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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,709 --> 00:00:10,242 Women really have the power here 2 00:00:10,344 --> 00:00:13,312 because we will not accept any form of sexual harassment 3 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:15,047 or inappropriate behavior here. 4 00:00:15,149 --> 00:00:18,017 Right. You like seeing women be powerful? 5 00:00:18,119 --> 00:00:20,085 Absolutely! Because then you know what they're doing is-- 6 00:00:20,187 --> 00:00:22,955 is something they really want to do. 7 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:25,391 ♪♪♪ 8 00:00:25,493 --> 00:00:29,261 disgusted was the last feeling that I had. 9 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:31,697 Disgusted. 10 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:34,600 I would feel extremely small and vulnerable 11 00:00:34,702 --> 00:00:36,435 and feel like I would have 12 00:00:36,537 --> 00:00:39,772 to do something that I wasn't comfortable doing. 13 00:00:39,874 --> 00:00:42,041 I felt like I was lost in this world 14 00:00:42,143 --> 00:00:43,642 that I would never get out of. 15 00:00:43,744 --> 00:00:47,413 I felt swappable, interchangeable. 16 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:48,680 It got a little weird. 17 00:00:48,783 --> 00:00:50,949 I felt like it was almost pimping. 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,886 You have a man that was living 19 00:00:53,988 --> 00:00:55,988 in a multimillion-dollar mansion, 20 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:59,191 having million-dollar parties. 21 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:02,728 But the girls that made him that success, 22 00:01:02,830 --> 00:01:04,496 we were disposable. 23 00:01:04,598 --> 00:01:06,765 That's how we felt. 24 00:01:06,867 --> 00:01:11,003 It wasn't just hefner's buddies, his friends, the big vips. 25 00:01:11,105 --> 00:01:13,405 It was hefner himself. 26 00:01:13,507 --> 00:01:16,008 I never heard him say on television, 27 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:20,813 "it's okay to do it when the girl hasn't said yes," 28 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:22,448 but he was doing it. 29 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:25,517 They were not giving full consent. 30 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:27,119 Typically, if someone is known 31 00:01:27,221 --> 00:01:29,888 for dating vulnerable populations, 32 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,124 we call that out for what it is, right? 33 00:01:32,226 --> 00:01:35,994 Looking back now, hef was a predator. 34 00:01:36,097 --> 00:01:39,598 He was a predator. 35 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,034 [motor revving] 36 00:01:42,136 --> 00:01:43,602 my name is hugh hefner. 37 00:01:43,704 --> 00:01:45,370 I'm editor-publisher of "playboy" magazine. 38 00:01:45,473 --> 00:01:49,608 When hugh hefner was just 27, he fashioned himself and playboy 39 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:51,877 as the face of sexual liberation. 40 00:01:51,979 --> 00:01:54,913 Playboy is one of the most famous brand names in the world. 41 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:56,715 I would like to be remembered as somebody 42 00:01:56,817 --> 00:01:58,951 who played some positive part 43 00:01:59,053 --> 00:02:01,453 in changing the social-sexual values of my time. 44 00:02:01,555 --> 00:02:05,791 I believe that hef pulled one over on the whole world. 45 00:02:05,893 --> 00:02:08,827 The fantasy of playboy that he created 46 00:02:08,929 --> 00:02:13,198 did not allow for the consent of the women. 47 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:14,967 When it came to hefner's buddies, 48 00:02:15,069 --> 00:02:17,102 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 49 00:02:17,204 --> 00:02:19,171 -What have you got for free? -[laughs] 50 00:02:19,273 --> 00:02:21,240 when you get someone that powerful, 51 00:02:21,342 --> 00:02:23,208 anything could happen. Anything. 52 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:24,710 The people who were really there-- 53 00:02:24,812 --> 00:02:26,278 they're the ones who know the real truth. 54 00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:28,847 I want to be a voice for the women 55 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:30,949 that suffered the most at his hands. 56 00:02:31,051 --> 00:02:35,287 ♪♪♪ 57 00:02:35,389 --> 00:02:38,323 ♪♪♪ 58 00:02:45,933 --> 00:02:51,303 I could have left that world thinking he was a great guy, 59 00:02:51,405 --> 00:02:53,272 being able to say to people, 60 00:02:53,374 --> 00:02:54,706 he was never inappropriate with me. 61 00:02:54,808 --> 00:02:57,776 He, you know, paid us well. 62 00:02:57,878 --> 00:03:03,615 Some doors that maybe I never would've stood before, opened, 63 00:03:03,717 --> 00:03:06,018 but I can't say that. 64 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,887 ♪♪♪ 65 00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:14,259 I decided to tell in detail about the hefner rape. 66 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:17,329 [voice breaking] I hate that word, 67 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:21,166 but there is no other way to describe it. 68 00:03:21,268 --> 00:03:23,769 Women who go through this 69 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:28,540 feel that they'll be "stigmatized" 70 00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:31,043 or thought of differently. 71 00:03:31,145 --> 00:03:34,046 It's why they don't talk about it. 72 00:03:34,148 --> 00:03:37,549 That's why they don't tell. Sometimes never. 73 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:41,220 It took me years. Years. 74 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:44,323 ♪♪♪ 75 00:03:44,425 --> 00:03:47,593 I was raised in alabama, 76 00:03:47,695 --> 00:03:52,231 just a very rural area on a farm. 77 00:03:52,333 --> 00:03:55,801 My parents were almost cult-like with their religion. 78 00:03:55,903 --> 00:03:58,036 The church of christ, 79 00:03:58,138 --> 00:04:03,075 anything to do with sex or your private parts 80 00:04:03,177 --> 00:04:05,978 was just completely, completely off the table. 81 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,048 We weren't allowed to wear shorts. 82 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:13,719 I remember I invited some people over to go swimming. 83 00:04:13,821 --> 00:04:17,122 I cut my pants off to the knees, 84 00:04:17,224 --> 00:04:19,858 and my mom came home, and I got-- 85 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,261 she beat the hell out of me, 86 00:04:22,363 --> 00:04:24,062 called me every name in the book, 87 00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:26,698 that, you know, I was a whore. 88 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,971 And, um, you know... Just...The sh--shame, shaming. 89 00:04:34,975 --> 00:04:36,508 When I was little, 90 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,578 I just remember my grandfather-- 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:45,284 he would take me into the woods, and... 92 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,286 Mm. 93 00:04:48,922 --> 00:04:52,391 And then he would--he would take his, um, his pants off, 94 00:04:52,493 --> 00:04:55,227 and, um, he would rape me, 95 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:58,630 and I remember when I was 8, 96 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:00,699 he said, "well, don't you ever tell your mother 97 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:03,835 because she will kill you if you tell her." 98 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,376 so when I left home at 15, I got a job. 99 00:05:11,478 --> 00:05:13,845 I was determined to get my little brother 100 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,615 out of that home and to come live with me. 101 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:19,985 I felt like he was in an abusive situation as well. 102 00:05:20,087 --> 00:05:22,888 I kept getting approached to do modeling jobs, 103 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:24,489 and I realized I can make, you know, 104 00:05:24,591 --> 00:05:26,258 some good money doing this. 105 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,861 It was weird to me to be valued for my beauty 106 00:05:29,963 --> 00:05:33,231 because I'd never felt pretty at all. 107 00:05:33,334 --> 00:05:36,501 One photographer that I met said, 108 00:05:36,603 --> 00:05:39,705 "would you please consider modeling 109 00:05:39,807 --> 00:05:41,940 for me to send in some pictures to 'playboy'?" 110 00:05:42,042 --> 00:05:45,677 and I did do bathing suit modeling, 111 00:05:45,779 --> 00:05:48,046 and they sent in some test shots to "playboy," 112 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:49,715 and "playboy" wrote back and said, 113 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:52,484 "oh, yeah, we--we would love to see more of this girl." 114 00:05:52,586 --> 00:05:59,424 I did believe that what I was doing was wrong, 115 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:00,859 but I thought, you know, god's gonna forgive me. 116 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:02,327 I need this opportunity, 117 00:06:02,429 --> 00:06:05,897 and I'll--I'll never be able to make this kind of money. 118 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:08,300 This is my "playboy" test shoot. 119 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:10,736 I was scared to death 120 00:06:10,838 --> 00:06:12,471 and was so thankful 121 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:14,239 I had so much hair to hide behind. 122 00:06:14,341 --> 00:06:18,343 I wasn't 18 when I started. 123 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:22,147 When the centerfold came out, I was 18 124 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:26,685 because they had to wait until I turned 18. 125 00:06:26,787 --> 00:06:28,653 "turn-ons--diamonds and furs, 126 00:06:28,756 --> 00:06:31,690 vintage champagne, faster horses, 127 00:06:31,792 --> 00:06:33,492 traveling and going home." 128 00:06:33,594 --> 00:06:37,195 I'll tell you, I was highly coached on this data sheet 129 00:06:37,297 --> 00:06:41,433 on sounding fast and racy and sexy. 130 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:42,868 [birds chirping] 131 00:06:42,970 --> 00:06:45,771 in 1983, I was staying at the playboy mansion. 132 00:06:45,873 --> 00:06:48,340 It was that time of the year 133 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:50,308 where somebody's gonna be chosen soon 134 00:06:50,411 --> 00:06:52,077 for playmate of the year. 135 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:56,648 It was all very intimidating and really new. 136 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:00,619 I felt safe in my room, and that's where I stayed. 137 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:04,055 With hef, he was telling me, 138 00:07:04,158 --> 00:07:06,425 "susie, I've heard that you're nervous 139 00:07:06,527 --> 00:07:08,093 and that you've been staying in your room, 140 00:07:08,195 --> 00:07:11,830 but I want you to know it's safe here, 141 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:15,367 and I want you to know that you can do anything you want. 142 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:17,736 If there's anything you want to experiment with, 143 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:20,238 then you just need to let us know 144 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:22,340 because we want you to be safe." 145 00:07:22,443 --> 00:07:26,478 that was kind, and I did. 146 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:30,715 I felt safe at that moment. 147 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:32,451 Me and another playmate of the month 148 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:35,587 were in a bedroom down the hall from hef's, 149 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:39,324 and of course we were talking about playmate of the year. 150 00:07:39,426 --> 00:07:43,028 And she's like, you know, "well, if you're so worried about it, 151 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:46,598 then why don't you just walk down the hall and talk to hef?" 152 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,435 she literally pushed me out the door of the bedroom 153 00:07:50,537 --> 00:07:53,305 and towards his bedroom down the hall. 154 00:07:53,407 --> 00:07:56,408 And then I knocked on the door, and he said, "who is it?" 155 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:58,477 and I said, "it's susie. Susie scott." 156 00:07:58,579 --> 00:08:01,413 and he said, "susie, come--come in." 157 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:05,283 and I'm like, oh, good. I'm not bothering him. 158 00:08:05,385 --> 00:08:06,751 He gave me a hug, 159 00:08:06,854 --> 00:08:09,321 and he said, "you look very stressed. What's wrong?" 160 00:08:09,423 --> 00:08:10,922 I said, "oh, I'm just... Got a lot of my mind, 161 00:08:11,024 --> 00:08:12,557 and I wanted to talk to you." 162 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:16,561 I had my speech all ready. I was gonna ask him, you know, 163 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:19,464 had he thought about playmate of the year, 164 00:08:19,566 --> 00:08:20,632 and to tell him, you know, 165 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:23,568 I would commit myself as a spokesman, 166 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:27,372 and I'm very good at it and well-read, 167 00:08:27,474 --> 00:08:30,675 even though I didn't finish even 10th grade. 168 00:08:30,777 --> 00:08:34,045 He goes, "well, let me just give you something to calm you down." 169 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:39,017 and he gave me a pill and a soda, and I just took it, 170 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:41,920 not thinking much about it. 171 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:45,824 You know, at first, it didn't dawn on me that it was a drug. 172 00:08:45,926 --> 00:08:47,759 You know, at first, you're thinking, 173 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:51,796 somebody's giving you a tylenol or an advil. 174 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:55,667 And then I thought, okay, what did I just take? 175 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:57,302 I didn't even ask. 176 00:09:00,774 --> 00:09:02,340 I don't remember laying down. 177 00:09:02,442 --> 00:09:06,811 I don't remember if I even said anything to him 178 00:09:06,914 --> 00:09:09,414 about playmate of the year. 179 00:09:09,516 --> 00:09:14,152 I woke up with him on top of me. 180 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:18,123 He was naked, and my, um, pants were off. 181 00:09:18,225 --> 00:09:21,059 My pajama bottoms were off. 182 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:25,730 I thought that I was having a nightmare 183 00:09:25,832 --> 00:09:29,935 because it didn't seem possible. 184 00:09:30,037 --> 00:09:34,005 I thought I was reliving the last time 185 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:39,144 that my grandfather had done this to me, and... 186 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:42,747 Ugh. [chuckles] 187 00:09:42,849 --> 00:09:47,852 this old man with his mouth gaping open was a real thing. 188 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:50,622 He was a real person. It was hefner. 189 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:54,192 He looked like satan. He looked like satan. 190 00:09:54,294 --> 00:09:56,828 He just looked so... 191 00:09:56,930 --> 00:10:01,132 Cr-- just a creep, just a creep. 192 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:04,102 He honestly had the same look 193 00:10:04,204 --> 00:10:06,438 that my grandfather had when he did it. 194 00:10:06,540 --> 00:10:08,607 I can't tell you. 195 00:10:08,709 --> 00:10:12,444 There must be like some common demon that gets in 196 00:10:12,546 --> 00:10:16,948 and looks the same because it was eerie. It was just eerie. 197 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:21,886 ♪♪♪ 198 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:24,556 maybe I was one of the few who he had not slept with, 199 00:10:24,658 --> 00:10:26,858 and maybe he didn't like that. 200 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,831 I pushed him off of me, and I think it made him mad. 201 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:34,733 When I went back to my bedroom, 202 00:10:34,835 --> 00:10:39,738 all I wanted to do was just lay back down, cry, think. 203 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,842 And I... 204 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:45,243 I just remember, 205 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:50,015 I've got to tell somebody. I've got to tell somebody. 206 00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:52,017 Know, 207 00:10:52,119 --> 00:10:53,418 wishing they could live your life, but... 208 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,586 I know. I know. 209 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:56,187 ...Wondering how the hell you do it. 210 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:57,889 Yeah. Well, part of it's being 211 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:00,058 very straightforward and honest about it. 212 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,826 See, I think one of the great curses 213 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:04,095 and--and one of the great immoralities in-- 214 00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:06,264 in, uh, in sexuality 215 00:11:06,366 --> 00:11:09,100 is the lying, the cheating, the hypocrisy. 216 00:11:09,202 --> 00:11:10,902 ♪♪♪ 217 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:13,004 when I came to "playboy," 218 00:11:13,106 --> 00:11:16,574 I thought that doing the centerfold 219 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:18,943 was kind of like getting my power back. 220 00:11:19,046 --> 00:11:25,617 I had it for a moment, but it was taken right back. 221 00:11:25,719 --> 00:11:28,486 This thing that happened with hef 222 00:11:28,588 --> 00:11:33,358 set me back a long way. 223 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:38,697 The next morning, I was so ashamed, 224 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:41,599 I wanted to just die. 225 00:11:41,702 --> 00:11:45,770 This whole thing-- it had to be a secret, 226 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,372 a secret that I had to, you know, 227 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:51,142 like, see all the time. 228 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:53,211 You know, I looked up at that hallway, 229 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:54,846 and you know, I'd think about it, 230 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:56,614 but then I'd have to put that smile on. 231 00:11:56,717 --> 00:11:59,517 And when I saw hef, you know, give him a hug. 232 00:11:59,619 --> 00:12:03,488 He never mentioned it. He--he--he... 233 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:09,260 The only explanation is that he was hiding it from me 234 00:12:09,362 --> 00:12:13,431 to make me doubt that it happened maybe, 235 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:17,502 to make me forget about it. 236 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:20,205 But you don't forget. 237 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:24,309 Never. 238 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,678 Never. 239 00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:28,847 I believe it was a quaalude 240 00:12:28,949 --> 00:12:34,152 because I've been told what it feels like to take a quaalude. 241 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:39,290 I just don't remember falling asleep. 242 00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:42,660 When I was there, hef would carry the quaaludes 243 00:12:42,763 --> 00:12:45,130 in a wadded-up kleenex in his pocket, 244 00:12:45,232 --> 00:12:48,333 and I saw him offer it to people all the time. 245 00:12:48,435 --> 00:12:51,536 See, look at how he's hovering over girls 246 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:53,004 and just kissing at will. 247 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,740 He touched all the girls. He would touch their breasts. 248 00:12:55,842 --> 00:12:58,409 He thinks that he owns everybody's breasts. 249 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,247 There was a night that hef told me 250 00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:06,417 we were going to go for a little walk. 251 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,789 He took me down the hall, and he got a key out, 252 00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:13,858 and he told me it was a skeleton key. 253 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,528 And I go, "what do you mean?" 254 00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:19,430 and he said, "well, you think I wouldn't have a key 255 00:13:19,533 --> 00:13:22,667 that would open every room in this house?" 256 00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:27,105 and that's the night I learned that he used it at will. 257 00:13:27,207 --> 00:13:32,577 He opened the door on a girl who was sleeping, 258 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,147 and he went inside 259 00:13:36,249 --> 00:13:38,416 and sat down at the bed with her. 260 00:13:38,518 --> 00:13:41,186 And...At that point, I'm just frozen. 261 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:43,888 I... I didn't know what to do. 262 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:48,793 And she kept saying no. 263 00:13:48,895 --> 00:13:51,863 I blocked it the minute she said no, 264 00:13:51,965 --> 00:13:54,933 and he continued and forced himself on her. 265 00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:56,968 I was standing there, and I was terrified, 266 00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:59,737 but I can't see it. 267 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,207 And...All these years, I mean, 268 00:14:02,309 --> 00:14:05,410 does she think I'm a monster because of it? 269 00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:08,947 I'm sorry. I didn't... 270 00:14:09,049 --> 00:14:13,518 I'm sorry I didn't do anything to stop it. 271 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:17,589 And he told me, uh, when we were heading back to the master, 272 00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:19,424 uh, he said to me... [sniffles] 273 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,060 "well, did they think that they were gonna 274 00:14:22,162 --> 00:14:24,128 come stay in my house and not sleep with me?" 275 00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:25,096 [sniffles] 276 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:28,399 whether they consented or not, 277 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:31,569 if he wanted something, he would take it. 278 00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:33,238 ♪♪♪ 279 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:37,242 he rifled through so many decades of young girls. 280 00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:40,178 Reporter: How many girlfriends have you had? 281 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,881 In total? I have no idea. I don't know. 282 00:14:42,983 --> 00:14:44,816 But you keep a record, as I understand. 283 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,085 Yes, but I've never counted up the numbers. Uh... 284 00:14:47,187 --> 00:14:49,387 -Hundreds? -Yes. 285 00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:50,822 Many more than hundreds, yes. 286 00:14:50,924 --> 00:14:52,123 Thousands? 287 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,325 Well, certainly over a thousand, I'm sure. 288 00:14:54,427 --> 00:14:55,994 Hef liked the girls young, 289 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:58,396 and he liked them from a broken family, 290 00:14:58,498 --> 00:14:59,831 or there wasn't a father involved 291 00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,799 because then he could impress them 292 00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:04,535 and, uh, control them more 293 00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:06,638 because they would be more likely 294 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:10,942 to want to please him or please his friends. 295 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,347 I wanted to tell somebody I trusted 296 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,616 and then have them tell me what to do. 297 00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:23,788 So I told marilyn, who was the editor--marilyn grabowski. 298 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:25,256 She said, "oh, that's all? 299 00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:28,159 Don't--don't let it bother you. 300 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:32,063 It's nothing. It's nothing. He won't even remember it." 301 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:33,631 [scoffs] 302 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:36,868 and I'm like... [chuckles] "but I will never forget it." 303 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:39,904 she goes, "just don't even think about it anymore. 304 00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:42,674 Just do what you know. Do your work. 305 00:15:42,776 --> 00:15:45,176 It's not a big deal." 306 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:49,781 [sighs] 307 00:15:49,883 --> 00:15:54,652 and then I never-- just never talked about it. 308 00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:59,958 I started getting very, very, very thin. 309 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:03,027 I think I probably got down to 90. 310 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:05,463 ♪♪♪ 311 00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:10,034 of course he sent mary to say, "hef is so worried about you. 312 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:14,038 And you know, we would really like to have you see a doctor. 313 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,107 And, uh, we just want you to know we care." 314 00:16:16,209 --> 00:16:19,210 mary o'connor was his instrument 315 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:22,613 for doing all the legal things properly. 316 00:16:22,716 --> 00:16:26,918 He had to pretend to care. 317 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:31,856 I was just completely depressed. 318 00:16:31,958 --> 00:16:34,692 I didn't feel of value. 319 00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:46,537 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems. 320 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,607 I think I was mostly bothered by the sadness. 321 00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:58,316 Hefner enjoyed taking these fresh girls and breaking them. 322 00:16:58,418 --> 00:17:00,685 Dorothy stratten--this is his playmate of the year. 323 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:02,887 She looks beautiful. 324 00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:07,025 Look how happy she is. She's on top of the world right there. 325 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:11,362 She was the ultimate playmate, dorothy was. 326 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:13,965 She had it all, all in one package. 327 00:17:14,067 --> 00:17:16,501 To look at her now in the footage, 328 00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:18,002 she was so sweet. 329 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:20,571 I mean, you could not help but love her. 330 00:17:20,673 --> 00:17:25,643 Dorothy stratten was the most perfect playmate 331 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:29,781 to ever enter the playboy world. 332 00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:34,318 She was... 333 00:17:34,421 --> 00:17:35,753 Magnificent. 334 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,022 ♪♪♪ 335 00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:40,324 then after all these years, 336 00:17:40,427 --> 00:17:42,860 what we have left of her 337 00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:47,965 are photos of what once was. 338 00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:52,603 Thousands of girls come through it, 339 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:54,038 through the mansion, through the magazine, 340 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:55,973 thousands of them, and they don't get murdered, 341 00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:59,544 but one did--dorothy stratten. 342 00:17:59,646 --> 00:18:03,714 There are many documentaries on dorothy's death. 343 00:18:03,817 --> 00:18:05,383 Reporter: Dorothy stratten, 20 years old 344 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:06,651 from vancouver, canada, 345 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:08,453 was on her way to becoming a celebrity. 346 00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:12,290 Brutally murdered by her deranged husband. 347 00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:15,560 "playboy" magazine's 1980 playmate of the year 348 00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:17,495 has been found shot to death, 349 00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,263 killed apparently by her estranged husband 350 00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:21,332 who then killed himself. 351 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:24,235 But that's not the whole story 352 00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:26,804 of dorothy's experience at playboy. 353 00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:28,272 ♪♪♪ 354 00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:30,775 with dorothy, I believe that 355 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:36,380 hefner certainly didn't act in a gentlemanly way. 356 00:18:37,183 --> 00:18:40,518 Growing up, you know, 357 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,588 very skinny and no shape and just... 358 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:47,458 [laughs] 359 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,427 -no shape? -No, I was just--I'm tall. 360 00:18:49,529 --> 00:18:51,362 You must have had a good year and a bad year then. 361 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,931 -It all happened in one year. -One year? 362 00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:57,368 And that's when I was found by "playboy." [laughs] 363 00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,071 dorothy stratten ascended 364 00:19:00,173 --> 00:19:04,142 hugh hefner's cult-like structure very rapidly. 365 00:19:04,244 --> 00:19:09,280 She went from a bunny working at century city 366 00:19:09,382 --> 00:19:13,618 to playmate of the month, then playmate of the year. 367 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:19,957 And then the next step was going to be a respected actress. 368 00:19:20,059 --> 00:19:23,027 The magazine layouts were an important stepping-stone, 369 00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:25,429 and soon she was a guest on "the tonight show." 370 00:19:25,532 --> 00:19:28,499 hefner--he particularly wanted her 371 00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,334 because he knew 372 00:19:30,436 --> 00:19:32,870 that she had the potential to be a big star. 373 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:34,672 I don't know of any other playmate 374 00:19:34,774 --> 00:19:38,042 that I've had the feeling would have been a big star 375 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:41,279 more than I thought dorothy would. 376 00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:43,548 She was in a situation similar to mine, really, 377 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:48,019 with a man that was controlling her. 378 00:19:48,121 --> 00:19:51,222 Paul snider was a low-life pimp. 379 00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:55,826 When she was 18, her boyfriend, paul snider, 380 00:19:55,929 --> 00:19:58,563 sent her pictures to hefner. 381 00:19:58,665 --> 00:20:02,767 I was working at the mansion 382 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:06,137 when the limousine brought her up. 383 00:20:06,239 --> 00:20:10,041 She said, "I've just come from canada. 384 00:20:10,143 --> 00:20:13,244 Can you tell me where mr. Hefner is?" 385 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:17,949 and that was the beginning of the end for her. 386 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,051 She was into the system. 387 00:20:20,153 --> 00:20:26,524 At the mansion, the process was, you first meet hefner, 388 00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,593 you have sex with him, 389 00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:32,296 and then he passes you around to his friends. 390 00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:36,867 You don't violate this order of sexual activity, 391 00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:41,472 but dorothy-- she broke the rules. 392 00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:45,142 When dorothy first came to the mansion, 393 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:48,679 hefner thought that she'd slept with patrick curtis. 394 00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:53,184 His name to fame was he was in "gone with the wind," 395 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:54,919 and that's how he parlayed himself 396 00:20:55,021 --> 00:20:58,189 with all the girls at the playmate mansion. 397 00:20:58,291 --> 00:21:01,225 Hefner was very angry. 398 00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:04,662 This is like a town in the old west 399 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:08,532 where every girl in town is the sheriff's girl, 400 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,134 and you're told, 401 00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,103 "you don't want to mess with the sheriff's girl." 402 00:21:12,205 --> 00:21:13,704 he wanted her for himself, 403 00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:16,307 could not understand why he couldn't get her. 404 00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:20,578 How did she pay for it? 405 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,247 With her being brutalized. 406 00:21:24,751 --> 00:21:28,019 Early on in her time at the mansion, 407 00:21:28,121 --> 00:21:32,857 I and another security guard were outside the grotto. 408 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:34,825 We heard her screaming. 409 00:21:34,927 --> 00:21:39,063 We peered around, and we witnessed it. 410 00:21:39,165 --> 00:21:42,800 There was a ledge around the grotto. 411 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:48,906 Hefner propped her up, and he started to rape her anally, 412 00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:50,808 and she was screaming. 413 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:52,410 ♪♪♪ 414 00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:56,347 after we witnessed it, the security guard told me-- 415 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:58,082 he whispered in my ear-- 416 00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:01,018 I should go back into the butler's pantry 417 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,454 and keep my mouth shut. 418 00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:06,691 And that's what I did. 419 00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:08,959 You had to follow the rules. 420 00:22:09,062 --> 00:22:14,098 You had to be discreet, be quiet, carry on. 421 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,335 Nobody was going to come forward 422 00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:21,072 because nobody wanted hefner to come after you. 423 00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:26,077 In the old days, it was like, well, who are you? 424 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,745 You're just after his money. 425 00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:30,081 That was always the thing. You're after his money. 426 00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:31,415 And they would side with, 427 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,150 you know, the most powerful person. 428 00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:35,619 There was an inequality there. 429 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:39,423 It's pretty sad for me just to relive this. 430 00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:42,393 And I'm sorry. 431 00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:49,433 So please feel free to cut and edit it out any sadness. 432 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:55,639 She confided in me the pain she was feeling inside. 433 00:22:55,742 --> 00:22:58,976 She was hollow. Her eyes were distant. 434 00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,612 She didn't engage with you anymore 435 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,214 in that personable way, 436 00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:06,917 the way she did when she first came from canada. 437 00:23:07,019 --> 00:23:09,820 Mr. Hefner wanted to stay in control. 438 00:23:09,922 --> 00:23:12,123 It's the old story. 439 00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:15,025 He started out as a very liberal, 440 00:23:15,128 --> 00:23:17,261 modern-thinking writer 441 00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:19,697 when he started putting the magazine together 442 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,566 in chicago on his kitchen table. 443 00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:27,638 And then by the time he got to hollywood, everything changed. 444 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:30,374 He became a typical rich guy 445 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:34,478 using his money to buy women, to control women. 446 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:40,351 Hefner thought that if he could abuse her over and over again 447 00:23:40,453 --> 00:23:43,020 against her wishes, 448 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:45,756 that he could get control of her. 449 00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:55,366 Dorothy stratten was devastated. 450 00:23:55,468 --> 00:23:57,668 She was psychically destroyed. 451 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,338 It was too much for her. 452 00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:03,441 Her body was breaking down. 453 00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,509 She--she couldn't-- she couldn't help herself. 454 00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:08,145 She wasn't sleeping. She wasn't--wasn't well. 455 00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:12,783 While she was waiting for her centerfold to come out, 456 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,085 paul schneider coerced her into marrying him 457 00:24:15,188 --> 00:24:16,854 because he wanted her money. 458 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,355 He wanted that fame. 459 00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:23,994 The marriage lasted less than a year, and they separated. 460 00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:26,230 Paul was clawing at her. 461 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:30,601 He was losing her. He knew it, so she needed a protector. 462 00:24:30,703 --> 00:24:32,703 She needed protection from everyone. 463 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:36,073 Dorothy met peter bogdanovich at the mansion, 464 00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:39,176 and like many men who met her, 465 00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:40,978 he fell in love at first sight. 466 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,750 Bagdanovich told me about hefner forcing himself on dorothy 467 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,620 in the jacuzzi part of the grotto, in the grotto. 468 00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:52,423 [sniffles] he told me that. He told me. 469 00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:55,826 Dorothy was naive in many ways, very innocent, 470 00:24:55,928 --> 00:25:00,297 believed what people said, believed the whole playboy hype. 471 00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:03,767 Found herself, when she got to hollywood, 472 00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:07,137 found herself maneuvered by hefner 473 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,642 into a sexual situation that, uh, she found very shocking, 474 00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:13,711 and, in fact, it traumatized her. 475 00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:17,281 There was nothing in the relationship with dorothy, 476 00:25:17,383 --> 00:25:22,286 with playboy or with me that I am less than proud of. 477 00:25:22,388 --> 00:25:24,355 There is a strong possibility that there's truth, 478 00:25:24,457 --> 00:25:28,325 in that allegation that 479 00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:31,228 dorothy stratten was raped by hef, 480 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:35,099 I don't have reason not to believe it anymore. 481 00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:40,838 If you had told me that before...My experience, 482 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,807 I would've said no, no, definitely not. 483 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,710 I think hef thought he deserved it. 484 00:25:46,812 --> 00:25:49,613 [sighs] 485 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:54,752 and I don't know what kind of mentality or psyche 486 00:25:54,854 --> 00:25:56,921 would cause a man to think that. 487 00:25:57,023 --> 00:26:02,192 But for some reason, I think he felt he deserved 488 00:26:02,295 --> 00:26:03,994 anything he felt he needed or wanted 489 00:26:04,096 --> 00:26:06,864 from anybody that was in his home. 490 00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:10,935 ♪♪♪ 491 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:13,871 see how happy? Look at that. 492 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,241 Now, if that happened to her, how could she be that happy? 493 00:26:17,343 --> 00:26:20,477 It was--it was all playacting. 494 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:22,913 It was all his movie 495 00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:25,649 and his script down to the day he died. 496 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:30,521 It was not long after that she was murdered. 497 00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:32,890 It was so devastating to all of us. 498 00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:37,094 They underestimated paul. 499 00:26:37,196 --> 00:26:40,497 Peter bogdanovich-- he wanted to date her. 500 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,299 He wanted to sleep with her. 501 00:26:42,401 --> 00:26:45,803 Paul snider became aware of it, 502 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:47,638 and he went crazy, 503 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:51,976 even trying to jam his car through the front gates. 504 00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:55,045 So it became this, uh, intense triangle, 505 00:26:55,147 --> 00:26:57,281 and it ended in disaster. 506 00:26:57,383 --> 00:26:59,883 According to police reports, 507 00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:03,787 snider blew off his wife's face with a 12-gauge shotgun 508 00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:06,957 before turning the powerful weapon on himself. 509 00:27:07,059 --> 00:27:09,226 Earlier in the evening, 510 00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,496 before the knowledge of dorothy's death, 511 00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:14,098 there was a new girl, 512 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,334 and hefner thought she was super cute 513 00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:20,104 and wanted me to get information on her. 514 00:27:20,206 --> 00:27:24,141 The day that dorothy was killed, the day she was murdered, 515 00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:27,544 when I finally had gone home, changed, and came back, 516 00:27:27,647 --> 00:27:29,947 one of the first things he asked me was, 517 00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:32,549 "did you get that new girl's number?" 518 00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:37,688 I remember thinking, wow, it was just so self-centered. 519 00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:41,592 It really was hef's world. 520 00:27:41,694 --> 00:27:46,597 Hugh hefner--he never wanted dorothy to have any power. 521 00:27:46,699 --> 00:27:49,333 He never wanted a woman to become so powerful 522 00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:51,402 that he couldn't control her. 523 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,203 And it was so wrong 524 00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:56,106 and so against what he espoused to everyone. 525 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,676 I mean, all about protecting women 526 00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:00,944 and non-exploitation, all that, 527 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:03,714 that was nothing but garbage. 528 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:07,751 We treat them, uh, as the record will rather clearly show, 529 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,687 in a rather first-rate way. 530 00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:12,756 ♪♪♪ 531 00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:17,761 he was so good at making you feel 532 00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:21,331 like you were the only thing in the world 533 00:28:21,434 --> 00:28:24,401 and the most beautiful thing in the world, 534 00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:27,137 until the next playmate came along, 535 00:28:27,239 --> 00:28:36,180 and he didn't care if you were broken, uh, anorexic, addicted. 536 00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,216 I heard about the dorothy stratten story. 537 00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:42,619 I never read peter bogdanovich's book when I was at the mansion, 538 00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:44,755 because at that time I still had 539 00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:46,523 my rose-colored glasses on about hef, 540 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,192 and you generally don't want to read things 541 00:28:48,294 --> 00:28:51,228 about somebody you care about that are negative. 542 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:53,964 But I decided to read the book right before my book came out, 543 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:56,900 and it really hit me. 544 00:28:57,002 --> 00:28:59,136 I always thought that dorothy was somebody 545 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:00,938 I'd never be able to relate to 546 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,608 because she was always presented as this goddess. 547 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:08,078 But when I read the book, 548 00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:13,717 I was really just creeped out by how similar everything was. 549 00:29:13,819 --> 00:29:15,786 Everything that happened back in her day 550 00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:19,490 was so...Mirrored what was going on in the early 2000s. 551 00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:23,994 This is a poem by dorothy stratten. 552 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:28,665 "it's here, everything, 553 00:29:28,768 --> 00:29:33,871 everything anyone ever dreamed of and more, but love is lost. 554 00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:37,274 The only sacrifice to live in this heaven, 555 00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:42,613 this disneyland where people are the games." 556 00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:44,581 that--that describes it. 557 00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:51,054 I--I've never heard it described more...Perfectly. 558 00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:56,493 [sighs] it makes me feel really bad. 559 00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:02,499 So many of those people aren't with us anymore 560 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,869 by their own choosing 561 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:08,739 because they felt like that, and they realized it. 562 00:30:08,841 --> 00:30:11,375 They found out that people are the games. 563 00:30:11,477 --> 00:30:22,186 And one man got people to want to play his games with us. 564 00:30:27,092 --> 00:30:32,696 Hugh hefner held himself out as this big lover, this bon vivant, 565 00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:36,133 you know, this person that-- that every man wanted to be. 566 00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:38,202 And here he was the lowest 567 00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:41,705 and the most vilest scum on earth. 568 00:30:41,807 --> 00:30:44,641 I think he hated women underneath it all. 569 00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:52,115 I've spoken to enough people, interviewed enough that-- 570 00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:55,385 that just seems to be the only conclusion I can come up to. 571 00:30:57,056 --> 00:31:00,324 People would ask me, "why did you keep going back? 572 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:04,094 Why did you keep going back?" 573 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:08,999 and I just-- I just think it was complete, 574 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:12,769 you want him not to have ruined your life 575 00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:15,639 by also taking your employment. 576 00:31:15,741 --> 00:31:20,510 And I also thought he probably had cameras 577 00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:22,179 in his room, you know? 578 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:27,084 It haunted me that he might have a video of me 579 00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:29,086 when he was on top of me. 580 00:31:29,188 --> 00:31:33,257 I pray that because I was unconscious, 581 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,594 he would not show it to anyone because it's illegal. 582 00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:41,231 My saving thought is that he had to have destroyed it 583 00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:45,702 because he's showing himself committing a crime. 584 00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:47,671 And he had tapes on everybody. 585 00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:51,541 Anybody that walked into that bedroom, disrobed, 586 00:31:51,644 --> 00:31:54,611 they have a tape on them. They had a tape on them. 587 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:58,148 They knew they were there, and it kept everybody in line. 588 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,150 They were fearful of it. What if--what if they got out? 589 00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:02,719 What if somebody saw them? 590 00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:07,357 I didn't get over what-- what happened in that bedroom. 591 00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:09,126 [sighs] 592 00:32:09,228 --> 00:32:14,798 I was disappointed in myself that I... 593 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:18,869 Put myself in the position that he could have had access to me. 594 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:24,007 I had tried so hard for so long to not be the stereotype. 595 00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:29,646 We all wanted to be the perfect girl, 596 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:32,783 not the messed up girl, you know? 597 00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:38,588 [chuckles] yeah, who walks around naked. 598 00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:40,157 [scoffs] 599 00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:45,028 but...I'm better than what happened to me. 600 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:47,631 I'm valued. I'm loved. 601 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:52,302 I'm very much expecting to go to heaven. 602 00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:59,609 And I very much think that I'm now safe in my home. 603 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,448 ♪♪♪ 604 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,650 10 years after I broke up with hef, 605 00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:09,286 I had managed to get married, 606 00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:11,321 and I was a mom, 607 00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:16,360 and my life looked pretty nice on visual. 608 00:33:16,462 --> 00:33:17,961 I really loved being a mom. 609 00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:21,198 [voice breaking] I loved being a mom. 610 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,433 ♪♪♪ 611 00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:26,903 for a long time, I spoke highly of playboy. 612 00:33:27,006 --> 00:33:30,107 I could not have told anybody the truth. 613 00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:33,977 Every easter we would come up for the easter egg hunt 614 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:35,746 'cause it was family-oriented. 615 00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:41,885 I had pushed everything so back so that my life could be normal. 616 00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,755 I realized that when it started getting dusk, 617 00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:47,391 it was like something inside me, a panic would start, 618 00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:50,894 and then I-I would want a glass of wine or something. 619 00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:53,063 I needed to buff out whatever was coming, 620 00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:57,734 and that's when thoughts would, like--like a rolodex of pictures 621 00:33:57,836 --> 00:33:59,836 just going... [makes whirring sound] 622 00:33:59,938 --> 00:34:02,539 and things I had never thought about for years, 623 00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:05,542 moments that I wish had never happened, 624 00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:07,244 I'd get a flash. 625 00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:11,515 ♪♪♪ 626 00:34:13,052 --> 00:34:15,819 and the only way to fix that would be have a glass of wine, 627 00:34:15,921 --> 00:34:19,056 have a glass of wine, and then I could numb it. 628 00:34:19,158 --> 00:34:20,991 I didn't have to think about it. 629 00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:25,896 And I feel bad for my part in it that I could actually 630 00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:29,866 ask girls to go upstairs and have some cocaine with me. 631 00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:33,770 And I was--I was reeling them in for him, 632 00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:36,840 and believe me, I... 633 00:34:36,942 --> 00:34:40,043 If I could take it back, I would take it all back. 634 00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,546 ♪♪♪ 635 00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:46,583 I had this demon after me. 636 00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:50,120 I realized that I have to take what happened to me 637 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:55,292 and make something good come out of it in the end. 638 00:34:57,963 --> 00:34:59,629 We can look at these. 639 00:34:59,731 --> 00:35:03,667 In 2011, miki and I started talking, 640 00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:06,703 and once our eyes were open, there was no turning back. 641 00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:10,607 You wrote me this--this incredible, touching letter. 642 00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:14,311 What was so important to you was about the sex tape. 643 00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:16,079 -Yes. -Right. 644 00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:19,316 I told miki, you know, I'm worried about these tapes 645 00:35:19,418 --> 00:35:21,418 and what--what's gonna happen to them. 646 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,886 He was in his 80s. 647 00:35:22,988 --> 00:35:25,021 I mean, he could kick the bucket at any time. 648 00:35:25,124 --> 00:35:26,456 That's correct. 649 00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,492 And then who would have that key 650 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:32,295 to open that panel and get to those tapes? 651 00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,998 -We were working against time. -Yeah. 652 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,735 We started a letter-writing campaign in 2011. 653 00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,971 She helped me write the letters. 654 00:35:41,073 --> 00:35:43,907 And I think miki and I were the first ones 655 00:35:44,009 --> 00:35:47,277 to just in his face, go after him about the tapes. 656 00:35:47,379 --> 00:35:49,079 We orchestrated this whole game plan 657 00:35:49,181 --> 00:35:51,481 of if a tape got out, 658 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:56,520 we would hold hef and/or playboy accountable. 659 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,790 [birds chirping] 660 00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:05,128 you deserved an answer, and by god, we got it. 661 00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:08,064 Miki and I were the first one to nail him on the--on the tapes. 662 00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:11,301 We started a letter-writing campaign. 663 00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:14,504 We caught one of hef's lawyers saying one thing 664 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,806 and hef saying another thing. 665 00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:18,708 That's when we had him. 666 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:21,044 We had him, and he had-- he was forced 667 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:24,181 to give us his last words on those tapes, 668 00:36:24,283 --> 00:36:27,250 and we know what happened to them. 669 00:36:27,352 --> 00:36:31,488 In the end, we got hugh hefner's last words. 670 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,423 Yeah. 671 00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:35,525 On what happened to the sex tapes. Didn't we? 672 00:36:35,627 --> 00:36:37,460 Yeah. 673 00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:39,729 We were told that it would be taken care of, 674 00:36:39,831 --> 00:36:42,332 that mary was in charge. 675 00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:45,835 And if anything happened to him, she knew what to do. 676 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,906 That she was going to destroy the tapes. 677 00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:51,808 I do have reason to believe 678 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:55,278 that one of the video department heads had a boat, 679 00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,547 and they put all of those video tapes, 680 00:36:57,649 --> 00:36:59,249 after they had been pulled from their cases, 681 00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:02,686 were then put in a barrel and taken to sea. 682 00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:04,254 That's what I was told was done with them, 683 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:07,991 and I-I had reason to believe that was true. 684 00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:11,595 Even then, I didn't believe that he would destroy all of them. 685 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:15,732 He just--his ego would not destroy all the tapes. 686 00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:18,702 No, no. 687 00:37:18,804 --> 00:37:21,905 Even after all our letters, there was no apology from him. 688 00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:23,673 You'd get a pat on the back. 689 00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:27,344 "don't worry. It'll all be okay." 690 00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:30,614 but no, he didn't apologize for anything. 691 00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:34,084 Hefner never wanted us to be friends, right? 692 00:37:34,186 --> 00:37:35,986 -Yeah. -And so then... 693 00:37:36,088 --> 00:37:37,254 Because you were crazy and dangerous. 694 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:38,655 -I was crazy and dangerous. -Yeah. 695 00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:39,823 And now you've become crazy and dangerous. [laughs] 696 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,024 now we're both crazy and dangerous. 697 00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:42,292 All right. 698 00:37:42,394 --> 00:37:47,097 Miki has been there for me through so many things 699 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,199 that I didn't have the support of my family, 700 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,435 I didn't have the encouragement. 701 00:37:52,537 --> 00:37:58,041 To find sondra after so many years in 2011, 702 00:37:58,143 --> 00:38:01,611 it was like striking gold, really. [laughs] 703 00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:03,613 all right. 704 00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:11,488 I didn't meet p.J. Until... I think it was 2016. 705 00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:14,090 She asked me to partner with her in this group 706 00:38:14,192 --> 00:38:18,328 that she started, the iconic women of playboy. 707 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:22,332 She supported sondra and I. She put herself out on a limb, 708 00:38:22,434 --> 00:38:24,567 and this is a woman who survived 709 00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:28,171 a brutal rape by bill cosby, hefner's best friend. 710 00:38:28,273 --> 00:38:30,240 So it's the bunny mother, 711 00:38:30,342 --> 00:38:32,375 the director of playboy promotions, 712 00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:34,311 and the girlfriend of hefner's. 713 00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:36,513 It's the first time ever 714 00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:39,649 that all of these worlds collided together. 715 00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:41,851 -Hello? -Hi, miki. It's p.J. 716 00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,987 Hi, p.J. 717 00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:48,325 In the end, we're just damn lucky we got out of there 718 00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:50,126 as normal as we could be... [laughs] 719 00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,729 because not one of us is normal. Not one of us. 720 00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:56,900 It may be too late to do much about us, 721 00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,369 but that shouldn't stop us. 722 00:38:59,471 --> 00:39:02,572 I'm sure with this documentary, 723 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,374 there's gonna be a lot of women 724 00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:06,109 that have come out of the woodwork with stories 725 00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:09,512 that we haven't heard about yet. 726 00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:14,351 I hope that by coming out with this that maybe other girls 727 00:39:14,453 --> 00:39:16,619 can say, finally, you know, 728 00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:18,888 they acknowledge that there was wrong 729 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,523 and maybe they can let go of that nightmare. 730 00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:23,226 I think women are getting a bit smarter. 731 00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:26,463 I think they'll smell the rat. 732 00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:30,233 Now is the time. We've got me too and time's up. 733 00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:31,501 For god's sakes, 734 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:33,770 it's time for the playboy women to come forward. 735 00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:38,108 It's amazing that nobody ever talked 736 00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:39,876 among their selves about it. 737 00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,679 I think hef just knew we wouldn't 738 00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:46,483 because we sort of were suspicious of each other, 739 00:39:46,585 --> 00:39:48,451 but it's gotta be told. 740 00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:52,622 I can't really explain to you 741 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:54,758 how strong the feeling was in me 742 00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:56,359 that I needed to get my story out, 743 00:39:56,461 --> 00:40:00,063 so I wouldn't feel bound to be living this lie 744 00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,699 where I constantly have to apologize for him 745 00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:05,235 or say he's great or say things were great 746 00:40:05,337 --> 00:40:06,536 when I was there, when they weren't. 747 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:10,607 I don't have a problem with speaking the truth. 748 00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,810 If people can't handle the truth, I don't know what to say. 749 00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:17,881 Coming forward, I think will be a cleansing for me. 750 00:40:17,983 --> 00:40:20,450 It's very difficult to think of all my skeletons 751 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:23,520 in everybody's living room right now. 752 00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:26,256 Nobody wants to reveal their secrets, 753 00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,391 but I wanted to make a difference. 754 00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:30,593 It's got to make a difference. 755 00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:34,330 I'm hurt. 756 00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:36,766 And I can't be alone in this pain. 757 00:40:36,868 --> 00:40:38,234 I know I'm not. 758 00:40:38,336 --> 00:40:41,738 There are too many of us, and I want to write some of it. 759 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,442 I want it to go away, and eventually, maybe it will. 760 00:40:45,544 --> 00:40:48,244 If enough women tell me that it helped, 761 00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:49,979 maybe it will go away. 762 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,116 ♪♪♪ 763 00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:56,619 every man in the world would say, "I want to be hugh hefner." 764 00:40:56,721 --> 00:41:00,223 they thought he had the good life. 765 00:41:00,325 --> 00:41:08,097 Hefner was a sexual predator that didn't care who he damaged. 766 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,802 It was all about his power and his prestige. 767 00:41:12,904 --> 00:41:16,339 We pulled the curtain back, wizard. 768 00:41:16,441 --> 00:41:19,943 We know who you are. We know who you were. 59564

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