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Women really have the power here
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because we will not accept
any form of sexual harassment
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or inappropriate behavior here.
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Right. You like seeing women
be powerful?
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Absolutely! Because then
you know what they're doing is--
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is something they really
want to do.
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♪♪♪
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disgusted was
the last feeling that I had.
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Disgusted.
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I would feel extremely small
and vulnerable
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and feel like I would have
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to do something
that I wasn't comfortable doing.
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I felt like I was lost
in this world
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that I would never get out of.
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I felt swappable,
interchangeable.
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It got a little weird.
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I felt like
it was almost pimping.
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You have a man that was living
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in a multimillion-dollar
mansion,
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having million-dollar parties.
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But the girls that made him
that success,
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we were disposable.
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That's how we felt.
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It wasn't just hefner's buddies,
his friends, the big vips.
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It was hefner himself.
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I never heard him
say on television,
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"it's okay to do it
when the girl hasn't said yes,"
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but he was doing it.
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They were not giving
full consent.
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Typically, if someone is known
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for dating
vulnerable populations,
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we call that out
for what it is, right?
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Looking back now,
hef was a predator.
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He was a predator.
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[motor revving]
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my name is hugh hefner.
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I'm editor-publisher
of "playboy" magazine.
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When hugh hefner was just 27,
he fashioned himself and playboy
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as the face
of sexual liberation.
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Playboy is one of the most
famous brand names in the world.
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I would like to be remembered
as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social-sexual
values of my time.
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I believe that hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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The fantasy of playboy
that he created
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did not allow for the consent
of the women.
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When it came
to hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep
those secrets quiet.
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-What have you got for free?
-[laughs]
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when you get someone
that powerful,
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anything could happen.
Anything.
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The people
who were really there--
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they're the ones who know
the real truth.
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I want to be a voice
for the women
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that suffered the most
at his hands.
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♪♪♪
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♪♪♪
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I could have left that world
thinking he was a great guy,
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being able to say to people,
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he was never inappropriate
with me.
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He, you know, paid us well.
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Some doors that maybe I never
would've stood before, opened,
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but I can't say that.
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♪♪♪
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I decided to tell in detail
about the hefner rape.
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[voice breaking]
I hate that word,
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but there is no other way
to describe it.
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Women who go through this
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feel that
they'll be "stigmatized"
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or thought of differently.
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It's why they don't talk
about it.
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That's why they don't tell.
Sometimes never.
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It took me years. Years.
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♪♪♪
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I was raised in alabama,
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just a very rural area
on a farm.
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My parents were almost
cult-like with their religion.
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The church of christ,
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anything to do with sex
or your private parts
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was just completely,
completely off the table.
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We weren't allowed
to wear shorts.
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I remember I invited some
people over to go swimming.
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I cut my pants off
to the knees,
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and my mom came home,
and I got--
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she beat the hell out of me,
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called me every name
in the book,
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that, you know, I was a whore.
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And, um, you know...
Just...The sh--shame, shaming.
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When I was little,
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I just remember
my grandfather--
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he would take me into the woods,
and...
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Mm.
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And then he would--he would
take his, um, his pants off,
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and, um, he would rape me,
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and I remember when I was 8,
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he said, "well, don't you ever
tell your mother
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because she will kill you
if you tell her."
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so when I left home at 15,
I got a job.
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I was determined to get
my little brother
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out of that home
and to come live with me.
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I felt like he was
in an abusive situation as well.
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I kept getting approached
to do modeling jobs,
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and I realized I can make,
you know,
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some good money doing this.
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It was weird to me
to be valued for my beauty
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because I'd never felt pretty
at all.
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One photographer
that I met said,
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"would you please
consider modeling
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for me to send in some pictures
to 'playboy'?"
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and I did do
bathing suit modeling,
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and they sent in
some test shots to "playboy,"
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and "playboy" wrote back
and said,
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"oh, yeah, we--we would love
to see more of this girl."
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I did believe that what
I was doing was wrong,
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but I thought, you know,
god's gonna forgive me.
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I need this opportunity,
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and I'll--I'll never be able
to make this kind of money.
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This is my "playboy" test shoot.
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I was scared to death
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and was so thankful
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I had so much hair
to hide behind.
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I wasn't 18 when I started.
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When the centerfold came out,
I was 18
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because they had to wait
until I turned 18.
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"turn-ons--diamonds and furs,
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vintage champagne,
faster horses,
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traveling and going home."
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I'll tell you, I was highly
coached on this data sheet
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on sounding
fast and racy and sexy.
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[birds chirping]
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in 1983, I was staying
at the playboy mansion.
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It was that time of the year
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where somebody's gonna
be chosen soon
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for playmate of the year.
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It was all very intimidating
and really new.
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I felt safe in my room,
and that's where I stayed.
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With hef, he was telling me,
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"susie, I've heard
that you're nervous
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and that you've been
staying in your room,
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but I want you to know
it's safe here,
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and I want you to know that
you can do anything you want.
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If there's anything
you want to experiment with,
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then you just need
to let us know
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because we want you
to be safe."
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that was kind, and I did.
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I felt safe at that moment.
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Me and another
playmate of the month
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were in a bedroom
down the hall from hef's,
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and of course we were talking
about playmate of the year.
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And she's like, you know, "well,
if you're so worried about it,
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then why don't you just walk
down the hall and talk to hef?"
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she literally pushed me
out the door of the bedroom
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and towards his bedroom
down the hall.
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And then I knocked on the door,
and he said, "who is it?"
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and I said, "it's susie.
Susie scott."
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and he said,
"susie, come--come in."
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and I'm like, oh, good.
I'm not bothering him.
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He gave me a hug,
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and he said, "you look
very stressed. What's wrong?"
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I said, "oh, I'm just...
Got a lot of my mind,
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and I wanted to talk to you."
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I had my speech all ready. I was
gonna ask him, you know,
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had he thought
about playmate of the year,
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and to tell him, you know,
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I would commit myself
as a spokesman,
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and I'm very good at it
and well-read,
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even though I didn't finish
even 10th grade.
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He goes, "well, let me just give
you something to calm you down."
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and he gave me a pill
and a soda, and I just took it,
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not thinking much about it.
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You know, at first, it didn't
dawn on me that it was a drug.
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You know, at first,
you're thinking,
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somebody's giving you
a tylenol or an advil.
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And then I thought, okay,
what did I just take?
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I didn't even ask.
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I don't remember laying down.
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I don't remember if I even
said anything to him
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about playmate of the year.
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I woke up with him on top of me.
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He was naked,
and my, um, pants were off.
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My pajama bottoms were off.
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I thought that
I was having a nightmare
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because it didn't seem possible.
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I thought I was reliving
the last time
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that my grandfather had done
this to me, and...
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Ugh. [chuckles]
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this old man with his mouth
gaping open was a real thing.
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He was a real person.
It was hefner.
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He looked like satan.
He looked like satan.
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He just looked so...
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Cr--
just a creep, just a creep.
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He honestly had the same look
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that my grandfather had
when he did it.
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I can't tell you.
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There must be like
some common demon that gets in
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and looks the same because
it was eerie. It was just eerie.
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♪♪♪
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maybe I was one of the few
who he had not slept with,
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and maybe he didn't like that.
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I pushed him off of me,
and I think it made him mad.
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When I went back to my bedroom,
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all I wanted to do was just
lay back down, cry, think.
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And I...
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I just remember,
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I've got to tell somebody.
I've got to tell somebody.
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Know,
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wishing they could live
your life, but...
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I know. I know.
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...Wondering how the hell
you do it.
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Yeah. Well, part of it's being
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very straightforward
and honest about it.
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See, I think one
of the great curses
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and--and one of the great
immoralities in--
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in, uh, in sexuality
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is the lying, the cheating,
the hypocrisy.
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♪♪♪
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when I came to "playboy,"
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I thought that doing
the centerfold
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was kind of like getting
my power back.
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I had it for a moment,
but it was taken right back.
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This thing
that happened with hef
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set me back a long way.
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The next morning,
I was so ashamed,
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I wanted to just die.
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This whole thing--
it had to be a secret,
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a secret that I had to,
you know,
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like, see all the time.
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You know,
I looked up at that hallway,
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and you know,
I'd think about it,
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but then I'd have to put
that smile on.
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And when I saw hef, you know,
give him a hug.
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He never mentioned it.
He--he--he...
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The only explanation is that
he was hiding it from me
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to make me doubt
that it happened maybe,
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to make me forget about it.
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But you don't forget.
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Never.
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Never.
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I believe it was a quaalude
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because I've been told what it
feels like to take a quaalude.
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I just don't remember
falling asleep.
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When I was there,
hef would carry the quaaludes
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in a wadded-up kleenex
in his pocket,
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and I saw him offer it
to people all the time.
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See, look at how
he's hovering over girls
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and just kissing at will.
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He touched all the girls.
He would touch their breasts.
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He thinks that he owns
everybody's breasts.
249
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There was a night
that hef told me
250
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we were going to go
for a little walk.
251
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He took me down the hall,
and he got a key out,
252
00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:13,858
and he told me
it was a skeleton key.
253
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,528
And I go, "what do you mean?"
254
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:19,430
and he said, "well,
you think I wouldn't have a key
255
00:13:19,533 --> 00:13:22,667
that would open every room
in this house?"
256
00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:27,105
and that's the night I learned
that he used it at will.
257
00:13:27,207 --> 00:13:32,577
He opened the door
on a girl who was sleeping,
258
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and he went inside
259
00:13:36,249 --> 00:13:38,416
and sat down
at the bed with her.
260
00:13:38,518 --> 00:13:41,186
And...At that point,
I'm just frozen.
261
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I...
I didn't know what to do.
262
00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:48,793
And she kept saying no.
263
00:13:48,895 --> 00:13:51,863
I blocked it
the minute she said no,
264
00:13:51,965 --> 00:13:54,933
and he continued
and forced himself on her.
265
00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:56,968
I was standing there,
and I was terrified,
266
00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:59,737
but I can't see it.
267
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,207
And...All these years, I mean,
268
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does she think I'm a monster
because of it?
269
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:08,947
I'm sorry. I didn't...
270
00:14:09,049 --> 00:14:13,518
I'm sorry I didn't do
anything to stop it.
271
00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:17,589
And he told me, uh, when we were
heading back to the master,
272
00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:19,424
uh, he said to me...
[sniffles]
273
00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,060
"well, did they think
that they were gonna
274
00:14:22,162 --> 00:14:24,128
come stay in my house
and not sleep with me?"
275
00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:25,096
[sniffles]
276
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whether they consented or not,
277
00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:31,569
if he wanted something,
he would take it.
278
00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:33,238
♪♪♪
279
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he rifled through so many
decades of young girls.
280
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Reporter: How many girlfriends
have you had?
281
00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,881
In total?
I have no idea. I don't know.
282
00:14:42,983 --> 00:14:44,816
But you keep a record,
as I understand.
283
00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,085
Yes, but I've never
counted up the numbers. Uh...
284
00:14:47,187 --> 00:14:49,387
-Hundreds?
-Yes.
285
00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:50,822
Many more than hundreds, yes.
286
00:14:50,924 --> 00:14:52,123
Thousands?
287
00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,325
Well, certainly over a thousand,
I'm sure.
288
00:14:54,427 --> 00:14:55,994
Hef liked the girls young,
289
00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:58,396
and he liked them
from a broken family,
290
00:14:58,498 --> 00:14:59,831
or there wasn't
a father involved
291
00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,799
because then
he could impress them
292
00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:04,535
and, uh, control them more
293
00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:06,638
because they would be
more likely
294
00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:10,942
to want to please him
or please his friends.
295
00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,347
I wanted to tell somebody
I trusted
296
00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,616
and then have them
tell me what to do.
297
00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:23,788
So I told marilyn, who was
the editor--marilyn grabowski.
298
00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:25,256
She said, "oh, that's all?
299
00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:28,159
Don't--don't let it bother you.
300
00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:32,063
It's nothing. It's nothing.
He won't even remember it."
301
00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:33,631
[scoffs]
302
00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:36,868
and I'm like... [chuckles]
"but I will never forget it."
303
00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:39,904
she goes, "just don't even
think about it anymore.
304
00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:42,674
Just do what you know.
Do your work.
305
00:15:42,776 --> 00:15:45,176
It's not a big deal."
306
00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:49,781
[sighs]
307
00:15:49,883 --> 00:15:54,652
and then I never--
just never talked about it.
308
00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:59,958
I started getting
very, very, very thin.
309
00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:03,027
I think I probably
got down to 90.
310
00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:05,463
♪♪♪
311
00:16:05,565 --> 00:16:10,034
of course he sent mary to say,
"hef is so worried about you.
312
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:14,038
And you know, we would really
like to have you see a doctor.
313
00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:16,107
And, uh, we just want you
to know we care."
314
00:16:16,209 --> 00:16:19,210
mary o'connor was his instrument
315
00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:22,613
for doing
all the legal things properly.
316
00:16:22,716 --> 00:16:26,918
He had to pretend to care.
317
00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:31,856
I was just completely depressed.
318
00:16:31,958 --> 00:16:34,692
I didn't feel of value.
319
00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:46,537
Many of the girls wanted
to tell you their problems.
320
00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,607
I think I was mostly bothered
by the sadness.
321
00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:58,316
Hefner enjoyed taking these
fresh girls and breaking them.
322
00:16:58,418 --> 00:17:00,685
Dorothy stratten--this is
his playmate of the year.
323
00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:02,887
She looks beautiful.
324
00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:07,025
Look how happy she is. She's on
top of the world right there.
325
00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:11,362
She was the ultimate playmate,
dorothy was.
326
00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:13,965
She had it all,
all in one package.
327
00:17:14,067 --> 00:17:16,501
To look at her now
in the footage,
328
00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:18,002
she was so sweet.
329
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:20,571
I mean, you could not help
but love her.
330
00:17:20,673 --> 00:17:25,643
Dorothy stratten was
the most perfect playmate
331
00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:29,781
to ever enter
the playboy world.
332
00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:34,318
She was...
333
00:17:34,421 --> 00:17:35,753
Magnificent.
334
00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,022
♪♪♪
335
00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:40,324
then after all these years,
336
00:17:40,427 --> 00:17:42,860
what we have left of her
337
00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:47,965
are photos of what once was.
338
00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:52,603
Thousands of girls
come through it,
339
00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:54,038
through the mansion,
through the magazine,
340
00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:55,973
thousands of them,
and they don't get murdered,
341
00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:59,544
but one did--dorothy stratten.
342
00:17:59,646 --> 00:18:03,714
There are many documentaries
on dorothy's death.
343
00:18:03,817 --> 00:18:05,383
Reporter:
Dorothy stratten, 20 years old
344
00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:06,651
from vancouver, canada,
345
00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:08,453
was on her way
to becoming a celebrity.
346
00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:12,290
Brutally murdered
by her deranged husband.
347
00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:15,560
"playboy" magazine's
1980 playmate of the year
348
00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:17,495
has been found shot to death,
349
00:18:17,597 --> 00:18:19,263
killed apparently
by her estranged husband
350
00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:21,332
who then killed himself.
351
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:24,235
But that's not the whole story
352
00:18:24,337 --> 00:18:26,804
of dorothy's experience
at playboy.
353
00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:28,272
♪♪♪
354
00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:30,775
with dorothy, I believe that
355
00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:36,380
hefner certainly didn't act
in a gentlemanly way.
356
00:18:37,183 --> 00:18:40,518
Growing up, you know,
357
00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,588
very skinny and no shape
and just...
358
00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:47,458
[laughs]
359
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,427
-no shape?
-No, I was just--I'm tall.
360
00:18:49,529 --> 00:18:51,362
You must have had a good year
and a bad year then.
361
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,931
-It all happened in one year.
-One year?
362
00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:57,368
And that's when I was found
by "playboy." [laughs]
363
00:18:57,470 --> 00:19:00,071
dorothy stratten ascended
364
00:19:00,173 --> 00:19:04,142
hugh hefner's cult-like
structure very rapidly.
365
00:19:04,244 --> 00:19:09,280
She went from a bunny
working at century city
366
00:19:09,382 --> 00:19:13,618
to playmate of the month,
then playmate of the year.
367
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:19,957
And then the next step was
going to be a respected actress.
368
00:19:20,059 --> 00:19:23,027
The magazine layouts were
an important stepping-stone,
369
00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:25,429
and soon she was a guest
on "the tonight show."
370
00:19:25,532 --> 00:19:28,499
hefner--he particularly
wanted her
371
00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:30,334
because he knew
372
00:19:30,436 --> 00:19:32,870
that she had the potential
to be a big star.
373
00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:34,672
I don't know
of any other playmate
374
00:19:34,774 --> 00:19:38,042
that I've had the feeling
would have been a big star
375
00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:41,279
more than I thought
dorothy would.
376
00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:43,548
She was in a situation
similar to mine, really,
377
00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:48,019
with a man
that was controlling her.
378
00:19:48,121 --> 00:19:51,222
Paul snider was a low-life pimp.
379
00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:55,826
When she was 18,
her boyfriend, paul snider,
380
00:19:55,929 --> 00:19:58,563
sent her pictures to hefner.
381
00:19:58,665 --> 00:20:02,767
I was working at the mansion
382
00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:06,137
when the limousine
brought her up.
383
00:20:06,239 --> 00:20:10,041
She said,
"I've just come from canada.
384
00:20:10,143 --> 00:20:13,244
Can you tell me
where mr. Hefner is?"
385
00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:17,949
and that was the beginning
of the end for her.
386
00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,051
She was into the system.
387
00:20:20,153 --> 00:20:26,524
At the mansion, the process was,
you first meet hefner,
388
00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,593
you have sex with him,
389
00:20:28,695 --> 00:20:32,296
and then he passes you around
to his friends.
390
00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:36,867
You don't violate
this order of sexual activity,
391
00:20:36,970 --> 00:20:41,472
but dorothy--
she broke the rules.
392
00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:45,142
When dorothy first came
to the mansion,
393
00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:48,679
hefner thought that she'd slept
with patrick curtis.
394
00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:53,184
His name to fame was he was
in "gone with the wind,"
395
00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:54,919
and that's how
he parlayed himself
396
00:20:55,021 --> 00:20:58,189
with all the girls
at the playmate mansion.
397
00:20:58,291 --> 00:21:01,225
Hefner was very angry.
398
00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:04,662
This is like a town
in the old west
399
00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:08,532
where every girl in town
is the sheriff's girl,
400
00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,134
and you're told,
401
00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,103
"you don't want to mess
with the sheriff's girl."
402
00:21:12,205 --> 00:21:13,704
he wanted her for himself,
403
00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:16,307
could not understand
why he couldn't get her.
404
00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:20,578
How did she pay for it?
405
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,247
With her being brutalized.
406
00:21:24,751 --> 00:21:28,019
Early on in her time
at the mansion,
407
00:21:28,121 --> 00:21:32,857
I and another security guard
were outside the grotto.
408
00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:34,825
We heard her screaming.
409
00:21:34,927 --> 00:21:39,063
We peered around,
and we witnessed it.
410
00:21:39,165 --> 00:21:42,800
There was a ledge
around the grotto.
411
00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:48,906
Hefner propped her up, and he
started to rape her anally,
412
00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:50,808
and she was screaming.
413
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:52,410
♪♪♪
414
00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:56,347
after we witnessed it,
the security guard told me--
415
00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:58,082
he whispered in my ear--
416
00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:01,018
I should go back
into the butler's pantry
417
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,454
and keep my mouth shut.
418
00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:06,691
And that's what I did.
419
00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:08,959
You had to follow the rules.
420
00:22:09,062 --> 00:22:14,098
You had to be discreet,
be quiet, carry on.
421
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,335
Nobody was going to come forward
422
00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:21,072
because nobody wanted hefner
to come after you.
423
00:22:21,174 --> 00:22:26,077
In the old days, it was like,
well, who are you?
424
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,745
You're just after his money.
425
00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:30,081
That was always the thing.
You're after his money.
426
00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:31,415
And they would side with,
427
00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,150
you know,
the most powerful person.
428
00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:35,619
There was an inequality there.
429
00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:39,423
It's pretty sad for me
just to relive this.
430
00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:42,393
And I'm sorry.
431
00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:49,433
So please feel free to cut
and edit it out any sadness.
432
00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:55,639
She confided in me the pain
she was feeling inside.
433
00:22:55,742 --> 00:22:58,976
She was hollow.
Her eyes were distant.
434
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,612
She didn't engage
with you anymore
435
00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,214
in that personable way,
436
00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:06,917
the way she did
when she first came from canada.
437
00:23:07,019 --> 00:23:09,820
Mr. Hefner wanted to stay
in control.
438
00:23:09,922 --> 00:23:12,123
It's the old story.
439
00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:15,025
He started out as
a very liberal,
440
00:23:15,128 --> 00:23:17,261
modern-thinking writer
441
00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:19,697
when he started
putting the magazine together
442
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,566
in chicago on his kitchen table.
443
00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:27,638
And then by the time he got to
hollywood, everything changed.
444
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:30,374
He became a typical rich guy
445
00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:34,478
using his money to buy women,
to control women.
446
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:40,351
Hefner thought that if he could
abuse her over and over again
447
00:23:40,453 --> 00:23:43,020
against her wishes,
448
00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:45,756
that he could get control
of her.
449
00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:55,366
Dorothy stratten was devastated.
450
00:23:55,468 --> 00:23:57,668
She was psychically destroyed.
451
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,338
It was too much for her.
452
00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:03,441
Her body was breaking down.
453
00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,509
She--she couldn't--
she couldn't help herself.
454
00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:08,145
She wasn't sleeping.
She wasn't--wasn't well.
455
00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:12,783
While she was waiting for
her centerfold to come out,
456
00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,085
paul schneider coerced her
into marrying him
457
00:24:15,188 --> 00:24:16,854
because he wanted her money.
458
00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,355
He wanted that fame.
459
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:23,994
The marriage lasted less than
a year, and they separated.
460
00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:26,230
Paul was clawing at her.
461
00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:30,601
He was losing her. He knew it,
so she needed a protector.
462
00:24:30,703 --> 00:24:32,703
She needed protection
from everyone.
463
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:36,073
Dorothy met peter bogdanovich
at the mansion,
464
00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:39,176
and like many men who met her,
465
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:40,978
he fell in love
at first sight.
466
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,750
Bagdanovich told me about hefner
forcing himself on dorothy
467
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,620
in the jacuzzi part
of the grotto, in the grotto.
468
00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:52,423
[sniffles] he told me that.
He told me.
469
00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:55,826
Dorothy was naive
in many ways, very innocent,
470
00:24:55,928 --> 00:25:00,297
believed what people said,
believed the whole playboy hype.
471
00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:03,767
Found herself,
when she got to hollywood,
472
00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:07,137
found herself maneuvered
by hefner
473
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,642
into a sexual situation that,
uh, she found very shocking,
474
00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:13,711
and, in fact,
it traumatized her.
475
00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:17,281
There was nothing in
the relationship with dorothy,
476
00:25:17,383 --> 00:25:22,286
with playboy or with me
that I am less than proud of.
477
00:25:22,388 --> 00:25:24,355
There is a strong possibility
that there's truth,
478
00:25:24,457 --> 00:25:28,325
in that allegation that
479
00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:31,228
dorothy stratten
was raped by hef,
480
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:35,099
I don't have reason
not to believe it anymore.
481
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:40,838
If you had told me that
before...My experience,
482
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,807
I would've said no,
no, definitely not.
483
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,710
I think hef
thought he deserved it.
484
00:25:46,812 --> 00:25:49,613
[sighs]
485
00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:54,752
and I don't know
what kind of mentality or psyche
486
00:25:54,854 --> 00:25:56,921
would cause a man to think that.
487
00:25:57,023 --> 00:26:02,192
But for some reason,
I think he felt he deserved
488
00:26:02,295 --> 00:26:03,994
anything he felt
he needed or wanted
489
00:26:04,096 --> 00:26:06,864
from anybody that was
in his home.
490
00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:10,935
♪♪♪
491
00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:13,871
see how happy? Look at that.
492
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,241
Now, if that happened to her,
how could she be that happy?
493
00:26:17,343 --> 00:26:20,477
It was--it was all playacting.
494
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:22,913
It was all his movie
495
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:25,649
and his script
down to the day he died.
496
00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:30,521
It was not long after
that she was murdered.
497
00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:32,890
It was so devastating
to all of us.
498
00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:37,094
They underestimated paul.
499
00:26:37,196 --> 00:26:40,497
Peter bogdanovich--
he wanted to date her.
500
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,299
He wanted to sleep with her.
501
00:26:42,401 --> 00:26:45,803
Paul snider became aware of it,
502
00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:47,638
and he went crazy,
503
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:51,976
even trying to jam his car
through the front gates.
504
00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:55,045
So it became
this, uh, intense triangle,
505
00:26:55,147 --> 00:26:57,281
and it ended in disaster.
506
00:26:57,383 --> 00:26:59,883
According to police reports,
507
00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:03,787
snider blew off his wife's face
with a 12-gauge shotgun
508
00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:06,957
before turning
the powerful weapon on himself.
509
00:27:07,059 --> 00:27:09,226
Earlier in the evening,
510
00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,496
before the knowledge
of dorothy's death,
511
00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:14,098
there was a new girl,
512
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,334
and hefner thought
she was super cute
513
00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:20,104
and wanted me
to get information on her.
514
00:27:20,206 --> 00:27:24,141
The day that dorothy was killed,
the day she was murdered,
515
00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:27,544
when I finally had gone home,
changed, and came back,
516
00:27:27,647 --> 00:27:29,947
one of the first things
he asked me was,
517
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:32,549
"did you get
that new girl's number?"
518
00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:37,688
I remember thinking, wow,
it was just so self-centered.
519
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:41,592
It really was hef's world.
520
00:27:41,694 --> 00:27:46,597
Hugh hefner--he never wanted
dorothy to have any power.
521
00:27:46,699 --> 00:27:49,333
He never wanted a woman
to become so powerful
522
00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:51,402
that he couldn't control her.
523
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,203
And it was so wrong
524
00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:56,106
and so against what
he espoused to everyone.
525
00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,676
I mean,
all about protecting women
526
00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:00,944
and non-exploitation,
all that,
527
00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:03,714
that was nothing but garbage.
528
00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:07,751
We treat them, uh, as the record
will rather clearly show,
529
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:09,687
in a rather first-rate way.
530
00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:12,756
♪♪♪
531
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:17,761
he was so good
at making you feel
532
00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:21,331
like you were the only thing
in the world
533
00:28:21,434 --> 00:28:24,401
and the most beautiful thing
in the world,
534
00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:27,137
until the next playmate
came along,
535
00:28:27,239 --> 00:28:36,180
and he didn't care if you were
broken, uh, anorexic, addicted.
536
00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,216
I heard about
the dorothy stratten story.
537
00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:42,619
I never read peter bogdanovich's
book when I was at the mansion,
538
00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:44,755
because at that time
I still had
539
00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:46,523
my rose-colored glasses on
about hef,
540
00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,192
and you generally
don't want to read things
541
00:28:48,294 --> 00:28:51,228
about somebody you care about
that are negative.
542
00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:53,964
But I decided to read the book
right before my book came out,
543
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:56,900
and it really hit me.
544
00:28:57,002 --> 00:28:59,136
I always thought
that dorothy was somebody
545
00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:00,938
I'd never be able to relate to
546
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,608
because she was always
presented as this goddess.
547
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:08,078
But when I read the book,
548
00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:13,717
I was really just creeped out
by how similar everything was.
549
00:29:13,819 --> 00:29:15,786
Everything that happened
back in her day
550
00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:19,490
was so...Mirrored what was
going on in the early 2000s.
551
00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:23,994
This is a poem
by dorothy stratten.
552
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:28,665
"it's here, everything,
553
00:29:28,768 --> 00:29:33,871
everything anyone ever dreamed
of and more, but love is lost.
554
00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:37,274
The only sacrifice
to live in this heaven,
555
00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:42,613
this disneyland
where people are the games."
556
00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:44,581
that--that describes it.
557
00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:51,054
I--I've never heard it described
more...Perfectly.
558
00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:56,493
[sighs]
it makes me feel really bad.
559
00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:02,499
So many of those people
aren't with us anymore
560
00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,869
by their own choosing
561
00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:08,739
because they felt like that,
and they realized it.
562
00:30:08,841 --> 00:30:11,375
They found out that people
are the games.
563
00:30:11,477 --> 00:30:22,186
And one man got people to want
to play his games with us.
564
00:30:27,092 --> 00:30:32,696
Hugh hefner held himself out as
this big lover, this bon vivant,
565
00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:36,133
you know, this person that--
that every man wanted to be.
566
00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:38,202
And here he was the lowest
567
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:41,705
and the most vilest scum
on earth.
568
00:30:41,807 --> 00:30:44,641
I think he hated women
underneath it all.
569
00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:52,115
I've spoken to enough people,
interviewed enough that--
570
00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:55,385
that just seems to be the only
conclusion I can come up to.
571
00:30:57,056 --> 00:31:00,324
People would ask me,
"why did you keep going back?
572
00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:04,094
Why did you keep going back?"
573
00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:08,999
and I just--
I just think it was complete,
574
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:12,769
you want him
not to have ruined your life
575
00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:15,639
by also taking your employment.
576
00:31:15,741 --> 00:31:20,510
And I also thought
he probably had cameras
577
00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:22,179
in his room, you know?
578
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:27,084
It haunted me that
he might have a video of me
579
00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:29,086
when he was on top of me.
580
00:31:29,188 --> 00:31:33,257
I pray that
because I was unconscious,
581
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,594
he would not show it
to anyone because it's illegal.
582
00:31:37,696 --> 00:31:41,231
My saving thought is that
he had to have destroyed it
583
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:45,702
because he's showing himself
committing a crime.
584
00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:47,671
And he had tapes on everybody.
585
00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:51,541
Anybody that walked
into that bedroom, disrobed,
586
00:31:51,644 --> 00:31:54,611
they have a tape on them.
They had a tape on them.
587
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:58,148
They knew they were there,
and it kept everybody in line.
588
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,150
They were fearful of it.
What if--what if they got out?
589
00:32:00,252 --> 00:32:02,719
What if somebody saw them?
590
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:07,357
I didn't get over what--
what happened in that bedroom.
591
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:09,126
[sighs]
592
00:32:09,228 --> 00:32:14,798
I was disappointed in myself
that I...
593
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:18,869
Put myself in the position that
he could have had access to me.
594
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:24,007
I had tried so hard for so long
to not be the stereotype.
595
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:29,646
We all wanted to be
the perfect girl,
596
00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:32,783
not the messed up girl,
you know?
597
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:38,588
[chuckles]
yeah, who walks around naked.
598
00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:40,157
[scoffs]
599
00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:45,028
but...I'm better than
what happened to me.
600
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:47,631
I'm valued. I'm loved.
601
00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:52,302
I'm very much expecting
to go to heaven.
602
00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:59,609
And I very much think
that I'm now safe in my home.
603
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,448
♪♪♪
604
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,650
10 years
after I broke up with hef,
605
00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:09,286
I had managed to get married,
606
00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:11,321
and I was a mom,
607
00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:16,360
and my life looked
pretty nice on visual.
608
00:33:16,462 --> 00:33:17,961
I really loved being a mom.
609
00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:21,198
[voice breaking]
I loved being a mom.
610
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,433
♪♪♪
611
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:26,903
for a long time,
I spoke highly of playboy.
612
00:33:27,006 --> 00:33:30,107
I could not have told anybody
the truth.
613
00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:33,977
Every easter we would come up
for the easter egg hunt
614
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:35,746
'cause it was family-oriented.
615
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:41,885
I had pushed everything so back
so that my life could be normal.
616
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,755
I realized that
when it started getting dusk,
617
00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:47,391
it was like something inside me,
a panic would start,
618
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:50,894
and then I-I would want
a glass of wine or something.
619
00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:53,063
I needed to buff out
whatever was coming,
620
00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:57,734
and that's when thoughts would,
like--like a rolodex of pictures
621
00:33:57,836 --> 00:33:59,836
just going...
[makes whirring sound]
622
00:33:59,938 --> 00:34:02,539
and things I had never
thought about for years,
623
00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:05,542
moments that I wish
had never happened,
624
00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:07,244
I'd get a flash.
625
00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:11,515
♪♪♪
626
00:34:13,052 --> 00:34:15,819
and the only way to fix that
would be have a glass of wine,
627
00:34:15,921 --> 00:34:19,056
have a glass of wine,
and then I could numb it.
628
00:34:19,158 --> 00:34:20,991
I didn't have to think about it.
629
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:25,896
And I feel bad for my part in it
that I could actually
630
00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:29,866
ask girls to go upstairs
and have some cocaine with me.
631
00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:33,770
And I was--I was reeling them in
for him,
632
00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:36,840
and believe me, I...
633
00:34:36,942 --> 00:34:40,043
If I could take it back,
I would take it all back.
634
00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,546
♪♪♪
635
00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:46,583
I had this demon after me.
636
00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:50,120
I realized that I have
to take what happened to me
637
00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:55,292
and make something good
come out of it in the end.
638
00:34:57,963 --> 00:34:59,629
We can look at these.
639
00:34:59,731 --> 00:35:03,667
In 2011,
miki and I started talking,
640
00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:06,703
and once our eyes were open,
there was no turning back.
641
00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:10,607
You wrote me this--this
incredible, touching letter.
642
00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:14,311
What was so important to you
was about the sex tape.
643
00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:16,079
-Yes.
-Right.
644
00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:19,316
I told miki, you know,
I'm worried about these tapes
645
00:35:19,418 --> 00:35:21,418
and what--what's gonna happen
to them.
646
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,886
He was in his 80s.
647
00:35:22,988 --> 00:35:25,021
I mean, he could kick
the bucket at any time.
648
00:35:25,124 --> 00:35:26,456
That's correct.
649
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,492
And then who would have
that key
650
00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:32,295
to open that panel
and get to those tapes?
651
00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,998
-We were working against time.
-Yeah.
652
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,735
We started a letter-writing
campaign in 2011.
653
00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,971
She helped me write the letters.
654
00:35:41,073 --> 00:35:43,907
And I think miki and I
were the first ones
655
00:35:44,009 --> 00:35:47,277
to just in his face,
go after him about the tapes.
656
00:35:47,379 --> 00:35:49,079
We orchestrated
this whole game plan
657
00:35:49,181 --> 00:35:51,481
of if a tape got out,
658
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:56,520
we would hold hef
and/or playboy accountable.
659
00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,790
[birds chirping]
660
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:05,128
you deserved an answer,
and by god, we got it.
661
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:08,064
Miki and I were the first one to
nail him on the--on the tapes.
662
00:36:08,167 --> 00:36:11,301
We started
a letter-writing campaign.
663
00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:14,504
We caught one of hef's lawyers
saying one thing
664
00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,806
and hef saying another thing.
665
00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:18,708
That's when we had him.
666
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:21,044
We had him, and he had--
he was forced
667
00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:24,181
to give us his last words
on those tapes,
668
00:36:24,283 --> 00:36:27,250
and we know what happened
to them.
669
00:36:27,352 --> 00:36:31,488
In the end, we got
hugh hefner's last words.
670
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,423
Yeah.
671
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:35,525
On what happened
to the sex tapes. Didn't we?
672
00:36:35,627 --> 00:36:37,460
Yeah.
673
00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:39,729
We were told that
it would be taken care of,
674
00:36:39,831 --> 00:36:42,332
that mary was in charge.
675
00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:45,835
And if anything happened
to him, she knew what to do.
676
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,906
That she was going
to destroy the tapes.
677
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:51,808
I do have reason to believe
678
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:55,278
that one of the video
department heads had a boat,
679
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,547
and they put
all of those video tapes,
680
00:36:57,649 --> 00:36:59,249
after they had been pulled
from their cases,
681
00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:02,686
were then put in a barrel
and taken to sea.
682
00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:04,254
That's what I was told
was done with them,
683
00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:07,991
and I-I had reason
to believe that was true.
684
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:11,595
Even then, I didn't believe that
he would destroy all of them.
685
00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:15,732
He just--his ego would not
destroy all the tapes.
686
00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:18,702
No, no.
687
00:37:18,804 --> 00:37:21,905
Even after all our letters,
there was no apology from him.
688
00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:23,673
You'd get a pat on the back.
689
00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:27,344
"don't worry.
It'll all be okay."
690
00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:30,614
but no, he didn't
apologize for anything.
691
00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:34,084
Hefner never wanted us
to be friends, right?
692
00:37:34,186 --> 00:37:35,986
-Yeah.
-And so then...
693
00:37:36,088 --> 00:37:37,254
Because you were crazy
and dangerous.
694
00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:38,655
-I was crazy and dangerous.
-Yeah.
695
00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:39,823
And now you've become crazy
and dangerous. [laughs]
696
00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,024
now we're both crazy
and dangerous.
697
00:37:41,126 --> 00:37:42,292
All right.
698
00:37:42,394 --> 00:37:47,097
Miki has been there for me
through so many things
699
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,199
that I didn't have
the support of my family,
700
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,435
I didn't have the encouragement.
701
00:37:52,537 --> 00:37:58,041
To find sondra
after so many years in 2011,
702
00:37:58,143 --> 00:38:01,611
it was like striking gold,
really. [laughs]
703
00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:03,613
all right.
704
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:11,488
I didn't meet p.J. Until...
I think it was 2016.
705
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:14,090
She asked me to partner
with her in this group
706
00:38:14,192 --> 00:38:18,328
that she started,
the iconic women of playboy.
707
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:22,332
She supported sondra and I.
She put herself out on a limb,
708
00:38:22,434 --> 00:38:24,567
and this is a woman who survived
709
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:28,171
a brutal rape by bill cosby,
hefner's best friend.
710
00:38:28,273 --> 00:38:30,240
So it's the bunny mother,
711
00:38:30,342 --> 00:38:32,375
the director
of playboy promotions,
712
00:38:32,477 --> 00:38:34,311
and the girlfriend of hefner's.
713
00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:36,513
It's the first time ever
714
00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:39,649
that all of these worlds
collided together.
715
00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:41,851
-Hello?
-Hi, miki. It's p.J.
716
00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,987
Hi, p.J.
717
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:48,325
In the end, we're just damn
lucky we got out of there
718
00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:50,126
as normal as we could be...
[laughs]
719
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,729
because not one of us
is normal. Not one of us.
720
00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:56,900
It may be too late
to do much about us,
721
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,369
but that shouldn't stop us.
722
00:38:59,471 --> 00:39:02,572
I'm sure with this documentary,
723
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:04,374
there's gonna be
a lot of women
724
00:39:04,476 --> 00:39:06,109
that have come out
of the woodwork with stories
725
00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:09,512
that we haven't heard about yet.
726
00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:14,351
I hope that by coming out
with this that maybe other girls
727
00:39:14,453 --> 00:39:16,619
can say, finally, you know,
728
00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:18,888
they acknowledge
that there was wrong
729
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,523
and maybe they can let go
of that nightmare.
730
00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:23,226
I think women are getting
a bit smarter.
731
00:39:23,328 --> 00:39:26,463
I think they'll smell the rat.
732
00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:30,233
Now is the time.
We've got me too and time's up.
733
00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:31,501
For god's sakes,
734
00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:33,770
it's time for the playboy women
to come forward.
735
00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:38,108
It's amazing
that nobody ever talked
736
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:39,876
among their selves about it.
737
00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,679
I think hef just knew
we wouldn't
738
00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:46,483
because we sort of
were suspicious of each other,
739
00:39:46,585 --> 00:39:48,451
but it's gotta be told.
740
00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:52,622
I can't really explain to you
741
00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:54,758
how strong the feeling was
in me
742
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:56,359
that I needed
to get my story out,
743
00:39:56,461 --> 00:40:00,063
so I wouldn't feel bound
to be living this lie
744
00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,699
where I constantly have to
apologize for him
745
00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:05,235
or say he's great
or say things were great
746
00:40:05,337 --> 00:40:06,536
when I was there,
when they weren't.
747
00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:10,607
I don't have a problem
with speaking the truth.
748
00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,810
If people can't handle the
truth, I don't know what to say.
749
00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:17,881
Coming forward, I think
will be a cleansing for me.
750
00:40:17,983 --> 00:40:20,450
It's very difficult to think
of all my skeletons
751
00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:23,520
in everybody's living room
right now.
752
00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:26,256
Nobody wants to reveal
their secrets,
753
00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,391
but I wanted to make
a difference.
754
00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:30,593
It's got to make a difference.
755
00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:34,330
I'm hurt.
756
00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:36,766
And I can't be alone
in this pain.
757
00:40:36,868 --> 00:40:38,234
I know I'm not.
758
00:40:38,336 --> 00:40:41,738
There are too many of us,
and I want to write some of it.
759
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,442
I want it to go away,
and eventually, maybe it will.
760
00:40:45,544 --> 00:40:48,244
If enough women
tell me that it helped,
761
00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:49,979
maybe it will go away.
762
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,116
♪♪♪
763
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:56,619
every man in the world would
say, "I want to be hugh hefner."
764
00:40:56,721 --> 00:41:00,223
they thought he had
the good life.
765
00:41:00,325 --> 00:41:08,097
Hefner was a sexual predator
that didn't care who he damaged.
766
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,802
It was all about his power
and his prestige.
767
00:41:12,904 --> 00:41:16,339
We pulled the curtain back,
wizard.
768
00:41:16,441 --> 00:41:19,943
We know who you are.
We know who you were.
59564
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