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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:55,316 --> 00:00:57,666 The bodybuilder at its root 4 00:00:57,709 --> 00:01:01,670 is concerned with self-development through self-mastery. 5 00:01:06,588 --> 00:01:12,594 If you are in a day and age where you can more easily get 6 00:01:12,637 --> 00:01:19,122 drug information about PEDs and how to cycle before you can get exposure 7 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:24,910 to what the significance or value of a rep is, that is a problem 8 00:01:27,565 --> 00:01:32,179 because it makes it so that you are not able to be put in line 9 00:01:32,222 --> 00:01:37,009 to appreciate the art form that this is, that this represents. 10 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:55,593 Marker, Generation Iron. Arnold interview take one. 11 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:59,336 Arnold, where do you think the sport of bodybuilding is heading in the future? 12 00:01:59,380 --> 00:02:00,642 What do you think is gonna happen to it? 13 00:03:07,665 --> 00:03:12,888 In 1977, Arnold Schwarzenegger took bodybuilding into the mainstream 14 00:03:12,931 --> 00:03:15,412 with a documentary Pumping Iron. 15 00:03:15,456 --> 00:03:20,896 Since then, the sport grew along with the physiques of the competitors. 16 00:03:20,939 --> 00:03:25,683 As athletes continue to grow, so do the public's awareness of steroids. 17 00:03:26,641 --> 00:03:29,383 It became a media buzzword in the '90s 18 00:03:29,426 --> 00:03:32,734 and soon became synonymous with bodybuilding. 19 00:03:32,777 --> 00:03:34,997 From there, research and development 20 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,608 of anabolic substances and exercise science 21 00:03:37,652 --> 00:03:41,438 continued making great strides and athletes grew bigger. 22 00:03:42,787 --> 00:03:44,572 But is bigger better? 23 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:47,183 Have we sacrificed size for quality? 24 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:50,273 Do steroids help create a better show for the audience 25 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:52,667 or are they ultimately hindering the sport? 26 00:04:16,865 --> 00:04:22,523 When you're a pro bodybuilder, they are... Every single one is on steroids. 27 00:04:22,566 --> 00:04:24,568 Let's make that clear, right? 28 00:04:24,612 --> 00:04:26,178 You know that, right? 29 00:04:30,444 --> 00:04:34,448 I think the best answer is to allow the athletes to use the drugs 30 00:04:34,491 --> 00:04:37,842 but provide medical treatment. 31 00:04:51,203 --> 00:04:53,554 If you're gonna be great in anything, 32 00:04:53,597 --> 00:04:55,512 you have to be a student of it first. 33 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:02,084 You know, is there a limit to growth? 34 00:05:02,127 --> 00:05:03,607 You know, certainly there's a limit, 35 00:05:03,651 --> 00:05:05,043 but I don't know that we found it. 36 00:05:18,405 --> 00:05:20,624 I've worked with men who will say, 37 00:05:20,668 --> 00:05:26,413 "If you told me that taking anabolic steroids is going to take 20 years off my life, 38 00:05:26,456 --> 00:05:30,025 I would still do it because at least I would be big and muscular 39 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:31,200 in the time I was here." 40 00:05:35,465 --> 00:05:38,599 It's risk versus benefit ratio 41 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:43,691 and I always tell people that if they want to go down that road that's up to them. 42 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:46,650 But when you're 25, you don't give a shit. 43 00:06:00,098 --> 00:06:03,014 Steroids aren't addictive, steroids have never killed anybody, you know. 44 00:06:03,058 --> 00:06:05,060 There's... There's no physiological proof, it's never been shown. 45 00:06:05,103 --> 00:06:06,844 It's all what the media wants you to see. 46 00:06:10,718 --> 00:06:15,157 "Anabolic" steroid users to a certain point of using the steroids 47 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,421 get left ventricular hypertrophy, 48 00:06:18,465 --> 00:06:20,728 which is an enlargement of left ventricle 49 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:25,602 and they get a lower ejection fraction, which is heart failure. 50 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:34,350 Liver & Organ. So, I've been taking steroids for over 25 years, alright. 51 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:41,096 So, needless to say, you know, it does its damage and I'm aware of that. 52 00:06:41,139 --> 00:06:43,490 I'm willing to take... you know, take my chances 53 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:45,927 but I'm gonna do it as safe as possible. 54 00:06:51,672 --> 00:06:56,938 I want to say this, that I believe in drug-free bodybuilding 55 00:06:56,981 --> 00:07:01,812 and I think it's very, very important as a person in the spotlight 56 00:07:01,856 --> 00:07:06,295 that when it comes to talking about what choice should be made, 57 00:07:06,338 --> 00:07:09,080 it's that unenhanced bodybuilding is the way to go. 58 00:07:09,951 --> 00:07:12,910 And that can be done in every organization. 59 00:07:38,545 --> 00:07:41,025 Vegas is familiar to me. 60 00:07:41,069 --> 00:07:45,421 It's been the home to one of the biggest bodybuilding shows in the world, Mr. Olympia. 61 00:07:46,553 --> 00:07:52,472 But today, I arrive to explore a different competition, the Natural Olympia. 62 00:07:55,170 --> 00:07:57,607 For over eight years, I've been documenting bodybuilding 63 00:07:57,651 --> 00:07:59,914 and the many organizations within the sport. 64 00:08:01,176 --> 00:08:03,918 Most of these organizations have one thing in common, 65 00:08:03,961 --> 00:08:06,834 they generally don't drug test. 66 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:09,184 The bodybuilders who compete in these leagues 67 00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:11,969 have gone far beyond what was thought possible, 68 00:08:12,013 --> 00:08:14,015 across wide variety of divisions, 69 00:08:14,058 --> 00:08:18,933 each showcasing different levels of muscularity and types of physiques. 70 00:08:22,806 --> 00:08:27,855 But there is another world left unexplored in the realm of the sport, 71 00:08:27,898 --> 00:08:29,421 natural bodybuilding. 72 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:33,687 These international competitions claim to enforce 73 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:36,080 strict drug policies on their athletes 74 00:08:36,124 --> 00:08:39,649 and test them with the same standards used for the Olympics. 75 00:08:39,693 --> 00:08:45,525 The Professional Natural Bodybuilding Association, more commonly known as the PNBA, 76 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:49,354 is the biggest natural bodybuilding organization in the world. 77 00:08:49,398 --> 00:08:53,576 Despite this, I can't help but notice that the competitions are much more modest 78 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:56,536 in comparison to their untested rivals. 79 00:08:57,406 --> 00:09:01,584 But this is the largest turnout of competitors in the PNBA's history 80 00:09:01,628 --> 00:09:06,197 with over 450 professional and amateur contestants from all over the world, 81 00:09:06,241 --> 00:09:10,114 all of them training and dieting for one purpose, 82 00:09:10,158 --> 00:09:13,553 to win without the aid of anabolic substances. 83 00:09:15,119 --> 00:09:16,425 This is their story. 84 00:09:38,229 --> 00:09:39,622 Turn left. 85 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:44,845 About a month ago, 86 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:47,761 I set out to meet the top athletes competing for Natural Olympia title. 87 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:53,288 Men and women with some of the best genetics and work ethics 88 00:09:53,331 --> 00:09:57,161 who for varying reasons chose a drug-free path. 89 00:09:57,205 --> 00:10:00,077 Two-time Natural Olympia gold medalist... 90 00:10:00,121 --> 00:10:02,427 The first athlete on my list was Rob Terry, 91 00:10:02,471 --> 00:10:06,040 a reigning champion in men's open division for the last two years. 92 00:10:07,694 --> 00:10:11,219 Originally from Wales, Rob came to U.S. 93 00:10:11,262 --> 00:10:13,700 to pursue a career in professional wrestling 94 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:17,355 before making a name for himself in natural bodybuilding. 95 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:20,620 At 6.4, he towers over most of his peers 96 00:10:20,663 --> 00:10:23,057 with a physique that commands attention. 97 00:10:25,363 --> 00:10:27,148 - Well, how are you doing, Rob? - Good. How are you? 98 00:10:27,191 --> 00:10:29,150 - Good to meet you, man. - Very good to meet you as well. 99 00:10:29,193 --> 00:10:31,108 So, everything is set up. We are gonna be in that chair over there. 100 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:33,241 - Okay. - And we'll... Right... Get right into it, man. 101 00:10:39,203 --> 00:10:40,814 So, let's start from the beginning. 102 00:10:40,857 --> 00:10:42,859 What is Natural Mr. Olympia for those who've never heard of it? 103 00:10:42,903 --> 00:10:46,515 Natural Mr. Olympia, it's the biggest, the... 104 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:51,172 The best title that you can have as a natural bodybuilder. 105 00:10:51,215 --> 00:10:55,176 Which organization do you represent? Which bodybuilding organization? 106 00:10:55,219 --> 00:10:59,571 I compete and represent the... The INBA, PNBA. 107 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:03,837 The INBA, PNBA is a natural show where you get drugs tested. 108 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,232 That to me, was extremely important. 109 00:11:08,276 --> 00:11:12,149 What's bigger than being the natural Mr. Olympia? 110 00:11:12,193 --> 00:11:14,238 In my mind that was everything that I am. 111 00:11:14,282 --> 00:11:16,980 I'm probably one of the biggest natural athletes in the world 112 00:11:17,024 --> 00:11:19,113 and have been for a long, long time. 113 00:11:19,156 --> 00:11:22,507 You... you don't see too many guys in the offseason especially that walk around, 114 00:11:22,551 --> 00:11:27,687 280 pounds at six-foot-four, not a regular thing you see, but I possess that. 115 00:11:29,732 --> 00:11:32,953 I want people in the natural bodybuilding circuit to be like, "Oh, my God! 116 00:11:32,996 --> 00:11:36,086 This guy, he's huge and it's offseason. That guy is a freak." 117 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:40,395 And just accept me and understand you can do this on a natural level. 118 00:11:40,438 --> 00:11:46,140 I want to be remembered as one of the best natural pro bodybuilders of all time. 119 00:12:05,681 --> 00:12:07,596 You know, over the decades we've... 120 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:10,512 We've seen some freaks of nature that you would say 121 00:12:10,555 --> 00:12:12,253 "Man, those guys were on the juice," you know, 122 00:12:12,296 --> 00:12:14,777 "They're... They're taking steroids, I don't care what you say," 123 00:12:14,821 --> 00:12:17,171 and you'll hear people... Hear people say that about Rob. 124 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:20,304 That's just a statement without, you know, any facts behind it. 125 00:12:20,348 --> 00:12:22,306 They just look like they've taken steroids. 126 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:26,963 I was really developing on a natural level and I was making big strides 127 00:12:27,007 --> 00:12:31,620 and I just wanted to keep going and see how much I could do it on this level. 128 00:12:31,663 --> 00:12:35,885 And I feel like I brought my physique to its natural full potential. 129 00:12:35,929 --> 00:12:39,280 And what I love is that I'm able to maintain and keep it all year-round. 130 00:12:40,847 --> 00:12:46,069 Rob Terry is a phenom, they would say, in natural bodybuilding. 131 00:12:46,113 --> 00:12:49,159 He's an excellent competitor, an excellent natural bodybuilder, 132 00:12:49,203 --> 00:12:53,424 and he is gonna stay, you know, at the top of the mountain for a little while. 133 00:12:59,866 --> 00:13:02,520 It's asked by Rob to run his blood work multiple times 134 00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:07,047 and, uh, thoroughly convinced that, uh, he's natural athlete. 135 00:13:07,090 --> 00:13:08,570 And that's one great thing about Rob. 136 00:13:10,572 --> 00:13:13,749 Open book, you know, show up at his house, test him anytime-type person. 137 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:15,011 And you don't see that real often. 138 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:28,024 One of the things that I told, um, Iron Man Magazine, 139 00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:33,508 I told my sponsors and I also told the president of the INBA, PNBA, 140 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:37,555 is that it's really important for me as a champion of the INBA 141 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:40,036 to not only be tested on the show 142 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,561 which I've been tested every single time that I've won the title, but I... 143 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:47,348 I also wanted to be tested throughout the year randomly. 144 00:13:47,391 --> 00:13:51,700 Three, two, three... 145 00:13:51,743 --> 00:13:55,312 Have you ever considered or thought about taking performance-enhancement drugs? 146 00:13:55,356 --> 00:13:58,838 Given that I have one kidney, it wouldn't be a good health decision for me. 147 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:00,927 My body wouldn't be able to do it. 148 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:04,931 And it was just one of those decisions that I made very earlier on in my life. 149 00:14:04,974 --> 00:14:08,673 I know my parents are real pretty concerned about my general health 150 00:14:08,717 --> 00:14:11,851 but they supported me one thousand percent 151 00:14:11,894 --> 00:14:14,201 as long as I stayed natural and healthy. 152 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:20,381 Rob is very, very health conscious. 153 00:14:20,424 --> 00:14:23,775 When he was eight years old, he had quite a life-changing experience. 154 00:14:23,819 --> 00:14:29,042 He... he suffered from a severe case of hydronephrosis, 155 00:14:29,085 --> 00:14:32,306 which actually meant he had to have a kidney surgically removed. 156 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:37,093 I'll never forget the day we went to the hospital and it was diagnosed. 157 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:41,315 And Chris and I both thought how on Earth are we gonna tell Robert 158 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:44,840 what the problem is and what's gonna have to happen. 159 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,103 And we were worried how he'd react to that. 160 00:14:47,147 --> 00:14:51,194 And we were totally amazed when we told him, he just looked at us and said, 161 00:14:51,238 --> 00:14:54,937 "Well, thanks for explaining that to me, I understand. 162 00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:58,375 What have I got to do to get better after the operation?" 163 00:14:59,724 --> 00:15:05,208 - And that was, to my mind, incredible. - Yeah. 164 00:15:05,252 --> 00:15:10,431 Um, that he had such determination to get healthy again. 165 00:15:12,172 --> 00:15:15,001 - Yeah, I got it. - Okay. 166 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:16,437 Come here. Swing, please. 167 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,917 Pick which one you want to go on. 168 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,876 This swing? That one? This one? All right, let's jump... 169 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,704 If you haven't asked your support structure, 170 00:15:22,747 --> 00:15:25,185 "Hey, this is what I want to do and this is what I need from you," 171 00:15:25,228 --> 00:15:26,490 it's never gonna happen. 172 00:15:26,534 --> 00:15:29,058 Do your cardio, do your workout, prep your meals, 173 00:15:29,102 --> 00:15:30,973 still be with your significant other 174 00:15:31,017 --> 00:15:33,019 and have them understand that there are times 175 00:15:33,062 --> 00:15:35,021 when you're really tired or really hungry 176 00:15:35,064 --> 00:15:37,806 and you don't want to go out and sit at a restaurant and not eat it. 177 00:15:37,849 --> 00:15:39,590 ...straight down there. 178 00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:43,290 I think it can be hard in a situation where you're with someone 179 00:15:43,333 --> 00:15:45,466 and they don't understand what you're doing. 180 00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:49,078 I'm really, really fortunate and I'm really lucky that my wife understands 181 00:15:49,122 --> 00:15:50,384 everything that I do. 182 00:15:50,427 --> 00:15:52,603 She understands everything that I want to do. 183 00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:55,171 And she's incredibly supportive of that. 184 00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:58,435 Yeah, I want to say I want to be the longest reigning 185 00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:01,003 Natural Mr. Olympia champion back to back. 186 00:16:01,047 --> 00:16:03,527 It's a goal that I'm hundred percent committed to. 187 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:15,278 Philip Ricardo Jr., originally a skinny kid from Brooklyn. 188 00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:19,935 Phil joined the Marines at a young age where he began building his physique. 189 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,982 He developed quickly and was soon entering 190 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:25,375 and winning the bodybuilding competitions. 191 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:33,644 Eventually, he won enough titles to earn a nickname, "The Legend." 192 00:16:33,688 --> 00:16:36,517 He's since retired from pro bodybuilder. 193 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,999 But at 48 years old, he has decided to come back 194 00:16:40,042 --> 00:16:42,827 to reclaim his title of Natural Olympia. 195 00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:53,882 My family situation was... It was pretty rough. 196 00:16:53,925 --> 00:16:56,450 My father, unfortunately, he went to jail, 197 00:16:56,493 --> 00:16:59,757 so that's why I moved from Rochester to Brooklyn. 198 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:02,064 I was a very shy kid, pretty skinny. 199 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:06,112 Um, you know, I was in projects, so it's kind of, you know, 200 00:17:06,155 --> 00:17:09,289 intimidating to be around that kind of atmosphere. 201 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:12,466 But it was that growing up I wanted to be healthy. 202 00:17:12,509 --> 00:17:13,815 And I actually grew up very sickly. 203 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,165 I had asthma as a young kid. 204 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:19,908 It was more of a selfish thing, I wanted to be successful. 205 00:17:19,951 --> 00:17:24,434 And I saw all these other bodybuilders, you know, being on ESPN and TV, 206 00:17:24,478 --> 00:17:28,395 and so, I wanted to be on TV, I wanted to be in magazines, I wanted to be on the cover. 207 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:32,573 But as I've gotten older and family and kids and everything else, 208 00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:36,446 you see that those things don't matter and all these things that I do is just kind of, 209 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:40,929 like, it's nice but it doesn't mean anything when it comes to eternal life. 210 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:47,544 I've seen the lifestyle around me, not just that, you know, drinking, drugs. 211 00:17:47,588 --> 00:17:52,375 I saw my parents, you know, they were smoking stuff in the car while we're driving. 212 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:56,466 And me trying to do anything that would, you know, 213 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:59,774 deter me from being healthy by taking some kind of drugs 214 00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:02,255 or putting anything bad into my system 215 00:18:02,298 --> 00:18:05,780 would be counterproductive to a healthy lifestyle. 216 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:13,222 To be honest, I didn't really have this focused on my radar until really late 217 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:15,746 and people, you know, are always asking when I'm going to come back. 218 00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:17,966 So, I thought it'll be just something good to do. 219 00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:22,666 So, yeah, I feel like I wish I had more time to just really, really prepare. 220 00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:28,150 But I also feel that I am in a good place now and I feel I am gonna be ready. 221 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:32,981 The one thing I'm most proud of is the fact that I've competed 222 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,636 against probably all the top natural bodybuilders. 223 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:38,639 I've been fortunate enough to have beaten all of them. 224 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:40,423 Well, we'll see what happens with Rob. I don't know if that's gonna happen, but... 225 00:18:40,467 --> 00:18:42,817 I will never to see myself as being a legend, 226 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:45,689 but I think just because I have been in the sport so long 227 00:18:45,733 --> 00:18:48,083 and going up against all the top guys. 228 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:55,656 When it comes to Phil, he is, to me, what drew me into natural bodybuilding. 229 00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:59,355 It's the idea that you have this almost unattainable level 230 00:18:59,399 --> 00:19:03,751 of not just physical appearance but sportsmanship overall. 231 00:19:03,794 --> 00:19:08,234 Philip Ricardo Jr. is a past winner, 2015, 232 00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:13,630 of this Natural Olympia and he's gonna try to take care of Rob. 233 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:22,596 You know, been divorced and have, you know, extended family all over the place. 234 00:19:22,639 --> 00:19:25,207 Not too long ago, my parents both passed away. 235 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:29,211 It's nice kind of how God works where you may lose something 236 00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:30,734 and then you gain something else in... In return. 237 00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:34,869 Now being engaged to... To Kelly, it's... 238 00:19:34,912 --> 00:19:38,699 It's amazing that, you know, all the things I've been through, relationship-wise, 239 00:19:38,742 --> 00:19:41,571 that I was able to find finally at this age, 48 years old, 240 00:19:41,615 --> 00:19:45,880 a woman that really, I understand and she understands, 241 00:19:45,923 --> 00:19:48,099 maybe we speak each other's love language. 242 00:19:48,143 --> 00:19:52,626 I can't wait till Vegas when, uh, we go to that buffet he's been talking about. 243 00:19:52,669 --> 00:19:54,193 So, that's good. 244 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:56,238 She's been supportive the entire time. 245 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:58,675 She helps cook some of my food for me if I need it. 246 00:19:58,719 --> 00:20:03,027 And so, having support and having someone that's not going to make it tougher on me 247 00:20:03,071 --> 00:20:05,421 because it's already a very tough sport is definitely a blessing. 248 00:20:05,465 --> 00:20:07,858 He has a very restrictive diet, which, you know, 249 00:20:07,902 --> 00:20:12,211 we already know that chicken is one of the cleanest protein you could have besides fish 250 00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:16,693 and that is the two things that he's been eating to prepare for his competition, 251 00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:19,957 which is actually very perfect for our human body. 252 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:22,786 So, like I said, Rob is huge, Chris is huge. 253 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:27,182 I've learned even in my last Olympia in 2015 that I won, 254 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:30,403 I had to go up against another great legend, 255 00:20:30,446 --> 00:20:34,145 hall-of-famer Michael Waddington and another guy called Martin Daniels. 256 00:20:34,189 --> 00:20:35,712 These guys are big. 257 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:38,759 And I knew if I came in just trying to get as super lean, 258 00:20:38,802 --> 00:20:39,890 that's not gonna beat those guys. 259 00:20:44,939 --> 00:20:48,290 People could say I have good genetics but if I show a picture of when I was, 260 00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:51,380 you know, in high school just that kind of like a straight up and down beanpole 261 00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:55,254 and I think me training brought out whatever genetics I did have. 262 00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:57,299 To be honest, I can't come in there saying I want... 263 00:20:57,343 --> 00:20:59,606 I don't want to win because that doesn't make sense. 264 00:20:59,649 --> 00:21:01,782 If you're a champion, you are always gonna want to win. 265 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:05,264 So, it's more of I want to go out there against guys I've never competed against 266 00:21:05,307 --> 00:21:08,092 and once again test myself, you know, see where I'm at. 267 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,007 I'm 48 years old now, I'm not a spring chicken, 268 00:21:10,051 --> 00:21:12,532 and no matter what the outcome, I'm gonna congratulate the winner 269 00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:14,969 and, hopefully, I'm congratulating myself. 270 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:16,666 This is gonna be a dogfight, you know. 271 00:21:22,585 --> 00:21:25,327 You think testing for steroids and eliminating it from the sport 272 00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:27,721 would maybe help it become mainstream? 273 00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:30,289 No, not at all. 274 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:32,987 You have natural bodybuilding. 275 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:35,163 Nobody knows who they are. 276 00:21:35,206 --> 00:21:39,689 All these organizations pop up and they try to compete against the NPC and the IFBB. 277 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:42,866 They're not gonna get there because everybody wants... 278 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:45,042 Has their Mr. Olympia dreams. 279 00:21:45,086 --> 00:21:47,784 They want to step on that Olympia stage. 280 00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:50,309 You know, that lure is too strong. 281 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:54,922 People like freaks. They write freaks. The... The sport has evolved. 282 00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:57,533 What natural bodybuilding organizations am I familiar with? 283 00:21:57,577 --> 00:22:02,146 Probably none. I mean, I don't... I don't really... Like I said, the... 284 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:06,020 I mean, the only organization I'm really familiar with is the IFBB. 285 00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:11,068 As for actual set natty organizations, I don't know 286 00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:14,507 and I don't really even buy that, you know, all of them are natural. 287 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:19,816 It's not that drug-free bodybuilding was as big. 288 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:26,693 I think number one, the information of the other realities that exist 289 00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:30,740 wasn't as prevalent as it is now. 290 00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:35,266 I don't know what started this whole idea that natural bodybuilding 291 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:37,399 was supposed to be unconditioned and boring 292 00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:41,360 and, you know, smaller guys and nobody comes in conditioned. 293 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:45,407 I... I really hope that this portion of this decade and... And... 294 00:22:45,451 --> 00:22:48,976 And this timeframe in our lives shows people 295 00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:52,371 that it's about the excitement of the sport, 296 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:55,417 it's not about your lane, and our lane is natural bodybuilding. 297 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:06,428 The choice to use anabolics in the sport of bodybuilding 298 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:08,996 is just that a personal choice. 299 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:12,086 Athletes choose to use these drugs for different reasons 300 00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:14,567 from expanding the limits of your genetics 301 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:18,397 to achieving recognition and accolades on a bodybuilding stage. 302 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,703 While it is a choice, 303 00:23:20,747 --> 00:23:23,924 it's also assumed the more successful athletes and media influencers 304 00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:27,406 enhance their bodies and get more attention because of that. 305 00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:32,019 Mike O'Hearn, a former PNBA athlete, 306 00:23:32,062 --> 00:23:35,544 has managed to become one of the most famous bodybuilding influencers 307 00:23:35,588 --> 00:23:38,155 without the use of anabolic substances. 308 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,379 Though many people, both in and out of the industry, do not believe him. 309 00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:51,647 Good to see you. I like you guys all coming in all pimpin looking. 310 00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:52,866 Ready for you. 311 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:57,348 - It's cool, man, to have your own gym - Thank you. Thank you. 312 00:23:57,392 --> 00:23:58,828 Welcome to the castle. 313 00:23:58,872 --> 00:24:01,440 Can you tell me how you became a natural bodybuilder? 314 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:04,268 How did you get into it and why did you decide to be a natural bodybuilder? 315 00:24:04,312 --> 00:24:09,709 My dad was a bodybuilder, football player, mom was a martial artist, so we just... 316 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:11,580 We all were bred for this. 317 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:17,194 Started at 9, competed at 13, Olympic lifting, 14, stepped on stage, 318 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:19,719 competed against 20 19-year-olds, 319 00:24:19,762 --> 00:24:21,547 and at 14 years old, I beat them all. 320 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:25,202 How did you discover - INBA/ - PNBA league? 321 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:28,162 How'd you discover it and why you chose to compete for them? 322 00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:31,034 It was the first show I discovered that was natural. 323 00:24:31,078 --> 00:24:35,125 Um, and so, it was like in '89, and they had a show 324 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:39,826 and I drove down to Northern California and competed and I won the show. 325 00:24:39,869 --> 00:24:42,306 I just thought it was a pretty badass thing. 326 00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:45,527 Do people question you when... When you say you're natural, 327 00:24:45,571 --> 00:24:48,748 - do they question you and say, "You can't be natural?" - Since I was 13 years old. 328 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,229 - Your whole life? - Since 13 years old. Imagine that. 329 00:24:53,666 --> 00:24:55,494 I don't think he's natural. 330 00:24:55,537 --> 00:24:59,193 I think... I don't think he's taking it to the insane levels, you know, 331 00:24:59,236 --> 00:25:02,283 but, personally, I think he's dabbled in it here and there. 332 00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:05,504 If I had to bet my house and is Mike O'Hearn natural 333 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:09,072 or is Mike O'Hearn on drug, of course, I'd bet my house that he's not natural. 334 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:11,771 So, I don't want to discount his hard work, 335 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:14,556 he is an extremely hard worker in the gym. 336 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,517 He has an incredible physique. He defies age. 337 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,304 But I don't believe for a minute that he's not using performance-enhancing drugs. 338 00:25:27,351 --> 00:25:29,440 The old Michael, the Mike O'Hearn mystery. 339 00:25:29,484 --> 00:25:32,835 I've known Mike for years and if he claims he'd be natural then I get he's natural. 340 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:36,143 You know what I mean? I... I'm not gonna refute him. But I will say one thng. 341 00:25:36,186 --> 00:25:38,014 I mean people pick on this guy all the time 342 00:25:38,058 --> 00:25:42,410 but I've been in that Gold's Gym since 1990 and Mike's been there 343 00:25:42,453 --> 00:25:45,369 and that son of a bitch is there at four o'clock. 344 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:50,244 His life is dedicated to building his physique and no one can take that away. 345 00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:54,465 Could be natural and looks like Mike it would be Mike. But Mike is probably 346 00:25:54,509 --> 00:26:00,123 the one person out there that if a human being is capable of doing it, it's probably Mike. 347 00:26:00,167 --> 00:26:03,910 Mike O'Hearn, even I see all these things that people say about him. 348 00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:06,303 He's been doing this thing for a long time. 349 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,392 He powerlifts, he's strong, he's just... 350 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:10,307 He's just a freak just like Rob Terry, you know. 351 00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:13,702 And I think that because he's still affiliated, 352 00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:16,313 he's so involved with the Federation, 353 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:19,099 I don't think someone like that would be involved 354 00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:24,408 if they were doing something that wasn't, you know, clean. 355 00:26:24,452 --> 00:26:25,932 - I didn't know. - Did Joe hook it up? 356 00:26:25,975 --> 00:26:27,586 Yeah. I'm doing it. Let's do it. 357 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,762 It really... It doesn't matter if you do it or don't do it 358 00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:32,242 or if you believe I do it or don't do it doesn't matter. 359 00:26:32,286 --> 00:26:33,200 I didn't make my career off of this. 360 00:26:34,418 --> 00:26:38,205 What matters on, I always say if I did it, 361 00:26:38,248 --> 00:26:43,558 my career would have been over in the '90s like everybody else's from back then. 362 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:47,388 And I can't think of anybody that stayed consistent as long as I have. 363 00:26:47,431 --> 00:26:49,999 And that's solely nutrition. 364 00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:52,045 Mike hasn't competed in years, 365 00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:55,744 but he remains active in a natural bodybuilding world as a mentor 366 00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:57,006 to up-and-coming talent. 367 00:26:57,050 --> 00:26:58,965 After you. Come. 368 00:26:59,008 --> 00:27:01,881 Most recently, he has taken an interest in Adrian Pietrariu, 369 00:27:01,924 --> 00:27:04,797 a Romanian refugee who stays in constant shape 370 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,450 by competing throughout the year. 371 00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:07,669 I love this. 372 00:27:07,713 --> 00:27:09,105 - Already, baby. - Now I get to watch. 373 00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:10,585 From one champ to another, huh. 374 00:27:12,282 --> 00:27:12,935 - Let's throw down today, let's have some fun. - Let's do this. 375 00:27:23,729 --> 00:27:26,166 Can tell you about Adrian, your relationship with him, 376 00:27:26,209 --> 00:27:29,648 and kind of how would you assess him as an athlete as a competitor? 377 00:27:29,691 --> 00:27:32,520 Adrian's focused. He's very precise. 378 00:27:32,563 --> 00:27:35,871 He's a businessman, that's first and foremost. 379 00:27:35,915 --> 00:27:40,223 And he does it for himself but he does not like anybody else to... 380 00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:44,793 If they're gonna take stuff, he's definitely one against them. 381 00:27:44,837 --> 00:27:46,926 Well, I usually want to be at 190, 382 00:27:46,969 --> 00:27:52,671 so, uh, it gives me a lot of room to add some more carbs much lower... 383 00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:57,414 Adrian reveals the plans to finally step on a pro stage at a Natural Olympia 384 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:00,679 and compete against top talent like Rob and Phil. 385 00:28:00,722 --> 00:28:02,724 But he's hesitant to do so. 386 00:28:02,768 --> 00:28:03,769 Nice, nice. 387 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:07,555 . 388 00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:10,253 Nice, nice. 389 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:18,044 One thing is, and... And the main thing for him is to believe in himself, 390 00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:23,092 um, because I know for the longest time he didn't go to the open and I wish he had. 391 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:25,225 I couldn't understand him still doing the... 392 00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:27,140 The amateur shows and not doing the open. 393 00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:28,532 Right. 394 00:28:28,576 --> 00:28:30,578 So, for me it's just... It's a different mindset. 395 00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,798 Um, I think he looks great. 396 00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:37,454 I'm very curious to see when he actually crosses over into the pro class how he does. 397 00:28:37,498 --> 00:28:39,369 He's a great competitor and I... I... 398 00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:42,459 I hope soon that he stops competing amateur and... 399 00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:45,027 And moves into the pro because I think he would do... Do well. 400 00:28:46,115 --> 00:28:47,900 Just like you're on stage now, come on. 401 00:28:50,076 --> 00:28:52,339 A lot of people say, well, that's not the best because they're natural. 402 00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:56,169 - Uh, you know... - Any rebuttal on that? 403 00:28:56,212 --> 00:29:01,696 You know, yeah, uh, it is the best because the other way you're actually cheating. 404 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,438 So, if you're cheating, is that the best or not the best? 405 00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:08,703 So, if you're throwing in things that, you know, are ways to cheat, 406 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:12,707 does that make you the best or does that make you just the best cheater? 407 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,753 - I'm going off here I'm just... - You know what I'm saying? 408 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:16,450 - I'm... I'm... I'm asking you the questions here, baby. - I'm telling you. 409 00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:18,844 I'm telling you. I'm telling you. That's the way I feel. 410 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:24,023 Okay. - So, if you're using something other than yourself... 411 00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:28,288 Your own best, right, so you're using ways to cheat, then it's not your best. 412 00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:31,857 When if somebody has low testosterone or something, 413 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,164 and so, they're already fighting an uphill battle? 414 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,778 I think you have to do the best you can with what you have. 415 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:43,564 You know what I mean? So, there's a 43-year-old guy at the gym. 416 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,609 Hey, bro, I used to look like you. 417 00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:46,741 When? 418 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:47,786 When you're 16? 419 00:29:48,699 --> 00:29:50,136 I'm 41, motherfucker. 420 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,489 You see what I'm saying? So, there... There's some hypocrite... 421 00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:59,493 Hypocrites out there that say, "Hey, I look like this. 422 00:29:59,536 --> 00:30:02,496 I'm doing it naturally," but they really aren't. 423 00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:03,889 Well, I am, so... 424 00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:06,717 Tell me when you're feeling it. 425 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:11,722 Yeah, I like to get that pump, you know. 426 00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:13,333 - No, no, no... - Like, you feel like to get that blood flowing there. 427 00:30:13,376 --> 00:30:15,161 - Don't show it until you're ready. - Right, right. 428 00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:19,208 - I like the dryness, though. 429 00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:20,122 Yeah. 430 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:26,215 See. 431 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:27,521 The Romanian blood. 432 00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:29,262 - These vampires. 433 00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:30,785 - Right. 434 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,439 Gotta love that. 435 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,571 This is my pro debut, man. 436 00:30:34,615 --> 00:30:36,704 - Uh, I'd been... So, wait a minute. 437 00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:41,578 Biggest show in the world, your pro debut, 438 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:46,279 - you're jumping in head to head with the greatest. - Yeah. 439 00:30:46,322 --> 00:30:49,543 Then you just said, you know what, I'm getting in the fight this time. 440 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:52,067 I don't want to play around with the amateurs this time. 441 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,287 This time I want the very best of the best and that's it. 442 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:58,378 Well, I've been winning at all, so the next thing is gonna be... What's the next thing? 443 00:30:58,421 --> 00:31:00,032 You gotta go to the next level, right? 444 00:31:05,037 --> 00:31:07,213 I'm excited being, you know, on the biggest stage, you know, 445 00:31:07,256 --> 00:31:09,171 with all these athletes from... 446 00:31:09,215 --> 00:31:11,826 The best natural athletes from all over the world that are coming in, 447 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,784 - I mean, from everywhere. - Right. 448 00:31:13,828 --> 00:31:16,352 So, it's not like just the U.S. or just... 449 00:31:16,396 --> 00:31:18,267 - This is worldwide, man. - This is worldwide. 450 00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:21,314 This is the Olympics for natural bodybuilding. 451 00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:25,492 Getting ready for this show, is there anybody that you think you need to beat 452 00:31:25,535 --> 00:31:28,234 or is it you coming in in your best wins this? 453 00:31:28,277 --> 00:31:30,453 Me coming to my best is gonna win this. 454 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:34,588 Play it up, play it up. Show them everything. 455 00:31:34,631 --> 00:31:36,938 How many shows have you done drug tested? 456 00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:41,856 So, uh, I've been competing, uh, since 2009 457 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:48,558 and, uh, I got tested from the very first show and every show after... 458 00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:52,475 But people have... People have scammed and... And... 459 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,002 And snuck past those tests before, polygraph and urine and blood. 460 00:31:57,045 --> 00:32:00,309 So, how... How is, uh... You never been busted for it? 461 00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,835 Yeah, there's not gonna be busted if I'm not taking anything. 462 00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:07,055 There we go. There we go. 463 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,101 It's gonna be very hard to be busted when you're not taking anything. It's like... 464 00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:13,279 Is it... Is it something more to you than just competing and doing it naturally? 465 00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:15,455 - Is there something... What is it? - Man.. 466 00:32:15,498 --> 00:32:19,981 You know what it is for me, how can I eat really clean? 467 00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:24,333 Chicken, rice, fish, turkey, 468 00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:27,728 train hard, put all this great stuff in my system 469 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:32,776 and then throw in a substance that actually ruins my entire body, 470 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,998 uh, ruins my health, uh, you can end up dying from it. 471 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:39,348 It sounds very hypocritical to me. 472 00:32:44,136 --> 00:32:47,400 Now is this what you normally eat after or roughly? 473 00:32:47,443 --> 00:32:49,315 Yeah, I like to keep it pretty simple. 474 00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:53,797 Um, I live alone, so for me, simplicity is, uh, the key. 475 00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:54,711 Is... 476 00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:01,327 How important is nutrition in, uh, natural bodybuilding? 477 00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:03,894 So, a hundred percent nutrition, 478 00:33:03,938 --> 00:33:08,682 a hundred percent the gym and a hundred percent mindset. 479 00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:11,293 So, uh, three hundred percent. 480 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:13,469 Salute. 481 00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:28,571 In '89, we decided to, uh, escape communism, 482 00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:32,053 we ran over the border with my parents, my brothers. And my... 483 00:33:32,097 --> 00:33:38,016 My mother being pregnant, they caught us over the border. They took us to, uh, jail. 484 00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:42,977 My mother and the kids, we went to, uh, house arrest and my, uh... 485 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,675 My father, he went to a regular prison. 486 00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:48,026 Two weeks later, they brought us together. 487 00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:52,508 We said, well, the next place where we want to go, so, we try for the U.S., 488 00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:56,121 where the U.S., took us about three months or so to find out 489 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,731 and then the U.S. accepted us. 490 00:33:57,774 --> 00:34:01,082 So, which... The U.S. was Michigan. 491 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:03,215 No, the other one... right there. Yeah, that one. 492 00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:05,391 When we came to the U.S., 493 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:07,567 going from where we were to coming here 494 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,308 was seemed like almost like it was heaven, right, 495 00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:11,136 like things that we've never seen. 496 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:15,531 Grocery stores, they were full of just like what do we want to eat. 497 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:20,101 Toy store, and like what are you gonna buy as a young kid, right? We couldn't even figure it out. 498 00:34:20,145 --> 00:34:22,886 Just things that we, you know, never really had. 499 00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:30,111 I thought that all the guys that were taking drugs 500 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:33,593 that they were getting those results by being natural, 501 00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:38,032 by taking the creatine and all this other supplements, 502 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,513 so, I was like, "They're taking supplements." I was naive. 503 00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:44,517 So, first of all, I'm very competitive. 504 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,345 So, I don't like to lose. 505 00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:48,738 I have always trained hard. I have always loved to compete. 506 00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:53,613 So, when I go to the gym, like, if you and I train together, then I want to do more than you. 507 00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:57,399 So, if you're doing 10 reps, I want to do 12, 15 reps. 508 00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:58,661 It doesn't matter who you are. 509 00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:00,533 And I don't like to do anything half-assed. 510 00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:03,797 How do I beat the guy that's following the book? 511 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,538 I'm gonna create my own book. 512 00:35:05,581 --> 00:35:07,279 I'm gonna do my own way. 513 00:35:07,322 --> 00:35:09,933 And I'm gonna push myself so hard 514 00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,414 because a lot of us don't know how much we can really handle. 515 00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:14,460 And I want to win against the best in the world. 516 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:26,994 The next athlete lives on the other side of the world in Qatar. 517 00:35:27,037 --> 00:35:31,651 At six-foot-three, Christopher Oketch is able to display an impressive physique 518 00:35:31,694 --> 00:35:34,219 that could rival Rob Terry in size. 519 00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:38,353 Despite splitting his time between strongman and bodybuilding competitions, 520 00:35:38,397 --> 00:35:42,140 Chris managed to move up to the third place in 2018. 521 00:35:46,405 --> 00:35:47,754 Oh, hey. 522 00:35:47,797 --> 00:35:49,886 - Let's do it, man. Let's do it. - Yes, yes. 523 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:50,887 What do we have here? 524 00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:00,636 In less than two months, 525 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,597 we will see if he's able to close the gap and take Rob's title. 526 00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:13,736 My trademark is that I'm three in one. 527 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:18,263 I'm a bodybuilder, a strength athlete and a fitness athlete. 528 00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:23,833 So, in my training, I get to train the hardest. 529 00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:25,531 Maybe I'm probably the hardest, you know, 530 00:36:25,574 --> 00:36:28,751 worker in the bodybuilding or the Mr. Olympia coming up. 531 00:36:31,363 --> 00:36:35,149 And I have to train strength events and bodybuilding. 532 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,195 So, in bodybuilding, you're training muscles. 533 00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:40,894 In strength events, you... You're training movements for time. 534 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:55,256 I was born and raised in a slum setting in the streets of Nairobi. 535 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,216 We had very big family, ten siblings. 536 00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:02,350 Pretty much been very active all my life. 537 00:37:06,572 --> 00:37:10,358 I chose to stay natural because why 538 00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:15,972 it's the only way that I could have gone as far as I could in this sport. 539 00:37:19,759 --> 00:37:25,330 Chris Oketch is that guy that comes from a place that you've never been, 540 00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:28,202 that you've never heard of, but he comes out of nowhere and you're like, 541 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:32,075 "Do they all look like this?" I mean, he's huge. The guy's enormous. 542 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,124 He's quiet, soft-spoken, but imposing onstage. 543 00:37:37,167 --> 00:37:41,346 I mean you... You see him and you could be ten rows back in the crowd 544 00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,391 and he's just larger than life. 545 00:37:53,053 --> 00:37:55,316 Feeling like a new man. 546 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,665 Yeah. 547 00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:02,845 I want to be that Natural Olympia, the new Natural Olympia. 548 00:38:02,889 --> 00:38:06,066 And I believe this given that, you know, 549 00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:07,850 from where I come from, 550 00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:13,595 from where I'm at right now and my discipline. 551 00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:18,905 The idea of being able to develop a... 552 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:25,477 A disciplined way of thinking that shaped or had a positive effect 553 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:31,526 on your mental, spiritual, and physical development, 554 00:38:32,614 --> 00:38:38,664 the thing that I found to help me do that was cloaked in this idea of bodybuilding. 555 00:38:38,707 --> 00:38:41,449 Learning how to pose, learning how to show your physique, 556 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:43,190 learning how to develop your physique. 557 00:38:43,233 --> 00:38:47,020 Latissimus dorsi, what is it... This is beautiful. Wow. 558 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:48,326 Beautiful. 559 00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:53,374 Bodybuilding is all about understanding what are your weaknesses 560 00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:55,898 and working those harder. 561 00:38:55,942 --> 00:39:02,557 So, symmetry, size and how cut you're able to be, 562 00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,473 those are the three main things, technically. 563 00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:08,041 My whole life is, is my passion is to... To... 564 00:39:08,084 --> 00:39:12,480 To change bodybuilding where it really should be, you know, a beautiful sport. 565 00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,834 You know, this is my heritage, you know, the history of Greece, 566 00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:20,836 the history of the sports, the Olympics and it was... 567 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,013 It was the beauty of the... Of the physique, you know. 568 00:39:24,057 --> 00:39:27,190 The way it was created was because the direction of what the bodybuilding 569 00:39:27,234 --> 00:39:28,757 was going in the '80s. 570 00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:32,239 The people were getting freaky, it was becoming unhealthy, 571 00:39:32,282 --> 00:39:36,025 especially when the women starting to look like men, it ruined the sport. 572 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:39,942 I wanted to go back to what really bodybuilding should be like. 573 00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:43,772 I thought it was the time for us to start a new organization 574 00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:49,561 where it's really truly given even playing field and it's... It's a natural movement. 575 00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:52,172 Ladies, face front on the judges. 576 00:39:53,782 --> 00:39:56,437 Natural bodybuilding for me and the organization 577 00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:59,745 is to promote health, wellness, life longevity 578 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:04,489 and to give the elite natural athletes the platform to compete and be competitive. 579 00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:12,584 We have never ended traditional female bodybuilding. 580 00:40:12,627 --> 00:40:14,150 I love female bodybuilding. 581 00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:15,804 We want to be able to enjoy the... 582 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,590 The beautiful physique of... Of our... Of our female athletes. 583 00:40:18,633 --> 00:40:23,769 Women's figure is a very specific subset of the category, so I think it's... 584 00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:27,381 It's almost not even fair to not talk about that piece of it 585 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,078 in terms of the division as a whole. 586 00:40:29,122 --> 00:40:30,993 The women's figure division 587 00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:33,909 is one of the most competitive categories in the league. 588 00:40:33,953 --> 00:40:39,219 Alondra Chatman and Tiffany Stosich are two of the division's top athletes. 589 00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:47,532 Just as male competitors, both women managed to find time to get ready for the competition 590 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:49,925 while balancing work and family. 591 00:40:52,232 --> 00:40:54,974 I grew up in West Valley, so it's kind of a rougher area. 592 00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:59,805 My mom was divorced, so we kind of didn't live in the nicest places. 593 00:40:59,848 --> 00:41:03,330 We usually rented rooms from other people 594 00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:06,420 and it was just a hard time growing up with little money. 595 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,510 And my mom just did what she could to take care of us, so. 596 00:41:20,869 --> 00:41:22,349 Thanks for looking after us. 597 00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:24,177 So, growing up, I was kind of like an outcast 598 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:26,788 and I feel like I didn't grow up with the best genetics, 599 00:41:26,832 --> 00:41:29,922 like I was always overweight, I was teased. 600 00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:34,013 And then as soon as I got into lifting in high school, 601 00:41:34,056 --> 00:41:36,015 I had a coach that was a bodybuilder 602 00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:38,583 and he wanted me to do a lot of powerlifting. 603 00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:42,456 So, I felt like it just helped me learn that through hard work, 604 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,111 you can do anything that you want. 605 00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:50,551 So, when did you begin your career as a bodybuilder? 606 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:56,601 Let's see. That probably would have been around 2000, 607 00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:58,907 um, that I actually paid attention to it 608 00:41:58,951 --> 00:42:01,693 as being something that I might be able to do. 609 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:04,913 And then, I had a cancer scare, so that kind of just pushed 610 00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:08,830 everything back for me not being able to actually get to the stage. 611 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:14,575 It's always a challenge to balance career and family. 612 00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:18,274 Being a wife and a mom, that's definitely a job. 613 00:42:18,318 --> 00:42:22,801 It's not something you can ignore in any way and have it all function. 614 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,598 The gym is more than a job. I mean, this is my passion. 615 00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:41,167 And, I mean, I worked for corporate for several years at Visa. 616 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:45,693 I left that to open a gym. We had a small facility. 617 00:42:45,737 --> 00:42:47,608 It was just me when I first opened. 618 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,829 You just kind of make it work how you can. 619 00:43:04,712 --> 00:43:08,368 I've done probably around 20 shows in my life. 620 00:43:08,411 --> 00:43:14,200 I've done a lot of different federations from, um, NPC, NGA, IFBB Elite Pro, 621 00:43:14,243 --> 00:43:16,463 and then now, I'm currently with the PNBA. 622 00:43:16,506 --> 00:43:19,118 I just switched to natural after I had kids 623 00:43:19,161 --> 00:43:22,469 'cause I just realized that I couldn't compete in the other leagues. 624 00:43:26,212 --> 00:43:31,434 I can say as a woman, that every five years or so, things change slightly. 625 00:43:31,478 --> 00:43:36,918 The more that I am focused on nutrition and staying consistent with my workouts, 626 00:43:36,962 --> 00:43:38,920 the less change I see. 627 00:43:38,964 --> 00:43:44,360 The strategy that I have right now is to maintain and even slightly improve 628 00:43:44,404 --> 00:43:46,014 on what I brought to the last show. 629 00:43:49,931 --> 00:43:52,804 I'm naturally a bigger girl 630 00:43:52,847 --> 00:43:56,808 and I know like with being a bigger girl, I can build muscle easily, 631 00:43:56,851 --> 00:43:58,636 but it's not easy for me to stay lean. 632 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,421 I have to like really watch what I eat. 633 00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:05,817 And then having hypothyroidism is another, like, downfall with bodybuilding, 634 00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,210 it's like my... My metabolism is really slow, 635 00:44:08,254 --> 00:44:11,344 so, it's just having to like work even harder. 636 00:44:15,522 --> 00:44:19,874 I want to walk home with again the... The gold medal and say, 637 00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:24,009 "Hey, all this work that I've been doing for the last two years 638 00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:26,794 ended up with me coming home with that first place," 639 00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:32,800 because that's literally the biggest show of the year and everyone wants to win. 640 00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:34,584 Everyone is coming for that win. 641 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:39,459 I've always been a hundred percent natural. 642 00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:42,897 The reason why I decided when I got into the next level 643 00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:45,073 is when everyone was starting to take steroids 644 00:44:45,117 --> 00:44:48,381 and I just said that's not what I'm gonna do 645 00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,731 and I'm gonna prove everyone wrong that I can do it without that. 646 00:44:56,606 --> 00:44:59,740 What's a typical bodybuilder's anabolic cycle looking like? 647 00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:04,832 There's probably 2000 chemicals that have been... That... That have been derived. 648 00:45:04,876 --> 00:45:11,099 But there's about 150 that have been produced in the world. And there's about 25. 649 00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:17,149 Anadrol, Dbol, testosterone, esters, nor-19 drugs, 650 00:45:17,192 --> 00:45:20,718 DHT derivatives, testosterone derivatives. 651 00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:23,285 Those are steroids. Then you go on to SARMs. 652 00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:27,376 There's a bunch of SARMs, right, there's about five or ten SARMs. 653 00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:31,554 It sounds great for SARM, Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator, right? 654 00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:37,082 There's no question that the future in real chemistry and science 655 00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:39,649 is looking to a SARM. 656 00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:43,392 The natural bodybuilders, however, are only limited to over-the-counter supplements 657 00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:47,788 such as protein, amino acids, creatine, and vitamins. 658 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,099 As the result, natural physiques look drastically different from the enhanced. 659 00:45:54,142 --> 00:45:55,883 You can judge for yourself. 660 00:46:04,631 --> 00:46:08,243 So, steroids, how dangerous are they really? 661 00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:12,204 When you look at the research where performance-enhanced athletes, 662 00:46:12,247 --> 00:46:15,816 especially bodybuilders, when they get into their 40s and 50s, 663 00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:20,342 they have lots of challenges with heart, with liver, with kidneys, 664 00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:22,997 with brain and all of this function. 665 00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:26,218 It has everything to do with this so-called steal syndrome 666 00:46:26,261 --> 00:46:31,223 because they're stealing energy away from those organs to maintain that muscle. 667 00:46:31,266 --> 00:46:36,097 Steroids are creating more muscle tissue because you recover faster, 668 00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:39,144 you put on more muscle than your body would naturally allow you. 669 00:46:39,187 --> 00:46:42,277 And so, the bigger you get, artificially, 670 00:46:42,321 --> 00:46:45,019 the more you steal energy from those other organs 671 00:46:45,063 --> 00:46:47,239 and you cause problems there long term. 672 00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:53,114 When you use regular steroids, I don't care if you're 18, 19, 20 or 45, 673 00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:55,508 and you gain that kind of weight, you know what happens, Sir? 674 00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,379 Do you understand what happens? 675 00:46:57,423 --> 00:47:00,861 If you grow this, you're gonna grow the left ventricle of the heart. 676 00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:06,258 Mm-hmm. Now, you do it in four or five months, probably microscopic changes. 677 00:47:06,301 --> 00:47:07,999 You're not gonna see it on a gross level. 678 00:47:08,042 --> 00:47:11,959 You keep doing it, it's just gonna be like anything else, Sir. 679 00:47:12,003 --> 00:47:14,614 You're gonna end up having side effects. 680 00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:18,748 Natural bodybuilding aside, bodybuilding and fitness, in general, 681 00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:21,839 is about health and to... To kind of have the understanding 682 00:47:21,882 --> 00:47:26,060 that because this is a controlled substance, that we won't study it 683 00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:30,412 to prove how dangerous or I'll go the extra mile, 684 00:47:30,456 --> 00:47:35,287 or to disprove that it's not dangerous, is dangerous in and of itself. 685 00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:38,681 Is it true if you take enough steroids and you do different things, 686 00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:41,641 are you able to have a higher-level performance? Absolutely. 687 00:47:41,684 --> 00:47:45,079 For people to say you don't, they're stupid, right? 688 00:47:45,123 --> 00:47:48,648 But what it does is it can take someone that's already training hard 689 00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,912 and all that and doing great make him a little bit better. 690 00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:54,088 And so, they do do that, absolutely. 691 00:47:54,132 --> 00:47:56,134 But the problem is, 692 00:47:56,177 --> 00:48:00,399 is they do it at a cost and we don't know what that cost is for each individual. 693 00:48:00,442 --> 00:48:05,708 I don't think that natural bodybuilders or natural bodybuilding exists 694 00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:10,670 because it's not natural to take the body to a super muscular state. 695 00:48:10,713 --> 00:48:12,454 That's not necessary for survival. 696 00:48:12,498 --> 00:48:15,544 I mean, the problem is, that everybody thinks steroids are bad. 697 00:48:15,588 --> 00:48:17,720 I don't believe they're bad. 698 00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:20,245 I believe they're tools to enhance our quality of life, to enhance our performance, 699 00:48:20,288 --> 00:48:23,248 to take us places the human body couldn't otherwise go. 700 00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:26,338 Everybody's on steroids. Everybody. 701 00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:31,473 From the doctor to the lawyer, to the judge, to the guy who plays, you know, 702 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:37,392 weekend golf, to the girl who just wants to lose weight, everybody's taking it. 703 00:48:38,437 --> 00:48:43,659 Because I was natural and still able to be 260 pounds in my offseason, 704 00:48:43,703 --> 00:48:47,794 when I went into the natural competitions and natural organizations, 705 00:48:47,837 --> 00:48:52,842 won in short teenage class and the overall. 706 00:48:52,886 --> 00:48:57,108 And when it came to the idea of taking enhancements 707 00:48:57,151 --> 00:49:02,287 to become even bigger and better athlete, 708 00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:06,595 that was, at some point, very seductive. 709 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:11,122 A lot of times when you say you're natural or do do drugs, especially PEDs, 710 00:49:11,165 --> 00:49:12,775 it is "technically cheating". 711 00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:14,603 Steroid is such an ugly word to the world, you know what I mean? 712 00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:16,605 They use it in such a bad connotation. 713 00:49:16,649 --> 00:49:19,043 When something's bad, it's... That's on steroids, you know. 714 00:49:19,086 --> 00:49:20,435 But the funny thing is when you're sick, 715 00:49:20,479 --> 00:49:22,002 when you're hurt, if you're burnt or anything, 716 00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,873 the first thing you take is a steroid to get you better. 717 00:49:23,917 --> 00:49:28,052 The fact that when you're on steroids, everything changes, you know. 718 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:32,404 There's a whole feeling. It... It's... It's a euphoric feeling. 719 00:49:32,447 --> 00:49:34,972 When you take anabolic steroids, it's a euphoric feeling. 720 00:49:35,015 --> 00:49:39,977 I think anybody, athlete-wise, is tempted to take it because it enhances everything. 721 00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:43,415 Football players do it. Baseball players do it. We know that it in all sports. 722 00:49:43,458 --> 00:49:47,854 Gymnasts do it. Swimmers do it. Um, it makes you better. 723 00:49:48,898 --> 00:49:51,989 So, it really just comes down to the individual how bad do they want it. 724 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,515 The use of anabolics goes way beyond bodybuilding. 725 00:49:56,558 --> 00:49:58,038 It goes beyond sports. 726 00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,867 It's common in the entertainment industry as well, 727 00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:06,481 where stars are required to go through radical transformations in a matter of months. 728 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:09,919 Are steroids prominent in Hollywood? Yes. 729 00:50:09,963 --> 00:50:12,618 You know, from one screen performance to the next, you know, 730 00:50:12,661 --> 00:50:15,403 some people have immense muscle growth, 731 00:50:15,447 --> 00:50:17,884 massive development in... In that short time. 732 00:50:17,927 --> 00:50:19,320 A lot of it can't be done naturally. 733 00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:22,671 Now, I've had actors in the past or pro athletes show up 734 00:50:22,715 --> 00:50:26,284 that I've never worked with that have started alluding to questions on that 735 00:50:26,327 --> 00:50:28,808 and I just can't answer him because I just don't know. 736 00:50:28,851 --> 00:50:32,072 It's just not a world that I want to be affiliated with. 737 00:50:32,116 --> 00:50:33,682 Any actor I have ever worked with, 738 00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:36,294 every film that we've gotten them ready for, 739 00:50:36,337 --> 00:50:38,905 we've all looked at it at the end and we've been really proud of. 740 00:50:38,948 --> 00:50:42,126 Whether they've had enough time or they haven't had enough time, it's okay. 741 00:50:42,169 --> 00:50:45,825 When you tighten things up, nutritionally, from a training standpoint, 742 00:50:45,868 --> 00:50:47,870 from a recovery standpoint, 743 00:50:47,914 --> 00:50:50,482 and you really start tweaking things that people just don't want to tweak, 744 00:50:50,525 --> 00:50:52,788 you'd be shocked to see what the body can do. 745 00:50:52,832 --> 00:50:54,268 The times have changed. 746 00:50:54,312 --> 00:50:56,705 We look at the superheroes from 20 years ago to now. 747 00:50:56,749 --> 00:50:59,969 You had, you know, you had Arnold and Van Damme and Stallone, 748 00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:02,363 now you have Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans, 749 00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:06,367 the image of the superhero is not massive, muscular freaky. 750 00:51:06,411 --> 00:51:08,282 You don't see guys like me anymore. 751 00:51:08,326 --> 00:51:11,590 You see more the European look, the slim look. 752 00:51:24,385 --> 00:51:29,477 Natural bodybuilding is a passion and a source of pride for its competitors, 753 00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:31,175 but it doesn't pay all the bills. 754 00:51:32,698 --> 00:51:35,266 While many athletes stay entrenched in fitness 755 00:51:35,309 --> 00:51:39,357 as personal trainers, nutritionists, or gym owners, 756 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,230 others have chosen occupations outside of the fitness industry. 757 00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:48,235 Rob Terry is a firefighter for the city of St. Petersburg, Florida. 758 00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:51,717 He usually spends long shifts on call at the firehouse. 759 00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:00,334 What's up, guys? 760 00:52:00,378 --> 00:52:02,162 I'd heard we hired a professional athlete 761 00:52:02,206 --> 00:52:04,904 and when I first saw him, I was like, "That's a big dude." 762 00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:08,037 So, it was kind of interesting and he came through here 763 00:52:08,081 --> 00:52:09,822 and I knew that we wanted him as part of this family. 764 00:52:09,865 --> 00:52:13,608 Since he has been here, everybody is really tuned into him 765 00:52:13,652 --> 00:52:15,958 and what he's doing and following him and supporting him 766 00:52:16,002 --> 00:52:18,396 and we're trying to watch what he's doing. 767 00:52:18,439 --> 00:52:22,313 And he's very dedicated to it and it's... It's fun to watch. 768 00:52:24,141 --> 00:52:25,794 Some hot sauce. 769 00:52:25,838 --> 00:52:27,579 I'll take... You know what, I'll take some hot sauce. 770 00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:30,756 One thing that I do with personnel when they come through is, 771 00:52:30,799 --> 00:52:35,195 I sit down and talk with them and try to find out what makes them tick, 772 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:40,374 inspire them, and motivate them, but I can't really inspire Rob. 773 00:52:40,418 --> 00:52:43,682 He... He's so disciplined with everything that he does, 774 00:52:43,725 --> 00:52:46,772 there's really not much that I can teach him on discipline. 775 00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:49,862 - Do a lot of other stations know that he's here? - Everyone knows. 776 00:52:49,905 --> 00:52:51,168 Yeah, everybody knows. 777 00:52:53,126 --> 00:52:55,346 I was talking to a friend of mine who works in Hillsborough County... 778 00:52:58,479 --> 00:52:59,959 ...and he was telling me how much weight he's gained and this and that. 779 00:53:00,002 --> 00:53:02,701 And he was like, "Well, I'm no Rob Terry, but..." 780 00:53:02,744 --> 00:53:05,486 I'm like, "How do you even know Rob Terry?" 781 00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,488 He eats his cereal with coffee. 782 00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:10,187 - I had a lot of questions about that. - Yeah. 783 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:13,407 Every morning just the whole thing of black coffee. 784 00:53:13,451 --> 00:53:16,715 - Yeah, pours black coffee in his cereal and stirs it up and... - It saves time, right? 785 00:53:16,758 --> 00:53:18,282 - Well, you're following the chicken stock... - Yes, yeah. 786 00:53:18,325 --> 00:53:20,936 - ...with coffee right now. - That's true. 787 00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:23,200 Go get them. 788 00:53:23,243 --> 00:53:24,723 Don't let the old man beat you, Rob. 789 00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:31,120 - I'll give it my best shot. 790 00:53:33,732 --> 00:53:36,822 Keeping a day job, it is difficult for us 791 00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:39,781 because, you know, if you wake up at00 a.m. 792 00:53:39,825 --> 00:53:42,741 to do an hour of the workout and 30 minutes of cardio, 793 00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:45,265 that's like the first six weeks of training. 794 00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:47,267 Who's to say you're not going to need a second training, 795 00:53:47,311 --> 00:53:50,052 or that you do that seven days a week with a newborn kid. 796 00:53:50,096 --> 00:53:54,535 Um, if I win a bodybuilding show in the Naturals, even if I do, you know, 797 00:53:54,579 --> 00:53:58,191 the major world championship, what am I winning, five, seven grand if I'm lucky. 798 00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:03,457 So, it's one of those real double-edged swords that what makes lasting pros 799 00:54:03,501 --> 00:54:06,155 is their ability to handle that type of stressor. 800 00:54:09,202 --> 00:54:11,639 Early in the year, I just went through a whole bunch of, you know, stuff. 801 00:54:11,683 --> 00:54:14,468 My dad passed away. My mother had passed the year prior. 802 00:54:14,512 --> 00:54:17,558 So, I was trying to, you know, deal with him 803 00:54:17,602 --> 00:54:18,733 because I was going back and forth. 804 00:54:18,777 --> 00:54:20,953 He lived in Philadelphia 805 00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:23,869 and I was just kind of helping care for him in the hospital, hospital and hospice. 806 00:54:23,912 --> 00:54:29,614 And after he passed away, being the oldest, I had to take care of all of his, 807 00:54:29,657 --> 00:54:33,313 you know, things that have to do when you die, obviously. 808 00:54:33,357 --> 00:54:37,752 So, there's a lot of stress. And then I was having to watch my kids full time 809 00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:39,928 and take them back and forth to school and go to work. 810 00:54:39,972 --> 00:54:43,410 I had to try to pick them up from school one day early 811 00:54:43,454 --> 00:54:47,196 and try to also get a funeral arrangement done and I wrecked my car. 812 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:51,157 I had a SUV wrecked. It was like everything was just kind of spiraling. 813 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,943 And then about a month later, after the funeral, I lost my job. 814 00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:57,598 So, it was like, "Wow, what is going on?" 815 00:54:57,642 --> 00:55:01,776 I just felt kind of spiritually attacked and everything in life that I thought was so important 816 00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:03,909 kind of seemed a little bit less important. 817 00:55:03,952 --> 00:55:06,694 And now that I have this opportunity with this job, 818 00:55:06,738 --> 00:55:11,960 I feel a lot more convicted to work a lot harder 819 00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:14,572 and to just realize that I'm very lucky, 820 00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:16,922 very blessed to have the things that I have 821 00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:20,099 and be able to be financially secure, 822 00:55:20,142 --> 00:55:22,580 'cause I'd never would even thought about competing, you know, 823 00:55:22,623 --> 00:55:25,409 in a competition coming up soon in two weeks. 824 00:55:25,452 --> 00:55:27,498 That was like the farthest thing from my mind. 825 00:55:27,541 --> 00:55:30,718 Even just going to the gym was... It was a struggle and challenge. 826 00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:34,200 But I'm just really shocked that I'm in this position. 827 00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:36,855 So, did my best to get in shape for the show, 828 00:55:36,898 --> 00:55:40,641 but right now, uh, first things first, going to work. 829 00:55:56,614 --> 00:55:58,267 Hello, ladies. Good morning. 830 00:55:59,530 --> 00:56:02,402 Uh, oops, let me put my hat back on. 831 00:56:02,446 --> 00:56:04,099 As you can tell, it's Halloween. 832 00:56:04,143 --> 00:56:06,188 - Hello. - Hi. 833 00:56:06,232 --> 00:56:09,583 And this is the temptation that I have to go through every single day. 834 00:56:09,627 --> 00:56:12,281 We actually dress like this every day. 835 00:56:12,325 --> 00:56:16,590 When you see him in his short sleeves and you see these muscles bulging out, 836 00:56:16,634 --> 00:56:20,855 it's like you got to go and then ask further exactly what it is that he's doing. 837 00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:23,292 Then he was eating all this strange food. 838 00:56:23,336 --> 00:56:26,295 So, we knew there was something behind all that. 839 00:56:26,339 --> 00:56:30,256 So, I'd get to see some of the other people that he's competing against 840 00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:32,693 and so, they get to see the caliber. 841 00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:36,436 And the fact that it's all natural, you know, it is a big deal, right? 842 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,006 The extent of someone that has a full-time job, that is technically challenging 843 00:56:41,049 --> 00:56:45,924 but still somehow finds time to compete at that level is not just impressive 844 00:56:45,967 --> 00:56:47,926 but it's also very inspirational, motivational. 845 00:56:54,323 --> 00:56:57,414 Is it difficult to combine bodybuilding, like, competing 846 00:56:57,457 --> 00:56:59,241 and also, you know, being a full-time agent? 847 00:56:59,285 --> 00:57:01,461 So, I mean, it is challenging. 848 00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:06,597 Um, I mean, sometimes I wish that I had a job like most of my fellow competitors do, 849 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,294 you know, in the gym where I'm in the gym all day 850 00:57:08,337 --> 00:57:11,079 and in between clients I can, you know, knock out, 851 00:57:11,123 --> 00:57:12,951 you know, my workout or whatever. 852 00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:18,043 But I worked cartels, which was... Which was exciting, exciting jobs. 853 00:57:18,086 --> 00:57:20,175 - Investi... Like investigation? - Yeah, investigation, yep. 854 00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:24,397 Uh, then I moved on to a gang violent crime squad. 855 00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:30,708 So, kidnappings, uh, murder-for-hire, uh, all that... Those type of violent gangs. 856 00:57:30,751 --> 00:57:32,144 It was my... Kind of my thing. 857 00:57:32,187 --> 00:57:36,714 I knew bodybuilders that worked blue-collar jobs, 858 00:57:36,757 --> 00:57:42,197 tracklayers, carpenters, plumbers. 859 00:57:42,241 --> 00:57:46,593 They worked 10 hours, 12 hours, and then you know what, 860 00:57:46,637 --> 00:57:50,858 they made their way to the gym and they trained like animals. 861 00:57:52,991 --> 00:57:56,647 When you take, you know, anabolic steroids or drugs, 862 00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:59,650 they're mainly taken so that it helps you recover quickly. 863 00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:02,653 You're putting something foreign in your body that is a recovery agent, 864 00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:05,830 so, you can continue to not only work out longer and harder, 865 00:58:05,873 --> 00:58:10,878 but it's helping you to heal up so you can recover from the muscle breakdown 866 00:58:10,922 --> 00:58:14,534 and then you can go ahead and workout again and work out heavier and stronger. 867 00:58:14,578 --> 00:58:18,538 And as a natural athlete, you don't have those type of things that you can use 868 00:58:18,582 --> 00:58:20,235 so, you have to be smart with your nutrition, 869 00:58:20,279 --> 00:58:24,022 your training, to where you choose a body part that, you know, 870 00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:27,329 you train it one day, but you got to give enough time to recover and get enough sleep. 871 00:58:30,376 --> 00:58:32,813 Half an inch to three-quarter of an inch on your arms today. 872 00:58:33,858 --> 00:58:38,210 Being a champion and holding the title requires constant maintenance 873 00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:40,299 both in and out of the gym. 874 00:58:42,388 --> 00:58:43,520 Oh, yeah, I feel that. 875 00:58:52,441 --> 00:58:56,576 Usually, when you're training with weight, towards like rep six to eight, 876 00:58:56,620 --> 00:59:00,275 you get that crazy burn, fat pump and everything else. 877 00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:04,453 With this, it starts from rep one, so it's as soon as you... 878 00:59:04,497 --> 00:59:06,804 You touch that and Chris says "Go", 879 00:59:06,847 --> 00:59:09,110 man, it's intense straight off the bat, you know what I mean? 880 00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:11,330 But, uh, it's all worth it. 881 00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:14,246 No pain no gain, right? 882 00:59:16,074 --> 00:59:17,945 The back and forth padding, the bicep and tricep, 883 00:59:17,989 --> 00:59:22,646 so that was a prime example of a loaded stretch both ways. 884 00:59:22,689 --> 00:59:25,126 So, he was getting the best of both worlds at the same time. 885 00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:28,129 So, I can tell Rob's central nervous system is really healthy. 886 00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:32,090 He can handle a lot more current than the normal person that starts on the machine. 887 00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:34,353 Sometimes there's a... There's a primer phase. 888 00:59:34,396 --> 00:59:37,443 I was able to skip the primer phase and take him right into training. 889 00:59:37,486 --> 00:59:42,013 So, uh, it was really impressive. I.. expected nothing less. 890 00:59:42,056 --> 00:59:44,363 keeping the blood flow, that's diff, uh... 891 00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:46,017 Is that different? 892 00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:49,194 There's no... A paper cut would be deadly right now, my friend. 893 00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:53,720 - Keep that paper away from me. - All right. 894 01:00:04,949 --> 01:00:07,778 So, this is just a pattern work using thermal imaging. 895 01:00:07,821 --> 01:00:10,650 So, sympathetic nervous system, parasympathetic. 896 01:00:10,694 --> 01:00:12,521 They both go like this all day long. 897 01:00:12,565 --> 01:00:15,089 What ends up happening is if one's high and it's always revved. 898 01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:17,309 That means he's not gonna heal like he should. 899 01:00:17,352 --> 01:00:21,792 To the center and to the left. 900 01:00:22,793 --> 01:00:25,143 Push it, push it, push it. To the center. 901 01:00:25,186 --> 01:00:29,147 Keeping him strong here will keep him strong rest of his life. 902 01:00:37,851 --> 01:00:39,331 Good, let's see what we got. 903 01:00:41,986 --> 01:00:45,163 Let's go do some scraping. Let's do it, the fun stuff. 904 01:00:51,952 --> 01:00:53,519 Which side you want to start? 905 01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:55,521 Ah, we'll just start with left side. 906 01:00:55,564 --> 01:00:56,391 Left side. 907 01:00:59,133 --> 01:01:00,961 It can be pretty painful and he knows that, you know, 908 01:01:01,005 --> 01:01:02,484 I don't want him to lighten up on me. 909 01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:06,750 We talked about that at the beginning, you know, we... We go, you know, so. Yeah. 910 01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:09,143 There were some people I got to, you know, even my... 911 01:01:09,187 --> 01:01:11,580 What I call my desk jockeys, I got to go light. 912 01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:13,626 They can't take the level of pain that he can, 913 01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:16,977 but the more that this is done, A, the easier it is, 914 01:01:17,021 --> 01:01:20,720 but the, B, you just get kinda used to it and by it's cool. 915 01:01:20,764 --> 01:01:21,634 There's release. 916 01:01:23,244 --> 01:01:25,507 Because with some people when I do, it lasts like 10 days. 917 01:01:25,551 --> 01:01:29,294 - They get like, well, I did your lat what, a couple of weeks ago? - Mm-hmm. 918 01:01:29,337 --> 01:01:36,388 That thing was magenta, fire-red, like real bad like, but he also heals quicker. 919 01:01:36,431 --> 01:01:40,697 Between his eating, between all the other stuff he's doing, he's recovering really fast. 920 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:44,048 People will eat like crap and that takes a lot longer. 921 01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:47,094 Sweatin' It 922 01:01:48,748 --> 01:01:49,618 You and me, both. 923 01:01:50,794 --> 01:01:52,360 I'm doing all the work here. 924 01:01:54,058 --> 01:01:54,885 All right. 925 01:01:56,364 --> 01:01:58,540 . 926 01:01:58,584 --> 01:02:00,673 - Holy snap! 927 01:02:03,894 --> 01:02:05,069 Yeah, look at that. 928 01:02:08,812 --> 01:02:15,775 Chiropractic is more of a mechanical, biomechanical balancing of muscles 929 01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:20,562 and joints, the spine, your facade as we see it. 930 01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:25,785 But really, that facade is held up by the structure behind it 931 01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:28,745 which is all of your cells, all of your organs 932 01:02:28,788 --> 01:02:33,837 and all of what makes that area of your life healthy. 933 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,058 And so, by me using the science that I learned, 934 01:02:38,102 --> 01:02:43,629 I am able to keep my cells functioning more optimally so that my facade, 935 01:02:43,672 --> 01:02:45,674 which is my physical body, 936 01:02:45,718 --> 01:02:51,202 can be used further down the road without running out of gas. 937 01:02:51,245 --> 01:02:53,508 So, that tells me there's something going on. 938 01:02:53,552 --> 01:02:56,381 That you're probably tighter from this side, okay? 939 01:02:56,424 --> 01:02:58,687 There's something happening in here we got to work on. 940 01:02:58,731 --> 01:03:01,734 So, that way, you are making sure you're standing completely upright. 941 01:03:01,778 --> 01:03:04,563 Everything else from this view looks perfect. 942 01:03:04,606 --> 01:03:07,479 You... You have to maintain your facade which are... 943 01:03:07,522 --> 01:03:12,310 Is your body from the internal cellular level and when you can... 944 01:03:12,353 --> 01:03:15,617 Can maintain that inner workings, 945 01:03:15,661 --> 01:03:19,708 you can continue to advance and enhance your physique. 946 01:03:19,752 --> 01:03:21,406 We call it mature muscle. 947 01:03:21,449 --> 01:03:25,192 And muscularity comes mainly from, uh, age. 948 01:03:25,236 --> 01:03:28,848 If you have that muscularity when you flex, you definitely see it come out. 949 01:03:28,892 --> 01:03:34,332 The conditioning side of that muscularity is when you diet and you train long enough 950 01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:37,857 that you're actually making your skin thin enough 951 01:03:37,901 --> 01:03:40,991 to where you're able to see those extra striations coming out. 952 01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:44,908 So, you can see some older guys that may have more muscularity, 953 01:03:44,951 --> 01:03:48,563 but then if the younger guy has more conditioning and you see stuff popping out, 954 01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,871 it'll make them look more muscular and you see more definition. 955 01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:53,873 So, like you should be able to see like an anatomy chart. 956 01:03:53,917 --> 01:03:55,440 That's kind of how I would look at it. 957 01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:57,442 You're trying your best to look like an anatomy chart. 958 01:03:57,485 --> 01:04:00,575 I think that's the kind of distinction between the two. 959 01:04:00,619 --> 01:04:03,230 Over time, the body likes... Will adapt, right? 960 01:04:03,274 --> 01:04:06,973 And epigenetics, you're able to actually control your genetics 961 01:04:07,017 --> 01:04:10,150 to a point by your environment and your stimulus. 962 01:04:10,194 --> 01:04:12,631 And if you consistently stimulate the muscles 963 01:04:12,674 --> 01:04:15,503 and they get used to working out often, 964 01:04:15,547 --> 01:04:18,855 then over time, you get those larger mature muscles 965 01:04:18,898 --> 01:04:21,945 that, um, is usually a little bit older group 966 01:04:21,988 --> 01:04:23,424 that you'll see in the natural world 967 01:04:23,468 --> 01:04:26,384 that really come out because of the muscle maturity. 968 01:04:26,427 --> 01:04:32,999 And it's just that constant, uh, consistent work that they put in year after year after year. 969 01:04:33,043 --> 01:04:37,308 And in Rob's case the, you know, five to seven days a week, 970 01:04:37,351 --> 01:04:39,266 pretty much his whole life, you know, 971 01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:42,835 working out at his level and being blessed with some good genetics and the... 972 01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:45,751 And the right training and nutrition, he's been able to pull it off. 973 01:04:49,537 --> 01:04:53,628 Three hundred grams of this. This is every day. 974 01:04:55,369 --> 01:04:57,589 As competition draws closer, 975 01:04:57,632 --> 01:05:01,245 athletes begin dropping fat by restricting and adjusting their diets 976 01:05:01,288 --> 01:05:03,638 to visually enhance look and size of the muscle. 977 01:05:03,682 --> 01:05:05,118 2 Grams off. 978 01:05:08,426 --> 01:05:10,384 Where I am right now with my prep, 979 01:05:10,428 --> 01:05:13,518 I would just sparingly space my meals throughout the day 980 01:05:13,561 --> 01:05:16,564 because I have such an early start, you got to think it's gonna be a long day. 981 01:05:16,608 --> 01:05:19,219 From- 00 a.m. to potentially- 00 p.m. 982 01:05:19,263 --> 01:05:21,787 or even later, depending on when we have calls, 983 01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:25,138 I just need to space out my food throughout the day. 984 01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:28,402 Tomorrow is when that happens. 985 01:05:32,276 --> 01:05:37,977 For now, we keep it about eight meals a day. 986 01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,023 Three weeks before a show, 987 01:05:41,546 --> 01:05:45,724 then have to eliminate some things out. 988 01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:53,645 So, I'd have chicken with, uh, less condiments. 989 01:05:59,085 --> 01:06:01,914 You have to have a calorie surplus, not deficit. 990 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:05,004 So, you have to eat enough calories and get the right macronutrients 991 01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:07,050 so, you're building muscle, getting enough protein, 992 01:06:07,093 --> 01:06:10,227 but you're also having enough carbohydrates and fats to cushion your muscles, 993 01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:13,273 cushion your tendons, so when you're working heavy, you know, you're not getting injured. 994 01:06:19,758 --> 01:06:24,937 In bodybuilding, you have genetics, you have work, dieting, and chemicals. 995 01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:26,983 Which is the most important in your opinion? 996 01:06:28,506 --> 01:06:31,639 It is the food. You ask any professional bodybuilder 997 01:06:31,683 --> 01:06:34,251 from Jay Cutler to Ronnie Coleman to Dexter Jackson to Phil Heath, 998 01:06:34,294 --> 01:06:36,905 they'll all tell you... Everyone will tell you the same thing, it's the food. 999 01:06:38,298 --> 01:06:41,867 Genetic is number one. Okay, genetics is number one. 1000 01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:47,699 I don't care who you are or how hard you train, I mean, the genetics is supreme. 1001 01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:52,704 Hard work, genetics have a huge, probably one and two over anything 1002 01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:54,401 because a lot of people are gonna just take drugs 1003 01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,186 and still look like shit, you know what I mean? 1004 01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:59,058 So, you do need the hard work and you definitely need the genetics. 1005 01:06:59,102 --> 01:07:02,148 So then comes the... Then comes probably the drug part. 1006 01:07:02,192 --> 01:07:06,370 Everyone always says it's, you know, 80-percent nutrition, 20-percent training 1007 01:07:06,413 --> 01:07:08,024 and I always kind of go against that 1008 01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:09,808 and I say it's a hundred percent mental 1009 01:07:09,851 --> 01:07:12,550 because I've seen people who are not genetically gifted individuals 1010 01:07:12,593 --> 01:07:15,074 do some pretty incredible things with their body. 1011 01:07:15,118 --> 01:07:17,468 And I feel like it really just comes down to discipline. 1012 01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,687 What makes lasting pros isn't genetics. 1013 01:07:19,731 --> 01:07:22,864 The most important piece of bodybuilding is a frame of mind 1014 01:07:22,908 --> 01:07:26,129 and the frame of mind needs to be on season, off season, 1015 01:07:26,172 --> 01:07:29,306 at the show, after the show, on social media. 1016 01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:33,005 Like all of these things will make you the best bodybuilder. 1017 01:08:32,325 --> 01:08:35,154 Whatever he hits, he destroys. 1018 01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:38,505 Can you kind of explain the, uh, bodybuilding in a nutshell, 1019 01:08:38,549 --> 01:08:41,900 meaning that the cycle leading up to the stage? 1020 01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:45,773 Meaning that you have to bulk up, then you have to cut, deplete yourself. 1021 01:08:45,817 --> 01:08:47,775 Anytime you're getting ready for a show, 1022 01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:51,257 what you want to do is take an off period, uh, so you can put on muscle. 1023 01:08:51,301 --> 01:08:56,349 And during that time, that 12 weeks, you'll raise your cardio periodically, 1024 01:08:56,393 --> 01:08:58,699 you'll cut the calories periodically 1025 01:08:58,743 --> 01:09:04,531 and then just keep trying to recover and retain all the muscle you possibly have 1026 01:09:04,575 --> 01:09:08,579 because at that stage, it's hard to put on muscle because you're in a deficit. 1027 01:09:08,622 --> 01:09:12,409 So, especially for the natural bodybuilders, it's the toughest thing in the world. 1028 01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:17,588 I'm drinking my two gallons of water, 1029 01:09:17,631 --> 01:09:20,721 maybe the day before I'll go to maybe a gallon and three-quarters, 1030 01:09:20,765 --> 01:09:24,116 um, may be the lowest, a gallon and a half, 1031 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,813 but I don't really cut all my water, 1032 01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,599 where before, I used to do all those different experiments. 1033 01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:31,210 Some people want to be very, very, very cut. 1034 01:09:31,254 --> 01:09:33,691 Some people want to have a little more size, right? 1035 01:09:33,734 --> 01:09:38,696 So, the more cut you try to get, the less of a size you will have. 1036 01:09:41,655 --> 01:09:45,964 Keeping in mind, I'm pretty much depleted right now. 1037 01:09:46,007 --> 01:09:51,448 Yeah, so, I'll start peaking tomorrow. 1038 01:09:51,491 --> 01:09:54,015 Tomorrow I do my last cardio in the afternoon, 1039 01:09:54,059 --> 01:10:00,108 then boom, try to fill up, get ready for Saturday. 1040 01:10:07,072 --> 01:10:12,208 So, right now, as you can see me packing, uh, getting ready for States. 1041 01:10:12,251 --> 01:10:14,601 Flight's leaving tomorrow morning. 1042 01:10:14,645 --> 01:10:19,258 So, this... This is like just a little stuff that I'm taking with me. 1043 01:10:56,382 --> 01:11:00,473 The competitors arrive to Vegas tired, exhausted, 1044 01:11:00,517 --> 01:11:03,302 depleted of water and hungry for victory. 1045 01:11:03,346 --> 01:11:05,609 They check into the hotel rooms and wait. 1046 01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:19,971 The staff prepare pavilion 11 at the Rio Hotel & Casino 1047 01:11:20,014 --> 01:11:22,147 for the next two days of the competitions. 1048 01:11:29,981 --> 01:11:36,640 It's difficult not to compare PNBA's Natural Olympia to the IFBB's Mr. Olympia. 1049 01:11:36,683 --> 01:11:39,120 Aside from sharing similar names, 1050 01:11:39,164 --> 01:11:43,473 both competitions represent the best in each league, the top of the mountain. 1051 01:11:46,911 --> 01:11:50,306 But considering the production that goes into the Mr. Olympia contest, 1052 01:11:50,349 --> 01:11:53,744 it's evident that PNBA has a long way to go 1053 01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:56,921 if they eventually want to catch up the popularity and scale. 1054 01:11:58,705 --> 01:12:01,012 The PNBA has a big roster of competitors, 1055 01:12:01,055 --> 01:12:04,711 but almost no fans aside from family members and friends. 1056 01:12:05,799 --> 01:12:09,281 The Natural Olympia top winner gets $5000, 1057 01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:13,459 which is roughly one percent of Mr. Olympia's $400,000 prize money. 1058 01:12:13,503 --> 01:12:15,853 I wish everybody comes and works with us. 1059 01:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,898 All the other natural organizations, 1060 01:12:17,942 --> 01:12:20,161 I want them to be close with us and work together. 1061 01:12:20,205 --> 01:12:25,341 I... I'd like to see that because that way no one can deny natural bodybuilding. 1062 01:12:25,384 --> 01:12:26,864 But we don't have the sponsors. 1063 01:12:26,907 --> 01:12:29,301 But if we all unite and work together, 1064 01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:32,086 INBA, PNBA will always grow and become better. 1065 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:35,612 You should marry a federation that marries the idea 1066 01:12:35,655 --> 01:12:37,744 that you've hit their judging criteria. 1067 01:12:37,788 --> 01:12:42,314 And as much as we want to admit that bodybuilding is a very, um, subjective sport, 1068 01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:46,144 the subjectivity between federations is also a very subjective thing. 1069 01:12:46,187 --> 01:12:49,626 I married the federation that treated me as an athlete the best 1070 01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:52,237 and I married the mentality of natural bodybuilding. 1071 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,110 For me, I believe that any athlete that really wants to push themselves 1072 01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:57,590 in terms of their boundaries 1073 01:12:57,634 --> 01:13:00,071 and really stick to the ethos of, 1074 01:13:00,114 --> 01:13:02,247 "Look, I don't care how many people say it's a lie. 1075 01:13:02,290 --> 01:13:05,293 I'll take a blood test. I'll take a hair test. I'll take a urine test. 1076 01:13:05,337 --> 01:13:09,428 I'll take whatever test you want to prove that I'm natural," the INBA was it for me. 1077 01:13:09,472 --> 01:13:13,301 So, every show that I participate in, 1078 01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:17,480 if I am selected and even shows that I am at, 1079 01:13:17,523 --> 01:13:22,876 even if I am not participating, I am eligible to be selected to be drug tested. 1080 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,705 We do in season and out of season testing. 1081 01:13:25,749 --> 01:13:29,927 No other natural organization does that. Only INBA, PNBA does that. 1082 01:13:31,668 --> 01:13:34,888 So, every year, - W.A.D. - A comes up with the new standards. 1083 01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:40,067 So, what are the banned substances and the INBA, PNBA test their athletes. 1084 01:13:40,111 --> 01:13:42,461 It is pretty different from show to show. 1085 01:13:42,505 --> 01:13:45,682 They can either do it before registration, 1086 01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:47,771 whereas you're registering they'll say, 1087 01:13:47,814 --> 01:13:50,469 "Okay, we're gonna go to the bathroom and we're going to do an A&D sample 1088 01:13:50,513 --> 01:13:53,429 and they'll have a, you know, a representative from the federation 1089 01:13:53,472 --> 01:13:57,433 that'll be there in the bathroom watching you pee into a cup 1090 01:13:57,476 --> 01:14:00,218 and, you know, you fill out the whole form, the... 1091 01:14:00,261 --> 01:14:03,787 The form that's for the W.A.D.A compliancy that's going to go to the labs. 1092 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:09,053 We have two different labs, and, um, once those are turned in, you know, 1093 01:14:09,096 --> 01:14:11,490 you'll get your results back and, hopefully, you pass. 1094 01:14:17,191 --> 01:14:19,150 - I'll start with you. 1095 01:14:21,631 --> 01:14:23,676 You don't want to fail a test in this organization 1096 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,591 because of social media these days. 1097 01:14:25,635 --> 01:14:28,028 There's something called "The Wall of Shame." 1098 01:14:28,072 --> 01:14:30,814 And you are posted on the Wall of Shame. 1099 01:14:30,857 --> 01:14:33,643 You are banned from competing in this organization 1100 01:14:33,686 --> 01:14:36,036 and it's out there for everybody to see. 1101 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,648 So, you can come to our website and you can see exactly if somebody failed, 1102 01:14:38,691 --> 01:14:41,346 banned for life, boom, boom, boom, here it is, everything it's all about it. 1103 01:14:41,389 --> 01:14:45,959 Guys that are doing substances that are taking steroids, 1104 01:14:46,003 --> 01:14:48,396 they're not gonna give credit to the natural guys. 1105 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:52,400 They don't want to because they want everybody to believe that that is the way, 1106 01:14:52,444 --> 01:14:54,185 that they are doing it naturally. 1107 01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:58,058 But don't come into my world, not give me credit 1108 01:14:58,102 --> 01:15:02,149 and then say you're natural because then I don't respect you either. 1109 01:15:02,193 --> 01:15:04,151 I can't respect somebody that's lying. 1110 01:15:04,195 --> 01:15:06,284 Is it possible to beat the test? 1111 01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:11,158 I'm glad that we use a urine test, I will say, uh, because that's a pure system. 1112 01:15:11,202 --> 01:15:15,728 I would... I would... you know, but from the competitors' side, 1113 01:15:15,772 --> 01:15:18,035 if they were prepared, um, certainly, they could beat it. 1114 01:15:18,078 --> 01:15:24,607 There really isn't, um, a way to really prove that someone is lifetime natural, 1115 01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:27,958 if that's your question, or if they were on five or ten years ago. 1116 01:15:28,001 --> 01:15:32,789 Yeah, but if we get back to Rob Terry, personal opinion is that 1117 01:15:32,832 --> 01:15:36,009 there would be some parameters if he was on the steroids 1118 01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:41,928 that, uh, would've been needed to, you know, build size, if that's what got him big. 1119 01:15:41,972 --> 01:15:43,713 And there would be some... 1120 01:15:43,756 --> 01:15:47,586 Some effects that others might have been able to erase over time 1121 01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:49,762 that it'd be tough for a Rob Terry. 1122 01:15:49,806 --> 01:15:55,986 Again, in these natural shows, there's a lot of guys who did steroids for years, 1123 01:15:56,029 --> 01:16:01,034 then come off, and if they're off for five, six years, "I'm natural." 1124 01:16:01,078 --> 01:16:03,863 To me, you're natural if you've never taken anything. 1125 01:16:03,907 --> 01:16:05,735 The testing is... Is a joke. 1126 01:16:05,778 --> 01:16:08,738 I go back to what I'd said a few minutes ago, everybody's taken it. 1127 01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:26,146 You going to say goodbye? Daddy is going to the gym. 1128 01:16:26,190 --> 01:16:28,322 - Okay, I love you. - I love you. 1129 01:16:28,366 --> 01:16:29,367 - Have fun. - Bye. 1130 01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:58,657 With one day before the main competition, 1131 01:16:58,701 --> 01:17:02,052 the athletes take advantage of their time with a final workout. 1132 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:14,717 At such low body-fat percentage, they use lighter weights to prevent injury. 1133 01:17:23,464 --> 01:17:26,729 Staying relaxed, yet, mentally prepared is equally important. 1134 01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:32,082 Stress can make the body unpredictable and have a drastic impact on placings. 1135 01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:56,672 While the other professional athletes get ready for tomorrow's show, 1136 01:17:56,715 --> 01:18:00,806 Adrian shocks everyone with a decision to compete on an amateur stage 1137 01:18:00,850 --> 01:18:04,462 for the last time, before his pro debut tomorrow. 1138 01:18:04,505 --> 01:18:08,335 Um, I'm going to be competing as a amateur, 1139 01:18:08,379 --> 01:18:11,861 uh, my fifth show so far this year, 1140 01:18:11,904 --> 01:18:13,993 which is a little bit of a challenge, 1141 01:18:14,037 --> 01:18:17,736 but, you know, I'm kind of enjoying the challenge. 1142 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:21,000 You've never seen someone go and win an amateur Olympia, 1143 01:18:21,044 --> 01:18:24,961 like cleaning the whole house, meaning you winning your division and other division 1144 01:18:25,004 --> 01:18:28,007 and you're against everybody else in all their divisions 1145 01:18:28,051 --> 01:18:30,793 and then the next day go and... And do it in pros. 1146 01:18:30,836 --> 01:18:32,708 Like you normally win, 1147 01:18:32,751 --> 01:18:36,494 then you get invited to go to pros and then years later, you do that. 1148 01:18:36,537 --> 01:18:39,584 I mean, he's really gonna do this back to back. 1149 01:18:39,627 --> 01:18:45,982 I hear you say these times. Let's keep it under wraps. You got time, man. 1150 01:18:49,289 --> 01:18:53,554 Now, there's amateurs that win PNBA pro qualification quite often, 1151 01:18:53,598 --> 01:18:56,209 but that type of athlete doesn't want to be pro. 1152 01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:57,689 They want to compete whenever they want, 1153 01:18:57,733 --> 01:18:59,865 wherever they want, they just want to remain amateur. 1154 01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:03,913 It's crazy. I mean, look at Adrian, all these years, he's been an amateur athlete. 1155 01:19:03,956 --> 01:19:07,873 It's... It's a mindset. You have to be ready and it's... 1156 01:19:07,917 --> 01:19:10,963 There's no going back, really, I mean, once you turn professional. 1157 01:19:13,574 --> 01:19:18,318 This means Adrian will have to be in peak condition for two nights in a row, 1158 01:19:18,362 --> 01:19:22,758 a delicate process that involves limiting your water and food intake 1159 01:19:22,801 --> 01:19:25,064 to be at a very low body fat percentage. 1160 01:19:25,108 --> 01:19:28,372 This process is grueling to do for one evening. 1161 01:19:28,415 --> 01:19:30,853 Doing it for the entire weekend could be dangerous. 1162 01:19:38,164 --> 01:19:40,645 You know, two days out from the show, you look really skinny, 1163 01:19:40,688 --> 01:19:43,039 you know, kind of like stringy, if you will. 1164 01:19:43,082 --> 01:19:45,955 If you front-load then you'll... At the beginning of the week, you'll put a lot of carbs 1165 01:19:45,998 --> 01:19:48,392 and then you'll kind of cycle them down and still try... 1166 01:19:48,435 --> 01:19:50,611 And your muscles would be fuller at the end of the week. 1167 01:19:50,655 --> 01:19:53,789 If you deplete and then back load, then you're going... 1168 01:19:53,832 --> 01:19:55,791 You're gone from basically nothing 1169 01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,010 and at the end, you're throwing them all in to kind of fill out the muscle. 1170 01:19:58,054 --> 01:20:01,361 Like a peak week can't fix a bad prep, but a peak week can ruin them. 1171 01:20:01,405 --> 01:20:02,580 From Italy. 1172 01:20:04,843 --> 01:20:07,019 We got a repeat champion here in the gold. 1173 01:20:07,977 --> 01:20:11,894 Winner of the Men's Open Natural Bodybuilding for the Natural Olympia... 1174 01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:16,594 Adrian establishes his dominance in the amateur division once again 1175 01:20:16,637 --> 01:20:18,465 with another first-place victory. 1176 01:20:20,903 --> 01:20:23,949 Some may call it a selfish victory as he has been a pro caliber athlete for a while 1177 01:20:23,993 --> 01:20:26,473 and, yet, he feels satisfied. 1178 01:20:26,517 --> 01:20:31,652 But tomorrow, another battle is looming and this time against the big guys. 1179 01:20:34,612 --> 01:20:37,876 It is the best a body's gonna look right on stage 1180 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,270 and it's the worst the person feels. 1181 01:20:40,313 --> 01:20:42,707 And it's the most unhealthy as well. 1182 01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:45,666 The water depletion and all those things and playing with it 1183 01:20:45,710 --> 01:20:47,843 and playing with your carbohydrates and... 1184 01:20:47,886 --> 01:20:52,108 And toying with how your body functions off of insulin and all that kind of stuff, 1185 01:20:52,151 --> 01:20:54,893 it's... It's a crazy thing to look that beautiful... 1186 01:20:54,937 --> 01:20:56,939 - Right. - ...for a split second. 1187 01:20:56,982 --> 01:20:59,898 You really take your body to a place that it's uncomfortable 1188 01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:01,378 and where it really shouldn't be, 1189 01:21:01,421 --> 01:21:03,815 kind of how I was for the last five days, for instance. 1190 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,992 I mean, hormones are completely out of whack, I'm cold all the time, 1191 01:21:07,036 --> 01:21:10,691 my nails are blue, everything is messed up, you know, 1192 01:21:10,735 --> 01:21:12,868 and you're not supposed to take your body to those places. 1193 01:21:16,349 --> 01:21:20,788 All right, we have our Pro Men's Open Bodybuilding, 1194 01:21:20,832 --> 01:21:23,139 what everybody's been waiting for. 1195 01:21:27,012 --> 01:21:31,016 He's a serious threat in this lineup to Rob Terry's title. 1196 01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,498 His name is Christopher Oketch. Christopher. 1197 01:21:34,541 --> 01:21:39,895 Today, I'm feeling very, very good, feeling happy and ready for tomorrow. 1198 01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:44,421 Tomorrow's gonna be... It's gonna be a fight. It's gonna be a big fight. 1199 01:21:44,464 --> 01:21:48,468 Another serious threat to Rob Terry's Natural Olympia title 1200 01:21:48,512 --> 01:21:52,298 comes by the way of Philip Ricardo, Jr. 1201 01:21:52,342 --> 01:21:55,475 I know that in order to stay, you know, within striking distance 1202 01:21:55,519 --> 01:21:58,261 and to be healthy and live a long healthy lifestyle, 1203 01:21:58,304 --> 01:22:00,089 which is what natural bodybuilding is all about 1204 01:22:00,132 --> 01:22:02,004 and what the PNBA, INBA is about, 1205 01:22:02,047 --> 01:22:04,920 I know that I need to just stay within striking range 1206 01:22:04,963 --> 01:22:06,617 just in case these opportunities come up, 1207 01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:09,533 like competing against the best in the world here, so. 1208 01:22:09,576 --> 01:22:13,232 I mean, this is the deepest lineup of pro men bodybuilders 1209 01:22:13,276 --> 01:22:15,321 that the Natural Olympia has seen 1210 01:22:15,365 --> 01:22:17,584 in the seven years that I've been covering the show. 1211 01:22:17,628 --> 01:22:19,760 So, now I ask Rob Terry, 1212 01:22:19,804 --> 01:22:23,590 what kind of package you're bringing this year to compete with these new names? 1213 01:22:23,634 --> 01:22:26,332 I'm here because I set a challenge to myself. 1214 01:22:26,376 --> 01:22:30,075 This means everything. This is the Natural Olympia. 1215 01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:34,688 I am the reigning, defending, Natural Mr. Olympia Champion. 1216 01:22:34,732 --> 01:22:36,255 "Reigning, defending". 1217 01:22:36,299 --> 01:22:40,433 And I am gonna do everything that I can to maintain that 1218 01:22:40,477 --> 01:22:45,177 and I will put on a fight with every single one of you tomorrow. 1219 01:22:45,221 --> 01:22:48,441 So, you guys can file off stage now. Thanks, guys. 1220 01:23:00,149 --> 01:23:03,326 We notice that Adrian is absent during the press conference. 1221 01:23:07,373 --> 01:23:11,421 We try to check in on him, but his reply was brief. 1222 01:23:19,907 --> 01:23:23,955 Heavenly Father, thank You for this beautiful Saturday morning, 1223 01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:29,613 this event that's coming up for us that you've just blessed us with, 1224 01:23:29,656 --> 01:23:34,705 being here is a very special day no matter what the outcome is, 1225 01:23:34,748 --> 01:23:37,186 celebrating together, Father. 1226 01:23:37,229 --> 01:23:39,971 We're so grateful to have this beautiful team for me 1227 01:23:40,015 --> 01:23:43,061 and that You blessed us to continue this great relationship. 1228 01:23:43,105 --> 01:23:46,108 And, Father, we just are looking forward to a special day 1229 01:23:46,151 --> 01:23:49,981 and a special evening and the rest of our time here in Las Vegas. 1230 01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:53,680 And just, thank You, for just being You, Father. 1231 01:23:53,724 --> 01:23:58,555 You are just so great, awesome and just the God of the universe and we love you. 1232 01:23:58,598 --> 01:24:01,558 - In Jesus' Holy Name we pray. Amen. - Amen. 1233 01:24:01,601 --> 01:24:02,820 You ready for this? 1234 01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:05,866 - He's born ready. - You're ready for this, right, Mason? 1235 01:24:07,085 --> 01:24:09,218 You got your little firetruck; you got your snacks. 1236 01:24:09,261 --> 01:24:10,175 - Come on. - Got the food. 1237 01:24:10,219 --> 01:24:11,089 Let's do this. 1238 01:24:50,607 --> 01:24:55,046 As the men apply tan to look defined under the bright lights of the stage, 1239 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:58,005 it's show time for Alondra and Tiffany. 1240 01:25:01,748 --> 01:25:04,273 come on out, sweeties. 1241 01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:09,626 . 1242 01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:10,888 USA. 1243 01:25:10,931 --> 01:25:15,153 234, , Netherlands. 1244 01:25:15,197 --> 01:25:18,852 385, , USA. 1245 01:25:18,896 --> 01:25:22,334 356, Alondra Chatman, USA. 1246 01:25:22,378 --> 01:25:26,773 257, Tiffany Stosich, USA. 1247 01:25:26,817 --> 01:25:33,563 Welcome to the stage, ladies. Welcome to the Natural Olympia. 1248 01:25:40,091 --> 01:25:42,702 The best in the world, ladies and gentlemen, are right here in... 1249 01:25:42,746 --> 01:25:47,751 For all of the judging, there is a judging criteria that is specific to the INBA PNBA. 1250 01:25:47,794 --> 01:25:51,885 You do muscularity, um, conditioning and symmetry. 1251 01:25:51,929 --> 01:25:54,584 Um, so, they're all judged in two different rounds. 1252 01:25:54,627 --> 01:25:57,456 Basically, their first round is when you do your quarter turns. 1253 01:25:57,500 --> 01:25:59,197 So, when you're doing your quarter turn to your right, quarter turn right, 1254 01:25:59,241 --> 01:26:01,068 that's when they look at your balance 1255 01:26:01,112 --> 01:26:04,028 to see if your upper body and a lower... Your lower body, you know, 1256 01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:06,552 are balanced and look... I mean, match up. 1257 01:26:06,596 --> 01:26:09,120 If you have skinny legs then you're probably going to get marked down. 1258 01:26:09,164 --> 01:26:13,603 So, they give you certain poses that will help you judge those different criteria. 1259 01:26:13,646 --> 01:26:16,083 And a lot of times, to be honest with you, 1260 01:26:16,127 --> 01:26:19,739 is not just about that because you're not always doing a point system, 1261 01:26:19,783 --> 01:26:22,133 but it's who's the best physique on stage. 1262 01:26:26,964 --> 01:26:28,313 Well, then turn to your right. 1263 01:26:31,273 --> 01:26:33,840 All right, I'm gonna call out the top five ladies. 1264 01:26:33,884 --> 01:26:37,279 I want to congratulate all of you for gracing the Natural Olympia stage. 1265 01:26:37,322 --> 01:26:39,106 It's very, very difficult. 1266 01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:45,330 You're all top athletes in the world, here at the Natural Olympia. 1267 01:26:45,374 --> 01:26:48,159 257, Tiffany Stosich, USA. 1268 01:26:48,203 --> 01:26:52,642 Both Tiffany and Alondra are called out as two of the top five finishers. 1269 01:26:54,948 --> 01:26:57,212 Tiffany takes home fifth place. 1270 01:26:58,125 --> 01:27:00,606 State USA. 1271 01:27:00,650 --> 01:27:05,045 As the rest of the medals are awarded, Alondra is the last woman standing. 1272 01:27:05,089 --> 01:27:08,832 227, Aisha Kimball, USA. 1273 01:27:11,617 --> 01:27:16,622 Your winner, gold medal, 1274 01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:18,755 $5000 cash prize, 1275 01:27:18,798 --> 01:27:23,238 number 356 Alondra Chatman USA, 1276 01:27:23,281 --> 01:27:26,415 Pro Figure Open Natural Olympia. 1277 01:27:35,641 --> 01:27:38,209 A couple, uh, of gold medals here today, 1278 01:27:38,253 --> 01:27:43,562 so, one for Evening Gown and one for Pro Figure Open, so, amazing. 1279 01:27:43,606 --> 01:27:47,044 Twenty-two ladies on stage, a lot of good competition. 1280 01:27:47,087 --> 01:27:52,223 Um, I've been training hard all year for this and we did it. 1281 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:55,139 We made it. First place, so, oh, my God! 1282 01:27:55,182 --> 01:27:57,750 I am... I don't even have words. 1283 01:28:06,672 --> 01:28:09,632 Without any notice, Adrian is spotted backstage again 1284 01:28:09,675 --> 01:28:14,114 fixing his tan in the final moments before the competition. 1285 01:28:14,158 --> 01:28:16,900 With a change of heart, he's finally ready. 1286 01:28:16,943 --> 01:28:20,164 He decided to step on a stage against the best in the world. 1287 01:28:21,121 --> 01:28:24,299 Yesterday, I was very like, like going, 1288 01:28:24,342 --> 01:28:28,390 I'm nervous and emotional and like, "Oh, my God! You know, am I gonna win again? 1289 01:28:28,433 --> 01:28:30,479 Am I... you know, what's... What's going to happen?" Right? 1290 01:28:30,522 --> 01:28:34,352 So, I thought I wasn't gonna do today, but then I said, 1291 01:28:34,396 --> 01:28:36,441 "You know, something, I need to be here. 1292 01:28:36,485 --> 01:28:41,054 I'm here and, uh, might as well just go all out 1293 01:28:41,098 --> 01:28:45,798 and, uh, go with the big guys and just see what I'm made of," you know. 1294 01:28:45,842 --> 01:28:49,367 I mean, I won everything, so what else am I gonna do, you know? 1295 01:28:49,411 --> 01:28:53,545 I can go back and do that again, or I can go to the next level like, right? 1296 01:28:53,589 --> 01:28:56,548 So, this is the next level for me. So, here I am. 1297 01:28:56,592 --> 01:28:57,984 - Good to see you. How have you been? - Good to see you, man. 1298 01:28:58,028 --> 01:28:59,029 - How are you doing? - You too. Good. 1299 01:28:59,072 --> 01:29:00,813 - Really good. - How you feeling? 1300 01:29:00,857 --> 01:29:01,945 - How is it going, man? - Going well. Will. Very nice to meet you. 1301 01:29:01,988 --> 01:29:02,989 So, like, how are you feeling today? 1302 01:29:03,033 --> 01:29:05,122 I feel really good, you know. 1303 01:29:05,165 --> 01:29:10,736 I feel... like I say that the battle against myself for 16 weeks was a success. 1304 01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:14,349 Um, that's something I can control every single day, every single minute. 1305 01:29:14,392 --> 01:29:16,655 Um, I just feel I did the best I can. 1306 01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:21,051 - Today is... is a... I'm... I'm... I'm up against 30 guys. - Thirty guys. 1307 01:29:21,094 --> 01:29:25,534 I want to say that's one of the biggest natural bodybuilding lineups 1308 01:29:25,577 --> 01:29:28,363 - that this organization might have ever had. - Right. 1309 01:29:28,406 --> 01:29:32,323 Um, that's what I've been told, so it... 1310 01:29:32,367 --> 01:29:37,850 It's gonna be a huge battle from... From start to finish and when we get up there, 1311 01:29:37,894 --> 01:29:39,635 you know, we're all gonna have to work. 1312 01:29:39,678 --> 01:29:41,114 Well, listen. Good luck with everything. 1313 01:29:41,158 --> 01:29:43,900 Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. 1314 01:30:25,289 --> 01:30:27,030 - Rob, right here. - Thank you. 1315 01:30:29,424 --> 01:30:30,468 Rob Terry, here. 1316 01:30:30,512 --> 01:30:32,949 - 171. - Right here. 1317 01:30:34,516 --> 01:30:38,171 Ooh. Let's fucking go. Let's do this. 1318 01:30:45,265 --> 01:30:48,268 Matt Porosky, USA. 1319 01:30:48,312 --> 01:30:51,707 142, Jonas Notter, Germany. 1320 01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:56,320 347, Christopher Oketch, Kenya. 1321 01:31:10,029 --> 01:31:14,773 345, Robert Terry, USA. 1322 01:31:14,817 --> 01:31:18,603 Ladies and gentlemen, this is your PNBA league, 1323 01:31:18,647 --> 01:31:23,869 Pro Men's Open Natural Bodybuilding. 1324 01:31:23,913 --> 01:31:25,131 - Let's rock. 1325 01:31:25,175 --> 01:31:26,611 All right, gentlemen, just listen. 1326 01:31:26,655 --> 01:31:28,961 Can we make sure the judges can see your number? 1327 01:31:29,005 --> 01:31:32,487 118, if you could lead those gentlemen to the blue line, please. 1328 01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:33,923 Follow him off, gentlemen. 1329 01:31:33,966 --> 01:31:36,578 Behind the blue line, the blue line, my friend. 1330 01:31:40,625 --> 01:31:42,932 Gentlemen, step back from the red carpet, please. 1331 01:31:48,285 --> 01:31:49,678 Looking good, baby. 1332 01:32:35,854 --> 01:32:39,902 Gentlemen, if I call your name and number, you are in the top five. 1333 01:32:39,945 --> 01:32:43,688 The 24 men on stage get narrowed down to the top five. 1334 01:32:46,691 --> 01:32:50,303 184, Tommy Thompson, USA. Come on back. 1335 01:32:52,958 --> 01:32:56,614 305, Robert Terry, USA. Come on back. 1336 01:33:00,705 --> 01:33:04,317 373, Shevon Cunningham, USA. 1337 01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:09,627 322, Philip Ricardo, USA. 1338 01:33:14,545 --> 01:33:17,896 276, Chad Havunen, USA. 1339 01:33:22,292 --> 01:33:26,862 Adrian falls short of the top five with a sixth-place finish. 1340 01:33:26,905 --> 01:33:33,303 Christopher goes from the last year's third place finish down to the disappointing ninth. 1341 01:33:33,346 --> 01:33:37,655 They are both given participation medals, same as the other competitors. 1342 01:33:37,699 --> 01:33:40,266 On this stage, every athlete gets a medal. 1343 01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:43,922 Bodybuilding is such a subjective sport and I think that, you know, 1344 01:33:43,966 --> 01:33:47,273 over time, um, there are favorites that are... That are generated, 1345 01:33:47,317 --> 01:33:50,886 you know, and that... Just like in any other organization as well that, you know, 1346 01:33:50,929 --> 01:33:53,889 the judges are like all that, you know, that's... That's the guy. 1347 01:33:53,932 --> 01:33:57,675 I mean, he's... He's gonna win unless somebody else comes... Shows up and beats him. 1348 01:33:57,719 --> 01:34:01,157 The judges dictate a lot. It's people's own opinions of it. 1349 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,594 It's very superficial, you know. 1350 01:34:03,638 --> 01:34:07,076 You look at it and you... You might like blondes; I might like brunettes. 1351 01:34:07,119 --> 01:34:09,252 Let's talk about bodybuilding in general. 1352 01:34:09,295 --> 01:34:12,734 The subjectivity of even what you're looking at is always there. 1353 01:34:12,777 --> 01:34:17,521 So, still then, getting a bad feedback from a judge gives you a bad frame of mind. 1354 01:34:17,564 --> 01:34:21,656 So, what makes you a good bodybuilder is your ability to take what they've said, 1355 01:34:21,699 --> 01:34:25,616 take out the bias, but understand that the actual judging criteria 1356 01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:29,272 and change what you're doing to come back to look like what they want to see 1357 01:34:29,315 --> 01:34:32,057 because, ultimately, they are the ones who were gonna hand you the title. 1358 01:34:32,101 --> 01:34:33,929 In this sport, it can be very subjective. 1359 01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:37,410 So, even though, someone may have like the great balance 1360 01:34:37,454 --> 01:34:39,195 and maybe even good conditioning, 1361 01:34:39,238 --> 01:34:42,894 there could be someone who's, obviously, bigger, a better poser, 1362 01:34:42,938 --> 01:34:44,287 and presents their physique better. 1363 01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:46,245 So, presentation is important, even though, 1364 01:34:46,289 --> 01:34:49,509 it's not specifically judged as far as points are concerned, 1365 01:34:49,553 --> 01:34:51,773 but if you know how to present your body, 1366 01:34:51,816 --> 01:34:56,299 you can sometimes beat out someone who may have better genetics, you know, 1367 01:34:56,342 --> 01:34:59,737 better symmetry, better balance, better muscularity. 1368 01:34:59,781 --> 01:35:05,438 Final five posing routines of the Natural Olympia with number 273, 1369 01:35:05,482 --> 01:35:08,572 Shevon Cunningham, USA. 1370 01:35:08,615 --> 01:35:12,794 The top five athletes take the stage one last time for individual posing. 1371 01:35:12,837 --> 01:35:15,535 It's a privilege to be selected as the best. 1372 01:35:15,579 --> 01:35:17,755 It's what every competitor trains for. 1373 01:36:43,449 --> 01:36:47,932 Sidelines here, right on the wings, right in front of the podium, please. 1374 01:36:47,976 --> 01:36:52,937 Shevon Cunningham, Chad Havunen, Philip Ricardo, 1375 01:36:52,981 --> 01:36:59,161 Robert Terry, Tommy Thompson, top five in the world, 1376 01:36:59,204 --> 01:37:04,601 PNBA league, Pro Men's Natural Bodybuilding Open. 1377 01:37:09,432 --> 01:37:11,869 Thompson, USA, congratulations. 1378 01:37:15,394 --> 01:37:16,831 Congratulations. 1379 01:37:21,444 --> 01:37:24,751 273, Shevon Cunningham, USA. 1380 01:37:32,542 --> 01:37:36,198 Rob and Phil are the last two men on stage. 1381 01:37:36,241 --> 01:37:39,636 The next name called will be second place. 1382 01:37:45,076 --> 01:37:47,687 Second place, and a silver medal 1383 01:37:51,517 --> 01:37:53,868 and $2000 cash prize. 1384 01:37:56,131 --> 01:37:59,047 305, Robert Terry, USA. 1385 01:38:03,268 --> 01:38:07,707 Your champion, first place, gold medal, 1386 01:38:07,751 --> 01:38:13,017 bumped up to a $8000 cash prize, 1387 01:38:13,061 --> 01:38:18,022 your champion PNBA league, Pro Men's Bodybuilding Open, 1388 01:38:19,763 --> 01:38:22,505 the pinnacle of natural sports, Natural Olympian, 1389 01:38:22,548 --> 01:38:26,857 number 322, Philip Ricardo, USA. 1390 01:38:26,901 --> 01:38:30,078 - Yes! - Congratulations. 1391 01:38:32,602 --> 01:38:33,646 Oh, my God! 1392 01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:39,522 So, what was going through your head 1393 01:38:39,565 --> 01:38:42,046 when they announced Rob Terry, second place? 1394 01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:46,659 I just was already looking forward to just being humble 1395 01:38:46,703 --> 01:38:49,184 and accepting second place, honestly, 1396 01:38:49,227 --> 01:38:52,274 because I just, you know, I've seen him, 1397 01:38:52,317 --> 01:38:55,059 I've seen what he's done for the past couple of years. 1398 01:38:55,103 --> 01:38:57,801 I just didn't feel like... I... I don't know, 1399 01:38:57,844 --> 01:38:59,759 I didn't have the confidence that I was going to be able to do it 1400 01:38:59,803 --> 01:39:01,979 even though people were saying stuff. I've heard that before, 1401 01:39:02,023 --> 01:39:05,026 you know, and I look at other bodybuilders, 1402 01:39:05,069 --> 01:39:08,420 I'm just trying to put myself... The respect that I have for him. 1403 01:39:08,464 --> 01:39:10,161 Um, so, if I had gotten second, 1404 01:39:10,205 --> 01:39:14,470 I was just ready just to be prepared, emotionally, to accept it, 1405 01:39:14,513 --> 01:39:16,515 congratulate and hug him, all that good stuff. 1406 01:39:16,559 --> 01:39:20,606 But for me to... Yeah, it just didn't make sense. 1407 01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:24,001 The number I was expecting to hear is 322. 1408 01:39:24,045 --> 01:39:28,788 Get my second place. Be happy with that. But wow! 1409 01:40:06,522 --> 01:40:09,351 - Chocolate bar, first thing. - Yeah. 1410 01:40:09,394 --> 01:40:10,439 Absolutely. 1411 01:40:11,527 --> 01:40:13,572 Make them toes wiggle. 1412 01:40:13,616 --> 01:40:15,313 You're free. 1413 01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:38,162 So, what do you think... I mean, in today's world of bodybuilding, right, 1414 01:40:38,206 --> 01:40:41,992 what can be done to make natural bodybuilding more popular 1415 01:40:42,036 --> 01:40:45,300 and more, you know what I mean, more spread as opposed to enhanced bodybuilding? 1416 01:40:45,343 --> 01:40:48,694 What made the original bodybuilding great? 1417 01:40:48,738 --> 01:40:50,783 Do you think it was Arnold Schwarzenegger's physique? 1418 01:40:51,784 --> 01:40:54,483 - I don't think so. - Well, he put it on the map originally back in the... 1419 01:40:54,526 --> 01:40:56,789 Yeah, but what do you... What... What put it on the map? 1420 01:40:56,833 --> 01:41:00,402 Arnold Schwarzenegger, Muhammad Ali, those personalities... 1421 01:41:00,445 --> 01:41:03,274 - Mm. - ...that's a different level. 1422 01:41:03,318 --> 01:41:06,016 And that's what... That's what started bodybuilding. 1423 01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:12,805 So, for somebody to make natural bodybuilding, top notch, you need that personality. 1424 01:41:12,849 --> 01:41:14,590 - You need... You need those stars. - It can't be the body. 1425 01:41:14,633 --> 01:41:16,548 Yeah, you gotta have the stars. 1426 01:41:16,592 --> 01:41:19,986 I know that people want to go, "No, it's... It's the body, it's the body." 1427 01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:22,554 Arnold... Arnold did it because of the personality. 1428 01:41:23,729 --> 01:41:25,427 - Thanks, man... - No, bro. 1429 01:41:25,470 --> 01:41:26,732 - ...for the interview, man. Appreciate it, man. - Absolutely. 1430 01:41:36,699 --> 01:41:39,136 Nobody can deny that Arnold Schwarzenegger 1431 01:41:39,180 --> 01:41:41,704 brought bodybuilding to the mainstream, 1432 01:41:41,747 --> 01:41:47,101 but the sport has grown in his absence as well and became its own niche. 1433 01:41:47,144 --> 01:41:50,756 But is it true is one larger-than-life personality, 1434 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,759 all that natural bodybuilding needs to reach the next level? 1435 01:41:55,326 --> 01:41:58,721 After Arnold left the pro stage, Lee Haney showed us 1436 01:41:58,764 --> 01:42:02,246 that the boundaries of human physique could go much further. 1437 01:42:02,290 --> 01:42:05,684 Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman continued the evolution, 1438 01:42:06,555 --> 01:42:09,035 growing in size while managing to stay conditioned, 1439 01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:12,430 eventually, creating a new term, the mass monster. 1440 01:42:13,649 --> 01:42:17,566 Many people today refer to bodybuilding as a freak show. 1441 01:42:17,609 --> 01:42:19,959 And whether that's negative or positive, 1442 01:42:20,003 --> 01:42:22,440 there's one fact that can't be ignored, 1443 01:42:22,484 --> 01:42:24,964 more and more people are tuning in. 1444 01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:27,489 So, is Mike, right? 1445 01:42:29,708 --> 01:42:32,102 Does natural bodybuilding need a personality to make it successful? 1446 01:42:32,146 --> 01:42:35,801 Can bodybuilding rely solely on the beauty within the sport 1447 01:42:35,845 --> 01:42:38,064 or does it need to be more than that? 1448 01:42:38,108 --> 01:42:39,849 Do we need it to be a freak show? 1449 01:42:41,894 --> 01:42:44,245 I'm thankful that we're getting some different, uh... Some different things 1450 01:42:44,288 --> 01:42:48,640 that potentially could create a platform for us to be, you know, more widely known, 1451 01:42:48,684 --> 01:42:54,211 uh, but even in the IFBB, if you look at the disparity between them, the money that... 1452 01:42:54,255 --> 01:42:56,996 That the open bodybuilders make and that men's physique guys make, 1453 01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,346 those men's physique guys look phenomenal. 1454 01:42:58,389 --> 01:43:00,174 They're bodybuilders in board shorts, but... 1455 01:43:00,217 --> 01:43:02,350 But they... They're not the open bodybuilding guys. 1456 01:43:02,393 --> 01:43:03,916 Those are the guys that draw that... 1457 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,918 I mean, they're... They're mass monsters. 1458 01:43:05,962 --> 01:43:08,312 They're like... They have that absolute wow. 1459 01:43:08,356 --> 01:43:11,881 I'm... I'm hopeful that we're able to, you know, kind of find our niche in... 1460 01:43:11,924 --> 01:43:16,494 In the sport in that, you know, that we can draw eighth, you know, 1461 01:43:16,538 --> 01:43:20,019 a fraction of what the IFBB draws, but... 1462 01:43:20,063 --> 01:43:23,936 But, you know, it's gonna be... That's a tough... That's a tough mountain to climb. 1463 01:43:23,980 --> 01:43:26,200 For every time I meet an athlete that tells me, 1464 01:43:26,243 --> 01:43:31,248 "Hey, man, I am the so-and-so, so-and-so champion of such and such and such, 1465 01:43:31,292 --> 01:43:33,555 this year or that year. I won..." 1466 01:43:33,598 --> 01:43:35,034 "Well, what is the name of the organization?" 1467 01:43:35,078 --> 01:43:36,558 I always ask them what the name of the organization is. 1468 01:43:36,601 --> 01:43:40,388 They're afraid to say the name of the organization 1469 01:43:40,431 --> 01:43:44,827 because there's also built within that the distinction of, 1470 01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:47,917 "Well, I'm a natural. I'm an unenhanced athlete." 1471 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,312 And that's why whether... Whatever way you... 1472 01:43:51,355 --> 01:43:56,969 Whatever side of the fence you fall on, there's no reason to really shun or... 1473 01:43:57,013 --> 01:44:01,060 Or... Or discredit or, you know, I think it all has value. 1474 01:44:01,104 --> 01:44:02,758 I think it really does have value. 1475 01:44:02,801 --> 01:44:06,588 I don't dislike people who use performance-enhancing drugs. 1476 01:44:06,631 --> 01:44:10,548 The only thing I care is that if... If that's your standard of competition, 1477 01:44:10,592 --> 01:44:13,464 then there are competitions for you and I would love to go see them, 1478 01:44:13,508 --> 01:44:16,598 I'd love to patron them and I'd love to be your coach or your supporter. 1479 01:44:16,641 --> 01:44:20,689 This is time right now for natural bodybuilding to grow. 1480 01:44:20,732 --> 01:44:25,302 This is the time where everybody's seeing that health is the most important thing. 1481 01:44:28,131 --> 01:44:30,612 Natural Pro Bodybuilding provides an option 1482 01:44:30,655 --> 01:44:32,875 for athletes who want to be competitive 1483 01:44:32,918 --> 01:44:35,878 without the possible risks that come with performance-enhancing drugs, 1484 01:44:35,921 --> 01:44:39,925 but it still has a long way to go to reach wide recognition 1485 01:44:39,969 --> 01:44:44,756 and, ultimately, it will be up to the audience to decide what's more popular. 1486 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,630 But for these athletes, being natural stands way beyond recognition, 1487 01:44:48,673 --> 01:44:52,242 social media hype, or even mainstream success. 1488 01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:26,320 My pleasure, my friend. 1489 01:45:28,278 --> 01:45:30,106 What time is it? 1490 01:45:42,423 --> 01:45:43,249 Cool. 1491 01:45:44,425 --> 01:45:45,251 Boom. 1492 01:47:33,055 --> 01:47:34,491 You did that, champ. 132767

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