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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,964 --> 00:00:07,966 Thanks for tuning in today. I'm Niala Boodhoo, 2 00:00:08,050 --> 00:00:09,301 and my guest is Jacob Malco. 3 00:00:09,384 --> 00:00:11,220 He's the creator of three graphic novels. 4 00:00:11,303 --> 00:00:14,223 His newest, Obscurity, is just out. 5 00:00:14,306 --> 00:00:17,726 Jacob, when you look at what happened between your first book, Conjugality, 6 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:20,312 being such a success, being made into a movie, 7 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:22,439 following that up with Infidelity, 8 00:00:22,522 --> 00:00:25,776 and the actual infidelity that happened in your life, 9 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:29,238 I wonder how you feel like that affected your work. 10 00:00:29,321 --> 00:00:33,242 Yeah, the love story of Conjugality was... was compelling and sweet, 11 00:00:33,325 --> 00:00:35,369 and it... and it was real. It was a real thing. 12 00:00:35,452 --> 00:00:38,705 And meeting somebody else... 13 00:00:38,789 --> 00:00:41,917 [stutters] I don't know how that happens, but it happens to a lot of people, 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,337 I'm not unusual in that, and the infidelity was what it was, 15 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:47,506 but I did honor that love. 16 00:00:47,589 --> 00:00:51,093 [stammers] Yeah, I left my first wife, and I went with somebody else, 17 00:00:51,176 --> 00:00:52,803 but that's, you know, that happens, you know, so-- 18 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:55,973 Well, I think it happens. I think most people don't write about it, 19 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:59,393 so I wonder... And you're talking about how it affected people. 20 00:00:59,476 --> 00:01:02,437 Do you talk to your first wife or how did she feel about it? 21 00:01:02,563 --> 00:01:04,439 -I don't talk to either of them. -So-- 22 00:01:04,523 --> 00:01:05,649 I don't... you know, I don't have kids, 23 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,402 so I think that makes it easier not to talk to them. 24 00:01:08,485 --> 00:01:11,947 It's not really my choice. Yeah, obviously, you know, the, uh... 25 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:14,241 the first wife don't want to have anything to do with me, 26 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:16,368 and, uh, the second one, I don't know, you know. 27 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:20,539 So no feedback on how they've been portrayed in your works? 28 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:22,124 Yeah, there's been feedback. 29 00:01:22,207 --> 00:01:26,128 Uh... [stammers] it's a price you pay, you know, I mean... 30 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:28,463 I write about myself. I don't know, really, how else to do it. 31 00:01:28,547 --> 00:01:31,174 My life is really the... where... the source of my... 32 00:01:31,258 --> 00:01:33,969 my creativity and what happens in my life, so... 33 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:38,015 it's had effect on people in my life, it does, 34 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:41,810 and, uh, I mean, I can take responsibility to a certain degree, 35 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:45,314 but, uh, I... I guess they, you know... 36 00:01:45,397 --> 00:01:48,108 Well, they certainly know goin' in now... 37 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:50,819 [chuckling] whoever might... might choose to do that. 38 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:53,530 Well, and that's what, Jacob, I mean, that brings us to Obscurity and... 39 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:56,533 I mean, you have to ask... I have to ask about the title. 40 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:59,536 I mean, is that, you think, a reflection of where you're at right now? 41 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:02,873 [sighs] Well, you know, you... 42 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:06,960 At some point when you're an artist of any kind, you know, 43 00:02:07,044 --> 00:02:10,881 you want to be relevant, so when you feel that slipping away... 44 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:15,886 [stuttering] it's a little... sad. 45 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:18,430 and it's a little... frustrating, 46 00:02:18,513 --> 00:02:19,931 and also scary, you know. 47 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:22,267 So... so, I don't know... 48 00:02:24,645 --> 00:02:26,355 [stuttering] You know, I don't... 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,814 What was the question again? 50 00:02:27,898 --> 00:02:29,900 [music playing] 51 00:02:31,943 --> 00:02:34,237 [indistinct chatter] 52 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:35,322 Hi. 53 00:02:35,405 --> 00:02:37,074 -Hey, Angie, what's happenin'? -Hi, Jacob. 54 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:39,618 -[Jacob] You look pretty. -Thank you. [clears throat] 55 00:02:39,701 --> 00:02:41,620 Have you ever, uh, been to this place before? 56 00:02:41,703 --> 00:02:43,914 Nope. Have you? 57 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:46,416 Yeah, I love this place. They have, uh, good pizza, 58 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,044 they make a really good, um, salad. 59 00:02:49,127 --> 00:02:50,754 I don't remember what it's called. 60 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:52,381 Do you want to take your coat off and stay a while, 61 00:02:52,464 --> 00:02:53,465 -or what are we-- -No, I don't think so. 62 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:56,176 [stammering] I don't... I think I'm okay with my coat on. 63 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:58,261 -Oh, no. -[laughs] 64 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,932 -What happened? What's happening? -I read the... I read the comic. 65 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:04,476 The new book. You read my book. 66 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:06,061 -I read your book. Yes. -Okay. 67 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:08,480 -And how was that? Did you like it? -[sighs] 68 00:03:08,563 --> 00:03:11,358 Of course, I'm, you know, I... 69 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,944 Just so you know, I would prefer that I wasn't involved 70 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:16,905 in any future work of yours. 71 00:03:16,988 --> 00:03:19,366 -Okay. I-- -Does that seem fair to you? 72 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:22,077 No, I understand what you're saying. I don't... I don't know if it's fair, 73 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,203 if that's the word, but like... 74 00:03:23,286 --> 00:03:25,831 It's kind of... It's a little negotiable at this point. 75 00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:26,957 [sighs] It's negotiable. 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,375 -I don't have to use you-- -Great. 77 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:31,128 Just wait. Just hear me out. I don't have to use your real name. 78 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,046 -Oh. Yeah, I just don't-- -[stutters] 79 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,464 -How bad is that? -I don't think that's-- 80 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:35,799 Right? 81 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:39,803 I... I think this is it. I think this is it. 82 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,304 I think... I think I need to go. 83 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:42,472 Okay. 84 00:03:42,556 --> 00:03:44,850 -I need to go. -All right. 85 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:47,602 -Good luck with your comics. -Thank you. 86 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:50,063 -Good luck. -Yes. Have a good thing. 87 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:54,901 [waitress] Hey. 88 00:03:54,985 --> 00:03:57,362 -Hi. -[waitress] Is she coming back? 89 00:03:57,446 --> 00:04:00,115 I don't think she is coming back. 90 00:04:00,198 --> 00:04:01,533 It's okay. 91 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:03,076 [waitress] Would you like a menu? 92 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,370 Yeah, I'm hungry. Just... You can just set it down. 93 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:07,956 -I'll look at it in a second. -Okay. I'll be right back. 94 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,833 -Thank you so much. -Mmm-hmm. 95 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,524 -Hey, handsome. -Hi. 96 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:35,650 -Hi. -How's it goin'? 97 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:37,778 -It's going good. -I was lost there. 98 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:39,362 Mmm-hmm. Want anything else? 99 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:43,241 Um, no, I think I'm good. I'm just gonna drink coffee. 100 00:04:43,325 --> 00:04:44,576 All right, let me know if you need anything. 101 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:46,578 -All right. Okay, thanks. -Okay. 102 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:58,507 [choir] ♪ All is calm ♪ 103 00:04:58,590 --> 00:05:02,803 ♪ All is bright ♪ 104 00:05:02,886 --> 00:05:09,559 ♪ Round yon virgin, mother and child ♪ 105 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,687 [Jacob] How many people are in there, man? 106 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:16,858 It's not full, but, um, the people that are here are here to see you, 107 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:20,403 -just so you know. I mean-- -God, I don't get it, man, I don't get it. 108 00:05:20,487 --> 00:05:22,155 [stutters] Really? 109 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:25,700 The book just came out. I mean, I used to be able to fill the auditorium. 110 00:05:25,784 --> 00:05:26,993 I don't get it. 111 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:28,328 Yeah. [inhales sharply] 112 00:05:28,411 --> 00:05:31,081 I mean, I know that, like, okay, it's been, like, a long time 113 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:33,500 since I put somethin' out and now I got nobody? I got nobody? 114 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:35,669 Well, it's not nobody. There's... there's people here. 115 00:05:35,752 --> 00:05:37,045 -There's... I think there's just not... -[sighs] 116 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:39,631 It's not, as I say, not filled. 117 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:41,841 -Did you read the book? -I did, I loved it. 118 00:05:41,925 --> 00:05:44,636 Did you read what The Reader said about the book? 119 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:46,471 -Forget the-- -[stuttering] Did you read it? 120 00:05:46,555 --> 00:05:47,847 -I did. -Did you see? 121 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:48,932 What is... Who is that guy? 122 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:50,225 -Who is that guy? Do you-- -Doesn't matter. 123 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:51,643 -Have you read that guy? -Here's what you should-- 124 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:52,978 When did... Let me just ask you a question. 125 00:05:53,061 --> 00:05:55,772 When did snark just take over cultural... 126 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:57,649 -I mean, who... What are they, 12? -I don't know. 127 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,317 -Yeah, they're children. I don't-- -I'm sorry, man. 128 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:00,735 -[sighs] -I don't know when that happened, 129 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:03,446 but also... And don't be mad at the people who are here 130 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,657 because you're mad at the ones who didn't show up. 131 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:08,702 Just remember that. It's not their fault the other people aren't here. 132 00:06:08,785 --> 00:06:10,412 That's good advice but I don't know what's gonna happen. 133 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:11,997 Is there someplace where I can take my coat off? 134 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,748 -Sure. You can go in my office. -Where is that? 135 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:14,958 Um... 136 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,544 just take it downstairs and-- 137 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,087 I have to take an elevator? 138 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:20,505 -You don't have to. -[elevator dings] 139 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:26,052 "Keen observations and bold poignancy fill Mr. Malco's most recent novel Obscurity," 140 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:28,096 which just came out this week. 141 00:06:28,179 --> 00:06:32,350 "It's also been said Mr. Malco is a writer who knows how to keep his readers rapt 142 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:37,022 by recounting episodes of his life with such specific immediacy 143 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:38,898 and vivid emotional recall 144 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:42,444 that we experience his distress as our own." 145 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:45,113 Quite a compliment. Uh... "Critics and readers alike both adore and--" 146 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:46,197 [Jacob] You know what, Dave, listen. 147 00:06:46,281 --> 00:06:49,868 Dave, Dave, Dave, you know what? Let's just... 148 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:51,870 -[Jacob sighs] -"Often in the same paragraph." 149 00:06:51,953 --> 00:06:53,788 [Jacob] No, let's just scrap the formality. 150 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:55,165 I mean, come on. 151 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:59,502 Uh, hi. Thank you for coming. Ivan, what's up, buddy? 152 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,838 Justin. Is that Spencer? 153 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:03,340 Jacob Malco. 154 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,467 Why don't we just, um... 155 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:08,762 hang out, go somewhere and hang out. I'll answer questions, I'll talk. 156 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:10,847 I just... The lack of irony 157 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:13,183 between this event and the title of my new book is just 158 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:14,935 -too much for me to handle right now. -[woman chuckles] 159 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:17,437 [chuckles] Right. So, uh, can we do that? 160 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,690 [stuttering] More importantly, is, um... 161 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:23,068 [whispers] can we just do that, 'cause it's like... 162 00:07:23,151 --> 00:07:25,779 Two questions. If we do that, can I still get paid, 163 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,739 and can we just do that? 164 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:31,910 Dave? Can we just go to a... It would be fun, right? 165 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:35,830 And I guess we could open this up to, uh, after the bottles are done, 166 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:37,832 we could open it to question and answer. 167 00:07:37,916 --> 00:07:39,584 Really? Are we really gonna do like the-- 168 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:41,586 -Have to do a little something. -All right, I have a question. 169 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:43,797 -Yes, young lady up front. -[laughs] 170 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,216 -What's... What's your name? -Uh, Alison. 171 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,300 Hi, Alison. 172 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,220 Yeah, nice to meet you, um, Jacob? Can I call you... 173 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,973 -Or is that too informal? -Jacob. Jake is fine. 174 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:55,350 -Yeah, no, no, no. Uh, it's fine. -I want to stay to the structure. 175 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:56,601 [Jacob] Yeah. No. [Alison] Okay. 176 00:07:56,685 --> 00:07:58,770 [Jacob] Jake is good. Yeah. [Alison] Okay, cool. 177 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:00,855 Um, I mean, your first book is so romantic and... 178 00:08:00,939 --> 00:08:02,232 [chuckles] Yeah. 179 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:03,984 -Look how that turned out. -...like, positive. I mean... 180 00:08:04,067 --> 00:08:06,403 -Yeah. -...was that an honest... 181 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:09,781 -you know-- -Yeah. I mean... 182 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:12,617 The question was about the first book being romantic and positive. 183 00:08:12,701 --> 00:08:14,369 -I'm a romantic, yeah. -[Jacob] Did you... I... 184 00:08:14,452 --> 00:08:16,204 [Dave] Yeah, we can hear. 185 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:17,288 -All right. -Yeah. Okay. 186 00:08:17,372 --> 00:08:19,833 I just... I'm trying to honor the format, Dave. 187 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,002 -[Alison chuckles] -[sighs] All right. 188 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:24,170 -Can't a guy... All right. -[chuckling] 189 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:26,214 I don't know... 190 00:08:26,297 --> 00:08:28,466 Yeah, it was honest, but, you know, I... 191 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:29,968 [stutters] You know, was I being honest with myself? 192 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:32,220 I think there's an argument to say no, because the second book, 193 00:08:32,303 --> 00:08:34,889 I ended up meeting somebody else so was that love real? 194 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:39,185 Was that romance real? It was. Did it ultimately sustain? No. 195 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:43,189 So, yeah, it was a happy story that... from a period of my life 196 00:08:43,273 --> 00:08:46,401 that, uh, you know, didn't, uh, didn't remain. 197 00:08:46,484 --> 00:08:47,902 But, yeah, I think it was honest. 198 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:50,488 And is, um, is Melanie in your third book? 199 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:53,116 Is she in Obscurity or... 200 00:08:55,493 --> 00:08:58,538 -She's not even in my phone. -[all laughing] 201 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:01,166 -Ah. Thank you. -[Alexandra] No problem. 202 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:03,710 -[Jacob] Great. Alexandra, right? -Mmm-hmm. 203 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:09,049 So, uh, I am, uh, officially tired of, uh, talking about myself. 204 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:10,508 [Alison] Well, that took a while. 205 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:12,343 -[all laugh] -Oh, very clever. 206 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,304 -No, I enjoyed it all. -Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. 207 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:15,930 -[Jacob] That's very nice of you. -That's why I'm here. 208 00:09:16,014 --> 00:09:17,974 [Jacob] You guys, you're all in graduate school, 209 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,309 you're in the graduate program over there? 210 00:09:19,392 --> 00:09:21,436 -[Alison] Yeah, yeah. -You're artists, right? 211 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:23,730 -Mmm-hmm. -And you do, you do... 212 00:09:23,813 --> 00:09:26,274 You're a photographer? [stutters] You're photographers. 213 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:27,609 [Andrew] I do video, motion. 214 00:09:27,692 --> 00:09:30,904 Okay, so you do... you take pictures of yourself with your phones? 215 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:34,157 Yeah. Yeah, I'm a... I use a selfie stick and, um, a phone. 216 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,076 [bartender] Last call, all right? [Jacob] We're doin' it? 217 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:37,368 -[Alexandra] Are you sure? -We're all doin' it. 218 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:38,912 -[Andrew] We're all doin' it. -It's already last call? 219 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:40,497 [Andrew] Four shots. [bartender] Last call. Four shots? 220 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:41,915 -Yeah. He's payin'. -[bartender] What can I get you? 221 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:43,249 -Really? -Yeah, we got it. 222 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:44,542 -Okay. -[bartender] This guy's gettin' it. 223 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:46,252 Four shots? Oh, my God. He's on the one. 224 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:47,921 No whiskey? All right, pick. What's it gonna be? 225 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:49,005 -Tequila. It's always tequila. -Tequila. 226 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:50,507 [bartender] Tequila shots? Patron? 227 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:51,633 -Oh, no. -[Alexandra] Yes, thank you. 228 00:09:51,716 --> 00:09:53,009 [bartender] You got it. [Alison] To Obscurity. 229 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,220 The book. Not... not real. I... 230 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:56,513 [Andrew laughs] 231 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,474 -[Alison] Oh, all right. -Here we go. [panting] 232 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:00,683 -Oh. -[slamming glasses on table] 233 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:02,060 [Andrew] Hey, Jake, 234 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:04,646 do you mind if I use your charger? For my phone, right here? 235 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:07,232 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do... What is... Is it the right kind? 236 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:08,358 I feel like my phone's old. 237 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:11,402 -Thank God you guys came to that thing. -[chuckles] 238 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:12,487 -Right? -[Andrew chuckles] 239 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,198 Thank you. A toast to you for showing up at that thing, 240 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,450 -that could have been fuckin' tragic. -[Alexandra] Hmm. 241 00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:19,244 [Andrew] Thank you for, uh, going through with it. 242 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,495 [Jacob] Yeah. Can you imagine if I was 243 00:10:20,578 --> 00:10:22,080 just sitting there talking with those dudes-- 244 00:10:22,163 --> 00:10:23,790 [Alison] Oh, my God. [Andrew] There it is. 245 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:26,209 I think, like, uh, those are the only few copies available. Uh... 246 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:27,293 -[Andrew] Can we have? -[chuckles] 247 00:10:27,377 --> 00:10:28,378 [Alexandra] That's it. [Alison] Can we... 248 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,755 -[Alexandra] That's the whole... -Yes, you can... Yeah, sure, you... 249 00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:33,174 -[Alison] Hey, it looks beautiful. -Thank you so much. Mmm-hmm. 250 00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:35,260 You watch things broken down by movements, right? 251 00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,846 Like what we were just talking about, that's how they break them down. 252 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:39,472 -Fine. -Well, we are part of a movement. 253 00:10:39,556 --> 00:10:40,765 What's the movement called? 254 00:10:40,849 --> 00:10:42,851 I mean, it's whatever you want to call it, but it's... 255 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:44,769 [Jacob] That doesn't sound like an organized movement to me. 256 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:45,937 [Andrew] Doesn't have to be organized. 257 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,522 [Jacob] Okay, fine. [Alison] Yeah, a lot of movements 258 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:49,357 haven't been organized. This isn't political. 259 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,651 -Alexandra? -Dra. 260 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,903 [Alison] You're much more close-minded than I expected. 261 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,990 I thought we would bond over some of our... our ideas. 262 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,159 [Jacob] Okay, self-portraiture is different than selfie art. 263 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:00,743 [Alexandra and Alison] No, it's not. 264 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,620 [Jacob] This is probably half of my next book. 265 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:03,746 [Alison chuckles] 266 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,914 -See? -[Alexandra] Is that too much? 267 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:06,791 You take everything from your life. 268 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,127 Exactly. So you got a problem with that? 269 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,713 -You got a problem with being in the... -No, we do the exact same thing 270 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:13,464 -but you, um-- -But what if you were gonna be in the book 271 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:15,508 and I don't represent you the way you like? 272 00:11:15,592 --> 00:11:17,135 That's fine by me. 273 00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:18,761 -Really? -Yeah. 274 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:20,513 Do you want to spend the rest of your life with me? 275 00:11:20,597 --> 00:11:22,140 -Maybe. -Really? 276 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:23,683 -We'll see. -[chuckles] 277 00:11:23,766 --> 00:11:26,477 [Jacob] Karen was sweet, I don't, what am I gonna do to Melanie, probably? 278 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,354 [Alexandra] Lots of people are friends with their exes. 279 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:31,107 [Jacob] Yeah, that's a generational thing. I think sometimes-- 280 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,568 [Andrew] I still have sex with my ex. [Jacob] Am I in your art? 281 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:34,819 -Yeah. -[Andrew] Oh. 282 00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:37,530 [Jacob] But that doesn't seem very provocative. 283 00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:39,824 [Alison] Oh, fuck off. You haven't seen it yet. 284 00:11:39,908 --> 00:11:41,075 [Andrew chuckles] 285 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,161 [Jacob] I'm not... Okay. Let's do it. 286 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:44,704 [Alexandra] I have a flier because we printed them. 287 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:46,456 [Jacob] Oh. Great. [Andrew] Daniel Sinks, different forms. 288 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:47,540 [Alexandra] It's called "Green Light." 289 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,125 Are you gonna look at us and tell us you're coming? 290 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,251 You gonna tell us? 291 00:11:50,335 --> 00:11:51,753 -You gonna promise? -I'm coming to the show. 292 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:53,129 -Okay. -I'm coming to the show. 293 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:54,255 -Okay. -All right. 294 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:55,632 -Man of your word. -[Jacob] All right. 295 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:56,841 -All right, thanks again. -Yeah, see you later. 296 00:11:56,925 --> 00:11:57,967 -It's a pleasure. -[Alexandra] Okay. 297 00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:00,053 Wait. What about... Wait, are you gonna wait for her? 298 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:01,137 -Out there? -Oh. 299 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,347 No, she'll come meet us at home soon. 300 00:12:02,430 --> 00:12:03,556 -Yeah, she's good. -[Jacob] Really? 301 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,184 Yeah, she's good. She's having a nice time. 302 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:07,727 -Okay. -We're tired. We got up early. 303 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:09,228 -[Andrew] Yeah. -All right. 304 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:11,481 -[Alexandra] Bye. Goodnight. -Goodnight. Just slam the door. 305 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,400 [Alexandra] All right. We will. 306 00:12:14,484 --> 00:12:16,110 [Alexandra yawns] 307 00:12:16,194 --> 00:12:17,987 [door opens and closes] 308 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:23,743 [music playing faintly] 309 00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:31,084 -[Alison] Hey. -Hi. 310 00:12:32,043 --> 00:12:34,379 Uh, your friends took off. 311 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:36,005 I know. [sighs] 312 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,260 [chuckles] What? 313 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:45,723 -No? -[chuckles] 314 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:56,359 Okay. 315 00:12:56,442 --> 00:12:57,944 [both breathing heavily] 316 00:12:58,027 --> 00:12:59,070 Yeah? 317 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:01,280 [Alison moans] 318 00:13:02,907 --> 00:13:05,159 [both kissing and breathing heavily] 319 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:20,883 [camera shutter clicking] 320 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:06,345 [inhales sharply] 321 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,015 [sighs] 322 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,310 Hello? 323 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:18,191 Alison? 324 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,321 [groans and coughs] 325 00:14:23,404 --> 00:14:24,697 [smacks lips] 326 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:27,075 [sighs] 327 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:30,370 [intercom buzzing] 328 00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:31,454 -[Jacob] Hello? -[groans] Fuck... 329 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,498 [sighing] 330 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,668 Dude, open the door, I'm freezin'! 331 00:14:37,752 --> 00:14:40,671 -[whimpers] My God. -[door buzzes open] 332 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:41,881 [sighs] 333 00:14:45,176 --> 00:14:46,719 [Annabelle] Hello. 334 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,304 -Jonesy. -[Annabelle] Oh, my God. 335 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,014 This guy just walked right into me. Right in-- 336 00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:51,307 [Jacob] Jonesy. 337 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,017 Uh, first... and then... 338 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:54,477 Help me. 339 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,813 -I don't think I-- -I did. I brought coffee. 340 00:14:56,938 --> 00:14:59,690 Oh. Back up. I already made some. 341 00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:02,360 Oh, my God, I don't think I can move. 342 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:04,153 -I don't think we're going to brunch. -[opens fridge door] 343 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,364 -That's good. Yeah. Look in the fridge. -Mmm-hmm. 344 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:07,824 There's probably plenty in there. 345 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:08,908 [Jacob] I've got a little thing. 346 00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:11,077 What? 347 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,414 I, um... I'm not gonna say 348 00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:16,666 -that, like, I'm in love or anything. -Hmm. 349 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:19,460 -I just... I'm not gonna... -[chuckles] 350 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:21,629 -I don't have to tell you about it. -[sighs] 351 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:25,091 No, you don't. Can we talk about something else? 352 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,010 The one liked me because she likes my autobiographical work. 353 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:29,887 She likes that I do work about myself. 354 00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:32,306 -She likes that you're famous. Go on. -But she's also-- 355 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,267 No, she loves that you're famous. Go on. 356 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:36,978 She sees herself as an autobiographical artist. 357 00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:39,313 And so she's connecting with me. I understand the famous... 358 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:40,982 -I'm not that famous. -Oh, you're both... you're both... 359 00:15:41,065 --> 00:15:43,234 -Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. -Yeah. Memoirists or whatever, we-- 360 00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:45,486 But how old is she? 361 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:47,488 -And I'm not judging, I know-- [stutters] -Twenty-four. 362 00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:50,616 Yeah, good for you. And really beautiful, right? 363 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,160 -Your hair looks good. -No, but it's, like, really-- 364 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:53,411 -[stuttering] Really-- -Your hair looks good. 365 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:55,538 -You're just letting it be, right? -I don't... Can we... 366 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:59,208 Honestly, you're doing a monologue at all times. 367 00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:02,712 -[sighs] -And then every once in a while... 368 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:06,466 do you just... See, now you're listening. 369 00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:09,385 [stuttering] But, like, I could say nice things to you, like, 370 00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:12,680 "Do you know how green your eyes are? Is it the shirt? 371 00:16:12,763 --> 00:16:14,140 What's happenin'?" 372 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,601 "Last night, I met this sexy young selfie artist, 373 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:20,438 and I'm psyched because maybe I'm gonna fuck her brains out." [laughs] 374 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,732 You know? Like, did you already do that? 375 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,108 [softly] Yeah. 376 00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:26,652 -Was it good? Was it good? -I did it. 377 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:27,904 -I'm pretty sure it was good. -Okay. 378 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,740 -[stutters] I was like... I worked. Hard. -[sighs] But it's-- 379 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:31,824 [laughs] All right! 380 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:36,245 I mean, I really do think we should, uh, just consider... 381 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,039 We could adopt a kid. 382 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:41,042 But we don't have to be romantically involved, maybe. 383 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:43,211 -Well, how about-- -And I'm not saying I know that will work, 384 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:46,172 -I'm just saying we wonder about that. -[sighs] 385 00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:50,384 Okay, how about you adopt a kid and you call me and you're like, "It's here." 386 00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:52,345 -[laughs] -"Come over and see it." 387 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,284 Here you go, Jacob. 388 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,328 -Black, just the way you like it. -Yeah. Thank you. 389 00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:19,539 I think I should probably just live here at some point. 390 00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,415 -Right? -[chuckles] You're more than welcome. 391 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,292 -[both chuckling] -Nah. Thank you. 392 00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:30,675 -[Annabelle] Yay! -Holy shit! 393 00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:32,093 -When did it get cold? -Right. It's freezing. 394 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:34,345 -Is this it? I lost the invitation. -Yes. Come. Come on! 395 00:17:34,428 --> 00:17:36,847 I had to look at my text that I sent you. All right. Let's go. 396 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:51,445 [inaudible] 397 00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:11,841 Do you want a beer? I'm gonna go get soda. 398 00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:13,384 -No, no. I don't -Okay. I'll be back. 399 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:15,094 [techno music playing] 400 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,055 Hey, man. [stammers] I'm a really big fan. 401 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,016 I just started reading Obscurity. I'm such a fan of your work. 402 00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:21,892 -Thanks. I appreciate that. -Thanks for everything you do. 403 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:23,853 -[Jacob] That's great. Thank you. -Jacob. Jacob. 404 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:26,564 Over here. You gotta see these. 405 00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:28,274 -Yeah? -Yeah, they're amazing. 406 00:18:28,357 --> 00:18:29,942 Oh, that's her. 407 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:31,777 Like, I love, like, this whole-- 408 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,030 Yeah. [chuckles] 409 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:35,865 Men's underpants. They're probably that guy's. 410 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:37,992 -Looks great. Look at her. -That's not a man. 411 00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:39,577 It's incredible, the thing... 412 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:41,912 -But this one's my favorite. -Okay. Oh, shit! 413 00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:43,039 What the fuck? 414 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:44,707 It's my favorite one. 415 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,916 That's my ass. 416 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:47,918 -That's me. -I know. That's the side of... 417 00:18:48,002 --> 00:18:50,087 -It's your flank. But-- -God damn it, what is she doing? 418 00:18:50,171 --> 00:18:52,089 -Why did she do that? -Stop, don't. Honestly, it's beautiful. 419 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:53,466 No, but it's not right. I want it taken down. 420 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:54,842 No, but just put your... put your arms down. 421 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:56,218 -What? -Hi, Jacob, how are ya? 422 00:18:56,302 --> 00:18:57,470 -Oh, hey. -Hi, Dave. You know Dave. 423 00:18:57,553 --> 00:18:58,596 Oh, no, we've met. Yeah, hi. 424 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,056 -Right. How are ya? It's... -Oh, Annabelle Jones. 425 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:01,515 I want that taken down, I think. 426 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:04,352 It's not up to me, this is part of the department's. This is-- 427 00:19:04,435 --> 00:19:06,354 [stammers] Okay, I'm gonna go get a beer. I'll see you guys. 428 00:19:06,437 --> 00:19:07,605 [Dave] This is a student of the department. 429 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:08,773 I know. I know who she is. 430 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:10,566 -You were a guest of the department. -I mean-- Yeah, yeah. 431 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:13,110 -This is bad for the department. -I got other problems, man. 432 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,279 I threw you a bone and this is how you repay... 433 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:16,697 I'm up for tenure, do you understand? 434 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:18,407 Look, I didn't... You didn't fuck her, I fucked her. 435 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,160 She's not gonna fuck your tenure up. It's my ass on the wall. 436 00:19:21,243 --> 00:19:22,662 What do you think... She's a grownup. 437 00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:24,205 What is she, you think she's gonna call her daddy? 438 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:25,623 -What are you, her daddy? -This has become 439 00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:27,249 my problem, there's evidence that you did... 440 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:28,334 Dude, dude, dude. 441 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:29,585 -Don't call me "dude." -What the fuck? 442 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,629 -[Dave] You're a fuckin' cartoon. -Wait. Oh, really? 443 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,465 What are you, Professor? Fucking loser. What is she-- 444 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:35,966 -Jake! Jake. -Hi. 445 00:19:36,050 --> 00:19:37,593 Hi, how are you? 446 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,637 I'm fine, but what is... what is that? 447 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,223 I didn't know you were taking that. You can't just-- 448 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:43,516 [Annabelle] I just wanted to say congratulations. 449 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:44,600 -Hi. Oh. -I'm Annabelle. 450 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:45,685 -Alison. Nice to meet you. -[Jacob] Okay. 451 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,645 Annabelle Jones. Beautiful work. Congratulations. 452 00:19:47,728 --> 00:19:48,938 [Jacob] Annie, can I talk to her for a second? 453 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:51,565 -Well, I... She's having a show. -Can I talk to her for a second? 454 00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:52,983 -Can I talk to her for a second? -And I wanted to... 455 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,236 Sure. Knock yourself out. 456 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:59,240 That's not right. You can't just put my... [stutters] 457 00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:01,158 It's like date rape. It's like a roofie picture. 458 00:20:01,242 --> 00:20:02,243 It's like date rape? 459 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,745 -[Jacob] It is kind of, isn't it? -So, I guess you don't like the work? 460 00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:05,955 -[Jacob stuttering] -[Alison] Calm down. 461 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,873 [Jacob] I'm not gonna calm down. Like, my ass is hanging out. 462 00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,208 -[people laughing] -You didn't ask me if that... 463 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:11,669 That's my house, you were in there, I was sleeping. 464 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:13,087 I didn't know you were taking that picture. 465 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,214 -That's just rude. What does it mean? -Let me ask you a question. 466 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:16,298 Did you draw me? 467 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,633 -Yeah, I drew you. -Oh. 468 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:18,759 -But I didn't put it up. -Did you ask me? 469 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,428 I didn't tweet it, I didn't put it on what, I... 470 00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:22,722 -Did you ask me permission? -No, but I didn't do anything with it. 471 00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:24,306 So, it might end up in a book, right? 472 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:25,891 -Yeah, but it's gonna end up-- -Maybe 12 years later, 473 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:27,309 -but eventually. -That's not the point. 474 00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:28,436 What does that mean? There's no story to that. 475 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,855 That's just sort of like, "Look, I fucked this guy and he's sleeping." 476 00:20:30,938 --> 00:20:31,981 There's completely story, this is my life. 477 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,192 [Jacob] Look at this... that old guy. No, no, I mean, how many are there? 478 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,360 You have a whole phone full of this shit? 479 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,445 Are you trying to slut shame me now? 480 00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:39,739 No, I'm not trying to slut shame you. Why didn't you return my text? 481 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:42,992 [Alison] My privacy is public. [Jacob] Yeah, but mine isn't. 482 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:44,785 [Alison chuckles] Uh, I don't think that's true. 483 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,537 -What do you-- -I think privacy is dead, 484 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:47,997 and you were one of the first people to do that. 485 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,499 No. Oh, well, that's very flattering, but, you know, 486 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,877 I think that's not the same fuckin' thing. 487 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,504 Is that my privacy, when I... What are you doing, Andrew? 488 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:56,756 -[Andrew] Keep the passion. -Is this your art? 489 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,466 -[Andrew] Keep the passion. I love it. -Is this your art? 490 00:20:58,549 --> 00:21:00,092 Keep the passion? Are you out of your fucking mind? 491 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:01,469 Okay, why don't you just calm down for a second? 492 00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:02,887 [Jacob] Why don't you go live a real life? 493 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:03,971 -There it is. -What is... what is that? 494 00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,140 [stuttering] I know what you're gonna do with that. 495 00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:07,224 What is that, click bait? 496 00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:08,350 -Oh, my God. -Is that... is that what you... 497 00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:09,435 -This is what you do? -Don't touch the work. 498 00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:12,021 Is it about the clicks? Is that what determines your art? 499 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,148 -Why don't you get a fuckin' job? -This is my job. 500 00:21:14,231 --> 00:21:17,193 Really? Is it? How's that going? You makin' a livin'? Where's the... 501 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,360 Listen. 502 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,739 What is this shit? What are you, fucking zombies? 503 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:22,823 [all laughing] 504 00:21:22,907 --> 00:21:24,575 Is this funny to you? 505 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,787 You know what's really ironic is that none of you have a point of view, 506 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:29,580 but it's all the same fuckin' point of view. 507 00:21:29,663 --> 00:21:31,165 There's no depth to what you're doing. 508 00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:33,417 You're as deep as your arm's length to your fucking camera. 509 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:34,502 Jacob, why don't you calm down? 510 00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:35,586 This is ridiculous. These are like the... 511 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:36,670 I know what you're gonna do with it. 512 00:21:36,754 --> 00:21:37,963 So what, I'm gonna be on 513 00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:39,256 -the Internet tomorrow? -Okay, ta-da! 514 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,842 This means nothing, and it's gonna last forever. 515 00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:43,135 -[indistinct chattering] -Congratulations. 516 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:45,179 [indistinct chattering continues] 517 00:21:45,262 --> 00:21:48,724 No depth to it. Just wait a second. Here's how deep you are. 518 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,727 [stutters] Here's to your camera, to your fucking dumb head. 519 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:53,437 -God damn it. -When you're not taking selfies, 520 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,564 you're feeding off someone who's having a real life. 521 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:56,649 [sighs] 522 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,859 -Anyway, great. Ta-da! -Good night. 523 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:01,862 [Annabelle] Whether there's three people, 524 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:04,615 there could be 300, 30 people, it doesn't matter. 525 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:05,866 -Ah, I just can't. -Just talk... 526 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,034 [stammers] Just say what you want to say. 527 00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:08,786 No, I'm not gonna... I... There's like... 528 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,539 If there's, like, three people, [stuttering] I don't... 529 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,500 Hey, Mr. Malco. It's gonna be about five minutes. 530 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:15,584 -Can I get you-- -Five... Hey. 531 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,503 If there's, like, three people out there, 532 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,256 can I just sign books and maybe talk to them individually, 533 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,841 and just leave? 534 00:22:21,924 --> 00:22:23,384 Uh, no, it's... We're full. 535 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,011 Um, we had to borrow some chairs from next door, actually. 536 00:22:26,095 --> 00:22:29,306 That's hilarious. I'm serious, though, if there's, like, five people... 537 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:30,558 [Mike chuckles] 538 00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:33,727 Uh, seriously, there's, like, 50 or 60 people out there. 539 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:35,896 -Really? -Thank you, Mike. 540 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,231 -So, yeah, it's a good turnout. -Mike, right? 541 00:22:37,314 --> 00:22:38,857 -Yeah, I'm Mike. -Annabelle. Thanks, Mike. 542 00:22:38,941 --> 00:22:40,317 -Hey. Yeah, sure. -Yeah, there are 50 people. 543 00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:43,320 -Thanks. Thank you. -Mmm-hmm. You need anything? I'm... 544 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,656 -No, thanks. -[stutters] Not right now. 545 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:46,740 -Okay. -Thanks. 546 00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:48,409 -Mmm-hmm. -Fifty. 547 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:50,286 -I just... [indistinct] -[Mike] Good evening, everybody. 548 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,581 I'd like to thank everyone for coming out to our winter reading series. 549 00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:56,584 Uh, it's nice to see such a great turnout. 550 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,378 We have a very special guest tonight, uh, Jacob Malco. 551 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,172 He's a local Chicago graphic novelist. 552 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,009 Uh, he's gonna be reading from his new book, Obscurity. 553 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,969 So let's give him a warm welcome. 554 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:08,804 [all applauding] 555 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:12,808 [Jacob] Thanks, Mike. 556 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:15,603 Hi. How's everyone doin'? 557 00:23:15,686 --> 00:23:17,146 Good. 558 00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,982 I'm, uh, Jacob Malco, and, uh... 559 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,443 I don't... I don't want to just read. 560 00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,862 I have a... I have a feeling that some of you are here... 561 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:29,533 Most of you are probably not here 'cause you even know who I am, right? 562 00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:32,244 I'm just, uh, the angry guy from the video, right? 563 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:34,163 How many people saw the video? 564 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,458 Wow. Great. 565 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,753 Well, I write graphic novels, 566 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:42,630 but we don't have to talk about that right now, 567 00:23:42,713 --> 00:23:45,299 'cause I feel like you're expecting something else. 568 00:23:45,382 --> 00:23:46,425 And, um... 569 00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:48,385 let's just address that. 570 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:51,639 Do you have any questions? 571 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:54,600 What's up? 572 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,936 Do you really think my generation's just a bunch of vapid idiots? 573 00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,021 No, I mean, that was said in anger. 574 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,565 Look, I watched that thing, I'm not proud of it, but I had... 575 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:05,402 I think I was trying to make a point about, uh... 576 00:24:05,486 --> 00:24:08,030 I was personally upset about some art work, 577 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,367 and then I turned around and there's 20, 30 people with iPhones 578 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,869 taking essentially the same... 579 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:15,329 piece of footage. 580 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,247 If you were to look at that in that moment, 581 00:24:17,331 --> 00:24:18,832 just turn around and spontaneously 582 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:22,336 20 people with iPhones taping you, that's pretty vapid. 583 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:24,797 So, maybe it was just a reaction to that. 584 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,215 Yes? 585 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:30,386 Uh, I'm curious if the artist who you slut shamed in the video 586 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,930 has had any response to the tirade? 587 00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:34,098 [indistinct murmuring] 588 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:36,350 [smacks lips] No. 589 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,976 But she's here. 590 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:40,729 Alison is here. You want to come up and, 591 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:44,858 you know, and address the... You want to make a comment? 592 00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,193 Are you inviting me? 593 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:47,986 Yes, I'm inviting you. 594 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,322 -Okay. -Please come up and let's try to... 595 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,574 -[cheering and applauding] -Hey. 596 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:56,453 Hi, guys. 597 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:57,830 Um... 598 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:02,793 So to give some context for the video, um, we were at my grad show, 599 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:08,090 um, I make work that's not dissimilar to Jacob's. 600 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:12,219 Um... I use myself and my personal life 601 00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:16,223 and as a narrative and, um... to bring up important ideas. 602 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:21,687 Um, he uses a pen and paper and I use a selfie stick and an iPhone. 603 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,731 [Jacob stuttering] Right, but I mean, he... Here's the... 604 00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:26,316 here's the other context, is that... 605 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,027 [stammers] we had, um, 606 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,488 we had slept with each other and I was asleep. 607 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:33,198 -I was asleep and-- -[Alison] See, like, 608 00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:34,700 that's really personal, and you didn't ask me 609 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:36,368 if you could share that with everyone, so... 610 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:37,745 [Jacob] Yeah, but I'm... This is not the art, 611 00:25:37,828 --> 00:25:39,580 I mean, I'm trying to get the proper... [indistinct] 612 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:40,664 [Alison] What was the problem-- 613 00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:42,166 Well, you know, it was jarring, you know. 614 00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:44,042 -I'm going to see this... Like, we-- -Right, but even now, 615 00:25:44,126 --> 00:25:45,836 you know, we're standing in front of all these people 616 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,005 -and you're not jarred... -Like, I feel a little disrespected. 617 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:49,590 -[Alison continues indistinctly] -A little blindsided. 618 00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:51,467 [Jacob continues indistinctly] 619 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,473 -[Alison] All right. -[all laughing] 620 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,602 That was fun. [chuckles] 621 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:03,771 You know, it was. 622 00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:07,441 It was... it was really fun. I thought it was engaging. 623 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,818 I think it was... We're a good team. 624 00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:11,069 -Cheers to that. -[laughs] 625 00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:12,488 Yeah. 626 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:16,408 Yeah, no, it was, uh... That was... that was amazing. That was great. 627 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:18,952 That was a book signing that turned into, like, 628 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,663 one of the best discussions I've had... 629 00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:22,748 -in the last two years. -It-- 630 00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:23,999 And I'm in grad school, so... 631 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,209 -[laughs] -You know what I mean? 632 00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:26,460 -That's not nothin'. -I, uh... 633 00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:28,045 -Well, or maybe it says something... -Oh, my God. 634 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:29,922 -...about grad school, but... -Let me just say this, though, 635 00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:31,006 uh, 'cause I don't want to forget. 636 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:32,966 The... [stutters] I, um... 637 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:35,928 I am sorry... 638 00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:37,596 -Oh. -...about... 639 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:38,722 I didn't expect that. 640 00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:42,434 ...about, you know, making a scene at your big night. 641 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,728 -And... I like the work. -Honestly, I have to tell you-- 642 00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:46,522 -Listen to me. I like the work. -Okay, okay. I'm sorry. 643 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,023 I like the work. 644 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:49,107 You know, I was just... 645 00:26:49,191 --> 00:26:51,902 I think it was more of a personal issue. 646 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:53,111 As it turns out. 647 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:56,031 [stuttering] I'm... you know, I'm stubborn, but I'm an open-minded guy. 648 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,909 And... and I think that really what it was about was... 649 00:26:58,992 --> 00:26:59,993 [stammers and sighs] 650 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:01,245 Well, let me say something first 651 00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:02,496 -to that point. -All right, all right. 652 00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:05,040 Honestly, like, that is what I would... 653 00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,168 I couldn't have imagined... Like, I could have paid someone 654 00:27:08,252 --> 00:27:12,422 to come in and do and say what you said as a performance art piece. 655 00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:14,633 -I mean, this has, like, been-- -[chuckles] Well, it is now. 656 00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:18,428 Like, who has a grad show and then gets a viral video out of it 657 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:20,681 and then a great book signing and, like, all this conversation. 658 00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:21,765 -I don't know. -All right. All right. 659 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:22,850 So I'm just saying, like... 660 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,102 Art and life, right? No... no difference, right? 661 00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:26,687 -Yeah. -Oh, my God. 662 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,772 [chuckles] Hey. Hey! 663 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:30,524 -What? -Cheers. 664 00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:34,528 Oh, this is the greatest horrible thing to ever happened to me. 665 00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:36,071 [Alison chuckles] 666 00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:37,281 [interviewer] So, uh, before we go, 667 00:27:37,364 --> 00:27:38,907 I know you've gotta go, 668 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,119 um, but I want to just ask you one more question that might be weird. 669 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,788 So, happy to turn this off or not, you know. 670 00:27:44,872 --> 00:27:47,749 And I... I don't wanna, again, embarrass you here, but the... 671 00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:51,003 I have to ask you about this, the... the video. 672 00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:52,504 -You can turn that on. -Are you sure? 673 00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:53,755 -Mmm-hmm. -Okay. 'Cause it... 674 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,633 All right, but I'm not trying to get you or anything like that, I'm not gonna-- 675 00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:57,968 -On the record. -So you, yeah... 676 00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:00,429 Yeah, the video was, you know, embarrassing. 677 00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,055 -Uh-huh. -And when I first watched it, 678 00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:03,140 I was like, ugh. 679 00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:05,517 But it was... it was weird 'cause when... 680 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:07,728 -when I was losing it in that rage... -Mmm-hmm. 681 00:28:07,811 --> 00:28:09,313 And I don't know if you're a rage guy but, you know, 682 00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:10,856 -you don't have much control over it... -Yeah. 683 00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:11,982 ...when you're in it. 684 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:14,109 But even when I was in it and I saw all those cameras, 685 00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:16,194 I'm like, I know what's gonna happen with this. 686 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,322 -I dramatically lost my shit... -Mmm-hmm. 687 00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:19,907 ...in a public space with a lot of cameras, 688 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450 and I knew something would happen, 689 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,827 but I certainly didn't know that it would get the... 690 00:28:23,911 --> 00:28:25,954 [stutters] the traction that it got. 691 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,664 I mean, I don't know if it's... 692 00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,416 Certainly, I'm not one for... 693 00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:30,876 -for adages... -Mmm-hmm. 694 00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:33,754 [stutters] ...that, "No publicity is bad publicity," is that it? 695 00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:36,131 But, look, I look like an asshole, 696 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,009 but I did say a few things I thought that I could get behind. 697 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,512 It's a little bit embarrassing, but, uh... 698 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:46,266 [stuttering] but, you know, I think we're selling a few books. 699 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:48,352 [pop music playing] 57186

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