 01:12:24,591 --> 01:12:26,843 Those are the mysteries of the human mind, I suppose. 1480 01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:29,179 I... I don't think I can answer that question, 1481 01:12:29,346 --> 01:12:31,931 because I don't think I know. 1482 01:12:47,739 --> 01:12:49,949 "Angelina": I got a call months later. 1483 01:12:50,116 --> 01:12:53,578 And this... this was kind of a last-minute thing. 1484 01:12:53,745 --> 01:12:56,831 This was at the Waldorf Hotel. 1485 01:12:58,792 --> 01:13:01,920 He showed up with this baseball cap on, 1486 01:13:02,087 --> 01:13:04,923 like, clearly trying not to be recognized. 1487 01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:09,052 And I'm like, you know, "Don't tell me it's that guy again." 1488 01:13:13,348 --> 01:13:16,309 In that second meeting, you know, I was rather pushy with him. 1489 01:13:16,476 --> 01:13:20,355 I was like, "We're gonna sit and have a chit-chat 1490 01:13:20,522 --> 01:13:23,233 and have a nice little date here." 1491 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,029 And it ended up being a fun couple of hours. 1492 01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:30,115 I thought it was Eliot Spitzer, 1493 01:13:30,281 --> 01:13:33,201 you know, but I couldn't be absolutely sure. 1494 01:13:33,368 --> 01:13:36,037 So I made a point to look out for him in the papers. 1495 01:13:36,204 --> 01:13:39,833 And it was at that point that I said to the people who ran the agency, 1496 01:13:39,999 --> 01:13:42,836 "You know who this guy is, don't you?" 1497 01:13:43,002 --> 01:13:44,921 And they said no. 1498 01:13:45,088 --> 01:13:46,506 He was hiding. 1499 01:13:46,673 --> 01:13:48,550 He didn't want anyone to know who he was. 1500 01:13:48,716 --> 01:13:50,301 He was extremely paranoid. 1501 01:13:50,468 --> 01:13:54,347 He knew that his entire political career was on the line. 1502 01:13:54,514 --> 01:13:57,350 And ultimately vice just took over virtue. 1503 01:13:57,517 --> 01:13:59,060 He could not control himself. 1504 01:13:59,227 --> 01:14:01,062 I don't know, I just remember one time 1505 01:14:01,229 --> 01:14:03,273 he was trying to book an appointment. 1506 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,150 And I just remember thinking to myself, 1507 01:14:05,316 --> 01:14:07,569 I was like, "This man is so paranoid. 1508 01:14:07,735 --> 01:14:10,697 He's just going to attract a situation." 1509 01:14:10,864 --> 01:14:13,116 You know, because he was just asking for it. 1510 01:14:13,283 --> 01:14:15,368 It's like, "Listen, man, if you are so worried 1511 01:14:15,535 --> 01:14:17,370 about what you're doing, don't do it." 1512 01:14:17,537 --> 01:14:21,082 I mean, just getting a deposit from him was an issue. 1513 01:14:21,249 --> 01:14:23,084 In order to book an appointment out of town, 1514 01:14:23,251 --> 01:14:24,794 you had to pay upfront. 1515 01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:28,548 So he would have to go through sending these money orders in. 1516 01:14:28,715 --> 01:14:31,134 We're like, "Okay, why don't you just deposit 'X' amount 1517 01:14:31,301 --> 01:14:33,261 in the bank if you want to meet her by tomorrow 1518 01:14:33,428 --> 01:14:35,555 and we're not gonna receive payment by tomorrow." 1519 01:14:35,722 --> 01:14:37,282 And he's like, "I can't go to the bank." 1520 01:14:37,432 --> 01:14:40,226 I never acknowledged who he was, 1521 01:14:40,393 --> 01:14:43,104 but he... he knew that I knew. 1522 01:14:43,271 --> 01:14:45,231 He started to request me. 1523 01:14:45,398 --> 01:14:47,233 I saw him outside of New York, 1524 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,612 in Palm Beach, Puerto Rico, 1525 01:14:50,778 --> 01:14:53,907 Dallas, Washington. 1526 01:14:54,073 --> 01:14:56,910 He was always very guarded about what he would say. 1527 01:14:57,076 --> 01:14:59,245 And... I mean, I would insist 1528 01:14:59,412 --> 01:15:01,581 on having a conversation before we started. 1529 01:15:01,748 --> 01:15:04,459 I'm like... I'm totally taking advantage of this. 1530 01:15:04,626 --> 01:15:07,754 'Cause he's so smart and interesting. 1531 01:15:07,921 --> 01:15:09,839 I would, like, have my little rants 1532 01:15:10,006 --> 01:15:13,134 about what was wrong with New York City that needed to be fixed. 1533 01:15:13,301 --> 01:15:16,429 And he... he listened. 1534 01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:21,809 Bruno: When I saw him out with his wife, 1535 01:15:21,976 --> 01:15:23,937 with his children, he had it all together. 1536 01:15:24,103 --> 01:15:27,315 You know, what was strange with Eliot Spitzer 1537 01:15:27,482 --> 01:15:31,319 was he could be pleasant and charming and act very caring. 1538 01:15:31,486 --> 01:15:33,988 When my wife was reported as being seriously ill, 1539 01:15:34,155 --> 01:15:35,949 he called me several times. 1540 01:15:36,115 --> 01:15:39,869 And this is right in the height of some of our worst exchanges... 1541 01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:42,247 Couldn't have been any more pleasant. 1542 01:15:42,413 --> 01:15:46,960 But when he came after me, in what was called Troopergate, 1543 01:15:47,126 --> 01:15:51,714 then it was apparent that this man really intended to destroy me. 1544 01:15:51,881 --> 01:15:53,925 Narrator: In the Spitzer-Bruno war, 1545 01:15:54,092 --> 01:15:56,094 the biggest battle was Troopergate, 1546 01:15:56,261 --> 01:15:58,263 so-called because of the way state troopers 1547 01:15:58,429 --> 01:16:01,558 may have been misused for political purposes. 1548 01:16:01,724 --> 01:16:05,186 It was an attack on Bruno that would boomerang on Spitzer. 1549 01:16:05,353 --> 01:16:07,981 It was a Sunday and I was reading the local newspaper, 1550 01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:09,232 the Albany "Times Union." 1551 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:11,025 And there was a story on the front page 1552 01:16:11,192 --> 01:16:14,195 and the suggestion was that Bruno had misused 1553 01:16:14,362 --> 01:16:16,739 state helicopters and other state travel 1554 01:16:16,906 --> 01:16:19,200 for personal and political purposes. 1555 01:16:19,367 --> 01:16:22,537 We released public documents on use of the aircraft. 1556 01:16:22,704 --> 01:16:25,415 It turned into a story, a one-day story. 1557 01:16:25,582 --> 01:16:28,418 But in a brilliant, I think, communications move 1558 01:16:28,585 --> 01:16:31,004 by Mr. Bruno's people, it was portrayed as, 1559 01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,590 "Oh, those are records that aren't normally released. 1560 01:16:33,756 --> 01:16:36,384 Oh, there's spying going on. There's dirty tricks going on." 1561 01:16:36,551 --> 01:16:39,679 The allegations are that the executive 1562 01:16:39,846 --> 01:16:44,350 conspired to use the state police, 1563 01:16:44,517 --> 01:16:48,229 state resources, to literally spy 1564 01:16:48,396 --> 01:16:51,232 on a colleague in government. 1565 01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:54,068 I was told, "No, don't comment. Don't... don't respond." 1566 01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,529 And I kept saying, "We've got to respond. 1567 01:16:56,696 --> 01:16:59,449 We're losing badly in the public-relations capacity 1568 01:16:59,616 --> 01:17:01,534 by not standing up and saying how ridiculous 1569 01:17:01,701 --> 01:17:03,161 these allegations are." 1570 01:17:03,328 --> 01:17:04,972 Why wouldn't he answer questions under oath? 1571 01:17:04,996 --> 01:17:05,997 Because of... 1572 01:17:06,164 --> 01:17:07,683 What's the explanation for that, Governor? 1573 01:17:07,707 --> 01:17:08,708 Fred, I... 1574 01:17:08,875 --> 01:17:10,644 And was it on the advice of counsel in your agency? 1575 01:17:10,668 --> 01:17:11,854 - Fred... - In the executive chamber? 1576 01:17:11,878 --> 01:17:13,004 Was he advised not to do it? 1577 01:17:13,171 --> 01:17:15,548 Fred... Fred, I'm... As I've said very clearly, 1578 01:17:15,715 --> 01:17:17,943 the investigation was one where they asked for information... 1579 01:17:17,967 --> 01:17:19,695 - You keep changing the subject. - I'm not changing... 1580 01:17:19,719 --> 01:17:20,720 The question is why... 1581 01:17:20,887 --> 01:17:22,740 Okay, Fred, I've answered the question. Yes, Josh. 1582 01:17:22,764 --> 01:17:24,564 Dicker: It was a very intense press conference 1583 01:17:24,641 --> 01:17:26,761 where Spitzer was trying to claim he had nothing to do 1584 01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,145 with Troopergate and he hardly knew anything about it. 1585 01:17:29,312 --> 01:17:31,397 Narrator: Spitzer insisted the leak had been 1586 01:17:31,564 --> 01:17:33,524 Darren Dopp's idea and suspended him. 1587 01:17:33,691 --> 01:17:36,027 But in fact, he had told Dopp to release the records 1588 01:17:36,194 --> 01:17:38,821 about Bruno and suggested how. 1589 01:17:38,988 --> 01:17:40,990 The famous quote that you're referring to is, 1590 01:17:41,157 --> 01:17:43,618 "Shove it up his ass with a red-hot poker." 1591 01:17:43,785 --> 01:17:46,329 Narrator: Investigations engulfed Spitzer's office 1592 01:17:46,496 --> 01:17:49,916 and created the public perception that he'd abused his power. 1593 01:17:50,083 --> 01:17:52,460 In reality, the controversy was a smokescreen 1594 01:17:52,627 --> 01:17:54,337 that hid Bruno's corruption. 1595 01:17:54,504 --> 01:17:57,507 The guy Bruno was going to basically fundraisers 1596 01:17:57,674 --> 01:17:59,967 and then, you know, making sure he made a two-second call 1597 01:18:00,134 --> 01:18:02,178 to, you know, some guy in the electricians' union 1598 01:18:02,345 --> 01:18:04,764 so he could say, "No, this was, you know, state business." 1599 01:18:04,931 --> 01:18:08,559 As far as I'm concerned, it's a complete fraud and a hoax, 1600 01:18:08,726 --> 01:18:13,272 you know, with one of the most corrupt state capitals. 1601 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,317 "We're investigating whether or not 1602 01:18:16,484 --> 01:18:19,404 there was a leak to a reporter. Oh my God! 1603 01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:21,948 A crime has been committed!" 1604 01:18:22,115 --> 01:18:24,617 You know, it's the most... The biggest joke. 1605 01:18:26,703 --> 01:18:29,288 Narrator: A careful examination of Bruno's travel logs 1606 01:18:29,455 --> 01:18:31,666 revealed that state troopers had ferried Bruno 1607 01:18:31,833 --> 01:18:34,961 on extended visits to see Spitzer's political enemies, 1608 01:18:35,128 --> 01:18:39,507 including a trip to CV Starr, the office of Hank Greenberg. 1609 01:18:41,718 --> 01:18:44,554 Interviewer: Do you recall Senator Joe Bruno coming to see you? 1610 01:18:44,721 --> 01:18:47,348 Yeah, Joe Bruno would come from time to time to see me. 1611 01:18:47,515 --> 01:18:49,267 They're always trying to raise money. 1612 01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,686 When he came, did you talk Spitzer? 1613 01:18:51,853 --> 01:18:53,312 I don't recall. 1614 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,940 I don't think that... If we did, it wasn't... 1615 01:18:56,107 --> 01:19:00,027 It wasn't a major topic of our conversation. 1616 01:19:01,487 --> 01:19:03,740 Narrator: Spitzer's enemies were beginning 1617 01:19:03,906 --> 01:19:05,366 to talk to each other. 1618 01:19:05,533 --> 01:19:07,702 To push the attack on Spitzer, 1619 01:19:07,869 --> 01:19:10,246 Joe Bruno hired a political operative 1620 01:19:10,413 --> 01:19:12,081 who reveled in his reputation 1621 01:19:12,248 --> 01:19:17,170 as the country's most notorious dirty trickster, Roger Stone. 1622 01:19:17,336 --> 01:19:20,173 Here you have Mr. Clean, the Sheriff of Wall Street, 1623 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,426 someone for whom ethics is his signature issue 1624 01:19:23,593 --> 01:19:28,139 charging that Bruno is... is dirty. 1625 01:19:28,306 --> 01:19:30,725 This is a tyrant, a megalomaniac, 1626 01:19:30,892 --> 01:19:33,227 a would-be dictator who really believes that you... 1627 01:19:33,394 --> 01:19:35,521 In government, you somehow either have the right, 1628 01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:37,940 by getting a lot of votes or being born to privilege, 1629 01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:41,694 to just issue orders and people do what you say. 1630 01:19:41,861 --> 01:19:44,530 Stone was this, like, legendary figure. 1631 01:19:44,697 --> 01:19:47,909 He had his hair dyed. 1632 01:19:48,075 --> 01:19:50,495 He was a "swinger," in literal terms. 1633 01:19:50,661 --> 01:19:52,747 And the reporters, they were like... 1634 01:19:52,914 --> 01:19:54,791 They thought of him as like a piece of work. 1635 01:19:54,957 --> 01:19:57,502 But they had, like, affection for him, 1636 01:19:57,668 --> 01:19:59,670 because he didn't make any bones about the fact 1637 01:19:59,837 --> 01:20:02,465 that he was such a flawed character. 1638 01:20:02,632 --> 01:20:04,717 Even in his own Republican ranks, 1639 01:20:04,884 --> 01:20:07,720 he was like, regarded as, like, a maverick, 1640 01:20:07,887 --> 01:20:10,640 if not gadfly, if not lunatic. 1641 01:20:10,807 --> 01:20:14,268 But crazy-like-a-fox kind of a guy, I guess. 1642 01:20:14,435 --> 01:20:16,646 Sure, I believe in a gonzo brand of politics, 1643 01:20:16,813 --> 01:20:19,607 because you have to get... You've gotta get people's attention. 1644 01:20:19,774 --> 01:20:21,818 In a world where there's so much competition 1645 01:20:21,984 --> 01:20:23,653 for their attention politically, 1646 01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:25,613 and then there's the rest of life: 1647 01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:28,282 sports, food, entertainment, whatever it is. 1648 01:20:28,449 --> 01:20:30,868 You're competing for all of that, because politics, 1649 01:20:31,035 --> 01:20:33,579 like all those other things, is entertainment. 1650 01:20:33,746 --> 01:20:36,415 Narrator: In 1996, Stone was fired 1651 01:20:36,582 --> 01:20:38,292 from the Dole presidential campaign 1652 01:20:38,459 --> 01:20:40,294 when it was revealed that he and his wife 1653 01:20:40,461 --> 01:20:42,713 had marketed themselves as swingers. 1654 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,633 "We are seeking similar couples," said the ad, 1655 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,970 "or exceptional muscular, well-hung single men." 1656 01:20:49,136 --> 01:20:52,223 But that didn't stop Roger. 1657 01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:54,976 An elegant dresser with a taste for martinis, 1658 01:20:55,142 --> 01:20:57,895 he reinvented himself as a charming secret agent 1659 01:20:58,062 --> 01:21:00,356 with a license to kill. 1660 01:21:00,523 --> 01:21:03,693 He reveled in the body politic and his own bodybuilding. 1661 01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:05,444 Just below his neckline, 1662 01:21:05,611 --> 01:21:09,115 he bore a tattoo of his hero Richard Nixon. 1663 01:21:09,282 --> 01:21:11,242 Just a few weeks after Bruno hired Stone... 1664 01:21:11,409 --> 01:21:12,410 ( phone ringing ) 1665 01:21:12,577 --> 01:21:14,745 ...a mysterious voice message was left on the phone 1666 01:21:14,912 --> 01:21:17,164 of Spitzer's 80-year-old father. 1667 01:21:17,331 --> 01:21:18,332 ( beeps ) 1668 01:21:18,499 --> 01:21:20,376 Man: This is a message for Bernard Spitzer. 1669 01:21:20,543 --> 01:21:23,754 You will be subpoenaed to testify 1670 01:21:23,921 --> 01:21:26,257 before the Senate Committee on Investigations 1671 01:21:26,424 --> 01:21:28,467 on your shady campaign loans. 1672 01:21:28,634 --> 01:21:30,428 If you resist the subpoena, 1673 01:21:30,595 --> 01:21:32,805 you will be arrested and brought to Albany. 1674 01:21:32,972 --> 01:21:35,391 And there's not a goddamned thing your phony, 1675 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:38,060 psycho, piece-of-shit son 1676 01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:39,896 can do about it. 1677 01:21:40,062 --> 01:21:43,149 Bernie, your phony loans are about to catch up with you. 1678 01:21:43,316 --> 01:21:45,568 You will be forced to tell the truth, 1679 01:21:45,735 --> 01:21:48,529 and the fact that your son's a pathological liar 1680 01:21:48,696 --> 01:21:51,574 - will be known to all. - ( clicks, beeps ) 1681 01:21:51,741 --> 01:21:54,827 We spent some time and effort to see where it came from, 1682 01:21:54,994 --> 01:21:57,121 and it came from an apartment that had been rented 1683 01:21:57,288 --> 01:21:59,916 by either him or a company that he owned. 1684 01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:03,127 And the voice, we were able to compare from the voice... 1685 01:22:03,294 --> 01:22:05,838 The message he'd left on the voicemail... 1686 01:22:06,005 --> 01:22:08,215 To appearances he had made on TV, 1687 01:22:08,382 --> 01:22:10,444 and we got a voice analyst to say, "Yeah, it's the same voice." 1688 01:22:10,468 --> 01:22:12,905 And people who knew him said, "Yeah, that's Roger Stone's voice." 1689 01:22:12,929 --> 01:22:15,014 The tape did sound eerily like me. 1690 01:22:15,181 --> 01:22:18,976 Ultimately, private investigators that I retained 1691 01:22:19,143 --> 01:22:21,479 determined that there had been a tap on my phone 1692 01:22:21,646 --> 01:22:23,105 at 40 Central Park South. 1693 01:22:23,272 --> 01:22:26,025 I now believe that a rogue unit of the New York State Police, 1694 01:22:26,192 --> 01:22:28,694 under the direction of Eliot Spitzer, 1695 01:22:28,861 --> 01:22:31,864 who understood that we had jujitsu-ed him on Troopergate, 1696 01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:34,075 was monitoring my calls. In other words, 1697 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,535 I think the tape that was released was... 1698 01:22:36,702 --> 01:22:39,372 Was pasted together. It was a... it was a... 1699 01:22:39,538 --> 01:22:41,582 It was a put-up job. 1700 01:22:41,749 --> 01:22:45,836 The FBI called my dad's office 1701 01:22:46,003 --> 01:22:47,964 and asked to come by. 1702 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,051 Narrator: On September 6th, 2007, 1703 01:22:52,218 --> 01:22:54,053 Agent Katzman from the FBI 1704 01:22:54,220 --> 01:22:57,390 visited Bernard Spitzer at his Manhattan offices. 1705 01:22:57,556 --> 01:23:00,977 The questions didn't focus much 1706 01:23:01,143 --> 01:23:04,814 on what Roger Stone had done or allegedly done 1707 01:23:04,981 --> 01:23:07,900 or the issues relating to the phone call. 1708 01:23:08,067 --> 01:23:09,777 It was more about me. 1709 01:23:09,944 --> 01:23:12,488 Did you think anything about that in retrospect? 1710 01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:14,949 Well, in retrospect, I... it has crossed my mind. 1711 01:23:15,116 --> 01:23:17,827 And it crossed your mind in what way, since then? 1712 01:23:17,994 --> 01:23:20,162 Well, wondering whether 1713 01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:23,374 this was part of the investigation that led to my downfall. 1714 01:23:29,505 --> 01:23:33,467 The FBI showed up at my apartment. 1715 01:23:33,634 --> 01:23:36,012 They just showed up at 8:00 a.m. 1716 01:23:36,178 --> 01:23:38,305 And they said, "We want to talk to you. 1717 01:23:38,472 --> 01:23:40,725 We think you know what this is about." 1718 01:23:40,891 --> 01:23:45,062 Agent... Agent Katzman was the guy's name. 1719 01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:47,940 He... he wasn't very nice. 1720 01:23:48,107 --> 01:23:51,277 Narrator: Stone said that the FBI also contacted him 1721 01:23:51,444 --> 01:23:53,362 and wanted to talk. 1722 01:23:53,529 --> 01:23:55,573 Stone: We could never actually get a confirmation 1723 01:23:55,740 --> 01:23:57,658 about what they wanted to talk about. 1724 01:23:57,825 --> 01:24:01,162 And I declined to have that interview on the advice of my attorney. 1725 01:24:01,328 --> 01:24:05,166 Narrator: Bruno fired Stone because of the phone call. 1726 01:24:05,332 --> 01:24:07,668 But Stone confirms that he was then hired 1727 01:24:07,835 --> 01:24:09,879 by wealthy, motivated Republicans 1728 01:24:10,046 --> 01:24:12,798 to stay on the Spitzer detail. 1729 01:24:12,965 --> 01:24:16,302 A few months later Rich Baum, secretary to the governor, 1730 01:24:16,469 --> 01:24:19,138 received an email from Stone's consulting company. 1731 01:24:22,516 --> 01:24:23,934 The question is 1732 01:24:24,101 --> 01:24:26,604 how did the investigation of Spitzer begin? 1733 01:24:26,771 --> 01:24:28,981 The government claims it spotted 1734 01:24:29,148 --> 01:24:32,485 a suspicious wire transfer of several thousand dollars. 1735 01:24:32,651 --> 01:24:35,738 What was interesting to me is that the whole thing 1736 01:24:35,905 --> 01:24:37,948 comes from a single money transfer 1737 01:24:38,115 --> 01:24:40,743 that sort of sent up a red flag, 1738 01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:43,162 a suspicious activity report. 1739 01:24:43,329 --> 01:24:46,665 Every day there are thousands of these suckers filed. 1740 01:24:46,832 --> 01:24:50,461 Narrator: The Federal Clearinghouse receives 3400 1741 01:24:50,628 --> 01:24:54,381 suspicious activity reports, or SARS, every day. 1742 01:24:54,548 --> 01:24:57,343 Someone had to have taken 1743 01:24:57,510 --> 01:25:01,305 a very personal interest in this particular transaction 1744 01:25:01,472 --> 01:25:04,141 and kind of shepherded it through the process 1745 01:25:04,308 --> 01:25:06,685 in order for it to be the subject of a lot of attention 1746 01:25:06,852 --> 01:25:09,897 and ultimately be the basis for a case. 1747 01:25:10,064 --> 01:25:12,691 Narrator: The SAR was filed by North Fork Bank 1748 01:25:12,858 --> 01:25:15,486 after Spitzer asked the bank to keep his name off 1749 01:25:15,653 --> 01:25:20,366 a $5,000 wire to something called QAT Consulting. 1750 01:25:20,533 --> 01:25:22,576 Barrett: My understanding is that 1751 01:25:22,743 --> 01:25:25,538 they didn't even know what QAT Consulting was 1752 01:25:25,704 --> 01:25:27,790 and that they called Morgenthau's office. 1753 01:25:27,957 --> 01:25:30,751 Narrator: Robert Morgenthau, the Manhattan District Attorney, 1754 01:25:30,918 --> 01:25:32,878 was surprised when the federal government 1755 01:25:33,045 --> 01:25:36,006 came looking for help on how to prosecute escort services. 1756 01:25:36,173 --> 01:25:39,135 The feds just didn't do prostitution cases. 1757 01:25:39,301 --> 01:25:40,803 They also naively asked 1758 01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:43,389 if it was common to prosecute customers. 1759 01:25:43,556 --> 01:25:46,475 The answer from Morgenthau's office was no. 1760 01:25:46,642 --> 01:25:49,728 Barrett: Once they figured out it was a prostitution ring, 1761 01:25:49,895 --> 01:25:52,940 then it seems to me you're at a juncture in the road here. 1762 01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:54,567 Once you realize 1763 01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:58,279 that it's just a governor with a hard-on, 1764 01:25:58,445 --> 01:26:00,322 the most you're gonna get out of this 1765 01:26:00,489 --> 01:26:02,408 is a news story and a resignation. 1766 01:26:02,575 --> 01:26:04,743 I think the government has better things to do. 1767 01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:07,913 Narrator: The US Attorney for the Southern District of New York 1768 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,624 was Michael Garcia, the man who had tangled with Spitzer 1769 01:26:10,791 --> 01:26:13,294 over the investigation of Hank Greenberg. 1770 01:26:13,460 --> 01:26:16,964 Normally focused on terrorists, mobsters and Wall Street, 1771 01:26:17,131 --> 01:26:20,342 Garcia's office was suddenly spending enormous resources 1772 01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:22,928 to go after a small escort service. 1773 01:26:23,095 --> 01:26:25,055 Garcia was a Republican. 1774 01:26:25,222 --> 01:26:27,141 Was this a political hit? 1775 01:26:27,308 --> 01:26:29,727 The Spitzer investigation began at the very moment 1776 01:26:29,894 --> 01:26:31,413 when the Justice Department was involved 1777 01:26:31,437 --> 01:26:32,771 in a huge scandal of its own. 1778 01:26:32,938 --> 01:26:35,274 And the issue was whether the Justice Department 1779 01:26:35,441 --> 01:26:38,611 was hiring and firing US Attorneys based on politics, 1780 01:26:38,777 --> 01:26:41,113 and whether it was going after powerful Democrats 1781 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,698 in order to get rid of them. 1782 01:26:42,865 --> 01:26:45,576 The only banking activity that seemed to interest them 1783 01:26:45,743 --> 01:26:47,995 was Eliot Spitzer's banking activity, you know, 1784 01:26:48,162 --> 01:26:51,665 as we sunk deeper and deeper 1785 01:26:51,832 --> 01:26:54,501 into this horrendous banking scandal 1786 01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:56,795 that's convulsing the country. 1787 01:26:56,962 --> 01:26:59,715 Suspicious banking activity by Eliot Spitzer 1788 01:26:59,882 --> 01:27:03,344 and the United States government was on the trail. 1789 01:27:05,012 --> 01:27:07,556 Narrator: After notifying superiors in Washington, 1790 01:27:07,723 --> 01:27:10,059 the US Attorney's office obtained permission 1791 01:27:10,226 --> 01:27:13,270 to wiretap the phones and emails of The Emperors Club. 1792 01:27:21,904 --> 01:27:24,156 The night before, it's like 8:00 p.m. 1793 01:27:24,323 --> 01:27:26,116 We're both sitting at our computers. 1794 01:27:26,283 --> 01:27:28,827 And all of this information, like our client information, 1795 01:27:28,994 --> 01:27:30,955 is being sucked out of the computers. 1796 01:27:31,121 --> 01:27:33,249 And we're like, "Oh my goodness, we have hackers." 1797 01:27:33,415 --> 01:27:37,419 We download some kinda, like, encryption software, 1798 01:27:37,586 --> 01:27:40,589 and try to, like, save our information, whatever is left. 1799 01:27:40,756 --> 01:27:43,092 And then we go to bed as usual. 1800 01:27:43,259 --> 01:27:46,178 And 6:30 a.m... Bang bang bang. 1801 01:27:46,345 --> 01:27:48,514 It's the FBI. 1802 01:27:48,681 --> 01:27:50,766 Okay, shock. 1803 01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:52,309 ( knock on door ) 1804 01:27:54,853 --> 01:27:56,689 Suwal: I was certainly unprepared 1805 01:27:56,855 --> 01:27:59,400 to just be woken up out of my sleep 1806 01:27:59,566 --> 01:28:02,945 at 6:30 a.m. and, you know, have the FBI come 1807 01:28:03,112 --> 01:28:05,072 in their bulletproof vests 1808 01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:07,616 asking me if there are firearms in the house. 1809 01:28:07,783 --> 01:28:09,623 You know, I mean, just... And all I'm thinking, 1810 01:28:09,702 --> 01:28:13,122 I'm like, "That cash is gonna get us in trouble." 1811 01:28:13,289 --> 01:28:17,251 Narrator: Cece and Mark Brener had nearly a million dollars 1812 01:28:17,418 --> 01:28:21,130 in cash in a safe in their closet. 1813 01:28:22,172 --> 01:28:24,049 The guy came in, one of the FBI men. 1814 01:28:24,216 --> 01:28:26,051 He came in and he was like, 1815 01:28:26,218 --> 01:28:28,762 "We are closing Emperors Club VIP." 1816 01:28:28,929 --> 01:28:31,932 And I was like, "Oh oh! 1817 01:28:32,099 --> 01:28:35,853 My God, my stomach, my everything, my baby." 1818 01:28:36,020 --> 01:28:38,314 It was just surreal. 1819 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:41,900 I mean, that was like my child. 1820 01:28:42,067 --> 01:28:45,404 The essence of what went on here was, 1821 01:28:45,571 --> 01:28:49,283 in federal-law terms, a violation of the Mann Act. 1822 01:28:50,576 --> 01:28:52,911 Narrator: Known as the "white slave act," 1823 01:28:53,078 --> 01:28:55,289 the Mann Act made it a crime to transport women 1824 01:28:55,456 --> 01:28:57,583 across state lines for immoral purposes. 1825 01:28:57,750 --> 01:29:01,503 That is why federal prosecutors were particularly interested 1826 01:29:01,670 --> 01:29:05,299 in out-of-town dates with "Angelina" and Ashley. 1827 01:29:05,466 --> 01:29:08,927 In recent years, it's used to go after child-prostitution rings. 1828 01:29:09,094 --> 01:29:12,848 It is never used to prosecute johns or customers. 1829 01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:15,184 Scott Horton: We have to look at these statutes 1830 01:29:15,351 --> 01:29:17,561 in terms of standards of enforcement. 1831 01:29:17,728 --> 01:29:20,898 Is this statute in fact being enforced that way 1832 01:29:21,065 --> 01:29:22,858 uniformly across the country? 1833 01:29:23,025 --> 01:29:24,818 And the answer is it is not! 1834 01:29:24,985 --> 01:29:28,655 Narrator: Why then did the Department of Justice want the case? 1835 01:29:28,822 --> 01:29:31,158 After months of investigating Spitzer, 1836 01:29:31,325 --> 01:29:33,786 Michael Garcia's deputies suddenly sent emails 1837 01:29:33,952 --> 01:29:36,997 to Washington seeking support for using the Mann Act. 1838 01:29:37,164 --> 01:29:39,291 Wiretaps revealed many customers 1839 01:29:39,458 --> 01:29:41,710 who paid for escorts all over the world. 1840 01:29:41,877 --> 01:29:44,463 But Garcia's office was only interested 1841 01:29:44,630 --> 01:29:47,216 in prosecuting one of the customers. 1842 01:29:47,383 --> 01:29:50,386 They pressured me... Like they do on TV. 1843 01:29:50,552 --> 01:29:53,472 And they said, "We know you worked for this agency 1844 01:29:53,639 --> 01:29:55,766 and we want you to look at some pictures 1845 01:29:55,933 --> 01:29:58,310 and tell us if you recognize anyone." 1846 01:29:58,477 --> 01:30:00,187 And I did that 1847 01:30:00,354 --> 01:30:02,189 and Eliot Spitzer was in there. 1848 01:30:02,356 --> 01:30:06,735 And I said yes, I recognized him and yes, I had seen him. 1849 01:30:06,902 --> 01:30:10,531 And I said, "Should I maybe have a lawyer?" 1850 01:30:10,697 --> 01:30:13,534 And they said, "Well, we want to keep this confidential." 1851 01:30:13,700 --> 01:30:16,829 The main thing about that meeting 1852 01:30:16,995 --> 01:30:19,164 was that they were very insistent 1853 01:30:19,331 --> 01:30:22,042 and pressuring me in an uncomfortable way, 1854 01:30:22,209 --> 01:30:26,839 you know, for me to admit that I had sex with Eliot Spitzer. 1855 01:30:28,006 --> 01:30:30,759 You know, why him and why not anyone else? 1856 01:30:30,926 --> 01:30:33,679 All you have to do is lay this case side by side 1857 01:30:33,846 --> 01:30:36,348 with the DC Madam case and look at the way 1858 01:30:36,515 --> 01:30:38,183 the prosecutors behaved in Washington 1859 01:30:38,350 --> 01:30:40,310 and the way they behaved in New York. 1860 01:30:40,477 --> 01:30:42,729 And it's like night and day. 1861 01:30:42,896 --> 01:30:44,690 They're constantly making clear that, 1862 01:30:44,857 --> 01:30:49,111 "No, we're just after the madam and we're after the business. 1863 01:30:49,278 --> 01:30:53,198 We are not interested in the customers." 1864 01:30:53,365 --> 01:30:56,535 Narrator: In the DC Madam case, two high-profile Republicans 1865 01:30:56,702 --> 01:30:59,997 were discovered using an escort service in Washington DC. 1866 01:31:00,164 --> 01:31:03,000 Senator David Vitter had actually ordered prostitutes 1867 01:31:03,167 --> 01:31:05,669 during roll-call votes when he was a congressman. 1868 01:31:05,836 --> 01:31:09,006 He apologized, but he did not resign. 1869 01:31:09,173 --> 01:31:11,967 Horton: David Vitter is still sitting in the Senate. He never left. 1870 01:31:12,134 --> 01:31:14,386 Nor was there ever any pressure brought 1871 01:31:14,553 --> 01:31:16,680 by the federal government for him to leave. 1872 01:31:16,847 --> 01:31:18,932 And what's the difference between these cases? 1873 01:31:19,099 --> 01:31:21,268 One case involves two prominent Republicans 1874 01:31:21,435 --> 01:31:23,020 and the other involves a Democrat. 1875 01:31:23,187 --> 01:31:24,980 That's the only difference, frankly. 1876 01:31:26,815 --> 01:31:29,902 Narrator: The question remained: how did the U.S. government 1877 01:31:30,068 --> 01:31:31,945 first find out about Spitzer? 1878 01:31:32,112 --> 01:31:35,240 Was the FBI tipped off by one of Spitzer's enemies? 1879 01:31:38,243 --> 01:31:40,329 Stone: I was in a private club... 1880 01:31:40,496 --> 01:31:44,416 An adult-themed club in Miami called Miami Velvet. 1881 01:31:44,583 --> 01:31:46,502 There was a woman sitting at the bar. 1882 01:31:46,668 --> 01:31:47,669 I was sitting at the bar. 1883 01:31:47,836 --> 01:31:50,422 And we began a conversation and I asked her what she did. 1884 01:31:50,589 --> 01:31:53,091 And she said she was professionally a call girl, 1885 01:31:53,258 --> 01:31:55,177 but she wasn't working this particular night. 1886 01:31:55,344 --> 01:31:57,221 I said, "Well, you know, what, who are your... 1887 01:31:57,387 --> 01:31:58,847 What kind of clients do you have?" 1888 01:31:59,014 --> 01:32:02,392 You know, she had athletes. She had captains of industry. 1889 01:32:02,559 --> 01:32:04,561 She had prominent businessmen. 1890 01:32:04,728 --> 01:32:06,939 She had politicians and so on. 1891 01:32:07,105 --> 01:32:09,483 And I said, "Well, like who?" She said, you know, 1892 01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:12,319 "I recently... I was... I almost had a date 1893 01:32:12,486 --> 01:32:14,655 with the Governor of New Jersey." 1894 01:32:14,821 --> 01:32:18,784 I said, "Jon Corzi...? You had a date with Jon Corzine?" 1895 01:32:18,951 --> 01:32:21,537 She said, "Who's he? I had a date with Eliot Spitzer." 1896 01:32:21,703 --> 01:32:24,289 I said, "No, Eliot Spitzer is the Governor of New York, 1897 01:32:24,456 --> 01:32:25,457 not New Jersey." 1898 01:32:25,624 --> 01:32:27,352 She said, "Yeah well, I'm not into politics." 1899 01:32:27,376 --> 01:32:29,419 I said, "Was there anything else notable?" 1900 01:32:29,586 --> 01:32:31,463 And she said, "Well, he was kinda weird." 1901 01:32:31,630 --> 01:32:33,691 I said, "Well, what do you mean?" She said, "Well, he kept... 1902 01:32:33,715 --> 01:32:37,594 He had these black knee socks and he kept them on the whole time." 1903 01:32:37,761 --> 01:32:41,223 So I ask you: what kind of guy fucks with his socks on? 1904 01:32:41,390 --> 01:32:44,518 ( chuckles ) The black-socks thing isn't true. 1905 01:32:44,685 --> 01:32:46,478 He wore low-cut socks 1906 01:32:46,645 --> 01:32:49,106 and he took them off. 1907 01:32:50,232 --> 01:32:52,776 Stone: The next day I discussed it with my attorneys 1908 01:32:52,943 --> 01:32:54,736 and I asked them to contact the FBI 1909 01:32:54,903 --> 01:32:57,239 and tell them what we knew in a formal letter. 1910 01:32:57,406 --> 01:32:59,658 Now I don't claim 1911 01:32:59,825 --> 01:33:02,160 that this was a revelation to the federal investigators. 1912 01:33:02,327 --> 01:33:04,847 It may have been a piece of a puzzle that they were putting together. 1913 01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:07,916 I may have started an investigation in an area they weren't looking at. 1914 01:33:08,083 --> 01:33:11,169 I have no idea. And I haven't made any claim. 1915 01:33:11,336 --> 01:33:13,839 Narrator: The FBI insists that it never received 1916 01:33:14,006 --> 01:33:16,174 the letter from Stone's attorney. 1917 01:33:18,594 --> 01:33:21,054 ( horn honking ) 1918 01:33:23,515 --> 01:33:26,518 Spitzer: It wasn't an addiction. It was a desire, 1919 01:33:26,685 --> 01:33:30,564 the need to find an outlet that was not within 1920 01:33:30,731 --> 01:33:34,943 the very confined world that I had been living. 1921 01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:36,910 Interviewer: Had you found a way to completely 1922 01:33:36,987 --> 01:33:39,448 compartmentalize it so that it was this over here, and... 1923 01:33:39,615 --> 01:33:41,199 Yeah yeah. 1924 01:33:41,366 --> 01:33:43,869 And was that the... Was that the... 1925 01:33:44,036 --> 01:33:46,371 The beauty of it, in a way, as you saw it? 1926 01:33:46,538 --> 01:33:50,709 Look, I don't want to go there, but it... it did not affect governance. 1927 01:33:50,876 --> 01:33:54,880 And in fact, I can say with real certainty 1928 01:33:55,047 --> 01:33:58,133 in February, March of '08, 1929 01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:00,719 people were beginning to say, "Hey, wait a minute, 1930 01:34:00,886 --> 01:34:02,429 their strategy is working." 1931 01:34:02,596 --> 01:34:04,640 We were winning the political races, 1932 01:34:04,806 --> 01:34:07,309 getting the economic agenda in place. 1933 01:34:07,476 --> 01:34:10,228 People were beginning to see that the chess game was playing out. 1934 01:34:10,395 --> 01:34:14,107 - ( applause ) - Spitzer: Join me in good faith. 1935 01:34:14,274 --> 01:34:16,652 I will meet you with an open hand. 1936 01:34:16,818 --> 01:34:19,613 For we will realize this opportunity best 1937 01:34:19,780 --> 01:34:23,867 if we work together in a spirit of cooperation. 1938 01:34:24,034 --> 01:34:27,454 ( applause ) 1939 01:34:27,621 --> 01:34:29,748 Man: We'd been through so much. 1940 01:34:29,915 --> 01:34:32,959 And we had had a very successful State of the State address, 1941 01:34:33,126 --> 01:34:35,712 we had a great budget announcement 1942 01:34:35,879 --> 01:34:39,883 and we really thought we were turning the corner. 1943 01:34:40,050 --> 01:34:44,429 In fact, we were at a bar and one of the senior advisors 1944 01:34:44,596 --> 01:34:46,640 to the governor raised his glass, 1945 01:34:46,807 --> 01:34:49,101 in what I'm sure was the moment that jinxed us all, 1946 01:34:49,267 --> 01:34:51,812 and said, "To turning the corner!" 1947 01:34:51,978 --> 01:34:54,981 Well, we didn't turn the corner. 1948 01:34:55,148 --> 01:34:57,859 Man: This prostitution business, 1949 01:34:58,026 --> 01:35:00,737 referred to as The Emperors Club VIP, 1950 01:35:00,904 --> 01:35:02,864 was an international organization... 1951 01:35:03,031 --> 01:35:05,283 Narrator: On March 6th, the Department of Justice 1952 01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:08,578 brought charges against the four people who ran The Emperors Club. 1953 01:35:08,745 --> 01:35:10,723 Prosecutor: In addition with the prostitution offenses, 1954 01:35:10,747 --> 01:35:12,541 they are charged with money laundering... 1955 01:35:12,708 --> 01:35:14,918 Narrator: Two things caught the attention of reporters: 1956 01:35:15,085 --> 01:35:17,379 the high prices paid to the escorts 1957 01:35:17,546 --> 01:35:20,924 and the highly unusual appearance, in a prostitution case, 1958 01:35:21,091 --> 01:35:25,220 of members of the public-corruption unit of the Department of Justice. 1959 01:35:27,597 --> 01:35:29,975 Interviewer: When did you first have an inclination 1960 01:35:30,142 --> 01:35:33,353 that you were gonna have a serious political problem? 1961 01:35:36,314 --> 01:35:39,818 The Thursday 1962 01:35:39,985 --> 01:35:42,654 when it was announced 1963 01:35:42,821 --> 01:35:45,615 that a case had been made 1964 01:35:45,782 --> 01:35:47,534 against The Emperors Club. 1965 01:35:50,495 --> 01:35:54,666 Interviewer: And when that came out, what did you think? 1966 01:35:54,833 --> 01:35:57,753 I said this is an issue. 1967 01:36:01,339 --> 01:36:04,009 Narrator: The FBI wiretaps of The Emperors Club 1968 01:36:04,176 --> 01:36:07,053 intercepted more than 5,000 phone calls and text messages 1969 01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:09,639 and more than 6,000 emails. 1970 01:36:11,099 --> 01:36:14,269 They knew where I had been. They had dates and times. 1971 01:36:14,436 --> 01:36:18,648 On one trip, the Booker and I were texting back and forth. 1972 01:36:18,815 --> 01:36:20,192 You know, like she would say, 1973 01:36:20,358 --> 01:36:22,235 "He's there now and he's ready to see you." 1974 01:36:22,402 --> 01:36:25,197 And I would say, "Okay, I'm heading over there." 1975 01:36:25,363 --> 01:36:29,284 They said, "Look, we already know all about you. 1976 01:36:29,451 --> 01:36:31,661 We know that you were at this hotel at this time 1977 01:36:31,828 --> 01:36:33,538 and 10 minutes later you were here. 1978 01:36:33,705 --> 01:36:36,041 We know this." 1979 01:36:36,208 --> 01:36:39,544 Narrator: The list of charges against The Emperors Club, 1980 01:36:39,711 --> 01:36:42,631 the affidavit, was surprisingly detailed. 1981 01:36:42,798 --> 01:36:47,552 As a piece of writing, it was crafted like a mystery story, 1982 01:36:47,719 --> 01:36:49,721 full of clues. 1983 01:36:49,888 --> 01:36:52,307 It teased the reader with a few sentences each 1984 01:36:52,474 --> 01:36:54,226 on Clients One to Eight; 1985 01:36:54,392 --> 01:36:57,979 and then five riveting pages on Client Number Nine 1986 01:36:58,146 --> 01:37:00,816 and his one date with "Kristen," 1987 01:37:00,982 --> 01:37:03,360 otherwise known as Ashley Dupré, 1988 01:37:03,527 --> 01:37:06,571 at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, DC. 1989 01:37:06,738 --> 01:37:09,991 The affidavit was filled with all sorts of crucial details 1990 01:37:10,158 --> 01:37:12,410 that allowed reporters to go off 1991 01:37:12,577 --> 01:37:14,996 and find out who Client Nine was. 1992 01:37:16,248 --> 01:37:18,583 Barrett: "The Times" won a Pulitzer 1993 01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:20,669 because they went down and, you know, 1994 01:37:20,836 --> 01:37:23,088 they did things like they went to every major hotel 1995 01:37:23,255 --> 01:37:26,216 in Washington and figured out who was in that suite, 1996 01:37:26,383 --> 01:37:28,823 in which hotel, 'cause they didn't know which hotel he was in. 1997 01:37:31,263 --> 01:37:34,391 Narrator: The affidavit was full of steamy sexual banter 1998 01:37:34,558 --> 01:37:37,561 and concerns about whether the client was difficult 1999 01:37:37,727 --> 01:37:39,980 or even safe. 2000 01:37:40,146 --> 01:37:42,607 Was the writing meant to convict the accused 2001 01:37:42,774 --> 01:37:45,944 or embarrass the client? 2002 01:37:46,111 --> 01:37:50,365 An FBI guy with sandy-colored hair and a mustache 2003 01:37:50,532 --> 01:37:52,826 brought up something from the wiretap. 2004 01:37:52,993 --> 01:37:56,621 He said, "We heard that sometimes you were asked to bring sex toys." 2005 01:37:56,788 --> 01:37:59,958 And the guy kept pressing me. 2006 01:38:00,125 --> 01:38:02,669 It was like he wanted to get some kind of information 2007 01:38:02,836 --> 01:38:06,089 about some kinky sex stuff or something juicy that happened. 2008 01:38:06,256 --> 01:38:08,508 You know, like the governor's into whatever. 2009 01:38:08,675 --> 01:38:11,678 And I flat out said, "I don't see how any of that 2010 01:38:11,845 --> 01:38:14,681 is relevant to your investigation to prosecute 2011 01:38:14,848 --> 01:38:16,808 what you're trying to prosecute." 2012 01:38:16,975 --> 01:38:18,310 There was nothing. 2013 01:38:18,476 --> 01:38:20,770 Maybe some sexy lingerie or something, 2014 01:38:20,937 --> 01:38:22,981 but that was all I ever took. 2015 01:38:23,148 --> 01:38:25,317 There were a number of leaks in this case, 2016 01:38:25,483 --> 01:38:27,193 most obviously to "The New York Times." 2017 01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,280 But a couple of New York TV stations also were on to the story. 2018 01:38:30,447 --> 01:38:32,991 And the Albany "Times Union" got sent 2019 01:38:33,158 --> 01:38:35,327 the criminal affidavit in The Emperors Club case. 2020 01:38:35,493 --> 01:38:37,203 And its reporter was told specifically 2021 01:38:37,370 --> 01:38:40,332 to look at Client Nine and told that 2022 01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:43,251 he was a wealthy New York public official. 2023 01:38:43,418 --> 01:38:46,671 Narrator: Eliot Spitzer was never charged with any crime. 2024 01:38:46,838 --> 01:38:49,591 So you really have to wonder whether or not 2025 01:38:49,758 --> 01:38:54,512 the purpose of the investigation at some point became the leak. 2026 01:38:54,679 --> 01:38:56,514 Some breaking news this afternoon. 2027 01:38:56,681 --> 01:38:58,391 "The New York Times" is reporting 2028 01:38:58,558 --> 01:39:00,393 that Governor Eliot Spitzer of New York 2029 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,188 has informed some of his senior administration officials 2030 01:39:03,355 --> 01:39:06,358 that he had been involved in a prostitution ring. 2031 01:39:06,524 --> 01:39:08,151 I recessed the conference. 2032 01:39:08,318 --> 01:39:11,696 We went into my office, the whole conference and had the TV on. 2033 01:39:11,863 --> 01:39:14,407 Reporter: Cheers erupted on trading floors around the city 2034 01:39:14,574 --> 01:39:17,577 as word spread of Governor Spitzer's stunning downfall. 2035 01:39:17,744 --> 01:39:19,537 Some traders reportedly broke out 2036 01:39:19,704 --> 01:39:21,790 bottles of champagne to celebrate. 2037 01:39:21,957 --> 01:39:24,209 Narrator: They weren't the only ones. 2038 01:39:24,376 --> 01:39:26,294 Four diners at the 21 Club 2039 01:39:26,461 --> 01:39:28,213 claimed that they spotted Dick Grasso, 2040 01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:30,590 Hank Greenberg and Ken Langone 2041 01:39:30,757 --> 01:39:34,219 celebrating Spitzer's fall with a magnum of champagne. 2042 01:39:35,887 --> 01:39:37,949 Woman: Would you say that you were surprised by this news? 2043 01:39:37,973 --> 01:39:39,891 Not at all. I had no doubt 2044 01:39:40,058 --> 01:39:42,102 about his lack of character and integrity. 2045 01:39:42,268 --> 01:39:43,895 It would only be a matter of time. 2046 01:39:44,062 --> 01:39:46,773 I didn't think he'd do it this soon. Or the way he did it. 2047 01:39:46,940 --> 01:39:48,942 Barrett: We do know that Ken Langone, 2048 01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:51,236 you know, told CNBC shortly 2049 01:39:51,403 --> 01:39:54,239 after all of this broke 2050 01:39:54,406 --> 01:39:56,908 that he had a friend who was in the post office. 2051 01:39:57,075 --> 01:40:00,912 I know for sure he went himself to a post office 2052 01:40:01,079 --> 01:40:05,667 and bought $2800 worth of mail orders to send to the hooker. 2053 01:40:05,834 --> 01:40:08,545 - How do you know that? - I know it. 2054 01:40:08,712 --> 01:40:11,423 Barrett: Why is CNBC sticking a mike underneath his mouth? 2055 01:40:11,589 --> 01:40:14,217 Because he was 2056 01:40:14,384 --> 01:40:16,594 enemy number one. 2057 01:40:16,761 --> 01:40:18,430 Spitzer's now... it's his turn. 2058 01:40:18,596 --> 01:40:21,141 And the guy is in back of him, you know, when you wait in line. 2059 01:40:21,307 --> 01:40:23,427 The guy's in back of him waiting to buy a money order, 2060 01:40:23,518 --> 01:40:26,646 and Spitzer goes up and buys $1800 worth of money orders. 2061 01:40:26,813 --> 01:40:29,065 Okay, so you're saying that he said he had a friend 2062 01:40:29,232 --> 01:40:31,609 who stood behind Eliot Spitzer in the post-office line, 2063 01:40:31,776 --> 01:40:34,195 overheard him sending a money order for a prostitute. 2064 01:40:34,362 --> 01:40:35,947 I mean, this is too amazing to be true. 2065 01:40:36,114 --> 01:40:39,075 It was totally coincidental that somebody tells me this 2066 01:40:39,242 --> 01:40:41,953 an hour before that. 2067 01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:43,788 That's God at work, I'm telling you. 2068 01:40:43,955 --> 01:40:46,958 Here's God saying here's a little bit more for you. 2069 01:40:47,125 --> 01:40:49,419 Barrett: Unless you think Ken Langone has friends 2070 01:40:49,586 --> 01:40:52,297 who call him from post offices, my hunch would be 2071 01:40:52,464 --> 01:40:55,383 that it was someone closer to him than a friend. 2072 01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:57,052 Interviewer: What do you mean 2073 01:40:57,218 --> 01:40:59,137 "someone closer to him than a friend"? 2074 01:40:59,304 --> 01:41:02,307 An employee, a consultant, a... 2075 01:41:02,474 --> 01:41:05,101 You know, somebody that he hired to be there. 2076 01:41:05,268 --> 01:41:06,644 That would be my hunch. 2077 01:41:06,811 --> 01:41:08,480 But it's, you know, do I know that? 2078 01:41:08,646 --> 01:41:10,732 Is he gonna tell us that? He said it was a friend. 2079 01:41:10,899 --> 01:41:13,151 Why he volunteered this information... 2080 01:41:13,318 --> 01:41:15,195 He just couldn't stop himself from crowing. 2081 01:41:15,361 --> 01:41:17,655 I didn't have any private eyes on him. 2082 01:41:17,822 --> 01:41:21,993 I didn't have any dirty-tricks guys on him; none of that. 2083 01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,412 "I knew before the rest of you guys." 2084 01:41:24,579 --> 01:41:26,164 Well, how did he know? 2085 01:41:26,331 --> 01:41:30,043 I don't know, but I did discuss it with the governor 2086 01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:33,129 and the governor felt like he was under surveillance. 2087 01:41:33,296 --> 01:41:35,340 He thought he was under surveillance. 2088 01:41:36,674 --> 01:41:39,094 ( siren wailing ) 2089 01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,021 The day I gave my proffer, 2090 01:41:50,188 --> 01:41:52,524 I walked out of the courthouse 2091 01:41:52,690 --> 01:41:56,486 and there were journalists suddenly everywhere. 2092 01:41:56,653 --> 01:41:59,948 I went straight to the bar. I had a couple of drinks. 2093 01:42:00,115 --> 01:42:02,534 And I was sitting in the bar and a news reporter 2094 01:42:02,700 --> 01:42:04,577 sat down next to me and said, you know, 2095 01:42:04,744 --> 01:42:06,514 "What do you think of the Eliot Spitzer news?" 2096 01:42:06,538 --> 01:42:09,374 And I was like, "Oh my God, they've got me already!" 2097 01:42:09,541 --> 01:42:11,876 I was, like, freaking out. 2098 01:42:12,043 --> 01:42:14,379 Narrator: The very day the news broke, 2099 01:42:14,546 --> 01:42:16,756 there were messages on "Angelina's" phone 2100 01:42:16,923 --> 01:42:19,384 from reporters who wanted to talk. 2101 01:42:19,551 --> 01:42:22,762 Mysteriously, they knew her real name and her phone number, 2102 01:42:22,929 --> 01:42:26,641 information only available to the government investigation. 2103 01:42:29,686 --> 01:42:32,814 "Angelina" left town and never returned the calls. 2104 01:42:32,981 --> 01:42:36,985 ( techno music playing ) ? How long, how long? 2105 01:42:37,152 --> 01:42:39,737 ♪ How long, how long... ♪ 2106 01:42:39,904 --> 01:42:42,824 I do not believe that politics, in the long run, 2107 01:42:42,991 --> 01:42:44,576 is about individuals. 2108 01:42:44,742 --> 01:42:47,287 It is about ideas, the public good 2109 01:42:47,453 --> 01:42:50,582 and doing what is best for the state of New York. 2110 01:42:50,748 --> 01:42:53,126 But I have disappointed and failed to live up 2111 01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:56,087 to the standard I expected of myself. 2112 01:42:56,254 --> 01:42:58,006 I must now dedicate some time 2113 01:42:58,173 --> 01:43:00,592 to regain the trust of my family. 2114 01:43:00,758 --> 01:43:03,303 I will not be taking questions. Thank you very much. 2115 01:43:03,469 --> 01:43:05,346 I will report back to you in short order. 2116 01:43:05,513 --> 01:43:08,099 - Thank you very much. - ? How long, how long? 2117 01:43:09,601 --> 01:43:11,436 ♪ How long, how long. ♪ 2118 01:43:18,026 --> 01:43:19,736 Stiles: Everybody was just in shock. 2119 01:43:19,903 --> 01:43:22,113 I was angry and that was the last thing 2120 01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,991 I ever would have expected of him to have done. 2121 01:43:25,158 --> 01:43:27,952 My heart broke for... for Silda. 2122 01:43:28,119 --> 01:43:31,414 I knew Silda very well and his family. 2123 01:43:31,581 --> 01:43:33,791 And they'd always seemed to have such a strong 2124 01:43:33,958 --> 01:43:36,461 relationship and a bond. 2125 01:43:36,628 --> 01:43:39,797 Dopp: He was like, you know, so straitlaced as to be, 2126 01:43:39,964 --> 01:43:42,342 like, laughably straitlaced. 2127 01:43:42,508 --> 01:43:45,678 At some social event, Eliot said that he had met Penelope Cruz. 2128 01:43:45,845 --> 01:43:48,765 And at the time she was the hottest star out there. 2129 01:43:48,932 --> 01:43:51,517 And I said, "Wow, that girl is amazing, isn't she? 2130 01:43:51,684 --> 01:43:54,187 She's dynamite, no?" And his response to me is, 2131 01:43:54,354 --> 01:43:56,981 "I could see how some people might think she's alluring." 2132 01:43:57,148 --> 01:43:59,067 And I just said to him, 2133 01:43:59,234 --> 01:44:01,402 I said, well, "Wow, what are you talking about?" 2134 01:44:01,569 --> 01:44:04,364 But yeah, that was Eliot. That's why this notion that, 2135 01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:07,075 you know, there would be someone other than Silda 2136 01:44:07,242 --> 01:44:09,619 was such a shock. 2137 01:44:12,038 --> 01:44:14,499 Interviewer: Did you learn something about your wife 2138 01:44:14,666 --> 01:44:16,084 that you didn't expect in this... 2139 01:44:16,251 --> 01:44:18,419 As a result of this experience? 2140 01:44:21,172 --> 01:44:24,217 I wish I hadn't needed to learn it, 2141 01:44:24,384 --> 01:44:26,594 but I learned that the depths of her forgiveness 2142 01:44:26,761 --> 01:44:29,764 are deeper than are... 2143 01:44:29,931 --> 01:44:33,643 ever to be called for. 2144 01:44:36,271 --> 01:44:37,871 Narrator: After the initial announcement, 2145 01:44:37,981 --> 01:44:40,024 Spitzer considered his options. 2146 01:44:40,191 --> 01:44:42,318 Despite her pain, his wife encouraged him 2147 01:44:42,485 --> 01:44:43,611 to stay on as governor. 2148 01:44:43,778 --> 01:44:46,739 Calls went out to the leaders of the State House and Senate. 2149 01:44:46,906 --> 01:44:49,659 No one would support him. 2150 01:44:49,826 --> 01:44:52,870 The reservoir of goodwill was empty. 2151 01:44:53,037 --> 01:44:55,039 The combative style 2152 01:44:55,206 --> 01:44:57,875 left him without friends and defenders in the end. 2153 01:44:58,042 --> 01:45:00,545 Spitzer: The only relevant question really was 2154 01:45:00,712 --> 01:45:02,547 what can I do to minimize 2155 01:45:02,714 --> 01:45:04,799 the continued pain to my family? 2156 01:45:04,966 --> 01:45:07,552 And it seemed to me that 2157 01:45:07,719 --> 01:45:10,930 to fight to retain the office at that point 2158 01:45:11,097 --> 01:45:14,142 would make it even longer, uglier, more painful 2159 01:45:14,309 --> 01:45:17,395 than to take the alternate path. 2160 01:45:17,562 --> 01:45:19,731 So I resigned. 2161 01:45:19,897 --> 01:45:24,527 From those to whom much is given, much is expected. 2162 01:45:24,694 --> 01:45:27,655 I have been given much: the love of my family, 2163 01:45:27,822 --> 01:45:30,908 the faith and trust of the people of New York 2164 01:45:31,075 --> 01:45:33,244 and the chance to lead the state. 2165 01:45:33,411 --> 01:45:35,288 I think I was in shock first 2166 01:45:35,455 --> 01:45:38,499 because I saw Silda standing there. 2167 01:45:38,666 --> 01:45:41,252 We've seen so many women standing there, 2168 01:45:41,419 --> 01:45:42,795 behind their man. 2169 01:45:42,962 --> 01:45:45,006 And many women just felt, you know, this is enough. 2170 01:45:45,173 --> 01:45:47,800 Narrator: Intrigued by the cultural issues of the scandal, 2171 01:45:47,967 --> 01:45:50,803 performance artist Karen Finley wrote a one-woman play 2172 01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:53,598 about the intersection between sex and state. 2173 01:45:53,765 --> 01:45:56,684 The public performance of this private moment 2174 01:45:56,851 --> 01:45:59,437 was... was just so voyeuristic. 2175 01:45:59,604 --> 01:46:03,483 The painting in our mind of what we weren't seeing... 2176 01:46:06,027 --> 01:46:09,655 this very personal, sexual, private act. 2177 01:46:09,822 --> 01:46:13,117 ♪ You never know how much I love you ♪ 2178 01:46:13,284 --> 01:46:16,829 ♪ Never know how much I care... ♪ 2179 01:46:16,996 --> 01:46:19,248 I'm not the most politically-correct person in the world, 2180 01:46:19,415 --> 01:46:22,543 and I saw Eliot later after this whole thing 2181 01:46:22,710 --> 01:46:23,711 and I said, you know, 2182 01:46:23,878 --> 01:46:26,047 "You could have run in France on this and won," so... 2183 01:46:26,214 --> 01:46:27,965 ♪ When you kiss me ♪ 2184 01:46:28,132 --> 01:46:31,844 ♪ Fever when you hold me tight ♪ 2185 01:46:32,011 --> 01:46:35,139 ♪ Fever in the morning... ♪ 2186 01:46:35,306 --> 01:46:38,476 Barrett: Eliot Spitzer is a joke, a national joke. 2187 01:46:38,643 --> 01:46:40,853 He is like the poster boy 2188 01:46:41,020 --> 01:46:43,147 of a man out of control. 2189 01:46:43,314 --> 01:46:45,316 But these other guys aren't; 2190 01:46:45,483 --> 01:46:47,944 these other politicians aren't. 2191 01:46:48,111 --> 01:46:49,987 I mean, Bill Clinton is one of the most popular 2192 01:46:50,154 --> 01:46:52,031 figures in American politics 2193 01:46:52,198 --> 01:46:54,075 and he got a blowjob in the Oval Office. 2194 01:46:54,242 --> 01:46:56,994 ♪ Do you remember ♪ 2195 01:46:57,161 --> 01:47:00,039 ♪ When we met ♪ 2196 01:47:00,206 --> 01:47:03,251 ♪ That's the day ♪ 2197 01:47:03,418 --> 01:47:06,254 ♪ I knew you were my pet ♪ 2198 01:47:06,421 --> 01:47:09,340 ♪ I want to tell you ♪ 2199 01:47:11,843 --> 01:47:15,680 ♪ How much ♪ 2200 01:47:16,889 --> 01:47:21,436 ♪ I love you. ♪ 2201 01:47:23,729 --> 01:47:26,399 ( vocalizing ) 2202 01:47:29,735 --> 01:47:32,655 He had sex. Oh my God! 2203 01:47:32,822 --> 01:47:33,990 Kill him. 2204 01:47:34,157 --> 01:47:35,825 Burn him at the stake. You know? 2205 01:47:35,992 --> 01:47:38,411 I hope when history looks back at that 2206 01:47:38,578 --> 01:47:41,914 they say, "Gee, changed the way Wall Street operates; 2207 01:47:42,081 --> 01:47:45,042 went after, you know, environmental abuses; 2208 01:47:45,209 --> 01:47:47,879 you know, went after the insurance-company fraud; 2209 01:47:48,045 --> 01:47:50,006 went after this." And then on this side, 2210 01:47:50,173 --> 01:47:52,467 "Had sex in a Washington hotel room." 2211 01:48:03,561 --> 01:48:06,397 Matt Lauer: He resigned 13 months ago and has remained 2212 01:48:06,564 --> 01:48:08,441 largely silent until now. 2213 01:48:08,608 --> 01:48:10,985 With the US economy in turmoil, the man once known 2214 01:48:11,152 --> 01:48:13,070 as the Sheriff of Wall Street is back. 2215 01:48:13,237 --> 01:48:14,381 Governor Spitzer, good morning. 2216 01:48:14,405 --> 01:48:15,799 - It's good to see you. - Good morning, Matt. 2217 01:48:15,823 --> 01:48:17,533 I've heard rumors that he's trying 2218 01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:19,744 to figure a way out to get back into public life. 2219 01:48:19,911 --> 01:48:22,413 I mean, the guy's got skin like that, okay? 2220 01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:24,123 I mean, that... that thick. 2221 01:48:24,290 --> 01:48:26,792 Narrator: After his resignation, Spitzer watched 2222 01:48:26,959 --> 01:48:29,712 as his Wall Street reforms were attacked and rolled back 2223 01:48:29,879 --> 01:48:32,840 by investment banks and the federal government. 2224 01:48:33,007 --> 01:48:35,593 He had been on to the very issues that almost did us in 2225 01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,470 and collapsed the financial system. 2226 01:48:37,637 --> 01:48:40,598 These are the guys that got us to the brink of disaster. 2227 01:48:40,765 --> 01:48:43,851 And Eliot Spitzer was after them years before the collapse occurred. 2228 01:48:44,018 --> 01:48:45,895 Goldman Sachs will have a profit 2229 01:48:46,062 --> 01:48:48,689 that we estimate of about $12 billion last year. 2230 01:48:48,856 --> 01:48:52,360 That is precisely what taxpayers gave them 2231 01:48:52,527 --> 01:48:55,112 to help them get bailed out from their AIG exposure. 2232 01:48:55,279 --> 01:48:57,114 Banks should be lending to people who have 2233 01:48:57,281 --> 01:48:59,325 a repayment schedule, who produce something. 2234 01:48:59,492 --> 01:49:01,369 It should be an old-fashioned, boring business. 2235 01:49:01,536 --> 01:49:02,696 And then you grow an economy. 2236 01:49:02,828 --> 01:49:05,122 The outrage is because it is our money 2237 01:49:05,289 --> 01:49:07,041 that is subsidizing these crazy bonuses. 2238 01:49:07,208 --> 01:49:09,293 Narrator: As Spitzer began reappearing in public, 2239 01:49:09,460 --> 01:49:11,629 so did Ashley Dupré. 2240 01:49:11,796 --> 01:49:14,423 With uncanny timing, it seemed that Ashley appeared 2241 01:49:14,590 --> 01:49:17,301 on Fox TV or the cover of the conservative 2242 01:49:17,468 --> 01:49:21,055 "New York Post" whenever Spitzer made public appearances. 2243 01:49:21,222 --> 01:49:23,015 Hi, I'm Ashley Dupré. 2244 01:49:23,182 --> 01:49:25,434 I used to be on the front page of the "New York Post." 2245 01:49:25,601 --> 01:49:27,895 Now I'm writing for it. That's right. 2246 01:49:28,062 --> 01:49:30,147 I'm the "New York Post" 's new advice columnist. 2247 01:49:30,314 --> 01:49:33,568 Ask me anything about love, sex, and relationships. 2248 01:49:36,696 --> 01:49:39,991 A lot of people around the country are discussing Eliot Spitzer's efforts, 2249 01:49:40,157 --> 01:49:42,535 and that's what it clearly is, to rehabilitate himself. 2250 01:49:42,702 --> 01:49:45,580 Senator Joe Bruno, of the great capital district. 2251 01:49:45,746 --> 01:49:47,516 Good morning, Senator. Thank you for being with us. 2252 01:49:47,540 --> 01:49:50,001 - I think he needs therapy. - I agree. 2253 01:49:50,167 --> 01:49:52,420 They oughta help him to get himself rehabbed. 2254 01:49:52,587 --> 01:49:53,588 Assuming he can. 2255 01:49:53,754 --> 01:49:55,357 Because people like this are very dangerous. 2256 01:49:55,381 --> 01:49:58,634 Roger Stone, let me ask you about what's going on now with Eliot Spitzer. 2257 01:49:58,801 --> 01:50:00,845 Well, Senator Bruno is essentially correct; 2258 01:50:01,012 --> 01:50:02,763 the man is a psycho. 2259 01:50:02,930 --> 01:50:05,725 Don't bust people who are running call-girl rings 2260 01:50:05,891 --> 01:50:08,352 if you yourself are gonna patronize one. 2261 01:50:08,519 --> 01:50:11,105 I mean, the man's entire life is a lie 2262 01:50:11,272 --> 01:50:14,025 and I therefore thought this fight needed to be finished. 2263 01:50:14,191 --> 01:50:16,861 Narrator: Roger Stone's campaign against Spitzer 2264 01:50:17,028 --> 01:50:19,530 continued with his promotion of Kristin Davis, 2265 01:50:19,697 --> 01:50:21,365 a convicted madam who claimed to have 2266 01:50:21,532 --> 01:50:23,576 supplied escorts to Eliot Spitzer. 2267 01:50:23,743 --> 01:50:25,786 New York law enforcement says 2268 01:50:25,953 --> 01:50:28,122 there's no evidence of any link. 2269 01:50:28,289 --> 01:50:31,208 But newspapers continue to print her claims anyway. 2270 01:50:31,375 --> 01:50:33,419 In March 2010, 2271 01:50:33,586 --> 01:50:35,463 Stone backed her as a candidate for governor. 2272 01:50:35,630 --> 01:50:37,465 I am running for Governor of New York. 2273 01:50:37,632 --> 01:50:41,052 Interviewer: What do you think about an Eliot Spitzer comeback? 2274 01:50:41,218 --> 01:50:44,138 Look, I can't forecast it. I hope not. 2275 01:50:44,305 --> 01:50:47,266 - I hope what he did... - Interviewer: You think it was... 2276 01:50:47,433 --> 01:50:49,518 Yeah, he thought he was above the law. 2277 01:50:49,685 --> 01:50:51,395 The law didn't apply to him. 2278 01:50:54,732 --> 01:50:57,735 Woman: What do you think is next for Governor Spitzer? 2279 01:50:59,445 --> 01:51:01,864 You know, we all have our own private hells. 2280 01:51:02,031 --> 01:51:05,743 I hope his private hell is hotter than anybody else's. 2281 01:51:07,411 --> 01:51:08,496 Interviewer: Ken Langone 2282 01:51:08,663 --> 01:51:10,915 and Hank Greenberg are powerful enemies. 2283 01:51:11,082 --> 01:51:13,334 Did it ever concern you 2284 01:51:13,501 --> 01:51:16,587 that they might have played a role in your downfall? 2285 01:51:18,547 --> 01:51:21,258 I guess it didn't concern me enough. 2286 01:51:21,425 --> 01:51:24,261 You know, look, not to... 2287 01:51:26,263 --> 01:51:28,182 sort of mince words, 2288 01:51:28,349 --> 01:51:31,602 there are all sorts of rumors about 2289 01:51:31,769 --> 01:51:35,439 their helping or taking credit occasionally 2290 01:51:35,606 --> 01:51:37,817 for bringing me down. 2291 01:51:39,193 --> 01:51:41,737 My view is I brought myself down, 2292 01:51:41,904 --> 01:51:45,700 and I will not try to blame others 2293 01:51:45,866 --> 01:51:48,285 or excuse my behavior. 2294 01:51:48,452 --> 01:51:51,664 I did what I did and... And shame on me. 2295 01:51:51,831 --> 01:51:54,959 If they were involved in unearthing it, 2296 01:51:55,126 --> 01:51:56,627 okay, so be it. 2297 01:51:56,794 --> 01:51:59,797 That isn't my concern right now. 2298 01:52:00,798 --> 01:52:03,342 What I did in our investigations 2299 01:52:03,509 --> 01:52:07,596 of the companies obviously I believe it was right. 2300 01:52:07,763 --> 01:52:10,975 My personal behavior that led to where I am right now 2301 01:52:11,142 --> 01:52:13,102 was obviously wrong, 2302 01:52:13,269 --> 01:52:15,604 violative of everything I hope I believe in. 2303 01:52:15,771 --> 01:52:18,274 And I make no excuses. 2304 01:52:33,414 --> 01:52:37,334 Finley: We want our political people to be God. 2305 01:52:37,501 --> 01:52:39,712 And maybe that's the biggest problem for us... 2306 01:52:39,879 --> 01:52:43,424 Is that he's a human being and he's not God. 2307 01:52:44,884 --> 01:52:46,844 This isn't just a national narrative, 2308 01:52:47,011 --> 01:52:49,680 but it's an ancient narrative that happened, 2309 01:52:49,847 --> 01:52:52,266 that has to repeat itself 2310 01:52:52,433 --> 01:52:55,478 into our culture because it is unresolved. 2311 01:52:59,982 --> 01:53:02,193 Aside from your journalism career, 2312 01:53:02,359 --> 01:53:05,029 your column, you're also a lovely singer. 2313 01:53:05,196 --> 01:53:06,506 Before... and I want you to come back 2314 01:53:06,530 --> 01:53:08,282 and be a regular columnist for us as well. 2315 01:53:08,449 --> 01:53:09,909 I would love to, thank you. 2316 01:53:10,075 --> 01:53:12,745 But can you give us a little Christmas... Christmas cheer? 2317 01:53:12,912 --> 01:53:15,164 - Oh my God, on the spot. - Sing us something. 2318 01:53:15,331 --> 01:53:17,625 - Okay okay. - Uh, go ahead. 2319 01:53:17,792 --> 01:53:22,004 ♪ The weather outside is frightful ♪ 2320 01:53:22,171 --> 01:53:26,801 ♪ The fire is so delightful ♪ 2321 01:53:26,967 --> 01:53:30,554 ♪ But since you've no place to go ♪ 2322 01:53:30,721 --> 01:53:34,141 ♪ Let it snow, let it snow ♪ 2323 01:53:34,308 --> 01:53:36,977 ♪ Let it snow. ♪ 2324 01:53:37,144 --> 01:53:38,562 Geraldo: Ashley Dupré. 2325 01:53:38,729 --> 01:53:41,774 Man: Yeah, New York, stand up. 2326 01:53:41,941 --> 01:53:43,275 ♪ Start spreading the news ♪ 2327 01:53:43,442 --> 01:53:44,985 ♪ Start spreading the news ♪ 2328 01:53:45,152 --> 01:53:47,530 - ? I'm leaving today? - ? I'm leaving today? 2329 01:53:47,696 --> 01:53:50,658 ♪ I wanna be a part of it, New York, New York... ♪ 2330 01:53:50,825 --> 01:53:52,701 Gold went up to 1040 today. 2331 01:53:52,868 --> 01:53:54,745 There was a huge panic about inflation 2332 01:53:54,912 --> 01:53:56,831 and the Arabs wanting to be paid for their oil 2333 01:53:56,997 --> 01:53:58,707 in a currency other than US. 2334 01:53:58,874 --> 01:54:01,085 But I think that's just a temporary rumor. 2335 01:54:01,252 --> 01:54:03,420 But it did have serious impact. 2336 01:54:03,587 --> 01:54:05,190 - ? New York? - Man: ♪ Yo, it's so deep ♪ 2337 01:54:05,214 --> 01:54:07,424 ♪ I woke up in the city that don't sleep ♪ 2338 01:54:07,591 --> 01:54:10,302 ♪ Got me up all night like a sink with a slow leak ♪ 2339 01:54:10,469 --> 01:54:12,263 ♪ Holds me in its grips... ♪ 2340 01:54:12,429 --> 01:54:14,533 There's a couple of people that I'd like to do that to. 2341 01:54:14,557 --> 01:54:15,850 ( laughing ) 2342 01:54:16,016 --> 01:54:17,661 Man: ♪ And this must mean up in here comes... ♪ 2343 01:54:17,685 --> 01:54:19,895 Okay, the Governor of New York is using our service. 2344 01:54:20,062 --> 01:54:22,982 How bad can what we're doing be? Right? 2345 01:54:23,148 --> 01:54:26,694 ♪ NYC... known as where you go to become the person you wanna be ♪ 2346 01:54:26,861 --> 01:54:28,779 ♪ Look, you got some small-town blues ♪ 2347 01:54:28,946 --> 01:54:30,948 ♪ You're trying to lose, we got a big city here ♪ 2348 01:54:31,115 --> 01:54:33,951 ♪ To abuse your virtue, it might help you or hurt you ♪ 2349 01:54:34,118 --> 01:54:35,327 ♪ Save or desert you ♪ 2350 01:54:35,494 --> 01:54:37,294 ♪ Get close to bright lights, might burn you ♪ 2351 01:54:37,413 --> 01:54:39,248 Woman: ♪ Start spreading the news... ♪ 2352 01:54:39,415 --> 01:54:41,125 It's virtually worthless. 2353 01:54:41,292 --> 01:54:43,127 About-about 100... 2354 01:54:43,294 --> 01:54:44,962 About $100 million. 2355 01:54:45,129 --> 01:54:46,964 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2356 01:54:47,131 --> 01:54:48,799 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2357 01:54:48,966 --> 01:54:51,302 - ? These vagabond shoes? - ? These vagabond shoes? 2358 01:54:51,468 --> 01:54:54,305 ♪ Are longing to stray ♪ 2359 01:54:54,471 --> 01:54:56,307 ♪ The very heart of it ♪ 2360 01:54:56,473 --> 01:54:58,726 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2361 01:54:58,893 --> 01:55:00,311 ♪ Feel me ♪ 2362 01:55:00,477 --> 01:55:02,897 ♪ New York, big city of dreams, big schemes ♪ 2363 01:55:03,063 --> 01:55:05,816 ♪ Petty hustles on the corner claim they're doing big things ♪ 2364 01:55:05,983 --> 01:55:08,319 ♪ Winning battles, never wars, doing dirt-like chores ♪ 2365 01:55:08,485 --> 01:55:11,113 ♪ Never know who's telling lies but the city keeps score ♪ 2366 01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,033 ♪ Good place to watch your back and back-watch your front too ♪ 2367 01:55:14,199 --> 01:55:16,869 ♪ Jump too high, someone is quick to bump you ♪ 2368 01:55:17,036 --> 01:55:19,496 ♪ Stuff you in a trunk with a lump when you come to ♪ 2369 01:55:19,663 --> 01:55:22,333 ♪ And then everyone's committing crime to steal enough food ♪ 2370 01:55:22,499 --> 01:55:24,939 ♪ Trudge through the urban jungle and you'll see some things ♪ 2371 01:55:25,085 --> 01:55:27,755 ♪ New York eats its young and defeats its kings ♪ 2372 01:55:27,922 --> 01:55:30,507 ♪ Projects to penthouses, Park Ave to the hood ♪ 2373 01:55:30,674 --> 01:55:32,009 ♪ Win or lose you can't choose ♪ 2374 01:55:32,176 --> 01:55:33,928 ♪ You take the bad with the good ♪ 2375 01:55:34,094 --> 01:55:36,494 ♪ And the upside is higher than the sky above the 'scrapers ♪ 2376 01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:38,974 ♪ If you're looking for fame, power, influence or paper ♪ 2377 01:55:39,141 --> 01:55:41,769 ♪ Make your move but don't think your little lunch comes free ♪ 2378 01:55:41,936 --> 01:55:44,271 ♪ It's granted by the higher power known as NYC ♪ 2379 01:55:44,438 --> 01:55:46,982 - ? These little-town blues? - ? These little-town blues? 2380 01:55:47,149 --> 01:55:49,818 - ? Are melting away? - ? Are melting away? 2381 01:55:49,985 --> 01:55:52,154 ♪ I'll make a brand-new start of it ♪ 2382 01:55:52,321 --> 01:55:55,032 - ? New York, New York? - ? New York, New York? 2383 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:56,700 ♪ If I can make it there ♪ 2384 01:55:56,867 --> 01:55:58,035 ♪ If I can make it there ♪ 2385 01:55:58,202 --> 01:56:00,371 ♪ I'll make it anywhere ♪ 2386 01:56:00,537 --> 01:56:03,082 ♪ It's up to you New York ♪ 2387 01:56:03,248 --> 01:56:04,917 ♪ New York ♪ 2388 01:56:05,084 --> 01:56:06,835 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2389 01:56:07,002 --> 01:56:10,214 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2390 01:56:10,381 --> 01:56:12,383 ♪ New York City ♪ 2391 01:56:12,549 --> 01:56:15,260 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2392 01:56:15,427 --> 01:56:17,888 ♪ New York City is the place ♪ 2393 01:56:18,055 --> 01:56:21,225 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2394 01:56:21,392 --> 01:56:23,227 ♪ New York City is the place to be ♪ 2395 01:56:23,394 --> 01:56:26,188 ♪ New York, New York ♪ 2396 01:56:26,355 --> 01:56:28,732 ♪ New York City is the place to be ♪ 2397 01:56:28,899 --> 01:56:31,360 ♪ Ba-Ba-da Ba-Ba-Ba-da ♪ 2398 01:56:31,527 --> 01:56:34,196 ♪ Ba-Ba-da Ba-Ba-Ba-da ♪ 2399 01:56:34,363 --> 01:56:37,074 ♪ Ba-Ba-da Ba-Ba-Ba-da ♪ 2400 01:56:39,326 --> 01:56:42,371 - ? Start spreading the news? - ? Start spreading the news? 2401 01:56:42,538 --> 01:56:44,873 - ? I'm leaving today? - ? I'm leaving today? 2402 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:49,753 ♪ I wanna be a part of it, New York, New York ♪ 2403 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:53,465 - ? These vagabond shoes? - ? These vagabond shoes? 2404 01:56:53,632 --> 01:56:56,176 - ? Are longing to stray? - ? Are longing to stray? 2405 01:56:56,343 --> 01:56:58,387 ♪ Right through the very heart of it ♪ 2406 01:56:58,554 --> 01:57:01,557 ♪ New York, New York. ♪ 2407 01:57:03,058 --> 01:57:05,060 ( vocalizing ) 2408 01:57:23,454 --> 01:57:25,330 ( music fading ) 186608

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