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The Who are The Who, that's who they are. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,000 A rock group, veterans of Woodstock, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 and now they're authors and performers in a rock opera. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,120 Pete knew that he'd got to write something more substantial 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,440 and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,800 # Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball... # 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,760 I felt... the band, and myself as a composer, 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,040 deserved one big last splurge. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,120 If that album hadn't made it, the band would have disbanded. 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,040 # Sure plays a mean pinball... # 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,800 Tommy is one of the most important albums ever made, and was 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,920 Pete sitting with his guitar, trying to make sense of the universe. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,200 # Tommy, can you hear me? 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,640 # Can you feel me near you? # 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,800 When we played it live it changed me completely. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,360 I just grabbed it by the scruff of the neck and said, 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,400 "Right, let's make this person live." 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,680 # I'm free 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,720 I'm free... # 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,440 I'm fed up with talking about it. I'm certainly not fed up with playing it. 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,440 We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something. 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,640 It was a series of great hit singles, it's a great concept album, 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,520 it's a rock opera, it's a great concert vehicle for The Who. 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,040 # Listening to you... # 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,640 I just knew we were good. 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,600 I didn't quite know how or why or what, but I knew we were good. 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,520 The reviews they got were overwhelming, 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,880 and so they'd suddenly arrived, and Tommy changed everything. 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,840 Tommy was the first time that we really tackled 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,840 the idea of doing an album as a piece of art. 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 It was meant, in a sense, to hold a mirror, you know, 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,520 to what we were doing at the time and what was happening to us. 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,920 And when you look at sort of what was happening, 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,840 it then starts to really take on extra resonance. 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,680 By '68, they seemed to be running out of steam. 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,240 They were in trouble, really. 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,000 We were afraid that we were losing our touch. 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 We'd had a series of successful hit singles, you know, 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,360 from I Can't Explain, Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere, 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,240 My Generation, Pictures of Lily, I'm a Boy. 41 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,040 We were a singles band going nowhere, 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,000 and occasionally we might come up with a hit single now and again, 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,520 but on stage we had grown immensely. 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:41,560 # I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... # 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,360 They were the group that took the power of rock'n'roll 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 most seriously. I love the early Who singles. 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,040 I think, you know, to me 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,160 maybe the greatest rock'n'roll record of all time is I Can See For Miles. 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,040 I Can See For Miles, which should have been number one, 50 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,600 there's no question about it - 51 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,560 it's a masterpiece as a pop song of our genre - and it didn't do that. 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 I think Pete thought we were running out of steam, 53 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,600 but then I always believed in the chemistry of the band. 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,800 There's something about the mathematics of Who music, within it, 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,760 that knitted it together, and it had an incredible strength. 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,760 # Talking about my generation 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,360 # Talking about my generation 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,360 # Talking about my generation 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,440 # Talking about my ge-ge-ge... 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,760 # Talking about my generation 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,520 # My generation This is my generation, baby... # 62 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:44,080 They were just a great live band and that sense of, you know, you just 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,560 had this feeling like, you know, at any moment they could just levitate. 64 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,320 GUITARS SCREECH 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,840 It's an image that remains in my mind about the energy 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,800 and danger that he had in his performance. 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,200 Pete was playing and was bleeding from his hand. 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,440 DISTORTED GUITARS 69 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,640 # My generation... # 70 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,440 The Who had this enormous image set for them in stone, really, 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,040 by My Generation 72 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,040 and the Mod connection and smashing up equipment, 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,200 and so they wanted to destroy that image 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,840 and prove that they could do something of real importance and value. 75 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:26,120 And we were writing more 76 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,120 and more stuff that didn't fit in with the singles market. 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,640 The shortcoming was mine. I wasn't coming up with the singles. 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,080 And I knew that I couldn't do better than I Can See For Miles, 79 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,480 and I was kind of groping, in a sense, to find 80 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,440 something that would work for the band at this time. 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,200 He knew that he'd got to write something more substantial 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,160 and he'd always had this thing about writing a rock opera. 83 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,400 Pete obviously wrote the songs, 84 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,400 but it was huge, huge input from Kit Lambert. 85 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:00,880 And, you know, Kit was always pushing Pete to write deeper, 86 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,440 write for a bigger stage. 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,360 There is more valid, new creative music being made at the pop end. 88 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,160 I don't see any good classical composers emerging at the moment. 89 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,120 I certainly haven't heard a decent new symphony 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,760 or a decent new opera in the last 18 months. 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,520 And I think opera, as we know now, is absolutely defunct. 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,440 One needs a completely fresh approach, 93 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,360 and I think pop's going to provide it. 94 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,360 There were other attempts to do similar kind of things, 95 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,400 although nobody took much notice of them at the time, 96 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,200 it has to be said. There was Mark Wirtz's Teenage Opera, which was 97 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,720 a single, but was actually intended to become a full-blown opera. 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,800 And then The Pretty Things had been working on something 99 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,240 called SF Sorrow, which was a concept album, 100 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,000 and they later claimed that this was the first rock opera. 101 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,560 I felt we were first anyway because we'd done, you know, 102 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,560 two operas, we'd done... It's just that they didn't look like that. 103 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,040 It's a group of numbers off our LP written by Pete - 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,760 it was part of an opera he wrote. 105 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,320 It's a bit shorter than it was supposed to be. 106 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,680 It's one called A Quick One. 107 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,920 It was a piece that ran about 11 minutes long that really 108 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 showed the potential of the band. 109 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,160 The Who told stories. 110 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,000 You know, there was a narrative arc in all of those songs, 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,440 however short. 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,760 Cos what A Quick One While He's Away was, I think, 113 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:33,080 five or six songs which I was working on, this story about child abuse. 114 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,600 Mainly it was a story about evacuees, 115 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,960 because when these kids came home and they told their parents 116 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,400 about the fact that they'd had a terrible time, 117 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,440 their parents said, "Listen, shut up. 118 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,440 "You're alive, you're lucky, you know, 119 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,320 "you weren't blown to bits in the Blitz. Just keep your mouth shut." 120 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,040 So everybody went into, you know, huge denial. 121 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,360 I'm on the stage and we get to the end - "you are forgiven". 122 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,120 This is at the end of A Quick One, I went, "You are forgiven. 123 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,240 "You are forgiven. You are forgiven. 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:11,080 "Forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, forgiven, FORGIVEN!" 125 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,000 You know. This incredible... 126 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,920 When, of course, no forgiveness there at all. 127 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,320 And then finally... 128 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,600 # We're all forgiven... # 129 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,080 But we'd also done another one called Rael, which was... 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,800 you know, a full-length, two-hour epic opera 131 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,360 squeezed down to seven minutes. 132 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,720 # He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again 133 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,120 # He's crazy if he thinks we're coming back again... # 134 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,840 I felt I was in a climate where everybody was going to be 135 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,280 doing this kind of thing. 136 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Cos it was on an extraordinary period, that psychedelic period, 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,800 of... 138 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Because people were opening up their minds with psychedelic drugs. 139 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,600 New attitudes and the whole love movement, 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 and a sort of philosophical kind of revolution took place very quickly. 141 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,200 And people were searching for their own kind of answers. 142 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,600 The Who weren't, you know, immune to all of that. 143 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,000 I mean, in their own way, 144 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,480 like Townshend himself was very interested in philosophy 145 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,760 and all kinds of mysticism, in a sense, 146 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,560 and experimentation with drugs wasn't unknown to The Who. 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Pete had had that LSD bad trip he took 148 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 when coming back from the States. 149 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,880 It was the most extraordinary drug experience 150 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,720 that I've ever been through. 151 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,080 It was just absolutely bizarre, like Alice In Wonderland, 152 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,240 like extreme mental illness. 153 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,680 Nothing good about it at all, but so disturbing that I left my body 154 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:56,240 and I floated up on the ceiling of the aircraft, 155 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,400 looking down at myself, and I'm sitting there and I'm unconscious. 156 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,760 It's extremely disturbing 157 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,040 and I'm very, very frightened I'm going to die. 158 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,120 And when I get home, I kind of think about this and I think, 159 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,480 "I left my body. 160 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,560 "I just left my body, so I know that I am not my fucking body." 161 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,840 And it shook him up, and from then on 162 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,520 he gave up psychedelic drugs and got very anti-psychedelic drugs. 163 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,080 There was that sense that we needed an alternative to this 164 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,920 extraordinary colourful world that we discovered in hallucinogenics. 165 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,640 At that point everybody, it seemed like, you know, 166 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,560 was exploring some or one or another aspect of, you know, 167 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,800 kind of a spiritual development. 168 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,760 You're looking for some answers. 169 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 You're looking for some ways of living. 170 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:45,800 You're looking for something that's going to bring you 171 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:51,200 some peace of some kind, and I think Meher Baba offered that. 172 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,120 When Mike McInnerney introduced Meher Baba to Pete, 173 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,160 I think he gave him a book. 174 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,880 It was called The God-Man by an eminent British journalist 175 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,720 called CB Purdom, and I kind of immediately warmed 176 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,200 to the way he looked in the photo, 177 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,880 but what really struck me is as soon as I started 178 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:17,640 to open the book up, I started to read things, I felt that I'd found 179 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,360 answers to so many of the questions that were rolling round in my head. 180 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,360 And the really, really simple thing is - 181 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,680 and it's really not complicated - was that he asked you to love him. 182 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,200 It was the simple stuff 183 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,520 that I liked. It was "don't worry, be happy. 184 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,760 "Do your best, leave the results to God." 185 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,560 You know what you should do, basically, 186 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,320 that's why I think he didn't speak. 187 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,600 He took a vow of silence in 1925 or something, 188 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,760 and I think he didn't speak because he said it had all been said, 189 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,000 do you know what I mean? 190 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,720 There's no point giving more messages, it's all there. 191 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,200 You can't describe the kind of the discovery, 192 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,080 the feeling you get when you feel the presence of someone like 193 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Meher Baba on Earth, on this planet, at this time, in this universe. 194 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,560 It changed him completely. He was absolutely fired up by it. 195 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,560 He was absolutely... 196 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,920 I mean, it was the most profound change he'd ever had in his life. 197 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,640 You impede your own spiritual progress by doing things 198 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,680 which are against the grain physically, 199 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:24,240 by self-indulgence, by indulging in lust, by indulging in greed. 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,640 And we just had to stop fucking around, you know. 201 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,640 We had to stop taking acid, 202 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,600 stop pretending that we could have sex 203 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,520 with whoever we wanted to have sex with 204 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,240 and just get serious about life. 205 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,000 Let your own intuition guide you. 206 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,280 Like, when you're writing a song or something, 207 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,880 just write it with the best intentions - probably to entertain 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,240 and to please people - 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,320 and via doing that, you might create a spark in them. 210 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 When I did discover Meher Baba, I think all the pieces of the jigsaw 211 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,920 fit into place and then I was able to start on Tommy in earnest, 212 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,400 and I think I was inspired to write Tommy as a spiritual story. 213 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,920 The idea was that Tommy would be a young boy who would grow up 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,080 in adverse circumstances, but those adverse circumstances 215 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,880 would lead him to a spiritual pathway. 216 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,840 He would then be elected, 217 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,360 if you like, by the masses as a spiritual teacher 218 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:23,640 and then he would, in a sense, misuse his powers and pay the price. 219 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,040 And that was the original story. 220 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,560 This is 1918. 221 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:38,520 Captain Walker is missing, believed to be missing with a number of men. 222 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,320 Then Mrs Walker has a child, a son. 223 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:44,320 ALL: Absent friends. 224 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,040 # Captain Walker didn't come home 225 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,600 # His unborn child will never know him... # 226 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,840 The war is still on... you know, it's about to end. 227 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,640 A mother has bore a child. 228 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,040 # It's a boy, Mrs Walker 229 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,040 # It's a boy 230 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,080 # It's a boy, Mrs Walker... # 231 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,240 She doesn't know, you know, if it will have a father. 232 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,760 She's taken a lover. 233 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:20,800 # A son, a son, a son... # 234 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,480 I had to create this viable boy that my audience, Who fans, 235 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,560 could occupy, get inside him, and then they become the hero. 236 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Then Captain Walker comes back. 237 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,440 Now, the first song is very vague, 238 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,480 you don't really know what's happened. 239 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,640 # I had a feeling '21 is gonna be a good year 240 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:51,480 # Especially if you and me sit in together... # 241 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,200 All around me, when I was a kid, 242 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,960 there were these intrigues going on, you know, marital intrigues. 243 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,960 My mum, she fell in love with this guy 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,840 and she wanted to run away with him, and what she wanted was romance, 245 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,120 and that was the thing that my dad couldn't give her. 246 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,400 # I had no reason to be over-optimistic 247 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,240 # But somehow when you smile I can brave bad weather... # 248 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,120 A smile, a loving touch, this is what life was about. 249 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,480 # About the boy, about the boy 250 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,040 # About the boy, he saw it all 251 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,280 # You didn't hear it You didn't see it 252 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,200 # You won't say nothing to no-one Never in your life 253 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,520 # You never heard it 254 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,000 # Oh, how absurd it all seems Without any proof... # 255 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,080 It turns out - although you wouldn't know it from the record - 256 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080 that the father came back and found the mother with her lover 257 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,400 and he killed the lover, and the boy witnessed it. 258 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,240 As a child he sees this murder, 259 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,720 as a child he sees a reflection of the murder. 260 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,600 He doesn't actually see the murder, he doesn't see the blood, 261 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,160 he doesn't hear the cries, he just sees this happening in this mirror. 262 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,920 And as a result of them saying, "You didn't see it. 263 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,320 "You never saw it. You won't tell a word about it," he has a trauma 264 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,520 and he withdraws himself and becomes deaf, dumb and blind. 265 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,200 # That dumb and blind boy He's in a quiet vibration land 266 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,280 # Strange as it seems 267 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,840 # His music dreams ain't quite so bad... # 268 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,560 The amazing journey was the nucleus of Tommy, 269 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,200 as far as I was concerned, and it sticks in my brain 270 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,160 and has been the song that kind of said it all. 271 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,840 It's about going through life in this strange other world. 272 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,280 With the deaf, dumb and blind boy, I was looking 273 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,840 for an analogy to the fact that it seemed to me that we are deaf, dumb 274 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,560 and blind, if you like, with respect to our spiritual genome. 275 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,600 Whatever it is in us that drives us spiritually 276 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,600 is effectively deaf, dumb and blind. 277 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,280 I think Townshend totally got how, underneath 278 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,320 all of your aggression and all of your violence 279 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,840 and all of your anger is a real sensitivity, 280 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,840 a desire to somehow be accepted. 281 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,880 # Sickness will surely take the mind where minds can't usually go 282 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:32,400 # Come on the amazing journey and learn all you should know... # 283 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,760 I'd written this epic poem, 284 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:46,240 it was about somebody who gets very, very, very close to God-realisation 285 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,040 and then makes a disastrous mistake. 286 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,720 "As time passes boredom forces me to amuse myself. 287 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,040 "I marry and justify a lifetime of obsessed 288 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,720 "money-making in order to keep my family. 289 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,560 "I justify an eternity of oblivious dreaming to counter 290 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,120 "the strain of all my money-making." 291 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:11,280 The music business itself would appear to be very shallow 292 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,360 and very kind of one-dimensional in a way, you know, 293 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:18,000 leading a lifestyle that is not always satisfactory. 294 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,120 I don't know how he coped, you know? 295 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:22,360 This was a guy in two worlds, you know? 296 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,200 He's in a rock'n'roll world. 297 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,080 He's coping with stardom and, at the same time, 298 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,000 he's trying to be a boy, trying to understand himself, 299 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,320 and he's trying to be a man and be a good husband. 300 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,520 It is a warning that if you don't use the experience that you have, 301 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,760 if you don't use the qualities that you develop wisely 302 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,160 and kindly and in a good way, you know, you end up in shit. 303 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,680 MUSIC: "Eyesight To The Blind" by Sonny Boy Williamson 304 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,440 There's that brilliant use of Sonny Boy Williamson, one of the, you know, 305 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,960 original great blues figures, and a song called Eyesight To The Blind, 306 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,360 you know, a nod to both where this music came from, 307 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:21,600 where The Who came from and a perfect use of an old song in a new context. 308 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,000 I was attracted to it because it was about... 309 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,800 He refers to a deaf, dumb and blind guy in his song. 310 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,520 I like singing this... 311 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,280 probably most out of all the things we've ever done. 312 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,960 It's challenging, it's incredibly challenging 313 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,440 but, at the end of it, it's incredibly rewarding. 314 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,640 And it fit in beautifully, I think. 315 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:49,680 It created a reference back to our lineage, our heritage, 316 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,600 our influences... and it's a fucking great song, too. 317 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 # You talk about your woman 318 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,800 # I wish you could see mine 319 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,400 # Yeah, you talk about your woman 320 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,360 # I wish you could see mine... # 321 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,960 I don't know why Kit... 322 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,280 It's always puzzled me why he double-tracked everything. 323 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,640 It's not like I haven't got quite a fat voice to start with, 324 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,520 but it did give it that kind of other worldly quality. 325 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 # She's got the power to heal you 326 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,120 # Never fear 327 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,760 # She's got the power to heal you 328 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,800 # Never fear... # 329 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,520 It solved a problem in a narrative. 330 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,040 I wanted there to be a pimp. 331 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,480 I wanted the Acid Queen to have a pimp. 332 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,600 I didn't want the Acid Queen to be entirely responsible 333 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,720 for corrupting the boy, sexually speaking. 334 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Pete just has a darker turn of mind 335 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:01,120 and, you know, addressed these things, and powerfully so. 336 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:04,440 Nothing at all could ever be too strong for an album 337 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,200 and nothing was off-limits. 338 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,440 It was amazing that the band supported him 339 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,360 and were not anti-critical of him, Meher Baba and all the rest of it. 340 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,040 Cos the thing was that they could probably sense that he was 341 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,960 definitely inspired from his confidence 342 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,320 that he got from Meher Baba. 343 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,760 We were always supportive, 344 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,400 that had been going on for years, but there was something 345 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,160 in Kit's belief in us that I always knew that it would be OK, 346 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,200 and that Pete would kind of go on to write this kind of work. 347 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,520 # Did you ever see the faces of the children? 348 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,600 # They get so excited 349 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,440 # Waking up on Christmas morning 350 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,080 # Hours before the winter sun's ignited... # 351 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,880 On Christmas Eve, I would be left on my own, 352 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,360 and with a fire and all the presents round the tree. Magic. 353 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,560 Just waiting, waiting while my mum and dad went to the pub, 354 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,480 got smashed, came back at one o'clock in the morning, 355 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,120 put me to bed. Then I'd wake up and open my presents and, yeah, 356 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:09,720 that was good times. 357 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,400 # And Tommy doesn't know what day it is 358 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,800 # He doesn't know who Jesus was or what praying is 359 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:27,960 # How can he be saved from the eternal grave? 360 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 # See me 361 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,680 # Feel me 362 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,800 # Touch me 363 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040 # Heal me... # 364 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,560 There is that extraordinary moment in the recording of Tommy 365 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,040 where I arrive late, looking forward to doing my bit, you know, 366 00:21:53,040 --> 00:22:00,320 which is singing the emotional bits, "See me, feel me..." 367 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,000 You know, because, you know, I had such a tough childhood, 368 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,200 so I would be able to really sing it. 369 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,560 And I knew that, you know, 370 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,360 Roger had had a couple of goes, and Kit had kind of gone, 371 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,760 "I don't think you'd better do this, Rog. 372 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,360 "I think I might better leave this to Pete." 373 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,480 And I come in and I hear this. 374 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240 # See me 375 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,200 # Feel me 376 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,800 # Touch me 377 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,120 # Heal me... # 378 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,320 And I realised that Roger has occupied Tommy, 379 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,520 in such a way, though, that other people were unable to occupy him. 380 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,800 # Heal me... # 381 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,240 I was just inhabiting the music. 382 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,360 I think everybody has a longing in them... 383 00:22:53,560 --> 00:23:00,280 ..to be understood, to be loved, and that's what I tried to do. 384 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,800 I was very, very well aware that 385 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,080 it was going to do something a little bit deeper, 386 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,560 and in that Kit Lambert was an absolute dynamo of support. 387 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800 But then, it wasn't just Kit, we did have Chris Stamp in there 388 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,360 who's, again, very, very influential on the input of Tommy. 389 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,680 Their partnership and their work together 390 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,280 was extraordinary and magical. 391 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,680 Tommy was everything. 392 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440 You know, we were going to... we were going to sort of 393 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,320 put everything into Tommy. It was going to be the, sort of, 394 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,480 the great big last-ditch effort, you know, 395 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,920 of all this sort of creative juice that we'd had for all these years. 396 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,640 If ever I had any doubts, you know... If ever I said, you know, 397 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,880 "Oh, God, you know, it all feels a bit pretentious," 398 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,360 he would just say, "Oh, fuck them." 399 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,840 You know. "Just fuck them all," you know? 400 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320 "What does anybody know about opera?" 401 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,360 But the person that was most helpful to me in constructing 402 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,280 the story was actually the guy doing the artwork - Michael McInnerney. 403 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,360 As a creative in the band, you know, 404 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,520 Pete needed somebody to be able to talk his ideas out to. 405 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280 We were still in the studio developing the music, 406 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,360 so I would go and I would talk to him about it, 407 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,160 I would play him my demos. 408 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,160 He often got to hear my songs before the band. 409 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,560 The cover carried a kind of symbolic idea 410 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,920 of what I felt the overarching idea of the album was. 411 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040 I was trying to carry this idea of what it would be like, 412 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,880 in a sense, to be this character, 413 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,120 trying to imagine what it's like 414 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:42,200 if you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, what kind of world 415 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,680 you're in, you know, how infinite and how large that might be. 416 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,240 I had to try and find a kind of visual method to sort of do that. 417 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,680 I don't think Mike has ever surpassed it. 418 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,360 He's done some fantastic work, 419 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,520 but I do think that it's up there with Magritte. 420 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,640 # Extra, extra, read all about it 421 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,200 # Extra... # 422 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,520 My first major interview about Tommy was with Jann Wenner 423 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,720 of Rolling Stone magazine before the fucking album was made, 424 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,880 in which I pitched the album and he printed it in its entirety. 425 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,400 I didn't know at the time that was the first time he'd, apparently, 426 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,880 had ever articulated that, 427 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,240 and I think that he might have been making it up 428 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,640 as he was going along, you know, it was kind of occurring to him. 429 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,360 But he'd laid it out in very rational form. 430 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,240 And he said that, really, that interview cleared it - 431 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,600 clarified it in his head. 432 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,800 What's interesting, reading that interview 433 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,000 is the conviction that I had that we, as a band, 434 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,760 could kind of create this journey for this boy. 435 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,240 We could sort of make this music 436 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,160 that evoked all of these different aspects of life 437 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160 and very, very ambitious, you know, 438 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,280 but I was convinced that we could do it. 439 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,560 # We're on our own, cousin 440 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,960 # All alone, cousin... # 441 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120 Pete Townshend is one of the most sensitive souls who's ever 442 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,240 found their way into rock'n'roll. 443 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,320 And I think that's the secret of Tommy, is he was sensitive 444 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,640 to his own issues and to the fact that there were probably 445 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,680 other people out there dealing with some of the same psychosexual 446 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,880 childhood abuse, bullying, all these themes that are so of the moment. 447 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Young Tommy went through, you know, sexual molestation, bullying, 448 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,520 drugs and whatever, that Pete had gone through. 449 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Pete was an unhappy kid, you know, full of, you know, doubt 450 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,560 and shame and feelings of inadequacy and the inability to get a girl. 451 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,880 And he's really...pretty painfully frank in his music... 452 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,640 ..at a time when you're not supposed to be. 453 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,400 # You won't be much fun being blind, deaf and dumb 454 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,840 # But I've no-one to play with today... # 455 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Bullying at that time, it was just, you know, it was just... 456 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,760 It was par for the course. It was the way that society operated. 457 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Policemen didn't pull you aside and, you know... 458 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 They would just smack you round the head, you know? 459 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680 It was just this kind of, you know, teachers would batter you 460 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440 with lumps of wood, you know, and that's what life was like. 461 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,040 # I'm the school bully 462 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,080 # The classroom cheat 463 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:36,200 # The nastiest play friend you ever could meet... # 464 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,920 He asked John to write those difficult songs, 465 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,880 those dark songs, because when Pete was younger 466 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,720 he had some bad... 467 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320 sexual experiences and bullying experiences. 468 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,480 I didn't want to have to write those songs, 469 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,640 but I knew that they had to be in the story. 470 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080 I knew that we had to deal with the reality 471 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,280 of what a boy like Tommy would go through. 472 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,760 As I tried to deal with it, 473 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:12,400 I would either go into kind of white-flash anxiety or rage... 474 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,240 And I tried a few times... 475 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,600 ..but in the end I just kind of gave John a brief. 476 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,240 I just said, "Do you think you could crack this?" And he said, "Yep." 477 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200 # I'm your wicked Uncle Ernie 478 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,840 # I'm glad you won't see or hear me as I fiddle about 479 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,240 # Fiddle about Fiddle about 480 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,480 # Your mother left me here to mind you 481 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480 # Now I'm doing what I want to 482 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,320 # Fiddling about Fiddling about 483 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,280 Fiddle about 484 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,800 # Down with the bedclothes Up with your nightshirt 485 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,680 # Fiddle about... # 486 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640 What's so extraordinary about those two songs 487 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,160 is that they're so powerful and they're so deeply felt 488 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760 and they're so accurate that I wonder whether, like me, 489 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,720 John had lots of friends who had stories to tell. 490 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,120 Child molestation is not discussed, 491 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,520 it's not generally a pop music theme, you know, 492 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,720 but it's one of the big, you know, successful themes of Tommy. 493 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Pete was selling us and sharing with us his pain. 494 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,520 I mean, he had this part of when he was young, 495 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080 of his mother and father not getting on, 496 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,560 and his mother was a singer and stuff, 497 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,600 and they left him for a time with his grandmother, this Denny, 498 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880 who was a little bit strange. 499 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,000 My experience of abuse as a child is something which 500 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760 I don't fully recall. 501 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400 I get the sense that there's something that has happened 502 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,840 to me as a child, something that is erotic or sexual, 503 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,960 or disturbing or dark, or something in nature 504 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,600 because of dreams that I've had and memories that I have. 505 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,080 But I was very, very young, you know, 506 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,360 I was between the ages of 4 and 5½ when I was 507 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,480 with my grandmother, and I just know that some weird shit went down. 508 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,680 # Fiddle... # 509 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000 # Your child ain't all he should be now 510 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,760 # This girl could put him right 511 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,160 # I'll show him what he could be now 512 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,760 # Just give me one night 513 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,160 # I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen 514 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240 # Pay before we start... # 515 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,680 I go to a very strange place when I sing it. 516 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,600 It's like, "Can you give me permission to sing this song? 517 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,240 "I'm going to sing it like a woman who's going to rape a child in order 518 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,680 "to make it better." 519 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,080 I'm 68 years old, there's not much analysis for me. 520 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,960 I've got a pretty picture of what kind of person my mum was. 521 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,960 I love her, I love the memory of her, but I also know 522 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,600 that she was a complete halfwit in many respects, you know. 523 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,360 And she abnegated a lot of her duty to me as a young mum, 524 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,000 and when I sing the Acid Queen 525 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800 there's a bit of my mother's voice comes in there. 526 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480 I'm kind of... I'm kind of angry with my mother. 527 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,840 I'm angry with all women who are mothers. 528 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640 It's a misogynist song in a way, you know, 529 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,160 and I can sing it as a woman and... 530 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,400 "If your boy ain't all he should be now, this girl can put him right." 531 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,640 There's a sense of "oh, how arrogant you are." 532 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,160 # Give us a room Close the door 533 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240 # Leave us for a while 534 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,080 # Your boy won't be a boy no more 535 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,440 # Young but not a child... # 536 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880 What The Acid Queen represents to me is that female force. 537 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,800 It's a fairytale figure, you know? 538 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,840 It's the wicked queen, it's the wicked witch, 539 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,400 and yet, in Grimm's Fairy Tale language, it's a very erotic figure. 540 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,320 It's erotic, powerful, manipulative, fixing figure. 541 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,800 "I can fix you. Come in, young man, I'll show you the future." 542 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,080 And what a great power for a woman to have over a young man... 543 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,520 ..the power to give him his first real orgasm. 544 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,360 # My work is done now Look at him 545 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,760 # He's never been more alive 546 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920 # His hand, it shakes His fingers clutch 547 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080 # Watch his body writhe 548 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720 # I'm the gypsy The Acid Queen 549 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,120 # Pay before we start 550 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,080 # The gypsy 551 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,920 # I'm guaranteed to break your little heart... # 552 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Kit Lambert had got me tape-machines 553 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,840 very, very early in my writing career in 1964, so I'd been 554 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,960 working on tape, and by the time I started to work on Tommy 555 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,320 I had a fully-fledged recording studio in my house at home. 556 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,120 I loved it. 557 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,200 And he would come in with a new demo and we'd write, 558 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,200 and then we'd build up from a very simple demo... 559 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,920 And slowly, but surely, the story pieced itself together 560 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400 in some kind of sense. 561 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,040 # Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball 562 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,600 # From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all 563 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,440 # But I ain't seen nothing like him in any amusement hall 564 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,720 # That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # 565 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,360 Before Pinball Wizard, Tommy was a kind of rock star. 566 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,840 I saw him as, I suppose, a guitar-playing rock star, 567 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,600 cos Tommy was about music. 568 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,440 It was about a young man who is deaf, dumb and blind, 569 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,480 but can hear music through vibrations, 570 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000 so he can feel stuff, so he can feel music. 571 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,640 They wanted some feedback on how it was going 572 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:39,880 and the album they were making, and Kit Lambert knew Nik Cohn, 573 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,360 who was the writer on the Guardian, and he was a rock critic, and 574 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,120 they brought him in and he listened to their...what they'd got so far. 575 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120 I said, "What do you think?" 576 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,320 "And he said, "It's... It's wonderful. It's really wonderful. 577 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,400 "Wonderful music. I love it. 578 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,400 "But...it's a pity it's about a guru." 579 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040 And I said, "Well, it's not really about a guru. 580 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,120 "No, it's not a guru. He's not a guru. 581 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:13,920 "He's somebody who can feel vibrations and music and through, 582 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,120 "you know... And it turns into a kind of a spiritual language 583 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,200 "that he understands and that other people around him can see." 584 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,800 And he kind of goes, "I think that's even worse than a guru." 585 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,720 He used a wonderful expression, he said, "It's a bit po-faced." 586 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,600 "And it's a bit heavy, religious and... But I'll give it four stars. 587 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,640 "It's GOOD, you know, but it's not..." And that wasn't good enough. 588 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,720 I knew him and we used to play pinball together quite a bit, 589 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,400 and he'd written a book called Arfur - with an F - Pinball Queen, 590 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360 and I'd met this kid who he'd based the story on, 591 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,960 played pinball with her, 592 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,400 and we used to go out and play pinball in Soho together. 593 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,080 And Pete said she beat him every single time. 594 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,400 And so I said, "What about if, instead of him being, like, 595 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,240 "a, you know, a phenomena, musically-speaking, 596 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,480 "he's a pinball champion?" 597 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,520 thinking I was kind of like, lowering the, you know, the... 598 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,440 And you know, "He plays pinball. He can play pinball. 599 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,080 "He's deaf, dumb and blind, 600 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,720 "but through vibrations he can play pinball." 601 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,800 I said, "Would you give it a good review if he was a pinball star?" 602 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,960 And Nik Cohn said something like, 603 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,480 "Ah, yes, I think I would give that a five-star review... 604 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,160 "with an extra ball." 605 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,080 So I rushed home that night and wrote Pinball Wizard. 606 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,280 # Ever since I was a young boy I played the silver ball 607 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,040 # From Soho down to Brighton I must have played them all 608 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,680 # But I've never seen anything like him in any amusement hall 609 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:15,120 # That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # 610 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,040 Pinball Wizard is a crucial song. 611 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,360 It's actually the whole thing in a nutshell, 612 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,560 and it's incredibly powerful. 613 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360 The first time I heard it, I was literally blown backwards, 614 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,120 it was so powerful. 615 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,480 And I felt it was too sweet and, you know, 616 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,480 so if this is someone singing about Tommy, 617 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,960 it should have a bit more meat and potatoes... 618 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,000 ..which is what I gave it. 619 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,480 # He stands like a statue Becomes part of the machine 620 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,400 # Feeling all the bumpers Always playing clean 621 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,120 # He plays by intuition The digit counters fall 622 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,600 # That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball 623 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,840 # He's a pinball wizard 624 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,520 # Had to be a twist 625 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,360 # A pinball wizard's Got such a supple wrist... # 626 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040 I think that it was such a clever device, a perfect vehicle. 627 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,160 Nothing to do with words, just to do with feeling the flippers 628 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,680 and feeling the... 629 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,640 And feeling the ball and scoring a great score. 630 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,360 You don't need words for that. 631 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,600 What it did was inject this incredible silly, colourful, 632 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,360 daft notion into the whole thing which, in actual fact, 633 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,080 totally redeemed but also created a much better focus for my notion 634 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,320 that somebody who was deaf, dumb and blind could do something miraculous. 635 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,280 # He ain't got no distraction Can't hear no buzzing bells 636 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,560 # Don't see no lights a-flashin' 637 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,400 # Plays by sense of smell 638 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,280 # Always gets a replay Never tilts at all 639 00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,200 # That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball... # 640 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600 Listening to the production on Pinball Wizard, 641 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,600 and it's absolutely genius, but it's a masterpiece. 642 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,160 # I thought I was the Bally table king 643 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,720 # But I just handed my pinball crown to him... # 644 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520 Next day he brought it in, played it to everyone. 645 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040 He thought, "Oh, God, I'm embarrassed by this." 646 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,400 I came in and I played it, 647 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,040 and the great thing about it was that it was obviously the hit. 648 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,120 And Damon Lyon-Shaw, the engineer, said, 649 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,000 "That'll be a number-one hit, you know." 650 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,840 And they all went, "This is great." And he went, "Oh, really?" 651 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640 I think it got to number four. 652 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640 HE LAUGHS 653 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,360 # That deaf, dumb and blind kid... # 654 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,240 Nik, true to his word, gave the album a fantastic review. 655 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,920 With Tommy, it was the first time we used eight-track 656 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,400 and we didn't know what to do with them. 657 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,680 I've seen the multi-tracks from Tommy 658 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,720 and there's three tracks empty. 659 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,920 Cos they'd insisted all the way that they wanted to be able 660 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,720 to play it on stage, cos there was all sorts of great ideas came up. 661 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,360 Kit Lambert had asked me to dance around the room 662 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,480 like a ballet dancer holding a microphone for an effect. 663 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,400 He was wonderful because he would just try everything. 664 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,760 He'd try the kitchen sink, he'd throw it all in. 665 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,400 He'd make terrible mistakes. 666 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,400 The next thing we knew, we'd be marching around the studio 667 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,040 playing trombones, you know? 668 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,760 Would I have changed him for someone more polished? 669 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320 No, we wouldn't have been what we are today 670 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360 without his early production. 671 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,040 It was quirky, it was cranky, and it wasn't like anybody else. 672 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,440 In Damon Lyon-Shaw, 673 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,040 he did pick an absolutely excellent engineer who got fantastic sound 674 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,080 so, you know, he just left that kind of stuff to the engineer. 675 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,640 He interfered a bit, you know? 676 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,640 Damon Lyon-Shaw talks about the fact that Kit always wanted 677 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,040 the needles in the red, 678 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,000 and all they did was they turned down the bit behind the needles, 679 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,920 so that the needles were always in the red, 680 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,200 but they were actually recording clean. 681 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,320 So, everybody got what they wanted. 682 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,040 The making of the record 683 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,840 and that period of our career was the most joyous time - 684 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,560 it was wonderful. And going to work a lot, working in the studio all day, 685 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,960 going out to do gigs at night - what more could anybody have wanted? 686 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,840 Kit made recording fun, there's no question about it, it was great fun. 687 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,000 # There's a man I found who can bring us all joy 688 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,800 # There's a doctor I've found could cure the boy 689 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040 # A doctor I've found... # 690 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,480 What's probably more important in the context... 691 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,400 and that these songs I DID manage to tackle, you know, 692 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,440 in the shape of the doctor's song "Go To The Mirror!" 693 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,320 was the complicity of parents and social workers, 694 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,240 and doctors and do-gooders, 695 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:12,440 in a sense, to try to get round the problems that this child might have. 696 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,440 # He seems to be completely unreceptive 697 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,680 # The tests I gave him show no sense at all 698 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,640 # His eyes react to light The dials detected 699 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:33,040 # He hears but cannot answer to your call... # 700 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480 The reason why none of the other cures, 701 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,440 the quacky cures or even the, you know, the credible medical cure, 702 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,120 the reason why none of them work is that because... 703 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,200 What's actually happened, of course, 704 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,440 is that Tommy is not deaf, dumb and blind, 705 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,680 he's not even really autistic, you know? 706 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,640 What's actually happened is that he's been traumatised 707 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,320 and is in a kind of shutdown state. 708 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,600 # Tommy, can you hear me? 709 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,760 # Can you feel me near you? 710 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,320 # Tommy, can you see me? 711 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,280 # Can I help to cheer you? # 712 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,040 What cures him is that the mother smashes the mirror 713 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,000 that he's looking at himself in and breaks the spell. 714 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,040 # Do you hear or fear or Do I smash the mirror? # 715 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,040 GLASS SMASHES 716 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,200 And when she smashes the mirror, he not only sees himself 717 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200 for the first time in the trauma of that moment, 718 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,840 but he realises the power 719 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,760 of his mother's loving rage and frustration. 720 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,560 And that's kind of, in a sense, what brings him to his senses. 721 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,960 And so then, "Da-dah! I'm free." 722 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,440 # I'm free 723 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600 # I am free 724 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,960 # And freedom tastes of reality... # 725 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,680 The whole thing is metaphorical, of course. 726 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,400 It's about a coming of age, you know? 727 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,840 About the fact that each of us, as young men, 728 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,560 that that happens to us at some point. 729 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,640 We break away from stuff that we've clung onto in our childhood 730 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,280 and we... 731 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,360 ..assume our power as men, and that's what happens to Tommy. 732 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,360 It's a pivotal song. It's the pivotal song. 733 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,200 It's from hereon in that all the problems need to be solved... 734 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,520 because you're back in the real world. 735 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,360 # I'm free 736 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,560 # I'm free... # 737 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,200 I think we probably discovered something about our sound in Tommy 738 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,600 when we played at the Ronnie Scott's Club. 739 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,440 And they decided to have a proper full-blown press launch. 740 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,000 They booked Ronnie Scott's Club 741 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,040 which, in itself, was a unique experiment, 742 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,880 to have a rock band playing at the famous London jazz venue. 743 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,200 And it was very hostile. They said, "Well, I know people there 744 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,200 "and they said the press were drunk, and sort of shouting at them 745 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,360 "and leering at them." 746 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,480 And as we started to play, somebody shouted out 747 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,600 "Smash your guitar, you sick BLEEP!" 748 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,880 So, I think that's kind of where we were, you know, 749 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,200 and whoever said that was drunk on our free booze, 750 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,080 so we didn't really have many friends. 751 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440 And so Pete said, "Right, let them have it." 752 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,400 I turned it up. I turned everything up. 753 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,160 We played with tremendous vigour and passion and vengeance, 754 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120 and fear that it wouldn't work. 755 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,080 And we played to absolute silence... 756 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,000 incredibly loudly, 757 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,520 but the ovation at the end kind of took us by surprise, I must admit. 758 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,040 That was... That was stunning. 759 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,280 The real change in The Who happened when they played it live, 760 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,600 not from the album. 761 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,800 That's when The Who sound really started to bed in. 762 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,960 # I'm free 763 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,920 # I'm free 764 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,160 # And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # 765 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,160 Several things happened to me at that time. 766 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,560 I was a Mod with curly hair, which was worse than having the pox. 767 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,960 And my wife said to me, 768 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,560 "Why are you straightening your hair? It's beautiful." 769 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,000 She said, "Just let it hang out." 770 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,240 And she, again, gave me the confidence to do it. 771 00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:45,160 So, I kind of gained a different physical persona. 772 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,880 # I'm free 773 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,400 # I'm free 774 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,120 # And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # 775 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360 He was your archetypical rock star of the '70s, 776 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,760 with his fringed jacket and his long hair and his bare chest. 777 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,360 Roger was definitive in the role and no-one will ever sing Tommy 778 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,320 the way Roger, you know, Daltrey did and does. 779 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,080 The fact of suddenly realising, "Oh, my God, we've got 780 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,600 "a rock god as a singer and not just an annoying fucker 781 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,920 "who disagrees with everything we say," you know? 782 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,240 It all added up to turning me into the kind of rock star 783 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:39,240 that I became. Previous to that, I was just another pop singer. 784 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:44,320 Daltrey sort of became the kind of visual expression of Tommy. 785 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,600 The audience was watching Roger singing Tommy as Tommy - 786 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,360 it was totally different. 787 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,880 # And I'm waiting for you to follow me... # 788 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,080 Roger just became this figure who was at the centre of things... 789 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,080 and it changed everything. 790 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,440 # How can we follow? How can we follow? # 791 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,920 What we have to accept is that what he's got a following for 792 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,560 is pretty bloody stupid. 793 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,200 You know, he's got a following, again, it's metaphorical. 794 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,720 If he's a pinball champion, it's just about as credible 795 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:29,880 and valid as somebody, you know, having a huge following 796 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,640 for writing songs about boys that wank over pictures 797 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,800 and smashing guitars. 798 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,360 So, you know, it was quite close to home. 799 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,560 This is about pop culture, 800 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,560 and the people around him, his pinball fans, see this 801 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,960 and they kind of go, "Wow, you know, you were deaf, dumb and blind and 802 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,120 "now you're OK and you can see, and you have this incredible freedom." 803 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,360 That's what his fans respond to 804 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,520 and they kind of go, "We want what you've got." 805 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,760 He has all these followers and they're basically in a holiday camp. 806 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,520 # Good morning, campers 807 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,040 # I'm your uncle Ernie and I welcome you to Tommy's holiday camp 808 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,360 # The camp with a difference Never mind the weather 809 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,520 # When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... # 810 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,720 The wonderful thing about The Who, of course, 811 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,640 was that what was a fairly po-faced idea to begin with 812 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,000 and probably far too... 813 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,640 ..far too serious, really, to have worked for a rock band 814 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,360 was that, as we worked through it, 815 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,400 it got lighter and lighter and lighter. 816 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,120 Keith Moon came up with the idea that, instead of Tommy opening up 817 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,920 his home for hundreds and hundreds of people, 818 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,560 that it would be a holiday camp. 819 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,480 # The camp with a difference Never mind the weather 820 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,320 # When you come to Tommy's The holiday's forever... # 821 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,960 So it was lighter and funnier and more delightful. 822 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,920 Tommy finally turns to the people around him 823 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600 and says, "Listen, this is really simple." 824 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,200 # Welcome... # 825 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,280 You know, "If you really want what I've got, 826 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,120 "if you want what you THINK I've got, then maybe you should just live 827 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,280 "the kind of experience that I lived. 828 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,760 "Pretend to be deaf, dumb and blind, you know, 829 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,920 "witness a few murders, you know, do what I did. 830 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,840 "Do as I do and you will end up where I am." 831 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,560 # Welcome to the camp I guess you all know why we're here 832 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:49,240 # My name is Tommy and I became aware this year 833 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,480 # If you want to follow me You've got to play pinball 834 00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,160 # And put in your earplugs 835 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,480 # Put on your eye shades 836 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,640 # You know where to put the cork... # 837 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,480 Woodstock was the thing that changed The Who. 838 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,360 There was something about the gathering of Woodstock 839 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,880 and the message of Tommy. 840 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,080 They all put it into this marvellous kind of birth, really, 841 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,400 of The Who and Tommy in America, 842 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,280 and it made them legends, really, that performance. 843 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,560 It broke The Who definitely in America. 844 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,880 I mean, that's when they really became an iconic band. 845 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,920 If you look at our gig book, we're at 2,000- or 3,000-seaters, 846 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:40,680 but it went from that to 120,00O overnight. It was ridiculous. 847 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,120 It was crazy. 848 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,440 # We're not gonna take it 849 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,440 # We're not gonna take it... # 850 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,640 Suddenly there was money and everything, you know, fame, 851 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,200 and it elevated them completely. 852 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,920 And then that period of my life, 853 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,240 that was a bit difficult to deal with. 854 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,360 One of the things that I probably knew was that 855 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,520 if it was as successful as I felt it might be, 856 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,840 it would challenge the life that my wife and I hoped for. 857 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,560 It would challenge the life that we were trying to create around us, 858 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,760 which was a very loving, normal English life. 859 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,040 And it was very difficult to do that in a band like The Who. 860 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,640 Nothing became real. 861 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,520 No-one was... People started treating you... 862 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:31,960 It's not you that changes, 863 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,280 it's the people around you - everybody, you know, 864 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,520 everyone treats you differently. So you go, "What's going on? 865 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,480 "Cos I haven't changed, I'm still me." 866 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,800 # We're not gonna take it 867 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,840 # We're not gonna take it 868 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,880 # We're not gonna take it 869 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,440 # We're not gonna take it 870 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,160 # We're not gonna take it 871 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,360 # Never did and never will... # 872 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,160 I think it's a human thing. 873 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,960 It's something that people do, 874 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,440 building our celebrities up and then knocking them down. 875 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,480 What society does is it takes what the charismatic 876 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,040 figure in society can give us, and then runs with it and takes it away. 877 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,640 And this takes the form of a kind of a rebellion, 878 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,360 and this is what happens to Tommy. 879 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,640 # See me 880 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,000 # Feel me... # 881 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:39,320 I started my journey as a fan, my journey as somebody who was 882 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,680 looking to music and celebrity and glamour... 883 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,880 ..for something. 884 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,760 Where DO you find the answers and how DO you grapple with them? 885 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,880 And what do you want from artists or gurus or spiritual leaders? 886 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,680 You know, how much do you need to do yourself? 887 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,880 Pretty much every great spiritual leader in the history of humankind 888 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,760 has said, "You know, at the end of the day look within your own heart." 889 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,960 "The master gravely shook his head 890 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,760 "and I knew that despite his infinite wisdom, infinite power, 891 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,840 "infinite awareness, that he WOULD not, COULD not tell me where 892 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,800 "to look or even what to look for. I had to find the answer myself." 893 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,600 # Listening to you 894 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,800 # I get the music 895 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,600 # Gazing at you 896 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,840 # I get the heat-heat 897 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,120 # Following you 898 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,120 # I climb the mountain 899 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,000 # I get excitement at your feet... # 900 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,520 Everybody! 901 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,400 The prayer at the end is two-fold - 902 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,680 one, we hear Tommy remembering, 903 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,200 "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me," 904 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,240 and then going back on his flight, 905 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:57,600 "Listening to you, I get the music," 906 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,600 turning towards the universe and praising her. 907 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,760 But, also, I get the sense, too... 908 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520 ..that this is the audience, as well. 909 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,240 They're also singing "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me." 910 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,600 They're also connecting with what it is 911 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,080 that is the real fact of the matter. 912 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,240 They are a collection of individuals, 913 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,720 and each individual has to live his own life. 914 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,080 And each individual has a relationship with the universe. 915 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,640 And so the end of Tommy is about that, you know? 916 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,800 And I think, without having read what Meher Baba said - 917 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,000 you know, you have to lose yourself in order to find God, 918 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,680 and you have to lose yourself in order to find your true self - 919 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,240 I don't think I could have hit on it. 920 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,200 You could never wish for a better ending to an album. 921 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,960 And it's about you - 922 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,320 and you, as a listener, 923 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,680 feel engaged and touched and moved. 924 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,800 And I think that's what Tommy did for The Who more than anything. 925 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,480 It picked our audience up from being... 926 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,120 ...a pop band-loving audience, 927 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,400 and moved them into being, 928 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:12,320 "wow, this is more than that, there's something else going on here." 929 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,240 # Listening to you 930 00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:16,920 # I get the music 931 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,000 # Gazing at you 932 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,120 # I get the heat-heat 933 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,680 # Following you... # 934 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,120 We always had an idea that Tommy was going to mean something. 935 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,040 You know, we liked the album 936 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,360 and we knew it was going to be...kind of important. 937 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,800 People can find more and more meanings in it, 938 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,320 and more and more levels of stuff 939 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,240 as they hear it again and again and again. 940 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,440 You listen to Tommy now and it moves you, 941 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,600 and it moves you because the things he's writing about 942 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,240 are absolutely eternal. 943 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,840 He was, without question, a pioneer, 944 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:56,000 and I would say this is a quintessentially important creation. 945 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,360 There was a feeling that it was actually something that would last. 946 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,520 It's true, I think we had shifted. 947 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,800 At that point, the centre of gravity had moved from popular culture, 948 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,440 from something that was just throw-away 949 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,840 to something that really started to mean something and had purpose. 950 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,400 The pre-Tommy Who, the '60s Who, 951 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,000 were a great gimmicky, clever, intelligent pop band. 952 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,840 Post-Tommy, The Who were heavy, serious rock, 953 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,160 up there amongst the top three. 954 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,480 Afterwards, for a period, probably the top rock band in the world. 955 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,240 Pete's music will be performed as the new classical music, 956 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,720 cos it's, in some ways, classically structured, 957 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,160 and, lyric-wise and emotional-wise, 958 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,760 they're timeless, and they always will be. 959 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,600 It does appear to be the only topic of conversation 960 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,400 that we've had for the past three years, erm... 961 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,960 so I'm fed up with talking about it, 962 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,160 I'm certainly not fed up with playing it. 963 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,480 As Bob Dylan so eloquently said when he came to see Tommy 964 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,840 for the first time at the Filmore, 965 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,960 "I've got another appointment." 966 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,480 But Leonard Bernstein got me by the shoulders 967 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,280 and said, "Do you realise what you've done?!" 968 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,960 So, somewhere along the line, I don't know. 969 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,760 # You feel me coming 970 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,560 # A new vibration 971 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,200 # From afar you'll see me 972 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:46,080 # I'm a sensation, I'm a sensation 973 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,800 # They worship me and all I touch 974 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,960 # Hazy-eyed, they catch my glance... # 975 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,640 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 83089

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