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[Indistinct chatter]
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Wow.
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So this is it.
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Tell me about what they
found on this boat.
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Man: This vessel came
here to Liberia
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with a long line
fishing license.
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What they were doing
was using gillnets
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that are prohibited by law
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because they're so
particularly destructive.
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The primary catch was shark.
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We refer to them
as the galician mafia
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because they're fishing
syndicates involved
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in other types of
criminal activity,
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which makes them
criminal syndicates
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that are involved in
this kind of business.
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[Indistinct chatter]
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Oh, that's fucking cold.
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Agh.
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Man: Watch your step.
It's very slippery.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah. Look here.
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Here, look there. Look.
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Holy shit.
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Look at all this.
It's all fin.
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[Panting]
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Roth, narrating: Growing up, I
was obsessed with scary movies.
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And the rush of horror films.
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I started making movies.
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And I said, "I want
to be a director.
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This is what
I want to do forever."
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Oh!
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This is all I want to do.
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[Chainsaw buzzing,
man screams]
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I want to be the one
pushing the button
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that shocks the audience.
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Aah!
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Roth, narrating: Growing up,
nothing scared me
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more than sharks.
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And that was all
because of one film--
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"jaws."
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Man on film:
A mindless eating machine.
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Roth, narrating:
I was terrified of sharks,
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but also fascinated by them.
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Hi, there.
It's me again. Eli roth.
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I'm at the house
of Gabriel asner,
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and I'm going
to interview him.
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Gabriel?
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What's your name?
Gabriel.
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Roth: The head
of discovery asked,
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"have you ever hosted
a talk show?"
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I'm like, "no,
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but I think I was born
to be a talk show host."
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He goes, "you'd be great
for 'shark after dark.'"
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[people screaming]
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I'm your host Eli roth,
welcome to "shark after dark,"
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our late night show
with shark week experts,
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interviews, clips,
and plenty of conversation.
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You lost your arm
and a leg to a
bull shark in 2009,
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and now you are
an advocate for
their conservation.
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Very few people actually
get eaten by a shark.
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They always come,
they take a bite,
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and then they take off
when they realize
that you're not food.
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Roth: The craziest thing
I learned
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was that without sharks,
the planet can die.
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Sharks are doctors of the sea.
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When they're not there,
diseases turn into epidemics.
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Man: They've been around
long before mammals
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or other fish or even
dinosaurs came on the scene.
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Oceans touch every one of us
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and the life of every one
of us in many ways.
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Every second breath we take
comes from the ocean
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because 50% of
the world's oxygen
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is produced by phytoplankton.
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So the ocean is still
a major part
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of our life support
system today.
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Sharks shape these ecosystems
over the evolutionary history.
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Sharks act much like
the police on land.
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Once in a while
they eat something,
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most of the time,
they scare everything.
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And they keep certain species
out of certain habitats
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where those species
could do damage.
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So the sharks are restoring
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some kind of balance
to the ecosystem
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when they're pressed.
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When sharks are taken away,
we see that balance change.
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And we see large negative
changes in the ecosystems
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that often cannot be
reversed easily.
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Roth: Discovery said
to me, "do you want to
go for a shark dive?
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"I bet we can do that.
We can film it
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and make it part
of 'shark after dark.'"
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and I was like,
"are you kidding me?
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My whole life I've
wanted to do that."
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I was nervous.
I was scared.
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But it's truly amazing
when you can face your fears,
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because you realize how much
of it is just in your head.
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Roth, narrating: For me,
this happened in the waters
of The Bahamas.
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I learned to stop
fearing sharks.
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I could not believe
how social they were.
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They were curious, shy,
intelligent animals.
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Some were friendlier
than others.
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It was one of the most
incredible experiences
of my life.
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Roth, narrating:
They were the most beautiful
animal I had ever seen.
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I couldn't imagine harming
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even one of these majestic,
intelligent creatures.
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Roth: So what do you
think is happening
to the planet?
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What's happening is
there's an insatiable demand
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for shark fin soup.
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And they're getting
walloped all over.
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And which is used for
shark fin soup,
an Asian delicacy.
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The conservative number
of sharks killed every year
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is 100 million sharks.
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For a long time in
estimating shark mortality,
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we've relied on official
figures from the food
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and agriculture organization
of the United Nations.
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Right now we know
about 25 species
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that are either endangered
or critically endangered
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which could go extinct
within the next decade or two.
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The special problem with
shark finning is
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everybody can do it.
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Small artisanal boats
off Baja, California
and Mexico can do it.
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Everybody is part of this.
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Roth: Sharks are
a difficult subject
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because of the perception that
sharks are these monsters
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that want to eat us.
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[Woman screaming]
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I want to help change
the conversation.
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I'm not a scientist.
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I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a marine biologist.
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But I am someone
who loves sharks,
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and I care about the ocean.
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And I want to understand
what's happening to it.
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Roth, narrating: I'm traveling
the world to find out.
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No matter how uncomfortable,
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dangerous, or upsetting
it gets...
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I have to expose the truth.
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[Speaking Spanish]
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Roth: Oh, shit.
He's right there.
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That's a mako?
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Ok?
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[Man speaking Spanish]
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[Speaking Spanish]
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Roth: Can we let it go?
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Is he gonna kill it?
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[Woman speaking Spanish]
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Can we pay for it?
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Can we pay for it
and let it live?
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[Gasps]
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[Thud]
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It's the worst thing
I've ever seen.
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[Flies buzzing]
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[Speaking Spanish]
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Roth: How many
sharks a year
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can a small fishing
community take out
of the water?
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500 sharks?
From 4 boats?
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Yeah.
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Roth: Are they aware
that they're depleting
the shark population?
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[Seagulls cry]
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You just pulled a baby out?
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Yeah.
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Oh, my god.
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[Speaking Spanish]
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Roth: You look at it and you
think, it's a fish, it's a fish.
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And then they slice
open the stomach
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and there's babies that are
probably 2 or 3 weeks away
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from coming out
in the world.
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That was a mother.
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That was a mother
feeding her kids.
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I don't care
what species it is.
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In one hook they
killed 9 sharks.
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May to August is
the breeding season,
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but here we are in
the middle of April,
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and they killed
a pregnant shark.
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How is the population
ever gonna survive?
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[Flies buzzing]
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Man: Sharks are biologically
different than fish.
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When fish reproduce,
what they do is they--
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the males will release millions
of sperm into water column
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and females will move
millions of eggs.
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They mix together
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and create millions of
little eggs and larvae.
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Sharks are different.
Males and females mate.
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Females have long
gestation times.
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Some sharks are pregnant
for over 3 years.
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And when they give birth to
either eggs or live young,
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it might take several years
again before they reproduce.
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Worm: Sharks are
a little bit like us.
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They mature late
in their life,
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between 10, 20, sometimes
30 years of age.
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They have few offspring
like us.
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And they're slow to recover
from any large mortality event
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because they never had to.
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When you're top predator,
you don't have to evolve
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the ability to withstand
extra mortality,
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much like people.
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Now people are
the top predators
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and sharks are the underdogs.
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Roth: You can't blame
the fishermen
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for trying to make a living.
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But this is happening
every day.
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We're killing them,
slaughtering them,
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ripping their fins off,
and for what?
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This is for soup
at a wedding.
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It's crazy.
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[Flies buzzing]
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Nowadays a good quality
fin would be like
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a smooth hammerhead
or a hammerhead,
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they pay like 700 pesos,
setecientos pesos.
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[Man speaking Spanish]Or a thousand pesos per kilo.
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How long do they
dry them out?
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For 10 days.
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Why is that?[Speaking Spanish]
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Because this has a fiber inside,
so it's a cartilage.
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People just eat
the cartilage?
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Yeah, in a shark fin soup.
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How much do they
know about it?
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So it's a Chinese
company in Tijuana?
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Do we know what
that company is?
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[Speaking Spanish]
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Domingo: I never take out
the fin topic in
the very beginning.
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Most of them are really
afraid to talk about it.
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Is that because they
know something's wrong?
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I think that they know
there is a big market for it
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and normally that market,
it's black.
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But in fact, what they are
doing, it's not illegal.
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It's the starting point
of a whole chain.
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Roth: This can't continue.
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There will be nothing left
in the ocean.
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There will be nothing left
for these people.
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I've heard about
Hong Kong my whole life.
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It's kind of sad that it took
sharks to get me here,
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but I'm glad I made it.
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[Ship horn blows]
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Man: Hey, Eli.
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How are you, mate?
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Good to see you.
All right.
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We're good to go.
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Let's do it, buddy.
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So this is ground zero
for the shark trade.
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Yep, this is where
more than 50%
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of the world's shark fin
passes through.
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Stokes, voice-over: Basically
you have over 83 countries
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that are shipping
shark fin into Hong Kong.
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We're talking like
17,000-plus tons
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a year coming through here.
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It comes into here,
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and then most of it goes across
the border into China.
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I first started off
really as an ocean lover.
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I, you know, grew up
in the mediterranean diving.
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Seeing the eradication
of our oceans
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got me on the road
to my activism.
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Further down the line,
joined sea Shepherd.
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Sea Shepherd is a marine
conservation organization
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set up in 1977
by captain Paul Watson.
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My main role with sea Shepherd
over here in Hong Kong
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has been exposing
and investigating
the shark fin trade.
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One of the biggest
misconceptions
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is that shark fin is illegal,
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and in reality,
it is actually legal.
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What we are actually trying to
do is find the illegality,
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trying to find these
endangered species
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that are actually
being smuggled in
with the other fins.
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That's when it becomes illegal.
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[Ship horn blows]
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Over here we've got the main
container port for Hong Kong.
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Ok.
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Being such a major port,
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we see tens of thousands
of containers
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coming through
every single week.
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But the thing to note is,
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there's no customs check,
per se.
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It's not like an airport where
you have to go through customs.
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Sadly, Hong Kong
can only inspect
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less than one percent
of containers.
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Most actually arriving,
nobody even checks them,
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nobody knows what's
inside them.
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The customs base their
inspections on priority.
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But when it comes listed
as dried seafood,
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it is not a priority.
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So you can stick
anything in a container,
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label it dried seafood,
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and the chances are of
it getting to Hong Kong
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without even being inspected.
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Look at how many
containers are on there,
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and how can customs in any
form actually manage that?
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We have one of the most
advanced container ports
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in the world here,
and it handles so much,
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but how can it physically
check every box?
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Roth: What percentage
of the sharks being
brought into Hong Kong
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would you say are illegal
endangered sharks?
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Surveys and research
that scientists
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have been doing by taking
samples around the markets,
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checking the DNA,
we're looking at around
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25% of the entire
market here is from
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endangered or cites
listed illegal sharks.
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Worm: Cites is the
convention on international
trade on endangered species,
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and it regulates the
international trade of species
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such as elephants
and rhinos and tigers
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and sharks more recently.
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So when a species is listed
under appendix one of cites,
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it cannot be traded
internationally.
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If it is listed
under appendix two,
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it can't be traded if
a country can demonstrate
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that the species is thriving
and doing well
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in their particular
jurisdiction.
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Right now, almost
a dozen species
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of sharks are
listed under cites
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or under consideration
for listing under cites,
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meaning they are
at that point where
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they're immediately
threatened with extinction
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and we have to curb
international trade
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with these species in
order to save them.
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But one of the problems
with cites is
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the species listed can
still be legally caught
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in any one country unless
other regulations exist.
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Finning is very low tech.
You just cut the fins off,
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you dry them in the sun,
and they keep for years.
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So it's really hard to assess
where they come from.
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Illegal fins are finding
their ways to traders
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that then bring them
over to east Asia.
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It's the dark trade
that we can't see,
we can't regulate,
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we don't have any data for.
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Why was Hong Kong
the number one spot
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in the world for shark fins?
325
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Hundreds of years ago,
the shark fin
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was the dish
of the emperor.
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It was served at
the emperor's banquet.
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Around the sixties,
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it suddenly became
an idea that people put
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onto wedding
banquets to show
how wealthy you were
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and how successful you were.
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And there's different
stories of where it started,
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but there was two hotels
that suddenly started
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putting it on their
wedding banquets.
335
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Have your wedding
banquet here,
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you could eat
like the emperor.
337
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So this is something
from the last 50 years,
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the shark fin soup.Yeah.
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But the big problem is
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just across
the border in China,
341
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you've got
a massive population
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who are just finding
new wealth.
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They all want to be
like the emperor.
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Gorgeous photo done
where it's all
golden looking
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and shiny and rich
and fancy graphics,
346
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and it looks expensive.
347
00:29:40,655 --> 00:29:42,482
And yet the insanity is,
348
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I could put it next
to the picture
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of where it really
came from.
350
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These shark fin
traders are just--
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they are having
the last laugh.
352
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This is the insanity of
the marketing industry
353
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behind the shark fin
industry.
354
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You are taking
something that has
355
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just been skankily
dried in a gutter.
356
00:30:15,586 --> 00:30:17,586
This is what I call
gutter food.
357
00:30:17,689 --> 00:30:20,241
It's lying there in a
gutter next to dog shit,
358
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next to cigarette butts,
rat poison.
359
00:30:23,793 --> 00:30:27,655
What if we put posters of
a billboard of shark fins
360
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next to dog shit
around Hong Kong
361
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and said, "this is
what you're eating"?
362
00:30:32,068 --> 00:30:34,379
That's something
I'm actually working
on at the moment.
363
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I saw the photos
that you took
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of 40,000 some-odd
fins on a rooftop.
365
00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,448
Tell me about how
that happened.
366
00:30:43,551 --> 00:30:45,275
So that was actually
just over here
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on this building here
where the yellow thing is,
368
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just behind that.
369
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I actually got a tip-off
on new years day
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very early in the morning.
371
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I called our head office
in the states,
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got permission,
chartered a helicopter.
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Jump into the cameras.
374
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We're talking an insane
amount of shark fins.
375
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We literally run up
onto the roof.
376
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Shoot, shoot, shoot.
377
00:31:19,517 --> 00:31:22,724
It was actually
an old Chinese couple
with straw hats,
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and they were
just on the roof
379
00:31:24,379 --> 00:31:25,965
just turning
the fins over.
380
00:31:26,068 --> 00:31:28,103
And you don't know
what time you've got
381
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before a load of
other people turn up.
382
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I was worried about
me being the only
guy on the roof.
383
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Some angry traders, yeah.On an abandoned rooftop.
384
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:37,137
Angry people.Yeah. Someone might slip.
385
00:31:37,241 --> 00:31:38,793
And falling off
the roof. You know?
386
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We've seen the
massive decline in
shark populations.
387
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It's been literally
since the 1960s.
388
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Because of soup.Because of the soup.
389
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[Indistinct chatter]
390
00:32:02,896 --> 00:32:04,896
Hi.
Hey.
391
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,137
Hi, Eli.
392
00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:07,517
How are you?Very well.
393
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:08,931
Pleasure.
394
00:32:09,034 --> 00:32:11,172
Hi, how are you?This is chef to.
395
00:32:11,275 --> 00:32:13,689
Nice to meet you.
396
00:32:13,793 --> 00:32:16,206
Tell me, how does,
uh, how does it work?
397
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,344
[Speaking Chinese]
398
00:32:40,655 --> 00:32:44,241
Roth: Ahh, ok.
399
00:32:44,344 --> 00:32:46,482
And that rehydrates it?
Yes.
400
00:32:46,586 --> 00:32:50,241
It'll sit in the ice bath
for [speaking Chinese].
401
00:32:50,344 --> 00:32:51,931
Overnight.
402
00:32:52,034 --> 00:32:54,827
So afterwards you
get, uh, to this stage.
403
00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:57,137
This is the finished product.
404
00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:59,206
So do you clean--
is it cleaned before,
405
00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:00,862
or it just comes
like that?
406
00:33:00,965 --> 00:33:05,724
Well, I mean, fins generally
are pretty, uh, clean.
407
00:33:05,827 --> 00:33:08,000
[Speaking Chinese]
408
00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:12,000
Yeah. These are
really pristine.
409
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:18,310
Woman: Shark fin is discolored.
410
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,137
And it also has a
very strong smell.
411
00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:26,965
To make it more appealing
for somebody to eat,
412
00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:29,482
they'll strip the skin off
413
00:33:29,586 --> 00:33:31,896
and start vigorously
scrubbing it.
414
00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:35,000
To get rid of the smell
415
00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:36,724
and to get rid of
that yellowing,
416
00:33:36,827 --> 00:33:38,413
unappealing texture,
417
00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:41,793
they have to use strong
chemicals such as bleach.
418
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:45,862
What you're eating is
not pure shark cartilage.
419
00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:49,000
You're eating toxic chemicals.
420
00:33:52,551 --> 00:33:55,206
[Speaking Chinese]
421
00:33:59,551 --> 00:34:01,965
Roth: So what's
he doing now?
422
00:34:05,103 --> 00:34:06,758
What is superior broth?
423
00:34:21,448 --> 00:34:23,482
It's outdated.
424
00:34:33,793 --> 00:34:37,344
What do they put in
the fake shark fin soup?
425
00:34:40,931 --> 00:34:43,000
Ok.[to speaking Chinese]
426
00:34:53,379 --> 00:34:55,965
This feels like jelly.It is.
427
00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:04,482
It's calcium.
428
00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:07,655
Other than the thickness,
they feel exactly the same.
429
00:35:07,758 --> 00:35:10,034
Yeah, this doesn't
smell at all.
430
00:35:10,137 --> 00:35:12,103
Seriously, go, go,
go take a bite.
431
00:35:12,206 --> 00:35:13,689
Of this.
432
00:35:13,793 --> 00:35:14,689
No,
433
00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:23,103
This has no taste.
434
00:35:30,689 --> 00:35:32,724
How are you?Man: Good.
435
00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:34,758
So nice to meet you.
436
00:35:36,724 --> 00:35:39,586
We have a lot in common.
We love food.
437
00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:42,448
But we also love "riki-oh:
The story of Ricky."
438
00:35:42,551 --> 00:35:44,068
[Laughs]
439
00:35:44,172 --> 00:35:45,862
You made "riki-oh."
440
00:35:45,965 --> 00:35:47,517
Yeah. Yeah.
441
00:35:50,068 --> 00:35:52,793
"Riki-oh" is one of the most
violent movies ever made.
442
00:35:52,896 --> 00:35:54,241
Oh, yeah.
443
00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:55,517
Uhh!
444
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,137
Aah!aah!
445
00:35:59,793 --> 00:36:01,413
How did you then become
a food critic?
446
00:36:01,517 --> 00:36:04,551
From making films?
447
00:36:04,655 --> 00:36:06,758
It's true.
It's a lot nicer to eat.
448
00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:09,827
Here it is.
Oh, wow.
449
00:36:09,931 --> 00:36:11,482
Yep.
450
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:14,103
I had a pet pig,
so I don't eat ham.
451
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,758
And I love diving
with sharks.
452
00:36:15,862 --> 00:36:17,482
So this is literally
my worst nightmare
453
00:36:17,586 --> 00:36:19,482
combined into one bowl.
454
00:36:19,586 --> 00:36:22,000
This is like
cannibal holocaust.
455
00:36:22,103 --> 00:36:24,448
The great inferno.
It's like me eating my friends.
456
00:36:27,724 --> 00:36:29,827
Let me try the fakey.
457
00:36:32,551 --> 00:36:34,172
It's tasty.
458
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,551
I don't know the difference.
I've never had it before.
459
00:36:37,655 --> 00:36:41,413
But this to me tastes
kind of like wonton soup.
460
00:36:41,517 --> 00:36:43,172
Ha ha ha! Ok.
461
00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:48,000
The texture, I don't kind of
feel or taste anything.
462
00:36:48,103 --> 00:36:49,482
Ok.it's kind of fun.
463
00:36:49,586 --> 00:36:51,000
And chewy a little bit.
464
00:36:51,103 --> 00:36:55,310
And now the shark fin soup.
465
00:37:07,344 --> 00:37:10,586
If I'm being honest, it
tastes exactly the same.
466
00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:13,172
It's gooey-er and thicker.
467
00:37:13,275 --> 00:37:14,965
I'm thinking about
the animal more.
468
00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,241
I can't pretend that this
tastes worse than this,
469
00:37:17,344 --> 00:37:19,586
'cause it doesn't,
it tastes exactly the same.
470
00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:25,586
Why do people love it?
471
00:37:30,896 --> 00:37:32,517
That's it?That's it.
472
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:36,586
So this would be, I mean,
$100 a bowl or something?
473
00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:38,827
Thereabouts, yeah.
They're buying
into prestige.
474
00:37:38,931 --> 00:37:41,896
They're buying into
a tiny sliver of,
475
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,862
you know, emperor royal
history, so to speak.
476
00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:47,551
In america, we do
the exact same thing.
477
00:37:47,655 --> 00:37:49,034
It's just human nature.Absolutely.
478
00:37:49,137 --> 00:37:50,896
People want to order
the most expensive thing
479
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,724
to show they can afford it
and pretend they like it,
480
00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:54,689
even if they don't.Lam: That's it.
481
00:37:54,793 --> 00:37:57,137
Does the older
generation think about
482
00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:59,206
sustainability,
the environment?
483
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:01,862
Do they just--or it's...
484
00:38:01,965 --> 00:38:04,206
Fake news, yeah. No.
485
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:13,241
Roth: Tell me about wildaid and
what you guys are doing here.
486
00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:15,689
Wildaid, we're
a conservation ngo
487
00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:19,896
that we're focused solely
on reducing the demand
for endangered species.
488
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,620
So in Hong Kong
that primarily means the
elephant and the sharks.
489
00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:26,896
We've managed to get
the ivory trade banned
here in January.
490
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,103
And so now we're
fixing our attention
firmly on sharks.
491
00:38:30,206 --> 00:38:34,758
You did a campaign
that I heard about in
the U.S. with yao ming.
492
00:38:34,862 --> 00:38:37,793
Announcer: What if you
could see how shark fin
soup is made?
493
00:38:37,896 --> 00:38:40,793
Hofford: We had
a campaign back
in about 2013
494
00:38:40,896 --> 00:38:44,103
calling on the Chinese
public to reduce their
consumption of shark fin.
495
00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:46,206
When the buying stops...When the buying stops...
496
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:47,586
When the buying stops...The killing can, too.
497
00:38:47,689 --> 00:38:49,448
Can, too.Killing can, too.
498
00:38:49,551 --> 00:38:51,931
Hofford: And so the Chinese
government stopped selling
499
00:38:52,034 --> 00:38:54,620
shark fin at official
banquets in 2013.
500
00:38:54,724 --> 00:38:56,103
6 months after
that happened,
501
00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:57,689
the Hong Kong government
also stopped serving
502
00:38:57,793 --> 00:38:59,448
shark fin at all
official banquets here.
503
00:38:59,551 --> 00:39:01,413
But it's a huge country,
504
00:39:01,517 --> 00:39:03,931
and even if the consumption
is still not as much,
505
00:39:04,034 --> 00:39:06,068
it's still a hell of a lot.
506
00:39:06,172 --> 00:39:09,137
What we're seeing now
is that the consumption
of shark fin
507
00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:11,724
is actually spreading
around China,
508
00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:15,827
places like Cambodia
or Southeast Asia, Vietnam.
509
00:39:15,931 --> 00:39:18,310
We're pretty much
the only ngo I think,
510
00:39:18,413 --> 00:39:19,862
apart from sea Shepherd,
publicly calling
511
00:39:19,965 --> 00:39:22,068
for a shark fin trade
ban in Hong Kong.
512
00:39:22,172 --> 00:39:23,827
Scientists have
actually determined
513
00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:25,379
that there is no such thing
514
00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:27,034
as sustainable
blue shark fisheries.
515
00:39:27,137 --> 00:39:28,586
They can't get them to
reproduce fast enough
516
00:39:28,689 --> 00:39:30,000
to keep the trade going.
517
00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:32,137
When you bring that
to the ngos, going,
518
00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:36,172
"why are you supporting
so-called sustainable
fisheries,"
519
00:39:36,275 --> 00:39:37,827
what is their response?
520
00:39:37,931 --> 00:39:40,275
I don't want to talk
about this on camera.
521
00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:42,068
Well, you don't have
to name them by name.
522
00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,034
But I'm saying, why wouldn't
everyone think the way you do?
523
00:39:44,137 --> 00:39:48,103
Uh, because the fishing
industries have got,
524
00:39:48,206 --> 00:39:51,379
you know, pretty long
tentacles into
the ngo community.
525
00:40:20,413 --> 00:40:21,827
Fishermen are not bad people
526
00:40:21,931 --> 00:40:24,172
that want to empty
the oceans out.
527
00:40:29,931 --> 00:40:33,275
They are some of the biggest
environmentalists that I know.
528
00:40:33,379 --> 00:40:36,689
The first people that told me
about climate change,
529
00:40:36,793 --> 00:40:39,379
the very first people,
fishermen.
530
00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:44,344
Man: There's something
in this whole notion
531
00:40:44,448 --> 00:40:47,310
that the shark fin
soup is bad.
532
00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:50,896
To completely ban the use
of fins in the United States
533
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,724
will literally have
no effect on the global
conservation of sharks.
534
00:41:05,103 --> 00:41:07,275
Hofford: Some of the scientists
and the ngos
535
00:41:07,379 --> 00:41:10,241
that are backing the sustainable
shark fin trade act
536
00:41:10,344 --> 00:41:14,137
are not really
mindful of how big
537
00:41:14,241 --> 00:41:16,758
and how powerful the criminals
are in this trade
538
00:41:16,862 --> 00:41:18,379
because it is
a hidden trade,
539
00:41:18,482 --> 00:41:20,551
and it only comes to light
during seizures.
540
00:41:41,551 --> 00:41:43,413
Hofford: The restaurants
in Hong Kong
541
00:41:43,517 --> 00:41:45,137
are just as much a part
of the problem.
542
00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:47,931
They have a moral duty
to stop selling shark fin.
543
00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:49,931
And that's why we want them
to see sharks
544
00:41:50,034 --> 00:41:53,620
within the concept of crime.
545
00:42:09,724 --> 00:42:12,517
Roth: What's so
notorious about it?
546
00:42:22,241 --> 00:42:23,758
Stokes: There's
the retail market,
547
00:42:23,862 --> 00:42:25,206
mom and pops going in
and buying
548
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,655
the odd little bit
here and there.
549
00:42:28,758 --> 00:42:30,310
And then there's the wholesale,
550
00:42:30,413 --> 00:42:33,206
where they're coming in
and they buy sacks.
551
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,103
When it comes down
to the money,
552
00:42:35,206 --> 00:42:37,103
which is what's
driving it all,
553
00:42:37,206 --> 00:42:40,827
we're looking at $380 million
just in the fin trade alone,
554
00:42:40,931 --> 00:42:43,206
with over a billion
dollars worldwide
555
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:45,172
in all the shark industries.
556
00:42:45,275 --> 00:42:47,448
But one of the problems
is the statistics.
557
00:42:47,551 --> 00:42:50,620
What's being declared
is all we know.
558
00:42:50,724 --> 00:42:55,172
How much isn't being declared
is just mind-blowing.
559
00:42:55,275 --> 00:42:58,793
We're just gonna go in
as curious tourists
and have a look.
560
00:42:58,896 --> 00:43:00,931
Just be prepared to be
told to get out.
561
00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:03,482
All right.
562
00:43:05,379 --> 00:43:06,896
We have to fake
like we're shopping.
563
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,620
What are those?
564
00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:10,241
Want to go in,
have a look?
Yeah, sure.
565
00:43:10,344 --> 00:43:11,724
Cat loves the sharks.Which is all right.
566
00:43:11,827 --> 00:43:13,586
Those are pectoral fins.
Sea horses.
567
00:43:13,689 --> 00:43:15,172
Roth: That looks like coconut.
568
00:43:15,275 --> 00:43:17,827
Man: Get out!
Get out! Yeah.
569
00:43:17,931 --> 00:43:20,034
Stokes: Ok, ok, you don't
have to push. No push.
570
00:43:20,137 --> 00:43:22,172
Roth: Fish caught in 1987?Stokes: 1987.
571
00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,275
What is that?
572
00:43:24,379 --> 00:43:25,827
Stokes: Can I take photo?
573
00:43:25,931 --> 00:43:27,586
Woman: No, no, no.Just one. Just one.
574
00:43:27,689 --> 00:43:28,862
No, no, no.
575
00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:31,137
No, no, no.
576
00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:32,862
Is that a whale--oh, I was
saying, what is that?
577
00:43:32,965 --> 00:43:34,931
[Speaks Chinese]
578
00:43:35,034 --> 00:43:36,896
Ow! Don't do that.
579
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,620
That's not nice.
580
00:43:38,724 --> 00:43:40,551
Don't get run
over by a tram.
581
00:43:40,655 --> 00:43:43,241
Oh, yeah,
I'll try not to.
582
00:43:43,344 --> 00:43:47,068
Stokes: Obviously you're
trying to hide something
for your business.
583
00:43:47,172 --> 00:43:48,620
No, none. Done.
584
00:43:48,724 --> 00:43:50,551
Stokes: That is whale shark.It's done.
585
00:43:50,655 --> 00:43:53,344
Why are you closing?
Why we cannot see? Why not?
586
00:43:53,448 --> 00:43:55,379
[Speaking Chinese]
587
00:43:55,482 --> 00:43:58,620
Anyone would think they
had something to hide.
588
00:44:01,103 --> 00:44:03,448
Cool.
Yeah.
589
00:44:09,034 --> 00:44:11,275
Stokes: I don't know this one,
I don't think.
590
00:44:11,379 --> 00:44:14,275
Roth: Wow.
The smell is strong.
591
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:16,862
They look like candies.
592
00:44:16,965 --> 00:44:19,379
Hello. Hi.
593
00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:22,310
What are these?
594
00:44:22,413 --> 00:44:26,241
Does he know what that--
the big one came from?
595
00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:28,482
Man: Jaws.Roth: Jaws?
596
00:44:28,586 --> 00:44:30,517
Oh, that's from
a great white.
597
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:31,965
Oh.
598
00:44:32,068 --> 00:44:34,103
That's a great white
shark fin.
599
00:44:34,206 --> 00:44:35,896
These are all fin, right?
600
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,275
Man: Yeah.
601
00:44:37,379 --> 00:44:39,310
Wow.
602
00:44:39,413 --> 00:44:42,241
This is the closest
I've ever gotten to
a great white shark.
603
00:44:42,344 --> 00:44:44,206
It's here.
It is not for sale.
604
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:47,517
It is displayed, because,
as our friend told us,
605
00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:49,724
great whites are illegal.
606
00:44:49,827 --> 00:44:52,689
But it is completely
untraceable.
607
00:44:52,793 --> 00:44:55,689
People with permits or not
brought them in.
608
00:44:55,793 --> 00:44:58,482
Stokes: Do you know
what type of shark, or?
609
00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:02,034
Tiger shark.
610
00:45:02,137 --> 00:45:03,965
And how much is it? 13--
611
00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:05,448
some are hammerhead,
some are tiger.
612
00:45:05,551 --> 00:45:07,379
So what is that one?
613
00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:12,551
Oh.
614
00:45:12,655 --> 00:45:15,000
These are the small hammerheads
and big hammerheads.
615
00:45:21,241 --> 00:45:23,137
Stokes: Blue shark?Blue shark?
616
00:45:23,241 --> 00:45:24,724
What are these?
617
00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:28,034
This is like, uh,
a kind of blue shark.
618
00:45:28,137 --> 00:45:30,137
Blue shark.
And this is also blue shark?
619
00:45:30,241 --> 00:45:31,482
Yeah, blue shark.Stokes: They're all blue.
620
00:45:31,586 --> 00:45:33,379
They're all blue.Blue shark.
621
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,655
Roth: Ok, what
just happened?
622
00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:40,517
So what happened was,
that second guy said,
623
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:42,206
no, no, no, these are blue.
These are blue.
624
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:43,793
Blue shark's not protected.
625
00:45:43,896 --> 00:45:46,758
And that's why he
changed the narrative,
626
00:45:46,862 --> 00:45:48,344
he heard us talking
about hammerhead.
627
00:45:48,448 --> 00:45:50,620
Yeah. Who called him?
628
00:45:50,724 --> 00:45:52,413
Who told him?
Who tipped him off
we were in there?
629
00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,482
You've got a western film crew
in one of these shops,
630
00:45:54,586 --> 00:45:56,379
they're all looking in
through the doorway.
631
00:45:56,482 --> 00:45:59,379
The second guy has
seen me a lot.
632
00:45:59,482 --> 00:46:02,206
Is he now gonna call
every other one of
his trader friends
633
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:04,068
and say, "these
guys are coming?"
634
00:46:04,172 --> 00:46:06,000
That already happened.
635
00:46:06,103 --> 00:46:08,413
When we were in there filming
with the first guy,
636
00:46:08,517 --> 00:46:10,758
that guy got called.
That's why he came in.
637
00:46:10,862 --> 00:46:13,551
He's actually with the
shark fin association.
638
00:46:13,655 --> 00:46:16,275
He's trying to get their
side of the story over,
639
00:46:16,379 --> 00:46:18,482
which is why I played along a
little bit with him and tried--
640
00:46:18,586 --> 00:46:21,206
well, should we try
and talk to those guys?
641
00:46:21,310 --> 00:46:23,448
Why not?
642
00:46:32,862 --> 00:46:34,206
Man: He just called back.
643
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:35,551
They can talk now.
Can we do that?
644
00:46:35,655 --> 00:46:36,793
Yes.
Yes. Yes, let's go.
645
00:46:36,896 --> 00:46:38,344
Yes.
Where?
646
00:46:38,448 --> 00:46:40,551
Man: Go to ivas hotel.
647
00:46:40,655 --> 00:46:43,344
Oh, this could make
some good footage.
648
00:46:43,448 --> 00:46:44,551
Have you ever
talked to these guys?
649
00:46:44,655 --> 00:46:46,344
They refuse.
650
00:46:46,448 --> 00:46:48,206
This is the first time
they're speaking to you?
Yeah.
651
00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:49,896
Why do you think they're
suddenly doing this?
652
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,896
They want to get their
side of the story over.
653
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,068
That's what they want to do.
654
00:46:54,172 --> 00:46:56,275
Let's do this.
655
00:46:56,379 --> 00:46:58,413
[Indistinct chatter]
656
00:47:03,068 --> 00:47:04,586
Thank you.
657
00:47:04,689 --> 00:47:07,068
[Speaking Chinese]
658
00:47:10,241 --> 00:47:15,586
Is there one
misconception
about China
659
00:47:15,689 --> 00:47:17,551
and the shark industry
660
00:47:17,655 --> 00:47:20,586
that he would like
people around
the world to know?
661
00:47:20,689 --> 00:47:22,896
[Speaking Chinese]
662
00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:54,896
[Speaking Chinese]
663
00:48:15,517 --> 00:48:18,758
What you're saying is,
we're just using the fin,
664
00:48:18,862 --> 00:48:21,137
but the sharks
are still in danger.
665
00:48:21,241 --> 00:48:25,000
Right? So forget
the demand for shark fin.
666
00:48:25,103 --> 00:48:27,896
Are all the other
market, the meat,
667
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,275
the cartilage,
the liver oil,
668
00:48:30,379 --> 00:48:32,620
do you think that
shark's population
669
00:48:32,724 --> 00:48:34,724
will still continue
going down
670
00:48:34,827 --> 00:48:37,241
if we remove
the shark fin element?
671
00:48:37,344 --> 00:48:41,620
If we stop the soup,
are the sharks still
going to get killed?
672
00:48:48,724 --> 00:48:50,206
Roth: I don't know if i'm
drinking the kool-aid,
673
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:52,000
but I listened
to those guys,
674
00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:54,172
and everything they said
was perfectly reasonable.
675
00:48:54,275 --> 00:48:57,517
This is actually something
that I've been hearing,
676
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:59,482
and we've all been hearing
for a long time.
677
00:48:59,586 --> 00:49:03,482
We need to look at all of the
products, not just shark fin.
678
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,206
So long as everything else is
still carrying on as normal,
679
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:12,310
what they're saying
is 100% true.
680
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:17,137
They are just using
and utilizing the
off-cut, technically.
681
00:49:19,137 --> 00:49:22,896
Even though we know the shark
fin's the driving force.
682
00:49:27,103 --> 00:49:28,965
Finning, as it was known,
683
00:49:29,068 --> 00:49:31,241
which is the practice of
chopping off a fin at sea
684
00:49:31,344 --> 00:49:33,448
and throwing
the carcass overboard,
685
00:49:33,551 --> 00:49:35,586
literally still alive.
686
00:49:40,827 --> 00:49:42,896
That was on the long
line tuna boats,
687
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,482
because they didn't want
to fill the hold
688
00:49:44,586 --> 00:49:48,103
with a big carcass
of little value.
689
00:49:52,896 --> 00:49:55,655
They knew that
the regulations would come in
690
00:49:55,758 --> 00:49:59,103
when people started seeing
the barbaric images.
691
00:50:02,896 --> 00:50:04,896
They were already
one step ahead,
692
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,310
which was why the marketeers
of the shark fin industry
693
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:12,137
went around and started really
peddling those other industries,
694
00:50:12,241 --> 00:50:14,931
to give value so
that the fishermen
695
00:50:15,034 --> 00:50:17,310
would actually land
the whole shark.
696
00:50:17,413 --> 00:50:18,965
Now the whole shark had value.
697
00:50:19,068 --> 00:50:20,275
Roth: Wow.
698
00:50:20,379 --> 00:50:22,241
It's a big problem.
699
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,551
Worm: Banning shark finning
was an important step
700
00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:43,620
in reducing mortality of sharks
and eliminating the cruel
701
00:50:43,724 --> 00:50:46,000
and wasteful practice of
cutting off the shark's fins
702
00:50:46,103 --> 00:50:49,034
and then discarding
the bodies.
703
00:50:49,137 --> 00:50:51,862
What we found, though, is that
this hasn't eliminated
704
00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:54,206
the total mortality of sharks.
705
00:51:21,827 --> 00:51:24,931
[Indistinct chatter]
706
00:51:25,034 --> 00:51:27,137
Now they're sold
for their meat,
707
00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:29,000
for their liver oil,
708
00:51:29,103 --> 00:51:33,413
which also goes into cosmetics
and food supplements,
709
00:51:33,517 --> 00:51:36,275
for their shark cartilage,
which goes into health products.
710
00:51:36,379 --> 00:51:38,413
"Sharks don't get cancer."
711
00:51:38,517 --> 00:51:40,862
That's the title of
a controversial book
by Dr. William Lane
712
00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:42,896
who holds a phd
in biochemistry.
713
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,172
Bill Lane believes
there's something in
the cartilage of a shark
714
00:51:46,275 --> 00:51:48,206
that stops cancer tumors
from growing.
715
00:51:49,551 --> 00:51:52,724
Woman: Shark cartilage
got first promoted as
an anti-cancer therapy,
716
00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:55,896
and then it kind of exploded
because it was profitable.
717
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,862
It created a mythology that said
that sharks don't get cancer.
718
00:51:58,965 --> 00:52:01,482
That really is a just
a myth that's propagated
719
00:52:01,586 --> 00:52:05,068
by folks that are interested
in making the shark products.
720
00:52:05,172 --> 00:52:06,896
Did you know that sharks
don't get cancer?
721
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,413
Sharks don't get cancer.
722
00:52:10,137 --> 00:52:12,103
Merly: We know from many cases
that have been documented
723
00:52:12,206 --> 00:52:14,344
of sharks both in captivity
and in the wild
724
00:52:14,448 --> 00:52:16,965
showing that they had
in fact developed tumors.
725
00:52:19,103 --> 00:52:21,482
It's sold as a dietary
supplement.
726
00:52:21,586 --> 00:52:23,344
People that are building
muscle are told
727
00:52:23,448 --> 00:52:25,344
that it can help them
protect their joints.
728
00:52:25,448 --> 00:52:27,241
We tested it on human cells,
729
00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:29,206
and those human cells
actually responded
730
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:31,724
by producing
inflammatory mediators,
731
00:52:31,827 --> 00:52:34,586
things that would be entirely
counter indicated,
732
00:52:34,689 --> 00:52:37,827
where the underlying
pathology is actually
inflammation.
733
00:52:39,517 --> 00:52:42,344
You can get a lot of cartilage
out of a single shark
734
00:52:42,448 --> 00:52:46,724
because the entire body of the
shark is made out of cartilage.
735
00:52:46,827 --> 00:52:48,793
Sharks have really
large livers.
736
00:52:48,896 --> 00:52:51,000
You're gonna get an enormous
amount of that oil
737
00:52:51,103 --> 00:52:53,241
from a single shark.
738
00:52:57,517 --> 00:52:59,000
So they'll land that shark
739
00:52:59,103 --> 00:53:00,896
even though it's not what
they were going after
740
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,068
because they can make some money
off of that shark,
741
00:53:03,172 --> 00:53:08,655
whether that's liver oil
or cartilage, meat, or fins.
742
00:53:08,758 --> 00:53:11,413
They're incentivizing
retaining those sharks.
743
00:53:11,517 --> 00:53:14,827
This is a big issue because it's
problematic to consume
744
00:53:14,931 --> 00:53:17,172
large amounts
of these animals.
745
00:53:24,896 --> 00:53:28,034
Hammerschlag: The argument for
sustainable shark fishing
746
00:53:28,137 --> 00:53:31,482
is that people get
to eat the meat and
get nutrition from it.
747
00:53:31,586 --> 00:53:34,310
The problem with those arguments
is our science is showing
748
00:53:34,413 --> 00:53:38,482
that shark meat and shark fins
are not healthy.
749
00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:45,448
Samples taken of
shark meat shows
750
00:53:45,551 --> 00:53:47,965
that they have very high
levels of Mercury.
751
00:53:48,068 --> 00:53:49,620
That's a neurotoxin
to humans
752
00:53:49,724 --> 00:53:52,137
that can result in
reproductive failure
753
00:53:52,241 --> 00:53:54,517
or in an extreme level, death.
754
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:59,000
The fins of sharks actually
contain neurotoxins
755
00:53:59,103 --> 00:54:03,034
that are linked with
the development of
Alzheimer's in humans.
756
00:54:03,137 --> 00:54:06,862
The high levels of Mercury
is not coming naturally.
757
00:54:06,965 --> 00:54:13,724
Most of the Mercury is coming
from coal fire burning plants.
758
00:54:13,827 --> 00:54:15,655
They're putting the Mercury
into the atmosphere,
759
00:54:15,758 --> 00:54:17,344
it's settling in the ocean.
760
00:54:17,448 --> 00:54:19,413
Bacteria take that
inorganic form of Mercury,
761
00:54:19,517 --> 00:54:21,275
they convert it to
an organic form,
762
00:54:21,379 --> 00:54:23,862
and then small organisms
eat that bacteria,
763
00:54:23,965 --> 00:54:25,724
and it gets more concentrated
and starts working
764
00:54:25,827 --> 00:54:27,586
its way up the food web
to the sharks,
765
00:54:27,689 --> 00:54:31,068
and then we eat sharks,
and that's how we get Mercury.
766
00:54:31,172 --> 00:54:33,103
And there's nobody
testing this?
767
00:54:33,206 --> 00:54:36,172
There's no--there's
no, like, labels or
warning--warning,
768
00:54:36,275 --> 00:54:37,655
this contains--
there's nothing?
769
00:54:37,758 --> 00:54:39,241
No. But the thing is,
770
00:54:39,344 --> 00:54:41,827
shark parts sometimes
get mislabeled.
771
00:54:41,931 --> 00:54:43,931
They're called other things.
772
00:54:44,034 --> 00:54:46,206
A lot of the meat in
the U.S. gets sent
773
00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:48,724
to places like Europe
and Canada
774
00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:50,862
and called fish and chips,
and it gets fried up.
775
00:54:50,965 --> 00:54:52,448
Fish and chips in Canada?
776
00:54:52,551 --> 00:54:55,000
Or--and in Europe.
777
00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:21,482
Nobody knows this.
778
00:55:21,586 --> 00:55:23,620
Nobody's talking
about it.
779
00:55:23,724 --> 00:55:25,206
If you don't
care about sharks,
780
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:28,068
what about the humans
that are eating them?
781
00:55:28,172 --> 00:55:31,448
Most sharks can't
sustain any level
782
00:55:31,551 --> 00:55:34,413
of reasonable
commercial fishing
783
00:55:34,517 --> 00:55:37,241
because they have such
a low reproductive output.
784
00:55:37,344 --> 00:55:40,931
People who consume shark
parts like meat and fins
785
00:55:41,034 --> 00:55:43,275
are at a health risk.
786
00:55:43,379 --> 00:55:46,448
Building a business based on
commercial shark fishing
787
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,275
is like betting on a horse
788
00:55:48,379 --> 00:55:49,689
that you know is
gonna lose the race.
789
00:55:52,517 --> 00:55:55,241
One of the things that really
does sort of, you know,
790
00:55:55,344 --> 00:55:58,137
it gets me up a bit, is
everybody does blame China.
791
00:55:58,241 --> 00:56:00,448
The demand for
fins is China.
792
00:56:00,551 --> 00:56:03,931
But it's not the Chinese
that are necessarily
killing all the sharks.
793
00:56:04,034 --> 00:56:06,413
It's happening
everywhere.
794
00:56:06,517 --> 00:56:08,206
Most people don't
realize that.
795
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:09,862
Spain and Indonesia flip
796
00:56:09,965 --> 00:56:12,172
and change the number
one spot each year,
797
00:56:12,275 --> 00:56:13,896
but the interesting
thing is,
798
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,275
the U.S. is about the
seventh biggest exporter
799
00:56:16,379 --> 00:56:18,034
of fins to Hong Kong.
800
00:56:18,137 --> 00:56:20,000
In the U.S. we're killing sharks
and sending them here?
801
00:56:20,103 --> 00:56:21,689
Absolutely.
802
00:56:21,793 --> 00:56:23,620
What is it gonna take
to stop it?
803
00:56:23,724 --> 00:56:26,551
We need to target the
illegal fishing first.
Yeah.
804
00:56:26,655 --> 00:56:29,275
There are so many other
fishing boats out there
805
00:56:29,379 --> 00:56:32,206
that are just
ghost ships.
806
00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:34,172
They're operating
under the radar.
807
00:56:34,275 --> 00:56:36,551
These guys are going
into people's countries,
808
00:56:36,655 --> 00:56:38,793
they're fishing illegally,
and running out.
809
00:56:38,896 --> 00:56:40,965
So they are raping
and pillaging.
810
00:56:41,068 --> 00:56:43,689
I want to get on one of
those industrial boats.
811
00:56:43,793 --> 00:56:46,413
How difficult is that?Uh, very.
812
00:56:46,517 --> 00:56:47,724
Most of these
fishing boats,
813
00:56:47,827 --> 00:56:49,275
they're going out
on the high seas,
814
00:56:49,379 --> 00:56:51,034
these huge, big
industrial
fishing boats.
815
00:56:51,137 --> 00:56:55,965
They're crewed by basically
third world slaves.
816
00:56:56,068 --> 00:56:57,827
Some of these boats
are going out there,
817
00:56:57,931 --> 00:57:00,068
and they're staying out on
the sea for years on end.
818
00:57:00,172 --> 00:57:04,379
And that's where the
illegality really rolls
into a human impact.
819
00:57:04,482 --> 00:57:06,931
I mean, we are talking
human slavery at sea.
820
00:57:09,931 --> 00:57:13,931
One, I don't think
you'd be very welcome
in the first place.
821
00:57:14,034 --> 00:57:15,689
Two, safety.
822
00:57:15,793 --> 00:57:17,413
You know,
fisheries inspectors
823
00:57:17,517 --> 00:57:19,413
that have been placed
on these vessels,
824
00:57:19,517 --> 00:57:22,793
they've met with accidents
and just disappeared.
825
00:57:22,896 --> 00:57:28,482
We had one famous case
just off the west coast
of South America.
826
00:57:28,586 --> 00:57:30,655
And it was
a U.S. inspector.
827
00:57:30,758 --> 00:57:32,275
Disappeared.
828
00:57:32,379 --> 00:57:34,620
Nobody knows
where he went.
829
00:57:35,758 --> 00:57:38,586
And the boat didn't get busted,
nothing happened to them?
830
00:57:38,689 --> 00:57:40,275
Accidents happen at sea.
831
00:57:40,379 --> 00:57:41,793
There's an accident or
he had a heart attack.
832
00:57:41,896 --> 00:57:43,482
And, well, where's
the body? Well--
833
00:57:43,586 --> 00:57:44,689
he fell over--fell overboard.
834
00:57:44,793 --> 00:57:46,137
This is a huge business,
835
00:57:46,241 --> 00:57:48,586
and when you start
meddling with it,
836
00:57:48,689 --> 00:57:50,758
accidents happen.
837
00:57:50,862 --> 00:57:53,689
I want to get on
one of those boats.
838
00:59:10,034 --> 00:59:14,586
Two pieces of dried
bonefish will cost you
839
00:59:14,689 --> 00:59:17,344
almost $3.00 or $2.00.
840
00:59:17,448 --> 00:59:21,137
Most of our tunas
and all the best fish
841
00:59:21,241 --> 00:59:23,206
in the world is
taken to Europe.
842
00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:24,931
They make millions
of dollars.
843
00:59:25,034 --> 00:59:26,482
The country's not benefiting
from any of that.
844
00:59:26,586 --> 00:59:28,551
We're not.
845
00:59:28,655 --> 00:59:31,689
They're stealing from Liberia
and taking your best resource,
846
00:59:31,793 --> 00:59:33,827
and the people of Liberia
are the ones suffering
847
00:59:33,931 --> 00:59:36,068
while Europeans are
getting wealthy from it.
848
00:59:43,172 --> 00:59:44,931
Roth: A lot of people
around the world
849
00:59:45,034 --> 00:59:46,724
don't know about
illegal fishing
850
00:59:46,827 --> 00:59:49,206
and the decimation of
the shark population,
851
00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:51,413
unless you're living in
a country like Liberia
852
00:59:51,517 --> 00:59:54,068
where it's directly
affecting you.
853
01:00:59,103 --> 01:01:01,344
Hi.
Man: Hi.
854
01:01:01,448 --> 01:01:02,620
Eli.welcome aboard.
855
01:01:02,724 --> 01:01:03,620
It's very nice
to meet you.
856
01:01:03,724 --> 01:01:04,724
Nice to meet you.
857
01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:06,689
Thank you for having us.
858
01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:09,758
Roth: So tell me
about this boat.
859
01:01:09,862 --> 01:01:11,482
Man: Built in 1951.
860
01:01:11,586 --> 01:01:13,862
It was built as
a whaling boat.
861
01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:15,413
And then we acquired it
862
01:01:15,517 --> 01:01:17,862
thanks to the generosity
of Mr. Bob barker,
863
01:01:17,965 --> 01:01:19,620
who bought
the vessel for us.
864
01:01:22,517 --> 01:01:25,275
Welcome to
"the price is right."
865
01:01:25,379 --> 01:01:27,275
Hammarstedt: Bob barker's
a big philanthropist.
866
01:01:27,379 --> 01:01:30,793
He's a person who has been very
supportive of animal causes.
867
01:01:30,896 --> 01:01:32,965
Have your pets
spayed or neutered.
868
01:01:33,068 --> 01:01:35,586
Good-bye, everybody.
869
01:01:35,689 --> 01:01:38,344
Hammarstedt: Mr. Barker
likes results.
870
01:01:38,448 --> 01:01:42,068
Sea Shepherd is a results-driven
organization.
871
01:01:42,172 --> 01:01:43,689
We measure our success
872
01:01:43,793 --> 01:01:46,482
by the number of criminal
operations we shut down.
873
01:01:46,586 --> 01:01:48,000
We sail into harm's way.
874
01:01:48,103 --> 01:01:51,896
We do what no other
organization does.
875
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,413
The high seas are kind
of the last frontier.
876
01:02:02,517 --> 01:02:04,965
It's still the wild
west out there.
877
01:02:05,068 --> 01:02:07,862
It's largely unregulated.
878
01:02:07,965 --> 01:02:09,896
And for unscrupulous
operators,
879
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,172
there's a lot of
opportunity to get away
with very serious crime.
880
01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,965
Illegal, unreported,
and unregulated fishing
881
01:02:22,068 --> 01:02:23,655
is a focus for
sea Shepherd
882
01:02:23,758 --> 01:02:27,275
because overfishing is
such a massive problem.
883
01:03:02,517 --> 01:03:04,551
Hammarstedt: We're losing
sharks very rapidly.
884
01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:06,206
We're absolutely critical.
885
01:03:06,310 --> 01:03:08,862
And if you take sharks
out of the equation,
886
01:03:08,965 --> 01:03:10,965
it affects everything below.
887
01:03:11,068 --> 01:03:15,965
And that's why we are running
out of time very, very quickly.
888
01:03:20,034 --> 01:03:21,896
Hammarstedt:
About 4 years ago,
889
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,206
this vessel found
the most notorious
890
01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:25,724
poaching vessel
in the world,
891
01:03:25,827 --> 01:03:27,551
a ship called
"the thunder."
892
01:03:27,655 --> 01:03:29,482
Good afternoon, "thunder."
893
01:03:29,586 --> 01:03:31,379
This is "Bob barker."
894
01:03:31,482 --> 01:03:33,827
You are fishing illegally.
895
01:03:40,344 --> 01:03:44,724
Hammarstedt: Chased it
across 3 oceans.
896
01:03:44,827 --> 01:03:46,275
10,000 miles.
897
01:03:48,206 --> 01:03:50,379
Hammarstedt: They're
abandoning ship right now.
898
01:03:50,482 --> 01:03:53,793
Say we're standing by
to assist in any way.
899
01:03:53,896 --> 01:03:57,379
We're putting a boat in
the water to recover them.
900
01:04:00,862 --> 01:04:02,793
Man: It's going down.
901
01:04:06,655 --> 01:04:09,482
Hammarstedt: I believe that
the ship was intentionally sunk
902
01:04:09,586 --> 01:04:12,655
to destroy evidence
of illegal fishing.
903
01:04:22,793 --> 01:04:25,758
We try to see where
there are areas of need
904
01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:27,655
where we stand our ground
905
01:04:27,758 --> 01:04:29,827
and use our resources
to help countries
906
01:04:29,931 --> 01:04:32,206
fight back against poachers
907
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:34,758
who have plundered those
places for way too long.
908
01:04:34,862 --> 01:04:36,482
That's why we're in Liberia,
909
01:04:36,586 --> 01:04:38,448
because it's organized
criminal syndicates
910
01:04:38,551 --> 01:04:40,896
that are profiting from this.
911
01:04:59,517 --> 01:05:02,517
[Indistinct chatter]
912
01:05:07,034 --> 01:05:09,413
Roth: So you represent
the cooperative
913
01:05:09,517 --> 01:05:11,482
of the union
of fishermen.
Yeah.
914
01:05:11,586 --> 01:05:13,413
What was it like before?Like before...
915
01:05:24,241 --> 01:05:26,241
At one point your canoe was hit
by one of these boats?
916
01:05:26,344 --> 01:05:27,620
Yeah.
917
01:05:31,724 --> 01:05:34,137
You were in your boat,
like a canoe like that?
918
01:05:34,241 --> 01:05:35,931
Huge boat just comes
right in front.
919
01:05:36,034 --> 01:05:38,000
Yeah, yeah.
920
01:05:38,103 --> 01:05:40,275
Wow.
921
01:05:40,379 --> 01:05:42,517
So you know which company
did it, or which company--
922
01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:44,482
[indistinct]
923
01:05:46,034 --> 01:05:49,551
What happened to them?
Nothing?
924
01:05:51,517 --> 01:05:53,068
And they would just
run into your boat.
925
01:05:53,172 --> 01:05:54,413
Just run into your boat.
926
01:05:54,517 --> 01:05:57,000
And would you try
and talk to them?
927
01:06:02,482 --> 01:06:04,275
Oh, yes.
928
01:06:04,379 --> 01:06:06,862
So the vessels, you guys
get close up there,
929
01:06:06,965 --> 01:06:09,000
and they're burning you.
930
01:06:14,413 --> 01:06:17,137
Are there sharks
in the water here?
931
01:06:21,413 --> 01:06:24,344
And now there's
just nothing.
932
01:06:34,793 --> 01:06:38,241
And what about today, when
they're getting catches?
933
01:06:43,172 --> 01:06:45,000
And now it's just small.
934
01:06:55,758 --> 01:06:58,068
How long do they
think to regrow?
935
01:07:02,758 --> 01:07:04,655
But it's all been
wiped out now.
936
01:07:04,758 --> 01:07:07,620
Wow.
937
01:07:12,137 --> 01:07:14,172
Hammarstedt: When the trawlers
steal from Liberia,
938
01:07:14,275 --> 01:07:17,793
they're stealing from
people in a place like
robertsport.
939
01:07:17,896 --> 01:07:20,275
You've got wealthy
fishing boats
940
01:07:20,379 --> 01:07:22,482
from some of the wealthiest
parts of the world
941
01:07:22,586 --> 01:07:25,344
stealing from people
in some of the poorest
parts of the world.
942
01:07:36,448 --> 01:07:37,862
Roth: Tell me about
the "labiko 2."
943
01:07:37,965 --> 01:07:41,068
The "labiko 2" is
a notorious poacher.
944
01:07:41,172 --> 01:07:44,379
It's on 3 international
blacklists.
945
01:07:44,482 --> 01:07:46,965
It was part of a fleet
of about 50 ships
946
01:07:47,068 --> 01:07:50,206
that absolutely plundered
the north Atlantic.
947
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:52,034
In just a matter of years,
948
01:07:52,137 --> 01:07:56,172
the deep-sea shark
populations there
fell to about 10%.
949
01:07:56,275 --> 01:07:58,413
The fishing vessels
then went to India,
950
01:07:58,517 --> 01:08:00,551
wiped out the deep-sea
sharks there,
951
01:08:00,655 --> 01:08:03,241
went to east Africa, did
the same thing there.
952
01:08:03,344 --> 01:08:05,655
And then since then
nobody's seen these boats.
953
01:08:05,758 --> 01:08:07,344
They disappeared.
954
01:08:07,448 --> 01:08:09,724
Until we assisted
the Liberian coast guard
955
01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:12,034
to arrest the "labiko 2."
956
01:08:49,172 --> 01:08:52,137
Roth: The coast guard
are going on first.
957
01:08:52,241 --> 01:08:54,137
They're gonna secure
the boat.
958
01:08:54,241 --> 01:08:57,206
They've had some
very hostile fishermen.
959
01:09:02,068 --> 01:09:05,482
[Indistinct chatter on ship]
960
01:09:08,241 --> 01:09:10,689
Are they screaming
at the coast guard?
961
01:09:26,448 --> 01:09:28,931
Medan: I don't want you
by yourself, though.
962
01:11:11,689 --> 01:11:13,206
Roth: Wow.
963
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:15,758
So this is it.
964
01:11:15,862 --> 01:11:18,068
Fucking hell.
965
01:11:18,172 --> 01:11:21,137
So take me through
how this works.
966
01:11:21,241 --> 01:11:22,655
The net would
come up here.
967
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:35,517
They take the fins of
these deep-sea sharks.
968
01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:43,517
The livers would be
put into this big tank.
969
01:11:50,068 --> 01:11:53,620
The liver of a shark is
like 42% of its body weight.
970
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,689
Roth: They throw
the livers in there,
but where's it processed?
971
01:12:02,793 --> 01:12:06,413
It actually just kind of
melts inside this tank.
972
01:12:06,517 --> 01:12:08,758
And then it's run through
a system of lines
973
01:12:08,862 --> 01:12:12,689
down into a holding
tank that's below deck.
974
01:12:14,103 --> 01:12:15,862
The lines
come down here,
975
01:12:15,965 --> 01:12:19,482
and this is where the shark
liver oil is discharged.
976
01:12:22,034 --> 01:12:23,965
In a 15- to 18-day trip,
977
01:12:24,068 --> 01:12:27,413
they would produce
about 50 tons
of shark liver oil.
978
01:12:27,517 --> 01:12:31,896
Translates to 66,000
dead sharks.
979
01:12:45,103 --> 01:12:46,931
This is--one of
the most vulnerable
980
01:12:47,034 --> 01:12:50,758
shark species in the world
is being wiped out for
981
01:12:50,862 --> 01:12:55,068
is this bucket of oil that
you're holding in your hand.
982
01:13:00,413 --> 01:13:02,620
And what shark is
this mainly?
983
01:13:02,724 --> 01:13:04,620
It's predominantly
leaf scale gulper shark,
984
01:13:04,724 --> 01:13:06,620
which is one of the most
vulnerable sharks.
985
01:13:06,724 --> 01:13:08,310
They're one of the
oldest living sharks.
986
01:13:08,413 --> 01:13:09,931
They live till
they're about 70.
987
01:13:10,034 --> 01:13:12,344
They're very late to
reach sexual maturity,
988
01:13:12,448 --> 01:13:14,413
and that makes them
very vulnerable
to overfishing.
989
01:13:17,793 --> 01:13:21,517
Roth: So this hole gets filled
with shark liver oil.
990
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:23,172
That's overflowing.
991
01:13:23,275 --> 01:13:25,000
You read on these
websites that are like,
992
01:13:25,103 --> 01:13:28,827
we're clean, traceable,
eco-friendly, sustainable.
993
01:13:28,931 --> 01:13:31,413
And you come down here,
and it's literally a dungeon
994
01:13:31,517 --> 01:13:33,275
where they're being
ground into oil,
995
01:13:33,379 --> 01:13:34,758
thrown in the basement,
996
01:13:34,862 --> 01:13:37,413
and then people rub it
in their face.
997
01:13:37,517 --> 01:13:39,310
Is this common
on a lot of boats
998
01:13:39,413 --> 01:13:42,689
to have a plant like
this with the tanks?
999
01:13:42,793 --> 01:13:44,206
Nobody knows. And
that's because people
1000
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:46,068
haven't really known
what to look for.
1001
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,482
A ship like this
produces shark liver oil
1002
01:13:48,586 --> 01:13:50,655
that's used in
omega-3 capsules.
1003
01:13:50,758 --> 01:13:52,965
It produces shark liver oil
1004
01:13:53,068 --> 01:13:56,034
that's used in cosmetics,
face creams, moisturizers.
1005
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:16,689
By buying these products,
you're contributing
to labor situations
1006
01:15:16,793 --> 01:15:20,724
where you've got guys
from very vulnerable
countries economically
1007
01:15:20,827 --> 01:15:23,448
who are being paid
$150 a month,
1008
01:15:23,551 --> 01:15:26,137
they're usually indentured
to crewing agencies
1009
01:15:26,241 --> 01:15:27,655
that keep a lot
of that money.
1010
01:15:27,758 --> 01:15:29,724
They have to fulfill
their contract
1011
01:15:29,827 --> 01:15:31,862
or else they lose
everything.
1012
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:48,068
Hammarstedt: The living
conditions have been abhorrent.
1013
01:15:48,172 --> 01:15:50,482
It looks like a refugee camp.
1014
01:15:53,103 --> 01:15:56,689
The officers who are
from European countries
or who are from China,
1015
01:15:56,793 --> 01:16:00,620
they live in air-conditioned
indoor accommodation.
1016
01:16:00,724 --> 01:16:03,241
The crew who are predominantly
from African countries
1017
01:16:03,344 --> 01:16:06,000
sleep out on deck
in makeshift tents.
1018
01:16:08,965 --> 01:16:10,931
A boat like this,
had it not been boarded
1019
01:16:11,034 --> 01:16:14,206
by the Liberian coast guard
assisted by us,
1020
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:17,206
it would have gone on
killing sharks for
shark liver oil
1021
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:19,344
into all perpetuity
until the sharks here
1022
01:16:19,448 --> 01:16:22,137
were completely wiped out.
1023
01:16:22,241 --> 01:16:23,620
How is this allowed?
1024
01:16:23,724 --> 01:16:25,241
Nobody really had eyes
on the ships.
1025
01:16:25,344 --> 01:16:27,241
The ships weren't
really reporting back.
1026
01:16:27,344 --> 01:16:30,482
They operate under
shrouds of secrecy.
1027
01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,724
Where are the sharks
now on this boat?
1028
01:16:33,827 --> 01:16:36,551
There's shark meat
in the ship's freezers.
1029
01:16:36,655 --> 01:16:40,000
[Indistinct chatter]
1030
01:16:59,965 --> 01:17:01,586
Gah. Fuck.
1031
01:17:01,689 --> 01:17:03,310
Medan: It's way below zero.
1032
01:17:03,413 --> 01:17:05,965
Yeah, let's go fast.
1033
01:17:06,068 --> 01:17:08,241
So this is the storage.
1034
01:17:10,413 --> 01:17:12,517
Roth: Shit.
1035
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:13,586
Holy shit.
1036
01:17:13,689 --> 01:17:15,586
Dead hammerheads.
1037
01:17:15,689 --> 01:17:17,724
You see they are finned also?
1038
01:17:17,827 --> 01:17:19,310
Look at all this.
1039
01:17:19,413 --> 01:17:21,793
They were harvesting
about 1,500 of these a day.
1040
01:17:21,896 --> 01:17:24,896
[Grunts]
Fucking shit.
1041
01:17:26,758 --> 01:17:28,965
Medan: There's no reasoning
for this shit.
1042
01:17:29,068 --> 01:17:31,965
Not for medicine,
not for nothing.
1043
01:17:34,241 --> 01:17:35,551
For nonsense.
1044
01:17:35,655 --> 01:17:37,413
For people to rub
in their face.
1045
01:17:37,517 --> 01:17:39,482
[Indistinct chatter]
1046
01:17:43,689 --> 01:17:45,655
Fucking hell.
1047
01:17:45,758 --> 01:17:47,793
If it's getting
dangerous up there,
1048
01:17:47,896 --> 01:17:50,344
let's get the fuck
out of here.
1049
01:18:07,689 --> 01:18:09,413
Wow.
1050
01:18:09,517 --> 01:18:12,000
That was some shit.
1051
01:18:12,103 --> 01:18:14,517
Never seen anything like that.
1052
01:18:36,482 --> 01:18:38,137
Hammarstedt: Vessels
like the "labiko 2"
1053
01:18:38,241 --> 01:18:39,965
are owned by
European interests.
1054
01:18:40,068 --> 01:18:41,931
So that they don't have
to abide by European law,
1055
01:18:42,034 --> 01:18:43,896
they flag to a third party.
1056
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,344
So that's why the "labiko 2"
is a ship flagged to Liberia,
1057
01:18:47,448 --> 01:18:50,137
owned by a company
in Senegal.
1058
01:18:50,241 --> 01:18:52,310
But the documents seized
on board show
1059
01:18:52,413 --> 01:18:54,379
that the real ownership
is in the north of Spain
1060
01:18:54,482 --> 01:18:56,275
to the region of galicia,
1061
01:18:56,379 --> 01:18:59,000
which is a hotbed of
illegal fishing activity.
1062
01:18:59,103 --> 01:19:01,413
So does the e.U. Know this?
Do they go after them?
1063
01:19:01,517 --> 01:19:04,482
The e.U. Subsidizes
these vessels.
1064
01:19:04,586 --> 01:19:07,275
A tremendous amount
of e.U. Money goes
1065
01:19:07,379 --> 01:19:10,793
to European flagged ships
fishing overseas.
1066
01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:28,620
The European Union
that's writing the laws
protecting the sharks
1067
01:19:28,724 --> 01:19:32,413
are also giving money
to the ships that are
stealing the sharks?
1068
01:19:32,517 --> 01:19:35,586
They subsidize fuel,
they subsidize new builds,
1069
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:37,448
uh, constructions of
new ships,
1070
01:19:37,551 --> 01:19:39,724
and they subsidize
the licensing fees,
1071
01:19:39,827 --> 01:19:42,862
because without
the subsidies, it just
couldn't go on at all.
1072
01:19:42,965 --> 01:19:44,448
Is anyone fighting this?
1073
01:19:44,551 --> 01:19:47,206
Has anyone pointed out
this conflict of interest?
1074
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:49,137
There are groups that are
working to point it out,
1075
01:19:49,241 --> 01:19:53,931
but the powers behind it
are so great.
1076
01:19:55,379 --> 01:19:57,724
This is fucking crazy.
1077
01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:29,413
Man: Sharks don't
deliberately eat people.
1078
01:20:29,517 --> 01:20:31,551
When we bring in these
great species
1079
01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:33,275
and we show them to you,
1080
01:20:33,379 --> 01:20:36,034
we are demystifying them.
1081
01:20:36,137 --> 01:20:38,379
We are showing you that they
are great animals.
1082
01:20:38,482 --> 01:20:41,793
And that's what this
tournament represents.
1083
01:20:59,551 --> 01:21:01,724
Phillips: The scientists are
going to cut the shark open.
1084
01:21:01,827 --> 01:21:04,413
That's what we do
in new bedford.
1085
01:21:06,172 --> 01:21:09,620
And so if this is
bothersome to some,
1086
01:21:09,724 --> 01:21:11,551
don't watch.
1087
01:21:15,862 --> 01:21:19,413
These things are
beautiful creatures.
1088
01:21:21,275 --> 01:21:25,344
We gotta make sure
that generations and
generations of people
1089
01:21:25,448 --> 01:21:27,827
can enjoy the generations
and generations
1090
01:21:27,931 --> 01:21:30,517
of these great
pelagic species.
1091
01:21:40,793 --> 01:21:42,206
Woman: When we come
to the tournaments,
1092
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:44,448
we're basically
here to sample fish.
1093
01:21:44,551 --> 01:21:46,724
It gives us samples
from larger fish
1094
01:21:46,827 --> 01:21:48,482
that we normally
wouldn't see.
1095
01:21:48,586 --> 01:21:52,034
And while we're trying as
a scientific community
1096
01:21:52,137 --> 01:21:54,931
to get a lot of nonlethal
techniques for doing
these studies,
1097
01:21:55,034 --> 01:21:56,206
we're not getting the data.
1098
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:57,758
So in a lot of cases,
1099
01:21:57,862 --> 01:21:59,310
for our studies
to be accomplished,
1100
01:21:59,413 --> 01:22:02,068
we have to have
dead animals.
1101
01:22:02,172 --> 01:22:04,344
You want to put
that in a bag?
1102
01:22:07,482 --> 01:22:09,896
We do a dissection
internally
1103
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,034
to look for
reproductive condition.
1104
01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:15,482
We take the
stomach contents
1105
01:22:15,586 --> 01:22:17,586
so we know what
they're eating.
1106
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:19,620
69 for right.
1107
01:22:19,724 --> 01:22:21,551
Phillips: She's measuring
the gonads.
1108
01:22:21,655 --> 01:22:23,275
No, I'm not.
This isn't a gonad.
1109
01:22:23,379 --> 01:22:25,482
Phillips: Another big word.
1110
01:22:25,586 --> 01:22:27,862
This is gonna happen
with us or without us,
1111
01:22:27,965 --> 01:22:30,689
and we feel we might
as well take advantage
of the samples.
1112
01:22:33,103 --> 01:22:36,724
Phillips: Now remember,
this is a competition,
1113
01:22:36,827 --> 01:22:39,862
so we're weighing it
a third time.
1114
01:22:39,965 --> 01:22:43,931
Wait till you see this.
Wait till you see this shark.
1115
01:22:44,034 --> 01:22:47,034
Wait till--
you're gonna love it.
1116
01:22:47,137 --> 01:22:51,724
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
Fish for dinner.
1117
01:22:51,827 --> 01:22:53,413
Natanson: Boy,
that's skinny.
1118
01:22:55,241 --> 01:22:56,965
No, no.
1119
01:22:57,068 --> 01:22:58,724
Phillips: Remember we talked
about the circle hooks.
1120
01:22:58,827 --> 01:23:01,103
See that?
See how it's a circle?
1121
01:23:01,206 --> 01:23:02,931
That always ends up
in the mouth.
1122
01:23:03,034 --> 01:23:06,137
Doesn't end up in
the belly.
1123
01:23:06,241 --> 01:23:08,551
Natanson: There's something
wrong with this fish.
1124
01:23:08,655 --> 01:23:10,793
Did you see the color of it?
1125
01:23:13,413 --> 01:23:16,931
I think there is or was
a foreign body in here.
1126
01:23:17,034 --> 01:23:19,448
See? See that hole right there?
1127
01:23:19,551 --> 01:23:21,551
It might have come
through there.
1128
01:23:23,551 --> 01:23:26,379
Oh, here we go.
Ok. Found it.
1129
01:23:26,482 --> 01:23:27,965
What did you find?
1130
01:23:28,068 --> 01:23:30,827
A hook.
See this hook?
1131
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,896
Right here.
1132
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,620
Roth: So do you think that's
the source of the infection?
1133
01:23:36,724 --> 01:23:38,482
Yeah.
1134
01:23:38,586 --> 01:23:41,655
It's only offset at
that side.
1135
01:23:41,758 --> 01:23:43,413
Roth: What kind of
hook is it?
1136
01:23:43,517 --> 01:23:45,758
It's a circle hook, which is--
which is a legal hook.
1137
01:23:57,379 --> 01:24:01,103
Any way you can get a kid
exposed to sharks,
1138
01:24:01,206 --> 01:24:05,275
it's a little bit of
them that's actually
participating in nature.
1139
01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:08,379
I think of the impact
that that made.
1140
01:24:11,275 --> 01:24:12,931
You look at the teeth here,
1141
01:24:13,034 --> 01:24:15,655
you can see all
the rows of teeth.
1142
01:24:15,758 --> 01:24:18,068
He's dead.
1143
01:24:18,172 --> 01:24:20,413
Phillips: These
kids touched sharks
1144
01:24:20,517 --> 01:24:22,000
that they've never
even heard about
1145
01:24:22,103 --> 01:24:25,344
and that most people
in the world will never see.
1146
01:24:25,448 --> 01:24:27,551
And they've actually
touched it.
1147
01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,965
Roth: They're saying,
oh, it's great
1148
01:24:35,068 --> 01:24:36,965
because these kids will never
get close to a shark.
1149
01:24:37,068 --> 01:24:38,758
Now they can get close
to a shark.
1150
01:24:38,862 --> 01:24:41,620
But is this really how
you want them getting close?
1151
01:24:41,724 --> 01:24:44,379
Parading around these
dead, bloody animals to kids
1152
01:24:44,482 --> 01:24:46,172
and handing out shark teeth
for trivia,
1153
01:24:46,275 --> 01:24:48,310
it's fucking nuts.
1154
01:24:48,413 --> 01:24:51,827
Phillips: That is awesome.
That's a beautiful fish.
1155
01:24:51,931 --> 01:24:54,034
[Applause]
1156
01:24:54,137 --> 01:24:57,724
Look at that.
It's a beautiful organism.
1157
01:25:00,103 --> 01:25:03,068
337! We have a new
first place.
1158
01:25:03,172 --> 01:25:04,551
Give them a hand!
1159
01:25:04,655 --> 01:25:06,724
[Applause]
1160
01:25:06,827 --> 01:25:08,137
Roth: This is
something that goes on
1161
01:25:08,241 --> 01:25:10,413
up and down
the entire east coast,
1162
01:25:10,517 --> 01:25:13,551
and to me it's barbaric
and insane.
1163
01:25:50,586 --> 01:25:53,068
These weren't starving
fishermen.
1164
01:25:54,586 --> 01:25:57,413
These are doctors, lawyers,
businessmen
1165
01:25:57,517 --> 01:25:59,000
that are doing this for fun.
1166
01:25:59,103 --> 01:26:00,448
They're doing this
for bragging rights
1167
01:26:00,551 --> 01:26:02,275
on their Facebook page.
1168
01:26:15,862 --> 01:26:19,034
Roth: Hacking up dead sharks
with saws and machetes
1169
01:26:19,137 --> 01:26:21,517
and talking about how it's for
science and conservation.
1170
01:26:51,551 --> 01:26:53,586
We're processing the fish,
1171
01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:54,862
like we do in new bedford.
1172
01:26:54,965 --> 01:26:56,482
This is what we do here.
1173
01:26:56,586 --> 01:26:58,620
This is--it's a commercial
fishing port.
1174
01:26:58,724 --> 01:27:00,448
We're not finning the fish.
1175
01:27:00,551 --> 01:27:02,689
We're just processing.
1176
01:27:06,034 --> 01:27:07,862
Roth: No, I want people--
people are gonna know,
1177
01:27:07,965 --> 01:27:09,586
it's going to fertilizer.
1178
01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:11,413
Phillips: Finning is horrific.
1179
01:27:11,517 --> 01:27:13,551
You have a live fish,
you cut their fins off,
1180
01:27:13,655 --> 01:27:15,551
and you throw
the rest of the fish away.
1181
01:27:15,655 --> 01:27:19,206
And I'm pretty sure
that some of the fish
that they're finning,
1182
01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:21,034
some of the sharks
they're finning,
1183
01:27:21,137 --> 01:27:23,551
you don't really eat anything
on the shark except the fin.
1184
01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:47,000
Woman: In 2011,
The Bahamas officially
1185
01:27:47,103 --> 01:27:49,172
became a shark sanctuary.
1186
01:27:49,275 --> 01:27:52,000
About 10% of our
marine environment is
currently protected,
1187
01:27:52,103 --> 01:27:54,551
and that's about
12.5 million acres.
1188
01:27:54,655 --> 01:27:58,206
When we decided to pass
the shark sanctuary act,
1189
01:27:58,310 --> 01:28:01,068
it was just a matter
of simply amending our
fisheries regulation,
1190
01:28:01,172 --> 01:28:03,689
because there was
nothing in it at the time
that addressed sharks.
1191
01:28:03,793 --> 01:28:06,000
Tell me about the benefit
of protecting sharks,
1192
01:28:06,103 --> 01:28:08,896
what it did for your economy,
what it did for tourism here.
1193
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,931
People started coming
here specifically
1194
01:28:11,034 --> 01:28:12,758
to do shark-related
activities.
1195
01:28:12,862 --> 01:28:16,586
So we've actually seen
a little over, in 20 years,
1196
01:28:16,689 --> 01:28:18,827
about $800 million
generated
1197
01:28:18,931 --> 01:28:21,551
through shark-related tourism,
which is great.
1198
01:28:21,655 --> 01:28:23,724
You know, one reef shark
over its lifetime
1199
01:28:23,827 --> 01:28:25,758
can be worth about $250,000,
1200
01:28:25,862 --> 01:28:27,758
just on that one reef alive.
1201
01:28:27,862 --> 01:28:29,310
That's how popular it is
to come here.
1202
01:28:29,413 --> 01:28:31,344
So our reef sharks
are very valuable. So.
1203
01:28:31,448 --> 01:28:33,413
We tend to like them alive
more than not.
1204
01:28:33,517 --> 01:28:35,586
More than dead.
1205
01:28:47,586 --> 01:28:50,068
Roth: How long have
you been taking people
shark diving?
1206
01:28:50,172 --> 01:28:52,448
Over 10 years now.
1207
01:28:52,551 --> 01:28:54,137
How many dives roughly?
1208
01:28:54,241 --> 01:28:56,793
Thousands. Thousands.
1209
01:28:56,896 --> 01:28:58,482
Has a shark ever
attacked a customer?
1210
01:28:58,586 --> 01:29:00,965
No. No, a shark
has never gone
1211
01:29:01,068 --> 01:29:03,137
and intentionally tried
to get someone.
1212
01:29:03,241 --> 01:29:05,620
They don't hold vendettas.
They don't get angry.
1213
01:29:05,724 --> 01:29:07,517
Has anyone lost
a limb or an arm
1214
01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:09,068
or anything
crazy like that?
1215
01:29:09,172 --> 01:29:11,931
Not in shark diving, no.
Not that I know of, no.
1216
01:29:12,034 --> 01:29:16,379
But it's just one of
those animals, man.
1217
01:29:16,482 --> 01:29:19,172
So much tolerance for us.
No tolerance for them.
1218
01:29:19,275 --> 01:29:21,344
Nothing. It's crazy.
1219
01:29:28,931 --> 01:29:31,482
Romeiro: 10 years ago,
people thought this was nuts.
1220
01:29:31,586 --> 01:29:33,620
Well, the truth is,
1221
01:29:33,724 --> 01:29:35,275
sharks are not really
going after us,
1222
01:29:35,379 --> 01:29:37,379
and we've been able to
keep people safe.
1223
01:29:54,793 --> 01:29:57,172
Roth, narrating: Being under
water after all that death
1224
01:29:57,275 --> 01:29:59,379
felt like a celebration of life.
1225
01:30:05,586 --> 01:30:08,413
I was so happy that
they were alive.
1226
01:30:08,517 --> 01:30:10,344
And I just kept thinking,
1227
01:30:10,448 --> 01:30:12,310
"don't leave The Bahamas,
please stay here.
1228
01:30:12,413 --> 01:30:14,000
You're protected here."
1229
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:19,551
Roth: How difficult is it to
protect what is protected?
1230
01:30:19,655 --> 01:30:22,000
Bahamians are very on board
for marine protection.
1231
01:30:22,103 --> 01:30:24,034
The one concern
that usually comes up
1232
01:30:24,137 --> 01:30:26,172
is that they don't want
their livelihoods affected.
1233
01:30:26,275 --> 01:30:28,034
We had to kind of
explain to them,
1234
01:30:28,137 --> 01:30:29,689
it's all about ensuring
that the fisheries you have
1235
01:30:29,793 --> 01:30:31,517
are being managed
sustainably
1236
01:30:31,620 --> 01:30:33,310
so that you do have them
for years to come.
1237
01:30:33,413 --> 01:30:35,068
I think the number-one
thing that really connected
1238
01:30:35,172 --> 01:30:36,931
with the people was the
education and awareness
1239
01:30:37,034 --> 01:30:38,482
about why sharks
are important
1240
01:30:38,586 --> 01:30:40,620
and why finning
and fishing
1241
01:30:40,724 --> 01:30:42,413
for sharks
is not a good idea.
1242
01:30:42,517 --> 01:30:44,137
You understand that what
they're doing for the ocean
1243
01:30:44,241 --> 01:30:46,068
and for us ultimately is
actually really good.
1244
01:30:46,172 --> 01:30:47,862
I just feel like
everyone in the world
1245
01:30:47,965 --> 01:30:50,172
should look at this model
and imitate it.
1246
01:30:50,275 --> 01:30:52,172
For sure.
1247
01:31:00,586 --> 01:31:02,482
Roth, narrating: On this
journey, I got to meet
1248
01:31:02,586 --> 01:31:04,379
a number of amazing activists,
1249
01:31:04,482 --> 01:31:07,344
people fighting hard
to protect sharks.
1250
01:31:09,551 --> 01:31:11,482
Woman: Myself and my team
of marine biologists,
1251
01:31:11,586 --> 01:31:13,448
we go out to collect data
on shark behavior,
1252
01:31:13,551 --> 01:31:15,413
and we bring the general
public along with us
1253
01:31:15,517 --> 01:31:18,758
and then dive in without a cage
and meet sharks eye to eye
1254
01:31:18,862 --> 01:31:21,482
to see just how incredible
they really are.
1255
01:31:23,448 --> 01:31:25,241
Sharks swim past
surfers, swimmers,
1256
01:31:25,344 --> 01:31:27,586
and divers all day every day,
and it's so rare
1257
01:31:27,689 --> 01:31:29,862
that they ever make
a mistaken identity bite.
1258
01:31:29,965 --> 01:31:31,689
And it's really a unique thing
1259
01:31:31,793 --> 01:31:33,344
because there's not
too many predators
1260
01:31:33,448 --> 01:31:36,931
that you can just kind of
cruise along with.
1261
01:31:37,034 --> 01:31:40,448
Man: My goal was to
undo what "jaws" did
1262
01:31:40,551 --> 01:31:42,724
and show the personalities
of these sharks.
1263
01:31:42,827 --> 01:31:45,758
So I had a company that
makes all the movie posters
1264
01:31:45,862 --> 01:31:49,793
make me this 6-foot, 4x4
smiling shark, not teeth,
1265
01:31:49,896 --> 01:31:51,448
and me and a couple other people
1266
01:31:51,551 --> 01:31:53,103
went all over the world
and we put 'em up.
1267
01:31:53,206 --> 01:31:54,724
People would be driving
and sort of like,
1268
01:31:54,827 --> 01:31:56,206
"what is that?"
Until I got arrested.
1269
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:58,137
For doing it.
1270
01:31:58,241 --> 01:32:01,068
Muller: I do a lot of work
with children's hospitals.
1271
01:32:01,172 --> 01:32:03,655
These kids that are
in bed that are never
gonna see the ocean,
1272
01:32:03,758 --> 01:32:05,172
and they're in so much pain.
1273
01:32:05,275 --> 01:32:06,827
When you put the vr
goggles on them,
1274
01:32:06,931 --> 01:32:09,206
it hacks their brain.
1275
01:32:10,758 --> 01:32:12,482
They're not only
out of pain,
1276
01:32:12,586 --> 01:32:14,344
they're experiencing something
that they're never, ever
1277
01:32:14,448 --> 01:32:16,172
gonna get the opportunity
to experience.
1278
01:32:19,551 --> 01:32:21,137
Worm: We know that this
environment is very rapidly
1279
01:32:21,241 --> 01:32:23,034
changing due to change
in climate.
1280
01:32:23,137 --> 01:32:25,000
So we wan to keep on top of
what the sharks are doing,
1281
01:32:25,103 --> 01:32:27,827
and we do that by tagging
them with a small pinger.
1282
01:32:27,931 --> 01:32:30,413
And then we close it up
and the shark goes back in.
1283
01:32:30,517 --> 01:32:32,344
It gives us signals
every couple seconds,
1284
01:32:32,448 --> 01:32:35,000
and we can find out
about their movements.
1285
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,068
Roth, narrating: Thanks
to advanced technology,
1286
01:32:40,172 --> 01:32:43,448
conservation ngos
are innovating new ways
1287
01:32:43,551 --> 01:32:45,655
to protect our oceans
and marine life
1288
01:32:45,758 --> 01:32:48,827
from the threats of
illegal fishing.
1289
01:32:48,931 --> 01:32:51,965
Oceana and the Leonardo
DiCaprio foundation
1290
01:32:52,068 --> 01:32:54,172
have partnered with Google
and skytruth
1291
01:32:54,275 --> 01:32:56,827
to launch global
fishing watch,
1292
01:32:56,931 --> 01:32:59,413
a free app that uses
1293
01:32:59,517 --> 01:33:02,482
advanced satellite technology
and data collection
1294
01:33:02,586 --> 01:33:07,034
to track commercial fishing
boats all over the globe.
1295
01:33:07,137 --> 01:33:10,068
Pirate fishing vessels
will now have a tougher time
1296
01:33:10,172 --> 01:33:11,689
hiding in the shadows,
1297
01:33:11,793 --> 01:33:14,724
thanks to these high-tech
conservation efforts.
1298
01:33:14,827 --> 01:33:17,172
And local governments
across the globe
1299
01:33:17,275 --> 01:33:19,034
will be able to use
this resource
1300
01:33:19,137 --> 01:33:21,413
to fight back against
illegal fishing
1301
01:33:21,517 --> 01:33:25,724
and cultivate healthy,
abundant oceans.
1302
01:33:25,827 --> 01:33:28,931
These efforts are
just starting to pay off.
1303
01:33:29,034 --> 01:33:30,793
Woman: When
the buying stops...
1304
01:33:30,896 --> 01:33:32,206
Crowd: When
the buying stops.
1305
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:33,862
Woman: The killing
will, too.
1306
01:33:33,965 --> 01:33:35,206
Roth, narrating: People
all over the world
1307
01:33:35,310 --> 01:33:36,724
are joining the fight.
1308
01:33:36,827 --> 01:33:38,586
Crowd: Rights.
Rights for great whites.
1309
01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:41,137
Leave the sharks alone.
1310
01:33:41,241 --> 01:33:42,862
Roth, narrating:
But it's not enough.
1311
01:33:42,965 --> 01:33:45,517
So much more needs to be done.
1312
01:33:49,241 --> 01:33:52,965
Because sharks are being killed
at an unsustainable rate.
1313
01:33:55,137 --> 01:33:59,000
Stokes: An ocean without
sharks is a very, very
scary thought.
1314
01:33:59,103 --> 01:34:00,724
Once you remove
all those sharks,
1315
01:34:00,827 --> 01:34:03,448
everything else
will go into anarchy.
1316
01:34:20,344 --> 01:34:22,448
Roth, narrating: Since you
started watching this film,
1317
01:34:22,551 --> 01:34:26,000
an estimated 30,000 sharks
have been killed.
1318
01:34:28,103 --> 01:34:31,137
But this is not over.
The fight has just begun.
1319
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,413
Roth, narrating: There's
no one villain or solution.
1320
01:34:35,517 --> 01:34:38,655
Everyone has to recognize
their part in the problem
1321
01:34:38,758 --> 01:34:40,931
and work together
to change the behavior
1322
01:34:41,034 --> 01:34:43,482
before it's too late.
1323
01:35:01,172 --> 01:35:03,620
Imagine this ocean
without sharks.
1324
01:35:03,724 --> 01:35:05,896
What would it be?
1325
01:35:44,413 --> 01:35:47,482
How's the diving here?Amazing.
1326
01:36:14,172 --> 01:36:16,448
Stokes: February 3, 2020,
Hong Kong.
1327
01:36:16,551 --> 01:36:18,344
We're in the height
of the coronavirus.
1328
01:36:18,448 --> 01:36:21,482
The shark fin traders are drying
shark fins on the streets
1329
01:36:21,586 --> 01:36:26,034
for everybody to cough, sneeze,
and do whatever else on it.
1330
01:36:26,137 --> 01:36:27,620
Unbelievable.
1331
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:42,413
Roth: Have you been
threatened by any
of the mafia triads,
1332
01:36:42,517 --> 01:36:44,241
organized crime?
1333
01:36:44,344 --> 01:36:46,413
No, I've just had some
funny phone calls, you know.
1334
01:36:46,517 --> 01:36:48,620
But, you know, whatever,
who cares.
1335
01:36:48,724 --> 01:36:50,586
They're just losers.
Not scared of them.
1336
01:36:56,137 --> 01:36:58,413
Hofford: Maxim's,
stop shark fin!
1337
01:36:58,517 --> 01:37:00,413
Crowd: Maxim's,
stop shark fin!
1338
01:37:00,517 --> 01:37:04,551
When the buying stops,
the killing will, too.
1339
01:37:12,517 --> 01:37:13,862
Roth: One thing
that struck me
1340
01:37:13,965 --> 01:37:16,137
about the "Bob barker,"
I felt old.
1341
01:37:16,241 --> 01:37:17,931
No, really fucking old.
1342
01:37:18,034 --> 01:37:20,793
I mean, these kids are
like, 18, 20, 22, 24.
1343
01:37:20,896 --> 01:37:22,551
I feel very
under-tattooed.
1344
01:37:22,655 --> 01:37:24,965
I feel like that's one
of the qualifications.
1345
01:37:25,305 --> 01:38:25,475
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