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Previously on
"The Thing About Pam."
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This time chemo wasn't bad.
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I feel kinda good.
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So what happened to Betsy?
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Some kind of accident
or something?
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She's not accidentally dead.
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She's not naturally dead.
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Some lady on Sumac got stabbed,
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20, maybe 60 times.
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Textbook spousal homicide.
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He was kinda not
nice verbally to her.
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Real aggressive.
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Pam is a good person.
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And I just don't
care for his type.
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A grieving
family is a family in need,
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and Pam is all helping hands.
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Who would think such a nice lady
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was there to help herself?
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God, such a hassle.
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All those people in your
hair on a day like this.
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You need a pick-me-up.
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Aunt Tammy,
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I've been trying to
call my dad all day
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and he's not answering.
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Bet they took his phone.
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Why... why would
they take his phone?
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I'm gonna go find him.
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- Sweetie, sweetie.
- Why don't you stay?
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No. He's... he's all alone.
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Two sugars, right?
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I'll just have a
little cream. Thanks.
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I wouldn't worry
too much about Russ.
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You know, they always
look at the husband first.
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Big surprise.
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You're not surprised
they got Russ?
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He could be scary.
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Oh, I know.
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One time he said, "You
women are such asses."
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And I was like, "Excuse me",
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"just trying to get
directions to the house.
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No need for that."
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One time he chased
my ex-boyfriend
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out the house with
a baseball bat.
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- No.
- Yeah.
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Lord knows Russ isn't perfect,
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but don't go around saying
that the police have got him.
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We just don't need the whole
town talking like he...
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Like he...
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Narrator: Oh,
there will be talk.
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A whole lot of talk
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from some more than others.
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What does a lie
look like anyway?
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Is it a line on a graph?
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Did you kill Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Do you know who
killed Betsy Faria?
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No.
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Is today December 28th, 2011?
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Yes.
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I think we got what we need.
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- I, uh... I...
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I need to see my
dad, Russ Faria.
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Um, he's gonna be back
there for a while.
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I wouldn't bother waiting.
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Hi, I'm Russ Faria's daughter.
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I'm looking for my dad and...
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Got the results of
your polygraph back.
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Whoo.
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You failed.
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Epically. 100%.
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I did?
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You may as well confess,
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make everything
easier on yourself.
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I don't even know why I'm here.
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Well, I guess
this is gonna take a while.
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All right, Russ.
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Let's go over this
one more time.
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Narrator: Can a lie be
detected by a machine
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or squeezed out under pressure?
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- It's been 24 hours.
- You have to let him go.
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And get us something we can
use to bring him back for good.
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Narrator: Can a lie sneak into
our lives like a Trojan horse
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without us even
knowing it's there?
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Or is a lie more like a virus
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spread through the air from
one person to the next?
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So I was at Betsy's mom's
and Russ wasn't around.
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So they must still
be holding him.
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You know what that means.
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We're looking closely at him.
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You really think he did it.
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The DA told my mom
everything points to Russ.
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- Mm-hmm.
- How 'bout that 911 call?
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Crying like a baby.
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I mean, I could act
better than that
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and I'm only second
semester theater.
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- Listen, Janet. I apologize.
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We don't have enough
to charge him yet,
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but the detectives are close.
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You get him, Ms. Askey.
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I'm not sure what you mean
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you don't have
enough to charge him.
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Uh...
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I need probable
cause for the judge.
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So like, a witness,
evidence, stuff like that?
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Yeah, stuff like that.
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Uh, listen, Janet, you
will be the first person
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to find out when
we make the arrest.
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And again, I am so sorry, okay?
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Bye now.
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Sorry, but she's wrong.
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Why would the police lie?
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He's out now though, right?
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Whoa. Whoa, whoa.
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- Oh, I am...
- I mean...
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I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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You can't see Russ anymore.
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That's not a good idea.
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I can't see my dad?
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And I'll never see my mom again.
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So what, you're just gonna
make me like... like an orphan?
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Well, he's not your real dad.
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He's the only dad I ever knew.
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Well, you got your grandmother.
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She was tired.
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You just let her leave.
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She should have stayed with us.
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I know sweetie.
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I... I didn't get my hug.
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Narrator: Can a lie be
folded into a hug...
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Even from the ones you trust?
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- Hello?
- Hey.
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Um, a detective called
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and he wants to come
by and talk to me.
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- When?
- Couple days.
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Could you make it any sooner?
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Well, we have that big
mold inspection tomorrow.
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We'll reschedule it, Mark.
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Pretty sure the
police need our help.
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Narrator: Back in 2007,
Betsy's light shined on Pam.
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They were friends, good friends.
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Pam even asked Betsy to
DJ her daughter's wedding.
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Hey, Travis!
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Travis!
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Come "Hokey Pokey"
with your mom!
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Boo!
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Can we get the bride up in here?
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- Yay!
- Yeah, Sarah!
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Everybody, backside!
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Narrator: Pam took pride in
making all the right moves.
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A purposeful choreography
through life.
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Look at that mama of the bride!
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Who knew she could
get down like this?
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Well, Sarah didn't.
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She didn't want me
to pay you, Bets.
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She said we could
just use an iPod.
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Mom!
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Well, happy to give
you the friend rate.
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No, no, no. You get full pay.
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I was telling her,
Bets needs the work.
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Pam, why don't you just go
ahead and give me the mic.
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I'm so sorry, Betsy.
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For what?
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I'm paying for
this whole shebang.
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Hey, you know what?
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I'm so happy to be here.
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We're having a good time.
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This... this gig's on me.
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No. Really? No charge?
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- No charge.
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Congratulations, Sarah.
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Okay, everybody. Here we go.
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Put your whole self in.
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narrator: They say when someone
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shows you who they are,
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believe it.
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But would Lincoln County
detectives see Pam
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and believe her?
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You boys want a cookie?
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I'm baking up a storm
for the holidays.
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- I don't mind if I do.
- Oh.
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No need to take up any
of your time, Mrs. Hupp.
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We only need to talk
to your husband.
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Sure. No problem.
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Okay, so, Mr. Hupp, on
the night of the 27th,
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- you were at home?
- Yes.
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Oh, you play ball?
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AAA down in Florida.
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Oh.
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- Till he threw out his arm.
- Mm.
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Um
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Hon, why don't you play that
voicemail Betsy left ya?
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- Happy Christmas, Mark.
- Hope you're good.
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Thanks for loaning me Pam.
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So full of life.
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That was 7:00? Mm.
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- Yep, 7:04.
- Mm, mm.
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So I take it you
knew Betsy then.
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Through Pam.
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Didn't know Russ though.
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Who did, honestly?
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I've been through how
many of their separations
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and I'm still on the tip
of the iceberg over here.
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And just some of
the stuff she'd say.
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Did you guys ever
find that letter
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that Betsy was writing?
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- No.
- Oh.
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Some of the officers
the other day
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seemed really interested.
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Kept asking me.
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Um, it was just some
letter or something
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that Bets was gonna
email to tell me about
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something Russ did to her.
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I don't know if she
deleted it or whatever.
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Why would she email it to you
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versus talking to you about it?
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Uh, I mean,
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Betsy emailed all the time.
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You know, she emailed people.
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She'd email about this and
that and just general stuff.
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You know, she loved email.
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Knowing Bets, uh, she
probably got charged to text,
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so that's why email.
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Save the money.
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- Got it.
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Do you know what
was in this email?
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Russ started playing this game
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of putting a pillow
over her face.
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And he'd say this is
what it's gonna feel like
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when you die or whatever. Um,
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I didn't really know the guy,
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but just from what Bets said,
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he seemed sorta...
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- Abusive?
- Real abusive.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I was like,
well, email it to me.
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But I never got it.
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And would you be willing
to testify to all this?
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If you think it'd be helpful.
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Tina, call the judge!
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We have our probable cause.
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So you given any more thought
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to your cousin's offer?
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Joel, that's the lawyer,
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he said that you
would be the one
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to have to contact him first.
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I don't know.
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Feels like getting
a lawyer means
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that I'm somebody who
needs a lawyer, you know?
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I just... I just want
to get past this.
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Mom, come on. You
can do that later.
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Otherwise, it'll stick.
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Are you gonna do these dishes?
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Sorry, what? Didn't get that.
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- Sheriff's Department!
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Russell Faria,
you're under arrest
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for the murder of Betsy Faria.
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- It's okay.
- No!
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Ah...
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- Get up.
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Russ, it's okay!
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I want a lawyer.
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Narrator: He rolled
in from the city,
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a busy man from a high-rise
firm in St. Louis.
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Russ' new lawyer, Joel Schwartz
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was about to encounter...
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Well, he had no idea.
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Green Gables?
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It's not even green.
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Wait, it's not? I Yelped and...
271
00:14:50,948 --> 00:14:54,589
And this definitely looked
like the best hotel in town.
272
00:14:54,622 --> 00:14:59,164
Um, but there is a... A
Holiday Inn down the 47.
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- Do you want me to check that?
- What color are their gables?
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I can check.
275
00:15:04,542 --> 00:15:06,278
- Oh, you're kidding.
276
00:15:06,311 --> 00:15:07,648
- Yeah, I'm kidding.
- Oh, right.
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It's our first day
working together.
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You get a pass.
279
00:15:10,019 --> 00:15:12,023
Hey, I just got a
probable cause statement
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from the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
281
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Looks like an
eight-year-old wrote it.
282
00:15:16,231 --> 00:15:18,570
There's gotta be a more
substantial report coming.
283
00:15:18,603 --> 00:15:21,308
Should we wait before we
sit down with Russell then?
284
00:15:21,341 --> 00:15:23,412
- No. No.
- We've got a guy with a temper,
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volatile relationship,
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00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,719
marriage breaking up,
getting back together.
287
00:15:26,753 --> 00:15:30,126
And strangers don't stab
their victims 50 plus times.
288
00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,731
So, uh, I take it
you've represented
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a lot of guys like
Russ then before.
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00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:36,873
Oh, yeah.
291
00:15:36,906 --> 00:15:40,113
- Oh, yeah, it's kinda my jam.
- Yeah, mine too.
292
00:15:40,146 --> 00:15:42,083
Um, you know, I think so.
293
00:15:42,117 --> 00:15:46,091
Because this is my
first murder trial.
294
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In my experience, the
stats aren't wrong.
295
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:50,534
We got the husband
of the victim here.
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- Right.
- Right?
297
00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:03,492
Hey, Pam, you heard?
298
00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:05,764
Betsy Faria's
husband got arrested.
299
00:16:05,797 --> 00:16:07,200
No way.
300
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,404
Mm-hmm. News just said so.
301
00:16:09,437 --> 00:16:10,617
He goes to my sister's church.
302
00:16:10,641 --> 00:16:12,745
Can you believe that?
303
00:16:12,778 --> 00:16:14,481
I guess you never
know what's going on
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inside other people's houses.
305
00:16:24,702 --> 00:16:26,438
We're here to see Russ Faria.
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00:16:26,471 --> 00:16:28,743
- He's in holding.
- You can wait over there.
307
00:16:30,413 --> 00:16:32,150
Hey, excuse me.
308
00:16:33,319 --> 00:16:34,622
You can't go in there.
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00:16:34,655 --> 00:16:35,624
Why are you talking to my client
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00:16:35,657 --> 00:16:37,761
after he asked for a lawyer?
311
00:16:37,795 --> 00:16:39,264
Huh?
312
00:16:42,805 --> 00:16:45,577
- That's him.
- That's Joel Schwartz.
313
00:16:45,611 --> 00:16:47,447
I like his style.
314
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,752
He looks like Tom
Hanks from "Splash."
315
00:16:49,785 --> 00:16:51,297
How much do you think
that haircut cost?
316
00:16:51,321 --> 00:16:54,160
He already put in a
request for evidence.
317
00:16:54,194 --> 00:16:55,797
He's good.
318
00:16:55,831 --> 00:16:59,672
We don't let guys like
that dick us around, Tina.
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00:17:01,676 --> 00:17:03,780
Thanks for coming.
320
00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:08,222
Yeah, well, we're here
to help you, Russ.
321
00:17:08,255 --> 00:17:10,293
First off, is it true that
you talked to the police
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00:17:10,326 --> 00:17:12,330
for 24 hours straight?
323
00:17:12,363 --> 00:17:15,236
Yeah.
324
00:17:15,269 --> 00:17:17,508
How much did you tell them?
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All of it.
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00:17:20,514 --> 00:17:22,417
All of what?
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The truth.
328
00:17:29,765 --> 00:17:34,174
Am I really going to have
to go in front of a jury
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00:17:34,207 --> 00:17:36,211
because you two can't
get a confession
330
00:17:36,245 --> 00:17:37,615
out of this maniac?
331
00:17:37,648 --> 00:17:38,850
The guy's a good liar.
332
00:17:38,883 --> 00:17:40,787
He's sticking to his
Arby's and game night.
333
00:17:40,821 --> 00:17:42,758
I wish to God I hadn't
gone to game night,
334
00:17:42,791 --> 00:17:44,629
but that's where I was,
335
00:17:44,662 --> 00:17:46,666
so how can everybody
think I did this?
336
00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:48,178
It doesn't matter
what everyone thinks.
337
00:17:48,202 --> 00:17:51,308
It matters what the
prosecution can prove.
338
00:17:51,341 --> 00:17:53,713
Wait.
339
00:17:53,747 --> 00:17:56,719
Do you think I killed Betsy?
340
00:17:56,753 --> 00:17:58,590
I don't know what
I think yet, Russ.
341
00:17:58,623 --> 00:17:59,759
Okay.
342
00:17:59,792 --> 00:18:03,600
But... don't you
have to believe me?
343
00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:06,104
Isn't that, like, part of this?
344
00:18:06,138 --> 00:18:09,845
I'm bumping on the
same thing you are.
345
00:18:09,879 --> 00:18:11,391
I'm not even sure why
we're sitting here
346
00:18:11,415 --> 00:18:13,319
if your alibi checks out.
347
00:18:13,352 --> 00:18:15,222
Talk to my friends then.
348
00:18:18,362 --> 00:18:20,399
That alibi's still
tough to get around.
349
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:23,472
We could widen the net,
look at a few more suspects.
350
00:18:23,506 --> 00:18:24,842
You're the detective,
351
00:18:24,875 --> 00:18:26,345
but just because a pocket square
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00:18:26,378 --> 00:18:29,652
rolls in from the city
doesn't mean that we're wrong.
353
00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:30,887
So what do we have?
354
00:18:30,921 --> 00:18:32,290
There must've been a cleanup.
355
00:18:32,323 --> 00:18:34,494
There wasn't blood
on Russ' clothing?
356
00:18:34,528 --> 00:18:36,198
Not a drop.
357
00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:39,137
Do we have the
luminol photos back?
358
00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:43,713
Those would show if there
was blood cleaned up.
359
00:18:43,747 --> 00:18:45,349
Camera malfunctioned.
360
00:18:45,383 --> 00:18:46,586
Photos showed nothing.
361
00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:48,523
Totally blank.
362
00:18:48,556 --> 00:18:51,596
Should we take a
look just to be sure?
363
00:18:51,629 --> 00:18:52,941
If he says they're
blank, they're blank.
364
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:53,800
What's the point?
365
00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:56,739
Get over here, McCarrick!
366
00:18:56,773 --> 00:18:58,910
This guy stabbed
his wife 57 times
367
00:18:58,943 --> 00:19:00,914
and he didn't do it stark naked
368
00:19:00,947 --> 00:19:02,885
spraying Lysol out of his ass,
369
00:19:02,918 --> 00:19:05,657
so he must've missed a spot.
370
00:19:05,691 --> 00:19:08,663
If you were at game night,
371
00:19:08,697 --> 00:19:10,667
then who took Betsy home?
372
00:19:10,701 --> 00:19:12,303
Her friend, Pam.
373
00:19:12,337 --> 00:19:13,439
Pam.
374
00:19:13,472 --> 00:19:16,178
Why don't you tell me about Pam?
375
00:19:16,211 --> 00:19:17,614
She's...
376
00:19:17,648 --> 00:19:19,184
I don't know.
377
00:19:19,217 --> 00:19:21,188
Nice lady.
378
00:19:21,221 --> 00:19:23,359
"Nice lady."
379
00:19:23,392 --> 00:19:27,568
Okay, and what about
your stepdaughter, Lily?
380
00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:28,536
She got an ex-boyfriend?
381
00:19:28,570 --> 00:19:31,542
Oh, he's a huge tool,
382
00:19:31,576 --> 00:19:34,280
but I don't think he
could've done this.
383
00:19:34,314 --> 00:19:35,693
Well, we should
still check him out
384
00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:38,690
just to dot the Ts
and cross the...
385
00:19:41,629 --> 00:19:42,865
Okay, Russ.
386
00:19:42,898 --> 00:19:45,369
Well, that should be
enough for us to start.
387
00:19:45,403 --> 00:19:48,710
Whoa. What happens now?
388
00:19:48,743 --> 00:19:50,747
Well, you'll be
held until trial.
389
00:19:50,781 --> 00:19:54,454
You mean in jail?
390
00:19:59,297 --> 00:20:02,303
Nate and I are gonna
sort this out, okay?
391
00:20:02,336 --> 00:20:04,709
In the meantime, you do not
talk to the police without me,
392
00:20:04,742 --> 00:20:06,979
you understand?
393
00:20:16,833 --> 00:20:18,235
Why would he ask us
394
00:20:18,268 --> 00:20:19,905
to interview five
independent witnesses?
395
00:20:19,939 --> 00:20:22,511
That's just gonna
make him look bad.
396
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,915
I'm sorry.
397
00:20:24,949 --> 00:20:26,762
I'm still trying to pick
up on your social cues.
398
00:20:26,786 --> 00:20:28,021
What's the sign?
399
00:20:28,055 --> 00:20:29,534
I've represented a
lot of guilty people,
400
00:20:29,558 --> 00:20:31,896
but it's the innocent ones
that keep me up at night.
401
00:20:31,929 --> 00:20:34,367
Wait, you think that
he didn't do this?
402
00:20:37,908 --> 00:20:40,680
I guess the pressure's on now.
403
00:20:43,051 --> 00:20:45,657
If the clothes he was wearing
don't have blood on them,
404
00:20:45,690 --> 00:20:48,696
then he must've
changed, washed up.
405
00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:50,266
Was there blood in the bathroom?
406
00:20:50,299 --> 00:20:52,336
Did you take apart the shower?
407
00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:53,573
Morning, Leah.
408
00:20:53,606 --> 00:20:55,911
You guys are just sitting
around sucking on your thumbs
409
00:20:55,944 --> 00:20:57,957
and you have no confession,
which means you've just laid
410
00:20:57,981 --> 00:21:00,887
ten times the amount
of work at my feet.
411
00:21:00,921 --> 00:21:03,560
You were just elected
DA, what, a month ago?
412
00:21:03,593 --> 00:21:06,031
It shows.
413
00:21:06,064 --> 00:21:07,577
I thought you were excited
about the big case.
414
00:21:07,601 --> 00:21:09,370
Well, not if I'm gonna lose.
415
00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:11,374
I have to show people
why they elected me.
416
00:21:11,408 --> 00:21:14,648
Maybe someone could do a
test drive from Arby's.
417
00:21:14,682 --> 00:21:16,519
I saw the receipt.
It's timestamped.
418
00:21:16,552 --> 00:21:19,925
Thank you, Tina, who
is not a detective.
419
00:21:19,959 --> 00:21:22,463
How could we ever show
that it was possible
420
00:21:22,497 --> 00:21:25,837
for Russ to get home from
Arby's in time to kill Betsy?
421
00:21:25,871 --> 00:21:27,574
He must've gone over
the speed limit.
422
00:21:27,608 --> 00:21:28,843
I'll take care of it.
423
00:21:28,877 --> 00:21:31,883
Now, you two, please
take apart the house
424
00:21:31,916 --> 00:21:33,920
and find me the blood.
425
00:21:36,726 --> 00:21:37,961
11:41 a. m.
426
00:21:37,995 --> 00:21:39,965
Detective Brian McCarrick here.
427
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,403
Leaving Arby's en route
to 130 Sumac Drive.
428
00:22:09,625 --> 00:22:10,760
Boom!
429
00:22:10,794 --> 00:22:11,996
Plenty of time to kill you.
430
00:22:12,029 --> 00:22:13,633
Yah!
431
00:22:15,737 --> 00:22:17,975
What the friggin' hell?
432
00:22:18,877 --> 00:22:21,616
Ugh!
433
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:24,622
The entire floor
stinks like that?
434
00:22:24,655 --> 00:22:28,061
- Mold. It's bad.
- Ugh.
435
00:22:28,095 --> 00:22:31,536
We might have to dip
into the Florida money.
436
00:22:31,569 --> 00:22:33,071
It's gone.
437
00:22:35,175 --> 00:22:36,579
All of it?
438
00:22:36,612 --> 00:22:38,448
How'd you think I paid
for that flip house
439
00:22:38,482 --> 00:22:39,661
when we're behind
the mortgage here?
440
00:22:39,685 --> 00:22:40,887
Well, I... I don't know.
441
00:22:40,921 --> 00:22:43,458
Maybe your disability money.
442
00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:46,832
I told you about that
stupid letter I got, Mark.
443
00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:48,903
They said I don't
qualify anymore.
444
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:53,478
But your bad leg.
445
00:22:53,513 --> 00:22:55,617
Tell it to the man.
446
00:23:01,529 --> 00:23:04,467
I'll get us the money.
447
00:23:15,489 --> 00:23:16,525
Hey.
448
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,930
I just got back from seeing
all those gamer guys.
449
00:23:18,963 --> 00:23:20,834
Super sweet group of dudes.
450
00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:23,773
I've got five people
451
00:23:23,806 --> 00:23:26,177
who said that Russ left at 9:00.
452
00:23:26,211 --> 00:23:28,057
Well, you can't be at
game night and the Arby's
453
00:23:28,081 --> 00:23:31,187
at the same time you're
killing your wife.
454
00:23:31,221 --> 00:23:33,191
So I was looking
at these autopsy...
455
00:23:33,225 --> 00:23:34,704
Do you mind if I show this to
you while you're eating lunch?
456
00:23:34,728 --> 00:23:35,697
- No.
- Okay.
457
00:23:35,730 --> 00:23:38,503
It looks like there is a bruise
458
00:23:38,536 --> 00:23:40,674
- on Betsy's neck here.
- Mm.
459
00:23:40,707 --> 00:23:42,019
And then it looks like the knife
460
00:23:42,043 --> 00:23:44,581
was stuck into that same spot
461
00:23:44,615 --> 00:23:46,619
after she was dead.
462
00:23:46,652 --> 00:23:49,457
Maybe the bruise means
she was strangled first?
463
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:52,496
And then put the knife there
to cover up the fingerprints.
464
00:23:52,531 --> 00:23:54,969
Yeah, it's weird.
465
00:23:55,002 --> 00:23:57,541
She has so many stab
wounds on her back, Joel,
466
00:23:57,574 --> 00:23:59,945
but there's no
blood on the carpet.
467
00:23:59,979 --> 00:24:01,157
And they're all the same size,
468
00:24:01,181 --> 00:24:03,853
same depth, all
made post-mortem.
469
00:24:03,886 --> 00:24:05,557
Methodical, not passionate,
470
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:07,002
but trying to make
it look like that.
471
00:24:07,026 --> 00:24:09,598
Is that the number one
criminal defense attorney
472
00:24:09,632 --> 00:24:10,967
in all of St. Louis?
473
00:24:11,001 --> 00:24:12,638
- Number two, actually.
474
00:24:12,671 --> 00:24:14,608
- That's right. Number two.
- Yeah.
475
00:24:14,642 --> 00:24:15,877
And you must be,
476
00:24:15,910 --> 00:24:17,748
let me guess, our
district attorney.
477
00:24:17,781 --> 00:24:18,883
You can call me Leah.
478
00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:20,252
- Leah. Oh, Leah...
- Yes.
479
00:24:20,285 --> 00:24:22,858
We still haven't received
our luminol photos
480
00:24:22,891 --> 00:24:24,628
from the crime scene.
481
00:24:24,662 --> 00:24:27,233
- Photos didn't come out.
- There was a camera malfunction.
482
00:24:27,266 --> 00:24:29,571
- Oh, well, that's too bad.
- Yeah.
483
00:24:29,605 --> 00:24:30,750
We're still gonna
need to see those.
484
00:24:30,774 --> 00:24:33,513
And the polygraph results too.
485
00:24:33,546 --> 00:24:35,717
Photos and polygraph
coming right up.
486
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:37,253
Okay.
487
00:24:37,286 --> 00:24:40,259
Hey, Danny, this one's on me.
488
00:24:40,292 --> 00:24:42,864
They're guests in our town.
489
00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:44,000
Night, boys.
490
00:24:44,033 --> 00:24:46,572
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
491
00:24:47,808 --> 00:24:49,143
- Uh...
- Oh, boy.
492
00:24:49,177 --> 00:24:51,782
Okay, okay. What's next?
493
00:24:51,816 --> 00:24:53,294
- Let's go to motive to kill.
- All right.
494
00:24:53,318 --> 00:24:56,625
So based on the
detectives' interviews,
495
00:24:56,659 --> 00:24:58,037
it seems like they're
gonna go with the fact
496
00:24:58,061 --> 00:25:00,099
that Russ was this rage
monster who snapped...
497
00:25:00,132 --> 00:25:02,269
Askey will go with that,
sure, but if she's smart,
498
00:25:02,303 --> 00:25:04,007
she'll pile on a bunch
of other reasons.
499
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,577
Or it could be insurance.
500
00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:06,888
Do you want me to check to
see if Betsy had a policy?
501
00:25:06,912 --> 00:25:08,716
She was terminally ill.
502
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:10,028
I mean, if he was gonna
kill her for the money,
503
00:25:10,052 --> 00:25:13,526
why wouldn't he just
wait a couple of months?
504
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:19,671
What about SODDIs? "Some
other dude did it."
505
00:25:19,705 --> 00:25:20,907
- Oh.
- Yeah.
506
00:25:22,577 --> 00:25:24,581
I just went through 500 pages
507
00:25:24,615 --> 00:25:27,921
of the daughter's
boyfriend's text messages.
508
00:25:27,954 --> 00:25:29,625
- And?
- I wouldn't date the guy,
509
00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:32,063
but he didn't kill Betsy.
510
00:25:32,096 --> 00:25:34,768
What about that Pam lady?
511
00:25:34,802 --> 00:25:37,173
I mean, she was the last
one to see Betsy alive.
512
00:25:37,206 --> 00:25:38,786
We definitely need to
see her cell records.
513
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:40,179
I have tried.
514
00:25:40,212 --> 00:25:42,784
But the DA doesn't seem to
think that we need them.
515
00:25:42,818 --> 00:25:44,698
Yeah, well, that's because
Pam doesn't fit into
516
00:25:44,722 --> 00:25:46,559
what Askey wants to see.
517
00:25:46,592 --> 00:25:47,928
- That's a good point.
- Right?
518
00:25:55,744 --> 00:25:57,222
I have to go home
and tuck in the kids
519
00:25:57,246 --> 00:26:00,052
or Chris will get his
panties in a twist.
520
00:26:00,085 --> 00:26:01,856
Yeah, we wouldn't
want that, would we?
521
00:26:01,889 --> 00:26:05,095
Mm-mm.
522
00:26:05,129 --> 00:26:07,066
Well, let's see.
523
00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:10,172
There's the bloody smear
on the light switch.
524
00:26:10,205 --> 00:26:12,209
- Test that against Russ.
- Okay.
525
00:26:12,243 --> 00:26:16,217
And then there's
the bloody slippers.
526
00:26:16,251 --> 00:26:18,288
That is a wrinkle.
527
00:26:18,321 --> 00:26:20,727
Why would he put his
slippers back in the closet
528
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,296
after he killed her?
529
00:26:22,329 --> 00:26:24,109
And weird that there's
blood on the slippers,
530
00:26:24,133 --> 00:26:26,639
but not on his clothes.
531
00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:32,249
Maybe he did kill her naked.
532
00:26:33,318 --> 00:26:36,057
- So test that against Russ.
- Anyone else?
533
00:26:36,090 --> 00:26:39,363
Why?
534
00:26:39,397 --> 00:26:41,769
It's my first major murder case.
535
00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:43,973
I...
536
00:26:44,006 --> 00:26:47,012
It's a lot.
537
00:26:54,895 --> 00:26:56,765
- All right.
538
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,905
Well, if you're leaving,
539
00:26:59,938 --> 00:27:02,677
you should probably take
a look at that first.
540
00:27:09,958 --> 00:27:12,898
Narrator: Pam was always
working on something
541
00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,870
as she worked her
way to the top.
542
00:27:21,715 --> 00:27:23,418
Hello?
543
00:27:23,451 --> 00:27:25,389
Yeah, that's me.
544
00:27:27,794 --> 00:27:31,167
Yeah, I could do that.
545
00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:33,706
See you then.
546
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,710
Mm-hmm.
547
00:27:38,381 --> 00:27:41,321
The DA wants to talk to me.
548
00:27:41,354 --> 00:27:42,958
Again?
549
00:27:42,991 --> 00:27:45,362
No, Travis, try and keep up.
550
00:27:45,395 --> 00:27:48,401
That was the cops I
talked to last time.
551
00:27:50,072 --> 00:27:51,876
This is the DA.
552
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:54,948
Narrator: Just now,
she had a story to tell
553
00:27:54,982 --> 00:27:59,123
and just the right
person to tell it to.
554
00:28:12,517 --> 00:28:14,420
- Joel.
555
00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:15,890
I like your pocket square.
556
00:28:15,924 --> 00:28:17,369
There's not many men
that can pull off
557
00:28:17,393 --> 00:28:20,032
a pink pocket square.
558
00:28:20,065 --> 00:28:22,303
We're here for Pam
Hupp's cell data.
559
00:28:22,336 --> 00:28:23,906
Yeah.
560
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:26,712
You can go ahead and
analyze the phone anytime.
561
00:28:26,745 --> 00:28:28,481
No, not the phone itself.
562
00:28:28,516 --> 00:28:31,087
The raw data is converted
into a readable map
563
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,726
- for both sides.
- Okay.
564
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:34,828
Go for it.
565
00:28:34,861 --> 00:28:36,030
The state's analysis center
566
00:28:36,064 --> 00:28:37,032
is the one that makes the map.
567
00:28:37,066 --> 00:28:38,268
And you and I both know
568
00:28:38,301 --> 00:28:40,372
that we don't have
access to those services.
569
00:28:40,405 --> 00:28:42,944
Only you can make that request
to the Sheriff's office.
570
00:28:42,978 --> 00:28:44,146
So how do you suggest
571
00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:47,386
we convert raw cell
data on our own?
572
00:28:47,419 --> 00:28:48,889
I don't know, Joel.
573
00:28:48,923 --> 00:28:51,528
Google it?
574
00:28:51,562 --> 00:28:52,864
- Nah.
- No.
575
00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:54,534
No, you'll send me the cell map
576
00:28:54,568 --> 00:28:56,939
- and the luminol photos.
- Which I have been requesting.
577
00:28:56,972 --> 00:28:58,986
And the physical evidence and
everything else that you have
578
00:28:59,010 --> 00:29:00,747
because that is how this works.
579
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,383
Right, you old pro.
580
00:29:02,416 --> 00:29:04,888
I'm gonna have Tina put
together a disc for you.
581
00:29:04,922 --> 00:29:06,525
A really nice disc.
582
00:29:06,558 --> 00:29:07,928
Look forward to that.
583
00:29:07,961 --> 00:29:09,898
That was easy.
584
00:29:09,932 --> 00:29:11,367
Thanks for coming
all the way down!
585
00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:14,875
What a baby.
586
00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:32,276
Mom would have hated this.
587
00:29:32,309 --> 00:29:34,413
They really tore
the place apart.
588
00:29:37,954 --> 00:29:40,960
Um, I'm... I'm just
gonna get my new kitten
589
00:29:40,994 --> 00:29:45,570
and then we can just
get out of here.
590
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:13,358
How can you even look at him?
591
00:30:13,391 --> 00:30:14,928
Just because you
don't like him...
592
00:30:14,961 --> 00:30:16,197
He called me the C-word.
593
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:17,834
'Cause you stole
money from Grandma.
594
00:30:17,867 --> 00:30:19,504
Shut up.
595
00:30:19,538 --> 00:30:23,345
- Whatever. Let's just go.
- Come on.
596
00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:27,554
Mom always left those on.
597
00:30:41,648 --> 00:30:44,387
Wait.
598
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:46,124
It looks like Pam
took two showers.
599
00:30:46,157 --> 00:30:48,261
One the night Betsy died,
600
00:30:48,294 --> 00:30:49,531
and one the next morning.
601
00:30:49,564 --> 00:30:50,600
What the hell?
602
00:30:50,633 --> 00:30:53,371
This latest cell phone
info from the prosecution,
603
00:30:53,405 --> 00:30:54,875
it's useless.
604
00:30:54,908 --> 00:30:57,146
This is thousands of pages,
605
00:30:57,179 --> 00:30:59,383
thousands of pages of garbage.
606
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,358
Nothing in this case is easy.
607
00:31:06,565 --> 00:31:09,203
Narrator: Here they
were, together at last.
608
00:31:09,236 --> 00:31:11,240
- narrator: Pam and Leah Askey,
609
00:31:11,274 --> 00:31:13,411
just two public servants
610
00:31:13,445 --> 00:31:16,150
working for the common good.
611
00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:18,288
- Hi.
- Hi.
612
00:31:18,321 --> 00:31:21,260
Sorry I am such a sweaty Betty.
613
00:31:21,294 --> 00:31:23,264
I came straight from Zumba.
614
00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:25,202
You do Zumba? I do Zumba.
615
00:31:25,235 --> 00:31:27,674
- Tuesday, Thursday.
- I'm Wednesday, Friday.
616
00:31:29,343 --> 00:31:31,615
It is so nice to
officially meet you.
617
00:31:31,648 --> 00:31:34,120
- Mm-hmm.
- Have a seat.
618
00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:39,430
You have been through so much.
619
00:31:41,134 --> 00:31:44,508
Joel, look at this.
620
00:31:44,541 --> 00:31:47,580
That's to do with
the life insurance.
621
00:31:47,614 --> 00:31:48,516
Oh, Russ,
622
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:52,156
he was just getting
really creepy, you know?
623
00:31:52,189 --> 00:31:55,696
And... and he was making
her really nervous...
624
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:56,698
Mm-hmm.
625
00:31:56,732 --> 00:31:58,301
- With the pillow.
- Mm-hmm.
626
00:31:58,334 --> 00:31:59,580
And, you know, she'd turn around
627
00:31:59,604 --> 00:32:02,109
and he'd just be,
like, staring at her.
628
00:32:02,142 --> 00:32:03,344
Stuff like that.
629
00:32:03,378 --> 00:32:05,182
And four days before
he killed her...
630
00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:09,290
Betsy changed the
beneficiary from Russ to Pam.
631
00:32:11,227 --> 00:32:13,465
We got Pam's motive to kill.
632
00:32:13,498 --> 00:32:14,701
SODDI.
633
00:32:18,308 --> 00:32:20,613
This change of beneficiary
thing is really
634
00:32:20,646 --> 00:32:23,451
- gonna help our case.
- Oh, my God.
635
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,355
You think Russ
found out about it
636
00:32:25,388 --> 00:32:27,192
and that's what made him snap.
637
00:32:27,226 --> 00:32:28,328
Yep.
638
00:32:28,361 --> 00:32:29,507
Betsy took him off the policy
639
00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:31,467
and he killed her
in a fit of rage.
640
00:32:31,501 --> 00:32:34,406
- Well, that makes total sense.
- Unfortunately,
641
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,212
Betsy's like a lot of
abused women I've seen,
642
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:39,450
just trapped in a bad marriage,
643
00:32:39,483 --> 00:32:41,454
trying to make it
okay for the kids.
644
00:32:41,487 --> 00:32:43,391
Right. That was the idea.
645
00:32:43,424 --> 00:32:44,628
And everyone knows that
646
00:32:44,661 --> 00:32:46,632
Russ is kinda rough
around the edges.
647
00:32:46,665 --> 00:32:49,236
Well, I'm gonna make him
pay for what he's done.
648
00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:53,111
But I need someone
who really knows
649
00:32:53,144 --> 00:32:56,384
Betsy and Russ' relationship.
650
00:32:56,417 --> 00:32:58,756
To testify, you mean.
651
00:32:58,789 --> 00:33:01,093
Yeah.
652
00:33:01,127 --> 00:33:04,400
Well, I know everything about it
653
00:33:04,433 --> 00:33:07,005
'cause Betsy told me.
654
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,009
That's great.
655
00:33:09,043 --> 00:33:12,082
Thank you for
agreeing to testify.
656
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:15,021
Narrator: Sometimes,
it's best to let the fish
657
00:33:15,055 --> 00:33:18,261
think it's catching you.
658
00:33:18,294 --> 00:33:19,372
I was just trying
to help her out.
659
00:33:19,396 --> 00:33:22,269
So when Bets says she wanted
to put my name on policy,
660
00:33:22,302 --> 00:33:24,774
I said, "Whatever
you think is best."
661
00:33:24,808 --> 00:33:29,483
She was like, "Well,
anything's better than Russ."
662
00:33:29,518 --> 00:33:31,688
Narrator: Sometimes
you cast so many lines
663
00:33:31,722 --> 00:33:33,792
into that little pond,
664
00:33:33,826 --> 00:33:35,796
it makes a web.
665
00:33:37,834 --> 00:33:40,171
He's not good with money.
666
00:33:40,205 --> 00:33:44,146
Mm. Mm.
667
00:33:44,179 --> 00:33:45,382
I guess Betsy was just like
668
00:33:45,415 --> 00:33:48,054
a lot of women out
there, you know?
669
00:33:48,087 --> 00:33:51,127
Just a bad marriage,
670
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,566
trying to take care of the kids.
671
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,370
Mm.
672
00:33:56,404 --> 00:33:58,408
Now that's all on me.
673
00:33:58,441 --> 00:34:01,147
Well, I can sort
that out for you.
674
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:02,316
Oh, no.
675
00:34:02,349 --> 00:34:04,554
- Or... or Tammy can.
- No, I got it.
676
00:34:04,588 --> 00:34:06,324
I can take care of those girls.
677
00:34:06,357 --> 00:34:09,430
Set up a trust for
'em and everything.
678
00:34:09,463 --> 00:34:12,236
I have been
679
00:34:12,269 --> 00:34:17,212
thanking God for you
every night, Pam.
680
00:34:17,246 --> 00:34:19,751
Don't thank Him for me yet.
681
00:34:19,784 --> 00:34:25,630
I still gotta
testify against Russ.
682
00:34:25,663 --> 00:34:26,765
Well,
683
00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:31,708
Janet was practically begging
me to handle the money.
684
00:34:31,742 --> 00:34:35,616
You know what I had
to do to get it.
685
00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:37,452
Hell and back.
686
00:34:37,486 --> 00:34:40,091
State Acres has this
new phone tree thing.
687
00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:41,628
When you call, it takes forever.
688
00:34:41,662 --> 00:34:44,634
Finally got an old contact
of mine from HQ, Dusty.
689
00:34:44,668 --> 00:34:47,472
Seems like Dusty's got
bumped up through the ranks.
690
00:34:47,507 --> 00:34:49,376
Totally remembered me too.
691
00:34:49,410 --> 00:34:52,249
"Oh, Pam, how you
doing? How's Mark?"
692
00:34:52,282 --> 00:34:53,662
- That's good.
- Yeah, so, you know.
693
00:34:53,686 --> 00:34:56,390
I said, "Good. Betsy's
dead. Can I get that money?"
694
00:34:56,424 --> 00:35:00,398
And he pulled the trigger
for me right then.
695
00:35:00,432 --> 00:35:02,235
So you're good?
696
00:35:02,269 --> 00:35:04,340
Yeah.
697
00:35:06,243 --> 00:35:07,847
Don't stress about the house.
698
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,322
Get a whole team out
there to kill that mold.
699
00:35:12,356 --> 00:35:14,761
I'll bet you'll
get that facelift
700
00:35:14,794 --> 00:35:17,132
you've been wanting.
701
00:35:17,165 --> 00:35:21,273
Mom, I don't know what
you're even talking about.
702
00:35:21,307 --> 00:35:23,277
Well, your face does.
703
00:35:29,924 --> 00:35:31,895
Oops.
704
00:35:49,229 --> 00:35:53,304
- So, um, I was
able to run Pam's record one more time.
705
00:35:53,338 --> 00:35:54,306
Came back clean.
706
00:35:56,377 --> 00:35:57,623
It does sound like
she likes to bring on
707
00:35:57,647 --> 00:35:59,350
a lot of lawsuits.
708
00:35:59,383 --> 00:36:01,320
Her neighbors said
Pam talked about suing
709
00:36:01,354 --> 00:36:03,224
the hospital where
her son was born
710
00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:05,563
for giving him cerebral palsy.
711
00:36:05,596 --> 00:36:07,199
Guess that didn't work out.
712
00:36:09,003 --> 00:36:10,740
Then she claimed
that a filing cabinet
713
00:36:10,773 --> 00:36:12,744
fell on her head at work.
714
00:36:25,503 --> 00:36:27,472
Is that Leah Askey?
715
00:36:27,507 --> 00:36:28,776
That is Chris Mennemeyer,
716
00:36:28,809 --> 00:36:30,913
who, by the way, gave
out homemade cookies
717
00:36:30,946 --> 00:36:32,382
when she ran for
the judge's seat.
718
00:36:32,416 --> 00:36:35,723
So the judge and Leah Askey
went to high school together?
719
00:36:35,756 --> 00:36:37,492
Should we be worried?
720
00:36:37,527 --> 00:36:38,796
So we had this...
721
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:40,331
Narrator: There
are a lot of things
722
00:36:40,365 --> 00:36:42,737
you could say about Pam Hupp.
723
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:44,306
A... a ten-year plan.
724
00:36:44,339 --> 00:36:46,912
Narrator: One is that
she is cooperative.
725
00:36:46,945 --> 00:36:48,615
Well, the ten-year turned to 12,
726
00:36:48,649 --> 00:36:51,253
'cause 2008, the bottom
falls out, hits really hard,
727
00:36:51,287 --> 00:36:53,892
so we flip houses on the
side and got plenty of money.
728
00:36:53,926 --> 00:36:55,605
- Okay. It's...
- And a couple of months ago
729
00:36:55,629 --> 00:36:58,802
um, I had to put my mom
in a home and it's pricey.
730
00:36:58,836 --> 00:37:00,338
You know, my mom's got Alzheimer
731
00:37:00,371 --> 00:37:01,942
- and dementia and all of that.
- Sure.
732
00:37:01,975 --> 00:37:04,012
That's why the insurance money
733
00:37:04,046 --> 00:37:05,950
is just sitting
there. I'm too busy.
734
00:37:05,983 --> 00:37:07,095
Of course, I want to set
up that trust though.
735
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,356
- Right, right, right, right.
- So thanks for coming in
736
00:37:09,389 --> 00:37:10,826
to talk about the
insurance payout.
737
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:12,830
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, the 150,000,
738
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:15,536
that's in a separate
account than your own.
739
00:37:15,569 --> 00:37:21,715
Uh, it's just sitting
in my checking account.
740
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:24,654
Okay.
741
00:37:24,687 --> 00:37:26,792
We can go to the computer
and pull it up right now.
742
00:37:26,825 --> 00:37:28,896
No, no, no, no. I...
743
00:37:28,929 --> 00:37:30,766
No, no, I'm just saying,
744
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,908
to me, in my world,
150K is not that much.
745
00:37:34,941 --> 00:37:37,513
And if I really, I
mean, I hate to say it,
746
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:39,016
but if I wanted the money,
747
00:37:39,049 --> 00:37:43,324
my mom is worth half a million
that I get when she dies.
748
00:37:43,357 --> 00:37:45,930
So... and I know
that that sounds...
749
00:37:45,963 --> 00:37:47,408
That sounds morbid
and stuff like that...
750
00:37:47,432 --> 00:37:49,269
So... but you
intend to set up...
751
00:37:49,303 --> 00:37:50,706
I'm her life insurance person.
752
00:37:50,739 --> 00:37:51,775
I know. I know.
753
00:37:51,808 --> 00:37:53,044
But you do intend on
754
00:37:53,077 --> 00:37:54,814
setting up the trust
for Betsy's girls.
755
00:37:54,848 --> 00:37:56,852
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
756
00:37:56,885 --> 00:37:58,722
Just as soon as we
flip this house.
757
00:37:58,755 --> 00:38:00,325
'Cause, you know,
money's tied up
758
00:38:00,358 --> 00:38:02,864
and I still have physical
problems I see doctors for.
759
00:38:02,897 --> 00:38:04,008
It would be good for you, Pam,
760
00:38:04,032 --> 00:38:05,870
and it'll help our
case against Russ
761
00:38:05,903 --> 00:38:08,040
if that money's no longer
in your possession.
762
00:38:08,074 --> 00:38:10,011
How does it help me exactly?
763
00:38:10,044 --> 00:38:11,715
Well, you know, Schwartz,
764
00:38:11,748 --> 00:38:13,427
he might say you had something
to do with the murder
765
00:38:13,451 --> 00:38:16,591
'cause of a... because
of a financial windfall.
766
00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:21,968
Here I am trying to
help Betsy's family
767
00:38:22,002 --> 00:38:24,406
on top of my own, and...
768
00:38:24,439 --> 00:38:26,587
- What are the possibilities?
- I'm sorry for interrupting,
769
00:38:26,611 --> 00:38:28,982
but what are the possibilities
you get this trust set up
770
00:38:29,016 --> 00:38:33,357
for the girls before the trial?
771
00:38:33,391 --> 00:38:35,061
A hundred.
772
00:38:35,094 --> 00:38:38,902
100% it will be set up.
773
00:38:38,936 --> 00:38:42,510
And you'll call
me when you do it?
774
00:38:42,543 --> 00:38:43,812
Yeah, I will.
775
00:38:43,846 --> 00:38:47,854
Narrator: That's Pam, working
toward a common goal...
776
00:38:47,887 --> 00:38:49,389
I will.
777
00:38:49,423 --> 00:38:52,362
Narrator: Even if it'll
come back to haunt
778
00:38:52,395 --> 00:38:54,634
the Lincoln County
Sheriff's office.
779
00:38:59,076 --> 00:39:01,480
Did Arby's today.
780
00:39:01,515 --> 00:39:03,017
Turns out the timestamp
on the receipt
781
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:05,923
is when the order was
placed, not received.
782
00:39:05,956 --> 00:39:07,392
Well, there you go.
783
00:39:07,425 --> 00:39:09,463
That adds at least five
minutes to Russ' drive.
784
00:39:09,496 --> 00:39:10,642
There's no way he
could've gotten home
785
00:39:10,666 --> 00:39:12,068
in time to kill Betsy.
786
00:39:12,102 --> 00:39:13,948
Yeah, and I still don't
see any luminol photos
787
00:39:13,972 --> 00:39:17,112
in this latest
bundle from Askey.
788
00:39:17,145 --> 00:39:19,116
So they found Russ' bloody
slippers in the closet,
789
00:39:19,149 --> 00:39:20,653
but no luminol photos to show
790
00:39:20,686 --> 00:39:22,164
that any bloody footprints
were cleaned up.
791
00:39:22,188 --> 00:39:24,126
Nope.
792
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,098
I've been thinking a lot
about these murder slippers.
793
00:39:27,132 --> 00:39:30,906
How they look like they
were dipped in blood.
794
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:33,545
There's also blood
on Betsy's socks.
795
00:39:33,579 --> 00:39:35,649
Like, why is there
blood on Betsy's socks
796
00:39:35,683 --> 00:39:38,789
if all of the blood loss is
around her neck and arms?
797
00:39:38,822 --> 00:39:40,425
And the socks are
only on halfway,
798
00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:42,663
like someone put them
back on her in a hurry.
799
00:39:42,697 --> 00:39:45,134
They used the sock gloves
800
00:39:45,168 --> 00:39:47,907
to transport the
murder slippers?
801
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:49,777
Yes?
802
00:39:49,811 --> 00:39:51,648
Right? I play it out.
803
00:39:51,681 --> 00:39:53,986
They take the slippers,
they dip 'em in blood.
804
00:39:54,019 --> 00:39:55,656
They get blood on the socks.
805
00:39:55,689 --> 00:39:56,457
They're in a rush.
806
00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:58,695
They hit the bedroom
light switch,
807
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:00,699
which is why it looks
like a bloody smear...
808
00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:03,972
And not a fingerprint.
809
00:40:04,006 --> 00:40:07,445
No fingerprints, no
evidence of a cleanup.
810
00:40:07,479 --> 00:40:09,483
But even if Askey says
those luminol photos
811
00:40:09,517 --> 00:40:10,862
didn't turn out,
we still need 'em.
812
00:40:10,886 --> 00:40:12,155
No, I'll stay on her.
813
00:40:12,188 --> 00:40:13,892
And we still need
polygraph results too,
814
00:40:13,926 --> 00:40:15,696
if those even exist.
815
00:40:15,729 --> 00:40:17,600
They said... you can't fail
816
00:40:17,633 --> 00:40:19,570
a polygraph 100%, right?
817
00:40:19,604 --> 00:40:20,438
It's not a thing.
818
00:40:20,471 --> 00:40:22,142
Well, they can't use
it in court anyway.
819
00:40:22,175 --> 00:40:24,547
And don't forget about
the dozen phone calls
820
00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:26,150
from Pam to Betsy,
821
00:40:26,183 --> 00:40:30,458
but we don't have any records
from Pam's phone, so...
822
00:40:30,491 --> 00:40:32,228
Even without all of that,
823
00:40:32,262 --> 00:40:35,001
we can still prove
he got home too late.
824
00:40:35,034 --> 00:40:37,707
Got his alibi.
825
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:39,944
We got a SODDI.
826
00:40:48,027 --> 00:40:50,666
Hey, Russ. How you doing?
827
00:40:50,699 --> 00:40:52,235
Not great.
828
00:40:52,268 --> 00:40:54,741
I haven't heard from my girls.
829
00:40:54,774 --> 00:40:56,745
I mean, radio silence.
830
00:40:56,778 --> 00:40:59,517
It's not like Mariah.
831
00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:01,655
I just...
832
00:41:01,688 --> 00:41:03,892
I want to make things
better, I guess.
833
00:41:03,925 --> 00:41:05,996
Yeah, well, the trial's
right around the corner
834
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:09,036
and I'm going to make sure
they see the Pam of it. Okay.
835
00:41:09,069 --> 00:41:11,741
And you are gonna
get your girls back
836
00:41:11,775 --> 00:41:14,514
because we got one thing on
our side that they don't,
837
00:41:14,547 --> 00:41:18,689
and it's a luxury that I'm
used to working without.
838
00:41:18,722 --> 00:41:20,726
What's that?
839
00:41:20,759 --> 00:41:23,130
The truth.
840
00:41:23,164 --> 00:41:26,771
Narrator: Ah, truth.
A powerful thing.
841
00:41:29,577 --> 00:41:33,685
But can it prevail in a
tight-knit town like Troy?
842
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,999
Schwartz might want to keep
wife killers on the streets,
843
00:41:36,023 --> 00:41:37,593
but by the grace of God,
844
00:41:37,626 --> 00:41:40,799
I am putting this
one away. Whoo!
845
00:41:40,833 --> 00:41:42,068
Cheers to you!
846
00:41:53,057 --> 00:41:55,596
Yes. Yes!
847
00:41:55,629 --> 00:41:56,931
Whoo-hoo!
848
00:41:59,202 --> 00:42:03,612
Hey, let's get this
hero another shot!
849
00:42:05,649 --> 00:42:06,985
Um, sir?
850
00:42:07,018 --> 00:42:08,722
Another Shirley Temple, sir.
851
00:42:08,755 --> 00:42:10,626
Sir? Hello?
852
00:42:19,342 --> 00:42:21,815
Narrator: A tight-knit
town indeed.59974
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