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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 -== [ www.OpenSubtitles.org ] ==- 2 00:01:55,551 --> 00:01:58,310 [Indistinct chatter] 3 00:02:23,413 --> 00:02:25,413 Wow. 4 00:02:25,517 --> 00:02:28,931 So this is it. 5 00:02:29,034 --> 00:02:32,586 Tell me about what they found on this boat. 6 00:02:34,689 --> 00:02:36,931 Man: This vessel came here to Liberia 7 00:02:37,034 --> 00:02:39,931 with a long line fishing license. 8 00:02:42,551 --> 00:02:44,344 What they were doing was using gillnets 9 00:02:44,448 --> 00:02:45,931 that are prohibited by law 10 00:02:46,034 --> 00:02:48,344 because they're so particularly destructive. 11 00:02:49,655 --> 00:02:52,034 The primary catch was shark. 12 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:22,689 We refer to them as the galician mafia 13 00:03:22,793 --> 00:03:24,965 because they're fishing syndicates involved 14 00:03:25,068 --> 00:03:26,551 in other types of criminal activity, 15 00:03:26,655 --> 00:03:28,344 which makes them criminal syndicates 16 00:03:28,448 --> 00:03:31,000 that are involved in this kind of business. 17 00:03:32,448 --> 00:03:34,896 [Indistinct chatter] 18 00:03:55,965 --> 00:03:59,172 Oh, that's fucking cold. 19 00:03:59,275 --> 00:04:01,413 Agh. 20 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,965 Man: Watch your step. It's very slippery. 21 00:04:12,448 --> 00:04:13,931 Holy shit. 22 00:04:14,034 --> 00:04:16,275 Yeah. Look here. 23 00:04:16,379 --> 00:04:19,000 Here, look there. Look. 24 00:04:19,103 --> 00:04:21,517 Holy shit. 25 00:04:24,241 --> 00:04:27,586 Look at all this. It's all fin. 26 00:05:26,482 --> 00:05:28,827 [Panting] 27 00:05:32,586 --> 00:05:35,689 Roth, narrating: Growing up, I was obsessed with scary movies. 28 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:43,827 And the rush of horror films. 29 00:05:46,862 --> 00:05:49,241 I started making movies. 30 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:50,758 And I said, "I want to be a director. 31 00:05:50,862 --> 00:05:53,068 This is what I want to do forever." 32 00:05:54,413 --> 00:05:56,517 Oh! 33 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:58,241 This is all I want to do. 34 00:05:58,344 --> 00:06:00,931 [Chainsaw buzzing, man screams] 35 00:06:01,034 --> 00:06:02,620 I want to be the one pushing the button 36 00:06:02,724 --> 00:06:03,862 that shocks the audience. 37 00:06:06,379 --> 00:06:08,034 Aah! 38 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:11,482 Roth, narrating: Growing up, nothing scared me 39 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:13,206 more than sharks. 40 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:15,586 And that was all because of one film-- 41 00:06:15,689 --> 00:06:17,172 "jaws." 42 00:06:17,275 --> 00:06:20,310 Man on film: A mindless eating machine. 43 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:22,413 Roth, narrating: I was terrified of sharks, 44 00:06:22,517 --> 00:06:24,758 but also fascinated by them. 45 00:06:26,758 --> 00:06:29,931 Hi, there. It's me again. Eli roth. 46 00:06:30,034 --> 00:06:32,379 I'm at the house of Gabriel asner, 47 00:06:32,482 --> 00:06:34,241 and I'm going to interview him. 48 00:06:34,344 --> 00:06:35,620 Gabriel? 49 00:06:35,724 --> 00:06:38,000 What's your name? Gabriel. 50 00:06:38,103 --> 00:06:39,758 Roth: The head of discovery asked, 51 00:06:39,862 --> 00:06:40,931 "have you ever hosted a talk show?" 52 00:06:41,034 --> 00:06:42,482 I'm like, "no, 53 00:06:42,586 --> 00:06:44,310 but I think I was born to be a talk show host." 54 00:06:44,413 --> 00:06:45,827 He goes, "you'd be great for 'shark after dark.'" 55 00:06:45,931 --> 00:06:50,137 [people screaming] 56 00:06:50,241 --> 00:06:53,344 I'm your host Eli roth, welcome to "shark after dark," 57 00:06:53,448 --> 00:06:55,517 our late night show with shark week experts, 58 00:06:55,620 --> 00:06:57,551 interviews, clips, and plenty of conversation. 59 00:06:57,655 --> 00:07:00,862 You lost your arm and a leg to a bull shark in 2009, 60 00:07:00,965 --> 00:07:03,586 and now you are an advocate for their conservation. 61 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:06,413 Very few people actually get eaten by a shark. 62 00:07:06,517 --> 00:07:08,379 They always come, they take a bite, 63 00:07:08,482 --> 00:07:10,620 and then they take off when they realize that you're not food. 64 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:20,068 Roth: The craziest thing I learned 65 00:07:20,172 --> 00:07:23,000 was that without sharks, the planet can die. 66 00:07:23,103 --> 00:07:25,206 Sharks are doctors of the sea. 67 00:07:25,310 --> 00:07:29,620 When they're not there, diseases turn into epidemics. 68 00:07:41,827 --> 00:07:44,068 Man: They've been around long before mammals 69 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:46,758 or other fish or even dinosaurs came on the scene. 70 00:07:58,793 --> 00:08:01,137 Oceans touch every one of us 71 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:03,758 and the life of every one of us in many ways. 72 00:08:05,586 --> 00:08:07,862 Every second breath we take comes from the ocean 73 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:09,655 because 50% of the world's oxygen 74 00:08:09,758 --> 00:08:11,206 is produced by phytoplankton. 75 00:08:11,310 --> 00:08:13,068 So the ocean is still a major part 76 00:08:13,172 --> 00:08:15,344 of our life support system today. 77 00:08:15,448 --> 00:08:19,655 Sharks shape these ecosystems over the evolutionary history. 78 00:08:19,758 --> 00:08:23,103 Sharks act much like the police on land. 79 00:08:23,206 --> 00:08:25,413 Once in a while they eat something, 80 00:08:25,517 --> 00:08:27,655 most of the time, they scare everything. 81 00:08:29,448 --> 00:08:31,793 And they keep certain species out of certain habitats 82 00:08:31,896 --> 00:08:33,620 where those species could do damage. 83 00:08:33,724 --> 00:08:35,344 So the sharks are restoring 84 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:37,103 some kind of balance to the ecosystem 85 00:08:37,206 --> 00:08:39,310 when they're pressed. 86 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:45,000 When sharks are taken away, we see that balance change. 87 00:08:51,379 --> 00:08:55,000 And we see large negative changes in the ecosystems 88 00:08:55,103 --> 00:08:58,103 that often cannot be reversed easily. 89 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,068 Roth: Discovery said to me, "do you want to go for a shark dive? 90 00:09:12,172 --> 00:09:13,620 "I bet we can do that. We can film it 91 00:09:13,724 --> 00:09:15,413 and make it part of 'shark after dark.'" 92 00:09:15,517 --> 00:09:17,517 and I was like, "are you kidding me? 93 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:19,551 My whole life I've wanted to do that." 94 00:09:22,724 --> 00:09:26,241 I was nervous. I was scared. 95 00:09:26,344 --> 00:09:29,827 But it's truly amazing when you can face your fears, 96 00:09:29,931 --> 00:09:32,965 because you realize how much of it is just in your head. 97 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:45,034 Roth, narrating: For me, this happened in the waters of The Bahamas. 98 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,034 I learned to stop fearing sharks. 99 00:10:00,482 --> 00:10:03,137 I could not believe how social they were. 100 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:10,517 They were curious, shy, intelligent animals. 101 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:12,068 Some were friendlier than others. 102 00:10:15,689 --> 00:10:18,275 It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. 103 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,724 Roth, narrating: They were the most beautiful animal I had ever seen. 104 00:10:23,827 --> 00:10:25,551 I couldn't imagine harming 105 00:10:25,655 --> 00:10:28,620 even one of these majestic, intelligent creatures. 106 00:10:28,724 --> 00:10:32,034 Roth: So what do you think is happening to the planet? 107 00:10:32,137 --> 00:10:34,482 What's happening is there's an insatiable demand 108 00:10:34,586 --> 00:10:36,517 for shark fin soup. 109 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:39,551 And they're getting walloped all over. 110 00:10:50,827 --> 00:10:53,896 And which is used for shark fin soup, an Asian delicacy. 111 00:10:57,172 --> 00:10:59,689 The conservative number of sharks killed every year 112 00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:01,275 is 100 million sharks. 113 00:11:03,068 --> 00:11:05,241 For a long time in estimating shark mortality, 114 00:11:05,344 --> 00:11:07,482 we've relied on official figures from the food 115 00:11:07,586 --> 00:11:09,689 and agriculture organization of the United Nations. 116 00:11:38,517 --> 00:11:40,827 Right now we know about 25 species 117 00:11:40,931 --> 00:11:43,137 that are either endangered or critically endangered 118 00:11:43,241 --> 00:11:45,862 which could go extinct within the next decade or two. 119 00:11:45,965 --> 00:11:47,620 The special problem with shark finning is 120 00:11:47,724 --> 00:11:49,000 everybody can do it. 121 00:11:54,137 --> 00:11:57,965 Small artisanal boats off Baja, California and Mexico can do it. 122 00:11:58,068 --> 00:12:00,172 Everybody is part of this. 123 00:12:10,137 --> 00:12:12,689 Roth: Sharks are a difficult subject 124 00:12:12,793 --> 00:12:15,172 because of the perception that sharks are these monsters 125 00:12:15,275 --> 00:12:16,724 that want to eat us. 126 00:12:16,827 --> 00:12:19,413 [Woman screaming] 127 00:12:19,517 --> 00:12:22,034 I want to help change the conversation. 128 00:12:25,068 --> 00:12:26,655 I'm not a scientist. 129 00:12:26,758 --> 00:12:29,344 I'm not a doctor. I'm not a marine biologist. 130 00:12:29,448 --> 00:12:32,068 But I am someone who loves sharks, 131 00:12:32,172 --> 00:12:34,275 and I care about the ocean. 132 00:12:34,379 --> 00:12:37,034 And I want to understand what's happening to it. 133 00:12:45,862 --> 00:12:48,620 Roth, narrating: I'm traveling the world to find out. 134 00:13:07,137 --> 00:13:08,586 No matter how uncomfortable, 135 00:13:08,689 --> 00:13:11,344 dangerous, or upsetting it gets... 136 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,413 I have to expose the truth. 137 00:13:41,758 --> 00:13:44,034 [Speaking Spanish] 138 00:13:46,586 --> 00:13:49,793 Roth: Oh, shit. He's right there. 139 00:13:49,896 --> 00:13:51,379 That's a mako? 140 00:13:59,517 --> 00:14:01,172 Ok? 141 00:14:01,275 --> 00:14:03,862 [Man speaking Spanish] 142 00:14:07,448 --> 00:14:09,482 [Speaking Spanish] 143 00:14:14,206 --> 00:14:15,551 Roth: Can we let it go? 144 00:14:18,758 --> 00:14:20,103 Is he gonna kill it? 145 00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:21,517 [Woman speaking Spanish] 146 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:23,000 Can we pay for it? 147 00:14:23,103 --> 00:14:25,724 Can we pay for it and let it live? 148 00:14:25,827 --> 00:14:27,862 [Gasps] 149 00:14:59,206 --> 00:15:00,586 [Thud] 150 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,413 It's the worst thing I've ever seen. 151 00:15:32,379 --> 00:15:34,896 [Flies buzzing] 152 00:15:57,896 --> 00:16:00,103 [Speaking Spanish] 153 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:58,896 Roth: How many sharks a year 154 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,275 can a small fishing community take out of the water? 155 00:17:09,655 --> 00:17:12,862 500 sharks? From 4 boats? 156 00:17:12,965 --> 00:17:14,517 Yeah. 157 00:17:34,172 --> 00:17:38,586 Roth: Are they aware that they're depleting the shark population? 158 00:18:07,344 --> 00:18:09,793 [Seagulls cry] 159 00:18:22,448 --> 00:18:24,034 You just pulled a baby out? 160 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:26,413 Yeah. 161 00:18:28,793 --> 00:18:30,586 Oh, my god. 162 00:18:30,689 --> 00:18:33,586 [Speaking Spanish] 163 00:18:44,172 --> 00:18:46,793 Roth: You look at it and you think, it's a fish, it's a fish. 164 00:18:46,896 --> 00:18:48,724 And then they slice open the stomach 165 00:18:48,827 --> 00:18:51,000 and there's babies that are probably 2 or 3 weeks away 166 00:18:51,103 --> 00:18:53,137 from coming out in the world. 167 00:18:54,862 --> 00:18:56,344 That was a mother. 168 00:18:56,448 --> 00:18:58,068 That was a mother feeding her kids. 169 00:18:58,172 --> 00:19:01,655 I don't care what species it is. 170 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:09,103 In one hook they killed 9 sharks. 171 00:19:13,413 --> 00:19:15,655 May to August is the breeding season, 172 00:19:15,758 --> 00:19:18,448 but here we are in the middle of April, 173 00:19:18,551 --> 00:19:21,758 and they killed a pregnant shark. 174 00:19:21,862 --> 00:19:24,931 How is the population ever gonna survive? 175 00:19:25,034 --> 00:19:27,137 [Flies buzzing] 176 00:19:39,758 --> 00:19:42,206 Man: Sharks are biologically different than fish. 177 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:44,172 When fish reproduce, what they do is they-- 178 00:19:44,275 --> 00:19:49,413 the males will release millions of sperm into water column 179 00:19:49,517 --> 00:19:51,448 and females will move millions of eggs. 180 00:19:51,551 --> 00:19:53,172 They mix together 181 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:56,000 and create millions of little eggs and larvae. 182 00:19:58,068 --> 00:20:01,965 Sharks are different. Males and females mate. 183 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:04,758 Females have long gestation times. 184 00:20:04,862 --> 00:20:07,551 Some sharks are pregnant for over 3 years. 185 00:20:07,655 --> 00:20:10,482 And when they give birth to either eggs or live young, 186 00:20:10,586 --> 00:20:14,482 it might take several years again before they reproduce. 187 00:20:14,586 --> 00:20:16,655 Worm: Sharks are a little bit like us. 188 00:20:16,758 --> 00:20:18,689 They mature late in their life, 189 00:20:18,793 --> 00:20:21,137 between 10, 20, sometimes 30 years of age. 190 00:20:21,241 --> 00:20:23,448 They have few offspring like us. 191 00:20:23,551 --> 00:20:26,275 And they're slow to recover from any large mortality event 192 00:20:26,379 --> 00:20:27,965 because they never had to. 193 00:20:28,068 --> 00:20:30,517 When you're top predator, you don't have to evolve 194 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,965 the ability to withstand extra mortality, 195 00:20:33,068 --> 00:20:34,448 much like people. 196 00:20:34,551 --> 00:20:36,206 Now people are the top predators 197 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:38,655 and sharks are the underdogs. 198 00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:54,068 Roth: You can't blame the fishermen 199 00:20:54,172 --> 00:20:56,137 for trying to make a living. 200 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:01,931 But this is happening every day. 201 00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:08,275 We're killing them, slaughtering them, 202 00:21:08,379 --> 00:21:11,137 ripping their fins off, and for what? 203 00:21:13,034 --> 00:21:15,517 This is for soup at a wedding. 204 00:21:17,758 --> 00:21:20,689 It's crazy. 205 00:21:24,137 --> 00:21:26,413 [Flies buzzing] 206 00:21:29,482 --> 00:21:32,896 Nowadays a good quality fin would be like 207 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,689 a smooth hammerhead or a hammerhead, 208 00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:37,620 they pay like 700 pesos, setecientos pesos. 209 00:21:37,724 --> 00:21:41,827 [Man speaking Spanish]Or a thousand pesos per kilo. 210 00:21:44,517 --> 00:21:45,793 How long do they dry them out? 211 00:21:45,896 --> 00:21:47,206 For 10 days. 212 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:52,137 Why is that?[Speaking Spanish] 213 00:21:55,379 --> 00:21:59,068 Because this has a fiber inside, so it's a cartilage. 214 00:21:59,172 --> 00:22:01,275 People just eat the cartilage? 215 00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:03,965 Yeah, in a shark fin soup. 216 00:22:04,068 --> 00:22:06,689 How much do they know about it? 217 00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:15,103 So it's a Chinese company in Tijuana? 218 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:19,344 Do we know what that company is? 219 00:22:19,448 --> 00:22:21,448 [Speaking Spanish] 220 00:22:33,448 --> 00:22:36,413 Domingo: I never take out the fin topic in the very beginning. 221 00:22:36,517 --> 00:22:39,000 Most of them are really afraid to talk about it. 222 00:22:39,103 --> 00:22:41,241 Is that because they know something's wrong? 223 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:44,482 I think that they know there is a big market for it 224 00:22:44,586 --> 00:22:46,448 and normally that market, it's black. 225 00:22:46,551 --> 00:22:49,965 But in fact, what they are doing, it's not illegal. 226 00:22:50,068 --> 00:22:52,931 It's the starting point of a whole chain. 227 00:23:06,965 --> 00:23:08,517 Roth: This can't continue. 228 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:10,896 There will be nothing left in the ocean. 229 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,034 There will be nothing left for these people. 230 00:23:48,275 --> 00:23:50,275 I've heard about Hong Kong my whole life. 231 00:23:50,379 --> 00:23:54,275 It's kind of sad that it took sharks to get me here, 232 00:23:54,379 --> 00:23:55,965 but I'm glad I made it. 233 00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:12,689 [Ship horn blows] 234 00:24:24,206 --> 00:24:25,586 Man: Hey, Eli. 235 00:24:25,689 --> 00:24:27,931 How are you, mate? 236 00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:31,137 Good to see you. All right. 237 00:24:31,241 --> 00:24:32,413 We're good to go. 238 00:24:32,517 --> 00:24:34,482 Let's do it, buddy. 239 00:24:39,586 --> 00:24:42,034 So this is ground zero for the shark trade. 240 00:24:42,137 --> 00:24:44,448 Yep, this is where more than 50% 241 00:24:44,551 --> 00:24:47,034 of the world's shark fin passes through. 242 00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:54,068 Stokes, voice-over: Basically you have over 83 countries 243 00:24:54,172 --> 00:24:56,586 that are shipping shark fin into Hong Kong. 244 00:24:58,551 --> 00:25:01,206 We're talking like 17,000-plus tons 245 00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:03,689 a year coming through here. 246 00:25:06,689 --> 00:25:08,862 It comes into here, 247 00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:11,758 and then most of it goes across the border into China. 248 00:25:11,862 --> 00:25:14,620 I first started off really as an ocean lover. 249 00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:17,137 I, you know, grew up in the mediterranean diving. 250 00:25:18,413 --> 00:25:20,862 Seeing the eradication of our oceans 251 00:25:20,965 --> 00:25:23,689 got me on the road to my activism. 252 00:25:23,793 --> 00:25:26,758 Further down the line, joined sea Shepherd. 253 00:25:26,862 --> 00:25:30,068 Sea Shepherd is a marine conservation organization 254 00:25:30,172 --> 00:25:33,689 set up in 1977 by captain Paul Watson. 255 00:25:36,517 --> 00:25:40,482 My main role with sea Shepherd over here in Hong Kong 256 00:25:40,586 --> 00:25:45,310 has been exposing and investigating the shark fin trade. 257 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:47,172 One of the biggest misconceptions 258 00:25:47,275 --> 00:25:49,275 is that shark fin is illegal, 259 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:52,310 and in reality, it is actually legal. 260 00:25:54,103 --> 00:25:57,517 What we are actually trying to do is find the illegality, 261 00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:59,758 trying to find these endangered species 262 00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:02,827 that are actually being smuggled in with the other fins. 263 00:26:02,931 --> 00:26:04,724 That's when it becomes illegal. 264 00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:07,068 [Ship horn blows] 265 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:13,344 Over here we've got the main container port for Hong Kong. 266 00:26:13,448 --> 00:26:14,896 Ok. 267 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,482 Being such a major port, 268 00:26:17,586 --> 00:26:20,206 we see tens of thousands of containers 269 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:21,896 coming through every single week. 270 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 But the thing to note is, 271 00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:27,172 there's no customs check, per se. 272 00:26:27,275 --> 00:26:30,137 It's not like an airport where you have to go through customs. 273 00:26:31,724 --> 00:26:33,793 Sadly, Hong Kong can only inspect 274 00:26:33,896 --> 00:26:36,241 less than one percent of containers. 275 00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:39,344 Most actually arriving, nobody even checks them, 276 00:26:39,448 --> 00:26:41,172 nobody knows what's inside them. 277 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:46,241 The customs base their inspections on priority. 278 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:49,137 But when it comes listed as dried seafood, 279 00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:50,862 it is not a priority. 280 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:52,724 So you can stick anything in a container, 281 00:26:52,827 --> 00:26:54,275 label it dried seafood, 282 00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:56,275 and the chances are of it getting to Hong Kong 283 00:26:56,379 --> 00:26:58,551 without even being inspected. 284 00:26:59,965 --> 00:27:02,103 Look at how many containers are on there, 285 00:27:02,206 --> 00:27:06,482 and how can customs in any form actually manage that? 286 00:27:06,586 --> 00:27:09,137 We have one of the most advanced container ports 287 00:27:09,241 --> 00:27:11,482 in the world here, and it handles so much, 288 00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:14,931 but how can it physically check every box? 289 00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:20,000 Roth: What percentage of the sharks being brought into Hong Kong 290 00:27:20,103 --> 00:27:22,620 would you say are illegal endangered sharks? 291 00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:25,551 Surveys and research that scientists 292 00:27:25,655 --> 00:27:27,965 have been doing by taking samples around the markets, 293 00:27:28,068 --> 00:27:29,862 checking the DNA, we're looking at around 294 00:27:29,965 --> 00:27:33,103 25% of the entire market here is from 295 00:27:33,206 --> 00:27:37,551 endangered or cites listed illegal sharks. 296 00:27:38,862 --> 00:27:43,206 Worm: Cites is the convention on international trade on endangered species, 297 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:46,827 and it regulates the international trade of species 298 00:27:46,931 --> 00:27:49,482 such as elephants and rhinos and tigers 299 00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:51,413 and sharks more recently. 300 00:27:51,517 --> 00:27:54,793 So when a species is listed under appendix one of cites, 301 00:27:54,896 --> 00:27:56,931 it cannot be traded internationally. 302 00:27:57,034 --> 00:27:59,000 If it is listed under appendix two, 303 00:27:59,103 --> 00:28:01,275 it can't be traded if a country can demonstrate 304 00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:04,000 that the species is thriving and doing well 305 00:28:04,103 --> 00:28:06,620 in their particular jurisdiction. 306 00:28:06,724 --> 00:28:08,724 Right now, almost a dozen species 307 00:28:08,827 --> 00:28:10,965 of sharks are listed under cites 308 00:28:11,068 --> 00:28:13,034 or under consideration for listing under cites, 309 00:28:13,137 --> 00:28:15,620 meaning they are at that point where 310 00:28:15,724 --> 00:28:17,413 they're immediately threatened with extinction 311 00:28:17,517 --> 00:28:19,344 and we have to curb international trade 312 00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:21,724 with these species in order to save them. 313 00:28:21,827 --> 00:28:23,482 But one of the problems with cites is 314 00:28:23,586 --> 00:28:25,827 the species listed can still be legally caught 315 00:28:25,931 --> 00:28:28,896 in any one country unless other regulations exist. 316 00:28:30,827 --> 00:28:33,413 Finning is very low tech. You just cut the fins off, 317 00:28:33,517 --> 00:28:36,310 you dry them in the sun, and they keep for years. 318 00:28:36,413 --> 00:28:38,620 So it's really hard to assess where they come from. 319 00:28:38,724 --> 00:28:42,517 Illegal fins are finding their ways to traders 320 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:44,724 that then bring them over to east Asia. 321 00:28:44,827 --> 00:28:48,000 It's the dark trade that we can't see, we can't regulate, 322 00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:49,896 we don't have any data for. 323 00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:53,931 Why was Hong Kong the number one spot 324 00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:55,413 in the world for shark fins? 325 00:28:55,517 --> 00:28:57,137 Hundreds of years ago, the shark fin 326 00:28:57,241 --> 00:28:58,620 was the dish of the emperor. 327 00:28:58,724 --> 00:29:01,103 It was served at the emperor's banquet. 328 00:29:02,517 --> 00:29:04,034 Around the sixties, 329 00:29:04,137 --> 00:29:06,758 it suddenly became an idea that people put 330 00:29:06,862 --> 00:29:09,241 onto wedding banquets to show how wealthy you were 331 00:29:09,344 --> 00:29:11,034 and how successful you were. 332 00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:13,206 And there's different stories of where it started, 333 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:15,896 but there was two hotels that suddenly started 334 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,620 putting it on their wedding banquets. 335 00:29:17,724 --> 00:29:19,068 Have your wedding banquet here, 336 00:29:19,172 --> 00:29:20,620 you could eat like the emperor. 337 00:29:20,724 --> 00:29:22,586 So this is something from the last 50 years, 338 00:29:22,689 --> 00:29:23,758 the shark fin soup.Yeah. 339 00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:25,206 But the big problem is 340 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:26,724 just across the border in China, 341 00:29:26,827 --> 00:29:28,103 you've got a massive population 342 00:29:28,206 --> 00:29:29,620 who are just finding new wealth. 343 00:29:29,724 --> 00:29:32,068 They all want to be like the emperor. 344 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:35,551 Gorgeous photo done where it's all golden looking 345 00:29:35,655 --> 00:29:38,758 and shiny and rich and fancy graphics, 346 00:29:38,862 --> 00:29:40,551 and it looks expensive. 347 00:29:40,655 --> 00:29:42,482 And yet the insanity is, 348 00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:44,068 I could put it next to the picture 349 00:29:44,172 --> 00:29:46,241 of where it really came from. 350 00:29:46,344 --> 00:29:47,689 These shark fin traders are just-- 351 00:29:47,793 --> 00:29:49,413 they are having the last laugh. 352 00:30:00,172 --> 00:30:04,551 This is the insanity of the marketing industry 353 00:30:04,655 --> 00:30:06,620 behind the shark fin industry. 354 00:30:06,724 --> 00:30:09,206 You are taking something that has 355 00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:13,034 just been skankily dried in a gutter. 356 00:30:15,586 --> 00:30:17,586 This is what I call gutter food. 357 00:30:17,689 --> 00:30:20,241 It's lying there in a gutter next to dog shit, 358 00:30:20,344 --> 00:30:23,689 next to cigarette butts, rat poison. 359 00:30:23,793 --> 00:30:27,655 What if we put posters of a billboard of shark fins 360 00:30:27,758 --> 00:30:30,137 next to dog shit around Hong Kong 361 00:30:30,241 --> 00:30:31,965 and said, "this is what you're eating"? 362 00:30:32,068 --> 00:30:34,379 That's something I'm actually working on at the moment. 363 00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:37,896 I saw the photos that you took 364 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,793 of 40,000 some-odd fins on a rooftop. 365 00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,448 Tell me about how that happened. 366 00:30:43,551 --> 00:30:45,275 So that was actually just over here 367 00:30:45,379 --> 00:30:47,034 on this building here where the yellow thing is, 368 00:30:47,137 --> 00:30:48,482 just behind that. 369 00:30:48,586 --> 00:30:50,793 I actually got a tip-off on new years day 370 00:30:50,896 --> 00:30:52,620 very early in the morning. 371 00:30:52,724 --> 00:30:54,758 I called our head office in the states, 372 00:30:54,862 --> 00:30:57,000 got permission, chartered a helicopter. 373 00:31:05,551 --> 00:31:07,482 Jump into the cameras. 374 00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:13,448 We're talking an insane amount of shark fins. 375 00:31:14,896 --> 00:31:17,172 We literally run up onto the roof. 376 00:31:17,275 --> 00:31:19,413 Shoot, shoot, shoot. 377 00:31:19,517 --> 00:31:22,724 It was actually an old Chinese couple with straw hats, 378 00:31:22,827 --> 00:31:24,275 and they were just on the roof 379 00:31:24,379 --> 00:31:25,965 just turning the fins over. 380 00:31:26,068 --> 00:31:28,103 And you don't know what time you've got 381 00:31:28,206 --> 00:31:30,344 before a load of other people turn up. 382 00:31:30,448 --> 00:31:33,758 I was worried about me being the only guy on the roof. 383 00:31:33,862 --> 00:31:35,206 Some angry traders, yeah.On an abandoned rooftop. 384 00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:37,137 Angry people.Yeah. Someone might slip. 385 00:31:37,241 --> 00:31:38,793 And falling off the roof. You know? 386 00:31:40,793 --> 00:31:44,310 We've seen the massive decline in shark populations. 387 00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:47,000 It's been literally since the 1960s. 388 00:31:47,103 --> 00:31:49,310 Because of soup.Because of the soup. 389 00:31:50,931 --> 00:31:53,172 [Indistinct chatter] 390 00:32:02,896 --> 00:32:04,896 Hi. Hey. 391 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,137 Hi, Eli. 392 00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:07,517 How are you?Very well. 393 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:08,931 Pleasure. 394 00:32:09,034 --> 00:32:11,172 Hi, how are you?This is chef to. 395 00:32:11,275 --> 00:32:13,689 Nice to meet you. 396 00:32:13,793 --> 00:32:16,206 Tell me, how does, uh, how does it work? 397 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,344 [Speaking Chinese] 398 00:32:40,655 --> 00:32:44,241 Roth: Ahh, ok. 399 00:32:44,344 --> 00:32:46,482 And that rehydrates it? Yes. 400 00:32:46,586 --> 00:32:50,241 It'll sit in the ice bath for [speaking Chinese]. 401 00:32:50,344 --> 00:32:51,931 Overnight. 402 00:32:52,034 --> 00:32:54,827 So afterwards you get, uh, to this stage. 403 00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:57,137 This is the finished product. 404 00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:59,206 So do you clean-- is it cleaned before, 405 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:00,862 or it just comes like that? 406 00:33:00,965 --> 00:33:05,724 Well, I mean, fins generally are pretty, uh, clean. 407 00:33:05,827 --> 00:33:08,000 [Speaking Chinese] 408 00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:12,000 Yeah. These are really pristine. 409 00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:18,310 Woman: Shark fin is discolored. 410 00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,137 And it also has a very strong smell. 411 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:26,965 To make it more appealing for somebody to eat, 412 00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:29,482 they'll strip the skin off 413 00:33:29,586 --> 00:33:31,896 and start vigorously scrubbing it. 414 00:33:33,172 --> 00:33:35,000 To get rid of the smell 415 00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:36,724 and to get rid of that yellowing, 416 00:33:36,827 --> 00:33:38,413 unappealing texture, 417 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:41,793 they have to use strong chemicals such as bleach. 418 00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:45,862 What you're eating is not pure shark cartilage. 419 00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:49,000 You're eating toxic chemicals. 420 00:33:52,551 --> 00:33:55,206 [Speaking Chinese] 421 00:33:59,551 --> 00:34:01,965 Roth: So what's he doing now? 422 00:34:05,103 --> 00:34:06,758 What is superior broth? 423 00:34:21,448 --> 00:34:23,482 It's outdated. 424 00:34:33,793 --> 00:34:37,344 What do they put in the fake shark fin soup? 425 00:34:40,931 --> 00:34:43,000 Ok.[to speaking Chinese] 426 00:34:53,379 --> 00:34:55,965 This feels like jelly.It is. 427 00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:04,482 It's calcium. 428 00:35:04,586 --> 00:35:07,655 Other than the thickness, they feel exactly the same. 429 00:35:07,758 --> 00:35:10,034 Yeah, this doesn't smell at all. 430 00:35:10,137 --> 00:35:12,103 Seriously, go, go, go take a bite. 431 00:35:12,206 --> 00:35:13,689 Of this. 432 00:35:13,793 --> 00:35:14,689 No, 433 00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:23,103 This has no taste. 434 00:35:30,689 --> 00:35:32,724 How are you?Man: Good. 435 00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:34,758 So nice to meet you. 436 00:35:36,724 --> 00:35:39,586 We have a lot in common. We love food. 437 00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:42,448 But we also love "riki-oh: The story of Ricky." 438 00:35:42,551 --> 00:35:44,068 [Laughs] 439 00:35:44,172 --> 00:35:45,862 You made "riki-oh." 440 00:35:45,965 --> 00:35:47,517 Yeah. Yeah. 441 00:35:50,068 --> 00:35:52,793 "Riki-oh" is one of the most violent movies ever made. 442 00:35:52,896 --> 00:35:54,241 Oh, yeah. 443 00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:55,517 Uhh! 444 00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,137 Aah!aah! 445 00:35:59,793 --> 00:36:01,413 How did you then become a food critic? 446 00:36:01,517 --> 00:36:04,551 From making films? 447 00:36:04,655 --> 00:36:06,758 It's true. It's a lot nicer to eat. 448 00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:09,827 Here it is. Oh, wow. 449 00:36:09,931 --> 00:36:11,482 Yep. 450 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:14,103 I had a pet pig, so I don't eat ham. 451 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,758 And I love diving with sharks. 452 00:36:15,862 --> 00:36:17,482 So this is literally my worst nightmare 453 00:36:17,586 --> 00:36:19,482 combined into one bowl. 454 00:36:19,586 --> 00:36:22,000 This is like cannibal holocaust. 455 00:36:22,103 --> 00:36:24,448 The great inferno. It's like me eating my friends. 456 00:36:27,724 --> 00:36:29,827 Let me try the fakey. 457 00:36:32,551 --> 00:36:34,172 It's tasty. 458 00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,551 I don't know the difference. I've never had it before. 459 00:36:37,655 --> 00:36:41,413 But this to me tastes kind of like wonton soup. 460 00:36:41,517 --> 00:36:43,172 Ha ha ha! Ok. 461 00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:48,000 The texture, I don't kind of feel or taste anything. 462 00:36:48,103 --> 00:36:49,482 Ok.it's kind of fun. 463 00:36:49,586 --> 00:36:51,000 And chewy a little bit. 464 00:36:51,103 --> 00:36:55,310 And now the shark fin soup. 465 00:37:07,344 --> 00:37:10,586 If I'm being honest, it tastes exactly the same. 466 00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:13,172 It's gooey-er and thicker. 467 00:37:13,275 --> 00:37:14,965 I'm thinking about the animal more. 468 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,241 I can't pretend that this tastes worse than this, 469 00:37:17,344 --> 00:37:19,586 'cause it doesn't, it tastes exactly the same. 470 00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:25,586 Why do people love it? 471 00:37:30,896 --> 00:37:32,517 That's it?That's it. 472 00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:36,586 So this would be, I mean, $100 a bowl or something? 473 00:37:36,689 --> 00:37:38,827 Thereabouts, yeah. They're buying into prestige. 474 00:37:38,931 --> 00:37:41,896 They're buying into a tiny sliver of, 475 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,862 you know, emperor royal history, so to speak. 476 00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:47,551 In america, we do the exact same thing. 477 00:37:47,655 --> 00:37:49,034 It's just human nature.Absolutely. 478 00:37:49,137 --> 00:37:50,896 People want to order the most expensive thing 479 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,724 to show they can afford it and pretend they like it, 480 00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:54,689 even if they don't.Lam: That's it. 481 00:37:54,793 --> 00:37:57,137 Does the older generation think about 482 00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:59,206 sustainability, the environment? 483 00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:01,862 Do they just--or it's... 484 00:38:01,965 --> 00:38:04,206 Fake news, yeah. No. 485 00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:13,241 Roth: Tell me about wildaid and what you guys are doing here. 486 00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:15,689 Wildaid, we're a conservation ngo 487 00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:19,896 that we're focused solely on reducing the demand for endangered species. 488 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,620 So in Hong Kong that primarily means the elephant and the sharks. 489 00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:26,896 We've managed to get the ivory trade banned here in January. 490 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,103 And so now we're fixing our attention firmly on sharks. 491 00:38:30,206 --> 00:38:34,758 You did a campaign that I heard about in the U.S. with yao ming. 492 00:38:34,862 --> 00:38:37,793 Announcer: What if you could see how shark fin soup is made? 493 00:38:37,896 --> 00:38:40,793 Hofford: We had a campaign back in about 2013 494 00:38:40,896 --> 00:38:44,103 calling on the Chinese public to reduce their consumption of shark fin. 495 00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:46,206 When the buying stops...When the buying stops... 496 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:47,586 When the buying stops...The killing can, too. 497 00:38:47,689 --> 00:38:49,448 Can, too.Killing can, too. 498 00:38:49,551 --> 00:38:51,931 Hofford: And so the Chinese government stopped selling 499 00:38:52,034 --> 00:38:54,620 shark fin at official banquets in 2013. 500 00:38:54,724 --> 00:38:56,103 6 months after that happened, 501 00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:57,689 the Hong Kong government also stopped serving 502 00:38:57,793 --> 00:38:59,448 shark fin at all official banquets here. 503 00:38:59,551 --> 00:39:01,413 But it's a huge country, 504 00:39:01,517 --> 00:39:03,931 and even if the consumption is still not as much, 505 00:39:04,034 --> 00:39:06,068 it's still a hell of a lot. 506 00:39:06,172 --> 00:39:09,137 What we're seeing now is that the consumption of shark fin 507 00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:11,724 is actually spreading around China, 508 00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:15,827 places like Cambodia or Southeast Asia, Vietnam. 509 00:39:15,931 --> 00:39:18,310 We're pretty much the only ngo I think, 510 00:39:18,413 --> 00:39:19,862 apart from sea Shepherd, publicly calling 511 00:39:19,965 --> 00:39:22,068 for a shark fin trade ban in Hong Kong. 512 00:39:22,172 --> 00:39:23,827 Scientists have actually determined 513 00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:25,379 that there is no such thing 514 00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:27,034 as sustainable blue shark fisheries. 515 00:39:27,137 --> 00:39:28,586 They can't get them to reproduce fast enough 516 00:39:28,689 --> 00:39:30,000 to keep the trade going. 517 00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:32,137 When you bring that to the ngos, going, 518 00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:36,172 "why are you supporting so-called sustainable fisheries," 519 00:39:36,275 --> 00:39:37,827 what is their response? 520 00:39:37,931 --> 00:39:40,275 I don't want to talk about this on camera. 521 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:42,068 Well, you don't have to name them by name. 522 00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,034 But I'm saying, why wouldn't everyone think the way you do? 523 00:39:44,137 --> 00:39:48,103 Uh, because the fishing industries have got, 524 00:39:48,206 --> 00:39:51,379 you know, pretty long tentacles into the ngo community. 525 00:40:20,413 --> 00:40:21,827 Fishermen are not bad people 526 00:40:21,931 --> 00:40:24,172 that want to empty the oceans out. 527 00:40:29,931 --> 00:40:33,275 They are some of the biggest environmentalists that I know. 528 00:40:33,379 --> 00:40:36,689 The first people that told me about climate change, 529 00:40:36,793 --> 00:40:39,379 the very first people, fishermen. 530 00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:44,344 Man: There's something in this whole notion 531 00:40:44,448 --> 00:40:47,310 that the shark fin soup is bad. 532 00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:50,896 To completely ban the use of fins in the United States 533 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,724 will literally have no effect on the global conservation of sharks. 534 00:41:05,103 --> 00:41:07,275 Hofford: Some of the scientists and the ngos 535 00:41:07,379 --> 00:41:10,241 that are backing the sustainable shark fin trade act 536 00:41:10,344 --> 00:41:14,137 are not really mindful of how big 537 00:41:14,241 --> 00:41:16,758 and how powerful the criminals are in this trade 538 00:41:16,862 --> 00:41:18,379 because it is a hidden trade, 539 00:41:18,482 --> 00:41:20,551 and it only comes to light during seizures. 540 00:41:41,551 --> 00:41:43,413 Hofford: The restaurants in Hong Kong 541 00:41:43,517 --> 00:41:45,137 are just as much a part of the problem. 542 00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:47,931 They have a moral duty to stop selling shark fin. 543 00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:49,931 And that's why we want them to see sharks 544 00:41:50,034 --> 00:41:53,620 within the concept of crime. 545 00:42:09,724 --> 00:42:12,517 Roth: What's so notorious about it? 546 00:42:22,241 --> 00:42:23,758 Stokes: There's the retail market, 547 00:42:23,862 --> 00:42:25,206 mom and pops going in and buying 548 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,655 the odd little bit here and there. 549 00:42:28,758 --> 00:42:30,310 And then there's the wholesale, 550 00:42:30,413 --> 00:42:33,206 where they're coming in and they buy sacks. 551 00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,103 When it comes down to the money, 552 00:42:35,206 --> 00:42:37,103 which is what's driving it all, 553 00:42:37,206 --> 00:42:40,827 we're looking at $380 million just in the fin trade alone, 554 00:42:40,931 --> 00:42:43,206 with over a billion dollars worldwide 555 00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:45,172 in all the shark industries. 556 00:42:45,275 --> 00:42:47,448 But one of the problems is the statistics. 557 00:42:47,551 --> 00:42:50,620 What's being declared is all we know. 558 00:42:50,724 --> 00:42:55,172 How much isn't being declared is just mind-blowing. 559 00:42:55,275 --> 00:42:58,793 We're just gonna go in as curious tourists and have a look. 560 00:42:58,896 --> 00:43:00,931 Just be prepared to be told to get out. 561 00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:03,482 All right. 562 00:43:05,379 --> 00:43:06,896 We have to fake like we're shopping. 563 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,620 What are those? 564 00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:10,241 Want to go in, have a look? Yeah, sure. 565 00:43:10,344 --> 00:43:11,724 Cat loves the sharks.Which is all right. 566 00:43:11,827 --> 00:43:13,586 Those are pectoral fins. Sea horses. 567 00:43:13,689 --> 00:43:15,172 Roth: That looks like coconut. 568 00:43:15,275 --> 00:43:17,827 Man: Get out! Get out! Yeah. 569 00:43:17,931 --> 00:43:20,034 Stokes: Ok, ok, you don't have to push. No push. 570 00:43:20,137 --> 00:43:22,172 Roth: Fish caught in 1987?Stokes: 1987. 571 00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,275 What is that? 572 00:43:24,379 --> 00:43:25,827 Stokes: Can I take photo? 573 00:43:25,931 --> 00:43:27,586 Woman: No, no, no.Just one. Just one. 574 00:43:27,689 --> 00:43:28,862 No, no, no. 575 00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:31,137 No, no, no. 576 00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:32,862 Is that a whale--oh, I was saying, what is that? 577 00:43:32,965 --> 00:43:34,931 [Speaks Chinese] 578 00:43:35,034 --> 00:43:36,896 Ow! Don't do that. 579 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,620 That's not nice. 580 00:43:38,724 --> 00:43:40,551 Don't get run over by a tram. 581 00:43:40,655 --> 00:43:43,241 Oh, yeah, I'll try not to. 582 00:43:43,344 --> 00:43:47,068 Stokes: Obviously you're trying to hide something for your business. 583 00:43:47,172 --> 00:43:48,620 No, none. Done. 584 00:43:48,724 --> 00:43:50,551 Stokes: That is whale shark.It's done. 585 00:43:50,655 --> 00:43:53,344 Why are you closing? Why we cannot see? Why not? 586 00:43:53,448 --> 00:43:55,379 [Speaking Chinese] 587 00:43:55,482 --> 00:43:58,620 Anyone would think they had something to hide. 588 00:44:01,103 --> 00:44:03,448 Cool. Yeah. 589 00:44:09,034 --> 00:44:11,275 Stokes: I don't know this one, I don't think. 590 00:44:11,379 --> 00:44:14,275 Roth: Wow. The smell is strong. 591 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:16,862 They look like candies. 592 00:44:16,965 --> 00:44:19,379 Hello. Hi. 593 00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:22,310 What are these? 594 00:44:22,413 --> 00:44:26,241 Does he know what that-- the big one came from? 595 00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:28,482 Man: Jaws.Roth: Jaws? 596 00:44:28,586 --> 00:44:30,517 Oh, that's from a great white. 597 00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:31,965 Oh. 598 00:44:32,068 --> 00:44:34,103 That's a great white shark fin. 599 00:44:34,206 --> 00:44:35,896 These are all fin, right? 600 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,275 Man: Yeah. 601 00:44:37,379 --> 00:44:39,310 Wow. 602 00:44:39,413 --> 00:44:42,241 This is the closest I've ever gotten to a great white shark. 603 00:44:42,344 --> 00:44:44,206 It's here. It is not for sale. 604 00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:47,517 It is displayed, because, as our friend told us, 605 00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:49,724 great whites are illegal. 606 00:44:49,827 --> 00:44:52,689 But it is completely untraceable. 607 00:44:52,793 --> 00:44:55,689 People with permits or not brought them in. 608 00:44:55,793 --> 00:44:58,482 Stokes: Do you know what type of shark, or? 609 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:02,034 Tiger shark. 610 00:45:02,137 --> 00:45:03,965 And how much is it? 13-- 611 00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:05,448 some are hammerhead, some are tiger. 612 00:45:05,551 --> 00:45:07,379 So what is that one? 613 00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:12,551 Oh. 614 00:45:12,655 --> 00:45:15,000 These are the small hammerheads and big hammerheads. 615 00:45:21,241 --> 00:45:23,137 Stokes: Blue shark?Blue shark? 616 00:45:23,241 --> 00:45:24,724 What are these? 617 00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:28,034 This is like, uh, a kind of blue shark. 618 00:45:28,137 --> 00:45:30,137 Blue shark. And this is also blue shark? 619 00:45:30,241 --> 00:45:31,482 Yeah, blue shark.Stokes: They're all blue. 620 00:45:31,586 --> 00:45:33,379 They're all blue.Blue shark. 621 00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,655 Roth: Ok, what just happened? 622 00:45:38,758 --> 00:45:40,517 So what happened was, that second guy said, 623 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:42,206 no, no, no, these are blue. These are blue. 624 00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:43,793 Blue shark's not protected. 625 00:45:43,896 --> 00:45:46,758 And that's why he changed the narrative, 626 00:45:46,862 --> 00:45:48,344 he heard us talking about hammerhead. 627 00:45:48,448 --> 00:45:50,620 Yeah. Who called him? 628 00:45:50,724 --> 00:45:52,413 Who told him? Who tipped him off we were in there? 629 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,482 You've got a western film crew in one of these shops, 630 00:45:54,586 --> 00:45:56,379 they're all looking in through the doorway. 631 00:45:56,482 --> 00:45:59,379 The second guy has seen me a lot. 632 00:45:59,482 --> 00:46:02,206 Is he now gonna call every other one of his trader friends 633 00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:04,068 and say, "these guys are coming?" 634 00:46:04,172 --> 00:46:06,000 That already happened. 635 00:46:06,103 --> 00:46:08,413 When we were in there filming with the first guy, 636 00:46:08,517 --> 00:46:10,758 that guy got called. That's why he came in. 637 00:46:10,862 --> 00:46:13,551 He's actually with the shark fin association. 638 00:46:13,655 --> 00:46:16,275 He's trying to get their side of the story over, 639 00:46:16,379 --> 00:46:18,482 which is why I played along a little bit with him and tried-- 640 00:46:18,586 --> 00:46:21,206 well, should we try and talk to those guys? 641 00:46:21,310 --> 00:46:23,448 Why not? 642 00:46:32,862 --> 00:46:34,206 Man: He just called back. 643 00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:35,551 They can talk now. Can we do that? 644 00:46:35,655 --> 00:46:36,793 Yes. Yes. Yes, let's go. 645 00:46:36,896 --> 00:46:38,344 Yes. Where? 646 00:46:38,448 --> 00:46:40,551 Man: Go to ivas hotel. 647 00:46:40,655 --> 00:46:43,344 Oh, this could make some good footage. 648 00:46:43,448 --> 00:46:44,551 Have you ever talked to these guys? 649 00:46:44,655 --> 00:46:46,344 They refuse. 650 00:46:46,448 --> 00:46:48,206 This is the first time they're speaking to you? Yeah. 651 00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:49,896 Why do you think they're suddenly doing this? 652 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,896 They want to get their side of the story over. 653 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,068 That's what they want to do. 654 00:46:54,172 --> 00:46:56,275 Let's do this. 655 00:46:56,379 --> 00:46:58,413 [Indistinct chatter] 656 00:47:03,068 --> 00:47:04,586 Thank you. 657 00:47:04,689 --> 00:47:07,068 [Speaking Chinese] 658 00:47:10,241 --> 00:47:15,586 Is there one misconception about China 659 00:47:15,689 --> 00:47:17,551 and the shark industry 660 00:47:17,655 --> 00:47:20,586 that he would like people around the world to know? 661 00:47:20,689 --> 00:47:22,896 [Speaking Chinese] 662 00:47:52,586 --> 00:47:54,896 [Speaking Chinese] 663 00:48:15,517 --> 00:48:18,758 What you're saying is, we're just using the fin, 664 00:48:18,862 --> 00:48:21,137 but the sharks are still in danger. 665 00:48:21,241 --> 00:48:25,000 Right? So forget the demand for shark fin. 666 00:48:25,103 --> 00:48:27,896 Are all the other market, the meat, 667 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,275 the cartilage, the liver oil, 668 00:48:30,379 --> 00:48:32,620 do you think that shark's population 669 00:48:32,724 --> 00:48:34,724 will still continue going down 670 00:48:34,827 --> 00:48:37,241 if we remove the shark fin element? 671 00:48:37,344 --> 00:48:41,620 If we stop the soup, are the sharks still going to get killed? 672 00:48:48,724 --> 00:48:50,206 Roth: I don't know if i'm drinking the kool-aid, 673 00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:52,000 but I listened to those guys, 674 00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:54,172 and everything they said was perfectly reasonable. 675 00:48:54,275 --> 00:48:57,517 This is actually something that I've been hearing, 676 00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:59,482 and we've all been hearing for a long time. 677 00:48:59,586 --> 00:49:03,482 We need to look at all of the products, not just shark fin. 678 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,206 So long as everything else is still carrying on as normal, 679 00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:12,310 what they're saying is 100% true. 680 00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:17,137 They are just using and utilizing the off-cut, technically. 681 00:49:19,137 --> 00:49:22,896 Even though we know the shark fin's the driving force. 682 00:49:27,103 --> 00:49:28,965 Finning, as it was known, 683 00:49:29,068 --> 00:49:31,241 which is the practice of chopping off a fin at sea 684 00:49:31,344 --> 00:49:33,448 and throwing the carcass overboard, 685 00:49:33,551 --> 00:49:35,586 literally still alive. 686 00:49:40,827 --> 00:49:42,896 That was on the long line tuna boats, 687 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,482 because they didn't want to fill the hold 688 00:49:44,586 --> 00:49:48,103 with a big carcass of little value. 689 00:49:52,896 --> 00:49:55,655 They knew that the regulations would come in 690 00:49:55,758 --> 00:49:59,103 when people started seeing the barbaric images. 691 00:50:02,896 --> 00:50:04,896 They were already one step ahead, 692 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,310 which was why the marketeers of the shark fin industry 693 00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:12,137 went around and started really peddling those other industries, 694 00:50:12,241 --> 00:50:14,931 to give value so that the fishermen 695 00:50:15,034 --> 00:50:17,310 would actually land the whole shark. 696 00:50:17,413 --> 00:50:18,965 Now the whole shark had value. 697 00:50:19,068 --> 00:50:20,275 Roth: Wow. 698 00:50:20,379 --> 00:50:22,241 It's a big problem. 699 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,551 Worm: Banning shark finning was an important step 700 00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:43,620 in reducing mortality of sharks and eliminating the cruel 701 00:50:43,724 --> 00:50:46,000 and wasteful practice of cutting off the shark's fins 702 00:50:46,103 --> 00:50:49,034 and then discarding the bodies. 703 00:50:49,137 --> 00:50:51,862 What we found, though, is that this hasn't eliminated 704 00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:54,206 the total mortality of sharks. 705 00:51:21,827 --> 00:51:24,931 [Indistinct chatter] 706 00:51:25,034 --> 00:51:27,137 Now they're sold for their meat, 707 00:51:27,241 --> 00:51:29,000 for their liver oil, 708 00:51:29,103 --> 00:51:33,413 which also goes into cosmetics and food supplements, 709 00:51:33,517 --> 00:51:36,275 for their shark cartilage, which goes into health products. 710 00:51:36,379 --> 00:51:38,413 "Sharks don't get cancer." 711 00:51:38,517 --> 00:51:40,862 That's the title of a controversial book by Dr. William Lane 712 00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:42,896 who holds a phd in biochemistry. 713 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,172 Bill Lane believes there's something in the cartilage of a shark 714 00:51:46,275 --> 00:51:48,206 that stops cancer tumors from growing. 715 00:51:49,551 --> 00:51:52,724 Woman: Shark cartilage got first promoted as an anti-cancer therapy, 716 00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:55,896 and then it kind of exploded because it was profitable. 717 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,862 It created a mythology that said that sharks don't get cancer. 718 00:51:58,965 --> 00:52:01,482 That really is a just a myth that's propagated 719 00:52:01,586 --> 00:52:05,068 by folks that are interested in making the shark products. 720 00:52:05,172 --> 00:52:06,896 Did you know that sharks don't get cancer? 721 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,413 Sharks don't get cancer. 722 00:52:10,137 --> 00:52:12,103 Merly: We know from many cases that have been documented 723 00:52:12,206 --> 00:52:14,344 of sharks both in captivity and in the wild 724 00:52:14,448 --> 00:52:16,965 showing that they had in fact developed tumors. 725 00:52:19,103 --> 00:52:21,482 It's sold as a dietary supplement. 726 00:52:21,586 --> 00:52:23,344 People that are building muscle are told 727 00:52:23,448 --> 00:52:25,344 that it can help them protect their joints. 728 00:52:25,448 --> 00:52:27,241 We tested it on human cells, 729 00:52:27,344 --> 00:52:29,206 and those human cells actually responded 730 00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:31,724 by producing inflammatory mediators, 731 00:52:31,827 --> 00:52:34,586 things that would be entirely counter indicated, 732 00:52:34,689 --> 00:52:37,827 where the underlying pathology is actually inflammation. 733 00:52:39,517 --> 00:52:42,344 You can get a lot of cartilage out of a single shark 734 00:52:42,448 --> 00:52:46,724 because the entire body of the shark is made out of cartilage. 735 00:52:46,827 --> 00:52:48,793 Sharks have really large livers. 736 00:52:48,896 --> 00:52:51,000 You're gonna get an enormous amount of that oil 737 00:52:51,103 --> 00:52:53,241 from a single shark. 738 00:52:57,517 --> 00:52:59,000 So they'll land that shark 739 00:52:59,103 --> 00:53:00,896 even though it's not what they were going after 740 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,068 because they can make some money off of that shark, 741 00:53:03,172 --> 00:53:08,655 whether that's liver oil or cartilage, meat, or fins. 742 00:53:08,758 --> 00:53:11,413 They're incentivizing retaining those sharks. 743 00:53:11,517 --> 00:53:14,827 This is a big issue because it's problematic to consume 744 00:53:14,931 --> 00:53:17,172 large amounts of these animals. 745 00:53:24,896 --> 00:53:28,034 Hammerschlag: The argument for sustainable shark fishing 746 00:53:28,137 --> 00:53:31,482 is that people get to eat the meat and get nutrition from it. 747 00:53:31,586 --> 00:53:34,310 The problem with those arguments is our science is showing 748 00:53:34,413 --> 00:53:38,482 that shark meat and shark fins are not healthy. 749 00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:45,448 Samples taken of shark meat shows 750 00:53:45,551 --> 00:53:47,965 that they have very high levels of Mercury. 751 00:53:48,068 --> 00:53:49,620 That's a neurotoxin to humans 752 00:53:49,724 --> 00:53:52,137 that can result in reproductive failure 753 00:53:52,241 --> 00:53:54,517 or in an extreme level, death. 754 00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:59,000 The fins of sharks actually contain neurotoxins 755 00:53:59,103 --> 00:54:03,034 that are linked with the development of Alzheimer's in humans. 756 00:54:03,137 --> 00:54:06,862 The high levels of Mercury is not coming naturally. 757 00:54:06,965 --> 00:54:13,724 Most of the Mercury is coming from coal fire burning plants. 758 00:54:13,827 --> 00:54:15,655 They're putting the Mercury into the atmosphere, 759 00:54:15,758 --> 00:54:17,344 it's settling in the ocean. 760 00:54:17,448 --> 00:54:19,413 Bacteria take that inorganic form of Mercury, 761 00:54:19,517 --> 00:54:21,275 they convert it to an organic form, 762 00:54:21,379 --> 00:54:23,862 and then small organisms eat that bacteria, 763 00:54:23,965 --> 00:54:25,724 and it gets more concentrated and starts working 764 00:54:25,827 --> 00:54:27,586 its way up the food web to the sharks, 765 00:54:27,689 --> 00:54:31,068 and then we eat sharks, and that's how we get Mercury. 766 00:54:31,172 --> 00:54:33,103 And there's nobody testing this? 767 00:54:33,206 --> 00:54:36,172 There's no--there's no, like, labels or warning--warning, 768 00:54:36,275 --> 00:54:37,655 this contains-- there's nothing? 769 00:54:37,758 --> 00:54:39,241 No. But the thing is, 770 00:54:39,344 --> 00:54:41,827 shark parts sometimes get mislabeled. 771 00:54:41,931 --> 00:54:43,931 They're called other things. 772 00:54:44,034 --> 00:54:46,206 A lot of the meat in the U.S. gets sent 773 00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:48,724 to places like Europe and Canada 774 00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:50,862 and called fish and chips, and it gets fried up. 775 00:54:50,965 --> 00:54:52,448 Fish and chips in Canada? 776 00:54:52,551 --> 00:54:55,000 Or--and in Europe. 777 00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:21,482 Nobody knows this. 778 00:55:21,586 --> 00:55:23,620 Nobody's talking about it. 779 00:55:23,724 --> 00:55:25,206 If you don't care about sharks, 780 00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:28,068 what about the humans that are eating them? 781 00:55:28,172 --> 00:55:31,448 Most sharks can't sustain any level 782 00:55:31,551 --> 00:55:34,413 of reasonable commercial fishing 783 00:55:34,517 --> 00:55:37,241 because they have such a low reproductive output. 784 00:55:37,344 --> 00:55:40,931 People who consume shark parts like meat and fins 785 00:55:41,034 --> 00:55:43,275 are at a health risk. 786 00:55:43,379 --> 00:55:46,448 Building a business based on commercial shark fishing 787 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,275 is like betting on a horse 788 00:55:48,379 --> 00:55:49,689 that you know is gonna lose the race. 789 00:55:52,517 --> 00:55:55,241 One of the things that really does sort of, you know, 790 00:55:55,344 --> 00:55:58,137 it gets me up a bit, is everybody does blame China. 791 00:55:58,241 --> 00:56:00,448 The demand for fins is China. 792 00:56:00,551 --> 00:56:03,931 But it's not the Chinese that are necessarily killing all the sharks. 793 00:56:04,034 --> 00:56:06,413 It's happening everywhere. 794 00:56:06,517 --> 00:56:08,206 Most people don't realize that. 795 00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:09,862 Spain and Indonesia flip 796 00:56:09,965 --> 00:56:12,172 and change the number one spot each year, 797 00:56:12,275 --> 00:56:13,896 but the interesting thing is, 798 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,275 the U.S. is about the seventh biggest exporter 799 00:56:16,379 --> 00:56:18,034 of fins to Hong Kong. 800 00:56:18,137 --> 00:56:20,000 In the U.S. we're killing sharks and sending them here? 801 00:56:20,103 --> 00:56:21,689 Absolutely. 802 00:56:21,793 --> 00:56:23,620 What is it gonna take to stop it? 803 00:56:23,724 --> 00:56:26,551 We need to target the illegal fishing first. Yeah. 804 00:56:26,655 --> 00:56:29,275 There are so many other fishing boats out there 805 00:56:29,379 --> 00:56:32,206 that are just ghost ships. 806 00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:34,172 They're operating under the radar. 807 00:56:34,275 --> 00:56:36,551 These guys are going into people's countries, 808 00:56:36,655 --> 00:56:38,793 they're fishing illegally, and running out. 809 00:56:38,896 --> 00:56:40,965 So they are raping and pillaging. 810 00:56:41,068 --> 00:56:43,689 I want to get on one of those industrial boats. 811 00:56:43,793 --> 00:56:46,413 How difficult is that?Uh, very. 812 00:56:46,517 --> 00:56:47,724 Most of these fishing boats, 813 00:56:47,827 --> 00:56:49,275 they're going out on the high seas, 814 00:56:49,379 --> 00:56:51,034 these huge, big industrial fishing boats. 815 00:56:51,137 --> 00:56:55,965 They're crewed by basically third world slaves. 816 00:56:56,068 --> 00:56:57,827 Some of these boats are going out there, 817 00:56:57,931 --> 00:57:00,068 and they're staying out on the sea for years on end. 818 00:57:00,172 --> 00:57:04,379 And that's where the illegality really rolls into a human impact. 819 00:57:04,482 --> 00:57:06,931 I mean, we are talking human slavery at sea. 820 00:57:09,931 --> 00:57:13,931 One, I don't think you'd be very welcome in the first place. 821 00:57:14,034 --> 00:57:15,689 Two, safety. 822 00:57:15,793 --> 00:57:17,413 You know, fisheries inspectors 823 00:57:17,517 --> 00:57:19,413 that have been placed on these vessels, 824 00:57:19,517 --> 00:57:22,793 they've met with accidents and just disappeared. 825 00:57:22,896 --> 00:57:28,482 We had one famous case just off the west coast of South America. 826 00:57:28,586 --> 00:57:30,655 And it was a U.S. inspector. 827 00:57:30,758 --> 00:57:32,275 Disappeared. 828 00:57:32,379 --> 00:57:34,620 Nobody knows where he went. 829 00:57:35,758 --> 00:57:38,586 And the boat didn't get busted, nothing happened to them? 830 00:57:38,689 --> 00:57:40,275 Accidents happen at sea. 831 00:57:40,379 --> 00:57:41,793 There's an accident or he had a heart attack. 832 00:57:41,896 --> 00:57:43,482 And, well, where's the body? Well-- 833 00:57:43,586 --> 00:57:44,689 he fell over--fell overboard. 834 00:57:44,793 --> 00:57:46,137 This is a huge business, 835 00:57:46,241 --> 00:57:48,586 and when you start meddling with it, 836 00:57:48,689 --> 00:57:50,758 accidents happen. 837 00:57:50,862 --> 00:57:53,689 I want to get on one of those boats. 838 00:59:10,034 --> 00:59:14,586 Two pieces of dried bonefish will cost you 839 00:59:14,689 --> 00:59:17,344 almost $3.00 or $2.00. 840 00:59:17,448 --> 00:59:21,137 Most of our tunas and all the best fish 841 00:59:21,241 --> 00:59:23,206 in the world is taken to Europe. 842 00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:24,931 They make millions of dollars. 843 00:59:25,034 --> 00:59:26,482 The country's not benefiting from any of that. 844 00:59:26,586 --> 00:59:28,551 We're not. 845 00:59:28,655 --> 00:59:31,689 They're stealing from Liberia and taking your best resource, 846 00:59:31,793 --> 00:59:33,827 and the people of Liberia are the ones suffering 847 00:59:33,931 --> 00:59:36,068 while Europeans are getting wealthy from it. 848 00:59:43,172 --> 00:59:44,931 Roth: A lot of people around the world 849 00:59:45,034 --> 00:59:46,724 don't know about illegal fishing 850 00:59:46,827 --> 00:59:49,206 and the decimation of the shark population, 851 00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:51,413 unless you're living in a country like Liberia 852 00:59:51,517 --> 00:59:54,068 where it's directly affecting you. 853 01:00:59,103 --> 01:01:01,344 Hi. Man: Hi. 854 01:01:01,448 --> 01:01:02,620 Eli.welcome aboard. 855 01:01:02,724 --> 01:01:03,620 It's very nice to meet you. 856 01:01:03,724 --> 01:01:04,724 Nice to meet you. 857 01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:06,689 Thank you for having us. 858 01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:09,758 Roth: So tell me about this boat. 859 01:01:09,862 --> 01:01:11,482 Man: Built in 1951. 860 01:01:11,586 --> 01:01:13,862 It was built as a whaling boat. 861 01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:15,413 And then we acquired it 862 01:01:15,517 --> 01:01:17,862 thanks to the generosity of Mr. Bob barker, 863 01:01:17,965 --> 01:01:19,620 who bought the vessel for us. 864 01:01:22,517 --> 01:01:25,275 Welcome to "the price is right." 865 01:01:25,379 --> 01:01:27,275 Hammarstedt: Bob barker's a big philanthropist. 866 01:01:27,379 --> 01:01:30,793 He's a person who has been very supportive of animal causes. 867 01:01:30,896 --> 01:01:32,965 Have your pets spayed or neutered. 868 01:01:33,068 --> 01:01:35,586 Good-bye, everybody. 869 01:01:35,689 --> 01:01:38,344 Hammarstedt: Mr. Barker likes results. 870 01:01:38,448 --> 01:01:42,068 Sea Shepherd is a results-driven organization. 871 01:01:42,172 --> 01:01:43,689 We measure our success 872 01:01:43,793 --> 01:01:46,482 by the number of criminal operations we shut down. 873 01:01:46,586 --> 01:01:48,000 We sail into harm's way. 874 01:01:48,103 --> 01:01:51,896 We do what no other organization does. 875 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,413 The high seas are kind of the last frontier. 876 01:02:02,517 --> 01:02:04,965 It's still the wild west out there. 877 01:02:05,068 --> 01:02:07,862 It's largely unregulated. 878 01:02:07,965 --> 01:02:09,896 And for unscrupulous operators, 879 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,172 there's a lot of opportunity to get away with very serious crime. 880 01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,965 Illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing 881 01:02:22,068 --> 01:02:23,655 is a focus for sea Shepherd 882 01:02:23,758 --> 01:02:27,275 because overfishing is such a massive problem. 883 01:03:02,517 --> 01:03:04,551 Hammarstedt: We're losing sharks very rapidly. 884 01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:06,206 We're absolutely critical. 885 01:03:06,310 --> 01:03:08,862 And if you take sharks out of the equation, 886 01:03:08,965 --> 01:03:10,965 it affects everything below. 887 01:03:11,068 --> 01:03:15,965 And that's why we are running out of time very, very quickly. 888 01:03:20,034 --> 01:03:21,896 Hammarstedt: About 4 years ago, 889 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,206 this vessel found the most notorious 890 01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:25,724 poaching vessel in the world, 891 01:03:25,827 --> 01:03:27,551 a ship called "the thunder." 892 01:03:27,655 --> 01:03:29,482 Good afternoon, "thunder." 893 01:03:29,586 --> 01:03:31,379 This is "Bob barker." 894 01:03:31,482 --> 01:03:33,827 You are fishing illegally. 895 01:03:40,344 --> 01:03:44,724 Hammarstedt: Chased it across 3 oceans. 896 01:03:44,827 --> 01:03:46,275 10,000 miles. 897 01:03:48,206 --> 01:03:50,379 Hammarstedt: They're abandoning ship right now. 898 01:03:50,482 --> 01:03:53,793 Say we're standing by to assist in any way. 899 01:03:53,896 --> 01:03:57,379 We're putting a boat in the water to recover them. 900 01:04:00,862 --> 01:04:02,793 Man: It's going down. 901 01:04:06,655 --> 01:04:09,482 Hammarstedt: I believe that the ship was intentionally sunk 902 01:04:09,586 --> 01:04:12,655 to destroy evidence of illegal fishing. 903 01:04:22,793 --> 01:04:25,758 We try to see where there are areas of need 904 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:27,655 where we stand our ground 905 01:04:27,758 --> 01:04:29,827 and use our resources to help countries 906 01:04:29,931 --> 01:04:32,206 fight back against poachers 907 01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:34,758 who have plundered those places for way too long. 908 01:04:34,862 --> 01:04:36,482 That's why we're in Liberia, 909 01:04:36,586 --> 01:04:38,448 because it's organized criminal syndicates 910 01:04:38,551 --> 01:04:40,896 that are profiting from this. 911 01:04:59,517 --> 01:05:02,517 [Indistinct chatter] 912 01:05:07,034 --> 01:05:09,413 Roth: So you represent the cooperative 913 01:05:09,517 --> 01:05:11,482 of the union of fishermen. Yeah. 914 01:05:11,586 --> 01:05:13,413 What was it like before?Like before... 915 01:05:24,241 --> 01:05:26,241 At one point your canoe was hit by one of these boats? 916 01:05:26,344 --> 01:05:27,620 Yeah. 917 01:05:31,724 --> 01:05:34,137 You were in your boat, like a canoe like that? 918 01:05:34,241 --> 01:05:35,931 Huge boat just comes right in front. 919 01:05:36,034 --> 01:05:38,000 Yeah, yeah. 920 01:05:38,103 --> 01:05:40,275 Wow. 921 01:05:40,379 --> 01:05:42,517 So you know which company did it, or which company-- 922 01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:44,482 [indistinct] 923 01:05:46,034 --> 01:05:49,551 What happened to them? Nothing? 924 01:05:51,517 --> 01:05:53,068 And they would just run into your boat. 925 01:05:53,172 --> 01:05:54,413 Just run into your boat. 926 01:05:54,517 --> 01:05:57,000 And would you try and talk to them? 927 01:06:02,482 --> 01:06:04,275 Oh, yes. 928 01:06:04,379 --> 01:06:06,862 So the vessels, you guys get close up there, 929 01:06:06,965 --> 01:06:09,000 and they're burning you. 930 01:06:14,413 --> 01:06:17,137 Are there sharks in the water here? 931 01:06:21,413 --> 01:06:24,344 And now there's just nothing. 932 01:06:34,793 --> 01:06:38,241 And what about today, when they're getting catches? 933 01:06:43,172 --> 01:06:45,000 And now it's just small. 934 01:06:55,758 --> 01:06:58,068 How long do they think to regrow? 935 01:07:02,758 --> 01:07:04,655 But it's all been wiped out now. 936 01:07:04,758 --> 01:07:07,620 Wow. 937 01:07:12,137 --> 01:07:14,172 Hammarstedt: When the trawlers steal from Liberia, 938 01:07:14,275 --> 01:07:17,793 they're stealing from people in a place like robertsport. 939 01:07:17,896 --> 01:07:20,275 You've got wealthy fishing boats 940 01:07:20,379 --> 01:07:22,482 from some of the wealthiest parts of the world 941 01:07:22,586 --> 01:07:25,344 stealing from people in some of the poorest parts of the world. 942 01:07:36,448 --> 01:07:37,862 Roth: Tell me about the "labiko 2." 943 01:07:37,965 --> 01:07:41,068 The "labiko 2" is a notorious poacher. 944 01:07:41,172 --> 01:07:44,379 It's on 3 international blacklists. 945 01:07:44,482 --> 01:07:46,965 It was part of a fleet of about 50 ships 946 01:07:47,068 --> 01:07:50,206 that absolutely plundered the north Atlantic. 947 01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:52,034 In just a matter of years, 948 01:07:52,137 --> 01:07:56,172 the deep-sea shark populations there fell to about 10%. 949 01:07:56,275 --> 01:07:58,413 The fishing vessels then went to India, 950 01:07:58,517 --> 01:08:00,551 wiped out the deep-sea sharks there, 951 01:08:00,655 --> 01:08:03,241 went to east Africa, did the same thing there. 952 01:08:03,344 --> 01:08:05,655 And then since then nobody's seen these boats. 953 01:08:05,758 --> 01:08:07,344 They disappeared. 954 01:08:07,448 --> 01:08:09,724 Until we assisted the Liberian coast guard 955 01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:12,034 to arrest the "labiko 2." 956 01:08:49,172 --> 01:08:52,137 Roth: The coast guard are going on first. 957 01:08:52,241 --> 01:08:54,137 They're gonna secure the boat. 958 01:08:54,241 --> 01:08:57,206 They've had some very hostile fishermen. 959 01:09:02,068 --> 01:09:05,482 [Indistinct chatter on ship] 960 01:09:08,241 --> 01:09:10,689 Are they screaming at the coast guard? 961 01:09:26,448 --> 01:09:28,931 Medan: I don't want you by yourself, though. 962 01:11:11,689 --> 01:11:13,206 Roth: Wow. 963 01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:15,758 So this is it. 964 01:11:15,862 --> 01:11:18,068 Fucking hell. 965 01:11:18,172 --> 01:11:21,137 So take me through how this works. 966 01:11:21,241 --> 01:11:22,655 The net would come up here. 967 01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:35,517 They take the fins of these deep-sea sharks. 968 01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:43,517 The livers would be put into this big tank. 969 01:11:50,068 --> 01:11:53,620 The liver of a shark is like 42% of its body weight. 970 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,689 Roth: They throw the livers in there, but where's it processed? 971 01:12:02,793 --> 01:12:06,413 It actually just kind of melts inside this tank. 972 01:12:06,517 --> 01:12:08,758 And then it's run through a system of lines 973 01:12:08,862 --> 01:12:12,689 down into a holding tank that's below deck. 974 01:12:14,103 --> 01:12:15,862 The lines come down here, 975 01:12:15,965 --> 01:12:19,482 and this is where the shark liver oil is discharged. 976 01:12:22,034 --> 01:12:23,965 In a 15- to 18-day trip, 977 01:12:24,068 --> 01:12:27,413 they would produce about 50 tons of shark liver oil. 978 01:12:27,517 --> 01:12:31,896 Translates to 66,000 dead sharks. 979 01:12:45,103 --> 01:12:46,931 This is--one of the most vulnerable 980 01:12:47,034 --> 01:12:50,758 shark species in the world is being wiped out for 981 01:12:50,862 --> 01:12:55,068 is this bucket of oil that you're holding in your hand. 982 01:13:00,413 --> 01:13:02,620 And what shark is this mainly? 983 01:13:02,724 --> 01:13:04,620 It's predominantly leaf scale gulper shark, 984 01:13:04,724 --> 01:13:06,620 which is one of the most vulnerable sharks. 985 01:13:06,724 --> 01:13:08,310 They're one of the oldest living sharks. 986 01:13:08,413 --> 01:13:09,931 They live till they're about 70. 987 01:13:10,034 --> 01:13:12,344 They're very late to reach sexual maturity, 988 01:13:12,448 --> 01:13:14,413 and that makes them very vulnerable to overfishing. 989 01:13:17,793 --> 01:13:21,517 Roth: So this hole gets filled with shark liver oil. 990 01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:23,172 That's overflowing. 991 01:13:23,275 --> 01:13:25,000 You read on these websites that are like, 992 01:13:25,103 --> 01:13:28,827 we're clean, traceable, eco-friendly, sustainable. 993 01:13:28,931 --> 01:13:31,413 And you come down here, and it's literally a dungeon 994 01:13:31,517 --> 01:13:33,275 where they're being ground into oil, 995 01:13:33,379 --> 01:13:34,758 thrown in the basement, 996 01:13:34,862 --> 01:13:37,413 and then people rub it in their face. 997 01:13:37,517 --> 01:13:39,310 Is this common on a lot of boats 998 01:13:39,413 --> 01:13:42,689 to have a plant like this with the tanks? 999 01:13:42,793 --> 01:13:44,206 Nobody knows. And that's because people 1000 01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:46,068 haven't really known what to look for. 1001 01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,482 A ship like this produces shark liver oil 1002 01:13:48,586 --> 01:13:50,655 that's used in omega-3 capsules. 1003 01:13:50,758 --> 01:13:52,965 It produces shark liver oil 1004 01:13:53,068 --> 01:13:56,034 that's used in cosmetics, face creams, moisturizers. 1005 01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:16,689 By buying these products, you're contributing to labor situations 1006 01:15:16,793 --> 01:15:20,724 where you've got guys from very vulnerable countries economically 1007 01:15:20,827 --> 01:15:23,448 who are being paid $150 a month, 1008 01:15:23,551 --> 01:15:26,137 they're usually indentured to crewing agencies 1009 01:15:26,241 --> 01:15:27,655 that keep a lot of that money. 1010 01:15:27,758 --> 01:15:29,724 They have to fulfill their contract 1011 01:15:29,827 --> 01:15:31,862 or else they lose everything. 1012 01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:48,068 Hammarstedt: The living conditions have been abhorrent. 1013 01:15:48,172 --> 01:15:50,482 It looks like a refugee camp. 1014 01:15:53,103 --> 01:15:56,689 The officers who are from European countries or who are from China, 1015 01:15:56,793 --> 01:16:00,620 they live in air-conditioned indoor accommodation. 1016 01:16:00,724 --> 01:16:03,241 The crew who are predominantly from African countries 1017 01:16:03,344 --> 01:16:06,000 sleep out on deck in makeshift tents. 1018 01:16:08,965 --> 01:16:10,931 A boat like this, had it not been boarded 1019 01:16:11,034 --> 01:16:14,206 by the Liberian coast guard assisted by us, 1020 01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:17,206 it would have gone on killing sharks for shark liver oil 1021 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:19,344 into all perpetuity until the sharks here 1022 01:16:19,448 --> 01:16:22,137 were completely wiped out. 1023 01:16:22,241 --> 01:16:23,620 How is this allowed? 1024 01:16:23,724 --> 01:16:25,241 Nobody really had eyes on the ships. 1025 01:16:25,344 --> 01:16:27,241 The ships weren't really reporting back. 1026 01:16:27,344 --> 01:16:30,482 They operate under shrouds of secrecy. 1027 01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,724 Where are the sharks now on this boat? 1028 01:16:33,827 --> 01:16:36,551 There's shark meat in the ship's freezers. 1029 01:16:36,655 --> 01:16:40,000 [Indistinct chatter] 1030 01:16:59,965 --> 01:17:01,586 Gah. Fuck. 1031 01:17:01,689 --> 01:17:03,310 Medan: It's way below zero. 1032 01:17:03,413 --> 01:17:05,965 Yeah, let's go fast. 1033 01:17:06,068 --> 01:17:08,241 So this is the storage. 1034 01:17:10,413 --> 01:17:12,517 Roth: Shit. 1035 01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:13,586 Holy shit. 1036 01:17:13,689 --> 01:17:15,586 Dead hammerheads. 1037 01:17:15,689 --> 01:17:17,724 You see they are finned also? 1038 01:17:17,827 --> 01:17:19,310 Look at all this. 1039 01:17:19,413 --> 01:17:21,793 They were harvesting about 1,500 of these a day. 1040 01:17:21,896 --> 01:17:24,896 [Grunts] Fucking shit. 1041 01:17:26,758 --> 01:17:28,965 Medan: There's no reasoning for this shit. 1042 01:17:29,068 --> 01:17:31,965 Not for medicine, not for nothing. 1043 01:17:34,241 --> 01:17:35,551 For nonsense. 1044 01:17:35,655 --> 01:17:37,413 For people to rub in their face. 1045 01:17:37,517 --> 01:17:39,482 [Indistinct chatter] 1046 01:17:43,689 --> 01:17:45,655 Fucking hell. 1047 01:17:45,758 --> 01:17:47,793 If it's getting dangerous up there, 1048 01:17:47,896 --> 01:17:50,344 let's get the fuck out of here. 1049 01:18:07,689 --> 01:18:09,413 Wow. 1050 01:18:09,517 --> 01:18:12,000 That was some shit. 1051 01:18:12,103 --> 01:18:14,517 Never seen anything like that. 1052 01:18:36,482 --> 01:18:38,137 Hammarstedt: Vessels like the "labiko 2" 1053 01:18:38,241 --> 01:18:39,965 are owned by European interests. 1054 01:18:40,068 --> 01:18:41,931 So that they don't have to abide by European law, 1055 01:18:42,034 --> 01:18:43,896 they flag to a third party. 1056 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,344 So that's why the "labiko 2" is a ship flagged to Liberia, 1057 01:18:47,448 --> 01:18:50,137 owned by a company in Senegal. 1058 01:18:50,241 --> 01:18:52,310 But the documents seized on board show 1059 01:18:52,413 --> 01:18:54,379 that the real ownership is in the north of Spain 1060 01:18:54,482 --> 01:18:56,275 to the region of galicia, 1061 01:18:56,379 --> 01:18:59,000 which is a hotbed of illegal fishing activity. 1062 01:18:59,103 --> 01:19:01,413 So does the e.U. Know this? Do they go after them? 1063 01:19:01,517 --> 01:19:04,482 The e.U. Subsidizes these vessels. 1064 01:19:04,586 --> 01:19:07,275 A tremendous amount of e.U. Money goes 1065 01:19:07,379 --> 01:19:10,793 to European flagged ships fishing overseas. 1066 01:19:26,137 --> 01:19:28,620 The European Union that's writing the laws protecting the sharks 1067 01:19:28,724 --> 01:19:32,413 are also giving money to the ships that are stealing the sharks? 1068 01:19:32,517 --> 01:19:35,586 They subsidize fuel, they subsidize new builds, 1069 01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:37,448 uh, constructions of new ships, 1070 01:19:37,551 --> 01:19:39,724 and they subsidize the licensing fees, 1071 01:19:39,827 --> 01:19:42,862 because without the subsidies, it just couldn't go on at all. 1072 01:19:42,965 --> 01:19:44,448 Is anyone fighting this? 1073 01:19:44,551 --> 01:19:47,206 Has anyone pointed out this conflict of interest? 1074 01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:49,137 There are groups that are working to point it out, 1075 01:19:49,241 --> 01:19:53,931 but the powers behind it are so great. 1076 01:19:55,379 --> 01:19:57,724 This is fucking crazy. 1077 01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:29,413 Man: Sharks don't deliberately eat people. 1078 01:20:29,517 --> 01:20:31,551 When we bring in these great species 1079 01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:33,275 and we show them to you, 1080 01:20:33,379 --> 01:20:36,034 we are demystifying them. 1081 01:20:36,137 --> 01:20:38,379 We are showing you that they are great animals. 1082 01:20:38,482 --> 01:20:41,793 And that's what this tournament represents. 1083 01:20:59,551 --> 01:21:01,724 Phillips: The scientists are going to cut the shark open. 1084 01:21:01,827 --> 01:21:04,413 That's what we do in new bedford. 1085 01:21:06,172 --> 01:21:09,620 And so if this is bothersome to some, 1086 01:21:09,724 --> 01:21:11,551 don't watch. 1087 01:21:15,862 --> 01:21:19,413 These things are beautiful creatures. 1088 01:21:21,275 --> 01:21:25,344 We gotta make sure that generations and generations of people 1089 01:21:25,448 --> 01:21:27,827 can enjoy the generations and generations 1090 01:21:27,931 --> 01:21:30,517 of these great pelagic species. 1091 01:21:40,793 --> 01:21:42,206 Woman: When we come to the tournaments, 1092 01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:44,448 we're basically here to sample fish. 1093 01:21:44,551 --> 01:21:46,724 It gives us samples from larger fish 1094 01:21:46,827 --> 01:21:48,482 that we normally wouldn't see. 1095 01:21:48,586 --> 01:21:52,034 And while we're trying as a scientific community 1096 01:21:52,137 --> 01:21:54,931 to get a lot of nonlethal techniques for doing these studies, 1097 01:21:55,034 --> 01:21:56,206 we're not getting the data. 1098 01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:57,758 So in a lot of cases, 1099 01:21:57,862 --> 01:21:59,310 for our studies to be accomplished, 1100 01:21:59,413 --> 01:22:02,068 we have to have dead animals. 1101 01:22:02,172 --> 01:22:04,344 You want to put that in a bag? 1102 01:22:07,482 --> 01:22:09,896 We do a dissection internally 1103 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,034 to look for reproductive condition. 1104 01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:15,482 We take the stomach contents 1105 01:22:15,586 --> 01:22:17,586 so we know what they're eating. 1106 01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:19,620 69 for right. 1107 01:22:19,724 --> 01:22:21,551 Phillips: She's measuring the gonads. 1108 01:22:21,655 --> 01:22:23,275 No, I'm not. This isn't a gonad. 1109 01:22:23,379 --> 01:22:25,482 Phillips: Another big word. 1110 01:22:25,586 --> 01:22:27,862 This is gonna happen with us or without us, 1111 01:22:27,965 --> 01:22:30,689 and we feel we might as well take advantage of the samples. 1112 01:22:33,103 --> 01:22:36,724 Phillips: Now remember, this is a competition, 1113 01:22:36,827 --> 01:22:39,862 so we're weighing it a third time. 1114 01:22:39,965 --> 01:22:43,931 Wait till you see this. Wait till you see this shark. 1115 01:22:44,034 --> 01:22:47,034 Wait till-- you're gonna love it. 1116 01:22:47,137 --> 01:22:51,724 Winner winner, chicken dinner. Fish for dinner. 1117 01:22:51,827 --> 01:22:53,413 Natanson: Boy, that's skinny. 1118 01:22:55,241 --> 01:22:56,965 No, no. 1119 01:22:57,068 --> 01:22:58,724 Phillips: Remember we talked about the circle hooks. 1120 01:22:58,827 --> 01:23:01,103 See that? See how it's a circle? 1121 01:23:01,206 --> 01:23:02,931 That always ends up in the mouth. 1122 01:23:03,034 --> 01:23:06,137 Doesn't end up in the belly. 1123 01:23:06,241 --> 01:23:08,551 Natanson: There's something wrong with this fish. 1124 01:23:08,655 --> 01:23:10,793 Did you see the color of it? 1125 01:23:13,413 --> 01:23:16,931 I think there is or was a foreign body in here. 1126 01:23:17,034 --> 01:23:19,448 See? See that hole right there? 1127 01:23:19,551 --> 01:23:21,551 It might have come through there. 1128 01:23:23,551 --> 01:23:26,379 Oh, here we go. Ok. Found it. 1129 01:23:26,482 --> 01:23:27,965 What did you find? 1130 01:23:28,068 --> 01:23:30,827 A hook. See this hook? 1131 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,896 Right here. 1132 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,620 Roth: So do you think that's the source of the infection? 1133 01:23:36,724 --> 01:23:38,482 Yeah. 1134 01:23:38,586 --> 01:23:41,655 It's only offset at that side. 1135 01:23:41,758 --> 01:23:43,413 Roth: What kind of hook is it? 1136 01:23:43,517 --> 01:23:45,758 It's a circle hook, which is-- which is a legal hook. 1137 01:23:57,379 --> 01:24:01,103 Any way you can get a kid exposed to sharks, 1138 01:24:01,206 --> 01:24:05,275 it's a little bit of them that's actually participating in nature. 1139 01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:08,379 I think of the impact that that made. 1140 01:24:11,275 --> 01:24:12,931 You look at the teeth here, 1141 01:24:13,034 --> 01:24:15,655 you can see all the rows of teeth. 1142 01:24:15,758 --> 01:24:18,068 He's dead. 1143 01:24:18,172 --> 01:24:20,413 Phillips: These kids touched sharks 1144 01:24:20,517 --> 01:24:22,000 that they've never even heard about 1145 01:24:22,103 --> 01:24:25,344 and that most people in the world will never see. 1146 01:24:25,448 --> 01:24:27,551 And they've actually touched it. 1147 01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,965 Roth: They're saying, oh, it's great 1148 01:24:35,068 --> 01:24:36,965 because these kids will never get close to a shark. 1149 01:24:37,068 --> 01:24:38,758 Now they can get close to a shark. 1150 01:24:38,862 --> 01:24:41,620 But is this really how you want them getting close? 1151 01:24:41,724 --> 01:24:44,379 Parading around these dead, bloody animals to kids 1152 01:24:44,482 --> 01:24:46,172 and handing out shark teeth for trivia, 1153 01:24:46,275 --> 01:24:48,310 it's fucking nuts. 1154 01:24:48,413 --> 01:24:51,827 Phillips: That is awesome. That's a beautiful fish. 1155 01:24:51,931 --> 01:24:54,034 [Applause] 1156 01:24:54,137 --> 01:24:57,724 Look at that. It's a beautiful organism. 1157 01:25:00,103 --> 01:25:03,068 337! We have a new first place. 1158 01:25:03,172 --> 01:25:04,551 Give them a hand! 1159 01:25:04,655 --> 01:25:06,724 [Applause] 1160 01:25:06,827 --> 01:25:08,137 Roth: This is something that goes on 1161 01:25:08,241 --> 01:25:10,413 up and down the entire east coast, 1162 01:25:10,517 --> 01:25:13,551 and to me it's barbaric and insane. 1163 01:25:50,586 --> 01:25:53,068 These weren't starving fishermen. 1164 01:25:54,586 --> 01:25:57,413 These are doctors, lawyers, businessmen 1165 01:25:57,517 --> 01:25:59,000 that are doing this for fun. 1166 01:25:59,103 --> 01:26:00,448 They're doing this for bragging rights 1167 01:26:00,551 --> 01:26:02,275 on their Facebook page. 1168 01:26:15,862 --> 01:26:19,034 Roth: Hacking up dead sharks with saws and machetes 1169 01:26:19,137 --> 01:26:21,517 and talking about how it's for science and conservation. 1170 01:26:51,551 --> 01:26:53,586 We're processing the fish, 1171 01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:54,862 like we do in new bedford. 1172 01:26:54,965 --> 01:26:56,482 This is what we do here. 1173 01:26:56,586 --> 01:26:58,620 This is--it's a commercial fishing port. 1174 01:26:58,724 --> 01:27:00,448 We're not finning the fish. 1175 01:27:00,551 --> 01:27:02,689 We're just processing. 1176 01:27:06,034 --> 01:27:07,862 Roth: No, I want people-- people are gonna know, 1177 01:27:07,965 --> 01:27:09,586 it's going to fertilizer. 1178 01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:11,413 Phillips: Finning is horrific. 1179 01:27:11,517 --> 01:27:13,551 You have a live fish, you cut their fins off, 1180 01:27:13,655 --> 01:27:15,551 and you throw the rest of the fish away. 1181 01:27:15,655 --> 01:27:19,206 And I'm pretty sure that some of the fish that they're finning, 1182 01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:21,034 some of the sharks they're finning, 1183 01:27:21,137 --> 01:27:23,551 you don't really eat anything on the shark except the fin. 1184 01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:47,000 Woman: In 2011, The Bahamas officially 1185 01:27:47,103 --> 01:27:49,172 became a shark sanctuary. 1186 01:27:49,275 --> 01:27:52,000 About 10% of our marine environment is currently protected, 1187 01:27:52,103 --> 01:27:54,551 and that's about 12.5 million acres. 1188 01:27:54,655 --> 01:27:58,206 When we decided to pass the shark sanctuary act, 1189 01:27:58,310 --> 01:28:01,068 it was just a matter of simply amending our fisheries regulation, 1190 01:28:01,172 --> 01:28:03,689 because there was nothing in it at the time that addressed sharks. 1191 01:28:03,793 --> 01:28:06,000 Tell me about the benefit of protecting sharks, 1192 01:28:06,103 --> 01:28:08,896 what it did for your economy, what it did for tourism here. 1193 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,931 People started coming here specifically 1194 01:28:11,034 --> 01:28:12,758 to do shark-related activities. 1195 01:28:12,862 --> 01:28:16,586 So we've actually seen a little over, in 20 years, 1196 01:28:16,689 --> 01:28:18,827 about $800 million generated 1197 01:28:18,931 --> 01:28:21,551 through shark-related tourism, which is great. 1198 01:28:21,655 --> 01:28:23,724 You know, one reef shark over its lifetime 1199 01:28:23,827 --> 01:28:25,758 can be worth about $250,000, 1200 01:28:25,862 --> 01:28:27,758 just on that one reef alive. 1201 01:28:27,862 --> 01:28:29,310 That's how popular it is to come here. 1202 01:28:29,413 --> 01:28:31,344 So our reef sharks are very valuable. So. 1203 01:28:31,448 --> 01:28:33,413 We tend to like them alive more than not. 1204 01:28:33,517 --> 01:28:35,586 More than dead. 1205 01:28:47,586 --> 01:28:50,068 Roth: How long have you been taking people shark diving? 1206 01:28:50,172 --> 01:28:52,448 Over 10 years now. 1207 01:28:52,551 --> 01:28:54,137 How many dives roughly? 1208 01:28:54,241 --> 01:28:56,793 Thousands. Thousands. 1209 01:28:56,896 --> 01:28:58,482 Has a shark ever attacked a customer? 1210 01:28:58,586 --> 01:29:00,965 No. No, a shark has never gone 1211 01:29:01,068 --> 01:29:03,137 and intentionally tried to get someone. 1212 01:29:03,241 --> 01:29:05,620 They don't hold vendettas. They don't get angry. 1213 01:29:05,724 --> 01:29:07,517 Has anyone lost a limb or an arm 1214 01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:09,068 or anything crazy like that? 1215 01:29:09,172 --> 01:29:11,931 Not in shark diving, no. Not that I know of, no. 1216 01:29:12,034 --> 01:29:16,379 But it's just one of those animals, man. 1217 01:29:16,482 --> 01:29:19,172 So much tolerance for us. No tolerance for them. 1218 01:29:19,275 --> 01:29:21,344 Nothing. It's crazy. 1219 01:29:28,931 --> 01:29:31,482 Romeiro: 10 years ago, people thought this was nuts. 1220 01:29:31,586 --> 01:29:33,620 Well, the truth is, 1221 01:29:33,724 --> 01:29:35,275 sharks are not really going after us, 1222 01:29:35,379 --> 01:29:37,379 and we've been able to keep people safe. 1223 01:29:54,793 --> 01:29:57,172 Roth, narrating: Being under water after all that death 1224 01:29:57,275 --> 01:29:59,379 felt like a celebration of life. 1225 01:30:05,586 --> 01:30:08,413 I was so happy that they were alive. 1226 01:30:08,517 --> 01:30:10,344 And I just kept thinking, 1227 01:30:10,448 --> 01:30:12,310 "don't leave The Bahamas, please stay here. 1228 01:30:12,413 --> 01:30:14,000 You're protected here." 1229 01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:19,551 Roth: How difficult is it to protect what is protected? 1230 01:30:19,655 --> 01:30:22,000 Bahamians are very on board for marine protection. 1231 01:30:22,103 --> 01:30:24,034 The one concern that usually comes up 1232 01:30:24,137 --> 01:30:26,172 is that they don't want their livelihoods affected. 1233 01:30:26,275 --> 01:30:28,034 We had to kind of explain to them, 1234 01:30:28,137 --> 01:30:29,689 it's all about ensuring that the fisheries you have 1235 01:30:29,793 --> 01:30:31,517 are being managed sustainably 1236 01:30:31,620 --> 01:30:33,310 so that you do have them for years to come. 1237 01:30:33,413 --> 01:30:35,068 I think the number-one thing that really connected 1238 01:30:35,172 --> 01:30:36,931 with the people was the education and awareness 1239 01:30:37,034 --> 01:30:38,482 about why sharks are important 1240 01:30:38,586 --> 01:30:40,620 and why finning and fishing 1241 01:30:40,724 --> 01:30:42,413 for sharks is not a good idea. 1242 01:30:42,517 --> 01:30:44,137 You understand that what they're doing for the ocean 1243 01:30:44,241 --> 01:30:46,068 and for us ultimately is actually really good. 1244 01:30:46,172 --> 01:30:47,862 I just feel like everyone in the world 1245 01:30:47,965 --> 01:30:50,172 should look at this model and imitate it. 1246 01:30:50,275 --> 01:30:52,172 For sure. 1247 01:31:00,586 --> 01:31:02,482 Roth, narrating: On this journey, I got to meet 1248 01:31:02,586 --> 01:31:04,379 a number of amazing activists, 1249 01:31:04,482 --> 01:31:07,344 people fighting hard to protect sharks. 1250 01:31:09,551 --> 01:31:11,482 Woman: Myself and my team of marine biologists, 1251 01:31:11,586 --> 01:31:13,448 we go out to collect data on shark behavior, 1252 01:31:13,551 --> 01:31:15,413 and we bring the general public along with us 1253 01:31:15,517 --> 01:31:18,758 and then dive in without a cage and meet sharks eye to eye 1254 01:31:18,862 --> 01:31:21,482 to see just how incredible they really are. 1255 01:31:23,448 --> 01:31:25,241 Sharks swim past surfers, swimmers, 1256 01:31:25,344 --> 01:31:27,586 and divers all day every day, and it's so rare 1257 01:31:27,689 --> 01:31:29,862 that they ever make a mistaken identity bite. 1258 01:31:29,965 --> 01:31:31,689 And it's really a unique thing 1259 01:31:31,793 --> 01:31:33,344 because there's not too many predators 1260 01:31:33,448 --> 01:31:36,931 that you can just kind of cruise along with. 1261 01:31:37,034 --> 01:31:40,448 Man: My goal was to undo what "jaws" did 1262 01:31:40,551 --> 01:31:42,724 and show the personalities of these sharks. 1263 01:31:42,827 --> 01:31:45,758 So I had a company that makes all the movie posters 1264 01:31:45,862 --> 01:31:49,793 make me this 6-foot, 4x4 smiling shark, not teeth, 1265 01:31:49,896 --> 01:31:51,448 and me and a couple other people 1266 01:31:51,551 --> 01:31:53,103 went all over the world and we put 'em up. 1267 01:31:53,206 --> 01:31:54,724 People would be driving and sort of like, 1268 01:31:54,827 --> 01:31:56,206 "what is that?" Until I got arrested. 1269 01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:58,137 For doing it. 1270 01:31:58,241 --> 01:32:01,068 Muller: I do a lot of work with children's hospitals. 1271 01:32:01,172 --> 01:32:03,655 These kids that are in bed that are never gonna see the ocean, 1272 01:32:03,758 --> 01:32:05,172 and they're in so much pain. 1273 01:32:05,275 --> 01:32:06,827 When you put the vr goggles on them, 1274 01:32:06,931 --> 01:32:09,206 it hacks their brain. 1275 01:32:10,758 --> 01:32:12,482 They're not only out of pain, 1276 01:32:12,586 --> 01:32:14,344 they're experiencing something that they're never, ever 1277 01:32:14,448 --> 01:32:16,172 gonna get the opportunity to experience. 1278 01:32:19,551 --> 01:32:21,137 Worm: We know that this environment is very rapidly 1279 01:32:21,241 --> 01:32:23,034 changing due to change in climate. 1280 01:32:23,137 --> 01:32:25,000 So we wan to keep on top of what the sharks are doing, 1281 01:32:25,103 --> 01:32:27,827 and we do that by tagging them with a small pinger. 1282 01:32:27,931 --> 01:32:30,413 And then we close it up and the shark goes back in. 1283 01:32:30,517 --> 01:32:32,344 It gives us signals every couple seconds, 1284 01:32:32,448 --> 01:32:35,000 and we can find out about their movements. 1285 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,068 Roth, narrating: Thanks to advanced technology, 1286 01:32:40,172 --> 01:32:43,448 conservation ngos are innovating new ways 1287 01:32:43,551 --> 01:32:45,655 to protect our oceans and marine life 1288 01:32:45,758 --> 01:32:48,827 from the threats of illegal fishing. 1289 01:32:48,931 --> 01:32:51,965 Oceana and the Leonardo DiCaprio foundation 1290 01:32:52,068 --> 01:32:54,172 have partnered with Google and skytruth 1291 01:32:54,275 --> 01:32:56,827 to launch global fishing watch, 1292 01:32:56,931 --> 01:32:59,413 a free app that uses 1293 01:32:59,517 --> 01:33:02,482 advanced satellite technology and data collection 1294 01:33:02,586 --> 01:33:07,034 to track commercial fishing boats all over the globe. 1295 01:33:07,137 --> 01:33:10,068 Pirate fishing vessels will now have a tougher time 1296 01:33:10,172 --> 01:33:11,689 hiding in the shadows, 1297 01:33:11,793 --> 01:33:14,724 thanks to these high-tech conservation efforts. 1298 01:33:14,827 --> 01:33:17,172 And local governments across the globe 1299 01:33:17,275 --> 01:33:19,034 will be able to use this resource 1300 01:33:19,137 --> 01:33:21,413 to fight back against illegal fishing 1301 01:33:21,517 --> 01:33:25,724 and cultivate healthy, abundant oceans. 1302 01:33:25,827 --> 01:33:28,931 These efforts are just starting to pay off. 1303 01:33:29,034 --> 01:33:30,793 Woman: When the buying stops... 1304 01:33:30,896 --> 01:33:32,206 Crowd: When the buying stops. 1305 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:33,862 Woman: The killing will, too. 1306 01:33:33,965 --> 01:33:35,206 Roth, narrating: People all over the world 1307 01:33:35,310 --> 01:33:36,724 are joining the fight. 1308 01:33:36,827 --> 01:33:38,586 Crowd: Rights. Rights for great whites. 1309 01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:41,137 Leave the sharks alone. 1310 01:33:41,241 --> 01:33:42,862 Roth, narrating: But it's not enough. 1311 01:33:42,965 --> 01:33:45,517 So much more needs to be done. 1312 01:33:49,241 --> 01:33:52,965 Because sharks are being killed at an unsustainable rate. 1313 01:33:55,137 --> 01:33:59,000 Stokes: An ocean without sharks is a very, very scary thought. 1314 01:33:59,103 --> 01:34:00,724 Once you remove all those sharks, 1315 01:34:00,827 --> 01:34:03,448 everything else will go into anarchy. 1316 01:34:20,344 --> 01:34:22,448 Roth, narrating: Since you started watching this film, 1317 01:34:22,551 --> 01:34:26,000 an estimated 30,000 sharks have been killed. 1318 01:34:28,103 --> 01:34:31,137 But this is not over. The fight has just begun. 1319 01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,413 Roth, narrating: There's no one villain or solution. 1320 01:34:35,517 --> 01:34:38,655 Everyone has to recognize their part in the problem 1321 01:34:38,758 --> 01:34:40,931 and work together to change the behavior 1322 01:34:41,034 --> 01:34:43,482 before it's too late. 1323 01:35:01,172 --> 01:35:03,620 Imagine this ocean without sharks. 1324 01:35:03,724 --> 01:35:05,896 What would it be? 1325 01:35:44,413 --> 01:35:47,482 How's the diving here?Amazing. 1326 01:36:14,172 --> 01:36:16,448 Stokes: February 3, 2020, Hong Kong. 1327 01:36:16,551 --> 01:36:18,344 We're in the height of the coronavirus. 1328 01:36:18,448 --> 01:36:21,482 The shark fin traders are drying shark fins on the streets 1329 01:36:21,586 --> 01:36:26,034 for everybody to cough, sneeze, and do whatever else on it. 1330 01:36:26,137 --> 01:36:27,620 Unbelievable. 1331 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:42,413 Roth: Have you been threatened by any of the mafia triads, 1332 01:36:42,517 --> 01:36:44,241 organized crime? 1333 01:36:44,344 --> 01:36:46,413 No, I've just had some funny phone calls, you know. 1334 01:36:46,517 --> 01:36:48,620 But, you know, whatever, who cares. 1335 01:36:48,724 --> 01:36:50,586 They're just losers. Not scared of them. 1336 01:36:56,137 --> 01:36:58,413 Hofford: Maxim's, stop shark fin! 1337 01:36:58,517 --> 01:37:00,413 Crowd: Maxim's, stop shark fin! 1338 01:37:00,517 --> 01:37:04,551 When the buying stops, the killing will, too. 1339 01:37:12,517 --> 01:37:13,862 Roth: One thing that struck me 1340 01:37:13,965 --> 01:37:16,137 about the "Bob barker," I felt old. 1341 01:37:16,241 --> 01:37:17,931 No, really fucking old. 1342 01:37:18,034 --> 01:37:20,793 I mean, these kids are like, 18, 20, 22, 24. 1343 01:37:20,896 --> 01:37:22,551 I feel very under-tattooed. 1344 01:37:22,655 --> 01:37:24,965 I feel like that's one of the qualifications. 1345 01:37:25,305 --> 01:38:25,475 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org104116

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