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Anybody has the power
to become famous
by doing something destructive.

CHAFFETZ: Mr. Shkreli,
do you wish to make
an opening statement?

On the advice of counsel,
I will not be giving
an opening statement.

Do you think you've done
anything wrong?

On the advice
of counsel, I invoke
my Fifth Amendment privilege

against self-incrimination
and respectfully,

decline to answer your question.

TRAVIS LANGLEY:
What do we consider to be
this dark part of human nature?

You're in a unique position.

You really are, sir.

You have a spotlight.

You could use that attention
to come clean,

to right your wrongs.

The way I see it,
you can go down in history.

LANGLEY: Now we're looking
at where we start to think of
villains in life.

They have this fascination
with evil.

And once you see somebody as a
villain, you are then ready to
make them fit,

and assume they must have
the other qualities as well.

CONGRESSMAN:
I know you're smiling,
but I'm very serious, sir.

LANGLEY: And if you
show up immediately ready to
relate to him as human being,

does the villain need a friend?

To Mr. Shkreli,
since I have you in front
of me, let me say this.

CONGRESSMAN:
I truly believe you could become
a force of tremendous good.

There's so many people that
could use your help, you know?

PATRICK CALDWELL:
You're a bro and you embody

the problems with
the pharmaceutical industry.

CHRISTIE SMYTHE:
But it's not real.

That's a character
he kind of puts on.

BILLY THE FRIDGE:
Everybody thinks
he's this big piece of shit,

and he's got what he deserves.

ANDY POLLACK:
Character and ethics,

I think it really matters.

BILLY: It's not him, dude,
he's a symptom of the problem.

The story's not over yet.

I can't tell his story
unless I get to know him.

We're sitting here watching
his live stream, every week,

and he's right downstairs.

September 11th here.

It's October first.

-[PEOPLE CHEERING]
-2016, it's been a good year.

January 20th,
Operation Find Shkreli.

Okay, Martin Shkreli, I get it.
This is New York winter.

I feel like I've been
watching Martin Shkreli

for, like, a straight year
of my life right now.

No Martin Shkreli to be seen.

Naked shower guy from the
building over is back.

He pretty much tells you
everywhere he's going, all the
time.

That's Martin.

June 26th, day one of the trial.

I feel like a real journalist
right now.

Yep.

Real journalism
happening right here.

Anytime something new happens,

cut it out,

put it on a board,

mark it, edit it,

save his live stream, that's how
you make this movie, I guess.

I don't have to do a thing.
Martin Shkreli is making
this movie.

He's making this movie
every single day.

What I want to figure out is
how this guy became the
most hated man in America.

-Martin Shkreli.
-Martin Shkreli.

REPORTER 1:
Price gouging Pharma Bro.

REPORTER 2: Pharma Bros.

REPORTER 3: One of the most
hated guys in the country.

The most hated man in America.

He's the guy who
bought the rights

to a lifesaving drug,
then immediately hiked the price

from $13.50 a tablet to $750.

That's price gouging,
pure and simple.

Martin Shkreli doing
what he does best,

looking like
a real slapable prick.

If you could rewind the clock,

WOMAN:
I wonder if you would
do anything differently?

I probably would've raised the
price higher, is probably
what I would've done.

CONGRESSMAN:
Are you listening?
You can change the system.

He's a sociopath.

That's how
the game's played here.

That's how capitalism
in America is played.

REPORTER 4: Federal prosecutors
charge Martin Shkreli with
securities fraud.

Even the courtroom
sketch artist couldn't
resist making

Shkreli look like
Gollum on trial.

REPORTER 5:
He was the person

who paid $2 million
for the one and only copy

of Wu-Tang Clan's mythical
Once Upon a Time in Shaolin CD.

How's the album?

One hundred percent,
none of your business.

REPORTER 6: Shkreli
came outside, where protesters
zeroed in on him.

MAN: Stupid piece of [BLEEP].

You think there's absolutely
nothing wrong with what
you're doing?

Absolutely.

-Does anyone wanna
ask questions?
-Bring it on.

[PHONE BEEPING]

Okay, so we found Martin's
number online.

Apparently he answers it
on all of his livestreams.

So we're gonna give him a call.

SHKRELI: Hello.

Hey, Martin?

Hey, can you hear me?

Yeah. Who is it?

Hey, when are you
being sentenced?

I'm just wondering...

Woah, hey! I asked
you a question.
Do I know you?

No, I just, I saw people
calling in on your livestream,

so I thought I would
ask a question.

Yeah.

No, don't call me.

Okay, sorry.

No problem.

Bye.

HODGE: The first time
I ever talked to him,

I just called him up, and...
It's like a hotline.

I think I enjoy that
the most, because it's
the playing with fame thing.

It's just like,

"Hi, yeah, I'm a person
you've heard of.
Call me."

Hello?

-Hello.
-Yes.

MAN: Hey, hey, Martin Shkreli?

Yeah.

What is this webcast?

Is this something
that you do...

often or is it just
a one-time thing?

BILLY: He would have
these multi-cam chat rooms,

bunch of people
on video talking,

and there would be
even more people watching.

When you're the smartest guy
in the room,

you love making it known
to other people

who think they're better
or smarter than you.

So I can see why he was
trolling a lot of the people.

People just call him
and they don't know
what to say,

and they're just like,
"Oh, you picked up."

And he's like,
"Yes, you called me."

MAN: Is this Martin?

No, it's fucking Lucifer.

How may I help you?

No, you've reached Santa Claus.

Yeah, it's the North Pole.

What present can I get you?
Fucking moron!

These poor people here,
I can smell them
from the Internet!

MAN: Okay. I'm watching you
on Periscope. I'm a little
bit behind you right now.

Yeah, it sounds like you're
mentally a little bit behind.
What's up?

SMYTHE: There's no sense
of allocation of fairness
or anything like that.

You know, if you're just
calling him randomly,

he's like, "Yeah, it's my time,
I can do whatever I want."

You can call me at
6-4-6-2-1-7-2-7-8-3,

if you've got some fucking,
little, testicles.

Little fucking balls.

You may know, I webcast my day.

I sit there and eat a
bagel. I'm a normal dude,
money's stacking up.

That's great.
I hope it keeps
stacking up.

PATRICK CALDWELL:
His livestreams,
after that first hour,

it is boring as hell.

It's kind of ironic.
He isn't the most
entertaining villain...

in terms of the things
that he's physically doing.

You're like,
"You're just a person.

"And you're
a very weird person."

Right, you want
some chicken, kitty?
Here you go.

HODGE: I call
into his livestream,
and it's the easiest way

-to get a film made...
-Yeah. [LAUGHS]

You get every question answered.

Yeah, he would continue
just taking in the people that,

you know, wanted to attack him
and showing them a little
of who he was.

You can't sit down,
have a one on one

with all of America,
but he sure fucking tried.

If you wanna
punch me, come find me.
48th Street, 2nd Avenue.

Let's just say,
it's not gonna end well.

You're gonna meet
my friend here.

Blow you a kiss.

[CHUCKLES]

HODGE: After many
livestream conversations,
it's about time

to move in to Martin Shkreli's
apartment building. Whoo!

It's not me
trying to be deceiving.

This isn't me
trying to be sneaky.

I thought if I moved into
this building, I could
get closer to him.

I could get the truth.

I could figure out
if he's really an asshole,

like the world
makes him out to be.

How do you become
the most hated man in America?

Price gouging,
harassment, stealing?

Or is it being
a total douchebag?

Fame or infamy
was a performance art.

Whether we like it or not,
Martin Shkreli has made his way

into pop culture,
unique, polarizing.

Maybe it'll even
go down in history.

So to understand this,
we need to understand
the beginnings,

the small European
mountain town
of Shkrel, Albania.

Made it to Albania.
There's the mountains.

Every single building
and store in this area
has Shkrel as the name.

What I've gathered
from the locals,

you take the Shkreli last
name with you, represent
pride for the Shkreli region.

The question is
what do these guys really think

of their hometown hero,
Martin Shkreli?

[SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGE]

HODGE: As I'm learning,
the last name Shkreli arises
from battle and courage.

Maybe that's why Martin Shkreli
won't back down to haters,

it's in his name.

[SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGE]

HODGE: Well, there you have it.

Albania's forever grateful
to Martin Shkreli.

SHKRELI: In my
Albanian community,

people look up to me
for making it in America.

They're proud of me
and my accomplishments,

but if I did something bad,
they wouldn't be proud of me.

And, you know,
if I did something

that they felt was
morally wrong,
I'd be shunned.

We like our villains to come
from one of the two main
backgrounds,

poverty or privilege.

We get the one
who wants to rise up
and overcome whatever

was holding them back earlier
in life.

We can admire that,
we may not admire

what they do with that,
but we can really get that.

SHKRELI: I was born in
Coney Island hospital.

I had to fight my way out
of Coney Island hospital,
I was born.

ANDREW POLLACK:
You know, he likes publicity.

He likes to show
the world that Martin Shkreli
has made it,

that this poor boy from
Brooklyn whose parents
were janitors

from Eastern Europe,
has made it in the world.

SHKRELI: We moved to Brooklyn,

the most affordable place
we could find,

the first rent controlled place
we could find,

shared a room with my brother.

I'm talking about two bedrooms,

you know, four kids.

I'm from the block

where people get robbed
and shot all the time.

I didn't have a silver spoon.

Made it on my bootstraps,

very proud of that.

CILVARINGZ: Came from nothing,

You know, literally came...
His parents were still janitors.

I believe they're still janitors
to this day.

SHKRELI: My mom still works.

She won't let me support her.

I keep begging her to let me
buy her a house or whatever.

And they're just like, "No."

MAN: He had a great deal
of early life success,

left high school
for graduating,

got some internship
on Wall Street, and he was
kind of considered

this boy wonder, if you will.

BILLY: He started off
in the hood, in nowhere,

made his way up through
the ranks to millions.

And that's not...
Not only is that not easy,

that's not really probable.

That's not possible.

That's very rare.

SHKRELI: I struggled a lot.

I went to City College,
I earned my way to the top.

I think I should earn
a little bit of respect.

There's just this, like,
childlike quality where
anything is possible,

you can make anything happen,
no one can tell him "No."

And if he thinks he can start
a drug company, he will.

That sounds nuts.

That sounds naive and insane,
but he did it.

POLLACK: Orphan drugs
are for a disease

where there are fewer
than 200,000 people.

Years ago, decades ago,
drug companies ignored
these diseases.

It was thought
that you couldn't make money
on those diseases,

because there's just not
enough patients.

So why spend
the money to develop?

So, in 1983, Congress
passed The Orphan Drug Act,

which gave tax incentives

to help develop
rare disease drugs.

If you can charge a huge price,

then even
a few thousand patients
is a big business.

So that's what made
orphan drugs popular.

A drug that's off patent
is only inexpensive

if there is sufficient
competition.

If there isn't, older drugs
can have higher prices
just like new drugs.

At the time, it wasn't that
unusual for somebody

to take a big
price increase like this.

Other companies did this.

This was a business model
that had been employed
over and over again.

This was a playbook
that was becoming fairly common

in the pharmaceutical industry.

And particularly
for an orphan drug

where there's few patients,
the insurers won't really care.

And so these companies
started searching

for these obscure,
neglected drugs,

buying them and turning them
into very high priced drugs,
one of the earliest

around 2006, 2007,

there were congressional
hearings on that.

People were outraged.

So, Martin comes along
and starts Retrophin

which did that,
with two or three drugs.

Their strategy was the same.

We'll take care of the patients
who can't pay,

we'll give it away free,
we'll pay the co-pays,

we'll bend over backwards.

But for most patients,
the insurance will pay,
and we'll make a lot of money,

and we'll put that money to use
developing new drugs.

Then he gets
kicked out of Retrophin,

and then he did it with Turing.

They bought
this drug, Daraprim.

AARON KESSELHEIM: Daraprim is
the brand name of a drug
that's called pyrimethamine.

Pyrimethamine is an antibiotic

that treats a particular
infection called toxoplasmosis,

originally approved by the FDA
about 50 years ago.

It's been selling for
a dollar a pill for years

and after Turing acquired
the distribution rights,

then they jacked the price up
from what was like
$13.50 to $750 a tablet.

HODGE: So why can't
anything be done
to stop a guy like this?

Because we don't have any laws
in our country to stop it.

Unfortunately, you know,
the United States

doesn't have set pricing

or any way to really
negotiate that there's
got to be a fixed price.

It's got to change.

We can't afford
our current healthcare system.

I think what we often overlook
is that markets

are actually human
accomplishments.

We made the market for drugs
that makes it rational

to raise the price of a drug
5,000% in a very short
period of time.

We made that market.

GLENN COHEN:
So healthcare is different,
first and foremost,

I think from all perspectives,

because essentially,
we need it,
we need it desperately.

It's not optional.

Without healthcare,
we are either going to die,

or we're gonna live lives
that are full of pain
or lack function.

And sort of
an interesting question

is if he had been
a different kind
of personality type,

would this story
have played out
very differently?

You know, I don't think
his heart is necessarily
in the wrong place.

I think he just thought,
you know, the rules
didn't apply to him.

SMYTHE: He had found a nexus
between the hedge fund world
and the pharma world.

COHEN: You just see
a human being that's
capable of a whole lot.

POLLACK: He was in charge
of his own companies

from an early age,
so there was no one to say,

"Martin, this is wrong."

The whole story was not helped
by Martin being a jerk,

but then something
really bad happened.
[CHUCKLES]

[PLAYING GUITAR RIFF]

Hello.

[HODGE SPEAKING]

You sound like a weird guy.

Yes.

You sound like...

You kinda sound like
a pedophilic macho man.

[CHUCKLES]

Nah.

Oh, yeah!

HODGE: So, what led
to this phone call?

SMYTHE: I was covering
the courthouse in Brooklyn.

I had a story about him
being under investigation.

♪ No flex zone

♪ They know better♪

Hello?

Hello?

♪ They know better♪

All right, guys.

We peaked at 300,
400 viewers. I think
it's time to go to sleep.

I love all of you.

I also hate all of you.

HODGE: The drug company CEO
who raised the price

of a lifesaving pill
by more than 5,000%
has been arrested.

Martin Shkreli, characterized by
some as public enemy number one

for the alleged
drug price gouging
he's been accused of

is arrested Thursday morning
for something else.

FEMALE NEWS ANCHOR:
Federal officials confirmed
to CBS News

that Martin Shkreli faces
charges of securities fraud.

We expect to learn more about
the case at a news conference
in about two hours.

SHKRELI: That guy was banging
on my door, "Federal Agents.
Federal Agents."

"Arrest warrant.
Arrest warrant.
Open the door!"

My attorneys said that
the prosecutors would
alert me pre-arrest,

give us one last chance
to show our innocence.

Fucking morning of the arrest,
I was like,

"Hey, what happened
to that one last chance?"

Hello.

SMYTHE: After he got arrested,
it was just like
a terrible day,

outside in front of the
courthouse all day.

We're all waiting in just
drenching rain for him to
come out.

And he finally
came out looking

pretty unfazed
by the whole thing.

REPORTER:
Hey, man. Don't punch
my fucking camera.

SMYTHE: That's what
people wanted.

It's the tragedy
completing itself.

You know, like he did something,

It pissed everybody off.

Now he should be punished.

I assumed it was for
something related
to pharmaceuticals.

And then I learned that
it wasn't that, it was
this hedge fund scheme,

from years earlier,
and I hadn't even known

that he had been
a hedge fund executive, really.

Shkreli essentially
ran his companies

like a Ponzi scheme,
where he used each
subsequent company

to pay off defrauded investors
from the prior company.

What he was accused off
was funneling money

through these sort of
sham consulting agreements.

If you rob a bank and then you
rob another bank and you repay
the first bank,

you've still robbed
that first bank.

Even if you gave the money back,
you still committed a crime.

He wasn't on trial
for anything that America
accused him of, right?

Like nobody cared
about the fraud shit. Nobody.

They just know "Bad guy.
I want to point him out.

"I want somebody to hate.

"and I don't want to be wrong
for hating somebody."

POLLACK: It's not hard
to imagine that once Martin
became infamous,

they stepped up
their investigation.

This was a feather
in their cap,
for arresting this person

that people didn't like.

It was him versus
the government,
and the government barely loses.

America loves shit bags.
They just like it
on their condition.

They like to be stroked
before they're fucked.

Martin, just went in bare balls.

That was the problem.

[PHONE RINGING]

Hmm. Another caller.

Hello, caller.

-HODGE: Hello?
-Yes.

Martin?

-Caller!
-Oh, my God I
actually reached you.

Oh, my God.
You finally called.

Okay, I'm very confused.

Why are you going to jail,

or being investigated?

Yeah. He is being investigated.

-No, I was arrested.
-Yeah.

I was arrested.

You, sometimes,
in the United States of America,
get a chance to post bail.

Especially if it's
a non-violent crime.

I have that opportunity.

I posted bail
of $5 million, cash.

There's $5 million
sitting in an account right now.

While that money is there,
I'm allowed to go do
what I please.

And, uh, let's see...

The trial.
There's a jury trial.

[PEOPLE SPEAKING
INDISTINCTLY ON PHONE]

Sorry, there's a lot of
background noise. Do I have
your full attention?

-Five million.
-Do I have your full attention?

There's a lot of noise in the
background. Are you at
a party or something?

How dare you disrespect me
like this? There's 1,000 people
listening to me.

And you call me and you don't
have the deference to at least

pay attention
to the conversation.
What is wrong with you?

When I call someone, I give them
my full, undivided attention.

Fucking prick.

If we get arrested
you're paying for our bill?

I know. We won't get arrested.

I've, well...

I've e-mailed these guys
probably five times now,

and no one's gotten back to me.

And so, we'll see if we can
get into this building.

This whole area
is for pharmaceuticals.

And the head office of one of
Martin Shkreli's old companies,

is amongst them.

Retrophin's right there.

We're gonna walk in.
We're gonna see if somebody
can finally talk to us.

We'll see how it goes.
Wish us luck.

Here we go.

You did a foot shot.
That's cool.

Should I tuck in my shirt
or leave it untucked?

It won't matter

Okay, second floor, Retrophin.

Let's do it.

Okay.

That is not working.

We're gonna try again or maybe
just wait by the elevators
till somebody goes up.

That's what you have
to do to get the story.

Oh, thank you.

Did that guy go away?

Okay, so we successfully
made it, at least to
the second floor.

I'm just going to wait
for a receptionist,

and hopefully
there's a way I can at least

talk to somebody in
communications or PR.
And get a couple answers here.

So let's wait around.

I'm not in a hurry.
I'm in San Diego.

I'm not in a hurry.

Here's a Retrophin
corporate fact sheet.

I don't see
Martin's face on there.

This company looks
kind of interesting.

-Hi there.
-WOMAN: Hi,
have you been helped?

No, not yet.
Actually, I was gonna ask you.

So we're just looking to see
if there's a director
of communication

for Retrophin.
We wanted to chat to him.

There's an exec of the company,
Martin Shkreli.

We're looking to see
if anyone can talk about

our film and talk
about him at all.

-I sincerely doubt it.
-Really?

I sincerely doubt it.

Probably your best bet is going
to be to call in the morning.

-Okay.
-And have them put you through

to the director
of communication.

-Okay. Sounds good.
-All right.

Thank you so much.

But...

No, I'm saying tomorrow.

No chances for
Martin Shkreli interview?

He's not welcome
in the building.

-We all spit on him.
-Really?

Okay, well,
I love the artwork here.

It looks great.

-Thank you.
-Yeah. Thank you.

I'll call them for the morning.
Thanks so much.

I didn't get spit on
in the building.

That's a positive.

I think there are several
aspects of this story that
made it light on fire

the way it did.
One was the people who were
affected by this price increase.

Patients with HIV,
pregnant women,
people with cancer.

I mean, these are obviously
vulnerable populations already,
and to take a drug

and to make it inaccessible
to them just seems like
the height of all evil.

It got the attention of the HIV
Medicine Association,

the Infectious Diseases
Society of America.

And then Andy Pollack in The
New York Times wrote
a big story about it.

POLLACK: One minute after
I sent the email, he was on
the phone calling me up.

He was happy to talk about it.

Toward the end of our
conversation that time,
he began to realize

this isn't going
to look good in the paper.

ROBBINS: There's something
human about putting an actual
person into that story.

We're used to nameless,
faceless corporations out
there just doing evil.

POLLACK:
Just a combination of things.
Hillary's tweet,

Martin's personality,
financial hedge fund
profiteering.

The whole situation went viral.

This was something that
everyone could attack.

There are things that
are done in this industry
in terms of pricing

that people try not
to talk about.

And he talked about them all.

It's hard to believe that
somebody could be
so driven by greed.

ROBBINS: People from
the pharmaceutical industry

that were distancing
themselves from him

as if he was the bad apple,
politicians coming after him.

The whole time
he was responding,
he needed a PR person,

and somebody needed
to give him some duct tape.

He brought
the attention to himself.

And he also can
get under people's skin
very effectively.

COHEN: Unapologetically
price gouging.

SMYTHE: The social media
horror story on steroids.

POLLACK: His willingness
to be in the limelight
even if it's in a bad way.

CILVARINGZ: Martin just says
what comes to mind.

Like he was
saying some dumb shit.

CALDWELL: You're a bro and you
embody the problems of the
pharmaceutical industry.

COHEN: The poster child
for bad activity in
the pharma world.

CALDWELL:
This is a person who is
a living embodiment of it.

ABERG: It's 100% about profit.

COHEN: It was just so clear,
like, the bullshit was
just on display.

SMYTHE: Is Martin Shkreli
the most hated man in America?

There would be no negative story
about Martin Shkreli
that would not get written.

You know, most news reporters
are not supposed
to use adjectives.

But you could just load
adjectives and stories
about him,

and it would be fine.
Someone called him a human
mysterious mattress stain.

If I take that money
and I'm using it to do
research for dying kids,

I think I'm a hero,
let alone evil.

ABERG: He knew what he
was doing was not illegal.

One of the loopholes,
and he knew it was
a way to make money.

Generally, you rely
on morality of entrepreneurs
to just not do that.

But there are always exceptions,

the increasing costs seem
completely gratuitous.

No country can set at our price.

Drug companies set drug prices.
And that's the rule
of law today.

If you don't like that,
you know, I don't know
what to tell you.

That's the way the world works.

ABERG: "For those that point
a finger at me I point
one back."

"It's not my index,
and it's not my pinkie."
It's like, "Really?" Grow up.

I mean, that's when
I was like, "Oh, no.

"We're dealing with somebody
that's very immature."

He was able to bring people's
emotions into this story

in a way that is needed
for people to care about it.

He was a different kind of
hateable than your faceless
corporate CEO.

And I don't know anyone
that gave him a chance.

♪ For just a bill I could
cop a little, roll it up

♪ They say Seattle gotta chill
I think we're cold as fuck

♪ You want some warmth
buy a coffee, hold the cup

♪ Go back to where
you came from, tell them
that you rode the duck♪

HODGE: Billy the Fridge
is a 500-pound rapper
and sex symbol.

[LAUGHS] Yeah, a little bit.

But beyond that,
I'm a cute boy.

I can't help it.

I'm like the Marilyn Monroe
of fat dudes.

HODGE: Do you think
Martin Shkreli's a bad guy?

No, not at all.

I know
he considers me a friend,
and I consider him a friend.

He's a very regular person
when you get past the fact

that he, you know,
is a very controversial person.

You could put all the clips
together where he's being
a mean

son of a bitch to people.

But you probably could have
even longer where
he's sitting down

and just being
a good human, too.

But it's not as fun
as the fuckin' shit talk.
[LAUGHS]

Three hundred dollars.
Buy one yourself,
you poor piece of shit.

Go to another country,
you want free healthcare, go.

Go to, Canada, go.

I didn't spell
anything wrong, bitch.

BILLY: Maybe he was trolling
to get away from the fact that
his world was crumbling.

Fuck you too.

The best thing about trolling
is you get to create
a world, right?

You're gonna create a moment
that is larger than life.

It's unbelievable,
but people believe it.

That's all. It's like magic.
Ta-da. [LAUGHS]

They're like, "Well, fuck you.
This isn't real."

Yeah, but it's part of the show.

You got what you paid for.
You paid attention.

I look at him and I see him,
as, you know, a person
whose great power,

maybe was used irresponsibly.

And he still has a great power.

LANGLEY: The journalists
and publications decided to
make this guy the villain,

and it was fun.
And he loved it.

Martin loves
being that villain.

Even his own real name,
Martin Shkreli sounds
like something

Stan Lee would have made up.

He looks for the positive
in even horrible situations.

One horrible situation
being everybody hating you.

I guess he just said,
"All right, if I'm gonna
be a supervillain,

"I'm going to be
a supervillain."

SHKRELI: It almost became
a thing where I wanted
to participate in it and say,

"Yeah, I am evil."

I'll be the Bond villain.

CALDWELL:
Willingly and knowingly
painted his narrative

as terribly as possible.

SHKRELI: A lot of times people
want an enemy. And if I'm
that enemy for you, good.

I'm happy, man.
I'm fulfilling some need
in your life.

LANGLEY: There's this tendency
for us to want to dichotomize

the villains and the heroes.
To see the villains as all bad.

There's something very human
in that aspect.

In the comic books
there have been
a couple of times

when Dr. Doom
took over the world.

Each time Doom
got bored with it
and created opportunities

for others to challenge him,
to attack him.

INTERVIEWER:
It's supposed to be
an incentive system.

I don't know
what it's supposed to be.

It's a business.
We're supposed to make
as much money as possible.

The Joker understands
a lot of the worst
qualities of people.

This frustration with the rest
of the world at not getting

the joke as he sees it.

I didn't say I was joking.
You saw the video.
Get outta here, man.

Now you're disrespecting me.

LANGLEY: They'll perceive
anything from other people
as a threat.

I feel like you think of
yourself a sort of Lex Luthor.

LANGLEY: Lex Luthor
is also a philanthropist,

The Riddler, he's not
secure in his ego,
even as large as it is.

The Penguin was this
odd looking little kid,

and now he wants to show
the world "I'm bigger
than you ever knew

"I was going to be."

And Shkreli seems
to be very driven
by that need to achieve.

We need to know that we've had
an effect, that we've mattered.

Because eventually,
we're not going to be here.

SHKRELI: Hello?

MAN: Hey, Martin,
question for you.

Do you always
think you're gonna
be the super villain?

The only question is,
what are you gonna do about it?

[LAUGHS]

CALDWELL: Trying to understand
the kind of mind that
has the value system

to get enjoyment
from that, it's so delicious
and fascinating.

MILO YIANNOPOULOS:
Most people aren't bad.
They just have different ideas

about how the world
should look.

This super villain thing
is sort of like part joke.

Well, like all great brands,

it contains a kernel of truth,
and the rest is marketing.

There's a line in a Batman comic
when the Penguin said,
"What's the point

"in committing the perfect
crime, if no one knows
it was you who did it?"

My name is Cilvaringz.
I'm a producing artist
with Wu-Tang Clan.

I came up with the concept
for the Once Upon a Time
in Shaolin album,

the one copy album,
and I produced
the entire record as well,

right here in Marrakesh.

In a few minutes, we'll be
playing you Once Upon
a Time in Shaolin.

It will be the first
and last time any music
from this work will be heard

by anyone else.

MAN: In doing
this announcement
we reclaimed the idea that

recorded music
should be regarded
as a work of art.

HODGE: You had
some offers on this,
but why Martin Shkreli?

He was the only one
that really respected it

for the concept behind it.

Music wasn't seen
as art anymore.

The way we released
this album is the way
originally music was sold.

Why not release a work
of music as a work of art,
as one single piece?

Martin Shkreli looked like
a dude that was, you know,
into hip-hop.

He was really loving
the concept and wanted
to be part of the concept.

And we said "That fits."

SHKRELI: The point is, I wanted
to show respect for art.

That's something that people
are not doing these days.

MAN: Release the fucking
Wu-Tang album.

Are you a big fan?

What was the last
Wu-Tang album called?

Uh... Bye.

You wanna hear Wu-Tang?

Wu-Tang Clan?

Let's get back to these
closures, okay?

Trashy was sitting
on my Wu-Tang album.
Tried to reach out and pet her,

it scared her.

And she bounced.

I think it's broken now.

HODGE: You think
he was disrespecting
the Wu-Tang album?

I don't see
the problem with that.

You know, it's his.

He can do whatever he wants.

SHKRELI: This is my coaster,
as you guys can see here.

HODGE: But he was using
the album as a coaster.

Yeah, he was
being an asshole
with it sometimes.

Like, he was saying
some dumb shit.

See, Martin just says
what comes to mind.

Tell you a funny thing.
You know who has been
most on point?

I think even
with Martin's story,
has been TMZ.

REPORTER: Ghostface Killah,
I got to ask you guys, man,
you guys know that guy

bought your guys' CD
for $2 million at the auction.

Yeah, that [BLEEP] head.

Yeah, [BLEEP] head bought it.

You know, most people
don't ever try to be...

You know what?

What do you guys think?
Nobody's that dumb.

Just because he was in the
Wu-Tang Clan 20 years ago,
doesn't make him

-a tough guy.
-REPORTER 1:
Now you're talking.

REPORTER 2: The feud continues
to escalate between former
Turing Pharmaceutical CEO

and Ghostface Killah.

If he were here right now,
I'd smack him right
in the face.

-FEMALE RADIO HOST:
No, you wouldn't.
-Absolutely.

These guys got serious goons.

They will come and F you up,
like, this is serious.
Don't challenge.

Nobody's ever
challenged the clan.

I think there's a saying
you're all familiar with.

-It's called "I wish you would."
-[MALE RADIO HOST LAUGHS]

There could be real
consequences, in that
it might be a criminal threat.

You think it's
a criminal threat?
What, are you a lawyer?

-I am.
-Yeah, actually he is. [LAUGHS]

SHKRELI:
What do you know?

You must be on Ritalin
or something, man. I mean,
take the stop, man.

It's like you a fake ass
supervillain, man.

I swear on anything,
youse is a fake supervillain.

If we are preaching this
dystopian future for music.
I mean, what better symbol

for a dystopian music future
than Martin Shkreli.

That it ends up in the hands of
this most evil man in America.

Nah, I'm cool.

Yeah, so I'm just
doing an interview.

Real quick.

I'll talk to you in a minute.

All right.

Let me tell you something
about Martin Shkreli.

He wouldn't bust a grape
in a fruit fight.

He wouldn't do
none of that shit.

He ain't no gangster.

I ain't no gangster.

You know what I mean?
I'll just put that work in.

Where it needs to be put in.
You see what I am saying?

You wanna jump from $13
to $750 for one fucking pill.

Like, yo,

that shit better make you live
for a million years.

That move he did was
a fake ass gangster move.

You know what I mean?
Doing that shit like that.

But then you're going
to start all this commotion
and beefing

and doing all this dumb shit,
like, "Fuck that guy's face,
I'll smack..."

It's like, nigga, you see me
right now, you wouldn't do shit.

It's not even in your heart,
you know what I mean?

I read you.

I'm talking about, I'll look you
dead in your fucking eyes, B.

And from head to toe and just
see what type of nigga you is.

You see what I'm saying?
He's not that dude.

And I'm not the one
to promote violence.

But for him, well,
I don't give a fuck.

HODGE: So,
this kid buys this album,
named Martin Shkreli.

I don't want to talk about
Shkreli no more. Fuck Shkreli.

I don't want to talk about this
fucking motherfucker no more.

YIANNOPOULOS:
The best example
of him using money

for nihilistic political ends
is the album.

If you're gonna
buy the Wu-Tang album,
which is gonna really annoy

millions of Americans,
go the whole way
and fucking burn the thing.

Melt it on a livestream.
And that's what
I would have done.

If I'd had the money available,
I would have melted it.

I would have liked
to have taken it.

Here we have Milo. Take one.

There'll only be one take.
We'll only need one take.

One will be fine.
We're in the hands of
very experienced professionals.

REPORTER 1:
Extra security on hand
ahead of an appearance

by ultra conservative columnist
Milo Yiannopoulos.

REPORTER 2: Speech shutdown
tonight after protesters
converge on campus

where a pair of controversial
political speakers
were scheduled to talk.

REPORTER 3: When former
pharmaceutical CEO
Martin Shkreli

emerged from the building,

demonstrators forced him back
into the police line.

MAN: You're about being
a fucking cocksucker
who raised the drug prices

for cancer patients,
you fucking piece of shit!

[CROWD CLAMORING ANGRILY]

YIANNOPOULOUS:
Daddy Will Save Us.

Just kind of like
a conceptual art show.

Anti-political correctness.
You know, burn the house down

kind of feeling
of surrounding Trump.

People don't feel able to make
the joke they wanna make.

Use the language
they want to use,
express the opinion

that they previously thought
that they wanted to.

This is devastating.

Devastating for culture,
it's the worst imaginable
thing to do

at precisely the time
when we should be
celebrating all that is great.

We're producing culture
that is utterly moribund

and completely uninteresting.

And expecting that
it will by itself save us.

And it won't. But Daddy might
save us, and that was
the point of the art show.

HODGE: Let's talk
about this art show,
'cause I was there.

You were? You liked it?

HODGE: No,
it was actually
kind of scary.

YIANNOPOULOS: It was kind of
a little bit weird, a little
bit creepy that there was

an opportunity
for disruptive art
created by conservatives

to make a mark on culture.

Hi, I'm Martin Shkreli
and I'm one of the contributing
artists here tonight.

He had a pill, a Daraprim pill,

just on display
with the price tag.

This pill represents to me,

the purity
and the pricelessness of life.

At the end of the day,
we all want to be healthy.

We all want to be successful
and happy.

I'm happy to be here
and supporting
the conservative movement

here in New York City,
which is overwhelmingly liberal.

I think conservatives
need to stick together.

And thank you, everyone,
for having me.

HODGE: That's him.

-Howdy.
-Nice to meet you.

Not bad.

HODGE: So there's
one part of the story
that nobody knows.

YIANNOPOULOUS:
I like being the first person
to know things.

I decided to move
into Martin's apartment building

and get closer to him,

and find out who he really is.

[LAUGHS] Okay.

You just decided to live
in his apartment building,

that's where you want to go.

You want to go there,
you know what I mean?
You paid for it.

Yeah, so...

It is what it is.
What you find out?

[HODGE SPEAKING]

Okay. So, yeah.
So, you know. That's it.

-Yes, you're Brent. Okay.
-Okay.

-Good to meet you.
-Meet my friend, James.

-James. Yeah.
-Big night.

-See you man
-Good luck.

-I'll see you
in the building, man.
-I'll see you, there. bye.

All right, so...

HODGE: Do you think
that's a way

to maybe get this film done,
so that you could speak to him?

Do you think that's going
to out-troll the troll?

No, I think he'd
find that hilariously,

hilariously pathetic.

Um... [LAUGHS]

Okay, well,
out-trolling a troll...

When you're trolling,
you have to find the
weak points to attack, right?

So I've trolled Martin
a couple of times

just messing with him.

You kind of have to
go for the fact

that he cared about me in a way,
you know, I was his buddy.

So there's definitely ways
to troll the troll.

You find what
they care about,
exploit it.

If you had a cool, calm,
collective attack on Martin,

play it through,
then he's usually
pretty chill about it.

He'd be like,
"Okay, you got me."

But if you open that can
of worms, you better be
ready to eat those worms.

SHKRELI: Hello.
HODGE: Hey, is this Martin?

Who the fuck is this?

Okay, Martin is online.

Here we go.
Calling into the livestream.

Wish us luck.

Hello.

Hello. What are you saying?

Dude. Do you mind
if I hang up on you?

I wouldn't say
it's the easiest way
to make a film,

but there is definitely access.

He's available.

I don't give a fuck
if you judge me.

Real recognizes real.

He's basically answering
all the questions I've ever had

right here on his livestream.

I know every kind
of martial art there is.

I do think this back and forth
is about as close as
you can get to Martin Shkreli.

If you really want to talk
some shit, give me a call.
Hello?

HODGE: I see him around.

I've been running
into him on the streets.

I go to his meet-ups.

Let's not forget,
we share the same view.

A naked shower guy,
every night.

Yeah, I still don't really know
who the real Martin Shkreli is.

You're lying because
you're a chicken,

over-privileged piece of shit,
scared shitless, kid.

And I will nunchuck you into
another fucking multi-verse

if you ever privilege
out me again.

HODGE: Okay.

I'm just so fucking exhausted
from watching this guy.

It's funny. Even though
you watch him online like this.

So you're a fat broke
loser, who uses Mom's
cell phone to call me

and tell me that
his name is Jerkin-my-dad-off.

He talks shit to people.

He's just kind of
a piece of shit.

And yet,

I cannot help but feel
sorry for him, sometimes.

[FAKE SOBS]

Don't look at me.

Don't fucking look at me.

Get the camera out of my face.

Bullshit.

Gonna be alone forever.

He...

won't amount to anything.

He's not important
in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe he is.

I guess the trial
will determine that.

And I'm sure the media
will cover it.

REPORTER 1:
The Securities fraud trial
of Martin Shkreli.

REPORTER 2: A trial date,
has been set for
Martin Shkreli.

SHKRELI: The trial's
gonna start in June.

That's going to be
quite a circus.
An exciting circus.

We're going to win
by a landslide.

The evidence is clear
that I did nothing wrong.

A billion dollars
goes missing, that's fraud.

My investors sent me
Christmas cards.

REPORTER 3:
Charged with Securities fraud.

REPORTER 4: Federal prosecutors
say Shkreli cheated investors
out of more than

$11 million in a Ponzi scheme.

If convicted, the
34-year-old could spend
up to 20 years in prison.

REPORTER 5: Shkreli's
lawyer Ben Brafman,

arguing that the trial
is very complex.

NEWS HOST: You have
a new legal team in place.

This is a lawyer
who is very well known.

SHKRELI: I have
hired Ben Brafman
to represent me going forward.

His track record is impeccable.

I'm a person who people
come to when they are
in serious trouble.

Martin was in serious trouble.

Every once in a while I come
across a Martin Shkreli

who's unique in so many ways
that the challenge is just,

you know,
too interesting to avoid.

It's my job to make the system
work fairly and honestly.

You put someone in handcuffs
and take them away,

you've changed
their life forever.

The presumption
of innocence be damned.

If we don't require
the application of the rules,

then I think as a society
we're really not a democracy.

Sometimes, I'm the only person
who is standing next to you.

When you are
a high profile person
who is being vilified,

I'm like a life boat.

If everything works perfectly,
we're gonna be able to save you.

It's got to work perfectly,
and you've got to be fortunate.

You've got to be quiet
for the next two years.

Typically, when you have
a defendant who's on trial,
they're on their best behavior.

The prosecution
should be embarrassed.

They barely did their homework.

Why do they keep
coming after you?

You know,
I just can't fathom,

I guess it might have
something to do with me
being very handsome,

-very wealthy, and very funny.
-[LAUGHS]

Your attorney
can't be glad
that you're out here.

I'm very different
from a lot of his other clients.

There were times
when I wanted to, you know,

wrap my arms around Martin
and hug him.

There were times when I wanted
to punch him in the face.

SMYTHE: You don't really cage
Martin Shkreli.

You just can't.

You can't tell someone
who thrives in conflict
to not create more conflict.

You can't tell someone,
who, you know...

thrives online
to not be online.

HODGE: Martin Shkreli and women.

How would you define
the girls in his life?

It's really hard to define.

I mean, there's a lot of,
especially lately,
a lot of young ones.

The ones I've spoken to
all seem like, you know,

people you'd want to sit down,
and have a conversation with.

HODGE: How did you first
come across, Martin?

So, I was going through
my Tinder.

I saw that I had a super like.

I saw that it looked like
Martin Shkreli.

I swiped right thinking that
someone had done
a catfish profile.

But it wasn't a catfish.

It was really Martin.

HODGE: So, tell me,
what was this date like?

COLLIER: Better than
a lot of dates,
because he...

He picked the place.

He checked if they had
a vegetarian option
and he was relatively on time.

So we ordered food.

And then we had seen on the
menu that they had this
really expensive tea

that was $120.

This gold medal, Sencha.

Who would order a $120 tea?

And he orders it.

And I said, "Did you like it?"

And he said, "Oh, well,
you know, I'm not much of
a tea drinker, but it was good."

Why did you order the tea?

Okay, so just got here
to California.

This is where Martin Shkreli's
ex-girlfriend lives.

As I enter the house,

I can see that she's gotten in

a little bit of a fight
with her neighbors.

Every time she passes by
their new fence
that they put up,

she decides to
give them the finger.

And so now they've posted photos
of her doing this.

So I think it's
a fair conclusion to say that
Martin Shkreli's girlfriends

maybe have some
trolling qualities
similar to him.

What do you see
in Martin Shkreli?

Very intelligent,
the most intelligent person
I've ever met.

I find intelligence
to be incredibly attractive

and incredibly important,
and it's hard to find.

HODGE: How long
did you guys date for?

HAYDEN: For about a year.

But on and off, mostly off.

But, yeah, about a year.

There were times
where I just felt like

there's no other person
that I connect with better,

because I studied math
and I was really concerned

that I wouldn't find somebody
who shared a lot of
the same interests as me.

We got into a cab one time,

I look over at him
and I was like,

"I wonder what the probability
of stepping in the same cab
twice is?"

And he goes,
"That's a great question.
Let's sit and figure it out."

And he looks up
at the top of the cab.

Based off those numbers
and those letters, we could
assume that they repeat

and therefore,
there's this many taxis
out in New York,

assuming 60% of them
are in commission
and currently running

and they run
this many hours of a day.

And we sat there
and did the math together

and that was the most fun
that I've had in a while.

And when we got home,
we Google searched

the numbers that we approximated
and we were pretty spot on.

That was like
the nerdiest romance ever.

But, yeah, I thought
it was romantic.
[LAUGHS]

SHKRELI: Lesson number one.

I'm not a fucking nice person.

Okay.

I'm not.

BILLY: How could he?

How could you?

Let's see how far
we can take this.

Let's see how evil I could be
in front of you.

People are the butt of the joke,
and that's okay,

as long as, you know,
you're not trying to

tear somebody's life apart.
You can poke,

just don't push, I guess.

We're so used to
polishing our image
for everyone all the time.

And here's this person
who's kind of famous
because he doesn't care.

Martin, you are now
the slightly famous

webcam personality
you grew up connecting with

because like me,
you have trouble
maintaining real relationships.

SMYTHE: It's a little twisted,
it's strange, sometimes
a little uncomfortable.

I mean, he's good at getting
under people's skin,

and I think he thinks it's fun.

How about that, fuck boy?
[LAUGHS OBNOXIOUSLY]

MAN: Nah, man.

Okay. So next time I fuck
your mom, I'm just gonna
let her know, okay?

You claim to love
black culture so much

by trying to get in
with all the rappers.

-My culture, I bought it.
-That's, not like a...

-I bought the culture,
it's mine!
-How do you...

But let me tell you something.
With enough money,
I'll be black.

He just has this
unfathomable well of potential
for mischief or harm,

I guess. I don't personally
think that he's dangerous,

but I guess, I mean...

REPORTER: Universally loathed

Martin Shkreli has decided
to buy domain names
of specific reporters

who have posted critical
articles on him and use
those to harass them.

I basically wrote something
along the lines

of "Martin Shkreli
has finally found a woman
who's willing to date him."

Very shortly afterwards,

like ten days later,
he bought my domain name.

It was obvious from my first
conversation with him,

he made things personal.

He wanted to talk
to me after that,

he actually called me to try
to "bury the hatchet."

And I told him,
"There's no hatchet to bury."

I'm a reporter.

There's no personal
anything here.

He obviously didn't like that.

And like that week
he bought the URL of my name.

Do you feel badly about
what's happening?

No. In fact,
we're increasing
access to patients.

So I'm not sure
what you're talking about.

Nobody I've ever reported on
has ever acted like this.

Why does he
go after women like that?

Yeah.

There was a situation involving
a writer we were discussing,

he didn't like
what this writer said.

I suggested one approach
he could take,

and then Martin goes,
"No, when they go low,
I go lower."

I'm like, "No, not a good way
to go about things."

He really is,
I think part of
a tribe of people.

You know, he's aligned himself
with Milo Yiannopoulos.

This is a new part
of our culture.

Martin, I think, has always
suffered from having

a more nihilistic bend
than I do, perhaps.

I think that it hasn't always
been clear

what exactly he is
advocating for,

although it's clear
what he doesn't like.

And that's a problem.

It was difficult,
and I tried my best
to sort of tune it out.

But I also have to, you know,
deal with the concern

that our jurors
are listening to this.

You need to be more disciplined
than Martin Shkreli to resist
that temptation.

I don't need more problems
than the case brings to it.

HODGE: I don't know
if he knows the damage
that he does

with some of his actions
and words, though.

How much damage does he do?

-HODGE: Well...
-He's contributing
to a discussion, right?

And at the end of the day,
he's the bad guy.

You don't only get
Martin Shkreli, you get,

you know...
You get the people
that love Martin Shkreli.

You have no idea
who his followers are
or what they're capable of.

BILLY: The livestream was
a place that we went to
hang out as, like, buddies.

Martin attracted everybody.

And that means the place
to be for shit bags.

Criminal motherfuckers.

We'll hunt down the clown
together, I promise.

BILLY: And the people
that had the guns,

probably were the last ones
that would ever use them.

And they're all scumbags, right?

'Cause scumbags are persistent.

There was... Was it Duca?

Was it Lauren Duca or whatever?

This is my last will
and testament.

Lauren, I know you love me.

I know that we
belong together. Okay?

SMYTHE: The Lauren Duca thing.

He just thought it would be fun
to make up this whole stupid
romance thing.

He had a plus one
for "the inaug"

and wondered if
she wanted to go,
and she very publicly said

that she would rather
eat her own organs.

He responded by turning
his Twitter into, essentially
a shrine.

Part of being popular
is having fans who Photoshop
and make collages.

I saw some photographs
of your husband.

He, is not pure
or desirable in any way.

SAUL: He pulled a photo of her
and her husband

and Photoshopped his face,
over her husband's face.

It was just littered with
photos of her.

It just got really nasty.

And his followers,
I think, took it

to the next level.

I don't think there is any
imaginable situation

where I would even want
to sit down with him.

It doesn't matter,
because he's doing

massive harm to society.

In 2016, as a strong,
independent woman.

That's what I want.

That's what I'm looking for.
That's what I've been
looking for my whole life.

I'm gonna get a poster
of Lauren Duca.

I'm gonna cut myself.

'Cause the pain is so sweet.

Feud isn't the right word

because it doesn't begin
to describe he way

his harassment of her has,
you know, affected her life.

It's not a fucking meme,
it's a real fucking life.

And Twitter...
Twitter can't keep us apart.

Nothing can keep us apart.

Account suspended.

I think it was threatening
Lauren Duca

with rape, I believe.

HODGE: And that
essentially led him
to get kicked off Twitter.

That was exactly what got him
kicked off Twitter, yes.

Which he suffers for.

He misses Twitter, terribly.

As an entertainer,
somebody who loves
the attention,

being muted...

is death.

♪ Martin Shkreli, tell us
what's your plan

♪ Yes, Martin Shkreli
tell us what's your plan

♪ Buy an album
by the Wu-Tang clan♪

CALDWELL: I'm not playing
Martin Shkreli.

That's the point. Like,
I am playing a collection
of his outward persona.

We're creating a character
based on the Martin Shkreli

he put out into the media,
which was his own choice.

Yeah, he has,
like a little bit of a...

The receding hairline

was important and the smirk is,
I mean, that's the signature.

Like, that you've got to do.

♪ Martin Shkreli

♪ Martin Shkreli
is for the American dream ♪

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

CALDWELL: The funny thing
about all of this

is that the best thing
you could do to make him happy,

is what we're doing right now

is sitting here like,,
"Do you think he's..."

You know?
And he's just laughing
the whole time

that we're doing this,
that I'm playing him,

and you're asking me about
what I think about playing him.
Like, this is insane.

This is insane. This is the
weirdest thing in the world
and he's gotta love that.

SMYTHE: It's just this
bizarre character study
that you interact with.

And you never know what exactly

you're going to get,
but you also don't know

how legitimate
what you're getting is.

There's no mirror
that he can hold up

to what he's saying that,
you know, allows him to see
how it's perceived.

The message is going out,
and he's not receiving
an equal message

from how people take him.

This is one where
people start to say
"Is he a sociopath?"

Do I consider myself
a sociopath?

Wow!

What a question.

I can't say
I get that one often.

SMYTHE: Some people think
that he's autistic.

And this is
an eccentric person.

We had Martin, you know,
evaluated by one of the leading
experts in the field

and they concluded

that if he had been properly
diagnosed as a child,
would have been classified

as perhaps autistic.

I think a social awkwardness
was certainly obvious.

Sounds like Pharma Bro
needs some meds.

Yeah, I think
that's pretty reasonable.

BRAFMAN: I think he's
going to be Martin Shkreli
for the rest of his life,

and you take the good
and the bad with that.

LANGLEY: Some individuals
don't understand the better
side of human nature,

causing these people to go
without their medication.

People are ready
to see a villain,

and to assume that
you're gonna fit
all these qualities.

I don't think it's
that he has no empathy,

or he doesn't think
that it matters
if people get hurt.

It's the fact that he thinks
people coming at him,

telling him that
people are getting hurt
are not telling him the truth.

HODGE: Don't you think
we would have heard
stories by now

of somebody that was
on their death bed,

had all the spots
on their faces,

and were
at the end of the rope
and all they needed

was that one bottle
from Martin, and he wouldn't
give it to them.

Why are none of your patients
coming out publicly and talking
to Martin about it?

I don't think patients,
for the most part,
want to come forward,

because then
they're disclosing
their HIV status.

But the reality is,
there still remains
a stigma with HIV.

Patients that have
active toxoplasmosis
are usually pretty ill.

They're in
a life threatening situation
that needs to be treated.

HODGE: News headlines
constantly say that Martin
is an AIDS killer.

I feel like a lot of these
articles aren't actually
getting to the truth.

ABERG: I think the HIV/AIDS
came into the equation

because that's who we associate
the most as needing the drug.

KESSELHEIM: Toxoplasmosis is
a deadly infectious disease.

If you have
an intact immune system,

it's a relatively
easy infection to fight off.

But if you don't,
it's something that
can take hold

and so Pyrimethamine
doesn't treat HIV,

it treats
this opportunistic infection.

This isn't some drug that,
you know, you can live without.

If you have this infection,
it needs to be treated.

PATRICK RICE: Looking at this
amount of pills, it cost less
than the table it's sitting on.

By the time the price hike
went into effect,

I realized my house
costs less than this.

HODGE: This is a pain schedule,
more or less,

-the last six years
of having this disease.
-Mmm-hmm.

Yeah, just one after another,
after another.

These are all appointments.

Each of these is
an appointment, I was so sick.

It's given me mouth sores,
stomach pain, lots of bleeding.

I had a long time
where I didn't know I was sick

and I was getting sicker
and sicker and you just
kind of have faith

that your doctors are wise,
and the system isn't
working against you.

10/25 Pyrimethamine, this is
the prescription for Daraprim.

Twenty-five milligrams,
two daily at this point,
$30 a bottle.

For me, 48 tabs lasted
nearly six weeks.

At this appointment,
they found out
I couldn't get access to it.

I think that was when
the price hike happened.

I get home and go to fill
this prescription,

and they're like,
"No, that's not
going to happen."

I said
"What do you mean?"

They said,
"That's really expensive."

I said, "How much is it?"

They said, "$30,000."

I said, "$30,000 a year
for one med?"

And they said, "No, no, no,
$30,000 a month."

We got online, started thinking
there's gotta be something.

I assumed it was
going to be a little blip.

We give it a week or two
and we'll have it sorted.

The longer it went,
the more surreal it was.

My doctors were stumped.
It was pretty crushing.

It's weird when you've realized

that the sensational headline
is hitting the mark.

Price gouging pharmaceuticals,

you know, denying patients.

I saw the hate,
acknowledged it.

I understood it.

The narrative became the hate
instead of the patient.

I just I didn't
have time for that.
I was too sick.

I wish that he had had
less time for malice too,

when he was
putting together his ideas.

Put yourselves in the shoes
of someone who has this illness.

This drug is 70 years old.
You wouldn't want
a 70-year-old drug.

At the end of the day, there
have been much larger
drug price increases

by much bigger drug companies.

We're dramatically increasing
the access to Daraprim.

RICE: Having insurance
doesn't mean you have
access to care.

There's so many levels to
actually having access
to healthcare in America.

I had the gold plan.

It didn't matter.

They just denied it. They said
"It's way too expensive
for us to get involved."

-HODGE: The insurance
company said that?
-Yeah.

Because they don't want to spend
30 grand a month on me.

I don't think it was
a quirk of the system

that I was able to fall through
the cracks that way.

I think it's built-in.

During that time, I saw
Martin Shkreli got on
Reddit and did an AMA,

which is an "Ask me
anything," and people
just post their questions.

HODGE: I never really heard
of a pharmaceutical CEO
doing AMA.

It's pretty rare.

Somebody asked him,
"What about patients
that can't afford it?"

He's like "Oh, no, no, no.
If they need it,
they'll get it for life."

That was when
I jumped in the conversation

because all of us are weak
and strong, right?

And if we only
show our strength,
then we're just showing

just a half version
of ourselves.

You know, I just wanted to say,

"Are you being dishonest?
What's going on here?"

And he actually
replied to my comment,
"Why don't you reach out to me?

"We'll get it sorted out."

I emailed him, and sure enough
he connects me with
an account specialist.

They said they were gonna get me
squared away, 10-day supplies.

They didn't bill me.

I didn't feel like the system
was working 'cause I got my med.

I feel like I got really,
really lucky.

And it took literally talking
to the guy that's on
all the news channels.

This was a receipt I got

that shows I got 20 pills,
which was a 10-day supply.

So right now,
I guess you would say
I'm in remission.

I don't take
any of this stuff now.

The conclusion
of my story is fine,
'cause I'm here.

For me, the sad story
is that I don't think
we learned from this yet.

I don't think
we've fixed it yet.

I think we have
a lot of work to do still.

HODGE: So, is this where
Martin Shkreli's entire court
appearance is happening?

Yes. Yeah, the entire trial
is on the sixth floor.

Yeah.

HODGE: It sucks
that I can't bring
a camera into the courthouse.

Yeah, it would be very difficult
with Brafman's theatrics
and Martin's winking.

It's hard to make that up,
to make that loss up.

But that's why sketch artists
still have jobs. [CHUCKLES]

TIRRELL: Shkreli was charged
with eight counts of
securities fraud,

conspiracy to commit securities
fraud, and conspiracy
to commit wire fraud.

WOMAN: So,
this is at the Federal
District Court in Brooklyn.

It covers Brooklyn, Queens,
Staten Island, and Long Island.

Each district has their own
federal prosecutors.

Jacquelyn Kasulis, Alix Smith,
and Karthik Srinivasan.

They tend to be graduates
of good law schools

who are pretty aggressive.

And then the FBI
helped investigate.

They're sitting at the table
with the prosecutors.

He said, Eastern District
prosecutors were junior
varsity.

He didn't think much of them.

It's possible that he thought
he could outwit them.

Prosecutor style,
especially from that office,
is very straightforward.

And Brafman is, like,
pretty dramatic.

Brafman is fun to watch
in the courtroom.

It's a good contrast.

It's just good courtroom...

Courtroom theatrics.

Judge is Kiyo Matsumoto.

She had been a federal
prosecutor, longtime federal
judge in that courthouse.

HODGE: Shkreli's harassment,

do you think this being
a woman judge might hurt him?

No, I have never
seen the judge...

She seemed very fair.

And then, of course,
jury selection, was just
so much fun.

Like, an unexpected
amount of fun.

Jury selection
begins in New York.

That notoriety from the infamous
price hike has left a stain

that's now following him
even into trial.

Jury selection took a lot longer
than we expected.

Entering its third day
today without seating
a single juror...

I covered Bill Cosby's jury
selection and it didn't take
anywhere near as long.

They called in
a couple hundred jurors.

TIRRELL: They went through
this giant panel of people.

Just weeded out everyone

that they thought could
poison the pool.

REPORTER:
Nearly 200 potential jurors
have already been dismissed.

MAN: Obviously, there's
a bias out there.

They're going to find a jury.
It just may take a while.

So Judge Matsumoto
is trying to determine

whether jurors are biased
or whether they can't serve.

They had to be able
to be impartial even if
they had heard of him.

STEPHEN COLBERT:
But there's a big problem.

Martin Shkreli
can't find jurors
who don't already hate him.

WOMAN: She just starts
going through one by one.

"Does anybody have opinions
about the defendant that
I should know about?"

HODGE: And were there
any opinions
about Martin Shkreli?

There were.

ANNOUNCER: And now,

some of the actual responses
from potential jurors excused

from the Martin Shkreli Trial.

So, people did know him,
clearly, and had really
strong opinions on him.

Where are you going
to find a jury who
doesn't think he's guilty?

I can't even find
most family members
who don't find him guilty.

I think everyone,
regardless of who they are,
deserves a fair trial.

And so I do hope
that they find jurors
who are not biased,

you know,
immediately biased against him.

And I hope justice is served.

REPORTER: You know,
his lawyer has already called
for mistrials.

The judge said, "No, no."

A lot of people
just associated him
with high-priced drugs.

A couple people
mistakenly thought he raised
the price of the EpiPen,

which is a totally
different company.

He really was just, you know,
the face of unaffordable drugs.

And they were
so angry about that,
even though they were told

by the judge repeatedly
that this has nothing to do

with drug pricing,
they just couldn't.

Or they also just wanted
to get out of jury duty, maybe,
you know. [CHUCKLES]

Trial is over tomorrow.

Which is...

Anything that we do
goes down in history

'cause it's being recorded.

Even this interview
is going down in history.

As soon as I win,
I'm gonna sue everybody.

Don't worry about that.
[CHUCKLES]

Don't worry about that.

KILLAH: Shit comes to you
and then it passes by.
Shit comes everyday.

This time I'm gonna sue
every fucking person.

You really can't not check
what's in the hearts
of others around you.

Where the energy at?

Bring that
villain shit out now.

Super villain.

You have to be careful
in this world right now,

growing up in this era
like this.

You got cameras on you,

but now the social media,
a lot of internet gangsters.

These internet guys
can't hang with me. Crazy.

What are you doing, bruv?

That's not you.

That's not you.

It's not you.

You're talking too much.

The most suckerest motherfucker
could say what he want to say

and get heard
and get a million views.

So it's a whole new
other world, man.

And if I'm acquitted,
I get to fuck Lauren Duca.

BILLY: Nobody loses
when Martin loses.

And there was really nobody
connected to Martin to take
the loss but Martin.

I don't think
he ever really thought of

the "damage" he did,

and maybe the damage he did
was making a mockery
of the justice system.

It's the story of...

everything, basically.

He was the asshole.

So even if you do
kind of feel for him,

even with the fraud,
whatever, the fraud,

if you don't have a fraud
by the time you're 35,
you're not trying.

BRAFMAN: Real trials
are more interesting than
anything you could script.

It unfolds before you
without any direction,

without any lighting or makeup,
and things aren't different

because we use tricks or magic.

I think if the rules are
followed, rules are
applied fairly,

then I'm okay,
regardless of the verdict.

They dislike Martin, obviously,

and Martin, unfortunately
gave them more reason
to dislike him.

He personalized the animus,
and it was not necessary.

It seems everybody
is satisfied now

because they saw the rise
and fall of the bad man.

He's just a fucking bullshit
boogie man.

He's not the real problem.

He's the one that
the kids were scared of.

Now that he's gone,
they feel safe again.

They're not.

We have not taken
enough steps yet

to prevent future Martin
Shkrelis from using similar
tactics in other drugs.

COHEN: If the law allows
someone to do this legally,

Martin Shkrelis
will show up and do it,

and ask ourselves
whether law change
is necessary or not.

It's again this question of,
"Is health a privilege
or a right?"

By blaming just an individual
like Martin Shkreli,

we miss the bigger picture.

ABERG: As much as we all
love to hate him,

others are doing it.

So, he's not alone.

The bottom line is,
we have to assure that
everybody has access to care.

I'm on three.

-See you around.
-See you around. Yeah.

SHKRELI: Good luck to you.
See you in the building, man.

HODGE: There are a lot of
super villains who could have
used a friend along the way.

As traditionally written,
they don't tend to be

that motivated
by seeking friendship.

In real life, though, people are
more complicated than that.

What?

Who could that be?

Real nice.

HODGE: Can I touch the birdie?

I gotta touch the birdie guy.

SHKRELI: That's really
nice of you.

Let me get your number
so I can share photos
or something.

HODGE: See you around.
Thanks for everything.

And an awful lot of individuals
would be much better off

and go a completely
different direction

if they've gotten friendship
at particular times.

My neighbor in the building

came by with a six pack.

Very nice of him.

Yeah. It's nice to have friends
in your building, you know?

Ultimately is he going to
reach a point where he decides

"My life needs to be
better than this."

"I want more
out of relationships
than what's going on."

Well...

HODGE: After more than a month
at the Brooklyn courthouse,

and five days of jury
deliberations, the Shkreli
trial has come to an end.

REPORTER 1: We now
have some breaking news
on Martin Shkreli...

REPORTER 2:
It's been a quiet day up
until right now

when the jury they brought
a note to the judge

saying they have
reached a verdict.

REPORTER 3: Next, the verdict
is in for former drug company
CEO Martin Shkreli.

HODGE: Well, it's moving day.

I knew I needed to
move out of this place,
eventually.

Wasn't gonna stay here forever.

Yeah, it's been
an interesting year.

You could say that.

I wanted to get as close
as I could to Martin Shkreli.

Tell the real story
at least a whole rounded story.

Say it was
experience in humanity,
or maybe lack of humanity.

It seems pretty creepy,
actually, when you're
packing up.

Martin let me
into his apartment,

and I forgot to ask him,
if I can hear
the Wu-Tang album.

Is the album even good?

It doesn't matter
if it's a great album,
the album might not even exist.

Like, imagine
that album didn't exist.

Imagine there's
no music on there.

Imagine, it's just
a story to see

what people would do if music
was taken away from them.

I've polished the Wu-Tang album.
I'm gonna sell it.

Putting it on eBay right now.
Fuck Wu-Tang.

MAN: People are gonna want to
know what happens to that
Wu-Tang album.

That's a real question now.

See, the whole thing
about that album is the mystery.

The mystique.

The minute everybody hears it,
the story is dead.

I don't think
I'm going to prison.
I actually wouldn't mind.

It seems fun.
But I don't think
I'm going.

We'll see, I guess.

Lowkey.

There's only
200 people here watching.

When the jury comes back
with a not guilty verdict,

that's going to be my moment
to just start dancing.

This was a witch hunt
of epic proportions,

and maybe they found
one or two broomsticks.

But at the end of the day,
we've been acquitted

of the most important charges
in this case.

I'm delighted to report that.

REPORTER: Tonight, Shkreli
and his legal team are
celebrating the verdict.

He is guilty on three counts.

You know, if the government,

that's all they could come up
with after stunning tens of
millions of dollars

of dollars of taxpayer money to
get the big, bad Martin Shkreli,

then God bless them.

I don't think I'm going to jail.

Maybe a few weeks if that...

I'm sorry your prison gay rape
fantasies won't come true.

There's always time
for more crimes, I guess.

You never know.

ANA KASPARIAN:
Notorious Pharma Bro
is now in jail.

REPORTER 1: When Martin Shkreli
arrived in Brooklyn
federal court yesterday,

it was expected that he was
going to be walking
back out again.

But that is not what happened.

He was remanded into
custody and ordered
immediately to prison

to await that sentencing.

REPORTER 2:
He was hauled before the court
after offering $5,000

for a strand
of Hillary Clinton's hair.

The judge said that
could be interpreted as
a physical threat.

His defense attorney
arguing the offer
was meant as political satire.

This is not the normal narrative
of a white collar crime case.

He's in general population.

He's with murderers
and gang members,
the whole thing.

Picture that for a second.

I'll bet you he's not in there
screaming anything

about Wu-Tang
in there like that.

Probably in there shivering
under his fucking covers,

not even coming out
of his fucking bunk.

He probably paying anybody
in there just to use
a fucking phone.

I don't think we have the
technology to clone Hillary.

And if we did, I don't think
Martin would actually do it.

I guess the idea of cloning
Hillary is enough to get you
locked up these days.

ABERG: Who would say
something like that?

That really, to me,
is criminal.

That's not funny.

HAYDEN: He's a danger
to society?

Are you kidding me?

I think I'm more of a danger
to society than he is.

You know? [LAUGHS]

SMYTHE: I've had kind of
a unique relationship with him.

It hasn't been like he is
with the other journalists.
He trusts me.

He takes what I say seriously.

He's open with me in a way
that he is not with most people.

REPORTER:
Well respected journalists
covering the case

of Pharma Bro
Martin Shkreli, puts her life
on the line for love.

I visited Martin in prison,

and I just simply told him
that I loved him.

And what was his reaction?

He said that he loved me, too.

Did he say the words to you,

"I want to have
children with you?"

Yes.

I would love Martin to get out.

I would love him to start
working on something productive
that helps the world.

And I'd like to play
some sort of role
in helping him get there.

That's my dream.

This is maybe probably
telling of his weirdness,

but I'm the only woman he's ever
introduced to his parents.

REPORTER: The world
needs Pharma Bros
now more than ever.

Or at least that's his
reasoning for requesting
a temporary three month

release from prison so that
he can develop a cure
for Coronavirus.

It'd just be really funny
if the person

who ends up saving the world
from this current pandemic

is Martin fucking Shkreli.

HODGE: The jury is going to
decide on what's going
to happen to Martin.

I hope whatever happens to him,
he's at peace with that.

I'm disappointed.

This is a good judge.

She made her decision,
and we all have to live with it.