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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,005 --> 00:00:08,842 It's a time of enormous turmoil. 2 00:00:08,908 --> 00:00:09,743 Shut up in here. 3 00:00:09,809 --> 00:00:11,077 The '60s are over dad. 4 00:00:11,144 --> 00:00:13,747 Here's Michael at the foul line, a shot on ehlo. 5 00:00:13,813 --> 00:00:14,714 Good! Yeah! 6 00:00:14,781 --> 00:00:16,049 Haha! 7 00:00:16,116 --> 00:00:18,218 We intend to cover all the news all the time. 8 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:20,987 We won't be signing off until the world ends. 9 00:00:21,054 --> 00:00:22,622 Isn't that special? 10 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:26,059 Any tool for human expression will bring out the best 11 00:00:26,126 --> 00:00:28,528 and the worst in us, and television has been that. 12 00:00:28,595 --> 00:00:30,730 They don't pay me enough to deal with animals like this. 13 00:00:30,797 --> 00:00:34,033 People are no longer embarrassed to admit they watch television. 14 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,770 We have seen the news and it is us. 15 00:01:29,255 --> 00:01:33,593 Slowly but surely, the 1970s are disappearing. 16 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:37,197 The 1980s will be upon us. 17 00:01:37,263 --> 00:01:39,432 What a decade it is coming up. 18 00:01:43,570 --> 00:01:46,439 Happy new year! 19 00:01:47,807 --> 00:01:50,343 As you begin the '80s in the television world, 20 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:53,146 the landscape was, on any given evening, 21 00:01:53,213 --> 00:01:57,183 9 out of 10 people were watching only one of three networks. 22 00:01:57,250 --> 00:02:00,420 More than 30 million people are addicted to it. 23 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:03,590 Social critics are mystified by its success. 24 00:02:03,656 --> 00:02:04,624 What is it? 25 00:02:04,691 --> 00:02:06,459 It's television's primetime, 26 00:02:06,526 --> 00:02:08,628 prairie pot boiler, "Dallas." 27 00:02:08,695 --> 00:02:11,698 A move like that will destroy all of ewing oil, 28 00:02:11,764 --> 00:02:13,132 and it'll ruin our family name. 29 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,902 I assure you, a thought like that never crossed my mind. 30 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:18,004 Brother or no brother, whatever it takes, 31 00:02:18,071 --> 00:02:20,039 I'll stop you from destroying ewing oil. 32 00:02:20,106 --> 00:02:21,841 "Dallas" really did establish new ground 33 00:02:21,908 --> 00:02:24,077 in terms of the weekly, one hour show 34 00:02:24,143 --> 00:02:27,614 that literally captivated america for 13 years. 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,483 "Dallas" is a television show which in some ways is rooted 36 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:33,052 in the 1970's and one of the crazy things 37 00:02:33,119 --> 00:02:38,091 that emerges is this character, J.R. Ewing as a pop phenomenon. 38 00:02:38,157 --> 00:02:40,827 Tell me, J.R., which slut are you gonna stay with tonight? 39 00:02:40,894 --> 00:02:41,995 What difference does it make? 40 00:02:42,061 --> 00:02:43,563 Whoever it is it's got to be more interesting 41 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:45,331 than the slut I'm looking at right now. 42 00:02:45,398 --> 00:02:48,501 He was such a delicious villain. 43 00:02:48,568 --> 00:02:53,339 Everyone was completely enamored by this character. 44 00:02:53,406 --> 00:02:56,175 At this point so many people were watching television 45 00:02:56,242 --> 00:02:58,912 that you could do something so unexpected 46 00:02:58,978 --> 00:03:01,147 that it would become news overnight. 47 00:03:01,214 --> 00:03:04,484 Who's there? 48 00:03:12,792 --> 00:03:18,231 The national obsession in 1980 around who shot J.R. 49 00:03:18,298 --> 00:03:20,667 It's hard to imagine how obsessed we all were 50 00:03:20,733 --> 00:03:23,670 with that question, but we were. 51 00:03:23,736 --> 00:03:26,839 Who shot J.R. Is about as ideal a cliffhanger 52 00:03:26,906 --> 00:03:28,675 as you possibly could get. 53 00:03:28,741 --> 00:03:29,842 Who did shoot J.R.? 54 00:03:29,909 --> 00:03:31,644 We may never get the answer to that question. 55 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:33,947 I mean, the people who produced that program are gonna keep us 56 00:03:34,013 --> 00:03:36,182 in suspense for as long as they possibly can. 57 00:03:36,249 --> 00:03:39,419 We shot J.R. And then we broke for the summer. 58 00:03:39,485 --> 00:03:40,753 Then coincidentally, 59 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:44,791 the actors went on strike and it delayed the resolution. 60 00:03:44,857 --> 00:03:47,760 And it just started to percolate through the world. 61 00:03:47,827 --> 00:03:52,031 I remember going on vacation to england that summer 62 00:03:52,098 --> 00:03:54,901 and that's all that people were talking about there. 63 00:03:54,968 --> 00:03:56,269 Well we know you don't die. 64 00:03:56,336 --> 00:03:57,470 I mean, you couldn't die? 65 00:03:57,537 --> 00:03:58,438 You don't know that. 66 00:03:58,504 --> 00:03:59,405 Well, how could you die? 67 00:03:59,472 --> 00:04:00,373 You couldn't come back next season. 68 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,608 That's what I mean. 69 00:04:01,674 --> 00:04:03,910 I couldn't come back, but the show could still go. 70 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:05,645 Oh, but you wouldn't? 71 00:04:05,712 --> 00:04:07,580 What is that show without J.R.? 72 00:04:07,647 --> 00:04:09,148 Well, that's what I figure. 73 00:04:09,215 --> 00:04:12,285 Well, I guess if you don't know by now who shot J.R., 74 00:04:12,352 --> 00:04:13,753 you probably do not care. 75 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:16,356 But last night, some 82 million Americans did 76 00:04:16,422 --> 00:04:19,092 and they watched the muchtouted "Dallas" episode. 77 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:22,061 It could become the most watched television show ever. 78 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:26,699 Who shot J.R. Is a reflection of oldfashioned television. 79 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:28,668 It's a moment that gathers everybody around 80 00:04:28,735 --> 00:04:32,572 the electronic fireplace, which is now the television set. 81 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:35,008 Now, about one special American television program, 82 00:04:35,074 --> 00:04:37,677 a critic said it transcends in popularity 83 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:40,013 every other American statement about war. 84 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:42,148 And something special happened today 85 00:04:42,215 --> 00:04:45,218 to mobile army surgical hospital 4077 86 00:04:45,284 --> 00:04:47,420 that will touch millions of Americans. 87 00:04:47,487 --> 00:04:50,056 It was the kind of an event that would draw the world's press. 88 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,725 Stage nine, 20th century fox studios, 89 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:54,527 the end of the korean war - 90 00:04:54,594 --> 00:04:55,862 the television version, "M.A.S.H." 91 00:04:55,928 --> 00:04:58,264 It's been an honor and a privilege 92 00:04:58,331 --> 00:05:00,133 to have worked with you. 93 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,370 And I'm very, very proud to have known you. 94 00:05:04,437 --> 00:05:07,573 There were those landmark times 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,308 when shows that had been watched 96 00:05:09,375 --> 00:05:13,446 through the '70s and into the '80s, like "M.A.S.H.," 97 00:05:13,513 --> 00:05:14,981 had its final episode. 98 00:05:15,048 --> 00:05:17,050 And were all sad to see them go. 99 00:05:17,116 --> 00:05:19,252 I'll miss you. 100 00:05:19,318 --> 00:05:21,454 I'll miss you. A lot. 101 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:24,457 All over the country, 102 00:05:24,524 --> 00:05:27,260 armies of fans crowded around television sets 103 00:05:27,326 --> 00:05:31,130 to watch the final episode and to bid "M.A.S.H." Farewell. 104 00:05:31,197 --> 00:05:35,168 Levine: The finale of "m.A.S.H." Was unprecedented. 105 00:05:35,234 --> 00:05:38,871 123 million people 106 00:05:38,938 --> 00:05:43,209 watched one television program at the same time. 107 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:45,678 You know, I really should be allowed to go home. 108 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:47,046 There's nothing wrong with me. 109 00:05:47,113 --> 00:05:49,315 When we ended the show, 110 00:05:49,382 --> 00:05:51,617 we got telegrams of congratulations 111 00:05:51,684 --> 00:05:55,188 from Henry Kissinger and Ronald Reagan. 112 00:05:55,254 --> 00:05:57,724 The size of the response 113 00:05:57,790 --> 00:05:59,992 and the emotional nature of the response 114 00:06:00,059 --> 00:06:03,262 that we were getting was difficult for us to understand. 115 00:06:03,329 --> 00:06:06,799 Who shot J.R. And the last episode of "M.A.S.H." 116 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:12,371 Are the last call for the precable world of television. 117 00:06:12,438 --> 00:06:15,007 It's like they are the last time 118 00:06:15,074 --> 00:06:19,278 that that huge audience will all turn up for one event. 119 00:06:19,345 --> 00:06:23,049 All right. That's it. Let's roll. 120 00:06:23,116 --> 00:06:24,417 Hey... 121 00:06:24,484 --> 00:06:28,221 Let's be careful out there. 122 00:06:28,287 --> 00:06:32,425 Dispatch. We have a 911. Armed robbery in progress. 123 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:35,495 When quality does emerge on television, 124 00:06:35,561 --> 00:06:38,631 the phrase "too good for TV" is often heard. 125 00:06:38,698 --> 00:06:41,701 One recent network offering that seems to deserve 126 00:06:41,768 --> 00:06:44,837 that phrase is "hill street blues." 127 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:46,839 "Hill street" is one of the changing points 128 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:49,408 of the entire industry in the history of TV. 129 00:06:49,475 --> 00:06:54,013 We had all watched a documentary about cops 130 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,582 and it had this real handheld, 131 00:06:56,649 --> 00:06:59,986 in the moment quality that we were very enamored of. 132 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:04,557 Come in! Come in! 133 00:07:06,292 --> 00:07:08,795 The minute you looked at it, it looked different. 134 00:07:08,861 --> 00:07:10,229 It had a mood to it. 135 00:07:10,296 --> 00:07:12,932 You could almost, you could almost smell the stale coffee. 136 00:07:12,999 --> 00:07:16,636 We didn't want to do a standard cop show 137 00:07:16,702 --> 00:07:19,238 where, you know, you got a crime 138 00:07:19,305 --> 00:07:21,307 and you got your two cops and you go out 139 00:07:21,374 --> 00:07:23,876 and you catch the bad guy and you sweat him 140 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:26,746 and he confesses and that's it. 141 00:07:26,813 --> 00:07:29,282 Cops have personal lives 142 00:07:29,348 --> 00:07:32,785 that impact their behavior in profound ways. 143 00:07:32,852 --> 00:07:34,787 Well, what about it? Is he here or is he elsewhere? 144 00:07:34,854 --> 00:07:36,422 Let's don't get excited counselor. 145 00:07:36,489 --> 00:07:37,423 We're working on it. 146 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:39,258 How's this for logic, Furillo - 147 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:43,396 if he's not here and if he's not elsewhere, he's lost. 148 00:07:43,462 --> 00:07:44,397 We didn't say that, counselor. 149 00:07:44,463 --> 00:07:45,498 You lost my client. 150 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:46,632 Not lost, per se. Never in my entire life 151 00:07:46,699 --> 00:07:48,701 have I listened to so much incompetence 152 00:07:48,768 --> 00:07:51,370 covered up by so much unmitigated crap. 153 00:07:51,437 --> 00:07:53,639 Find my client, Furillo, 154 00:07:53,706 --> 00:07:57,009 or I swear I'll have you up on charges. 155 00:07:57,076 --> 00:07:59,946 There'd be these ongoing arcs for these characters 156 00:08:00,012 --> 00:08:02,648 that would play out over five, six episodes, 157 00:08:02,715 --> 00:08:03,983 sometimes an entire season. 158 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:07,119 And in a way, for certain stories, over the entire series. 159 00:08:07,186 --> 00:08:10,556 And no one had really done that in an hourlong dramatic show. 160 00:08:10,623 --> 00:08:14,160 These past four months I've missed you. 161 00:08:14,227 --> 00:08:18,497 I had to find that out. 162 00:08:18,564 --> 00:08:20,199 Come home, pizza man. 163 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:22,068 I think in the past, 164 00:08:22,134 --> 00:08:25,805 people had watched television passively 165 00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:30,509 and the one thing I think we did set out to be were provocateurs. 166 00:08:30,576 --> 00:08:34,647 You want an accident report? You fill it out. 167 00:08:34,714 --> 00:08:36,249 What the hell's the matter with you man? 168 00:08:36,315 --> 00:08:37,516 I'll tell you something. 169 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:39,285 They don't pay me enough to deal with animals like this. 170 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:40,887 The first thing they see is a white face 171 00:08:40,953 --> 00:08:42,388 and all they want to do is do him in! 172 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:44,123 You listen to me, Renko. 173 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:46,325 It was a white finger that pulled the trigger, 174 00:08:46,392 --> 00:08:47,360 not a black one! 175 00:08:47,426 --> 00:08:48,561 It was a white one. 176 00:08:48,628 --> 00:08:49,829 It set a trend. 177 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:51,297 The idea that the audience can accept its characters 178 00:08:51,364 --> 00:08:53,099 being deeply flawed, you know, 179 00:08:53,165 --> 00:08:54,667 even though they're wearing this uniform. 180 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:56,235 And I thought that that was important 181 00:08:56,302 --> 00:08:58,170 to finally get across. 182 00:08:58,237 --> 00:08:59,906 Don't do it! No biting! 183 00:08:59,972 --> 00:09:03,809 We wanted to make a show that made you participate, 184 00:09:03,876 --> 00:09:06,178 made you pay attention. 185 00:09:06,245 --> 00:09:08,147 And I think that worked pretty well. 186 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:10,950 And the winner is... 187 00:09:11,017 --> 00:09:12,084 "Hill Street Blues." 188 00:09:13,786 --> 00:09:15,888 We got 21 nominations 189 00:09:15,955 --> 00:09:17,390 and we went on to win eight emmys 190 00:09:17,456 --> 00:09:19,158 and it put us on the map, literally. 191 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:22,795 And that's when people finally checked us out. 192 00:09:22,862 --> 00:09:24,730 The programming chief of one of the networks 193 00:09:24,797 --> 00:09:27,800 used to say to me about shows like "hill street" 194 00:09:27,867 --> 00:09:29,001 and "St. Elsewhere," 195 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:31,203 what the American public wants is a cheeseburger 196 00:09:31,270 --> 00:09:35,074 and what you're trying to give them is a French delicacy. 197 00:09:35,141 --> 00:09:38,010 And he said, your job is to keep shoving it down their throat 198 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:41,414 until after a while they'll say, "that doesn't taste bad." 199 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,516 And maybe they'll even order it themselves 200 00:09:43,582 --> 00:09:45,051 when they go to the restaurant. 201 00:09:45,117 --> 00:09:46,619 Nice of you to join us Dr. Morrison. 202 00:09:46,686 --> 00:09:48,587 The success of "Hill Street Blues" 203 00:09:48,654 --> 00:09:49,689 is a critical phenomenon, 204 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:52,358 influenced everything that came after. 205 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:55,361 And then, of course, you saw shows like "St. Elsewhere." 206 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:57,596 Do you know what people call this place? 207 00:09:57,663 --> 00:09:58,898 Not St. Eligius. 208 00:09:58,965 --> 00:10:00,366 St. Elsewhere. 209 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:02,802 A place you wouldn't want to send your motherinlaw. 210 00:10:02,868 --> 00:10:04,804 When it first came on, 211 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:07,673 it was actually promoted as "Hill Street" in a hospital. 212 00:10:07,740 --> 00:10:09,675 You give your patients the wrong antibiotics. 213 00:10:09,742 --> 00:10:11,610 You don't know what medications they're on. 214 00:10:11,677 --> 00:10:13,245 You write the worst progress notes. 215 00:10:13,312 --> 00:10:14,013 You're pathetic. 216 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,780 Pathetic! 217 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:16,015 Phil! 218 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:16,015 What?! 219 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:16,015 Phil! 220 00:10:14,847 --> 00:10:16,015 What?! 221 00:10:16,082 --> 00:10:17,817 Dr. Moray needs you right away. 222 00:10:17,883 --> 00:10:19,185 I'm sorry. 223 00:10:19,251 --> 00:10:22,355 "St. Elsewhere" broke every rule there was 224 00:10:22,421 --> 00:10:24,690 and then built some new rules. 225 00:10:24,757 --> 00:10:27,660 Bobby, the blood bank called a little while ago. 226 00:10:27,727 --> 00:10:30,563 They ran a routine panel on that pint of blood. 227 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:32,465 Tcell count was off. 228 00:10:32,531 --> 00:10:34,934 They would have tragic things happen to these characters. 229 00:10:35,001 --> 00:10:37,370 There was real heartache in these people's lives. 230 00:10:37,436 --> 00:10:38,704 And you really felt for them. 231 00:10:38,771 --> 00:10:40,773 I've got aids? 232 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,345 Television at its best is a mirror of society in the moment. 233 00:10:46,412 --> 00:10:48,047 "St. Elsewhere" challenged people. 234 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:49,582 It challenged you as an actor 235 00:10:49,648 --> 00:10:52,084 much less the audience, to think. 236 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:55,821 The stuff they gave you was extreme and what they did 237 00:10:55,888 --> 00:10:58,124 whether they were dealing with aids 238 00:10:58,190 --> 00:11:01,227 or having one of their main doctor characters 239 00:11:01,293 --> 00:11:02,962 raped in a prison. 240 00:11:03,029 --> 00:11:05,131 They tackled lots of difficult subjects. 241 00:11:05,197 --> 00:11:08,968 "St. Elsewhere" was run by people who were trying 242 00:11:09,035 --> 00:11:11,837 to stretch the medium, and in the '80s, 243 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:13,873 television producers were encouraged 244 00:11:13,939 --> 00:11:15,341 to stretch the medium. 245 00:11:15,408 --> 00:11:17,843 Okay. Clear. 246 00:11:30,022 --> 00:11:32,825 A lot of people used to say, "I was there." 247 00:11:32,892 --> 00:11:34,760 Now people say they watch it on television. 248 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:36,595 There's just a lot of excitement 249 00:11:36,662 --> 00:11:38,531 connected to sports in the '80s. 250 00:11:38,597 --> 00:11:40,399 You used to have to depend on the five minutes 251 00:11:40,466 --> 00:11:42,601 at the end of your local newscast. 252 00:11:42,668 --> 00:11:44,336 There just hadn't been enough, you know? 253 00:11:44,403 --> 00:11:46,472 Give us a whole network of sports. 254 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:48,574 There's just one place you need to go 255 00:11:48,641 --> 00:11:51,644 for all the names and games making sports news - 256 00:11:51,710 --> 00:11:53,512 "ESPN sports center." 257 00:11:53,579 --> 00:11:57,450 What happens in the 1980s is sports becomes a TV show 258 00:11:57,516 --> 00:11:59,752 and what are TV shows built around? 259 00:11:59,819 --> 00:12:01,620 They're built around characters. 260 00:12:03,489 --> 00:12:07,126 You can't be serious, man. You cannot be serious! 261 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:09,795 You guys are the absolute pits of the world, you know that? 262 00:12:09,862 --> 00:12:12,164 Mcenroe, the perfect villain. 263 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:13,799 The new yorker that people loved to hate. 264 00:12:13,866 --> 00:12:18,404 Borg the cool Swede, never giving any emotion away. 265 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:22,041 What tennis really wants is to get its two best players 266 00:12:22,108 --> 00:12:24,410 playing over and over again in the final. 267 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:27,246 Whether there's John Mcenroe and Bjorn Borg 268 00:12:27,313 --> 00:12:29,548 or Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova. 269 00:12:29,615 --> 00:12:32,818 That's what we want to tune into over and over and over again. 270 00:12:32,885 --> 00:12:34,220 Oh, could this be? 271 00:12:34,286 --> 00:12:38,324 Net court at three match points to martina navratilova. 272 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:41,427 Know that this man has a smile 273 00:12:41,494 --> 00:12:43,629 that lights up a television screen 274 00:12:43,696 --> 00:12:45,531 from here to bangor, Maine. 275 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:47,833 And then there is magic Johnson, 276 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:49,735 this urban kid from Michigan 277 00:12:49,802 --> 00:12:53,739 and Larry bird, this guy who worked carrying trash. 278 00:12:53,806 --> 00:12:55,608 One plays for the Los Angeles Lakers, 279 00:12:55,674 --> 00:12:57,776 the other plays for the Boston celtics. 280 00:12:57,843 --> 00:12:59,545 It's a great story. 281 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:01,180 Off the back. 282 00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:02,448 Lakers had several chances 283 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:05,885 and here's Larry bird dunking down the court. 284 00:13:05,951 --> 00:13:07,786 Magic Johnson leads the attack. 285 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:09,788 Look at that pass. Oh, oh! What a show! 286 00:13:09,855 --> 00:13:10,756 What a great play! 287 00:13:10,823 --> 00:13:12,091 Oh! What a show! 288 00:13:12,158 --> 00:13:14,894 When those championship games are in prime time 289 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,329 and people are paying attention to that, 290 00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:19,398 television feeds into those rivalries 291 00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:22,334 and makes them bigger than they've ever been before. 292 00:13:28,741 --> 00:13:30,609 Every Mike Tyson fight was an event 293 00:13:30,676 --> 00:13:32,945 because every fight was like an ax murder. 294 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:34,947 When he fought Michael Spinks, 295 00:13:35,014 --> 00:13:38,083 the electricity, you could just feel it watching it on TV. 296 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:39,952 Here comes Mike, Spinks in! 297 00:13:40,019 --> 00:13:42,121 He leads with a right hand! Down he goes! 298 00:13:42,188 --> 00:13:44,924 Tyson was made for TV because there was drama. 299 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:48,527 It's all over! Mike Tyson has won it! 300 00:13:48,594 --> 00:13:52,097 Not a lot of junior high school kids can dunk, 301 00:13:52,164 --> 00:13:53,165 especially at five feet. 302 00:13:53,232 --> 00:13:54,700 But everybody tries now. Everybody tries. 303 00:13:54,767 --> 00:13:56,569 I bet now. 304 00:13:56,635 --> 00:13:59,104 I think that he is starting to transcend just his sport. 305 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:00,940 He's becoming something of a public figure. 306 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:02,975 Michael Jordan becomes the model 307 00:14:03,042 --> 00:14:05,411 that every other athlete wants to shoot for. 308 00:14:05,477 --> 00:14:06,912 They want to be a brand. 309 00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:09,148 And that's what television does for these athletes. 310 00:14:09,215 --> 00:14:12,151 It turns them into worldwide, iconic brands. 311 00:14:12,218 --> 00:14:14,286 The inbound pass comes in to Jordan. 312 00:14:14,353 --> 00:14:16,555 Here's Michael at the foul line. A shot on ehlo. 313 00:14:16,622 --> 00:14:17,656 Good! Yeah! 314 00:14:17,723 --> 00:14:18,958 The bulls win! 315 00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:22,228 Athletes in the '80s became part of an ongoing 316 00:14:22,294 --> 00:14:23,762 group of people that we cared about. 317 00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:26,332 We just had an enormous, pentup demand for sports 318 00:14:26,398 --> 00:14:29,568 and the '80s began to provide. Thank goodness. 319 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:31,637 Cable television is continuing to grow. 320 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:33,272 It's estimated that it will go into 321 00:14:33,339 --> 00:14:35,975 one million more U.S. households this year. 322 00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:39,111 With cable television suddenly offering an array 323 00:14:39,178 --> 00:14:42,081 of different channel choices, the audience bifurcated. 324 00:14:42,147 --> 00:14:43,315 That's an earthquake. 325 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:45,384 I want my mtv! I want my mtv! 326 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:45,384 I want my mtv! 327 00:14:45,451 --> 00:14:47,219 I want my mtv. 328 00:14:47,286 --> 00:14:49,021 I want my mtv. 329 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:54,793 A new concept is born - 330 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:58,197 the best of TV combined with the best of radio. 331 00:14:58,264 --> 00:14:59,765 This is it. 332 00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:02,701 Welcome to mtv, music television - 333 00:15:02,768 --> 00:15:06,839 the world's first 24hour, stereo, video music channel. 334 00:15:06,905 --> 00:15:09,642 Music television, what a concept. 335 00:15:09,708 --> 00:15:12,778 Mtv was, pow!, in your face. 336 00:15:12,845 --> 00:15:15,481 You were not gonna turn us off. 337 00:15:17,149 --> 00:15:18,884 Mtv did nothing 338 00:15:18,951 --> 00:15:21,754 but play current music videos all day long. 339 00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:22,888 So let me get this straight - 340 00:15:22,955 --> 00:15:25,224 you turn on the TV and it's like the radio? 341 00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:27,226 I'm Martha Quinn. 342 00:15:27,293 --> 00:15:30,696 The music will continue nonstop on mtv music television, 343 00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:33,799 the newest component of your stereo system. 344 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:36,769 When mtv launched, a generation was launched. 345 00:15:36,835 --> 00:15:40,906 18 to 24yearolds were saying, "I want my mtv." 346 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:44,209 I want my mtv videos. I want my mtv fashion. 347 00:15:44,276 --> 00:15:45,144 Yo! 348 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:47,379 Mtv was the first network 349 00:15:47,446 --> 00:15:48,847 really focused on the youth market 350 00:15:48,914 --> 00:15:51,016 and becomes hugely influential 351 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,618 because they understand each other, 352 00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:53,919 the audience and the network. 353 00:15:53,986 --> 00:15:58,824 Mtv had a giant impact visually and musically 354 00:15:58,891 --> 00:16:01,794 on every part of the TV culture that came next. 355 00:16:02,728 --> 00:16:03,629 Freeze! Freeze! 356 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:04,730 Miami vice. 357 00:16:07,599 --> 00:16:10,769 Friday nights on nbc are different this season, 358 00:16:10,836 --> 00:16:12,137 thanks to "Miami vice." 359 00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:15,007 It's a show with an old theme, but a lot of new twists. 360 00:16:15,074 --> 00:16:16,308 Described by one critic 361 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:18,644 as containing flashes of brilliance, nonetheless. 362 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:20,946 Shot entirely on location in south Miami, 363 00:16:21,013 --> 00:16:23,749 the story centers around two undercover vice cops. 364 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:27,753 I don't know how this is gonna work tubbs. 365 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:32,491 I mean, you're not exactly up my alley style and persona wise. 366 00:16:32,558 --> 00:16:34,860 Heaven knows I'm no box of candy. 367 00:16:34,927 --> 00:16:37,663 Television very much was the small screen. 368 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:38,864 What was interesting 369 00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:40,999 about Tony yerkovich's pilot screenplay 370 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:43,535 for "Miami vice" is that it was exactly not that. 371 00:16:43,602 --> 00:16:45,771 Very much the approach was, 372 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,639 okay they call this a television series, 373 00:16:47,706 --> 00:16:50,609 but we're gonna make onehour movies every single week. 374 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:52,511 Okay, here we go. Standby. 375 00:16:52,578 --> 00:16:53,545 Action! 376 00:16:53,612 --> 00:16:54,747 Police! Police! 377 00:16:54,813 --> 00:16:55,981 You were just describing the show 378 00:16:56,048 --> 00:16:57,750 as sort of a newwave cop show. 379 00:16:57,816 --> 00:16:59,518 Yeah, it's a cop show for the '80s. 380 00:16:59,585 --> 00:17:01,754 I mean, we use a lot of mtv images 381 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:05,391 and rock music to help describe the mood 382 00:17:05,457 --> 00:17:06,759 and feeling of our show. 383 00:17:06,825 --> 00:17:07,993 In a lot of ways, 384 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:10,763 you don't get "Miami vice" without mtv 385 00:17:10,829 --> 00:17:12,998 because in a lot of ways, "Miami vice" was a long video. 386 00:17:13,065 --> 00:17:14,900 The music was such a big part of that show. 387 00:17:17,436 --> 00:17:20,406 There was an allure to using great music 388 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:23,442 that everybody was listening to as opposed to the routine 389 00:17:23,509 --> 00:17:27,379 kind of TV scoring of that period. 390 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:34,887 Not only was it not afraid to let long scenes play out, 391 00:17:34,953 --> 00:17:38,590 it would drag - a car going from point a to point b 392 00:17:38,657 --> 00:17:41,160 could be a fourminute Phil Collins song, 393 00:17:41,226 --> 00:17:43,162 you know, and it was. 394 00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:48,200 Being able to take a television series 395 00:17:48,267 --> 00:17:51,103 like "Miami vice" and let's really kind of rock 'n' roll 396 00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:53,071 with this until somebody says, 397 00:17:53,138 --> 00:17:55,607 "stop, are you guys crazy? You can't do that." 398 00:17:55,674 --> 00:17:57,042 And nobody ever did. 399 00:17:58,277 --> 00:17:59,845 Go! 400 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:02,181 Freeze! Police! 401 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:15,727 Thomas Magnum? 402 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:17,296 Marion Hammond? 403 00:18:17,362 --> 00:18:19,498 The private investigator? 404 00:18:19,565 --> 00:18:20,666 Oh 405 00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:22,234 you're probably wondering about the goat. 406 00:18:22,301 --> 00:18:25,904 Um, just let me drop off my friend, and then we'll talk. 407 00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:27,573 When we entered the '80s, 408 00:18:27,639 --> 00:18:31,810 a lot of onehour dramas that were light hearted, 409 00:18:31,877 --> 00:18:33,345 like "Magnum, p.I.," 410 00:18:33,412 --> 00:18:35,380 were very popular. 411 00:18:37,816 --> 00:18:39,718 After "m.A.S.H." Went off the air, 412 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:43,856 the next season there wasn't a single sitcom in the top 10. 413 00:18:43,922 --> 00:18:47,559 First time that had ever happened in TV history. 414 00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:50,896 The prevailing feeling was that the sitcom was dead. 415 00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:53,699 Brandon tartikoff, nbc programming chief, 416 00:18:53,765 --> 00:18:57,269 says reports of the sitcom's death were greatly exaggerated. 417 00:18:57,336 --> 00:19:00,873 Time and time again, if you study television history, 418 00:19:00,939 --> 00:19:04,376 just when someone is counting a form out, 419 00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:06,645 that is exactly the form of programming 420 00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:08,647 that leads to the next big hit. 421 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:14,553 So 1984, "the cosby show" comes on. 422 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:18,156 Now, bill cosby's not new to TV. He's had other TV shows. 423 00:19:18,223 --> 00:19:21,059 But "the cosby show" is very different. 424 00:19:21,126 --> 00:19:22,861 It stands apart from everything else he's done. 425 00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:25,030 Mom, I wanted my eggs scrambled. 426 00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:27,366 Coming right up. 427 00:19:27,432 --> 00:19:29,067 They talked about parenting. 428 00:19:29,134 --> 00:19:30,736 Previous to that, on television 429 00:19:30,802 --> 00:19:32,938 the kids were cool and the parents were idiots. 430 00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:36,708 And then cosby says the parents are in charge 431 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:38,277 and that was something new. 432 00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:43,949 Instead of acting disappointed because I'm not like you, 433 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,485 maybe you can just accept who I am 434 00:19:46,552 --> 00:19:50,889 and love me anyway because I'm your son. 435 00:19:50,956 --> 00:19:55,227 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life! 436 00:19:55,294 --> 00:19:56,728 You know, it helps, 437 00:19:56,795 --> 00:19:58,230 the casting of anything helps a lot in television. 438 00:19:58,297 --> 00:19:59,631 And the kids were just great. 439 00:19:59,698 --> 00:20:01,767 If you were the last person on this earth, 440 00:20:01,833 --> 00:20:04,269 I still wouldn't tell you. 441 00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:06,672 You don't have to tell me what you did. 442 00:20:06,738 --> 00:20:10,208 Just tell me what they're gonna do to you. 443 00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:11,877 Unlike every other show on TV, 444 00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:15,047 it's showing an uppermiddleclass black family. 445 00:20:15,113 --> 00:20:16,448 This wasn't "all in the family." 446 00:20:16,515 --> 00:20:18,317 They weren't tackling, you know, deep issues. 447 00:20:18,383 --> 00:20:19,651 But that was okay. 448 00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:22,120 The mere fact that they existed was a deep issue. 449 00:20:22,187 --> 00:20:26,258 The decade was waiting for something real. 450 00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:27,659 In other words, unless it's real 451 00:20:27,726 --> 00:20:30,295 it doesn't seem like it moves anybody. 452 00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:31,563 If someone's feeling something, 453 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:33,165 you get to the heart, you get to the mind. 454 00:20:33,231 --> 00:20:35,434 And if you can hit the hearts and minds, 455 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,768 you got yourself a hit. 456 00:20:36,835 --> 00:20:38,070 How was school? 457 00:20:38,136 --> 00:20:39,938 School, dear? 458 00:20:40,005 --> 00:20:45,477 I brought home two children that may or may not be ours. 459 00:20:45,544 --> 00:20:51,483 Cosby's show brought this tremendous audience to nbc. 460 00:20:51,550 --> 00:20:57,289 And that was a bridge to us. I mean, our ratings went way up. 461 00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:06,531 Even the theme song to "cheers" put you in a good mood. 462 00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:07,532 Evening everybody. 463 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:08,967 Norm! 464 00:21:09,034 --> 00:21:10,168 Norman. 465 00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:11,403 What's shaking norm? 466 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:14,239 All four cheeks and a couple of chins, coach. 467 00:21:14,306 --> 00:21:17,743 By the end of the "cheers" pilot, 468 00:21:17,809 --> 00:21:20,779 not only did you know who everybody was, 469 00:21:20,846 --> 00:21:24,683 but you wanted to come back and see what was gonna happen. 470 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:27,185 It's like all you have to do is watch it once, 471 00:21:27,252 --> 00:21:28,954 you're gonna love these people. 472 00:21:29,021 --> 00:21:30,489 These are universal characters 473 00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:33,058 and the humor worked on so many levels. 474 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:34,660 Last night I was up till 2:00 in the morning 475 00:21:34,726 --> 00:21:36,595 finishing off kierkegaard. 476 00:21:36,662 --> 00:21:38,864 I hope he thanked you for it. 477 00:21:39,731 --> 00:21:41,533 You have to create a community 478 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,335 that people are identifying with. 479 00:21:43,402 --> 00:21:46,071 And "cheers" gives you that community. 480 00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:48,540 Boy I tell you, I've always wanted to sky dive. 481 00:21:48,607 --> 00:21:49,775 I've just never had the guts. 482 00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:51,109 What did it feel like? 483 00:21:51,176 --> 00:21:53,111 Well, imagine it's a lot like sex, Sammy. 484 00:21:53,178 --> 00:21:57,082 Not that I have to imagine what sex is like. 485 00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:59,651 But I've had plenty of sex, and plenty of this, too. 486 00:21:59,718 --> 00:22:02,721 What don't you just get off my back, okay? 487 00:22:02,788 --> 00:22:05,057 Long: In the first episode, 488 00:22:05,123 --> 00:22:08,093 there was a rather passionate annoyance. 489 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,764 I was saying, uh, something's going on here. 490 00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:16,268 A really intelligent woman would see your line of b.S. 491 00:22:16,334 --> 00:22:17,636 A mile away. 492 00:22:17,703 --> 00:22:20,906 I've never met an intelligent woman that I'd want to date. 493 00:22:20,972 --> 00:22:24,943 On behalf of the intelligent women around the world, 494 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:27,446 may I just say, phew! 495 00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:30,215 When we saw what Ted and shelley had together, 496 00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:34,186 we said, "oh no, we gotta do this relationship." 497 00:22:34,252 --> 00:22:38,824 Ted and I understood what they were writing right away. 498 00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:42,461 If you'll admit that you are carrying 499 00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:45,363 a little torch for me, 500 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:48,967 I'll admit that i'm carrying a little one for you. 501 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:52,704 Well, I aam carrying a little torch for you. 502 00:22:52,771 --> 00:22:54,573 Well, 503 00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:56,742 I'm not carrying one for you. 504 00:22:56,808 --> 00:23:01,813 Diane knew how to tease Sam. Sam knew how to tease Diane. 505 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,416 And I guess we knew how to tease the audience. 506 00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,086 This incredible chemistry 507 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:09,988 between the two of them ignited the show. 508 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,257 And that's what drove the show for the first five years. 509 00:23:12,324 --> 00:23:13,525 Oh, I'm devastated. 510 00:23:13,592 --> 00:23:15,260 I need something expeditious 511 00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:17,596 and brutal to numb my sensibilities 512 00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:19,731 and blast me into sweet oblivion. 513 00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:20,832 How about a boilermaker? 514 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,300 Make it a mimosa. 515 00:23:22,367 --> 00:23:26,204 We had the luck to be able to rotate cast 516 00:23:26,271 --> 00:23:29,908 and every time we put somebody in, there were explosions. 517 00:23:32,344 --> 00:23:35,213 Bwah! 518 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,618 There was something very special about that setting, 519 00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:44,322 those characters, that I never got tired of writing that show. 520 00:23:44,389 --> 00:23:46,925 Sophisticated surveys, telephonic samplings, 521 00:23:46,992 --> 00:23:48,960 test audiences, all of those things 522 00:23:49,027 --> 00:23:50,962 help to separate winners from losers 523 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:52,831 and make midcourse corrections. 524 00:23:52,898 --> 00:23:55,867 But you can't cut all comedies from the same cookie cutters. 525 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:59,271 All you can hope is that every night turns out like Thursday. 526 00:23:59,337 --> 00:24:00,839 Yo, Angela! 527 00:24:00,906 --> 00:24:02,707 Larry, Larry. 528 00:24:02,774 --> 00:24:03,942 Next... 529 00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:05,944 How rude. 530 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:10,415 He's quick, I'll give him that. 531 00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:11,616 All of television said, 532 00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:15,253 "oh, well, maybe the sitcoms are alive again." 533 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,557 And that's all that it took. It took one success. 534 00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:19,591 A few years from now, 535 00:24:19,658 --> 00:24:21,226 something new may tempt the people 536 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:22,494 who pick what we see. 537 00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,296 But it's a very safe guess that whatever gets hot 538 00:24:24,362 --> 00:24:26,832 for a season or two, the men and women who create 539 00:24:26,898 --> 00:24:28,300 good television comedy 540 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,202 will be laughing all the way to the bank. 541 00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:41,213 This is my last broadcast 542 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,782 as the anchorman of the "CBS evening news." 543 00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:46,484 For me it's a moment for which I long have planned, 544 00:24:46,551 --> 00:24:49,287 but which nevertheless comes with some sadness. 545 00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:51,022 For almost two decades after all, 546 00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:53,758 we've been meeting like this in the evenings and I'll miss that. 547 00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:57,729 And that's the way it is, Friday, march 6, 1981. 548 00:24:57,796 --> 00:24:59,231 I'll be away on assignment 549 00:24:59,297 --> 00:25:02,133 and Dan rather will be sitting in here for the next few years. 550 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,401 Good night. 551 00:25:03,468 --> 00:25:07,038 Uncle Walter had dominated certainly CBS, 552 00:25:07,105 --> 00:25:08,874 but in a way the country. 553 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:10,275 People used to say 554 00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:13,111 that he was the most trusted man in the country. 555 00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:15,046 Once Walter cronkite retires, 556 00:25:15,113 --> 00:25:17,148 all three network news anchors 557 00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:18,583 within a period of a couple of years 558 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:20,051 switch over to a new generation. 559 00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:22,187 The '80s may have been the last gasp 560 00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:25,957 where people watching the media liked and trusted the media. 561 00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:29,261 Nuclear arms and how to prevent global destruction 562 00:25:29,327 --> 00:25:30,996 are expected to be the major topic 563 00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:33,098 of President Reagan's news conference tonight. 564 00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:35,066 That conference will be nationally televised 565 00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:36,134 within the hour. 566 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:37,836 Lesley stahl is at the white house. 567 00:25:37,903 --> 00:25:39,804 The white house is hoping that tomorrow's... 568 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:42,207 In the '80s, women came into the newsroom. 569 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:46,011 When I first joined, it was '72 and there were very few. 570 00:25:46,077 --> 00:25:49,080 By the '80s, there were more and more. 571 00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:50,382 The decade of the '80s 572 00:25:50,448 --> 00:25:52,450 was still a time of sink or swim. 573 00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:54,653 You had to be resilient in your own way 574 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:58,156 to survive in a period when you were going up against 575 00:25:58,223 --> 00:26:01,793 a lot of people who still didn't think women had what it took. 576 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:04,329 These are some of the most famous faces in broadcasting, 577 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:06,131 all of whom happen to be women. 578 00:26:06,197 --> 00:26:08,733 The best producers, I'm gonna get fired - 579 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,770 the best producers at CBS news are women. 580 00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:14,940 And they are at the level of taking hold 581 00:26:15,006 --> 00:26:17,375 and making decisions about individual pieces. 582 00:26:17,442 --> 00:26:19,244 They're not yet executive producers 583 00:26:19,311 --> 00:26:22,047 of all the news shows, but they will be. 584 00:26:22,113 --> 00:26:23,982 For the past 24 hours, 585 00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:26,217 Christine craft has taken her cause 586 00:26:26,284 --> 00:26:29,054 to many of the nation's news and talk programs. 587 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,089 I didn't set out to be Joan of arc. 588 00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:34,359 But I think that what happened to me deserves some attention. 589 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:37,796 Christine craft had a very successful career, 590 00:26:37,862 --> 00:26:39,898 but there she was in her late 30s 591 00:26:39,965 --> 00:26:41,900 and the TV station said to her, 592 00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:45,203 we're taking you off the air because you've gotten older 593 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,272 and you're not as attractive as you once were, 594 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:48,707 which was outrageous. 595 00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:50,909 And she decided to make an issue of it. 596 00:26:50,976 --> 00:26:52,610 She filed a lawsuit 597 00:26:52,677 --> 00:26:55,780 and it became a huge national topic of discussion. 598 00:26:55,847 --> 00:26:58,883 A jury said she got a raw deal because she is a woman. 599 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,653 And so women in television news everywhere were asked, 600 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,521 what do you think about Christine craft? 601 00:27:03,588 --> 00:27:05,423 I think unfortunately in recent years, 602 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:07,258 the emphasis has been increasingly 603 00:27:07,325 --> 00:27:10,528 on physical appearance and to the extent this decision 604 00:27:10,595 --> 00:27:13,365 helped swing the emphasis back to substance 605 00:27:13,431 --> 00:27:14,699 and to good journalism, 606 00:27:14,766 --> 00:27:16,735 I think we've got something to be happy about. 607 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:19,871 It was important to make the point that what mattered 608 00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:21,740 was what kind of reporter are you? 609 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:24,242 But it took the Christine craft incident, 610 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:27,912 I think, to bring that conversation out into the open. 611 00:27:27,979 --> 00:27:29,447 This coming Sunday, 612 00:27:29,514 --> 00:27:32,851 a new television network opens for business - CNN. 613 00:27:32,917 --> 00:27:34,619 Cable news network. 614 00:27:34,686 --> 00:27:36,321 You're throwing all the dice on this one? 615 00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:38,857 Why not? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 616 00:27:38,923 --> 00:27:40,625 Faint heart never won fair lady. 617 00:27:40,692 --> 00:27:42,894 Well on that original point, Mr. Turner, 618 00:27:42,961 --> 00:27:44,295 thank you very much indeed. 619 00:27:44,362 --> 00:27:47,665 I wanted to see what was going on in the world. 620 00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:49,834 And there was no way that you could do it 621 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:52,137 watching the regular television stations. 622 00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:55,106 The news only comes on at 6:00 and 10:00. 623 00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:57,442 But if there was news on 24 hours, 624 00:27:57,509 --> 00:27:59,344 people could watch it any time. 625 00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:03,214 We sign on on June 1 and barring satellite problems 626 00:28:03,281 --> 00:28:05,050 in the future, we won't be signing off 627 00:28:05,116 --> 00:28:06,785 until the world ends. 628 00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:08,086 There was a widespread belief 629 00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:09,487 this was a fool's errand. 630 00:28:09,554 --> 00:28:12,123 How can this possibly find an audience? 631 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,859 Well, he did. 632 00:28:14,926 --> 00:28:17,162 Ready camera three. One center up. 633 00:28:17,228 --> 00:28:18,663 Good evening. I'm David Walker. 634 00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:20,732 And I'm Lois harp. Now here's the news. 635 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,200 President Carter has arrived... 636 00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:25,804 Television news before this was stuff that had already happened. 637 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:27,505 For the first time, 638 00:28:27,572 --> 00:28:32,010 CNN brought the world to people in real time. 639 00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:35,680 CNN - the world's most important network. 640 00:28:35,747 --> 00:28:38,149 I didn't do cable news network 641 00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:40,118 because somebody told me it couldn't be done. 642 00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:42,487 I figured it was a very viable concept 643 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:44,322 and I went ahead and did it. 644 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:47,058 It was after we announced that we were going to do it 645 00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:49,327 that the detractors showed up. 646 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:52,764 Is cable news network just gonna be a new means 647 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:54,265 of delivering the same kind of fare? 648 00:28:54,332 --> 00:28:55,767 No. 649 00:28:55,834 --> 00:28:58,503 It already does provide different fare 650 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,572 and cable news network is a perfect 651 00:29:00,638 --> 00:29:03,408 and maybe the best example of that. 652 00:29:03,475 --> 00:29:06,644 People love news and we had lots of it. 653 00:29:06,711 --> 00:29:08,746 And the other guys had not very much. 654 00:29:08,813 --> 00:29:12,250 So choice and quantity won out. 655 00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:14,018 New York City, hello. 656 00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:17,555 A major catastrophe in america's space program... 657 00:29:17,622 --> 00:29:20,725 I'm Lou dobbs along with financial editor myron kandel. 658 00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:24,028 Jessica mcclure trapped for almost three days now 659 00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:25,930 in a dry artesian well. 660 00:29:25,997 --> 00:29:27,699 The iron curtain between east Germany 661 00:29:27,765 --> 00:29:30,268 and west Berlin has come tumbling down. 662 00:29:30,335 --> 00:29:33,204 Good evening I'm pat Buchanan the conservative in "crossfire." 663 00:29:33,271 --> 00:29:36,407 The American people appreciated the new television. 664 00:29:36,474 --> 00:29:40,245 They certainly came to - came to CNN in droves. 665 00:29:40,311 --> 00:29:44,048 Mr. Gorbachev and I both agree on the desirability of freer 666 00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:47,685 and more extensive personal contact between the peoples 667 00:29:47,752 --> 00:29:50,355 of the Soviet union and the United States. 668 00:29:50,421 --> 00:29:53,491 We began to realize that the best way 669 00:29:53,558 --> 00:29:56,427 to get a message to a foreign leader was to have the president 670 00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:58,997 go in the Rose garden and make a statement. 671 00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:01,733 Because everybody was watching CNN. 672 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,803 CNN was a breakthrough. It changed the whole world. 673 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:08,907 It changed quickly, the network news business. 674 00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:11,442 That business that we weren't the only ones. 675 00:30:11,509 --> 00:30:12,877 And it was hard, you know. 676 00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:15,680 It's hard to be on the top little perch 677 00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:17,982 and have to come down off it. 678 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:21,252 A special segment tonight, the network news. 679 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,489 The first in a twopart series on the profound changes 680 00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:26,658 taking place in television news. 681 00:30:26,724 --> 00:30:29,427 Changes being brought about by business, competition, 682 00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:30,962 and technology. 683 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:32,931 There are a variety of reasons why people who worked 684 00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:36,067 at the broadcast networks were freaked out in the 1980s. 685 00:30:36,134 --> 00:30:39,003 One of them was CNN and the rise of cable. 686 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:41,573 Another was being taken over 687 00:30:41,639 --> 00:30:44,442 by foreign entities in corporate america. 688 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:48,079 New owners spent billions buying the networks recently, 689 00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:50,448 and all of them want their money's worth. 690 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:54,018 People began to find out that news could be a profit center. 691 00:30:54,085 --> 00:30:56,187 And that focused a lot of attention on us. 692 00:30:56,254 --> 00:30:58,823 A lot from people in wall street, for instance. 693 00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:03,194 If you think about the news divisions of CBS, nbc and abc, 694 00:31:03,261 --> 00:31:05,797 they were part of a really proud tradition, 695 00:31:05,863 --> 00:31:07,932 a journalistic tradition that really matters. 696 00:31:07,999 --> 00:31:09,000 We serve the public. 697 00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:11,236 This is not about profit and loss. 698 00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:13,304 And the people who worked at those news divisions 699 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:16,074 were totally freaked out by what it meant 700 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:19,677 that they were now owned by these larger corporate entities. 701 00:31:19,744 --> 00:31:22,213 If the television news isn't profitable at some point, 702 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,682 there won't be any more television news on the networks. 703 00:31:24,749 --> 00:31:26,751 I worry about people who are interested only in money 704 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:28,620 and power getting ahold of television. 705 00:31:28,686 --> 00:31:30,555 It has higher purposes than that. 706 00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:33,157 We have seen the news and it is us. 707 00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:46,404 Sometimes ambition in a woman 708 00:31:46,471 --> 00:31:49,307 is considered to be a dirty word unfortunately. 709 00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:51,276 I don't hear a lot of female voices 710 00:31:51,342 --> 00:31:53,411 reverberating in the halls of power in this business. 711 00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:55,647 Well I'm surprised there aren't more shows about women 712 00:31:55,713 --> 00:31:57,315 that are talking about who they are. 713 00:31:57,382 --> 00:31:59,017 Directing seems to be an area 714 00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:01,552 that is almost impossible to break through. 715 00:32:01,619 --> 00:32:04,922 I think the '80s were the era 716 00:32:04,989 --> 00:32:07,959 when women were being looked at 717 00:32:08,026 --> 00:32:09,927 with a little skepticism, 718 00:32:09,994 --> 00:32:13,731 but definitely with more acceptability. 719 00:32:13,798 --> 00:32:19,537 You could see the door opening, but it wasn't wide open. 720 00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,839 "Cagney & Lacey" was huge. 721 00:32:21,906 --> 00:32:24,709 That there would be two women and they had a serious job 722 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:27,245 and they solved crimes and they were out on the streets. 723 00:32:27,312 --> 00:32:28,546 They were tough. 724 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:31,649 That was emblematic or maybe out in front a little 725 00:32:31,716 --> 00:32:33,651 of what was actually happening in the country. 726 00:32:33,718 --> 00:32:36,988 So, we're a terrific team. This is true. 727 00:32:37,055 --> 00:32:38,923 What do you say we go out and celebrate how terrific we are? 728 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:42,493 There had been by that point hundreds of buddy cop shows, 729 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,529 but these buddies were women. 730 00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:46,597 That had never been done before. 731 00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:49,500 I didn't go after this job 732 00:32:49,567 --> 00:32:51,602 because I couldn't find anything else. 733 00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:54,272 All right? I did not come here because I needed 734 00:32:54,339 --> 00:32:56,641 some kind of work to help pay the orthodontist. 735 00:32:56,708 --> 00:32:57,709 This means something to me. 736 00:32:57,775 --> 00:32:59,277 What the hell are we talking about here? 737 00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:02,380 We didn't even realize that this was gonna be 738 00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:05,950 such a big deal, and strangely, 739 00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:08,586 all these guys would say to us, 740 00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:10,588 "well yeah, I mean, it's a good script, 741 00:33:10,655 --> 00:33:13,091 but who's gonna save them in the end?" 742 00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:15,226 All right, come on. We're taking you out of here. 743 00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:16,294 Come on. 744 00:33:16,361 --> 00:33:17,628 You're taking my wife?! 745 00:33:17,695 --> 00:33:20,198 You don't take one step. You understand me? 746 00:33:20,264 --> 00:33:22,667 Sergeant Nelson, you have until 8:00 tomorrow morning 747 00:33:22,734 --> 00:33:24,302 to turn yourself into iad. 748 00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:25,169 Phyllis! 749 00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,038 If you don't, I will. 750 00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:31,309 It was a time where you really saw an emergence of women 751 00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:34,445 on television who were not necessarily 752 00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:38,015 just 20 and blond and had a small role. 753 00:33:38,082 --> 00:33:39,951 But women who had substantial roles. 754 00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:52,130 It was unpredictable that an audience, 755 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:55,466 a young audience, a not so young audience 756 00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:59,570 and lots in between could relate to those older ladies. 757 00:33:59,637 --> 00:34:01,272 Ma, if you couldn't see, 758 00:34:01,339 --> 00:34:04,108 why didn't you call me to come get you? 759 00:34:04,175 --> 00:34:07,011 I tried to but every time I put in a dime and dialed, 760 00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:08,913 a condom popped out. 761 00:34:12,817 --> 00:34:15,620 I got five in my pocket. Here Dorothy. 762 00:34:17,088 --> 00:34:19,924 A lifetime supply. 763 00:34:19,991 --> 00:34:20,992 She was recently named 764 00:34:21,058 --> 00:34:22,460 along with Norman lear and Jim Brooks 765 00:34:22,527 --> 00:34:24,896 as one of television's most gifted creator/writers. 766 00:34:24,962 --> 00:34:27,632 And when you look back at the past women role models 767 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:31,035 on television, well it's easy to see Susan Harris' impact. 768 00:34:31,102 --> 00:34:34,505 Susan Harris was the greatest writer, in my opinion, 769 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,240 of her generation, of that time. 770 00:34:36,307 --> 00:34:38,242 Singularly, so, you know, 771 00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:40,845 all credit to her for coming up with so many iterations 772 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:42,613 of something so amazing. 773 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,217 Do you think there is a woman's voice as a writer? 774 00:34:46,284 --> 00:34:49,086 Woman's voice - well generally they speak higher, softer. 775 00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:52,256 I should have known not to ask that of a writer. 776 00:34:52,323 --> 00:34:55,426 Yes, of course, there's a woman's voice. 777 00:34:55,493 --> 00:34:57,762 Women have a different perspective. 778 00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:59,964 Women laugh at different things. 779 00:35:00,031 --> 00:35:02,667 So yes, they're very definitely is a woman's voice. 780 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:06,571 Oh, do you know how many problems we have solved 781 00:35:06,637 --> 00:35:09,674 over a cheesecake at this kitchen table? 782 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:11,175 No, Dorothy, exactly how many? 783 00:35:11,242 --> 00:35:13,411 147, Rose! 784 00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:15,379 Oh. 785 00:35:15,446 --> 00:35:18,449 Hi Bryant. It's cutthroat prime time time this fall 786 00:35:18,516 --> 00:35:20,218 as some 23 new shows compete 787 00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:22,787 in one of the hottest ratings races in years. 788 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:25,556 Here's one just about everybody predicts will be a big hit. 789 00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,692 "Designing women" on CBS. 790 00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:30,228 Four femmes forming an interior decorating business 791 00:35:30,294 --> 00:35:31,963 and giving each other the business. 792 00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:34,031 Suzanne, if sex were fast food, 793 00:35:34,098 --> 00:35:38,503 there'd be an arch over your bed. 794 00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:42,073 Linda bloodworththomason created one of the funniest, 795 00:35:42,139 --> 00:35:45,109 most unusual shows in "designing women." 796 00:35:45,176 --> 00:35:47,778 They were a different group of women 797 00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:50,815 than you really saw on television. 798 00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:53,417 They were feisty, they were sexy, 799 00:35:53,484 --> 00:35:58,489 and Linda's voice came through shining. 800 00:35:58,556 --> 00:36:00,491 A man can get away with anything. 801 00:36:00,558 --> 00:36:03,394 I mean, look at Reagan's neck. It sags down to here. 802 00:36:03,461 --> 00:36:05,930 Everybody raves about how great he looks. 803 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:08,366 Can you imagine if Nancy had that neck? 804 00:36:08,432 --> 00:36:11,068 They'd be putting her in a nursing home for turkeys. 805 00:36:17,074 --> 00:36:18,609 They'd given me this 23 minutes 806 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:20,878 to address whatever topic I want. 807 00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:22,747 And it's such a privilege. 808 00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:24,649 It's more than the president of the United States gets 809 00:36:24,715 --> 00:36:27,118 and it's kind of thrilling to have that every week. 810 00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:30,187 I would lying if I said I didn't put my opinions in the show. 811 00:36:30,254 --> 00:36:32,924 Excuse me, but you lovely ladies look like you're in need 812 00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:35,126 of a little male companionship here. 813 00:36:35,192 --> 00:36:37,862 Trust me when I tell you that you have completely 814 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:40,331 misassessed the situation at this table. 815 00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:43,634 All right. Moving onto scene b. 816 00:36:43,701 --> 00:36:45,870 I am a woman and I am a writer, 817 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:50,308 but I don't really enjoy being called a woman's writer. 818 00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:52,543 I think labels are harmful to us. 819 00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:54,412 With "Murphy brown," 820 00:36:54,478 --> 00:36:58,249 just about everything about that program felt new. 821 00:36:58,316 --> 00:37:00,551 The civil rights movement and the women's movement 822 00:37:00,618 --> 00:37:04,522 had just begun to sort of be reflected in the programming 823 00:37:04,589 --> 00:37:07,258 that you saw on television in the '80s. 824 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:09,961 Murphy, you know the dunfries club is for men only? 825 00:37:10,027 --> 00:37:12,296 And they have great dinners with great guests 826 00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:15,366 and I don't get to go for one reason and one reason only. 827 00:37:15,433 --> 00:37:19,103 And it has to do with something you've got and I don't. 828 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:24,208 A tiny, pathetic, little y chromosome. 829 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:29,914 "Murphy brown" was sea change because she was so popular 830 00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:33,250 and such a strong, independent, tough woman. 831 00:37:33,317 --> 00:37:35,519 No matter what you think of a guest or their views, 832 00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:37,788 you are obligated to ask the questions in a dignified manner. 833 00:37:37,855 --> 00:37:39,957 Jim, she was unprofessional, am I right? 834 00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:40,791 Well, I, uh... 835 00:37:40,858 --> 00:37:42,026 Do you believe this Jim? 836 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,462 He thinks it's neat that his office chair swivels 837 00:37:44,528 --> 00:37:46,430 and he's calling me unprofessional. 838 00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,611 You are in a good mood tonight. 839 00:38:00,678 --> 00:38:02,913 And I tell you, we have put a great show together. 840 00:38:02,980 --> 00:38:04,849 It'll be on a week from Thursday. 841 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:09,253 Johnny Carson in the '80s is making the transition 842 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,755 from being the king of late night 843 00:38:10,821 --> 00:38:12,423 to being a national treasure. 844 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:15,926 He was a throwback to that old show biz stuff. 845 00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:17,328 I haven't been on with you for some time. 846 00:38:17,395 --> 00:38:18,763 You, you've been... It's been a long time. 847 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:20,331 Yeah, well, you've been busy with other things. 848 00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:21,799 That's - 849 00:38:24,068 --> 00:38:27,038 The tide is starting to turn in terms of 850 00:38:27,104 --> 00:38:28,806 where latenight television is gonna go. 851 00:38:28,873 --> 00:38:30,741 But Johnny is kind of holding out. 852 00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:34,812 He was not necessarily of his time in the '80s. 853 00:38:34,879 --> 00:38:38,049 But he did sustain a certain timelessness. 854 00:38:38,115 --> 00:38:39,383 He's the king. 855 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:40,885 On your chair. 856 00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:46,857 Whoa! 857 00:38:46,924 --> 00:38:49,360 Hyah! 858 00:38:49,427 --> 00:38:50,695 He's all right. He's just playing. 859 00:38:50,761 --> 00:38:51,962 Playing my 860 00:38:53,764 --> 00:38:57,301 my next guest not only has a college degree, 861 00:38:57,368 --> 00:39:00,271 but he also has a highschool degree. 862 00:39:00,337 --> 00:39:01,038 That's right, I do. 863 00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,339 As well, unhuh. 864 00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,339 Yes. 865 00:39:02,406 --> 00:39:03,941 He's hosted "the tonight show" practically as often 866 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:07,411 as Johnny Carson and now he has his very own show, 867 00:39:07,478 --> 00:39:11,082 weekday mornings at 10:00 on nbc. 868 00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:12,950 Ladies and gentleman what you're witnessing here 869 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,120 is a good idea gone awry. 870 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,022 Yes, and a funfilled surprise 871 00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:22,059 turning into an incredible screw up right here. 872 00:39:22,126 --> 00:39:25,963 David letterman originally had a onehour daytime show. 873 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:30,534 And nbc, after like 13 weeks, decided to cancel it. 874 00:39:30,601 --> 00:39:32,269 Today is our last show on the air. 875 00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:33,804 Monday, Las Vegas. 876 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:38,909 Have these people been frisked before they... 877 00:39:38,976 --> 00:39:41,512 It was a dismal failure in terms of the ratings. 878 00:39:41,579 --> 00:39:44,749 But not in terms of introducing us to letterman. 879 00:39:44,815 --> 00:39:46,751 David, thank you for being with us tonight. 880 00:39:46,817 --> 00:39:48,719 Thank you very much for having me, I appreciate it. 881 00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:50,621 And in spite of all this nonsense 882 00:39:50,688 --> 00:39:53,157 that goes around in the background, stay with it. 883 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,092 Don't give up. And stay with us here in New York. 884 00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:56,127 We like having you. 885 00:39:56,193 --> 00:39:57,495 I like being here. Thank you very much. 886 00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,865 Dave is back in New York. You're going to host 887 00:40:00,931 --> 00:40:04,568 a latenight television program that premieres Monday night. 888 00:40:04,635 --> 00:40:07,238 What are, what are critics likely to say Tuesday morning? 889 00:40:07,304 --> 00:40:10,474 I don't much care because I found a way to deal with that - 890 00:40:10,541 --> 00:40:11,475 pills and whiskey. 891 00:40:16,981 --> 00:40:18,249 You're on. 892 00:40:18,315 --> 00:40:21,051 Oh, I'm on. I'm sorry, I was enjoying listening to you snort. 893 00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:26,524 They gave him the "late night" show after "the tonight show," 894 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:27,892 and at the time, people thought, 895 00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:30,728 who's gonna watch television at 12:30 at night? 896 00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:32,329 Who's up? I'll tell you who's up. 897 00:40:32,396 --> 00:40:34,532 Young people. College people. 898 00:40:34,598 --> 00:40:36,500 Is it going well? I know this is the first show 899 00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,169 and I think this guy needs a little support. 900 00:40:38,235 --> 00:40:39,370 Dave letterman. 901 00:40:39,436 --> 00:40:41,906 He was antiestablishment at his core. 902 00:40:41,972 --> 00:40:46,744 He was thumbing his nose to any existing social structures. 903 00:40:46,811 --> 00:40:48,679 Who are those women out there, by the way? 904 00:40:46,811 --> 00:40:48,679 Neighbors. 905 00:40:48,746 --> 00:40:52,850 I'll get rid of them. Hey, excuse me. 906 00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:56,687 Just keep it moving, come on. 907 00:40:56,754 --> 00:41:01,025 He kind of spoofed the whole notion of talk shows. 908 00:41:01,091 --> 00:41:02,960 It's the "late night" guest cam. 909 00:41:03,027 --> 00:41:05,963 Please say hello to Tom Hanks. Here he is. 910 00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:10,267 No one can go on the "David letterman show" 911 00:41:10,334 --> 00:41:12,903 and try to steer it towards a point of view 912 00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:14,471 or push something in particular. 913 00:41:14,538 --> 00:41:15,973 He just wouldn't stand for it. 914 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,875 You're on to do one thing and one thing only - 915 00:41:17,942 --> 00:41:19,643 be as funny as the rest of the show. 916 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,112 You know, we could get in a two shot here, Dave. 917 00:41:22,179 --> 00:41:24,548 We could actually send the crew home, couldn't we? 918 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:29,119 You know, as a comedian, 919 00:41:29,186 --> 00:41:31,255 you want the biggest audience that you could get. 920 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,057 For Dave, he knew a lot of things 921 00:41:33,123 --> 00:41:35,559 that he would do were gonna alienate people. 922 00:41:35,626 --> 00:41:36,460 And he didn't care. 923 00:41:36,527 --> 00:41:38,062 He wanted his thumbprint out there 924 00:41:38,128 --> 00:41:40,197 and that's the most important thing. 925 00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:43,067 It's time for "small town news." Paul? 926 00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:44,869 Excuse me. Paul? Do you have any - 927 00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:46,337 do you have any accompanying music here 928 00:41:46,403 --> 00:41:48,839 for "small town news"? 929 00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:51,008 Paul shaffer, ladies and gentlemen. 930 00:41:51,075 --> 00:41:53,711 The show making fun of itself and turning itself 931 00:41:53,777 --> 00:41:57,214 inside out that way was something kind of new. 932 00:41:57,281 --> 00:41:58,649 I mean, don't we look like guys 933 00:41:58,716 --> 00:41:59,950 that you'd see hanging around together? 934 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,685 Absolutely. 935 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,685 Would you like to hang around with me? 936 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,685 Absolutely. 937 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,685 Would you like to hang around with me? 938 00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:02,853 Nope. 939 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,089 I've said it before and I'll say it again. 940 00:42:05,155 --> 00:42:07,858 This is the stupidest show I've... 941 00:42:07,925 --> 00:42:10,394 I thought that I would never want to do this show with you. 942 00:42:10,461 --> 00:42:11,362 Now why? 943 00:42:11,428 --> 00:42:13,330 Because you thought I was a... 944 00:42:13,397 --> 00:42:14,565 An 945 00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:19,904 there's one rule I keep trying to abide by 946 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:23,407 and unfortunately I only get to it about 12% of the time. 947 00:42:23,474 --> 00:42:25,976 And that is, it's only television. 948 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:28,479 We're not doing cancer research. 949 00:42:28,545 --> 00:42:31,448 If the 40 yearodd history of commercial broadcasting 950 00:42:31,515 --> 00:42:34,618 has taught us one thing, there's nothing sacred about television. 951 00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:36,587 All right. Steven is upstairs. 952 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:41,358 Hey Dave, I was just curious, 953 00:42:41,425 --> 00:42:43,694 is there any way I can get mtv on this... 954 00:42:43,761 --> 00:42:46,330 Actually, Steve, that's a - that's just a monitor 955 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,399 and all you can get on that is our show. 956 00:42:48,465 --> 00:42:50,434 Oh. That's okay. 957 00:42:50,501 --> 00:42:53,470 There was a degree of cynicism 958 00:42:53,537 --> 00:42:55,739 that was needed in the art form at that time. 959 00:42:55,806 --> 00:42:56,941 And it's a cynicism 960 00:42:57,007 --> 00:42:59,276 that just became common sense after a while. 961 00:42:59,343 --> 00:43:00,477 Because it never got old. 962 00:43:00,544 --> 00:43:03,147 I've watched Johnny Carson, 963 00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:06,317 and you are no Johnny Carson. 964 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:14,625 Good day, welcome to the great white north Canadian corner. 965 00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:16,260 I'm Bob McKenzie, this is my brother Doug. 966 00:43:16,327 --> 00:43:19,163 And today we got a real big show 'cause we got a... 967 00:43:19,229 --> 00:43:20,931 There was a second city Chicago company, 968 00:43:20,998 --> 00:43:23,334 there was a second city Toronto company. 969 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,504 The Toronto one is the one that fueled the sctv series, 970 00:43:27,571 --> 00:43:31,108 which originally was syndicated and got to the states that way. 971 00:43:31,175 --> 00:43:33,844 Hail Caesar! 972 00:43:33,911 --> 00:43:35,079 Hail, hail. 973 00:43:35,145 --> 00:43:36,780 Thank you very much for that marvelous reception. 974 00:43:36,847 --> 00:43:39,383 I particularly want to thank my supporters over there 975 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,952 in the caesarian section. 976 00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:45,422 It's healthy to be an outsider, you know, as a comedian. 977 00:43:45,489 --> 00:43:48,258 And Canadian are always outsiders 978 00:43:48,325 --> 00:43:50,761 but they're looking at the other culture, 979 00:43:50,828 --> 00:43:52,663 which is right next door to them. 980 00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:55,366 I love you Sammy maudlin! I want to bear your children! 981 00:43:56,867 --> 00:44:02,139 It was the type of comedy that had only been accessible 982 00:44:02,206 --> 00:44:04,308 if you could have gotten into the improv clubs 983 00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:05,909 in Chicago or Toronto. 984 00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,879 I had never seen anything like second city TV. 985 00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,748 James bridgeman, parkdale. 986 00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:14,818 Sorry, no, never mind. I'm sorry. 987 00:44:14,885 --> 00:44:17,955 It was far more conceptual in its humor 988 00:44:18,022 --> 00:44:19,790 because it didn't have to be performed 989 00:44:19,857 --> 00:44:21,291 in front of an audience. 990 00:44:21,358 --> 00:44:23,460 And there was also just the idea 991 00:44:23,527 --> 00:44:26,597 that it was this sort of lowrent thing. 992 00:44:26,663 --> 00:44:28,832 It was this sort of by the seat of their pants 993 00:44:28,899 --> 00:44:32,936 kind of operation that gave it an authenticity. 994 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:35,139 Now that our programming day has been extended, 995 00:44:35,205 --> 00:44:36,540 I'm gonna be spending a lot... 996 00:44:36,607 --> 00:44:39,109 Where do you want me to put the kielbasa Mrs. Prickley? 997 00:44:39,176 --> 00:44:40,411 Put it in the fridge, butch. 998 00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:42,112 You were rooting for the show 999 00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:43,981 and the characters that they had created. 1000 00:44:44,048 --> 00:44:47,384 There was just something that you got behind. 1001 00:44:47,451 --> 00:44:49,486 Whereas, you know, "snl" right from the - 1002 00:44:49,553 --> 00:44:52,523 from the gate and through the '80s 1003 00:44:52,589 --> 00:44:55,559 was this big enterprise. 1004 00:44:55,626 --> 00:44:57,828 After five golden years, 1005 00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:01,231 lorne decided to leave and so did those close to him, 1006 00:45:01,298 --> 00:45:05,235 including me, al franken. 1007 00:45:05,302 --> 00:45:08,172 So nbc had to pick a new producer. 1008 00:45:08,238 --> 00:45:10,874 Now most knowledgeable people, as you might imagine, 1009 00:45:10,941 --> 00:45:14,812 hoped it would be me, al franken. 1010 00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:16,146 There was a real question 1011 00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:18,215 of whether "Saturday night live" would continue at all 1012 00:45:18,282 --> 00:45:19,650 or whether it would just die. 1013 00:45:19,716 --> 00:45:21,585 The press hasn't been overly kind. 1014 00:45:21,652 --> 00:45:23,087 Yeah, I read that stuff. 1015 00:45:23,153 --> 00:45:24,988 "Saturday night live" is Saturday night dead. 1016 00:45:25,055 --> 00:45:27,558 Oh, man, come on. Geez. 1017 00:45:27,624 --> 00:45:29,059 From yucks to yech. 1018 00:45:30,294 --> 00:45:32,229 My favorite, though, is "vile from New York." 1019 00:45:32,296 --> 00:45:33,430 Please, bill, come on. 1020 00:45:33,497 --> 00:45:34,898 It's funny, it's funny. 1021 00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:36,400 They were having a hard time 1022 00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:39,203 and then came the man that saved the show, Eddie Murphy. 1023 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,442 There was buzz about him so you tuned in 1024 00:45:45,509 --> 00:45:48,412 and there was this kind of explosion of talent 1025 00:45:48,479 --> 00:45:49,680 in front of your eyes. 1026 00:45:49,746 --> 00:45:52,349 Hey! Too hot in the hot tub! 1027 00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:54,418 Burn myself! 1028 00:45:54,485 --> 00:45:57,020 It really kind of rejuvenated the show. 1029 00:45:57,087 --> 00:46:00,257 I am gumby, damn it! You don't talk to me that way. 1030 00:46:00,324 --> 00:46:01,959 After a while, 1031 00:46:02,025 --> 00:46:04,094 the show regained its status and its clout 1032 00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:07,064 and became even more of an institution than it had been. 1033 00:46:07,131 --> 00:46:08,132 Hey Bob. 1034 00:46:08,198 --> 00:46:11,268 Hey, penis looks great today. 1035 00:46:11,335 --> 00:46:13,504 Listen, Harry, if you're unhappy with my work, tell me now! 1036 00:46:13,570 --> 00:46:14,872 You're through, do you hear me? 1037 00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:16,573 Through! You'll never work in this town again. 1038 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,674 Don't leave me hanging by a thread! 1039 00:46:17,741 --> 00:46:19,076 Let me know where I stand! 1040 00:46:19,143 --> 00:46:22,746 We were a little worried at first because we had a new cast, 1041 00:46:22,813 --> 00:46:24,114 but everyone loves us. 1042 00:46:24,181 --> 00:46:26,517 You guys have been so nice to us during our stay. 1043 00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:28,018 Isn't that special? 1044 00:46:28,085 --> 00:46:29,520 I am hans. 1045 00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:33,457 And I am Franz. And we just want to pump you up! 1046 00:46:33,524 --> 00:46:35,325 A lot of things that they could do 1047 00:46:35,392 --> 00:46:38,762 on "Saturday night live" they couldn't do on a sitcom. 1048 00:46:38,829 --> 00:46:43,767 The humor was more daring and more satirical. 1049 00:46:43,834 --> 00:46:45,269 And it was political. 1050 00:46:45,335 --> 00:46:49,540 You still have, uh, 50 seconds left Mr. Vice president. 1051 00:46:49,606 --> 00:46:53,911 Well let me just sum up, on track, 1052 00:46:53,977 --> 00:46:58,282 stay the course, a thousand points of light. 1053 00:46:58,348 --> 00:46:59,550 Stay the course. 1054 00:46:59,616 --> 00:47:02,085 Governor dukakis, rebuttal? 1055 00:47:02,152 --> 00:47:04,188 I can't believe I'm losing to this guy. 1056 00:47:07,057 --> 00:47:08,325 I'll get it. Oh, geez. 1057 00:47:08,392 --> 00:47:09,793 It's garry shandling's show. 1058 00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:12,229 People were taking all the old principles of comedy 1059 00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:14,298 and trying to turn them into something new. 1060 00:47:14,364 --> 00:47:17,568 We spent years and years watching sitcoms and dramas 1061 00:47:17,634 --> 00:47:18,735 and talk shows by then. 1062 00:47:18,802 --> 00:47:20,904 We knew them by heart that if somebody 1063 00:47:20,971 --> 00:47:23,707 played on that and parodied it, we got it instantly. 1064 00:47:23,774 --> 00:47:26,443 Yeah, I appreciate you coming in under these conditions Lewis. 1065 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,879 I really do. You want to hold the credits. 1066 00:47:28,946 --> 00:47:30,914 Okay. Now, see, we were gonna show the credits 1067 00:47:30,981 --> 00:47:32,015 and you screwed that up, okay? 1068 00:47:32,082 --> 00:47:34,017 'Cause you're late. 1069 00:47:34,084 --> 00:47:37,321 "The garry shandling show" was aware of the fact 1070 00:47:37,387 --> 00:47:39,122 that it was a situation comedy. 1071 00:47:40,424 --> 00:47:43,660 It highlighted the cliches in funny ways. 1072 00:47:43,727 --> 00:47:45,262 Are you looking into the camera? 1073 00:47:45,329 --> 00:47:46,797 No. 1074 00:47:46,863 --> 00:47:47,831 No, I didn't. 1075 00:47:47,898 --> 00:47:48,832 Don't - don't look into the camera. 1076 00:47:48,899 --> 00:47:49,499 I didn't. 1077 00:47:48,899 --> 00:47:49,499 Don't. 1078 00:47:49,566 --> 00:47:50,734 I didn't. 1079 00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:52,002 You don't come in here and look in the camera. 1080 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:53,470 I didn't. 1081 00:47:53,537 --> 00:47:56,106 I'll bop you. 1082 00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:58,442 I will, if I see a tape of this show... 1083 00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,511 ...and you're looking into the c- 1084 00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,916 well, it's about that time. 1085 00:48:05,983 --> 00:48:07,618 "Peewee's playhouse" on CBS, 1086 00:48:07,684 --> 00:48:09,686 a socalled Saturday morning kids show 1087 00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:12,122 that adults could watch and wink at each other 1088 00:48:12,189 --> 00:48:14,124 as they were watching it. It was very clever. 1089 00:48:14,191 --> 00:48:15,525 Haha! Morning conky. 1090 00:48:15,592 --> 00:48:16,827 What's today's secret word? 1091 00:48:18,395 --> 00:48:20,864 Today's secret word is good! 1092 00:48:20,931 --> 00:48:24,534 It was a show certainly for kids 1093 00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:27,871 and it was for stoned baby boomers 1094 00:48:27,938 --> 00:48:31,174 who were totally wasted on Saturday morning 1095 00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:33,277 and watched "peewee's playhouse" 1096 00:48:33,343 --> 00:48:34,177 and saw god. 1097 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:35,679 I sure had a lot of fun. 1098 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,281 See you all real soon. 1099 00:48:37,347 --> 00:48:40,117 Until then, everybody be good! 1100 00:48:40,183 --> 00:48:41,485 Haha! 1101 00:48:54,231 --> 00:48:57,567 1968, the summer before junior high school. 1102 00:48:57,634 --> 00:49:02,773 And I don't mind saying I was a pretty fair little athlete. 1103 00:49:02,839 --> 00:49:06,143 "The wonder years" was a guy in modern times 1104 00:49:06,209 --> 00:49:08,011 looking back on his childhood. 1105 00:49:08,078 --> 00:49:09,646 That in itself is not new, 1106 00:49:09,713 --> 00:49:13,317 but "the wonder years" did it with a wit and with the music. 1107 00:49:13,383 --> 00:49:17,888 It was a brilliantly written show and a great performance 1108 00:49:17,954 --> 00:49:19,623 by that entire young cast. 1109 00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:20,924 Hey, Steve. 1110 00:49:20,991 --> 00:49:22,626 It looks like my baby brother 1111 00:49:22,693 --> 00:49:25,128 and his girlfriend have found each other. 1112 00:49:26,063 --> 00:49:28,031 She's not my girlfriend. 1113 00:49:28,098 --> 00:49:31,201 Kevin Arnold has to cope with all the timeless problems 1114 00:49:31,268 --> 00:49:33,136 of growing up during one of the most turbulent times 1115 00:49:33,203 --> 00:49:34,438 that we have known. 1116 00:49:34,504 --> 00:49:37,574 Kevin Arnold is just like a regular kid 1117 00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:39,242 except in the 1960s. 1118 00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:42,713 And he's not really aware of many of the events. 1119 00:49:42,779 --> 00:49:44,348 Like in one of the episodes, 1120 00:49:44,414 --> 00:49:47,751 the whole family's watching the Apollo 8 take off. 1121 00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:50,587 But I'm just sitting there trying to call a girl. 1122 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:53,323 The first episode of "the wonder years," 1123 00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:56,460 anybody who saw it remembers the ending 1124 00:49:56,526 --> 00:49:59,096 where, you know - the first kiss 1125 00:49:59,162 --> 00:50:01,231 with winnie and Kevin Arnold. 1126 00:50:01,298 --> 00:50:04,101 The song that they play is "when a man loves a woman." 1127 00:50:04,167 --> 00:50:08,438 That moment seemed so pure and so real. 1128 00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:19,349 The tone of the baby boomers of the 1960s is about rebellion, 1129 00:50:19,416 --> 00:50:20,650 about being students. 1130 00:50:20,717 --> 00:50:22,886 By the 1980s, it's time to grow up. 1131 00:50:22,953 --> 00:50:25,188 And so they shave their beards, 1132 00:50:25,255 --> 00:50:27,891 give up their dashikis, and they put on power suits - 1133 00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:28,859 a whole new notion. 1134 00:50:28,925 --> 00:50:30,260 Ah, the yuppies. 1135 00:50:30,327 --> 00:50:31,428 Last year the politicians 1136 00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:33,063 were all talking about winning their votes. 1137 00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:35,031 Now those young, urban professionals 1138 00:50:35,098 --> 00:50:37,334 and the rest of their baby boom generation 1139 00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:40,137 are being wooed by advertisers and their agencies. 1140 00:50:40,203 --> 00:50:41,538 By the '80s, 1141 00:50:41,605 --> 00:50:43,874 it was pretty clear that the generation 1142 00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,575 after the generation of the '60s 1143 00:50:45,642 --> 00:50:48,745 may be embodied by Alex Keaton on "family ties." 1144 00:50:48,812 --> 00:50:51,114 Soon to be a lot more interested in the corner office 1145 00:50:51,181 --> 00:50:52,849 than the new Jerusalem. 1146 00:50:52,916 --> 00:50:54,117 You're a young man. 1147 00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:56,620 You shouldn't be worried about success. 1148 00:50:56,686 --> 00:50:59,656 You should be thinking about hopping on a tramp steamer 1149 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,191 and going around the world. 1150 00:51:01,258 --> 00:51:03,860 The '60s are over, dad. 1151 00:51:03,927 --> 00:51:05,362 Thanks for the tip. 1152 00:51:05,429 --> 00:51:09,065 You weren't laughing at Michael j. Fox's character 1153 00:51:09,132 --> 00:51:10,567 for being too conservative. 1154 00:51:10,634 --> 00:51:13,570 You were actually laughing at the parents 1155 00:51:13,637 --> 00:51:16,006 for being too hopelessly liberal. 1156 00:51:16,072 --> 00:51:18,742 What is this? I found it in the shower. 1157 00:51:18,809 --> 00:51:20,811 That's generic brand shampoo. 1158 00:51:20,877 --> 00:51:22,412 Ah! 1159 00:51:22,479 --> 00:51:26,149 This is him. This is the guy I've been telling you about. 1160 00:51:26,216 --> 00:51:28,285 This is everything you'd want in a president. 1161 00:51:28,351 --> 00:51:30,720 The genius of "family ties" is it allows 1162 00:51:30,787 --> 00:51:32,889 a kind of youthful reaganite to emerge 1163 00:51:32,956 --> 00:51:34,191 that's focused more on the future, 1164 00:51:34,257 --> 00:51:36,326 that's focused more on the a critique of the '60s. 1165 00:51:36,393 --> 00:51:39,796 Michael j. Fox as Alex Keaton 1166 00:51:39,863 --> 00:51:43,266 really became the center of the show. 1167 00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:46,803 And writers were smart enough to see 1168 00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:51,074 that they had something special and they wrote to that. 1169 00:51:51,141 --> 00:51:53,210 It's not fair, Alex. 1170 00:51:53,276 --> 00:51:54,344 Yeah. 1171 00:51:54,411 --> 00:51:56,246 There's nothing you can do about it, Jen. 1172 00:51:56,313 --> 00:51:59,249 My advice to you is that you just enjoy 1173 00:51:59,316 --> 00:52:01,718 being a child for as long as you can. 1174 00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:03,553 I know I did. 1175 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:06,022 It's the best two weeks of my life. 1176 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:09,493 Alex is a little bill Buckley. 1177 00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,128 He - the wall street journal is his Bible. 1178 00:52:13,196 --> 00:52:15,031 He has a tie to go with his pajamas. 1179 00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:19,169 He's very conservative and a very intense 17yearold. 1180 00:52:19,236 --> 00:52:20,804 Now the first thing your teacher's gonna ask 1181 00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:22,138 is what you did over the summer. 1182 00:52:22,205 --> 00:52:24,274 Now, a lot of kids are gonna say, I went to the zoo. 1183 00:52:24,341 --> 00:52:26,776 Or I went to the beach. Or I went to a baseball game. 1184 00:52:26,843 --> 00:52:27,777 What are you gonna say? 1185 00:52:27,844 --> 00:52:29,946 I watched the Iran contra hearings. 1186 00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:34,251 If mom and dad thought this generation 1187 00:52:34,317 --> 00:52:36,253 was going to the dogs, think again. 1188 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:37,754 This is the generation 1189 00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:40,056 that has discovered hard work and success. 1190 00:52:40,123 --> 00:52:42,259 American culture is changing in the '80s. 1191 00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:43,560 And in terms of television, 1192 00:52:43,627 --> 00:52:45,428 there's a whole notion of demographic segmentation. 1193 00:52:45,495 --> 00:52:49,633 Networks were beginning to not be afraid 1194 00:52:49,699 --> 00:52:53,470 to appeal to a very specific demographic. 1195 00:52:53,537 --> 00:52:56,206 Hi, handsome. Look at that shirt. 1196 00:52:56,273 --> 00:52:57,474 Is that a power shirt or what? 1197 00:52:57,541 --> 00:52:59,709 Nice suit Ellen, good shoulder pads. 1198 00:52:59,776 --> 00:53:01,444 You looking to get drafted by the eagles? 1199 00:53:02,846 --> 00:53:04,881 "Thirtysomething" said, we're not gonna have cops, 1200 00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:05,916 lawyers, or doctors. 1201 00:53:05,982 --> 00:53:07,183 We're just gonna be about people. 1202 00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:09,953 What are we doing here? Why did we start this business? 1203 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:11,454 To do our thing. 1204 00:53:11,521 --> 00:53:13,356 But right now we got two wives, 1205 00:53:13,423 --> 00:53:16,092 three kids, four cars, 1206 00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:18,161 two mortgages, a payroll. 1207 00:53:18,228 --> 00:53:19,629 And that's life, pal. 1208 00:53:19,696 --> 00:53:21,565 You be the breadwinner now. 1209 00:53:21,631 --> 00:53:23,600 Is that what I am? 1210 00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:25,802 "Thirtysomething" is a very important show 1211 00:53:25,869 --> 00:53:28,872 as you're going into this era of television 1212 00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:30,607 being more introspective and more emotional. 1213 00:53:30,674 --> 00:53:32,075 And some people weren't buying it. 1214 00:53:32,142 --> 00:53:34,210 But for other people, when they were talking about things 1215 00:53:34,277 --> 00:53:37,614 like having kids and who was gonna go back to work 1216 00:53:37,681 --> 00:53:39,482 and some of these issues that hadn't been talked about 1217 00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:41,651 a whole lot, it was important to people. 1218 00:53:44,654 --> 00:53:46,323 I was so looking forward - 1219 00:53:46,389 --> 00:53:49,526 I was so looking forward to doing this, 1220 00:53:49,593 --> 00:53:52,228 to be a grownup for just an hour. 1221 00:53:52,295 --> 00:53:55,465 In the beginning, there was talk of this being 1222 00:53:55,532 --> 00:53:57,500 the yuppie show and you mentioned it tonight. 1223 00:53:57,567 --> 00:53:59,336 Youyou said that if there were a category 1224 00:53:59,402 --> 00:54:01,738 for the most annoying show, this might win as well. 1225 00:54:01,805 --> 00:54:03,707 No, what some people perceive as annoying 1226 00:54:03,773 --> 00:54:04,908 has nothing to do with yuppie. 1227 00:54:04,975 --> 00:54:07,277 I think yuppie is a word made up by demographers 1228 00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:08,712 and advertisers to sell soap. 1229 00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:10,947 I don't think it has anything to do with what the show is. 1230 00:54:11,014 --> 00:54:14,150 "Thirtysomething" was not a giant hit. 1231 00:54:14,217 --> 00:54:17,087 But it was a niche hit. 1232 00:54:17,153 --> 00:54:20,890 It attracted an enormously upscale group of advertisers. 1233 00:54:20,957 --> 00:54:23,226 The network cared who was watching, 1234 00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:24,661 not how many were watching. 1235 00:54:24,728 --> 00:54:26,930 And that was more and more catching on in the '80s. 1236 00:54:29,933 --> 00:54:32,435 The prosecution will ask you that you look to the law 1237 00:54:32,502 --> 00:54:35,505 and this you must do. 1238 00:54:35,572 --> 00:54:39,275 But I ask of you that you look to your hearts as well. 1239 00:54:39,342 --> 00:54:40,610 Thank you. 1240 00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:44,280 "L.A. law" was partly a classic lawyer show. 1241 00:54:44,347 --> 00:54:46,716 But it was intertwined with their personal lives 1242 00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:48,718 and different lawyers who were sleeping together 1243 00:54:48,785 --> 00:54:50,754 and trying to get ahead. 1244 00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:52,722 The reality level on that show 1245 00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:54,958 was like a foot or two off the ground. 1246 00:54:55,025 --> 00:54:57,260 And you were willing to go with that 1247 00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,829 because it was a whole new spin on a law show. 1248 00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:01,364 Unhunh, tell the truth. 1249 00:55:01,431 --> 00:55:03,466 If you had to do it all over again 1250 00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:05,201 and she walked into your office and she said, 1251 00:55:05,268 --> 00:55:06,636 take my case, would you? 1252 00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:08,104 Well... 1253 00:55:08,171 --> 00:55:12,776 Of course you would, because it is juicy, newsy, exciting stuff. 1254 00:55:12,842 --> 00:55:14,277 It was really fun 1255 00:55:14,344 --> 00:55:17,280 to take the "hill street blues" format 1256 00:55:17,347 --> 00:55:20,583 and use it to frame 1257 00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:25,088 an entirely different social and cultural strata 1258 00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:27,490 with vastly different results. 1259 00:55:27,557 --> 00:55:31,094 I wonder if I might engage with my client privately. 1260 00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:32,395 Certainly. 1261 00:55:32,462 --> 00:55:36,833 What are you doing for dinner tonight? 1262 00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:39,669 I was planning on having you. 1263 00:55:39,736 --> 00:55:42,105 In that case, skip lunch. 1264 00:55:42,172 --> 00:55:44,841 The formula had gotten established 1265 00:55:44,908 --> 00:55:46,810 of how you can do a dramatic show 1266 00:55:46,876 --> 00:55:49,579 and yet still have an awful lot of fun. 1267 00:55:49,646 --> 00:55:52,482 We didn't used to be able to accept that very easily 1268 00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:53,883 in a TV hour. 1269 00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:56,152 And even before the '80s are out, 1270 00:55:56,219 --> 00:55:57,620 it's like, "oh, okay, I get it. 1271 00:55:57,687 --> 00:55:59,923 You know, so it's like, all right, what are the rules now?" 1272 00:55:59,989 --> 00:56:01,291 What are you doing? I'm doing what I 1273 00:56:01,357 --> 00:56:02,892 should have done all along. ...Should have done all along. 1274 00:56:02,959 --> 00:56:04,327 What I wanted to do originally. ...Do originally. 1275 00:56:04,394 --> 00:56:05,161 What I should have done 1276 00:56:05,228 --> 00:56:06,029 last night. 1277 00:56:05,228 --> 00:56:06,029 ...last night. 1278 00:56:06,096 --> 00:56:07,297 Stop that David! Stop that David! 1279 00:56:07,363 --> 00:56:09,866 I'm calling the police, David! ...The police, David! 1280 00:56:11,134 --> 00:56:12,402 Hello, police? 1281 00:56:12,469 --> 00:56:14,971 The networks realized there was an audience 1282 00:56:15,038 --> 00:56:16,873 looking for something less predictable 1283 00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:18,808 than traditional primetime fare. 1284 00:56:20,243 --> 00:56:21,745 "Moonlighting" was another of those shows 1285 00:56:21,811 --> 00:56:23,646 that said, "okay, I see the formulas 1286 00:56:23,713 --> 00:56:24,814 that we've had up to here. 1287 00:56:24,881 --> 00:56:26,950 Let's do different things. 1288 00:56:30,019 --> 00:56:30,787 Hello. 1289 00:56:30,854 --> 00:56:32,155 Hello. 1290 00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:34,457 We're looking a little "pale" today, aren't we? 1291 00:56:34,524 --> 00:56:36,092 And who have we here? I don't know. 1292 00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,262 Moonlighting was a really experimental show. 1293 00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:41,164 They had a Shakespeare episode. 1294 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:43,133 They had a black and white episode. 1295 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,001 They did a musical episode. 1296 00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:46,870 They tried a lot of different stuff. 1297 00:56:46,936 --> 00:56:50,273 I don't give a flying fig about the lines in my face, 1298 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,710 the crow's feet by my eyes, or the altitude of my caboose. 1299 00:56:53,777 --> 00:56:56,713 Well, I'm at a loss. 1300 00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:58,681 I don't know what a flying fig is. 1301 00:56:58,748 --> 00:57:01,818 That's okay, they do. 1302 00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,889 There's no trouble on the set. There is no trouble on the set. 1303 00:57:05,955 --> 00:57:08,625 Well, we have a very volatile relationship. 1304 00:57:08,691 --> 00:57:10,927 There is a hate/love element to it. 1305 00:57:10,994 --> 00:57:12,495 Easy come, easy go! Ha! 1306 00:57:12,562 --> 00:57:13,530 The flirtations were great, 1307 00:57:13,596 --> 00:57:15,265 and Bruce and cybill were great. 1308 00:57:15,331 --> 00:57:17,801 Glenn caron kept them apart for a long time. 1309 00:57:17,867 --> 00:57:20,003 And bravo to him. 1310 00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:23,506 What they did was they took the Sam and Diane dynamic 1311 00:57:23,573 --> 00:57:25,775 from "cheers" and escalated it. 1312 00:57:25,842 --> 00:57:27,677 "Cheers" was, "will they or won't they?" 1313 00:57:27,744 --> 00:57:30,613 "Moonlighting" was, "do they even want to?" 1314 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,215 Stay away from me. 1315 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:33,750 Here I come. 1316 00:57:33,817 --> 00:57:36,252 But I don't want you. I never wanted you. 1317 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:37,353 Yeah, right. 1318 00:57:37,821 --> 00:57:41,224 Does entertaining mean at some point stopping the tease 1319 00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:42,325 of Dave and maddie? 1320 00:57:42,392 --> 00:57:43,726 I mean, do they get together at some point? 1321 00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:46,029 I hope so. Well, that, that's gonna be resolved this year. 1322 00:57:46,095 --> 00:57:48,264 We like to think of it as two and a half years of foreplay. 1323 00:57:48,865 --> 00:57:50,133 People who had been watching 1324 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,836 "moonlighting" for years were waiting for this moment. 1325 00:57:52,902 --> 00:57:54,537 And your emotions are already there, 1326 00:57:54,604 --> 00:57:57,307 built onto the emotions that you're seeing on the screen. 1327 00:57:57,373 --> 00:58:00,009 So when "be my baby" by the ronettes starts playing, 1328 00:58:00,076 --> 00:58:02,078 it's like a perfect storm of romance. 1329 00:58:22,265 --> 00:58:25,134 In recent years, it seems that television has become 1330 00:58:25,201 --> 00:58:27,403 a kind of an electronic confessional 1331 00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:29,906 where guests are willing to expose painful 1332 00:58:29,973 --> 00:58:32,575 and sometimes embarrassing aspects of their lives 1333 00:58:32,642 --> 00:58:34,944 quite readily to millions of viewers. 1334 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:36,913 At the beginning of the decade, 1335 00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:39,449 we get the dominance of Phil donahue. 1336 00:58:39,515 --> 00:58:42,986 And that's sort of a maturation of women's issues. 1337 00:58:43,052 --> 00:58:45,688 And he seemed to talk to them, in the audience, 1338 00:58:45,755 --> 00:58:47,991 he seemed to talk to them through the TV screen. 1339 00:58:48,057 --> 00:58:50,326 I'm glad you called. Kiss the kids. 1340 00:58:51,561 --> 00:58:52,929 We'll be back in just a moment. 1341 00:58:52,996 --> 00:58:56,132 If you look at the body of work we've had, 1342 00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,135 you know, you're gonna see the '80s there. 1343 00:58:59,202 --> 00:59:00,837 I'm not here to say you're wrong, 1344 00:59:00,904 --> 00:59:02,605 but let's understand this. 1345 00:59:02,672 --> 00:59:05,341 When you bring a moral judgment without knowing them, 1346 00:59:05,408 --> 00:59:08,211 against them for the way that they look 1347 00:59:08,278 --> 00:59:13,082 they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, 1348 00:59:13,149 --> 00:59:14,951 if that's what you want to call it. 1349 00:59:15,018 --> 00:59:17,587 He really believed that daytime television 1350 00:59:17,654 --> 00:59:22,525 needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, 1351 00:59:22,592 --> 00:59:24,627 the issues we were concerned about. 1352 00:59:24,694 --> 00:59:27,230 I don't want to characterize his question, 1353 00:59:27,297 --> 00:59:28,765 but why don't you get this fixed 1354 00:59:28,831 --> 00:59:30,633 instead of doing this screwy stuff? 1355 00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:32,502 There's not a single recorded case 1356 00:59:32,568 --> 00:59:35,872 in history of any transsexual, that ever, 1357 00:59:35,939 --> 00:59:37,440 through psychological treatment, changed. 1358 00:59:37,507 --> 00:59:39,208 It has never happened yet. 1359 00:59:39,275 --> 00:59:42,512 We were putting very important people on the program. 1360 00:59:42,578 --> 00:59:44,247 All kinds of people. 1361 00:59:44,314 --> 00:59:46,582 Gay people. People going to jail. 1362 00:59:46,649 --> 00:59:48,518 People running for office, you know? 1363 00:59:48,584 --> 00:59:50,186 Sometimes the same people. 1364 00:59:50,253 --> 00:59:53,056 It was a magic carpet ride. 1365 00:59:53,122 --> 00:59:55,692 You really do paint a very, very grim, picture 1366 00:59:55,758 --> 00:59:59,395 of the sitting president of the United States. 1367 00:59:59,462 --> 01:00:01,331 Let me just say this - I think he's probably 1368 01:00:01,397 --> 01:00:03,433 the laziest president that I've ever seen. 1369 01:00:03,499 --> 01:00:07,170 The audience for Phil donahue built and built and built 1370 01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:12,008 and built and led the way to "Oprah." 1371 01:00:18,581 --> 01:00:20,516 Whoo! 1372 01:00:20,583 --> 01:00:23,619 Hello, everybody. Hello! 1373 01:00:23,686 --> 01:00:28,057 Oprah has a particularly magical combination 1374 01:00:28,124 --> 01:00:31,427 of her own background, her own experience, 1375 01:00:31,494 --> 01:00:36,599 her own incisive mind, and empathetic spirit. 1376 01:00:36,666 --> 01:00:39,235 Thank you. I'm Oprah Winfrey 1377 01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:42,472 and welcome to the very first national "Oprah Winfrey show"! 1378 01:00:44,073 --> 01:00:45,842 I was surprised at the rocket pace 1379 01:00:45,908 --> 01:00:49,178 that "Oprah" took off because it took us a lot longer. 1380 01:00:49,245 --> 01:00:51,848 The donahue show rearranged the furniture, 1381 01:00:51,914 --> 01:00:54,684 but Oprah remodeled the whole house. 1382 01:00:54,751 --> 01:00:56,853 There are a lot of other people who are watching 1383 01:00:56,919 --> 01:00:59,722 who really don't understand what you mean when you say, 1384 01:00:59,789 --> 01:01:01,157 well, you know, we're in love. 1385 01:01:01,224 --> 01:01:03,192 Because I remember questioning my gay friends saying, you mean, 1386 01:01:03,259 --> 01:01:05,928 like, you feel about him the way I feel about... 1387 01:01:05,995 --> 01:01:08,831 It's kind of a strange concept, 1388 01:01:08,898 --> 01:01:10,767 you know, for a lot of people to accept. 1389 01:01:10,833 --> 01:01:13,436 Oprah was connecting with people in a way 1390 01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:15,505 that no one had on TV before. 1391 01:01:15,571 --> 01:01:18,341 And it was really special to see. 1392 01:01:18,408 --> 01:01:20,209 Well, did you know that for the longest time, 1393 01:01:20,276 --> 01:01:22,078 I wanted to be a fourth grade teacher because of you? 1394 01:01:22,145 --> 01:01:26,416 My, I was not aware of inspiring anyone. 1395 01:01:26,482 --> 01:01:28,985 I think you did exactly what teachers are supposed to do. 1396 01:01:29,052 --> 01:01:30,920 They create a spark for learning. 1397 01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:33,156 That's the reason I have a talk show today. 1398 01:01:33,222 --> 01:01:36,526 Oprah Winfrey now dominates the talk show circuit 1399 01:01:36,592 --> 01:01:38,995 both in the ratings and popularity. 1400 01:01:39,062 --> 01:01:43,433 I want to use my life as a source of lifting people up. 1401 01:01:43,499 --> 01:01:44,534 That's what I want to do. 1402 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,302 That's what I do every day on my show. 1403 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,671 You know, we get accused of being tabloid television 1404 01:01:48,738 --> 01:01:50,039 and sensational and so forth, 1405 01:01:50,106 --> 01:01:52,241 but what I really think we do more than anything else 1406 01:01:52,308 --> 01:01:55,378 is we serve as a voice to a lot of people 1407 01:01:55,445 --> 01:01:58,414 who felt up until perhaps my show or some of the others, 1408 01:01:58,481 --> 01:01:59,615 that they were alone. 1409 01:01:59,682 --> 01:02:03,119 This is what 67 pounds of fat looks like. 1410 01:02:03,986 --> 01:02:05,955 I can't, I can't lift it. 1411 01:02:06,022 --> 01:02:07,757 It is amazing to me that I can't lift it, 1412 01:02:07,824 --> 01:02:10,126 but I used to carry it around every day. 1413 01:02:10,193 --> 01:02:13,529 There's nothing more endearing to an audience 1414 01:02:13,596 --> 01:02:18,267 than to have that kind of honest and humility and courage 1415 01:02:18,334 --> 01:02:19,735 on the part of a host. 1416 01:02:19,802 --> 01:02:23,172 And that, I think, has a lot to do with her power. 1417 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:24,974 It feels like I can do some good here. 1418 01:02:25,041 --> 01:02:28,478 And I really do think that the show does a lot of good. 1419 01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:34,750 American television is drowning in talk shows. 1420 01:02:34,817 --> 01:02:37,820 But it's never seen anything like Morton downy, Jr. 1421 01:02:37,887 --> 01:02:39,088 I want to tell you this story - 1422 01:02:39,155 --> 01:02:40,590 sit down and shut up! 1423 01:02:40,656 --> 01:02:42,024 Other competitors come 1424 01:02:42,091 --> 01:02:43,826 and take the television talk show 1425 01:02:43,893 --> 01:02:45,495 into two different directions. 1426 01:02:45,561 --> 01:02:46,696 So you start seeing the phenomenon 1427 01:02:46,762 --> 01:02:48,564 of daytime television shows 1428 01:02:48,631 --> 01:02:50,900 becoming less tame and more wild. 1429 01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:56,405 The '80s brought a lot of belligerence to television. 1430 01:02:56,472 --> 01:02:58,407 Whether it was Morton downey, Jr. 1431 01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,643 Being the offensive, 1432 01:03:00,710 --> 01:03:03,913 caricatureish person that he was, 1433 01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:05,381 or Geraldo. 1434 01:03:05,448 --> 01:03:07,717 He did his own outlandish things. 1435 01:03:07,783 --> 01:03:09,652 Stay with us ladies and gentlemen. 1436 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,655 We're gonna get into the mind of another all American boy 1437 01:03:12,722 --> 01:03:14,490 who came under the influence of satanism 1438 01:03:14,557 --> 01:03:17,293 and took part in a crime without passion or motive. 1439 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,828 Geraldo Rivera takes the power 1440 01:03:18,895 --> 01:03:20,630 of the talk show to a whole other level, 1441 01:03:20,696 --> 01:03:23,232 trying to put people on stage who hate each other, 1442 01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:24,600 who are gonna fight. 1443 01:03:24,667 --> 01:03:26,636 In the case of the temple of set and the church of Satan, 1444 01:03:26,702 --> 01:03:29,405 we have not had any problems with criminal behavior. 1445 01:03:29,472 --> 01:03:33,809 Yet when you hear story after story after story of people 1446 01:03:33,876 --> 01:03:35,578 committing these wretched crimes, 1447 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:37,780 these violent crimes in the devil's name? 1448 01:03:37,847 --> 01:03:40,449 The more tension there is, the more conflict there is, 1449 01:03:40,516 --> 01:03:42,919 the more violence there is, the more the ratings go up. 1450 01:03:42,985 --> 01:03:44,887 And the American people love to complain about it, 1451 01:03:44,954 --> 01:03:46,322 but they also love to watch. 1452 01:03:46,389 --> 01:03:49,425 Geraldo Rivera is back in a controversy tonight. 1453 01:03:49,492 --> 01:03:50,793 Rivera drew sharp criticism 1454 01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:53,396 with his recent television special on devil worship. 1455 01:03:53,462 --> 01:03:56,332 But today he found himself in a real free for all. 1456 01:03:56,399 --> 01:03:59,335 I get sick and tired of seeing uncle Tom here, sucking up, 1457 01:03:59,402 --> 01:04:00,636 trying to be a white man. 1458 01:04:00,703 --> 01:04:02,572 Go ahead, Troy, go ahead. Now, let me tell you - 1459 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:04,707 sit down, man. 1460 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:04,707 Hey! 1461 01:04:04,774 --> 01:04:05,775 Come on. No. 1462 01:04:05,841 --> 01:04:07,176 You got it coming. You got it coming. 1463 01:04:07,243 --> 01:04:08,544 Dude... 1464 01:04:07,243 --> 01:04:08,544 Get up and get it. 1465 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:09,612 Nah. 1466 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:09,612 Hey, hold it! 1467 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:09,612 Nah. 1468 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:09,612 Hey, hold it! 1469 01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:10,680 Hold it! 1470 01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:10,680 Sit down! 1471 01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:18,955 Rivera suffered a broken nose 1472 01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:20,456 but he says the show will be broadcast 1473 01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:23,492 later this month in its entirety. 1474 01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:27,363 Well, that's not something, you know, I would have done. 1475 01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:30,466 But there was a lot of hypocrisy. 1476 01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:33,636 One of the major magazines put the picture of Geraldo 1477 01:04:33,703 --> 01:04:35,705 getting hit with a chair on the cover. 1478 01:04:35,771 --> 01:04:37,373 And the article said, "isn't this awful? 1479 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,708 Look what's happened to television." 1480 01:04:38,774 --> 01:04:40,376 And yet they couldn't wait to use it 1481 01:04:40,443 --> 01:04:41,877 to sell their own magazine. 1482 01:04:41,944 --> 01:04:44,013 Let's go to the audience, all right. 1483 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,048 I want to speak to you guys. You guys are... 1484 01:04:46,115 --> 01:04:48,150 Over the years, broadcasting has deteriorated. 1485 01:04:48,217 --> 01:04:49,919 And now in this era of deregulation, 1486 01:04:49,986 --> 01:04:51,287 it's deteriorating further. 1487 01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:55,324 Give people light, and they will find their own way. Relax. 1488 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:57,727 America will survive the talk shows. 1489 01:05:12,675 --> 01:05:14,677 A big thing that changes in the '80s 1490 01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:16,679 is the number of hours spent watching television. 1491 01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:18,180 Goes up. 1492 01:05:18,247 --> 01:05:19,882 The number of hours spent 1493 01:05:19,949 --> 01:05:21,651 talking about television goes up. 1494 01:05:21,717 --> 01:05:23,219 One of the symbols of this phenomenon 1495 01:05:23,286 --> 01:05:25,087 is "entertainment tonight." 1496 01:05:25,154 --> 01:05:29,191 Hi, I'm Tom hallick and welcome to our opening night, 1497 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:32,128 the premiere edition of "entertainment tonight." 1498 01:05:32,194 --> 01:05:35,231 All of the critics were kind of unanimous 1499 01:05:35,298 --> 01:05:36,832 in that they said, 1500 01:05:36,899 --> 01:05:38,134 "it'll never last 1501 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,936 because there simply isn't enough entertainment news 1502 01:05:41,003 --> 01:05:42,305 to fill a halfhour every night. 1503 01:05:42,371 --> 01:05:45,107 "Entertainment tonight" has surveyed TV critics 1504 01:05:45,174 --> 01:05:47,009 in the United States and Canada 1505 01:05:47,076 --> 01:05:50,012 to find out which television shows had the most impact 1506 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:51,647 on viewers over the years. 1507 01:05:51,714 --> 01:05:55,384 Now, up until this time, nobody had done television like this. 1508 01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:56,819 Nobody. 1509 01:05:56,886 --> 01:05:59,922 Burt Reynolds, the hottest actor in Hollywood. 1510 01:05:59,989 --> 01:06:00,756 I'm surprised to see you here. 1511 01:06:00,823 --> 01:06:01,490 Well, I'm glad to see you. 1512 01:06:01,557 --> 01:06:02,591 Well, thank you. 1513 01:06:02,658 --> 01:06:03,793 We can meet here every night if you'd like. 1514 01:06:03,859 --> 01:06:04,660 Thank you. I'd love it. 1515 01:06:05,628 --> 01:06:06,796 A lot of what makes 1516 01:06:06,862 --> 01:06:08,597 successful television programming 1517 01:06:08,664 --> 01:06:12,068 is being in the right place at the right time. 1518 01:06:12,134 --> 01:06:13,602 And it was the right time. 1519 01:06:13,669 --> 01:06:16,439 Entertainment journalism evolved 1520 01:06:16,505 --> 01:06:19,942 as the audience got more curious and had more access. 1521 01:06:20,009 --> 01:06:21,143 Until that point, 1522 01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:23,112 the entertainment business had been something 1523 01:06:23,179 --> 01:06:25,381 that we didn't know all that much about. 1524 01:06:25,448 --> 01:06:28,317 We could go behind the scenes in our effort 1525 01:06:28,384 --> 01:06:31,320 to really give an insider's look. 1526 01:06:31,387 --> 01:06:34,357 The crafty old j.R. Of "Dallas" fame was with his mother, 1527 01:06:34,423 --> 01:06:37,259 actress Mary Martin as he was presented with a star 1528 01:06:37,326 --> 01:06:38,694 on the Hollywood walk of fame. 1529 01:06:38,761 --> 01:06:41,997 It was very honorific of the industry. 1530 01:06:42,064 --> 01:06:43,999 They would do serious coverage of it. 1531 01:06:44,066 --> 01:06:46,035 It wasn't salacious and you would see actors 1532 01:06:46,102 --> 01:06:49,672 speaking as actors instead of on a Johnny Carson show. 1533 01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,407 What are you like off camera? 1534 01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:53,209 I'm like this. Oh, this is on camera. 1535 01:06:53,275 --> 01:06:54,610 This is on camera. 1536 01:06:54,677 --> 01:06:58,314 It was the beginning of a lot of money being made 1537 01:06:58,381 --> 01:07:01,617 talking about entertainment and celebrities. 1538 01:07:01,684 --> 01:07:03,719 Robert redford plays the good guy in the movies, 1539 01:07:03,786 --> 01:07:05,654 but don't tell that to his neighbors in Utah. 1540 01:07:05,721 --> 01:07:06,756 They are still bitter 1541 01:07:06,822 --> 01:07:08,791 and redford is the target of their ire. 1542 01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:11,060 The audience grew and grew. 1543 01:07:11,127 --> 01:07:12,795 And that was showing us that the appetite 1544 01:07:12,862 --> 01:07:16,499 for celebrity news was big. It was big. 1545 01:07:16,565 --> 01:07:19,635 Get ready for "lifestyles of the rich and famous," 1546 01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:23,339 television's most dazzling hour of excitement! 1547 01:07:23,406 --> 01:07:25,608 Hi, I'm Robin leach in Monaco, 1548 01:07:25,674 --> 01:07:28,043 the glittering gem of the riviera. 1549 01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:33,249 And you've got a vip ticket to prince rainier's private party. 1550 01:07:33,315 --> 01:07:35,951 Your Sunday newspaper is still delivered 1551 01:07:36,018 --> 01:07:38,187 with the comics around the news. 1552 01:07:38,254 --> 01:07:41,424 And that was what I always thought "lifestyles" was. 1553 01:07:41,490 --> 01:07:43,325 We were the comic around the news. 1554 01:07:43,392 --> 01:07:47,163 Except we did it as seriously as they did news. 1555 01:07:47,229 --> 01:07:49,865 Finally in the driving seat of his own career, 1556 01:07:49,932 --> 01:07:52,368 he burned rubber in a new direction. 1557 01:07:52,435 --> 01:07:54,603 David Hasselhoff - rock idol. 1558 01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:58,974 It was a time where pushing the limits with wealth 1559 01:07:59,041 --> 01:08:03,245 and ostentatiousness in a lot of cases was very comfortable. 1560 01:08:03,312 --> 01:08:05,915 One of the earliest stories that we presented to you 1561 01:08:05,981 --> 01:08:09,351 on "lifestyles" was about the amazing realestate wizard 1562 01:08:09,418 --> 01:08:10,719 Donald Trump. 1563 01:08:10,786 --> 01:08:12,755 If he didn't shock and surprise you back then, 1564 01:08:12,822 --> 01:08:15,357 he's had plenty of time since. 1565 01:08:15,424 --> 01:08:18,594 With all of this costing billions, not millions, 1566 01:08:18,661 --> 01:08:20,362 do the figures ever frighten you? 1567 01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:21,964 The answer is no. It's my business. 1568 01:08:22,031 --> 01:08:23,966 It's my life. It's my lifestyle. 1569 01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:26,569 I love it. The good, the bad. 1570 01:08:26,635 --> 01:08:29,805 Does this bring with it political aspirations? 1571 01:08:29,872 --> 01:08:31,841 No political aspiration. 1572 01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:35,110 Your show has gotten a lot of ridicule. 1573 01:08:35,177 --> 01:08:38,380 There are people who say it's nothing more than trash. 1574 01:08:38,447 --> 01:08:40,115 That doesn't upset me because I think 1575 01:08:40,182 --> 01:08:42,084 it's the best trash there is on television. 1576 01:08:42,151 --> 01:08:45,287 I am not in the business of brain surgery. 1577 01:08:45,354 --> 01:08:47,423 I am in the business of fluff. 1578 01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:49,191 It's the fantasy element 1579 01:08:49,258 --> 01:08:51,327 at a time when the access is possible. 1580 01:08:51,393 --> 01:08:54,163 It's escapism and it's aspirational. 1581 01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:56,398 You want to stand in a hot tub with a glass of champagne? 1582 01:08:56,465 --> 01:08:57,900 Rock on! 1583 01:08:57,967 --> 01:09:02,037 We'd never seen that kind of wealth ever before. 1584 01:09:02,104 --> 01:09:04,874 We didn't mock it, we didn't say it was right, 1585 01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:06,709 and we didn't say it was wrong. 1586 01:09:06,775 --> 01:09:09,845 We were just through the keyhole. 1587 01:09:09,912 --> 01:09:12,481 Sometimes, you know, it absolutely amazes me. 1588 01:09:12,548 --> 01:09:16,285 I walk away from a shoot and I think, "well, we did it again." 1589 01:09:16,352 --> 01:09:18,854 There was more of everything in TV by the '80s. 1590 01:09:18,921 --> 01:09:22,157 Your opportunities for watching stuff is increasingly vast. 1591 01:09:22,224 --> 01:09:25,261 Nbc presents "real people." 1592 01:09:25,327 --> 01:09:28,197 My name's Michael B. Wilson. 1593 01:09:28,264 --> 01:09:30,132 The thought dawned on me that the application 1594 01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:31,867 of a small motor on a pair of roller skates 1595 01:09:31,934 --> 01:09:33,702 might really be a great thing. 1596 01:09:33,769 --> 01:09:35,871 Somebody once said that each one of us 1597 01:09:35,938 --> 01:09:37,973 will be a star for 15 minutes. 1598 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,042 And I think that that's probably going to happen. 1599 01:09:40,109 --> 01:09:42,378 American culture used to be a culture that celebrated 1600 01:09:42,444 --> 01:09:45,414 privacy and in the 1980s as we're watching celebrities 1601 01:09:45,481 --> 01:09:49,552 sort of play out onstage, "hey, I want to join, too." 1602 01:09:49,618 --> 01:09:52,354 All the world becomes a stage and you start seeing shows 1603 01:09:52,421 --> 01:09:54,590 like "real people" or "the people's court." 1604 01:09:54,657 --> 01:09:55,824 The people's court - 1605 01:09:55,891 --> 01:09:59,595 where reality television is taken one step further. 1606 01:09:59,662 --> 01:10:03,032 To see more TV, producers had to come up with 1607 01:10:03,098 --> 01:10:06,468 new and different ways to give them television. 1608 01:10:06,535 --> 01:10:08,470 Don't be stupid. 1609 01:10:08,537 --> 01:10:10,472 Carl, get over here! 1610 01:10:12,374 --> 01:10:13,676 I told you not to be stupid! 1611 01:10:13,742 --> 01:10:16,345 What "cops" did was it took away the script 1612 01:10:16,412 --> 01:10:20,516 and just brought the camera people and the crews on location 1613 01:10:20,583 --> 01:10:23,152 to try and catch actual things happening. 1614 01:10:23,218 --> 01:10:24,486 Cocaine... 1615 01:10:24,553 --> 01:10:26,822 Possession of a stolen firearm no less. 1616 01:10:26,889 --> 01:10:28,691 What else are you gonna do? 1617 01:10:41,470 --> 01:10:43,572 With this ring... 1618 01:10:43,639 --> 01:10:44,673 With this ring... 1619 01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:45,474 I thee wed. 1620 01:10:45,541 --> 01:10:47,176 I thee wed. 1621 01:10:47,242 --> 01:10:48,611 With my body... 1622 01:10:48,677 --> 01:10:49,845 With my body... 1623 01:10:49,912 --> 01:10:50,846 I thee bond. 1624 01:10:50,913 --> 01:10:52,448 I thee bond. 1625 01:10:52,514 --> 01:10:55,317 The biggest television event of the 1980s 1626 01:10:55,384 --> 01:10:57,386 is the marriage of Charles and Diana. 1627 01:10:57,453 --> 01:10:59,822 It's like the world stopped when that happened. 1628 01:10:59,888 --> 01:11:02,091 I mean, that was, like, just massive. 1629 01:11:02,157 --> 01:11:04,393 This was the final act of a spectacle 1630 01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:07,997 that may never again be seen in this century, if ever. 1631 01:11:08,063 --> 01:11:09,932 The archbishop of canterbury called the wedding 1632 01:11:09,999 --> 01:11:12,334 of prince Charles and lady Diana Spencer today 1633 01:11:12,401 --> 01:11:13,902 the stuff of fairy tales. 1634 01:11:13,969 --> 01:11:16,338 Good evening. The royal couple at this hour 1635 01:11:16,405 --> 01:11:17,673 is off on the honeymoon, 1636 01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,075 while a lot of people here in London tonight 1637 01:11:20,142 --> 01:11:22,645 are still talking about the events of the day. 1638 01:11:22,711 --> 01:11:25,214 When you have great moments like the royal wedding, 1639 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,650 they're a part of history and it's done beautifully 1640 01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:30,219 and everybody has a chance to watch it all on television. 1641 01:11:30,285 --> 01:11:34,056 Everybody just wants to drink a toast to Chuck and di. 1642 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:37,159 A Princess who must now be aware as it was 1643 01:11:37,226 --> 01:11:40,396 on this day that every single move she makes in public 1644 01:11:40,462 --> 01:11:42,831 will be recorded and observed. 1645 01:11:42,898 --> 01:11:45,768 A very difficult life indeed. 1646 01:11:45,834 --> 01:11:48,337 We'll be back in just a moment with some closing observations 1647 01:11:48,404 --> 01:11:52,307 and one final look at what has justifiably been called 1648 01:11:52,374 --> 01:11:54,109 the wedding of the century. 1649 01:11:54,176 --> 01:11:57,112 By the authority of the state of New York, 1650 01:11:57,179 --> 01:12:00,916 I pronounce that they are husband and wife. 1651 01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:02,384 You may kiss the bride. 1652 01:12:05,054 --> 01:12:08,390 Your wedding was seen by an astonishing number of people - 1653 01:12:08,457 --> 01:12:10,159 16 and 19 million viewers. 1654 01:12:10,225 --> 01:12:11,460 How do you account for that kind of popularity? 1655 01:12:11,527 --> 01:12:13,562 Oh, I can't. I can't. 1656 01:12:13,629 --> 01:12:17,132 The way it's grown, it's just - it's amazing to me. 1657 01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:20,736 It did appear in the '80s that it was a good time 1658 01:12:20,803 --> 01:12:22,071 for daytime soap operas, 1659 01:12:22,137 --> 01:12:24,073 especially for a show like "general hospital," 1660 01:12:24,139 --> 01:12:26,942 which had that huge success with Luke and Laura's wedding. 1661 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,012 I remember when Luke and Laura got married 1662 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,915 because it was nighttime newsworthy. 1663 01:12:32,981 --> 01:12:37,286 The soap opera discovers the blockbuster mentality, 1664 01:12:37,352 --> 01:12:39,088 the sweeps month mentality. 1665 01:12:39,154 --> 01:12:42,491 Like, what can we do to get even more people watching. 1666 01:12:42,558 --> 01:12:44,927 You have a wedding. You have a kidnapping. 1667 01:12:44,993 --> 01:12:46,495 You have an evil twin. 1668 01:12:46,562 --> 01:12:49,064 And prime time stole from daytime. 1669 01:12:49,131 --> 01:12:51,967 After "Dallas" proved that ewing oil was better 1670 01:12:52,034 --> 01:12:53,902 than real oil for CBS, 1671 01:12:53,969 --> 01:12:56,071 the networks rushed to give the public more. 1672 01:12:56,138 --> 01:12:59,208 The great primetime soap operas of the 1980s. 1673 01:12:59,274 --> 01:13:02,745 "Dallas," "dynasty." They're all about excess. 1674 01:13:02,811 --> 01:13:04,780 This is about being over the top, 1675 01:13:04,847 --> 01:13:06,415 stabbing each other in the back, 1676 01:13:06,482 --> 01:13:09,384 going for the gusto, and having fun. 1677 01:13:09,451 --> 01:13:13,355 I know what's wrong with you. The empty armed Madonna. 1678 01:13:13,422 --> 01:13:15,891 Mourning the baby that she couldn't have 1679 01:13:15,958 --> 01:13:19,128 and the baby that she almost got to adopt. 1680 01:13:19,194 --> 01:13:20,596 That is it, isn't it? 1681 01:13:20,662 --> 01:13:24,032 Oh, you miserable bitch! 1682 01:13:28,670 --> 01:13:30,739 There was a bigness to the stories. 1683 01:13:30,806 --> 01:13:32,775 And that they could afford to do on a network, 1684 01:13:32,841 --> 01:13:34,109 if you're doing one episode a week. 1685 01:13:34,176 --> 01:13:35,611 Now you can't do that if you're doing five episodes 1686 01:13:35,677 --> 01:13:37,946 a week for a daytime show. 1687 01:13:38,013 --> 01:13:41,617 So just the production value gave it that pizzazz. 1688 01:13:41,683 --> 01:13:45,187 If you can't have it, watch other people with it. 1689 01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:47,790 Or so say the three networks who are programming 1690 01:13:47,856 --> 01:13:50,159 nearly 40% of their primetime fare 1691 01:13:50,225 --> 01:13:51,894 with series about the very rich. 1692 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,563 And the public is devouring it at such a rate 1693 01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:57,499 that make believe money has become ratings gold. 1694 01:13:58,967 --> 01:14:00,903 The characters were larger than life. 1695 01:14:00,969 --> 01:14:04,840 They were more evil and more cunning and manipulative. 1696 01:14:04,907 --> 01:14:07,476 And more gorgeous. I mean, really. 1697 01:14:07,543 --> 01:14:09,645 Look at the way they were dressed. 1698 01:14:09,711 --> 01:14:12,848 Look at the way they lived. Everything, it was fascinating. 1699 01:14:12,915 --> 01:14:14,116 Alexis? Yes. 1700 01:14:14,183 --> 01:14:16,451 I didn't thank you for your present. 1701 01:14:23,525 --> 01:14:27,095 It's he you should slap, dear, not I. 1702 01:14:27,162 --> 01:14:29,097 We all wanted to live like, you know, 1703 01:14:29,164 --> 01:14:31,266 we were on "dynasty," like the carringtons. 1704 01:14:31,333 --> 01:14:34,102 And it all just ended up being a wonderful picture 1705 01:14:34,169 --> 01:14:36,805 of fun and debauchery. 1706 01:14:36,872 --> 01:14:39,675 Greed was encouraged in the '80s. 1707 01:14:39,741 --> 01:14:44,046 There was a sense of conspicuous consumption as being okay. 1708 01:14:44,112 --> 01:14:45,714 And those shows kind of exploited that. 1709 01:14:45,781 --> 01:14:48,183 Primetime families like the carringtons 1710 01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:51,086 who live here in luxury on the "dynasty" sound stage 1711 01:14:51,153 --> 01:14:53,822 are not the only rich folk on TV. 1712 01:14:53,889 --> 01:14:55,257 In the last five years, 1713 01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:58,393 more than half of all new shows have featured the wealthy. 1714 01:14:58,460 --> 01:15:00,896 10 years ago, that figure was zero. 1715 01:15:00,963 --> 01:15:03,832 There was an accident. Your father's dead. 1716 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,302 Falcon crest was a wine family. 1717 01:15:07,369 --> 01:15:08,637 There's Lorenzo lamas 1718 01:15:08,704 --> 01:15:10,973 and there's Ronald Reagan's first wife, 1719 01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:13,475 Jane Wyman is on that show. 1720 01:15:13,542 --> 01:15:15,110 Emma is pregnant. 1721 01:15:16,845 --> 01:15:18,347 I know a doctor who can take care of it right away. 1722 01:15:18,413 --> 01:15:20,549 That will never happen. 1723 01:15:20,616 --> 01:15:23,986 All of those shows were, "oh, my god, what's next? 1724 01:15:24,052 --> 01:15:26,755 What's gonna happen with that? He can't get away with that." 1725 01:15:26,822 --> 01:15:28,590 And then you tune in. It was appointment television. 1726 01:15:28,657 --> 01:15:30,792 What will become of the missing twins 1727 01:15:30,859 --> 01:15:32,060 on knots landing? 1728 01:15:32,127 --> 01:15:33,028 What? 1729 01:15:33,095 --> 01:15:34,930 They all had spinoffs. 1730 01:15:34,997 --> 01:15:36,865 "Dallas" had the spinoff "knots landing." 1731 01:15:36,932 --> 01:15:39,768 "The Colbys" was the spinoff for "dynasty." 1732 01:15:39,835 --> 01:15:42,204 They were seeing how much they could Max this stuff out. 1733 01:15:42,271 --> 01:15:43,438 'Cause it was really successful. 1734 01:15:43,505 --> 01:15:45,507 Where's your son miles? 1735 01:15:45,574 --> 01:15:47,342 Isn't he going to be a part of this venture, 1736 01:15:47,409 --> 01:15:50,012 or is he just playing Polo as usual? 1737 01:15:51,413 --> 01:15:53,215 The Colbys can always find room for another trophy. 1738 01:15:54,716 --> 01:15:57,252 You had these people fighting over oil 1739 01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:01,723 and mansions and it was fantasy, 1740 01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:06,061 but in a kind of so over the top way 1741 01:16:06,128 --> 01:16:07,829 that it was fun. 1742 01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:11,633 There's nothing devious about using your femininity. 1743 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,902 These shows took themselves 1744 01:16:13,969 --> 01:16:17,205 so unseriously that they were camp. 1745 01:16:17,272 --> 01:16:19,841 But that was okay with the central audience 1746 01:16:19,908 --> 01:16:21,143 that was loving them. 1747 01:16:21,209 --> 01:16:22,210 It was entertainment. 1748 01:16:22,277 --> 01:16:23,946 We weren't trying to do high drama. 1749 01:16:24,012 --> 01:16:25,847 We were there to entertain. We were glossy. 1750 01:16:25,914 --> 01:16:27,549 There was no getting around it. 1751 01:16:27,616 --> 01:16:29,685 We knew what we were there for and we did it as best we could. 1752 01:16:38,860 --> 01:16:41,196 Australia's most important export 1753 01:16:41,263 --> 01:16:44,466 may be neither its animals nor its beer nor its films. 1754 01:16:44,533 --> 01:16:46,368 Could in fact be one Rupert Murdoch. 1755 01:16:46,435 --> 01:16:49,104 55 year old Mr. Murdoch is in the midst of building 1756 01:16:49,171 --> 01:16:52,541 what Forbes magazine says is the most extensive media empire 1757 01:16:52,607 --> 01:16:53,875 in history. 1758 01:16:53,942 --> 01:16:55,811 A huge development in television. 1759 01:16:55,877 --> 01:16:58,046 The gemini of the three broadcast networks 1760 01:16:58,113 --> 01:17:00,115 was presumed to be complete and Rupert Murdoch 1761 01:17:00,182 --> 01:17:02,851 having disrupted the newspaper business in Australia, 1762 01:17:02,918 --> 01:17:04,252 the television business in britain. 1763 01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:05,654 He arrives in america and basically says, 1764 01:17:05,721 --> 01:17:06,888 I don't really see why there should only be 1765 01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:07,689 three broadcast networks. 1766 01:17:07,756 --> 01:17:08,690 I'm gonna make another one. 1767 01:17:08,757 --> 01:17:10,959 This was a big, bold bet. 1768 01:17:11,026 --> 01:17:12,728 Meantime, he will have to become 1769 01:17:12,794 --> 01:17:16,131 an American citizen if he is to own TV stations here. 1770 01:17:16,198 --> 01:17:18,700 Something Murdoch says he is willing to do. 1771 01:17:18,767 --> 01:17:20,435 There are some people who are saying 1772 01:17:20,502 --> 01:17:24,373 that it'll take you 20 years to get your fox network 1773 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,974 on a par with the big three. 1774 01:17:26,041 --> 01:17:27,542 Are you prepared to wait that long? 1775 01:17:27,609 --> 01:17:29,678 Sure, I certainly intend to live that long. 1776 01:17:29,745 --> 01:17:31,913 But I don't believe in the 20 years. 1777 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:34,249 The reaction to Murdoch's idea 1778 01:17:34,316 --> 01:17:37,319 for a fourth network was similar to the reaction at Ted Turner 1779 01:17:37,386 --> 01:17:39,454 starting CNN. It's ridiculous, you know. 1780 01:17:39,521 --> 01:17:41,857 What does he know about television? 1781 01:17:41,923 --> 01:17:44,426 We don't think of ourselves as abc, CBS or nbc. 1782 01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:45,694 We don't have to reach everyone. 1783 01:17:45,761 --> 01:17:48,096 There's no question we have an inferior lineup 1784 01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:49,664 of stations to our counterparts. 1785 01:17:49,731 --> 01:17:51,066 That means we'll all have to work harder 1786 01:17:51,133 --> 01:17:53,368 to get ourour message across and get shows sampled. 1787 01:17:53,435 --> 01:17:57,139 They had an idea that, "in order to succeed 1788 01:17:57,205 --> 01:17:59,307 we have to differentiate ourselves from the networks. 1789 01:17:59,374 --> 01:18:01,576 We have to do things they would not do." 1790 01:18:01,643 --> 01:18:04,079 Fox started throwing anything against the wall, 1791 01:18:04,146 --> 01:18:05,547 not knowing what was gonna go. 1792 01:18:05,614 --> 01:18:09,117 First shows were things like "21 jump street"... 1793 01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:11,553 What exactly are we looking for here? 1794 01:18:11,620 --> 01:18:13,055 ...Joan rivers in terms of late night... 1795 01:18:13,121 --> 01:18:15,891 We have been banned in Boston, which I think is wonderful. 1796 01:18:15,957 --> 01:18:19,694 Wxne, so pick a finger wxne. 1797 01:18:19,761 --> 01:18:21,530 ...And "the Tracey ullman show." 1798 01:18:21,596 --> 01:18:24,633 Oh, Polly! 1799 01:18:24,699 --> 01:18:27,002 It was a sketch show 1800 01:18:27,069 --> 01:18:32,007 and they needed something to go between the sketches. 1801 01:18:32,074 --> 01:18:33,742 And again, they were looking for something different. 1802 01:18:33,809 --> 01:18:35,744 I gotta have those candy bars. 1803 01:18:35,811 --> 01:18:38,513 You better not be thinking of stealing those candy bars. 1804 01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:39,681 That's it! 1805 01:18:39,748 --> 01:18:43,485 "The Simpsons" would never have come along 1806 01:18:43,552 --> 01:18:46,421 had it not been for "the Tracey Ullman show." 1807 01:18:46,488 --> 01:18:49,357 Ultimately, crime hurts the criminal. 1808 01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:52,627 But that's not true mom. I gotta free ride home didn't I? 1809 01:18:52,694 --> 01:18:53,462 Bart! 1810 01:18:53,528 --> 01:18:55,464 Fox was thrilled 1811 01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:57,299 that it was different. 1812 01:18:57,365 --> 01:18:58,900 They said, sure, be experimental. 1813 01:18:58,967 --> 01:19:00,001 Do whatever you want. 1814 01:19:00,068 --> 01:19:01,903 We're just happy to have a show on the air. 1815 01:19:04,473 --> 01:19:05,941 I'm home! 1816 01:19:06,007 --> 01:19:06,875 "Married with children" 1817 01:19:06,942 --> 01:19:09,044 was their first big, big hit 1818 01:19:09,111 --> 01:19:11,980 in that way that said if all the rest of television 1819 01:19:12,047 --> 01:19:14,816 is going this way, we're going that way. 1820 01:19:14,883 --> 01:19:18,120 Bud, Kelly, you want to come down and help me in the kitchen? 1821 01:19:22,257 --> 01:19:25,961 There, that should buy us about 10 minutes. 1822 01:19:26,027 --> 01:19:29,664 7 more than we'll need. 1823 01:19:29,731 --> 01:19:31,700 The title of "married with children" 1824 01:19:31,766 --> 01:19:33,935 on the script was "not the cosby show." 1825 01:19:34,002 --> 01:19:36,538 How great. I mean, you know, you have to love that. 1826 01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,407 They just were taking the piss out of American families. 1827 01:19:39,474 --> 01:19:40,842 Fun, great fun. 1828 01:19:40,909 --> 01:19:42,244 Hurry up bud. 1829 01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:43,478 Never wanted to get married, I'm married. 1830 01:19:43,545 --> 01:19:44,813 Never wanted to have kids, I got two of them. 1831 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,715 How the hell did this happen? 1832 01:19:46,781 --> 01:19:49,718 The bundys were almost like a purposeful reaction 1833 01:19:49,784 --> 01:19:52,020 to the perfection of the huxtables. 1834 01:19:52,087 --> 01:19:53,221 And it was funny because, you know, 1835 01:19:53,288 --> 01:19:55,557 you had this wonderful, perfect black family 1836 01:19:55,624 --> 01:19:57,559 and these horrible, miserable white people. 1837 01:19:57,626 --> 01:19:59,194 And each show worked on its own terms 1838 01:19:59,261 --> 01:20:01,696 because you could find things to relate to in both. 1839 01:20:01,763 --> 01:20:03,064 Howdy neighbor. 1840 01:20:03,131 --> 01:20:04,065 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1841 01:20:04,132 --> 01:20:05,567 I hate these people. 1842 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,035 Why don't we sit down? 1843 01:20:07,102 --> 01:20:10,138 There was a lot of fun to be had in, you know, al and peg Bundy. 1844 01:20:10,205 --> 01:20:13,742 After fox introduces "married with children," 1845 01:20:13,808 --> 01:20:16,745 it does very, very well, then back on abc, 1846 01:20:16,811 --> 01:20:19,881 they came up with another major hit, "Roseanne." 1847 01:20:19,948 --> 01:20:21,550 You think this is a magic kingdom 1848 01:20:21,616 --> 01:20:23,552 where you just sit up here on your throne. 1849 01:20:23,618 --> 01:20:24,619 Oh yeah? 1850 01:20:24,686 --> 01:20:26,021 Yeah! And you think everything gets done 1851 01:20:26,087 --> 01:20:27,489 by some wonderful wizard. 1852 01:20:27,556 --> 01:20:29,457 Oh, poof, the laundry's folded. 1853 01:20:29,524 --> 01:20:30,992 Poof, dinner's on the table. 1854 01:20:31,059 --> 01:20:33,461 You want me to fix dinner? I'll fix dinner. 1855 01:20:33,528 --> 01:20:34,763 I'm fixing dinner! 1856 01:20:34,829 --> 01:20:39,467 Oh, but, honey, you just fixed dinner three years ago. 1857 01:20:39,534 --> 01:20:41,303 Typical American families 1858 01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:43,672 weren't on television for the longest time. 1859 01:20:43,738 --> 01:20:46,041 The Donna Reed days, you know, the early days, 1860 01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:49,177 the "father knows best," hardly anybody really lived like that. 1861 01:20:49,244 --> 01:20:51,947 That was the way advertisers wanted you to live. 1862 01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:54,082 I know what just might make me feel better. 1863 01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:56,318 Me too, but I bet it's a different list 1864 01:20:56,384 --> 01:20:57,485 than what you got. 1865 01:20:57,552 --> 01:21:00,088 The ideal situation is if you can subvert 1866 01:21:00,155 --> 01:21:03,158 whatever common stuff is said about families 1867 01:21:03,225 --> 01:21:04,392 and about parenting. 1868 01:21:04,459 --> 01:21:06,528 What's in this, lead? 1869 01:21:06,595 --> 01:21:09,030 Oh, I got you kids new leg irons. 1870 01:21:10,131 --> 01:21:13,101 Her loudness and her unfilteredness 1871 01:21:13,168 --> 01:21:15,036 were key to why we liked her. 1872 01:21:15,103 --> 01:21:17,105 She was saying stuff about working class people, 1873 01:21:17,172 --> 01:21:19,374 she was saying stuff about men and women. 1874 01:21:19,441 --> 01:21:22,177 So it was about marriage and about raising kids 1875 01:21:22,244 --> 01:21:23,578 and about how hard it is. 1876 01:21:23,645 --> 01:21:26,381 Oh, great, I'm just gonna look like a freak, that's all. 1877 01:21:26,448 --> 01:21:27,215 What else is new? 1878 01:21:27,282 --> 01:21:28,850 Shut up! 1879 01:21:28,917 --> 01:21:31,920 This is why some animals eat their young. 1880 01:21:31,987 --> 01:21:36,491 TV in the '80s was a big decade for the evolution of comedy, 1881 01:21:36,558 --> 01:21:38,426 for the evolution of drama. 1882 01:21:38,493 --> 01:21:40,462 It just pushed everything forward. 1883 01:21:40,528 --> 01:21:42,097 Do you think perhaps this generation 1884 01:21:42,163 --> 01:21:44,666 are paying more attention to the dialogue, 1885 01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:47,335 to the relationships that they see on television 1886 01:21:47,402 --> 01:21:49,004 than in years previous? 1887 01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:52,173 Well, clearly the people that are watching our shows are. 1888 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,110 And "Thirtysomething" 1889 01:21:55,176 --> 01:21:57,979 and "Cheers" and "St. Elsewhere." 1890 01:21:58,046 --> 01:22:01,249 These are shows that are smartly written. 1891 01:22:01,316 --> 01:22:03,618 It's their words that define them. 1892 01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:06,288 And I think that's what people like. 1893 01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:07,956 What we're supposed to be here 1894 01:22:08,023 --> 01:22:09,858 is the one thing people can trust. 1895 01:22:09,924 --> 01:22:12,460 If you go out there like a bunch of night riders, 1896 01:22:12,527 --> 01:22:16,064 what the hell are you but just another vicious street gang? 1897 01:22:16,131 --> 01:22:19,000 That decade spawned an extraordinary number 1898 01:22:19,067 --> 01:22:24,239 of shows that really carved out a unique niche for themselves. 1899 01:22:24,306 --> 01:22:27,809 We began to turn television into an art form. 1900 01:22:27,876 --> 01:22:31,012 And for the first time, people were proud to say, 1901 01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:32,981 "I write for television." 1902 01:22:33,048 --> 01:22:36,751 Up until that point, television was second class. 1903 01:22:36,818 --> 01:22:39,487 In the '80s, it was something else entirely 1904 01:22:39,554 --> 01:22:42,257 and it was new and it was kind of interesting. 1905 01:22:42,324 --> 01:22:44,759 It's like everyone in the '80s 1906 01:22:44,826 --> 01:22:46,561 starts to want to tell their stories. 1907 01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:49,064 That's what really changes things. 1908 01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:52,100 The unexpected was more welcome in the '80s. 1909 01:22:52,167 --> 01:22:55,170 Predictability lost its cache. 1910 01:22:55,236 --> 01:22:59,541 Television has an impact on every era, every decade. 1911 01:22:59,607 --> 01:23:02,711 Television still shapes the thinking of america like 1912 01:23:02,777 --> 01:23:04,045 no other element in our country. 1913 01:23:04,112 --> 01:23:07,215 Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. 1914 01:23:07,282 --> 01:23:11,653 It gave rise to people pursuing artistic content 1915 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,690 in a way that I think has raised the bar in television production 1916 01:23:15,757 --> 01:23:17,092 exponentially. 1917 01:23:17,158 --> 01:23:19,227 I love you guys! 1918 01:23:19,294 --> 01:23:21,563 There's a shift in the '80s from just wanting 1919 01:23:21,629 --> 01:23:24,632 to placate the audience to wanting to please 1920 01:23:24,699 --> 01:23:26,134 and challenge the audience. 1921 01:23:26,201 --> 01:23:27,869 And that's the decade when it happened. 1922 01:23:27,936 --> 01:23:30,638 We had one hell of a run. Didn't we partner? 1923 01:23:30,705 --> 01:23:32,507 Yeah. We sure did, Sonny. 1924 01:23:32,574 --> 01:23:34,642 I'm gonna miss you man. 1925 01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:37,612 I'm gonna miss you, too, Sonny. 1926 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:41,883 Can I give you a ride to the airport? 1927 01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:42,984 Why not? 150096

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